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[chirping]
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[dramatic music]
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- [Marlin] Wonderful,
memorable moments,
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many of these I shared
with Jim Fowler.
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- [Jim] We've helped capture
hundreds of animals,
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but this one had to rank among
the most memorable of all.
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- [Tim] I remember
sitting in front of the TV
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we had in our house,
just inches away.
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Just totally mesmerised
watching Marlin Perkins
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"Mutual Omaha's Wild Kingdom".
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[leopard roaring]
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We had Jacques Cousteau,
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all these TV shows with all
this adventure and animals.
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- [TV Presenter]
When Sam finally leaped out
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after the fleeing buffalo,
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it took only a moment
for the situation...
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- And I would say to myself,
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"Man, I wanna go out,
and I wanna catch these animals.
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"I wanna be a person
that can handle animals
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"and get out there
and do this kind of stuff."
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I was trying to take
that adventure I saw on TV,
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and do it in real life.
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It was just--
it was very exciting.
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And from that point on,
I just thought to myself,
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you know,
"This is what I want to do."
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I loved it,
absolutely loved it.
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[laughter on TV]
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As I grew a little older
and got in my teenage years,
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they were actually bringing
the animals on TV shows
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in front of TV audiences
and everything else.
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I thought, "Man, this is cool."
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- [Johnny Carson]
A very sensitive animal.
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[audience laughs]
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He punched me
right in the mouth.
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- But then this other guy
shows up on the scene,
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and all of a sudden, boom,
Jim Fowler hand-off the baton,
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and this guy ran with it,
his name was Jack Hanna.
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- [David Letterman] Jack!
- He just exploded.
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- [Letterman]
Now, wait a minute.
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Let's make sure one set
of animals has cleared the area.
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- [Jack Hanna] Oh, shoot, no!
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- And became the number one
animal celebrity in the world.
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- [Jack]
They were born in Columbus Zoo.
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- Oh, they were born in the zoo?
- Yeah, this one belongs to us.
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- And what was so cool about it
was that he was from Ohio.
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He was from the Columbus Zoo,
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just down the road
from where I lived.
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- The Director Emeritus
of the Columbus Zoo...
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- It was attainable for me
to follow in his footsteps,
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because he was one of us.
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- Put your hand like this.
- No, I think we've seen enough.
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[audience laughs]
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- And I was just on the verge,
I was still young
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and I was helping
with other places,
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and other zoos
and everything else,
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and I'm thinking,
"Man, this is so cool.
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"Someday I wanna be
like Jack Hanna."
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That was my dream.
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I remember working
as a police officer,
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firefighter, paramedic
for the city of Oakwood
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here in Dayton, Ohio.
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In between calls
we'd watched TV.
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And I always wanted
to watch the animal shows.
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- [Steve Irwin]
Coming back real fast!
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- But the style was changing
so quickly.
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- Neck starts to puff up,
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that rapid tongue flicking,
it's getting upset.
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- They would tease
these animals unmercifully
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till they attacked
the TV cameras.
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And animals were
running everywhere,
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and they were harassed
and were being teased.
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- Look at the size
of him, Jimmy!
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- Jeff, you're scaring me.
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- This form of television
became so popular,
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every TV show, all of them
had their own animal guy.
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- Please welcome Dave Salmoni.
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Dave!
[audience cheers]
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- Please welcome Jarod Miller.
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[audience applause]
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- Nat Geo Wild big cat expert,
Boone, nice to see you.
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- Thank you for having me here.
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- [Tamron Hall]
What great work you do.
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- And things changed,
something happened.
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All of a sudden I get a call
from a local police department
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by somebody having
a tiger in their basement,
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or somebody over here having
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one of the most dangerous
creatures on the planet,
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a Gaboon viper.
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And that's when
I started realizing
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this is not fun
and games anymore.
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It was a big problem,
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and I was right
in the middle of it.
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- There are more captive tigers
in the US today
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than there are in the wild
throughout the world.
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- It turns out some states
make it easier
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to keep a tiger than a dog.
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We wondered how someone...
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- Nobody was ready
for this huge influx
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of these animals being bred
and sold out to the public.
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Well, with the reality TV
mind-set,
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the "monkey see, monkey do"
mind-set, it happened.
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I asked them, "Why did you
bring this tiger in your home?"
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"I watched a show
on Animal Planet."
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Bang, it's just that simple.
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- Well, and apparently
some of those animals
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are still on the loose.
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I know you're involved
in the search.
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We'll let you get back to it.
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Tim Harrison, thank you.
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- I was watching these two
worlds growing at the same time.
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You had the celebrity
conservationists,
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they come on TV,
and they've got their
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endangered species,
their ambassador animals.
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- [Jack] Rarest
endangered cats in the world.
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- And on the other hand,
you had the seedy underbelly.
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We had the backyard breeders.
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We had the roadside zoos.
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The absolute worst were
these exotic animal auctions.
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It was at these auctions,
I saw those two worlds collide,
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and it changed my life forever.
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[tense music]
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[gravel crunching]
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[engine humming]
- We're trying to figure out
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where all the animals
are coming from.
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So Tim says he's
going up to see
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the exotic animal auction,
and see what they're selling.
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I said, "Well, Tim,
if you're going,
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I'm gonna come
and be your backup."
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[auctioneer shouting]
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This is a very dangerous place,
these auctions,
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because within
the first 10 minutes
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we heard people talking about,
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"If anybody comes
in here with cameras,
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"they'll be on their way out
with a ball bat,
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or a 2x4, or not such
good shape as they came in."
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[people chattering]
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- You walk through
this big mass crowd of people
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and all of a sudden
you see carts filled
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with these cages, big cats,
bear cubs, primates.
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They all have numbers on them.
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[monkey screaming]
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[sniffing, whimpering]
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A regular person
can just buy themselves
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an endangered species,
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walk out of there without
any paperwork whatsoever.
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Just, here's my tiger cub,
and off I go.
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[auctioneer calling]
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- As a police officer,
firefighter, paramedic,
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I've seen a lot,
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and I've never seen anything
like this in my entire life.
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[monkey chattering]
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If there was a hell for animals,
this would be it.
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[animals squealing]
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[tense music]
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♪♪
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- When you look around,
it's a who's who
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of the most notorious,
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exotic animal exploiters
in the country.
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And all of a sudden
you see Sam Mazzola,
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or you see over here
a Terry Thompson.
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He was the one
who turned his animals loose
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on the city of Zanesville.
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And you look over here
and all of a sudden I see
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Cyndi Huntsman.
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- This gal races up to Tim,
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and it's Cyndi Huntsman
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who has a roadside zoo
outside of Columbus.
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- And she approaches me
and she goes,
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"What are you doing here?"
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And I looked
and kinda was shocked, I go,
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"What are you doing here?"
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- [Rus] She says,
"Well, I'm selling the animals
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that Jack Hanna had
on TV last month."
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- "And I'm gonna pick up
some other animals,
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"because he has
another late night show
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he's gonna be doing."
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- And I just about fell over.
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[auctioneer calling]
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- [Auctioneer] One female
cougar, two weeks old.
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- Could this be the same animals
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that I'm pulling out
of people's basements?
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[auctioneer shouting]
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[cubs squealing]
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- It can't get any more weird
than what I've just seen.
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So I walk outside,
and I look across the way
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and... it's Jarod Miller.
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- He's on Animal Planet,
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he's on all the late night
shows, morning shows.
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- Look at this guy, now...
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- [Tim] Here he is in person.
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And he knows no cameras
are allowed in there.
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- I decide I'm gonna follow him,
I'm gonna see what he's up to.
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- You know, he wasn't there
to shut down this auction,
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he wasn't there
to expose anything.
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He was there to handpick animals
that he wants to use.
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Here he is feeding
into the exotic pet trade.
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And that's when I woke up.
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My gears started working,
I started connecting the dots.
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And I realised,
this is not an anomaly.
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This is systemic,
they're all combined.
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- [Letterman] Imagine seeing
that crawling out from under...
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- Then I started
paying attention
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to the individuals
in the background.
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I started paying attention
to the person that came off
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and got the animal and walked
off the stage with it.
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I realised, I know that guy.
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He's a guy that has
all of his animals
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in an industrial park warehouse.
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And then I watch another show,
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and somebody come out,
I recognise that guy.
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He has a backyard menagerie.
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He is also a private breeder.
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What are they doing
with their ambassador animals?
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Where do they go?
What happens to them?
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- [Boone]
We've got Mr. Jake here.
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He's what we call
an ambassador animal.
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So we use him as an ambassador
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to showcase what
a great animal he is,
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how incredible
these animals are,
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and let people learn
about them a little more...
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- And as Jake grows up, what's
gonna be in store for him?
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- Um, Jake is at a zoo,
and he's obviously...
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- I have connections
to almost all the AZA zoos
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in the United States of America,
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and these ambassador cats
are not showing up there.
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- [Dave Salmoni]
You wanna grab him?
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Watch your clothes.
- [Fran] Where's his mama?
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- His mum's at a nice
little zoo somewhere.
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- Aww...
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- [Tim] As we look at all these
we have out here,
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we try to get a handful of them
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that we can actually get
some clean data on.
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- One of our things
we're working on here.
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This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.
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- [Tim] And we think
we can potentially find out
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what's happened to them
and where they ended up.
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- [Jack]
Species Survival Plan,
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we know exactly where
these things are at all times.
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- [Letterman] All right, okay.
Wow, this is remarkable...
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- [Carney Anne] We have
this connected network
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of individuals who are using
big cats for public contact,
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and then when they
become too big,
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too expensive to maintain,
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we see them end up
in the exotics market,
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or because of defects
in the laws,
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we lose track of them,
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because there's
no meaningful mechanism
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by which we can figure out
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where these cats are coming from
and where they're going.
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Think strategically,
and then err on the side
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of being over-inclusive.
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I'm Carney Anne Nasser,
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and I am the director
of the Animal Welfare Clinic
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at Michigan State University
College of Law.
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The agency will get back
to us and say...
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I supervise law students
in the practice of animal law.
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Under my supervision,
they tackle cases
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under regulatory law,
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litigation, policy,
you name it.
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Anything impacting
animal welfare
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where we can play a role
in advancing the interests
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of animals,
that's what we're here for.
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- You're gonna be
our ambassadors
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to try to find out
what happened.
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Working with Michigan State
University's law school,
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we're able to
put it together now,
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and give us some basis
of where to go.
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And I really do think
we're gonna to find out
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where some of these cats are.
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Tiger Wyatt, Tiger Jake.
Orange Tiger Jake.
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- And what I'd like to start out
with is have my law students,
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through a series of Freedom
of Information Act requests,
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see what we can dig up.
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And there would be records kept.
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We're gonna do a broad request
to find out
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everything that's out there
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to the US Department
of Agriculture,
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to US Fish
and Wildlife Service,
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and then to the relevant
state agencies
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to see what they've got.
- And challenging cases.
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- To the extent
we don't find information,
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I think that's very compelling
to say
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we don't even have a way
to find this information out.
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It just doesn't exist.
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But I'll get
my law students on it,
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and we'll see what we can do.
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- What I think
anybody would expect
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with any kind
of a tiger or big cat,
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I would think that
that would be tracked
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to a degree beyond
anything else, right?
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But there's probably
better tracking
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of a lot of domestic cats
than there are tigers.
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[tigers growling]
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What else has gone on like
in the last couple of years,
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since I was here?
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- We're gonna prepare
this ground here...
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- My name is Keith Gad,
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and my background
and training includes
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conducting investigations,
wildlife management,
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conservation studies,
and federal law enforcement.
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What's gonna make
this investigation so difficult
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is the sheer number
of big cats
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that are out in America.
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But you have to start somewhere.
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Cy has a couple of tigers,
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and so maybe he has an animal
that we're looking for.
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You know,
where are these animals now?
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And that's what we were hoping,
you may or may not recognise
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the names of a couple
of these animals.
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There was this three-month-old
female tiger named Millie
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that appeared
on "The Today Show"
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with Jarod Miller
and Boone Smith.
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- The folk that are using
the animals on television,
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I've called friends
since I first got started.
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- This guy looks familiar
with Jimmy Kimmel.
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- Do you not know who that is?
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- I don't for sure.
- I do.
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- We have an idea.
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Who is it?
- Um...
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The folk that are breeding
and providing the animals,
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these are all people
that I know,
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and that I've
done business with.
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We all work together.
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- Then Millie,
three months old in 2015.
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- Right off the top of my head,
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but, um, who's that
in the background?
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If somebody were
to take interest
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in trying to track down
an animal
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that they saw as a baby
on a late night show...
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I mean, God only knows
where that cat originated from.
331
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...I wouldn't bet
more than a nickel
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that if they had 100,
that they'd be able to find
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one of them.
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I wouldn't even be interested
in really engaging
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in a genuine conversation
about the possibility
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of actually being successful
in tracking down
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any of them,
let alone one.
338
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- Just one of them
that we're interested in seeing.
339
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- Yeah.
- Nothing?
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- No.
- Okay, all right.
341
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[TV voices in background]
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- We can try to call
Jarod right now,
343
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and just kinda...
informally ask him
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if he remembers Emma,
and where she might've went to.
345
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I can't say whether
he'll answer the phone.
346
00:15:37,337 --> 00:15:38,837
[keypad clicking]
347
00:15:38,937 --> 00:15:41,037
[phone line trilling]
348
00:15:41,137 --> 00:15:43,037
[dog barks in background]
349
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[phone line continues trilling]
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- [Jarod, on recording]
Hi, you've reached Jarod.
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Leave a message
and I'll get back to you
352
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as soon as I can, thanks.
353
00:15:52,058 --> 00:15:53,398
[voicemail beeps]
354
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- Hi, Jarod.
It's Cy here in Ohio.
355
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I was, um, calling
with kind of a random question.
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I was curious
if you might remember
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a cub that you had
on "The Today Show."
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Her name was Emma,
a tiger cub.
359
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- [Jarod] When Emma here is
full grown, she'll be almost...
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- [Cy] We're just kinda trying
to track to see where
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she might have went.
362
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If you have any answer to that,
363
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or you know by any chance,
just give me a call back.
364
00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,520
All right,
hope you're doing well, bye.
365
00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:29,620
[phone beeps]
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00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:35,720
- He's not gonna know
where the animal's at,
367
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or where it went.
368
00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:41,561
I'd be surprised if he even
remembered the animal, period.
369
00:16:41,661 --> 00:16:45,401
He's not a bad person
for not having those answers.
370
00:16:45,501 --> 00:16:48,641
That's the nature
of his business.
371
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You just want to know what
the cute tiger cub's name is.
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- This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.
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- [Tamron] Hi, Millie.
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- [Cy] And what kind of
natural behaviors it might have
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when it's 400 pounds.
376
00:17:00,582 --> 00:17:02,282
- They're very social,
live in big prides,
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let the females
bring the food to them.
378
00:17:03,542 --> 00:17:04,442
- [Woman] What a life.
379
00:17:04,542 --> 00:17:06,002
- You don't want to hear
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about any potential
sad situation
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that it's to succumb
down the road.
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00:17:15,063 --> 00:17:17,723
Nobody wants to hear that.
383
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- [Radio Presenter]
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384
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Buffalo, New York.
385
00:17:22,983 --> 00:17:24,923
Music and news around the clock.
386
00:17:25,023 --> 00:17:27,724
You're listening to WDAN.
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- Once we got there, I'm gonna
have you stay in the car,
388
00:17:30,024 --> 00:17:32,284
and just keep an eye.
I don't want to bum-rush him,
389
00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,764
and make him feel like, whoa,
jump back, "What's going on?"
390
00:17:34,864 --> 00:17:37,164
- Right.
- And I'm just gonna approach
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00:17:37,264 --> 00:17:38,844
and hand this to him,
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00:17:38,944 --> 00:17:41,084
and then start asking him
about these cats,
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00:17:41,184 --> 00:17:42,925
you know,
where these animals end up.
394
00:17:43,025 --> 00:17:44,805
And then if he
continuously talks,
395
00:17:44,905 --> 00:17:47,185
I'm just gonna keep--
keep letting him talk.
396
00:17:53,465 --> 00:17:56,365
We wanna get something
stirred up here in Buffalo.
397
00:17:56,465 --> 00:17:57,725
We wanna get it going
that we're here
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00:17:57,825 --> 00:17:59,766
to find out about
these animals.
399
00:17:59,866 --> 00:18:01,246
So we're on, we're looking.
400
00:18:01,346 --> 00:18:03,246
[car door closes]
Is he here already or...?
401
00:18:03,346 --> 00:18:04,966
- No, he's not.
Loretta is though.
402
00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,366
- [Tim] Okay, you got it.
I'll just wait for him then.
403
00:18:07,466 --> 00:18:09,366
That's no problem.
You don't have to bother her.
404
00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:11,966
The only person that's
gonna answer this question
405
00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:14,086
is gonna be the last person
seen with her,
406
00:18:14,186 --> 00:18:16,187
and that's Jarod Miller.
407
00:18:17,827 --> 00:18:20,707
[inaudible conversation]
408
00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:28,687
[indistinct chatter]
409
00:18:28,787 --> 00:18:31,648
- [Woman] Or the people
who are-- you know what I mean?
410
00:18:31,748 --> 00:18:33,248
- [Tim] Yes.
Let me grab...
411
00:18:33,348 --> 00:18:34,768
- Do you just have
a couple questions for him?
412
00:18:34,868 --> 00:18:36,208
- [Tim] Yeah, I just need
to talk to you about
413
00:18:36,308 --> 00:18:37,728
5 or 10 minutes, that's it.
- Yes, sure.
414
00:18:37,828 --> 00:18:39,528
- Then we'll let you guys
do what you need to do.
415
00:18:39,628 --> 00:18:41,168
I'll bring you over here
and talk over here a little bit.
416
00:18:41,268 --> 00:18:43,888
Just between you and I.
- All right.
417
00:18:43,988 --> 00:18:46,969
- [Tim] I appreciate it.
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00:18:47,069 --> 00:18:48,929
Now, Jarod, you probably don't
remember me too much, do ya?
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00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:50,489
- [Jarod] I don't, I don't
know if we've ever met before.
420
00:18:50,589 --> 00:18:51,889
- [Tim] We probably met
a couple of times
421
00:18:51,989 --> 00:18:53,449
at some of the auctions,
some of the situations.
422
00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:55,449
- [Jarod] Okay.
- But what I have is,
423
00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:57,449
I'm on a kind of
a mission right now.
424
00:18:57,549 --> 00:18:59,089
We're trying to find out
what happened to some
425
00:18:59,189 --> 00:19:00,369
of these cats.
- Okay.
426
00:19:00,469 --> 00:19:01,689
- They're your
ambassador animals.
427
00:19:01,789 --> 00:19:03,330
That's just a partial list.
- Right.
428
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:04,890
- Those are the ones
we're having a real hard time
429
00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:06,610
trying to even find out
what happened to them.
430
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:08,410
- Right.
- Do you have any idea
431
00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:10,370
where the snow leopard went
by any chance?
432
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:13,010
- Well, this is a buddy of mine.
I'm trying to remember.
433
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:15,810
I think that was one from,
uh, I'm not exactly sure.
434
00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:17,290
- 'Cause that was
just last year.
435
00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:18,691
- Well, I used to work
at the Columbus Zoo,
436
00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:19,751
and he raised a lot
of snow leopards there.
437
00:19:19,831 --> 00:19:21,011
- Okay.
438
00:19:21,111 --> 00:19:22,491
- Then I don't
really know exactly.
439
00:19:22,591 --> 00:19:24,891
I don't know which ones
were born at the zoo,
440
00:19:24,991 --> 00:19:28,091
but I remember they would raise
them for different...
441
00:19:28,191 --> 00:19:30,211
- So the Columbus Zoo,
this came from the Columbus Zoo?
442
00:19:30,311 --> 00:19:32,411
- I believe so, yeah.
- And it went back?
443
00:19:32,511 --> 00:19:34,332
- I mean, like I said,
I don't know.
444
00:19:34,432 --> 00:19:36,012
Like I don't-- yeah,
I don't keep the cat, so...
445
00:19:36,112 --> 00:19:37,572
- Okay.
These two especially
446
00:19:37,672 --> 00:19:40,732
right here, Emma,
and this lion here.
447
00:19:40,832 --> 00:19:42,412
If you can tell me,
if you can find out,
448
00:19:42,512 --> 00:19:45,012
I'd really appreciate it,
because we're in a process
449
00:19:45,112 --> 00:19:47,252
of trying to find out
where these cats are.
450
00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:49,372
And it makes me a little bit mad
a little bit that you guys
451
00:19:49,472 --> 00:19:51,213
use them and you don't know
where they go, you know?
452
00:19:51,313 --> 00:19:53,413
- Yeah, like when it comes
to like that kind of stuff,
453
00:19:53,513 --> 00:19:55,213
Lee Huntsman that was in Ohio.
454
00:19:55,313 --> 00:19:57,453
And Lee Huntsman
was the one that,
455
00:19:57,553 --> 00:19:59,373
they always had like cats.
456
00:19:59,473 --> 00:20:02,013
But between like Lee Huntsman
and Grant Kemmerer,
457
00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:03,813
do you know him?
- Not yet.
458
00:20:03,913 --> 00:20:05,894
- He's more in Western PA,
so he's about 3 hours from us.
459
00:20:05,994 --> 00:20:07,974
- From here, okay.
- But, yeah, anytime we need,
460
00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:09,534
anytime we ever had
something for a cat,
461
00:20:09,634 --> 00:20:11,054
it was usually Grant, so...
462
00:20:11,154 --> 00:20:12,414
- So really you don't know
what happens?
463
00:20:12,514 --> 00:20:13,574
You use them
and then they go away?
464
00:20:13,674 --> 00:20:15,534
- Yup.
- And then that's--
465
00:20:15,634 --> 00:20:18,174
you never see it again, right?
- Yeah, no, I don't.
466
00:20:18,274 --> 00:20:21,094
- You never see the cat again.
All right, well...
467
00:20:21,194 --> 00:20:23,835
- Nice meeting you, Tim.
- Take care.
468
00:20:36,995 --> 00:20:38,576
I'm disgusted.
469
00:20:38,676 --> 00:20:40,576
You know how hard it was
for me not to grab him,
470
00:20:40,676 --> 00:20:42,776
and shake him?
471
00:20:42,876 --> 00:20:46,296
Yeah, I'm done with him.
I'm so pissed off right now,
472
00:20:46,396 --> 00:20:47,656
I don't even want
to talk to him anymore.
473
00:20:47,756 --> 00:20:49,056
I just wanted
to tell him, say,
474
00:20:49,156 --> 00:20:51,536
"Listen, you're exploiting
these animals,
475
00:20:51,636 --> 00:20:54,617
and it's just not right."
476
00:20:54,717 --> 00:20:56,057
- [Jarod] So I used to work
at the Columbus Zoo,
477
00:20:56,157 --> 00:20:57,537
and he raised a lot
of snow leopards there.
478
00:20:57,637 --> 00:20:59,637
- [Tim] Okay.
479
00:21:00,517 --> 00:21:02,497
So the Columbus Zoo,
this came from the Columbus Zoo?
480
00:21:02,597 --> 00:21:04,797
- [Jarod] I believe so, yeah.
- [Tim] And it went back?
481
00:21:10,998 --> 00:21:13,058
- [Jarod] I know a guy named
Lee Huntsman that was in Ohio.
482
00:21:13,158 --> 00:21:15,298
And Lee Huntsman
was the one that,
483
00:21:15,398 --> 00:21:17,398
they always have cat...
484
00:21:24,518 --> 00:21:29,259
[helicopter blades whirring]
485
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,279
[indistinct radio chatter]
486
00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:40,700
[tense music]
487
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♪♪
488
00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:04,221
- We're on route to a location
489
00:22:04,321 --> 00:22:07,261
that we think some
of the ambassadors cats
490
00:22:07,361 --> 00:22:08,821
have ended up.
491
00:22:08,921 --> 00:22:13,942
It's deep, deep in a rural part
of Pennsylvania.
492
00:22:14,042 --> 00:22:16,162
Kinda-- it's dairy country
is what it is.
493
00:22:18,722 --> 00:22:21,502
Now, if you watch the shows
and listen closely,
494
00:22:21,602 --> 00:22:25,062
you'll hear Jack Hanna refer
to this alleged zoological park
495
00:22:25,162 --> 00:22:27,582
in Pennsylvania.
- [Letterman] Where was it born?
496
00:22:27,682 --> 00:22:29,703
- This was born at the
zoological park in Pennsylvania.
497
00:22:29,803 --> 00:22:31,263
- Oh, for heaven's sake.
498
00:22:31,363 --> 00:22:33,503
- [Tim] And you'll hear
Boone Smith refer to
499
00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,223
a supposed sanctuary
in Pennsylvania.
500
00:22:36,323 --> 00:22:40,023
- So he's out of a sanctuary
there in Pennsylvania.
501
00:22:40,123 --> 00:22:42,703
And so these guys have
a great facility where...
502
00:22:42,803 --> 00:22:44,584
- [Tim] If you do just
a little bit of research,
503
00:22:44,684 --> 00:22:46,624
you'll see that there
is no such zoo
504
00:22:46,724 --> 00:22:48,424
or sanctuary that we can find.
505
00:22:48,524 --> 00:22:51,864
It looks like it's got
farm animals onto it.
506
00:22:51,964 --> 00:22:55,284
This is definitely not
a zoo or sanctuary.
507
00:22:58,124 --> 00:23:00,585
I don't see anything at all
508
00:23:00,685 --> 00:23:04,105
that would resemble
any place for big cats.
509
00:23:04,205 --> 00:23:05,945
And in my conversation
with Jarod,
510
00:23:06,045 --> 00:23:09,185
he refers to some guy
in Pennsylvania named Grant.
511
00:23:09,285 --> 00:23:11,705
That's it, you don't have
no idea what happens
to 'em afterwards?
512
00:23:11,805 --> 00:23:13,865
- Usually like Grant Kemmerer.
Do you know him?
513
00:23:13,965 --> 00:23:16,466
- [Tim] Not yet.
- [Jarod] He's in Pennsylvania.
514
00:23:16,566 --> 00:23:18,906
- So this would be
Grant Kemmerer,
515
00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:21,986
who is seen behind the scenes
a lot on TV
516
00:23:22,086 --> 00:23:25,066
handling the animals,
taking them off stage,
517
00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:28,226
even wearing
a Columbus Zoo uniform.
518
00:23:28,326 --> 00:23:31,466
Right there, it says
Columbus Zoo on there.
519
00:23:31,566 --> 00:23:33,347
But he's not
from the Columbus Zoo.
520
00:23:33,447 --> 00:23:35,027
He doesn't own
a zoological park.
521
00:23:35,127 --> 00:23:36,907
He doesn't even have
a sanctuary.
522
00:23:37,007 --> 00:23:39,867
He has a private
animal entertainment company
523
00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:42,107
listed as his home address,
524
00:23:42,207 --> 00:23:44,627
which is actually just a farm
tucked away here
525
00:23:44,727 --> 00:23:46,987
in the back country
of Pennsylvania.
526
00:23:47,087 --> 00:23:48,628
- Right on the other side
of that hill
527
00:23:48,728 --> 00:23:50,588
is where the property is.
528
00:23:50,688 --> 00:23:53,108
- [Tim] Somebody's
not telling the truth.
529
00:23:53,208 --> 00:23:54,868
- Looking at the property,
530
00:23:54,968 --> 00:24:00,468
just not seeing anywhere that
anybody could keep big cats.
531
00:24:00,568 --> 00:24:04,429
Really interesting to see
what Tim finds out
532
00:24:04,529 --> 00:24:06,529
up there talking with him.
533
00:24:08,849 --> 00:24:11,069
- He's not there.
534
00:24:11,169 --> 00:24:16,549
There was his mother-in-law
and father-in-law.
535
00:24:16,649 --> 00:24:19,590
And they said that he keeps
his animals at another location.
536
00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:22,910
It's up the road,
and just back over this hill.
537
00:24:23,010 --> 00:24:25,710
- So it's not the address
on the USDA paperwork?
538
00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:28,310
- No.
539
00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:32,570
Said it's the second house...
on the right.
540
00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:37,431
- [Keith] So did they say
go right at the farm?
541
00:24:37,531 --> 00:24:41,271
- No, maybe it is back there.
542
00:24:41,371 --> 00:24:44,631
"Road closed."
I bet you that's it right there.
543
00:24:44,731 --> 00:24:47,991
[tense music]
544
00:24:48,091 --> 00:24:49,991
[gravel crunching]
545
00:24:50,091 --> 00:24:53,392
♪♪
546
00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:55,232
Something not right here.
547
00:24:55,332 --> 00:24:57,332
[gears clunk]
548
00:25:07,893 --> 00:25:09,593
They've got some cages
up there.
549
00:25:09,693 --> 00:25:13,073
Oh, this is bad.
This is bad, Keith.
550
00:25:13,173 --> 00:25:14,953
Look at these makeshift--
look at these cages.
551
00:25:15,053 --> 00:25:16,713
- Yeah, this is definitely it.
552
00:25:16,813 --> 00:25:18,073
- Every one of these
little bitty cages
553
00:25:18,173 --> 00:25:20,173
has animals in it.
554
00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:25,874
Okay, right over there,
it looks like a leopard.
555
00:25:25,974 --> 00:25:27,474
That's a leopard.
- It's a leopard.
556
00:25:27,574 --> 00:25:30,514
- That's a leopard
in the top cage right there.
557
00:25:30,614 --> 00:25:33,474
This is just disgusting.
558
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:35,714
I've been telling people
for years that these animals
559
00:25:35,814 --> 00:25:39,195
are ending up
in private people's backyards.
560
00:25:39,295 --> 00:25:41,195
They got animals
in corn cribs.
561
00:25:41,295 --> 00:25:43,195
- Look at this,
look at this one.
562
00:25:43,295 --> 00:25:45,295
- It's just,
it's stunning.
563
00:25:47,615 --> 00:25:49,555
There's wolves up here, Keith.
564
00:25:49,655 --> 00:25:52,015
- That's a big wolf.
- Yeah, a real big wolf.
565
00:26:08,976 --> 00:26:13,357
- And then, man,
look at this right next door.
566
00:26:13,457 --> 00:26:16,237
- If the cats we're looking for
are on this property,
567
00:26:16,337 --> 00:26:18,337
it's gonna really upset me.
568
00:26:20,457 --> 00:26:22,457
[phone buzzing]
569
00:26:24,737 --> 00:26:26,798
Keith, I just got two--
two missed calls here
570
00:26:26,898 --> 00:26:29,438
while we were turning around
here, from Miami, Florida.
571
00:26:29,538 --> 00:26:31,478
That might be Grant's,
because he's originally from
572
00:26:31,578 --> 00:26:33,578
down that area,
that might be his cell phone.
573
00:26:35,378 --> 00:26:36,598
We are looking
for these animals,
574
00:26:36,698 --> 00:26:38,158
and we're looking
for these cats,
575
00:26:38,258 --> 00:26:41,198
especially for Savannah,
and lion cub Tyson,
576
00:26:41,298 --> 00:26:44,159
and black leopard Queen.
How about Wyatt?
577
00:26:44,259 --> 00:26:45,639
Wyatt was the one
we had on a list here.
578
00:26:45,739 --> 00:26:47,159
You have a pen and paper
in your hand?
579
00:26:47,259 --> 00:26:48,959
We just got off the phone
with Grant Kemmerer.
580
00:26:49,059 --> 00:26:50,839
It's actually stunning
that he's confirming
581
00:26:50,939 --> 00:26:52,559
that the animals
we have on this list,
582
00:26:52,659 --> 00:26:56,079
the cats we have on this list,
is on his property.
583
00:26:56,179 --> 00:26:57,919
So everything you have
on this sheet
584
00:26:58,019 --> 00:26:59,480
that I've given
and everything else
585
00:26:59,580 --> 00:27:01,040
is at your property?
- [Grant] Yes.
586
00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:03,680
- I mean, he even said,
you know, Queen is with him
587
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:05,880
at a show as we speak.
588
00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:08,160
He was on his way back
from a fair,
589
00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:10,440
so we know what
Queen's doing probably.
590
00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:12,160
- I text him, said,
"How many cats do you have?"
591
00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:14,561
And he texted back, "15-1,
592
00:27:14,661 --> 00:27:16,361
"which is the one is a jaguar
593
00:27:16,461 --> 00:27:19,121
on breeding loan to a zoo,
and four lynx."
594
00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:21,601
- So are they really there?
595
00:27:21,701 --> 00:27:23,441
Is he just saying that
to appease you?
596
00:27:23,541 --> 00:27:26,641
And without getting
onto the property,
597
00:27:26,741 --> 00:27:30,162
we will never know.
598
00:27:30,262 --> 00:27:32,602
- If these animals
are on that property,
599
00:27:32,702 --> 00:27:35,042
that's the worst place
these animals could end up at.
600
00:27:35,142 --> 00:27:37,482
And this is supposed to be
a sanctuary.
601
00:27:37,582 --> 00:27:40,722
This is not a sanctuary,
this is a-- this is a prison.
602
00:27:40,822 --> 00:27:43,182
And that's why these guys
on TV are lying.
603
00:27:46,263 --> 00:27:48,603
This is his work here,
he does fairs and festivals,
604
00:27:48,703 --> 00:27:51,763
birthday parties, schools,
scouts, bar mitzvahs.
605
00:27:51,863 --> 00:27:53,483
Oh, here we go,
here's the list,
606
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:55,803
some of the animals
you can have at your party.
607
00:27:55,903 --> 00:27:57,603
Go down the list here.
608
00:27:57,703 --> 00:28:00,803
Black leopard.
Here we go.
609
00:28:00,903 --> 00:28:04,204
Ever popular tiger cub.
610
00:28:04,304 --> 00:28:08,224
And a male or female lion
for a birthday party.
611
00:28:11,224 --> 00:28:14,444
These cats that are sitting
on these conservationist's laps
612
00:28:14,544 --> 00:28:16,284
are going straight
from their lap
613
00:28:16,384 --> 00:28:18,705
into the animal
exploitation trade.
614
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:28,625
They're loading up
animals right now.
615
00:28:30,505 --> 00:28:32,505
- [Keith] What's she doing?
616
00:28:34,306 --> 00:28:35,966
She's checking the locks.
617
00:28:36,066 --> 00:28:40,606
She either heard something
and got worried, or something.
618
00:28:40,706 --> 00:28:42,986
- I can guarantee
there's a big cat in there.
619
00:28:47,986 --> 00:28:49,647
And we're getting up
on the interstate.
620
00:28:49,747 --> 00:28:51,747
- Yup.
621
00:29:02,387 --> 00:29:04,167
- ...because of myself.
622
00:29:04,267 --> 00:29:08,088
[lion growls]
623
00:29:08,188 --> 00:29:10,288
- [Woman] And you can say that
the project's a success, right?
624
00:29:10,388 --> 00:29:11,968
- In my opinion,
it was a huge success.
625
00:29:12,068 --> 00:29:14,568
I think the whole point
of the project
626
00:29:14,668 --> 00:29:16,968
was to go out there and teach
these cats they can trust me.
627
00:29:17,068 --> 00:29:18,848
[lion growls]
Easy!
628
00:29:18,948 --> 00:29:20,488
Good girl.
I'm gonna come over here.
629
00:29:20,588 --> 00:29:23,889
[audience laughs]
630
00:29:23,989 --> 00:29:25,989
- [Girl] Oh, my!
631
00:29:27,749 --> 00:29:28,889
- [Dave] All right.
632
00:29:28,989 --> 00:29:30,989
Good girl.
633
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:48,510
[engine humming]
634
00:29:52,671 --> 00:29:56,491
- Yeah, I was just down here
not three months ago,
635
00:29:56,591 --> 00:29:59,611
giving a guest lecture
at a local university
636
00:29:59,711 --> 00:30:02,291
about America's tiger crisis.
637
00:30:02,391 --> 00:30:06,651
I think when I call it a crisis,
sometimes people think
638
00:30:06,751 --> 00:30:11,532
I'm speaking in hyperbole,
but here we are,
639
00:30:11,632 --> 00:30:15,412
tiger found chained
in somebody's backyard.
640
00:30:15,512 --> 00:30:18,452
[somber music]
641
00:30:18,552 --> 00:30:22,432
♪♪
642
00:30:25,833 --> 00:30:28,853
The only reason we know about
this tiger is because
643
00:30:28,953 --> 00:30:31,293
law enforcement officers
were executing a search warrant
644
00:30:31,393 --> 00:30:34,933
for something completely
unrelated to this issue.
645
00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:38,853
♪♪
646
00:30:38,953 --> 00:30:40,774
And if they hadn't
been doing that,
647
00:30:40,874 --> 00:30:44,214
this tiger likely would still
be on the end of that chain
648
00:30:44,314 --> 00:30:47,694
in the backyard
or possibly even dead.
649
00:30:47,794 --> 00:30:50,654
[machine beeping]
650
00:30:50,754 --> 00:30:55,094
- She still has the blood,
indicating bleeding higher up.
651
00:30:55,194 --> 00:30:58,335
- So I'm down here,
652
00:30:58,435 --> 00:31:02,655
try to assess the situation,
653
00:31:02,755 --> 00:31:07,855
determine what state,
federal laws have been violated,
654
00:31:07,955 --> 00:31:10,935
and what enforcement
opportunities there may be,
655
00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:14,936
and then get this cat
to a reputable sanctuary.
656
00:31:15,036 --> 00:31:19,176
♪♪
657
00:31:19,276 --> 00:31:22,496
[indistinct chatter]
658
00:31:22,596 --> 00:31:25,416
I just wanna find out
where this cat came from.
659
00:31:25,516 --> 00:31:28,657
♪♪
660
00:31:28,757 --> 00:31:31,297
And she's one
of the lucky ones.
661
00:31:31,397 --> 00:31:33,457
So many of these animals,
662
00:31:33,557 --> 00:31:36,097
they're gonna end up dying
on the end of that chain
663
00:31:36,197 --> 00:31:37,697
never to be found.
664
00:31:37,797 --> 00:31:40,037
- [Man] What'd she do here?
That's new.
665
00:31:47,798 --> 00:31:50,378
- She's really underweight.
She's got--
666
00:31:50,478 --> 00:31:53,378
she had ear mites and a number
of parasite issues.
667
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:57,378
And she's had really chronic,
severe diarrhea.
668
00:31:57,478 --> 00:31:59,459
[lion cub wails]
669
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:05,219
Appears that she's been--
she's rubbed her face raw.
670
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,619
In a number of spots,
she's missing fur.
671
00:32:08,719 --> 00:32:13,159
And her foot pads are cracked
from being chained on concrete.
672
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,380
The current state of the law,
673
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,740
the patchwork
state laws we have,
674
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,620
the insufficient federal laws
675
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,380
that are fraught with loopholes,
676
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,421
really give us
no meaningful way of tracking
677
00:32:32,521 --> 00:32:36,461
the coming and going of these
critically endangered animals.
678
00:32:36,561 --> 00:32:40,441
♪♪
679
00:32:45,561 --> 00:32:47,542
- I'm here in Washington DC,
680
00:32:47,642 --> 00:32:50,142
getting ready to go over,
speak to senators, congressmen,
681
00:32:50,242 --> 00:32:53,182
and congresswomen about
the Big Cat Public Safety Act,
682
00:32:53,282 --> 00:32:57,302
which is gonna help prevent
the private ownership,
683
00:32:57,402 --> 00:32:59,782
the breeding, all the problems
we have with big cats
684
00:32:59,882 --> 00:33:01,502
in the United States
of America right now.
685
00:33:01,602 --> 00:33:05,543
- Where we are now is,
we only have two more days for--
686
00:33:05,643 --> 00:33:08,943
in the House for people
to co-sponsor.
687
00:33:09,043 --> 00:33:11,183
- If we can get
this federal law passed,
688
00:33:11,283 --> 00:33:12,823
it's gonna go a long way
to protect
689
00:33:12,923 --> 00:33:15,063
both people and the animals.
690
00:33:15,163 --> 00:33:17,063
Especially with the public
safety aspect of it,
691
00:33:17,163 --> 00:33:19,144
because he is a big supporter
of law enforcement,
692
00:33:19,244 --> 00:33:21,104
big supporter
of first responders.
693
00:33:21,204 --> 00:33:23,544
- Staffer Sarah has already
learned about the issue,
694
00:33:23,644 --> 00:33:24,984
but we want to convey to her
695
00:33:25,084 --> 00:33:27,064
that this is really important
to Ohioans.
696
00:33:27,164 --> 00:33:29,384
- [Tim] I feel a little like
a fish out of water,
697
00:33:29,484 --> 00:33:30,864
and I'm out of my element
right here.
698
00:33:30,964 --> 00:33:32,784
- Proactive work by the agency.
699
00:33:32,884 --> 00:33:34,585
- [Woman] It's a very
small portion of the...
700
00:33:34,685 --> 00:33:36,545
- [Tim] I'm not used to this
chess game they play here
701
00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:38,545
with the way politicians work.
702
00:33:38,645 --> 00:33:41,025
- This should not be
a political issue.
703
00:33:41,125 --> 00:33:42,825
- [Tim] But it's something
I'm learning.
704
00:33:42,925 --> 00:33:44,625
- Let's see if he
has any suggestions.
705
00:33:44,725 --> 00:33:46,745
- [Tim] And luckily,
I'm here working as a team.
706
00:33:46,845 --> 00:33:49,145
And these are the men and women
that can help me.
707
00:33:49,245 --> 00:33:52,026
- ...know where the big cats
are in their communities.
708
00:33:52,126 --> 00:33:54,946
- We took six of these out
of a house in Lancaster, Ohio.
709
00:33:55,046 --> 00:33:57,306
This mountain lion was loose
in downtown Dayton,
710
00:33:57,406 --> 00:33:59,026
chewed through a door
of an empty house.
711
00:33:59,126 --> 00:34:00,626
Brought across state lines
to Harlem
712
00:34:00,726 --> 00:34:02,226
in this apartment building.
713
00:34:02,326 --> 00:34:04,306
There's an African lion
inside there.
714
00:34:04,406 --> 00:34:06,427
We actually had a tiger
jump over the firefighters
715
00:34:06,527 --> 00:34:08,467
as they were fighting
a house fire.
716
00:34:08,567 --> 00:34:10,587
We're making it so
it's just common sense
717
00:34:10,687 --> 00:34:12,387
that you have to register
your animal.
718
00:34:12,487 --> 00:34:13,627
We wanna know where they're at
719
00:34:13,727 --> 00:34:15,307
as cops, firemen,
and paramedics.
720
00:34:15,407 --> 00:34:17,467
- I guess I didn't
really realise the extent
721
00:34:17,567 --> 00:34:19,627
of how many animals
there were, yeah.
722
00:34:19,727 --> 00:34:21,347
- 38 big cats.
- Yeah.
723
00:34:21,447 --> 00:34:23,348
- I think in the long run
it's gonna be worth the while.
724
00:34:23,448 --> 00:34:24,948
I think the most
amazing thing is,
725
00:34:25,048 --> 00:34:27,508
is that people don't realise
being on the frontline
726
00:34:27,608 --> 00:34:28,948
of what's really
going on out there.
727
00:34:29,048 --> 00:34:30,188
And when you show it to them,
728
00:34:30,288 --> 00:34:31,628
it's a whole different
ball game.
729
00:34:31,728 --> 00:34:33,728
...to Harlem
in this apartment building.
730
00:34:44,569 --> 00:34:46,989
- [Rus] The menagerie
listed under species
731
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:49,829
is exactly the same.
- They don't list two lion cubs.
732
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:52,669
- [Tim] The only cats I see is
black leopard, cougar and tiger.
733
00:34:52,769 --> 00:34:56,590
- [Carney Anne] At the time
that that letter was written...
734
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:58,470
- The situation where
it actually shows you
735
00:34:58,570 --> 00:35:01,630
a tiger came from
a backyard zoo,
736
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:04,550
taken to New York City,
and put on "The Today Show."
737
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:07,070
We believe it was one
of our tigers, Millie.
738
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:11,111
- There's no mention
of any big cats at all.
739
00:35:11,211 --> 00:35:14,911
And we know that there was
at least two tigers and a lion,
740
00:35:15,011 --> 00:35:16,991
and it seems that
that information
741
00:35:17,091 --> 00:35:19,871
is what's being kept from us.
742
00:35:19,971 --> 00:35:22,591
- So we're trying to find
a cat named Emma
743
00:35:22,691 --> 00:35:27,072
that went from Jarod Miller
to Andrew Simmons,
744
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:29,392
and the State of New York
has no record.
745
00:35:29,492 --> 00:35:31,392
[phone line trilling]
746
00:35:31,492 --> 00:35:34,712
- Hey, Jeff,
we are trying to look into
747
00:35:34,812 --> 00:35:36,952
this tiger named Jake.
748
00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:39,912
Jake was on a couple
of TV shows.
749
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:41,753
We're not finding anything
in the paperwork,
750
00:35:41,853 --> 00:35:46,793
but we know that Jake
ended up at a roadside zoo.
751
00:35:46,893 --> 00:35:48,713
- [Jeff] Yeah, I remember
the name is familiar,
752
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,873
so, yeah, let me do some
research on that roadside zoo.
753
00:35:51,973 --> 00:35:53,433
- All right,
let's see what's next.
754
00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:55,273
- We've got the dates
on this one,
755
00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:58,354
so it doesn't have
any lions on here at all.
756
00:35:58,454 --> 00:36:00,634
And we know for a fact
there was lions there.
757
00:36:00,734 --> 00:36:04,234
- We've tried to get records
with the State Wildlife Agency,
758
00:36:04,334 --> 00:36:07,514
but, um, they won't produce
those records.
759
00:36:07,614 --> 00:36:09,554
- So there's probably no way
760
00:36:09,654 --> 00:36:10,954
we're gonna find out
those two females?
761
00:36:11,054 --> 00:36:12,554
- Be very, very difficult.
762
00:36:12,654 --> 00:36:15,395
- You know, it's ridiculous,
absolutely ridiculous.
763
00:36:15,495 --> 00:36:17,075
- These records
used to be provided,
764
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:20,555
and now we're in this new era
of zero transparency
765
00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,235
with the US Department
of Agriculture.
766
00:36:22,335 --> 00:36:25,035
The position that they've taken
is to withhold
767
00:36:25,135 --> 00:36:27,595
what the animal inventory is
at the time
768
00:36:27,695 --> 00:36:29,516
in their entirety.
769
00:36:29,616 --> 00:36:32,756
- For all states?
- For all states.
770
00:36:32,856 --> 00:36:36,436
We have prepared an appeal
against the USDA
771
00:36:36,536 --> 00:36:41,236
to seek disclosure
of these public records.
772
00:36:41,336 --> 00:36:44,076
If they deny our appeal,
then we are prepared to consider
773
00:36:44,176 --> 00:36:46,517
all available legal options,
774
00:36:46,617 --> 00:36:48,617
including litigation.
775
00:36:53,137 --> 00:36:56,037
[pensive music]
776
00:36:56,137 --> 00:36:59,677
♪♪
777
00:36:59,777 --> 00:37:01,278
- [Tim] Look at that,
right down there,
778
00:37:01,378 --> 00:37:04,838
it says martial arts
and some other thing down here.
779
00:37:04,938 --> 00:37:08,798
- He's here from Animal Planet,
please welcome Dave Salmoni.
780
00:37:08,898 --> 00:37:10,898
[audience cheers]
781
00:37:15,058 --> 00:37:17,479
- [Tim] Do you recognise
that name at all, David Salmoni?
782
00:37:17,579 --> 00:37:18,839
He needs to contact me
right away,
783
00:37:18,939 --> 00:37:21,119
because I think
he can help me out.
784
00:37:21,219 --> 00:37:22,719
- Okay, why don't you sit there?
785
00:37:22,819 --> 00:37:25,959
[leopard grunts]
[audience gasps]
786
00:37:26,059 --> 00:37:27,879
He's just trying to get settled.
787
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,639
- Okay, we left a card,
788
00:37:29,739 --> 00:37:31,399
don't know that's gonna do
any good or not,
789
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,920
but at least we have
one of the locations checked.
790
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:37,200
- Big teeth and big claws.
- Big teeth and claw-- ow!
791
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,280
- Was this a good idea bringing
this one into the studio?
792
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:40,920
- Well, you can see,
at this age, they still like...
793
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:42,560
- [Tim] We got information
directly to people
794
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,120
that know him,
795
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:45,920
but it's up to him now
to do the right thing.
796
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:47,440
- What is this lion's name?
797
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:49,601
[audience cheers]
Oh, no, he doesn't like it.
798
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:52,141
He doesn't like it.
- Oh, he does.
799
00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:59,461
- [Tim] This is his street
right here, right here.
800
00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:05,962
So I was just seeing
if Dave was here.
801
00:38:06,062 --> 00:38:07,842
I wanted to talk
to him a second.
802
00:38:07,942 --> 00:38:09,942
Okay, thanks.
803
00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:13,842
My name's Tim Harrison,
just have a question.
804
00:38:13,942 --> 00:38:15,402
- [Dave] What can I do for you?
805
00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:17,602
- The organization I'm with
is Outreach for Animals,
806
00:38:17,702 --> 00:38:19,162
and what we're trying to do
is find out what happens
807
00:38:19,262 --> 00:38:21,123
to cats after they've
been used on TV.
808
00:38:21,223 --> 00:38:23,963
This is the partial list
of your ambassador cats.
809
00:38:24,063 --> 00:38:26,363
I'd really appreciate
if we can find out
810
00:38:26,463 --> 00:38:27,883
what happened to some of these.
811
00:38:27,983 --> 00:38:30,483
And we're looking especially
for Mason, Tyson,
812
00:38:30,583 --> 00:38:32,523
you know, the top page here,
if you really look at it.
813
00:38:32,623 --> 00:38:34,323
We have some other ones
on here too,
814
00:38:34,423 --> 00:38:36,704
but just to get a basic idea--
- What you have to realise is...
815
00:38:39,504 --> 00:38:42,564
- I know, that's the downfall,
that's what we're finding out.
816
00:38:42,664 --> 00:38:44,684
And do you think it's right
to do this with a cat
817
00:38:44,784 --> 00:38:48,044
and then it just disappears,
nobody knows what happens?
818
00:38:48,144 --> 00:38:50,444
Oh, you do know
where they all are?
You know where everything's at?
819
00:38:50,544 --> 00:38:51,724
And that's what we're
trying to find out.
820
00:38:51,824 --> 00:38:53,445
Where do they go
after they're done?
821
00:38:53,545 --> 00:38:55,085
- They don't go anywhere.
- They don't go anywhere?
822
00:38:55,185 --> 00:38:56,925
- They stay at their place,
their accredited place.
823
00:38:57,025 --> 00:38:58,765
- What's their accredited place?
That's on this here?
824
00:38:58,865 --> 00:39:00,865
That's an accredited facility?
825
00:39:03,625 --> 00:39:05,625
- [Tim] No, but somebody
at least that's accredited and--
826
00:39:08,066 --> 00:39:11,046
So what we'll do is we have
a certain set of criteria,
827
00:39:11,146 --> 00:39:13,846
and so I and my providers,
828
00:39:13,946 --> 00:39:15,766
and Animal Planet,
and every time we partner,
829
00:39:15,866 --> 00:39:17,526
anything that is ABC...
- Okay.
830
00:39:17,626 --> 00:39:19,846
- ...has to meet
their criteria, right?
831
00:39:19,946 --> 00:39:22,646
And then we at Discovery
and Animal Planet,
832
00:39:22,746 --> 00:39:25,067
because I've been doing this
for 18 years...
833
00:39:28,067 --> 00:39:29,647
I doubt you'll get the help.
834
00:39:29,747 --> 00:39:32,407
If anybody ever decides
to talk to you, great.
835
00:39:32,507 --> 00:39:34,607
- How about you?
- I just talked to you--
836
00:39:34,707 --> 00:39:36,207
- Did you tell me
where they're at?
837
00:39:36,307 --> 00:39:38,467
Okay, then you didn't help me.
838
00:39:40,908 --> 00:39:43,808
Dave, we have to change
the way we're educating.
839
00:39:43,908 --> 00:39:47,368
We also have to change the way
things are going here, okay?
840
00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,928
Now I'm asking you,
I'm begging you to help.
841
00:39:50,028 --> 00:39:51,608
I'm begging you.
842
00:39:51,708 --> 00:39:54,608
- It's dumbfounding that we
have to go to this extent
843
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:57,529
to find a protected
endangered species
844
00:39:57,629 --> 00:39:59,529
in the United States
of America.
845
00:39:59,629 --> 00:40:01,689
- As far as this,
you see...
846
00:40:01,789 --> 00:40:03,569
I'm not gonna expose
these people to any level
847
00:40:03,669 --> 00:40:05,929
of any extra, you know...
848
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,489
- Okay, but I asked, right?
- You asked, good for you.
849
00:40:08,589 --> 00:40:10,169
- But they're hiding it from us.
850
00:40:10,269 --> 00:40:12,610
And that should be a huge
red flag for the public.
851
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:15,610
- [Tim] Can't find them.
Now, if we look for these--
852
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:17,010
- If you can't find them,
that doesn't mean
853
00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:19,110
that they've disappeared.
It means...
854
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:22,530
- [Tim, on recording]
Now if we look for these--
855
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:24,010
- [Dave, on recording]
If you can't them,
856
00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:25,810
that doesn't mean
that they've disappeared.
857
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:28,211
That means you need to learn
how to find them better.
858
00:40:28,311 --> 00:40:29,771
[line disconnect tone]
859
00:40:29,871 --> 00:40:31,691
- Challenge accepted.
860
00:40:31,791 --> 00:40:34,571
[tense music]
861
00:40:34,671 --> 00:40:37,691
My name's Jeff Kramer,
and I've been involved
862
00:40:37,791 --> 00:40:40,771
in animal welfare
for over 30 years.
863
00:40:40,871 --> 00:40:42,331
Animals have always been
a passion of mine,
864
00:40:42,431 --> 00:40:44,972
and my background
has always been research.
865
00:40:45,072 --> 00:40:47,492
So to be able to combine
that research skill
866
00:40:47,592 --> 00:40:50,312
and use it for the animals,
like, it's a natural fit.
867
00:40:52,352 --> 00:40:54,092
The world is all digital,
868
00:40:54,192 --> 00:40:56,212
so every part
of everybody's life
869
00:40:56,312 --> 00:40:59,373
is probably somewhere out there
waiting to be found.
870
00:40:59,473 --> 00:41:02,053
It's just a matter of having
the skills to figure out
871
00:41:02,153 --> 00:41:04,693
how the pieces
all come together.
872
00:41:04,793 --> 00:41:06,533
- [Tim] Everybody
we've talked to so far
873
00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:07,973
have always pushed it off
on somebody else
874
00:41:08,073 --> 00:41:09,573
who doesn't know,
or lost their records.
875
00:41:09,673 --> 00:41:11,293
- Oh, that's not in my case.
876
00:41:11,393 --> 00:41:12,533
- [Jeff] You know,
it might be the picture,
877
00:41:12,633 --> 00:41:14,013
it might be the video,
878
00:41:14,113 --> 00:41:16,494
it might be the comment
on a picture or a video.
879
00:41:16,594 --> 00:41:17,934
- [Dave] I know where they all
are, I know where they are.
880
00:41:18,034 --> 00:41:19,654
- [Tim] Oh, you do know
where they all are?
881
00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:21,694
Then why can't anybody else
find out where they're at?
882
00:41:21,794 --> 00:41:24,134
- [Jeff] I've encountered some
social media pages
883
00:41:24,234 --> 00:41:28,454
where I've looked through
12,000 photos to find one.
884
00:41:28,554 --> 00:41:29,854
And it's like, bam!
[hand slaps]
885
00:41:29,954 --> 00:41:31,175
There it is.
886
00:41:31,275 --> 00:41:33,415
- [Tim] I'm talking
about backyards.
887
00:41:33,515 --> 00:41:34,815
I'm hoping so.
888
00:41:34,915 --> 00:41:37,395
So none of these are
in a roadside zoo, or--
889
00:41:40,795 --> 00:41:43,695
[tense music]
890
00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:45,695
♪♪
891
00:41:45,795 --> 00:41:48,716
[children shouting, screaming]
892
00:41:55,356 --> 00:41:57,616
[rooster crowing]
893
00:41:57,716 --> 00:42:00,816
- [Tim] Yeah, when I came in
to Critter Country here,
894
00:42:00,916 --> 00:42:02,897
a gentleman,
I think is the owner,
895
00:42:02,997 --> 00:42:04,937
recognised me right away.
896
00:42:05,037 --> 00:42:07,297
And I said, "I'm here
to come see your big cats."
897
00:42:07,397 --> 00:42:09,657
And he didn't pull any punches,
he told me what was going on,
898
00:42:09,757 --> 00:42:11,497
and he ended up
basically telling me that
899
00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:15,577
some of David Salmoni's
ambassador cats are here.
900
00:42:15,677 --> 00:42:18,898
He even told me that some of
those cats, believe it or not,
901
00:42:18,998 --> 00:42:22,418
was raised in his own home,
raised in their living room.
902
00:42:22,518 --> 00:42:24,518
[keyboard clacking]
903
00:42:28,478 --> 00:42:29,978
He had a black leopard
that was actually
904
00:42:30,078 --> 00:42:31,858
the one that was used
on the "Tyra Banks Show,"
905
00:42:31,958 --> 00:42:34,659
when he came out as Tarzan,
and then he took that cat out.
906
00:42:34,759 --> 00:42:36,299
And it was not happy.
[leopard growling]
907
00:42:36,399 --> 00:42:37,739
- But these guys are
actually really rare-- okay.
908
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:39,059
[leopard growls]
- [Tyra screams]
909
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,459
- Okay, you ready?
910
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:42,819
She's fine.
Okay.
911
00:42:42,919 --> 00:42:45,179
That's just her
sort of saying, hey...
912
00:42:45,279 --> 00:42:46,659
- [Tim] This cat
didn't end up going
913
00:42:46,759 --> 00:42:49,219
to an accredited
professional facility.
914
00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:52,620
This animal ended up
in a petting zoo,
915
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,260
just a backyard menagerie.
916
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,260
It's even called
Critter Country Farm.
917
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,660
[audience applause]
918
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,660
The other yellow leopard
that's been used
919
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,101
quite a bit by David Salmoni
and was on Jimmy Kimmel's show,
920
00:43:06,201 --> 00:43:07,941
and in fact Paris Hilton
held it.
921
00:43:08,041 --> 00:43:09,541
- [Jimmy] Paris is very
comfortable with this animal.
922
00:43:09,641 --> 00:43:10,981
- You an see she's an old pro.
- I love animals.
923
00:43:11,081 --> 00:43:12,701
- [Tim] And then also
it was used on that
924
00:43:12,801 --> 00:43:15,221
"Fran Drescher Show."
- [Fran] Oh, you sweet thing.
925
00:43:15,321 --> 00:43:17,061
- [Tim] Ended up,
when its use was done,
926
00:43:17,161 --> 00:43:20,741
when it reached a certain size,
it was dumped also here,
927
00:43:20,841 --> 00:43:23,822
and put in the same small cage
as the black leopard.
928
00:43:23,922 --> 00:43:26,022
- [Fran] And what is
the future for this animal?
929
00:43:26,122 --> 00:43:28,382
- [Dave] This guy's
gonna be what they call
an education animal.
930
00:43:28,482 --> 00:43:31,582
So he'll go around and he'll be
931
00:43:31,682 --> 00:43:32,902
teaching people
about conservation.
932
00:43:33,002 --> 00:43:34,502
So he'll be...
933
00:43:34,602 --> 00:43:36,102
- The sad part is,
for five to eight years,
934
00:43:36,202 --> 00:43:37,783
they've been living
in this condition right here,
935
00:43:37,883 --> 00:43:39,663
five to eight years.
936
00:43:39,763 --> 00:43:43,263
These cages are only about
15 foot by 15, maybe 10 feet.
937
00:43:43,363 --> 00:43:47,623
They're separated,
each one's a separate cage.
938
00:43:47,723 --> 00:43:49,223
While this is
going on right now,
939
00:43:49,323 --> 00:43:51,423
they had to move them out
of these cages,
940
00:43:51,523 --> 00:43:53,103
and be placed
in the holding cages,
941
00:43:53,203 --> 00:43:55,264
which is basically
just traveling cages,
942
00:43:55,364 --> 00:43:58,064
small ones so that they
can fix the fencing.
943
00:43:58,164 --> 00:43:59,624
So for the last three weeks,
944
00:43:59,724 --> 00:44:02,664
they've been living
in these travel cages.
945
00:44:02,764 --> 00:44:06,744
This is why David Salmoni
can't tell people the truth.
946
00:44:06,844 --> 00:44:08,904
- There's no positive, there's
no upside to telling you...
947
00:44:09,004 --> 00:44:11,505
- The truth, telling the truth.
- Right.
948
00:44:11,605 --> 00:44:13,305
- There's no upside
to telling the truth, okay.
949
00:44:13,405 --> 00:44:14,865
This is why he can't say,
you know,
950
00:44:14,965 --> 00:44:16,665
when I'm done with this cat,
doing the circuit,
951
00:44:16,765 --> 00:44:19,025
the TV shows
and all the photo ops,
952
00:44:19,125 --> 00:44:21,625
he can't tell you
that they ended up,
953
00:44:21,725 --> 00:44:25,506
you know, dumped into a farm
in Pennsylvania.
954
00:44:25,606 --> 00:44:26,526
- [Dave] You wanna grab him?
Watch your clothes.
955
00:44:26,606 --> 00:44:28,026
- [Fran] Where's his mama?
956
00:44:28,126 --> 00:44:30,586
- His mum's at a nice
little zoo somewhere.
957
00:44:30,686 --> 00:44:32,506
- [Fran] Aww!
958
00:44:32,606 --> 00:44:34,026
- In the name of conservation,
959
00:44:34,126 --> 00:44:36,586
they allowed
these two ambassador cats
960
00:44:36,686 --> 00:44:38,466
to breed here
in this backyard.
961
00:44:38,566 --> 00:44:40,826
[keyboard clacking]
962
00:44:40,926 --> 00:44:43,667
It's so sad.
963
00:44:43,767 --> 00:44:45,767
[keyboard clacking]
964
00:45:07,448 --> 00:45:10,028
We really do have
to pay attention
965
00:45:10,128 --> 00:45:12,348
to what these conservationists
are saying.
966
00:45:12,448 --> 00:45:13,589
- [Woman] ...furry friends.
Hi, Jack.
967
00:45:13,689 --> 00:45:15,189
- Hello.
- [Woman] Who do you have there?
968
00:45:15,289 --> 00:45:16,949
- [Jack] This is a baby leopard,
and the leopard's....
969
00:45:17,049 --> 00:45:19,469
- A perfect example,
Jack was on a TV show,
970
00:45:19,569 --> 00:45:21,589
he had a leopard,
a leopard cub on there.
971
00:45:21,689 --> 00:45:23,989
And he's talking about,
it was part of the SSP,
972
00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:26,509
Species Survival Plan.
- [Jack] Very endangered animal,
973
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:28,189
it's in the Species
Survival Plan
974
00:45:28,289 --> 00:45:29,510
with American Zoo
and Aquarium Association.
975
00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:30,950
So we monitor every one
of these cats,
976
00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:32,750
wherever they're bred,
and this animal...
977
00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:34,830
- The SSP,
the Species Survival Plan
978
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:37,670
is actually a legitimate program
with the AZA.
979
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:40,710
So I immediately went to
the SSP books, the studbooks,
980
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:43,550
opened them up,
we tried to find that leopard.
981
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:46,371
Couldn't find it.
That cat's not there.
982
00:45:47,611 --> 00:45:49,791
If it's not in that book,
983
00:45:49,891 --> 00:45:52,431
it does not exist in the SSP.
984
00:45:52,531 --> 00:45:56,671
That got me thinking,
"What's going on here?"
985
00:45:56,771 --> 00:45:57,911
When he was finished
with the cub,
986
00:45:58,011 --> 00:46:00,191
and he was done with it,
a woman came on,
987
00:46:00,291 --> 00:46:04,472
and she started to walk off
with the leopard cub.
988
00:46:04,572 --> 00:46:07,472
It was Grant Kemmerer's wife.
989
00:46:07,572 --> 00:46:10,592
Why is Grant Kemmerer's wife
990
00:46:10,692 --> 00:46:14,592
taking a leopard cub
that's allegedly an SSP cat
991
00:46:14,692 --> 00:46:17,033
off of Jack's lap
and disappearing
992
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:18,633
off the stage with it?
993
00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:21,913
[tense music]
994
00:46:22,013 --> 00:46:23,713
We started to investigate
a little deeper.
995
00:46:23,813 --> 00:46:27,553
We went in and found some
paperwork, found a transfer,
996
00:46:27,653 --> 00:46:29,753
six months after that TV show
997
00:46:29,853 --> 00:46:33,194
taking a leopard
from Grant Kemmerer
998
00:46:33,294 --> 00:46:36,254
to Critter Country Farm.
999
00:46:41,574 --> 00:46:44,114
How do we know
if that was the same cat
1000
00:46:44,214 --> 00:46:46,834
that Jack Hanna had on his lap?
We'll never know.
1001
00:46:46,934 --> 00:46:50,815
♪♪
1002
00:47:05,496 --> 00:47:07,496
[birds chirping]
1003
00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:17,236
[indistinct chatter]
1004
00:47:17,336 --> 00:47:19,316
Let me see if I can help out.
1005
00:47:19,416 --> 00:47:22,337
[muffled voices in distance]
1006
00:47:32,977 --> 00:47:35,518
All right, well,
she's definitely not
1007
00:47:35,618 --> 00:47:37,158
going to work with us.
1008
00:47:37,258 --> 00:47:39,558
She's definitely not gonna
turn over any cats.
1009
00:47:39,658 --> 00:47:42,598
In her mind,
1010
00:47:42,698 --> 00:47:44,718
she knows something
bad can happen,
1011
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:47,098
but she says, "We'll just
take it as it comes."
1012
00:47:50,818 --> 00:47:54,559
What you see back there
is the absolute poster child
1013
00:47:54,659 --> 00:47:57,299
for why we need
the Big Cat Public Safety Act.
1014
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:24,221
[sirens wailing]
1015
00:48:27,781 --> 00:48:30,541
- [Woman] Clayton County 911,
what's the location
of your emergency?
1016
00:48:50,062 --> 00:48:52,062
[airplane engine roaring]
1017
00:48:55,343 --> 00:48:58,163
- Here I am coming back
to Washington DC again.
1018
00:48:58,263 --> 00:49:00,243
I got a call from Jason Osborne.
1019
00:49:00,343 --> 00:49:02,763
Jason has got his fingers
on the pulse out here.
1020
00:49:02,863 --> 00:49:04,763
He's working with the Big Cat
Public Safety Act here
1021
00:49:04,863 --> 00:49:06,603
on a national level.
1022
00:49:06,703 --> 00:49:08,203
So he knows what's going on.
1023
00:49:08,303 --> 00:49:10,443
And he says we have
a big issue right now.
1024
00:49:10,543 --> 00:49:12,324
So we're gonna find out
what that is.
1025
00:49:12,424 --> 00:49:14,524
- But we've been
confronted recently with
1026
00:49:14,624 --> 00:49:16,324
what we feel is
a good opportunity,
1027
00:49:16,424 --> 00:49:18,284
and a good member,
Senator Portman
1028
00:49:18,384 --> 00:49:21,404
from your home state,
he's a great guy,
1029
00:49:21,504 --> 00:49:24,324
very knowledgeable
about this issue,
1030
00:49:24,424 --> 00:49:27,405
and wants to do
the right thing on this.
1031
00:49:27,505 --> 00:49:30,565
And what we came to realise
is that Jack Hanna
1032
00:49:30,665 --> 00:49:33,285
and the Columbus Zoo
have come in
1033
00:49:33,385 --> 00:49:34,845
and kind of put a halt on it.
1034
00:49:34,945 --> 00:49:38,365
He's been to DC quite a bit
on this specific issue.
1035
00:49:38,465 --> 00:49:39,765
He's been into
the members' offices.
1036
00:49:39,865 --> 00:49:42,486
He's on the phone with staff.
1037
00:49:42,586 --> 00:49:46,326
And for one person
to hold this up
1038
00:49:46,426 --> 00:49:51,086
in this senator's case,
it's tragic.
1039
00:49:51,186 --> 00:49:52,886
- Well, whenever we go
to these offices,
1040
00:49:52,986 --> 00:49:54,766
people are like, "You should
get Jack Hanna involved."
1041
00:49:54,866 --> 00:49:57,526
We're like, "He is absolutely
the biggest problem
1042
00:49:57,626 --> 00:49:58,847
that we're facing."
1043
00:49:58,947 --> 00:50:00,647
- Well, we're in
a tug of war, right now.
1044
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,407
Every time we start pulling,
1045
00:50:03,507 --> 00:50:06,207
the other side starts pulling
a little of that back.
1046
00:50:06,307 --> 00:50:08,247
- As you're walking out the door
of these offices,
1047
00:50:08,347 --> 00:50:10,007
you can bet
that it won't be long
1048
00:50:10,107 --> 00:50:11,607
after you're out of the building
1049
00:50:11,707 --> 00:50:13,827
that they're gonna be
in there opposing it.
1050
00:50:17,988 --> 00:50:19,608
- [Jason] For folks
to come up here,
1051
00:50:19,708 --> 00:50:21,488
and they bring
these animals up here--
1052
00:50:21,588 --> 00:50:23,608
- They're bringing animals
to Washington DC?
1053
00:50:23,708 --> 00:50:25,608
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh, wow.
1054
00:50:25,708 --> 00:50:27,848
- Every year there's actually,
1055
00:50:27,948 --> 00:50:31,609
right over there in the House
in the Longworth Building,
1056
00:50:31,709 --> 00:50:34,249
every year there's a reception
that Doc Antle hosts
1057
00:50:34,349 --> 00:50:36,729
where he brings in tiger cubs.
1058
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:38,949
- Every year?
- Every year.
1059
00:50:41,709 --> 00:50:43,169
So some of these congressmen
that have been
1060
00:50:43,269 --> 00:50:46,950
our opponents for years
are hosting him.
1061
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:57,450
In DC, the law is,
you're not allowed
1062
00:50:57,550 --> 00:51:01,570
to touch these animals.
1063
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:05,131
You know, this is illegal,
but yet they still let it
1064
00:51:05,231 --> 00:51:07,531
continue to happen because
it's happening in Congress.
1065
00:51:07,631 --> 00:51:09,531
- Wow!
- Yeah, it's awful.
1066
00:51:09,631 --> 00:51:11,491
- How do you fight that?
How are you fighting it, Jason?
1067
00:51:11,591 --> 00:51:13,651
- Exactly.
1068
00:51:13,751 --> 00:51:15,491
- It's such a difficult thing
to overcome,
1069
00:51:15,591 --> 00:51:17,291
because when somebody's
standing in the presence
1070
00:51:17,391 --> 00:51:19,932
of a cheetah or some
other magnificent animal,
1071
00:51:20,032 --> 00:51:22,132
they're just focused on,
when do I get to pet it?
1072
00:51:22,232 --> 00:51:24,372
They're not thinking about
the underlying issues.
1073
00:51:24,472 --> 00:51:27,132
So it just causes such
a huge problem for us
1074
00:51:27,232 --> 00:51:29,372
to be able to try
and overcome.
1075
00:51:29,472 --> 00:51:31,472
[keyboard clacking]
1076
00:51:35,473 --> 00:51:37,693
- The only thing
that could overcome this is,
1077
00:51:37,793 --> 00:51:41,453
while the Columbus Zoo
is the biggest zoo in Ohio,
1078
00:51:41,553 --> 00:51:43,973
there are a number
of other AZA zoos in Ohio.
1079
00:51:44,073 --> 00:51:46,333
The AZA supports the bill.
1080
00:51:46,433 --> 00:51:49,013
So if we could get
those guys to sign on,
1081
00:51:49,113 --> 00:51:51,894
so we could go in and prove
1082
00:51:51,994 --> 00:51:54,534
that Columbus and Jack Hanna
are outliers,
1083
00:51:54,634 --> 00:51:56,214
that they're on the wrong side
of this issue.
1084
00:51:56,314 --> 00:51:59,574
That is the only way
that we're going to be able
1085
00:51:59,674 --> 00:52:01,054
to get through.
1086
00:52:01,154 --> 00:52:03,414
- I'm calling to speak
with Liz Fowler.
1087
00:52:03,514 --> 00:52:07,135
Hey, this is Tim Harrison.
I was calling to speak
with Thane Maynard if he's in.
1088
00:52:07,235 --> 00:52:08,935
This is Tim Harrison
calling back for Bob,
1089
00:52:09,035 --> 00:52:10,615
he told me to give him
a call back.
1090
00:52:10,715 --> 00:52:12,715
- [Bob]
Thanks for reaching out to us.
1091
00:52:15,995 --> 00:52:17,695
- This is their baby.
1092
00:52:17,795 --> 00:52:21,035
So we really need you all to
step up and do the right thing.
1093
00:52:25,596 --> 00:52:27,496
- That's great, that's exactly
what I wanna hear.
1094
00:52:27,596 --> 00:52:31,176
Just staying away from private
breeders, private ownership.
1095
00:52:31,276 --> 00:52:32,936
Unless you're involved
with anything like that,
1096
00:52:33,036 --> 00:52:34,656
you're doing fine.
1097
00:52:34,756 --> 00:52:37,977
- [Thane] I know you know...
1098
00:52:38,077 --> 00:52:42,417
So he must have sent
four out of five to...
1099
00:52:42,517 --> 00:52:44,377
- So there's nothing
we can do about that.
1100
00:52:44,477 --> 00:52:46,697
What I'm doing is trying
to get the four zoos here,
1101
00:52:46,797 --> 00:52:48,177
because I know
I'm not gonna get Columbus.
1102
00:52:48,277 --> 00:52:50,537
- We'll do some process here.
1103
00:52:50,637 --> 00:52:53,018
I imagine we can weigh in.
- Excellent.
1104
00:52:53,118 --> 00:52:55,118
[Liz Fowler speaking]
1105
00:52:56,838 --> 00:52:59,078
- That's good, that's good.
I like to hear that.
1106
00:53:03,958 --> 00:53:06,138
- I can't thank you enough,
Liz, that's encouraging,
1107
00:53:06,238 --> 00:53:08,378
that's exactly
what I wanna hear.
1108
00:53:08,478 --> 00:53:09,659
Looks good.
1109
00:53:09,759 --> 00:53:11,539
Now she's got
the Northeast zoos,
1110
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,779
that's Cleveland,
Toledo, and Akron.
1111
00:53:13,879 --> 00:53:16,259
- [Man] Let me talk
with our curators tomorrow,
1112
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:17,979
and I'll get a sense
of where they are.
1113
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:19,819
- Yeah, I haven't talked
to Doug yet,
1114
00:53:19,919 --> 00:53:22,739
but I'm going up to Detroit Zoo
with Ron Kagan up there,
1115
00:53:22,839 --> 00:53:26,860
he's a big supporter,
and have a conference call
with Doug from the Akron Zoo.
1116
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,500
And we're gonna see if we can't
get on the same page.
1117
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,820
- [Doug] Modern standard is
and what the expectation is,
I doubt it will work.
1118
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,420
- So my suggestion,
because I think Tim in a way
1119
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,501
has put a challenge
in front of us,
1120
00:53:40,601 --> 00:53:45,581
I'd like us to be in front of it
rather than others actually.
1121
00:53:45,681 --> 00:53:47,661
- [Doug] I totally
agree with you.
1122
00:53:47,761 --> 00:53:49,761
And the bottom line is...
1123
00:53:54,401 --> 00:53:56,382
- Absolutely right.
1124
00:53:56,482 --> 00:53:59,902
- [Doug] And we are the leaders
in animal care and welfare.
1125
00:54:00,002 --> 00:54:03,382
And that then requires us
to take that position.
1126
00:54:03,482 --> 00:54:06,542
- It's not some
radical extreme view.
1127
00:54:06,642 --> 00:54:09,702
This is, we want
to keep your kids safe,
1128
00:54:09,802 --> 00:54:11,302
if you're our neighbors,
1129
00:54:11,402 --> 00:54:13,743
and we want to keep
the animals safe.
1130
00:54:13,843 --> 00:54:16,443
Why is anyone arguing
about that?
1131
00:54:26,523 --> 00:54:28,784
- I had a fan that used to
show up at my shows,
1132
00:54:28,884 --> 00:54:30,704
because I used to do live shows.
1133
00:54:30,804 --> 00:54:34,944
I would come to places
and show animals I rescued.
1134
00:54:35,044 --> 00:54:37,664
So he'd show up
and he'd talk about snakes.
1135
00:54:37,764 --> 00:54:39,744
He was big in snakes,
and he really loved--
1136
00:54:39,844 --> 00:54:43,825
I'd get him up and help him hold
the big 15-, 16-foot python.
1137
00:54:43,925 --> 00:54:46,465
He loved it, he loved
the snakes and the pythons.
1138
00:54:46,565 --> 00:54:48,465
And he saw me working
with these animals.
1139
00:54:48,565 --> 00:54:52,545
He watched all the newscasts
and all the TV shows I was on.
1140
00:54:52,645 --> 00:54:54,225
Go back to being a paramedic
1141
00:54:54,325 --> 00:54:57,265
after... being Jungle Tim
for while.
1142
00:54:57,365 --> 00:55:00,506
It's what I've done for national
shows and also local shows.
1143
00:55:00,606 --> 00:55:02,586
And this is what the kids
and the families like,
1144
00:55:02,686 --> 00:55:04,666
me come out with my jungle hat.
1145
00:55:04,766 --> 00:55:06,706
And it's kind of a persona
that they like.
1146
00:55:06,806 --> 00:55:09,626
There was pictures,
his sister showed me
1147
00:55:09,726 --> 00:55:12,826
and my friends of him
actually having a jungle hat
1148
00:55:12,926 --> 00:55:15,306
like I was wearing
and having a snake.
1149
00:55:15,406 --> 00:55:17,027
Well, these snakes here
are people's pets.
1150
00:55:17,127 --> 00:55:18,987
They'd be buying through
the Trading Post classified ads,
1151
00:55:19,087 --> 00:55:20,947
through advertisements.
What they see on national...
1152
00:55:21,047 --> 00:55:23,147
That's when I learned the
"monkey see, monkey do" thing
1153
00:55:23,247 --> 00:55:25,627
really hit me hard.
1154
00:55:25,727 --> 00:55:28,547
With Ted, they said
1155
00:55:28,647 --> 00:55:31,668
his girlfriend and he
were in the house,
1156
00:55:31,768 --> 00:55:34,348
and apparently Ted went down
and tried to get the snake
1157
00:55:34,448 --> 00:55:36,108
and fell into the snake,
into the cage.
1158
00:55:36,208 --> 00:55:37,388
The snake got hold of him.
1159
00:55:37,488 --> 00:55:40,868
It was a 15-foot
Burmese Python he had.
1160
00:55:40,968 --> 00:55:44,468
Constricted him
and killed him.
1161
00:55:44,568 --> 00:55:46,348
- [Woman] Please, the snake's
wrapped around his neck, ma'am.
1162
00:55:46,448 --> 00:55:48,829
Please, he's got blood all over.
Oh, my God, please!
1163
00:55:48,929 --> 00:55:50,469
[sirens wailing]
1164
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:52,569
Please!
1165
00:55:55,929 --> 00:56:00,269
- That changed me a lot
when it came to...
1166
00:56:00,369 --> 00:56:03,110
wanting to continue
doing like what Jack Hanna
1167
00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:05,110
and the rest of them do,
bringing animals out
1168
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:07,270
and showing them to people.
1169
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:09,310
I started realizing that maybe
1170
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:10,590
I'm part of the problem
in a sense,
1171
00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:11,990
I'm part of the solution.
1172
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:14,630
People were not listening.
1173
00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:16,590
I did not want to be
that person anymore.
1174
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:18,190
I didn't want
the jungle hat anymore.
1175
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:20,591
I didn't want to do
that stuff anymore.
1176
00:56:20,691 --> 00:56:23,711
These kids are gonna imitate it.
The adults are gonna imitate it.
1177
00:56:23,811 --> 00:56:27,671
And that's not the only person
I lost that I knew,
1178
00:56:27,771 --> 00:56:29,671
but that was the one that
actually looked me in the face
1179
00:56:29,771 --> 00:56:31,771
and call me his hero.
1180
00:56:42,252 --> 00:56:43,512
- [TV Presenter]
West, northwest around
1181
00:56:43,612 --> 00:56:45,872
18 miles per hour right now.
1182
00:56:45,972 --> 00:56:48,132
So a little bit breezy...
1183
00:56:56,293 --> 00:56:57,873
[turn signal ticking]
- Yeah, we're gonna
1184
00:56:57,973 --> 00:56:59,793
head on down this way.
Should be up a few blocks here.
1185
00:56:59,893 --> 00:57:01,893
[knocking on door]
On the left.
1186
00:57:04,813 --> 00:57:06,814
I need to go around back
and see what happens.
1187
00:57:09,414 --> 00:57:11,514
Hi, any of you guys
know Boone Smith?
1188
00:57:11,614 --> 00:57:13,274
- [Man] Yeah, Boone's next door.
1189
00:57:13,374 --> 00:57:14,994
- Well, we've got
the right spot.
1190
00:57:15,094 --> 00:57:16,554
This is the town he lives in.
1191
00:57:16,654 --> 00:57:18,514
[knocking on door]
1192
00:57:18,614 --> 00:57:20,114
I hate going to somebody's home,
1193
00:57:20,214 --> 00:57:22,715
I hate having to go
to their place of employment.
1194
00:57:22,815 --> 00:57:24,275
This is definitely his house.
1195
00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:26,395
But they're forcing me
to do this
1196
00:57:26,495 --> 00:57:29,275
when all they had to do is
get on the phone and call.
1197
00:57:29,375 --> 00:57:32,155
Gotta look for
a Sierra truck also, too.
1198
00:57:32,255 --> 00:57:35,455
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
1199
00:57:44,496 --> 00:57:45,996
Hey, Boone.
- [Boone] Found him.
1200
00:57:46,096 --> 00:57:48,756
- How you doing? Tim Harrison.
I'm a retired cop.
1201
00:57:48,856 --> 00:57:50,596
What I'm trying to do is
figure out what happens
1202
00:57:50,696 --> 00:57:53,196
to some of these cats that were
used as ambassador animals.
1203
00:57:53,296 --> 00:57:55,277
- Okay.
- See if you can't help me out.
1204
00:57:55,377 --> 00:57:57,277
You're my last resort, really.
- Okay.
1205
00:57:57,377 --> 00:57:59,377
- Do you have any idea
what happens to them at all?
1206
00:58:01,457 --> 00:58:03,117
- Your ambassador cats,
so it's kind of like one
1207
00:58:03,217 --> 00:58:05,217
of those situations where
we're trying to figure out.
1208
00:58:06,977 --> 00:58:09,737
- Think they do end up back
in zoos or some place like that?
1209
00:58:14,058 --> 00:58:16,058
- Okay, where you think
they come from then?
1210
00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:18,278
- Like facilities.
1211
00:58:18,378 --> 00:58:21,638
Would you think like private
owners or something like that?
1212
00:58:21,738 --> 00:58:24,038
Okay, it just makes me
aggravated because as we go out
1213
00:58:24,138 --> 00:58:26,799
to try to find these animals,
we can't find them.
1214
00:58:26,899 --> 00:58:29,579
That's scary, and to me, Boone,
that's not right.
1215
00:58:35,179 --> 00:58:37,439
- Where are they going?
If they're not going to
an accredited sanctuary,
1216
00:58:37,539 --> 00:58:39,039
where the hell
are these cats going?
1217
00:58:39,139 --> 00:58:40,719
When I go over
to the tiger projects,
1218
00:58:40,819 --> 00:58:43,360
we know where
those tigers are, okay?
1219
00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:45,560
We can't find a tiger
that was in your lap
1220
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:48,880
on a "Good Morning America,"
or something?
1221
00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:52,220
You know what I'm talking about.
You feel my pain, right?
1222
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:59,041
- All I care about is Jake,
1223
00:58:59,141 --> 00:59:01,521
all I care about is Jingles,
all I care about Queen.
1224
00:59:01,621 --> 00:59:04,521
I don't care about
what happens to you
or anybody else right now.
1225
00:59:04,621 --> 00:59:07,921
All I care about is these cats,
you see what I mean?
1226
00:59:08,021 --> 00:59:09,841
Take that with you,
but I want you to hold on to it.
1227
00:59:09,941 --> 00:59:12,161
No, you have to keep that
because later on
you're gonna want
1228
00:59:12,261 --> 00:59:14,162
to know why you didn't call me,
you really are.
1229
00:59:14,262 --> 00:59:16,262
No, you really are.
1230
00:59:19,822 --> 00:59:21,822
I need a shower.
1231
00:59:23,342 --> 00:59:25,922
[engine turns over]
1232
00:59:26,022 --> 00:59:29,603
Same garbage, same bull
1233
00:59:29,703 --> 00:59:32,003
that every one of them said,
1234
00:59:32,103 --> 00:59:34,843
same garbage, same bull,
same everything.
1235
00:59:34,943 --> 00:59:38,403
[tense music]
1236
00:59:38,503 --> 00:59:40,923
I told him, I said,
"These cats are missing."
1237
00:59:41,023 --> 00:59:44,363
And here he is, the number one
big cat expert in the world,
1238
00:59:44,463 --> 00:59:46,644
and he, "I don't know,
I can't help you."
1239
00:59:46,744 --> 00:59:48,564
- [Boone] You're asking--
- You don't know.
1240
00:59:48,664 --> 00:59:50,204
- You're asking questions.
1241
00:59:50,304 --> 00:59:52,764
- I hand him the folder,
and he holds it in his hand,
1242
00:59:52,864 --> 00:59:56,364
doesn't even look at it.
He tries to give it back to me.
1243
00:59:56,464 --> 01:00:00,124
- No, you have to keep that...
Here's a folder with your cats,
1244
01:00:00,224 --> 01:00:02,365
your ambassador animals
are missing.
1245
01:00:02,465 --> 01:00:03,845
And he pushes them back at me
1246
01:00:03,945 --> 01:00:06,685
'cause he does not want that
in his hands.
1247
01:00:06,785 --> 01:00:08,125
...why you didn't call me,
you really are.
1248
01:00:08,225 --> 01:00:09,565
No, you really are.
1249
01:00:09,665 --> 01:00:11,445
- Jingles is a Bengal tiger,
another one
1250
01:00:11,545 --> 01:00:13,485
of our animal ambassadors.
[tiger meows]
1251
01:00:13,585 --> 01:00:15,205
One of the animals that we
highlight in this--
1252
01:00:15,305 --> 01:00:16,565
[tiger yowling]
1253
01:00:16,665 --> 01:00:18,606
- [Savannah] What does
that sound mean?
1254
01:00:18,706 --> 01:00:21,366
- Right off the bat,
he admitted to it.
1255
01:00:21,466 --> 01:00:23,646
He admitted to what
I've been saying for years,
1256
01:00:23,746 --> 01:00:24,966
that these animals are coming
1257
01:00:25,066 --> 01:00:27,526
from private dealers,
private people.
1258
01:00:27,626 --> 01:00:29,726
- This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.
1259
01:00:29,826 --> 01:00:32,086
- Straight forward,
right to my face,
1260
01:00:32,186 --> 01:00:35,047
do they go to zoos?
"No."
1261
01:00:35,147 --> 01:00:36,847
Do they go to private people?
1262
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:38,287
"Yes."
1263
01:00:38,387 --> 01:00:41,647
That's historic,
that's absolutely amazing.
1264
01:00:41,747 --> 01:00:44,187
That explains it all.
1265
01:00:45,707 --> 01:00:47,707
- [Boone] I guess
I shouldn't say.
1266
01:00:49,788 --> 01:00:52,448
- [Man] As Jake grows up, what's
gonna be in store for him?
1267
01:00:52,548 --> 01:00:54,488
- Jake is at a zoo,
1268
01:00:54,588 --> 01:00:57,808
and he's what we call
an ambassador animal.
1269
01:00:57,908 --> 01:01:00,848
- Is it true that their skin
is actually striped too?
1270
01:01:00,948 --> 01:01:02,168
- Yeah, underneath, yeah.
1271
01:01:02,268 --> 01:01:03,408
The cool thing
about their stripes,
1272
01:01:03,508 --> 01:01:06,009
it's like a fingerprint for us.
1273
01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:09,129
It's an individual pattern
that is specific to him
and identifies him.
1274
01:01:09,229 --> 01:01:10,609
And that's a really cool thing
about tigers.
1275
01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:12,889
They can identify him
by his stripes.
1276
01:01:12,989 --> 01:01:14,609
- What's unique about the tiger,
1277
01:01:14,709 --> 01:01:16,689
and it's unlike the lions
and some of the other cats,
1278
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:19,769
is that their stripes
are just like our fingerprints.
1279
01:01:19,869 --> 01:01:22,170
No two are alike,
and they never change.
1280
01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:24,410
So if you have a good photo,
or a good video,
1281
01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:26,130
you can actually identify
that tiger
1282
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:28,750
when it's an infant
all the way throughout its life.
1283
01:01:31,550 --> 01:01:33,490
So I wanna update you guys
on a little progress.
1284
01:01:33,590 --> 01:01:35,370
I think I've got something
very interesting
1285
01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:36,971
you guys may wanna see.
1286
01:01:37,071 --> 01:01:41,131
It's utilizing how we can
identify the tigers,
1287
01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:42,971
individual tigers
by their stripes.
1288
01:01:43,071 --> 01:01:45,491
- We'll put it on right now.
- Tee it up.
1289
01:01:45,591 --> 01:01:47,611
- [Jeff] So I started trying
to match the stripes
1290
01:01:47,711 --> 01:01:49,771
on the tigers
we are looking for
1291
01:01:49,871 --> 01:01:53,132
with stripes on the tigers
out there on social media.
1292
01:01:53,232 --> 01:01:55,052
And I came across this post.
1293
01:01:55,152 --> 01:01:57,572
It's a tiger cub being exploited
at the same time
1294
01:01:57,672 --> 01:01:59,732
that Boone Smith had a cub.
1295
01:01:59,832 --> 01:02:03,292
And the post refers
to the same name, Jake.
1296
01:02:03,392 --> 01:02:04,852
- [Boone] Yeah, this is Jake.
1297
01:02:04,952 --> 01:02:06,852
And he's here to teach us
a little bit about
1298
01:02:06,952 --> 01:02:08,373
some of these big cats.
1299
01:02:08,473 --> 01:02:10,733
- Wow.
- [Jeff] Now here's the kicker.
1300
01:02:10,833 --> 01:02:14,573
The post is from
Cyndi Huntsman in Ohio,
1301
01:02:14,673 --> 01:02:16,693
and the tiger's being used
as a mascot
1302
01:02:16,793 --> 01:02:20,413
for a high school football team
called the Massillon Tigers.
1303
01:02:20,513 --> 01:02:22,453
- Yeah.
I'm from Ohio.
1304
01:02:22,553 --> 01:02:23,974
And the Massillon High School's
1305
01:02:24,074 --> 01:02:26,894
a very well known
football dynasty up there.
1306
01:02:26,994 --> 01:02:28,814
And for years,
and years, and years,
1307
01:02:28,914 --> 01:02:33,294
they used a tiger cub to promote
their Friday night lights.
1308
01:02:33,394 --> 01:02:35,614
So each tiger cub
was called Obie.
1309
01:02:35,714 --> 01:02:38,054
So what it is,
is that every year,
they'd get an Obie,
1310
01:02:38,154 --> 01:02:40,615
sometimes an Obie would die,
they'd get another Obie.
1311
01:02:40,715 --> 01:02:42,695
And it's still counted
as Obie One, Obie Two,
1312
01:02:42,795 --> 01:02:45,175
Obie Three, Obie Four.
And then to be moved on
1313
01:02:45,275 --> 01:02:48,015
after you're no longer used
who knows where.
1314
01:02:48,115 --> 01:02:51,015
- [Jeff] Yeah, that's what
I'm looking at right here.
1315
01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,115
[children chanting "Obie"]
1316
01:02:56,556 --> 01:03:00,136
They, you know, drag him around
these huge student gatherings
1317
01:03:00,236 --> 01:03:03,056
in elementary schools
with hundreds of kids screaming.
1318
01:03:03,156 --> 01:03:05,416
[kids screaming]
1319
01:03:05,516 --> 01:03:07,016
- This is unbelievable.
1320
01:03:07,116 --> 01:03:08,576
- [Jeff] The tiger actually
has physical contact
1321
01:03:08,676 --> 01:03:11,216
with the kids
on a couple of occasions.
1322
01:03:11,316 --> 01:03:14,237
[kids screaming]
1323
01:03:17,277 --> 01:03:18,937
- And yet this is a facility
where the USDA
1324
01:03:19,037 --> 01:03:22,137
continued to renew
this person's license.
1325
01:03:22,237 --> 01:03:24,497
- This is the same place that
Jack Hanna gets his cats from,
1326
01:03:24,597 --> 01:03:25,617
The Stump Hill Farm.
1327
01:03:25,717 --> 01:03:27,718
[kids screaming]
1328
01:03:30,758 --> 01:03:33,098
- [Jeff] So here's where it
gets really interesting.
1329
01:03:33,198 --> 01:03:35,338
So I went and got some
screen captures
1330
01:03:35,438 --> 01:03:38,898
when Boone Smith had Jake
on "The Today Show."
1331
01:03:38,998 --> 01:03:41,618
And when I looked
at that same time period,
1332
01:03:41,718 --> 01:03:43,739
the Massillon High School
tiger mascot was
1333
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:46,539
Obie number 43.
1334
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:48,099
And then I lined up
those stripes,
1335
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,299
stripes line up exactly.
1336
01:03:50,399 --> 01:03:52,939
So I got a fingerprint
100% match.
1337
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,579
Jake is Obie number 43.
1338
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:58,859
- Absolutely.
Good, good job, good job.
1339
01:03:58,959 --> 01:04:01,940
- Arc over the right eye.
- Yeah.
1340
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,740
- [Boone] Everybody that I know
we've used in the past,
1341
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,100
they're licensed and legit.
1342
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,200
Like the time
I've been involved...
1343
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,420
- [Jeff] Just to be clear,
this was going on the same time
1344
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,781
that Boone Smith was using Jake
as an ambassador cat.
1345
01:04:19,881 --> 01:04:21,621
- ...is to let people know
that these guys
1346
01:04:21,721 --> 01:04:25,341
are in danger
and we need to protect them.
1347
01:04:25,441 --> 01:04:27,101
We wanna do what we can
to bring awareness,
1348
01:04:27,201 --> 01:04:29,301
to help people
have some knowledge
1349
01:04:29,401 --> 01:04:31,702
that we need to do some things
and step in and save these guys
1350
01:04:31,802 --> 01:04:34,582
before they do get in trouble.
1351
01:04:34,682 --> 01:04:37,622
[melancholy music]
1352
01:04:37,722 --> 01:04:41,602
♪♪
1353
01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:01,823
- To do this all the time,
1354
01:05:01,923 --> 01:05:04,064
you're talking about a lot
of young animals.
1355
01:05:04,164 --> 01:05:05,624
- [Tim] Every year,
it's new every year.
1356
01:05:05,724 --> 01:05:06,944
- Every a year, and every show
1357
01:05:07,044 --> 01:05:08,904
you have to have
something different.
1358
01:05:09,004 --> 01:05:11,464
Where are all these animals?
1359
01:05:11,564 --> 01:05:14,504
[upbeat music]
1360
01:05:14,604 --> 01:05:19,825
♪♪
1361
01:05:19,925 --> 01:05:21,785
[tigers growling]
1362
01:05:21,885 --> 01:05:25,305
These little guys are
a little over a year old.
1363
01:05:25,405 --> 01:05:27,025
We got them at the start
1364
01:05:27,125 --> 01:05:29,425
of the picture cub season
last year.
1365
01:05:29,525 --> 01:05:33,505
They'll be here
for 18 to 20 more years.
1366
01:05:33,605 --> 01:05:35,546
- [Tim] I've known
Mary Haven for years.
1367
01:05:35,646 --> 01:05:37,346
She does a great job.
1368
01:05:37,446 --> 01:05:41,266
Her whole mission is to care
for other people's mistakes.
1369
01:05:41,366 --> 01:05:42,506
- It's like a puppy mill.
1370
01:05:42,606 --> 01:05:44,266
It's the same thing
as a puppy mill,
1371
01:05:44,366 --> 01:05:46,386
only bigger and...
1372
01:05:46,486 --> 01:05:47,426
- [Tim] More dangerous.
1373
01:05:47,526 --> 01:05:48,386
- [Mary] More dangerous, yeah.
1374
01:05:48,486 --> 01:05:50,187
[tiger growling]
1375
01:05:50,287 --> 01:05:52,947
- [Tim] It's a great facility,
it's not open to the public.
1376
01:05:53,047 --> 01:05:54,827
Most people don't
even know it exists.
1377
01:05:54,927 --> 01:05:56,147
- I don't know
where he came from,
1378
01:05:56,247 --> 01:05:57,947
but I do know
he went to the circus.
1379
01:05:58,047 --> 01:06:00,427
- [Tim] The circus, okay.
It's only a few of us
1380
01:06:00,527 --> 01:06:02,387
big cat people
in the rescue business
1381
01:06:02,487 --> 01:06:04,467
that know that she even has
a place down there.
1382
01:06:04,567 --> 01:06:07,468
- [Mary] And also, we let
all the growth in the cages
1383
01:06:07,568 --> 01:06:09,148
grow up because
it's cooler for them,
1384
01:06:09,248 --> 01:06:10,628
and they love to hide in it.
1385
01:06:10,728 --> 01:06:11,748
If we were open to the public,
1386
01:06:11,848 --> 01:06:13,228
that's not gonna
be very pleasing
1387
01:06:13,328 --> 01:06:15,548
because they're never
gonna see an animal.
1388
01:06:15,648 --> 01:06:17,188
- [Tim] If I had
endangered species,
1389
01:06:17,288 --> 01:06:19,548
that I've been using
as ambassador animals,
1390
01:06:19,648 --> 01:06:22,429
where would be a perfect place
for me to dump these animals?
1391
01:06:22,529 --> 01:06:24,509
- That they will
let them come here
1392
01:06:24,609 --> 01:06:27,149
is because I don't name names.
It's not that I don't want to...
1393
01:06:27,249 --> 01:06:29,349
- [Tim] It would be hidden
in the hills of Tennessee,
1394
01:06:29,449 --> 01:06:32,829
out of sight, out of mind.
1395
01:06:32,929 --> 01:06:35,429
- And how old are these,
you said?
1396
01:06:35,529 --> 01:06:37,710
- [Mary] Almost two.
1397
01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:41,790
- Jingles was born in...
wait a minute.
1398
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:45,230
No.
1399
01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:48,750
- [Mary] Come on, buddy,
Sven, come here, boy.
1400
01:06:48,850 --> 01:06:50,110
- [Tim] So this is Sven, huh?
1401
01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:51,350
- Come here, come, come.
1402
01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:53,711
[leopard growls]
He'll snarl.
1403
01:06:53,811 --> 01:06:55,711
- [Tim] So Sven and Olaf.
1404
01:06:55,811 --> 01:06:58,831
- [Mary] Yeah.
1405
01:06:58,931 --> 01:07:00,351
- [Tim] So you know,
I'm just not used to seeing
1406
01:07:00,451 --> 01:07:04,351
a snow leopard
in a rescue environment.
1407
01:07:04,451 --> 01:07:07,191
- There are not
as many snow leopards
in the private market,
1408
01:07:07,291 --> 01:07:09,752
which is where most
rescue animals come from.
1409
01:07:09,852 --> 01:07:11,392
[camera clicks]
1410
01:07:11,492 --> 01:07:17,392
So it is more rare
for a sanctuary to have them.
1411
01:07:17,492 --> 01:07:19,552
- Where did these guys
come from?
1412
01:07:19,652 --> 01:07:21,032
- They came
from a facility in Kansas
1413
01:07:21,132 --> 01:07:25,593
that does a lot of breeding
of AZA animals.
1414
01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:28,453
And that's where they came from.
1415
01:07:35,573 --> 01:07:39,873
- We have the most adorable
snow leopard.
1416
01:07:39,973 --> 01:07:41,794
- [Jack] If they start
crying a little bit,
1417
01:07:41,894 --> 01:07:44,114
everyone at home,
they're doing fine.
1418
01:07:44,214 --> 01:07:45,834
- Oh, this poor guy is scared.
- [Jack] And that fur--
1419
01:07:45,934 --> 01:07:47,394
you see, George,
you feel that fur?
1420
01:07:47,494 --> 01:07:49,554
- Is there a possibility
Sven and Olaf
1421
01:07:49,654 --> 01:07:53,234
were potentially used
as a cub on TV?
1422
01:07:53,334 --> 01:07:54,594
- No, I don't think they do
1423
01:07:54,694 --> 01:07:56,154
any commercial activities
like that.
1424
01:07:56,254 --> 01:07:59,435
They do not do
any handling within the zoo.
1425
01:07:59,535 --> 01:08:01,235
And as far as I know,
1426
01:08:01,335 --> 01:08:04,395
I don't know of any of them
that go off site with animals,
1427
01:08:04,495 --> 01:08:07,215
or entertainment industries
at all.
1428
01:08:11,335 --> 01:08:14,796
If you're gonna be
accredited by the AZA,
1429
01:08:14,896 --> 01:08:16,236
there are certain rules
and standards
1430
01:08:16,336 --> 01:08:17,996
that have to be followed,
1431
01:08:18,096 --> 01:08:21,796
or you will be eliminated
from the accreditation.
1432
01:08:21,896 --> 01:08:23,436
- Six to 12,000, 15,000 feet,
1433
01:08:23,536 --> 01:08:25,276
there's very few left in
the world, we don't even know.
1434
01:08:25,376 --> 01:08:27,396
They're beyond
critically endangered right now.
1435
01:08:27,496 --> 01:08:29,037
The animals,
when they get...
1436
01:08:29,137 --> 01:08:31,597
- This is a snow leopard, so--
[leopard grunting]
1437
01:08:31,697 --> 01:08:32,797
- [Woman] What's he
doing that for right now?
1438
01:08:32,897 --> 01:08:34,597
- [Man] He wants down time.
1439
01:08:34,697 --> 01:08:36,757
- I think that you got lied to.
1440
01:08:36,857 --> 01:08:39,877
This is Sven and Olaf
on "Good Morning America,"
1441
01:08:39,977 --> 01:08:43,117
they haven't hardly had
their eyes open yet, all right?
1442
01:08:43,217 --> 01:08:46,518
A VIP party with Jack Hanna.
It's quite stunning.
1443
01:08:46,618 --> 01:08:49,038
This is Wrigley Field,
1444
01:08:49,138 --> 01:08:50,398
and they were
passing them around,
1445
01:08:50,498 --> 01:08:52,038
so everybody get
their pictures taken.
1446
01:08:52,138 --> 01:08:53,918
This is the coach
dragging Sven.
1447
01:08:54,018 --> 01:08:56,478
He didn't wanna go,
and he was dragging him along.
1448
01:08:56,578 --> 01:08:58,198
Those two little ones
that were so small
1449
01:08:58,298 --> 01:09:00,719
their eyes were about--
still almost closed,
1450
01:09:00,819 --> 01:09:04,199
being transferred around
from motel to van.
1451
01:09:04,299 --> 01:09:07,479
- It's definitely not good
for their health
1452
01:09:07,579 --> 01:09:08,719
to take them
when they're that young.
1453
01:09:08,819 --> 01:09:10,999
It's very, very stressful.
1454
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:16,800
I didn't know they'd been
used for, um, encounters.
1455
01:09:16,900 --> 01:09:20,480
That may attribute to
1456
01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:23,640
having lost some of them
at early ages.
1457
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:25,720
The little lion,
he was still very young.
1458
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:29,560
He was like maybe
a year and a half at the most.
1459
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:31,800
There's several,
and we really...
1460
01:09:31,900 --> 01:09:33,721
- After our trip
to Tiger Haven,
1461
01:09:33,821 --> 01:09:37,041
where we were surprised
that they had
1462
01:09:37,141 --> 01:09:39,081
two endangered snow leopards,
1463
01:09:39,181 --> 01:09:44,641
we're talking, and we find out
that it wasn't just two.
1464
01:09:44,741 --> 01:09:49,402
That she had had, I don't know,
four or five, maybe six.
1465
01:09:49,502 --> 01:09:52,522
- We have gotten
several snow leopards.
1466
01:09:52,622 --> 01:09:55,682
- Why are they being sent
to a rescue facility anyway?
1467
01:09:55,782 --> 01:09:57,922
They're an endangered specie.
1468
01:09:58,022 --> 01:10:02,282
Not only that, but they're not
living long, they're dying.
1469
01:10:02,382 --> 01:10:04,323
- We've lost several
snow leopards.
1470
01:10:04,423 --> 01:10:06,563
They are not the healthiest
animals in the world.
1471
01:10:06,663 --> 01:10:08,283
- The fortunate part of it
1472
01:10:08,383 --> 01:10:11,123
is that the Species
Survival Program
1473
01:10:11,223 --> 01:10:13,883
has studbooks
for the snow leopard,
1474
01:10:13,983 --> 01:10:16,083
where each and every
snow leopard
1475
01:10:16,183 --> 01:10:19,363
is supposed to be tracked
from birth to death.
1476
01:10:19,463 --> 01:10:21,564
[dramatic music]
1477
01:10:21,664 --> 01:10:26,164
There's a pretty common path
to Tiger Haven.
1478
01:10:26,264 --> 01:10:29,684
They're coming from a place
called Tanganyika,
1479
01:10:29,784 --> 01:10:32,284
which is out in Kansas.
1480
01:10:32,384 --> 01:10:37,045
Tanganyika is
a non-AZA facility,
1481
01:10:37,145 --> 01:10:41,605
and they have a pattern
of transferring them out.
1482
01:10:41,705 --> 01:10:45,645
The Columbus Zoo is a very
common place where they're sent
1483
01:10:45,745 --> 01:10:49,765
as early as days to weeks
of their birth.
1484
01:10:49,865 --> 01:10:51,325
- [Sam Champion]
So when do the eyes open?
1485
01:10:51,425 --> 01:10:52,686
Because they look
like they're just...
1486
01:10:52,786 --> 01:10:55,366
- They're only there
for six months.
1487
01:10:55,466 --> 01:10:57,966
They go right back
to Tanganyika.
1488
01:10:58,066 --> 01:10:59,566
Then they will go
to other places.
1489
01:10:59,666 --> 01:11:02,766
We see what looks like
just people's names,
1490
01:11:02,866 --> 01:11:06,446
and one of them
we found out is a magician.
1491
01:11:06,546 --> 01:11:10,487
So there's-- there's a lot
of concern here.
1492
01:11:10,587 --> 01:11:13,487
As you get into
the more recent population,
1493
01:11:13,587 --> 01:11:18,767
we start seeing
a lot of "LTF,"
1494
01:11:18,867 --> 01:11:20,047
"lost to follow up."
1495
01:11:20,147 --> 01:11:23,127
[keyboard clacking]
1496
01:11:23,227 --> 01:11:26,408
In regard to long-term
research studies,
1497
01:11:26,508 --> 01:11:30,088
"lost to follow up" means
you lose track of someone.
1498
01:11:30,188 --> 01:11:31,488
So whatever reason,
1499
01:11:31,588 --> 01:11:34,728
sometimes you're
going to have an LTF.
1500
01:11:34,828 --> 01:11:37,928
Throughout the first,
I mean, over 100 years,
1501
01:11:38,028 --> 01:11:42,609
all of these pages, you see
very few "lost to follow up."
1502
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:46,609
That's the sign
of a legitimate program, right?
1503
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:49,009
And then all of a sudden
in these recent years,
1504
01:11:49,109 --> 01:11:52,769
you see Columbus Zoo,
Tanganyika,
1505
01:11:52,869 --> 01:11:54,449
and then whatever other place,
1506
01:11:54,549 --> 01:11:57,170
and it immediately lists it
as a "lost to follow up."
1507
01:11:57,270 --> 01:12:00,530
[keyboard clacking]
1508
01:12:00,630 --> 01:12:03,770
And just a rough count,
I'm somewhere up to
1509
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:07,610
about 13 or 14 from Tanganyika.
1510
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:09,730
And that's more than
we saw in the first
1511
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:12,491
at least 90 years
of the program.
1512
01:12:12,591 --> 01:12:14,291
- [Jack] Then what we call
the Species Survival Plan,
1513
01:12:14,391 --> 01:12:15,851
which means we know where
every one of them is located.
1514
01:12:15,951 --> 01:12:17,091
We have chips in these.
1515
01:12:17,191 --> 01:12:19,771
- This is a pattern of dumping.
1516
01:12:19,871 --> 01:12:25,211
It's a way of washing their
hands of that snow leopard.
1517
01:12:25,311 --> 01:12:28,292
Nobody's going to
follow up after that.
1518
01:12:28,392 --> 01:12:31,492
They assume it's gone.
1519
01:12:31,592 --> 01:12:34,812
- So, nobody even-- the only
people that know these animals
1520
01:12:34,912 --> 01:12:37,492
are here is us,
pretty much?
1521
01:12:37,592 --> 01:12:39,692
- Pretty much.
1522
01:12:39,792 --> 01:12:41,652
- Species Survival Plan
with American Zoo
and Aquarium Association,
1523
01:12:41,752 --> 01:12:42,993
which means we know where
every one of them is located.
1524
01:12:43,073 --> 01:12:44,573
We have chips in these.
1525
01:12:44,673 --> 01:12:46,453
Again, a snow leopard,
what you're holding here,
1526
01:12:46,553 --> 01:12:48,133
there's very few left in
the world, we don't even know.
1527
01:12:48,233 --> 01:12:49,853
They're beyond critically
endangered right now.
1528
01:12:49,953 --> 01:12:51,933
- [Keith] Right here.
- Now how old are these?
1529
01:12:52,033 --> 01:12:53,333
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.
1530
01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:55,013
- [Sam] Eight weeks old.
- Eight weeks old.
1531
01:12:55,113 --> 01:12:56,493
- [Sam] So when do
the eyes open?
1532
01:12:56,593 --> 01:12:58,093
'Cause they look like
they're just barely
1533
01:12:58,193 --> 01:13:00,654
opening up.
1534
01:13:00,754 --> 01:13:04,814
- The studbook records,
these cats are five weeks old.
1535
01:13:04,914 --> 01:13:06,414
And what I don't get is,
1536
01:13:06,514 --> 01:13:08,934
what difference
does that make to Jack
1537
01:13:09,034 --> 01:13:11,214
whether they're eight weeks old
or five weeks old?
1538
01:13:11,314 --> 01:13:13,214
- I'll tell you exactly
what difference it makes.
1539
01:13:13,314 --> 01:13:16,175
It's a difference between
violating industry standards
1540
01:13:16,275 --> 01:13:19,415
for public contact with cubs
under eight weeks of age,
1541
01:13:19,515 --> 01:13:20,935
and not violating
those standards.
1542
01:13:21,035 --> 01:13:22,335
- Wow.
1543
01:13:22,435 --> 01:13:25,255
- It is highly reckless
and irresponsible
1544
01:13:25,355 --> 01:13:29,415
to have cats whose immune
systems are still compromised,
1545
01:13:29,515 --> 01:13:32,056
passed around
on a morning talk show,
1546
01:13:32,156 --> 01:13:35,056
presented as being older
than they really are.
1547
01:13:35,156 --> 01:13:36,736
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.
1548
01:13:36,836 --> 01:13:39,936
- So it is no surprise to me
that Hanna is telling
1549
01:13:40,036 --> 01:13:42,336
these hosts that this cat
is eight weeks old
1550
01:13:42,436 --> 01:13:44,576
when this cat
is not eight weeks old.
1551
01:13:44,676 --> 01:13:46,617
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.
1552
01:13:46,717 --> 01:13:48,537
Rob and Sam, these are one
of the rarest cats in the world,
1553
01:13:48,637 --> 01:13:50,097
live in the Himalayas,
1554
01:13:50,197 --> 01:13:51,417
and these animals
live anywhere from
1555
01:13:51,517 --> 01:13:54,097
6,000 to 12,000, 15,000 feet.
1556
01:13:54,197 --> 01:13:55,777
- Looking through these records,
1557
01:13:55,877 --> 01:13:57,337
they are literally
being subjected
1558
01:13:57,437 --> 01:13:59,817
to the most detrimental
circumstances
1559
01:13:59,917 --> 01:14:01,217
immediately upon birth.
1560
01:14:01,317 --> 01:14:03,398
- Oh, snow leopard.
1561
01:14:07,438 --> 01:14:09,458
- Tearing cats away
from their mothers,
1562
01:14:09,558 --> 01:14:11,618
forcing them to appear
on television shows
1563
01:14:11,718 --> 01:14:13,718
when they are
immunocompromised.
1564
01:14:15,758 --> 01:14:18,699
- All of this is harmful,
and we see that
1565
01:14:18,799 --> 01:14:20,219
manifesting in their death.
1566
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:22,019
- [Jack] These guys
are only a few weeks old.
1567
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:24,979
- [Keith] We know that this
is Casper at five weeks old.
1568
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:28,419
Casper was dead
at two years old.
1569
01:14:28,519 --> 01:14:29,619
- This is not working.
1570
01:14:29,719 --> 01:14:31,339
We've got death, death, death.
1571
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,540
Lost to follow up, which means
most likely dead too.
1572
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,020
- 21 days or so,
send it Columbus,
1573
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,980
three days later,
it's dead at Columbus.
1574
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,700
- This is a snow leopard, one of
the rarest cats in the world.
1575
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,500
This animal lives in Nepal,
Tibet, at very high altitudes.
1576
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,061
And they're absolutely one
of the most fantastic cats
in the entire world.
1577
01:14:50,161 --> 01:14:51,701
- [Woman]
So how old is this one?
1578
01:14:51,801 --> 01:14:54,741
- Looking through the annual
reports from Tanganyika,
1579
01:14:54,841 --> 01:14:59,341
they list only one death
of a snow leopard,
1580
01:14:59,441 --> 01:15:01,701
and that was at age 18.
1581
01:15:01,801 --> 01:15:03,461
- It's a liability
on their record.
1582
01:15:03,561 --> 01:15:05,502
They're sandbagging
their record,
1583
01:15:05,602 --> 01:15:07,502
and the book shows it perfect.
1584
01:15:07,602 --> 01:15:10,542
Once it gets LTF on here,
there's no more record.
1585
01:15:10,642 --> 01:15:11,822
- Wow.
1586
01:15:11,922 --> 01:15:14,462
- This is just
extremely troubling.
1587
01:15:14,562 --> 01:15:16,262
- Something's gotta be done.
1588
01:15:16,362 --> 01:15:18,462
I gave him a free pass
for a long, long time,
1589
01:15:18,562 --> 01:15:20,622
and I knew something was wrong,
1590
01:15:20,722 --> 01:15:22,343
but I wasn't quite sure.
1591
01:15:22,443 --> 01:15:24,703
And I kinda put
a blind eye to it,
1592
01:15:24,803 --> 01:15:26,343
and I did what
everybody else did,
1593
01:15:26,443 --> 01:15:27,943
and said, "That's just Jack."
1594
01:15:28,043 --> 01:15:30,943
[dramatic music]
1595
01:15:31,043 --> 01:15:34,923
♪♪
1596
01:15:41,404 --> 01:15:46,144
There's times I sit and I think
about what's gonna happen.
1597
01:15:46,244 --> 01:15:47,864
[audience laughs]
- That's how we did it.
1598
01:15:47,964 --> 01:15:49,784
I said for the first show
I brought a hippo...
1599
01:15:49,884 --> 01:15:52,224
- It bothers me
that I have to go down
1600
01:15:52,324 --> 01:15:55,545
and go face to face
with my, uh-- my hero.
1601
01:15:55,645 --> 01:15:57,785
I'm thinking, man!
1602
01:15:57,885 --> 01:16:00,705
[audience applause]
1603
01:16:00,805 --> 01:16:03,845
And I think about what's
gonna be the effect of this.
1604
01:16:06,765 --> 01:16:09,626
There's a part of me
that doesn't want to expose him.
1605
01:16:09,726 --> 01:16:11,786
There's a part of me that wants
to leave him as the Jack
1606
01:16:11,886 --> 01:16:13,426
that I knew when I was a kid.
1607
01:16:13,526 --> 01:16:15,766
- Hey, everybody.
1608
01:16:20,726 --> 01:16:22,146
- And then there's a part of me
that sits there,
1609
01:16:22,246 --> 01:16:24,747
and I think about
all those endangered species
1610
01:16:24,847 --> 01:16:28,167
sitting on his lap,
I see their faces.
1611
01:16:31,207 --> 01:16:32,507
[audience applause]
- Thank you so much.
1612
01:16:32,607 --> 01:16:34,227
- I can't step back
and allow this
1613
01:16:34,327 --> 01:16:38,747
to continue happening
because they don't have a voice.
1614
01:16:38,847 --> 01:16:40,848
[crowd muttering]
1615
01:16:44,128 --> 01:16:45,708
I approach him,
and I ask him for help,
1616
01:16:45,808 --> 01:16:47,068
and I show him the faces.
1617
01:16:47,168 --> 01:16:49,068
It's gonna be totally
in his ballpark,
1618
01:16:49,168 --> 01:16:51,708
because what his reaction is,
1619
01:16:51,808 --> 01:16:53,968
is how this investigation
is gonna continue.
1620
01:16:57,129 --> 01:16:58,869
Hey, Jack.
- [Jack] How you doing?
1621
01:16:58,969 --> 01:17:01,349
- [Tim] How you doing, man?
I just wanna stop and say hi.
1622
01:17:01,449 --> 01:17:03,549
I wanted to talk to you too.
- [Jack] No problem.
1623
01:17:03,649 --> 01:17:05,709
- But the problem is,
is that we've been doing
a little investigation.
1624
01:17:05,809 --> 01:17:07,189
We're trying to find out
what happens
1625
01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:08,949
to the ambassador cats
after they're done with.
1626
01:17:09,049 --> 01:17:10,629
- Right, right.
- And what we've done is that--
1627
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:12,790
- Here's Suzi Rapp.
- Hey, how you doing?
1628
01:17:12,890 --> 01:17:14,550
You probably don't remember,
Tim Harrison.
1629
01:17:14,650 --> 01:17:16,950
- Suzi Rapp's been with me
since I was 39 years at the zoo.
1630
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:18,670
- Yeah.
- She now is called by everybody
1631
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:20,430
in the country when it comes
to cheetahs or any cat.
1632
01:17:20,530 --> 01:17:22,310
- [Suzi] I'm on the Animal
Welfare Committee.
1633
01:17:22,410 --> 01:17:23,870
- [Tim] I know exactly
who you are.
1634
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:25,710
It's very impressive.
I was telling Jack,
1635
01:17:25,810 --> 01:17:27,670
we're in the process
of doing an investigation
1636
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:30,631
on what happens
to the ambassador cats.
1637
01:17:30,731 --> 01:17:32,711
Once they're done with
on the circuit,
1638
01:17:32,811 --> 01:17:34,791
where do they go?
'Cause we have like 200 of them,
1639
01:17:34,891 --> 01:17:37,111
and I narrowed it down to 25.
1640
01:17:37,211 --> 01:17:39,831
Yeah, it goes back, and it goes
all the way through here too.
1641
01:17:39,931 --> 01:17:41,671
You can see the different cats.
- [Suzi] Yeah, yeah.
1642
01:17:41,771 --> 01:17:43,551
- [Jack] These animals here,
you know about the Wilds, right?
1643
01:17:43,651 --> 01:17:45,632
- [Tim] Oh, yeah,
beautiful place.
1644
01:17:45,732 --> 01:17:47,832
- [Jack] 10,000 acres.
- [Tim] So these cats
are at the Wilds?
1645
01:17:47,932 --> 01:17:49,912
- [Jack] Well, no, we have them
there, but let's say the Wilds,
1646
01:17:50,012 --> 01:17:52,472
Suzi Rapp, that's up to her.
She runs the show.
1647
01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:54,232
- [Tim] Oh, okay.
- [Jack] Let's say somebody
had to bring an animal
1648
01:17:54,332 --> 01:17:55,632
out there, and they want
to have some there,
1649
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:56,672
obviously they'll go
to the Wilds.
1650
01:17:56,772 --> 01:17:58,872
But these cats, like I said,
1651
01:17:58,972 --> 01:18:01,193
they're like incredible
where they go...
1652
01:18:01,293 --> 01:18:03,293
- [Tim]
They're the ambassador cats.
1653
01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:13,713
And also I just wanna
verify something.
1654
01:18:13,813 --> 01:18:15,874
I was just back from
Senator Portman's office,
1655
01:18:15,974 --> 01:18:18,194
and he told me,
and I was shocked,
1656
01:18:18,294 --> 01:18:20,474
because I'm pushing for
the Big Cat Public Safety Act,
1657
01:18:20,574 --> 01:18:22,434
I'm pushing for it,
and he told me,
1658
01:18:22,534 --> 01:18:23,914
he said,
"No, I'm not going to do it.
1659
01:18:24,014 --> 01:18:25,354
"'Cause Jack Hanna
doesn't wanna do it,
1660
01:18:25,454 --> 01:18:27,114
and the Columbus Zoo
doesn't want to do it."
1661
01:18:27,214 --> 01:18:28,434
That's why I'm here to ask.
- [Suzi] Can I tell you why?
1662
01:18:28,534 --> 01:18:29,794
- [Tim] Yeah.
Okay, I wanna hear.
1663
01:18:29,894 --> 01:18:31,554
- [Suzi] Because you're
gonna shut down...
1664
01:18:31,654 --> 01:18:33,075
- [Tim] I'm not
shutting down anything,
1665
01:18:33,175 --> 01:18:34,375
I'm just looking
for the law enforcement part.
1666
01:18:34,455 --> 01:18:36,195
- [Suzi]
...by supporting that law,
1667
01:18:36,295 --> 01:18:38,795
because that law shuts us down.
- [Tim] Oh, it shuts you down?
1668
01:18:38,895 --> 01:18:41,195
- [Suzi] Just to let you know,
it shuts me down.
1669
01:18:41,295 --> 01:18:45,515
If we remove the animals from
connecting people with them,
1670
01:18:45,615 --> 01:18:48,636
they will not participate.
1671
01:18:48,736 --> 01:18:50,636
I'm all about laws,
1672
01:18:50,736 --> 01:18:52,276
and I'm all about regulation
as long...
1673
01:18:52,376 --> 01:18:54,116
- [Tim] I don't want
this little guy hearing it.
1674
01:18:54,216 --> 01:18:55,956
- [Man] How's it going?
- [Jack] Nice to see you.
1675
01:18:56,056 --> 01:18:57,956
- [Man] You all right?
Can we get a picture with you?
1676
01:18:58,056 --> 01:18:59,996
- [Tim] I'll let you go,
but I appreciate it.
1677
01:19:00,096 --> 01:19:01,676
We're trying to find out, okay?
1678
01:19:01,776 --> 01:19:04,917
We're just trying to find out.
- [Man] Say cheese, Ry.
1679
01:19:05,017 --> 01:19:07,477
- [Tim] I'll let you guys go.
- [Man] Cheese.
1680
01:19:07,577 --> 01:19:09,597
Thank you, sir.
- [Jack] Trust me,
1681
01:19:09,697 --> 01:19:12,077
if she knew of somebody doing
this stuff, like the bad stuff,
1682
01:19:12,177 --> 01:19:13,437
she'll be calling you overnight.
1683
01:19:13,537 --> 01:19:14,957
- [Tim] Okay,
hang on to my card.
1684
01:19:15,057 --> 01:19:16,757
- [Suzi] I'm on the Animal
Welfare Committee.
1685
01:19:16,857 --> 01:19:19,518
- [Jack] You've got a card?
- Yeah, she's got got my card.
1686
01:19:19,618 --> 01:19:21,798
I'll let you guys go.
I loved it, Jack.
1687
01:19:21,898 --> 01:19:23,898
Stay safe.
1688
01:19:28,458 --> 01:19:31,198
- [Jack] We always use
the country, these animals here,
1689
01:19:31,298 --> 01:19:33,758
you know about the Wilds, right?
10,000 acres.
1690
01:19:33,858 --> 01:19:35,359
- [Tim] So these cats
are at the Wilds?
1691
01:19:35,459 --> 01:19:37,319
- [Jack] No, we have them there,
but say the Wilds,
1692
01:19:37,419 --> 01:19:39,079
Suzi Rapp, that's up to her.
- [Tim] Oh, okay.
1693
01:19:39,179 --> 01:19:40,419
- [Jack] Say somebody has to
bring an animal out there
1694
01:19:40,499 --> 01:19:41,679
and they want to
have something there,
1695
01:19:41,779 --> 01:19:43,679
obviously they'll
go to the Wilds.
1696
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:45,639
- [Tim] Okay.
- [Jack] But these cats,
incredible where they go.
1697
01:19:45,739 --> 01:19:47,239
- [Tim]
They're the ambassador cats.
1698
01:19:47,339 --> 01:19:50,239
[melancholy music]
1699
01:19:50,339 --> 01:19:54,260
♪♪
1700
01:20:01,380 --> 01:20:03,760
[camera clicks]
1701
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:05,860
[tiger growling]
1702
01:20:48,583 --> 01:20:51,043
- To this day,
and I'm thinking in my mind,
1703
01:20:51,143 --> 01:20:52,443
why am I doing this?
1704
01:20:52,543 --> 01:20:54,924
'Cause it's not--
I've lost--
1705
01:20:55,024 --> 01:20:58,524
I've lost everything
with these people.
1706
01:20:58,624 --> 01:21:01,484
These are the people
I looked up to.
1707
01:21:01,584 --> 01:21:03,944
I looked up to Jack Hanna
when I was a young man.
1708
01:21:07,304 --> 01:21:08,804
It's one of those things,
am I doing any good?
1709
01:21:08,904 --> 01:21:11,645
But I think I am,
by exposing,
1710
01:21:11,745 --> 01:21:14,325
but is anybody gonna
be out there to step up
1711
01:21:14,425 --> 01:21:16,725
and back us up?
1712
01:21:16,825 --> 01:21:18,485
Is there gonna be anybody
that's gonna come out
1713
01:21:18,585 --> 01:21:21,685
of the conservation world
of these people
1714
01:21:21,785 --> 01:21:26,526
and say, "Tim, I'm with you,
brother, this ain't right"?
1715
01:21:26,626 --> 01:21:28,326
And so far we ain't got it.
1716
01:21:28,426 --> 01:21:30,206
And, uh...
1717
01:21:30,306 --> 01:21:37,886
♪♪
1718
01:21:37,986 --> 01:21:40,926
[indistinct announcements on PA]
1719
01:21:41,026 --> 01:21:46,907
♪♪
1720
01:21:50,867 --> 01:21:53,567
- [Carney Anne]
Hey, Tim, it's Carney Anne.
1721
01:21:53,667 --> 01:21:57,928
Let me just preempt this
by saying it's not good news.
1722
01:21:58,028 --> 01:22:01,848
I just received back a response
relating to my request
1723
01:22:01,948 --> 01:22:04,048
for records about
that roadside zoo
1724
01:22:04,148 --> 01:22:06,368
connected to Jack Hanna.
1725
01:22:06,468 --> 01:22:07,848
The response
that I received from
1726
01:22:07,948 --> 01:22:09,728
US Fish and Wildlife Service,
1727
01:22:09,828 --> 01:22:13,849
it says that they can
neither confirm nor deny
1728
01:22:13,949 --> 01:22:16,929
if any such records exist.
1729
01:22:17,029 --> 01:22:20,329
So I just--
this is gonna be a dead end.
1730
01:22:20,429 --> 01:22:23,129
It would take years
to litigate this.
1731
01:22:23,229 --> 01:22:25,609
[sirens wailing]
1732
01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:27,089
- [Howard] Hey, Tim.
It's Howard Baskin.
1733
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:28,609
Listen, last time we talked,
1734
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:30,450
it sounded like you
were right on track
1735
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:33,170
to get these other Ohio zoos
to send letters
1736
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:35,330
to Senator Portman's office.
1737
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:38,850
And, you know, our folks in DC
just came from the office,
1738
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:42,690
and they have not received
not a single one
1739
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:44,130
from any of these zoos.
1740
01:22:44,230 --> 01:22:45,851
I don't know what's happened,
1741
01:22:45,951 --> 01:22:48,331
I don't know
if the Columbus Zoo
1742
01:22:48,431 --> 01:22:50,211
or Jack's got to these zoos,
1743
01:22:50,311 --> 01:22:52,531
and applied some kind
of pressure, or what.
1744
01:22:52,631 --> 01:22:56,051
So, you know, we haven't
received anything.
1745
01:22:56,151 --> 01:22:58,971
I don't know where things stand,
so could you give me a call
1746
01:22:59,071 --> 01:23:00,491
and let me know
where things are?
1747
01:23:00,591 --> 01:23:01,932
- [Jack] We're trying to stop
a lot of that.
1748
01:23:02,032 --> 01:23:03,772
And the animal also probably,
I would say,
1749
01:23:03,872 --> 01:23:05,332
are in quite numbers,
1750
01:23:05,432 --> 01:23:07,012
not like a lot of cats
throughout the world.
1751
01:23:07,112 --> 01:23:08,972
We have some issues
with the hunting for jungles.
1752
01:23:09,072 --> 01:23:11,052
It's very difficult to even
find these cats, everybody.
1753
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:12,972
[TV clicks off]
1754
01:23:13,072 --> 01:23:15,072
[dog barking]
1755
01:23:22,273 --> 01:23:23,933
[phone buzzing]
1756
01:23:24,033 --> 01:23:26,813
- My phone's exploding.
We got all kinds of texts.
1757
01:23:26,913 --> 01:23:28,133
Said I gotta get
in contact with him,
1758
01:23:28,233 --> 01:23:31,093
something about Joe,
Joe Exotic.
1759
01:23:31,193 --> 01:23:32,653
I've gotta pull over
somewhere here,
1760
01:23:32,753 --> 01:23:34,734
drive down here,
and see if I can
1761
01:23:34,834 --> 01:23:37,254
get out of the traffic
a little bit here.
1762
01:23:37,354 --> 01:23:38,654
Hey, Rus,
what's going on here?
1763
01:23:38,754 --> 01:23:42,574
I'm gonna put you on speaker
real quick here.
1764
01:23:42,674 --> 01:23:43,974
All right, man,
what's going on?
1765
01:23:44,074 --> 01:23:47,174
- [Rus] Are you near a--
are you near a computer?
1766
01:23:47,274 --> 01:23:49,735
- No, no, I'm out
on the road right now.
1767
01:23:49,835 --> 01:23:52,415
- [Rus] They've got the news,
breaking news,
1768
01:23:52,515 --> 01:23:54,775
that Crazy Joe got indicted.
1769
01:23:54,875 --> 01:23:56,855
- What was the indictment,
do you have any idea
what the indictment is?
1770
01:23:56,955 --> 01:23:59,695
- [Rus] Well, it was something
about a federal charge
1771
01:23:59,795 --> 01:24:02,695
where the FBI was
looking at him for...
1772
01:24:02,795 --> 01:24:04,655
it was like murder for hire.
1773
01:24:04,755 --> 01:24:07,336
- Oh, my gosh.
It was a murder hire for who?
1774
01:24:07,436 --> 01:24:09,696
There's numerous people
he's threatened.
1775
01:24:09,796 --> 01:24:11,456
- [Rus] Well, in Florida.
- Oh, Florida.
1776
01:24:11,556 --> 01:24:12,856
- [Rus] Maybe he got friends
in Florida,
1777
01:24:12,956 --> 01:24:14,376
because they said it
was out of Florida.
1778
01:24:14,476 --> 01:24:15,936
- Ohh.
- And you know...
1779
01:24:16,036 --> 01:24:18,416
- That could only be one person
down there or two.
1780
01:24:18,516 --> 01:24:21,617
- [Rus] Yeah, or two.
- Wow.
1781
01:24:21,717 --> 01:24:23,137
- [Rus] So, they're not
naming the person.
1782
01:24:23,237 --> 01:24:26,497
In the indictment,
it said Jane Doe.
1783
01:24:26,597 --> 01:24:29,217
- The US Attorney's office
is leading the investigation.
1784
01:24:29,317 --> 01:24:31,057
Joe Exotic is known
for his connection
1785
01:24:31,157 --> 01:24:34,217
to the Greater Wynnewood
Exotic Animal Park,
1786
01:24:34,317 --> 01:24:36,658
though today he was
arrested in Florida,
1787
01:24:36,758 --> 01:24:38,698
the same state
as his alleged indictment.
1788
01:24:38,798 --> 01:24:40,298
- [Man] Federal indictment
conceals the identity
1789
01:24:40,398 --> 01:24:43,698
of the woman, referring
to her only as Jane Doe.
1790
01:24:43,798 --> 01:24:45,378
The murder plot was
apparently foiled
1791
01:24:45,478 --> 01:24:48,858
when federal agents moved in
to arrest Joe after he...
1792
01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:50,578
- It's gotta be Carole Baskin
1793
01:24:50,678 --> 01:24:52,699
down at Big Cat Rescue,
Tampa, Florida,
1794
01:24:52,799 --> 01:24:54,099
with her husband, Howard.
1795
01:24:54,199 --> 01:24:56,219
It's gotta be her,
because Joe Exotic
1796
01:24:56,319 --> 01:24:59,499
has been out to get her
over the years.
1797
01:24:59,599 --> 01:25:01,019
She's right on the front line.
1798
01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:02,659
She's also one of the architects
1799
01:25:02,759 --> 01:25:05,099
of the Big Cat
Public Safety Act,
1800
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,859
which is just getting ready
to go to a subcommittee hearing
1801
01:25:07,959 --> 01:25:09,060
for the House
of Representatives.
1802
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,740
What a coincidence!
1803
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,220
It's a situation where somebody
is trying to shut her up.
1804
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:19,100
- Carole Baskin better never
ever see me face to face.
1805
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,380
- Joe Exotic has said many times
that he's gonna take out--
1806
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:25,781
he actually on one
of his TV shows,
1807
01:25:25,881 --> 01:25:30,081
he'd actually showed himself
shooting an effigy of Carole.
1808
01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,301
He said, "What I'm gonna do
to her, I'm gonna cap her ass."
1809
01:25:34,401 --> 01:25:36,661
Pow!
[gun bangs]
1810
01:25:36,761 --> 01:25:40,262
- That is how sick and tired
of this shit I am.
1811
01:25:40,362 --> 01:25:42,182
- I gotta call her,
I gotta find out,
1812
01:25:42,282 --> 01:25:46,182
I gotta hear her voice,
and find out from her
how she's doing.
1813
01:25:46,282 --> 01:25:47,622
Is there anything we need to do?
1814
01:25:47,722 --> 01:25:49,382
'Cause Carole's
the bravest person I know.
1815
01:25:49,482 --> 01:25:50,702
- [Carole] Big Cat Rescue.
1816
01:25:50,802 --> 01:25:52,662
- Hey, Carole,
this is Tim Harrison.
1817
01:25:52,762 --> 01:25:53,862
I need to ask you a question.
1818
01:25:53,962 --> 01:25:56,703
My phone just exploded up here.
1819
01:25:56,803 --> 01:25:59,743
I've just found out
about this indictment.
1820
01:25:59,843 --> 01:26:02,943
Are you Jane Doe?
- [Carole] Yes.
1821
01:26:03,043 --> 01:26:04,143
- Wow.
1822
01:26:04,243 --> 01:26:06,663
- We got a call
from the FBI saying
1823
01:26:06,763 --> 01:26:09,303
that my life
was in imminent danger.
1824
01:26:09,403 --> 01:26:14,264
Joe had hired a guy to come
to Florida and kill me.
1825
01:26:14,364 --> 01:26:18,024
And they were able to put
an undercover FBI agent in place
1826
01:26:18,124 --> 01:26:20,704
for Joe to then hire so that
they could keep track of him.
1827
01:26:20,804 --> 01:26:22,344
- Wow.
1828
01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:24,264
- [Woman] The US Attorney's
Office alleges that Exotic
1829
01:26:24,364 --> 01:26:26,824
openly discussed
his plot to kill,
1830
01:26:26,924 --> 01:26:30,105
eventually hiring a person
to carry out the murder.
1831
01:26:30,205 --> 01:26:33,545
That person was
an undercover FBI agent.
1832
01:26:33,645 --> 01:26:35,785
- [Carole] Yeah, I'm really glad
that they've got him in jail,
1833
01:26:35,885 --> 01:26:39,185
but I tell you what, he's just
the dumbest one of them.
1834
01:26:39,285 --> 01:26:41,825
There's a lot
of really bad people out there
1835
01:26:41,925 --> 01:26:44,866
that are a whole lot more
dangerous to those of us
1836
01:26:44,966 --> 01:26:47,226
who are working
to protect these cats.
1837
01:26:47,326 --> 01:26:50,346
- I'll tell you what, Carole,
is there anything
you need from us?
1838
01:26:50,446 --> 01:26:52,026
- [Carole] I couldn't live
with myself
1839
01:26:52,126 --> 01:26:54,706
if I allowed bullies like him
1840
01:26:54,806 --> 01:26:57,746
to stop us from protecting
these big cats.
1841
01:26:57,846 --> 01:26:59,947
So just keep doing
what you're doing.
1842
01:27:00,047 --> 01:27:02,947
[intense music]
1843
01:27:03,047 --> 01:27:05,427
♪♪
1844
01:27:05,527 --> 01:27:07,527
[people shouting]
1845
01:27:10,967 --> 01:27:12,907
[helicopter blades whirring]
1846
01:27:13,007 --> 01:27:18,748
♪♪
1847
01:27:18,848 --> 01:27:21,628
[fireworks banging]
1848
01:27:21,728 --> 01:27:23,948
[people cheering]
1849
01:27:24,048 --> 01:27:26,908
- We've come here
up to Massillon High School.
1850
01:27:27,008 --> 01:27:29,788
This is where
the infamous Obies are.
1851
01:27:29,888 --> 01:27:32,589
For the last 45 years or so,
they bring a tiger cub here
1852
01:27:32,689 --> 01:27:34,689
for them to use
as their mascot.
1853
01:27:40,129 --> 01:27:42,789
- We're going to talk about
Olive in just a minute,
but Dave...
1854
01:27:42,889 --> 01:27:46,109
- [Tim] For the last three weeks
on a couple different
TV shows...
1855
01:27:46,209 --> 01:27:47,790
- Aww!
- All right.
1856
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:49,790
- ...they've been using a tiger
by the name of Olive.
1857
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:51,590
- Here with his friend Olive,
1858
01:27:51,690 --> 01:27:54,870
Animal Planet's big cat expert,
Dave Salmoni.
1859
01:27:54,970 --> 01:27:56,390
- We're gonna try to see
if they're gonna bring
1860
01:27:56,490 --> 01:27:57,710
a tiger cub out here.
1861
01:27:57,810 --> 01:27:58,830
And we're gonna see
if it's Olive.
1862
01:27:58,930 --> 01:27:59,950
We personally came up here,
1863
01:28:00,050 --> 01:28:01,630
'cause I wanna find out.
1864
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:05,611
♪♪
1865
01:28:11,291 --> 01:28:14,031
[cheering and applause]
1866
01:28:14,131 --> 01:28:17,871
[indistinct chatter on PA]
1867
01:28:17,971 --> 01:28:19,552
Here she comes, guys.
1868
01:28:19,652 --> 01:28:21,792
[audience cheering]
1869
01:28:21,892 --> 01:28:23,952
[air horn blowing]
1870
01:28:24,052 --> 01:28:26,932
[audience gasping]
1871
01:28:38,493 --> 01:28:40,733
Absolutely barbaric.
1872
01:28:44,413 --> 01:28:46,353
The same tiger cub
1873
01:28:46,453 --> 01:28:49,393
that was used on all those shows
by animal experts,
1874
01:28:49,493 --> 01:28:52,154
bang, here it is,
Olive's here.
1875
01:28:52,254 --> 01:28:53,514
And who's with it?
1876
01:28:53,614 --> 01:28:55,614
Grant Kemmerer.
1877
01:29:01,494 --> 01:29:03,354
It's just disgusting.
1878
01:29:03,454 --> 01:29:05,994
It just makes me want to
just push through those people,
1879
01:29:06,094 --> 01:29:08,595
get that tiger cub,
and just rescue it.
1880
01:29:08,695 --> 01:29:11,775
And take it to a sanctuary
where it needs to be taken to.
1881
01:29:14,655 --> 01:29:16,795
And, you know, we can't do that
'cause it's not illegal.
1882
01:29:16,895 --> 01:29:18,895
It's not illegal.
1883
01:29:25,056 --> 01:29:27,596
You know, we're in
a hostile environment already.
1884
01:29:27,696 --> 01:29:29,076
We've got some of their
supporters over here
1885
01:29:29,176 --> 01:29:30,756
listening to what I'm saying.
1886
01:29:30,856 --> 01:29:34,436
Everybody's texting,
you can see them watching us.
1887
01:29:34,536 --> 01:29:37,396
People are giving me
the evil eye, staring me down.
1888
01:29:37,496 --> 01:29:39,497
The word's out.
1889
01:29:45,017 --> 01:29:47,157
You know, it's no different
than going to
1890
01:29:47,257 --> 01:29:49,437
the dangerous
wild exotic animal auctions.
1891
01:29:49,537 --> 01:29:51,277
They don't want you
filming anything
1892
01:29:51,377 --> 01:29:53,998
because they don't want anybody
to know what's going on.
1893
01:29:54,098 --> 01:29:56,098
It's like this--
this secret.
1894
01:29:58,818 --> 01:30:00,718
It's the same,
same feeling here,
1895
01:30:00,818 --> 01:30:02,838
what happened to us
at the auction.
1896
01:30:02,938 --> 01:30:05,118
And getting the evil eye
as we're speaking right now.
1897
01:30:05,218 --> 01:30:06,758
They're making the phone calls.
1898
01:30:06,858 --> 01:30:09,719
[tense music]
1899
01:30:09,819 --> 01:30:12,519
- Who you with, bud?
1900
01:30:12,619 --> 01:30:14,679
Hey, this gentleman
needs to move on.
1901
01:30:14,779 --> 01:30:16,159
- Sir, please move along.
1902
01:30:16,259 --> 01:30:17,719
- [Tim] We've got some
of their supporters
1903
01:30:17,819 --> 01:30:18,899
over here right now,
some of the boosters,
1904
01:30:18,979 --> 01:30:20,479
listening to what I'm saying.
1905
01:30:20,579 --> 01:30:22,079
- Move on, sir, that's what
I'm asking you to do.
1906
01:30:22,179 --> 01:30:23,959
- You know, trying to
kick us out, throw us out.
1907
01:30:24,059 --> 01:30:26,060
It's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen.
1908
01:30:35,700 --> 01:30:38,240
He actually understands
that we're there.
1909
01:30:38,340 --> 01:30:40,520
We're just a few steps
behind him right now.
1910
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:42,621
He's feeling that breath
on the back of his neck.
1911
01:30:46,021 --> 01:30:48,841
The footsteps are coming,
times are changing,
1912
01:30:48,941 --> 01:30:50,201
and he knows it.
1913
01:30:50,301 --> 01:30:53,361
- Go! Now!
1914
01:30:53,461 --> 01:30:55,461
You, go!
1915
01:30:57,942 --> 01:31:01,042
- [Tim] After all these years,
and all the Obies they've had,
1916
01:31:01,142 --> 01:31:02,602
nobody can tell us
what happens to them
1917
01:31:02,702 --> 01:31:03,842
after they're done with them.
1918
01:31:03,942 --> 01:31:04,882
- [Man] You have to go.
1919
01:31:04,982 --> 01:31:06,042
- [Tim] They just vanish.
1920
01:31:06,142 --> 01:31:08,522
- [Man] Why are you filming?
1921
01:31:08,622 --> 01:31:11,702
- And now little Olive
is Obie 47.
1922
01:31:14,463 --> 01:31:16,203
We need to try to rescue Olive,
1923
01:31:16,303 --> 01:31:19,003
and get her out of that cycle.
1924
01:31:19,103 --> 01:31:20,683
Thing is, is I can't do it.
1925
01:31:20,783 --> 01:31:23,323
'Cause we've already
exposed ourselves.
1926
01:31:23,423 --> 01:31:24,723
I'm gonna need an inside man.
1927
01:31:24,823 --> 01:31:26,683
I'm gonna need somebody
that's in that world
1928
01:31:26,783 --> 01:31:29,404
to be able to reach in
and get Olive,
1929
01:31:29,504 --> 01:31:31,964
and rescue her from that.
And that's what I need.
1930
01:31:32,064 --> 01:31:33,564
And I think...
1931
01:31:33,664 --> 01:31:37,444
I think I might have the person
that can do that.
1932
01:31:37,544 --> 01:31:39,544
[leaves crunching]
1933
01:31:50,905 --> 01:31:52,845
- [Cy] Good morning, Grant,
my name is Cy.
1934
01:31:52,945 --> 01:31:54,805
I have Union Ridge
Wildlife Center
1935
01:31:54,905 --> 01:31:57,045
incorporated here
in Southeastern Ohio.
1936
01:31:57,145 --> 01:32:00,285
Here, Liz.
1937
01:32:00,385 --> 01:32:02,366
My tigers enjoy an incredible
open facility,
1938
01:32:02,466 --> 01:32:04,926
16 feet high
with 4-foot cantilever
1939
01:32:05,026 --> 01:32:07,926
with climbing platforms
that step to 12-foot high.
1940
01:32:08,026 --> 01:32:09,246
[keyboard clacking]
1941
01:32:09,346 --> 01:32:11,086
I'm looking to replace
a young tiger
1942
01:32:11,186 --> 01:32:12,806
we had to euthanise
earlier last year
1943
01:32:12,906 --> 01:32:15,606
after suffering
from a brain tumour.
1944
01:32:15,706 --> 01:32:18,247
Ultimately I'm looking
for a young female
1945
01:32:18,347 --> 01:32:20,687
between six months
and a year of age,
1946
01:32:20,787 --> 01:32:22,447
and I would be happy
1947
01:32:22,547 --> 01:32:26,487
to share any photos
of my facilities, et cetera.
1948
01:32:26,587 --> 01:32:28,827
Many thanks in advance, Cy.
1949
01:32:39,788 --> 01:32:41,788
[keyboard clacking]
1950
01:32:54,309 --> 01:32:55,849
It's become quite frustrating
1951
01:32:55,949 --> 01:32:57,729
because some of
the conversations we've had,
1952
01:32:57,829 --> 01:33:02,569
Grant keeps-- keeps moving
forward with other topics
1953
01:33:02,669 --> 01:33:05,050
whenever I bring up
any thought
1954
01:33:05,150 --> 01:33:09,850
of placing one of his cats.
1955
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:14,330
We've talked about
pelicans, beavers,
1956
01:33:14,430 --> 01:33:16,790
otters, lions...
1957
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:21,891
...squirrel monkeys.
1958
01:33:21,991 --> 01:33:25,531
Hasn't ever replied
about any, uh, tiger.
1959
01:33:25,631 --> 01:33:27,451
Did go as far as saying
1960
01:33:27,551 --> 01:33:31,891
I'd give my left arm
for the last year's Obie.
1961
01:33:31,991 --> 01:33:34,091
Nothing.
1962
01:33:34,191 --> 01:33:37,052
No mention of the tigers.
1963
01:33:37,152 --> 01:33:39,852
So we're just gonna have
to go to Grant's house
1964
01:33:39,952 --> 01:33:43,732
and see what he has.
1965
01:33:43,832 --> 01:33:46,732
[tense music]
1966
01:33:46,832 --> 01:33:49,772
♪♪
1967
01:33:49,872 --> 01:33:51,652
Okay, so I just sent Grant
a text, that says,
1968
01:33:51,752 --> 01:33:55,573
"Hi, Grant, I had told you about
an Arctic great horned owl.
1969
01:33:55,673 --> 01:33:59,093
Think you might like to use him
in your programs."
1970
01:33:59,193 --> 01:34:02,613
He got back right away,
"Wow, very nice, congrats.
1971
01:34:02,713 --> 01:34:04,713
I'll take one."
1972
01:34:17,794 --> 01:34:20,714
[phone line trilling]
1973
01:34:24,875 --> 01:34:27,775
- [Tim] Hey, how you doing?
- Good.
1974
01:34:27,875 --> 01:34:31,455
So I just got done
with my afternoon with Grant
1975
01:34:31,555 --> 01:34:33,215
over at his house.
1976
01:34:33,315 --> 01:34:35,335
- [Tim] Did you find
anything about Olive?
1977
01:34:35,435 --> 01:34:36,935
- No.
1978
01:34:37,035 --> 01:34:38,295
- [Tim] Did you have
free range on the property?
1979
01:34:38,395 --> 01:34:41,056
- No, Olive is not there,
1980
01:34:41,156 --> 01:34:46,296
and there weren't any--
there weren't any young tigers.
1981
01:34:46,396 --> 01:34:49,696
- Wow, Olive should be there,
should be with him,
1982
01:34:49,796 --> 01:34:51,576
because he was the last one
seen with her.
1983
01:34:51,676 --> 01:34:53,976
- No, it's... it's not.
1984
01:34:54,076 --> 01:34:56,097
- [Tim] That's what
I was worried about.
1985
01:34:56,197 --> 01:34:58,217
If we didn't get that cat
and intercept her,
1986
01:34:58,317 --> 01:34:59,817
it's gonna be dead.
1987
01:34:59,917 --> 01:35:02,137
So we have no idea
where she's at.
1988
01:35:02,237 --> 01:35:03,977
- Correct.
1989
01:35:04,077 --> 01:35:06,497
- [Tim] That means
we've gotta problem.
1990
01:35:06,597 --> 01:35:10,577
Did he have 15
or 16 big cats around there?
1991
01:35:10,677 --> 01:35:13,978
Because he told me
he had 15 or 16 big cats
1992
01:35:14,078 --> 01:35:17,338
that stay there,
they're at his location.
1993
01:35:17,438 --> 01:35:20,298
- There's only three tigers
and one lion.
1994
01:35:20,398 --> 01:35:21,778
- [Tim] Wow.
1995
01:35:21,878 --> 01:35:23,858
So he's moved a lot
of animals out of there.
1996
01:35:23,958 --> 01:35:25,778
- Correct.
1997
01:35:25,878 --> 01:35:27,299
- [Tim] He told me a lie then.
1998
01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:29,379
Because he said
straightforward,
1999
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:30,819
"They come here,
and they stay here.
2000
01:35:30,919 --> 01:35:32,459
"They don't go anywhere else.
2001
01:35:32,559 --> 01:35:34,139
That's the way it works."
2002
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:36,219
- No.
2003
01:35:36,319 --> 01:35:38,259
- They're nocturnal.
They're a solitary cat...
2004
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,939
- They're found in...
2005
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:43,820
- So how much are they
just like a house cat?
2006
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,340
[lion cub growls]
[audience laughs]
2007
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:47,780
- [Jack] Here you go.
Thank you very much.
2008
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,880
- [Letterman]
Thank you very much.
2009
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,060
- His story is,
to me, conflicted.
2010
01:35:55,160 --> 01:36:00,101
He told me too many stories,
and he didn't even realise it.
2011
01:36:00,201 --> 01:36:03,521
I'm just starting to,
you know, match the things up.
2012
01:36:05,521 --> 01:36:07,501
[camera clicks]
2013
01:36:07,601 --> 01:36:09,901
- [Tim] You get a photo?
- I didn't, but my kid did.
2014
01:36:10,001 --> 01:36:13,701
My kid got photos of all--
of all three cats.
2015
01:36:13,801 --> 01:36:15,342
- [Tim] Excellent.
2016
01:36:15,442 --> 01:36:16,942
- But he had to be conspicuous
about that,
2017
01:36:17,042 --> 01:36:19,742
because that was
the only part of the property
2018
01:36:19,842 --> 01:36:23,622
that he had us turn away from.
- [Tim] Wow.
2019
01:36:23,722 --> 01:36:25,902
Now there's something really
suspicious going on there.
2020
01:36:26,002 --> 01:36:27,342
[lighter clicks]
2021
01:36:27,442 --> 01:36:29,182
- What if he had tiger cubs
there today,
2022
01:36:29,282 --> 01:36:32,263
and that's why
we couldn't walk over there?
2023
01:36:32,363 --> 01:36:38,263
He made a few oops
this afternoon with his stories.
2024
01:36:38,363 --> 01:36:42,983
He didn't keep
his stories straight.
2025
01:36:43,083 --> 01:36:45,223
Reflecting upon the visit,
2026
01:36:45,323 --> 01:36:49,864
when you look at everything,
the cages,
2027
01:36:49,964 --> 01:36:54,744
the types of animals
that are there...
2028
01:36:54,844 --> 01:36:57,084
a lot of things
don't really add up.
2029
01:37:01,204 --> 01:37:04,085
[lion growling]
2030
01:37:13,805 --> 01:37:15,805
[people laughing, chatting]
2031
01:37:27,326 --> 01:37:28,546
- Something of interest here.
2032
01:37:28,646 --> 01:37:30,066
Something that just came about
2033
01:37:30,166 --> 01:37:32,426
within the last couple of weeks.
2034
01:37:32,526 --> 01:37:36,107
Grant Kemmerer
and Wild World of Animals
2035
01:37:36,207 --> 01:37:39,467
have been cited
for five different violations
2036
01:37:39,567 --> 01:37:44,227
in, uh--
in the State of New York.
2037
01:37:44,327 --> 01:37:48,107
He's allowed several people
at private parties
2038
01:37:48,207 --> 01:37:51,788
at a residence to come
into contact with big cats,
2039
01:37:51,888 --> 01:37:57,068
which is a clear violation
of the law of New York.
2040
01:37:57,168 --> 01:37:58,908
- This is Wyatt,
2041
01:37:59,008 --> 01:38:01,388
this is a cat that's been used
as an ambassador animal.
2042
01:38:01,488 --> 01:38:03,228
And here it is
at a private party in New York.
2043
01:38:03,328 --> 01:38:05,028
- There you go.
- Wow!
2044
01:38:05,128 --> 01:38:06,369
- Get interactive.
- You know what
this is for real?
2045
01:38:06,449 --> 01:38:08,309
This is such an honour
and a privilege.
2046
01:38:08,409 --> 01:38:10,029
- Of course it is.
- To just be around
this majestic animal.
2047
01:38:10,129 --> 01:38:12,229
- "Caused or allowed
direct contact
2048
01:38:12,329 --> 01:38:14,469
with a juvenile tiger."
2049
01:38:14,569 --> 01:38:16,709
- [Tim] Let's go the next here.
Ah, look at this at this
family portrait.
2050
01:38:16,809 --> 01:38:19,709
Oh, my gosh.
2051
01:38:19,809 --> 01:38:22,630
- "Caused or allowed
direct contact with a lion."
2052
01:38:22,730 --> 01:38:24,790
- [Tim] Oh, my gosh.
- Wow.
2053
01:38:24,890 --> 01:38:26,910
- And another juvenile tiger.
2054
01:38:27,010 --> 01:38:28,830
- [Man on video] What's up?
2055
01:38:28,930 --> 01:38:33,790
- In contact with people during
a party at a private home.
2056
01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:36,350
What's that got to do
with conservation?
2057
01:38:36,450 --> 01:38:39,831
- [Grant shouting]
- What's he doing?
2058
01:38:39,931 --> 01:38:42,551
Shoving him around,
grabbing him, dragging him.
2059
01:38:42,651 --> 01:38:44,431
What are they doing now?
They're teasing him.
2060
01:38:44,531 --> 01:38:48,791
Oh, they're hitting him.
Look at him, whack!
2061
01:38:48,891 --> 01:38:52,031
- Look at how, like,
he's swatting his face.
2062
01:38:52,131 --> 01:38:54,752
[tiger groans]
- Oh, my gosh.
2063
01:38:54,852 --> 01:38:58,712
- [Man on video] It's okay.
2064
01:38:58,812 --> 01:39:00,792
- These are the same cats
that he was on TV with
2065
01:39:00,892 --> 01:39:02,752
saying these aren't pets.
2066
01:39:02,852 --> 01:39:04,312
- [Grant] That's why
they're just not a pet.
2067
01:39:04,412 --> 01:39:06,112
It's never gonna be a pet.
2068
01:39:06,212 --> 01:39:07,872
- And he takes them out
the very next weekend or so,
2069
01:39:07,972 --> 01:39:10,913
whenever this happened,
takes them in a basket,
2070
01:39:11,013 --> 01:39:12,793
like you would take
puppies or kittens,
2071
01:39:12,893 --> 01:39:14,193
to a birthday party.
2072
01:39:14,293 --> 01:39:16,433
[keyboard clacking]
2073
01:39:16,533 --> 01:39:19,753
- And look at all this too.
"New pet?"
2074
01:39:19,853 --> 01:39:22,153
Look, "I want one."
- [Tim] "I want one."
2075
01:39:22,253 --> 01:39:25,294
"Hanging with the baby tiger
and the family."
2076
01:39:28,974 --> 01:39:31,474
This is the two faces
of conservation right here.
2077
01:39:31,574 --> 01:39:33,754
Wyatt's on TV being used
as an ambassador animal,
2078
01:39:33,854 --> 01:39:35,514
"Oh, you've gotta
respect these animals."
2079
01:39:35,614 --> 01:39:37,234
- [Jarod] This is Wyatt
right here, he's a Bengal tiger.
2080
01:39:37,334 --> 01:39:39,674
- And then this right here.
[tiger growls]
2081
01:39:39,774 --> 01:39:42,235
- [Woman on video] No!
- [Man on video] It's okay.
2082
01:39:42,335 --> 01:39:45,235
[sinister music]
2083
01:39:45,335 --> 01:39:49,115
♪♪
2084
01:39:49,215 --> 01:39:51,555
- If you take the tiger
that Jack had
2085
01:39:51,655 --> 01:39:53,315
on "Good Morning America,"
2086
01:39:53,415 --> 01:39:57,796
and you line it up next to
the tiger who was in a backyard,
2087
01:39:57,896 --> 01:40:00,716
put those side by side,
2088
01:40:00,816 --> 01:40:03,796
look at the stripes,
they match up perfectly.
2089
01:40:03,896 --> 01:40:05,676
That's a 100% match.
2090
01:40:05,776 --> 01:40:09,556
This is Gus, this is the tiger
we've been looking for.
2091
01:40:09,656 --> 01:40:11,996
- [Jack]
This is a Siberian tiger.
And all these tigers,
2092
01:40:12,096 --> 01:40:14,317
the American Zoological
and Aquarium Association,
2093
01:40:14,417 --> 01:40:16,637
they're in the SSP program.
Now these animals...
2094
01:40:16,737 --> 01:40:21,477
- The alleged SSP tiger
that Suzi Rapp
2095
01:40:21,577 --> 01:40:23,677
of the AZA's
Animal Welfare Committee
2096
01:40:23,777 --> 01:40:26,717
has on the end of a leash
on a national TV show,
2097
01:40:26,817 --> 01:40:29,478
for a small backyard party
in New York.
2098
01:40:29,578 --> 01:40:31,638
- Wow.
- [Tim] That is enough
right there
2099
01:40:31,738 --> 01:40:34,018
to blow the lid off
of all this.
2100
01:40:41,218 --> 01:40:42,478
- [Carney Anne]
Tim, it's Carney Anne,
2101
01:40:42,578 --> 01:40:43,878
you're not even
gonna believe this.
2102
01:40:43,978 --> 01:40:45,599
I just got those records
from New York
2103
01:40:45,699 --> 01:40:49,999
related to this illegal
exhibitions and public contact.
2104
01:40:50,099 --> 01:40:54,759
So Mr. Kemmerer's attorney
has picked three people
2105
01:40:54,859 --> 01:40:57,879
to solicit letters of reference.
2106
01:40:57,979 --> 01:41:01,880
And the letter I've got
right here on top is
2107
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:04,680
from Suzi Rapp, Vice President
of Animal Programs
2108
01:41:04,780 --> 01:41:06,600
at the Columbus Zoo
and Aquarium.
2109
01:41:06,700 --> 01:41:08,640
- Oh, my God!
2110
01:41:08,740 --> 01:41:11,840
- [Carney Anne] "We found
Kemmerer to be highly competent,
2111
01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:14,920
"very knowledgeable
and experienced.
2112
01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:17,881
"And for this reason
we consistently used them
2113
01:41:17,981 --> 01:41:19,441
and their animals
for programs."
2114
01:41:19,541 --> 01:41:21,121
- Wow!
2115
01:41:21,221 --> 01:41:23,921
- [Carney Anne] And according
to Suzi Rapp, she,
2116
01:41:24,021 --> 01:41:27,281
and I quote, "Would consider
Wild World of Animals
2117
01:41:27,381 --> 01:41:30,921
to be at top-notch
institution."
2118
01:41:31,021 --> 01:41:34,522
So that's the Columbus Zoo...
- Wow!
2119
01:41:34,622 --> 01:41:36,202
- ...coming to the defense
of their boy
2120
01:41:36,302 --> 01:41:40,562
in a letter he included
to the State of New York
2121
01:41:40,662 --> 01:41:43,162
begging them
not to revoke his license.
2122
01:41:43,262 --> 01:41:46,482
[lion growling]
2123
01:41:46,582 --> 01:41:48,723
- I've been saying for years
that the Columbus Zoo,
2124
01:41:48,823 --> 01:41:52,243
Jack Hanna, they have to have
that private breeding.
2125
01:41:52,343 --> 01:41:55,003
If the Big Cat
Public Safety Act was passed,
2126
01:41:55,103 --> 01:41:56,803
straight from their words
from their mouth,
2127
01:41:56,903 --> 01:41:58,803
"We can no longer
do our business."
2128
01:41:58,903 --> 01:42:01,483
That's why they need
these backyard breeders.
2129
01:42:01,583 --> 01:42:03,043
The genie is out of the bottle,
2130
01:42:03,143 --> 01:42:05,264
and there's no way
they could put it back in.
2131
01:42:25,665 --> 01:42:28,205
- Well, there's nothing
more rewarding than
2132
01:42:28,305 --> 01:42:30,845
working or volunteering
in the animal offer world,
2133
01:42:30,945 --> 01:42:32,645
but it doesn't come
without risk.
2134
01:42:32,745 --> 01:42:35,926
I've been personally threatened
physically with my life.
2135
01:42:36,026 --> 01:42:38,366
I've been threatened
with litigation.
2136
01:42:38,466 --> 01:42:42,886
I've been just slandered online,
via social media and other ways.
2137
01:42:42,986 --> 01:42:45,566
At one point we were directed
by our attorneys
2138
01:42:45,666 --> 01:42:48,126
to check underneath our car
every day before we started it,
2139
01:42:48,226 --> 01:42:50,006
for fear of our life
that we were,
2140
01:42:50,106 --> 01:42:54,727
you know,
in risk of physical harm.
2141
01:42:54,827 --> 01:42:56,287
That's their only means
of stopping you
2142
01:42:56,387 --> 01:42:57,767
from exposing them.
2143
01:42:57,867 --> 01:43:00,267
And they'll stop at nothing.
2144
01:43:05,987 --> 01:43:07,488
- [Woman]
A dramatic day begins
2145
01:43:07,588 --> 01:43:09,768
as big cat owner,
Joe Maldonado-Passage,
2146
01:43:09,868 --> 01:43:11,648
better known as Joe Exotic,
2147
01:43:11,748 --> 01:43:14,408
will face Carole Baskin
in federal court.
2148
01:43:14,508 --> 01:43:17,128
According to the FBI,
the murder plot was foiled
2149
01:43:17,228 --> 01:43:19,128
when undercover agents
intervened.
2150
01:43:19,228 --> 01:43:22,688
Joe also faces 17 federal counts
of animal abuse.
2151
01:43:22,788 --> 01:43:24,289
- [Man] Oklahoma is one
of several states
2152
01:43:24,389 --> 01:43:27,249
that allows private ownership
and unregulated breeding
2153
01:43:27,349 --> 01:43:28,849
of big cats.
2154
01:43:28,949 --> 01:43:31,409
States like Nevada,
North Carolina, Wisconsin...
2155
01:43:31,509 --> 01:43:33,169
- [Woman] The big cat battle
rages on today
2156
01:43:33,269 --> 01:43:35,609
in the United States
on the same day
2157
01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:37,089
that Joe Exotic's
criminal trial
2158
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:39,610
reaches a fever pitch
in Oklahoma.
2159
01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:41,890
Big cat advocates here
in Washington DC
2160
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:43,850
will testify before Congress
2161
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:46,850
in an effort to put an end
to private ownership.
2162
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:49,810
- The Big Cat Public Safety Act
was first introduced last month.
2163
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:51,970
This is the first time
though it's been discussed
2164
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:53,650
in a hearing on Capitol Hill.
2165
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:55,451
First responders
tell me they hope
2166
01:43:55,551 --> 01:43:57,531
this isn't the last time.
2167
01:43:57,631 --> 01:44:00,611
Do we know where all the tigers
are in the United States,
2168
01:44:00,711 --> 01:44:02,771
or the lions,
or any of these big cats?
2169
01:44:02,871 --> 01:44:04,531
- We don't know,
we can't follow it.
2170
01:44:04,631 --> 01:44:05,771
There's so many
backyard breeders,
2171
01:44:05,871 --> 01:44:07,531
and that's what
this law's about,
2172
01:44:07,631 --> 01:44:09,971
stopping the backyard breeders,
making it so the law enforcement
2173
01:44:10,071 --> 01:44:12,852
can do something about it,
can step in and stop this.
2174
01:44:12,952 --> 01:44:14,452
- The Big Cat Public Safety Act
2175
01:44:14,552 --> 01:44:16,332
would end the ownership
of big cats
2176
01:44:16,432 --> 01:44:18,332
as exotic pets,
and prohibit exhibitors
2177
01:44:18,432 --> 01:44:21,212
from allowing the public
to have contact with them,
2178
01:44:21,312 --> 01:44:24,812
keeping these majestic animals
and the public safe.
2179
01:44:24,912 --> 01:44:26,533
Well, we all love
these iconic species.
2180
01:44:26,633 --> 01:44:28,933
It's important to remember
that they're wild animals,
2181
01:44:29,033 --> 01:44:30,213
and they shouldn't
be kept as pets,
2182
01:44:30,313 --> 01:44:32,533
or treated like
petting zoo animals.
2183
01:44:32,633 --> 01:44:35,013
- These dangerous animals are
often kept in small spaces
2184
01:44:35,113 --> 01:44:37,733
that are entirely inconsistent
with their needs.
2185
01:44:37,833 --> 01:44:39,613
And rescue operations
have demonstrated
2186
01:44:39,713 --> 01:44:43,534
the extreme abuse enabled
by the pet big cat trade.
2187
01:44:43,634 --> 01:44:45,414
- With this Big Cat
Public Safety Act,
2188
01:44:45,514 --> 01:44:46,854
I never thought I'd ever see it
2189
01:44:46,954 --> 01:44:49,334
where it's actually
going to be voted on,
2190
01:44:49,434 --> 01:44:50,854
and it could be
through the House.
2191
01:44:50,954 --> 01:44:52,974
If it gets through the House,
it's amazing.
2192
01:44:53,074 --> 01:44:55,014
- Congressmen,
this committee in particular
2193
01:44:55,114 --> 01:44:56,774
must continue to work towards
2194
01:44:56,874 --> 01:44:58,895
protecting wildlife
at home and abroad,
2195
01:44:58,995 --> 01:45:01,535
if we hope
to preserve biodiversity
2196
01:45:01,635 --> 01:45:03,415
for future generations.
2197
01:45:03,515 --> 01:45:06,935
In particular,
I'd like to thank...
2198
01:45:07,035 --> 01:45:11,055
- This really I thought would
never happen in my lifetime.
2199
01:45:11,155 --> 01:45:13,175
And with this happening
has a lot to do
2200
01:45:13,275 --> 01:45:14,856
with all the organizations
out there,
2201
01:45:14,956 --> 01:45:17,536
has to do with all the people
that just love big cats,
2202
01:45:17,636 --> 01:45:19,976
and the people
that actually paid attention.
2203
01:45:20,076 --> 01:45:22,016
And right now we have
an opportunity
2204
01:45:22,116 --> 01:45:24,416
to stop all this madness.
2205
01:45:24,516 --> 01:45:25,936
And it is...
2206
01:45:26,036 --> 01:45:28,036
it's the greatest feeling
in the world.
2207
01:45:33,477 --> 01:45:35,177
- Other animal
welfare organizations,
2208
01:45:35,277 --> 01:45:38,177
because lions and tigers
do not belong
2209
01:45:38,277 --> 01:45:40,777
in urban apartments,
or in cages,
2210
01:45:40,877 --> 01:45:42,097
and suburban backyards.
2211
01:45:42,197 --> 01:45:44,617
- As the member designated
of Nevada,
2212
01:45:44,717 --> 01:45:47,498
I inform the House
that Miss Titus will vote yes
2213
01:45:47,598 --> 01:45:49,458
on HR1380.
2214
01:45:49,558 --> 01:45:52,858
- Miss Kaptur of Ohio who
will vote aye on HR1380.
2215
01:45:52,958 --> 01:45:55,738
- Mr. Patrick
will vote yes on HR1380.
2216
01:45:55,838 --> 01:45:58,498
- I inform the house
that Ms. Pingree will vote yes
2217
01:45:58,598 --> 01:46:00,218
on HR1380.
2218
01:46:00,318 --> 01:46:03,739
- I have never met
an animal welfare advocate,
2219
01:46:03,839 --> 01:46:06,419
myself included,
that has stopped.
2220
01:46:06,519 --> 01:46:10,739
- 965, I inform the House
that Mr. Price will vote yes.
2221
01:46:10,839 --> 01:46:14,739
He will vote yes on HR1380.
2222
01:46:14,839 --> 01:46:16,979
- And I consider it a privilege
2223
01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:19,840
to be able to take on
the challenge and not turn back.
2224
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,620
- Best decision
that we've ever made.
2225
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,901
And something I couldn't
be more proud of,
2226
01:46:35,001 --> 01:46:38,981
and I'll continue to do it
till the day I die.
2227
01:46:39,081 --> 01:46:41,861
[dramatic music]
2228
01:46:41,961 --> 01:46:43,861
- Breaking news just in to NBC4,
2229
01:46:43,961 --> 01:46:46,061
Jack Hanna is announcing
his retirement
2230
01:46:46,161 --> 01:46:47,621
from the Columbus Zoo.
2231
01:46:47,721 --> 01:46:50,102
This will be effective
at the end of the year.
2232
01:46:50,202 --> 01:46:51,782
- Are you shocked by this
at all, Colleen?
2233
01:46:51,882 --> 01:46:54,982
- I was because he's had
that status for so long,
2234
01:46:55,082 --> 01:46:57,102
and they say it's just time.
2235
01:46:57,202 --> 01:47:00,662
- Who else is going to do
the animal segments now?
2236
01:47:00,762 --> 01:47:02,502
- Now we're getting
to the point,
2237
01:47:02,602 --> 01:47:04,622
that the new generation
coming along right now,
2238
01:47:04,722 --> 01:47:06,263
and the next generation
after that,
2239
01:47:06,363 --> 01:47:10,783
I have high hopes, high hopes
that this is gonna stop.
2240
01:47:10,883 --> 01:47:13,943
And to me,
that makes me feel like,
2241
01:47:14,043 --> 01:47:15,983
you know, everything we did,
2242
01:47:16,083 --> 01:47:18,763
it's all been worth it
to watch this new generation.
2243
01:47:21,084 --> 01:47:23,464
- [Robert Irwin] Hey, guys,
so these are leopard cubs.
2244
01:47:23,564 --> 01:47:24,824
- [Jimmy] These are leopards?
2245
01:47:24,924 --> 01:47:26,304
- So these are
little baby leopards.
2246
01:47:26,404 --> 01:47:28,484
Aren't they amazing?
[audience laughs]
2247
01:47:30,924 --> 01:47:32,904
They're so cute,
aren't they?
2248
01:47:33,004 --> 01:47:36,024
[indistinct chatter on TV]
2249
01:47:36,124 --> 01:47:37,625
There you go.
2250
01:47:37,725 --> 01:47:40,665
[sinister music]
2251
01:47:40,765 --> 01:47:44,645
♪♪
2252
01:47:47,605 --> 01:47:50,505
[dramatic music]
2253
01:47:50,605 --> 01:47:54,146
♪♪
2254
01:47:54,246 --> 01:47:56,306
- [Woman] Today,
from Santa Barbara, California,
2255
01:47:56,406 --> 01:47:58,906
a bombshell new film
launches its world premier
2256
01:47:59,006 --> 01:48:02,666
to a sold-out crowd
of moviegoers and reporters.
2257
01:48:02,766 --> 01:48:05,226
The film sheds light
on a previously unknown
2258
01:48:05,326 --> 01:48:08,006
dark corner of the big cat...
2259
01:48:14,407 --> 01:48:16,947
- [George] The family
of the director emeritus
of the Columbus Zoo
2260
01:48:17,047 --> 01:48:18,987
has revealed that he's
been diagnosed with dementia,
2261
01:48:19,087 --> 01:48:21,667
and will no longer
take part in public life.
2262
01:48:21,767 --> 01:48:24,348
- [Woman] Jack Hanna is said to
be taking his final public bow,
2263
01:48:24,448 --> 01:48:26,848
after four decades of...
2264
01:48:34,288 --> 01:48:36,868
- [Woman] The Columbus Zoo
releases a statement today
2265
01:48:36,968 --> 01:48:39,068
expressing that now,
under the new leadership
2266
01:48:39,168 --> 01:48:41,829
of Jerry Borin,
they are publicly supporting
2267
01:48:41,929 --> 01:48:44,229
the Big Cat Public Safety Act.
2268
01:48:44,329 --> 01:48:46,389
Congress is expected
to cast a final vote
2269
01:48:46,489 --> 01:48:48,549
on the federal bill
later this year.
2270
01:48:48,649 --> 01:48:50,789
The statement comes
directly on the heels
2271
01:48:50,889 --> 01:48:52,889
of Jack Hanna's announcement...
2272
01:48:55,169 --> 01:48:57,270
- [Woman] Joe is serving
22 years inside
2273
01:48:57,370 --> 01:48:59,630
the Federal Medical Center
in Fort Worth, Texas,
2274
01:48:59,730 --> 01:49:03,970
for wildlife violations and
a plot to kill Carole Baskin.
2275
01:49:08,370 --> 01:49:10,270
- [Man] And now,
in his first prison interview,
2276
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:13,831
Joe says he's counting
on Carole to get him out.
2277
01:49:13,931 --> 01:49:15,391
- [Joe] To get a pardon,
2278
01:49:15,491 --> 01:49:17,851
I would support
the Big Cat Safety Act.
2279
01:49:21,051 --> 01:49:26,931
♪♪
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