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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,151 --> 00:00:13,109 I cannot sleep. I cannot sleep. 2 00:00:14,551 --> 00:00:18,066 What am I going to do? It's four. 3 00:00:18,751 --> 00:00:21,060 Oh boy, what time do I have? 4 00:00:29,471 --> 00:00:34,101 Just came back from London. It's a big mess. 5 00:00:34,311 --> 00:00:36,381 My table is a big mess. 6 00:00:38,471 --> 00:00:42,350 I am in a mess. My room is a mess. 7 00:00:43,831 --> 00:00:47,301 I just moved to another place. 8 00:00:48,431 --> 00:00:52,982 Look. It's all unpacked, 9 00:00:53,351 --> 00:00:57,264 it's all shelves, it's all boxes. 10 00:00:58,351 --> 00:01:03,471 Boxes. All my life is boxed. 11 00:01:03,951 --> 00:01:07,660 I'm boxed myself into... I don't know where I am. 12 00:01:08,751 --> 00:01:10,821 It's a mess. It's a mess. 13 00:01:15,711 --> 00:01:18,145 I don't know what I'm going to do tonight. 14 00:01:18,351 --> 00:01:21,502 I just cannot sleep. There is this jet lag. 15 00:01:21,911 --> 00:01:25,586 This jet lag. This jet lag. 16 00:01:28,671 --> 00:01:29,820 I don't know. 17 00:01:38,791 --> 00:01:40,065 Noise outside. 18 00:01:42,511 --> 00:01:45,821 There are no birds yet, birds are not singing. 19 00:01:46,471 --> 00:01:50,464 There are some lights outside. Everybody's sleeping. 20 00:01:52,511 --> 00:01:54,741 Everybody's sleeping. 21 00:02:10,911 --> 00:02:13,664 Thursday, I break up. 22 00:02:15,271 --> 00:02:17,227 - Here we are. - It sucks. 23 00:02:19,191 --> 00:02:21,102 And you know, you walk on the street 24 00:02:21,311 --> 00:02:23,506 and then you go home, your heart broken, 25 00:02:23,671 --> 00:02:26,424 and you open the television, and what do you see? 26 00:02:26,751 --> 00:02:29,982 Titanic...! I mean can there be anything worse than that. 27 00:02:30,751 --> 00:02:31,979 It doesn't help. 28 00:02:33,511 --> 00:02:36,264 I only like happy endings, actually. 29 00:02:36,791 --> 00:02:39,703 But it's not true, because I like happy endings, 30 00:02:39,911 --> 00:02:42,823 but if I don't cry then the movie is not good. 31 00:02:43,231 --> 00:02:46,860 So crying is important. There should be some real drama. 32 00:02:48,751 --> 00:02:53,029 But in real life I don't like drama. I like just happy endings. 33 00:02:53,751 --> 00:02:55,981 And now I'm facing a real disaster. 34 00:02:56,631 --> 00:03:00,260 - He left... - Why? So what happened? 35 00:03:01,671 --> 00:03:03,946 The first... this is the first night of... 36 00:03:04,151 --> 00:03:09,225 He left me. He is out of love. He wants to be independent. 37 00:03:11,151 --> 00:03:14,109 I am overshadowing. I have too much energy. 38 00:03:14,431 --> 00:03:16,786 I am just too much. Not just for him, for everybody. 39 00:03:16,991 --> 00:03:18,390 Generally, I'm too much. 40 00:03:18,751 --> 00:03:20,707 And I don't know how to be less. 41 00:03:22,871 --> 00:03:25,943 Or maybe... I don't know. 42 00:03:29,191 --> 00:03:33,025 Is this always the statement: more and more of less and less? 43 00:03:33,551 --> 00:03:35,428 But I'd like so much to... 44 00:03:35,631 --> 00:03:40,102 You know, my real dream... get me in the face, my real dream is 45 00:03:44,071 --> 00:03:46,665 to sit in the wheelchair, 46 00:03:46,871 --> 00:03:49,669 not wheelchair, rocking chair, wheelchair is different... 47 00:03:49,871 --> 00:03:56,504 rocking chair, next to the fireplace, and doing, you know, needlework. 48 00:03:57,191 --> 00:04:02,219 And the husband is coming home, and he's a miner, and he's sweating, 49 00:04:02,391 --> 00:04:07,943 and I give him a white shirt and wash his face, a glass of milk. 50 00:04:08,551 --> 00:04:12,021 And then he puts his hand on my stomach, and I'm pregnant. 51 00:04:12,231 --> 00:04:15,667 And then he says... He just folds his hands gently. 52 00:04:15,871 --> 00:04:18,385 And I look at his eyes and there is love. 53 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:21,025 And then I make the lunch and wash the floor. 54 00:04:21,231 --> 00:04:22,983 And I clean the windows. 55 00:04:23,191 --> 00:04:26,581 And all the bed sheets are ironed. 56 00:04:28,111 --> 00:04:31,183 Real life. I can't do it. 57 00:04:33,751 --> 00:04:34,820 That's it. 58 00:05:04,151 --> 00:05:07,109 To elves and trolls! To elves and trolls! 59 00:06:52,431 --> 00:06:53,784 Carolee... 60 00:06:55,711 --> 00:06:58,350 don't you recognize me? 61 00:06:59,951 --> 00:07:01,270 I am James. 62 00:07:04,551 --> 00:07:08,260 I am your James... James Tenney. 63 00:07:09,471 --> 00:07:14,261 Why didn't you ride me? 64 00:07:16,351 --> 00:07:20,469 Why didn't you ride me? 65 00:08:01,911 --> 00:08:05,381 I decided to move to Brooklyn, second time, 66 00:08:06,031 --> 00:08:09,421 so I buy the Daily News. 67 00:08:10,111 --> 00:08:16,380 There is an apartment in Greenpoint. Ah! So I go, I look. 68 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:19,144 I hate to waste time, 69 00:08:21,911 --> 00:08:25,028 so I take it. I look. It's a good space. 70 00:08:25,631 --> 00:08:31,342 Corner of Sutton Street and Meeker Avenue, 71 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:34,389 somewhere in Greenpoint, the Polish Republic. 72 00:08:36,071 --> 00:08:42,670 And I'm so happy because it's a new building. Just built there. 73 00:08:43,031 --> 00:08:45,750 And I was told, and I believe so, 74 00:08:45,911 --> 00:08:51,190 there was never a building on that spot. Never. 75 00:08:51,711 --> 00:08:55,021 I was the first - I was ecstatic! 76 00:08:55,231 --> 00:09:01,022 I was the first person who lives here on this spot - 77 00:09:01,751 --> 00:09:05,710 where only American Indians, maybe some Dutch, walked. 78 00:09:08,911 --> 00:09:12,426 Really, believe me, I was ecstatic. 79 00:09:13,071 --> 00:09:16,700 I was, you know... fresh ground. 80 00:09:19,511 --> 00:09:22,105 Two years pass. I'm very happy. 81 00:09:22,551 --> 00:09:26,226 Then it comes out that some 30 years ago 82 00:09:26,431 --> 00:09:30,982 there was the biggest oil spill in American history. 83 00:09:31,871 --> 00:09:33,941 And the oil... 84 00:09:34,151 --> 00:09:39,384 the rate of all kinds of diseases in that area 85 00:09:39,591 --> 00:09:42,230 is worse than in any other area. 86 00:09:42,711 --> 00:09:48,149 And so OK, it's bad, but maybe it's OK. 87 00:09:48,351 --> 00:09:50,501 All my friends who visit me say, 88 00:09:50,671 --> 00:09:54,380 "There's somethings wrong with this place." 89 00:09:54,831 --> 00:09:59,825 I say, "No, no, I'm the first on this spot in America. 90 00:10:01,191 --> 00:10:02,146 Great!" 91 00:10:04,631 --> 00:10:08,749 Then, the highway there. 92 00:10:08,911 --> 00:10:12,790 Then I decide to move out, and I move out to where I am now. 93 00:10:15,191 --> 00:10:18,786 Two, three months ago, Linda, a friend, 94 00:10:19,191 --> 00:10:20,909 brings the New York Times 95 00:10:21,311 --> 00:10:25,270 and there is a picture of the corner where my house was, 96 00:10:25,671 --> 00:10:27,662 and her house, on Sutton. 97 00:10:30,031 --> 00:10:32,989 Now there is another poison coming out: 98 00:10:33,471 --> 00:10:35,905 it's the carpet cleaners' soap. 99 00:10:36,951 --> 00:10:38,509 It's all poisoned. 100 00:10:38,871 --> 00:10:42,181 And I was so happy: This is, you know, terrific. 101 00:10:42,391 --> 00:10:47,624 It's poisoned. It's all poisoned ground. 102 00:10:48,391 --> 00:10:52,430 And I'm happy I escaped it in time. 103 00:10:53,191 --> 00:10:55,785 So you never know on this island. 104 00:10:55,951 --> 00:10:59,148 It's all poisoned. The ground is all poisoned. 105 00:11:25,751 --> 00:11:28,823 If it looks like lavender, maybe it is lavender. 106 00:11:32,471 --> 00:11:34,348 This is definitely rosemary. 107 00:11:38,231 --> 00:11:41,985 Ah, he was out, he just ran out. 108 00:11:43,191 --> 00:11:44,590 He's playing games. 109 00:11:49,631 --> 00:11:51,110 He thinks I have something. 110 00:11:52,111 --> 00:11:57,981 ...to eat for him. No, nothing for you. 111 00:12:06,511 --> 00:12:08,741 Ah, the summers. 112 00:12:11,471 --> 00:12:13,541 Ah, the summers. 113 00:12:14,591 --> 00:12:17,549 I used to lie down on the ground 114 00:12:18,311 --> 00:12:23,669 in the very thickness of the woods 115 00:12:25,991 --> 00:12:29,700 and look up at the branches, thick green, 116 00:12:30,231 --> 00:12:34,622 green branches surrounding me 117 00:12:35,471 --> 00:12:38,190 and feeling the earth. 118 00:12:38,671 --> 00:12:40,787 And the heat of the summer. 119 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:43,859 And the sun. 120 00:12:46,711 --> 00:12:49,100 Green, green. 121 00:12:50,271 --> 00:12:55,425 In the early summer, late spring, 122 00:12:56,591 --> 00:13:00,140 fragile green, fragile green. 123 00:13:02,551 --> 00:13:09,468 For hours, for hours I used to lie on the ground, 124 00:13:11,151 --> 00:13:13,107 and just feel the... 125 00:13:15,831 --> 00:13:17,822 ...trees around me. 126 00:13:19,071 --> 00:13:21,869 I was part of nature. 127 00:13:24,911 --> 00:13:26,708 When I was... 128 00:13:28,511 --> 00:13:30,706 ten, eleven, 129 00:13:33,471 --> 00:13:34,347 twelve. 130 00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:40,184 Even later when I used to come home, I used to go 131 00:13:41,231 --> 00:13:47,181 into the woods and lie down on the soft moss 132 00:13:48,191 --> 00:13:54,664 and look at the trees and listen, 133 00:13:55,631 --> 00:14:02,230 deep in the very thickness of the woods of my childhood. 134 00:14:07,551 --> 00:14:09,542 He wants something special. 135 00:14:11,191 --> 00:14:14,342 Like a bee, or something. 136 00:14:39,551 --> 00:14:43,385 See how close he will permit me... OK, OK, OK, 137 00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:46,543 you're a good sport. 138 00:15:01,191 --> 00:15:02,988 That was very good. 139 00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:19,065 Hello, it's me. 140 00:19:32,271 --> 00:19:36,469 A postcard from Donald Richie. 141 00:20:47,191 --> 00:20:48,829 So what's your crisis? 142 00:20:50,351 --> 00:20:51,784 My crisis? 143 00:20:52,511 --> 00:20:58,268 Well, it's just... I feel like a Jewish person, lately. 144 00:21:02,671 --> 00:21:07,984 It's like, how many temples would a Jew build 145 00:21:08,671 --> 00:21:12,220 if he got stuck on an isolated island. 146 00:21:12,711 --> 00:21:14,702 - Two. - Oh, you know that one? 147 00:21:14,911 --> 00:21:17,345 - Yeah. - Exactly. Come on. 148 00:21:17,671 --> 00:21:21,266 Well, one that's your temple, and one that you wouldn't set foot in. 149 00:21:21,631 --> 00:21:22,427 Exactly. 150 00:21:22,591 --> 00:21:24,707 What was that, I couldn't hear. One for... 151 00:21:24,911 --> 00:21:27,584 One that you don't want to come into. 152 00:21:27,791 --> 00:21:29,861 - Which is the real temple. - You refuse to come into. 153 00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:34,030 - The other one you come into. - One is for the other people. 154 00:21:35,151 --> 00:21:37,346 That's not a joke. It's a philosophical condition. 155 00:21:37,551 --> 00:21:38,779 It is philosophical. 156 00:21:39,951 --> 00:21:42,181 - So you feel this now? - I do. 157 00:21:45,511 --> 00:21:48,025 - In what way? - Because I lose my identity. 158 00:21:48,231 --> 00:21:51,064 But the Greek temple was only accessible to the priest. 159 00:21:51,431 --> 00:21:52,341 True. 160 00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,347 But you mean in your daily life you feel this? 161 00:21:57,511 --> 00:22:01,424 Yeah, because, am I an artist, or am I a publisher? 162 00:22:02,471 --> 00:22:05,508 You're an artist. I think you're an artist. 163 00:22:05,711 --> 00:22:07,702 But artist is a very bad term. 164 00:22:09,031 --> 00:22:11,101 Very bad. Publisher is very precise. 165 00:22:14,311 --> 00:22:15,426 So generous of you. 166 00:22:15,591 --> 00:22:20,028 What are you? Are you a painter, a sculptor? What are you? 167 00:22:23,271 --> 00:22:25,307 I think the word "artist" should be forbidden. 168 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:27,547 It should be eliminated from the language. 169 00:22:27,751 --> 00:22:30,743 I agree. You agree with that, Jonas? 170 00:22:31,311 --> 00:22:34,030 Yes. With Raimund, I agree. 171 00:22:34,231 --> 00:22:38,702 And you should not worry about it. You can do two, and three things. 172 00:22:39,351 --> 00:22:40,830 Yeah, well you've done it. 173 00:22:41,031 --> 00:22:43,670 Yes, I'm living proof that it can be done. 174 00:22:45,991 --> 00:22:49,700 I don't know why you worry about it. What's this crisis? 175 00:22:49,951 --> 00:22:53,068 And some of those conflicts are good. 176 00:22:54,071 --> 00:22:55,265 I don't know, Jonas. 177 00:22:55,471 --> 00:22:58,941 I know it's good. Conflicts are good. 178 00:23:00,391 --> 00:23:04,225 - So you've gone through it? - Yeah, we all go through it. 179 00:23:04,511 --> 00:23:05,387 You'll see. 180 00:23:08,151 --> 00:23:10,949 You emerge and then you go, 181 00:23:11,151 --> 00:23:13,665 and it's boring, no conflicts, no nothing. 182 00:23:13,871 --> 00:23:19,468 Then suddenly you have problems and doubts and crisis. 183 00:23:19,631 --> 00:23:21,587 And it's terrific. 184 00:23:22,751 --> 00:23:25,470 So you have become more and more a publisher. 185 00:23:25,631 --> 00:23:27,462 See, you have to be careful. 186 00:23:27,671 --> 00:23:31,789 No, you had, Phong, you really had a very subtle balance: 187 00:23:31,991 --> 00:23:35,666 between doing your stuff and... 188 00:23:36,871 --> 00:23:40,420 That's where the crisis arises. That's where it arises. 189 00:23:40,631 --> 00:23:45,625 Because I feel I haven't been able to create an equilibrium 190 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:48,021 between the two or three or four... 191 00:23:48,231 --> 00:23:49,425 It's hard. 192 00:23:49,791 --> 00:23:52,305 Do you need to create an equilibrium? 193 00:23:52,511 --> 00:23:54,547 Some kind of balance, Jonas. 194 00:23:57,151 --> 00:24:00,541 Balanced situations are boring. 195 00:24:00,831 --> 00:24:05,268 Yeah, I know. But they start, Jonas, when you start thinking about it. 196 00:24:05,551 --> 00:24:07,382 In the past you never thought about. 197 00:24:07,591 --> 00:24:09,900 You did your stuff, you published the Rail. 198 00:24:10,431 --> 00:24:12,740 From the moment you start thinking about it: 199 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,907 Should I do a little more painting, 200 00:24:15,111 --> 00:24:17,909 and less publishing? -- it's already a problem. 201 00:24:19,111 --> 00:24:22,308 - It's the mind. - The thinking about it sounds like... 202 00:24:24,751 --> 00:24:29,108 ...symptom. You know what you need to know already 203 00:24:29,271 --> 00:24:30,465 by thinking about it. 204 00:24:30,671 --> 00:24:33,060 If you didn't think about it, it wouldn't be a problem. 205 00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:35,865 - I try not to. It's hard. - What do you mean? 206 00:24:36,031 --> 00:24:39,262 I mean if you start to think about it, then 207 00:24:39,471 --> 00:24:42,269 it's an indication that there is something that doesn't feel right. 208 00:24:42,591 --> 00:24:45,105 No, no, there may be nothing. 209 00:24:45,311 --> 00:24:49,384 Just one thinks, and there is no reason. 210 00:24:50,231 --> 00:24:51,903 There is nothing... 211 00:24:53,031 --> 00:24:55,545 Some of the thinking is totally useless. 212 00:24:56,271 --> 00:24:58,660 It interferes with... 213 00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,903 Just do what you love to do! 214 00:25:04,631 --> 00:25:09,182 If you don't feel the urge to do what you want to do, it's fake anyhow. 215 00:25:10,191 --> 00:25:11,306 Fake it? Fake it? 216 00:25:28,911 --> 00:25:30,663 How's it going Mr. Mekas? 217 00:25:33,951 --> 00:25:35,270 How are you? 218 00:25:39,831 --> 00:25:41,981 It's been what, two years now, three years? 219 00:25:42,191 --> 00:25:43,465 Yeah, let's continue. 220 00:25:43,671 --> 00:25:46,026 ...since we last danced. Oh, no, since that dance? 221 00:25:46,231 --> 00:25:48,347 That was like five years ago. 222 00:25:48,871 --> 00:25:51,783 - No, no that was not... - No, it was like three and a half? 223 00:25:52,111 --> 00:25:53,510 Three? Time goes. 224 00:25:54,311 --> 00:25:58,145 I try to add years to make it sound like it wasn't so long ago 225 00:25:58,351 --> 00:26:00,865 that I was in such horrific condition. 226 00:26:01,031 --> 00:26:07,061 And doing a lot of bad things. And Jonas would have his wine there. 227 00:26:07,271 --> 00:26:10,741 And I had never seen a filmmaker -- he would like -- 228 00:26:10,951 --> 00:26:12,589 there would be magazines 229 00:26:12,791 --> 00:26:16,022 and he would set the camera down on the edge of the magazine. 230 00:26:16,191 --> 00:26:19,501 And every once in a while would go, with his wrist. 231 00:26:21,351 --> 00:26:23,262 And then it would fall down, and he would laugh, 232 00:26:23,471 --> 00:26:25,382 and then kind of pick it up and go. 233 00:26:25,791 --> 00:26:27,702 It was really, really great. 234 00:26:28,231 --> 00:26:30,870 And it was always on an edge, I noticed. 235 00:26:31,071 --> 00:26:33,744 You always put it on an edge so it could get a little bit of a wobble. 236 00:26:33,951 --> 00:26:35,304 It couldn't be that steady. 237 00:26:35,551 --> 00:26:37,303 So, Jonas, we're going to get married. 238 00:26:37,751 --> 00:26:41,505 She's going to be my wife. She's my teenage bride. 239 00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:46,185 So, this is an important moment. 240 00:27:43,751 --> 00:27:48,029 Why don't those people come in? Are those girls waiting? 241 00:27:58,871 --> 00:27:59,906 What's the news? 242 00:28:00,471 --> 00:28:03,781 I've got to tell you something pretty phenomenal. 243 00:28:04,231 --> 00:28:09,259 She's pregnant, Jonas. She's going to have my baby, Jonas. 244 00:28:11,351 --> 00:28:14,741 Can't you tell? She's six days pregnant. 245 00:28:18,031 --> 00:28:19,146 Six hours. 246 00:28:19,751 --> 00:28:20,786 That was great. 247 00:28:23,751 --> 00:28:25,582 Six days pregnant. 248 00:28:34,111 --> 00:28:35,510 I can't complain. 249 00:28:38,711 --> 00:28:40,303 This is the new baby. 250 00:28:44,271 --> 00:28:47,502 - This is incredible. - This is the newest Korine: Lefty. 251 00:28:48,671 --> 00:28:50,423 Every step I have... 252 00:28:50,631 --> 00:28:52,349 He has my whole life. 253 00:28:54,951 --> 00:28:57,181 Did you hurt your leg? Someone told me you hurt your leg. 254 00:28:57,351 --> 00:29:00,741 No! What do you mean? Who is slandering me? 255 00:29:08,471 --> 00:29:10,143 - What's the name? - Lefty. 256 00:29:12,271 --> 00:29:15,820 Lefty! You are OK, Lefty. 257 00:29:16,351 --> 00:29:18,148 Lefty, say hi to Jonas. 258 00:29:20,351 --> 00:29:22,307 Oh, she narrowed her eyes. 259 00:29:31,471 --> 00:29:32,904 Well-documented... 260 00:31:16,311 --> 00:31:18,427 Many, many thanks to Jean-Jacques Lebel, 261 00:31:18,631 --> 00:31:20,269 and many, many thanks to Ben Vautier. 262 00:31:20,471 --> 00:31:23,747 We now have a coffee break, or tea break. 263 00:32:02,231 --> 00:32:03,869 Au revoir, Louis Garrel. 264 00:32:14,511 --> 00:32:17,469 This girl was my girlfriend when I was seventeen. 265 00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:20,191 She's an actress. She's a wonderful actress. 266 00:32:20,391 --> 00:32:25,419 One day I was outside with my friends -- and I was like sixteen. 267 00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:29,103 It was not really my group, you know, a mixed group. 268 00:32:29,471 --> 00:32:31,905 People, like straight and a bit classic. 269 00:32:32,111 --> 00:32:34,227 - It wasn't your gang. - And we saw a girl... 270 00:32:34,431 --> 00:32:38,106 It wasn't really a gang, a gang like you. 271 00:32:39,031 --> 00:32:45,140 So I saw a girl, right from the end of the street there, coming to us 272 00:32:45,871 --> 00:32:49,102 like in the -- what's the name of the carnival in Rio? 273 00:32:50,111 --> 00:32:51,339 Carnival. 274 00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:57,583 A girl dressed like at the Carnival, in the streets of Paris. 275 00:32:57,831 --> 00:33:03,701 With a big thing in the air, a red dress, like a frou-frou. 276 00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:07,706 And all my friends said: Look at this stupid girl 277 00:33:08,031 --> 00:33:11,148 walking around Paris like at the Carnival. And I say, yeah. 278 00:33:11,551 --> 00:33:13,746 And that was my girlfriend, right? 279 00:33:15,391 --> 00:33:16,665 That was her. 280 00:33:17,071 --> 00:33:19,744 And I say, Don't laugh, that's my girlfriend. 281 00:33:19,951 --> 00:33:23,546 Because at the beginning I didn't recognize her. 282 00:33:24,031 --> 00:33:27,501 I said, She's stu-pid -- no, that's my girlfriend. 283 00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:41,427 Est-ce que vous voulez un petit coup que Gerard vous offre? 284 00:33:43,351 --> 00:33:45,023 Do you want anything else? 285 00:33:46,671 --> 00:33:47,990 C'est tout. 286 00:33:48,351 --> 00:33:50,421 Mon whisky c'est de la merde? Merci monsieur! 287 00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:52,506 Fini. 288 00:33:56,031 --> 00:33:58,864 - Ça sera pour une autre fois alors. - Merci Gerard, t'es trap gentil. 289 00:33:59,071 --> 00:34:02,780 Because he wanted to offer us some drinks. 290 00:34:05,351 --> 00:34:09,264 So he's angry because he thinks you don't like his whiskey. 291 00:34:09,751 --> 00:34:12,219 No we like it. Oh... 292 00:34:56,591 --> 00:34:58,263 Have a try first. 293 00:35:01,991 --> 00:35:03,709 ...if you can still drink it. 294 00:35:08,551 --> 00:35:11,861 It's still drinkable, but maybe it's going. 295 00:35:24,431 --> 00:35:26,069 Have you drunk this before? 296 00:35:26,951 --> 00:35:29,146 - Yeah. - So you can compare. 297 00:35:32,071 --> 00:35:36,508 ...how it aged. I mean, it's very noble... 298 00:35:38,071 --> 00:35:40,301 ...kind of wine. 299 00:35:40,671 --> 00:35:45,586 But I think it's getting tired, I think. Did you try? 300 00:35:52,231 --> 00:35:53,380 Pass that other glass. 301 00:35:53,591 --> 00:35:56,344 - Or I will drink from the bo-- - No, no, we have another glass. 302 00:35:56,711 --> 00:35:58,269 Just a little bit in there. 303 00:36:03,831 --> 00:36:05,469 So, folks. 304 00:36:08,111 --> 00:36:12,343 To you, sir. To your cellar, 305 00:36:12,511 --> 00:36:15,787 to your father, to your family, to your ancestors. 306 00:36:15,991 --> 00:36:21,623 To those who still make this wine. 307 00:36:40,591 --> 00:36:41,501 Rolling? 308 00:36:44,871 --> 00:36:49,308 Marie Menken, Marie Menken. 309 00:36:53,271 --> 00:36:59,267 A filmmaker, and a beautiful person. 310 00:37:03,151 --> 00:37:06,826 A filmmaker and a person 311 00:37:09,271 --> 00:37:15,426 that only now we are beginning to really know and appreciate, 312 00:37:16,871 --> 00:37:21,149 what she was and what she did for cinema. 313 00:37:23,031 --> 00:37:28,901 She was so humble and so much in the background, 314 00:37:32,031 --> 00:37:37,788 and her films were so small, 315 00:37:38,151 --> 00:37:42,383 lyrical, personal, unassuming, 316 00:37:42,871 --> 00:37:48,901 almost invisible little poems, 317 00:37:49,511 --> 00:37:54,301 that it took that long - that long -- 318 00:37:54,791 --> 00:38:01,105 to really begin to see and appreciate what she really did. 319 00:38:01,471 --> 00:38:04,429 She was not taken too seriously. 320 00:38:06,191 --> 00:38:12,107 Her influence, her style, her work with single frame, 321 00:38:14,191 --> 00:38:18,707 and reality that was very casual -- 322 00:38:19,031 --> 00:38:23,786 there was nothing important in her films -- it's very casual. 323 00:38:27,151 --> 00:38:30,780 Her house was open to everybody. 324 00:38:32,351 --> 00:38:35,787 The same with her husband, Willard Maas, 325 00:38:36,671 --> 00:38:40,186 who was equally open to... 326 00:38:40,631 --> 00:38:45,466 I mean, Kenneth Anger stayed for months in their house, 327 00:38:46,071 --> 00:38:50,587 and he admits the influence, direct and indirect. 328 00:38:51,031 --> 00:38:54,865 Stan Brakhage, Norman McLaren, 329 00:38:55,071 --> 00:38:58,950 many filmmakers passed through that house. 330 00:38:59,351 --> 00:39:04,505 And when I saw myself her little film "Notebook" -- 331 00:39:05,031 --> 00:39:10,503 just like a notebook of little scenes from her life -- 332 00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:15,947 I was so taken by it. 333 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:20,947 Here was somebody who's also doing what I was trying to do, 334 00:39:21,111 --> 00:39:24,899 and doing so well, doing so well. 335 00:39:30,111 --> 00:39:32,864 Marie Menken. Marie Menken. 336 00:39:33,431 --> 00:39:38,300 Making her little, lyrical poems. 337 00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:43,950 Developing the form of a lyrical, very personal cinema. 338 00:39:44,471 --> 00:39:50,740 The avant-garde film of the 60s became known 339 00:39:53,151 --> 00:39:57,463 by some blockbusters like "Dog Star Man," 340 00:39:57,871 --> 00:40:00,704 or "The Flower Thief," 341 00:40:00,911 --> 00:40:03,550 or Kenneth Anger's "Scorpio Rising" -- 342 00:40:03,711 --> 00:40:06,509 very impressive, sort-of monumental works. 343 00:40:06,711 --> 00:40:09,225 And she was making little films 344 00:40:10,911 --> 00:40:15,427 that had nothing very important about them. 345 00:40:15,711 --> 00:40:19,989 So at that time, they were not noticed. 346 00:40:20,391 --> 00:40:24,066 There were some other filmmakers that are beginning to emerge -- 347 00:40:24,271 --> 00:40:26,466 like Piero Heliczer -- 348 00:40:29,511 --> 00:40:34,585 that had taken a more lyrical direction, 349 00:40:34,951 --> 00:40:40,150 therefore somehow -- at that time -- 350 00:40:40,751 --> 00:40:45,063 the time passed them, or they passed the time, 351 00:40:45,271 --> 00:40:51,346 and here they are now, now we are really beginning to see 352 00:40:53,071 --> 00:40:57,269 Marie Menken's real contribution to cinema. 353 00:40:59,151 --> 00:41:01,619 She was a lyrical soul. 354 00:41:03,311 --> 00:41:08,863 Her ancestors -- her mother, I mean -- was Lithuanian. 355 00:41:09,871 --> 00:41:15,423 She still remembered some Lithuanian songs from her childhood. 356 00:41:15,791 --> 00:41:20,069 Lithuania in general is lyrical -- there are no big rivers, 357 00:41:20,231 --> 00:41:23,587 no big mountains. Everything is small. 358 00:41:23,791 --> 00:41:29,707 That's her background. And she used to still remember some songs. 359 00:41:30,391 --> 00:41:34,270 And we sometimes used to sing some of them, 360 00:41:35,071 --> 00:41:38,507 like this one... 361 00:42:10,111 --> 00:42:13,581 I'm a little girl, like a little rose. 362 00:42:13,991 --> 00:42:18,906 I'm like a little lily in a flower garden. 363 00:43:13,431 --> 00:43:15,991 Luxembourg, Luxembourg. 364 00:43:43,071 --> 00:43:44,186 To you. 365 00:43:44,751 --> 00:43:48,221 To Marie. To Marie Menken. 366 00:43:55,871 --> 00:44:00,547 To you Marie. And Willard too. 367 00:44:30,111 --> 00:44:32,341 - ...like in this space. - It becomes alive. 368 00:44:32,551 --> 00:44:36,339 Like in this space nothing ever evil happened. You know. 369 00:44:36,791 --> 00:44:38,270 Nothing evil happened. 370 00:44:39,391 --> 00:44:44,943 This was a shoe factory. Shoe factory this was. Made shoes. 371 00:44:45,151 --> 00:44:49,542 I know. When I was looking for my loft in 1970, 372 00:44:50,151 --> 00:44:52,585 there was a place on Broadway. 373 00:44:52,791 --> 00:44:54,747 I think it was around 12th street. 374 00:44:55,511 --> 00:44:57,422 And there was a beautiful loft, 375 00:44:57,871 --> 00:45:02,581 and I felt like it was terrifying, and I didn't know why. 376 00:45:03,031 --> 00:45:06,262 And I walked out, and there came a little boy from the other room, 377 00:45:06,471 --> 00:45:09,144 and I said, "You know who lived here?" 378 00:45:09,311 --> 00:45:11,666 He said, "Oh yeah, there was a German painter 379 00:45:11,871 --> 00:45:14,829 - "who committed suicide last week." - Last week? 380 00:45:15,431 --> 00:45:18,901 Yeah. Or two weeks ago, whatever. You could feel it. 381 00:45:19,871 --> 00:45:21,270 You could feel it. 382 00:45:21,871 --> 00:45:23,589 It's very choking for you. 383 00:45:23,951 --> 00:45:27,500 You don't, you cannot breathe in such a space. 384 00:45:31,711 --> 00:45:35,784 You look like you have two weapons, pointing at each other. 385 00:45:35,951 --> 00:45:38,385 They're not weapons. 386 00:45:38,751 --> 00:45:40,469 - Oh yes they are. - They're friends. 387 00:45:40,671 --> 00:45:43,231 - No, no, they're weapons. - Tools. 388 00:45:45,271 --> 00:45:48,581 The Indians believe if you take a photograph of them 389 00:45:48,791 --> 00:45:51,305 it takes the soul away. 390 00:46:00,511 --> 00:46:04,709 The only way I think that you could maybe take the soul away is by... 391 00:46:04,911 --> 00:46:08,984 You take a picture and then you have a picture of that person 392 00:46:09,311 --> 00:46:12,747 and you sort of keep looking and imagining. 393 00:46:12,911 --> 00:46:16,426 That means, you are projecting already to that person 394 00:46:16,591 --> 00:46:18,388 whatever thoughts you have. 395 00:46:18,591 --> 00:46:21,469 If you have bad thoughts, you could affect... 396 00:46:21,831 --> 00:46:24,629 - So the picture has some magic. - If you have a picture, 397 00:46:24,831 --> 00:46:26,503 in a way you possess... 398 00:46:26,711 --> 00:46:28,303 Yes, so it possesses something. 399 00:46:28,511 --> 00:46:31,947 There is something. One could really make a case out of it. 400 00:46:32,951 --> 00:46:35,511 But since we don't know what the soul is... 401 00:46:35,791 --> 00:46:38,749 Yeah, that's something else. 402 00:46:40,511 --> 00:46:43,389 It's not you, the soul, in your body; 403 00:46:43,591 --> 00:46:46,867 it's your body in the soul, in a part of the soul, but... 404 00:46:47,711 --> 00:46:50,145 But, you see, the soul is part of the body. 405 00:46:50,311 --> 00:46:52,267 Like Giordano Bruno said... 406 00:46:52,471 --> 00:46:54,666 No, no. The body is part of the soul. 407 00:46:54,831 --> 00:46:59,507 Nobody can really control, affect your soul. But your body-- 408 00:46:59,871 --> 00:47:03,386 your mind, it can control your mind a little bit. 409 00:47:03,631 --> 00:47:07,226 But Giordano Bruno said your soul dies with the body 410 00:47:07,391 --> 00:47:10,303 only the spirit survives. I believe that. 411 00:47:10,511 --> 00:47:14,390 Yeah, yeah, so now we are confused between spirit and soul. 412 00:47:15,351 --> 00:47:20,141 The body is part of the soul, just a part of the soul. 413 00:47:21,151 --> 00:47:23,062 There is no soul in the body. 414 00:47:23,431 --> 00:47:28,630 If the body dies, this part is gone, but the soul is there. 415 00:47:31,671 --> 00:47:33,662 Yeah, whatever. 416 00:47:36,071 --> 00:47:38,790 You believe in eternal life anyhow. 417 00:47:38,991 --> 00:47:42,427 You believe in eternal life, forever. You said life is forever. 418 00:47:42,871 --> 00:47:45,624 No end. Life is forever. No end. 419 00:47:46,191 --> 00:47:47,544 Only if you make something. 420 00:47:47,751 --> 00:47:50,265 - Only one life, but no end. - I drink to that. 421 00:47:52,991 --> 00:47:56,267 Yeah! It's like a river, like water, like an ocean. No end. 422 00:47:56,431 --> 00:47:57,420 Like a creek. 423 00:48:04,111 --> 00:48:06,386 Again, and again, again. 424 00:48:12,031 --> 00:48:15,660 Because when the maggots eat you when you're buried... 425 00:49:52,511 --> 00:49:56,390 - OK, what are we doing here? - It's just like elephant. 426 00:49:56,751 --> 00:49:58,389 - Yes, yes. - Just like elephant. 427 00:49:58,551 --> 00:50:00,826 - When you come close to an elephant. - Yes. 428 00:50:00,991 --> 00:50:03,459 It's strange. If you just suspend reality a moment, 429 00:50:03,631 --> 00:50:05,701 you really think you are touching elephant. 430 00:50:05,911 --> 00:50:10,621 Yes, yes, it's amazing. This tree is amazing. 431 00:50:11,031 --> 00:50:17,027 The color. The texture. The touch too? No, is this real? 432 00:50:17,871 --> 00:50:21,500 This is real! Not made up. 433 00:50:22,271 --> 00:50:23,863 Pretend tree. 434 00:50:25,431 --> 00:50:28,104 It's everything you'd want to see in a tree. 435 00:50:29,751 --> 00:50:33,380 But it's also like a horse. Like a horse's back leg muscle. 436 00:50:34,111 --> 00:50:37,421 You know that? Just like the back leg of a horse. 437 00:50:37,951 --> 00:50:39,942 It's that wonderful strong muscle. 438 00:50:40,311 --> 00:50:43,428 You come behind and you don't know if it's going to kick you or something. 439 00:50:45,271 --> 00:50:48,946 Exactly. This is like the neck of the horse. 440 00:50:49,391 --> 00:50:53,464 And this is like the mane. 441 00:50:54,111 --> 00:50:57,103 The mane of the horse that I used to hold onto 442 00:50:57,271 --> 00:51:00,741 when I was usually standing on my head right here. 443 00:51:01,151 --> 00:51:02,470 On the back of the horse? 444 00:51:02,671 --> 00:51:05,265 Oh boy. Was the horse moving? 445 00:51:05,671 --> 00:51:08,310 Yeah, riding home from the pasture. 446 00:51:08,511 --> 00:51:12,470 It's the neck absolutely. Look. Just suspend... 447 00:51:12,871 --> 00:51:15,749 Lisbon's a beautiful place, but suspend for a moment 448 00:51:15,951 --> 00:51:19,705 and it's like, you are... it's the horse. It really is the neck 449 00:51:20,831 --> 00:51:25,461 I am an old tree, 450 00:51:27,511 --> 00:51:31,789 but I have been many things. 451 00:51:32,431 --> 00:51:38,461 I have been a horse. I have been an elephant. 452 00:51:40,311 --> 00:51:42,222 And the rest is Lisbon. 453 00:51:42,911 --> 00:51:46,301 And I can see, and I can feel. 454 00:51:46,631 --> 00:51:47,780 Some messages? 455 00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:50,825 Here is a present for you. 456 00:51:52,351 --> 00:51:54,421 He just sent us this message. 457 00:51:59,791 --> 00:52:02,385 Good, good. Thank you, tree. 458 00:52:03,951 --> 00:52:05,145 Maybe it's edible. 459 00:52:11,591 --> 00:52:13,149 So that's Lisbon. 460 00:52:14,471 --> 00:52:15,870 Now where should we go? 461 00:52:31,391 --> 00:52:32,141 But now, 462 00:52:32,431 --> 00:52:32,511 I would like to - oh this is like Hollywood -- 463 00:52:32,511 --> 00:52:34,866 I would like to - oh this is like Hollywood -- 464 00:52:35,071 --> 00:52:35,787 repeat. 465 00:52:36,751 --> 00:52:41,222 To Emerson and P. Adams, 466 00:52:41,911 --> 00:52:47,747 our friend P. Adams and Emerson. 467 00:53:00,071 --> 00:53:02,710 The seats of the house are now open. 468 00:53:11,391 --> 00:53:15,270 - To... yes to... - This is Jack Kerouac's evening. 469 00:53:15,431 --> 00:53:19,140 - Yes, to Jack Kerouac. - For whom we drink this Fernet. 470 00:53:20,351 --> 00:53:23,309 I don't think he drank that but... 471 00:53:24,231 --> 00:53:27,541 - To Kerouac. - So now to Jack, 472 00:53:27,911 --> 00:53:32,780 and to his friend Bill and Allen 473 00:53:33,151 --> 00:53:36,063 and Gregory and all the other guys. 474 00:53:36,551 --> 00:53:38,348 So in America as the sun goes down 475 00:53:38,871 --> 00:53:41,021 and I sit on the old broken-down river pier 476 00:53:41,231 --> 00:53:43,984 watching the long, long skies over New Jersey 477 00:53:44,431 --> 00:53:46,308 and I sense all that raw land that rolls 478 00:53:46,511 --> 00:53:48,741 in one unbelievable huge bulge over the West Coast. 479 00:53:49,311 --> 00:53:51,779 And in Iowa the children must be crying 480 00:53:51,991 --> 00:53:53,982 in the land where they let the children cry. 481 00:53:54,391 --> 00:53:56,541 And don't you know that God is Pooh Bear. 482 00:53:56,991 --> 00:53:59,141 - God is what? - Pooh Bear. 483 00:53:59,351 --> 00:54:00,864 The evening star must be drooping 484 00:54:01,071 --> 00:54:02,982 and shedding her sparkler dims over the prairie, 485 00:54:03,191 --> 00:54:05,068 which is just before the coming of complete night 486 00:54:05,271 --> 00:54:07,626 that cups the peaks and folds in the final shores, 487 00:54:08,191 --> 00:54:10,910 and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to anybody 488 00:54:11,071 --> 00:54:13,266 besides the forlorn rags of growing old. 489 00:54:13,671 --> 00:54:14,990 I think of Dean Moriarty, 490 00:54:15,431 --> 00:54:18,548 I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, 491 00:54:19,191 --> 00:54:23,264 I think of Dean Moriarty. I think of Dean Moriarty. 492 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:30,104 - To you sir! - To Kerouac. 493 00:54:36,911 --> 00:54:38,947 Crunch of the apple. 494 00:54:40,111 --> 00:54:42,067 What else are you holding in there? 495 00:54:44,191 --> 00:54:46,751 I should talk to an analyst and find out. 496 00:55:09,351 --> 00:55:14,709 This July 4th, with Dalius, 497 00:55:16,551 --> 00:55:19,190 we escaped the city 498 00:55:21,071 --> 00:55:25,064 and went to Peekskill 499 00:55:27,511 --> 00:55:31,106 to visit his brother Audrius. 500 00:55:34,551 --> 00:55:40,148 I hadn't seen Audrius, maybe for two years. 501 00:55:46,191 --> 00:55:52,505 We discovered that Audrius is not doing that well. 502 00:55:54,591 --> 00:55:57,901 He's not really doing his work, 503 00:55:58,991 --> 00:56:01,380 at least to my... 504 00:56:04,871 --> 00:56:10,548 judgment of what artists should be doing. 505 00:56:14,351 --> 00:56:21,109 He was there, but going through some kind of crisis, 506 00:56:22,591 --> 00:56:25,503 of maybe boredom, 507 00:56:25,951 --> 00:56:31,708 to be, to live in an artists' community. 508 00:56:32,791 --> 00:56:35,351 Artists' community. 509 00:56:37,311 --> 00:56:40,701 A crisis caused maybe by... 510 00:56:43,431 --> 00:56:44,625 boredom. 511 00:56:50,031 --> 00:56:54,741 It is not easy to be by oneself 512 00:57:00,871 --> 00:57:05,865 and continue to work with the same intensity. 513 00:57:07,431 --> 00:57:12,664 Van Gogh, I understand Van Gogh. 514 00:57:15,031 --> 00:57:19,343 OK, Cézanne. He was there in his little... 515 00:57:21,031 --> 00:57:23,101 country studio, 516 00:57:23,871 --> 00:57:27,466 but he could go, not very far, 517 00:57:28,111 --> 00:57:31,706 to Marseilles, to Aix-en-Provence. 518 00:57:32,791 --> 00:57:35,259 Here is nothing. 519 00:57:36,831 --> 00:57:37,707 Nothing. 520 00:57:37,871 --> 00:57:40,339 Audrius took us in his car, 521 00:57:41,631 --> 00:57:44,145 showed the town, 522 00:57:44,991 --> 00:57:48,904 the miserable town of Peekskill. 523 00:57:53,031 --> 00:57:54,589 Even the bar, 524 00:57:55,631 --> 00:57:57,144 the only bar 525 00:57:58,711 --> 00:58:04,229 that there was that Audrius said was OK, 526 00:58:05,271 --> 00:58:06,465 a real bar, 527 00:58:07,551 --> 00:58:09,462 was closed. 528 00:58:10,831 --> 00:58:15,347 We could not even get a beer. 529 00:58:18,111 --> 00:58:21,228 Yes, Peekskill. 530 00:58:22,311 --> 00:58:24,188 The town of Peekskill. 531 00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:34,503 Then, we said, instead let's go and see the river. 532 00:58:35,951 --> 00:58:40,263 The nature. The nature. 533 00:58:41,231 --> 00:58:43,540 At least there is nature. 534 00:58:44,191 --> 00:58:46,580 Even when there are no people 535 00:58:48,911 --> 00:58:50,424 there is nature. 536 00:58:51,711 --> 00:58:54,145 So we went 537 00:58:55,911 --> 00:58:58,664 to the Hudson River. 538 00:59:08,071 --> 00:59:09,026 Yes, 539 00:59:13,351 --> 00:59:16,423 to continue, to be by oneself 540 00:59:17,511 --> 00:59:21,345 and continue with the same intensity, 541 00:59:27,711 --> 00:59:28,939 that is 542 00:59:30,791 --> 00:59:31,985 the artist's 543 00:59:34,391 --> 00:59:35,665 challenge. 544 01:00:22,431 --> 01:00:25,343 See you next July 4th, 545 01:00:26,591 --> 01:00:29,583 just to check how you're doing. 546 01:00:59,191 --> 01:01:01,751 Yes, to Amy! 547 01:01:02,111 --> 01:01:04,500 - To Amy! - To Amy! 548 01:01:05,231 --> 01:01:10,863 Who is not singing with middle-class voice, 549 01:01:12,991 --> 01:01:14,549 but singing from 550 01:01:21,791 --> 01:01:28,185 her deepest, lowest, mixed-up, complex, 551 01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:35,267 lower depths. 552 01:01:38,751 --> 01:01:43,108 Oh sing, keep singing, Amy. Keep singing. 553 01:01:43,511 --> 01:01:47,823 Don't worry about, don't pay attention to whoever... 554 01:01:50,311 --> 01:01:55,783 ...whoever says whatever about you. Amy, we are with you! 555 01:01:57,711 --> 01:01:59,429 Yes, we are with you. 556 01:02:08,591 --> 01:02:12,027 One cannot sing like this if one is normal, 557 01:02:12,671 --> 01:02:14,946 if one is normal middle class. 558 01:02:15,831 --> 01:02:21,064 Normal people sing with middle-class voices. 559 01:02:54,231 --> 01:02:57,382 You see, an artist, 560 01:03:00,431 --> 01:03:05,300 in order to allow the muses to enter 561 01:03:07,231 --> 01:03:12,066 into his or her body, 562 01:03:13,631 --> 01:03:17,829 first all the fences, resistance, 563 01:03:20,391 --> 01:03:21,710 nets, 564 01:03:23,791 --> 01:03:25,702 radar systems 565 01:03:27,431 --> 01:03:32,789 that prevent them to enter us 566 01:03:33,511 --> 01:03:38,027 must be destroyed, melted, eliminated 567 01:03:39,711 --> 01:03:41,508 by whatever means, 568 01:03:44,391 --> 01:03:45,346 because 569 01:03:48,631 --> 01:03:51,225 to allow the muses to do their work 570 01:03:51,671 --> 01:03:56,062 is more important than our bodies. 571 01:04:20,751 --> 01:04:22,946 - ...cause that was after you were sober. 572 01:04:24,391 --> 01:04:26,621 Well, there was a woman named Barbara Dunn -- 573 01:04:26,791 --> 01:04:28,941 this is an advance, 574 01:04:29,111 --> 01:04:32,990 because this is going to be in the reissued story, the reissued book 575 01:04:33,511 --> 01:04:35,979 -- who was a columnist at Street News. 576 01:04:36,191 --> 01:04:38,944 She had a senior column called "Elder but Betters." 577 01:04:39,311 --> 01:04:42,269 And when I became Editor I decided to read everything 578 01:04:42,751 --> 01:04:44,343 that went into the thing. 579 01:04:44,551 --> 01:04:49,227 And she did a column about going off to the Second World War 580 01:04:49,391 --> 01:04:53,589 and going to Europe and being some kind of candy striper thing. 581 01:04:54,951 --> 01:04:57,943 And in the second paragraph she starts with, 582 01:04:58,151 --> 01:05:00,460 "When I went off to my war," blah blah blah -- 583 01:05:00,671 --> 01:05:03,105 and I thought: She's buried the lead. 584 01:05:03,511 --> 01:05:06,423 Let me call her up, because that should be the first line. 585 01:05:06,591 --> 01:05:08,582 If you have a picture of an elderly woman 586 01:05:08,791 --> 01:05:11,100 and the first line is "When I went off to my war," 587 01:05:11,311 --> 01:05:14,348 you're going to keep reading. Sol called her up, 588 01:05:14,791 --> 01:05:17,100 and she doesn't give in. 589 01:05:17,311 --> 01:05:19,506 She says: Well, come on up and we'll talk about it. 590 01:05:19,711 --> 01:05:20,985 Now this woman, 591 01:05:21,311 --> 01:05:25,668 she and her husband owned a Shelter Island Weekly paper 592 01:05:26,231 --> 01:05:28,347 -- for years -- and then they sold it, 593 01:05:28,551 --> 01:05:30,985 and her husband had drunk himself to death. 594 01:05:31,391 --> 01:05:35,304 And she was, in fact, working up a good affair with the bottle, 595 01:05:35,751 --> 01:05:39,187 because when I came up there she was on crutches, 596 01:05:39,391 --> 01:05:43,100 because she had broken her hip in a fall. 597 01:05:43,311 --> 01:05:47,463 And I walk there and I meet her 598 01:05:47,671 --> 01:05:51,141 -- she lives in a high rise on the Upper West Side -- 599 01:05:52,271 --> 01:05:54,831 and there's a sideboard near the door 600 01:05:55,191 --> 01:05:59,025 and on that are two half-gallon jugs of Stolichnaya. 601 01:05:59,671 --> 01:06:02,344 - Of what? - Stolichnaya. Vodka. 602 01:06:02,831 --> 01:06:05,140 She says: Would you like something from the bar? 603 01:06:05,351 --> 01:06:08,707 I go - it's like four in the afternoon - oh, sure. 604 01:06:08,911 --> 01:06:11,345 And we sat there and we got drunk. 605 01:06:11,511 --> 01:06:14,230 And you know we had great conversation, like this. 606 01:06:14,631 --> 01:06:18,180 And I said, boy, I'm going to love this editing thing, I like this gig. 607 01:06:19,471 --> 01:06:22,031 And we became friends. Now flash forward. 608 01:06:23,031 --> 01:06:25,261 Street News loses its office space. 609 01:06:25,671 --> 01:06:29,949 I have the book deal, but I haven't really written much of it yet, 610 01:06:30,151 --> 01:06:31,823 and I haven't gotten clean yet. 611 01:06:32,151 --> 01:06:36,064 And so she says: Why don't you come stay with me? 612 01:06:36,271 --> 01:06:38,910 You know you can run errands because I can't get around. 613 01:06:39,151 --> 01:06:42,507 I won't charge you rent and you can work on your book. 614 01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:45,948 So I say, OK. But it's an accident waiting to happen 615 01:06:46,111 --> 01:06:47,464 because she's an alcoholic 616 01:06:47,671 --> 01:06:50,469 and what an alcoholic wants is a drinking buddy. 617 01:06:50,751 --> 01:06:53,060 And they want a drinking buddy who is going to be around 618 01:06:53,271 --> 01:06:57,150 for the first four or five when it still looks like a party, 619 01:06:57,351 --> 01:07:00,468 but not around later on when the ugly stuff happens. 620 01:07:00,631 --> 01:07:03,543 And I'm perfect for that because after like six drinks 621 01:07:03,751 --> 01:07:06,424 I want to go get my substance of choice. 622 01:07:07,151 --> 01:07:11,030 And she would - it was an accident waiting to happen - 623 01:07:11,191 --> 01:07:14,342 and she would give me what she called 'walking around' money, 624 01:07:14,511 --> 01:07:17,821 which meant that after my drinks I'd go and see Flecko. 625 01:07:18,191 --> 01:07:19,988 So this goes on for a while. 626 01:07:20,191 --> 01:07:23,103 You know, about 3:30 she'd say, 627 01:07:23,311 --> 01:07:26,144 "The sun's over the yardarm," and we'd start drinking. 628 01:07:26,351 --> 01:07:28,945 And then I would say - to get my walking around money - 629 01:07:29,151 --> 01:07:32,461 I'd say, " I guess I'll take a walk," and I'd disappear until the next day 630 01:07:32,671 --> 01:07:34,309 and start all over again. 631 01:07:34,791 --> 01:07:37,351 One day she sends me to the bank with her card, 632 01:07:38,711 --> 01:07:41,100 to get money out of the bank -- and her PIN number. 633 01:07:41,311 --> 01:07:44,667 And I go and I get money out of the bank. I go back. 634 01:07:44,831 --> 01:07:47,743 And she gives me my 'walking around' money, and we have a few drinks. 635 01:07:47,951 --> 01:07:52,342 I go to get something -- to the projects behind Lincoln Center -- 636 01:07:52,671 --> 01:07:54,866 and I end up buying two pieces of soap, 637 01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:57,460 instead of the real thing, from some rip-off guy. 638 01:07:57,791 --> 01:08:01,181 So I'm steaming mad, and I'm storming back down the street, 639 01:08:01,391 --> 01:08:04,542 and I put my hand in the pocket -- and there's her card. 640 01:08:05,591 --> 01:08:07,422 I forgot to give it to her. 641 01:08:08,151 --> 01:08:10,221 So now I go, well look, 642 01:08:10,431 --> 01:08:12,706 I have a little money coming in at the end of the week. 643 01:08:12,871 --> 01:08:15,066 I'll take 20 -- 40 -- out 644 01:08:15,271 --> 01:08:17,785 and I'll replace it before she even knows it. 645 01:08:17,991 --> 01:08:20,869 So I take the 40 out, and I smoke that up. 646 01:08:21,071 --> 01:08:22,220 And I take more out. 647 01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:26,470 Then I go crash in Grand Central, in my spot in Grand Central. 648 01:08:26,831 --> 01:08:29,470 I wake up in the morning and I feel guilty, so I have a... 649 01:08:29,671 --> 01:08:32,868 This goes on for five, six, seven days, 650 01:08:33,311 --> 01:08:38,066 after which I've taken a total of $5000 out of her account. 651 01:08:39,511 --> 01:08:43,424 This was the final thing that made me go into treatment. 652 01:08:43,991 --> 01:08:47,666 So I run into a guy named Irish -- who I call Irish -- 653 01:08:47,951 --> 01:08:50,306 the guy I smoked up the advance with. 654 01:08:50,911 --> 01:08:54,460 And he actually returned the favor one night, 655 01:08:54,671 --> 01:08:56,502 brought some stuff over and smoked, 656 01:08:56,711 --> 01:08:58,429 which you never get from a crackhead. 657 01:08:58,631 --> 01:09:02,306 There's no quid pro quo. You know it's me, me, me. 658 01:09:02,471 --> 01:09:04,860 So that made him a little bit of a saint in my eyes. 659 01:09:05,071 --> 01:09:07,790 So, I'm walking around one night 660 01:09:07,991 --> 01:09:11,267 with her card and some stuff and I see him on 10th Avenue, 661 01:09:11,471 --> 01:09:14,668 sitting on a stoop. It's a very quiet night. 662 01:09:14,991 --> 01:09:17,903 And I go, "Hey buddy, we're going to party. 663 01:09:18,111 --> 01:09:19,385 I got some stuff." 664 01:09:19,551 --> 01:09:22,702 And he says, "Well I got some too. I've got some behind each ear." 665 01:09:22,871 --> 01:09:26,500 He says, "But I feel so lousy about the way I got it 666 01:09:26,951 --> 01:09:29,181 that I can't bring myself to smoke it." 667 01:09:29,551 --> 01:09:33,624 And he goes on to tell me how he had gotten the money by going to this bar 668 01:09:33,791 --> 01:09:38,023 and he met somebody who got gratification by him putting his fist 669 01:09:38,231 --> 01:09:41,064 somewhere it wasn't intended to go, let's say. 670 01:09:41,231 --> 01:09:44,667 And he's describing this and it totally bummed him out. 671 01:09:45,231 --> 01:09:47,506 So we both decide: this is it, you know. 672 01:09:47,671 --> 01:09:50,902 I go to him, "You think that's bad. 673 01:09:51,111 --> 01:09:52,942 "I just committed grand larceny." 674 01:09:53,151 --> 01:09:57,064 This is the first time I admitted it to myself, which is seven years. 675 01:09:57,551 --> 01:10:00,748 And I'm like... You know, it was a very quiet night. 676 01:10:00,951 --> 01:10:04,830 Nothing to keep us from really getting a good hard look at what we'd become. 677 01:10:04,991 --> 01:10:08,108 So we decided the next morning we're going to go check in. 678 01:10:08,471 --> 01:10:14,262 But, we said, since we have money and we have stuff, one last party. 679 01:10:15,311 --> 01:10:16,505 The Last Supper. 680 01:10:16,711 --> 01:10:19,509 So, we go to this cheap hotel. 681 01:10:19,711 --> 01:10:21,588 In our mind there's an extravaganza. 682 01:10:21,791 --> 01:10:24,021 We're going to have hookers. We're going to have people. 683 01:10:24,231 --> 01:10:25,903 And all this stuff is going to happen. 684 01:10:26,071 --> 01:10:28,141 None of that happened. It was just pure paranoia. 685 01:10:28,351 --> 01:10:31,423 Soon as we get high, he would run over to the peephole on the door 686 01:10:31,631 --> 01:10:34,270 and I would run over to the window and keep peeking out, 687 01:10:34,471 --> 01:10:36,382 as if whatever is going to sneak up on us 688 01:10:36,591 --> 01:10:38,149 wasn't going to take us by surprise. 689 01:10:38,351 --> 01:10:42,344 We did this -- an entire night we paid for this fun. 690 01:10:42,831 --> 01:10:46,380 And in the day we drag ourselves out, and I went in. 691 01:10:46,551 --> 01:10:47,825 OK, so I go in. 692 01:10:48,751 --> 01:10:50,901 A few months go by, 693 01:10:51,111 --> 01:10:53,909 and there's two things that stick in my head that they say. 694 01:10:54,111 --> 01:10:57,626 They say one thing: there's no coincidences - number one - 695 01:10:57,831 --> 01:10:59,822 and that in order to get recovery 696 01:11:00,031 --> 01:11:03,228 you have to make amends with everyone you've hurt. 697 01:11:03,711 --> 01:11:06,271 And Barbara comes right to my mind, 698 01:11:06,631 --> 01:11:08,747 because she trusted me, she was a friend. 699 01:11:09,111 --> 01:11:11,909 And I not only betrayed her trust, I took all this money. 700 01:11:12,111 --> 01:11:14,147 And I'm like aching to get it right. 701 01:11:14,351 --> 01:11:17,821 Only I'm still thinking like a drug addict, I want to do it all in a week. 702 01:11:18,311 --> 01:11:21,542 So I call her up and I tell her, 703 01:11:22,151 --> 01:11:25,507 "Barbara, it was me. You know, I'm the one. I took..." 704 01:11:25,711 --> 01:11:27,542 She says, "I know you took the money. 705 01:11:27,751 --> 01:11:30,549 I contacted the police. They looked at the video." 706 01:11:30,751 --> 01:11:33,982 I said, "Well, I'm a drug addict. But I'm not using now." 707 01:11:34,351 --> 01:11:36,421 And I asked if I could meet her. 708 01:11:36,791 --> 01:11:39,100 And I tell her this, "I'm a drug addict, you know." 709 01:11:39,311 --> 01:11:41,347 And she's just staring at me. 710 01:11:42,471 --> 01:11:45,508 I'm talking and she's just like staring in wonderment 711 01:11:45,831 --> 01:11:47,503 at this transformation. 712 01:11:48,071 --> 01:11:51,347 And so I tell her, "Look please, for me. I need this. 713 01:11:51,631 --> 01:11:53,906 "Can I come by two or three days a week 714 01:11:54,111 --> 01:11:55,783 and do whatever you need done? 715 01:11:55,991 --> 01:11:58,585 It will make me feel better," you know. So she says OK. 716 01:11:58,951 --> 01:12:01,306 So I'm coming by every few days. 717 01:12:01,911 --> 01:12:04,345 Dan has a book launch near Columbia one night. 718 01:12:04,551 --> 01:12:06,985 I'm coming in every day, coming in for... 719 01:12:07,391 --> 01:12:10,463 out-patient treatment on a commuter card 720 01:12:10,671 --> 01:12:12,343 that my mother had to pay for. 721 01:12:12,791 --> 01:12:15,146 You know, it takes me as far as Fordham Road, 722 01:12:15,311 --> 01:12:17,461 and then train in. It's the cheap way. 723 01:12:18,031 --> 01:12:21,467 And I go out to this thing with Dan, at Columbia. 724 01:12:22,071 --> 01:12:26,110 Then we have dinner. And I miss the last train out of Fordham. 725 01:12:26,791 --> 01:12:30,340 And I'm trying not to get pissed off because, 726 01:12:30,551 --> 01:12:33,463 as all fresh-in-from-the-cold junkies 727 01:12:33,671 --> 01:12:36,265 think the world should now bend over and kiss their ass 728 01:12:36,471 --> 01:12:37,984 and get out a velvet rope, 729 01:12:38,191 --> 01:12:41,228 just because we decided not to destroy ourselves anymore 730 01:12:41,431 --> 01:12:43,786 the whole world should be, you know, our oyster. 731 01:12:43,991 --> 01:12:46,505 So I'm getting pissed. And I'm trying not to get pissed. 732 01:12:46,871 --> 01:12:49,066 And I'm like: There are no coincidences. 733 01:12:49,271 --> 01:12:52,229 Everything happens for a reason. There are no coinci-- 734 01:12:53,031 --> 01:12:56,706 What fucking reason could there...? And I start screaming and yelling. 735 01:12:56,871 --> 01:12:59,749 And then I calm down and I say: Wait a minute. 736 01:13:00,391 --> 01:13:02,302 I'll call Barbara. She'll put me up. 737 01:13:03,591 --> 01:13:05,946 And I call her collect. It's two in the morning, 738 01:13:06,111 --> 01:13:08,386 after two. She says: Come down. 739 01:13:08,831 --> 01:13:11,140 I have to sneak on the subway. 740 01:13:11,551 --> 01:13:15,021 I get to her apartment. She has two or three drinks. 741 01:13:15,591 --> 01:13:18,628 She goes in her bedroom -- she's still staring at me. 742 01:13:18,831 --> 01:13:20,947 She goes in her bedroom. She goes to sleep. 743 01:13:21,751 --> 01:13:25,027 Next morning I get up, and I'm making coffee, 744 01:13:25,431 --> 01:13:27,069 and I hear her from the bedroom. 745 01:13:27,231 --> 01:13:30,541 She says, "Lee, could you come in here for a minute?" 746 01:13:31,831 --> 01:13:35,028 And I go into her bedroom. She's sitting on the edge of her bed, 747 01:13:35,511 --> 01:13:40,062 her skin hanging off her bones, eyes deep set. 748 01:13:40,231 --> 01:13:42,791 I mean she looked... Her hair ragged. 749 01:13:45,311 --> 01:13:46,949 And she says to me... 750 01:13:47,951 --> 01:13:51,739 She says, "Lee, could you help get me into a detox?" 751 01:13:52,791 --> 01:13:57,148 And I go: Do not let me fuck this up. 752 01:13:57,551 --> 01:13:59,667 Because there it was on a platter. 753 01:13:59,871 --> 01:14:02,146 Everything I needed. Everything she needed. 754 01:14:02,351 --> 01:14:03,909 And somehow I did everything -- 755 01:14:04,111 --> 01:14:06,989 I know about crackheads, but I don't know about alcoholics. 756 01:14:07,191 --> 01:14:09,421 Should she get a drink when she needs a drink? 757 01:14:09,631 --> 01:14:12,828 And you can't just walk into one of these places. It's a whole process. 758 01:14:13,031 --> 01:14:16,944 But somehow we did everything right, and we kept her going at it. 759 01:14:17,151 --> 01:14:20,188 And she went in, and I apartment-sat for her 760 01:14:20,631 --> 01:14:23,589 while she was away, because she had plants and all -- cats. 761 01:14:23,791 --> 01:14:26,430 And then she came out and I went to meetings with her. 762 01:14:26,751 --> 01:14:30,460 She stayed sober for the rest of her life. 763 01:14:31,271 --> 01:14:34,308 In fact, she died in an AA meeting. 764 01:14:34,751 --> 01:14:37,185 - In an AA meeting? - In an AA meeting. 765 01:14:39,271 --> 01:14:41,102 There are no coincidences. 766 01:14:42,031 --> 01:14:46,183 There's a reason I got stuck on that platform. 767 01:14:47,271 --> 01:14:49,262 And she died like two weeks after 768 01:14:49,431 --> 01:14:52,423 I was actually able to give her a check for the money. 769 01:14:52,631 --> 01:14:54,986 But the money was the least of it. 770 01:14:55,551 --> 01:14:58,782 It was an incredible, an incredible thing. 771 01:14:59,271 --> 01:15:02,104 Barbara Dunn. May she rest in peace. 772 01:16:46,631 --> 01:16:50,829 You see, it's a manifesto of fifty years of life... 773 01:16:52,431 --> 01:16:57,380 It's not a show about my work. It's my work with my friends. 774 01:16:57,671 --> 01:16:59,627 See it's a different concept for me. 775 01:17:02,911 --> 01:17:07,063 And I feel that - and probably Jonas would agree with me -- 776 01:17:07,511 --> 01:17:11,470 my work, your work, doesn't consist only of doing what we do. 777 01:17:11,631 --> 01:17:14,782 It consists also of continuing with our friends. 778 01:17:14,951 --> 01:17:17,101 You know, what Jonas said in the movie 779 01:17:17,271 --> 01:17:19,466 that we saw the other day: "Where are my friends?" 780 01:17:19,671 --> 01:17:22,583 Well, these are my friends. All the people in the show - 781 01:17:22,991 --> 01:17:24,549 I usually knew most of them, 782 01:17:24,751 --> 01:17:26,867 except the ones in the 17th century, 783 01:17:27,071 --> 01:17:29,426 but they were my friends too, even if I didn't know them. 784 01:17:29,671 --> 01:17:33,425 They're part of my... I owe everything to them, you see. 785 01:17:33,911 --> 01:17:35,947 So this is sort of saying thank you 786 01:17:36,151 --> 01:17:40,702 to those people: poets, and painters, and others. 787 01:17:41,391 --> 01:17:44,906 And Artaud, you see. I met Artaud only once. 788 01:17:45,111 --> 01:17:47,386 My mother was taking me to the dentist, 789 01:17:47,591 --> 01:17:50,583 and he was sitting at Les Deux Magots, and I was 11 years old. 790 01:17:50,791 --> 01:17:53,783 And I saw this crazy man that looked like that. 791 01:17:53,991 --> 01:17:55,822 And he was sitting at Les Deux Magots. 792 01:17:56,551 --> 01:18:01,750 And my mother, she said, "Oh, come, come continue." 793 01:18:01,951 --> 01:18:02,940 I said, "Why?" 794 01:18:03,151 --> 01:18:05,540 and she said, "That's Artaud, don't speak to him." 795 01:18:05,751 --> 01:18:08,185 So that's the only time I saw Artaud. 796 01:18:08,351 --> 01:18:10,023 Why didn't your mother want you to...? 797 01:18:10,231 --> 01:18:12,620 Because he was scary, man! 798 01:18:12,831 --> 01:18:17,188 He was a scary guy. You know, a very scary guy. 799 01:18:22,871 --> 01:18:25,260 Do you hear his voice, his extraordinary voice? 800 01:18:25,471 --> 01:18:26,904 Do you hear him? 801 01:18:42,791 --> 01:18:45,863 You hear the way he pronounces words? 802 01:18:49,031 --> 01:18:52,023 You see, he's speaking to the cosmos. 803 01:19:00,151 --> 01:19:02,540 He had no teeth, no teeth. 804 01:19:04,551 --> 01:19:06,587 Difficult to pronounce words. 805 01:19:14,231 --> 01:19:17,223 Extraordinary, no? It makes me... 806 01:19:31,471 --> 01:19:33,382 He's talking about sperm. 807 01:19:35,791 --> 01:19:39,989 It's something that the society, culture 808 01:19:41,151 --> 01:19:42,948 -- difficult to translate. 809 01:19:52,871 --> 01:19:56,500 Such a Tibetan shaman, reinventing language. 810 01:20:58,351 --> 01:21:04,028 That's it. You see, this whole thing is an homage to him. 811 01:21:06,151 --> 01:21:08,142 It's some French Radio music... 812 01:21:54,391 --> 01:21:56,541 Jonas! Hello! 813 01:22:02,591 --> 01:22:06,140 I wanted to tell you that your snow poem was great. 814 01:22:06,671 --> 01:22:09,231 I thought it was the best thing of the night. 815 01:22:09,431 --> 01:22:14,630 No, really. That ending, "Just like 1812." It was so beautiful. 816 01:22:15,911 --> 01:22:18,220 But I wanted to add, 817 01:22:20,191 --> 01:22:23,661 "Spring, Spring, do not come." 818 01:22:24,791 --> 01:22:29,307 No, but the end, "1812." It was like... I loved it! 819 01:22:30,551 --> 01:22:33,543 It was like seeing the film by Tarkovsky. 820 01:22:35,791 --> 01:22:38,749 And the movie begins. Anyway it was quite beautiful. 821 01:22:39,471 --> 01:22:43,146 And you look very handsome. Very glad to see you. 822 01:22:50,871 --> 01:22:53,544 Oh, look! Wait, wait, wait... 823 01:22:55,591 --> 01:22:56,740 Where's my camera? 824 01:22:56,951 --> 01:22:59,181 Here, you have to give me the camera too. 825 01:23:05,751 --> 01:23:07,821 Now I have... 826 01:23:13,511 --> 01:23:14,910 It's my revenge. 827 01:23:20,191 --> 01:23:21,544 I got it. 828 01:23:27,871 --> 01:23:29,509 There, our revenge. 829 01:23:53,751 --> 01:23:55,104 Pianta di Roma. 830 01:24:00,631 --> 01:24:02,189 Wow, look at that. 831 01:24:14,911 --> 01:24:16,026 Holy shit. 832 01:24:16,791 --> 01:24:18,270 It's completely invented. 833 01:24:18,471 --> 01:24:20,860 Wow. Look at how strange that perspective is. 834 01:24:21,071 --> 01:24:23,505 - It's so skewed. - Completely contemporary. 835 01:24:23,671 --> 01:24:27,584 This way. This way. That way. This is way before Cubism. 836 01:24:29,031 --> 01:24:32,865 That reminds me of Lorenzetti, the Lorenzetti drawings. 837 01:24:35,591 --> 01:24:37,946 You mean the Good and Bad Government frescoes? 838 01:24:39,391 --> 01:24:40,790 Wow. Look at that. 839 01:24:42,951 --> 01:24:44,942 Oh, yeah. That's a classic. 840 01:24:54,951 --> 01:24:58,990 Books, books -- that's the last magic left. 841 01:24:59,471 --> 01:25:00,620 Yep. 842 01:25:05,751 --> 01:25:09,869 People looking at computer screens now. 843 01:25:13,031 --> 01:25:17,547 It's flat. It's still. It's still prints, no? 844 01:25:24,911 --> 01:25:26,139 It's incredible. 845 01:25:26,751 --> 01:25:31,620 - Now people appreciate books more. - Well I hope so. I hope so. 846 01:25:32,551 --> 01:25:34,826 Look how we're marveling over this book. 847 01:25:35,151 --> 01:25:37,949 Before computers, it was just a book. 848 01:25:38,911 --> 01:25:39,787 Maybe. 849 01:25:47,471 --> 01:25:49,985 - This is all invented? - Oh yeah. 850 01:25:52,071 --> 01:25:53,902 Yes, this is really odd. 851 01:25:58,031 --> 01:25:59,464 Magnifique pont. 852 01:26:12,031 --> 01:26:14,864 They were the French. They were first ones that did that. 853 01:26:15,511 --> 01:26:17,467 First modern printing. 854 01:26:18,991 --> 01:26:20,788 I have the Wilton-Ely book. 855 01:26:21,471 --> 01:26:25,066 - What year's this book? - 1905. 856 01:26:32,071 --> 01:26:34,346 All the originals were etchings, no? 857 01:26:34,511 --> 01:26:37,184 - I have those. - They were all etchings. 858 01:26:41,551 --> 01:26:43,746 I have some of the original etching images. 859 01:26:43,951 --> 01:26:44,940 Of these? 860 01:26:49,311 --> 01:26:51,063 From the 18th Century? 861 01:26:56,311 --> 01:26:59,223 I also love that they have the white paper in between. 862 01:26:59,871 --> 01:27:02,260 Yeah, I love that. Yeah. 863 01:27:06,871 --> 01:27:07,986 Very elegant. 864 01:27:14,791 --> 01:27:16,383 I love this noise. 865 01:27:17,871 --> 01:27:19,623 You know, it was probably done 866 01:27:19,831 --> 01:27:22,948 so that the printing didn't go through the page 867 01:27:23,351 --> 01:27:26,661 - to interfere with the next one. - Could I see the front page? 868 01:27:28,151 --> 01:27:30,790 - Where it says Piranesi. - Yes, sure. 869 01:27:31,551 --> 01:27:38,024 They photographed the original etchings and made steel plates. 870 01:27:39,591 --> 01:27:41,627 They're still printed from steel plates. 871 01:27:43,591 --> 01:27:46,867 What was the transfer between the photograph and the steel plate? 872 01:27:47,071 --> 01:27:48,504 What was that process? 873 01:27:50,431 --> 01:27:54,060 It's a photographic process, I suppose. I mean it was... 874 01:28:13,191 --> 01:28:16,422 Presents from Giuseppe. 875 01:28:22,271 --> 01:28:24,262 And there's a message too. 876 01:28:26,951 --> 01:28:29,385 "Vino Russo di Donate Rocco. 877 01:28:29,591 --> 01:28:34,346 "prodotto e imbottigliato a Campagna, 878 01:28:35,031 --> 01:28:41,425 "piccolo paese ove Giordano Bruno celebro' la sua prima messa." 879 01:28:42,471 --> 01:28:45,747 Where he heard his first mass. 880 01:29:04,791 --> 01:29:06,747 Undressing the bottle. 881 01:29:21,591 --> 01:29:22,467 Salute. 882 01:29:38,351 --> 01:29:39,704 There it is. 883 01:31:27,031 --> 01:31:32,151 If I was a priest than this would mean a hundred years in purgatory. 884 01:31:34,351 --> 01:31:37,309 - Because if you drop a drop - ...of the wine... 885 01:31:38,911 --> 01:31:43,427 ...the vin de messe, the wine for the rituals... 886 01:31:43,871 --> 01:31:45,350 Because it's also blood. 887 01:31:45,951 --> 01:31:48,545 Yeah. It's spilling the blood of Christ. 888 01:31:48,751 --> 01:31:51,390 So, to Giuseppe 889 01:31:52,431 --> 01:31:55,423 and to Giordano Bruno. 890 01:31:55,631 --> 01:31:57,383 And to Donato who made this wine. 891 01:31:57,591 --> 01:32:00,185 And Donato, to Donato who made this wine. 892 01:32:01,951 --> 01:32:03,020 Beviamo. 893 01:32:16,071 --> 01:32:18,665 That's what one calls wine. 894 01:32:49,551 --> 01:32:52,304 Oh my God. This is... 895 01:32:55,871 --> 01:32:57,907 For me, this is Napoli. 896 01:33:00,751 --> 01:33:06,462 One day, we'll go to Giuseppe. And Napoli. 897 01:33:10,071 --> 01:33:11,299 It's amazing. 898 01:33:13,111 --> 01:33:16,069 - Yeah, I mean, it's amazing. - It's amazing. 899 01:33:19,191 --> 01:33:22,740 Yes they would say this is out of tune and this is horrible. 900 01:33:22,951 --> 01:33:26,102 No, but Jonas, there's a lot of tuning, those minus... 901 01:33:26,271 --> 01:33:29,741 Yes, but those who are professionals... 902 01:33:29,951 --> 01:33:34,627 - Oh, but they have flat ears. - This is like tuning as in a dream. 903 01:33:34,791 --> 01:33:37,908 You listen to them, they get lost and then when they go down a third 904 01:33:38,071 --> 01:33:39,709 they actually go down a fifth, 905 01:33:39,871 --> 01:33:41,748 and they transpose and they're somewhere else, 906 01:33:41,951 --> 01:33:44,181 and they don't care. They're in that music, 907 01:33:44,351 --> 01:33:47,787 in that song. I listen to this all the time. 908 01:33:47,991 --> 01:33:49,629 That's what happens. 909 01:33:49,831 --> 01:33:53,346 The tune is relative, to their state. 910 01:33:54,791 --> 01:33:56,986 They make a jump, but they jump too far 911 01:33:57,151 --> 01:33:59,028 or jump not enough, but they don't care. 912 01:33:59,231 --> 01:34:01,586 - They stick with it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 913 01:34:37,351 --> 01:34:43,824 You cannot sing this after training at a conservatory. 914 01:34:44,751 --> 01:34:47,902 And you need the Neapolitan dialect. Listen! 915 01:34:51,231 --> 01:34:54,303 This rhythm of the lower, of the words. 916 01:34:58,191 --> 01:35:00,466 - That's pure Neapolitan. - Yes. 917 01:35:01,831 --> 01:35:05,062 But you know, it's very similar to African. 918 01:35:06,711 --> 01:35:08,781 - Yeah. Yeah. - No really. 919 01:35:16,871 --> 01:35:19,590 In Africa they sing similar, 920 01:35:20,071 --> 01:35:24,144 but a little bit different. Little bit different. 921 01:35:26,391 --> 01:35:30,782 Very similar. Very similar. But a little bit different. 922 01:42:19,391 --> 01:42:21,541 Maybe I should go to sleep. 923 01:42:22,591 --> 01:42:26,106 If I can sleep. If I can sleep... 924 01:42:27,231 --> 01:42:29,108 I should go to sleep. 925 01:42:30,111 --> 01:42:31,590 But I'm thinking, 926 01:42:32,271 --> 01:42:38,585 I'm thinking about those green, green, green spring trees. 927 01:42:39,151 --> 01:42:43,349 Young trees. Very green. Very green. 928 01:42:46,551 --> 01:42:50,430 Maybe in April. April. 929 01:42:50,631 --> 01:42:53,464 Very, very green. I'm lying there, 930 01:42:56,071 --> 01:42:59,586 on the ground, and looking up at the... 931 01:43:01,671 --> 01:43:07,621 leaves. Green. So very fragile. Very fragile. Very fragile. 932 01:43:08,311 --> 01:43:13,021 Very fragile leaves of green. 933 01:43:13,391 --> 01:43:16,622 Green, all the trees. 934 01:43:19,271 --> 01:43:22,502 And it's... it's... 935 01:43:25,231 --> 01:43:29,782 I cannot describe it. I cannot describe it. The feeling. 936 01:43:30,631 --> 01:43:33,941 The togetherness that I felt, like 937 01:43:34,151 --> 01:43:38,429 I'm there with the trees, with those young... 938 01:43:40,231 --> 01:43:43,621 trees. Spring. Green. Green. 939 01:43:45,511 --> 01:43:48,628 Like lying there on the ground, 940 01:43:49,431 --> 01:43:53,504 looking up at the leaves. 941 01:43:54,751 --> 01:44:00,906 Up. And the sky, between, through the leaves. 942 01:44:07,111 --> 01:44:09,306 It's so incredible. 943 01:44:11,071 --> 01:44:15,303 I was part. Like I was part of it. 944 01:44:15,991 --> 01:44:20,030 I was part of those trees, of those leaves, of the green, 945 01:44:20,431 --> 01:44:23,787 greenness of the spring, 946 01:44:24,191 --> 01:44:28,662 greenness of the trees. There on the ground. 947 01:44:29,311 --> 01:44:35,181 So like something very real, very fresh, very fragile, 948 01:44:35,831 --> 01:44:39,062 very green, very, very... 949 01:44:39,631 --> 01:44:44,147 ...lush, very sensual, very much... 950 01:44:45,111 --> 01:44:50,549 I was part of nature. 951 01:44:51,951 --> 01:44:58,470 Very much. And how can I return to it, 952 01:45:00,231 --> 01:45:05,703 and be again like -- it's impossible. 953 01:45:11,751 --> 01:45:18,862 That was the greatest, the most beautiful moment... 954 01:45:20,831 --> 01:45:21,946 of my life. 955 01:45:25,111 --> 01:45:26,988 Nature. Trees. 956 01:45:27,791 --> 01:45:33,024 Green. Green. Fragile. So subtle. So subtle. 957 01:45:33,671 --> 01:45:37,141 That green, the leaves. 958 01:45:37,351 --> 01:45:41,230 It was so subtle. So real. So alive. 959 01:46:38,111 --> 01:46:40,500 The flowers, the little flowers. 960 01:46:43,751 --> 01:46:49,906 All those secret little places in the woods, 961 01:46:51,071 --> 01:46:52,629 that only I knew. 962 01:46:58,151 --> 01:47:01,507 Only I knew the path 963 01:47:03,431 --> 01:47:07,060 through the woods. Secret. 964 01:47:08,431 --> 01:47:09,944 It was my secret. 965 01:47:12,951 --> 01:47:14,100 My secret. 966 01:47:47,191 --> 01:47:48,544 Oh, yuck! 967 01:47:49,071 --> 01:47:52,302 It's like a big rat. It's like a big rat. 968 01:47:52,511 --> 01:47:54,581 We found one of those in my neighbor's toilet 969 01:47:54,791 --> 01:47:56,509 a couple years ago in Brooklyn. 970 01:47:56,711 --> 01:47:59,100 That's huge. Are they always this big? 971 01:47:59,551 --> 01:48:03,908 Don't you recognize me? 972 01:48:05,351 --> 01:48:10,027 You were the princess and I was the prince. 973 01:48:10,351 --> 01:48:11,579 Disgusting. 974 01:48:12,311 --> 01:48:15,542 Bye, bye. I have to run. I have to run now. 975 01:48:16,471 --> 01:48:21,670 The night is my kingdom now. Bye bye. 976 01:48:43,976 --> 01:48:47,889 When you really listen, especially the noise sounds, 977 01:48:48,096 --> 01:48:49,768 the noise musicians. 978 01:48:50,776 --> 01:48:54,405 It really works on your system, emotionally and on the body. 979 01:48:54,616 --> 01:48:56,891 The way you receive it physically. 980 01:48:57,296 --> 01:48:59,571 So look at this. This is all new, all this part. 981 01:48:59,736 --> 01:49:02,887 I used to live there, in the house there, by the ocean. 982 01:49:03,096 --> 01:49:05,690 - Where? - Just there, with the blue roof. 983 01:49:06,496 --> 01:49:07,645 Just there? 984 01:49:09,736 --> 01:49:13,046 So I did a little side trip so that you could see the sea. 985 01:49:23,018 --> 01:49:25,816 Finally I found good garlic -- 986 01:49:32,654 --> 01:49:36,203 -- I think it will be very, very good - 987 01:49:37,712 --> 01:49:41,387 -- at the farmer's market yesterday. 988 01:49:43,775 --> 01:49:47,893 Yeah, see you can hear it. It's good. 78548

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