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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,236 --> 00:00:04,003 Previously on "Tracking Oswald"... 2 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:07,606 All this detail, none of it's in the FBI report. 3 00:00:07,675 --> 00:00:09,942 Former CIA Agent Bob Baer 4 00:00:10,011 --> 00:00:12,644 and former police lieutenant Adam Bercovici 5 00:00:12,713 --> 00:00:14,780 have found new evidence suggesting. 6 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:17,316 Lee Harvey Oswald may have had accomplices 7 00:00:17,385 --> 00:00:20,319 in the murder of President John F. Kennedy. 8 00:00:20,388 --> 00:00:24,289 Fidel Castro says that Oswald stormed into the embassy, 9 00:00:24,358 --> 00:00:27,693 demanded the visa, and when it was refused to him, 10 00:00:27,728 --> 00:00:30,529 headed out saying, "I'm going to kill Kennedy for this." 11 00:00:30,598 --> 00:00:32,998 This is incredible. 12 00:00:33,067 --> 00:00:35,367 A declassified CIA document 13 00:00:35,436 --> 00:00:37,269 revealed possible connections 14 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:39,571 between Oswald and Cuban militants 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,573 operating in the U.S., 16 00:00:41,642 --> 00:00:44,977 rogue members of a group called Alpha 66. 17 00:00:45,046 --> 00:00:47,613 Antonio Veciana saw Bishop 18 00:00:47,715 --> 00:00:49,681 with Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas 19 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:52,151 a few months before the assassination 20 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:53,752 of John F. Kennedy. 21 00:00:53,821 --> 00:00:57,456 Now we have a witness that puts Lee Harvey Oswald 22 00:00:57,558 --> 00:01:00,325 within the inner circle of Alpha 66. 23 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:03,195 There's your coconspirator right there. 24 00:01:03,264 --> 00:01:07,232 Following that lead, the team learned that Alpha 66 25 00:01:07,301 --> 00:01:10,702 had potential motive for murdering the president. 26 00:01:10,738 --> 00:01:14,239 The Cuban exiles blamed John F. Kennedy directly. 27 00:01:14,308 --> 00:01:17,776 Because he did not commit to support them. 28 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:20,412 After the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, 29 00:01:20,481 --> 00:01:21,747 they're furious. 30 00:01:21,816 --> 00:01:23,749 They got money, they got weapons, 31 00:01:23,818 --> 00:01:26,418 and they're going out pursuing their own agendas. 32 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,720 Absolutely. 33 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:32,925 Some members of Alpha 66 thought JFK was to blame 34 00:01:32,993 --> 00:01:35,227 after the Bay of Pigs invasion, 35 00:01:35,296 --> 00:01:37,296 and they wanted him dead because of it. 36 00:01:37,364 --> 00:01:40,499 I believe that Oswald was working with these men 37 00:01:40,601 --> 00:01:42,568 in the months before the assassination. 38 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:45,070 Now I want to look for evidence 39 00:01:45,139 --> 00:01:46,939 of these accomplices in Dallas 40 00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:48,774 at the scene of the crime. 41 00:01:50,978 --> 00:01:54,546 November 22, 1963, 42 00:01:54,615 --> 00:01:58,717 Lee Harvey Oswald opens fire in Dealey Plaza, 43 00:01:58,819 --> 00:02:01,653 forever changing American history. 44 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:03,655 Unanswered questions linger, 45 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:06,391 breeding countless conspiracy theories. 46 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:10,529 Many believe Russia, Cuba, or even the CIA 47 00:02:10,631 --> 00:02:13,932 supported Oswald in his mission. 48 00:02:14,001 --> 00:02:18,737 In 2017, the final documents from the JFK assassination 49 00:02:18,806 --> 00:02:20,906 are scheduled for release. 50 00:02:20,975 --> 00:02:24,977 More than 2 million files have already been declassified. 51 00:02:25,045 --> 00:02:28,580 No one has analyzed them until now. 52 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:31,316 A CIA veteran is on the trail 53 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:34,820 of the most notorious assassin in U.S. history. 54 00:02:41,362 --> 00:02:45,397 The conspiracy theories start in Dealey Plaza. 55 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:48,333 Grassy knoll, the second gunman. 56 00:02:48,402 --> 00:02:50,002 Bob and Adam arrive 57 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:52,337 in Dealey Plaza to search for evidence 58 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:55,407 of Lee Harvey Oswald's potential accomplices: 59 00:02:55,509 --> 00:03:00,212 Members of the Cuban fringe group known as Alpha 66. 60 00:03:00,281 --> 00:03:03,048 The evidence we've found has convinced me 61 00:03:03,117 --> 00:03:06,451 that members of Alpha 66 helped Oswald 62 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,187 in the months before the murder. 63 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:10,789 The question is, did they also help him 64 00:03:10,858 --> 00:03:12,524 on the day of the assassination? 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Could a member of Alpha 66 66 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:17,462 have been the supposed second shooter? 67 00:03:17,531 --> 00:03:19,932 I've always believed that Oswald was the lone gunman, 68 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:21,667 and I still do. 69 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:24,770 But after 21 years of the CIA, I've learned 70 00:03:24,872 --> 00:03:27,239 you need to always question yourself. 71 00:03:27,308 --> 00:03:28,807 At this point in the investigation, 72 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:32,511 we need to fully analyze the second shooter theory. 73 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:36,315 In 1963, President John F. Kennedy embarked on 74 00:03:36,383 --> 00:03:40,352 a fivecity tour of Texas to campaign for reelection. 75 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:42,354 On the morning of November 22nd, 76 00:03:42,423 --> 00:03:45,958 the presidential motorcade heads into downtown Dallas 77 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:48,827 en route to a luncheon at the Dallas Trade Mart. 78 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:52,064 At 12:30 p.m., the president is shot... 79 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:59,238 And the motorcade races to Parkland Memorial Hospital. 80 00:03:59,306 --> 00:04:00,572 30 minutes later, 81 00:04:00,674 --> 00:04:01,773 at 1:00 p.m., 82 00:04:01,809 --> 00:04:03,775 the news shocks the nation. 83 00:04:03,844 --> 00:04:07,079 President Kennedy is dead according to an official word. 84 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:08,580 The president is dead. 85 00:04:08,649 --> 00:04:10,449 In the years after, 86 00:04:10,484 --> 00:04:13,385 conflicting witness accounts spark conspiracy theories, 87 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:15,721 many about a second shooter 88 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:19,091 on the grassy knoll along Elm Street. 89 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:25,597 Right there is the famous grassy knoll by those trees. 90 00:04:27,101 --> 00:04:30,902 And the Book Depository is just north of it. 91 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:32,804 Oswald is up there. 92 00:04:32,873 --> 00:04:35,340 He can see everything from that spot. 93 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:36,942 He's got a perch. 94 00:04:37,011 --> 00:04:38,810 He's got a place to rest his rifle. 95 00:04:38,846 --> 00:04:40,545 There's the window up there, 96 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:42,714 Sixth floor, right in that corner. 97 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:45,117 It's the perfect position. 98 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:47,319 Motorcade makes a left on Elm, 99 00:04:47,388 --> 00:04:49,955 so here's when Oswald makes his move. 100 00:04:50,024 --> 00:04:53,058 The motorcade heads down to the freeway, 101 00:04:53,127 --> 00:04:57,763 and from right there with the cross in the road 102 00:04:57,831 --> 00:05:00,966 is where this turns into the crime scene. 103 00:05:02,403 --> 00:05:04,836 The motorcade going 11 miles an hour, 104 00:05:04,872 --> 00:05:09,941 it gives Oswald a fairly steady target. 105 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:11,843 Theoretically it's possible 106 00:05:11,912 --> 00:05:13,879 that Alpha 66 supplied 107 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:15,747 a second shooter in Dealey Plaza. 108 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:19,518 So we have to test it before we can definitively rule it out. 109 00:05:19,586 --> 00:05:23,088 The most convincing evidence of the second shooter 110 00:05:23,157 --> 00:05:26,958 is what's called the "back and to the left" theory. 111 00:05:27,027 --> 00:05:28,327 When President Kennedy 112 00:05:28,395 --> 00:05:29,861 was murdered in Dealey Plaza, 113 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:32,331 he was struck by two separate bullets. 114 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,167 The first entered and exited 115 00:05:35,235 --> 00:05:36,968 through the president's neck. 116 00:05:37,004 --> 00:05:39,338 When the second bullet struck his head, 117 00:05:39,406 --> 00:05:42,140 the head went back and to the left. 118 00:05:42,209 --> 00:05:43,909 Many believe that a shot 119 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:46,011 could only have come from the front right position 120 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:49,348 on the grassy knoll to cause such a reaction. 121 00:05:49,416 --> 00:05:53,118 We know that Oswald was positioned behind Kennedy, 122 00:05:53,187 --> 00:05:56,188 so I want to know if there's a scientific explanation 123 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:59,958 for the president's head jerking back and to the left 124 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:03,028 if he was only shot from behind. 125 00:06:05,232 --> 00:06:08,200 To test the back and to the left theory, 126 00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:11,002 Bob calls on army ranger Marty Scovlund 127 00:06:11,071 --> 00:06:13,872 and expert sniper George Rinnes. 128 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:15,474 So we have a human head. 129 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:16,875 Take the ordinate gel here, 130 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:18,810 which is basically mimicking human flesh. 131 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,646 If I take a shot from behind the ballistics gel, 132 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:23,426 we'll actually get to see if that movement's 133 00:06:23,450 --> 00:06:25,517 gonna be recreated from a rearward shot. 134 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:29,221 The test is filmed at 2,000 frames per second, 135 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:32,991 capturing an image 100 times slower than real time. 136 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:35,761 For accuracy, George will shoot a replica 137 00:06:35,829 --> 00:06:37,596 of the rifle Oswald used. 138 00:06:37,664 --> 00:06:41,900 An original MannlicherCarcano 139 00:06:41,969 --> 00:06:43,902 bolt action carbine. 140 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:50,509 I have the ballistic gel in target. 141 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:53,612 I'm gonna put a round right where Oswald shot Kennedy. 142 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,714 George takes position in a perch 143 00:06:55,783 --> 00:06:59,851 at the same elevation, angle, and distance as Oswald's 144 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,587 when he fired the fatal shots. 145 00:07:02,656 --> 00:07:03,855 Shooter ready. 146 00:07:03,957 --> 00:07:04,990 Send it. 147 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:15,700 All right, here we go. 148 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:17,536 I'm gonna hit play here. 149 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:25,777 Wow. Look at that. 150 00:07:25,846 --> 00:07:28,079 - Actually comes back. - Boom. 151 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,882 When you have a projectile moving 2,100 feet per second, 152 00:07:30,951 --> 00:07:33,084 um, a larger caliber like a 6.5, 153 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:34,986 when it enters through the back of the head 154 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:37,122 and then the tremor ballistics will come here 155 00:07:37,157 --> 00:07:38,802 causing the head to go back and to the left 156 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:40,091 where the impact was. 157 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,760 The head going back and to the left 158 00:07:41,829 --> 00:07:43,840 does not mean that you had to have a second shooter. 159 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:45,096 Right. 160 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,466 It's possible he was the only one. 161 00:07:47,534 --> 00:07:48,967 The ballistics test 162 00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:50,969 confirms the team's working theory 163 00:07:51,038 --> 00:07:54,506 and the findings of the Warren Commission. 164 00:07:54,575 --> 00:07:56,308 Back in Dealey Plaza, 165 00:07:56,376 --> 00:07:58,910 Bob Baer still has one more question 166 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:00,445 in need of answers. 167 00:08:00,514 --> 00:08:01,913 After Marty's test, 168 00:08:01,982 --> 00:08:04,816 I believe we've removed almost all doubt 169 00:08:04,885 --> 00:08:07,118 about the presence of a second shooter. 170 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:08,820 But there's still one more angle 171 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:10,889 we need to test before we can put it to bed 172 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:12,757 once and for all. 173 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:16,294 There are multiple witnesses from the day of JFK's murder 174 00:08:16,363 --> 00:08:19,097 who testified they heard a second shooter. 175 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:21,433 On the day of the assassination, 176 00:08:21,502 --> 00:08:24,169 thousands of people lined the motorcade route 177 00:08:24,238 --> 00:08:26,137 through downtown Dallas. 178 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:29,107 According to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, 179 00:08:29,176 --> 00:08:32,110 171 reported earwitness accounts 180 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:34,346 of shots in Dealey Plaza. 181 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:37,749 Of those, 46 believed the shots came only 182 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:40,685 from the Texas School Book Depository, 183 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:45,156 20 thought gunfire came from the grassy knoll along Elm, 184 00:08:45,225 --> 00:08:48,193 105 people were either unsure 185 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:51,396 or identified another point of origin. 186 00:08:51,465 --> 00:08:56,701 A lot of reliable eyewitnesses claim that 187 00:08:56,770 --> 00:08:59,404 shots were fired from the grassy knoll. 188 00:08:59,473 --> 00:09:01,172 So, what did these people hear? 189 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:04,509 Really what it comes down to is the acoustics. 190 00:09:04,578 --> 00:09:07,012 So, we're gonna bring science to this. 191 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,814 To analyze the earwitness accounts 192 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,883 at Dealey Plaza and evaluate 193 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:14,586 the remaining possible evidence of a second shooter, 194 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:18,490 Bob recruits a team of expert sound engineers: 195 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,160 David Marsh, Melvin Saunders, and Cleve Doyle. 196 00:09:22,229 --> 00:09:25,564 We are looking for accomplices. 197 00:09:25,632 --> 00:09:29,534 Everywhere we go, we've found traces of them. 198 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:30,936 But the question is, 199 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:33,438 did he have accomplices on the grassy knoll? 200 00:09:33,507 --> 00:09:36,074 This test could finally help us answer 201 00:09:36,143 --> 00:09:38,710 one of the most infamous questions in history: 202 00:09:38,779 --> 00:09:41,713 Was there a second shooter working with Oswald 203 00:09:41,782 --> 00:09:44,583 to murder President John F. Kennedy? 204 00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:49,821 CIA veteran Bob Baer 205 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:52,257 is working on an explosive theory 206 00:09:52,326 --> 00:09:54,059 that Lee Harvey Oswald 207 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:56,561 may have conspired with rogue members 208 00:09:56,597 --> 00:10:00,031 of a Cuban radical group called Alpha 66 209 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,168 to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. 210 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:06,338 Now the team is analyzing the scene of the crime 211 00:10:06,406 --> 00:10:08,073 to see if one of those men 212 00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:11,710 acted as a second shooter in the Dealey Plaza. 213 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:14,245 At this point in the investigation, 214 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:17,182 we're fully analyzing the second shooter theory 215 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:19,117 to find out if it's possible 216 00:10:19,186 --> 00:10:22,721 that members of Alpha 66 were here in Dealey Plaza. 217 00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:27,292 Bob has enlisted a team of sound engineers 218 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:29,995 to examine the acoustics of Dealey Plaza 219 00:10:30,063 --> 00:10:32,397 to determine if echoes in the square 220 00:10:32,466 --> 00:10:35,300 can explain earwitness accounts of a second shooter. 221 00:10:35,369 --> 00:10:36,868 A lot of earwitnesses over here. 222 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:38,381 They say that they heard it from the grassy knoll. 223 00:10:38,405 --> 00:10:39,504 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 224 00:10:39,573 --> 00:10:41,072 To accurately map 225 00:10:41,141 --> 00:10:43,041 the acoustic properties of Dealey Plaza, 226 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:45,477 the team will collect scientific measurements 227 00:10:45,579 --> 00:10:47,512 of the distance between landmarks 228 00:10:47,581 --> 00:10:49,648 and the material makeup of the environment. 229 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:52,450 You have these huge reflective surfaces 230 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:54,232 that's almost like the amphitheater affect. 231 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:56,121 Yeah. 232 00:10:56,223 --> 00:10:57,722 This information will be fed 233 00:10:57,791 --> 00:10:59,658 into a stateoftheart program 234 00:10:59,726 --> 00:11:02,894 to construct a computer model of the surrounding area, 235 00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:07,699 which can map how sound echoes in this location. 236 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:10,669 All I care about is the science. 237 00:11:10,737 --> 00:11:14,906 Forensics is absolutely key to this. 238 00:11:14,975 --> 00:11:17,008 Right now it's the only thing I trust. 239 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:20,645 As the team continues their analysis in Dealey Plaza, 240 00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:24,382 Marty and expert sniper George Rinnes 241 00:11:24,451 --> 00:11:28,386 collect recordings from the replica of Oswald's rifle 242 00:11:28,455 --> 00:11:29,821 to measure its audio output 243 00:11:29,923 --> 00:11:32,290 at the moment it fired its fatal blast. 244 00:11:32,426 --> 00:11:34,325 Check clear. 245 00:11:34,428 --> 00:11:36,227 - Clear. - Perfect. 246 00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:37,529 One of the most famous 247 00:11:37,597 --> 00:11:39,130 murder weapons in history, 248 00:11:39,166 --> 00:11:41,533 Oswald's MannlicherCarcano rifle 249 00:11:41,601 --> 00:11:44,102 was purchased through a magazine advertisement 250 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:45,537 for less than $20, 251 00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:47,105 nearly eight months before 252 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:49,107 the assassination of John F. Kennedy. 253 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:50,909 Recovered from the crime scene 254 00:11:50,944 --> 00:11:53,745 less than 30 minutes after the first shots rang out, 255 00:11:53,814 --> 00:11:55,947 the rifle was immediately subjected to 256 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:59,951 a barrage of forensic testing by the Dallas sheriff's office 257 00:11:59,986 --> 00:12:01,920 before the FBI intervened, 258 00:12:01,988 --> 00:12:04,155 ordering the rifle to be sent to 259 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:08,593 governmentowned laboratories in Washington, D.C. 260 00:12:08,662 --> 00:12:10,361 These are authentic historic rounds 261 00:12:10,464 --> 00:12:11,896 that would actually be manufactured 262 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:13,398 at the same time period 263 00:12:13,467 --> 00:12:15,333 of what Oswald would've used in the shooting. 264 00:12:15,368 --> 00:12:17,936 Let's go crack a few rounds off; See how this sounds. 265 00:12:18,004 --> 00:12:21,639 To gauge just how loud Oswald's rifle was 266 00:12:21,675 --> 00:12:23,808 after the fateful shorts were fired, 267 00:12:23,877 --> 00:12:25,810 the team will shoot multiple rounds 268 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:28,179 measuring the average volume level 269 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:30,782 on precision recording equipment. 270 00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:32,183 The data gathered here 271 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,985 will provide the audio engineers 272 00:12:34,054 --> 00:12:37,055 with an accurate measurement of the Carcano rifle. 273 00:12:40,727 --> 00:12:41,893 All right, set it up. 274 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,263 All right, audio ready. 275 00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:49,834 Ready? 276 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:50,936 Shooter ready. 277 00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:52,070 Send it. 278 00:12:58,678 --> 00:13:01,613 The bullet behaves like a supersonic aircraft, 279 00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:04,616 creating sound from both the explosion of gunpowder 280 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:07,452 and the sonic boom created by the projectile 281 00:13:07,521 --> 00:13:10,355 as it travels 2,100 feet per second, 282 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:12,423 two times faster than the speed of sound. 283 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:15,527 Over large distances, 284 00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:18,530 this difference in velocity can create an illusion 285 00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:21,199 where an observer may witness the impact of the bullet... 286 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:24,302 Before hearing the sound of the shot. 287 00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:30,775 Audio ready. 288 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:32,710 Shooter ready. 289 00:13:32,779 --> 00:13:33,779 Send it. 290 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:36,848 All right. 291 00:13:36,917 --> 00:13:38,550 I think this'll be enough to send back 292 00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:40,952 and have them match up with the data in Dealey Plaza. 293 00:13:41,054 --> 00:13:42,320 Perfect. 294 00:13:43,723 --> 00:13:45,056 Back in Dallas, 295 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,991 the acoustic engineers have gathered 296 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:48,860 all of the information they need 297 00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:51,629 to build their computer model of Dealey Plaza 298 00:13:51,731 --> 00:13:54,465 and measure echoes within the space. 299 00:13:54,568 --> 00:13:57,001 What we specifically want to do 300 00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:59,237 is take all the witnesses 301 00:13:59,272 --> 00:14:03,074 that heard the shots coming from the sixth floor, 302 00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:05,410 others saying they came from somewhere else 303 00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:08,680 so let's place them geographically on this map 304 00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:10,415 and see if it makes sense. 305 00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:11,649 Is there a reason for that, 306 00:14:11,751 --> 00:14:13,151 a scientific reason? 307 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:14,352 Okay. 308 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:20,291 The Warren Commission officially ruled 309 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,860 there were three shots 310 00:14:21,928 --> 00:14:23,394 on the day of the president's murder. 311 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:25,296 But for more than 50 years, 312 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:28,600 there have been conspiracy theories questioning that. 313 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:31,102 For our audio test, the number of shots is irrelevant. 314 00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:32,871 What I want to find out 315 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:34,906 is if earwitness accounts of the gunfire 316 00:14:34,975 --> 00:14:36,808 are reliable at all. 317 00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:40,311 This test will tell us if we can trust what they reported 318 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,615 about the number of shots and where they came from 319 00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:46,417 or if echoes distorted the truth. 320 00:14:46,486 --> 00:14:48,119 The model illustrates 321 00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:51,556 sound reverberation within Dealey Plaza. 322 00:14:51,625 --> 00:14:53,391 As gunfire from the sixth floor 323 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:55,627 of the Texas School Book Depository 324 00:14:55,695 --> 00:14:58,229 radiates into the square, it bounces off of 325 00:14:58,298 --> 00:15:01,566 the glass, concrete, and granite structures 326 00:15:01,635 --> 00:15:04,435 to create large echoes less than a second 327 00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:06,905 after the initial blast. 328 00:15:06,973 --> 00:15:08,217 So the School Book Depository, 329 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:09,807 we just got one window in it with a 330 00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:12,911 sound source aimed, you know, down here on the road. 331 00:15:13,013 --> 00:15:15,647 What we can do now, we can grab a probe, 332 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:17,548 and we can place this anywhere we want, 333 00:15:17,651 --> 00:15:19,550 and it will show us how the sound 334 00:15:19,653 --> 00:15:21,452 gets from this point to that listener. 335 00:15:21,521 --> 00:15:23,655 This is, maybe one of the most interesting 336 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:25,089 positions down here. 337 00:15:25,158 --> 00:15:26,624 This would be down there, 338 00:15:26,693 --> 00:15:28,726 across from the grassy knoll. 339 00:15:28,828 --> 00:15:30,295 The first sound they would hear 340 00:15:30,363 --> 00:15:32,563 would be the direct sound from here to there. 341 00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:36,167 The next sound they hear is off the face of the bridge, 342 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:37,802 about 88 decibels. 343 00:15:37,871 --> 00:15:40,872 The one coming off the bridge is at 84 decibels. 344 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:42,273 It's only 4 decibels less, 345 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:44,876 almost a negligible difference. 346 00:15:44,945 --> 00:15:47,679 The model illustrates that a single gunshot 347 00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:49,781 originating at the Depository 348 00:15:49,849 --> 00:15:52,383 would produce an echo off of the overpass 349 00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:54,152 on the opposite end of the plaza 350 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:56,354 at virtually the same decibel level 351 00:15:56,423 --> 00:15:58,423 as the initial shot. 352 00:15:58,525 --> 00:15:59,991 If someone hears a shot from here, 353 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:02,026 that's their first one. 354 00:16:02,062 --> 00:16:03,995 And then there would be enough delay 355 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:05,763 for somebody standing here to think 356 00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:07,765 there was a second shot from a different part. 357 00:16:07,867 --> 00:16:09,467 Yes. 358 00:16:09,536 --> 00:16:11,869 Virtually anywhere that we probe into this model 359 00:16:11,938 --> 00:16:13,404 around the viewing area, 360 00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:16,874 we have at least one echo, sometimes two or three. 361 00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:18,609 So what did those people hear? 362 00:16:18,712 --> 00:16:22,580 Did they hear a shot or did they hear an echo? 363 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:25,683 A single shot could create enough confusion 364 00:16:25,752 --> 00:16:27,719 that people will not be sure where it came from. 365 00:16:27,787 --> 00:16:29,307 An environment like this where you have 366 00:16:29,422 --> 00:16:31,322 a lot of parallel reflective surfaces, 367 00:16:31,391 --> 00:16:33,057 echoes can deceive you. 368 00:16:33,126 --> 00:16:35,226 I think they provide a logical explanation 369 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:37,228 for why there are so many varying opinions 370 00:16:37,297 --> 00:16:39,030 about where the sound came from, 371 00:16:39,065 --> 00:16:40,631 how many shots there were, 372 00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:43,334 and what direction, you know, they heard it from. 373 00:16:43,403 --> 00:16:46,037 Everyone could have been hearing the same shot, 374 00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:49,640 but because of the echo, they placed it somewhere else. 375 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,009 - Correct. - Absolutely. 376 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:52,276 Multiple echoes. 377 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:55,246 Their testimony, the earwitnesses 378 00:16:55,315 --> 00:16:57,482 is, in effect, unreliable. 379 00:16:57,584 --> 00:16:59,384 Yes. 380 00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:02,420 After this acoustics test and our ballistics test, 381 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:05,356 I remain convinced there's no hard evidence 382 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:09,093 to support the idea of a second shooter in Dealey Plaza. 383 00:17:09,162 --> 00:17:13,197 In my mind, Oswald was the only shooter on that day. 384 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:16,868 But that doesn't change the fact that we found evidence 385 00:17:16,936 --> 00:17:19,137 connecting him to Alpha 66 386 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:22,206 in the months before he pulled the trigger. 387 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:25,243 Now I want to look at the aftermath of the crime, 388 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:28,546 to see if they were in Dallas to help Oswald get away. 389 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:39,290 The ballistic tests and the echo tests 390 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,061 confirms my belief that Oswald was the lone shooter. 391 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:44,896 But it doesn't address at all 392 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:47,098 the problem of accomplices. 393 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:50,568 After ruling out a second shooter in Dealey Plaza, 394 00:17:50,637 --> 00:17:52,870 Bob and Adam now shift their focus 395 00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:55,273 to the aftermath of Kennedy's murder. 396 00:17:55,341 --> 00:17:57,175 They're searching for evidence 397 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,243 of Oswald's potential accomplices, 398 00:17:59,312 --> 00:18:02,914 rogue members of a Cuban group called Alpha 66, 399 00:18:02,982 --> 00:18:05,416 on the day of the assassination. 400 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,819 If they helped him plan the assassination, 401 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:11,089 I'll bet they helped him get away. 402 00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:15,159 Oswald shoots the president at 12:30. 403 00:18:15,195 --> 00:18:16,727 After he shot the president, 404 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:18,996 he didn't sit up there in the Book Depository 405 00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:20,264 waiting to be arrested. 406 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,033 He had a plan to get away. 407 00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:23,301 Yep. 408 00:18:23,369 --> 00:18:24,802 Let's dig into the documents 409 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:28,106 and see the timeline of Oswald's escape plan. 410 00:18:28,174 --> 00:18:30,341 The Warren Commission catalogued 411 00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:32,510 all of Lee Harvey Oswald's movements 412 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:34,045 and possessions 413 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:36,147 from the day of the assassination. 414 00:18:36,216 --> 00:18:38,549 12:36 p.m., Oswald takes a bus transfer 415 00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:40,551 near St. Paul and Elm Street. 416 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:45,356 Roughly around five minutes after the shots were taken. 417 00:18:45,425 --> 00:18:47,558 He knew he had to get off the street. 418 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,827 At 12:36, he got on the bus. 419 00:18:49,896 --> 00:18:54,165 1:00 p.m., Oswald arrived at his rooming house. 420 00:18:54,234 --> 00:18:56,167 He runs into traffic. 421 00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:59,170 He gets off the bus, catches a cab. 422 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:02,640 By 1:00, he's back at his rooming house. 423 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:09,747 1:16 p.m., Oswald shoots Officer J.D. Tippit four times. 424 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:13,451 Tippit stood in his way, wherever he was going. 425 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:19,157 1:51 p.m., arrested at the Texas theater. 426 00:19:19,225 --> 00:19:21,826 He clearly was not heading for a dead end. 427 00:19:21,895 --> 00:19:23,828 He wasn't going to see a movie. 428 00:19:24,964 --> 00:19:26,397 The hour and 20 minutes 429 00:19:26,466 --> 00:19:29,534 after he shoots the president at 12:30, 430 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:34,005 are absolutely key of whether he had accomplices. 431 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:37,575 As soon as Oswald decided to assassinate the president, 432 00:19:37,644 --> 00:19:40,745 I have no doubt that he planned his escape route. 433 00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:43,581 The Warren Commission looked at the facts, 434 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:46,817 but they never looked for accomplices along that route. 435 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,020 Were other people hidden along the way 436 00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,055 to help him to get out of Dallas? 437 00:19:51,124 --> 00:19:52,823 That's what we need to find out. 438 00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:54,759 Adam, look, you and I 439 00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:58,563 have to put ourselves in his mind. 440 00:19:58,631 --> 00:20:02,466 We've just committed the most horrendous political act 441 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,368 in modern American history. 442 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:06,037 How do you get away? 443 00:20:06,105 --> 00:20:08,706 We need to reconstruct his exit route. 444 00:20:08,775 --> 00:20:11,475 And somewhere along that route, 445 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,778 we're gonna find an answer. 446 00:20:15,448 --> 00:20:17,248 Bob and Adam begin their analysis 447 00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:18,716 of Oswald's escape route 448 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,385 on the corner of Houston and Elm Streets 449 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:25,623 at the Texas School Book Depository. 450 00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:27,959 There's Dealey Plaza. 451 00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:31,095 See the X down there? 452 00:20:31,164 --> 00:20:32,830 Yeah, it's as clear as can be. 453 00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:55,286 After the last and final shot, 454 00:20:55,355 --> 00:20:57,755 he just dropped the rifle, he's thinking, 455 00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:59,857 "How do I get out of here?" 456 00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:02,360 The moment you plan an operation, 457 00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:06,130 whether it's an assassination or an ambush, 458 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:09,333 you're looking at routes of egress, 459 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:10,768 and not just one. 460 00:21:10,837 --> 00:21:12,770 It was part of our tactics 461 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,872 that you enter by one exit 462 00:21:14,907 --> 00:21:17,975 and depart through another, and it's never the same. 463 00:21:18,044 --> 00:21:20,077 He wouldn't have left this building without a plan. 464 00:21:20,179 --> 00:21:21,912 I agree. 465 00:21:22,015 --> 00:21:24,115 In my experience, there are three things you need 466 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:27,752 in the aftermath of any operation: 467 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,387 A concealed route 468 00:21:29,455 --> 00:21:32,056 free from public view and law enforcement, 469 00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:36,427 a safe house you can use to get off the street if necessary, 470 00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:38,029 and accomplices 471 00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:40,965 who are physically able to aid your escape. 472 00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:43,167 We need to see if Alpha 66 473 00:21:43,236 --> 00:21:47,204 was providing Oswald with those three things. 474 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:49,907 The moment he pulls that trigger, he's out of here. 475 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,542 Time is not on his side. 476 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,210 Right. 477 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,313 After Oswald fires the fatal shots... 478 00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:58,816 He drops his MannlicherCarcano rifle 479 00:21:58,885 --> 00:22:01,819 on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. 480 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:04,655 Approximately 90 seconds later, 481 00:22:04,724 --> 00:22:06,657 he encounters a Dallas policeman 482 00:22:06,726 --> 00:22:08,659 on the second floor of the building. 483 00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,628 The officer releases Oswald 484 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:13,497 when he's identified as an employee. 485 00:22:13,566 --> 00:22:15,933 Approximately three minutes after the shots, 486 00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:18,836 he exits through the front door of the Depository, 487 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:22,940 walks east, and then boards a bus headed west. 488 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:25,676 When the bus runs into traffic near Dealey Plaza, 489 00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:28,579 Oswald gets off, walks south, 490 00:22:28,648 --> 00:22:31,449 and then hails a cab toward his rooming house, 491 00:22:31,484 --> 00:22:33,751 two miles away in Oak Cliff. 492 00:22:33,786 --> 00:22:36,854 At 1:00 p.m., 30 minutes after the shooting, 493 00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:39,590 the taxi drops Oswald 1/3 of a mile 494 00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:41,359 from his rooming house. 495 00:22:43,763 --> 00:22:45,262 That's the house right up there. 496 00:22:45,331 --> 00:22:46,651 - All right. - Pull right in here. 497 00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:53,471 Here's where the taxi drops him off, 498 00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:55,439 1/3 of a mile past his house. 499 00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:57,708 There's downtown. 500 00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:01,078 Downtown's 2 miles away, catches a cab, 501 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:03,214 comes barreling down this street, 502 00:23:03,282 --> 00:23:07,418 past his boarding house, gets off here. 503 00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:09,787 The fact that he came so far down the road, 504 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:12,456 1/3 of a mile, let's leave the car here and walk back. 505 00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:15,259 Kinda put ourselves back in his shoes. 506 00:23:15,328 --> 00:23:17,228 He's walking down this street. 507 00:23:17,296 --> 00:23:21,432 Look at this area here. It's suburban, wide open. 508 00:23:21,501 --> 00:23:24,301 Here's the boarding house. 509 00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:27,671 He has the taxi come across this intersection, 510 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:29,507 go up the street. 511 00:23:29,542 --> 00:23:32,743 And if you look up there in those trees, 512 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,246 it's impossible to see somebody standing 513 00:23:35,314 --> 00:23:37,815 simply observing this location. 514 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:40,117 You could stand there, be unobserved, 515 00:23:40,153 --> 00:23:41,719 and make a clear assessment 516 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:45,122 of whether it's safe to approach this location. 517 00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:47,057 I've spent years and years and years 518 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:49,460 getting dropped off near safe houses, 519 00:23:49,495 --> 00:23:52,129 and you'd never get dropped off in front of a safe house. 520 00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:53,798 That takes discipline. 521 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:56,934 The fact that Oswald was dropped off 522 00:23:57,003 --> 00:23:59,503 1/3 of a mile past his boarding house 523 00:23:59,572 --> 00:24:02,606 tells me he had a plan to get away. 524 00:24:02,675 --> 00:24:05,476 He wasn't running around in a panic. 525 00:24:05,511 --> 00:24:07,144 It's standard trade craft. 526 00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:09,113 He performed surveillance on his destination 527 00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:10,681 by driving by it. 528 00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,651 It says to me Oswald was deliberate. 529 00:24:13,719 --> 00:24:15,252 This is not a panicked man. 530 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:17,555 - No, this... - This is a man with a plan. 531 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,693 As the investigation 532 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,395 returns to the scene of the crime, 533 00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:27,965 in Dallas, Bob and Adam are reconstructing. 534 00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:30,701 Lee Harvey Oswald's escape from Dealey Plaza 535 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:33,671 after he assassinated President Kennedy. 536 00:24:33,739 --> 00:24:37,374 The Warren Commission ruled that Oswald acted alone. 537 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:39,176 But we found evidence suggesting 538 00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:40,845 he was working with rogue members 539 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:43,814 of a Cuban militant group called Alpha 66 540 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:46,951 in the months before JFK's murder. 541 00:24:47,053 --> 00:24:48,552 If they helped him before the mission, 542 00:24:48,621 --> 00:24:50,821 my suspicion is that they were in Dallas 543 00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:52,823 waiting to help him escape. 544 00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:54,425 We need to examine his getaway route 545 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:56,494 for any signs of these accomplices 546 00:24:56,562 --> 00:24:57,895 on the day of the crime. 547 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:02,399 On November 22, 1963, 548 00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:05,202 Oswald opens fire in Dealey Plaza 549 00:25:05,271 --> 00:25:07,738 at 12:30 p.m. central time. 550 00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:10,274 30 minutes later, 551 00:25:10,309 --> 00:25:12,676 a taxi drops him 1/3 of a mile away 552 00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:16,080 from his rooming house on North Beckley Avenue. 553 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:24,722 You were here when Lee Harvey Oswald was here. 554 00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:27,258 We were here almost every single day. 555 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,392 So you knew him? 556 00:25:28,461 --> 00:25:30,394 Yes, I did, I certainly did. 557 00:25:30,463 --> 00:25:32,062 Lee Harvey Oswald 558 00:25:32,131 --> 00:25:34,932 checked into the rooming house under the name O.H. Lee 559 00:25:35,001 --> 00:25:37,701 on October 14, 1963. 560 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:40,604 Patricia Hall was 11 years old at the time 561 00:25:40,673 --> 00:25:43,107 and still lives at the address. 562 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:45,342 - You remember him? - I do. 563 00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:47,578 You used to see him how often? 564 00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:49,079 We saw him every day. 565 00:25:49,148 --> 00:25:50,714 What was he like? 566 00:25:50,783 --> 00:25:54,451 You know, honestly he was just a very nice young man. 567 00:25:54,487 --> 00:25:58,289 The antisocial loner persona 568 00:25:58,357 --> 00:26:01,458 that the government puts out about him, 569 00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:03,460 this family never saw. 570 00:26:03,496 --> 00:26:04,706 And where did he live in opposed to... 571 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,196 - I mean, where was his... - Yeah. 572 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:08,032 Just right through there. 573 00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:13,037 This is his little room. 574 00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:17,908 He was a private person. 575 00:26:17,977 --> 00:26:21,745 We knew he had a young family and that they were separated, 576 00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:26,517 he would go to Irving to see his wife and the children 577 00:26:26,586 --> 00:26:29,019 every single weekend. 578 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:31,488 He would get calls... 579 00:26:31,591 --> 00:26:33,757 On this phone. 580 00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:35,693 Did he ever use the phone to call out? 581 00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:37,161 Yes. 582 00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:39,830 He did get calls from gentlemen. 583 00:26:39,899 --> 00:26:43,601 We heard him speaking Spanish and Russian. 584 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:46,804 Really? 585 00:26:46,872 --> 00:26:48,317 You heard him speaking both Spanish and Russian... 586 00:26:48,341 --> 00:26:49,840 - Yes. - On this telephone right here? 587 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:50,941 Yes. 588 00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:52,476 While it was possible that 589 00:26:52,545 --> 00:26:55,512 he was speaking Russian to his wife, Marina, 590 00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:57,181 who was he speaking Spanish with? 591 00:26:57,249 --> 00:26:58,182 According to the Warren Commission, 592 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,950 he's got no friends. 593 00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:03,120 Was he speaking Spanish with members of Alpha 66? 594 00:27:03,222 --> 00:27:05,189 Were they discussing the assassination? 595 00:27:05,257 --> 00:27:06,724 Let me ask you this, Pat. 596 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,537 We're kind of narrowing it down a little bit. 597 00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:10,361 We wanna kind of see if you can kind of 598 00:27:10,429 --> 00:27:13,163 dig back in your memory bank and think about the... 599 00:27:13,232 --> 00:27:15,766 The time after the assassination. 600 00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:18,936 The only actual eyewitness we have 601 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:21,939 is the housekeeper, Earlene Roberts. 602 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,874 She was the only one here. 603 00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:29,179 According to her, she was sitting down 604 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:32,383 watching her favorite soap opera, 605 00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:34,385 "As the World Turns." 606 00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,320 A little after it had been on, 607 00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:38,989 Walter Cronkite broke in and gave the news 608 00:27:39,058 --> 00:27:41,058 about the president being shot. 609 00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:43,494 When Mr. Lee quickly came in, 610 00:27:43,562 --> 00:27:46,030 "she turned to him and said, "Mr. Lee, 611 00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:48,599 did you hear that someone shot our president?" 612 00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:51,402 And he didn't say anything to her. 613 00:27:53,072 --> 00:27:57,207 He just came in, went straight to his room, 614 00:27:57,276 --> 00:28:00,844 grabbed an Eisenhower jacket, 615 00:28:00,913 --> 00:28:03,981 and in the wardrobe closet 616 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:07,184 there is a gun in one of those drawers. 617 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:10,220 Hid it under his jacket, and walked out. 618 00:28:10,256 --> 00:28:12,523 And she again turned to him and said, 619 00:28:12,591 --> 00:28:15,092 "Well, you sure seem to be in a hurry." 620 00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:21,432 Because she was paid to be a nosey Rosey, 621 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:24,635 she got up, went to the windows, 622 00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:28,238 and watched where he went. 623 00:28:28,307 --> 00:28:30,040 And she testified 624 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:32,543 that he went to the right 625 00:28:32,611 --> 00:28:36,113 and stood at the bus stop. 626 00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:41,251 It was unusual for him to come home 627 00:28:41,287 --> 00:28:42,653 in the middle of the day. 628 00:28:42,788 --> 00:28:44,621 Just in a hurry. 629 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,757 If we're looking for accessories, 630 00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:49,593 we need to look at every detail of his escape. 631 00:28:49,662 --> 00:28:53,564 Why didn't he bring his pistol to the Depository? 632 00:28:53,632 --> 00:28:56,166 Why take the detour back to the rooming house? 633 00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:58,335 Where is he planning on going next? 634 00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,070 Tell me about the housekeeper. 635 00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:03,073 I mean, when she talked to the Warren Commission, 636 00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:04,608 did they ask her about... 637 00:29:04,677 --> 00:29:06,443 Yeah, and she told 'em 638 00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:09,279 that he went out the door and went to the right 639 00:29:09,348 --> 00:29:12,182 but the Warren Commission's basic route 640 00:29:12,218 --> 00:29:14,418 that they suggest that he took 641 00:29:14,487 --> 00:29:15,719 was, he went out the doors 642 00:29:15,821 --> 00:29:17,821 and immediately turned to the left. 643 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:19,990 But she told them he turned right. 644 00:29:20,059 --> 00:29:23,460 She did, and they ignored that. 645 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:26,997 So you have a witness' statement that's ignored, 646 00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:29,800 and instead, a suggestion is made. 647 00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:31,146 I mean, that's what I'm hearing. 648 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:32,503 - Yeah. - A suggestion... 649 00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:34,671 And she was very definite. 650 00:29:34,774 --> 00:29:37,341 Went out the door, turned right. 651 00:29:37,409 --> 00:29:39,276 Every detail means something. 652 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:42,546 And right now we're collecting a lot of new information. 653 00:29:42,581 --> 00:29:46,450 We now know that Oswald was speaking Spanish 654 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,052 on the phone at his boarding house. 655 00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:52,222 We also know that he reportedly didn't look panicked 656 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:55,025 when he came here on the day of the assassination. 657 00:29:55,094 --> 00:29:57,895 Now we're hearing that the Warren Commission 658 00:29:57,930 --> 00:30:00,130 ignored the eyewitness testimony 659 00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:01,532 about Oswald's actions 660 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:03,700 after leaving the boarding house. 661 00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:05,502 - It was great meeting you. - Thank you. 662 00:30:05,571 --> 00:30:07,237 My suspicion is, 663 00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:09,273 they missed something along this route. 664 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,008 Oswald had a plan, 665 00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:13,377 and we're gonna figure out what that plan was. 666 00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:18,949 What it comes down to is, 667 00:30:19,018 --> 00:30:22,719 there's something he was gonna do in this area. 668 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:24,354 Searching through more than 669 00:30:24,423 --> 00:30:26,490 2 million declassified government files, 670 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,459 Bob and Adam have uncovered new evidence 671 00:30:29,528 --> 00:30:31,161 suggesting Lee Harvey Oswald 672 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:33,297 was working with rogue members 673 00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:36,366 of a Cuban exile group called Alpha 66 674 00:30:36,435 --> 00:30:39,469 during the months before JFK's murder. 675 00:30:39,505 --> 00:30:42,439 Everything we've seen from Oswald right now, 676 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:43,807 his movements are calculated; 677 00:30:43,876 --> 00:30:45,609 They're orchestrated to a degree. 678 00:30:45,678 --> 00:30:47,377 Now, the team is 679 00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:50,080 reconstructing Oswald's getaway route 680 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,649 to look for evidence that these same men 681 00:30:52,685 --> 00:30:55,986 were accomplices on the day of the assassination. 682 00:30:56,055 --> 00:30:57,588 First thing you do 683 00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:59,210 when you're planning a covert mission 684 00:30:59,258 --> 00:31:00,791 is plan the getaway. 685 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:02,726 The question is, where was he headed 686 00:31:02,761 --> 00:31:04,795 and who was he going to meet? 687 00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:07,998 Lee Harvey Oswald began working 688 00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:10,033 at the Texas School Book Depository 689 00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:12,769 on October 16, 1963, 690 00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:15,973 only 38 days before JFK's murder. 691 00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:20,377 After shooting Kennedy 692 00:31:20,446 --> 00:31:22,045 from the sixth floor of the building, 693 00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:24,248 Oswald flees to his rooming house, 694 00:31:24,316 --> 00:31:26,016 grabs a jacket and pistol, 695 00:31:26,085 --> 00:31:28,719 before walking back onto the street. 696 00:31:28,787 --> 00:31:32,356 Based on eyewitnesses accounts from Dealey Plaza, 697 00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:36,894 Dallas Police dispatch puts out an APB at 12:45 698 00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:39,396 for a white male, slender build, 699 00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:43,233 approximately 30 years of age. 700 00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:45,369 So far we've tracked things that we know. 701 00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:47,638 Here's where things begin to change. 702 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:48,906 Yeah. 703 00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:52,342 At 1:16 p.m., 704 00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:55,545 Officer J.D. Tippit confronts Oswald 705 00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:57,247 near the corner of 10th Street 706 00:31:57,316 --> 00:32:00,617 and South Patton Avenue. 707 00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:02,085 At this point, 708 00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:04,855 Oswald is miles from the crime scene 709 00:32:04,924 --> 00:32:06,757 in a residential neighborhood 710 00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:09,259 and was probably moving at a rush. 711 00:32:09,328 --> 00:32:13,230 I doubt that Tippit ever knew he'd identified the assassin, 712 00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:15,365 but he matched the description. 713 00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:18,702 Oswald must have realized it was all over 714 00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:22,940 when Tippit gets out of the car. 715 00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:26,677 Right at this point, when Oswald sees Tippit, 716 00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:29,846 that's when he first starts to panic. 717 00:32:35,054 --> 00:32:36,653 As Tippit lay there dying, 718 00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:38,255 a witness on the street 719 00:32:38,324 --> 00:32:44,061 grabbed the police radio and called it in. 720 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:46,096 I think what's near certain 721 00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:48,598 is that Oswald had a getaway plan. 722 00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:50,734 But wherever he was going, 723 00:32:50,803 --> 00:32:52,302 it's over at this point. 724 00:32:52,371 --> 00:32:56,273 He knows this place is gonna be flooded with police. 725 00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,076 Right at that spot where Tippit's killed, 726 00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:02,079 that's where his plans come off the tracks. 727 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:07,517 If it weren't for Tippit, Oswald was minutes away 728 00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:10,220 from pulling off the crime of the century. 729 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:14,958 But what we have to ask ourselves is, "What if?" 730 00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:18,662 What if Officer Tippit didn't stop him? 731 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:27,270 We have to imagine, at this point, 732 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:29,673 Oswald was still on a mission, 733 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,508 keeping his head down low, 734 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:34,144 trying not to raise suspicion. 735 00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:35,946 He was going somewhere 736 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:39,249 with a sense of purpose that day. 737 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,151 In the absence of any other evidence, 738 00:33:41,186 --> 00:33:43,286 he was heading to meet accomplices. 739 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,288 That makes sense to me. Exactly. Exactly. 740 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,291 My suspicion is, if we look at this hypothetical, 741 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,926 this alternate timeline 742 00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:52,195 where Officer Tippit isn't murdered, 743 00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:54,865 we'll find the answers we're looking for. 744 00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:57,667 To regroup 745 00:33:57,736 --> 00:34:00,170 and examine this alternate timeline, 746 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:03,073 Bob and Adam head for the Texas Theatre, 747 00:34:03,142 --> 00:34:06,777 where Oswald fled after murdering Officer Tippit. 748 00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,183 So this is where it all ends for Oswald. 749 00:34:13,252 --> 00:34:18,021 Third row down, this is where they grabbed him. 750 00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:20,057 How many people were here? 751 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,558 12. 752 00:34:21,627 --> 00:34:22,627 12 people that day. 753 00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:24,061 Not very crowded. 754 00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:28,398 When he goes to this theater, 755 00:34:28,467 --> 00:34:30,400 he's not thinking rationally, 756 00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:34,838 because his plan of escape fell apart. 757 00:34:34,907 --> 00:34:37,974 This is when he starts to improvise. 758 00:34:38,077 --> 00:34:41,845 Even he probably knew it was all over at that point. 759 00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:44,414 Oswald enters the theater without paying, 760 00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:48,018 sneaking into a screening of "War is Hell." 761 00:34:48,087 --> 00:34:51,021 Police receive a tip about a suspicious man 762 00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:52,422 matching the description 763 00:34:52,491 --> 00:34:54,991 of the suspect in Tippit's murder. 764 00:34:55,094 --> 00:34:57,427 Oswald is arrested at the Texas Theatre 765 00:34:57,463 --> 00:35:01,598 at 1:50 p.m. central time. 766 00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:05,035 The question is, if Oswald doesn't kill Tippit, 767 00:35:05,104 --> 00:35:07,704 where was he gonna go? 768 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,707 Let's see what we've got about his possible route. 769 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:13,376 From the time he leaves the rooming house 770 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:14,878 till he shoots Tippit. 771 00:35:14,947 --> 00:35:16,591 What do you have from the Warren Commission? 772 00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:19,483 Warren Commission, Oswald, escape. 773 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,161 My god, not a damn thing. Look at that. 774 00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:32,796 Not a word. 775 00:35:32,865 --> 00:35:36,600 What we need to do is widen our scope. 776 00:35:36,668 --> 00:35:38,268 The Warren Commission 777 00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:40,737 never looked for Oswald's potential escape route. 778 00:35:40,806 --> 00:35:43,673 They just went with the easy assumption 779 00:35:43,709 --> 00:35:45,675 he was running around in a panic. 780 00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:48,979 What we know of Oswald is, he always had a plan. 781 00:35:52,351 --> 00:35:53,617 All right, here we go, Bob. 782 00:35:53,685 --> 00:35:55,185 There is something here 783 00:35:55,254 --> 00:35:57,287 in the Secret Service file right here. 784 00:35:57,356 --> 00:36:00,590 It shows that Oswald had the bus transfer ticket 785 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:03,994 for a stop very close to where the Tippit murder occurred. 786 00:36:04,062 --> 00:36:06,296 It's only, like, a block and a half. 787 00:36:06,365 --> 00:36:10,800 So he could have used the transfer ticket to catch a bus. 788 00:36:10,869 --> 00:36:14,804 There was a way out for him right down the street. 789 00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:17,207 When Oswald first flees 790 00:36:17,242 --> 00:36:19,075 the School Book Depository, 791 00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:22,512 he walks East and then boards a bus headed west. 792 00:36:22,581 --> 00:36:25,382 When the bus runs into traffic near Dealey Plaza, 793 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,184 Oswald gets off. 794 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:30,520 But before he does, he takes a transfer ticket. 795 00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:32,022 This allows him to board 796 00:36:32,057 --> 00:36:36,126 another bus within Dallas for no charge. 797 00:36:36,195 --> 00:36:38,929 According to Secret Service documents, 798 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:42,199 they believed Oswald was going to take the 55 bus. 799 00:36:42,267 --> 00:36:44,501 He had the transfer ticket to make it happen. 800 00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:47,671 This could have been Oswald's plan to get away. 801 00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:49,306 I think we're gonna have to go 802 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,107 see what we can find along that route. 803 00:36:51,176 --> 00:36:55,845 After a murder like this, he needed to get out of sight. 804 00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:57,647 We need to follow that escape route 805 00:36:57,716 --> 00:36:59,149 and see where it leads. 806 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:09,059 Oswald didn't just walk out of the Book Depository, 807 00:37:09,094 --> 00:37:11,661 stunned at what he had done. 808 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,165 He had a plan for leaving. 809 00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:17,834 A declassified Secret Service file 810 00:37:17,903 --> 00:37:19,636 delivered to the Warren Commission 811 00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:22,505 but not included in the official report 812 00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,774 reveals that Lee Harvey Oswald may have planned 813 00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:28,678 to use the 55 bus route for his escape 814 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:32,682 on the day of the assassination. 815 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:35,919 The 55 bus is no longer in service, 816 00:37:35,988 --> 00:37:38,388 so Bob and Adam drive the old route 817 00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:41,291 to search for evidence of possible collaborators 818 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,660 along Oswald's getaway. 819 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,563 Here's a city that's on lockdown. 820 00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:49,499 I mean, look at this bus route. 821 00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:53,336 Easy to intercept anybody coming down this way. 822 00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:55,805 The bus route the Secret Service suspects 823 00:37:55,874 --> 00:37:58,908 he intended to use has some big issues. 824 00:37:58,977 --> 00:38:02,279 First off, it goes through a busy part of town. 825 00:38:02,347 --> 00:38:05,348 On that day, the police would have been everywhere. 826 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:07,317 It's extremely exposed. 827 00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:09,586 During my 21 years in the CIA, 828 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,455 we did a lot of training for covert operations. 829 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:15,125 And we were always taught that during an escape, 830 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,160 you always avoid the easy exit 831 00:38:17,229 --> 00:38:20,463 and instead you have a plan to get off the street; 832 00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:22,299 Somewhere to lay low. 833 00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:26,102 Oswald just assassinated the president of the United States. 834 00:38:26,171 --> 00:38:28,538 He's got his transfer. 835 00:38:28,674 --> 00:38:30,373 He's on the run. 836 00:38:30,442 --> 00:38:32,409 And there's the Greyhound Station. 837 00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:33,777 Yeah. 838 00:38:33,845 --> 00:38:35,745 Let's go take a look at it. 839 00:38:42,254 --> 00:38:43,586 Look at this. 840 00:38:43,689 --> 00:38:45,288 What bothers me is, 841 00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:46,990 if you look at the bus route, 842 00:38:47,059 --> 00:38:48,591 an hour, an hour and a half, 843 00:38:48,694 --> 00:38:52,796 it's too long to get out here, board a bus, 844 00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:56,366 and not expect the Dallas police to have this place covered. 845 00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:57,500 Yeah. 846 00:38:57,569 --> 00:38:58,968 You're bound to get caught. 847 00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:01,004 Oswald's too smart for that. 848 00:39:01,073 --> 00:39:06,176 I mean, there's something else out here that he was after. 849 00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:08,111 Everything we've seen tells me that. 850 00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:11,147 Oswald meticulously planned this escape. 851 00:39:11,216 --> 00:39:13,216 He was a Marine, and the evidence tells us 852 00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:16,052 he was connected to trained militants. 853 00:39:16,088 --> 00:39:18,188 He wouldn't have hurried to a Greyhound Station 854 00:39:18,256 --> 00:39:20,590 and not expected police to be waiting. 855 00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:22,992 His plan would have been more calculated. 856 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:27,831 He would need, out here, some sort of help. 857 00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:30,567 Would he have had accomplices out here? 858 00:39:30,635 --> 00:39:32,235 Let's do a radius search. 859 00:39:32,304 --> 00:39:34,371 I mean, I want to see what's just around here, 860 00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:37,006 I mean, what's... Where else could he have gone? 861 00:39:37,075 --> 00:39:38,942 Let me get in the database. 862 00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:42,779 Twomile radius, 1963, Oswald. 863 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,153 County of Dallas police report. 864 00:39:52,524 --> 00:39:55,759 Some Cubans had been having meetings 865 00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:59,429 and were connected with an organization 866 00:40:00,298 --> 00:40:05,034 of which Oswald was a member. 867 00:40:05,103 --> 00:40:06,703 Look at this address. 868 00:40:06,772 --> 00:40:08,972 This was within a twomile radius. 869 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,407 - It's close. - Yeah. 870 00:40:10,475 --> 00:40:11,975 The day of the assassination, 871 00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:13,877 he is near a place 872 00:40:13,945 --> 00:40:16,546 that has Cubans that he's visited before. 873 00:40:16,615 --> 00:40:19,282 This is what we've been searching for. 874 00:40:19,351 --> 00:40:22,051 The Warren Commission never looked for safe houses. 875 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,288 Now we've found a house that could be the answer. 876 00:40:25,357 --> 00:40:27,090 Were these Cubans in the police report 877 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:28,792 members of Alpha 66 878 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:32,695 supporting Oswald in his mission to kill JFK? 879 00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:35,598 Were they planning to help him escape? 880 00:40:35,667 --> 00:40:37,500 This house is the key 881 00:40:37,569 --> 00:40:40,437 to blowing the doors off this investigation. 882 00:40:40,505 --> 00:40:43,573 Harlendale is right around the corner. 883 00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:45,642 It's definitely a lead that's worth running down. 884 00:40:45,677 --> 00:40:47,143 Okay, let's go take a look at it. 885 00:40:47,212 --> 00:40:48,378 All right, sounds good. 886 00:40:53,351 --> 00:40:56,386 On the season finale of "Tracking Oswald"... 887 00:40:58,557 --> 00:41:02,225 No one has ever seen this before. 888 00:41:02,327 --> 00:41:06,129 That's the key piece of evidence. 889 00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:08,164 This is the best source we're going to get. 890 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,067 We need to reconstruct his exit route. 891 00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:12,802 I can't believe this. 892 00:41:12,871 --> 00:41:15,805 Get off a bus, you'd be inside within two minutes. 893 00:41:15,874 --> 00:41:18,641 - You see our ride yet? - Yeah, it looks like us. 894 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:21,110 We need to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes. 895 00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:22,745 This is our guy. 896 00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:25,782 The chief of operations was a double agent. 897 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:30,887 This could be the lynchpin of breaking open this case. 898 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:32,689 We'll get the radio going, 899 00:41:32,757 --> 00:41:34,958 We'll do this test, and then we'll get out of there. 900 00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:36,504 Here's the coast of Cuba right there. 901 00:41:36,528 --> 00:41:37,894 It's coming up on the chart. 902 00:41:39,264 --> 00:41:40,864 This could be trouble. 903 00:41:44,436 --> 00:41:48,171 Five minutes down the road, safe house. 904 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,540 They didn't manage this case. 905 00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:52,876 This has gone way beyond coincidences. 906 00:41:52,911 --> 00:41:54,878 - No. - This is evidence. 907 00:41:54,946 --> 00:41:57,881 As far as I'm concerned, we're gonna find an answer. 71917

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