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Who's that? Who is that?
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Just a patient. Road traffic accident.
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We're only holding two cards, Stella.
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One, we have him two, we
have her and she's alive,
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the rest is a disaster.
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- Do you have a friend called Daisy?
- Why?
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There's something about her online,
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how she met Daddy one time.
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Am I being interviewed under caution?
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- Yes, you are.
- I knew that Rose was in that boot
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and I needed to get to her.
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And what about Mr Spector's life?
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Did you not have a duty to protect that?
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I need some help in here!
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Rose, what are you doing?
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- I want to go home.
- You can't.
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I want to go home!
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A man has come forward
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having seen Spector's
photograph on the news.
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He says Spector looks
like a man who rents
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a lock-up from him in East Belfast,
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under the name Baldwin.
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We've just landed a not
uninteresting little case.
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The Belfast Strangler.
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You stay away from him!
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I haven't been near him!
You need to get a grip!
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You're obsessed, it's pathetic!
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Who's pathetic now?!
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Ma'am.
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Hello, Daddy.
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It's me, Olivia.
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Why are you so big?
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And you, you look different, older.
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What's happening to me?
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More victims?
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- Synced and corrected by chamallow -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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Are you in pain?
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Here.
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We've seen fragments before,
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bits of pages that
didn't burn in the car.
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Enough to confirm that
he kept journals, but
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nothing like this.
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Nothing so extensive,
nothing so detailed.
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I'd put it to Spector that between
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the strangulation of Rose and the
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murder of Fiona Gallagher,
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that there must have been other attacks.
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He said that there
were no other attacks,
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that Fiona Gallagher
was his first murder.
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During that gap in time, he
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suggested that he always
had a "project" to work on.
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Are these those "projects"?
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A.S.
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Might live in the Holylands area,
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who might be a journalist...
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... who seems to wake up late every day
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and skip breakfast.
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Who wears a cream robe after her bath
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and sometimes doesn't completely
close her bedroom curtains.
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Or, R.W...
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who cycles to the
university most days off,
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somewhere in the Lisburn Road.
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Always brings her lunch with her
and eats in the botanic gardens.
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Who has clear, pale skin,
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wears close-fitting clothes
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and walks with a short
stride that Spector likes.
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Where on the continuum of his
violence do these journals fit?
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Are they just fantasies
that sustain him,
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feed his appetites?
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Or are they a record...
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... of nine more murders?
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What time of day is it?
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Morning, afternoon, night?
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Morning.
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Where are we?
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Belfast General Hospital.
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Can you remember the name of your nurse?
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Kiera.
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Are you married, or
do you have a partner?
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I'm married.
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Can you remember any
other family members?
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Sally Ann has a father, John,
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and a mother, Carol.
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We call her Cici.
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And what about you?
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Me?
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Do you have any family?
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No.
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Why is that?
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My mother died.
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And what about your father?
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When I was growing up, he was known as
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Peter Baldwin.
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I thought that man was my father,
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till he left us.
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My mother told me that
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he wasn't my real father, he was...
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just a man.
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When did you become Paul Spector?
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Erm...
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just before I met Sally Ann.
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And why did you change?
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Wanted a...
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clean start.
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- New life.
- Why's that?
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Not sure.
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Has that new life worked for you?
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The sheer volume of garments
suggests there were very many
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fetish burglaries at that time.
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His journals talk of...
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... climbing scaffolding,
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finding windows open, doors unlocked,
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alarms not set.
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I took this photograph to be of a woman.
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On closer inspection...
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it's clear it's a mannequin.
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And these pictures of him.
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The bondage,
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the auto asphyxiation...
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... introduce a new
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element to our understanding
of his sexual behaviour.
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Has any information returned to you
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over the last 12 hours voluntarily?
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I don't think so.
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Hold this in your hand.
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Keep it safe.
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Can you give it back to
me in 15 minutes' time?
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Yes.
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Who's the British Prime Minister?
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Tony Blair.
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Have you heard of Facebook?
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- Yes.
- What is it?
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It's...
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a social networking site.
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And what about Twitter?
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I don't know what that is.
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So you don't know what
a tweet is, or tweeting?
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The sound a bird makes.
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What's a hashtag?
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No idea.
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Presumably,
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I'm supposed to know
what these things are?
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Maybe.
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The main thing
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is that we identify
and find these women.
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Use the initials,
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look at solved or unsolved
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sexually motivated murders,
or attempted murders,
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particularly strangulations
occurring in homes and apartments,
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check Missing Persons for
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suspected foul play.
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We need to know if these
women are alive or dead.
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I think that's all, unless
there's anything else?
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We've confirmed the list of
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children's homes Spector was in,
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following the death of his mother.
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We have lists of all his fellow pupils,
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including those at Gortnacull.
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Any news on the Benedetto girl?
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Uniforms called at her
house this morning, Ma'am.
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She didn't come home last night,
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her mother has no idea where she is.
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A warrant's been issued for her arrest.
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Thank you all.
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What's the last full day you remember?
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It was with Olivia.
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Go on.
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Erm...
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I took her to a playgroup,
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a musical playgroup.
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She loves dancing.
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And, erm...
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they all sing songs,
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The Wheels On The Bus.
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She touches all the right places when
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she does Head,
Shoulders, Knees And Toes.
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Then we went for lunch in the park.
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She was pedalling on her tricycle.
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There's a pair of swans
on the water there,
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nine or ten babies.
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Ugly ducklings.
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She was talking loads.
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She's always getting me to
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play make believe with her.
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It sounds to me like Olivia
is about two years old.
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Yes.
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But she isn't, is she?
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Can you describe what the
memory loss feels like to you?
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Well...
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it feels like it's night-time and...
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there's a thunderstorm and
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I'm standing on a hillside...
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and I've been asked to
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draw a map of the valley below.
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There's lightning flashes.
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They light up the land,
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but only for a few seconds,
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not long enough to draw the map.
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Can you recall who you are?
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In the sense of what
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you were like and what you're like now?
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Your trait characteristics?
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Erm...
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I'm told I have a son.
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I've no reason to
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think that people are
lying to me, but...
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... I don't feel it.
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I'm told I'm in trouble with the police.
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I don't know what I've done.
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I think that I might be different
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but I don't know why.
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I feel like
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I'm an all-right person?
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It will all come back to me, won't it?
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Your anterograde memory is working well.
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Anything else you've forgotten,
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you can relearn.
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But the ownership has gone.
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Gibson?
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Patrick Spencer, ICU Consultant,
Belfast General Hospital.
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Thank you for calling me back, Doctor.
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- I understand he's conscious?
- He is.
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His physiology is normalising.
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He's cardiovascularly stable...
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and has made good progress given the
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massive insult and blood
loss from the bullet wounds...
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But?
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But there is an issue.
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Although his short-term memory
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seems to be functioning adequately...
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... it seems Mr Spector has suffered
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quite extensive long-term memory loss.
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OK.
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I'm just going to move your legs
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to the edge of the bed, here. OK...
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I'm now going to take your arm now.
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OK, here we go...
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Keep going.
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Over here...
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Here.
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OK, that's good. Well done.
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Apparently, he's docile,
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well oriented in time
and space and has...
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established good relations
with his doctors and nurses.
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(For pity's sake!)
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It seems he can acquire new information
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and keep track of his medical
procedures, but that he has
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almost no recollection of the events
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that have taken place over
the last six years or so.
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Are we supposed to be
taking this seriously?
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I think we have to.
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Are they linking this...
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... this impairment
directly to the shooting?
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The nature of the amnesia
has not been established yet.
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It... It might be organic, an
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injury to the brain
because of blood loss
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or a resultant lack of oxygen,
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or it could be psychogenic,
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a result, perhaps, of trauma.
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But until they do an MRI
scan, they can't really say.
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So, perform the MRI scan.
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Spector has retained metal fragments
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from the bullet in his body.
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If they contain iron,
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the fragments can be heated up
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and the magnet can drag
them through the body and
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cause more organ damage.
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Are they conducting
psychological tests yet?
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Yes, they are.
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The Consultant Neuropsychologist
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- is an Alison Walden.
- But Jim's right.
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He must be feigning,
surely? Or at the very least,
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- exaggerating his symptoms?
- To what end?
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The law does not concern itself
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with the present state of
mind of the criminal defendant,
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only with the state of mind
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at the time the crime was committed.
281
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And Spector's was clearly conveyed
282
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in his confession. He clearly understood
283
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the difference between right
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and wrong at the time of the crimes,
285
00:20:04,468 --> 00:20:06,605
and, therefore, he will
be held accountable.
286
00:20:07,254 --> 00:20:09,954
But it is founded on
memory-based evidence.
287
00:20:11,194 --> 00:20:13,730
And he's saying that he can't
remember any of the crimes.
288
00:20:13,742 --> 00:20:16,355
It poses all sorts of
problems for the courts.
289
00:20:16,866 --> 00:20:19,834
It's almost like he's
claiming that he's innocent.
290
00:20:20,234 --> 00:20:22,624
It seems there's more
than usual pressure
291
00:20:22,641 --> 00:20:24,954
to build the evidential
case against him.
292
00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:29,372
That's precisely what we're doing, sir.
293
00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:34,217
What will happen to him
if the defence does ask
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00:20:34,228 --> 00:20:35,715
for a mental health assessment?
295
00:20:35,765 --> 00:20:39,711
His potential dangerousness
suggests a forensic unit
296
00:20:39,933 --> 00:20:41,853
rather than a hospital ward.
297
00:20:41,914 --> 00:20:43,268
And where would that be?
298
00:20:43,388 --> 00:20:45,726
The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast.
299
00:20:45,846 --> 00:20:47,202
Who will assess him?
300
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August Larson.
301
00:20:49,565 --> 00:20:52,390
He's the Consultant
Forensic Psychiatrist.
302
00:20:52,424 --> 00:20:53,955
Very experienced,
303
00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:56,691
very used to giving
expert testimony in court.
304
00:20:58,455 --> 00:21:00,558
The sooner we get him out
of the hands of the medics,
305
00:21:00,586 --> 00:21:02,927
and back into the justice
system, the better.
306
00:21:19,276 --> 00:21:20,613
Thanks, Alison.
307
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,340
Kiera Sheridan. Mr
Spector's dedicated nurse.
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00:21:37,373 --> 00:21:39,055
She provides him with one-to-one care.
309
00:21:39,094 --> 00:21:40,448
She will limit your visit
310
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- if patient status warrants it.
- Thank you.
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She'll show you in.
312
00:21:51,954 --> 00:21:53,556
What about the wife?
313
00:21:54,849 --> 00:21:56,514
I'm worried about her.
314
00:21:57,606 --> 00:21:59,160
It's obviously been a
315
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,691
devastating blow to her
316
00:22:00,697 --> 00:22:02,969
as it would be to anyone
who seems to have had
317
00:22:03,089 --> 00:22:04,909
no real suspicions.
318
00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:07,539
But there's no possibility of her
319
00:22:07,795 --> 00:22:09,404
repeating the offence.
320
00:22:10,213 --> 00:22:11,850
She's admitted her guilt,
321
00:22:11,861 --> 00:22:13,634
she's corrected the facts.
322
00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:14,986
She might even end up being
323
00:22:15,003 --> 00:22:16,512
a witness for the prosecution.
324
00:22:18,271 --> 00:22:20,147
I think we should drop the charges.
325
00:22:20,267 --> 00:22:21,556
If she'd told the truth,
326
00:22:21,584 --> 00:22:24,081
in the first place, about
Spector's whereabouts,
327
00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:26,689
then we could have
investigated him more closely
328
00:22:27,205 --> 00:22:29,292
and, perhaps, Rose Stagg
would not have been put
329
00:22:29,292 --> 00:22:31,012
through the ordeal that she has.
330
00:22:33,232 --> 00:22:34,758
I just feel
331
00:22:35,174 --> 00:22:37,166
that pursuing her through the courts
332
00:22:37,183 --> 00:22:38,874
will likely have a very bad effect
333
00:22:38,897 --> 00:22:40,828
on her mental and physical health.
334
00:22:42,482 --> 00:22:44,158
Is prosecution
335
00:22:44,485 --> 00:22:46,616
really in the public interest?
336
00:22:46,816 --> 00:22:49,074
As Director of Public Prosecutions,
337
00:22:49,086 --> 00:22:50,795
I have to say, I think it is.
338
00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:53,354
How things will unfold
with Spector is unclear.
339
00:22:53,354 --> 00:22:56,211
Prosecuting his wife
sends a clear signal:
340
00:22:57,116 --> 00:22:58,426
we mean business
341
00:22:58,546 --> 00:23:01,129
and no-one involved will
be getting off lightly.
342
00:23:04,297 --> 00:23:06,462
Sally Ann Spector miscarried
343
00:23:06,473 --> 00:23:07,882
in police custody.
344
00:23:09,652 --> 00:23:12,399
That's a devastating thing
to happen to any woman,
345
00:23:13,148 --> 00:23:14,347
but particularly her.
346
00:23:14,358 --> 00:23:16,538
Her identity is wrapped up
347
00:23:16,555 --> 00:23:18,764
in her children and
those that she cares for.
348
00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:21,521
She's perceived as an angel
349
00:23:21,543 --> 00:23:23,019
by the parents of the babies
350
00:23:23,019 --> 00:23:24,989
she looks after in the NICU.
351
00:23:25,461 --> 00:23:27,098
Now, it appears as if
352
00:23:27,281 --> 00:23:29,544
she's lost everything, her marriage, her
353
00:23:30,193 --> 00:23:32,474
work, her unborn child.
354
00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:37,417
She's paid a very high
price for her naivety.
355
00:23:37,473 --> 00:23:39,314
I can't believe that, of all people,
356
00:23:39,332 --> 00:23:42,928
you are suggesting that we treat
Sally Ann paternalistically.
357
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:46,985
I say we move ahead with the charges
358
00:23:47,285 --> 00:23:49,788
and we can use them as
leverage against Spector.
359
00:23:49,849 --> 00:23:51,686
I do think we need to bear in mind
360
00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:54,077
the seriousness of the offence.
361
00:23:57,707 --> 00:23:59,466
We accepted instructions
362
00:23:59,516 --> 00:24:00,952
on your behalf from your wife
363
00:24:00,954 --> 00:24:02,401
when you were unconscious.
364
00:24:02,467 --> 00:24:05,619
Today is an opportunity
for you to say if you are
365
00:24:05,739 --> 00:24:07,891
happy for us to be representing you.
366
00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:10,682
I believe that the nature
367
00:24:10,754 --> 00:24:13,051
of your injuries has
been explained to you?
368
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,022
Yes.
369
00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:17,702
And you understand that
you were in police custody
370
00:24:17,708 --> 00:24:18,940
when you were shot?
371
00:24:19,522 --> 00:24:21,794
Yes, but I still don't know why.
372
00:24:21,814 --> 00:24:23,314
No-one will tell me.
373
00:24:25,383 --> 00:24:27,502
An individual called James Tyler
374
00:24:27,508 --> 00:24:28,734
was responsible.
375
00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:37,890
I don't know who that is.
376
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:40,587
Why did he shoot me?
377
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:42,646
I need to get more
information from the police
378
00:24:42,651 --> 00:24:44,050
before I can explain that.
379
00:24:44,955 --> 00:24:47,274
The more pressing issue, Mr Spector,
380
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,727
is that the police have charged you
381
00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:52,135
with a number of very
serious crimes. I mean,
382
00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:55,114
the most serious crimes
on the Statute Book.
383
00:24:56,469 --> 00:24:57,762
What crimes?
384
00:24:57,882 --> 00:24:59,194
A series of murders.
385
00:25:05,148 --> 00:25:06,596
What sort of murders?
386
00:25:07,407 --> 00:25:09,016
With your permission,
387
00:25:09,136 --> 00:25:11,430
let me take you through
the police charge sheet.
388
00:25:13,561 --> 00:25:15,937
All the, er... alleged crimes
389
00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:17,524
took place in Belfast.
390
00:25:19,305 --> 00:25:22,801
The police claim that on the
10th day of December, 2011,
391
00:25:22,834 --> 00:25:25,314
you murdered University
lecturer Fiona Gallagher
392
00:25:25,342 --> 00:25:27,867
in her home before fleeing the scene.
393
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,358
Death by strangulation.
394
00:25:31,718 --> 00:25:36,024
That on the 15th of March, 2012,
395
00:25:36,551 --> 00:25:40,003
you murdered architect
Alice Monroe in her home,
396
00:25:40,194 --> 00:25:41,835
strangling her with a ligature.
397
00:25:43,228 --> 00:25:46,297
They allege that you then
washed and dried her body,
398
00:25:46,641 --> 00:25:48,516
before putting her back to bed
399
00:25:48,738 --> 00:25:50,314
and posing her body.
400
00:25:50,874 --> 00:25:54,786
That on the 16th of April, 2012,
401
00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:58,266
you murdered solicitor
Sarah Kay in her home,
402
00:25:58,305 --> 00:26:00,074
strangling her with a ligature.
403
00:26:01,845 --> 00:26:04,792
They allege that you washed
404
00:26:04,842 --> 00:26:06,914
and dried Sarah's body,
405
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,308
washed and dried her bedclothes...
406
00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:13,136
... painted her finger nails red,
407
00:26:13,175 --> 00:26:15,272
before posing her in her bed
408
00:26:15,392 --> 00:26:16,893
and taking photographs.
409
00:26:18,074 --> 00:26:21,049
Sarah Kay was pregnant
at the time of her death.
410
00:26:24,074 --> 00:26:25,700
That four days later,
411
00:26:25,766 --> 00:26:28,380
on the 20th of April, 2012...
412
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:32,292
... you attacked and strangled
413
00:26:32,364 --> 00:26:35,194
accountant Annie Brawley in her home.
414
00:26:37,834 --> 00:26:40,034
They claim that you...
415
00:26:40,154 --> 00:26:42,829
also murdered her brother Joseph Brawley
416
00:26:43,154 --> 00:26:45,032
when he tried to defend his sister,
417
00:26:45,314 --> 00:26:46,935
stabbing him three times
418
00:26:46,962 --> 00:26:49,387
with some decorating shears.
419
00:26:49,648 --> 00:26:51,357
You, then, fled the scene.
420
00:26:51,895 --> 00:26:54,442
Annie Brawley survived the attack.
421
00:26:59,037 --> 00:27:01,051
I don't recognise any of these people.
422
00:27:01,684 --> 00:27:03,671
I've never seen these people before.
423
00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:05,954
There's more.
424
00:27:07,677 --> 00:27:10,314
They allege that on May the 3rd,
425
00:27:10,619 --> 00:27:13,771
you abducted Rose Stagg from her home,
426
00:27:14,864 --> 00:27:17,022
imprisoned her unlawfully
427
00:27:17,142 --> 00:27:19,203
and detained her against her will.
428
00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:26,914
I know her.
429
00:27:29,674 --> 00:27:32,789
- Rose what, who did you say?
- Stagg.
430
00:27:33,588 --> 00:27:36,568
Perhaps you know Mrs Stagg
better as Rose McGill?
431
00:27:39,448 --> 00:27:40,713
Yes.
432
00:27:43,154 --> 00:27:45,085
But I haven't seen her
433
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:47,150
in the last four years or so.
434
00:27:48,221 --> 00:27:50,402
When did you last see her, do you think?
435
00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:54,669
Early summer.
436
00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:56,794
2002.
437
00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:01,154
2002 is ten years ago, not four.
438
00:28:01,622 --> 00:28:04,286
Have you been listening
to the charges, Mr Spector?
439
00:28:04,634 --> 00:28:06,074
It's May 2012.
440
00:28:10,074 --> 00:28:11,074
I'm sorry.
441
00:28:12,394 --> 00:28:13,597
I'm sorry.
442
00:28:17,376 --> 00:28:18,914
What happened to Rose?
443
00:28:20,274 --> 00:28:21,514
She's alive.
444
00:28:23,175 --> 00:28:25,240
The police say you led them to her.
445
00:28:26,072 --> 00:28:28,103
She was found in the
boot of her own car.
446
00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:30,983
The police suggest you left her trapped.
447
00:28:31,316 --> 00:28:32,853
Left her to die.
448
00:28:38,514 --> 00:28:40,274
Why would I do that to Rose?
449
00:29:05,314 --> 00:29:07,464
The police say they have a confession.
450
00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:10,094
That you made a number of admissions.
451
00:29:12,242 --> 00:29:13,554
I've, um...
452
00:29:13,554 --> 00:29:14,988
no memory of that.
453
00:29:15,434 --> 00:29:17,685
We think it makes sense for
your first appearance in court
454
00:29:17,701 --> 00:29:18,756
to be as soon as possible
455
00:29:18,795 --> 00:29:21,608
because it will initiate the
evidential disclosure process.
456
00:29:21,914 --> 00:29:23,455
Will you be strong enough?
457
00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:27,051
Once we are in receipt
of those documents,
458
00:29:27,062 --> 00:29:28,994
we will look at the
detail of that confession
459
00:29:29,114 --> 00:29:31,739
and take you through every
bit of evidence against you,
460
00:29:31,859 --> 00:29:33,082
every witness statement,
461
00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:35,074
page by page, line by line.
462
00:29:36,328 --> 00:29:37,588
Is that all clear?
463
00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:42,110
Yes.
464
00:29:42,837 --> 00:29:44,074
Any questions?
465
00:29:50,451 --> 00:29:52,674
I just need some time
for it all to sink in.
466
00:29:53,031 --> 00:29:54,235
Of course.
467
00:29:57,274 --> 00:29:59,074
Do you know who that is?
468
00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:05,274
No.
469
00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:07,708
Should I?
470
00:30:07,947 --> 00:30:10,782
If any memories relevant
to the case return to you,
471
00:30:10,854 --> 00:30:12,885
please contact Louise here.
472
00:30:15,155 --> 00:30:17,253
We're here to help you, Mr Spector.
473
00:30:18,679 --> 00:30:20,660
We will guide you through this.
474
00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:22,608
Thank you.
475
00:31:12,754 --> 00:31:15,225
Sorry, ma'am. Rose
Stagg is here to see you.
476
00:31:17,872 --> 00:31:19,731
Set up an interview room, Dani.
477
00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:21,651
I'd like you to sit in.
478
00:31:22,428 --> 00:31:23,714
Of course.
479
00:31:30,074 --> 00:31:32,384
I woke to find him in bed with me.
480
00:31:37,434 --> 00:31:39,081
He took me downstairs,
481
00:31:39,386 --> 00:31:41,090
his hand over my mouth,
482
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,271
took me into the kitchen.
483
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,272
Go on.
484
00:31:49,087 --> 00:31:50,979
He used my name.
485
00:31:52,073 --> 00:31:53,674
He called me Rose.
486
00:31:59,634 --> 00:32:02,211
I thought, perhaps, I
recognised the voice.
487
00:32:05,646 --> 00:32:08,834
He said he didn't want to
hurt me or my lovely family...
488
00:32:10,198 --> 00:32:12,162
... but that he would if I cried out.
489
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,700
And then he released me.
490
00:32:21,213 --> 00:32:24,154
And when I turned
round, I recognised him.
491
00:32:27,983 --> 00:32:29,994
What did you think in that moment?
492
00:32:35,575 --> 00:32:36,994
Just for a moment...
493
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,681
... I thought that maybe
it would be all right.
494
00:32:41,924 --> 00:32:43,883
That maybe it was a joke,
495
00:32:44,632 --> 00:32:45,958
a game.
496
00:33:00,259 --> 00:33:01,668
What did you say?
497
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:06,563
I just said, "Peter?"
498
00:33:14,193 --> 00:33:15,359
He...
499
00:33:15,554 --> 00:33:17,190
made me dress from clothes
500
00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,110
that were hanging in the utility room.
501
00:33:20,994 --> 00:33:22,473
He made me write a note.
502
00:33:22,534 --> 00:33:24,249
He told me what to put.
503
00:33:27,257 --> 00:33:29,314
The house seemed so silent.
504
00:33:31,714 --> 00:33:34,088
The sound of the pen on the paper
505
00:33:34,099 --> 00:33:36,313
seemed really loud in my head.
506
00:33:37,334 --> 00:33:38,794
Like a whooshing.
507
00:33:41,412 --> 00:33:44,248
All I could think about was
getting him out of there,
508
00:33:44,368 --> 00:33:46,114
away from Nancy.
509
00:33:48,275 --> 00:33:49,914
Did you resist him at all?
510
00:33:52,914 --> 00:33:54,754
Er... I was numb.
511
00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,114
I didn't really struggle
512
00:33:59,153 --> 00:34:02,194
until he was walking me
towards that awful building.
513
00:34:06,122 --> 00:34:08,475
I thought, "If he takes me in there...
514
00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:12,215
... I'm gonna die.
515
00:34:15,128 --> 00:34:17,114
I'm going to be the next victim."
516
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:21,494
That's when I tried to run.
517
00:34:24,634 --> 00:34:26,366
But he was too strong.
518
00:34:34,963 --> 00:34:36,644
He made tapes of you.
519
00:34:38,348 --> 00:34:41,466
We found edited versions
of those tapes on his phone.
520
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:45,895
You've seen them?
521
00:34:53,412 --> 00:34:55,681
He tied me to a chair.
522
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,394
It was fixed to the ground.
523
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:01,769
And he sat behind the camera,
524
00:35:01,775 --> 00:35:03,362
so that when I looked at him,
525
00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:06,234
I was looking directly into the lens.
526
00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:10,531
He hardly spoke, he...
527
00:35:11,994 --> 00:35:13,544
He just stared at me.
528
00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:22,434
I tried everything I could
to get through to him.
529
00:35:23,683 --> 00:35:26,873
I begged him, I flattered him,
530
00:35:26,993 --> 00:35:29,764
I insulted him. I tried
to provoke him, even.
531
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,074
He didn't respond.
532
00:35:36,118 --> 00:35:37,328
His eyes were open,
533
00:35:37,334 --> 00:35:39,270
but it was like he was in a trance.
534
00:35:40,985 --> 00:35:42,910
Did he sexually assault you?
535
00:35:45,474 --> 00:35:46,474
No.
536
00:35:47,455 --> 00:35:48,854
I don't think so.
537
00:35:51,184 --> 00:35:53,559
Did he perform sex acts on himself?
538
00:35:54,181 --> 00:35:55,834
Did he masturbate in front of you?
539
00:35:56,712 --> 00:35:58,693
No. Just the filming.
540
00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:06,752
Are those healing all right?
541
00:36:10,127 --> 00:36:12,034
I'm told I did it to myself.
542
00:36:14,394 --> 00:36:16,213
I have no memory of that.
543
00:36:17,034 --> 00:36:20,325
We found the broken lens
from a pair of sunglasses
544
00:36:20,354 --> 00:36:21,945
in the boot of your car.
545
00:36:22,284 --> 00:36:23,616
Your blood was on them.
546
00:36:23,638 --> 00:36:25,137
There were no other fingerprints.
547
00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,274
I can't work out if it's just marks...
548
00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:35,736
... or if it's a message.
549
00:36:37,784 --> 00:36:39,474
When I first saw it...
550
00:36:40,647 --> 00:36:42,745
... it looked like an attempt to write
551
00:36:43,478 --> 00:36:44,737
"I love you".
552
00:36:54,959 --> 00:36:56,394
Breathe.
553
00:37:06,754 --> 00:37:09,239
I always thought that I wanted...
554
00:37:10,737 --> 00:37:12,906
... love and security.
555
00:37:14,714 --> 00:37:16,342
Now I just
556
00:37:16,975 --> 00:37:19,234
feel like I'm floating free...
557
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,634
... in a void.
558
00:37:27,029 --> 00:37:28,661
Oh...
559
00:37:32,118 --> 00:37:34,959
You have such a strong sense of purpose.
560
00:37:36,994 --> 00:37:38,350
I feel like...
561
00:37:38,914 --> 00:37:41,794
there's nothing beneath
my feet right now, like...
562
00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:45,274
... nothing to steady them.
563
00:37:49,825 --> 00:37:52,338
It's as if I'm slightly drunk... !
564
00:37:53,274 --> 00:37:55,462
Rose. Rose...
565
00:37:58,003 --> 00:37:59,318
Remember...
566
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,874
... you survived.
567
00:38:05,714 --> 00:38:07,314
You got through it.
568
00:38:09,994 --> 00:38:11,554
It's in the past.
569
00:38:27,577 --> 00:38:30,906
Paul Spector, a 32-year-old
bereavement counsellor
570
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:34,354
from South Belfast charged
with four counts of murder
571
00:38:34,386 --> 00:38:37,471
is due to make his first
appearance in court today.
572
00:38:37,674 --> 00:38:39,141
The four female victims,
573
00:38:39,163 --> 00:38:41,633
all young professional
women in their 30s,
574
00:38:41,753 --> 00:38:44,069
were attacked in their homes at night.
575
00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:48,186
Three of those women died of
manual or ligature strangulation.
576
00:38:48,985 --> 00:38:51,514
Spector, a married man
and a father of two,
577
00:38:51,526 --> 00:38:55,554
is also charged with the attempted
murder of accountant Annie Brawley
578
00:38:55,674 --> 00:38:58,124
and the abduction and
unlawful imprisonment
579
00:38:58,244 --> 00:39:00,874
of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg...
580
00:39:31,828 --> 00:39:34,114
I worry this is all too soon for you.
581
00:39:35,685 --> 00:39:37,051
I'll be fine.
582
00:39:59,872 --> 00:40:01,239
Are you getting this?
583
00:40:01,872 --> 00:40:03,237
The victims' families...
584
00:40:03,274 --> 00:40:04,834
Detective Superintendent Gibson!
585
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,289
The man you have in custody,
586
00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:07,943
- will he be appearing in court today?
- Will you be making a statement
587
00:40:07,954 --> 00:40:09,120
any time soon?
588
00:40:09,697 --> 00:40:12,821
Chief Superintendent, is Spector
appearing in person today?
589
00:40:12,874 --> 00:40:14,342
Give us an update on the condition
590
00:40:14,347 --> 00:40:15,768
of Rose Stagg...
591
00:40:36,918 --> 00:40:38,394
Are you ready for this?
592
00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:39,994
I'm a bit nervous, but, yeah.
593
00:40:40,619 --> 00:40:42,434
Yeah, shall we head up, then?
594
00:40:42,850 --> 00:40:45,147
- How are you?
- Not too bad...
595
00:41:20,175 --> 00:41:21,396
Stand there.
596
00:41:32,028 --> 00:41:33,737
Look straight into that camera.
597
00:41:33,787 --> 00:41:36,866
You will be able to see the
judge and the legal teams.
598
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:38,587
Answer any questions clearly.
599
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,807
The prosecution has suggested
600
00:41:59,813 --> 00:42:01,616
we read the shortened
version of the charge.
601
00:42:01,638 --> 00:42:03,880
- Are you happy enough with that?
- Yeah, that's fine.
602
00:42:09,114 --> 00:42:10,554
All rise.
603
00:42:16,994 --> 00:42:18,974
Thank you. Please sit.
604
00:42:24,252 --> 00:42:25,994
Are you ready to proceed, ma'am?
605
00:42:27,954 --> 00:42:29,185
I am.
606
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:36,444
Mr Spector, can you see
and hear the proceedings?
607
00:42:36,682 --> 00:42:38,064
Yes.
608
00:42:38,658 --> 00:42:40,567
The charges against the accused
609
00:42:40,595 --> 00:42:42,714
are stated as four counts of murder,
610
00:42:43,136 --> 00:42:44,878
one of attempted murder
611
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,374
and one of abduction and
unlawful imprisonment.
612
00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:50,122
Can you confirm for the court
613
00:42:50,122 --> 00:42:51,886
that you are Peter Paul Spector?
614
00:42:52,846 --> 00:42:54,110
Yes.
615
00:42:54,138 --> 00:42:57,794
That your date of birth
is the 25th May, 1979.
616
00:42:57,914 --> 00:42:59,314
That's correct.
617
00:42:59,692 --> 00:43:03,316
And that you live at 64,
Tiberias Drive, Belfast,
618
00:43:03,338 --> 00:43:05,794
BT6 7KM?
619
00:43:06,607 --> 00:43:07,954
So I've been told.
620
00:43:12,445 --> 00:43:14,434
Why is he answering in that manner?
621
00:43:14,748 --> 00:43:16,573
Ma'am, if I may.
622
00:43:17,245 --> 00:43:19,598
My client has to answer in that manner
623
00:43:19,615 --> 00:43:21,954
because he has suffered
significant memory loss.
624
00:43:22,212 --> 00:43:23,527
As you no doubt know,
625
00:43:23,555 --> 00:43:26,679
Mr Spector was shot
while in police custody.
626
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:30,808
He lost his spleen as a result
and was in a coma for some time.
627
00:43:30,928 --> 00:43:33,078
The reason he is appearing from hospital
628
00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:35,780
is that he is still being
held there in intensive care.
629
00:43:36,194 --> 00:43:37,673
I have written reports
630
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,264
from the ICU Consultant, Dr Spencer,
631
00:43:40,274 --> 00:43:44,327
and from the Consultant
Neuropsychologist Dr Alison Walden,
632
00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:46,402
that explain the nature and degree
633
00:43:46,407 --> 00:43:48,855
of my client's disability.
634
00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,818
Dr Walden is approved under Part
635
00:43:51,824 --> 00:43:54,434
of the Mental Health Order 1986.
636
00:43:54,554 --> 00:43:55,992
There's information there about
637
00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,250
the treatment Mr Spector has undergone
638
00:43:58,261 --> 00:44:01,594
and an account of his
behaviour in hospital.
639
00:44:01,641 --> 00:44:03,234
The memory loss, you will see,
640
00:44:03,234 --> 00:44:05,409
covers a period of
approximately six years
641
00:44:05,442 --> 00:44:06,807
up to and including
642
00:44:06,927 --> 00:44:08,889
the recent shooting.
643
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:12,862
One of the primary
foundations of criminal law
644
00:44:12,895 --> 00:44:14,737
is that all defendants
645
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,560
are capable of actively
participating in their defence.
646
00:44:18,988 --> 00:44:22,739
Mr Spector's amnesia
prevents him from so doing.
647
00:44:23,699 --> 00:44:26,684
Whilst Mr Spector understands
that he is in court
648
00:44:26,714 --> 00:44:29,164
and charged with a number
of criminal offences
649
00:44:29,203 --> 00:44:31,317
and understands the nature and object
650
00:44:31,437 --> 00:44:33,515
and the possible consequences
of the proceedings,
651
00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:35,394
he cannot enter a plea,
652
00:44:35,606 --> 00:44:38,215
he cannot consult with
or assist his lawyer,
653
00:44:38,414 --> 00:44:40,754
he cannot give evidence
in his own defence.
654
00:44:40,754 --> 00:44:44,064
On that basis, I feel I need
to raise the issue of competence
655
00:44:44,184 --> 00:44:47,409
as to whether Mr Spector
is fit to stand trial.
656
00:44:47,426 --> 00:44:49,301
Mr Healy, let me stop you there.
657
00:44:49,346 --> 00:44:52,198
The concerns you have raised are noted,
658
00:44:52,497 --> 00:44:53,957
but you know as well as I do
659
00:44:53,967 --> 00:44:56,697
that it's not a matter on
which this court can adjudicate.
660
00:45:00,994 --> 00:45:02,226
Mr Spector,
661
00:45:02,498 --> 00:45:04,839
do you understand that your case
662
00:45:04,856 --> 00:45:06,904
must be sent to Crown Court?
663
00:45:07,708 --> 00:45:08,885
Yes.
664
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:12,553
Then you will be held
on remand in hospital
665
00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:14,367
until arrangements can be made
666
00:45:14,384 --> 00:45:17,874
to transfer you to a
secure psychiatric clinic
667
00:45:18,118 --> 00:45:20,354
where more tests can be done
668
00:45:20,382 --> 00:45:23,690
to determine the nature
of your mental disability.
669
00:45:43,445 --> 00:45:45,326
That's the guy who's
defending the murderer!
670
00:45:45,343 --> 00:45:48,162
Mr Healy, how does it feel to be
defending the Belfast Strangler?
671
00:45:48,173 --> 00:45:50,904
The ALLEGED Belfast Strangler.
672
00:45:55,396 --> 00:45:58,194
Dressed in a blue sweatshirt
and tracksuit bottoms,
673
00:45:58,194 --> 00:46:00,182
Mr Spector spoke only
to confirm his name
674
00:46:00,193 --> 00:46:02,429
and date of birth during
the ten-minute hearing,
675
00:46:02,549 --> 00:46:04,834
at that point proceedings
took a bizarre twist
676
00:46:04,834 --> 00:46:07,352
as it became apparent that
the alleged serial killer
677
00:46:07,396 --> 00:46:09,827
is suffering from
significant memory loss.
678
00:46:10,216 --> 00:46:13,179
Mr Spector was remanded in
custody to undergo further medical
679
00:46:13,223 --> 00:46:14,794
and psychiatric assessment.
680
00:46:14,794 --> 00:46:17,618
Following the hearing, the
public prosecution service
681
00:46:17,618 --> 00:46:19,554
confirmed that Sally Ann Spector
682
00:46:19,554 --> 00:46:22,806
will appear in the Crown
Court on Monday 2nd July
683
00:46:22,926 --> 00:46:25,259
to face charges of perverting
the course of justice.
684
00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:27,807
The prosecution claims
that Mr Spector's wife,
685
00:46:27,851 --> 00:46:30,354
provided her husband with false alibis.
686
00:46:50,434 --> 00:46:51,625
Gibson?
687
00:46:51,936 --> 00:46:53,895
Superintendent Gibson?
688
00:46:54,674 --> 00:46:55,962
Yes.
689
00:46:56,167 --> 00:46:58,071
I'm August Larson.
690
00:46:58,925 --> 00:47:00,757
I'm the consultant psychiatrist
691
00:47:00,773 --> 00:47:03,114
who has been asked to
assess Paul Spector.
692
00:47:05,828 --> 00:47:08,303
It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor.
693
00:47:10,673 --> 00:47:12,354
Are you still working?
694
00:47:13,126 --> 00:47:14,425
Yes.
695
00:47:14,608 --> 00:47:16,114
Well, there you are.
696
00:47:17,421 --> 00:47:19,480
Before he's moved here,
697
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:21,989
I need to determine the risk of violence
698
00:47:21,995 --> 00:47:23,892
towards himself and others
699
00:47:24,219 --> 00:47:25,912
and plan his management.
700
00:47:27,389 --> 00:47:30,280
Have you seen the list of
crimes he's been charged with?
701
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,569
I received that information
from the court, yes.
702
00:47:37,899 --> 00:47:39,531
In my experience,
703
00:47:39,603 --> 00:47:43,077
a history of previous violence
is the best predictor for
704
00:47:43,155 --> 00:47:45,524
future violence for
someone whether they are
705
00:47:45,579 --> 00:47:47,716
mentally disordered or not.
706
00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,208
And Paul Spector
707
00:47:50,596 --> 00:47:53,237
is a violent sexual sadist.
708
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,274
Why are you so kind to me?
709
00:48:06,154 --> 00:48:07,909
If I've done the things that the...
710
00:48:08,725 --> 00:48:11,289
police say I've done,
then I'm a monster.
711
00:48:13,203 --> 00:48:14,674
It's my job.
712
00:48:20,817 --> 00:48:21,954
What?
713
00:48:25,211 --> 00:48:27,054
It says in your notes
that there were tears
714
00:48:27,087 --> 00:48:28,954
in your eyes during your surgery.
715
00:48:29,878 --> 00:48:31,371
That you were crying.
716
00:48:35,674 --> 00:48:37,074
Was I?
717
00:48:39,862 --> 00:48:41,787
Does that mean anything to you?
718
00:48:46,527 --> 00:48:47,674
Perhaps...
719
00:48:49,794 --> 00:48:51,034
I just...
720
00:48:51,916 --> 00:48:54,757
- ... can't believe the memory loss is real.
- _
721
00:48:56,372 --> 00:48:58,675
He's just the sort of
person who would feign
722
00:48:59,205 --> 00:49:02,104
amnesia if he felt that there was
something to be gained from it.
723
00:49:02,425 --> 00:49:05,251
Even just for the sheer
delight of duping people,
724
00:49:05,772 --> 00:49:08,241
particularly experts.
725
00:49:08,968 --> 00:49:11,232
Someone like me, for example?
726
00:49:11,994 --> 00:49:13,463
I'm just saying that,
727
00:49:13,497 --> 00:49:15,012
from my conversations with him,
728
00:49:15,045 --> 00:49:17,752
it seems to me that he
exhibits, if anything, a
729
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:20,815
superior memory for his violence.
730
00:49:21,431 --> 00:49:23,213
It's clear to me
731
00:49:23,447 --> 00:49:27,159
that he rehearsed the crimes
in his mind over and over.
732
00:49:27,924 --> 00:49:30,150
They were heavily scripted.
733
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:33,812
And so, the crimes
themselves were memorable
734
00:49:33,932 --> 00:49:36,554
both in the way that
they match the script
735
00:49:36,576 --> 00:49:38,554
and in the way that they differ.
736
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:42,074
So, in my view, it's...
737
00:49:43,013 --> 00:49:45,674
... extremely unlikely that he has...
738
00:49:45,898 --> 00:49:47,574
forgotten anything.
739
00:49:47,754 --> 00:49:49,472
Faced with memory loss,
740
00:49:49,516 --> 00:49:52,474
there is only one way a clinician can go
741
00:49:52,713 --> 00:49:54,594
and that is to investigate.
742
00:49:56,337 --> 00:49:58,154
If we take him here,
743
00:49:58,154 --> 00:50:00,605
then that is what I intend to do.
744
00:50:01,281 --> 00:50:02,419
If you have the time,
745
00:50:02,434 --> 00:50:05,271
I'd really appreciate
getting a premorbid appraisal
746
00:50:05,314 --> 00:50:06,836
of Mr Spector from you.
747
00:50:06,875 --> 00:50:10,543
As someone who has had
extensive dealings with him.
748
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:13,556
Anything at all you
can tell me about him
749
00:50:13,561 --> 00:50:15,703
would be extremely useful.
750
00:50:18,691 --> 00:50:20,514
I'll help in any way I can.
751
00:50:21,881 --> 00:50:23,257
Thank you.
752
00:50:24,045 --> 00:50:25,560
Good night.
753
00:50:27,241 --> 00:50:28,629
Good night.
754
00:50:41,637 --> 00:50:43,385
Everything went dark.
755
00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:47,208
And did time seem to
speed up or slow down?
756
00:50:49,366 --> 00:50:50,681
It sped up.
757
00:50:52,554 --> 00:50:54,993
I was rushing through a tunnel.
758
00:50:56,725 --> 00:51:00,476
And did you see or feel
surrounded by a brilliant light?
759
00:51:01,613 --> 00:51:02,828
There was a light.
760
00:51:02,856 --> 00:51:04,188
Can you describe it?
761
00:51:07,018 --> 00:51:08,544
Incredibly bright.
762
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:10,669
- Blinding.
- And hot?
763
00:51:11,612 --> 00:51:13,314
No, not hot.
764
00:51:15,314 --> 00:51:16,955
Did you come to a border or a
765
00:51:16,961 --> 00:51:18,503
point of no return?
766
00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:24,107
There was a point. Um...
767
00:51:24,462 --> 00:51:26,194
I felt I could have gone on.
768
00:51:27,347 --> 00:51:30,249
But there were voices calling me back.
769
00:51:30,671 --> 00:51:32,034
What voices?
770
00:51:33,154 --> 00:51:34,411
My daughter.
771
00:51:34,944 --> 00:51:36,203
Olivia.
772
00:52:03,937 --> 00:52:06,600
And was there anyone
else there known to you,
773
00:52:07,105 --> 00:52:08,394
living or dead?
774
00:52:10,234 --> 00:52:11,434
Yes.
775
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:13,221
Who?
776
00:52:18,234 --> 00:52:19,634
I think my mother.
777
00:52:21,484 --> 00:52:22,874
And what happened?
778
00:52:25,163 --> 00:52:27,455
How did you feel in her presence?
779
00:52:35,701 --> 00:52:37,034
Afraid.
780
00:52:38,471 --> 00:52:40,058
Did she speak to you?
781
00:52:43,687 --> 00:52:45,091
She was calling me.
782
00:52:45,801 --> 00:52:47,205
I think she wanted me to
783
00:52:47,721 --> 00:52:49,136
come to her.
784
00:52:49,736 --> 00:52:51,156
Towards the light.
785
00:52:52,638 --> 00:52:54,453
But there was other voices.
786
00:52:55,234 --> 00:52:57,154
My daughter calling me back.
787
00:53:00,763 --> 00:53:02,355
And did you want to come back
788
00:53:02,372 --> 00:53:03,549
to your body?
789
00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:05,430
Come back to life?
790
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:11,474
No.
791
00:53:14,054 --> 00:53:16,229
But I couldn't just abandon her.
792
00:53:18,249 --> 00:53:19,794
Is that when you cried?
793
00:53:25,194 --> 00:53:26,474
Hey.
794
00:53:35,986 --> 00:53:37,339
Drink it all up.
795
00:53:42,634 --> 00:53:43,888
Good girl.
796
00:54:20,659 --> 00:54:22,594
You came close with dying.
797
00:54:25,181 --> 00:54:27,922
What do you now understand death to be?
798
00:54:28,111 --> 00:54:30,159
What does death mean to you now?
799
00:54:33,889 --> 00:54:35,443
I know that life
800
00:54:35,781 --> 00:54:37,718
is our only true possession.
801
00:54:39,994 --> 00:54:41,234
And death?
802
00:54:50,439 --> 00:54:52,553
I've found a murder
that looks promising.
803
00:54:52,758 --> 00:54:54,923
Really? The right initials?
804
00:54:54,934 --> 00:54:56,593
That's not the connection.
805
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:59,257
A law student. Susan Harper.
806
00:54:59,707 --> 00:55:01,532
Do you think she looks right?
807
00:55:02,454 --> 00:55:03,968
Yes, absolutely.
808
00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:05,955
- Just a bit younger.
- 21.
809
00:55:06,075 --> 00:55:08,997
The only problem is there
is someone doing time for it.
810
00:55:09,418 --> 00:55:11,776
It's an individual called David Alvarez.
811
00:55:11,804 --> 00:55:14,539
I remembered I saw his name yesterday
812
00:55:14,556 --> 00:55:16,502
on the list of children
who were in Gortnacull
813
00:55:16,504 --> 00:55:17,969
at the same time as Spector.
814
00:55:18,089 --> 00:55:19,554
So, I've done some digging.
815
00:55:19,783 --> 00:55:21,348
And they are one and the same.
816
00:55:22,274 --> 00:55:24,717
The David Alvarez who's
doing time for the murder
817
00:55:24,761 --> 00:55:26,092
is the same David Alvarez
818
00:55:26,115 --> 00:55:28,112
who was a fellow pupil
of Spector's at the home.
819
00:55:28,956 --> 00:55:30,714
Why was Alvarez convicted?
820
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,514
His DNA on her body.
821
00:55:33,878 --> 00:55:35,742
A subsequent confession.
822
00:55:36,036 --> 00:55:37,754
That's pretty conclusive.
823
00:55:39,154 --> 00:55:40,554
What year is this?
824
00:55:41,026 --> 00:55:43,401
August 2002.
825
00:55:44,894 --> 00:55:46,194
In London.
826
00:55:47,714 --> 00:55:50,359
Now, there's a gap in
Spector's time-line.
827
00:55:51,564 --> 00:55:53,328
We don't know where he was
828
00:55:53,605 --> 00:55:55,203
or what he was doing.
829
00:55:56,602 --> 00:55:58,672
No, we don't.
830
00:57:25,444 --> 00:57:27,036
I'll see you in the morning.
831
00:57:27,668 --> 00:57:29,074
Try and get some sleep.
832
00:57:39,354 --> 00:57:40,734
I'll pray for you.
58115
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