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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,333 --> 00:00:09,573 (clicking) 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,670 (jingling) 3 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:19,670 He doesn't like to admit he's hurting. 4 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:22,673 I want to see him succeed. 5 00:00:22,733 --> 00:00:26,073 I want to see him pull through this, get back on his feet. 6 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:28,303 What are the obstacles to that happening? 7 00:00:30,233 --> 00:00:33,473 Karla: He's had emotional outbursts. 8 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:36,133 Impulse control problems, 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,570 depression, 10 00:00:37,633 --> 00:00:39,133 -threats of violence. -Oh... 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,570 God, Karla, come on. 12 00:00:40,633 --> 00:00:42,373 The facts are the facts. 13 00:00:44,066 --> 00:00:48,366 There was one significant physical altercation. 14 00:00:48,433 --> 00:00:50,203 Do you want to tell her about that? 15 00:00:53,266 --> 00:00:54,726 That's okay. 16 00:00:55,766 --> 00:00:58,366 What we need to know is, what now? 17 00:00:58,433 --> 00:00:59,773 Is he a danger to himself? 18 00:01:00,033 --> 00:01:02,173 Can he be left to care for himself or... 19 00:01:02,233 --> 00:01:03,733 does he need additional assistance? 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,130 And it's four sessions. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,070 Karla: Court-mandated four sessions. 22 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:09,703 One of several conditions of Colin's release. 23 00:01:09,766 --> 00:01:12,996 If he fails to meet any of the requirements of his probation, 24 00:01:13,066 --> 00:01:14,496 your sign-off included, 25 00:01:14,566 --> 00:01:16,666 it would be revoked. 26 00:01:18,566 --> 00:01:21,366 But we're not gonna let that happen, right? 27 00:01:24,633 --> 00:01:25,673 (sighs) 28 00:01:25,733 --> 00:01:27,673 Here is the proof of vaccination paperwork 29 00:01:27,733 --> 00:01:29,333 -that you requested. -Brooke: Mm. 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,570 I'll be checking in each week to see how everything's going, 31 00:01:32,633 --> 00:01:35,403 but Colin is incentivized to apply himself, so... 32 00:01:36,333 --> 00:01:38,533 fingers crossed, yeah? 33 00:01:40,066 --> 00:01:42,726 -Every day, it's stacks of cases. -Hm. 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Completely crazy. All these extra people, 35 00:01:44,666 --> 00:01:47,366 -but they don't hire any more of us. -(chuckles) 36 00:01:47,433 --> 00:01:49,773 That's life, I guess. 37 00:01:50,033 --> 00:01:52,233 Well, call me when you're done. 38 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:54,470 We'll see each other tomorrow morning. 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,730 Bye. 40 00:02:00,533 --> 00:02:02,003 (door opens) 41 00:02:03,466 --> 00:02:04,766 (door shuts) 42 00:02:07,266 --> 00:02:08,766 (Colin sighs) 43 00:02:15,633 --> 00:02:18,673 (light theme playing) 44 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:21,003 ♪ 45 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:45,403 I'm happy to be here. 46 00:02:45,466 --> 00:02:48,096 Happy to be out. 47 00:02:48,166 --> 00:02:51,326 Thank God for COVID, right? (chuckles) 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,330 Not really, of course. 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,600 And, you know, I didn't kill anybody or anything. 50 00:02:59,666 --> 00:03:01,366 Anyway... 51 00:03:02,233 --> 00:03:03,633 Basically, 52 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,000 I just wanna get back on the right track. 53 00:03:06,066 --> 00:03:08,326 Figure my life out 'cause I, uh, 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,170 -if you'll excuse my language... -No, go ahead. 55 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:13,173 I fucked it up. 56 00:03:13,233 --> 00:03:14,373 (chuckles wryly) 57 00:03:14,433 --> 00:03:17,433 So, I-I'm grateful for this opportunity. 58 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,670 And just so we're clear, um, 59 00:03:19,733 --> 00:03:22,633 never violent. Never anything like that. 60 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:24,630 I'm not a danger to anyone. 61 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,330 I don't know what Karla was talking about. 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,500 I mean, it's heat of the moment. 63 00:03:29,566 --> 00:03:32,766 "I'll f-ing kill you," but never... 64 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:35,673 You know, it's one thing if you're shouting that at a vulnerable person. 65 00:03:35,733 --> 00:03:37,603 It's another if you're shouting it at a prison guard 66 00:03:37,666 --> 00:03:40,096 standing behind three inches of plexiglass, 67 00:03:40,166 --> 00:03:42,726 being a sadistic fuck. Sorry. 68 00:03:44,466 --> 00:03:46,096 (sighs) 69 00:03:46,166 --> 00:03:49,096 I'm like the most, you know, pacifist. 70 00:03:49,166 --> 00:03:50,666 Not just in my personal life, but-but 71 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:54,633 -as applies to the world. -And the physical altercation? 72 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,570 Again, that makes it sound like 73 00:03:57,633 --> 00:03:59,333 I was scrappin' in the yard. 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,630 No. No. 75 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,270 I got my fucking ass kicked by a psycho, 76 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:08,073 for no other reason than 77 00:04:08,133 --> 00:04:10,133 I looked to him like a person whose ass 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,370 it might be amusing to kick. 79 00:04:12,433 --> 00:04:15,773 I'm Mr. Peace-On-Earth. I was raised by hippies, full stop. 80 00:04:16,033 --> 00:04:18,273 A commune, the whole bit. 81 00:04:18,333 --> 00:04:21,503 And that outlook, you know, th-that openness, 82 00:04:21,566 --> 00:04:23,266 trust, compassion? 83 00:04:23,333 --> 00:04:25,673 That steered me throughout my life. 84 00:04:25,733 --> 00:04:28,273 Bit of a wanderer. 85 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:31,203 Eventually, I found my way into the tech world. 86 00:04:32,466 --> 00:04:34,466 -The rest is history. -Great. 87 00:04:35,433 --> 00:04:37,133 That's a great place to start. 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,630 And how's the probation process going so far? 89 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,170 Eh, it's good. Yeah. 90 00:04:44,233 --> 00:04:47,333 And therapy, uh, just so you know, I'm all about it. 91 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,300 I've done some form of therapy most of my life, 92 00:04:50,366 --> 00:04:51,496 seriously. 93 00:04:51,566 --> 00:04:54,166 So there's no resistance or apprehension on my part. 94 00:04:54,233 --> 00:04:56,503 I find it bizarre that there's any taboo around it. 95 00:04:56,566 --> 00:04:59,126 It's so not my upbringing. It's fuc-- 96 00:05:01,766 --> 00:05:03,366 Can I just... 97 00:05:03,433 --> 00:05:06,503 I wanna use some words in here, but I don't want to offend you, 98 00:05:06,566 --> 00:05:09,166 but I also don't wanna interrupt myself every time 99 00:05:09,233 --> 00:05:11,103 I'm compelled to say "fuck." 100 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:13,096 No, please. Whatever language you feel comfortable with. 101 00:05:13,166 --> 00:05:15,196 I am not easily offended. 102 00:05:15,266 --> 00:05:16,426 That's fuckin' fantastic. 103 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:19,130 (both laugh) 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,000 (clears throat) So, uh, what was I saying? 105 00:05:22,066 --> 00:05:25,596 Oh! Yeah. It-it's fuckin' crazy that 106 00:05:25,666 --> 00:05:27,496 people are still so averse to therapy, 107 00:05:27,566 --> 00:05:29,526 to self-exploration, to... 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,530 you know, uncovering truth. 109 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Well, I'm glad you like therapy. 110 00:05:33,466 --> 00:05:35,196 It should make my job easier. 111 00:05:35,266 --> 00:05:36,726 I love it. 112 00:05:38,166 --> 00:05:40,296 I need it... 113 00:05:40,366 --> 00:05:43,466 after what I've been through. 114 00:05:43,533 --> 00:05:46,703 So, you know, let's, uh, roll up our sleeves. 115 00:05:46,766 --> 00:05:49,096 -Get into it. -Okay. Sounds fun. 116 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:51,726 Well, it should be fun. Why not, right? 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,500 Thing is, I'm not patting myself on the back when I say this. 118 00:05:54,566 --> 00:05:57,226 It's just a true thing about me. 119 00:05:58,366 --> 00:06:01,026 I'm open. I always have been. 120 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:02,570 I imagine some patients, 121 00:06:02,633 --> 00:06:05,033 -it probably takes them weeks to warm up. -Well, I don't know. 122 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:08,100 I feel like most people walk in here ready to talk. 123 00:06:08,166 --> 00:06:10,266 You know, come here for a reason. 124 00:06:10,333 --> 00:06:13,103 Yeah, but ready to talk and able to talk, 125 00:06:13,166 --> 00:06:15,226 -two different things. -Well, that's true. 126 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,230 And you seem very comfortable communicating. 127 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:20,100 (laughs) Thank you. 128 00:06:20,166 --> 00:06:22,326 Anything, I talk too much. 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,600 It's probably got me into some of this trouble, frankly. 130 00:06:26,666 --> 00:06:28,366 -Is that how you see it? -What? 131 00:06:28,433 --> 00:06:30,503 The situation you found yourself in? Prison? 132 00:06:30,566 --> 00:06:33,766 That it was related to your loose communication style? 133 00:06:36,433 --> 00:06:37,703 Um... 134 00:06:37,766 --> 00:06:40,096 Yeah, I don't know. Sure, a little bit. 135 00:06:41,133 --> 00:06:43,073 It's an interesting question. 136 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:44,733 -Certain ways, I guess. -Which ways? 137 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,700 I'm sorry. You know, I just... 138 00:06:46,766 --> 00:06:49,996 -I keep taking in your house. -Hm. 139 00:06:50,066 --> 00:06:52,366 This was built in the-the late '60s, right? 140 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:55,703 -Good eye. -Oh, kind of an architecture buff. 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,030 Wow. 142 00:07:00,533 --> 00:07:02,203 Wowza. 143 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,770 What does your husband do? 144 00:07:06,566 --> 00:07:08,396 I'm not married. 145 00:07:08,466 --> 00:07:09,726 Oh. 146 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:12,300 Yeah, driving up here, 147 00:07:12,366 --> 00:07:15,196 there were a bunch of these great little houses. 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,530 -This place is very nice. -(both chuckle) 149 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:22,500 So it's not all pro bono then. 150 00:07:22,566 --> 00:07:25,226 Oh no! You're my first, actually. 151 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:27,700 No shit. Oh, that's great. 152 00:07:27,766 --> 00:07:30,296 'Cause I've never gotten free therapy before. 153 00:07:30,366 --> 00:07:32,766 We can figure this out together. (chuckles) 154 00:07:33,033 --> 00:07:35,673 So, what, you're like a shit-hot therapist then? 155 00:07:35,733 --> 00:07:38,403 I do all right. 156 00:07:38,466 --> 00:07:41,626 -But you know what we're not here to talk about? -Oh, I know. 157 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:43,570 Of course. 158 00:07:43,633 --> 00:07:44,773 Oh, that's the thing though. 159 00:07:45,033 --> 00:07:46,733 See, I wanna I wanna talk about you. 160 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,630 And why do you think that is? 161 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:51,170 Not exclusively, but... 162 00:07:51,233 --> 00:07:54,273 you know, I do want us to get to know each other. 163 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:57,373 Really, beyond the quarter-inch file of 164 00:07:57,433 --> 00:08:00,403 glaring omissions and mischaracterization. 165 00:08:00,466 --> 00:08:03,466 Then why don't you start by filling in the gaps? 166 00:08:03,533 --> 00:08:05,233 (sighs) 167 00:08:05,666 --> 00:08:07,426 Sure. 168 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:09,100 (clears throat) Uh, 169 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:10,266 I was born in Santa Cruz. 170 00:08:10,333 --> 00:08:12,303 Parents, like I said, they were hippies. 171 00:08:12,366 --> 00:08:13,766 The real deal. 172 00:08:14,033 --> 00:08:17,103 Weren't playing dress-up. They were living the life. 173 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:19,366 Uh, moved to Santa Monica 174 00:08:19,433 --> 00:08:21,403 when I was 10 for my parents' business. 175 00:08:21,466 --> 00:08:23,726 Health food, where better, right? 176 00:08:25,233 --> 00:08:28,033 Spent high school bumming around LA, Venice. 177 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:30,600 Skipping class, get high on the beach. 178 00:08:30,666 --> 00:08:32,326 It was a different city back then. 179 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,500 There was a porn theater on 2nd Street. Did you know that? 180 00:08:36,566 --> 00:08:39,596 Downtown Santa Monica. Now, it's... 181 00:08:39,666 --> 00:08:41,766 an adorable something-or-other. 182 00:08:42,033 --> 00:08:44,503 And how does that kind of change affect you? 183 00:08:44,566 --> 00:08:46,196 Um, it doesn't. 184 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:48,466 Not really. You know, things change. 185 00:08:48,533 --> 00:08:51,033 As a guy who stepped out of the world for four years, 186 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:54,100 I can say with some authority, "Things change." 187 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:56,296 It's all good. I'm just... 188 00:08:56,366 --> 00:08:58,196 You know, painting a picture. 189 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:00,696 I wasn't running around going to SUGARFISH or Pinkberry 190 00:09:00,766 --> 00:09:03,566 when I was in high school. It was down and dirty. 191 00:09:03,633 --> 00:09:06,773 Syringes in the sand-type shit. 192 00:09:07,033 --> 00:09:10,773 -Picture painted. -This area? Fuck! I mean, 193 00:09:11,033 --> 00:09:13,473 it's great that it's finally turning around. 194 00:09:13,533 --> 00:09:16,033 It was treacherous back in the '90s. 195 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:18,070 This area's always been nice. I grew up here. 196 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:19,673 I ju-- No, I mean, you're just surrounded. 197 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:22,173 You know, you got Inglewood just down the hill. 198 00:09:22,233 --> 00:09:23,503 I guess Black people aren't as scary 199 00:09:23,566 --> 00:09:25,096 when you are also a Black person. 200 00:09:25,166 --> 00:09:27,266 Oh, no, no. I meant, Black, white-- 201 00:09:27,333 --> 00:09:29,203 I'm messing with you, Colin. 202 00:09:29,266 --> 00:09:31,396 -Oh. -(laughs) 203 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,200 My dad designed some of the houses in the area. 204 00:09:38,066 --> 00:09:40,066 Oh. Wild! Wow! 205 00:09:40,133 --> 00:09:42,733 -So your dad is an architect. Wow! -Yes. 206 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,230 -He was. He passed. -Sorry. 207 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,570 How nice that he left something behind though that, 208 00:09:48,633 --> 00:09:51,003 you know, made his mark. Especially as... 209 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,470 It's nice. 210 00:09:59,533 --> 00:10:01,003 Yes. 211 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:04,326 And now, you know a little about me. 212 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,170 And I know a little about you. 213 00:10:10,166 --> 00:10:12,326 Now you wanna talk about what? 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,470 My dramatic emotional breakdown. 215 00:10:15,533 --> 00:10:16,573 Hm. 216 00:10:16,633 --> 00:10:19,073 Oh well, that makes sense. Juicy. 217 00:10:19,133 --> 00:10:22,303 Something to sink your teeth into, psychologically speaking. 218 00:10:22,366 --> 00:10:24,266 I'm just afraid you're gonna be disappointed. 219 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:25,573 Why would I be disappointed? 220 00:10:25,633 --> 00:10:28,433 Just isn't that much there. 221 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:30,600 Sounds like a significant event. 222 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:37,673 It-it was a bad day. 223 00:10:39,533 --> 00:10:42,403 My life ended. I lost everything. 224 00:10:43,633 --> 00:10:45,673 And I couldn't fucking take it. 225 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:48,770 I reached a breaking point. 226 00:10:50,433 --> 00:10:52,133 Guess what? I broke. 227 00:10:53,433 --> 00:10:54,603 See? 228 00:10:54,666 --> 00:10:57,396 I told you it's not juicy. It's dull, dry, and simple. 229 00:10:57,466 --> 00:10:59,666 The file says you were put in segregation. 230 00:10:59,733 --> 00:11:02,473 That's pro forma prison shit. 231 00:11:02,533 --> 00:11:04,503 Those people, they're not the most astute observers 232 00:11:04,566 --> 00:11:06,066 of the human condition. 233 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,203 It's the DMV with billy clubs. 234 00:11:08,266 --> 00:11:09,196 (scoffs) 235 00:11:09,266 --> 00:11:11,596 I-I'm not a crazy person. 236 00:11:11,666 --> 00:11:14,326 I'm happy. I'm sunny. I... 237 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Forgive me, I light up a room. 238 00:11:16,666 --> 00:11:19,066 I fucking do. 239 00:11:19,133 --> 00:11:21,673 So if you wanna get into my-my-my grief, 240 00:11:21,733 --> 00:11:24,603 my pain, it's just not there. 241 00:11:24,666 --> 00:11:26,396 I have problems. Lord knows I... 242 00:11:26,466 --> 00:11:29,266 obliterated my entire existence. 243 00:11:29,333 --> 00:11:32,503 No aspect of my life was left unfucked. 244 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:35,470 But depression? 245 00:11:35,533 --> 00:11:38,433 Anything like that? It-it-it's just a dead end. 246 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:40,170 Okay. 247 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:44,470 "No aspect of my life was left unfucked"? 248 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:48,230 (chuckles) You have a way with words. 249 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,000 -(laughs) -Yeah. (laughs) 250 00:11:50,066 --> 00:11:51,766 Crochet that on a pillow. You'd make some good money. 251 00:11:52,033 --> 00:11:55,173 -Well, let's talk about that then. -What? Our pillow business? 252 00:11:55,233 --> 00:11:57,773 The way you upended your life. 253 00:11:58,033 --> 00:12:00,433 -Well, you read the file. -Oh, come on. 254 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,500 You said it was full of omissions. 255 00:12:02,566 --> 00:12:04,426 Correct the record. 256 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,170 (groans) 257 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:15,366 I overstated some things 258 00:12:15,433 --> 00:12:18,073 to secure investments. 259 00:12:18,133 --> 00:12:19,633 Wire fraud, that was the headline. 260 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,500 Five years, told I'd serve one. 261 00:12:22,566 --> 00:12:25,296 They kept tacking on time for behavior bullshit. 262 00:12:25,366 --> 00:12:28,496 I ended up serving four. What can I say? 263 00:12:28,566 --> 00:12:31,166 The whole justice system, it's a-- Well, 264 00:12:31,233 --> 00:12:34,373 I don't have to tell you it's a joke. 265 00:12:34,433 --> 00:12:36,133 No, worse. It's a crime. 266 00:12:38,066 --> 00:12:41,566 Look, so you know, George Floyd? Black Lives? 267 00:12:41,633 --> 00:12:45,033 I would've been the first person out on those fucking streets. I... 268 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:48,526 I get so enraged at the injustice. 269 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,630 It absolutely breaks my heart. 270 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:52,730 (scoffs) 271 00:12:54,033 --> 00:12:56,333 Sorry. Tangent. I'm... I just... 272 00:12:57,666 --> 00:12:59,396 I'm very passionate about it. 273 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:03,630 The justice system. 274 00:13:04,433 --> 00:13:06,773 Oh, right. Yeah. 275 00:13:07,033 --> 00:13:08,603 Yeah, particularly where it pertains to, 276 00:13:08,666 --> 00:13:11,726 you know, corporate crime or whatever? 277 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,130 You see, the business world, 278 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,130 it plays by a different set of rules 279 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,770 that these people don't understand 280 00:13:17,033 --> 00:13:20,533 because if they did understand it, they'd be a part of it. 281 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,530 Instead of sweating through shitty suits 282 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,570 and filthy fucking courtrooms all day long. 283 00:13:25,633 --> 00:13:27,303 Jesus, I made a mistake. 284 00:13:27,366 --> 00:13:29,426 A careless, clerical error. 285 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:30,730 You misplace a decimal point, 286 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,600 suddenly, you're a criminal mastermind. 287 00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:36,396 So let's put this guy with a name we've heard of in prison 288 00:13:36,466 --> 00:13:38,766 and trumpet our impressive track record 289 00:13:39,033 --> 00:13:41,603 of holding big business accountable. 290 00:13:41,666 --> 00:13:45,426 Meanwhile, exactly zero people's lives are improved by my arrest. 291 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,330 You know, I'm not Al Capone. 292 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,700 Every single one of these assholes, 293 00:13:48,766 --> 00:13:50,566 they all think they're Eliot Ness. 294 00:13:50,633 --> 00:13:53,773 Crime busters, only there's barely a crime. 295 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:57,633 A-and no one's hiding anything, but there's all these fucking... 296 00:13:58,533 --> 00:14:00,473 I swear to God, the names 297 00:14:00,533 --> 00:14:03,373 of the federal agents who were on my case, 298 00:14:03,433 --> 00:14:06,473 sounds like a list of south Boston dive bars. 299 00:14:06,533 --> 00:14:09,103 Really! I mean, my life was great, 300 00:14:09,166 --> 00:14:10,996 and then here comes Mickey O'Shaughnessy. 301 00:14:11,066 --> 00:14:12,766 "Mickey O'Shaughnessy." 302 00:14:13,033 --> 00:14:15,173 Stupid but driven to... 303 00:14:15,233 --> 00:14:18,733 take a big steaming dump on my existence. It's fuckin' insane. 304 00:14:21,366 --> 00:14:23,226 The point is they don't understand the world, 305 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:24,530 especially the tech world. 306 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,200 I guarantee you none of these assholes 307 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:28,096 could fucking network a printer, much less 308 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:30,566 wrap their heads around the shit I was working on. 309 00:14:30,633 --> 00:14:33,003 -So, you were innocent? -No. 310 00:14:33,066 --> 00:14:37,196 No, I mean, no. Not of... not of what they were saying, but... 311 00:14:37,266 --> 00:14:39,766 You know, what is a crime? And what isn't? 312 00:14:40,033 --> 00:14:41,103 Blah-blah-blah. 313 00:14:42,366 --> 00:14:44,266 Fraud is a crime. 314 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,670 (sighs) 315 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,770 Can we talk about that instinct of yours? 316 00:14:53,033 --> 00:14:55,133 To minimize, downplay, diminish. 317 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,670 You did it with the prison time, the breakdown, 318 00:14:57,733 --> 00:15:00,473 the crimes themselves. 319 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:02,103 You are trying to evade me. 320 00:15:02,166 --> 00:15:05,126 I don't know if you realize that. 321 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,370 Maybe it's a behavior you learned 322 00:15:07,433 --> 00:15:09,133 after being accused of a crime. 323 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,530 Maybe it's been around longer than that. 324 00:15:16,733 --> 00:15:18,273 Where'd you go? 325 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Oh, sorry. No, you're, you're right. 326 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,030 I was just thinking, "You're good!" 327 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,670 I hadn't anticipated that. 328 00:15:29,733 --> 00:15:32,503 Usually, court-appointed? 329 00:15:32,566 --> 00:15:34,466 Not exactly the mark of high quality. 330 00:15:34,533 --> 00:15:37,133 Is it deliberate? Your evasiveness. 331 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,730 No, I like to talk. I like to learn about people. 332 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,770 You mentioned earlier your communication style 333 00:15:43,033 --> 00:15:45,273 might have contributed to some of your problems. 334 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:47,133 I like to give people good news. 335 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,030 Sometimes, what you think is going to happen doesn't. 336 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,300 -Which is a crime, apparently. -And that sounds 337 00:15:52,366 --> 00:15:55,066 -like another dismissal. -(laughs) Oh, Jesus. 338 00:15:55,133 --> 00:15:57,473 It's a defensive stance, I suppose. Maybe... 339 00:15:57,533 --> 00:16:00,633 after getting thrown into a box for four years, uh... 340 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:02,570 having everyone in my life abandon me, 341 00:16:02,633 --> 00:16:05,003 maybe I've developed some trust issues. 342 00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:07,026 Or maybe you're just not asking the right questions. 343 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:10,170 I don't think there are right questions or wrong questions per se, 344 00:16:10,233 --> 00:16:12,533 -or right answers for that matter. -What, 345 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,070 so it's just a random exchange of words 346 00:16:14,133 --> 00:16:15,333 with little consequence? 347 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,400 It's a process, not a puzzle. I'm not trying to pick a lock. 348 00:16:17,466 --> 00:16:19,666 It's difficult to quantify a process. 349 00:16:19,733 --> 00:16:21,733 What's a process worth? 350 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,130 -It's free for you. -Oh, is it? 351 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,070 'Cause the government seized all my assets. 352 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:27,733 This is all I got in return. 353 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,700 Four sessions with you. 354 00:16:29,766 --> 00:16:32,496 So I'm giving you the only things of value I have left. 355 00:16:32,566 --> 00:16:34,266 -My time, my energy. -And I would like 356 00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:36,303 for this time not to be wasted. 357 00:16:36,366 --> 00:16:39,066 Well then, by all means, ask away. 358 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,770 What did you have for lunch today? 359 00:16:43,033 --> 00:16:45,003 Why the fuck do you wanna know what I had for lunch today? 360 00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:46,566 I don't think the questions are the problem. 361 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,473 Good one. 362 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:50,173 Why does it bother you to open up to me? 363 00:16:50,233 --> 00:16:52,433 -I'm not bothered. -But you are reluctant to share. 364 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,300 'Cause I've been fuckin' pummeled every time 365 00:16:54,366 --> 00:16:57,126 I've opened my mouth for the past four years, 366 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,430 today being no exception. 367 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,430 I mean, I say I'm a piece of shit, and I just hear back, 368 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,730 "No, no. You're a colossal piece of shit." 369 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,570 I try to defend myself, it's even worse. 370 00:17:06,633 --> 00:17:09,033 I tell you the truth, it's not enough truth. I-- 371 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:10,570 Or it's not the truth you're looking for. 372 00:17:10,633 --> 00:17:13,033 See, I don't know what you're looking for. I'm not a mind reader. 373 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:15,400 I'm not looking for any one answer. 374 00:17:15,466 --> 00:17:18,296 -I'm looking for honesty. -Unless it's something you don't wanna hear. 375 00:17:18,366 --> 00:17:21,326 No, I want you to feel safe in this room. 376 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,000 I'm not judging you. 377 00:17:23,066 --> 00:17:25,496 I am gonna be honest about what I'm seeing and hearing, 378 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:27,996 and what I am hearing right now 379 00:17:28,066 --> 00:17:31,996 is a lot of avoidance of difficult subjects. 380 00:17:32,066 --> 00:17:34,766 So you want me to feel safe, but... 381 00:17:35,033 --> 00:17:36,603 I'm not safe. 382 00:17:36,666 --> 00:17:38,366 I can't be myself. 383 00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:41,303 Because try as you might, despite your best, 384 00:17:41,366 --> 00:17:44,366 very most, you know, professional of intentions, 385 00:17:44,433 --> 00:17:46,733 you are judging me. 386 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,570 If I were to refer to a woman as a cunt, 387 00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:51,203 that'd be alright? 388 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:54,396 -I'd prefer if you didn't. -Ah-ha. See, when I'm with my buddies, 389 00:17:54,466 --> 00:17:57,066 I say the word "cunt," they know me. 390 00:17:57,133 --> 00:17:58,573 They hear it as I intend it. 391 00:17:58,633 --> 00:18:00,603 They know I'm not a misogynist. 392 00:18:00,666 --> 00:18:02,466 The furthest thing from it. 393 00:18:02,533 --> 00:18:05,003 Simply an economical way of expressing that the person 394 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,526 to whom I'm referring is not at all a good person. 395 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,370 They're a vicious person. A cruel person. 396 00:18:11,433 --> 00:18:13,433 (scoffs) They're a cunt! 397 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,300 Prosecutor was a cunt. The judge was a cunt. 398 00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:17,566 But see, I can't say that in here 399 00:18:17,633 --> 00:18:19,503 because you hear it in a different way. 400 00:18:19,566 --> 00:18:21,196 So I have to police myself, yes or no? 401 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:24,426 There's nothing wrong with being considerate of folks around you. 402 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:26,600 I'm just using a crude example to explain a broader point. 403 00:18:26,666 --> 00:18:30,526 Would it be helpful if I explain to you why that particular word 404 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,630 -feels very violent to me? -No, God... 405 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,100 -I get it. -It sounds like you feel constrained, 406 00:18:36,166 --> 00:18:37,526 not just by this arrangement. 407 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,670 Well, I am! The whole fucking world's constrained! 408 00:18:39,733 --> 00:18:42,103 Imprisonment is literal physical constraint! 409 00:18:42,166 --> 00:18:43,596 That frustration doesn't feel related? 410 00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:46,126 -Yeah, sure, sure-- -No, no, no! Really! 411 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,230 (screaming): Yes! 412 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:50,200 Alright? Yes! 413 00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:52,703 Jesus. 414 00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:57,626 (sighs) 415 00:19:01,466 --> 00:19:03,126 Yes. 416 00:19:07,433 --> 00:19:08,473 (sighs) 417 00:19:14,666 --> 00:19:17,626 What's it been like for you? 418 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,070 -Since you've gotten out? -(scoffs) 419 00:19:23,433 --> 00:19:26,073 Uneventful? 420 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:28,733 -Where are you staying? -Crashing at a buddy's place. 421 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,470 Venice. He's got a back house thing. 422 00:19:32,533 --> 00:19:34,633 I've seen some people, most really aren't... 423 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,200 receptive to reconnecting. 424 00:19:37,266 --> 00:19:39,396 And how are things going with your friend? 425 00:19:39,466 --> 00:19:43,396 Oh, good. Fine. He's very laid-back. 426 00:19:43,466 --> 00:19:46,466 He's an actor. You'd know him. 427 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:49,003 He's got this new wife who I'd never met. 428 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:51,196 They got together while I was still... 429 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,500 I'm not sure she likes me. 430 00:19:54,566 --> 00:19:56,366 She's cute though. 431 00:19:57,666 --> 00:20:01,696 Good God, these women. This whole area. 432 00:20:01,766 --> 00:20:04,326 After four years in prison, walking through Venice 433 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,030 is fucking torture. 434 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:10,400 -I feel like a pervert. -What do you mean? 435 00:20:10,466 --> 00:20:13,366 Like I'm going to pull my cock out and start jerking off 436 00:20:13,433 --> 00:20:15,603 -in the middle of brunch. -You wouldn't do that. 437 00:20:15,666 --> 00:20:18,296 No. No, I wouldn't fuckin' do that. 438 00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:21,226 Those fancy brunch places frown upon that sort of thing. 439 00:20:21,633 --> 00:20:23,303 Yeah. 440 00:20:25,033 --> 00:20:26,673 How does it feel when some folks 441 00:20:26,733 --> 00:20:29,073 aren't receptive to reconnecting? 442 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:32,703 Sad. 443 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,030 What about making new friends? 444 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,170 There's support groups. 445 00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:41,133 Online communities 446 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,070 for former prisoners. 447 00:20:43,133 --> 00:20:47,003 Human connection is important. 448 00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:49,626 What about getting back out there? 449 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:52,030 Meeting someone? 450 00:20:53,266 --> 00:20:55,696 Yeah, I did pretty well in my younger days. 451 00:20:55,766 --> 00:20:58,326 I got a lot of material stored up to... 452 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,770 keep me company on those lonely nights. 453 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,170 I fucked a lot of therapists, too. You know? 454 00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:09,673 It's a weird thing. My whole life. 455 00:21:09,733 --> 00:21:11,373 I'd meet a girl, we hit it off. 456 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:14,273 "What do you do?" "I'm a therapist." 457 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:16,033 Over and over and over. 458 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:19,596 They were always the wildest, too. 459 00:21:23,366 --> 00:21:25,226 What about you? Have you ever fucked a patient? 460 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,470 -What are you doing? -Sharing. 461 00:21:28,266 --> 00:21:29,666 Look. 462 00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:32,033 I could try to navigate this exchange 463 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,170 in some professional way, 464 00:21:34,233 --> 00:21:37,103 but I think it's best we put our cards on the table. 465 00:21:37,166 --> 00:21:39,466 Wait, you asking me out? 466 00:21:39,533 --> 00:21:42,133 -I think you're trying to push my buttons. -And did I? 467 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,700 Did I push your buttons? 'Cause you know 468 00:21:43,766 --> 00:21:45,696 -I'm told I have a certain knack. -This isn't a game. 469 00:21:45,766 --> 00:21:47,526 This is my job, 470 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,500 and I take it seriously, and I would like for you 471 00:21:49,566 --> 00:21:52,226 -to take it seriously, too. -Oh, yes, that's right. 472 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:53,330 The work. 473 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,130 It's very important. You're a doctor, after all. 474 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,130 If there was an insult in there, I think I missed it. 475 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,570 I once had a therapist. A licensed therapist, 476 00:22:00,633 --> 00:22:03,133 same certificate you got around here somewhere. 477 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,530 She told me to whisper my resentments into 478 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,770 "the hollow of a tree. 479 00:22:08,033 --> 00:22:09,773 And then fill the tree with mud." 480 00:22:10,033 --> 00:22:12,603 -Did it work? -(scoffs) These are your colleagues! 481 00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:14,266 This is the work you need to safeguard 482 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,773 against the scourge of irreverence. 483 00:22:16,033 --> 00:22:19,273 -Why can't you bear to be sincere with me? -Oh, sincerely? 484 00:22:19,333 --> 00:22:21,133 -Fuck you. -There we go! 485 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,330 Now that's something! 486 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,300 It's hostility, but at least it's genuine. 487 00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:28,066 -Oh, you did it, doc. You broke through. -No, you sat here 488 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:30,103 with a probation officer who said 489 00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:31,526 you lacked impulse control, 490 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,300 you are emotionally unstable, self-destructive, 491 00:22:34,366 --> 00:22:37,126 and you understand your literal freedom 492 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,700 is on the line. Still, 493 00:22:39,766 --> 00:22:41,526 you couldn't make it one hour without telling me 494 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,530 to go fuck myself, that my job was a joke, 495 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,730 intimating some sexual potential between us, 496 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,570 and you were worried that 497 00:22:47,633 --> 00:22:50,473 I would be disappointed? Colin! 498 00:22:50,533 --> 00:22:53,733 There is plenty for me to work with here! 499 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,430 The only question 500 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,470 is whether you are up to it. 501 00:22:57,533 --> 00:23:00,303 The sooner we have that answer, the better. 502 00:23:00,366 --> 00:23:01,766 The court... 503 00:23:02,033 --> 00:23:03,733 is expecting a determination 504 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,230 after four sessions, 505 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,370 but if you are gonna fuck off all the time, I am... 506 00:23:09,433 --> 00:23:12,103 happy to say, right now, 507 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:16,196 -that you are beyond help. -Well maybe I just don't like you. 508 00:23:16,266 --> 00:23:19,296 You know, what? You're gonna send me back to prison because I don't like you? 509 00:23:19,366 --> 00:23:20,596 You're not a judge. You're not a warden. 510 00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:21,726 Let me guess, I'm a cunt? 511 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 You're a wounded bird in Baldwin Hills! 512 00:23:25,066 --> 00:23:26,596 Sheltered in a house your father built! 513 00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:29,196 I will not sign a paper that I do not believe. 514 00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:30,496 I will not tell a court 515 00:23:30,566 --> 00:23:33,366 that you are well when you are not, and... 516 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,170 Colin. 517 00:23:49,033 --> 00:23:51,203 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, that's not what I... 518 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,070 I'm sorry I said those things. I am. 519 00:23:57,133 --> 00:23:58,633 I didn't mean... 520 00:24:00,433 --> 00:24:02,103 I've been under a lot of stress. 521 00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,526 It's a very weird time, you know? I'm... 522 00:24:06,066 --> 00:24:07,566 It's nothing personal. 523 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,230 Suppose you'd say I'm... 524 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,270 I'm minimizing or dismissing, 525 00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:14,503 and maybe I am. I don't know. I just... 526 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,230 I really didn't mean for it to go this way. 527 00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:28,226 Okay. 528 00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:36,503 Okay. 529 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,570 That's our time. 530 00:24:45,033 --> 00:24:46,333 See you next week, yeah? 531 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,130 -Great. -(picks up sunglasses) 532 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,470 (light guitar playing) 533 00:24:56,533 --> 00:24:59,633 ♪ 534 00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:05,203 (door opens, shuts) 535 00:25:13,133 --> 00:25:15,473 (sighs) 536 00:25:48,633 --> 00:25:50,233 (sighs) 537 00:25:52,366 --> 00:25:55,426 ♪ ♪ 538 00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:25,433 ♪ ♪ 39617

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