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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(PHONE RINGING)
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(DOG BARKING)
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(PHONE BEEPS)
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA: Hi, Cliff.
My name is Michelle McNamara.
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I'm a crime writer
in Los Angeles.
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I am doing a series
on unsolved crimes.
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Hi, Kate.
This is Michelle McNamara.
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-Hey, it's Michelle.
-PETE KOTZ: Hi, Michelle.
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MICHELLE: Hi.
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I-- I write a lot about
unsolved cases.
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One that I, um,
am very fascinated with is
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the East Area Rapist,
Original Night Stalker case.
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I think it's very solvable.
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There's a good likelihood
that he is still alive
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and he's out there.
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I think the narcotic
pull for me
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is what I think of
as the powerful absence
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that haunts an unsolved crime.
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Murderers lose their power
the moment we know them.
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We see their unkempt shirts,
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the uncertain fear
tightening their faces
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as they're led
into a courtroom.
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When I'm puzzling
over the details
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of an unsolved crime,
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I'm like a rat in a maze
given a task.
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And I mean that
in the best possible way.
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The world narrows,
the search propels.
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I felt, in the truest sense
of the word, gripped.
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I had a murder habit
and it was bad.
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I would feed it
for the rest of my life.
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♪ ("AVALANCHE"
BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Well, I stepped
Into an avalanche ♪
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♪ It covered up my soul ♪
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♪ When I am not this hunchback
That you see ♪
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♪ I sleep beneath
The golden hill ♪
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♪ You who wish
To conquer pain ♪
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♪ You must learn ♪
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♪ Learn to serve me well ♪
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(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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WOMAN: So,
what's in Herndon, Virginia?
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PATTON OSWALT: Herndon, Virginia
is where my parents live,
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so I was back there for a week,
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and while my daughter
was visiting her grandparents,
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I was in the basement
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struggling to get
this afterword done
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'cause it was hard going.
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Um... 'Cause I was also
re-reading the book.
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And there were
those moments when
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I would want to just...
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like, run upstairs
and go tell her something
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because it felt like
I was listening to her
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and then I'm like,
"Oh no. She's not..."
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-You know.
-Mm-hmm.
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So it was just--
it was a very--
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-Yeah. Well, I can only imagine.
-PATTON: For me.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE: That summer, I hunted
the serial killer at night
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from my daughter's playroom.
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I'd retreat
to my makeshift workspace
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and boot up my laptop in search
of a man I'd never met
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who raped and murdered people
I didn't know.
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In 1977,
the Golden State Killer,
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as I'd come to call him,
hadn't yet graduated to murder.
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Long before he was known
by the acronym EAR/ONS
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and even before he was known
as the Original Night Stalker,
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they called him
the East Area Rapist,
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who was attacking women
and girls in their bedrooms
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throughout Northern California.
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CAROL DALY:
This man is considered
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to have an extremely
violent potential.
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There isn't much
that you can do
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except comply with his demands.
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MICHELLE:
He always wore a mask.
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The victims slept untroubled
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until the flashlight's blaze
forced open their eyes.
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Sleepy minds lumbered,
then raced.
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A figure they couldn't see
wielded the light.
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But who? And why?
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The other thing that's so
interesting about this case
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that I think about a lot
is, you know,
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serial killers are, um...
Oh dear.
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-This is awkward.
-(CAMERON CHUCKLES)
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Hi. (LAUGHS)
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Why are you wearing a skirt
as a dress?
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Oh, my God.
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You are so funny.
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CAMERON CLOUTIER:
So, how did you...
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Let's just start
at the very beginning.
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How did you first
become interested in this case?
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Like this particular case?
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So, this particular one,
you know, what's interesting
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is that I remember
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the great tragedy of this case
to me
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is that it's not better known.
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I mean I can't, you know,
like, you know,
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I wish Zodiac would get rid
of his 15 minutes of fame
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so that EAR/ONS
could get a little heat,
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-you know? Um...
-CAMERON: Right.
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And so I was very shocked.
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I think it was just four
or five years ago
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that I happened to be home
one night
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and one of the E! shows
or something was on,
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and I thought, "You've gotta be
kidding me. I've never-- what?"
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE: I looked it up.
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And Larry Crompton's book
kind of got me.
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That's been the last, like,
year kind of obsession.
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-CAMERON: Mm-hmm. Right.
-Started with that book.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WOMAN #1:
It was a Friday night.
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It was probably after 1:00,
closer to 2:00.
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WOMAN #2:
We were awakened by a voice
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and a bright light in our face.
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WOMAN #3: Then there he is...
with his ski mask
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and the only thing you can see
is his silhouette.
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WOMAN #4: Then he said, uh,
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"Don't move or I'll kill you."
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♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE:
Welcome to Crime Scene,
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a podcast that examines
real life crimes.
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I'm Michelle McNamara
of truecrimediary dot com.
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The terror began
on June 18th, 1976,
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when a masked man raped
a young woman home alone
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in middle class
Rancho Cordova.
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(DOOR OPENS)
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Larry Crompton
is a retired lieutenant
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from the Contra Costa
Sheriff's Department.
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He worked on the Rapist
Task Force in the '70s.
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LARRY CROMPTON: Okay.
All of these were suspects
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that we-- we worked on
and, uh, eliminated.
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And, uh...
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and some of them really,
really did look good.
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But, uh...
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MICHELLE: He recently
published a book on the case.
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Sudden Terror
draws on police reports,
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victim interviews,
Crompton's notes,
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newspaper clippings.
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What follows is my conversation
with him.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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-(LARRY MUMBLING)
-MICHELLE:
So, to put together your book,
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you mostly went through
your files. Was that...
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-LARRY: Yeah, I had everything.
-Wow.
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LARRY: And I was there.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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LARRY: Now present,
Sergeant Larry Crompton,
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Sheriff's Office.
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We're conducting
an interview for...
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case file 7917426
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that occurred on 6-11-79.
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MICHELLE: You talked about it
in the book so well,
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sort of coming in,
and that you felt him
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and I just wondered, like,
what that feeling was like.
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LARRY: It's just--
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it's hard to believe this,
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but when I walked
into the house
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I had a feeling.
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The hair on the back of my neck
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would just
feel like it was standing up.
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It was just the...
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the fear that
was in the victims
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and, uh, and listening
to what they--
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what they said.
It...
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It just had a feeling
that this is a madman.
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It wasn't anything
that we had dealt with before.
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He always wore a mask,
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always wore gloves,
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talked through clenched teeth,
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set the houses up
prior to the victim's arriving,
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unlocked doors and windows,
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opened gates.
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Okay.
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This is our backyard.
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This was the window right here.
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It's on the far side
of the house.
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I came out here,
I walked down here,
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and went this way
to the front of the street,
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and that's how I got out,
right there.
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This is the back fence
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to get over.
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LARRY: If there was a man
in the house,
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he would throw shoelaces
on the bed
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and tell the woman
to tie him up.
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He would rummage and then
he would come back with dishes.
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He'd put dishes
on the man's back
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and tell him, "If I hear
these dishes rattle,
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I'm gonna kill your wife."
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WOMAN:
This is our family room...
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And that was what he was
putting into their minds,
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that they were going to die.
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And that's what he did
over and over and over.
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Two-two-seventy-eight.
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Twenty-three.
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The attack happened
on May 14th, uh, 1977.
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So this was my first birthday
after the attack.
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This is mine.
That's the room it was in.
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There's my kitchen.
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Boy, I have not looked at
these pictures in a long time.
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My job is to catch him,
and I didn't do that.
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And, uh, I can't let it go.
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MICHELLE: Were normally the
victims so relieved that
they were alive
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-that they--
-LARRY: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
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-MICHELLE: Yeah.
-LARRY: Definitely.
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MICHELLE: Yeah. I wondered.
I tried to put myself
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in that situation,
you know, and, uh...
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to go into someone's home
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is screwing with them
mentally too.
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-LARRY: Yeah.
-MICHELLE: Ugh, yeah.
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-That's scary.
-LARRY: Yeah.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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You know, I think the story
of the victim-- victims,
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it has to be told.
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PATTON: I remember Michelle
ultimately wanted to serve
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helping to get this guy caught.
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She looked at it
from the hopeful, optimistic,
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humans putting puzzles together,
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trying to get closure,
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trying to make sense
of violence and despair.
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I mean, what drives me
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is the need to put a face
on a unknown killer.
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And what-- what I love
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is this intersection of sort of
technology and crime solving,
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in that people can get sort of
wheeled out of their house
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for something they did in 1957
because of the internet,
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because of DNA.
I really get off on that.
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That is so amazing to me,
and I wanna be a part of that.
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Nothing-- it's, you know,
everyone has their cause,
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and this just feels like
what I was born to do.
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(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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I love digging for clues,
I love putting things together.
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I love the puzzling part of it.
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I love being wrong
because sometimes it proves
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that you didn't know enough,
and you learn new techniques.
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I love every single aspect
of it.
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MAN: What led you
to starting this blog?
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MICHELLE: Well, I always
followed crime stories,
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and I was always a writer.
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So I really just--
I started it on a lark, really.
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KAREN KILGARIFF: I started
reading Michelle's blog,
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True Crime Diary, basically
on a recommendation.
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And I was obsessed with it.
Like, she couldn't post enough.
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Her stories
and the way she told them,
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made them so memorable.
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You know,
they all stuck with you.
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MICHELLE: Whatever light
existed was blotted out.
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The sound of hurried footsteps
faded away.
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It had that feeling of, like,
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under the blanket
with a flashlight at night.
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I was kind of amazed
at how quickly it caught on.
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KAREN: When people talk to me
about finding that blog,
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there's a real excitement
where people are like,
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"I've read every single post."
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It was like they were
drug addicts or something.
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MICHELLE: I would say
about a year in,
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I started to realize I wasn't
really in an echo chamber,
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that people were kind of
starting to read it
and respond to it.
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KAREN: Most of the TV shows
that would cover these stories
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were very cold
or really kind of exploitive.
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We spent a bunch of time
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watching a reenactment
of a beautiful young actress
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being attacked over and over
while wearing lingerie.
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(WOMAN SCREAMING)
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KAREN: But Michelle's blog kind
of changed, I think, the focus.
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She personalized those people.
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If you can remind people
about the humanity
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at the other end of that gun.
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"This was a person with hopes
and dreams, with family,
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that could've
done this, this, or this."
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That's what Michelle did
in her writing.
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CHRISTINE BLACKBURN:
All right. Here we go, folks.
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We've got Michelle McNamara.
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She's a writer
and a web sleuth.
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She has taught college writing,
uh, worked as an editor,
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sold TV pilots, and also
consulted for Dateline.
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She is a truth seeker
is what she is.
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-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
-Let's face it.
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You have a career,
you have a life
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because people are always
gonna get murdered.
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-MICHELLE: Well. Yeah.
The murder biz.
-You deal with the devil.
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She was a pioneer,
she was somebody
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who was creating, uh,
you know, something new.
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Yeah.
Nothing was like that in 2007.
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PATTON: Hi, Los Angeles.
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Patton Oswalt
on Jonesy's Jukebox.
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That was "Ceremony"
by New Order.
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I am sitting here
with the lovely and intelligent
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Michelle McNamara, my wife,
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who is the writer and creator
of truecrimediary dot com.
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I think this is one of
the best written
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and creepiest crime blogs
on the web.
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MICHELLE: You're such
a good husband. (LAUGHS)
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PATTON: It is! No, it's a good--
I'm telling you, man.
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If this site was awful, I would
have to be lying all the time.
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-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
-So, um, Michelle.
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-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm?
-You were telling me about
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something going on
in the Northwest right now.
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MICHELLE: Yeah, I mean,
I have a theory that there is
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a serial killer
operating in the Northwest
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who is killing couples,
like, out camping.
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There's been about
four or five cases
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where there seems
to be no motive
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and they are both shot
in the head.
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PATTON: I remember
the Jenner case so clearly.
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That was such
a turning point for her
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because she became
very fascinated
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with how crimes
are investigated.
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MICHELLE: It's not easy
to get to this beach.
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You have to negotiate
a tricky path
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down a rocky cliff.
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On Wednesday, August 18th,
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a sheriff's helicopter
noticed two sleeping bags
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on Fish Head Beach.
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Despite the noise and nearness
of the helicopter,
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the figures in the sleeping
bags didn't move.
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Lindsay and Jason had each been
shot in the head at close range
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with a .45 caliber
Marlin rifle.
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PATTON: That is a creepy beach.
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MICHELLE: I showed you
all that evidence--
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or all that footage,
it's a very creepy beach.
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PATTON: The act of actually
going to the crime scene
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and walking the case
made her go, "Oh...
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Yeah, I can't just be clicking
on the internet.
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I have to go visit places
and look at places."
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It changed the way
she wrote about it.
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DICK GORDON: When did you make
the shift, Michelle,
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from just reading stuff
and absorbing it
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to thinking,
"I can do something here.
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I can start trying to connect
dots that I might see
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that others have missed"?
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MICHELLE: There was this,
um, kind of national news
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about a kidnapping
that took place in Missouri.
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This boy had been kidnapped
from a bus stop.
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And it immediately reminded me
of a lesser known case
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that had happened
five years before
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that no one else
was talking about,
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but there were things
that were interesting to me.
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So I posted, um,
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that I think whoever took
this boy, Ben Ownby,
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probably also took this kid,
Shawn Hornbeck.
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And I posted it on a Wednesday.
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That Friday,
the police in St. Louis
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went to investigate a tip about
where Ben Ownby might be,
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and they knocked on the door,
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and Shawn Hornbeck
opened the door.
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DICK: You mean, a kid who'd been
kidnapped years earlier
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-answered the door?
-MICHELLE: Right. Right.
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And again, this was three days
after I had posted,
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"I think they're probably
taken by the same person."
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That was a big moment for me.
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I could start to see where my
head full of facts and details
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could intersect
with technology.
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You know, I had started
to kind of use internet tools
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to figure out that
they seemed similar
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and that they might be
connected.
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JACKIE KASHIAN:
It's got to be amazing
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when you find
a new sort of clue.
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MICHELLE:
When people describe, like,
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porn addiction or something.
And...
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-No, this is really weird.
-JACKIE: (CHUCKLES) Right.
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MICHELLE: I can't stop myself,
time disappears.
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JACKIE: Oh, right.
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MICHELLE: You know,
all those things happen.
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JACKIE:
So it's a genuine addiction?
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-MICHELLE: Yeah. Yeah.
-JACKIE: You are onboard.
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Are you doing this now,
currently?
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MICHELLE: Oh, every night,
until like 2:00 in the morning.
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(JACKIE LAUGHS)
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I cannot remember
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the specific time we started
talking about EAR/ONS
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because every day,
there was so many cases
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she was following up.
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And then... just organically,
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that became the thing
that got narrowed down.
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NANCY MILLER:
I looked at Michelle's blog,
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truecrimediary dot com,
and I was really intrigued.
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So she and I first met in 2011
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to talk about
some story ideas.
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And she was so smart
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and so... (SIGHS) cool
and down to earth.
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And her shit was together.
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Not only that, I really liked
how she was unpretentious
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in a, obviously, pretty
pretentious city and business.
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I remember
she wore these, like, clogs.
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She had a backpack
like a-- like a--
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that she bought at Target.
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And she just showed up totally
like in a-- in a flannel shirt
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and just as like
low-key as possible.
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So we meet up,
we go to this cafe.
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I think we met there
like at 11:00
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and probably didn't leave
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until about 3:00
in the afternoon.
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Because she started telling me
this story about this guy.
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MICHELLE: The case
that is sort of my--
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the biggest case that
I'm most obsessed with is...
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The short version is,
basically, he's the worst
serial offender
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in modern history
that no one really knows about.
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He raped over 50 women
in California
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and killed 10 people.
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Um, and he's never been caught.
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There's no one
like him out there.
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There hasn't been before.
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He is a such a unique offender.
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This guy
was one of the most prolific,
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00:21:09,577 --> 00:21:12,447
violent, brutal, serial rapists,
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and eventually a murderer.
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And I had never heard of him.
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Like you'd heard
of Zodiac Killer,
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you heard Son of Sam,
like you hear all of these big--
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especially in the '70s and '80s,
which seemed to be
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the most fertile period
for these serial killer stories.
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And I had never heard of him.
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MICHELLE: He would eat
in the people's kitchens,
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he would hide ligatures
under cushions
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so that when he was attacking,
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you suddenly
would watch this man
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take a ligature
under your cushion,
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you didn't even know
he had been in your house.
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NANCY: I'm drinking this,
like, Arnold Palmer
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that's like 36,000 ounces,
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and I'm like sipping on it
and drinking it and drinking it
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as she's telling me this story.
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I needed to go
to the bathroom really badly
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because my bladder
was like about to burst.
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But I couldn't.
I couldn't.
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And I just kept listening,
and listening and listening.
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And that's how I knew
it was a great story.
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You know, the challenge
for any magazine editor,
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any reporter and writer, is...
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00:22:03,577 --> 00:22:06,407
sure, you have, like, a person
or you have a topic,
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really interesting guy
from a long time ago,
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but there was nothing new
to say yet.
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MICHELLE: What's fascinating
to me about this case,
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is that it's rich
with so many clues
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and it really seems to me
that it's just
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time, energy, and curiosity.
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And that, um--
and frankly it should be solved.
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00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:30,699
I mean, it just should be.
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When I was so, um, gripped
by Crompton's book,
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I googled "East Area Rapist
Original Night Stalker."
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And this came up, this link,
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to the Cold Case Files
message board.
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And I was just...
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You know,
for someone like me, again,
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it's like, "Oh, wow,
look at all these--
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00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,290
Oh, wow."
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00:22:55,369 --> 00:22:56,539
-(WOMAN LAUGHING)
-Like, "Wait!
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Who would spend,
you know, all this time..."
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00:22:59,786 --> 00:23:00,946
Well, me, I guess,
449
00:23:01,035 --> 00:23:03,615
because it's a week later
and I've read 20,000 posts.
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00:23:06,911 --> 00:23:08,371
You know,
certainly in this case,
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00:23:08,452 --> 00:23:10,542
there was this community
of people.
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00:23:10,619 --> 00:23:12,869
They all had different reasons
for being involved in it.
453
00:23:12,952 --> 00:23:14,952
Some of them, you know,
were from Sacramento
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and remembered
and were still fearful
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and wanted to see it closed.
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00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,989
Others were more
kind of just, um,
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data mining,
sleuth kind of people.
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00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:32,832
You know, this was unique to me
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because I've never actually
been part of
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this sort of message board
community before.
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00:23:36,952 --> 00:23:40,082
They throw around clues,
you know, you just--
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you go down the rabbit hole
kind of gleefully,
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00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:45,909
like, "Oh, there's just this
unending thread of information
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that I can find."
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EAR/ONS is an acronym
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for the East Area Rapist
slash Original Night Stalker.
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It's an awkward name befitting
a man who crossed jurisdictions
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and flummoxed law enforcement
for decades.
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00:24:00,577 --> 00:24:02,987
What kind of man was he?
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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PAUL HAYNES: I'd been aware
of Michelle for, um,
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probably a few years.
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I was a fan
of her True Crime Diary.
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00:24:20,911 --> 00:24:23,791
I'd read True Crime Diary
in its entirety.
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00:24:23,869 --> 00:24:26,699
So when she finally wrote
about the East Area Rapist,
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00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:29,116
it was, you know,
it was exciting.
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MICHELLE: I'm obsessed.
It's not healthy.
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I know the strangest details
about him.
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I know his blood type.
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I know his penis size.
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He vaulted fences,
he escaped foot chases.
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But I believe it's the rare
moments when he was human
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00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:48,945
that will be his downfall
in the end.
484
00:24:49,035 --> 00:24:52,945
Her writing evoked
the central, um, hook for me,
485
00:24:53,035 --> 00:24:53,985
which was the mystery,
486
00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:57,197
the question of
who is behind this crime?
487
00:24:57,285 --> 00:24:59,655
She wasn't
a ghoulish gore-hound.
488
00:24:59,744 --> 00:25:01,414
There was nothing tasteless
about her writing.
489
00:25:01,494 --> 00:25:03,334
It struck just the right tone.
490
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:05,120
MICHELLE: An impressive
community of people
491
00:25:05,202 --> 00:25:08,412
has come together
at an A&E sponsored website.
492
00:25:08,494 --> 00:25:10,834
Unlike other
unsolved mystery communities,
493
00:25:10,911 --> 00:25:13,621
the EAR/ONS community's
desire for justice
494
00:25:13,702 --> 00:25:15,992
feels strong and sincere.
495
00:25:16,077 --> 00:25:19,077
She reached out to me privately,
and we started corresponding,
496
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,330
and, um,
it was evident she was, like,
497
00:25:21,410 --> 00:25:23,740
entrenched in this case.
As was I.
498
00:25:23,827 --> 00:25:26,197
MICHELLE: I just kind of...
I saw who seemed to be
499
00:25:26,285 --> 00:25:28,365
some of the, like,
kind of leaders on the board,
500
00:25:28,452 --> 00:25:30,372
and I just began kind of
personal messaging.
501
00:25:30,452 --> 00:25:32,292
PAUL: You know,
we started exchanging notes
502
00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:36,789
and, um, developed a rapport
pretty quickly.
503
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,619
You know,
we just built mutual trust
504
00:25:38,702 --> 00:25:39,912
until we were just, you know,
505
00:25:39,993 --> 00:25:42,663
openly sharing
our work with each other.
506
00:25:42,744 --> 00:25:44,414
And that's when we discovered
that a lot of it
507
00:25:44,494 --> 00:25:46,334
had intersected.
508
00:25:47,535 --> 00:25:49,785
MICHELLE: We kind of started
just exchanging ideas
509
00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:51,199
and theories
and things like that.
510
00:25:51,285 --> 00:25:53,325
And we just kind of
forged a friendship,
511
00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:55,200
you know, a strange friendship
512
00:25:55,285 --> 00:25:57,945
over this strange
30-year-old case.
513
00:26:00,911 --> 00:26:02,831
-(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
-Hi.
514
00:26:02,911 --> 00:26:04,291
My name is Michelle.
515
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:07,039
I'm a longtime lurker
on the EAR/ONS board.
516
00:26:07,118 --> 00:26:09,368
The case is of interest to me,
and you seem
517
00:26:09,452 --> 00:26:12,582
really measured and thoughtful
in your responses.
518
00:26:12,661 --> 00:26:15,701
I wanted to know if you have
any thoughts on something.
519
00:26:15,786 --> 00:26:17,696
I spent an afternoon
doing some research,
520
00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:21,906
and I feel like I've stumbled
upon a compelling suspect.
521
00:26:21,993 --> 00:26:24,123
MELANIE BARBEAU: Hi, Michelle.
Thanks for trusting me
522
00:26:24,202 --> 00:26:25,582
with this information.
523
00:26:25,661 --> 00:26:26,911
I'm a Sacramento native
524
00:26:26,993 --> 00:26:29,663
and have been investigating
this case for years.
525
00:26:29,744 --> 00:26:30,874
Let's talk.
526
00:26:32,327 --> 00:26:33,867
MICHELLE:
I traveled to Sacramento
527
00:26:33,952 --> 00:26:36,872
to meet a woman
about whom I know very little,
528
00:26:36,952 --> 00:26:39,992
including the spelling
of her last name.
529
00:26:43,661 --> 00:26:46,701
The Social Worker operates
as a kind of gatekeeper
530
00:26:46,786 --> 00:26:49,536
between investigators
and the board community.
531
00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:51,489
This irks some posters
532
00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,657
who accuse her of hinting
at confidential information
533
00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:57,794
but then shutting down
when asked to share.
534
00:26:57,869 --> 00:27:00,239
She greeted me
in the parking lot
535
00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:03,867
by waving her arms
wildly overhead.
536
00:27:03,952 --> 00:27:05,702
I liked her right away.
537
00:27:06,702 --> 00:27:08,292
Well, we had been
in communication.
538
00:27:08,369 --> 00:27:10,449
I knew she was flying
into Sacramento,
539
00:27:10,535 --> 00:27:13,035
and she was another civilian
that was interested
540
00:27:13,118 --> 00:27:14,788
in the movement.
541
00:27:14,869 --> 00:27:17,409
And we would drive around
to the crime scenes.
542
00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:19,584
I would take her to the areas.
543
00:27:19,661 --> 00:27:22,161
And so we drove around
for hours.
544
00:27:22,243 --> 00:27:24,333
We're gonna go
about five miles from here.
545
00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:25,660
MICHELLE: Okay.
546
00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:27,994
MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you
to the first crime scenes first.
547
00:27:28,077 --> 00:27:29,197
MICHELLE: Okay.
548
00:27:29,285 --> 00:27:32,235
Our language just immediately
became, uh, you know,
549
00:27:32,327 --> 00:27:34,697
about the case facts
and about what we knew
550
00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,576
and what this,
and what do you think of that?
551
00:27:36,661 --> 00:27:38,741
It was a language
that nobody else probably
552
00:27:38,827 --> 00:27:40,907
could've understood
what we were talking about
553
00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:42,583
unless you have that experience
554
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,411
or you were aware of the case.
555
00:27:44,494 --> 00:27:47,544
I just don't think it's gonna be
somebody that everybody thought,
556
00:27:47,619 --> 00:27:49,289
"Oh, that's
the East Area Rapist."
557
00:27:49,369 --> 00:27:51,579
-MICHELLE: Well, I mean,
I think you're right because...
-I think it's gonna be--
558
00:27:51,661 --> 00:27:52,791
MICHELLE: ...he wasn't caught.
559
00:27:52,869 --> 00:27:54,289
-I mean, obviously--
-Yeah, I think it's gonna be
560
00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:56,159
somebody that they go, "Really?"
561
00:27:56,243 --> 00:27:57,243
MICHELLE: Right, right.
562
00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,697
Obviously, he didn't stand out
at the time.
563
00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,986
There's something about
two women getting together
564
00:28:02,077 --> 00:28:04,327
that have a common cause
and a common goal
565
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,040
and, you know, we're crusaders,
566
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,158
we're warriors,
we're on the path.
567
00:28:08,243 --> 00:28:12,163
You know, that was the beginning
of a relationship.
568
00:28:12,243 --> 00:28:15,993
We'll remain
lifelong friends forever.
569
00:28:16,077 --> 00:28:20,197
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
570
00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:25,491
MELANIE: First, we're gonna head
into Rancho Cordova
571
00:28:25,577 --> 00:28:29,537
to, um, his very early attacks,
572
00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:32,699
number one and number three.
573
00:28:32,786 --> 00:28:36,696
MICHELLE: Sacramento. I mean,
when you were growing up,
574
00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:38,736
did it seem to be, like, a
lot of people who worked for--
575
00:28:38,827 --> 00:28:41,407
-MELANIE:
It was a cow town, it was...
-Okay. But there's a--
576
00:28:41,494 --> 00:28:43,204
when you say "cow town,"
you mean that there was
577
00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:45,905
-the outlying farms and stuff?
-MELANIE: Yeah,
it's kind of outlying farms.
578
00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:48,293
-MICHELLE:
There's still a lot of, like--
-It's still outlying. Yeah.
579
00:28:48,369 --> 00:28:49,619
MICHELLE: Well, you see,
it's interesting
580
00:28:49,702 --> 00:28:51,542
'cause coming from LA,
you almost never see sort of
581
00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:53,489
-big, open, empty spaces.
-Mm-hmm.
582
00:28:53,577 --> 00:28:55,537
MICHELLE: And driving around,
it was like, "Wow."
583
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:57,539
MELANIE: We're entering
the Rancho Cordova realm.
584
00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:58,869
MICHELLE: Okay. Yeah.
585
00:28:58,952 --> 00:29:02,042
MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you
right into the heart of it all.
586
00:29:02,118 --> 00:29:03,448
MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
587
00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,825
MELANIE: This is where
the first crime occurs.
588
00:29:08,035 --> 00:29:13,655
When you first are, like,
learning about the case,
589
00:29:13,744 --> 00:29:17,164
you just wanna get
a feel for, like,
590
00:29:17,243 --> 00:29:19,913
where did these things happen?
591
00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:23,413
Who were the players in this,
and, you know,
592
00:29:23,494 --> 00:29:26,204
can you tell anything more
about this offender
593
00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:28,865
by going into the places
he was in?
594
00:29:28,952 --> 00:29:31,372
A few houses down on the right
is number three.
595
00:29:31,452 --> 00:29:33,742
MICHELLE: Yeah, so these houses
are close together, yeah.
596
00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:37,237
MELANIE: Yeah. And I'll actually
show you number one's house.
597
00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:41,697
For Michelle, it's like,
"I wanna get in this guy's mind.
598
00:29:41,786 --> 00:29:43,486
I wanna go to these places.
599
00:29:43,577 --> 00:29:45,697
I wanna try to understand...
600
00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:50,369
Why this area,
and why so close together?
601
00:29:50,452 --> 00:29:52,202
You know, was he from here?"
602
00:29:52,285 --> 00:29:55,235
-This is his hotspot.
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
603
00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:58,584
MELANIE:
This is the house right here.
604
00:29:58,661 --> 00:30:01,291
He cut the phone lines
605
00:30:01,369 --> 00:30:05,619
and, uh... raped her
606
00:30:05,702 --> 00:30:07,992
and left the scene.
607
00:30:08,077 --> 00:30:13,157
This was in June.
June 18, 1976, was this attack.
608
00:30:13,243 --> 00:30:15,993
And the attack we're going to
was in August,
609
00:30:16,077 --> 00:30:18,867
August 29, '76.
610
00:30:18,952 --> 00:30:22,292
We're pulling up to
attack number three right now.
611
00:30:22,369 --> 00:30:24,869
-That's how close he was.
-MICHELLE: Wow.
612
00:30:24,952 --> 00:30:26,622
He had to be from around here.
613
00:30:26,702 --> 00:30:30,582
MELANIE: "A 12-year-old saw a
masked man outside the window,
614
00:30:30,661 --> 00:30:32,331
ran and woke her mother up.
615
00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:36,160
The mother ran to the kitchen
and dialed the operator.
616
00:30:36,243 --> 00:30:38,993
Moments later,
EAR was standing in the doorway
617
00:30:39,077 --> 00:30:42,237
with a club and a gun,
naked from the waist down.
618
00:30:42,327 --> 00:30:45,037
He told the mother,
'Freeze or I'll kill you.'
619
00:30:45,118 --> 00:30:48,868
The mother grabbed the gun band
as he approached her.
620
00:30:48,952 --> 00:30:51,582
He clubbed her
until she lay on the floor.
621
00:30:51,661 --> 00:30:55,081
A neighbor had seen EAR
walking away with no pants on,
622
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,370
but could not
describe his face."
623
00:30:57,452 --> 00:30:59,372
This is the second house in,
624
00:30:59,452 --> 00:31:01,332
and if we drive
to the corner house,
625
00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:03,950
and if you kind of just
look on the fence line
626
00:31:04,035 --> 00:31:05,485
right here through,
627
00:31:05,577 --> 00:31:08,537
this goes straight
to the attack,
628
00:31:08,619 --> 00:31:10,289
uh, number one attack,
629
00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,539
in June of '76.
630
00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:15,699
The neighbor also said
that he was hearing,
631
00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:20,366
for a couple months prior,
people jumping over his fence.
632
00:31:20,452 --> 00:31:25,332
It's my guess
that he was actually, uh,
633
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,740
looking at these houses
long before he attacked.
634
00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:32,827
It's amazing to me
that any one person
635
00:31:32,911 --> 00:31:36,121
could get away
with this many crimes.
636
00:31:36,202 --> 00:31:39,122
And you can just see
how they're just stones--
637
00:31:39,202 --> 00:31:41,832
a stone's throw away
from each other.
638
00:31:41,911 --> 00:31:43,831
And right down the fence line.
639
00:31:43,911 --> 00:31:46,331
MICHELLE: But he wasn't walking
on those kind of fences,
was he?
640
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:47,740
-MELANIE: Yeah.
-MICHELLE: I mean, that's--
641
00:31:47,827 --> 00:31:49,367
MELANIE: He's said to have been
walking them.
642
00:31:49,452 --> 00:31:50,742
MICHELLE: Oh, wow.
643
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:56,332
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
644
00:31:57,744 --> 00:31:59,374
PATTON:
As Michelle was going up
645
00:31:59,452 --> 00:32:02,492
doing drive-arounds
of Sacramento,
646
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,410
I saw her confidence growing.
647
00:32:05,494 --> 00:32:08,584
It was really exciting
to have someone who was--
648
00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:11,291
you're in love with someone,
and they're doing something,
649
00:32:11,369 --> 00:32:14,659
and you can see how excited
and energized they are about it.
650
00:32:14,744 --> 00:32:16,834
And that makes you excited
and energized.
651
00:32:17,827 --> 00:32:18,947
(LAUGHTER)
652
00:32:19,035 --> 00:32:22,575
I'm amazed I'm still funny.
I'm amazed I'm still funny
653
00:32:22,661 --> 00:32:24,791
because I'm in love.
654
00:32:24,869 --> 00:32:27,869
-I'm in love. I'm in love.
-(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
655
00:32:27,952 --> 00:32:29,042
Yes, I am.
656
00:32:29,702 --> 00:32:31,332
And there is nothing--
657
00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:33,410
nothing ends a comedian's career
658
00:32:33,494 --> 00:32:35,794
quicker than regular sex
and being in love.
659
00:32:35,869 --> 00:32:38,289
It's the worst thing
on the planet.
660
00:32:38,369 --> 00:32:40,329
My girlfriend is obsessed
with, like, true crime
661
00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:42,620
and serial killers too.
All she does all day.
662
00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:45,412
Watches FBI Files,
Forensic Files on TV,
663
00:32:45,494 --> 00:32:48,744
the most graphic, disturbing,
depressing shows.
664
00:32:48,827 --> 00:32:50,367
I walk in the house
every single day,
665
00:32:50,452 --> 00:32:53,452
"The amount of semen
found in the chest cavity
lead investigators..."
666
00:32:53,535 --> 00:32:55,035
Oh, my God!
667
00:32:56,535 --> 00:32:58,865
She's like, "Shh!
It's the Semen Cavity Killer,
668
00:32:58,952 --> 00:33:00,452
I wanna see what the..."
(MUTTERS)
669
00:33:00,535 --> 00:33:02,485
-(SIGHS)
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
670
00:33:04,535 --> 00:33:07,535
When I met Michelle,
it was on, um,
671
00:33:09,077 --> 00:33:10,947
it was a show at the Largo.
672
00:33:11,035 --> 00:33:13,235
I think it was May 20th.
673
00:33:14,202 --> 00:33:16,082
I had been doing
The King of Queens
674
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,410
for five years,
675
00:33:17,494 --> 00:33:19,994
and I'd had a couple specials
at that point.
676
00:33:20,077 --> 00:33:22,907
But she wasn't that steeped
in the comedy scene,
677
00:33:22,993 --> 00:33:25,163
so she didn't know who I was.
678
00:33:25,243 --> 00:33:28,873
MICHELLE: This guy was funny.
More than funny.
679
00:33:28,952 --> 00:33:32,992
He was moody and startling
but hilarious.
680
00:33:33,077 --> 00:33:36,537
He could move the crowd with
the tiniest of expressions.
681
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:38,329
"Irish girls," he said.
682
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,990
He knocked the microphone
against his forehead.
683
00:33:41,077 --> 00:33:43,327
"Irish girls are
my kryptonite."
684
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:45,700
And then I was just
sitting at the bar afterwards
685
00:33:45,786 --> 00:33:47,536
and she was leaving,
and she literally tapped me
686
00:33:47,619 --> 00:33:49,539
and just went,
"Irish women, nice." And I was--
687
00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:53,119
and she was so fucking, like,
steamroller gorgeous
688
00:33:53,202 --> 00:33:55,662
that I was just stunned.
And I ran-- I literally
689
00:33:55,744 --> 00:33:58,044
-ran around the street.
-(LAUGHTER)
690
00:33:58,118 --> 00:33:59,368
And I went, "Hey!"
691
00:33:59,452 --> 00:34:01,952
And then that was the first word
I ever said to her was, "Hey!"
692
00:34:02,035 --> 00:34:03,485
-Screaming.
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
693
00:34:03,577 --> 00:34:05,037
And then she turned around,
and I'm like,
694
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:06,448
"I'm not gonna play
any fucking games.
695
00:34:06,535 --> 00:34:08,325
I want your name and number
so I can take you on a date
696
00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:09,790
-this weekend, are you free?"
-WOMAN: Yeah!
697
00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:11,289
And she went, "Yeah."
I went, "Good!
698
00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:13,829
-Give me your number."
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
699
00:34:13,911 --> 00:34:19,621
It was just the most awkward,
non-James Bond moment
700
00:34:19,702 --> 00:34:21,492
I could've had.
701
00:34:21,577 --> 00:34:25,787
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
702
00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:29,369
CAROLINE MEREDITH:
Take off my mask.
703
00:34:29,452 --> 00:34:32,042
PATTON: Our first date in LA,
they show movies
704
00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:34,118
at the Hollywood
Forever Cemetery.
705
00:34:34,202 --> 00:34:36,582
So we went and watched
an Italian film
706
00:34:36,661 --> 00:34:37,951
called The 10th Victim.
707
00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:39,794
(GUNSHOT)
708
00:34:40,577 --> 00:34:41,947
-(GUNSHOT)
-(MAN GRUNTS)
709
00:34:42,035 --> 00:34:45,285
Really goofy Italian
science fiction film.
710
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:47,949
I was too nervous to really
do a lot of talking that night.
711
00:34:48,035 --> 00:34:50,485
She did way more of the talking
because she just was--
712
00:34:50,577 --> 00:34:52,157
and the more we talk, I'm like,
"Oh, my God,
713
00:34:52,243 --> 00:34:55,163
she's so smart and so cool,
I'm gonna screw this up."
714
00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:01,370
I remember I called her
late at night 'cause I was up,
715
00:35:01,452 --> 00:35:03,292
and I'm like, "The Creature
from the Black Lagoon is on,"
716
00:35:03,369 --> 00:35:05,739
and she goes, "I'm watching it!
It's one of my favorite movies."
717
00:35:05,827 --> 00:35:08,407
And that was one of the things
we bonded over really early.
718
00:35:08,494 --> 00:35:09,744
We loved that.
719
00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:12,157
MICHELLE: We loved many
of the same things,
720
00:35:12,243 --> 00:35:14,953
like Creature
from the Black Lagoon,
721
00:35:15,035 --> 00:35:18,325
tales of the grim and offbeat,
and good food.
722
00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:21,787
I didn't like the way his
comedian friends,
723
00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:25,039
including him, seemed to tell
jokes but never listen.
724
00:35:26,494 --> 00:35:29,084
He thought I was thin-skinned.
725
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,540
For a while, it seemed
it might not work.
726
00:35:33,577 --> 00:35:35,867
But one night,
he was saying goodbye to me,
727
00:35:35,952 --> 00:35:36,992
and he won me over
728
00:35:37,077 --> 00:35:41,197
with an adorable
Edward G. Robinson impression.
729
00:35:41,285 --> 00:35:43,615
And I was doing that "Yeah, see.
730
00:35:43,702 --> 00:35:45,622
Look at the getaway sticks
on that tomato."
731
00:35:45,702 --> 00:35:47,952
Like, you--
like, chatting her up,
732
00:35:48,035 --> 00:35:50,115
but in that old kinda slang,
733
00:35:50,202 --> 00:35:51,992
and she thought
that was so hilarious.
734
00:35:52,077 --> 00:35:54,407
MICHELLE: I laughed
and grabbed him.
735
00:35:54,993 --> 00:35:56,743
"More," I said.
736
00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:59,867
PATTON: "Ooh, look at the
keister on that hot number."
737
00:35:59,952 --> 00:36:02,042
You know, couples have in-jokes
with each other,
738
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,408
and that became
one of my, you know...
739
00:36:04,494 --> 00:36:06,874
It was just all that '30s
gangster slang.
740
00:36:06,952 --> 00:36:09,452
I'd, you know,
however you wanna say it.
741
00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:10,945
I can't-- Oh, God.
742
00:36:12,786 --> 00:36:15,036
MICHELLE: I wouldn't let him go.
743
00:36:15,118 --> 00:36:19,288
After a while, we gave up
and moved in together.
744
00:36:19,369 --> 00:36:21,789
PATTON: I made
this custom desk for her
745
00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:24,409
that was in this kind of
half-moon shape.
746
00:36:24,494 --> 00:36:28,124
Like, I wanted her to have,
like, this command center.
747
00:36:28,202 --> 00:36:30,952
MICHELLE: I've never tired
of the Robinson impression.
748
00:36:32,452 --> 00:36:34,582
I've never tired of Patton.
749
00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:39,084
ADAM DRUCKER: Michelle knew
that she was a marrying
750
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,830
a famous person,
and as much as she lived a life
751
00:36:41,911 --> 00:36:45,451
that, you know, a lot of people
might fantasize about,
752
00:36:45,535 --> 00:36:47,365
none of that mattered to her.
753
00:36:47,452 --> 00:36:48,792
And I mean really.
754
00:36:50,452 --> 00:36:53,412
She was a regular
salt-of-the-earth
755
00:36:53,494 --> 00:36:55,874
Midwestern gal.
756
00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:58,492
And she didn't wanna be
anything else.
757
00:36:58,577 --> 00:37:00,487
PATTON:
The whole being photographed
758
00:37:00,577 --> 00:37:02,407
and going to premieres
and stuff,
759
00:37:02,494 --> 00:37:04,044
that meant nothing to her.
760
00:37:04,118 --> 00:37:05,738
MAN: Patton,
can we get a quick single?
761
00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:07,367
Especially if you're someone
who's thinking,
762
00:37:07,452 --> 00:37:08,792
"I wanna go home
and write later,
763
00:37:08,869 --> 00:37:10,289
I wanna get up tomorrow
and write."
764
00:37:10,369 --> 00:37:12,409
ADAM: One of her favorite things
in the world
765
00:37:12,494 --> 00:37:15,204
was to be in her room
under the covers,
766
00:37:15,285 --> 00:37:16,825
like, with a fan, reading.
767
00:37:16,911 --> 00:37:18,741
-(PAPARAZZI CLAMORING)
-You want Patton alone?
768
00:37:18,827 --> 00:37:20,327
MAN: Do you want to leave?
769
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:21,870
(LAUGHS) Yes, I do.
770
00:37:21,952 --> 00:37:23,662
SARAH STANARD:
She went to the Oscars,
she went to the Grammys.
771
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:26,044
We just always giggled about
it. I mean, it was just, like,
772
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,408
so different
from how we grew up.
773
00:37:28,494 --> 00:37:30,414
She usually would wear black,
and she would joke
774
00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:33,124
that they would think
she was like a PR person.
775
00:37:33,202 --> 00:37:35,622
She was just an introvert.
That's all.
776
00:37:35,702 --> 00:37:38,332
ADAM: She was really good
at making herself
777
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:40,700
sort of a fly on the wall
and inconspicuous.
778
00:37:40,786 --> 00:37:41,826
I think it's one of the reasons
779
00:37:41,911 --> 00:37:43,541
she had an incredible insight
into people,
780
00:37:43,619 --> 00:37:44,739
she listened, she watched,
781
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:47,077
she didn't need to be
the center of attention.
782
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,700
She didn't want to be.
783
00:37:48,786 --> 00:37:50,576
I think she'd always been
sort of
784
00:37:50,661 --> 00:37:53,621
singled out as,
"You're a terrific writer."
785
00:37:53,702 --> 00:37:56,162
And then she got to LA
where, you know,
786
00:37:56,243 --> 00:37:58,663
there's a gazillion people
trying to do the same thing,
787
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,204
and that was hard for her.
788
00:38:00,285 --> 00:38:02,325
She hadn't experienced,
you know,
789
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,330
that degree
of consistent rejection
790
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:06,540
and failure
and disappointment.
791
00:38:06,619 --> 00:38:09,369
Her ultimate dream
was always to write books
792
00:38:09,452 --> 00:38:11,292
or for The New Yorker.
793
00:38:11,369 --> 00:38:15,579
She also really,
really wanted a child.
794
00:38:18,494 --> 00:38:21,704
Four years after we got married,
our daughter was born.
795
00:38:21,786 --> 00:38:25,036
-MICHELLE: Alice, hi.
-(ALICE COOS)
796
00:38:25,577 --> 00:38:26,577
MICHELLE: Hi.
797
00:38:26,661 --> 00:38:28,121
It was so amazing.
798
00:38:28,202 --> 00:38:32,542
-MICHELLE: Look at... (LAUGHS)
-(PATTON HUMMING)
799
00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:37,615
MICHELLE: Oh, Alice. (LAUGHS)
800
00:38:37,702 --> 00:38:41,042
PATTON: And I think Alice
was about two or three
801
00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:44,658
when Michelle was meticulously
due diligence researching
802
00:38:44,744 --> 00:38:47,124
about, you know, EAR/ONS.
803
00:38:47,202 --> 00:38:51,912
MICHELLE: In Sacramento,
the air is immediately better.
804
00:38:51,993 --> 00:38:55,493
Struck by the big, open spaces.
805
00:38:55,577 --> 00:38:58,697
A little over half a million,
or about half a million people,
806
00:38:58,786 --> 00:38:59,826
but feels--
807
00:38:59,911 --> 00:39:02,121
coming from Los Angeles,
feels so much smaller.
808
00:39:08,827 --> 00:39:10,237
WAITRESS:
How are you doing in here?
809
00:39:10,327 --> 00:39:13,447
MICHELLE: I'm good.
Um, I might have--
810
00:39:13,535 --> 00:39:15,535
Okay, this is crazy.
Can I have one more latte?
811
00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:17,409
-WAITRESS: Of course.
-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
812
00:39:17,494 --> 00:39:18,994
-WAITRESS: Got it.
-MICHELLE: All right.
813
00:39:19,077 --> 00:39:22,237
-But this was really yummy.
-WAITRESS: Good.
814
00:39:24,243 --> 00:39:27,993
When Michelle interviewed me,
we met for breakfast
815
00:39:28,077 --> 00:39:34,077
down at the Citizen Hotel
in Downtown Sacramento.
816
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,410
Talking about the attack
is difficult, but Michelle,
817
00:39:38,494 --> 00:39:42,244
she was so serious
about the case.
818
00:39:42,327 --> 00:39:45,537
She was just the easiest person
to talk to.
819
00:39:45,619 --> 00:39:48,199
MICHELLE:
So, I'm from suburban Chicago.
820
00:39:48,285 --> 00:39:50,575
So all of this
is so foreign to me.
821
00:39:50,661 --> 00:39:51,741
But what I wanted--
822
00:39:51,827 --> 00:39:54,577
I'm trying to get back
into sort of the mindset.
823
00:39:54,661 --> 00:39:56,951
A lot of people will say
824
00:39:57,952 --> 00:40:03,242
that the EAR crimes--
825
00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:04,992
crime period--
826
00:40:05,077 --> 00:40:09,077
was kind of the end of innocence
for Sacramento.
827
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,330
♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
828
00:40:16,993 --> 00:40:18,583
FIONA WILLIAMS:
We have the confluence
829
00:40:18,661 --> 00:40:21,451
of the American
and Sacramento Rivers.
830
00:40:21,535 --> 00:40:24,445
It was built up
being a commerce center,
831
00:40:24,535 --> 00:40:26,985
and it became
the state capital.
832
00:40:27,077 --> 00:40:31,617
We have both Mather Field
and McClellan Air Base.
833
00:40:31,702 --> 00:40:35,492
So military was a big aspect
of the economy
834
00:40:35,577 --> 00:40:37,577
and the people who lived here.
835
00:40:37,661 --> 00:40:40,871
Back in those days, you did
know more of your neighbors,
836
00:40:40,952 --> 00:40:43,742
people didn't lock
all their doors
837
00:40:43,827 --> 00:40:46,697
or their cars, necessarily,
all the time.
838
00:40:46,786 --> 00:40:49,406
And terrible crime
839
00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:53,624
was just not that common.
840
00:40:56,702 --> 00:40:58,332
RICHARD SHELBY:
Seventies Sacramento,
841
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,120
being a cop was
like a cop anywhere else.
842
00:41:02,202 --> 00:41:04,082
It was pretty slow.
843
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,950
And then June comes along,
and you got this pervert
844
00:41:07,035 --> 00:41:08,865
later known as
the East Area Rapist.
845
00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:15,952
I responded to a home invasion,
a rape, 1976, October 5th.
846
00:41:16,035 --> 00:41:18,785
Jane Carson
over at Wood Parkway.
847
00:41:18,869 --> 00:41:21,789
At the time the East Area
rape cases started,
848
00:41:21,869 --> 00:41:23,409
I was working homicide.
849
00:41:23,494 --> 00:41:24,874
And I think
it was the fifth case
850
00:41:24,952 --> 00:41:28,872
I was called to the scene on,
which was Jane Carson.
851
00:41:28,952 --> 00:41:31,122
What's the feelings
that you're going through,
852
00:41:31,202 --> 00:41:33,662
and wondering
whether you did the right thing
853
00:41:33,744 --> 00:41:35,744
or whether you did
the wrong thing
854
00:41:35,827 --> 00:41:38,447
and could you have done
anything any differently.
855
00:41:38,535 --> 00:41:42,115
And I think you handled
the situation very well.
856
00:41:42,202 --> 00:41:44,452
JANE CARSON: Well,
I had thought of kicking him,
857
00:41:44,535 --> 00:41:46,115
but it would've been useless,
858
00:41:46,202 --> 00:41:48,082
as my hands were tied
and I was blindfolded
859
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,240
-and my child was with me.
-CAROL: Okay.
860
00:41:51,744 --> 00:41:54,164
RICHARD:
When the husband left for work,
861
00:41:54,243 --> 00:41:56,743
the rapist was in their house
and on her.
862
00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:59,657
He knew down to the minute
what was going on
863
00:41:59,744 --> 00:42:02,914
in Jane's house
and the neighborhood.
864
00:42:02,993 --> 00:42:04,743
When I left there that day,
I was convinced
865
00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:06,907
that this probably wasn't
just a routine rape.
866
00:42:06,993 --> 00:42:08,493
In fact, I know it wasn't.
867
00:42:08,577 --> 00:42:10,987
And then I started
digging in deeper.
868
00:42:11,077 --> 00:42:13,077
In the meantime, we have
a couple more rapes.
869
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,450
At that point,
there's no question
870
00:42:14,535 --> 00:42:18,365
we had a serial rapist.
He had a definite pattern.
871
00:42:18,452 --> 00:42:21,582
CAROL: When we realized that
we first had a series going,
872
00:42:21,661 --> 00:42:24,701
the sheriff did not want
the media to be aware of it.
873
00:42:24,786 --> 00:42:26,696
Because we didn't
have anything.
874
00:42:26,786 --> 00:42:29,696
Because of what was
happening within the rapes,
875
00:42:29,786 --> 00:42:31,656
he didn't want the word
to get out
876
00:42:31,744 --> 00:42:33,294
to make fear in the community.
877
00:42:33,369 --> 00:42:36,119
We just-- we just weren't ready
to handle anything coming in.
878
00:42:36,202 --> 00:42:38,452
You know, we didn't have
that many people working it.
879
00:42:40,118 --> 00:42:41,908
MELANIE:
"This is attack number eight.
880
00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,203
And this victim was accosted
outside of her house
881
00:42:45,285 --> 00:42:48,155
as she drove her car
into the driveway.
882
00:42:48,243 --> 00:42:52,373
She was taken into the backyard
of her neighbor's house,
883
00:42:52,452 --> 00:42:57,492
and there were strips of cloth
already laid out for ligatures.
884
00:42:57,577 --> 00:42:59,537
Her ankles were tied with cord.
885
00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,449
She was blindfolded, gagged.
886
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,115
Jingling her car keys,
887
00:43:03,202 --> 00:43:05,912
the EAR said
he'd be back in five minutes.
888
00:43:05,993 --> 00:43:08,663
Car was reportedly
found in the area
889
00:43:08,744 --> 00:43:11,084
with the dog
locked in the trunk."
890
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,740
CAROL:
The media became aware of it.
891
00:43:12,827 --> 00:43:15,117
The sheriff said,
"Please don't print anything,
892
00:43:15,202 --> 00:43:16,792
we're gonna catch this guy."
893
00:43:16,869 --> 00:43:19,909
And then as time went on
and we didn't catch the guy,
894
00:43:19,993 --> 00:43:23,413
the media, uh, said, "Okay,
we're gonna start printing."
895
00:43:23,494 --> 00:43:27,334
That was when the whole
community was brought in.
896
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:29,580
MELANIE: What happened
right after number eight
897
00:43:29,661 --> 00:43:31,701
on 11-3-76,
898
00:43:31,786 --> 00:43:33,736
the rape series came to light
899
00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:36,237
during this meeting
on crime prevention.
900
00:43:36,327 --> 00:43:38,787
There were 500 people
in attendance.
901
00:43:38,869 --> 00:43:40,539
You can use
a simple alarm system.
902
00:43:40,619 --> 00:43:43,739
Mount a bell device
on the outside of your home.
903
00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:46,577
String some wires
to a power source
904
00:43:46,661 --> 00:43:49,241
and then string
the other set of wires
905
00:43:49,327 --> 00:43:52,537
right to a nightstand
and have a toggle switch there.
906
00:43:52,619 --> 00:43:54,619
If you ever hear
the glass breaking,
907
00:43:54,702 --> 00:43:57,412
reach over on your nightstand
and flip the switch,
908
00:43:57,494 --> 00:44:00,124
the bell goes off
on the outside.
909
00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,872
MELANIE:
Other than by word of mouth,
910
00:44:01,952 --> 00:44:03,292
where people might be talking
911
00:44:03,369 --> 00:44:05,159
about a neighbor
that had been raped,
912
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:08,953
there wasn't a lot
of information until this time.
913
00:44:09,035 --> 00:44:13,655
On 11-4-76, the first
newspaper article on the EAR
914
00:44:13,744 --> 00:44:16,544
appears in the Sacramento Bee.
915
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:18,289
RICHARD: Warren Holloway
was a reporter.
916
00:44:18,369 --> 00:44:21,239
And I'd put a little
one-paragraph note
out to the detectives.
917
00:44:21,327 --> 00:44:23,867
"Got a rape series going
in the East Area."
918
00:44:23,993 --> 00:44:25,163
And he walked out, he saw that.
919
00:44:25,243 --> 00:44:27,663
The next day on the newspaper,
"East Area Rapist."
920
00:44:27,744 --> 00:44:29,834
It just got picked up
and there it was,
921
00:44:29,911 --> 00:44:30,991
"East Area Rapist."
922
00:44:31,077 --> 00:44:33,327
MELANIE: Three weeks
after attack number eight,
923
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:34,540
where it was announced,
924
00:44:34,619 --> 00:44:37,119
there was a town hall meeting
in Rancho Cordova.
925
00:44:37,202 --> 00:44:41,622
Of the 35 that attended,
only one of those was a male.
926
00:44:43,077 --> 00:44:44,577
Following two weeks later,
927
00:44:44,661 --> 00:44:46,831
"Publicity May Have
Curtailed Rapist"
928
00:44:46,911 --> 00:44:49,661
is written
in the Sacramento Bee.
929
00:44:49,744 --> 00:44:52,244
Then he has his tenth attack.
930
00:44:54,202 --> 00:44:56,122
LARRY: A lot of people
don't realize this,
931
00:44:56,202 --> 00:44:59,872
but six rapes in Sacramento,
932
00:44:59,952 --> 00:45:01,372
out of the first ten,
933
00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,786
six of them were teenagers.
934
00:45:04,869 --> 00:45:07,619
And two of them
were 15 years old.
935
00:45:08,911 --> 00:45:10,791
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪
936
00:45:10,869 --> 00:45:12,659
(CAR DOOR OPENING)
937
00:45:22,285 --> 00:45:26,535
KRIS PEDRETTI: This one here
is probably, um, Christmas Day,
938
00:45:26,619 --> 00:45:29,119
which, so it'd be a week
after it happened.
939
00:45:37,118 --> 00:45:39,038
It was December 18th.
940
00:45:39,118 --> 00:45:42,738
There was a high school dance,
and I had a cold.
941
00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:46,697
So at the last minute,
I decided to stay at home.
942
00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:49,656
Uh, my parents were going
to a Christmas party
943
00:45:49,744 --> 00:45:51,544
and my sister was at work.
944
00:45:52,702 --> 00:45:55,582
My parents left
probably around 6:30-ish.
945
00:45:55,661 --> 00:45:58,371
And I think
I put a pizza in the oven,
946
00:45:58,452 --> 00:46:00,542
I remember
having my slippers on,
947
00:46:00,619 --> 00:46:02,829
and I decided
to go play the piano.
948
00:46:10,118 --> 00:46:15,158
I heard a noise,
but at 15 years old,
949
00:46:15,243 --> 00:46:16,663
you always hear noises
in your house
950
00:46:16,744 --> 00:46:17,994
when your parents aren't home.
951
00:46:18,077 --> 00:46:20,197
So I didn't think much of it.
952
00:46:20,285 --> 00:46:21,695
I stopped.
953
00:46:21,786 --> 00:46:24,826
I do remember stopping
and listening and...
954
00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,907
uh, didn't hear anything else,
so I continued to play.
955
00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:37,537
It wasn't very much longer,
maybe a couple minutes,
956
00:46:37,619 --> 00:46:39,369
that I felt...
957
00:46:41,285 --> 00:46:45,115
um, a presence next to me.
958
00:46:45,202 --> 00:46:47,912
And I looked up and, um,
959
00:46:48,869 --> 00:46:50,869
then I felt a knife
at my throat.
960
00:46:58,035 --> 00:47:00,615
And then he told me in my ear,
you know,
961
00:47:00,702 --> 00:47:02,952
"If you scream or move,
962
00:47:03,035 --> 00:47:05,445
I will put this knife
through your throat
963
00:47:05,535 --> 00:47:07,235
and I'll be gone in the dark."
964
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,700
He moved me down the hallway,
through the garage,
965
00:47:15,786 --> 00:47:18,366
and into the backyard,
um...
966
00:47:21,702 --> 00:47:24,872
where I was left out
in the, uh...
967
00:47:25,744 --> 00:47:27,084
on a picnic bench
968
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,200
while he went back
into the house.
969
00:47:29,285 --> 00:47:32,405
And he told me he'd be
watching me every 10 seconds.
970
00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:40,042
He, uh, came back outside
971
00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:42,738
and that is where
he cut my clothes off.
972
00:47:48,077 --> 00:47:51,617
He would bring me inside
and he would rape me,
973
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:53,792
take me back outside,
974
00:47:53,869 --> 00:47:57,409
inside, rape me again,
back outside.
975
00:47:57,494 --> 00:47:58,914
And then another time.
976
00:48:01,285 --> 00:48:02,325
Yeah. (CHUCKLES)
977
00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:07,660
So that was my first,
um, memory of that.
978
00:48:07,744 --> 00:48:08,834
Um...
979
00:48:08,911 --> 00:48:12,791
(KETTLE WHISTLING)
980
00:48:18,118 --> 00:48:20,948
I think during
that time though, I was--
981
00:48:21,035 --> 00:48:23,695
there wasn't a lot of feeling
going on.
982
00:48:23,786 --> 00:48:25,696
I was pretty numb.
983
00:48:25,786 --> 00:48:28,906
And, uh--
but what I do remember
984
00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:34,543
is he had moved the couch
very close to our fireplace.
985
00:48:34,619 --> 00:48:38,789
But because I was blindfolded
and couldn't see,
986
00:48:38,869 --> 00:48:43,199
I thought he had caught
our couch on fire.
987
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:47,330
And I think
that was probably, uh...
988
00:48:48,452 --> 00:48:50,412
that was--
that was really scary.
989
00:48:50,494 --> 00:48:53,744
Because I thought
I was gonna die.
990
00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:56,987
Um... and then he was gone.
991
00:48:57,911 --> 00:49:00,491
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
992
00:49:03,744 --> 00:49:05,584
KRIS:
I stopped playing the piano
993
00:49:05,661 --> 00:49:07,831
shortly after the attack.
994
00:49:09,494 --> 00:49:12,584
It was difficult for me to play
995
00:49:12,661 --> 00:49:16,541
because I always
felt like there was...
996
00:49:17,118 --> 00:49:18,538
somebody behind me.
997
00:49:21,744 --> 00:49:26,544
It was just a few hours,
but it changed everything.
998
00:49:28,202 --> 00:49:30,292
REPORTER: It had been a month
since he last struck,
999
00:49:30,369 --> 00:49:31,909
but he has struck again.
1000
00:49:31,993 --> 00:49:34,333
This time,
it was a 15-year-old girl.
1001
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,290
Again, it was in a northeast
Sacramento neighborhood.
1002
00:49:37,369 --> 00:49:39,289
Again, he knew she was alone,
1003
00:49:39,369 --> 00:49:41,989
forced his way in using a knife
to threaten her,
1004
00:49:42,077 --> 00:49:44,287
and raped her repeatedly
for several hours,
1005
00:49:44,369 --> 00:49:47,039
and forced her to perform
perverted sex acts.
1006
00:49:47,118 --> 00:49:49,448
The latest victim
was younger than the others
1007
00:49:49,535 --> 00:49:51,445
and the attack took place
early in the evening,
1008
00:49:51,535 --> 00:49:54,735
where the others took place
between 11:00 at night and dawn.
1009
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:57,077
But it definitely
was the same rapist
1010
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,740
who has eluded authorities
for over a year.
1011
00:50:04,661 --> 00:50:06,871
NANCY: When Michelle and I
talked about this story,
1012
00:50:06,952 --> 00:50:08,992
it was one of those things
that you just kind of
1013
00:50:09,077 --> 00:50:10,947
keep thinking about
and keep thinking about.
1014
00:50:11,035 --> 00:50:14,115
Michelle had already done an
incredible amount of research.
1015
00:50:14,202 --> 00:50:17,332
And I remember thinking, "Okay.
We've got a few hurdles.
1016
00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:20,700
Um, I have to pitch this
to my editor-in-chief."
1017
00:50:20,786 --> 00:50:23,156
Everyone loves a story
about a killer. (CHUCKLES)
1018
00:50:23,243 --> 00:50:24,623
But in order
to get her interested,
1019
00:50:24,702 --> 00:50:28,332
I had to convince her
that this story was relevant now
1020
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,330
and that it was, like,
1021
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:32,160
a Los Angeles
and a California story.
1022
00:50:32,243 --> 00:50:34,703
Michelle was an incredible
intrepid reporter.
1023
00:50:34,786 --> 00:50:37,156
As we were sort of trying
to put the pitch together,
1024
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,913
she would go on her own
and just research things.
1025
00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:41,373
You could be
completely confident
1026
00:50:41,452 --> 00:50:43,412
that she was going
to come back with something,
1027
00:50:43,494 --> 00:50:44,414
something good.
1028
00:50:44,494 --> 00:50:45,744
And not just get
the facts right,
1029
00:50:45,827 --> 00:50:48,287
but also be able to have
that relationship
1030
00:50:48,369 --> 00:50:50,369
with that person
that she would need.
1031
00:50:50,452 --> 00:50:52,292
That no one else could get to.
1032
00:50:56,702 --> 00:50:59,952
MICHELLE: I pitched
LA Magazine the EAR story.
1033
00:51:00,035 --> 00:51:02,195
And they're interested
in doing it, possibly,
1034
00:51:02,285 --> 00:51:04,035
which would be amazing.
I mean, that would be like
1035
00:51:04,118 --> 00:51:06,578
the kind of publicity
that just-- you can't buy.
1036
00:51:06,661 --> 00:51:08,791
You know?
I mean, I just think this story
1037
00:51:08,869 --> 00:51:10,579
-is so important to be told.
-MELANIE: It is.
1038
00:51:10,661 --> 00:51:12,451
MICHELLE: I mean, it's--
it gets me that this person--
1039
00:51:12,535 --> 00:51:15,035
-I just feel like he's smirking
somewhere, going like...
-MELANIE: Yeah.
1040
00:51:15,118 --> 00:51:17,488
-MICHELLE: ..."I don't have to
pay for this ever."
-Fuck him.
1041
00:51:17,577 --> 00:51:22,447
If there's any way I could
look at whatever you have,
1042
00:51:22,535 --> 00:51:25,575
and I won't copy anything, I
just look at it and take notes
1043
00:51:25,661 --> 00:51:27,241
and then give it
back to you tomorrow?
1044
00:51:27,327 --> 00:51:30,447
At least then I can say
I saw case files.
1045
00:51:30,535 --> 00:51:32,235
MELANIE: Can I...
1046
00:51:32,327 --> 00:51:35,117
let you, while you're here,
look at some stuff?
1047
00:51:36,494 --> 00:51:37,744
MICHELLE: Um...
1048
00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:40,697
MELANIE: Because
I've sworn confidentiality,
1049
00:51:40,786 --> 00:51:42,656
that I would never, uh,
1050
00:51:43,661 --> 00:51:45,081
release it
out of my possession.
1051
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,700
MICHELLE:
Right. Yeah. I mean,
1052
00:51:46,786 --> 00:51:48,486
so what you're thinking
is that I could sit there...
1053
00:51:48,577 --> 00:51:50,407
-MELANIE: You could sit there
and go through them.
-Okay.
1054
00:51:50,494 --> 00:51:52,374
-MELANIE: I just can't
let them leave my home.
1055
00:51:52,452 --> 00:51:55,742
MICHELLE: Right. How many pages
are there all together, like?
1056
00:51:55,827 --> 00:51:57,487
MELANIE:
Probably four or five thousand.
1057
00:51:57,577 --> 00:51:59,077
-MICHELLE: Oh, my God.
-MELANIE: Yeah, it's big.
1058
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,990
-MICHELLE: Yeah.
-MELANIE: It's all the rapes.
1059
00:52:01,077 --> 00:52:03,367
-MICHELLE: Right.
-It's every-- all 50 rapes.
1060
00:52:03,452 --> 00:52:04,542
MICHELLE: Wow.
1061
00:52:11,285 --> 00:52:12,535
MICHELLE: Wow.
1062
00:52:16,577 --> 00:52:18,697
MELANIE:
1063
00:52:18,786 --> 00:52:20,366
MICHELLE:
These underground trades,
1064
00:52:20,452 --> 00:52:21,872
the result of furtive alliances
1065
00:52:21,952 --> 00:52:25,452
forged from a shared obsession
with a faceless serial killer,
1066
00:52:25,535 --> 00:52:26,985
were common.
1067
00:52:27,077 --> 00:52:29,617
Online sleuths,
retired detectives,
1068
00:52:29,702 --> 00:52:32,952
and active detectives,
everyone participated.
1069
00:52:33,035 --> 00:52:34,235
(CAR BEEPS)
1070
00:52:36,911 --> 00:52:39,161
(CELL PHONE PINGS)
1071
00:52:45,577 --> 00:52:50,237
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪
1072
00:52:50,327 --> 00:52:52,157
MICHELLE:
The grandiose seeker in me
1073
00:52:52,243 --> 00:52:55,163
couldn't wait to insert
the flash drive into my laptop
1074
00:52:55,243 --> 00:52:56,413
back at my hotel.
1075
00:52:58,202 --> 00:52:59,332
At every stoplight,
1076
00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,870
I touched the top pocket
in my backpack
1077
00:53:01,952 --> 00:53:05,082
to make sure the tiny rectangle
was still there.
1078
00:53:09,494 --> 00:53:12,294
Once in my room,
I immediately changed
1079
00:53:12,369 --> 00:53:14,869
into the crisp
white hotel bathrobe.
1080
00:53:14,952 --> 00:53:17,792
I lowered the shades
and turned off my phone.
1081
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:22,370
I dumped a bag of minibar
gummy bears into a glass
1082
00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:23,952
and set it
next to me on the bed,
1083
00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:27,325
where I sat cross-legged
in front of my laptop.
1084
00:53:29,827 --> 00:53:32,947
Ahead of me
was a rare 24-hour stretch
1085
00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:36,405
without interference
or distraction.
1086
00:53:36,494 --> 00:53:40,664
No tiny hands slicked with
paint asking to be washed.
1087
00:53:40,744 --> 00:53:44,954
No preoccupied hungry husband
to inquire about dinner.
1088
00:53:46,202 --> 00:53:51,202
I inserted the flash drive,
my mind in mail sorter mode,
1089
00:53:51,285 --> 00:53:54,535
my index finger
on the down arrow key.
1090
00:53:54,619 --> 00:53:58,239
I began to not so much read
as devour.
1091
00:54:02,535 --> 00:54:05,285
Drainage ditches
and cement-lined canals
1092
00:54:05,369 --> 00:54:07,989
come up frequently
in the police reports.
1093
00:54:10,285 --> 00:54:11,865
It's clear from the start,
1094
00:54:11,952 --> 00:54:15,202
from footprints, evidence,
suspicious sightings,
1095
00:54:15,285 --> 00:54:18,235
and even bringing
one victim down there,
1096
00:54:18,327 --> 00:54:21,367
that the East Area Rapist
traveled this way,
1097
00:54:21,452 --> 00:54:24,622
like a subterranean creature.
1098
00:54:24,702 --> 00:54:29,202
He was doing reconnaissance.
He was studying people.
1099
00:54:29,993 --> 00:54:31,953
Learning when they were home.
1100
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040
That means that women exist
1101
00:54:35,118 --> 00:54:38,238
who, because of change
of schedule or luck,
1102
00:54:38,327 --> 00:54:40,487
were never victims.
1103
00:54:40,577 --> 00:54:43,407
But they felt
something terrifying
1104
00:54:43,494 --> 00:54:44,874
brush against them.
1105
00:54:49,993 --> 00:54:53,703
Hours vanished.
The gummy bears were gone.
1106
00:54:55,202 --> 00:54:58,042
I was jittery from sugar,
hunger,
1107
00:54:58,118 --> 00:55:00,448
and spending too much time
alone in the dark
1108
00:55:00,535 --> 00:55:03,535
absorbing a 50-chapter
horror story.
1109
00:55:09,369 --> 00:55:12,119
Part of the thrill of the game
for him, I believe,
1110
00:55:12,202 --> 00:55:14,122
was a kind of
connect-the-dots puzzle
1111
00:55:14,202 --> 00:55:16,582
he played with people.
1112
00:55:16,661 --> 00:55:19,241
You may not think
you have something in common
1113
00:55:19,327 --> 00:55:20,867
with your neighbor,
1114
00:55:21,535 --> 00:55:22,695
but you do.
1115
00:55:24,035 --> 00:55:25,035
Me.
1116
00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:30,735
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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