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Thyme...
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No, the other "Time".
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Thank you. Much better.
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Time...
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For some, time is a wheel.
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An infinite repetition of what came
before and what is yet to come.
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Looping endlessly over and over.
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For others, time is an arrow.
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Pressing faithfully forward.
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We began Loki on February 10, 2020,
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at eight o'clock in the morning
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and wrapped production 299 days later.
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Approximately 7,176 hours.
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Or 430,560 minutes,
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working and breathing and
dreaming with the show.
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Take that number and whittle
it down with many clever edits,
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and you get six episodes.
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Totaling 280 minutes and
17 seconds of programming.
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Now, whittle the experience
down even further,
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and you get this one-hour...
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Give or take, documentary.
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A comparatively brief time capsule.
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A remembrance of things past.
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Given the constraints, we
shouldn't waste a single second.
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Let's go back to the beginning.
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At the end of the first day,
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I cannot believe that I'm doing this.
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I literally cannot
believe it's happening.
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Um, I first wore this
costume ten years ago.
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I can't believe I'm still wearing it.
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Um, and I'm so excited about this show.
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Um, I'm so grateful to all of you
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for everything you're gonna do on it.
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So, um, thank you for day one of 849.
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And onward we march.
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I remember going to see the
first Iron Man in 2008.
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And I was actually in Sweden,
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working on a project there
with Kenneth Branagh.
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And he went to see it the next weekend,
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and we both thought, "God,
Iron Man was extraordinary".
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And then he got the job
of directing Thor...
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I kind of joked about, you know...
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I think once we were on stage,
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and I came in with an empty water cooler
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and pretended it was the hammer of Thor.
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He was able to invite me to audition
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'cause he knew that it was going to be
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a huge opportunity for so many people.
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It's a long time since
I've seen you smile.
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I remember, as clear
as day, the first auditions.
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I almost remember the scenes.
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There was a scene between two brothers,
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and they couldn't reveal
the character names.
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One was called Michael,
the other was called Lucas.
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I believe I learned both sets of lines.
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So you're saying...
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that our friends will stand
with me in defending our home,
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but my own brother will not?
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And then a month later,
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Chris Hemsworth and I got
the call on the same day.
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Chris and I got together, and
the moment I met him, I thought...
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"This is the beginning of the
most extraordinary journey.
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"And I don't know
where it's going to go,
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but I really like this person.
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"This could be something".
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From that point on, I
just threw myself at it.
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I threw my whole soul at it.
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Tom is a fan favorite.
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People loved what he's brought
to the character Loki.
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He's a character that has always
found a way to come back organically
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in new, and interesting,
and exciting ways.
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Your savior is here!
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As we were looking
for the kind of stories
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we wanted to tell on Disney Plus,
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Tom just seemed like a real no-brainer
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because of the richness
of that character
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and the depth of that fan base.
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Something happened after Avengers One.
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That's when I realized
that Loki as a character
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had taken on a life of its own
in the mind of the audience.
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So that by the time we
got to Comic-Con in 2013,
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Kevin Feige had this idea that I should
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go out on stage in character.
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And I said to him, "That's
insane and amazing.
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"I'm in. Let's go".
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It was a moment in time
that is unrepeatable.
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I don't think I'll ever have a
moment like that ever again.
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It was like stepping off...
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Somehow out of the environment,
into the world, as the character.
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And hearing and feeling
the energy in that room
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was something I will never forget.
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Say my name.
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- Loki!
- Say my name!
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- Loki!
- Say my name!
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Loki!
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And I think after that,
it was, very generously,
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that Kevin Feige, and Louis D'Esposito,
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and Victoria Alonso at Marvel thought,
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"Well, Loki's got to hang around
for a bit longer".
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I, Loki, Prince of Asgard,
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Odinson, rightful king of Jotunheim,
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God of Mischief...
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I remember meeting
Joe and Anthony Russo.
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And they said, "Infinity War is in...
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"It's a labyrinthine thing,
and everyone's involved.
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"And we're trying to
refine what happens in it.
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"There are some things we're
not sure of yet. However...
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we are sure that the
opening of this film
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is Loki giving the Tesseract to Thanos".
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You really are the worst brother.
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"After which he is executed".
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And I looked at Kevin, and I said...
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"So, that's it?"
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And he was like, "Yep".
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No resurrections this time.
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It's gonna be an extraordinary
moment because...
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Immediately, you believe
in the power of Thanos.
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That sacrifice meant something.
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And we didn't wanna undo that sacrifice,
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or suggest that it
never really happened,
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or some other sort of way
that felt like it might cheapen
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the real emotional weight
of that moment in that film.
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We knew we wanted to tell
more stories with Tom.
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On my way down to
coordinate search and rescue.
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"On my way down to
coordinate search and rescue".
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I mean, honestly, how do
you keep your food down...
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Shut up.
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As Endgame was coming
together, the idea that,
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throughout the time travel misadventures
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of the Avengers, something goes wrong...
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No stairs!
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Tom grabs the Cube and disappears.
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It's a complication in that movie that
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really sets our heroes
on their back foot.
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One of the things that's
interesting is, it's not dealt with.
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We have no idea where that goes.
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One of the things that Kevin Feige
and myself were talking about was,
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"Could that be a jumping-off point
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for a new way to tell a Loki story?"
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Variant identified.
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I beg your pardon?
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TV has always been
the medium of the anti-hero.
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You think about the great anti-heroes
like Don Draper or Tony Soprano.
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There's enough time
to kind of understand
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what some people might call
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"the bad guy" in another movie
or another type of story.
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So we really wanted to have
as much runway as possible
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to explore kind of what makes Loki tick.
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We did the math, and he's...
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Loki's been on screen
for less than two hours
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over the course of ten years,
and he's made this huge impact.
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And suddenly now, we have
six hours to tell this story.
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That's better.
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It's a serious show.
It's a dramatic show.
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It's a thrilling show.
It's a really wacky show.
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And it was just this
amazing team of writers,
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led by Michael Waldron,
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just trying to crack
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the world and the logic
of how this show works.
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"The TVA manages all of
time". What does that mean?
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You know, I think a lot of people,
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what they expected was, like,
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"This is gonna be Quantum Leap.
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This is gonna be Loki
riding with Paul Revere,
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influencing historical events".
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And my pitch from the first
time I met with those guys is,
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"Let's blow up what
people think the show is".
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How'd we do?
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When we were looking
for a director for this series,
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we had a lot of interested parties,
a lot of great conversations.
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Kate really rose above all of them
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because of her take on the material.
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I remember my agent
telling me, basically,
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"This is just, like, a friendly
kind of meet-and-greet.
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Do not prepare a pitch".
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I ignored that and I did,
like, a full-on pitch.
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She came in with
this shock-and-awe pitch
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that was the most amazing
pitch that I had ever seen,
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where it truly was the...
What the show has become.
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And I remember leaving that meeting
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feeling like this is a person
who understands the spirit
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of what we would love
to achieve with it.
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And wasn't just going
to execute those ideas,
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but that was going to
push them even further.
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All at the same time, lift your
weapons up towards these guys,
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like, ready to fight.
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I asked her, "What do you think,
Kate, that the show is about?"
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And she said, "I think
it's about self-acceptance.
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You got a character who doesn't
know how to change and grow.
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And we have this amazing
story that's actually about
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coming to terms with who you are".
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From that moment, I thought,
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"This woman knows
what she's doing. She's in".
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It was such a human, such a
deep insight, so simply put.
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I'm just a bit of a
cheeseball, to be honest.
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Like, I just... I love
that it's about self-love
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and, like, getting past your demons.
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And I think something I always try
and bring to everything I do is,
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digging into the emotion
and the truth of that,
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and sort of letting the
characters be ugly, in a way.
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For me, it feels a bit more real.
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Again, I think it's just,
like, don't be scared
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to tread on each other a bit.
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- Okay, okay, nice. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
- 'Cause it's like...
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- As long as it's okay that we overlap.
- Here we go. Picture up...
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She has so many real-life
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experiences that she puts into the show.
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She's worked in a lot of offices
that sound a lot like the TVA,
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so she would understand the buttons
to push to drive Loki crazy.
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Shh!
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The passage of time may be constant,
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but the sensation of time is not.
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An hour on the beach,
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basking in the briny
glow of utter freedom,
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feels very different from an hour-long
session in a dentist's chair.
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And yet, a minute is
a minute is a minute.
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We move forward one minute at
a time, one moment at a time...
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Stop...
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... whether we want to or not.
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It.
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- And for that...
- Stop it!
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... we can thank our tireless friends
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at the Time Variance Authority.
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There's an organization that goes back
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in the history of Marvel Comics
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called the Time Variance
Authority, the TVA.
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It's an organization that I've
long been fascinated with,
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just as I've paged through
comics at Marvel
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in the many years that I've been there.
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And I always knew that they could
have a very cool story to tell.
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The notion of this bureaucracy
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that basically controls
all of time and space.
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- Come on.
- Let's go.
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You're making a terrible mistake.
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He's the trickster, and
he's this prince of Asgard,
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this God of Mischief, who's had this
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somewhat villainous role to play.
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And we really just liked
the idea of plucking him,
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quite literally out of his own time
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and throwing him down in a place
where he doesn't know the rules.
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You see him first in
his Avengers costume.
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And so, that's this, you know,
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very elaborate sort of
fighting outfit, right?
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Absolutely not.
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This is fine Asgardian leather.
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So we wanted to just
do a real stark contrast.
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Just a very, like,
open it up with a bang.
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Now, hang on just a minute.
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Two... one... Action!
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We put him in a
standard-issue TVA jumpsuit
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and essentially, in that scene,
252
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break him down to his
most vulnerable core.
253
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Please, through the door.
254
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Oh, right. So the floor can drop out
255
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from under me as soon as I try to leave.
256
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Nice try. I'm ready for it this time.
257
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- That's not how this chamber works.
- Liar.
258
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You kind of wanted to give a
little insight into the character
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that wasn't just about the wall
of the superhero costume, right?
260
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You wanted to feel like
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you were penetrating some
layers into this character.
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You have no idea what I'm capable of!
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I... I think I might.
264
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Have an idea of what he's capable of.
265
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I remember sitting down with
Kevin Wright, the producer,
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and some of the writers,
267
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and they were telling me the story
of the show. And they were like,
268
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"So, there's this really interesting
character called Mobius and, um,
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he's kind of like an analyst in the TVA.
270
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And he's a great intellect,
and he's a scholar.
271
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And he kind of understands Loki.
272
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And he's able to show
him parts of himself
273
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he's never understood before".
274
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And I always thought, "God, I wonder
who's gonna play that part?"
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- And here he is.
- Here he is.
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The one and only.
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Let me ask you this. How...
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Thought you were leading up to, like,
279
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"And there's only one
person in my mind..."
280
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- There's only...
- "... who could play this".
281
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There's only one person.
282
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- Instead it was, "Who is it gonna be?"
- It was only ever...
283
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"Here he is".
284
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Well, when they first
spoke to me about Iron Man,
285
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I kind of wanted to let Marvel
get established a little bit.
286
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And so then when they talked to me
about Thor, and then about...
287
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uh, Captain America, and even Hulk,
288
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I was like, "Well, you
know, I don't know..."
289
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So, um, it... I'm just kidding.
290
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You know what's funny is, like,
even the name "Mobius", it's like...
291
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I just like that name.
292
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- It just is a cool...
- It's a great name. Yeah.
293
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So when people say,
"What are you doing?"
294
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And, you know, "What are you
doing in the Marvel Universe?"
295
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"No, I'm not wearing a cape. I'm
not... I don't have any superpowers.
296
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Other than the name 'Mobius',
which has a certain power to it".
297
00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:22,380
In a story about anti-heroes,
298
00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:26,545
the exciting thing about
Mobius was to play a guy
299
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who was really just kind of a
down-the-middle, old-school hero.
300
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Clock's always tickin'.
301
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Which is better than the alternative.
302
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He's the rascally detective.
303
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And such a good foil for Tom.
304
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How's training going?
305
00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:48,070
- Complete natural.
- Yeah?
306
00:14:48,570 --> 00:14:50,775
Learning about my jet ski there?
307
00:14:50,780 --> 00:14:55,075
It was great when I first got
down here to work in Atlanta
308
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because Tom... We sort of
called them "The Loki Lectures"
309
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that Tom would take us through
and work with me individually.
310
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Just going over the lore
311
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and everything that
he felt was important,
312
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and showing me clips and things.
313
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So that was really important
to me for understanding.
314
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And then also, I ended up
just sort of writing down
315
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some of the stuff he
said describing Loki.
316
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And I think that even worked its way
317
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sometimes into dialogue
that I would say.
318
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Glorious purpose.
319
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I remember Owen asking me
320
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what I loved about playing Loki.
321
00:15:36,130 --> 00:15:38,615
Like, never mind what was
great about the character,
322
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what other people could see.
323
00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:42,535
He was like, "Tom, what
do you love about it?
324
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What do you love about Loki?"
325
00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:46,335
And I heard myself saying,
326
00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:49,260
"He plays all the keys on the piano.
327
00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:54,135
So, he plays the light keys
and the major keys, all the...
328
00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:56,215
All the light, white notes up there.
329
00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:59,515
But he also plays the heavy
keys with the left hand.
330
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Those deep, profound chords
331
00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,270
which are full of sorrow,
and grief, and anger.
332
00:16:08,650 --> 00:16:12,985
And he's able to somehow make it...
333
00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:18,240
The music of Loki internally
has this breadth of the scale".
334
00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:23,075
Um, and Owen said, "That
sounds about right".
335
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,290
Enough.
336
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,460
Back in your cage.
337
00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:31,210
See, I can play the heavy keys, too.
338
00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:33,845
I had a nice conversation
339
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one day where I was talking with Tom.
340
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,805
And he quoted something, and
I said, "Is that Shakespeare?"
341
00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:41,465
And he said, "Yes, Hamlet".
342
00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:44,725
And I was proud just that
I got the Shakespeare part.
343
00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:47,645
And then I said, "Have
you played Hamlet?"
344
00:16:47,650 --> 00:16:52,105
And he said, yes, he had.
That, in fact, Kenneth Branagh
345
00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:56,195
directed him in some
performances of Hamlet.
346
00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,235
And he described what that was
like and how rewarding it was,
347
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,285
and I was just listening.
348
00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:04,670
And, um, when he finished,
and this is, I guess,
349
00:17:04,675 --> 00:17:07,285
that sort of English politeness,
350
00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:09,705
uh, there was a slight sort of pause.
351
00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:12,755
And then he said, "Have you
ever played Hamlet?"
352
00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,675
Uh, and it's the first
time, uh, that, uh...
353
00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,345
That someone I've worked with
354
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:23,265
has ever even thought to ask
me if that was a possibility.
355
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:27,555
Because I can't imagine Ben
Stiller ever having wondered,
356
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,855
"God, has Owen ever played Hamlet?"
357
00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:31,940
If you had to do a Shakespeare play...
358
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what would you choose?
359
00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:37,990
Two Gentlemen of Verona, I think.
360
00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:44,695
Do you know it well?
361
00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,205
Tom almost was able to
keep a straight face.
362
00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:49,075
- By heart.
- That's when I felt like...
363
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,795
When he was asking the question,
"Have you played Hamlet?"
364
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,295
That's, like... He was just, like...
365
00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:57,255
Just being so polite about it.
366
00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:58,505
- But...
- You never know.
367
00:17:58,510 --> 00:18:00,425
- You could've played it at school...
- Yeah.
368
00:18:00,430 --> 00:18:01,545
... in a school production.
369
00:18:01,550 --> 00:18:03,855
- Yeah. What one could I...
- You know most of it.
370
00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:05,875
He knows most of Hamlet.
People don't know that.
371
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,295
- You know it by heart.
- No.
372
00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:09,135
- That's not true.
- You know some of it.
373
00:18:09,140 --> 00:18:11,365
- As You Like It?
- "Cease to persuade, loving Proteus.
374
00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:14,275
"Home-keeping youth
have ever homely wit".
375
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,065
That's the first line from Two
Gentlemen of Verona, I think.
376
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:20,195
Which, I don't know the play,
377
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,405
but in college, I took
a Shakespeare class.
378
00:18:24,410 --> 00:18:28,205
D�j? vu. Yeah, time moves a
little differently here in the TVA.
379
00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:29,836
I think something that
me and Owen spoke about
380
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,245
at the very beginning was
381
00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:33,485
he really wanted to,
like, get out of himself.
382
00:18:33,490 --> 00:18:37,045
And I think a key thing
for that was the wig.
383
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,505
Obviously, we wanted to keep
the moustache for Mobius
384
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:42,135
'cause that's so key to
his character in the comics
385
00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,135
and the artist that he's based on.
386
00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:46,715
You gonna keep this? Or is
this gonna stay in your life?
387
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,595
Well, I've gotten a lot of
compliments on this moustache.
388
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,475
- It's very dashing, I think.
- "Dashing" is the word that
389
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,855
a lot of people have used. So I might...
390
00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:56,395
- I can't afford...
- "Dapper".
391
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,025
"Dapper". I don't think
392
00:18:58,030 --> 00:19:00,235
- I can afford to shave this.
- "Smart". Yep.
393
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,905
- This might be from...
- "Fancy".
394
00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:05,615
From here on out when you see ol' OCW,
395
00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:08,555
you might... see him with a mustache.
396
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,895
I really like the whole look.
397
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,205
And maybe it's a little bit sort
of like that feeling as a kid
398
00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:15,745
when you're kind of make believe.
399
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:17,920
Come on, gear up.
There's been an attack.
400
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,095
Well, that's why I like this hat,
401
00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:23,385
because this feels
a little bit like a...
402
00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:25,965
A gumshoe from kind of the '40s,
403
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:29,475
which I feel like this
"TVA" is a bit like.
404
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,520
I just wanted him to look completely
405
00:19:31,525 --> 00:19:33,975
like off-the-rack detective.
406
00:19:33,980 --> 00:19:38,105
Almost as if he, you know,
just found his clothing
407
00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:40,105
through the lost and found at the TVA.
408
00:19:40,110 --> 00:19:43,570
"Insubordinate,
stubborn, unpredictable".
409
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,015
Sounds like someone else I know.
410
00:19:46,020 --> 00:19:48,405
I was just thinking it sounds
like someone I know.
411
00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:50,990
We always had the Time-Keepers
412
00:19:50,995 --> 00:19:54,025
as kind of this big, omnipotent threat,
413
00:19:54,030 --> 00:19:57,130
antagonistic force in the TVA.
414
00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:00,045
But as we were writing the series,
415
00:20:00,050 --> 00:20:05,045
we realized we probably need
a more on-the-ground threat.
416
00:20:05,050 --> 00:20:08,055
And that really took the
form of Judge Renslayer.
417
00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:11,885
You ridiculous bureaucrats will
not dictate how my story ends!
418
00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:15,265
It's not your story, Mr.
Laufeyson. It never was.
419
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:16,985
Judge Renslayer, played
420
00:20:16,990 --> 00:20:20,605
with such poise, and
authority, and power
421
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:23,025
by Gugu Mbatha-Raw,
422
00:20:23,030 --> 00:20:27,195
is the TVA's Chief Justice.
423
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,525
Hey!
424
00:20:29,790 --> 00:20:32,455
I loved the dimensions of Renslayer.
425
00:20:32,460 --> 00:20:34,995
I felt like people who know
the comics know who she is,
426
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,645
but she's never been
interpreted before, you know.
427
00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:41,665
So, there is a sense that you
are really getting to create her.
428
00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:43,845
And I just love the depths that she has
429
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:45,255
and the layers that she has.
430
00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:47,135
And I think that she's powerful.
431
00:20:47,140 --> 00:20:49,345
She's well respected.
She's worked her way up.
432
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:50,425
There's our Variant.
433
00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:53,425
I don't think I've ever played
such an authoritative character.
434
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:56,265
You know what would happen if
we didn't prune the Timeline?
435
00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:58,435
- What?
- Chaos. Death.
436
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,015
Free will?
437
00:21:00,020 --> 00:21:01,605
Free will?
438
00:21:01,610 --> 00:21:04,145
Only one person gets free will.
439
00:21:04,150 --> 00:21:05,280
The one in charge.
440
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,785
We are here in my office...
441
00:21:12,790 --> 00:21:16,365
Uh, Ravonna Renslayer,
Judge Renslayer's office.
442
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:19,165
Uh, and this is... This
is an incredible set.
443
00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:21,745
And obviously we can't
fully see right behind us,
444
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:25,465
but between the Time-Keepers right here,
445
00:21:25,470 --> 00:21:30,505
um, there's an amazing view,
um, of the whole of the TVA.
446
00:21:30,510 --> 00:21:34,725
And it's really, um... It's
really a powerful space.
447
00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:37,765
I love it. And it's got that
mid-century warmth to it.
448
00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:40,440
I really feel like I've bonded
with the space.
449
00:21:42,820 --> 00:21:47,015
We all just knew
we wanted to build sets.
450
00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:54,575
The TVA just lent itself to a
tactile, real, grounded feeling.
451
00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:58,075
You wanted to see the rings
of coffee on papers and desks.
452
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,000
And like, to do that, you just...
You have to build the world.
453
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:05,665
For the record, this really does feel
like a killing-me kind of a room.
454
00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:08,425
You wanna have this kind
of Big-Brother-is-watching vibe
455
00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:10,755
with the TVA, that the
Time-Keepers are always watching.
456
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,055
And it has this beautiful, big
statues of the Time-Keepers,
457
00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:15,925
'cause they are gods, essentially.
458
00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:19,145
But I love the idea of marrying that
with the Mad Men aesthetic,
459
00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:22,185
because, you know, we think that
they're good guys, and it's stylish.
460
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:23,690
Home sweet home.
461
00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:28,235
I thought there was no magic here.
462
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,490
There isn't.
463
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:33,075
We talked a lot about
fun sci-fi bureaucracies,
464
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,535
things like Defending Your
Life, or Beetlejuice,
465
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:38,535
or Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
466
00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:42,585
They've all been great touchstones
for this massive organization
467
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:46,665
that feels kind of stuck in the
past, in that it's very analog...
468
00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:49,505
There's a lot of paper,
a lot of older machines.
469
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:51,640
But also do this amazing, huge job of
470
00:22:51,645 --> 00:22:53,345
controlling all of time, basically.
471
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:55,765
Is this the greatest
power in the universe?
472
00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:58,635
Autumn, our director of photography,
is doing an amazing job.
473
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,595
Painting with light and making
things feel very cinematic,
474
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,140
very moody, and very cool.
475
00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:06,400
Mischievous scamp.
476
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:17,035
The world that the production
designers created
477
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,745
and kind of Kate's come up
with is very unique for Loki,
478
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:22,495
and it has a lot of texture.
479
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:26,245
And I like to kind of
bring that to the space
480
00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:28,255
with lighting and lens choice.
481
00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:31,875
And, you know, I want it to not
be too sharp and too pristine,
482
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,715
so it feels like it could
have been shot on 35.
483
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,175
And that's important to me,
484
00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:39,600
and I think everyone was
kind of on board with that.
485
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:41,845
Swinging for the fences!
486
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:43,765
The TVA is radically different
487
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:46,165
than what we've seen so far in the MCU.
488
00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:48,070
It's heavily kind of influenced by
489
00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:50,345
mid-century Modernism and Brutalism,
490
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:56,325
with a strong dose of
Kafka-esque humor mixed into it
491
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:59,115
and bureaucratic kind of chaos.
492
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,710
Wish I could say I was surprised.
493
00:24:00,715 --> 00:24:02,535
Yeah, I wish you hadn't interrupted us.
494
00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:05,255
- Me? It's my fault?
- Look, he can't have gotten very far.
495
00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:06,425
Split up!
496
00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:08,906
Some of the architecture
and the design are circular.
497
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:11,505
I suppose it's the idea
of how we think of time.
498
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:13,375
Time does exist in circles.
499
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:15,425
Clocks and watches are circular.
500
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:17,375
We talk of the years and the seasons.
501
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:21,140
We speak of seasonal cycles, and
we think of time as a kind of...
502
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:23,665
it's something that rolls along.
503
00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:25,055
Take a ticket.
504
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:28,145
In some ways, that
is one of our simplest sets.
505
00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:31,070
And yet it's a lot of people's favorite,
506
00:24:31,075 --> 00:24:32,485
and it's sort of the funniest.
507
00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:35,195
The idea is that it's
like a very oppressive,
508
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,325
compressed but trash compactor box.
509
00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:38,735
Standing in this room now,
510
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:41,785
the ceiling is incredibly low,
and there are all these lights.
511
00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:45,325
It feels quite claustrophobic.
And you just wanna get out.
512
00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:47,335
The ceilings are 7'6'.
513
00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:49,795
Even in a pretty humble apartment,
514
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,835
you typically have 8-foot ceilings,
515
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,965
so there's six inches less headroom.
516
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,255
So it feels like it's kind
of crushing down on you.
517
00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:59,255
And then, obviously, as you
know, the ceiling is covered
518
00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:03,595
in this sea of illuminated
circles of white, reflected light.
519
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,385
And inside of each circle,
520
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:08,150
there is a bulb that has a chrome tip
521
00:25:08,155 --> 00:25:09,685
at the bottom and shines light up.
522
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:11,140
And so, if you look at it,
523
00:25:11,145 --> 00:25:13,605
it looks like a sea of
eyeballs, essentially.
524
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:16,325
And, you know, there's
all the stanchions
525
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:18,735
and the kind of nylon ropes
526
00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:21,285
that are corralling them like cattle,
527
00:25:21,290 --> 00:25:24,615
immediately stripping them
of any kind of free will.
528
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,825
Thanks for visiting the TVA.
529
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:29,040
Don't hesitate to let us
know how we're doin'.
530
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:31,215
We interestingly have
531
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:33,335
a lot of hierarchy
across the whole story.
532
00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:36,180
Like the TVA, in its
design, for example,
533
00:25:36,185 --> 00:25:38,825
you have Minutemen,
Analysts, then Judges.
534
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:40,725
But that's reflected in
the design of the TVA.
535
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:43,595
We have these kind of Shining
Overlook-style corridors
536
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,135
that are endless and go on forever.
537
00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:48,515
But we have the security level,
and the management office level,
538
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,395
and then the level where Renslayer is.
539
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,145
And I think that that
was really key as well,
540
00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:55,075
was making it clear that the TVA,
541
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,065
even in the design and the architecture,
542
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:58,855
had this kind of feeling of hierarchy.
543
00:25:58,860 --> 00:26:04,495
We really worked hard to develop
class systems in this show.
544
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,555
So we just created all
this different ranking.
545
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,565
So basically, the Hunters
have solid black uniforms.
546
00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:13,855
All the Minutemen, all the
sort of enlisted, have,
547
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:15,715
what I call the harlequin pattern,
548
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,715
where everybody's, from side
to side, it's a contrasting panel,
549
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,885
and it switches around on each person.
550
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:25,805
So sometimes one panel is
lighter on the right side.
551
00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:27,935
On the other person, it's
light on the left side.
552
00:26:27,940 --> 00:26:29,645
On an another, it's light on the front.
553
00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:32,515
So that it played with the
concept of time and space.
554
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,780
If you see a Loki, prune it.
555
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:39,275
The bad Loki, preferably.
556
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,945
It is kind of meant to
feel that this organization
557
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:46,865
sort of strips you
of your individuality.
558
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:50,665
And the only things that I
did do were scarring marks.
559
00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:54,005
Like B-15 has the amount of kills
560
00:26:54,010 --> 00:26:56,760
she's scratched in
numbers on her helmet.
561
00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:01,285
She's a badass. She's
proficient physically.
562
00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:05,555
And, um, she's strong.
She's dedicated and loyal.
563
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,425
Your Loki jumped me.
564
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:09,385
I told you he wasn't to be trusted.
565
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:12,505
When we were casting, Wunmi
came in, and it was just like,
566
00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:14,605
"This is it. This is the character".
567
00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:17,145
We talked a lot about
religion and faith.
568
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:19,735
And when people have crisis of faith or
569
00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:24,660
like an epiphany or an awakening
and everything changes.
570
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:26,510
I looked happy.
571
00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:30,615
What now?
572
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:33,005
She brings this warmth to the character,
573
00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:35,245
but then she is our most badass.
574
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:37,505
Honestly, she's like
an action hero, right?
575
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:39,465
It was such an exciting
moment to be, like,
576
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:42,220
bring this really awesome
woman to the MCU.
577
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:47,310
I really was excited about
578
00:27:47,315 --> 00:27:50,345
doing the stunts and
doing all of that stuff
579
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:52,685
'cause I've never really
done that stuff before.
580
00:27:52,690 --> 00:27:54,895
A huge part of it was
just being comfortable
581
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:56,855
with a weapon like the Time Stick,
582
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:58,655
where you turn it on,
and you snap it open
583
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,525
and twist it, and the light goes on.
584
00:28:00,530 --> 00:28:03,275
It's orange when you
want to prune something.
585
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,405
You almost hit me!
586
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,575
And then we have the TemPad, which,
587
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:08,865
it looks like a mobile phone,
a gold mobile phone.
588
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:10,865
And you can call up a Time Door.
589
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:12,205
So that's what we'd use
590
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:15,565
to get to the new branch
and back to the TVA.
591
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:17,755
The technology that they're using
592
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,915
needs to feel like it's not,
593
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,625
it's not futuristic,
but it's not archaic.
594
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:28,715
It needs to be this kind
of ethereal place in time.
595
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,055
Because the way that it
was written and described
596
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:35,935
in the script from the writers was
that it was a glassy time door,
597
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:38,900
it instantly kind of started
to all click into place.
598
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,395
Sir...
599
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,065
And one of the things
that really inspired us
600
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:45,715
for the Time Doors was
David Lynch's Dune,
601
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,485
when they're practice fighting,
602
00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:51,045
and they have these kind
of shields over them.
603
00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:54,825
And we did a camera test shoot,
and we shot an element.
604
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:59,315
And instantly I jumped into literally
lookdeving this element out.
605
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,585
And we lookdeved out probably
a good 150 different designs
606
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:07,850
before we landed on something
that everyone really liked.
607
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,900
Fancy technology.
608
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:21,040
Threatening interrogation tactics.
609
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:25,250
Seems you and I are
in a loop of our own.
610
00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:31,885
Yeah, the Time Theater's where
we really broke the back of this,
611
00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:33,395
the early part of our shoot.
612
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,815
And there's such a huge
and hugely important scene
613
00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:37,955
that takes place in it.
614
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,835
Do you enjoy hurting people?
615
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,125
It's a simple question.
616
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:42,585
Do you enjoy killing?
617
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:43,795
I'll kill you.
618
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,375
What, like you killed your mother?
619
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:47,175
He and Mobius in the Time Theater,
620
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:50,705
it's two people talking
for 30 pages about identity
621
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:53,550
and philosophy, and
life, and it's thrilling.
622
00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:56,390
I can't believe you were D.B. Cooper.
623
00:29:57,140 --> 00:29:59,225
I was young, and I lost a bet to Thor.
624
00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:02,185
Obviously, when you're working
on a Marvel production,
625
00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:04,965
there's a lot of secrecy, right?
So not everyone has a script.
626
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:06,945
And I remember filming
on the Time Theater,
627
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:09,905
Owen and Tom are looking at a
stage, but there's nothing on it.
628
00:30:09,910 --> 00:30:13,240
So, the stage is paused
on the Avengers on stage.
629
00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:18,825
And then Loki gets up. He
sets down the Time Disk.
630
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:21,165
Me and the editors have
kind of cut together, like,
631
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:24,755
"Okay, we think this is a good
moment to play, or this moment".
632
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,675
Let's go from the top of that clip,
just so we get the timing on it.
633
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,465
All right. Let's reset. Let's shoot it.
634
00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:31,595
There were points
where the crew were like,
635
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,435
"Okay. This is two guys in a room,
636
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,930
and they're looking at a wall.
637
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:40,145
And Kate and Tom seem to have
a groove for what's going on".
638
00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:42,895
'Cause I'd say, "Now it's Dark
World. Or now it's Avengers".
639
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,820
So, I've gone back to the
same clip of Mum dying.
640
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:50,405
This is where the reaction
goes on my own now.
641
00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:52,525
What was really
beautiful about it was that,
642
00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:55,195
filming that, some of the
crew were probably, like,
643
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,535
"Okay, this is very strange".
644
00:30:56,540 --> 00:30:59,575
But they still threw their
heart and souls into it.
645
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:03,145
And I think it was a real
unifying moment for everyone.
646
00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:04,185
And also, beyond that,
647
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,585
just seeing Owen and
Tom's chemistry on screen.
648
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:08,375
It was incredible.
649
00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:10,885
And, like, it kind of
began this chess match
650
00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:13,755
that both those characters really
play across the whole show.
651
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,520
A fugitive Variant's been
killing our Minutemen.
652
00:31:17,390 --> 00:31:21,265
And you need the God of Mischief
to help you stop him?
653
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:22,480
That's right.
654
00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:24,230
Why me?
655
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:26,730
The Variant we're hunting is...
656
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,490
you.
657
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:31,530
I beg your pardon?
658
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
659
00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:40,205
And Loki is, by far,
his own worst enemy.
660
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:43,955
In the 11 years of playing
him, over six films,
661
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,915
spanning 13 hours and 50 minutes,
662
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,550
he has fought his
brother and his father,
663
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:54,350
Frost Giants and Elves,
Avengers and Titans.
664
00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:57,805
But I can say with complete certainty
665
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:02,810
that Loki's biggest battle has
always been within himself...
666
00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:05,360
... until now.
667
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:12,655
If this show was about Loki
learning to love himself,
668
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:17,365
a key way to help him arc and
learn to overcome those things
669
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:19,035
is to have somebody that's gonna come in
670
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,455
and challenge those
views in the first place.
671
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:23,285
This isn't about you.
672
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:24,585
Right.
673
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:27,465
Sophia plays a character in the comics
674
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:28,840
that was known as Sylvie Lushton.
675
00:32:28,845 --> 00:32:30,795
She was an apprentice of Loki's
676
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,425
and sort of someone that he
groomed to be a great sorcerer.
677
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:37,080
Our version in the show is basically
678
00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:40,470
another version of Loki himself.
679
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:42,055
What are you doing?
680
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:43,060
What are you doing?
681
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:46,355
- You trying to enchant me?
- No.
682
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,605
- It won't work.
- Why? Because you're a magician?
683
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:50,480
No, because my mind is too strong.
684
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:53,446
What really intrigued me
about the story was that
685
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:57,025
this was a female variant of
Loki who was a lot more in line
686
00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:59,575
with The Enchantress character
that we know from the comics,
687
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:02,495
but also, in a sense, a complete
re-imagining of The Enchantress.
688
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,865
I thought there was something
interesting in that.
689
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:07,185
Like, taking these two
kind of identities of Loki
690
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,565
but doing something different.
691
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:10,355
- Keep it together.
- It's gonna be fine.
692
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:16,830
She's another version of him in
the unlimited universes
693
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,345
um, that are around. And there
are many versions of Loki.
694
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:23,055
So her nexus event
695
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:27,345
pulled her away from
her Loki life in Asgard,
696
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:31,435
and so she's been living a
parallel life the whole time.
697
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,320
And it hasn't been great for Sylvie.
698
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:42,195
We still needed cues
to her being a Loki.
699
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,540
But she needed to feel armored in a more
700
00:33:44,545 --> 00:33:46,495
lost-and-found sort of way as well.
701
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,335
Sort of as if she was picking up pieces
702
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:51,710
along the way in her hideout.
703
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:54,045
It's as if Sylvie needed to feel
704
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:57,465
as though she was trying to recede
into these worlds a little bit,
705
00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:00,465
but also be badass, tough, and armored.
706
00:34:00,470 --> 00:34:02,305
They've borrowed things from Loki.
707
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:05,270
Sort of the gold shape around the neck,
708
00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:08,440
and the leather, and the cape.
709
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,225
The green circles on...
710
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:14,275
On the arms are... The
green is for Loki, obviously.
711
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,645
And there's little bits of
Enchantress there as well.
712
00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,245
We really wanted it
to be super practical.
713
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:20,870
Something that you can fight in
714
00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:23,285
and that Sylvie could be on the run in,
715
00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:25,500
rather than high heels and a leotard.
716
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:33,995
Such a gift of a character.
717
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,085
I get to just be this absolute
badass who's really angry,
718
00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:40,640
and fight all of these guys.
719
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:45,475
Something that was really fun
720
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,845
in looking at Sylvie
and her fighting style
721
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:50,055
and looking at these little
differences between her,
722
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:51,855
you know, being a
female version of Loki,
723
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:53,145
what makes her different?
724
00:34:53,150 --> 00:34:54,895
And it's the nature and nurture.
725
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,235
Bam. Push down.
726
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,406
Loki grew up in a palace,
727
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:59,235
and he's very balletic,
the way he fights.
728
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,945
It's very graceful and very beautiful.
729
00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:03,160
Whereas Sylvie, she's
had to be on the run
730
00:35:03,165 --> 00:35:05,405
and live and grow up in an apocalypse.
731
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:08,615
So, I always think of her a bit like
a feral cat, the way she fights.
732
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:10,615
You almost expect her to bite someone.
733
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:12,575
You see her at some
point take off her horns
734
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:14,035
and put them in someone's face.
735
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,380
Whereas Loki, it's very,
like, big arm movements.
736
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:22,965
Loki has this matador style of fighting,
737
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:25,435
where everything is about
a kind of elegance
738
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,555
and a kind of showmanship.
739
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,015
And fight!
740
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:34,715
We're actually trying to
build on everything I've done,
741
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,215
but make it even more
graceful, I suppose. If I can.
742
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:40,680
It's another mechanism
for story. It's very cool.
743
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:48,370
Hey! There it is.
744
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:51,705
Once you take away all
the action and spectacle,
745
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:53,415
our story is about identity
746
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:55,495
and someone finding
their place in the world.
747
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,546
- You're not a serious man.
- You're right. I'm a god.
748
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:58,665
You're a clown.
749
00:35:58,670 --> 00:36:00,405
In Episode Three, in Shuroo,
750
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:03,335
this is a really big moment for
Loki and Sylvie in their journey.
751
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:05,115
They're actually working as a team.
752
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,455
We have to get on that ark
and make sure it takes off.
753
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:08,580
How?
754
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:10,595
We go around.
755
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,846
Loki and Sylvie have
to run through this town,
756
00:36:12,850 --> 00:36:14,475
and the stakes are very high.
757
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,110
And the scene has to have
an enormous amount of
758
00:36:17,115 --> 00:36:19,435
momentum and propulsive energy.
759
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,490
And Kasra built a town.
760
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:25,410
He just built the town on the backlot.
761
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,995
Shuroo was a set and a set piece
762
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,535
that from the early days, we
planted the flag and said,
763
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:35,625
"This is what it's going to be.
764
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:38,625
And we want it to be big.
We want it to be practical.
765
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:41,255
They need to be able to
run through this city.
766
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:43,130
We have to build the city".
767
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,715
Shuroo, where we are now,
768
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:50,595
has some of the archetypical
visual elements of a frontier town,
769
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,475
but has some elements that
are completely different,
770
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,225
from what we've seen on Earth
771
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:58,725
and completely different
from any other alien worlds
772
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:01,565
that have been established
so far in the MCU.
773
00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:06,235
The scenes are all at night, and
you gotta check it out at night.
774
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,870
There's a lot of black light paint,
775
00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:10,015
so the finishes, as you see them now,
776
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:13,035
are quite different than where
they actually end up being.
777
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,995
There's a quality where the architecture
itself becomes light sources
778
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,505
because there's these
elaborate, painted patterns
779
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:22,835
that are interactive with light on them.
780
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,085
And so, it's almost, like,
floating, glowing patterns.
781
00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:27,545
Do we trust each other?
782
00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:29,675
We do and you can.
783
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:32,465
Good.
784
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:36,845
So, we walk up, we walk
through this tunnel
785
00:37:36,850 --> 00:37:40,730
and into the city of Shuroo. Follow me.
786
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:47,445
Ta-da!
787
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:49,740
Which is, I have to say,
788
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,200
the most amazing... One of the most
amazing sets I have ever been on.
789
00:37:55,210 --> 00:37:59,075
I mean, it's been... This has
all been built on the backlot,
790
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,085
here in Atlanta at the studios.
791
00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:05,255
Uh, it's all been lit and painted
so that it glows in the dark.
792
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:07,175
Uh, it didn't exist before.
793
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:09,965
And even on a Marvel project,
794
00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:12,505
I've never been on a set
this size, I don't think.
795
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:15,925
The scene here is being shot as a oner.
796
00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:18,725
And so what's required to do that
797
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:22,975
is essentially a set that is
360 degrees photographable.
798
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:27,355
So, every surface has to be designed,
and built, and set decked.
799
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,025
Big part of it was not building
any more set than we need.
800
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:34,035
It's really doing a lot of
planning in the early phases.
801
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,405
Kate worked with previz
and storyboards quite a lot
802
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:39,075
to figure out exactly
how much we needed.
803
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,505
So that was a huge part to making sure
804
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:43,415
the resources were utilized well.
805
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:46,085
Kate and I have probably been
working on this for about a year
806
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:47,695
when we first met,
807
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,585
and started our prep in
Los Angeles at Disney.
808
00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:52,505
There are cuts in our sequence,
809
00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:55,595
but we wanted the audience
to feel like it's one shot.
810
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,975
So, we have stitches that transition
us from one shot to the other.
811
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:02,605
But the way that we filmed
them, we hide them
812
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:04,435
so that they feel seamless,
813
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,030
so you feel like it's one
shot from start to finish.
814
00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:13,405
I think it will be eight or nine
sort of stitches in the oner.
815
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:15,985
But essentially, we come
through this thing.
816
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:17,495
And behind me, you see...
817
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:21,825
In the show, you see this
enormous crowd of people.
818
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:26,125
And at the very, very end of
this street, up in the night sky,
819
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:29,335
is the docking point for this ark,
820
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:32,140
this ship that is potentially leaving.
821
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,255
And these meteors are
crashing into the buildings,
822
00:39:35,260 --> 00:39:38,095
and the buildings are falling
down, and it's mayhem.
823
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,225
People are running and screaming,
824
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:42,435
and trying to get on the ark.
825
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,765
And there are guards who
are trying to stop them.
826
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:47,875
So, to have the two of us,
to have Loki and Sylvie,
827
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,695
myself and Sophia, have
to get through this,
828
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,555
just creates an extraordinary,
dynamic momentum.
829
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,200
And it's so exciting that at the moment
830
00:39:54,205 --> 00:39:57,225
that Loki and Sylvie actually connect,
831
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:01,010
that it finishes at the end of this
extraordinary piece of action.
832
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,510
Do you think that what
makes a Loki a Loki
833
00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:14,590
is the fact that we're destined to lose?
834
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:16,260
No.
835
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:18,390
We may lose.
836
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:21,980
Sometimes painfully.
837
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:25,520
But we don't die.
838
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:29,185
One of the writers in our
writers' room, Elissa Karasik,
839
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,945
she came in with a real strong POV
840
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:34,105
that it should run at
that love-story thing.
841
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:36,995
And it was something
the whole writers' room
842
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,035
got behind from day one.
843
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Not bad.
844
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,495
You know, it's so chaotic to fall
in love with a version of yourself,
845
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:49,005
but at the same time, it's such
a bad idea and so mischievous,
846
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:51,455
it's, like, of course Loki would
fall in love with himself.
847
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:53,245
But he's also a character that,
848
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:57,795
I think, needs to, you know,
get past his demons
849
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,350
and find the good within himself
850
00:40:59,355 --> 00:41:01,635
to be able to go on
that redemptive journey.
851
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,855
So at the heart of it,
it is this love story,
852
00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:05,895
and you never fall in
love at the right time.
853
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:07,275
The nice thing about it is that
854
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,195
Crater Lake is where these two
characters really come together,
855
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,950
and they realize there's
something deeper going on here.
856
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:17,195
You know, in life,
we all go through struggles,
857
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,945
but we can't do it alone.
858
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:21,285
And if we have people we can trust,
859
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:25,165
it lightens the load,
and it gladdens the heart.
860
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:27,210
And I think the relationship
between Loki
861
00:41:27,215 --> 00:41:29,205
and Sylvie is about that connection.
862
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:33,220
That they learn, each of them,
to care about the other.
863
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:38,385
What a incredible seismic narcissist.
864
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:40,135
You fell for yourself.
865
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:41,765
Her name was Sylvie.
866
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:43,560
Ah, Sylvie.
867
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,805
Lovely. How do you spell that?
Is that with an I-E or just an I?
868
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:50,110
Is she alive?
869
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,360
For now.
870
00:41:56,610 --> 00:42:00,115
People in love often
speak of time stopping
871
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,790
when they first catch that
jolting glance of their paramours,
872
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,705
as if our brain, perhaps even
the universe, is telling us,
873
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:11,490
"Your life is forever changed".
874
00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:14,370
"Sear this moment into your memory".
875
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,795
So much is forgotten
and discarded every day.
876
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,180
A password, an acquaintance's name.
877
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:26,845
Our inability to control
what stays and what goes
878
00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:30,400
is a constant reminder of the
fallibility of the human mind.
879
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:34,935
Objects in the rear view are often
much smaller than they appear,
880
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:37,740
and they get smaller
and smaller each day.
881
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:40,985
But as we march forever onward,
882
00:42:40,990 --> 00:42:45,745
we will inevitably arrive at
one of those defining moments
883
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:49,620
where clarity arrives, followed
quickly by more uncertainty.
884
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:54,625
What we do in this moment
can often define our lives
885
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:56,455
in ways we never dreamed of.
886
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:57,625
What is it?
887
00:43:03,010 --> 00:43:07,055
Sylvie finally gets to the Time-Keepers.
888
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:09,810
And then she finds herself
in a fight with Renslayer.
889
00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:12,190
That was a really fun scene.
890
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:17,485
It's like, "Oh, wow!
This woman can fight. Ah!"
891
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:19,815
"Sugar. Maybe I've met my match here".
892
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:22,780
This time I finish the job.
893
00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:29,765
It's really the first time that we
get to see them both together.
894
00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:31,645
They have such different
styles, I think,
895
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:33,130
because Renslayer came up
896
00:43:33,135 --> 00:43:35,375
from the military
background as a Hunter,
897
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:39,340
and Sylvie really did have this
street-wise fighting style.
898
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,181
The stunt team and the fight team
899
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:44,385
are really careful as well
900
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:48,555
about making sure the fights
make sense with the story.
901
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,135
And we make sure that the...
902
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:55,685
The scenes work as scenes
without any fighting
903
00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:57,815
and then, sort of add the fighting in.
904
00:43:57,820 --> 00:43:59,815
I think it does make sense to go back.
905
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:01,575
- Yeah.
- Even though it's less aggressive,
906
00:44:01,580 --> 00:44:03,235
- but she's coming forward.
- Yeah.
907
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,616
- Also...
- Keep the counter step.
908
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:06,155
- It's a good counter step.
- Yeah.
909
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,370
In a musical, you sing
910
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:12,165
when you don't have the words
to express how you feel anymore.
911
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:14,165
When you get to that
point, you start singing.
912
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:16,590
With this, it's like, when
you don't have the words
913
00:44:16,595 --> 00:44:18,205
to express how you feel anymore,
914
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:19,420
we fight.
915
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:27,885
For Renslayer, it's kind of
a fascinating arc to go from
916
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:32,095
this very, very sort of straight
perception of the world that she has
917
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,805
to it sort of all crumbling
before her eyes.
918
00:44:34,810 --> 00:44:39,875
Did Judge Renslayer really
feel betrayed by her beloved TVA?
919
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,900
Why don't you come back out
and we can talk about it?
920
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:56,876
When I pitched The Void,
my thought was it's meant to be
921
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,415
this barren wasteland where the TVA
sends everyone, and it's rubbish.
922
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:02,665
It was so weird 'cause
I was on set, obviously,
923
00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:06,085
and we're in this countryside.
And it's gray, and it's miserable.
924
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:08,555
And I was like, "Oh, my God.
I've pitched England".
925
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,265
But it really did remind me of it.
926
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:14,515
It was quite strange. Quite a lot
of our cast and crew are British.
927
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,400
We were like, "Yeah, we
feel like we're home".
928
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:23,945
What I really wanted to
feel in The Void was,
929
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:26,735
it's this place where it's
like an overgrown garden.
930
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:30,155
We have all these weird structures.
Like, we have a boat on land,
931
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,995
and you see all these kind of strange
things that have been deleted
932
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,395
that shouldn't exist in time.
933
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,165
We had a lot of fun with Easter eggs
934
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:38,245
and sprinkling in stuff
that shouldn't be there.
935
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:40,125
There's meant to be this kind of sadness
936
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:42,380
and this kind of lack
of life about the place.
937
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,675
But there are some things in The Void
938
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,595
which have learned to stay alive.
939
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,595
And they've managed to
make a life in The Void,
940
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,345
if that's even possible.
941
00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:56,810
And I can introduce you to
them if you like.
942
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,986
So when I got a call to do it,
943
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:03,075
I said, "Well, what is it?
944
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,990
"Is it to play an older version of Tom?"
945
00:46:05,995 --> 00:46:08,005
That's what I assumed it was.
946
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:09,765
They put it much more delicately.
947
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:11,790
They said, "No, you're
playing Classic Loki".
948
00:46:14,410 --> 00:46:18,575
So I said, "So it's in the green
Lycra bodysuit, with muscles".
949
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:20,755
They said, "No, you're not
gonna have the muscles".
950
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,775
So I'm very distraught that,
951
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:27,295
having had been born
without any, as you can see,
952
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,085
that I thought I would finally...
953
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:31,345
I would finally get to wear
954
00:46:31,350 --> 00:46:34,140
a green Lycra suit
with built-in muscles.
955
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,185
But that hasn't happened.
But I've got everything else.
956
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:40,305
The horns, and the cape, and
the, you know, the boots.
957
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,105
When I knew there was
gonna be this character,
958
00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:46,355
- there are, obviously, all these Lokis...
- Old.
959
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,945
No, no. It wasn't
just old. We literally,
960
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:52,485
there's only one person we
thought of. And it was Richard.
961
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:54,010
If we... If you'd said, "No",
962
00:46:54,015 --> 00:46:56,285
I don't know what we
would have done, really.
963
00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:58,285
- 'Cause it'd be...
- You would've gone to...
964
00:46:58,290 --> 00:47:00,035
No. No, no. It was...
965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,955
In fact, even in the concept
art when we were drawing it,
966
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,755
it was drawn with Richard's face.
It was like a wish fulfilment.
967
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,375
- Here we are, livin' the dream.
- Good.
968
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:09,215
I'm livin' the dream. You may not be.
969
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:10,885
- I am in the dream.
- You're saying that
970
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:13,385
- 'cause the cameras are rolling.
- I'm living in the dream.
971
00:47:13,390 --> 00:47:15,965
Well, thank God that
Loki has a sense of humor.
972
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:18,535
And thank God that the MCU
has a sense of humor
973
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:23,005
because it was just feeling
like you could go really
974
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:25,355
to all corners for inspiration.
975
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,965
In so many ways I kinda thought,
there's no acting required
976
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:32,135
because the costume does it.
977
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:35,445
I mean, it's so massive, and I'm 6'6".
978
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:37,495
But then the boots that I have
979
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,615
have, like, two inches
on it, so I feel...
980
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:41,535
I'm probably 6'8" in it already.
981
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:43,065
And the shoulders are out here.
982
00:47:43,070 --> 00:47:47,160
I betrayed you, and now, I'm king.
983
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,720
My army, my throne.
984
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,675
Something from the comics
that I love about Loki is, like,
985
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,675
he has been all these different
personalities, you know.
986
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,635
In the early comics,
he was very villainous,
987
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,610
but then you have the very different
Kid Loki in the later comics.
988
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:06,225
He's been like a unicorn.
He's been President.
989
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:08,815
I feel like I'm having
an identity crisis.
990
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:11,195
It was fun. It was weird.
991
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,650
We were able to create all of
these bandit versions of Lokis.
992
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,405
They all got different nicknames.
993
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:19,705
They were, like, Glamshades Wolfie,
994
00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:22,785
which was kinda
based originally of, like,
995
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:26,285
sort of a tribal leader. Like a shaman.
996
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:27,955
And we had Poky Loki.
997
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,375
It was just another play on
In-Prison Loki. Bicycle Loki.
998
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:34,255
These are bicycle handlebars,
999
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:36,345
which I think is very creative,
1000
00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:37,975
and you could probably try to make,
1001
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:40,425
to recreate at home, if you so choose.
1002
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:43,000
It was endless.
1003
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:48,015
Why the hell is there
an alligator in here?
1004
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:51,485
Alligator Loki is wholly
invented by Michael Waldron
1005
00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:53,795
in the first pitch he
ever came to us with.
1006
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,115
I'll tell you, for every
really dumb idea
1007
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,485
like that that made it in,
1008
00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:59,415
there's a hundred even stupider ones
1009
00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:01,445
that these guys had
to pull me back from.
1010
00:49:03,790 --> 00:49:07,375
That's alligator for growling and
saying "liar" at the same time.
1011
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,625
I remember sending a note to
the VFX team from our team,
1012
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:13,295
which was basically like,
"We want to have an alligator
1013
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,115
that's very handsome
with beautiful eyes".
1014
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,836
And I was like, "What is this job?"
1015
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,965
Alligator Loki was a very unique
character because of the fact that
1016
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:24,020
sometimes the physics
of a real alligator
1017
00:49:24,025 --> 00:49:26,015
are not taken into consideration.
1018
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:28,315
Things like picking him up for instance.
1019
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,645
Well, picking up an alligator
is a very, very strange thing
1020
00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:36,235
because alligators' spines
only kind of bend a certain way.
1021
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,125
So we were working with ILM on this.
1022
00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:40,665
They found a piece of reference
1023
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:43,445
that was one of the best
references I've ever seen.
1024
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:45,545
It's this alligator called Wally,
1025
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:47,915
and he is a support alligator.
1026
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,645
He's absolutely amazing.
So we used this reference
1027
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:56,340
to make our alligator, based off
of this particular Wally alligator.
1028
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,285
It can't just be an alligator.
1029
00:49:58,290 --> 00:50:01,345
It can't be something that's
like, "That's just an alligator".
1030
00:50:01,350 --> 00:50:05,435
We really wanted it to give
that kind of cheeky Loki grin
1031
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,015
or that mischievous look to him.
1032
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:11,025
So, we based our alligator off of
1033
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:13,900
as much reality as we possibly could.
1034
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:34,875
Inside The Void is a living
storm that consumes matter.
1035
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,505
You can think of the biggest
storm you've ever seen.
1036
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:40,295
Thunder, lightning, dark clouds.
1037
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,810
And the storm is called Alioth.
1038
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,225
I love monster movies.
1039
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:49,095
And trying to tackle a monster
1040
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:52,815
where we kind of give little
tastes and teases of this creature,
1041
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:54,490
but we don't kind of show him off
1042
00:50:54,495 --> 00:50:56,275
completely until the big showdown.
1043
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,815
'Cause I love Jaws,
1044
00:50:57,820 --> 00:51:00,565
and I think something really
effective about that film is that
1045
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:03,095
you get peeks at the shark,
but you don't completely see it
1046
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,330
until the big finale on the boat.
1047
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,995
And I think, for us, we were really
inspired with Alioth by nature,
1048
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,460
and nature can be terrifying.
1049
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:14,665
While they were pitching the story,
1050
00:51:14,670 --> 00:51:18,170
I literally was like, "Hey, guys,
could you give me one second?"
1051
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:20,045
And I jumped on Google.
1052
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:24,505
And I'd seen a documentary
on volcanic eruptions,
1053
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:28,845
and pyroclastic flows, and
just absolutely beautiful, uh,
1054
00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:32,260
thermal lightning inside
these pyroclastic flows.
1055
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,025
So, I got the job,
1056
00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:38,740
and then the first thing that I said
1057
00:51:38,745 --> 00:51:40,945
as soon as I had boots
on the ground was,
1058
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:44,110
"We need to start
lookdeving this character".
1059
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,825
We put together this absolutely
fantastic kind of package
1060
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:53,205
that had a very, very
short animation of Alioth
1061
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:55,285
in what I envisioned him to be.
1062
00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:59,585
Come and get me! Come on!
1063
00:51:59,590 --> 00:52:01,305
The main thing with Alioth is that
1064
00:52:01,310 --> 00:52:03,195
even Kid Loki describes, as he says,
1065
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,345
"He's a shark, and we're
in his tank, basically".
1066
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:09,635
I think that was the key thing with
Alioth, is that he's a predator,
1067
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,305
and he's just there to eat.
1068
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:12,995
And it's great 'cause the TVA are just
1069
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,020
throwing him loads of T-bone steaks.
1070
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:24,365
"It was the best of times,
it was the worst of times".
1071
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:27,030
It also happens to be the end of time.
1072
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:29,495
In the final episode of Loki,
1073
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:32,365
after jumping from New
York to the Gobi Desert
1074
00:52:32,370 --> 00:52:37,210
to the TVA to a Renaissance fair
to Pompeii to Roxxcart to...
1075
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,125
You get the idea.
1076
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:42,125
- Long, strange trip and all that jazz.
- Ow!
1077
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:44,965
After all the space-time shenanigans,
1078
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:48,055
our heroes arrive at their destination.
1079
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:49,595
The end of the road trip
1080
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,015
where you get out of the car,
stretch your legs, and continue on,
1081
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:56,810
barely pausing to reflect
on the journey behind you.
1082
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,775
It's a refreshing change to go
into the final act of a story,
1083
00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:04,155
where Loki is neither leading
an alien horde into battle
1084
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,660
nor knifing a loved one in the back.
1085
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,745
Usually in Marvel, the
third act of the story
1086
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:18,165
is obviously, like, a massive battle
and a huge, amazing spectacle.
1087
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:21,375
And I feel like our Episode
Five of Alioth is sort of
1088
00:53:21,380 --> 00:53:24,380
almost like a traditional
third act of an MCU story.
1089
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,220
Whereas I loved in Episode Six
1090
00:53:26,225 --> 00:53:28,365
that it was actually
more within our show like,
1091
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:31,245
"No, we're gonna sit down, and
we're gonna have a conversation
1092
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:33,725
about all these questions
we've put forward to you guys
1093
00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:35,385
over the last six hours".
1094
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:40,355
After a very long journey, Sylvie
and Loki are able to discover
1095
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,685
that the TVA had an architect.
1096
00:53:43,690 --> 00:53:49,345
At the end of time, beyond The
Void, beyond Alioth, is a doorway,
1097
00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:52,145
and through the doorway is a Citadel.
1098
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:56,665
The Citadel is essentially
uninhabited and abandoned.
1099
00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:59,955
But there is one solitary
light on in the window,
1100
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,710
and that light is illuminated
by He Who Remains.
1101
00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:12,975
I was really inspired by the idea
of this kind of manor house
1102
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:15,025
like Sunset Boulevard or Grey Gardens.
1103
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:17,185
These basically big, ornate houses,
1104
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:18,515
but there's a loneliness to them.
1105
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,695
Then something that
Kasra came up with that...
1106
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:21,906
Which I thought was so inspired,
1107
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:23,665
was that the Citadel's actually carved
1108
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:25,525
from the rock of this asteroid,
1109
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:27,855
which I think gives it such
a beautiful, unique look
1110
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:30,895
with the gold veins running
through this black kind of rock.
1111
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,735
I really wanted the Citadel
to feel like it had big scale,
1112
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:37,705
because it only added to He Who
Remains' loneliness and isolation,
1113
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:40,165
and, like, what lengths
he's gone for basically
1114
00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:42,165
to protect himself from himself.
1115
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:45,495
The Wizard of Oz was a big touchstone.
1116
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:50,255
It's somebody who is
looming large over the story
1117
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:52,805
and is the driving force of the mystery
1118
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:55,430
of finding the man behind the curtain.
1119
00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:57,845
And hopefully being surprised by
1120
00:54:57,850 --> 00:55:01,515
what you find when you finally
get a peek behind the curtain.
1121
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,730
This is wild.
1122
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,145
Once you see behind the curtain,
1123
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:07,490
everything is changed.
1124
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:12,365
And so, I think, for that role,
it's so exciting for an actor then,
1125
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:14,195
like Jonathan to come in,
1126
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,865
and live this character
and get to do it.
1127
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:22,075
Because, while they're only here
for maybe 30 minutes of this series,
1128
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,505
it feels like they are just in the
DNA of the entire run of the show.
1129
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:29,465
I'd try to explain what I'm capable of,
1130
00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:30,661
but we don't have the million years
1131
00:55:30,665 --> 00:55:32,755
it would take for you to understand.
1132
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:37,345
Some cultural pop references were,
of course, The Wizard of Oz,
1133
00:55:37,350 --> 00:55:42,265
Sunset Boulevard, Citizen Kane,
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.
1134
00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:44,975
The archetype of the wizard
and what happens to him
1135
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:47,895
when he gets bored, you know?
And he becomes a trickster.
1136
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:51,025
Guys, if I was gonna
do an exploding chair,
1137
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:52,905
why wouldn't I just do
an exploding floor?
1138
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:55,785
And I think when we meet He Who Remains,
1139
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:57,645
he's on the borderline
of those two things.
1140
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:59,155
You don't really know where he's at.
1141
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,710
And I think the ambiguity of that
1142
00:56:00,715 --> 00:56:03,375
is one of the wicked things about it.
1143
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:09,170
You think I'm just here with you.
1144
00:56:11,090 --> 00:56:13,045
Whoo!
1145
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:16,010
I am everywhere.
1146
00:56:16,810 --> 00:56:18,925
He Who Remains has lived forever.
1147
00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:21,025
One of the great things
I got to experience
1148
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:22,975
with our costume designer is that
1149
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:27,355
every piece, we decided,
was from a different place.
1150
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,235
The cape I had on was
from the Victorian era,
1151
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,385
the shoes are from Genghis Khan,
the pants from Mongolia, et cetera.
1152
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:37,240
You just mix and match it together,
and it informs the character.
1153
00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:42,750
Without the me, without the TVA...
1154
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:46,880
everything burns.
1155
00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:49,590
Then what are you so afraid of?
1156
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:53,340
Me.
1157
00:56:53,930 --> 00:57:00,425
Jonathan Majors came into this
production in our final week,
1158
00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:02,685
and has created something,
1159
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:06,185
I think, that it will be talked
about for a long time.
1160
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:07,895
- Yeah, we're dancin'.
- Very nice.
1161
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,815
- We're dancin', just dancin'.
- Yeah.
1162
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:11,365
It's absolutely thrilling.
1163
00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:13,355
And you could feel the energy on set,
1164
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,765
because I think the crew knew.
1165
00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:17,200
Like, we're watching the flowering
1166
00:57:17,205 --> 00:57:19,790
of the next phase of
the Marvel Universe.
1167
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:23,365
The Variant of He Who Remains,
1168
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:26,875
the one he's been talking about,
the one that he's so afraid of...
1169
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,040
I'll see you soon.
1170
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:30,090
... is Kang.
1171
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,085
Kang is bent on destruction.
1172
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:36,970
And I'm so curious to see what
Jonathan does in the future.
1173
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:40,255
I think with He Who Remains,
the objective for me
1174
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:43,015
was to give me the
largest canvas possible.
1175
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:49,570
And then from that, as Kang begins
to rear his head and do his deeds,
1176
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:53,605
in so many ways, he has no
choice but to be in opposition
1177
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:56,030
or to be different from He Who Remains.
1178
00:57:57,950 --> 00:58:00,695
That was the thing that grabbed
me and pulled me into the role.
1179
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:04,405
The fact that Kang lives
in so many iterations.
1180
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:07,205
As He Who Remains says,
"Reincarnation, baby".
1181
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:08,885
You know you can't get to the end
1182
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:11,205
until you've been
changed by the journey.
1183
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:13,900
This stuff, it needs to happen.
1184
00:58:15,380 --> 00:58:19,430
The potential of a multiverse
is literally infinite.
1185
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:23,845
We can already look at our
singular universe with awe.
1186
00:58:23,850 --> 00:58:26,850
One decision begets another and another.
1187
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,305
We like to say
1188
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:31,600
that the possibilities are endless.
1189
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:35,740
But in a singular timeline,
that is simply not the case.
1190
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,105
Each falling grain of
sand in an hourglass
1191
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:41,490
changes how every other grain will fall.
1192
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:46,290
We're both masters of our own
destiny and victims of circumstance.
1193
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:49,960
There's simply no knowing
how things will turn out,
1194
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:52,000
until they happen.
1195
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,840
As William Shakespeare wrote
in The Two Gentlemen of Verona,
1196
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:58,680
"It ain't over till it's over".
1197
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:00,965
Or maybe that was Lenny Kravitz.
1198
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:06,100
Anyway, the future of
Loki is still unwritten,
1199
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,100
as it is with us all.
1200
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:18,065
I will be 40 years old when
Loki goes out on Disney Plus.
1201
00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:22,235
And I was 29 years old
when I was cast as Loki,
1202
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,830
so it's been ten,
going on for 11, years.
1203
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:27,855
It has been one of the great,
1204
00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:32,920
if not the greatest, surprise
of my whole life, probably.
1205
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:36,550
I mean, it just... It's hard to sum up.
1206
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,965
I was a young actor,
1207
00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:43,795
and I felt so lucky even to have
the chance to audition for Thor.
1208
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,845
Today was the first day that
I wore this particular costume.
1209
00:59:48,850 --> 00:59:50,095
Under this...
1210
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:51,270
My best friend.
1211
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:53,605
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Hello.
1212
00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:57,275
In all my fittings way back,
you know, four, five months ago,
1213
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,485
I kept thinking, "When am
I gonna get the horns on?"
1214
00:59:59,490 --> 01:00:02,155
'Cause it's almost like the
last piece of the jigsaw
1215
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,165
in kind of becoming the character.
1216
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:07,405
And to wear this thing is,
it feels enormously powerful.
1217
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:11,205
What happened to you on
Earth that turned you so soft?
1218
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:12,955
To be cast as Loki
1219
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,495
and to have that extraordinary
opportunity to make that film,
1220
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:18,505
even as a standalone experience,
1221
01:00:18,510 --> 01:00:21,675
was more than I could
ever have dreamed of.
1222
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,555
As Loki, I had to play the villain
1223
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,635
and then I had to play the anti-hero.
1224
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,095
And this time around is the first chance
1225
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:34,645
I've had to see if we can really
break the mold and change him.
1226
01:00:34,650 --> 01:00:36,360
Why aren't we seeing this the same way?
1227
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:38,530
Because you can't trust...
1228
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:42,065
and I can't be trusted.
1229
01:00:42,070 --> 01:00:44,315
I really want the fans
to feel that energy
1230
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,695
and feel excited and inspired
about where we go next.
1231
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,245
You know, we're here at
the end of this shoot now.
1232
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:53,745
I hope we've made something that
people feel is very special.
1233
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:55,995
I'd love to do one more
after this where I don't cry.
1234
01:00:57,290 --> 01:01:00,585
I feel very grateful that
I'm part of a project
1235
01:01:00,590 --> 01:01:04,340
that I think has probably changed
the direction of the MCU.
1236
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:14,845
What people don't know is that...
1237
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:20,065
Is that Owen has basically broken
open the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
1238
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:22,025
That's what they call it, the MCU.
1239
01:01:22,030 --> 01:01:23,195
What's that mean?
1240
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,985
- The Marvel Cinematic Universe.
- Yeah.
1241
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:27,905
So, the whole interweaving
web of all the movies.
1242
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:31,035
They're all stitched together.
They all reference each other.
1243
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,830
And Mobius has cracked it all open.
1244
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:35,385
It's true.
1245
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,000
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