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I am a sexual person,
and I'm okay saying that.
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I told my mom I was
in the Mile High Club, so...
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Yeah, girl!
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That I'm not a part of, but,
like, it's on the bucket list.
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- [ laughs ]
- So...
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♪♪♪
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I'm a big fan of today's guest.
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No, really, I'm binge-watching
her show right now.
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She's an actor, singer,
and like me,
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she had to grow up quickly
in this industry.
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I can't wait for this
conversation with the one and
only Lucy Hale.
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- Hi, Lucy.
- Hi, girl!
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I am so excited to see you.
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I started watching
"Pretty Little Liars."
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- I've seen that.
- I know you have!
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This makes me so happy.
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I--what made you
want to start watching?
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I was trying to find
lighter content,
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and I feel like it's
controversial to watch now.
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- It wouldn't be made that way.
- Yes.
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Both: Yeah.
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I play Aria, who at the time
we meet her, she's 16,
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and she meets someone
who she falls for.
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They hook up, and then
she goes to school the next day
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and it's her English teacher.
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They end up getting married,
for those--
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Oh, no!
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- Oh, my God, I just ruined it!
- Oh, no!
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- You knew it would happen.
- No, I didn't!
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- Crap, I just ruined the
whole-- - Oh, no!
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What season are you on?
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- I was just kidding.
- I'm only on season three!
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You're like, "Leave, Lucy.
Get--"
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- No, no, no, it's ok--
- Anyway, moving on.
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- [ laughs ]
- You're seriously flustered.
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- Oh, my God.
- We had moms against the show.
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Moms boycotted the show.
It was a big deal,
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And at the time--I was 20
when we started that show--
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I honestly didn't think
about the weight.
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I was just like, "He's hot.
He's a hot teacher."
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Now I'm much more careful
about roles I play
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and things I choose to do
because
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it does have such an impact
on people,
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and such a direct correlation
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with the decisions
we make in life.
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I had people writing me
saying they had crushes
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on their English teacher,
and I'm like, "Oh, God."
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Now we live in a different time
where we're aware of...
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- Oh, yeah. - ...those things
not being okay.
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- It was before the MeToo
movement. - Exactly.
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♪♪♪
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I want to bring up something
that I actually had no idea
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that you had dealt with--
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You had struggled
with an eating disorder.
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Probably from like
15 till, like,
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midway through
"Pretty Little Liars,"
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I, um, had severe anorexia,
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and exercise bulimia.
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Like, I would just work out
for hours.
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It wasn't really about
how I physically looked,
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it was because I had moved
across the country.
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I just felt so completely
out of control.
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The easiest thing
you can control is
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the food that goes into your
mouth, or how much you work out.
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I had an eating disorder
and I didn't even know
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what anorexia was.
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And so it kinda got really bad
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in my late teens, before...
anyone knew what was happening,
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because I'm a petite person
anyway, and I just looked sick.
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It was--I look back at pictures,
and I'm like, "Oh, my God."
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I just look so sick.
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My mom was like,
"We're moving home
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if you don't get help."
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And now where I'm at,
like, do I have bad days?
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Oh, God, yeah.
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That's the first thing
I want to control, of course.
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But I know now that I'm like,
"Oh, no.
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That's just my--that's not me.
Those aren't my thoughts."
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So I can sort of
compartmentalize it a little bit
better.
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I want to say thank you
for sharing that because
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I too have good
days and bad days.
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- I mean...
- Mm-hmm.
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Having my own talk show
brought up stuff immediately...
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- Of course, yeah.
- ...on the first day
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that I thought I
was over, you know.
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And it--it ebbs and flows,
just like life.
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Right.
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♪♪♪
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What made you get started
being outspoken
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about the things you believe in
and what are some of those
things?
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I used to be so scared
to talk about things,
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because I want to make
everyone happy.
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And with everything that's
happened in the world,
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I was like, "I gotta be able
to sleep at night,"
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so I want to talk about
the things that matter,
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the things that
really speak to me,
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and it was a
natural progression.
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If you can encourage
people to speak up
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and give them the space
to talk about
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something that matters to them,
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like, that's all I really
want to do.
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And it's empowering, too,
because
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I felt, because I was quiet,
like I didn't have the power
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that I knew was inside me,
so I feel like
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I took some of my power back
by speaking up.
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What made you want to speak up
about sex positivity?
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I think my journey with
loving myself
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and loving my body and making
better decisions for myself
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has led me to want to speak
about it.
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And I think it's just embracing
and expressing your sexuality.
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- Mm-hmm.
- And stripping away
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the way the shame
and the negativity away from it.
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People hear "sex positivity"
and they're like,
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"Oh, you like to have
a lot of sex."
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- [ laughs ]
- It's like, no.
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- If you want to, that's great.
- Right.
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If you don't want to,
that's fine,
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and I've only recently
become comfortable
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enough with myself to be
that person,
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because...I mean, I would still
call myself an insecure person,
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but to have, like, newfound
confidence in myself.
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Like, I--I am a sexual person,
and I'm okay saying that.
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I told my mom I was
in the Mile High Club, so...
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Yeah, girl!
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That I'm not a part of, but,
like, it's on the bucket list.
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- [ laughs ]
- So...yeah.
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I think it's just really cool to
meet another female that's like,
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"I am proud to be sexual."
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If you would've told me
a couple of years ago
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that I would be having this
conversation about sex
positivity
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about my sexuality, I would've
been like, "You're absolutely
nuts,"
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because I used to be so ashamed
of that side of me.
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I feel like, as women,
especially when you're young
women,
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you're taught to feel ashamed
of your sexuality,
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in regards to masturbation
or having sex.
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What would you say to a young
woman who is being taught that
today?
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How can they shed
their sex shame?
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The only answer I know how to
give is to start conversations,
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to talk about it, to make
strong, positive choices for
your body.
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I work with Bayer, and a lot of
it is around IUDs and birth
control.
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- I have an IUD.
- It's the best.
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- Yeah, yeah.
- It's, like, life-changing.
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But so many people are scared
to talk about
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birth control, because what does
that mean?
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Oh, it means they're having sex.
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- Right.
- So, it's mainly I just want
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people to educate themselves.
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Your body's the one thing
you have that's yours
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and you can make those decisions
for yourself.
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Yeah.
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I'm really proud of the women
that we have become.
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- Me, too.
- We've come a long ways
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since our meeting
on the "Wizards" set,
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- and thank you so much.
- God, thank you.
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This is wonderful.
You're wonderful.
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[ laughs ]
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