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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,456 --> 00:00:26,050 The Human Face - Fame 2 00:00:28,728 --> 00:00:31,128 Hello, I'd like to introduce some friends of mine 3 00:00:31,598 --> 00:00:36,467 This Norman, and down there's Sarah, and this is little Bert, 4 00:00:37,103 --> 00:00:40,903 and I can recognise them because I know their faces and their bodies, of course 5 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:44,905 But over here are some creatures that I think you'll be able to recognise 6 00:00:45,078 --> 00:00:47,808 because they are very, very, famous 7 00:00:47,981 --> 00:00:51,473 Here perhaps one of the most famous actors in the world, 8 00:00:52,452 --> 00:00:56,946 and here's another equally famous and I'll give you a hint - female 9 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:01,758 Here's another, possibly more famous even than the first two, 10 00:01:02,429 --> 00:01:06,195 and finally a particularly fine actor or actress, 11 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:10,029 characteristic little dark mark there, just above the right hip 12 00:01:11,538 --> 00:01:13,267 Now, did you miss any? 13 00:01:13,807 --> 00:01:15,536 Well, if you did, here are the answers 14 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:31,079 Faces help, don't they? 15 00:01:42,235 --> 00:01:45,466 Wherever we go we're assaulted by famous faces 16 00:01:45,638 --> 00:01:48,732 Cinema, television, magazines, papers, hoardings 17 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:52,540 - you just can't escape the gaze of the famous 18 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:59,211 And what drives this mad merry-go-round 19 00:01:59,385 --> 00:02:03,549 is the simple desperate craving - to be famous 20 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:09,758 Performers, actors, people who become actors want the fame 21 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:14,391 A star is someone and from the moment they would get up in the morning, 22 00:02:14,567 --> 00:02:18,503 go in, go to bed at night, they are obsessed with only one thought, 23 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:21,632 "How can I be a bigger star tomorrow than I am today?" 24 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:24,768 That's what consumes them 25 00:02:27,914 --> 00:02:30,508 I don't think it improves who they are, 26 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,720 because it's gratuitous the kind of fame that we're talking about 27 00:02:38,091 --> 00:02:41,549 I mean, it's, by chance, it's flukish 28 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:44,156 You've done very little to deserve it, normally 29 00:02:46,132 --> 00:02:47,759 Certainly television fame's like that 30 00:02:48,434 --> 00:02:50,800 I mean, if you're - if you're Winston Churchill well you 31 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:54,531 - you've done the bit, you know, but by and large famous people 32 00:02:54,707 --> 00:02:55,435 are not Winston Churchill 33 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:58,340 Good morning 34 00:02:58,511 --> 00:03:01,241 Good morning Mr. Figus, we've been expecting you 35 00:03:01,414 --> 00:03:02,381 Do sit down 36 00:03:02,815 --> 00:03:05,750 Now, I understand that you wish to become an icon 37 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:07,610 Is it difficult? 38 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:08,751 Well, that depends 39 00:03:08,922 --> 00:03:13,552 Would you say that your life has been marked by an unusual amount of suffering? 40 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,793 Oh yeah, definitely 41 00:03:16,129 --> 00:03:19,098 Drugs? Drink? Sexual addiction? That sort of thing? 42 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:20,625 Lots 43 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,965 Excellent. And, would you say that you feel very vulnerable most of the time, 44 00:03:26,139 --> 00:03:29,472 and would you be prepared to talk about that at inordinate length? 45 00:03:29,642 --> 00:03:36,639 Oh yeah, no problem Is that it? 46 00:03:38,885 --> 00:03:40,477 Well, there is one other thing 47 00:03:40,853 --> 00:03:46,189 You have to die young, and preferably in tragic circumstances 48 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:49,560 Is that a definite requirement? 49 00:03:50,797 --> 00:03:52,128 I'm afraid it is, yes 50 00:03:59,138 --> 00:04:00,696 Phew. Alright then 51 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:05,434 Oh I forgot to ask, have you actually done...? 52 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:09,407 Oh, never mind Give me the Daily Mail, will you 53 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:13,382 Some people are just dying to be famous 54 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:16,383 A young actor called Ryan Martin is one of them 55 00:04:23,296 --> 00:04:24,957 I think it would be a wonderful thing to be famous 56 00:04:26,299 --> 00:04:29,700 To see people, you know, happy with your work, 57 00:04:29,869 --> 00:04:31,530 and happy to see your face when you're walking down the street, 58 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:32,636 say, "Hello. How are you today?" 59 00:04:32,805 --> 00:04:34,067 I say, "Great. I'm doing good." 60 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,037 They say, "I remember you man You're the one from" 61 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:38,040 - you know - "the picture on the screen." 62 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:39,578 I say, "That's me." 63 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:45,574 The music is - was an off-shot 64 00:04:45,752 --> 00:04:49,654 I kinda - got a little bit disgusted with acting for 65 00:04:49,822 --> 00:04:51,312 about two years - two or three years 66 00:04:53,559 --> 00:04:54,753 A couple of weeks ago when I came out here, 67 00:04:54,927 --> 00:04:56,258 I mean no one even looked at me, 68 00:04:56,429 --> 00:04:58,420 you know, it's very humbling very humbling 69 00:04:59,265 --> 00:05:01,028 I'll do whatever it takes I mean, I don't care 70 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,497 I wanna be famous, you know 71 00:05:02,669 --> 00:05:04,068 That's all - that's what it's all about 72 00:05:12,345 --> 00:05:15,781 If Ryan wants his face plastered all over Sunset Boulevard, 73 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:18,973 he'll have to impress someone like Mali Finn 74 00:05:19,452 --> 00:05:21,647 She's one of the world's leading casting directors, 75 00:05:21,821 --> 00:05:25,416 she persuaded James Cameron to cast Leonardo di Caprio in Titanic 76 00:05:25,591 --> 00:05:30,460 and Curtis Hanson to give Russell Crow his big break in LA Confidential 77 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:34,026 I think that anybody can be famous, 78 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,067 and I don't think you have to have the face of a Leonardo di Caprio 79 00:05:37,236 --> 00:05:41,263 or of a Mark Damon to - to be famous, 80 00:05:41,441 --> 00:05:46,674 I think you simply have to have a face that is distinctive 81 00:05:47,647 --> 00:05:51,242 Not surprisingly, she knows exactly what kind of faces she likes 82 00:05:52,452 --> 00:05:55,012 See, some of these guys don't have a distinct enough look 83 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:59,018 OK. See this is - this is something that just doesn't do anything for me at all 84 00:06:00,626 --> 00:06:05,757 Again - some of these look like they are - are - they're so 85 00:06:05,932 --> 00:06:08,492 - there's some typically contemporary 86 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:13,832 Rick Edwards is an ex-Chippendale 87 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:16,334 He's come out to Hollywood for one thing 88 00:06:18,077 --> 00:06:20,705 I would like to walk down the street and have people say, 89 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,711 "Hey, look at - that's Rick Edwards." 90 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:26,618 Well I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume or imagine that 91 00:06:26,786 --> 00:06:30,119 - that a little boost on the ego, when you first get started, 92 00:06:30,289 --> 00:06:32,553 and you first start getting recognised, it must be great 93 00:06:33,292 --> 00:06:36,728 Three years ago I joined Chippendales and I was on the US National Tour 94 00:06:38,664 --> 00:06:42,998 That was a - a great time A different city every day 95 00:06:43,936 --> 00:06:46,996 You're travelling around in a tour bus Different State every week 96 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:55,476 Being on stage. Bright lights Screaming women. It's just the job 97 00:06:57,683 --> 00:07:02,245 He's now working as the Scotch whisky Ambassador for Los Angeles Orange County, 98 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,515 so of course he wears a kilt 99 00:07:06,392 --> 00:07:08,690 It's not Disneyland where we're dressing up as a character 100 00:07:09,395 --> 00:07:14,526 What it is is, the kilt is a very formal wear, 101 00:07:15,501 --> 00:07:21,406 and the Scotch company I work for is a very formal company, 102 00:07:21,974 --> 00:07:25,034 and so it's no different than if I was wearing a tuxedo 103 00:07:25,478 --> 00:07:27,241 - doing it, but because it's Scotland, 104 00:07:27,413 --> 00:07:30,644 and it's Scotch Whisky, it's the Scottish tuxedo 105 00:07:37,156 --> 00:07:38,851 "Ladies and gentlemen the next Scotch that 106 00:07:39,025 --> 00:07:41,755 we're gonna sample tonight is the Johnnie Walker Gold Label 107 00:07:42,895 --> 00:07:44,726 This one specifically just splits my kilt. 108 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:47,425 "This is my favourite one right here It's very smooth 109 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,931 You're going to detect a lot of..." 110 00:07:49,101 --> 00:07:51,399 When I was seventeen years old, I enlisted in the army 111 00:07:51,571 --> 00:07:53,903 Spent six years in the army as a paratrooper 112 00:07:55,408 --> 00:07:58,741 My nickname all through the army was "Hollywood" 113 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:00,478 That's my drill sergeants called me 114 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:02,273 That's what everybody in my unit called me 115 00:08:03,015 --> 00:08:04,175 - "Hollywood" - that was my name 116 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:07,279 And in 1992, when I got out of the army I figured 117 00:08:07,553 --> 00:08:11,717 "Do I wanna go back to lowa or Minnesota? Go to Hollywood." 118 00:08:12,358 --> 00:08:16,158 So as they say in Scotland, our toast of Slangiva which means Good Health 119 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:22,165 and Happiness to you everybody. Slangiva Good Health and Happiness to you." 120 00:08:24,837 --> 00:08:27,601 Unfortunately for Rick, the Hollywood the competition's tough 121 00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:29,838 There's an estimated six million actors, 122 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:33,206 every one of them trying to get their face noticed 123 00:08:33,813 --> 00:08:36,748 A fair number of them are filed in Mali Finn's office 124 00:08:38,551 --> 00:08:41,418 This is where everything just gets spread out all over the place 125 00:08:41,888 --> 00:08:43,150 We have file drawers here 126 00:08:43,322 --> 00:08:45,187 We have African American men/women here 127 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:49,556 Actors with tattoos. Bikers We have speciality men down here 128 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:54,425 Foreign actors. Martial artists Musicians. We have teams here 129 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:01,972 Models and Asian Actors. Boys, girls, so, this is the work space 130 00:09:12,018 --> 00:09:13,280 How many pancakes do you want Mary? 131 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:15,715 How many pancakes? Yeah 132 00:09:15,888 --> 00:09:19,824 Michael Rix is another young actor who wants his face to be famous 133 00:09:20,426 --> 00:09:23,884 It's cool, you know going down the street and seeing head on a big, 134 00:09:24,063 --> 00:09:27,829 giant billboard with - premiering a movie, and everything 135 00:09:29,669 --> 00:09:31,796 It makes - it does make a lasting impression, 136 00:09:31,971 --> 00:09:33,939 but it makes more of a lasting impression that's really good 137 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:40,336 Did you sleep OK? I live with my two great-aunts 138 00:09:40,513 --> 00:09:43,448 I actually hadn't seen 'em since I was a child, 139 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:49,218 and I kinda ended up here because one of them broke their hip, 140 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:54,222 so, I'm here and I take care of them - rent's free 141 00:09:56,729 --> 00:09:59,664 And - it - it keeps me grounded 142 00:10:10,576 --> 00:10:11,941 I - I play basketball regularly 143 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:15,380 It's something, it's another form of expression for me 144 00:10:15,548 --> 00:10:17,413 I play with a lot of passion 145 00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:20,245 I'm not Michael Jordan but - you know - I don't like losing 146 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:30,990 I came here, because it felt like I had a void in my life 147 00:10:31,163 --> 00:10:34,929 I worked at the Ford Motor Company as an assembly man, for four years 148 00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:41,536 I just didn't wanna grow old doing a repetitious job 149 00:10:45,778 --> 00:10:49,805 Gosh put - the thing - man, I - I put it all off 150 00:10:51,917 --> 00:10:55,011 It's so simple it sounds dumb But all Michael, 151 00:10:55,187 --> 00:11:00,318 Ryan and Rick have to have is a face that Mali Finn likes. 152 00:11:01,293 --> 00:11:04,888 I don't think he's classically handsome enough 153 00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:10,395 There's a long face with this jaw that sticks out here 154 00:11:11,637 --> 00:11:15,698 His eyes are most liquid - of all of these 155 00:11:16,275 --> 00:11:20,234 It looks as though it's going to be an enlightening meeting for all of them 156 00:11:23,783 --> 00:11:27,685 Film, television, magazines Faces, Faces, Faces 157 00:11:27,953 --> 00:11:33,186 Why? Actually, the people who first realised how important 158 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:35,759 faces are to us were in advertising, because they discovered, 159 00:11:35,928 --> 00:11:38,192 early on, that faces sold things, 160 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:41,424 and that famous faces sold things even better 161 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,867 But why? What's underlying this obsession of ours with famous faces? 162 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:53,835 Well, maybe part of the answer is to be found here 163 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,214 Faces are virtually all that we draw when we're first given a pen or a brush 164 00:12:03,823 --> 00:12:07,259 Now, these children aren't painting pictures of Roberts, Cruise or di Caprio 165 00:12:07,893 --> 00:12:12,023 The most famous people around them, are their mothers and fathers 166 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:20,963 They just have some paint, same colours of paint 167 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:24,337 Four colours, and they have - they're each doing in a circle, 168 00:12:24,777 --> 00:12:28,679 but if you look at the circles, and the noses and the eyes, 169 00:12:28,848 --> 00:12:33,751 each face has their own personality on them, which is like a footprint, 170 00:12:34,453 --> 00:12:40,517 a fingerprint - the child's style, and it's imbued with their own emotions, 171 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:43,688 and their own experience of their mother looking at them 172 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:49,363 The mother's face is telling them how she feels about them 173 00:12:50,302 --> 00:12:52,497 Crucial to live to know that mother loves you 174 00:12:53,672 --> 00:12:55,697 They're interested in the pop stars 175 00:12:56,509 --> 00:13:00,843 They're interested in princes, but I think they draw the person 176 00:13:01,013 --> 00:13:03,948 that's showing experience that is significant in that face 177 00:13:18,497 --> 00:13:20,158 there is a faces oh, is me! 178 00:13:20,833 --> 00:13:24,200 Our obsession with famous faces isn't a new phenomenon 179 00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:26,702 It began a hundred and forty thousand years ago, 180 00:13:26,872 --> 00:13:29,773 when our modern minds were being formed 181 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:36,375 Most of the important things that happened to human beings 182 00:13:36,682 --> 00:13:39,742 happened during our remote history 183 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:46,020 The history of civilised human beings is so brief 184 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,587 that it's not had any time to affect our minds, 185 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:53,431 so we still have stone-age minds living in silicon-age bodies 186 00:13:58,270 --> 00:14:01,000 Lots of animals live in social groups, with a social structure, 187 00:14:01,173 --> 00:14:06,475 including us, and if you do that you have to know the boss guy, 188 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:09,839 you have to know one another, but particularly you have to know the boss guy 189 00:14:10,382 --> 00:14:12,714 You have to have someone that you want to look up to, 190 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:14,910 that you actually enjoy looking up to because 191 00:14:15,087 --> 00:14:19,524 he kind of takes responsibilities, and you have to recognise him 192 00:14:20,359 --> 00:14:24,227 So, fame is one way in which you recognise somebody 193 00:14:24,396 --> 00:14:28,230 in a crowd who isn't just one of those sitting around there just like you, 194 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,099 but he's the guy up there, and that is nice for the guys up there, 195 00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:35,039 but actually the rest of people down there, 196 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:37,539 are also glad that there is someone up there 197 00:14:39,778 --> 00:14:43,043 So, as your tribe got larger, so large that 198 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:46,844 now you couldn't know everybody in it, it became possible, 199 00:14:47,019 --> 00:14:49,419 for the very first time, for someone whose face 200 00:14:49,588 --> 00:14:52,455 you've never seen before to have a major influence over your life 201 00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:57,062 So, how could you know what this very important person looked like? 202 00:14:57,363 --> 00:15:03,666 Well, the only place you could see their face was here - on money 203 00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:07,539 Another famous JC 204 00:15:16,181 --> 00:15:16,840 Good day 205 00:15:17,016 --> 00:15:17,710 Good day 206 00:15:17,883 --> 00:15:19,475 I'd like to have my head on a coin 207 00:15:19,652 --> 00:15:20,710 Well - who are you? 208 00:15:20,886 --> 00:15:22,854 I'm a peasant but an outstanding one 209 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:25,655 Alright. Well, there's three things you've gotta do 210 00:15:26,025 --> 00:15:30,428 You've gotta pay me twenty groats, and then, you've gotta fill out this form 211 00:15:31,196 --> 00:15:31,719 Thank you 212 00:15:31,897 --> 00:15:32,659 Thank you 213 00:15:32,831 --> 00:15:34,230 What's the third thing? 214 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:36,994 Well, then you have to become King 215 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,897 Have you got a pamphlet on how to become King? 216 00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:41,365 Yeah, there's a box at the back 217 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,438 Oh 218 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:47,440 The other way that you could have your face in a public place 219 00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:52,016 for people to see what you looked like was to put up one of these 220 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:58,322 And the great advantage was that you'd be surrounded by other statues 221 00:15:58,490 --> 00:16:02,927 - most of them of Gods - which made it clear how special you were 222 00:16:14,306 --> 00:16:16,433 But you see no dress designers 223 00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:20,941 No footballers No - restaurant critics 224 00:16:23,082 --> 00:16:26,984 And let's not forget, no chat show hosts 225 00:16:29,054 --> 00:16:31,488 Ladies and gentlemen It's the Julius Caesar Show 226 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,960 And on tonight's show the King of the Senate, Mark Antony, 227 00:16:35,127 --> 00:16:40,463 the King of the Coliseum, Maxius Lucius And here's Julius 228 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:43,157 Thank you, thank you so much 229 00:16:44,103 --> 00:16:49,370 Until recently, if you were famous, you were powerful - seriously powerful 230 00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:54,444 Life and death powerful In fact, in medieval Europe, 231 00:16:54,613 --> 00:16:57,207 the only thing that really mattered was your power, 232 00:16:57,683 --> 00:16:59,446 not what you actually looked like 233 00:17:00,619 --> 00:17:03,087 In those days, if they wanted an image of the king, 234 00:17:03,255 --> 00:17:05,655 they took anybody's face, and I mean anybody's, 235 00:17:05,824 --> 00:17:09,157 stuck a crown on it, and wrote the name of the king underneath 236 00:17:09,328 --> 00:17:11,489 It seems extraordinary to us, but they didn't expect 237 00:17:11,663 --> 00:17:13,756 a portrait of the king to look like him, 238 00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:19,329 and we have to wait until 1500 for the first portrait of an English king, 239 00:17:19,505 --> 00:17:21,973 and this is Henry the seventh, it was Henry the eighth there, 240 00:17:22,474 --> 00:17:26,137 that was actually painted from life, and looked like him 241 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:32,074 His left eye looks a bit odd - was that the painter or His Majesty? 242 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,081 Take the greatest ever - William Shakespeare, 243 00:17:36,255 --> 00:17:38,280 here at the National Portrait Gallery 244 00:17:38,457 --> 00:17:39,822 Did he actually look like this? 245 00:17:39,992 --> 00:17:42,256 Well, we don't know, cos there's academic squabbling about 246 00:17:42,428 --> 00:17:45,955 whether this was painted from life or painted after he died from memory 247 00:17:46,532 --> 00:17:48,796 And here's the point - it's Shakespeare, 248 00:17:49,168 --> 00:17:52,797 and we've got one dodgy picture of him - one! 249 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:56,306 And the reason why famous faces weren't well known? 250 00:17:56,475 --> 00:17:59,239 Well, they just didn't have the technology. 251 00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:02,044 Thank you Alfonso, excellent 252 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:07,177 Thank you Sir Excuse me Sir, the paparazzi are outside 253 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:09,877 Do you want me to - shall we give them a couple of minutes? 254 00:18:10,055 --> 00:18:11,079 If we must 255 00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:25,693 That's it. That's enough for tonight Thank you 256 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,797 If you wanna be famous today you start out with a photograph, 257 00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:07,335 a simple eight-by-ten photo called a head shot is the fuel 258 00:19:07,513 --> 00:19:09,913 which powers the whole fame machine 259 00:19:13,352 --> 00:19:17,584 Head shots - actors send out to casting directors 260 00:19:17,756 --> 00:19:19,849 On the back of the head shot it'll say, 261 00:19:20,025 --> 00:19:23,188 "Went to college. He can fence He can ride horseback. Speaks a little..." 262 00:19:23,362 --> 00:19:24,488 All these are lies 263 00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:26,688 "Speaks a lot of languages Is a great story flair" 264 00:19:26,865 --> 00:19:29,390 blah, blah, blah On the front is the head shot, 265 00:19:29,701 --> 00:19:32,295 and you're hoping someone will say, 266 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:35,099 "Wait a minute. That's kinda - let me see that guy." 267 00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:38,906 Head shots are important in Hollywood because looks are important in Hollywood 268 00:19:39,077 --> 00:19:41,011 The look is the only thing that anyone remembers 269 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,171 People often forget what somebody's been in 270 00:19:43,348 --> 00:19:44,838 What someone's name is 271 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,417 What someone's resume says, but they see the face, 272 00:19:47,586 --> 00:19:48,985 they suddenly get terribly excited 273 00:19:49,454 --> 00:19:51,718 You know, if you have a Ferrari you want to show it off to people and say, 274 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:54,085 "Hey look, I've got a great Ferrari here you know, 275 00:19:54,259 --> 00:19:56,022 and look at the brochure This is beautiful." 276 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,594 And you wanna say "Well I've got a good face 277 00:19:57,763 --> 00:20:00,254 This is what I look like Put me in something." 278 00:20:00,899 --> 00:20:02,196 This is again your call 279 00:20:02,467 --> 00:20:07,370 So, if you want to have a famous face, Mali Finn has to like it 280 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:09,671 We're looking for one thing only 281 00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:13,971 We're looking for warriors, and that somebody who has very strong, 282 00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:17,638 frightening facial features that just jump off the page at you 283 00:20:19,685 --> 00:20:23,621 A lot of handsome guys here, that look a - ooh! There we are 284 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:27,651 It's very easy when you look at head shots to say "OK this person's it." 285 00:20:27,826 --> 00:20:29,020 You can see it in the face 286 00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:32,425 And other faces it's like you see the mischievous eyes, 287 00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:36,932 or you see the dimples, or you see some distinctive feature, 288 00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:39,134 but something's happening there that says, 289 00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:42,364 "Ho ho, I wanna - I wanna get to know this person 290 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:44,967 I - you know - I like what I see here." 291 00:20:47,012 --> 00:20:49,674 So how long have you got to get your face noticed? 292 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:52,850 On average, nearly half a second 293 00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:58,215 These are mine, so of course they're all brilliant. 294 00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,219 Actually I've never put him here 295 00:21:04,463 --> 00:21:07,626 So for Michael, Ryan and Rick, that means a trip to see the king 296 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:10,893 of the Hollywood head shot, Kevin Major Howard, 297 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:16,472 who makes a virtue out of working at the back of his garage with no lights 298 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:23,312 I don't pursue the lighting schedule of a studio photograph. It's portraiture 299 00:21:24,716 --> 00:21:28,345 Here Ryan I want you just doing this 300 00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:32,017 Look straight ahead like this 301 00:21:33,358 --> 00:21:37,556 I think because of the style that I shot in I have enabled the industry 302 00:21:37,729 --> 00:21:38,923 - the actor within the industry 303 00:21:39,097 --> 00:21:42,658 - to really get authenticity about whom he is, 304 00:21:42,868 --> 00:21:45,837 or she is, to the performance level that when people 305 00:21:46,004 --> 00:21:49,235 look at my work they actually feel that they're meeting that person 306 00:21:49,908 --> 00:21:51,739 How's the career going? It's going good 307 00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:53,377 Yes? It's going very good yeah 308 00:21:53,545 --> 00:21:54,569 Tell me what's been going on? 309 00:21:54,746 --> 00:22:01,618 Well I - I - I - I - well just - just kinda moving along, you know 310 00:22:04,723 --> 00:22:06,213 What I try to do with available light is just 311 00:22:06,391 --> 00:22:08,188 that's the light that's God given us 312 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:10,355 It's what we look like everyday of our lives 313 00:22:10,529 --> 00:22:13,396 Every minute we walk somewhere Let's use that light 314 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:19,470 Rick, what I want you to do here You're gonna start off this way 315 00:22:20,305 --> 00:22:22,830 Like - like this Butt back in the chair, just hang out 316 00:22:25,711 --> 00:22:28,646 Really nice. You know who you remind me of a little bit? 317 00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:30,109 Eric Robert 318 00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:31,340 No, Ray Leota 319 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:32,346 I hear that 320 00:22:32,517 --> 00:22:35,179 It would be smart for you to actually to take your eight-by-ten, 321 00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:40,424 find - send it to Ray Leota, send it to Ray Leota's manager, and his agent 322 00:22:40,792 --> 00:22:42,623 Well, Ray Leota... 323 00:22:42,794 --> 00:22:43,692 Photo double 324 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:45,056 We - not - no... 325 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:48,927 You could be cast simply as his brother, or twin 326 00:22:52,671 --> 00:22:56,072 I like to recreate in the camera what I physically see in life 327 00:22:56,608 --> 00:22:58,872 When you and I both meet we look into each other's eyes 328 00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:03,310 When we do such things, our ears are not in focus, Our shirt is not in focus, 329 00:23:03,482 --> 00:23:06,610 this background is not in focus, so I really try to record 330 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:08,946 that authenticity within the photograph 331 00:23:09,454 --> 00:23:12,184 For instance, when you look in my eyes, you see that relationship 332 00:23:12,357 --> 00:23:13,654 but that's not being in focus 333 00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:16,157 It's the same thing I'm trying to create in this photograph 334 00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:18,455 You can see her eyes They really come off the page 335 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,030 But it's because of I've shown you within the camera 336 00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:24,965 that illusion of our ears are not in focus, like hers are not 337 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,196 The clothing is not in focus, 338 00:23:27,372 --> 00:23:31,570 and so all you get is her representation of who she is authentically 339 00:23:32,844 --> 00:23:34,573 OK, Michael. Kevin Major Howard, nice to meet you 340 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:35,337 My favourite... 341 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:39,507 Nice to meet you. Right, what I want you to do is sit up with 342 00:23:40,018 --> 00:23:41,883 Pan down just a little Oh yeah 343 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:49,283 Good Michael. Good. Right there Where are you from, Michael? 344 00:23:49,461 --> 00:23:50,450 Eh, Detroit, Michigan 345 00:23:50,629 --> 00:23:51,789 Detroit? Yeah 346 00:23:52,097 --> 00:23:53,655 How long you been out here? Eh, three years 347 00:23:53,965 --> 00:23:55,557 You're a baby out here? Yes I am 348 00:23:55,734 --> 00:23:58,294 And how's it going? Eh, it's steady 349 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:13,149 Photography gave birth to me more the concept of a famous face, 350 00:24:13,752 --> 00:24:16,744 but the people having their picture taken a century and a half ago, 351 00:24:16,922 --> 00:24:21,484 when the camera was first invented, had actually done something significant 352 00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:24,918 Well, the Victorian era was one of rapid change, 353 00:24:25,163 --> 00:24:28,030 of technological developments, not only in things like photography, 354 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,430 but the development of the railways, the canal systems, 355 00:24:31,002 --> 00:24:34,802 and people looked after the sort of makers and shapers of that era, 356 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,971 and wanted to record their impact on that world 357 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,772 and the best way to do it was through that idea of eminence, 358 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:43,915 that portrayal of biography 359 00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:46,346 and the promotion of the image through the photograph 360 00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:48,543 Local clerics were incredibly popular 361 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,048 So they had - they were sort of local celebrities in their own right 362 00:24:53,458 --> 00:24:55,289 There were writers, scientists, 363 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:58,486 the sort of leading figures of the new technologies 364 00:24:59,231 --> 00:25:00,357 You're on my toe 365 00:25:00,532 --> 00:25:01,430 Sorry 366 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:06,368 The next development, which led to the democratisation of fame, 367 00:25:06,905 --> 00:25:08,566 was the revolution in publishing 368 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:11,441 Now, one of the things that emerged was 369 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:15,341 a whole genre of celebrity publications, 370 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,641 and they were called things like "Men of Mark" 371 00:25:17,816 --> 00:25:20,478 "Men and Women in the Women in the Day", "Our Celebrities", 372 00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:25,248 "Living Celebrities" and their titles give away really people's responses, 373 00:25:25,423 --> 00:25:29,052 and attitudes to - to what was in those - those albums 374 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:33,687 So now we've got photographs and the popular press 375 00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:38,536 Well, the third invention to transform the human face is the movies, 376 00:25:38,837 --> 00:25:41,806 because you try and think of all the famous faces that you can 377 00:25:41,973 --> 00:25:45,170 - I bet about half of them are movie stars, and yet, here's the odd thing 378 00:25:45,977 --> 00:25:49,777 When movies first started, from the point of view of the actors' faces, 379 00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:52,944 it wasn't that different from going to the theatre 380 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:59,756 To prove the point, here's an old piece of film from 1909 381 00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:05,155 showing one of my acting ancestors, Sir Stilton Cleese, playing the Dane 382 00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:11,464 To be, or not to be? That is the question 383 00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:14,966 When movies first started, they looked a bit like theatre, 384 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:19,076 because they were filmed in a wide shot But that didn't last very long 385 00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:21,644 Movie-makers soon came up with the close up, 386 00:26:22,113 --> 00:26:25,207 and fame and the face were never the same again 387 00:26:28,386 --> 00:26:32,948 The close up I think changed everything because suddenly you were 388 00:26:33,124 --> 00:26:36,093 looking at a different head than you'd ever seen before 389 00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:40,087 You were looking at a giant head I see your head 390 00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:44,258 You're what? Six five? Six six? You have the head of a man that height 391 00:26:44,636 --> 00:26:50,074 That's all I ever see. I don't see a head like this. That is Godlike 392 00:26:50,375 --> 00:26:51,706 That brings it kind of importance 393 00:26:51,876 --> 00:26:53,070 "My God, he's fifty feet high 394 00:26:53,244 --> 00:26:54,836 He must be able to be champion of the world 395 00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:57,275 He must be better than anybody else 396 00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:03,281 And the first person to experience what that was like was Charlie Chaplin 397 00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:11,219 He was for a period of time the most famous man in history because in Africa, 398 00:27:11,396 --> 00:27:14,559 they would run his one- and two-reelers on sheets, 399 00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:20,867 so the natives in Africa could see him, and so there was no place on earth 400 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,540 where he could go where his face wasn't famous, 401 00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,369 and I don't think that had happened before 402 00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:32,048 Chaplin had just happened and he was beautiful in a way 403 00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,185 That famous shot at the end of City Lights, 404 00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:39,323 and that face, that smile that he makes, 405 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,254 that ends and irises out of the movie 406 00:27:41,426 --> 00:27:44,759 It's an amazing shot. It's - but it only works because of his face 407 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,030 And its power only became evident when he came back 408 00:27:48,199 --> 00:27:51,566 to Britain for the first time, in 1921 409 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:55,635 And remember, England's a little country 410 00:27:56,608 --> 00:28:03,207 When he left, he was an unknown guy who went and he toured America for a while, 411 00:28:03,381 --> 00:28:06,350 and suddenly this thing happened in that prop room, 412 00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:08,782 when he discovered the character of a tramp 413 00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:17,918 I mean, it's a very, you can't fabricate - you can't repeat it 414 00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:23,262 And suddenly he was coming home, and it was, you know, to their little place, 415 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:25,801 and my God they went nuts, didn't they? 416 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:30,771 Because, he was returning to us It was like the prodigal's son coming back 417 00:28:39,851 --> 00:28:44,413 Where Chaplin went, everyone else followed But now it's all much quicker 418 00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:47,854 There's this insatiable appetite for famous faces, 419 00:28:48,026 --> 00:28:51,962 driven by the inexorable expansion of modern media 420 00:28:53,364 --> 00:28:55,457 The media has changed the concept of fame 421 00:28:55,633 --> 00:28:59,296 There's just so much more media than there ever was before 422 00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:02,031 Not just because of television and radio, but because of the Internet, 423 00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:06,837 because of this vast proliferation of magazine publishing, and they need faces 424 00:29:07,011 --> 00:29:10,708 They need - they need to have something, an image, to put on their cover, 425 00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:14,875 and inside it's gonna make you, the reader, stop and pause and look 426 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:18,614 So this desire to be famous is matched by this machinery 427 00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:20,553 that says we need famous faces 428 00:29:20,725 --> 00:29:23,387 We need famous faces or faces that we can make famous 429 00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:28,157 because that's somehow the - the fuel on which all of this operates 430 00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:34,665 The magazine cover that everybody wants their face on is Vanity Fair, 431 00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:39,905 the ultimate barometer of how famous your mush really is 432 00:29:40,912 --> 00:29:45,975 In terms of celebrity - in terms of Hollywood is a very important cover to get 433 00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:51,485 To get yourself on that cover it kind of signifies that you've arrived 434 00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,359 It's Jude Laws' turn to be officially declared famous 435 00:29:55,527 --> 00:29:57,392 on this cover of Vanity Fair 436 00:29:57,562 --> 00:30:01,658 But how much of this great British actor did they really want? 437 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:04,835 ...all great covers, they are all great covers, I think we need to come in... 438 00:30:05,003 --> 00:30:05,662 On a beautiful face 439 00:30:05,837 --> 00:30:06,735 On a beautiful face 440 00:30:06,905 --> 00:30:08,839 There you get the eye contact, which is nice 441 00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:11,373 This one's the best one that shows intensity on the face, 442 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,238 and the different kind of character he could do 443 00:30:13,411 --> 00:30:15,538 I love these large - these larger scale... 444 00:30:15,713 --> 00:30:18,876 I think they always look so much better on news-stand 445 00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:26,654 It's whether they can sell magazines 446 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:29,020 Whether there's something instantly appealing about their face 447 00:30:29,194 --> 00:30:30,786 that's going to get them on the magazine cover 448 00:30:30,962 --> 00:30:32,589 Not that they're particularly good at what they do 449 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:34,356 I mean, how often do you see Woody Allen 450 00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:36,022 on the cover of a magazine, for example? 451 00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:39,534 How often do you see any of the really powerful directors? 452 00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:42,605 When's the last Martin Scorsese cover you saw in Vanity Fair? 453 00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:44,799 Well, you didn't see one because why would they? 454 00:30:45,543 --> 00:30:46,635 That's not the nature of fame 455 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:52,438 Michael, Ryan and Rick are still some way from the cover of Vanity Fair, 456 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:57,282 but today they have a once in a lifetime chance 457 00:30:57,455 --> 00:31:00,822 to get a bit closer, by meeting Mali Finn 458 00:31:05,063 --> 00:31:06,291 I'm very excited about it 459 00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,358 It reminds me of a Shakespearean quote from Taming of the Shrew, 460 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:12,367 Petruchio, goes Such wind as scatters young men through the world 461 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:15,802 to seek their fortunes further than at home where small experience grows 462 00:31:16,174 --> 00:31:18,142 Ryan is definitely a character actor 463 00:31:18,309 --> 00:31:21,972 He would never play a leading man role for me at the get go 464 00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:25,939 I have thrust myself into this maze happily to arrive and thrive as best I may 465 00:31:26,117 --> 00:31:30,281 He has almost hawk-like round nose here 466 00:31:30,688 --> 00:31:32,747 Crowns in my purse I have, and goods at home 467 00:31:33,191 --> 00:31:34,818 Very tight, little thin lips 468 00:31:34,993 --> 00:31:36,688 And so I'm come abroad to see the world 469 00:31:36,861 --> 00:31:38,624 Very squinty eyes 470 00:31:38,796 --> 00:31:41,731 I'm very excited. I hope that she'll call me in for an interview 471 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,733 His face is so ill proportioned 472 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,303 And cast me in a major motion picture That's my ultimate goal 473 00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:49,997 His face is a very closed face to me 474 00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:55,509 What impression do you think your features get? 475 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,678 Well, my nose is the first one to the door 476 00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:00,943 So that's an interesting impression I suppose 477 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:02,848 You have a very - very prominent nose... 478 00:32:03,021 --> 00:32:03,453 Yes it... 479 00:32:03,621 --> 00:32:06,488 ...a very hawk-like nose There are other noses like that 480 00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:09,684 It is a very big nose, and it's - and - and it's 481 00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:13,262 - it's one of those features that stands out immediately, and 482 00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:18,425 - and it's going to - it could either limit you in terms of what you apply, 483 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:22,562 which naturally will - to a great extent, but there - also because 484 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:26,540 - because it is so prominent, actors have had prominent, you know, 485 00:32:26,844 --> 00:32:30,871 features that have - that have really made them stand out, so 486 00:32:31,716 --> 00:32:33,149 You have crooked teeth Crooked teeth yeah 487 00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:34,876 I love crooked teeth Oh really 488 00:32:35,053 --> 00:32:37,886 Yeah - yeah - yeah - yeah They're very good teeth 489 00:32:38,056 --> 00:32:40,616 Very crooked. That works fine OK 490 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:41,724 They work for you That's good 491 00:32:41,893 --> 00:32:43,884 And very big ears Yeah 492 00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:47,790 That you're hiding right now And probably a smart thing to do 493 00:32:49,767 --> 00:32:53,931 No, so I imagine the comedy, you know, the comedic characters and 494 00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:56,437 - and every once in a while, the nasty side kick 495 00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:57,733 Yeah 496 00:32:58,476 --> 00:33:00,569 I feel a little humbled 497 00:33:00,745 --> 00:33:03,179 It was very shocking and I felt a bit uncomfortable at first 498 00:33:03,348 --> 00:33:06,146 because I'd never had anyone done it before you know, but it was 499 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:11,482 - it was - refreshing to have someone so honest 500 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:15,183 and so professional to really confront you with 501 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,558 what you need to do to be successful or unsuccessful 502 00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:29,799 I think it's a great opportunity 503 00:33:30,174 --> 00:33:32,642 Rick's face is more beautifully proportioned 504 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:34,072 I'm just looking forward to it 505 00:33:34,245 --> 00:33:38,147 It's a stronger, fuller, wider jaw line 506 00:33:38,316 --> 00:33:40,181 I think I can get a lot of direction from her 507 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,285 This eye looks like it's a little bit smaller 508 00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,149 She'll kind of give me a - her opinion 509 00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:49,726 Both of them have quite - large foreheads 510 00:33:50,128 --> 00:33:52,289 Her ideas. A recommendation maybe 511 00:33:52,463 --> 00:33:54,897 There's an openness about his face 512 00:33:58,903 --> 00:34:01,599 If you were the casting director, how would you cast yourself? 513 00:34:02,073 --> 00:34:03,233 What kind of roles? 514 00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:13,239 Probably a kind of soap opera type - maybe leading man 515 00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:15,212 Soap opera leading man 516 00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:15,909 Sure 517 00:34:16,087 --> 00:34:18,214 Why do you say that? Be specific about that 518 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:19,083 Um? 519 00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:21,088 In terms of your eyes, your lips, your nose... 520 00:34:21,259 --> 00:34:22,920 Shape of the face 521 00:34:23,094 --> 00:34:24,721 I've been told I have striking features 522 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:25,453 Ahum 523 00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:27,325 You know, so 524 00:34:27,498 --> 00:34:30,228 Well, everything is - very well proportioned 525 00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:32,869 You have these beautiful eyebrows here 526 00:34:33,037 --> 00:34:36,666 You have this - you know, you have this strong jaw line, and 527 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:43,770 - and you have - you have - looks like you know your ears and your 528 00:34:43,948 --> 00:34:47,349 - your cheek bones, everything seems very well proportioned 529 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:52,413 Your face is too pretty for me And I would put you in a soap opera 530 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:53,818 You would? Yes, I would 531 00:34:53,991 --> 00:34:55,219 So you kinda agree with me, then? 532 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,554 Yes I do. I do. And I think that's a good place to start 533 00:34:57,728 --> 00:35:01,459 We could start it in soap operas, Meg Ryan A lot of people started in soap operas 534 00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:02,155 They do... 535 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,801 ...But don't come to me until you get a few bruises and you know, 536 00:35:04,969 --> 00:35:06,163 until you have a scar on your 537 00:35:06,337 --> 00:35:08,328 And until, you know, your teeth are a little crooked... 538 00:35:08,506 --> 00:35:09,165 A little chip in the tooth? 539 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:10,807 Exactly. I want all of those things Right 540 00:35:10,975 --> 00:35:14,001 Because I really like real faces, and that's what I try to populate 541 00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:18,114 my films with, are faces that have blemishes, and have a reality to them 542 00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,375 It's terrible to look at somebody's face and say, 543 00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:22,951 "Your face doesn't look real." You know... 544 00:35:23,488 --> 00:35:28,824 I felt a connection just talking to her, and felt a lot of honesty 545 00:35:30,394 --> 00:35:32,726 It's just a vibe. It was a great vibe sitting in there 546 00:35:41,339 --> 00:35:44,035 For my special play it's gonna go real well, I'm gonna make sure of that 547 00:35:44,242 --> 00:35:46,107 I don't know whether he has any of the stupid features 548 00:35:46,277 --> 00:35:50,475 that are going to really mark him as a film 549 00:35:50,848 --> 00:35:54,045 It's very important, you know, being an up and coming actor 550 00:35:54,218 --> 00:35:56,243 to meet as many casting directors as you can 551 00:35:56,420 --> 00:36:00,379 His face is more perfectly proportioned than Ryan's 552 00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,218 The more casting directors you meet, of course, the better 553 00:36:03,394 --> 00:36:07,524 His eyes are the most liquid of - of all of these 554 00:36:07,932 --> 00:36:11,060 This is like - like a piece of pie like golden 555 00:36:11,235 --> 00:36:16,798 He would definitely play the supporting, the best friend of in films 556 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:20,633 It could really skyrocket your career almost over night if - if they like you 557 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,671 There's a - a sweetness and an openness about his face 558 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,185 Talk to me a little bit about - how 559 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,947 - what kind of roles you think you'll play? 560 00:36:35,993 --> 00:36:39,053 Leading man. I've got a very domineering presence 561 00:36:39,463 --> 00:36:40,794 And how do you see your face? Tell me about your face 562 00:36:40,965 --> 00:36:42,159 Talk to me about... 563 00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:51,332 My eyes are piercing My - my smile is enticing 564 00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:55,409 You have beautiful teeth 565 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:58,447 Yes, I have very beautiful teeth Never had any cavities 566 00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,481 And you have very full lips 567 00:37:02,153 --> 00:37:03,620 Yes... Carry on, you'll make me blush 568 00:37:03,788 --> 00:37:04,755 Good 569 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:15,021 I can be just as kind-looking on the wing and too can I say Lucifer himself 570 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:19,030 I perhaps would never cast you in a mean-spirited 571 00:37:19,203 --> 00:37:22,434 or villainous or bad guy role initially. 572 00:37:22,607 --> 00:37:23,403 Well, that's good 573 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:25,474 I would - yeah - I've been quite blunt with you 574 00:37:25,643 --> 00:37:27,133 I don't know if you're gonna play the leading man. You may. 575 00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:27,902 Right 576 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:33,949 Usually I - I think of leading men has having something that is 577 00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:37,986 - that is - that has - of someone who has something very facially distinctive 578 00:37:38,155 --> 00:37:42,148 the minute they walk in, that just really holds my attention 579 00:37:42,326 --> 00:37:45,318 She told me that she didn't really see me in a leading man type, 580 00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:51,327 and that deflated me, because I - I always thought me as that, but, 581 00:37:51,502 --> 00:37:53,936 then I thought about it, you know, most really, really, 582 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:59,543 great actors are supporting, they help and I'm good so 583 00:38:00,411 --> 00:38:06,839 I'm - I'm inflated now about the - you know - the interview but yes, 584 00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:10,476 initially I was a little - I guess inside myself 585 00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,850 - a little disappointed to what she said 586 00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:15,754 Not that she said anything wrong, it was just different 587 00:38:15,926 --> 00:38:17,723 from the way I viewed myself 588 00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:22,689 But, I'm a very optimistic person, and I can work with what I get 589 00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:31,438 So, which face will Mali choose? Would she go for number one, 590 00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:36,342 Ryan who has a nose for Shakespeare? Or what about number two, Rick? 591 00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:40,879 Would she go all soapy about his pretty-boy looks? Or is it number three, 592 00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:43,247 Michael, who thinks he's a bit of a devil, 593 00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:45,150 but does he have the face of an angel? 594 00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:55,021 Michael has a face that invites me in immediately 595 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,830 There are - his eyes as he says - and he said 596 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:01,631 "I have piercing eyes" and he's absolutely right 597 00:39:01,806 --> 00:39:06,834 And his wonderful warm smile. I would use Michael more than the other two 598 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,248 I remember one last thing about fame It's luck. It's luck 599 00:39:19,423 --> 00:39:24,417 Almost every movie star that we could mention got famous 600 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:29,060 because they had a good part in a hit movie that someone else turned down 601 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,897 So they didn't, basically, except for a man like Stallone 602 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:36,301 who wrote his own part, or Ben and Matt Damon, 603 00:39:36,474 --> 00:39:40,968 who wrote their own parts in Goodwill Hunting, stars become stars by accident, 604 00:39:41,145 --> 00:39:45,377 and they know that, and that insecurity goes with them for ever 605 00:39:47,585 --> 00:39:50,884 And what's waiting for Michael if his face does become famous? 606 00:39:52,022 --> 00:39:54,957 I mean, when I came here to America eighteen years ago, 607 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:59,495 and I did Remington Steele, I remember when Remington started coming out 608 00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:04,259 on TV going through the shopping mall with the - the family, 609 00:40:04,435 --> 00:40:09,134 and you know somebody would recognise me and my kids, my children, 610 00:40:09,306 --> 00:40:10,898 would say, "Dad, someone recognised you." 611 00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,806 And I'd say, "Where, where..." And it makes you swell doesn't it 612 00:40:14,979 --> 00:40:16,446 It makes you feel good, you know 613 00:40:16,614 --> 00:40:19,674 I think the biggest emotional effect was when my Estee Lauder campaign 614 00:40:19,850 --> 00:40:22,546 started kicking in, and I was in South Africa making a movie, 615 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:27,885 and I went into a mall, and suddenly there were enormous posters 616 00:40:28,058 --> 00:40:31,994 of myself selling the perfume Pleasures, mascaras and stuff, 617 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:35,098 and they were massive, I was completely freaked out, 618 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,258 it was so weird that I felt embarrassed to be standing there 619 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:41,496 and looking at myself in case someone saw me, and to this day I still feel, 620 00:40:41,672 --> 00:40:43,833 you know, in the front of the magazines where all the ads are? 621 00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:45,703 And so if I'm sitting on an aeroplane, 622 00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:47,434 I, of course I want to look at the ads, 623 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:48,669 number one I love other people's ads 624 00:40:48,846 --> 00:40:50,313 and number two I want to have a look at my own, 625 00:40:50,481 --> 00:40:52,608 but I could never dare to open the beginning of a magazine 626 00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:55,445 in case an air hostess walks past just as I'm looking at myself 627 00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:57,914 I've found that the greatest single advantage of it is 628 00:40:58,088 --> 00:41:00,556 that it gets me to meet people I wouldn't otherwise meet 629 00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:02,555 Oh yes, much of them, sure, oh, 630 00:41:02,726 --> 00:41:05,490 you can think of lots of advantages, I mean like money 631 00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:08,089 Oh yes! 632 00:41:10,901 --> 00:41:12,368 I think it's part of a business deal 633 00:41:12,536 --> 00:41:14,163 You know, I think it's very similar to you know, 634 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:17,239 if I give you, you know, a book - from my bookshelf, 635 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:20,070 it doesn't mean you can come and take as many books you want any time, 636 00:41:20,244 --> 00:41:23,213 and that if I go to a premier, to publicise my film, 637 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:25,940 you'll take some photographs, sell them and make some money, 638 00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:29,313 my film will be publicised, and that's - that seems like a fair deal to me 639 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,285 I don't see why, that suddenly means you can put a lens 640 00:41:32,456 --> 00:41:33,582 through my bathroom window 641 00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:38,592 I think once - once people identify certain characteristics in you, 642 00:41:38,762 --> 00:41:41,162 and fame sort of inflates all that, you know 643 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:42,492 You have to be famous for something 644 00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:44,156 - I'm famous possibly for being nice 645 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:45,495 - being agreeable, for being genial 646 00:41:45,669 --> 00:41:47,637 So a lot of people project onto me, 647 00:41:47,805 --> 00:41:50,296 "Oh he'd be very sympathetic about this, that, and the other." 648 00:41:51,642 --> 00:41:57,444 ...They see a kind of completely simplified version of what you really are 649 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:16,960 The trouble with fame is that you can't ever switch it off, 650 00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:19,594 which is why I like spending time in Santa Barbara, 651 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:22,534 a small town in California well clear of Los Angeles 652 00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:27,370 I like the relative anonymity I have here, I can walk down the street 653 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,513 and nobody really takes any notice 654 00:42:34,151 --> 00:42:37,780 Back in London, well, I enjoy being recognised by the people 655 00:42:37,955 --> 00:42:39,582 who live and work in my local community, 656 00:42:39,757 --> 00:42:42,885 like the Greek Cypriot fellows who run the local greengrocers 657 00:42:43,627 --> 00:42:44,924 What are these Turkish cherries then? 658 00:42:45,996 --> 00:42:46,621 What? 659 00:42:46,797 --> 00:42:48,526 Turkish stuff you've got here? Does your mother know? 660 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,664 Is my mum here? 661 00:42:56,607 --> 00:42:57,767 No. Flash of alarm there 662 00:42:58,509 --> 00:43:00,067 Seriously, what do you think of the black cherries? 663 00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:01,973 They're nice The black cherries are nice, yeah 664 00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:03,579 Oh well give me about a half a pound 665 00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:04,645 Give me about half a pound? 666 00:43:07,117 --> 00:43:11,349 Hold on, you haven't paid for those Unfortunately we know where you live, mate 667 00:43:11,522 --> 00:43:12,784 So, you can't get away 668 00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:15,187 If you're as slow as that, you don't deserve to get paid 669 00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:16,849 Oooh 670 00:43:17,027 --> 00:43:19,495 Right, out we go Do you wanna bag? 671 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:21,422 No - no the hands are working just... 672 00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:29,664 You see, that's the kind of recognition I like, and I think everyone does, 673 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,967 because it makes you feel part of the community, you know, 674 00:43:32,142 --> 00:43:35,600 to those guys I'm just the man who lived round the corner for years 675 00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:39,875 and who apparently is sometimes on the television, which is - is great, 676 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:44,646 cos it feels natural, and they know me a bit, so it's real, 677 00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:48,689 whereas this business of getting recognised from the television 678 00:43:53,864 --> 00:43:56,992 - to be totally honest, I've never been a hundred per cent comfortable with it, 679 00:43:57,167 --> 00:44:02,901 because it feels, well, artificial I mean, they don't know who I actually am 680 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:04,404 You shot him! 681 00:44:05,209 --> 00:44:06,198 Only a bit 682 00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:18,513 In this frenetic, crowded, yet socially isolated modern world, 683 00:44:18,689 --> 00:44:23,490 the ability to quickly spot a famous face is essential 684 00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:30,166 If you lived in a - in a village of three hundred people you knew 685 00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:32,768 who the squire was, and the doctor was, and all that, 686 00:44:33,137 --> 00:44:36,834 and so everybody had a role, and everybody recognised who they were, 687 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:39,271 even if you were the ploughman's boy, you know, 688 00:44:39,443 --> 00:44:42,241 people knew who you were and what you did, and why you were there 689 00:44:43,614 --> 00:44:46,913 When you live in this enormous anonymous aggregation of, 690 00:44:47,084 --> 00:44:49,109 I don't know how many million people there are in Greater London, 691 00:44:49,286 --> 00:44:54,223 but it's a heck of a lot, and nobody, you don't know when you get on 692 00:44:54,391 --> 00:44:56,951 the tube unless you've been travelling on it with three other people 693 00:44:57,127 --> 00:44:59,789 for the past fifteen years, you don't know who you're sitting next to 694 00:44:59,963 --> 00:45:02,557 You don't know what they do They are anonymous 695 00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:07,193 So by and large you avert your eyes, you don't want to recognise them 696 00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:09,532 They are - and so you listen to your Walkman 697 00:45:12,443 --> 00:45:16,937 You do actually need to - to have somebody who you recognise 698 00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:21,778 It's as well as your friends, or - or and so a famous person is 699 00:45:21,952 --> 00:45:25,615 - is useful to you because you orientate yourself towards him, and 700 00:45:25,789 --> 00:45:29,418 - and see yourself within the social structure, with him up there 701 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,574 Here's my take on it 702 00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:56,209 I think most of us today aren't quite sure what our life means 703 00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:58,487 or what the purpose of it is 704 00:45:58,956 --> 00:46:01,516 And then we see someone over there, and everyone's looking at them, 705 00:46:01,692 --> 00:46:06,026 and we think to ourselves, "They must know something that I don't" 706 00:46:06,897 --> 00:46:09,889 Well, unfortunately they don't 707 00:46:10,868 --> 00:46:13,996 Whereas back when Florence Nightingale, Duke of Wellington, 708 00:46:14,171 --> 00:46:18,608 Abraham Lincoln were famous, well, they had something to say, 709 00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,744 they were seriously interesting 710 00:46:21,044 --> 00:46:23,478 Which is perhaps why we now put them on our bank notes, 711 00:46:23,647 --> 00:46:26,775 but I can't help wondering who are we gonna be putting on 712 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:29,942 our bank notes in a hundred years' time? 713 00:46:30,988 --> 00:46:33,684 How about Posh and Beck's on a fiver? 714 00:46:34,391 --> 00:46:38,350 Or maybe George Clooney on a dollar bill? 715 00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:49,534 We still have the same notions of fame in a modern society 716 00:46:49,706 --> 00:46:53,574 as we did in ancestral hunter-gatherer societies 717 00:46:54,144 --> 00:46:56,578 but the whole thing has been hugely amplified 718 00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:59,341 and detached from the reality of our own everyday lives 719 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:08,458 What seems to be happening is that we're - our brains our wired up 720 00:47:08,625 --> 00:47:15,224 so that fame is assumed to be a result of high achievement 721 00:47:15,399 --> 00:47:17,959 In the modern world that's not the case but our brains are still 722 00:47:18,135 --> 00:47:21,002 operating on the basis of a world where fame was something you earned 723 00:47:24,575 --> 00:47:28,978 So all the trivia on these racks, all this obsession with air-brushed 724 00:47:29,146 --> 00:47:35,449 show business pond life, clear example of evolutionary wiring gone wrong, 725 00:47:35,619 --> 00:47:38,850 because all these very famous people 726 00:47:39,022 --> 00:47:42,890 don't have a single idea between them that will help your lives 727 00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:48,555 So my advice is - ignore 'em Don't listen to a single word they say 728 00:47:58,442 --> 00:48:01,605 Ryan Martin is still playing his guitar in Santa Monica 729 00:48:01,778 --> 00:48:05,407 and stacking shelves in a supermarket to make ends meet 730 00:48:05,749 --> 00:48:09,082 He's just finished playing Hamlet in the Redonda Beach Players Winter Season 731 00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:13,621 Rick Edwards has auditioned for a number of roles in daytime soap operas 732 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:15,417 He's not been cast yet, but he continues to represent 733 00:48:15,592 --> 00:48:17,389 Scotland's main interest on the west coast of America 734 00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:19,593 Michael Rix has been cast by Mali Finn 735 00:48:19,763 --> 00:48:21,230 as a warrior in a sequel smash hit movie 736 00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:22,865 The Matrix. 737 00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:31,701 Action No, no, no, no, no 738 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:32,842 They're wrong? 739 00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:36,104 They're wrong, they're wrong. 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