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- It was early in
the morning
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on the streets of Philadelphia.
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It was freezing cold.
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And I just started to feel
something welling inside.
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And they go, "Sly, are you
ready?"
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I go, "I'm not.
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"But Rocky is."
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I was a complete unknown,
even unknown to myself.
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And I had this idea.
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A lot of people were feeling
kind of the way I was,
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going nowhere fast.
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And I didn't know whether I had
it or not.
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So I wrote this story about an
underdog,
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a person who wasn't very
appreciated,
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and I was given a break by
United Artist
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and now, you had to put up or
shut up,
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so I couldn't believe my good
fortune
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and every day we'd go to the
studio
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and work on the script a littlebit.
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Of course, I had a bit of
an odd personality I guess.
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Maybe I was born to play
this part, I don't know,
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but it just seemed to
fit into all the things
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that I sort of believed in.
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Anyway, we started working on
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experimental ideas about boxing.
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There had been many boxing filmslike,
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maybe over 300 made in Hollywood
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and they weren't very successfulso
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I couldn't believe my good luck
here
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when they're doing a boxing
film about this character.
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But the point is, it wasn't a
boxing film.
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It was a story about
obsolescence,
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about not getting an opportunityin life,
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and more importantly,
eventually, a serious love
story.
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And he happens to be a boxer.
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So the relationship comes
a little bit later on
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but it's the key to the whole
movie.
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John Avildsen in the background.
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He always took these,
he's driving me crazy
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with these eight millimeter
films
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but here we are, so I'm glad he
did it.
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But at the time I thought,
what a waste of film.
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Now, Mike Westmore, who
was a great, great, great
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makeup artist, part of
the Westmore family,
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he started doing all of the
experiments.
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Here again, I'm just overdoing
everything.
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Makeup tests.
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And it was great, but I ended
up with barely any eyebrows
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left the rest of my
life, so there is that.
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At one time I actually
wanted Rocky to look
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very, very punchy and I thought,
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why don't you glue my nose
to the side of my face?
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So they got this kind
of colostomy bad glue
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and it was so bad, it
looked like a cartoon,
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like I had run into a wall like
Gumby.
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So anyway as you can see, Itook things to kind of extremes.
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I mean, it looks like a lost
clam.
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We got lucky with Burgess
Meredith
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who was a world class actor
with 50 years experience
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and he took it very serious.
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He was fantastic and
developed his character
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that was based on a real
character
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and he had all the mannerisms.
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'Cause I did real good last
night,
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and you should've seen me.
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- Big deal.
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- You should've seen me, too.
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- Hey, kid.
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You ever think about retiring?
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- No.
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- You think about it.
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- My friend
Stan Shaw in the back.
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Great guy.
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I didn't know anything.
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You know, I talked a good game
like, yeah, I'm a good boxer.
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I didn't know how to box
anything, except maybe oranges.
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But I was willing to try.
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The character was not supposed
to be a gifted fighter.
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He was gifted in other ways.
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He just could take anincredible amount of punishment,
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and he was fighting for an
ideal.
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He had no allusions that he was
a winner,
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he just wanted an opportunity.
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Then we came across this
amazing guy, Carl Weathers,
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the greatest film boxer of all
time.
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This man could move.
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Well, he was a world class
athlete and a great actor,
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but God, could he move.
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This is us really
beginning to figure it out.
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There was a situation happening.
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They had hired a choreographer
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and the choreographer was used
to doing old-fashioned films
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like you hit me, I hit
you, you hit me, I hit you.
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And that's what was normally
done in a closeup of two guys
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just sort of, as we say,
shoe-shining.
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One-two, one-two, one-two,
one-two.
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And I thought you know, let's
try to do something different.
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Oh, look who just popped up.
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My brother.
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He was a great singer, is a
great singer,
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and I thought well,since I can't affordanyone else,
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I'll use him.
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Now here's him in the ring,
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really showing his love and
appreciation for the job.
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Appreciate it, like start
tackling me, knocking me down.
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Of course I'm trying to
make him feel good here
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by getting a concussion.
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Back to Carl, he's improving a
great deal.
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And I said to the stunt
coordinator,
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I said, "Why doesn't Carl come
out
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"and hit me like four jabs on
the right?
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He goes, "That isn't the way it
is."
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I said, "Well how about
three jabs on the right?"
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He goes, "No, just follow my
thing."
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I said, "Well, I wanna
see something different."
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He goes, "Okay.
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"I quit."
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So he left, and I was stuck,
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and Irwin looked at me
like hey, who are you to...
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Well this is the guy actually
right before he left.
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His name was I think Stackler
or something like that.
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Nice guy, but he had his
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old-fashioned way of doing
something,
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and I wanted it to look as
close to real as possible,
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and usually boxing films,
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the actors really were not
in any kind of great shape
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and they didn't work any
kind of choreography,
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it was sort of done on the fly.
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You hit me, I hit you,
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and no one was ever in
really excellent shape
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so we started writing it up.
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The director said hey, why
don't you write it out?
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And I thought okay, you mean
like a dance?
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Absolutely like a dance.
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Then we hired Jimmy Nickerson
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and he got in some semi-pros
here
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who blocked out the actual real
boxing
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and I would study it and go hmm,
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that's believable, that's
believable.
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And then I started to borrow
things
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from the world's greatest fights
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and condense them into
moments in our film.
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So everything you've ever seen
in Rocky
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has actually happened before.
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In the back there's famous Gene
LeBell,
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world famous stuntman and Judo
champion.
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This is all practice footage,
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and he's working on Jimmy
Nickerson
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who insists on him
actually hitting him a lot,
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which I don't know what was
going through Jimmy's head.
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He actually did get knocked out.
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There's Gene LeBell practicing.
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He's overacting as his
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as a referee.
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I never saw a referee
get into a full squat,
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but why not?
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This is footage that was
never seen in the movie.
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It was supposed to be in the
movie.
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Rocky is watching Apollo
knock all these people out.
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Mickey is going, "You don't
have a chance," basically.
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This is a real fighter
named Sonny Shields,
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father of the world class
fighter named Randy Shields.
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He thought Carl was just an
actor,
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I said he's a powerful
man, and he blasted him,
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and eventually knocked
him down again, for real.
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We never used this footage,
which is unfortunate.
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It was a work in progress.
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So in between setups, I would
constantly be re-writing
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and re-writing
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and trying to make this thing
work
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for the budget that we
had, which was nothing.
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And our locations were pretty,
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you know, pretty sparse.
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But you know, I think that
worked out for the best.
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I hadn't figured out
Rocky's color combination,
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so this is just us practicing
basically choreography
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and makeup tests.
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And you can see like the
ropes hanging on the ground.
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This was again, just for us,
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too much smoke or too much
makeup,
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we were trying to figure out.
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Like this.
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Hey, anybody want a hamburger?
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How you doin'?
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Like, little bit of overacting
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putting the cart in
front of the horse here.
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I think Carl again, this
was mostly a makeup test.
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This place was freezing by the
way,
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it was in the dead of winter,
so.
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It was not conducive
to moving around a lot.
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But again, we did what we could
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because we were borrowing
the Olympic Auditorium.
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And we're seeing how close we
could get with the punches.
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Those are actual eight ounce
gloves
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that are not doctored up,
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and when you get hit with them,
it's...
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My eye is closed, your depth
perception
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is way off.
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So this is what these
rehearsals helped with,
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figuring out what works
and what doesn't work.
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Oh there's my father.
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We're sitting around before the
film
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kind of figuring out thelogistics with the set designer
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and it was great to be
part of all of this.
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I didn't know what I was
doing, but it sounded good
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and it looked good.
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And we were pretty passionate
about it.
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But really there's something
good
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about not knowing everything,
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you're just throwing
yourself headlong into it.
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Made my father the bell
ringer, that was interesting.
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He'd always ring the bell
about 20 seconds late
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and I would take a beating.
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And I kept going, is this kind
of Freudian by any chance?
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That's me wearing my incredibly
expensive York shirt.
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Kind of hung up on the
tank tops at the time,
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I don't know why.
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Storyboards are something
I'd never seen before.
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It was very interesting.
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It was laid out what
we were supposed to do.
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This whole kind of ritual of twomen
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getting ready to face one
another,
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Rocky being incredibly inferior
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and Carl, or Apollo Creed,
just taking it as another day
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in the life of a champion, no
big deal.
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But all these maneuvers
here like the Vick's
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and the greasing up, this is
pretty much
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what we were taught by authentictrainers.
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Rocky knows he's basically
going to get slaughtered
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so he's just praying he
doesn't get hurt too much.
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And Carl, this is the first
time we actually see him
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get serious in the film as
Apollo Creed.
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You won't believe this camera.
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This is so gigantic.
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Everything we had was, I don't
know,
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just scraping things together.
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This gigantic camera, that
we had to lash to the car.
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They don't even exist anymore.
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This fella here, his
name was Jimmy Gambina,
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he was also a trainer,
his father's a trainer,
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and I thought I'd put him in a
movie
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'cause he was really
some kind of character.
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And it worked out.
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- Don't you think you oughta
take a rest?
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- No, my back is hurt.
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- Your back?
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- My back is hurt.
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You deaf?
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- No, I'm short.
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- As I was
getting prepared again,
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me being very mature between
takes,
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this is how I prepare for a
movie,
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by chasing Adrian with a meat
cleaver.
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You think it's a little odd
perhaps.
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We tried to keep it loose.
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It was a lot of fun in
a way, and I tend to
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not want to walk around all
moody, and I just try to
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keep it relaxed 'cause if you'rerelaxed,
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the rest of the crew is relaxed.
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And then you turn it on when youhave to,
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so you can see me with Joe
Spinell who played Mr. Gazzo
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and John Avildsen,
makeup man Mike Westmore,
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and we're just having a good
time.
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That hat was a real bone of
contention.
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Nobody wanted me to wear the
hat.
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They wanted me to just
be, you know, bareheaded.
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I go,
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So there was a store there
and I bought the hat,
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there's the director's children,
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bought that hat for like $3
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and I wanna wear the hat.
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And the producer goes,
"You can't wear this hat."
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and I go, "Why?"
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He says, "Because,
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"Gene Hackman wore it
in French Connection."
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I says, "So, that's the end of
hats?
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"So, hats are banned?"
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I said, "It kind of
tops off the character."
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And I just went ahead and used
the hat.
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I'd never seen a hat like it,
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it was like this cheap,
felt, cardboard hat,
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but it just worked perfectly,
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and I think made a great
impression on the character.
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I think it just set the whole
thing like a suit of armor.
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It was a costume that he
was sort of hiding behind.
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And then when you see
him put on the glasses
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like they should realize, he's
not this real tough specimen,
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he's kind of nerdy in a way.
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Oh yeah, this is us in between
takes, just hanging out.
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This is a scene that was
amazing.
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I wrote it for 300 extras.
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And Adrian was supposed
to be taken out on the ice
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by this incredible ice
skater and he's showing off
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and I'm sort of humiliated
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and then I get into sort
of a beef with the fella.
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I show up on the set, they said,
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"Well, we've had to cut the
extras back a little bit."
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I go, "To what?"
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He goes, "To none."
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You're kidding me!
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How about a heads up?
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So I went back and I started
re-writing immediately
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and, well, the proof is in the
pudding.
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It became just the two of us on
the ice
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and since I can't ice skate,
Rocky runs alongside of her.
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That's George Memmoli who
was a great character,
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actor and a friend,
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and it turned out to be
a thousand times better
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if there had been a big, big
crowd here.
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So, again, taking the negative
and making it a positive.
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Got very lucky on that day.
312
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But that scene sort of set the
tone for Rocky's first date.
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He wasn't used to you know,
being very...
314
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Well we'll just say
sophisticated,
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but I think that was part of
his charm was his honesty.
316
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No it's okay, it's okay.
317
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Hey listen, are you closed
to the general public,
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or are you just closed toeverybody, you know what I mean?
319
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You can see here, we really
struggling.
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She was not exactly you
know, Ice Capades either.
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We're just struggling
out there which I thought
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kind of reflected on who they
were, too.
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It's like, neither one of
them is very graceful in life.
324
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But together, they're a perfect
fit, they really really are.
325
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I almost broke my neck
on this about 10 times.
326
00:16:57,538 --> 00:16:59,148
This turned out to be very, verygood.
327
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You can see where John's
rehearsals
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were absolutely duplicated in
reality,
329
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so it was a perfect thing.
330
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I tell you, things get
pretty rough in the rink.
331
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Again, this is the
makeup with Mike Westmore
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and we'd be running lines here.
333
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So we've hit the ground running.
334
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I like to learn a lot of
dialogue
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a long time before the
production
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so you can let it go and ad lib
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and then come back to the
script.
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And Burgess, who's a classicallytrained actor and I wasn't,
339
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was totally on board with that.
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And he was just fantastic.
341
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He's really a consummate
performer.
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I didn't realize it at the time
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'cause I had never worked
with anyone that good,
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but now, as I reflect on
it, one of the greatest.
345
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This was an actual
apartment, believe it or not,
346
00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:59,165
and I thought we should add
some things that are a bit odd,
347
00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:02,559
like a mattress stuck to
the wall full of bayonets.
348
00:18:02,603 --> 00:18:05,345
Don't explain it, just,
that's the way he lives.
349
00:18:05,388 --> 00:18:07,869
And a bowl full of turtles and
so on.
350
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We couldn't afford a hose
to wet down the street,
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00:18:23,798 --> 00:18:25,843
so we'd do it by buckets.
352
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:31,284
Rocky solidifies his
relationship with Mickey
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after a tempestuous brawl
a few moments earlier
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where he just unloaded on
Mickey about being ignored.
355
00:18:37,986 --> 00:18:39,379
But that's what made the
character,
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he's just always forgiving.
357
00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:44,949
This is my friend Gene Kirkwood,he was very, very important
358
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in having the film actually
made.
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And Burt Young, who was
fantastic.
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00:18:54,916 --> 00:18:59,094
We start in Philadelphia and
we end up here, this is L.A.,
361
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running along the side of
the meat packing place.
362
00:19:02,445 --> 00:19:07,233
I don't know exactly why
I wrote in a slider house,
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00:19:07,276 --> 00:19:10,671
but it was just an idea.
364
00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:14,544
Like boxers are considered meat,you know,
365
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we don't think of them as you
know,
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regular human beings, but they
are.
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00:19:19,854 --> 00:19:21,203
They have a lot of heart and
soul,
368
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:23,945
they're not just flesh to be hitupon.
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And so that was somewhat a
symbolic move,
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a little heavy-handed
but I think it worked.
371
00:19:34,564 --> 00:19:38,046
And here we are outside.
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Yeah, with my dog Butkus
which was actually my dog
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00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:45,271
and I thought Rocky and the
dog looked very much alike,
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00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:47,229
so I wanted him in the movie.
375
00:19:47,273 --> 00:19:49,710
And I thought it again added
a little bit of character
376
00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:52,582
to who Rocky was, and it
was a gift from Adrian.
377
00:19:55,498 --> 00:19:58,109
This is a scene that
was made up on the spot.
378
00:19:58,153 --> 00:19:59,763
What's that, Butkus, huh?
379
00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:00,895
Whose truck is this?
380
00:20:00,938 --> 00:20:02,244
Come on.
381
00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:03,985
I was supposed to just be in
there.
382
00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:06,205
I thought, you know, it'd
be great if he just shows up
383
00:20:06,248 --> 00:20:08,816
and there's Burt saying,
"Hey, hope you don't mind,
384
00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:11,732
"I called your television
network,
385
00:20:11,775 --> 00:20:14,735
"and I'm basically here to
embarrass you."
386
00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:16,737
And of course, Rocky takes it instride
387
00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:19,740
and goes along with it 'cause
he's that kind of a guy.
388
00:20:25,659 --> 00:20:26,747
This place was so magical.
389
00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:28,662
I mean just these streets,
390
00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,230
I go back there every now and
then.
391
00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:32,840
It's amazing.
392
00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:35,364
They're so small, so
narrow, so claustrophobic,
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00:20:35,408 --> 00:20:38,541
the terrain is just so
graphically interesting.
394
00:20:38,585 --> 00:20:39,412
Yo.
395
00:20:40,804 --> 00:20:42,371
- Yo.
396
00:20:42,415 --> 00:20:44,112
- Yo, you look great.
397
00:20:44,155 --> 00:20:47,028
And then, right here, this
is where she just exploded.
398
00:20:47,071 --> 00:20:49,770
I mean, she became Cinderella.
399
00:20:49,813 --> 00:20:51,598
This is what he saw.
400
00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:53,774
When he's here to pesh up,
everyone else saw this homely,
401
00:20:53,817 --> 00:20:55,558
very, very shy woman.
402
00:20:55,602 --> 00:20:59,040
He saw really a beautiful
person, inside and out.
403
00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:01,869
And she really sold it in that
moment.
404
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,786
This is the game changer.
405
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,006
This man's name is Garrett
Brown, he's an inventor,
406
00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:12,053
he lives in Philadelphia
and just out of luck,
407
00:21:12,096 --> 00:21:14,751
he goes, "I got this camera
called the Steadicam."
408
00:21:14,795 --> 00:21:17,319
I go, "Excuse me?" It kinda
looks like a vacuum cleaner.
409
00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:20,017
But no, this thing was amazing.
410
00:21:20,061 --> 00:21:24,326
You could run as fast as you
could, be on a bouncy truck,
411
00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:27,547
yet the picture is incredibly
level.
412
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:30,506
And here we are in this
very, very inexpensive film
413
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:33,509
using a revolutionary
camera, which really,
414
00:21:33,553 --> 00:21:35,685
basically revolutionized the
business
415
00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:38,384
and is used probably
on every movie there is
416
00:21:38,427 --> 00:21:39,820
around the world.
417
00:21:39,863 --> 00:21:40,734
Extraordinary.
418
00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:48,263
Oh yeah, fight night.
419
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,745
Carl, we had this idea
of him being Uncle Sam.
420
00:21:51,788 --> 00:21:53,964
I thought, we're gonna
push the envelope here.
421
00:21:54,008 --> 00:21:56,271
This probably was so
much out of our budget
422
00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:57,664
we could barely afford it.
423
00:21:57,707 --> 00:21:59,056
The robe they made for me
424
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,971
was for a guy who was six foot
five
425
00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:03,017
but again, we work it into the
movie.
426
00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:04,932
"Don't you think this
robe is kind of baggy?"
427
00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:07,151
"Eh it looks great, don't worry
about it."
428
00:22:12,287 --> 00:22:13,723
We don't have many extras,
429
00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:15,769
so the camera angles
are very, very important
430
00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:17,510
to be shooting up
431
00:22:17,553 --> 00:22:19,163
and these little lights which
you see in the background
432
00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:21,949
which add depth of field,
these Christmas lights,
433
00:22:21,992 --> 00:22:23,951
they're very effective.
434
00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:28,956
And out here, we're starting
out working on the choreography
435
00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:32,394
that eventually will be
almost punch for punch
436
00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:36,355
exactly what happens in the
final product.
437
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,053
So it's interesting to see how,
bam bam.
438
00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:43,710
It worked!
439
00:22:43,753 --> 00:22:45,189
I mean, it was shocking.
440
00:22:45,233 --> 00:22:47,757
I enjoy seeing this here.
441
00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:49,237
Of course, you never know
when you get out there.
442
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,892
It could be the biggest waste oftime
443
00:22:51,935 --> 00:22:54,024
and you go oh, it looks really
phony,
444
00:22:54,068 --> 00:22:57,419
but we're able to take it from
the gym
445
00:22:58,681 --> 00:23:00,509
where you didn't know, I mean,
446
00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:02,859
you have to understand, we
didn't know what we were doing.
447
00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:05,688
No one ever rehearsed for
months and months and months
448
00:23:05,732 --> 00:23:07,255
and months and months.
449
00:23:07,298 --> 00:23:09,866
And boxing films weren't
very, very popular,
450
00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:12,652
so I thought, are we just
really wasting our time?
451
00:23:12,695 --> 00:23:15,263
Or is this actually going
to translate into something?
452
00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:17,396
So every day you go in there,
453
00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:20,660
I hope this is just not
gonna be an embarrassment.
454
00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:23,793
From that little gym, it
worked in the big picture.
455
00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:25,665
Punch for punch.
456
00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:29,190
And we were able to do this
time and time and time again,
457
00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:33,063
which is why I always
advocate for a long, long,
458
00:23:33,107 --> 00:23:36,153
long rehearsal for boxing films.
459
00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:38,678
And most people don't do it.
460
00:23:38,721 --> 00:23:40,549
It's well worth the effort.
461
00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:45,946
- He can't
even get his gloves up
462
00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:47,513
to protect himself.
463
00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:49,340
- Here's Carl
just laying it on me.
464
00:23:49,384 --> 00:23:50,211
Oh!
465
00:23:50,254 --> 00:23:51,647
Beautiful.
466
00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:54,433
His timing is amazing, it reallyis.
467
00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:56,086
The canvas was interesting.
468
00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:58,611
We designed these stars
which was reminiscent
469
00:23:58,654 --> 00:24:00,134
of Apollo Creed's trunks.
470
00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:23,157
The acting started six
months earlier in the gym,
471
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,855
and you're just hoping it works
there.
472
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:31,644
We've been building up
to this, right here.
473
00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:33,384
This is the harder part.
474
00:24:33,428 --> 00:24:36,736
How do you keep the audience
engaged with the drama
475
00:24:36,779 --> 00:24:38,302
that these men are going
through,
476
00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:41,044
and the trauma what they're
going through.
477
00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,229
This I believe is after the
show.
478
00:24:52,273 --> 00:24:54,057
We're all pretty much wrapped up
479
00:24:54,101 --> 00:24:56,146
and having a little bit of
barbecue
480
00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:59,106
with John and his children.
481
00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,284
In my Howdy Doody shirt.
482
00:25:05,765 --> 00:25:07,941
This is uh, I guess, yeah,
483
00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:10,465
it has to be probably while
we're editing
484
00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:11,945
because my hair is longer in
this part.
485
00:25:11,988 --> 00:25:13,163
This is great.
486
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:20,780
We tried to keep this as free tothe core,
487
00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:21,955
this kind of family group.
488
00:25:21,998 --> 00:25:24,479
Bill Conti, who I cannot express
489
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,176
how important he was to this
movie.
490
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:28,788
His music just took it to
another level.
491
00:25:28,831 --> 00:25:31,965
Yeah, classical music
in an un-classical film.
492
00:25:32,008 --> 00:25:33,967
Very interesting dynamic.
493
00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:37,231
They wanted to put in
rock music at one time
494
00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:39,929
and was talking about even Jimi
Hendrix
495
00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:43,498
and bringing in Bill,
he figured it all out.
496
00:25:54,074 --> 00:25:55,815
There's John's children
497
00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:56,685
Hey Rufus.
498
00:26:01,647 --> 00:26:04,084
I believe we opened up
in maybe two theaters
499
00:26:04,127 --> 00:26:07,391
and this is the place where I
was an usher
500
00:26:08,697 --> 00:26:10,351
several years earlier.
501
00:26:10,394 --> 00:26:12,179
Two doors away at the Baronette,
502
00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:14,616
and I would also work
over there at Cinema 2.
503
00:26:16,096 --> 00:26:18,402
And now I'm back with a film.
504
00:26:18,446 --> 00:26:21,667
That was my beloved manager JaneOliver.
505
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:22,755
She was great.
506
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:24,670
And then John with his son.
507
00:26:24,713 --> 00:26:28,891
And the irony of being
in this movie theater
508
00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:30,937
where I used to go back
and forth with my brother
509
00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:32,721
there all the time
510
00:26:32,765 --> 00:26:35,419
and he was singing on the
corner and I'm carrying tickets
511
00:26:35,463 --> 00:26:39,032
and now I'm in the theater,
I'm on the marquis.
512
00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:40,555
How did this happen?
513
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:41,425
It's amazing.
514
00:26:42,905 --> 00:26:46,866
And this was in also on the
West Coast, in Westwood.
515
00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:52,393
In one year, my life
exploded for the better.
516
00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:55,483
So I tell people, you never
know.
517
00:26:55,526 --> 00:27:00,314
You just never, never know if
you're gonna hit the lottery.
518
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,142
You just gotta keep buying
tickets,
519
00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,578
you gotta keep going for it.
520
00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,408
Yeah, I used to cut my
own hair, I know, I know.
521
00:27:09,062 --> 00:27:10,672
Don't comment on it.
522
00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:12,805
I was too cheap to hire
a barber at the time.
523
00:27:12,848 --> 00:27:14,110
I didn't know any better.
524
00:27:15,938 --> 00:27:18,201
Here on the lobby just greeting
customers.
525
00:27:18,245 --> 00:27:21,422
I felt like hey, thank you for
showing up.
526
00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:22,989
I didn't know how long
it was going to last,
527
00:27:23,032 --> 00:27:25,774
I didn't know it was
going to be successful.
528
00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:29,038
You're a very lucky person
when you can find out
529
00:27:29,082 --> 00:27:31,345
the best friend you ever
had is some character
530
00:27:31,388 --> 00:27:33,739
that just popped out of your
mind,
531
00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:36,480
someone who was always
there when things got rough
532
00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:38,352
and never quit on you.
533
00:27:38,395 --> 00:27:41,094
That's what I look at
Rocky as, my best friend.
534
00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:50,103
- And the winner is, Rocky,
535
00:27:50,146 --> 00:27:53,410
Irwin Winkler and Robert
Chartoff
536
00:27:53,454 --> 00:27:56,239
- To all the Rockys in
the world, I love you.
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