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(thunder rumbling)
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- That was Chris trying to come with
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the darkest scariest thing
that he's really afraid of
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in real life
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And I think we all are.
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- I just like the mythology around it.
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I like the idea of a communal
feeling of end times,
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like, let's examine that.
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What is that?
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What is the human race
at the end of its time?
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Who are we?
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- I think Chris has the
ability like Rod Serling
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to tap into these deep
questions that we all have
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like, why am I here, what's out there?
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- It's not just some sci-fI fantasy,
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I'm not saying that there's anything wrong
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with sci-fI fantasy, but
there's a lot of truth
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and a lot of fascination with
what the show represented
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and the metaphors in the
battles between Good versus Evil
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within ourselves and the world.
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- It was dark.
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Talk about a dark show
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And I couldn't believe that
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that show would make it on the television.
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- A mini serie on television
getting darker was,
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I think it kinda started with Seinfeld,
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where Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld said
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no hugs, no lessons.
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And then after that, The Sopranos.
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What is it, the fourth episode,
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he strangles a guy with his bare hands
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on a college trip with his daughter.
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- You took an oath and you broke it.
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- Then we get Dexter.
(saw whirring)
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And Walter White.
(Krazy-8 gagging)
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- Millennium was kind of
way before all of them.
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- If something is driven by character,
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if you're interested in those people,
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the rest of it becomes a sort of context.
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- Frank is a real hero and he's
trying to protect all of us
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from the darkness that he
sees inside of himself.
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- You know, I say about The X-Files,
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the reason for the success of the show
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is ultimately Mulder and
Scully, it's that relationship.
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And I believe that
Millennium is the same way.
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I believe it's the power of Frank Black
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as played by Lance Henriksen.
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- Chris once said something to me,
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and he said that I had to really dig deep
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to do that character, and he's right.
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He was right, he saw it.
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- Bizarre that it didn't get
to the actual millennium,
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but we felt we had to
deliver some kind of order,
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at least avoiding breakdown and chaos.
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- I wanna see Frank in our
political landscape now.
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He would be dealing with
all the crazy right now.
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- Yeah.
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- I think it's crazier now than it was.
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- Oh, it's totally crazier now.
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- [Anonymous] We are Anonymous.
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- They're bringing drugs.
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(guns popping)
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- There is no evidence
any classified information
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ended up in the wrong hands.
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- There was an integrity in Millennium.
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Now 20 years later,
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we're seeing all the more
reason to have integrity.
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(eerie music)
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- 20th Century Fox, that would
be Peter Roth, came to me,
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this is during the I think
third season of The X-Files,
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and asked if I would do another TV show.
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I had this character in mind.
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Frank Black had sort of come to me
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as a result of an X-Files
episode that I had done
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called Irresistible.
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We really dealt with a human
monster in Irresistible
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and dovetailed with my interest
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in the behavioral profiling
work that the FBI was doing.
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I just thought it would
be interesting to do
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a tortured FBI agent who saw evil.
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- What do you see?
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- I see what the killers see.
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- He actually began to see beyond reality
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into the minds of killers.
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- And I think the best
episodes of The X-Files
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that they're about something.
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There's a reason we've
chosen to tell the story,
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whether we know it consciously or not,
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we're trying to ask an
interesting question
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by creating a monster.
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And I thought Millennium
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really had something powerful to say
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about the world we live in.
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- I was doing films, and my
agent called me and said,
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"I have this script,
you've got to read it."
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And I said, what is it?
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And he says, "I don't wanna tell you.
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"I just want you to read it."
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But anyway, he sent the
script, and it was very dark,
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that was the pilot, very, very dark.
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I said, if it was a movie,
it would be a great movie,
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I mean, you wouldn't have
to worry about the darkness,
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people can take that, you
know, for a period of time
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and then they move on.
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But as a series,
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I didn't know how anybody
was gonna hang in with it.
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I met Chris Carter and the
director at a restaurant.
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I said, I got one question for you, man.
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Where is the light in this?
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Where is the light?
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I don't know how this is
gonna work as a series.
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And all Chris said to me
was, "The yellow house."
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It sort of struck a nerve with me.
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I meant, what did you mean by that?
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He said, "The core of the story
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"is the family in the yellow house,
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"and that's what makes it all survivable."
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And then I finally went, all right.
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I didn't realize what a
commitment all right would be.
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You know what I'm saying?
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You just let it out, you go, okay.
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- [Chris] I developed
Millennium with Lance mind,
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that he wanted to do it was, you know,
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kind of a dream come true, obviously.
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- As I started reading the
pilot and getting really,
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investing in it, I suddenly realized,
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wow this is a really educated character.
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So one of the biggest challenges was
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to overcome my own judgment
of myself about it,
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and just try to get on the journey ride
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on this guy's intelligence.
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It's not mine, it's written.
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- And I remember the one
thing that I told Lance.
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I said, I don't want
you to use your hands.
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I just want to use your
voice and your face.
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I felt that the use of his hands
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was a kind of salesmanship in a crutch,
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and that if he was a man
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who dealt with you
squarely and forthrightly,
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that he wouldn't need
to sell his opinions,
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his beliefs, and his convictions.
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I do see him as kind of an idealized hero.
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He was a moral man, a family man.
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His control of his anger
and his rage and his outrage
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is what made him exceptional.
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It's that paradox and that dichotomy
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that I think makes the
character interesting,
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that he can put it away.
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That's the reason he does
it is for them, really.
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And that he paints his house,
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he paints away the darkness
by painting his house yellow,
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or in this case, buying a
yellow house is, I think,
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indicative of a man who is very aware
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of the forces of darkness and light.
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- I could just see the possibilities,
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I mean, Chris talked to me about Catherine
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and what she was meant to be
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and how she was meant to
function in terms of the story.
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I thought it was pretty clear
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that she was sort of hearth and home,
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and a little bit of his
conscience and, you know,
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that their Connection in the
story would be very important.
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They had this little girl.
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Little did I know it would
be this adorable Brittany,
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but she was such a cutie, oh, my god.
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- So I don't remember the first audition,
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but I remember the call back
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because there was a puppy in the room,
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and I love dogs, then and now.
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And so, I was obsessed with this dog,
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and they really wanted to
see my natural reaction
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to the puppy coming out of the cage
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'cause there was a puppy in the pilot.
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And then I remember them
basically telling me in the room
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that I had the gig.
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And I didn't know that meant
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because there was a puppy
in the room and I was five.
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- Had done, like, nothing before.
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I think she'd done a commercial
or something like that
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before starting Millennium,
and Chris wanted that,
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he wanted somebody who is really fresh.
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She didn't know what the word cut meant,
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and then she learned
that print was, you know,
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that meant that was a good one,
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and then we could go on to other things.
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So she was absolutely delightful.
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Really, really cute and funny,
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and always had a great questions for me,
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and we just had a good time together.
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I just really liked hanging
out with her, she was great.
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- I do remember shooting the pilot
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and spending that time with
them, especially with Lance.
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- I have two daughters.
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And I've been through those
years with my daughters.
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It's the most beautiful time in the world.
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Brittany was just an incredible kid.
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I don't know what words
her and her family used
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about Frank Black, but
I know she trusted me.
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And I know we had an affection going
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that was very, very right
and simple and pure.
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It had a pureness to it.
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- There's some really candid
moments in the pilot episode
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that were not written
and that just happened
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because I was little,
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and this is my first
real time on set tonight.
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I think there's the scene where
I lick his nose in the car,
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and that was not scripted.
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I just did that, I don't
know why. (laughing)
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And I remember hearing the whole set
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start bursting into laughter,
and I looked around,
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did I do something wrong?
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And my mom, I remember looking at her,
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her being like, oh, what did you do?
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- She licked my face.
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Most innocent gesture in the
world, and I went, (chuckling)
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I knew we were gonna be fine, all of us.
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(eerie music)
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- We did the little piece in the pilot
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where they go and they find
the body down by the river
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at night, with lips all sewn
together, and I thought,
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man, there's no way they're
gonna let that show on TV.
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It's absolutely not going to happen.
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- Well, I saw the pilot
at a screening at the DGA,
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and I brought a bunch of
friends, and it was terrifying.
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I mean, I will always
remember the image of the guy
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with sewn shut mouth, oh, my god, I mean.
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- It was so dark.
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I mean, compared to,
you know, anything else
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that was out in the world and
on television at the time,
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it was very, very dark.
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It was kinda mind-blowing.
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How are they gonna get that on television?
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That's gonna be a series?
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Whoa, what's gonna happen every week?
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- It was obviously kinda
sexy and kinda violent
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and kind of cool.
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But it was also intense in a way
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that I came to kind of understand
only after I worked on it.
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- The pilot, we shot for a month,
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and I remember being in the
last scenes of the pilot
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knowing that this was the
last scene of the pilot,
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and then we were gonna have a break.
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And I said to Chris,
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Chris, are we gonna have
a month for each show?
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I mean, he said, "No, every eight days."
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And I went, what?
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What did you say?
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I was, like, stunned.
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Yeah, it was an exciting time,
but it was also overwhelming.
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It was like surfing on a giant wave.
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And you have to have skill,
but you also have faith.
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Terry O'Quinn is this
wonderful kind of actor that,
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he was so supportive to me.
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There would be times
where I'd get a script,
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I'd be memorizing that one,
the second script would come in
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before I'd finished memorizing that one,
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and then I got all the way
to the end of the first one,
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the second one would come in.
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By the time I was finished
halfway with that one,
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another one would come in.
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So was an awesome amount
of learning they had to do.
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And I remember Terry saying to me,
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"Lance, don't panic over this stuff.
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"Here's the thing to do,
let's just read it, accept it,
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"and it will come to
you right in the middle,
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"it will come to you,
don't worry about it."
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He was right, it did.
(eerie music)
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- When I got the call to do
Millennium, I'd just finished
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or was still on a series
called Strange Luck,
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which was an interesting show
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because partway through
they lost there lead writer
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and it kind of lost its way a bit,
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and we had to dictate from long
distance through a producer
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to just keep doing whatever
it is you're doing.
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We were being extremely
creative with the camera.
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We were just trying all
kinds of kooky stuff
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to get people from A to B and
to tell the story and stuff.
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I think Chris really
just wanted to make sure
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that I sort of, I kind
of got the aesthetic,
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which was really sort of enhanced,
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what I now call enhanced naturalism.
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- I think the show gets into your fear.
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It gets into the place where
you're scared and alone,
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and you're in the dark, and you
don't know what's happening.
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And it does it not directly,
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it does it kind of atmospherically.
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And through the photography,
through the staging,
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not really so much the events,
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through the events that you
don't know are going to happen,
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that you're unsure about.
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- It was hyperreality.
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- Hi, there, how are you?
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(dramatic music)
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Hi, there, how are you?
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Hi, there, how are you?
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- Hi, there, how are you?
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- Hi.
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- And I think that's what
made it scary for me,
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is that I always said that I'm struck
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by the sort of everyday evil,
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and the fact that you can be
in line at the supermarket
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and be next to a serial
killer and not realize it
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that what evil looks in the minds of men
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is what we were after.
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- Because it was reality-based,
we didn't have the license,
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I didn't think, creatively,
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to do the kind of writing you can do
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with something that's more
in the science fiction world
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of The X-Files.
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So, all our writing sources
were sort of reality-based
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and motivated, and that sort of drove it.
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And Mark Freeborn was
the production designer
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on almost all the episodes.
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He was brilliant.
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So that was great for Lance, I think,
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because he got to come in,
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and you could literally smell
the locations you were in
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sometimes, I mean, they were
so real, they were so well done
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even if it was set on
a stage or something,
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it really took you into it the space.
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- To go up to Vancouver and
meet the incredible craftsmen
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and craftswomen who made that show,
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every single department was
at the top of their game.
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They put a enormous love into the thing.
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And so, your prop person would go,
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"Okay, these are the
different severed heads,
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"we can have one of them in
a plastic bag, if you prefer.
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"This is that would look like.
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"And here's the other severed head,
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"and my brother works
in the emergency room,
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"so I know how to do bruising
and amputations really well."
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And you're like, wow, I love you.
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Right when you think it
can't get any better,
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you get amazing crew, amazing cast,
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amazing production team, amazing editors.
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Then you go to Mark Snow's
garage in Santa Monica
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and he plays the music cues for you.
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- Mark was almost like the
soul, in a way, of Frank Black.
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And I told him when I
saw him not long ago,
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where I said, you were like
a core element in that show.
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- And I think now we're so
used to beautiful television
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and cinematic television,
it's easy to forget
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that that was really unusual, you know,
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at the time the Millennium pilot was made.
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And I do think, you know,
Chris should get credit
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for having that ambition for television
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and really understanding
television can be this.
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I think it's important to remember sort of
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the landscape of television in the 1990s,
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which was cop shows,
doctor shows, lawyer shows.
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That was pretty much it,
and David E. Kelley, right?
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And when you're doing a show
like The X-Files or Millennium,
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you are such an oddball.
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And it was really hard to find writers
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because all the scripts we'd get
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were for procedurals and
stuff, and that's like,
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well, that's not what we're doing.
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- It was all sort of TBD.
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Chris did not lay out some
idea for the season even,
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as I recall, but.
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And I think that was intentional.
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He wanted to open up the
unconscious of the writers
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and see what it would produce.
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- My recollection is that
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you were kind of hung out to dry a little.
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It was like sink or swim.
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Are you gonna get this or not?
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And there wasn't a writers' room.
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At least on Millennium,
the way, there is now
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because every episode
was standalone really.
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I mean, I know there was
this mythology thing,
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but really standalone episodes.
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And so, as a writer,
you came up with an idea
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that got approved by Chris, as I remember,
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but he might guide it a little bit,
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but then it was like you were
really supposed to come back
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with a finished story.
(eerie music)
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- [Lance] I remember speaking
to the people in Virginia,
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The Academy Group.
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And they said two things
to me about it, they said,
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I wish I could solve everything
by nine o'clock, you know.
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And I know they were
digging at me with it.
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And the other one they said,
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if I had been able to grab a doorknob
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and see who touched it before
me, that would be great.
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- Frank Black would have
his visions, you know,
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he'd be at a crime scene,
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and you'd have all these flash frames.
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And it was shot on film, and on film,
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when you shut off the camera,
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it slowly slows down and you
get what they call rollout,
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which is like multiple images,
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and just weird like three
and four and 10 frames
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of garbage under most
circumstances, and we'd use that
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to intercut with the
images that he was seeing,
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which were usually shot on 16-millimeter
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to give them a more grainy
look as opposed to the 35.
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- In the beginning, I think
those visions were meant to be
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intuitions or his tapping into
the collective unconscious
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or it was just, because on a deep level
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that Frank Black himself
didn't understand,
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he had insight into the evil
that these people were doing,
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he can make sense of it.
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It was a darkness in his own heart
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that connected to the darkness
that other people were doing.
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So it was like a deep intuition
or insight that he had
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into these murderers and their crimes.
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- I have intuition as a person.
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We all do, you do, we all do.
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And sometimes, if you really are able
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to listen to your own intuition,
it's not a magic trick.
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It's an accumulation of
elements that you noticed
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that become intuition and has a message.
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- Chris didn't think that
it was a supernatural gift.
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I think that when the show went
more to a paranormal thing,
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you wanted to believe that
he had some kind of gift
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that he could put himself
in the mind of a murderer.
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- It's the psychological equivalent
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of Arthur Clarke's observation
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that any sufficiently advanced technology
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is indistinguishable from magic.
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And any sufficiently developed intuition
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like Frank's has seems supernatural,
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maybe even to the person who has it.
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So it's either a highly developed gift
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or it crosses over into the supernatural.
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And we wanted to, I think once
you say it's supernatural,
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it takes the steam out.
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You go, absolutely, it's supernatural.
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Then you go, it's a different show.
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But if you say this guy is extraordinary
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and it may be supernatural,
440
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then all the rules of real
world trouble come into play.
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- I was brought in to do episode
number two of season one,
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Dead Letters.
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Chris basically gave me the
show to produce and said,
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"Tom, you're Mr. Millennium,
so, any problems,
445
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"just give me a call."
446
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- As far as Tom was concerned,
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I mean, one of the things was,
448
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he was a fixture almost from the get go.
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He directed almost every other episode.
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And he's just so good and so
buttoned-down and so prepared,
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it made all the rest of
our lives that much easier.
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He and I had a sure hand,
he could say, you know,
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if you had a script
ahead of time, you'd say,
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you know, I think in terms of such a movie
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that's the feeling that we
want here and, of course,
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we're all familiar with the
same references and stuff,
457
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so it was easy to,
creatively, to drive the ship
458
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and lead the whole crew
where they needed to go.
459
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- From Ten Thirteen and from Millennium,
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what was our obsession
that we talked about,
461
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I mean, we talked about
this point of view,
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so the whole visual style
was set up to support that,
463
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was that sort of Dario
Argento horror vocabulary
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but with the very tight sight lines.
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- When I read the script,
I would always see it,
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I thought or I tried to see
it through Frank's vision.
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Was more or less what his vision was
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from the case he was on.
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What he was seeing it, how he saw it.
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And I would get as close
to that as I could.
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I thought it was the
best way to approach it
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because it was all his world.
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And Rob and I would get
into these conversations
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about the look of the show,
how dark we can make it,
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and, you know, people
fighting us on all that,
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and, you know, it was always something.
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But we would push it everyday
all as far as we could.
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I remember on Dead Letters,
the first when I did,
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man, they came on strong about
what the visuals and things.
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So one scene, the only way
I could get it across was
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to take the photographs and I put 'em,
482
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exhibit 'em up on the wall,
483
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and then I put the lead
actor or guest actor
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in front of the the
wall to play the scene.
485
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That's the only way I
could really show those
486
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because they weren't gonna
let us show 'em at all.
487
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- Well, initially, they were
super excited about the show.
488
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I mean, the pilot episode, they
loved, they flipped for it.
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They recognized it was a work of art.
490
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I mean, I use that word
advisedly, but it really was,
491
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and they saw the integrity of it,
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and they went to a lot of
trouble to promote the show.
493
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But I remember after
four or five episodes,
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they called us in for a meeting
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'cause they just thought the show
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was unremittingly bleak and
dark and depressing, and like,
497
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Jesus, guys, can't you get
some humor into this thing?
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Something, you know, 'cause
they thought it was too much.
499
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,910
And we heard that argument,
500
00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:11,240
we were kinda sympathetic
to what they were saying,
501
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,950
but we also struggled
502
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:14,860
because there's something
you want to say with the show
503
00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:17,310
and we didn't wanna compromise
it for commercial reasons.
504
00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:19,360
If you're gonna deal with
dark stuff like this,
505
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,140
you must horrify people.
506
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,130
You can't sanitize it and soften it.
507
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,350
I actually think it's kind
of dangerous to do that.
508
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:32,350
It makes it entertaining and safe,
509
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:34,510
and it should be disturbing,
510
00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:36,133
you know, it should trouble you,
511
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:42,730
otherwise it becomes
kind of obscene in a way.
512
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,550
It's inviting you to enjoy suffering
513
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:48,670
and perversity and cruelty.
514
00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:53,540
- I did a new play by Lee
Blessing at La Jolla Playhouse
515
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,880
in which I played a serial killer,
516
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,910
a composite of all these
different serial killers
517
00:26:00,910 --> 00:26:04,150
from the '70s and '80s.
518
00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:06,173
So I read everything I get my hands on.
519
00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:09,590
In fact, I read too much.
520
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:13,300
You can do too much, especially
with that dark stuff.
521
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:15,720
- Well, I think Dead Letters
is one of most important
522
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,410
early episodes of Millennium
523
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:21,900
because it juxtaposes Jim
Horn with Frank Black.
524
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,990
Both of these investigators are candidates
525
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:28,494
to enter the Millennium Group,
but they're very different,
526
00:26:28,494 --> 00:26:31,180
and the important thing
about the episode is
527
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:34,030
their differences illuminate
the character of Frank.
528
00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:37,910
- The stuff that I went through,
my character went through
529
00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:43,800
was a way for him to sort of
look into the future and see
530
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,370
what happens to these guys.
531
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:52,533
When I look at the victims,
when look at their faces,
532
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,310
all I can see--
533
00:26:57,310 --> 00:26:58,360
- [Boy] Daddy, Daddy.
534
00:26:59,870 --> 00:27:02,670
- Now, when Frank works his cases,
535
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,990
he gets into the mind of the killer.
536
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:08,030
He sees what the killer
sees, and implicit in that
537
00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:10,700
is the idea that he takes
himself out of that.
538
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,410
Jim Horn is exactly the opposite.
539
00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:16,820
He can't separate himself like Frank does
540
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:20,700
from what he's seeing or what
he thinks the killer is doing.
541
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,760
- If you make every one of these
personal, you'll go insane.
542
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,650
And that's from having been there, James.
543
00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:27,020
It was really important to me
544
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:30,333
to have Frank Black be a
non-judgemental person.
545
00:27:31,452 --> 00:27:33,650
You knew that people had
to be taken off the street
546
00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:37,230
that were causing mayhem and
great pain to other people,
547
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:39,860
but it wasn't about judging anybody
548
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:41,520
because you're not gonna
get any information
549
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,070
once you made that decision.
550
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:46,450
Somebody has to stay
sane in that situation,
551
00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:48,970
and I thought Frank Black was that way.
552
00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:50,760
- I don't think the show was meant to be
553
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,853
sort of a procedural drama
like so many procedural dramas,
554
00:27:53,853 --> 00:27:56,300
because they really do just become about
555
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,900
there's a bad guy out there
556
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:59,870
and what clues are we gonna find.
557
00:27:59,870 --> 00:28:01,300
He was going to get the bad guy.
558
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,040
So you needed other pathways,
559
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,050
other things, other relationships.
560
00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:08,080
- I could see the child in everyone.
561
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,920
When you see anybody, any
person, stranger or not,
562
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,330
wherever you are, if you
look in a very relaxed way,
563
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:17,510
you can see the child in them.
564
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:20,900
And I'd rather engage somebody
565
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,380
in having that piece of knowledge.
566
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:25,610
Because there's a lot of forgiveness,
567
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:28,310
and a child struggling to find an answer,
568
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:31,250
and a lot of people, in life,
569
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:32,710
they're struggling for an answer,
570
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:36,020
and some are successful and some are not.
571
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:39,350
(eerie music)
572
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:42,893
Originally, they were
gonna call Millennium 2000,
573
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,960
and they changed it to Millennium.
574
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,410
And I thought, what a great idea,
575
00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:50,790
because 2000 is just as cold as ice.
576
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,436
Millennium makes you
think, it implies a lot.
577
00:28:54,436 --> 00:28:59,436
- That flaw that got put into the system
578
00:28:59,590 --> 00:29:03,610
in terms of two digits
for a date instead of four
579
00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:08,610
has become, over the last 25
years, absolutely pervasive.
580
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:13,320
- People don't remember that
at that time, '97, '98, '99,
581
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,690
this millennial thing was real
582
00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:18,080
And there was a sense of anticipation,
583
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
a sense almost of foreboding.
584
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,500
- [Newscaster] 70% of Americans
buying emergency supplies
585
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,253
to welcome the new year.
586
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,510
- Y2K, you know, there was
gonna be this Y2K thing.
587
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:32,350
Everybody was a little
bit on pins and needles
588
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:34,400
about the millennium,
589
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560
and this show is the only
show in popular culture
590
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,430
that I know of that
really tapped into that
591
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:44,240
in a very real way.
592
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,670
- People were not so much
afraid of the millennium bug
593
00:29:46,670 --> 00:29:48,600
as they were afraid that
there would be some sort of
594
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,750
soul-wrenching worldwide change.
595
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:55,450
And I never believed that the
Y2K bug was gonna be anything.
596
00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:58,180
But Millennium, which started
a lot earlier than that,
597
00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:02,250
started in '96, was about
the fear that there would be
598
00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:03,900
some kind of worldwide change.
599
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,660
- If you look back on the show now,
600
00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:08,550
I think it was actually more
on target than we realized
601
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:09,383
at the time.
602
00:30:09,383 --> 00:30:11,530
I think looking back on the show now,
603
00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:13,900
I think something did end
as it turned out it ended
604
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:18,900
September 11th, 2001
not December 31st, 1999
605
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,941
but pretty close to the
turn of the millennium.
606
00:30:20,941 --> 00:30:23,524
(somber music)
607
00:30:39,655 --> 00:30:41,493
- [Newscaster] We see the
lights shining from the spot
608
00:30:41,493 --> 00:30:45,913
where the Twin Towers once
stood, a symbol of what was lost.
609
00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:50,913
- And I think it was a sense of dread
610
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:54,360
that something was coming to an end
611
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,790
and we didn't know what it was.
612
00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:57,950
My memory was, very clearly,
613
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,800
there was nothing
supernatural about the show
614
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,770
in the beginning.
615
00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:02,830
And that, really, Chris
wanted that to be a way
616
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:05,930
to differentiate Millennium
from The X-Files.
617
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:08,670
And Chris, in my recollection anyway,
618
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:11,170
was not somebody who
believed in the supernatural.
619
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:12,960
So we thought this was being truer
620
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,330
and it was gonna be more
terrifying than The X-Files
621
00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:19,120
because it didn't give you
the out of well, it's monster,
622
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:19,953
well, that's an alien.
623
00:31:19,953 --> 00:31:21,710
It's like, no, this is
real, this is the real evil
624
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:24,070
that's out there in the world
that you're afraid to look at.
625
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,700
So it would be even harder for
you to go to sleep at night
626
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,000
after watching Millennium.
627
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:32,250
But I think what he became aware of
628
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:35,100
and he ultimately embraced
with the Lucy Butler character
629
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:41,490
was that it was hard
to make a show of ideas
630
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,810
and not start to embrace the
supernatural on some level.
631
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:47,350
- So Lucy Butler was kind
of the devil personified,
632
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:52,350
and while I, you know, as
I stated that, you know,
633
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:56,220
I don't think that the devil himself,
634
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:58,960
the guy with the pitchfork
is running amongst us,
635
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,710
I believe there are people
who do personify evil.
636
00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:04,193
I've met these people,
I've look them in the eye.
637
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:10,620
I've experienced that kind
of perfect self-interest
638
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:16,090
that evil is, and the lack
of compassion and empathy.
639
00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:20,470
- I had an audition for
Millennium, and I went home,
640
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:21,632
and a couple of days later,
641
00:32:21,632 --> 00:32:24,030
the casting director called me at home,
642
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:26,917
which is pretty unusual, and she said,
643
00:32:26,917 --> 00:32:28,427
"Well, I have good news and bad news.
644
00:32:28,427 --> 00:32:32,647
"And the bad news is
that the part got cut.
645
00:32:32,647 --> 00:32:34,220
"And the good news is
646
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:38,177
"Chris Carter has written
a recurring role for you
647
00:32:38,177 --> 00:32:40,977
"on Millennium to play the devil.
648
00:32:40,977 --> 00:32:43,400
"Would you like to take it?"
649
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,610
- I have worked with Sarah-Jane
a number of times since then
650
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:48,700
because of meeting her on Millennium,
651
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:53,533
and she is, first of all, she
is such an unusual actress.
652
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:59,640
Her speech pattern is slightly different,
653
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,590
it's very interesting.
654
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:04,290
She's very sensitive.
655
00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:08,910
She is powerful, in a way,
656
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:11,328
I would say Sarah-Jane is powerful.
657
00:33:11,328 --> 00:33:15,300
- Oh, what do you wanna know about Butler?
658
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,830
Well, first of all, she's
probably the one of the most
659
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:23,860
naturally sensual people in the world.
660
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:26,610
I mean, if there was a devil,
661
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:29,620
he's not gonna come at you
with horns on his head.
662
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,109
He's gonna come at you and seduce you.
663
00:33:32,109 --> 00:33:33,200
- Was it a woman
664
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,580
- Why do you ask?
665
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,990
- The way you were looking at me.
666
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:38,120
- She was very seductive.
667
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,653
She was super intelligent.
668
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:44,610
And everything she said was
like, maybe that's true,
669
00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:46,250
maybe that's true.
670
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:47,520
And I do remember,
671
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560
these were conversations I
would have with Chris like,
672
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,010
the devil always says so much that's true
673
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:54,503
that it confuses you.
674
00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:57,330
It tempts you to lose your way.
675
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:59,190
- Mike Nichols said something incredible
676
00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:03,170
that there's only three
elements that make up all drama,
677
00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:06,710
negotiation, seduction, or warfare.
678
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:09,400
Butler was a great seductress
679
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,670
- There's a scene in
the interrogation room,
680
00:34:12,670 --> 00:34:14,590
that's one of my favorite scenes.
681
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:15,790
If you remember, in the episode,
682
00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:17,983
I'm sitting on the edge of the desk.
683
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,160
And Frank Black comes into the room,
684
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,703
and without looking at
him I say, hi, Frank.
685
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:28,093
I think it was written
686
00:34:28,093 --> 00:34:32,290
that I was just sitting
in the interrogation room
687
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:34,281
waiting for him, and I said to Thomas,
688
00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:38,520
can I sit on the edge of the
table with my legs dangling
689
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,090
with my back to the door,
so that when he comes in,
690
00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:43,570
I already know who's coming in the room?
691
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:47,647
And Thomas said, "Yeah, I
love that, that's fantastic."
692
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:49,653
Hi.
693
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:54,600
- You were in my house
694
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:59,550
- And then it just started this whole
695
00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:04,033
kinda different vibe to it,
of this playful kind of,
696
00:35:07,197 --> 00:35:09,850
don't think you have the power,
you don't have the power.
697
00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:14,480
- The equivalent to suddenly getting dosed
698
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,700
like walking into a
marijuana lounge in Amsterdam
699
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,200
when you suddenly, can I have a Coke,
700
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800
and then suddenly you're stoned.
701
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:24,943
And that's what it was
like to be around her
702
00:35:24,943 --> 00:35:29,140
because she was always like
touching, hitting that button,
703
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,483
touching that button.
704
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:34,170
Yes, she's a wonderful
actress, by the way.
705
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:35,470
But she had that naturally
706
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:38,210
and then put her talent on
top of that as an actress
707
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:43,210
and really, yep. (laughing)
708
00:35:44,389 --> 00:35:45,510
- It was electric.
709
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:47,375
That's the only way to describe it.
710
00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:51,630
It was looking right at somebody
711
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:56,630
and really daring them to
play, and to play dangerously.
712
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:01,540
- The character evolved.
713
00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:05,010
I don't think that any
of us really realized
714
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:07,210
what that character
would be when we first,
715
00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:08,860
that very first episode,
716
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:13,360
as I think a lot of things in
Millennium, you learn a little
717
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,050
and then characters and
storylines would evolve
718
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:19,050
and it turned out to be
something completely different
719
00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:21,271
than what you thought it would be.
720
00:36:21,271 --> 00:36:23,940
- There was a guy who played
a captain at a police station
721
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:28,420
in the show, and he
ended up getting killed
722
00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:31,520
They hung him from the ceiling by a hook.
723
00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:35,380
And then it got almost supernatural
724
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:38,957
because I had to talk to him
while he had his throat cut.
725
00:36:38,957 --> 00:36:41,420
(intense music)
726
00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:43,570
And he's sitting in a chair,
727
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:48,570
and I'm trying to almost
supernaturally talking to him
728
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:51,601
like it was a dream.
729
00:36:51,601 --> 00:36:54,351
(dramatic music)
730
00:36:57,270 --> 00:37:00,123
Some things that came into
the show were like, whoa.
731
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,490
You know, because I'm such a primitive
732
00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:05,010
that I need some reality.
733
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:08,740
I mean, is this a dream
or is it really happening?
734
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:12,090
I mean, and I have to make the choice
735
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,050
because otherwise my
reality would be corrupted.
736
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:16,767
- We did open the door to the supernatural
737
00:37:16,767 --> 00:37:21,767
and the show evolved to
allow for that over time,
738
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:24,399
which I think was the right thing to do.
739
00:37:24,399 --> 00:37:26,040
It was just something we
understood as the show went on.
740
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,800
- I kinda like the idea of
the yellow house, really.
741
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,383
And that was Frank's safe haven.
742
00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:35,050
Of course as time went on,
a lot of the problems he has
743
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:38,977
slowly crept into the house,
with his wife, his family,
744
00:37:38,977 --> 00:37:40,770
the house, everything.
745
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:42,470
- We're raising a daughter, Frank.
746
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:45,880
The real world starts to seep in.
747
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,283
You can't stop it.
748
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,680
The thing that really would
frighten you, I think,
749
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:58,140
is not your own personal
loss or being harmed yourself
750
00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:01,090
but the kind of pain
that you would go through
751
00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:03,380
for the loss of someone else,
752
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:06,840
the danger of having your child in danger,
753
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,280
that's scary stuff.
754
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,860
That's where I don't
think people even know
755
00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:14,150
how they would deal with
a situation like that.
756
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:17,410
- Once certain perpetrators
had attacked my family,
757
00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:19,180
it's a whole other thing.
758
00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:23,510
Now I'm as vulnerable as
anybody, with the thought of,
759
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,203
how am I gonna live up
to what my beliefs are?
760
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,400
(eerie music)
761
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:37,970
- When we did Millennium,
the first season,
762
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,930
Chris let go of the guys who
were supposed to run the show
763
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:41,853
almost right away.
764
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,040
And that was a big problem
because suddenly Chris and I
765
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,550
were literally running
two massive shows at once.
766
00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:55,350
I mean, that was, what,
48, 49 hours of television.
767
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,853
When that first season ended,
768
00:38:58,950 --> 00:39:00,980
we knew we couldn't do that again.
769
00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:04,390
so he asked me if I wanted
to take over Millennium,
770
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:07,120
leave X-Files and just
take over Millennium,
771
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,540
and I didn't want to leave X-Files,
772
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:13,460
I was emotionally attached
X-Files, and I didn't feel ready.
773
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:15,610
- When 20th Century Fox saw
774
00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:18,070
what was happening with
the movie, X-Files movie,
775
00:39:18,070 --> 00:39:19,660
and with The X-Files,
776
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:21,400
they actually sort of
went out on their own
777
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,170
and reached out to Morgan and Wong,
778
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:28,170
who had just come off of their own show,
779
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,820
and asked them to step in.
780
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:32,740
So, actually, that announcement
781
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:35,220
kind of came as a surprise to me.
782
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:37,570
But, you know, they're fully capable folk.
783
00:39:37,570 --> 00:39:40,050
They had done great work on The X-Files.
784
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:41,060
I thought they would continue
785
00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:42,570
to do great work on Millennium.
786
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:43,957
- It was just different.
787
00:39:43,957 --> 00:39:46,220
It was a different take on the show
788
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,400
and it was more anthology, I would say,
789
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,400
that they didn't focus
specifically on killers.
790
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:58,080
It was more about the Group.
791
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,750
- When we went in the second season,
792
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:04,270
it became a whole new show,
as far as I was concerned.
793
00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:08,070
And I liked the first season,
794
00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:10,270
I liked where it was going, first season.
795
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:11,830
I liked the grittiness.
796
00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:14,313
Second season got a little wandery.
797
00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:19,270
And even though we did
some interesting stuff,
798
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:20,103
really interesting stuff.
799
00:40:20,103 --> 00:40:22,960
- Except it wasn't really
into the kind of procedural
800
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,880
serial killer kind of
stuff then, but I liked
801
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,170
when it started to get
into more of the mythology.
802
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:31,860
- Yeah.
- More biblical mythology.
803
00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:32,910
- Yeah, and we were really interested
804
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:34,710
in the Millennium Group specifically,
805
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,150
and what they might really be,
806
00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:38,910
and that was what they were gonna do,
807
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:42,030
so we were, yeah, we
actually just walked into
808
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:44,370
exactly what they were planning.
809
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:46,137
- Glen said, "We're not gonna do
810
00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:50,660
"too many internal POV visions for Frank.
811
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:52,197
"We're gonna try to tone
that down a little bit,
812
00:40:52,197 --> 00:40:55,527
"so use it sparingly and, you know,
813
00:40:55,527 --> 00:40:56,950
"when it's really important."
814
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:58,900
- It was interesting too
because at the beginning,
815
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,580
of course, in the first
season, it was all intuition.
816
00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:05,120
So that and the visions were used
817
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,900
to just visualize his intuition.
818
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,440
But we really like the idea
of taking everything further,
819
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,840
taking the Millennium Group further,
820
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,710
and then taking the
visions further and saying,
821
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:19,354
there is something, he is
connected to something.
822
00:41:19,354 --> 00:41:20,187
(dramatic music)
823
00:41:20,187 --> 00:41:23,187
- I've had these visions before you.
824
00:41:31,164 --> 00:41:31,997
(gasping)
825
00:41:31,997 --> 00:41:33,550
- And, you know, that
he's able to handle this.
826
00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:36,580
I think that was one reason
for Laura and for her
827
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:37,880
not being able to handle it,
828
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,230
'cause she was having the same
sort of thing that he was,
829
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:42,750
but he was able to deal
with it a lot better.
830
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,810
- Frank Black in the middle of season two
831
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:46,730
begins to go through this change.
832
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:49,100
Who am I when I'm not the Frank Black
833
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,350
who's the profiler working
for the Millennium Group?
834
00:41:51,350 --> 00:41:54,270
Who am I when I'm not
married to Catherine,
835
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:57,210
when I don't have this
sanctuary of the yellow house
836
00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:58,043
to go back to?
837
00:41:58,043 --> 00:42:00,349
Who am I if my father is gone?
838
00:42:00,349 --> 00:42:03,099
(dramatic music)
839
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:12,260
- We wanted to do like a
kind of Christmas mythology
840
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,070
type of episode,
841
00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:18,640
and we like the idea of
using Frank's father.
842
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,940
That was really a
collaboration to come up with
843
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:25,220
what his relationship
was like with his father.
844
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:26,610
- Well, take off your coat, stay a while.
845
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:28,890
We've got a lot of years to talk over.
846
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:30,540
- I don't think we do.
847
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:32,550
- We also wanted to further explore
848
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,710
where his visions came from
849
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:39,710
and the idea that his mother
was sort of contacting him.
850
00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:42,300
- She told me that her
grandmother helped to draw it.
851
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:43,133
- So?
852
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,173
- Not my mother, Frank.
853
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,319
Yours.
854
00:42:47,319 --> 00:42:51,070
- The Christmas show we did,
which I loved, I really did.
855
00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:52,773
It was so fantastical.
856
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:56,230
But the people in it were
real and they were wonderful.
857
00:42:56,230 --> 00:43:01,230
And so, to have a theme that
comes like different rivers
858
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:05,580
meeting at this moment
and then branch out again,
859
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:10,580
but keep the audience
connected so they're involved.
860
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:14,800
You can talk more about
things, you know what I mean?
861
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,063
So rather than solving
them at nine o'clock.
862
00:43:17,063 --> 00:43:19,813
(dramatic music)
863
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,540
- [Lecturer] To us on Earth,
864
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,290
the stars are fixed, and
the planets, sluggish.
865
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,340
- Luminary was one of my favorite shows
866
00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:31,360
because it was so understandable.
867
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,170
I remember myself as a
young man back in the '60s.
868
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:41,170
If I wanna go from New York
to the northern tip of Canada
869
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:45,320
or Alaska, I would have done
it if I'd gotten the idea.
870
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,563
I felt invincible.
871
00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:49,715
- I didn't wanna die.
872
00:43:49,715 --> 00:43:51,147
I wanted to be alive.
873
00:43:51,147 --> 00:43:53,920
- And if you add spirituality to that
874
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:58,890
and try to find your soul, you know,
875
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,440
a young man trying to find
his soul, it was, again,
876
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,090
it was Frank Black putting
himself out on the edge
877
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,710
trying to rescue someone.
878
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:12,215
Alex, Alex, come on.
879
00:44:12,215 --> 00:44:13,382
Alex, come on.
880
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:17,670
I think there is an element of rescuer
881
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:19,860
in Frank Black for sure.
882
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:23,670
I mean, there has to be, because
otherwise, what drives him?
883
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:25,460
That's got to be it.
884
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:28,645
One soul is worth all
the people in the world.
885
00:44:28,645 --> 00:44:29,720
One at a time.
886
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,887
- And I had people say to me,
887
00:44:30,887 --> 00:44:33,590
"John, how can you like
this show about monsters?"
888
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:36,230
And I say, well, you have
Millennium all wrong.
889
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:38,550
Millennium isn't about these monsters.
890
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:42,660
It's about how people like
you and I respond to monsters,
891
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:47,580
to the evil in humanity,
and Frank Black is our icon.
892
00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:50,890
He's the person who cares,
he's the person who steps up
893
00:44:50,890 --> 00:44:53,100
to fight these monsters.
894
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,487
The second aspect that
was important to the '90s
895
00:44:55,487 --> 00:44:57,110
and to the context of Millennium
896
00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:59,220
was the ascent of the internet.
897
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:01,680
- There were, in the early
days of the internet,
898
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920
people who would point
a camera at a turtle.
899
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,320
They'd call it Turtle Cam.
900
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,250
They'd say, look, my turtle.
901
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:07,950
And you could anytime day or night see
902
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:10,210
what this guy's turtle is doing.
903
00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:12,907
Then, a girl said, a
girl named Jenni said,
904
00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:14,680
I'm going to create JenniCam.
905
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,323
- I am Jenni from The JenniCam.
906
00:45:16,323 --> 00:45:19,200
- It's gonna be just like Turtle
Cam, except it will be me.
907
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,490
She put a camera on
herself 24 hours a day,
908
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:25,950
and it included her doing
mostly mundane tasks,
909
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:30,210
but also having sex and eating
dinner and who knows what.
910
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:31,043
But when I saw that,
911
00:45:31,043 --> 00:45:34,420
I realized that we
could have a crime scene
912
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:38,750
that no one knows where it
is, no one knows who it is,
913
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:42,080
no one knows who the
victim or the murderer is,
914
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,270
that's a brilliant setup for a classic
915
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,850
kind of locked room mystery.
916
00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:50,760
- Millennium specifically
featured this aspect
917
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,630
in a second season
story called The Mikado,
918
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:56,420
where there was a serial killer
who was committing crimes
919
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:59,800
on the internet and Frank
had to go and try to find out
920
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,610
where are these crimes
actually being committed,
921
00:46:01,610 --> 00:46:03,540
we can see the website,
922
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:04,960
and when it reaches
certain number of hits,
923
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,062
he's going to livestream
his murder of this victim.
924
00:46:08,062 --> 00:46:10,835
(dramatic music)
925
00:46:10,835 --> 00:46:13,665
(computer beeps)
926
00:46:13,665 --> 00:46:14,640
(all gasping)
927
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,620
- God!
928
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:18,133
We gotta tell somebody.
(modem screeching)
929
00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:19,080
- What are we gonna tell them?
930
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,080
- We need proof, hit print or something.
931
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,490
Hit print, hit print!
932
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:22,960
- A big part of Y2K fears,
933
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,900
where the fear that
the technology of world
934
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,620
is outrunning our ability to deal with it.
935
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:30,460
And The Mikado was a lot about that,
936
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:33,010
about how technology not only helps you,
937
00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:35,922
it helps the people who
are victimizing you.
938
00:46:35,922 --> 00:46:38,422
(eerie music)
939
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,170
There was like a very
millennial thing that happened
940
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:48,340
while in between the two
seasons in real life,
941
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:53,050
there was a suicide cult
that believed that a comet,
942
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,640
it was crossing paths,
and visible from Earth
943
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,170
was gonna transport them to heaven,
944
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:59,290
and they're called The Heaven's Gate Cult.
945
00:46:59,290 --> 00:47:00,310
They all killed themselves.
946
00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:03,040
I thought, this is a terrific
idea for a Millennium episode
947
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,330
because nothing could be more millennial.
948
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:07,410
Broke the story with
Morgan and Wong, actually,
949
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:08,640
and then wrote the script,
950
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,660
but by the time the script came out,
951
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:13,510
I think they were on to a
whole different conception
952
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:15,850
for the season than we had started with.
953
00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:18,853
And that was when you go to the
Owls and the Roosters stuff.
954
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:21,570
- [Mr. Dean] Only twice in 2,000 years
955
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:24,080
has the Millennium Group been so divided.
956
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,573
But this is our darkest hour.
957
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,050
- I never thought members
would kill members.
958
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:33,573
- [Peter] You think the
Owls took the cross?
959
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,740
- It's my feeling that,
it's a classical feeling
960
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:43,320
that all power is corrupted eventually.
961
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,030
And they all are power only
because they are so clandestine.
962
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,690
They don't rear their head,
they don't face the music
963
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:52,313
for everything they manipulate.
964
00:47:53,220 --> 00:47:57,450
And so, it wasn't a
terrible surprise to me.
965
00:47:57,450 --> 00:48:01,180
The hardest thing was Peter Watts
966
00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:03,593
because I did grow to really respect him.
967
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:06,670
But as the Millennium Group goes,
968
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:10,240
he was so mysterious and so at a distance.
969
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,240
I was always wary of them and
knew that it can be corrupted.
970
00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:18,120
I should have called the police.
971
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,210
- Are you with them?
972
00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,120
I'm not even sure I'm with you.
973
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,000
I don't know who or what you are exactly.
974
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,330
There is a line in
Shakespeare where it says,
975
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:29,113
to sup with the devil,
you need a longer spoon.
976
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:32,733
And I felt about them that way.
977
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:36,400
Terry O'Quinn did a great
job of playing Peter Watts,
978
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,890
and I thought he has, talk
about a seduction of friendship,
979
00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:45,000
this guy, he was my buddy,
he was this, he was that,
980
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,490
but he always had an agenda,
981
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,540
and I could feel the agenda
whenever I talk to him.
982
00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:54,200
So it always kept me
like a little on guard,
983
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,370
supping maybe with the devil.
984
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:59,060
- So Anamnesis, basically,
was going to be,
985
00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:03,310
we were going to be doing the
Easter episode. (laughing)
986
00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:05,260
I mean, I can't even imagine the blasphemy
987
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:07,220
we would have gotten if that had been--
988
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:10,034
- Been the Easter episode.
- The Easter episode.
989
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:14,275
♪ Oh god I feel for you ♪
990
00:49:14,275 --> 00:49:15,108
♪ The plot of our lives ♪
991
00:49:15,108 --> 00:49:16,115
♪ Sweats in the dark ♪
(gun firing)
992
00:49:16,115 --> 00:49:18,276
(people screaming)
993
00:49:18,276 --> 00:49:20,920
- I don't really remember
there being any problems
994
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,440
until the first day of shooting,
995
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,273
- Yeah.
996
00:49:23,273 --> 00:49:26,490
- when suddenly Standards and
Practices went, wait a minute.
997
00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:29,000
- When they realized we were saying
998
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,813
that Jesus and Mary
Magdalene had had a child,
999
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:36,130
which they didn't really pick up on then,
1000
00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:38,920
and then our Standards person
got, she was wonderful,
1001
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,300
and she goes, "You guys can't do that."
1002
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,040
- And Glen goes, "Why not?"
- Yeah.
1003
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,823
And so, we were on a
conference call for hours.
1004
00:49:45,823 --> 00:49:47,710
- [Both] Three-hour conference call
1005
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:50,302
- going, we're shooting right now.
1006
00:49:50,302 --> 00:49:53,280
- Yeah, and, yeah, that was crazy.
1007
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,830
And it was funny because part of that call
1008
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:56,410
became Darin's inspiration
1009
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:59,220
for Suddenly Satan Got Behind Me,
1010
00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:02,213
because at one point
Linda actually did say,
1011
00:50:02,213 --> 00:50:04,790
- Because I am Broadcast
Standards and Practices,
1012
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:07,080
and I bear the burden of
maintaining a nation's morality
1013
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,900
on my very shoulders.
1014
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,320
- There was so much
comedy in that episode.
1015
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,850
You're killing yourself laughing,
watching those old guys,
1016
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:15,750
and all that prosthetics.
1017
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,530
- You're talking about
the devils, you know,
1018
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:21,700
having lunch at the donut shop.
1019
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:25,040
- Hey, maybe I'm
old-fashioned, but I tell you,
1020
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,020
things didn't use to be this way.
1021
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:29,240
- I actually screamed from the rooftop
1022
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,093
at the guy that wrote that.
1023
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:34,970
He was down on the street
and I was up five flights
1024
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:36,534
on a roof.
1025
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,070
And I holler down at him,
1026
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:41,753
is it your intention to mock
everything that you respect?
1027
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,540
I screamed it at him.
1028
00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:46,650
I just had to surrender.
1029
00:50:46,650 --> 00:50:49,303
Again, look, man, I'm only an actor.
1030
00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:52,273
And I have a limited education.
1031
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,980
And these scripts come in
1032
00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:58,630
with guys that have been
in college, graduates,
1033
00:50:58,630 --> 00:51:01,780
they write well, they're very inventive,
1034
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,690
and now it falls in my lap
1035
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:08,690
like I was catching an unborn
cow in my arms, you know.
1036
00:51:11,137 --> 00:51:11,970
(chuckling)
1037
00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:14,480
Bloomp, there it is and I
gotta live with it, that's it.
1038
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,873
You know, anyway, there you
go, one of my metaphors.
1039
00:51:17,873 --> 00:51:20,206
(chuckling)
1040
00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:23,040
(Twohey groaning)
1041
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,790
I'm Rocket McGrain and
I do whatever I want
1042
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:26,560
to maintain my upbeatness.
1043
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,420
- Every show takes on a life of its own
1044
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:32,540
because people come in
and add to the voice
1045
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:37,540
and/or find their own
passion in the project.
1046
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:41,310
There were people who investigated things
1047
00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:43,063
that I actually hadn't imagined.
1048
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:47,290
- Yes, we drew really
interesting talented writers,
1049
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:51,240
but I also think they were
shaped by that experience.
1050
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,720
They had to say something
or they weren't any good.
1051
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,450
So the writers had to think
about them differently
1052
00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:00,186
than they would think about
any other show on television.
1053
00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:01,953
♪ His head against the locker ♪
1054
00:52:01,953 --> 00:52:04,467
♪ Started laughing hysterically ♪
1055
00:52:04,467 --> 00:52:07,600
♪ When suddenly ♪
1056
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,570
- You know, I'll be honest,
1057
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:10,380
I was gonna leave after season one
1058
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:15,380
'cause it was just so hard,
it was honestly so hard,
1059
00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:21,670
I never experienced that
much difficulty doing stuff,
1060
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:24,120
you know, getting episodes out the door
1061
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,210
because the story process
was extremely difficult.
1062
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:29,960
For me, you needed a story
that was as interesting
1063
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,217
as something you could make into a movie
1064
00:52:31,217 --> 00:52:33,077
for it to be a good episode,
1065
00:52:33,077 --> 00:52:35,708
and it was very, very hard
to come up with these things.
1066
00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:38,070
- What I remember more than
anything about that show is
1067
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:39,250
I've never been so tired,
1068
00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:40,760
I've never worked so hard in my life.
1069
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,290
I mean, it was a really, really hard show.
1070
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:45,910
Everybody will just say
it was very satisfying
1071
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:47,740
because the end product was so good
1072
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:51,180
but boy, oh boy, it was hard.
1073
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:53,730
- When you're working
hard on a show like that,
1074
00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:56,860
what happens is you get
very, very fatigued,
1075
00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,110
and what happens is you have this,
1076
00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:02,310
you're carrying around
a feeling of despair.
1077
00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:05,400
Yet, the only solution is rest.
1078
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,830
- I liked Glen and Jim enormously,
1079
00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:09,813
and they're hugely talented.
1080
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:17,570
And we talked very frankly
about how I would exit the show,
1081
00:53:17,916 --> 00:53:19,760
what was happening.
1082
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,323
- It was introduced that
Catherine would be leaving,
1083
00:53:23,494 --> 00:53:25,550
and that that's how season
three would continue.
1084
00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:28,160
I remember my mom and her
1085
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,830
having a deep conversation about it,
1086
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:30,850
and then my mom coming to tell me,
1087
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:32,650
and I remember feeling very confused,
1088
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:36,000
that I didn't understand
why, and like, I didn't know.
1089
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,020
I felt sad about it, I really loved her,
1090
00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:39,470
and she was really fantastic.
1091
00:53:40,810 --> 00:53:42,073
- If I get sick,
1092
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,570
I don't want you to watch me die.
1093
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:50,570
Well, at least I saved
my daughter. (laughing)
1094
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:54,140
And again, so, if there was
a way for mom to exit a show,
1095
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:57,193
that was kind of the
most noble thing to do.
1096
00:53:58,086 --> 00:54:00,586
(eerie music)
1097
00:54:05,777 --> 00:54:08,600
- When it was announced that
Millennium would come back
1098
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,380
for season three, which was very exciting,
1099
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:13,910
and Morgan and Wong would be leaving,
1100
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:17,260
I had to look, sort of take an overview
1101
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,800
of what they had done
and where they left off.
1102
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,800
I had to shuffle and think
about the character Frank Black
1103
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,460
and how we would be reacting in my mind,
1104
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:31,630
how I wanted him reacting
to the facts of his life
1105
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:33,480
as they were set out in season two.
1106
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,707
- I just absolutely assumed
as did many other people
1107
00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:38,380
the show is over, they
killed many main characters,
1108
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:41,230
and I think 80% of the Earth's population.
1109
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:43,277
I was interviewing for
other shows and they asked,
1110
00:54:43,277 --> 00:54:44,410
"Is it going to be renewed?"
1111
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:46,660
I said, let me tell you the final episode.
1112
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:47,877
I told them exactly what was
gonna happen, and they go,
1113
00:54:47,877 --> 00:54:49,460
"Oh, nobody would ever renew that."
1114
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,190
Then they renewed it, we
just rolled up our sleeves,
1115
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:55,970
we went in, we said,
let's brainstorm ideas.
1116
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:57,910
- Chris and I were not eager to resume
1117
00:54:57,910 --> 00:55:01,210
running two TV shows simultaneously again.
1118
00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:03,480
And Chip had done really good work.
1119
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,740
And Ken was really experienced,
1120
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,720
was part of Ten Thirteen
at that time, and so,
1121
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,310
I think we felt Chip and Ken
together would be a good team
1122
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:15,700
to shepherd season three.
1123
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,810
- They burn down the world
at the end of season two,
1124
00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:23,070
and I thought they were
doing it kinda out of malice,
1125
00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:24,810
and they really were not.
1126
00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:27,630
I found out just from Jim
Wong in the last month.
1127
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:29,287
He said, "Oh, you should
have come by and asked us,
1128
00:55:29,287 --> 00:55:31,683
"'cause we had a million
ideas about what to do."
1129
00:55:31,683 --> 00:55:33,860
I think there's something
that I wasn't so excited
1130
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:36,820
about then which now after I
don't know how many seasons
1131
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:39,140
of Homeland I'm much
more comfortable with,
1132
00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:41,520
which is that you paint yourself
1133
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,180
into really difficult corners
1134
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:45,340
and it's fun to get out of them,
1135
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,770
that you can have situations
you think are impossible,
1136
00:55:47,770 --> 00:55:49,580
that you think will stop the storytelling,
1137
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:52,350
that you think will do
everything, and they don't.
1138
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:53,920
And it's better just to live with that,
1139
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,920
so that was a lesson I feel like I learned
1140
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:01,810
looking back at season
three of Millennium.
1141
00:56:01,810 --> 00:56:03,650
That was one of those
things I would never do
1142
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:04,687
that same way again.
1143
00:56:04,687 --> 00:56:05,650
And in that one,
1144
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:07,460
it would have been just
so much more interesting
1145
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:10,650
to deal with the specifics
of that contagion
1146
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:13,260
and slowly open up your world,
1147
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:16,630
instead of, yeah,
pretending it didn't happen.
1148
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:20,600
- It wanted to go back to
the procedural season one.
1149
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,600
And so, that's what we, we came in
1150
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,210
and we started coming up
with those kinds of stories.
1151
00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:26,930
- It was a much trickier season, yeah,
1152
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:28,840
we weren't really sure
what kind of stories
1153
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,280
we were going to be telling.
1154
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,060
- We needed another female character,
1155
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,710
and something very different
1156
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:41,170
from what Megan had brought to the show,
1157
00:56:41,170 --> 00:56:43,000
and obviously it's a
completely different character.
1158
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,370
- Emma Hollis, I believe
was a Chris character.
1159
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:50,060
I think he wanted to bring
in a female character
1160
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:51,960
that was more operational, that is,
1161
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Catherine have been sidelined
1162
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,820
both by their marriage problems,
right, but also by the fact
1163
00:56:56,820 --> 00:57:00,780
that she was maybe not conceived
properly in the beginning,
1164
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:02,970
that this family wasn't
really quite functioning
1165
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:04,100
the way we were hoping.
1166
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:05,710
- I feel like she was brought on
1167
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:08,090
because I think everybody realized
1168
00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:10,220
that the workload for Lance,
1169
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:13,590
if it's a one man show, was too much.
1170
00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:17,340
And she was there to help
shoulder some of that weight,
1171
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:18,173
to be his partner.
1172
00:57:18,173 --> 00:57:21,560
- Whath I remember mostly
was seeing Klea Scott
1173
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,910
and just going, we have
to get this actress.
1174
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:26,530
- At that point, Lance had
a relationship with his wife
1175
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:29,940
that was sort of male-female baLance,
1176
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:33,550
and then Kristen Cloke's
character, Lara Means,
1177
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:35,190
and that male-female baLance.
1178
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:36,800
But after, you know,
1179
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,670
everybody died at the end of season two,
1180
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:41,780
they needed (laughing),
they needed a new chick,
1181
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:44,700
and they needed a new
partner, FBI partner.
1182
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,660
That's how they wrote
themselves out of the end times,
1183
00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:50,120
was that it had only affected
the Pacific Northwest
1184
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,690
and he was going back to the FBI in D.C.
1185
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:54,570
and was gonna get a young partner.
1186
00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:57,063
So they opened, you know,
the casting was for that.
1187
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,520
Anything in particular you're looking for?
1188
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,100
Learned afterwards that
the network felt like
1189
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:08,240
the demographic for Millennium
was white males 18 to 35
1190
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,190
on a Friday night, that's
what they were going for,
1191
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:15,170
and they didn't feel like seeing
a black woman. (chuckling)
1192
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:17,890
You know, that wasn't the
audience, that's how they say it.
1193
00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:21,400
My agent at the time, Craig
Wyckoff, threw down for me,
1194
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,940
I didn't know that, with
the woman who was casting,
1195
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:26,217
and he said, "Look, if Klea is awful
1196
00:58:26,217 --> 00:58:27,357
"and a total waste of time,
1197
00:58:27,357 --> 00:58:29,407
"I will never send you another actor,
1198
00:58:29,407 --> 00:58:30,477
"I won't bother you again.
1199
00:58:30,477 --> 00:58:31,757
"Just take a shot.
1200
00:58:31,757 --> 00:58:33,850
"Let her do the first read."
1201
00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:36,340
- Now it's all diversity,
diversity, diversity, diversity.
1202
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:37,680
It was not then.
1203
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,540
This is now 20 years ago, right?
1204
00:58:40,540 --> 00:58:45,290
And it seems crazy but
it was hard to get her,
1205
00:58:45,290 --> 00:58:46,760
not approve, ultimately,
1206
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,300
but it was hard to get
people into the idea of her
1207
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,710
'cause it was seen as this kind of nerdy,
1208
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:53,920
white college show, you know.
1209
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,590
But we saw her and she just blew us away.
1210
00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:57,390
And she had this kind of great physicality
1211
00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:59,940
that most TV actresses do not.
1212
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:04,940
She was just kinda
magnificent, the way she moved,
1213
00:59:05,810 --> 00:59:08,410
and the way her hair was,
and she was just so cool.
1214
00:59:08,410 --> 00:59:13,030
- But I thought Klea had so much humanity
1215
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,440
and poise and dignity and beauty.
1216
00:59:20,118 --> 00:59:23,080
I just think she's lovely, I
think she's a lovely person,
1217
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,890
and a lovely actress.
1218
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:27,920
And I felt like that kind of light
1219
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:33,260
was what you needed to contrast
against Frank's blackness.
1220
00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:36,910
- Interesting thing you had
an older man, a younger woman,
1221
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:41,910
a white man, a brown woman,
and there was no sexual energy,
1222
00:59:44,717 --> 00:59:46,377
it wasn't about that, it was
about something different.
1223
00:59:46,377 --> 00:59:49,950
And so, we thought, like,
what is this relationship?
1224
00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:51,990
And Lance told me early on that
1225
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:56,990
he had had somebody come
up at a fan event and say
1226
00:59:59,430 --> 01:00:01,010
that he had been a mentor to them.
1227
01:00:01,010 --> 01:00:02,430
And he'd been really surprised
1228
01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:05,050
because he didn't think he
was old enough to be a mentor.
1229
01:00:05,050 --> 01:00:06,770
He just couldn't believe
his life had brought him
1230
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:08,520
to a place where he was a mentor.
1231
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,000
And I was so clear, that's
what was happening with us.
1232
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,190
It was not gonna be
just any old acting job.
1233
01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:15,850
We were gonna invest.
1234
01:00:15,850 --> 01:00:18,550
- First two-part episode of season three,
1235
01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:20,130
which is The Innocents and Exegesis.
1236
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:23,580
It's very interesting for what
it protends for Frank Black,
1237
01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:27,000
because he encounters here these oracles.
1238
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,650
Basically, these people who
were part of a CIA program,
1239
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:31,920
they were remote viewers,
1240
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,250
meaning that they could put themselves
1241
01:00:33,250 --> 01:00:34,970
into the heads of other people.
1242
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:37,040
- Preparing for the role and knowing,
1243
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,920
really believing that
you have to do something
1244
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,860
that's gonna take down a
plane full of innocent people
1245
01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:46,860
for the good of your sisters,
is a lot to work with.
1246
01:00:49,316 --> 01:00:50,781
(gun cocking)
1247
01:00:50,781 --> 01:00:52,587
Oh, god, no!
1248
01:00:52,587 --> 01:00:54,440
(gun firing)
1249
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,740
I love the idea that they were clones,
1250
01:00:56,740 --> 01:01:00,540
and it made me wonder, do they
all have like a hive mind,
1251
01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,000
like one knows what the other is doing?
1252
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,940
Because in the script, I
mean, this woman is willing to
1253
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:11,140
back off over a cliff
and kill the young child
1254
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:13,520
to keep people from knowing the truth.
1255
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,280
So, it added a lot of
elements for me to work with.
1256
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,890
- Frank realizes through
his exposure through them
1257
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:21,130
that they're a family like his family,
1258
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:23,150
and it was wrong that his family was used
1259
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:25,040
as part of the agenda
for the Millennium Group
1260
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:25,930
in season two.
1261
01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:27,630
So it's just as wrong for him
1262
01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:29,770
to try to use them for his agenda now.
1263
01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:32,660
And what he eventually does
of course is he lets them go,
1264
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:35,040
they go into hiding,
and he doesn't use them
1265
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,290
the way that would benefit him
1266
01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:38,370
because he realizes they're
a family, they're people.
1267
01:01:38,370 --> 01:01:42,920
Their abilities don't make them
a commodity, they're people.
1268
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,900
- You know, the idea of an
overarching story in Millennium
1269
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:51,360
is obviously troubled in a certain way.
1270
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,082
And I think that one of
the things that, you know,
1271
01:01:54,082 --> 01:01:57,820
we never kind of nailed
properly was what that would be
1272
01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:00,820
or, honestly, if you even had to have one.
1273
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:04,526
- Eventually, if you kept
going the way we're going
1274
01:02:04,526 --> 01:02:07,580
in season one, which is a
serial killer every week,
1275
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:10,423
that may have also gotten tiring.
1276
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:13,920
It's hard to say.
1277
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,973
I mean, once we got into the
anthology thing in season two,
1278
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:21,260
could you have continued on that way?
1279
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:24,363
Maybe, that may have
been a better way to go.
1280
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:30,200
Then what we did in season
three, but it's hard to know.
1281
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,270
- I mean, one of the reasons
1282
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:34,410
the mythology maybe never
got pinned down properly
1283
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:38,510
was that there were a series
of people that came through
1284
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:40,700
that had their own opinions about that,
1285
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,400
and so it didn't have a
proper custodian for that.
1286
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,350
Like, Chris had an idea in the beginning,
1287
01:02:45,350 --> 01:02:47,430
and then Morgan and Wong
came in, and then I came in,
1288
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:48,950
and it was a little bit scattered.
1289
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:52,130
On the other hand, the same people
1290
01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:55,950
in some of the standalones
made just absolutely, to me,
1291
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:58,870
like, fantastic television,
like, the best I've ever seen
1292
01:02:58,870 --> 01:03:00,240
in a lot of ways.
1293
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,140
- We didn't know exactly
where Chip and Ken were
1294
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:08,360
in their charting of the
mythology, if you will,
1295
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800
serialized elements of
Millennium as we were doing that,
1296
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,640
'cause we were preoccupied with X-Files,
1297
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,450
so really, all the episodes
we did in Millennium
1298
01:03:15,450 --> 01:03:18,850
season three were pretty self-contained
1299
01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:21,690
'cause we weren't
following it closely enough
1300
01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:23,510
to weave ourselves in successfully.
1301
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:25,710
So we tried to come up with ideas
1302
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:30,460
that we thought were powerful
and wouldn't conflict
1303
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:33,167
with the rest of the flow of the series.
1304
01:03:35,971 --> 01:03:37,888
♪ Yeah ♪
1305
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:41,350
- There was ones that were
fun and a little lighter
1306
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:43,540
that you could like giggle, and like,
1307
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:47,107
Kiss guest starring, and
that was crazy. (laughing)
1308
01:03:47,107 --> 01:03:50,510
- FOX decided the way they
were gonna save Millennium was
1309
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:53,750
have this very dusty rock
band Kiss, sorry, (chuckling)
1310
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:57,250
they're like, it was like, it wasn't like,
1311
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:59,210
we're gonna hook you up with U2.
1312
01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:00,320
It was, no, we're gonna hook you,
1313
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,740
which was even a little
dusty then, but Kiss?
1314
01:04:02,740 --> 01:04:05,440
Okay, but we want a
Kiss crossover episode.
1315
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,090
Everybody is like, there's no way, uh-uh,
1316
01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:10,080
this would never happen in
the Millennium universe.
1317
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,203
- That's it, no twist, no mystery?
1318
01:04:12,203 --> 01:04:13,980
- It's supposed to be scary.
1319
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:16,537
- Kay and Erin came running
over to my office, saying,
1320
01:04:16,537 --> 01:04:18,975
"We have a scene you have to do."
1321
01:04:18,975 --> 01:04:19,808
I'm like, what is it?
1322
01:04:19,808 --> 01:04:22,537
They go, "It would be Frank
profiling fictional killers,
1323
01:04:22,537 --> 01:04:24,790
"and it would be boring to him
because he's such a genius."
1324
01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:26,690
I was like, it's in.
1325
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:27,990
- Where's it go from here?
1326
01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:30,630
- A lot of people get killed?
1327
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:33,290
- That was a great idea for a scene
1328
01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:35,080
and it turned out to be a great scene.
1329
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,493
The cast were troopers,
you know, they always,
1330
01:04:39,431 --> 01:04:40,990
whatever they got,
1331
01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:43,030
they would figure out a
way to bring soul to it.
1332
01:04:43,030 --> 01:04:44,160
And I think you have to admit
1333
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,310
that Lance brought a very
interesting performance
1334
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:49,210
to that piece.
1335
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:50,320
But they rolled with it.
1336
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,470
It was not what they were
expecting, but it's Millennium,
1337
01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:55,778
a lot of stuff can happen in that show.
1338
01:04:55,778 --> 01:04:58,278
(eerie music)
1339
01:05:02,592 --> 01:05:06,210
- When you're an actor
at a show like Millennium
1340
01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:08,163
and you don't know what's gonna happen,
1341
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:12,103
you start writing it
yourself in your head.
1342
01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:16,100
It's very difficult not to
just suggest things to people.
1343
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:17,200
You know, like, the director said,
1344
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,630
wouldn't be great if,
you know, it turned out
1345
01:05:19,630 --> 01:05:22,030
that I was really a bad guy,
1346
01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:25,628
that I was running the
Millennium Group clandestine,
1347
01:05:25,628 --> 01:05:28,270
you know, head of the hydra, you know,
1348
01:05:28,270 --> 01:05:30,790
behind the Millennium
Group, and stuff like that.
1349
01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:33,110
And there was a lot of
speculation about that
1350
01:05:33,110 --> 01:05:35,230
because nobody knew what was going on
1351
01:05:35,230 --> 01:05:36,550
in the minds of the writers.
1352
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:39,270
- The first episode, I
remember, season three
1353
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:40,760
that I really liked, that felt like
1354
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,730
we were getting back into our
groove with Skull and Bones.
1355
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:46,340
- Skull and Bones is one
of my favorite episodes
1356
01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:47,390
of the third season, I think.
1357
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:49,490
It's a really strong story
1358
01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:51,500
that exposes some of the machinery
1359
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:54,000
behind the Millennium Group.
1360
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,010
Frank is tracking down
someone else like him,
1361
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:59,100
someone named Ed.
1362
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:03,420
And Ed has for the last 15
years, taken down notes,
1363
01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:04,870
and he's written all these notebooks
1364
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:06,540
about what he's seeing in the world.
1365
01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:08,460
He'll look at a newspaper article
1366
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:10,500
and he'll start taking down notes,
1367
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,790
and he'll start to to see
what's behind the curtain.
1368
01:06:14,790 --> 01:06:16,150
What is this current event story
1369
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:18,530
and what's really behind
the current event story.
1370
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:20,820
And what's behind that is the conspiracy,
1371
01:06:20,820 --> 01:06:22,060
is the Millennium Group.
1372
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:23,270
- There's this Turkish proverb,
1373
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:25,850
no matter how far you go down
the wrong road, turn back.
1374
01:06:25,850 --> 01:06:28,810
So we started to do that
not even just in seven
1375
01:06:28,810 --> 01:06:32,390
but in the episode before with
Skull and Bones, to start,
1376
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:36,830
like, talking again about
what the show is really about.
1377
01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:41,170
- Who, Agent Hollis, is
prepared to do what is necessary
1378
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:43,240
to assure our future?
1379
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,910
- Yeah, that was where
we first started to see
1380
01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:46,750
the Millennium Group, you know,
1381
01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:50,090
in text as a kind of bad
thing possibly, right.
1382
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:52,650
They started a conversation
with Agent Hollis
1383
01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:56,480
at the end of it where he
talked about their role
1384
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,550
in sort of turning back the tide of chaos,
1385
01:06:58,550 --> 01:06:59,730
whatever that was.
1386
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,480
We started to get their sense of
1387
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,650
what they felt their
role was in the world.
1388
01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:07,180
- The only thing I wanted
was a little more resolution
1389
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:08,330
to the Millennium Group.
1390
01:07:08,330 --> 01:07:13,207
I personally felt like we
needed to figure that out,
1391
01:07:13,207 --> 01:07:16,500
and I felt we were always
right on the brink,
1392
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,670
on the cusp of it.
1393
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:21,010
I was always hoping it
would happen in my episode
1394
01:07:21,010 --> 01:07:23,570
that I would, like, figure
out the Millennium Group.
1395
01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:25,260
- So season one you think
the Millennium Group
1396
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:27,360
is just a consulting group.
1397
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,590
Season two, you realize,
1398
01:07:28,590 --> 01:07:31,460
oh, they're an ancient secret society.
1399
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:34,870
And then season three, you
rectify both of those things
1400
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:39,170
by saying, they were, and
then Tolson and Hoover
1401
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:40,580
co-opted it.
- Yeah.
1402
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:42,970
- And that's why FBI agents
1403
01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:44,130
are also in the Millennium Group.
1404
01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:48,350
- But I do think in season
one, Peter Watts was like,
1405
01:07:48,350 --> 01:07:50,540
he didn't have Frank's gift,
1406
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:54,180
and he was there to enable
Frank to do his best,
1407
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:56,623
but he wasn't able to see what Frank saw.
1408
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,400
But I do think as life
goes on, unfortunately,
1409
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:08,370
people do get defeated by life sometimes.
1410
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:10,940
- I think it made it much more interesting
1411
01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:14,650
and compelling character to
play, to have him have secrets,
1412
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:18,520
to have him have friction with Frank.
1413
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,610
And so, by having him have
the sort of secret life,
1414
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:24,090
it gave a lot of color to the character,
1415
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:25,473
which I thought was pretty cool.
1416
01:08:25,473 --> 01:08:27,460
- I really liked Terry.
1417
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:31,350
But when he became the enemy,
suddenly I started seeing,
1418
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:33,610
and they would light him different.
1419
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:36,617
So now we're standing in the
shadows and I'm looking at him,
1420
01:08:36,617 --> 01:08:41,617
and is supported my feeling
of, have you been lying to me
1421
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:46,670
the whole time we've been
dealing with each other?
1422
01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:48,980
And I felt it very strongly, you know.
1423
01:08:48,980 --> 01:08:51,940
- Frank undergoes a very
important development, I feel,
1424
01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:54,320
at the back half of season three,
1425
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,540
starting with Borrowed Time.
1426
01:08:55,540 --> 01:08:58,370
And we see very emotional
scenes in that episode.
1427
01:08:58,370 --> 01:09:02,610
Frank breaking down over
the idea of losing Jordan,
1428
01:09:02,610 --> 01:09:04,880
his daughter, who has
become mysteriously sick,
1429
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,460
and he feels he cannot go on.
1430
01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:08,894
- You're talking about
the only great thing
1431
01:09:08,894 --> 01:09:10,490
that ever happened to my life.
1432
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:11,870
Do you understand that?
1433
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:16,290
- It came out of a father's
deep concern for his daughter.
1434
01:09:16,290 --> 01:09:19,120
My daughter had been
through a fever episode.
1435
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,231
It was just the most frightening thing.
1436
01:09:21,231 --> 01:09:22,890
And they're just burning up
and they're in such pain,
1437
01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:24,820
and there's nothing you can do about it.
1438
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:27,570
And, in a way, it started with that.
1439
01:09:29,402 --> 01:09:30,235
- When did this start?
1440
01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:31,366
- She was fine in school an hour ago.
1441
01:09:31,366 --> 01:09:32,610
(Jordan groaning)
1442
01:09:32,610 --> 01:09:37,610
- Lance actually really, really
committed in that episode.
1443
01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:41,720
First of all, his pain that
his daughter was dying,
1444
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,180
I think for him was, as I remember it,
1445
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,930
was sort of done privately, and like,
1446
01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:47,960
a lot of people were cleared off the set
1447
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,960
'cause it was so raw for him.
1448
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,800
And he also suggested a lot
of things for the script.
1449
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:58,620
So, for example, when
she's put in the ice bath,
1450
01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:01,370
the way it scripted it was
that a doctor did it or nurse,
1451
01:10:01,370 --> 01:10:03,520
he said, "No, no, no,
I will do it myself."
1452
01:10:06,549 --> 01:10:07,959
- I know, I know.
- No!
1453
01:10:07,959 --> 01:10:09,343
- I'm here.
- Daddy, Daddy.
1454
01:10:09,343 --> 01:10:10,343
Daddy, help!
1455
01:10:11,184 --> 01:10:12,097
Daddy, help!
1456
01:10:12,097 --> 01:10:12,930
- "Because if she's gonna go through that,
1457
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:13,763
"I'm gonna be with her."
1458
01:10:13,763 --> 01:10:16,010
So there were a lot of
things he brought to it
1459
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:18,680
that had to do with bonding with Jordan.
1460
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,450
- Well, I think that he
was connected emotionally
1461
01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:24,760
to not only his movie
daughter, to the actress,
1462
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,760
and to watch a child struggle
with being on the edge
1463
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:35,180
of life and death, and for
him to put himself as a father
1464
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:38,720
through those emotions, I
think it was wrenching for him.
1465
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,100
- Why is this happened to him?
1466
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:41,990
Why is he facing these trials?
1467
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:44,620
Why after losing his wife,
1468
01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:47,480
is he now in the position
to lose his daughter?
1469
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:51,150
And I think this is sort of
a necessary break, you know,
1470
01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:53,520
they put the brakes on Frank here.
1471
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,600
It stops him from being angry,
1472
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,090
and it stops him, and he says,
1473
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:59,990
okay, I have to take stock
of where I am in my life now.
1474
01:10:59,990 --> 01:11:02,160
And what's important isn't this agenda,
1475
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,210
isn't me taking down the Millennium Group.
1476
01:11:04,210 --> 01:11:06,110
What's important to me is my daughter.
1477
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:08,810
- While I feel that Frank
Black maintained his integrity
1478
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:13,810
as a character, I think that
over time, he did change.
1479
01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:19,050
- I think he was battered,
for sure, and had lost a lot,
1480
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:23,670
and had not been able to protect
1481
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:29,071
everything he helped to protect
1482
01:11:29,071 --> 01:11:30,603
at the beginning of the series.
1483
01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:34,720
But I think he was still hopeful.
1484
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,424
- Do you know there was
an element of sadness
1485
01:11:36,424 --> 01:11:38,470
that the show was gonna go out
1486
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:41,076
and I wasn't gonna be on
the right side, you know.
1487
01:11:41,076 --> 01:11:43,726
I wanted to be running down
the hall with Frank Black
1488
01:11:45,104 --> 01:11:47,520
or I wanted to be, at least
have the car waiting outside,
1489
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,340
and then they would get in
jump in the back of the car,
1490
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:50,550
we zoom off together.
1491
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:54,000
I wanted to somehow be a
part of, be on the right side
1492
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,580
at that ending moment, and I felt like
1493
01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:59,180
the compromises that
she made for her father
1494
01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:00,930
put her on the wrong side,
but that's what I love.
1495
01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:02,910
What was I supposed to do?
1496
01:12:02,910 --> 01:12:04,530
He's my father.
1497
01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:05,470
- Do what you have to do.
1498
01:12:05,470 --> 01:12:07,980
- That's why Lance and I
we had this all this thing.
1499
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:09,940
Where are we gonna go from this?
1500
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:11,700
I mean, I'm thinking they
weren't going to cancel us
1501
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:14,560
in 1999 for sure. (chuckling)
1502
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,700
They wouldn't do that,
that would be ridiculous.
1503
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:17,810
The show's called Millennium.
1504
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:19,293
Why would they cancel us right now?
1505
01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:20,350
This makes no sense.
1506
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:21,980
They'll at least give us six episodes
1507
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:23,693
so we can finish the story.
1508
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:28,536
But we had this idea that,
oh well, we will come back
1509
01:12:28,536 --> 01:12:30,930
and it'll be like time has passed
1510
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:34,007
and Emma Hollis is deep,
deep in the Millennium Group,
1511
01:12:34,007 --> 01:12:37,340
and you think she's totally
evil, and now we hate her.
1512
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:40,700
She's bad, so we're gonna
let the audiences hate me.
1513
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:43,310
And then, you see her and Frank meeting,
1514
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:44,770
and you think he's the bad,
1515
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:46,650
but then you find out
she's just deep cover,
1516
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:48,787
like she's just gone so deep
into the Millennium Group
1517
01:12:48,787 --> 01:12:51,500
and it's all to undo the working,
1518
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:53,270
and she's actually
secretly meeting, you know,
1519
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:55,680
so we had all these ideas together,
1520
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,950
how we could swing back
around and be a team again.
1521
01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:00,800
- I came here to put a bullet in you.
1522
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:06,880
But I don't have to, the
Group will do it for me.
1523
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,550
- And it's become
fashionable now on a TV show
1524
01:13:09,550 --> 01:13:12,790
to sort of kill off the most important
1525
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:14,520
and most beloved characters.
1526
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,787
I don't think that's why we did it.
1527
01:13:15,787 --> 01:13:20,787
But it certainly is powerful
to lose somebody emotionally
1528
01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:26,090
on the show for the writers,
not only for the writers,
1529
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:28,780
because they had made a
connection to this person,
1530
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:31,890
but for the lead character Frank Black
1531
01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:33,453
and what that meant to him.
1532
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:36,490
- [Frank] Catherine.
1533
01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:43,460
- They're very romantic characters.
1534
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:46,070
They're heroes, they truly are.
1535
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:51,070
And I think Frank remained
a hero to the end.
1536
01:13:51,118 --> 01:13:53,618
(eerie music)
1537
01:13:56,763 --> 01:14:01,110
- I was really hoping there
was gonna be a season four
1538
01:14:01,110 --> 01:14:03,370
just because it would have
taken us to the millennium,
1539
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:05,110
and it seemed like such a no-brainer.
1540
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:06,550
- Well, we were all kind
of making bets on it.
1541
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:10,560
How can you cancel a show in
1999 that's called Millennium?
1542
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,090
- The crew was dedicated,
totally dedicated.
1543
01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:14,830
They loved the show.
1544
01:14:14,830 --> 01:14:19,510
We had really solid fans
that loved the show.
1545
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:23,272
And then, when they didn't pick it up,
1546
01:14:23,272 --> 01:14:25,520
well, there were a lot of disappointment.
1547
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,453
- Because you've been
promising the audience this.
1548
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:31,860
Really, what was happening
kinda behind all the layers
1549
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:35,340
of the story, where you
were promising the audience
1550
01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:38,200
that this thing was gonna kinda burst
1551
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,330
when the millennium happened.
1552
01:14:40,330 --> 01:14:43,383
And it just never got a chance to burst.
1553
01:14:43,383 --> 01:14:45,620
- So, it's such a
terrible trivia question.
1554
01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:48,730
When was a TV show called
Millennium canceled?
1555
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:50,860
Right before the millennium.
1556
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:52,710
- You know, it's funny,
1557
01:14:52,710 --> 01:14:55,460
I think the show would have
gone into a fourth season.
1558
01:14:55,460 --> 01:15:00,340
The ratings were such that
it supported a fourth season.
1559
01:15:00,340 --> 01:15:04,800
I think, really, I'm to blame
1560
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,320
for the fact that it didn't go longer
1561
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:12,320
because I had another show that
was coming out on its heels,
1562
01:15:12,610 --> 01:15:16,610
Harsh Realm, and one thing
supplanted the other.
1563
01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:18,890
- FOX was always chasing
the ratings The X-Files got
1564
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:20,410
on Friday nights.
1565
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:24,800
And every show that came in to
that time slot after X-Files
1566
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,053
got lower ratings.
1567
01:15:26,970 --> 01:15:30,200
And what they didn't
realize, I think, was that
1568
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,560
it was the beginning of the
decline of network television,
1569
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,780
and they were never gonna
see those ratings again.
1570
01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:39,010
And so, unfortunately, for Ten Thirteen,
1571
01:15:39,010 --> 01:15:41,657
every show that we put in that time slot
1572
01:15:41,657 --> 01:15:46,657
never reached the aspirations
they had for ratings-wise.
1573
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,273
- X-Files visits Millennium came up,
1574
01:15:52,570 --> 01:15:56,797
which was an interesting
idea, but, you know,
1575
01:15:59,988 --> 01:16:01,840
you had to bring everybody into it,
1576
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,118
and people, some were interested,
some weren't interested,
1577
01:16:06,118 --> 01:16:09,973
and it got made.
1578
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,310
- First of all, it's all
X-Files writers writing it,
1579
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:15,380
so there's always gonna be places,
1580
01:16:15,380 --> 01:16:18,710
are we gonna lean toward
the show that's a huge hit
1581
01:16:18,710 --> 01:16:20,740
and makes billions of dollars for FOX
1582
01:16:20,740 --> 01:16:22,143
or are we gonna lean
towards the one that we love
1583
01:16:22,143 --> 01:16:23,530
that was canceled?
1584
01:16:23,530 --> 01:16:26,960
And all the forces, all the vectors,
1585
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,300
sort of leaning toward
1586
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:30,810
we're gonna give short
shrift to Millennium.
1587
01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:34,130
- And this may seem like so
obvious from the outside.
1588
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:35,400
But it was only when we
actually tried to do it,
1589
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,910
we realized, yeah, but
this is The X-Files.
1590
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:39,080
This is actually The X-Files,
1591
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,270
which is a completely different series
1592
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:42,770
and has completely different requirements
1593
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:45,540
than the Millennium series had.
1594
01:16:45,540 --> 01:16:48,700
And so, ultimately, after
many, many permutations of it,
1595
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:52,240
we realized this has to
be a scary monster show
1596
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,510
to some degree, which is not
really what Millennium was.
1597
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:59,750
And so, it ended up
becoming an X-Files episode
1598
01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:01,770
with Frank Black as a guest character,
1599
01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:05,043
and I didn't love it, you know.
1600
01:17:07,247 --> 01:17:11,630
I was a bit disappointed in the
result, but we did our best.
1601
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:12,880
- You armed?
1602
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:13,900
- Oh, yeah.
1603
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:15,967
- Shoot for the head,
that seems to stop them.
1604
01:17:15,967 --> 01:17:20,967
(dramatic music)
(eerie music)
1605
01:17:23,285 --> 01:17:24,790
- I think when a show
outstays its welcome,
1606
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:28,020
even if it's a great show, some
of the luster comes off it,
1607
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:30,090
and that didn't happen with Millennium.
1608
01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:32,010
There's nothing about it that feels dated
1609
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,610
except the fact that it's
longer, the episodes are longer,
1610
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,146
and there are fewer commercial breaks.
1611
01:17:38,146 --> 01:17:40,930
- You know, I think
people still care about it
1612
01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:43,810
after all these years
because Chris was right
1613
01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:46,060
in inviting the writers
1614
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:50,180
to basically liberate the unconscious
1615
01:17:50,180 --> 01:17:55,180
and to put our greatest fears,
our cowardices, and shame
1616
01:17:57,283 --> 01:18:00,020
onto the screen.
1617
01:18:00,020 --> 01:18:02,150
- From the beginning, he said to me,
1618
01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:04,177
when I came on The X-Files, you know,
1619
01:18:04,177 --> 01:18:05,357
"I don't wanna do television
1620
01:18:05,357 --> 01:18:07,607
"that is consumed and thrown away.
1621
01:18:07,607 --> 01:18:09,767
"I wanna do television that
lasts, that people go back
1622
01:18:09,767 --> 01:18:12,040
"and look at years after it's done."
1623
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,200
- I think you could
practically make that show now,
1624
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,270
and a bunch of people
have tried to make it.
1625
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:17,180
It was very influential.
1626
01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:18,683
A lot of shows have copied it
1627
01:18:18,683 --> 01:18:22,090
and copied the general tone and feel.
1628
01:18:22,090 --> 01:18:23,910
- I knew a producer on Profiler
1629
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:25,767
who referred to his show
as Millennium light.
1630
01:18:25,767 --> 01:18:28,680
- I'd put it with The X-Files.
1631
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,550
I put it with 24, Twin Peaks.
1632
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:34,940
The shows they're making now
are drawing from those shows
1633
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:36,530
to do what they do now.
1634
01:18:36,530 --> 01:18:38,300
They just took it to the next level.
1635
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:40,810
- I think people are kinda
catching up to it in a way
1636
01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:43,190
'cause it is so dark, darker than anything
1637
01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:45,110
that was on television at the time.
1638
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:48,390
- There used to be the TV style
and the feature film style.
1639
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,020
And TV style, when you slammed
the door, the sets wobbled.
1640
01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:54,310
And it was brightly lit and
everything had a happy ending.
1641
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:58,480
And cinematic style was
much more like Millennium.
1642
01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,810
Millennium was on the vanguard
1643
01:18:59,810 --> 01:19:03,790
of let's make these little movies.
1644
01:19:03,790 --> 01:19:07,077
- It just looked great,
played well all the time.
1645
01:19:07,077 --> 01:19:08,500
I love the characters.
1646
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:10,760
I really love the characters.
1647
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,060
- Frank Black, who's this
very complex character
1648
01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:16,040
and who was such a good person,
1649
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,640
and has all these
terrible things happening
1650
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,380
but is always striving
to make things better
1651
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:21,740
and to make things come out right.
1652
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:25,500
And I think that a character like that
1653
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:26,677
is always gonna really
speak to a lot people,
1654
01:19:26,677 --> 01:19:28,790
and of course Lance was just so good.
1655
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:33,230
- He brought this weird intensity
that certain actors have
1656
01:19:33,230 --> 01:19:36,260
who can carry a series, and
Lance is just one of those guys.
1657
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:38,590
When the storytelling
supported him properly,
1658
01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:41,020
you just couldn't look
away, he's fantastic.
1659
01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:43,640
- Frank was just someone
you wanted to root for.
1660
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,500
He's kinda that Gary
Cooper silent hero type,
1661
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:49,740
so I think that everyone
is gonna root for that.
1662
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:52,370
And Lance is just great, he just is.
1663
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:54,850
I think, you know, you have
instant empathy for him
1664
01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:55,760
on the screen.
1665
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,400
- What I loved about that show was
1666
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,900
the examinations of the nature of evil.
1667
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,330
Because bombs are still going off,
1668
01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:06,450
because we do terrible
things to each other
1669
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:09,140
and we don't know why,
and we don't know if it's,
1670
01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,850
we don't know what happens.
1671
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:15,850
Is there something in
the nature of humanity
1672
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:18,630
that wants to self-destruct?
1673
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:20,810
Is it innate in us?
1674
01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:21,643
Can we battle it?
1675
01:20:21,643 --> 01:20:22,570
Is it outside of us?
1676
01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:24,763
Is it in us, is it a psychological evil?
1677
01:20:25,671 --> 01:20:27,680
Is there a devil?
1678
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,570
- You know, you want the show
to be considered a success
1679
01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:34,130
in its longevity, but
you also want the show
1680
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:36,740
to be considered a
success in its artistry,
1681
01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:41,090
and that's where I'm
really proud of the show
1682
01:20:41,090 --> 01:20:44,650
is that I think some great work was done
1683
01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:46,850
by some really talented people.
1684
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:49,510
And I think when people
go look at the show,
1685
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:51,480
I think it stands up as a whole,
1686
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:55,690
and I think that its legacy
is that it wasn't just
1687
01:20:55,690 --> 01:21:00,180
a flash in the pan, it
wasn't just a second effort
1688
01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:04,770
that it had integrity.
1689
01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:08,483
It makes me feel good that, you know,
1690
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:11,760
people connected to it.
1691
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,360
- I've never had that many
friends, 'cause in real life,
1692
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,040
if you have five friends that
you call your best friends,
1693
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,573
you're a very rich man.
1694
01:21:21,650 --> 01:21:23,840
But to have hundreds
of thousands of people
1695
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,240
from all over the world
expressing that they love the show
1696
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,533
and they like Frank Black, you know,
1697
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,750
I'm grateful and humbled by it.
1698
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:35,630
I'm not just saying
that, I really mean it.
1699
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:39,160
- Looking back now, I think
that there was still good work
1700
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,330
to be done on Millennium, maybe
still good work to be done
1701
01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:42,730
in the future on Millennium.
1702
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:46,630
Certain people would
love to see it come back.
1703
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:48,255
I think there are ways to bring it back.
1704
01:21:48,255 --> 01:21:50,755
(eerie music)
1705
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:55,700
- I as the director would
have liked to have seen
1706
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:59,223
some of the stories go further,
particularly with Frank,
1707
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,050
and even Watts when all that happened.
1708
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:05,623
I mean, he was also one
of my favorite characters.
1709
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,750
- What I would do.
(Erin laughing)
1710
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:10,690
- Wow, Kay has thoughts for them.
1711
01:22:10,690 --> 01:22:11,523
- Yeah, I do.
1712
01:22:12,483 --> 01:22:14,183
It would be the Jordan Black Show.
1713
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,330
That's what I would do.
1714
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:22,330
And it would be Jordan being
involved in the new version
1715
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:24,460
of the Millennium Group,
whatever that would be.
1716
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:26,630
- It is a shame that the
show got cut off when it did
1717
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:29,310
'cause it was just getting
into the meat of that character
1718
01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:31,940
and there was so much
room to grow with it.
1719
01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:33,560
And so, I am really curious
1720
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,620
where they would have written her.
1721
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:37,960
I don't know, maybe she'd
follow her father's footsteps
1722
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,660
and go that way with her career.
1723
01:22:39,660 --> 01:22:40,870
She would have become
1724
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:44,239
a really strong female lead growing older.
1725
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:46,989
(dramatic music)
1726
01:22:50,555 --> 01:22:52,641
(voices screeching)
1727
01:22:52,641 --> 01:22:54,057
- It would be interesting
to see how she grew up
1728
01:22:54,057 --> 01:22:56,800
and what happened to her, you
know, how she's handling it.
1729
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,090
- Yeah, it's a really
natural way to do the show.
1730
01:23:00,090 --> 01:23:01,180
- I would be really intrigued
1731
01:23:01,180 --> 01:23:03,560
to see what Frank is
doing now. (chuckling)
1732
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,740
- Is he completely out of it, or?
1733
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:06,631
- I don't think so.
- Yeah.
1734
01:23:06,631 --> 01:23:08,550
- I think Frank would still be out there
1735
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:09,750
trying to make things better,
1736
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:12,230
and, yeah, I would be really curious
1737
01:23:12,230 --> 01:23:13,870
as to where Frank is today.
1738
01:23:13,870 --> 01:23:17,070
- I'm sure in some
fictional alternate world,
1739
01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:19,450
Frank is still having a
relationship with Lucy Butler.
1740
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:20,283
- Frank.
1741
01:23:21,774 --> 01:23:22,607
- What?
1742
01:23:23,860 --> 01:23:25,890
- I just want us to be together.
1743
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:28,220
- She's connected to him
and she understands him
1744
01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:30,580
probably better than anybody else,
1745
01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:32,930
which is kind of horrifying and scary.
1746
01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:35,870
- I'm a lot stronger as a
person than I was actually
1747
01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:37,740
doing the show 20 years ago.
1748
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:39,930
I think it would be a lot more fun to be
1749
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,453
not so nice this time round.
1750
01:23:47,433 --> 01:23:49,633
And I think I'd play a
little more hardball.
1751
01:23:50,590 --> 01:23:53,670
- There were so many layers to that show
1752
01:23:53,670 --> 01:23:57,940
that if you were into fan fiction,
1753
01:23:57,940 --> 01:24:02,450
you could just write 1,000
books on each episode,
1754
01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:06,160
there were that many
quantum layers of plot.
1755
01:24:08,170 --> 01:24:12,570
- I would like to see him
pouring through Ed's notebooks
1756
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:14,660
from Skull and Bones,
1757
01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:17,480
putting together this alternative history
1758
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:20,170
of what the last 15 years
were really all about.
1759
01:24:20,170 --> 01:24:23,410
And putting it together
and trying to couple that
1760
01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:25,810
with his own knowledge, and figuring out
1761
01:24:25,810 --> 01:24:28,690
did the Millennium Group really go away?
1762
01:24:28,690 --> 01:24:30,010
- I would try and get in something
1763
01:24:30,010 --> 01:24:34,690
that's a very public
failure of law enforcement
1764
01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:39,600
in which avatar would use
it to make fools of them,
1765
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,670
would use encryption,
would use social media,
1766
01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:44,070
would use all the tools that
we have in our current age.
1767
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:48,800
- I wanna introduce this
idea of information sickness.
1768
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,290
Right now, the information
we deliver to ourselves
1769
01:24:52,290 --> 01:24:55,000
as a society is not good.
1770
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,510
It's full of errors.
1771
01:24:57,510 --> 01:25:00,510
It's full of undecidable arguments.
1772
01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:04,400
It leaves people depressed and confused.
1773
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:05,890
If you look at the news.
1774
01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:07,450
- And I want you all to know
1775
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:09,610
that we are fighting the fake news.
1776
01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:11,740
It's fake, phony, fake.
(crowd cheering)
1777
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:15,180
- You either wind up as
part of a howling mob
1778
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:17,810
or cowering in terror under your desk
1779
01:25:18,930 --> 01:25:23,930
because that's the worthlessness
of the information product
1780
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,760
that's being delivered to
us, and we need to fix it.
1781
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,810
- I'd like to see Frank
Black called in on a story
1782
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:37,810
in, say, Bulgaria, where he
doesn't speak the language,
1783
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:42,710
every sign is in Cyrillic,
and he has to get involved
1784
01:25:42,710 --> 01:25:45,930
in something that
happened and find a person
1785
01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:49,733
in the most foreign
difficult place on Earth.
1786
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:52,860
And how does he do it?
1787
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:57,653
There's a lot to talk about in
this world, there really is.
1788
01:25:58,490 --> 01:26:01,610
And I don't think we would
ever run out of material.
1789
01:26:01,610 --> 01:26:03,323
- I think, you know,
1790
01:26:04,230 --> 01:26:06,590
Frank Black seeing the evil in the world,
1791
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:11,227
but seeing it in himself
as well, that's key.
1792
01:26:11,227 --> 01:26:15,240
That's key to me, that's key
to the world we live in today.
1793
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,350
And I think, right now,
people are frightened
1794
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,040
and looking for someone to blame,
1795
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:28,040
and they're not, too many people
are not their best selves.
1796
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,900
And I think a character like Frank Black
1797
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,320
offers the opportunity to
face the darkness in the world
1798
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:39,740
with hope and goodness.
1799
01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:42,380
- Well, I think with The X-Files
1800
01:26:42,380 --> 01:26:45,020
doing that six-episode event series,
1801
01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:47,069
I think that's an interesting model.
1802
01:26:47,069 --> 01:26:49,819
(dramatic music)
1803
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:54,610
People definitely want dark stuff on TV,
1804
01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:56,510
no question about that.
- Yeah, there's definitely,
1805
01:26:56,510 --> 01:26:58,080
I think there's room for it.
1806
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,700
- We could do it on FX, and
make it really down and dirty
1807
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:04,040
and super violent and everything.
1808
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:09,040
- I dare them to do one
like pilot length thing
1809
01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:12,107
for Millennium, I dare 'em.
1810
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:17,366
It would be like dropping a
rock on David Duchovny's head.
1811
01:27:17,366 --> 01:27:19,616
(laughing)
1812
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,490
He actually said that to me at one point.
1813
01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:27,050
We met, you know, Millennium
had started and everything,
1814
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:29,507
and he said, "You know what
you're like to me, Lance?
1815
01:27:29,507 --> 01:27:31,517
"You're like a baby brother in a crib,
1816
01:27:31,517 --> 01:27:34,930
"and I just wanna drop
a rock on your head."
1817
01:27:34,930 --> 01:27:37,610
And I said, really?
1818
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:40,228
And I thought, looks like
we're gonna be friends.
1819
01:27:40,228 --> 01:27:41,061
(chuckling)
1820
01:27:41,061 --> 01:27:43,740
And then, now I sit here and I go,
1821
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:45,853
if they dared to do a Millennium,
1822
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,022
it would be like dropping a
rock on David Duchovny's head.
1823
01:27:51,022 --> 01:27:52,020
(chuckling)
1824
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:53,838
That's where we should end this.
1825
01:27:53,838 --> 01:27:55,390
(clapping)
1826
01:27:55,390 --> 01:27:57,723
(chuckling)
1827
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:03,418
I dare you to put that in there.
1828
01:28:03,418 --> 01:28:04,810
(laughing)
1829
01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:08,477
(gentle instrumental music)
1830
01:29:22,275 --> 01:29:25,025
(dramatic music)
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