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She didn't speak much English. 9 00:00:45,563 --> 00:00:47,689 She's a Filipina-Italian model, 10 00:00:47,772 --> 00:00:50,063 and she'd just moved to the United States about a month before 11 00:00:50,146 --> 00:00:51,897 to pursue her career. 12 00:00:51,980 --> 00:00:53,814 Gutierrez: And I was on the street 13 00:00:53,897 --> 00:00:56,689 and I, I just start crying. 14 00:00:56,772 --> 00:00:59,480 And in my head, I was like, "Oh my God, 15 00:00:59,563 --> 00:01:02,814 like, why is this happening?" 16 00:01:04,647 --> 00:01:08,063 Farrow: Ambra pulled out her phone and called her agent 17 00:01:08,146 --> 00:01:12,146 and told him she had just been assaulted by Harvey Weinstein. 18 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:14,188 She said he groped her and put his hand up her skirt 19 00:01:14,271 --> 00:01:15,814 during a meeting at his office. 20 00:01:15,897 --> 00:01:20,021 I just felt that I needed to go to the police. 21 00:01:20,105 --> 00:01:23,146 So, I told him to take me there. 22 00:01:24,647 --> 00:01:26,397 Farrow: This is the story of the efforts 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,397 to uncover the truth about how a powerful and predatory man 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,814 for decades evaded justice. 25 00:01:32,897 --> 00:01:35,397 It's the story of how media and law enforcement 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,438 and the world of private espionage protected that man. 27 00:01:38,522 --> 00:01:40,689 Rosanna Arquette: Oh, I knew there was gonna be retaliation. 28 00:01:40,772 --> 00:01:42,480 Rose McGowan: I didn't think there was going to be such collusion. 29 00:01:42,563 --> 00:01:44,897 Farrow: And how, in the end, all of that wasn't enough 30 00:01:44,980 --> 00:01:48,313 in the face of a group of sources who risked everything 31 00:01:48,397 --> 00:01:50,355 to expose the truth. 32 00:01:52,397 --> 00:01:54,522 ♪ ♪ 33 00:02:24,939 --> 00:02:27,480 -Woman (on radio): 521. -Gutierrez: I was shaking. 34 00:02:27,563 --> 00:02:29,522 Harvey Weinstein assaulted me. 35 00:02:29,605 --> 00:02:32,313 So, I went to the... that station. 36 00:02:32,397 --> 00:02:33,939 (man speaking indistinctly on radio) 37 00:02:34,021 --> 00:02:36,021 And, um... 38 00:02:36,105 --> 00:02:38,647 and when I talked to the police guy, 39 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:41,772 I said that this person assaulted me. 40 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:44,939 He answered, "Again?" 41 00:02:45,021 --> 00:02:47,438 And I don't know why, 42 00:02:47,522 --> 00:02:50,230 but that "again" just made me 43 00:02:50,313 --> 00:02:53,980 feel like burning inside, 44 00:02:54,063 --> 00:02:56,730 like this, I don't know... 45 00:02:56,814 --> 00:03:00,313 I nearly would say boiling the blood. 46 00:03:00,397 --> 00:03:03,647 'Cause you suspected this was a guy who was doing this in a serial way. 47 00:03:03,730 --> 00:03:06,480 Happened again. Yeah. 48 00:03:06,563 --> 00:03:08,897 Farrow: And then, while Ambra was sitting 49 00:03:09,021 --> 00:03:11,522 with the NYPD's special victim's division, 50 00:03:11,605 --> 00:03:13,313 giving a detailed report of what had happened, 51 00:03:13,397 --> 00:03:15,063 she got a call on her cell phone. 52 00:03:15,146 --> 00:03:17,188 (phone buzzing) 53 00:03:17,271 --> 00:03:18,438 It was Weinstein. 54 00:03:18,522 --> 00:03:20,522 Gutierrez: "Ambra, I'm very mad at you. 55 00:03:20,605 --> 00:03:21,980 Where are you?" 56 00:03:22,063 --> 00:03:23,313 Farrow: Weinstein didn't know 57 00:03:23,397 --> 00:03:24,980 Ambra was with the police. 58 00:03:25,063 --> 00:03:27,897 He was calling because he was annoyed with her. 59 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:31,271 Apparently, he'd told her he was going to hold tickets for her 60 00:03:31,355 --> 00:03:33,522 at a production of "Finding Neverland," 61 00:03:33,605 --> 00:03:35,855 a Broadway show he was producing. 62 00:03:35,939 --> 00:03:38,021 Ambra, however, didn't show up. 63 00:03:38,105 --> 00:03:40,188 Gutierrez: They're very expensive tickets. 64 00:03:40,271 --> 00:03:42,772 I said, "I'm sorry." 65 00:03:42,855 --> 00:03:45,021 Um, I didn't feel so good. 66 00:03:45,105 --> 00:03:49,230 Um, you know, women's problems, something like that. 67 00:03:49,313 --> 00:03:50,855 Farrow: So, here's Ambra, 68 00:03:50,980 --> 00:03:52,563 sitting in the police station, 69 00:03:52,647 --> 00:03:54,438 in the middle of reporting this guy. 70 00:03:54,522 --> 00:03:55,980 And now she has him on the phone. 71 00:03:56,063 --> 00:03:58,605 Gutierrez: I asked him like... 72 00:03:58,689 --> 00:03:59,647 um... 73 00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:03,855 "So, how, how do my breasts feel?" 74 00:04:03,939 --> 00:04:06,146 And he said, "Oh, you're, you're great. 75 00:04:06,230 --> 00:04:08,689 They're, they feel great. They're, they're amazing." 76 00:04:08,772 --> 00:04:10,230 Like he was admitting, 77 00:04:10,313 --> 00:04:13,105 and so I thought that, that's it. 78 00:04:13,188 --> 00:04:16,063 They heard it. I was saying the truth. 79 00:04:16,146 --> 00:04:17,230 (laughs) 80 00:04:17,313 --> 00:04:18,980 Instead, they asked me, 81 00:04:19,063 --> 00:04:22,897 "Ambra, could you do something for us?" 82 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:26,772 They said, um, "Would you want to meet him tomorrow 83 00:04:26,855 --> 00:04:28,689 and wear a wire?" 84 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:33,355 And I just said, "Yes, sure." 85 00:04:33,438 --> 00:04:35,522 ♪ ♪ 86 00:04:40,522 --> 00:04:43,271 Farrow: The night before the sting, Ambra says she couldn't sleep. 87 00:04:43,355 --> 00:04:45,647 She was just hours away from reengaging with the man 88 00:04:45,730 --> 00:04:48,271 who had assaulted her the day before. 89 00:04:48,355 --> 00:04:50,313 And yet, while she was lying there awake 90 00:04:50,397 --> 00:04:52,522 turning over this decision to help the police, 91 00:04:52,605 --> 00:04:55,355 there was one word that kept coming back to her, 92 00:04:55,438 --> 00:04:57,522 something the police had said the day before. 93 00:04:57,605 --> 00:04:59,605 Gutierrez: "Again?" 94 00:04:59,689 --> 00:05:03,814 I don't know, I kept repeating in my mind that "again." 95 00:05:03,897 --> 00:05:07,146 I don't know, that gave me strength to do everything, I think. 96 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:10,480 I didn't want that to happen anymore to anyone. 97 00:05:11,271 --> 00:05:12,814 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:12,897 --> 00:05:15,063 (alarm beeping) 99 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:17,647 Meteorologist: It is spring. 100 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:19,814 It doesn't necessarily look or feel like it today, 101 00:05:19,897 --> 00:05:20,980 that is for sure. 102 00:05:21,063 --> 00:05:22,313 Farrow: The next afternoon, 103 00:05:22,397 --> 00:05:24,689 the police hid the wire under Ambra's clothes. 104 00:05:29,146 --> 00:05:31,313 She went to see "Finding Neverland." 105 00:05:31,397 --> 00:05:34,522 (cheering and applause) 106 00:05:34,605 --> 00:05:37,230 ♪ ♪ 107 00:05:37,313 --> 00:05:39,021 And then she met Weinstein. 108 00:05:39,105 --> 00:05:41,063 Weinstein: So, I'm glad you went because, 109 00:05:41,146 --> 00:05:43,772 you know, I made this a movie many years ago 110 00:05:43,855 --> 00:05:45,814 with Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet. 111 00:05:45,897 --> 00:05:49,522 -Gutierrez: Yeah, I've seen it. -Weinstein: And now I, I wanted to make it a musical. 112 00:05:49,605 --> 00:05:51,980 -Farrow: And the police... -Gutierrez: Sitting... 113 00:05:52,063 --> 00:05:53,647 -Farrow: Were there undercover? -Gutierrez: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 114 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:56,855 And they told me that if I was feeling uncomfortable, 115 00:05:56,939 --> 00:05:59,355 to just say that you were going to the restroom. 116 00:05:59,438 --> 00:06:02,355 Farrow: Weinstein and Ambra stayed at the bar for a while. 117 00:06:02,438 --> 00:06:03,939 (Weinstein speaking) 118 00:06:11,438 --> 00:06:13,105 I'd teach you, whatever, but... 119 00:06:15,772 --> 00:06:18,063 Gutierrez: He was saying, um, 120 00:06:18,146 --> 00:06:21,480 those names of actresses that he helped, 121 00:06:21,563 --> 00:06:23,021 giving me so many compliments, 122 00:06:23,105 --> 00:06:26,355 saying, "You're much better than this and that." 123 00:06:26,438 --> 00:06:31,897 And keep on repeating that if I would listen to him, 124 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:35,438 I would become even greater (laughs) than them. 125 00:06:35,522 --> 00:06:36,939 Farrow: And what's going through your head 126 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:38,939 as you're listening to him do this? 127 00:06:39,021 --> 00:06:41,730 Gutierrez: I was thinking how, I don't know, 128 00:06:41,814 --> 00:06:45,397 he could even like think that I would 129 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,897 even believe those things. 130 00:06:47,980 --> 00:06:50,438 Farrow: Ambra's pretty savvy about these things. 131 00:06:50,522 --> 00:06:52,397 Some of that is just who she is 132 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,313 and some of it came from experiences 133 00:06:54,397 --> 00:06:58,480 in a different country with a different powerful man, 134 00:06:58,563 --> 00:07:01,021 Silvio Berlusconi, 135 00:07:01,105 --> 00:07:03,105 the now former prime minister of Italy. 136 00:07:03,188 --> 00:07:06,730 Berlusconi had made a lot of his money as a media mogul. 137 00:07:06,814 --> 00:07:08,397 In 2009, "Forbes" listed him 138 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,939 as the 12th most powerful person in the world. 139 00:07:11,021 --> 00:07:13,355 And at the time, he controlled or influenced 140 00:07:13,438 --> 00:07:16,563 six of at least seven major TV networks. 141 00:07:16,647 --> 00:07:18,355 And the government, which he ran, 142 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:22,021 also provided subsidies to most of the newspapers in the country, 143 00:07:22,105 --> 00:07:24,146 which many argue made the press 144 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:26,605 less critical of the prime minister. 145 00:07:26,689 --> 00:07:28,063 (bell tolling) 146 00:07:28,146 --> 00:07:30,313 Gutierrez: I was born in Torino. 147 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:35,188 My mom is Filipina, and my dad Italian. 148 00:07:35,271 --> 00:07:37,522 Farrow: Her family was working class. 149 00:07:37,605 --> 00:07:39,063 She was close with her mom, 150 00:07:39,146 --> 00:07:40,522 but her strongest relationship 151 00:07:40,605 --> 00:07:42,772 was with her little brother, Claudio. 152 00:07:42,855 --> 00:07:44,730 Gutierrez: My brother, of course, was little. 153 00:07:44,814 --> 00:07:45,939 He was three years younger. 154 00:07:46,021 --> 00:07:48,855 So, we were playing a lot of video games. 155 00:07:50,021 --> 00:07:51,313 Farrow: What did you play? 156 00:07:51,397 --> 00:07:54,021 Gutierrez: (laughs) We had Mario Karts... 157 00:07:54,939 --> 00:07:56,063 and PlayStations. 158 00:07:56,146 --> 00:07:58,689 There is this little dragon that I don't remember... 159 00:07:58,772 --> 00:08:01,814 -Spyro the Dragon. Yeah! -Spyro, oh yeah, that's it. 160 00:08:01,897 --> 00:08:05,397 So, I remember, like, trying to go to sleep 161 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,271 and then instead turning on the TV and play all night. 162 00:08:09,355 --> 00:08:10,814 (laughs) 163 00:08:10,897 --> 00:08:12,563 Farrow: Ambra says her father could be violent. 164 00:08:12,647 --> 00:08:15,271 She called him "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde." 165 00:08:15,355 --> 00:08:17,647 She says sometimes he beat her mom, 166 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:20,522 and when Ambra tried to intervene and protect her, 167 00:08:20,605 --> 00:08:22,647 sometimes she'd get hurt, too. 168 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:24,480 Eventually, her father left 169 00:08:24,563 --> 00:08:27,814 and Ambra needed to find a way to support the family. 170 00:08:27,897 --> 00:08:30,480 That's when she decided to try modeling. 171 00:08:30,563 --> 00:08:32,897 (Ambra speaking Italian) 172 00:08:35,146 --> 00:08:38,480 Farrow: She was a finalist for Miss Italy in 2010. 173 00:08:38,563 --> 00:08:41,480 She was on TV and got a lot of attention. 174 00:08:41,563 --> 00:08:42,980 Not all of it wanted. 175 00:08:43,063 --> 00:08:46,355 Gutierrez: I was noticed by bad people 176 00:08:46,438 --> 00:08:50,021 that tried to take advantage of playing on my dreams, 177 00:08:50,105 --> 00:08:53,897 taking me to the house of the prime minister at the time. 178 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:56,522 Farrow: Ambra's agent brought her to what she was told 179 00:08:56,605 --> 00:08:58,271 would be a work function. 180 00:08:58,355 --> 00:09:01,021 Turns out, it was one of these wild bacchanals 181 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:04,355 that Berlusconi threw at his mansion outside of Milan. 182 00:09:04,438 --> 00:09:06,980 The press called them "Bunga Bunga parties." 183 00:09:07,063 --> 00:09:10,522 This is a story about a guy who wants to dance. 184 00:09:10,605 --> 00:09:12,855 ♪ In the land of Bunga Bunga ♪ 185 00:09:12,939 --> 00:09:14,605 ♪ All the chores are fun and games... ♪ 186 00:09:14,689 --> 00:09:15,855 Reporter 1: It's the Italian prime minister, 187 00:09:15,939 --> 00:09:17,689 he's in the news again, insisting that 188 00:09:17,772 --> 00:09:20,146 his infamous Bunga Bunga parties 189 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:21,605 are innocent get-togethers. 190 00:09:21,689 --> 00:09:23,855 Reporter 2: Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi 191 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:25,689 is once again defending his love life. 192 00:09:25,772 --> 00:09:28,480 Reporter 3: Allegations that he paid for sex with a 17-year-old girl 193 00:09:28,563 --> 00:09:30,563 and used his office to cover it up. 194 00:09:30,647 --> 00:09:33,855 (Silvio Berlusconi speaking in Italian) 195 00:09:36,814 --> 00:09:39,021 (audience laughing) 196 00:09:39,105 --> 00:09:41,438 ♪ ♪ 197 00:09:45,772 --> 00:09:47,772 Gutierrez: I was there with my friend 198 00:09:47,855 --> 00:09:50,230 and what I saw was, um... 199 00:09:50,313 --> 00:09:55,397 just like women that work in TV 200 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,230 being there and doing dances, 201 00:09:59,313 --> 00:10:03,689 erotic dances, and like being naked and other stuff. 202 00:10:03,772 --> 00:10:07,563 Farrow: Ambra says she was groped repeatedly by Berlusconi. 203 00:10:07,647 --> 00:10:11,397 The 30 or so women there were asked to perform degrading sex acts 204 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,772 like kissing a statue of an erect penis. 205 00:10:14,855 --> 00:10:18,105 After two hours, Ambra and her friend demanded to leave. 206 00:10:18,188 --> 00:10:21,689 On their way out, one of Berlusconi's associates told them, 207 00:10:21,772 --> 00:10:24,230 "You can forget about your careers." 208 00:10:25,105 --> 00:10:27,397 ♪ ♪ 209 00:10:31,855 --> 00:10:33,939 Farrow: Back at the hotel bar in Tribeca, 210 00:10:34,021 --> 00:10:36,563 Ambra was still wearing the wire. 211 00:10:37,313 --> 00:10:38,980 (Weinstein speaking) 212 00:10:39,063 --> 00:10:40,855 Gutierrez: I have a costume, yeah. 213 00:10:43,063 --> 00:10:44,647 Gutierrez: Oh, okay. (laughs) 214 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:46,814 Farrow: She and the undercover police surrounding her 215 00:10:46,897 --> 00:10:49,480 had been waiting for Weinstein to escalate things. 216 00:10:49,563 --> 00:10:54,063 Then he said, "Okay, um, I need to get ready for this event. 217 00:10:54,146 --> 00:10:56,647 I'm gonna take a shower and just come with me." 218 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:59,397 -(Weinstein speaking) -Gutierrez: Now? 219 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,355 I was like, "Why do I have to come with you, 220 00:11:02,438 --> 00:11:03,730 if you're taking a shower?" 221 00:11:03,814 --> 00:11:05,313 But I was playing dumb. 222 00:11:05,397 --> 00:11:07,397 (Weinstein speaking) 223 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,146 Weinstein: That's all, and if you need anything... 224 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:11,188 Be like, "Okay." 225 00:11:11,271 --> 00:11:15,105 Um, I left my jacket there. 226 00:11:15,188 --> 00:11:16,397 And I followed him. 227 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,480 And this was something the police had told you to do 228 00:11:18,563 --> 00:11:20,397 if you got in a situation where you needed to get out? 229 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,689 No, that's something I thought of. 230 00:11:21,772 --> 00:11:22,939 It's something you came up with? 231 00:11:23,021 --> 00:11:24,939 Yeah, because my mom always told me, 232 00:11:25,021 --> 00:11:27,480 like, "always pay attention." 233 00:11:27,563 --> 00:11:29,855 "Be careful, like, you're a woman." 234 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:35,021 In any situation, I had to have an escape plan, always. 235 00:11:35,105 --> 00:11:36,563 (Weinstein speaking) 236 00:11:36,647 --> 00:11:38,647 Gutierrez: Oh, my jacket. 237 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:40,730 Gutierrez: I, it's downstairs. I forgot. 238 00:11:42,313 --> 00:11:44,522 Gutierrez: I took my jacket and I'm watching the police. 239 00:11:44,605 --> 00:11:46,438 I'm like, "Will someone follow me?" 240 00:11:46,522 --> 00:11:50,063 And then in the hallway, almost close to the room, 241 00:11:50,146 --> 00:11:52,522 I finally hear someone say, 242 00:11:52,605 --> 00:11:54,188 "Hi, Mr. Weinstein. 243 00:11:54,271 --> 00:11:56,522 Uh, this is blah, blah, blah from TMZ." 244 00:11:56,605 --> 00:11:59,313 (Andy speaking) 245 00:11:59,397 --> 00:12:01,522 Weinstein: Nice to see you. 246 00:12:01,605 --> 00:12:03,271 Weinstein: What are you doing? Whatever. 247 00:12:03,355 --> 00:12:06,397 Farrow: And this was a police officer posing as a TMZ reporter? 248 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,313 Gutierrez: Yes, of course. 249 00:12:08,397 --> 00:12:10,605 -Weinstein: Please... -Gutierrez: Uh... 250 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:12,397 Weinstein: I don't give a... who you are. 251 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,021 Farrow: Weinstein tried to get him to leave, 252 00:12:14,105 --> 00:12:15,438 but the cop wouldn't budge. 253 00:12:15,522 --> 00:12:17,563 Weinstein went and complained to the hotel staff, 254 00:12:17,647 --> 00:12:20,230 who pointed him and Ambra to a more private entrance 255 00:12:20,313 --> 00:12:22,438 and eventually to a service elevator. 256 00:12:22,522 --> 00:12:25,230 Weinstein pressed the button for the penthouse. 257 00:12:25,313 --> 00:12:27,188 And Ambra had a problem. 258 00:12:27,271 --> 00:12:28,772 Gutierrez: And I couldn't text the police. 259 00:12:28,855 --> 00:12:30,271 My phone was not working. 260 00:12:30,355 --> 00:12:32,063 I was trying to keep calm 261 00:12:32,146 --> 00:12:35,689 and I knew that I could have just got out of there. 262 00:12:35,772 --> 00:12:39,939 So, there I was starting to, to get very nervous. 263 00:12:40,021 --> 00:12:41,438 ♪ ♪ 264 00:12:41,522 --> 00:12:43,897 Farrow: Ambra was getting farther away from the police. 265 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:45,355 Her phone wasn't working. 266 00:12:45,438 --> 00:12:47,230 And the pacified Weinstein, 267 00:12:47,313 --> 00:12:49,730 the one who'd seemed so interested in helping her career, 268 00:12:49,814 --> 00:12:53,647 had now become more insistent, more overbearing. 269 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:56,939 Gutierrez: And he starts saying, uh, "Get into the room." 270 00:12:57,021 --> 00:12:58,730 Gutierrez (on wire): What do we have to do here? 271 00:12:58,814 --> 00:13:00,772 (Weinstein speaking) 272 00:13:00,855 --> 00:13:02,689 Gutierrez: And he's like, "I'm just gonna take a shower. 273 00:13:02,772 --> 00:13:04,230 You just sit there five minutes." 274 00:13:04,313 --> 00:13:05,689 (Weinstein continues) 275 00:13:05,772 --> 00:13:07,105 Gutierrez: I don't drink. 276 00:13:07,188 --> 00:13:09,814 -Can I stay down in the bar? -Weinstein: No. 277 00:13:09,897 --> 00:13:11,814 -Gutierrez: No. -Weinstein: You look beautiful. Please? 278 00:13:11,897 --> 00:13:13,355 Gutierrez: No, I don't want to. 279 00:13:14,021 --> 00:13:15,271 Gutierrez: I know. 280 00:13:15,355 --> 00:13:17,105 Gutierrez: I'm sorry. I did not mean... 281 00:13:17,188 --> 00:13:19,355 Yesterday was kind of aggressive for me. 282 00:13:19,438 --> 00:13:22,313 -Weinstein: I know. -Gutierrez: I need to know a person to be touched. 283 00:13:22,397 --> 00:13:24,397 -Gutierrez: I don't... -Weinstein: Come with me, please. 284 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,438 I swear, I won't. 285 00:13:25,522 --> 00:13:27,897 (Weinstein continues) 286 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:30,021 Weinstein: Please, I'm not gonna do anything. 287 00:13:30,814 --> 00:13:31,939 Please come in. 288 00:13:32,021 --> 00:13:33,271 What did you think when he said that, 289 00:13:33,355 --> 00:13:35,063 "I swear on my children"? 290 00:13:35,146 --> 00:13:36,271 I don't know. 291 00:13:36,355 --> 00:13:39,313 It made me feel a little disgusted. 292 00:13:39,397 --> 00:13:41,063 -Gutierrez: No, I can't. -Weinstein: I asked you to... 293 00:13:41,146 --> 00:13:42,814 Gutierrez: Please, I don't wanna do something I don't wanna do. 294 00:13:42,897 --> 00:13:44,230 Weinstein: Go to the bath. 295 00:13:44,313 --> 00:13:45,855 Gutierrez: I wanna go downstairs. 296 00:13:45,939 --> 00:13:47,271 Weinstein: I'm not gonna do anything 297 00:13:47,355 --> 00:13:50,230 and you'll never see me again after this. 298 00:13:50,313 --> 00:13:52,980 Gutierrez: I'm feeling very uncomfortable right now. 299 00:13:53,063 --> 00:13:54,397 Weinstein: Five minutes. 300 00:13:56,313 --> 00:13:58,480 Gutierrez: I know, but it's kind of like, 301 00:13:58,563 --> 00:14:00,021 it's too much for me, okay? 302 00:14:00,105 --> 00:14:03,313 Farrow: Ambra, still wearing the wire, asked him a question. 303 00:14:03,397 --> 00:14:05,355 (Gutierrez speaking) 304 00:14:05,438 --> 00:14:07,146 Weinstein: Oh, please, I'm sorry, just come on in. 305 00:14:07,230 --> 00:14:09,480 -(Weinstein continues) -Gutierrez: You're used to that? 306 00:14:09,563 --> 00:14:10,689 Weinstein: Yes, come in. 307 00:14:10,772 --> 00:14:12,522 Gutierrez: No, but I'm not used to that. 308 00:14:12,605 --> 00:14:13,647 (Weinstein continues) 309 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:15,188 Weinstein: Come on, sit here. 310 00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:17,897 Farrow: She'd gotten it. She'd gotten a confession. 311 00:14:19,355 --> 00:14:21,689 Weinstein didn't know Ambra was recording, 312 00:14:21,772 --> 00:14:24,522 but it was obvious she wasn't gonna comply with his requests. 313 00:14:24,605 --> 00:14:27,522 And in that moment, she'd become a liability. 314 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:30,313 He followed her downstairs and returned to the bar. 315 00:14:30,397 --> 00:14:32,689 Weinstein was trying to keep her calm. 316 00:14:32,772 --> 00:14:34,647 He asked if they could have a coffee. 317 00:14:34,730 --> 00:14:36,522 But Ambra's job was done. 318 00:14:36,605 --> 00:14:38,563 She was scared, exhausted. 319 00:14:38,647 --> 00:14:40,855 She walked away from him and into a bathroom 320 00:14:40,939 --> 00:14:42,939 where she met two police officers. 321 00:14:44,897 --> 00:14:46,939 They snuck her out of the building and into a car. 322 00:14:47,021 --> 00:14:49,897 She was rattled but they reassured her. 323 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:52,605 Gutierrez: They were like, "Ambra, you were great. 324 00:14:52,689 --> 00:14:56,522 You got it. You stopped a monster." 325 00:14:56,605 --> 00:14:58,939 Farrow: Shortly after Ambra left the hotel, 326 00:14:59,021 --> 00:15:01,855 detectives went and found Weinstein. 327 00:15:01,939 --> 00:15:05,063 He voluntarily followed them to an NYPD precinct 328 00:15:05,146 --> 00:15:08,188 where he was questioned before eventually requesting a lawyer. 329 00:15:08,271 --> 00:15:10,230 He was let go that night. 330 00:15:10,313 --> 00:15:12,814 ♪ ♪ 331 00:15:12,897 --> 00:15:15,230 The matter was now in the hands of the district attorney, 332 00:15:15,313 --> 00:15:16,855 Cyrus Vance, Jr. 333 00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:18,730 Cyrus Vance, Jr.: The Manhattan district attorney's office 334 00:15:18,814 --> 00:15:21,438 is one of the great civic institutions in this city. 335 00:15:21,522 --> 00:15:24,230 Farrow: Ambra met with the head of the DA's sex crimes unit, 336 00:15:24,313 --> 00:15:26,313 Martha Bashford, for questioning. 337 00:15:26,397 --> 00:15:29,814 Gutierrez: First moment I saw her, I said, "Great. 338 00:15:29,897 --> 00:15:31,271 She's a woman." 339 00:15:31,355 --> 00:15:34,063 And they asked questions like, 340 00:15:34,146 --> 00:15:36,063 "So, what happened in Italy? 341 00:15:36,146 --> 00:15:40,021 Were you a prostitute?" And things like that. 342 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:43,230 And I was like, "Did you hear the recording?" 343 00:15:43,313 --> 00:15:45,146 Farrow: Two law enforcement sources told me 344 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:47,605 Bashford grilled Ambra about Berlusconi 345 00:15:47,689 --> 00:15:49,814 and her personal sexual history. 346 00:15:49,897 --> 00:15:51,438 One even said Bashford was acting 347 00:15:51,522 --> 00:15:53,939 like one of Weinstein's personal defense attorneys. 348 00:15:54,021 --> 00:15:57,814 The DA's office has said that this was all part of a typical interview 349 00:15:57,897 --> 00:16:00,939 meant to prepare a witness for what could happen at trial. 350 00:16:01,021 --> 00:16:03,313 But Ambra and those law enforcement sources 351 00:16:03,397 --> 00:16:04,772 saw it differently. 352 00:16:04,855 --> 00:16:07,814 Gutierrez: I understood what was happening. 353 00:16:07,897 --> 00:16:10,397 But I couldn't believe it, that, you know, 354 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,939 was actually going that way. 355 00:16:14,021 --> 00:16:15,146 So, I... 356 00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:17,647 And what was happening, in your view? 357 00:16:17,730 --> 00:16:21,105 That this person was against me. 358 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:23,897 Farrow: This situation, trying to report criminal activity 359 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:26,313 and getting smeared as a prostitute instead, 360 00:16:26,397 --> 00:16:28,897 Ambra had faced this before, too. 361 00:16:28,980 --> 00:16:31,355 Back in 2010, the Berlusconi parties 362 00:16:31,438 --> 00:16:33,146 became public knowledge in Italy. 363 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:35,188 Reporter: Silvio Berlusconi has appeared in court 364 00:16:35,271 --> 00:16:38,105 to deny having sex with an underage prostitute. 365 00:16:38,188 --> 00:16:40,021 Farrow: Ambra provided a police statement 366 00:16:40,105 --> 00:16:42,855 and eventually agreed to testify against the prime minister 367 00:16:42,939 --> 00:16:45,397 on charges that he'd paid for sex with a minor. 368 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,897 (Italian reporter speaking) 369 00:16:54,021 --> 00:16:56,522 Gutierrez: I had paparazzi coming at school. 370 00:16:56,605 --> 00:16:59,647 I had people not talking to me anymore. 371 00:16:59,730 --> 00:17:06,397 And, uh, my, my life just fell down completely. 372 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,021 ♪ ♪ 373 00:17:08,105 --> 00:17:10,522 Farrow: After meeting with the Manhattan DA's office, 374 00:17:10,605 --> 00:17:11,855 Ambra simply had to wait. 375 00:17:11,939 --> 00:17:13,689 Gutierrez: I got out of that meeting 376 00:17:13,772 --> 00:17:16,647 and I was waiting for something to happen. 377 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:20,689 Was waiting for someone to call me to tell me anything. 378 00:17:20,772 --> 00:17:22,522 Farrow: Weinstein's lawyers, meanwhile, 379 00:17:22,605 --> 00:17:25,522 hired a private intelligence firm called K2, 380 00:17:25,605 --> 00:17:29,355 to keep Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance, Jr. from pressing charges. 381 00:17:29,438 --> 00:17:31,397 Reporter: K2 Global Partners has investigated 382 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,522 countless suspects, 383 00:17:32,605 --> 00:17:34,897 corporations and sovereign nations. 384 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,146 Farrow: The firm dug up clips from the Italian press 385 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:39,063 about the Berlusconi scandal, 386 00:17:39,146 --> 00:17:42,605 clips that made Ambra out to be an illicit sex worker. 387 00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:45,563 And then current and former K2 employees, 388 00:17:45,647 --> 00:17:48,855 all of whom had previously worked at the DA's office, 389 00:17:48,939 --> 00:17:51,438 relayed the information smearing Gutierrez 390 00:17:51,522 --> 00:17:53,480 in calls to prosecutors. 391 00:17:53,563 --> 00:17:55,689 Reporter 1: She's the stunning Italian model 392 00:17:55,772 --> 00:17:59,647 who's accusing famed movie mogul Harvey Weinstein of sexual abuse... 393 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:02,063 Reporter 2: ...has made similar claims before. 394 00:18:02,146 --> 00:18:04,271 Farrow: Just like in Italy, 395 00:18:04,355 --> 00:18:07,939 the claims about her found their way into American tabloids, 396 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:10,730 tabloids Weinstein had close ties to. 397 00:18:10,814 --> 00:18:12,814 Reporter 3: She was a witness in the notorious 398 00:18:12,897 --> 00:18:14,146 Bunga Bunga sex scandal. 399 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:16,397 Gutierrez: They were trying to smear me. 400 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,397 So, I don't know. 401 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,397 I kept waiting for the DA to call me. 402 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,438 And instead, I saw it coming out in the news 403 00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:30,605 that Harvey Weinstein was not going to be charged criminally. 404 00:18:30,689 --> 00:18:32,522 News anchor: The New York District Attorney chose 405 00:18:32,605 --> 00:18:34,522 not to press charges against Weinstein, 406 00:18:34,605 --> 00:18:35,855 citing not enough evidence. 407 00:18:35,939 --> 00:18:37,939 If we had a case that we felt 408 00:18:38,021 --> 00:18:40,897 we could prosecute against Harvey Weinstein, we would. 409 00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:43,355 What went through your mind when you saw that? 410 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:46,647 (sighs) Game over. (laughs) 411 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:48,980 Farrow: And your reputation 412 00:18:49,063 --> 00:18:50,105 -was... spiraling. 413 00:18:50,188 --> 00:18:52,105 Getting shredded completely. Yeah. 414 00:18:52,188 --> 00:18:54,689 Like I was losing everything, 415 00:18:54,772 --> 00:18:59,313 and then I got an email from my lawyer 416 00:18:59,397 --> 00:19:05,939 where, um, Harvey wanted to stipulate a contract 417 00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:10,021 to help me out in the situation, let's say. 418 00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:16,480 It was to put this all behind in an exchange of money. 419 00:19:16,563 --> 00:19:20,480 I told him, "No, I, I don't want anything from you." 420 00:19:20,563 --> 00:19:21,647 Like I don't want money. 421 00:19:21,730 --> 00:19:25,438 And he started with, I think, $300,000. 422 00:19:25,522 --> 00:19:30,522 And then he went up to $500,000. 423 00:19:30,605 --> 00:19:34,105 And the last time that he tried to offer me 424 00:19:34,188 --> 00:19:35,313 the million dollar. 425 00:19:35,397 --> 00:19:39,522 I remember that day 'cause it was the most... 426 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,480 scary that I could remember. 427 00:19:43,563 --> 00:19:45,730 'Cause my brother called me. 428 00:19:46,647 --> 00:19:50,063 And, um, started saying that 429 00:19:50,146 --> 00:19:56,980 someone went to where he worked, asking about me. 430 00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:58,647 Farrow: Ambra's brother, Claudio, 431 00:19:58,730 --> 00:20:01,563 the one she'd grown up playing video games with all night. 432 00:20:01,647 --> 00:20:03,397 He was living in Italy at the time. 433 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,230 And the press had found him, too. 434 00:20:06,313 --> 00:20:08,438 It freaked her out. 435 00:20:08,522 --> 00:20:12,105 Gutierrez: I couldn't put anyone of my family at risk. 436 00:20:13,105 --> 00:20:14,980 And that's it. 437 00:20:15,063 --> 00:20:19,355 I decided to, to accept. 438 00:20:19,438 --> 00:20:20,522 ♪ ♪ 439 00:20:20,605 --> 00:20:22,063 Farrow: On April 20th, 2015, 440 00:20:22,146 --> 00:20:24,355 a few weeks after the alleged assault, 441 00:20:24,438 --> 00:20:27,021 Ambra sat in an office in midtown Manhattan 442 00:20:27,105 --> 00:20:31,105 with an 18-page non-disclosure agreement in front of her. 443 00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:34,105 One of Weinstein's attorneys sat opposite her. 444 00:20:34,188 --> 00:20:37,939 Gutierrez: He looked super nervous, 445 00:20:38,021 --> 00:20:40,814 even looking a little like embarrassed. 446 00:20:40,897 --> 00:20:41,897 Mm-hmm. 447 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:45,063 Like, "I'm here, but I'm sorry that I'm here." 448 00:20:45,146 --> 00:20:46,063 You know? 449 00:20:46,146 --> 00:20:47,689 Farrow: As part of the agreement, 450 00:20:47,772 --> 00:20:50,480 she was required to hand over all of her technology 451 00:20:50,563 --> 00:20:53,605 to another investigative agency, Kroll. 452 00:20:55,397 --> 00:20:58,647 She had to give them passwords to all of her email accounts 453 00:20:58,730 --> 00:21:02,021 and they combed through the accounts to clear them of any evidence 454 00:21:02,105 --> 00:21:03,730 of the Weinstein incident. 455 00:21:03,814 --> 00:21:07,230 Then they gave all the devices back empty. 456 00:21:07,313 --> 00:21:09,563 Because there were no charges, 457 00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:10,980 none of the evidence the police collected 458 00:21:11,063 --> 00:21:12,897 was a matter of public record. 459 00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,313 No one outside law enforcement knew there had been a tape. 460 00:21:18,313 --> 00:21:21,438 It was as if nothing had ever happened. 461 00:21:21,522 --> 00:21:24,897 Ambra slipped into a long period of depression. 462 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:26,438 She couldn't get any work. 463 00:21:26,522 --> 00:21:29,021 She developed an eating disorder. 464 00:21:29,105 --> 00:21:30,897 Gutierrez: I didn't leave my bed. 465 00:21:32,063 --> 00:21:35,855 I remember like my mom had to... 466 00:21:35,939 --> 00:21:38,063 to bathe me, to... 467 00:21:38,146 --> 00:21:43,271 to take care of me 'cause I was just there in bed sleeping, 468 00:21:43,355 --> 00:21:46,438 trying to think it was a dream. 469 00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:50,480 Farrow: She lived in the Philippines and Italy for the next two years... 470 00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:53,689 trying to put it all behind her. 471 00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:57,146 ♪ ♪ 472 00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:58,814 At that moment, I was in the thick 473 00:21:58,897 --> 00:22:02,021 of my Weinstein reporting at NBC. 474 00:22:02,105 --> 00:22:05,146 I'd read the initial tabloid coverage of Ambra's story. 475 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:07,814 I'd heard there was a sting. 476 00:22:07,897 --> 00:22:10,021 I called Ambra's lawyer, who sounded worried 477 00:22:10,105 --> 00:22:12,730 and said he wasn't at liberty to talk. 478 00:22:12,814 --> 00:22:15,897 But then, to my surprise, I got a text from her. 479 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:19,814 Gutierrez: "Uh, this is Ambra. I would like to meet you." (laughs) 480 00:22:19,897 --> 00:22:22,563 Farrow: We met for the first time at a Manhattan restaurant. 481 00:22:22,647 --> 00:22:25,772 She was sitting in the back. She seemed anxious. 482 00:22:25,855 --> 00:22:27,939 You were putting a lot on the line. 483 00:22:28,021 --> 00:22:30,271 What made you decide to talk to me anyway? 484 00:22:30,355 --> 00:22:33,647 I was really thinking like, this is it. 485 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:38,939 Like after two years, I could be taking my life back. 486 00:22:39,021 --> 00:22:41,105 Farrow: I remember Ambra taking a deep breath 487 00:22:41,188 --> 00:22:45,105 and then showing me the million-dollar settlement. 488 00:22:45,188 --> 00:22:47,355 Turns out, Ambra was sitting on something 489 00:22:47,438 --> 00:22:48,939 even bigger than the contract. 490 00:22:49,021 --> 00:22:50,855 She didn't have a recording from the wire, 491 00:22:50,939 --> 00:22:52,980 but it turns out that throughout the sting, 492 00:22:53,063 --> 00:22:54,855 while she was wearing the wire, 493 00:22:54,939 --> 00:22:59,271 Ambra was also recording a backup on her cell phone. 494 00:23:01,105 --> 00:23:06,146 The first thing that I did after the, uh, police operation, 495 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:10,355 I sent my recordings to five different emails that I had. 496 00:23:10,438 --> 00:23:13,855 Farrow: Remember that Kroll, the cybersecurity firm Weinstein hired 497 00:23:13,939 --> 00:23:15,355 to enforce Ambra's NDA, 498 00:23:15,438 --> 00:23:17,230 had asked for all of her passwords 499 00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,897 and scoured all of her devices and email accounts 500 00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:23,063 to make sure any copies of the recording were destroyed. 501 00:23:23,146 --> 00:23:26,063 And Ambra had said she'd complied. 502 00:23:26,146 --> 00:23:30,230 But there was one password she didn't give up right away. 503 00:23:30,313 --> 00:23:34,188 And I said, "Sorry, I don't remember the last one. 504 00:23:34,271 --> 00:23:35,814 "I'm, I'm gonna figure it out. 505 00:23:35,897 --> 00:23:37,605 It's, it's an Italian account." 506 00:23:37,689 --> 00:23:40,063 ♪ ♪ 507 00:23:40,146 --> 00:23:44,689 I opened up my, my email and I saw the recordings. 508 00:23:44,772 --> 00:23:48,563 I made copies of it to the desktop of the computer. 509 00:23:48,647 --> 00:23:52,563 And then I called my lawyer and I said, 510 00:23:52,647 --> 00:23:56,146 "Oh, I remember the password. It's this one." 511 00:23:56,230 --> 00:24:00,146 Farrow: So just like that, Ambra had saved a copy of the recordings 512 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,355 and no one figured it out. 513 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:07,397 For weeks, I pressed Ambra to give me the audio. 514 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,772 Gutierrez: I would have wanted to give you those recordings 515 00:24:09,855 --> 00:24:13,730 and, of course, I didn't wanna make trace of where it was coming from. 516 00:24:13,814 --> 00:24:16,313 And then I said, "Well, what if we just..." 517 00:24:16,397 --> 00:24:18,772 -Record the recording. -Record the recording. 518 00:24:18,855 --> 00:24:20,689 And it allowed me to say, 519 00:24:20,772 --> 00:24:22,939 "She never transferred any files to me." 520 00:24:23,021 --> 00:24:24,897 -Gutierrez: Of course. It was the truth. -Yeah. 521 00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:26,980 Then I said, "Great, let's, let's get the computer out," 522 00:24:27,063 --> 00:24:30,105 and I remember you saying, "Oh, there's a problem." 523 00:24:30,188 --> 00:24:31,480 The speaker don't work. 524 00:24:31,563 --> 00:24:33,063 The speakers don't work. 525 00:24:33,146 --> 00:24:37,772 So, you ran out of the restaurant to get a speaker. 526 00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:39,897 ♪ ♪ 527 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:41,271 Farrow: What was going through your mind 528 00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:44,230 as I sprinted across town to get speakers? 529 00:24:44,313 --> 00:24:47,271 I was really waiting for it to come out. 530 00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:51,105 Like I was really ready. 531 00:24:51,188 --> 00:24:54,563 (Weinstein speaking) 532 00:24:54,647 --> 00:24:56,188 Farrow: Later, in fact-checking calls 533 00:24:56,271 --> 00:24:57,647 with Weinstein and his lawyers, 534 00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:00,313 when we told them we had a copy of the recording, 535 00:25:00,397 --> 00:25:02,230 Weinstein was shocked. 536 00:25:02,313 --> 00:25:04,063 "The recording that was destroyed 537 00:25:04,146 --> 00:25:06,980 by the district attorney?" he kept saying. 538 00:25:07,063 --> 00:25:09,897 District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr.'s office denies this 539 00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:12,438 and says they would never agree to destroy evidence. 540 00:25:12,522 --> 00:25:13,939 Weinstein: Oh, please, I'm sorry. Just come on. 541 00:25:14,021 --> 00:25:15,855 (Weinstein continues) 542 00:25:15,939 --> 00:25:17,689 Farrow: That October, I published the first 543 00:25:17,772 --> 00:25:20,188 in a series of articles exposing Weinstein 544 00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:22,063 and telling Ambra's story. 545 00:25:22,146 --> 00:25:25,814 What was it like to finally see the story 546 00:25:25,897 --> 00:25:28,146 and the recording go public? 547 00:25:29,897 --> 00:25:33,105 Like extreme happiness. 548 00:25:33,188 --> 00:25:38,355 The freedom that maybe a person could feel 549 00:25:38,438 --> 00:25:41,689 after being in jail. 550 00:25:41,772 --> 00:25:42,897 I don't know. 551 00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:44,772 Like it's, it was just... 552 00:25:46,605 --> 00:25:48,772 being born again. 553 00:25:48,855 --> 00:25:52,730 I got to see these two versions of Ambra. 554 00:25:52,814 --> 00:25:56,522 The source that I was working with who was so, uh, 555 00:25:56,605 --> 00:26:00,397 brave and strategic and savvy. 556 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,438 And then this caricature of you 557 00:26:03,522 --> 00:26:07,397 that so many people in the media had embraced. 558 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,522 You know, I got to listen to all these executives 559 00:26:09,605 --> 00:26:10,939 over and over again saying, 560 00:26:11,021 --> 00:26:13,397 "Oh, but she's a hustler. She's a shakedown artist. 561 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,730 She's a hooker." Uh... 562 00:26:15,814 --> 00:26:17,563 And it, it blew my mind on several levels because, 563 00:26:17,647 --> 00:26:21,230 first of all, if a source had been a prostitute, 564 00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:24,939 that doesn't mean her story isn't true. 565 00:26:25,021 --> 00:26:27,647 Exactly. That's something I would have always said. 566 00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:30,605 Like, "Did you hear the recordings?" 567 00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:33,647 -Even if I was that. -Of course. Of course. 568 00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:36,397 I, I never wanted to, 569 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,397 to not be myself. 570 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Why should I change what I am, what makes me happy, 571 00:26:43,563 --> 00:26:49,063 to just make people think that, um, things cannot change, 572 00:26:49,146 --> 00:26:52,647 that even a woman that wears high heels and a short skirt 573 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:57,730 can stop someone bad to do bad things, 574 00:26:57,814 --> 00:27:00,188 to be strong enough, 575 00:27:00,271 --> 00:27:03,438 to be knowing who she is, what she want, 576 00:27:03,522 --> 00:27:08,063 and so to say no when she doesn't want to do things. 577 00:27:08,146 --> 00:27:10,814 Farrow: Once I understood Ambra's story, 578 00:27:10,897 --> 00:27:13,730 I realized another way to understand the power dynamic 579 00:27:13,814 --> 00:27:15,939 that played out in that hotel. 580 00:27:16,021 --> 00:27:17,563 Because in standing her ground 581 00:27:17,647 --> 00:27:19,438 and showing this incredible degree 582 00:27:19,522 --> 00:27:21,522 of savvy and determination, 583 00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:24,230 Ambra Gutierrez became the one with the power. 584 00:27:24,313 --> 00:27:27,438 People really miscalculated, underestimating you. 585 00:27:27,522 --> 00:27:31,188 It was perfect. They would never have thought I had those recordings. 586 00:27:31,271 --> 00:27:35,271 Who am I? I have no power. I'm a model. (laughs) 587 00:27:35,355 --> 00:27:38,772 ♪ ♪ 588 00:27:38,855 --> 00:27:41,313 Farrow: Ambra's recording was the kind of hard evidence 589 00:27:41,397 --> 00:27:43,814 that reporters have chased for years. 590 00:27:43,897 --> 00:27:47,605 Some of those reporters had come pretty close to nailing the story, too. 591 00:27:47,689 --> 00:27:50,230 That's what I discovered when I spoke to Kim Masters, 592 00:27:50,313 --> 00:27:52,605 the respected entertainment journalist. 593 00:27:52,689 --> 00:27:55,438 (Kim Masters speaking) 594 00:28:04,563 --> 00:28:07,689 ♪ ♪ 595 00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:10,563 What were you thinking as you left that meeting with Harvey? 596 00:29:10,814 --> 00:29:13,271 Oh, I knew... as soon as I went down that elevator. 597 00:29:13,355 --> 00:29:15,980 I knew it. It's over. I got to the bottom floor... 598 00:29:16,397 --> 00:29:19,355 and I said, "There's gonna be retaliation." 599 00:29:20,021 --> 00:29:23,146 SPEAKER: Harvey could basically say, "Would you like an Oscar 600 00:29:23,563 --> 00:29:25,939 or to litigate until I destroy you?" 601 00:29:26,772 --> 00:29:28,939 It really did feel like the ungettable story. 602 00:29:29,438 --> 00:29:30,939 I had any number of people who'll say, 603 00:29:31,021 --> 00:29:32,647 "I'll talk, but you can't quote me." 604 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:34,855 And what was that about? It was fear. 605 00:29:35,522 --> 00:29:38,480 Harvey comes screaming like a madman, 606 00:29:39,397 --> 00:29:42,021 and then he said, "What have you heard about me?" 607 00:29:42,689 --> 00:29:44,188 I said, "I heard you rape women." 45649

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