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(Harvey Weinstein speaking)
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Ambra Gutierrez:
No. Please.
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I don't wanna do something
I don't wanna do.
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(somber music playing)
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Ronan Farrow:
It was a Friday in March 2015.
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It was cold outside
and Ambra Gutierrez
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found herself on a corner in
lower Manhattan breaking down.
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Ambra was 22.
She didn't speak much English.
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She's a Filipina-Italian model,
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and she'd just moved
to the United States
about a month before
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to pursue her career.
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Gutierrez:
And I was on the street
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and I, I just start crying.
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And in my head,
I was like, "Oh my God,
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like, why is this happening?"
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Farrow:
Ambra pulled out her phone
and called her agent
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and told him she had just been
assaulted by Harvey Weinstein.
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She said he groped her
and put his hand up her skirt
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during a meeting at his office.
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I just felt that
I needed to go to the police.
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So, I told him to take me there.
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Farrow: This is
the story of the efforts
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to uncover the truth
about how a powerful
and predatory man
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for decades evaded justice.
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It's the story of how media
and law enforcement
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and the world of private
espionage protected that man.
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Rosanna Arquette:
Oh, I knew there was
gonna be retaliation.
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Rose McGowan: I didn't
think there was going
to be such collusion.
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Farrow:
And how, in the end,
all of that wasn't enough
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in the face of a group of
sources who risked everything
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to expose the truth.
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♪ ♪
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-Woman (on radio): 521.
-Gutierrez: I was shaking.
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Harvey Weinstein assaulted me.
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So, I went to the...
that station.
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(man speaking indistinctly
on radio)
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And, um...
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and when I talked
to the police guy,
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I said that
this person assaulted me.
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He answered, "Again?"
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And I don't know why,
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but that "again" just made me
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feel like burning inside,
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like this, I don't know...
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I nearly would say
boiling the blood.
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'Cause you suspected
this was a guy who was doing
this in a serial way.
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Happened again. Yeah.
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Farrow:
And then, while
Ambra was sitting
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with the NYPD's
special victim's division,
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giving a detailed report
of what had happened,
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she got a call
on her cell phone.
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(phone buzzing)
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It was Weinstein.
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Gutierrez:
"Ambra, I'm very mad at you.
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Where are you?"
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Farrow:
Weinstein didn't know
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Ambra was with the police.
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He was calling because
he was annoyed with her.
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Apparently, he'd told her
he was going to hold
tickets for her
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at a production
of "Finding Neverland,"
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a Broadway show
he was producing.
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Ambra, however, didn't show up.
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Gutierrez:
They're very expensive tickets.
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I said, "I'm sorry."
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Um, I didn't feel so good.
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Um, you know, women's problems,
something like that.
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Farrow:
So, here's Ambra,
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sitting in the police station,
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in the middle
of reporting this guy.
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And now she has him
on the phone.
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Gutierrez:
I asked him like...
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um...
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"So, how,
how do my breasts feel?"
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And he said,
"Oh, you're, you're great.
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They're, they feel great.
They're, they're amazing."
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Like he was admitting,
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and so I thought that,
that's it.
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They heard it.
I was saying the truth.
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(laughs)
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Instead, they asked me,
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"Ambra, could you
do something for us?"
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They said, um, "Would you want
to meet him tomorrow
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and wear a wire?"
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And I just said, "Yes, sure."
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♪ ♪
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Farrow: The night before
the sting, Ambra says
she couldn't sleep.
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She was just hours away
from reengaging with the man
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who had assaulted her
the day before.
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And yet, while she was
lying there awake
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turning over this decision
to help the police,
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there was one word
that kept coming back to her,
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something the police
had said the day before.
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Gutierrez:
"Again?"
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I don't know, I kept repeating
in my mind that "again."
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I don't know, that gave me
strength to do everything,
I think.
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I didn't want that to happen
anymore to anyone.
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♪ ♪
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(alarm beeping)
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Meteorologist:
It is spring.
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It doesn't necessarily look
or feel like it today,
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that is for sure.
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Farrow:
The next afternoon,
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the police hid the wire
under Ambra's clothes.
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She went to see
"Finding Neverland."
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(cheering and applause)
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♪ ♪
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And then she met Weinstein.
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Weinstein:
So, I'm glad
you went because,
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you know,
I made this a movie
many years ago
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with Johnny Depp
and Kate Winslet.
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-Gutierrez: Yeah, I've seen it.
-Weinstein: And now I,
I wanted to make it a musical.
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-Farrow: And the police...
-Gutierrez: Sitting...
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-Farrow: Were there undercover?
-Gutierrez: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And they told me that if
I was feeling uncomfortable,
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to just say that you were
going to the restroom.
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Farrow:
Weinstein and Ambra stayed
at the bar for a while.
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(Weinstein speaking)
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I'd teach you, whatever, but...
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Gutierrez:
He was saying, um,
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those names of actresses
that he helped,
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giving me so many compliments,
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saying, "You're much better
than this and that."
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And keep on repeating
that if I would listen to him,
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I would become even greater
(laughs) than them.
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Farrow: And what's going
through your head
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as you're listening
to him do this?
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Gutierrez:
I was thinking how,
I don't know,
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he could even like
think that I would
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even believe
those things.
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Farrow:
Ambra's pretty savvy
about these things.
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Some of that
is just who she is
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and some of it came
from experiences
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in a different country
with a different powerful man,
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Silvio Berlusconi,
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the now former
prime minister of Italy.
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Berlusconi had made a lot
of his money as a media mogul.
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In 2009, "Forbes" listed him
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as the 12th most powerful
person in the world.
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And at the time,
he controlled or influenced
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six of at least seven
major TV networks.
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And the government,
which he ran,
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also provided subsidies
to most of the newspapers
in the country,
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which many argue
made the press
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less critical
of the prime minister.
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(bell tolling)
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Gutierrez:
I was born in Torino.
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My mom is Filipina,
and my dad Italian.
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Farrow:
Her family was working class.
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She was close with her mom,
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but her strongest relationship
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was with her little brother,
Claudio.
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Gutierrez: My brother,
of course, was little.
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He was three years younger.
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So, we were playing a lot
of video games.
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Farrow:
What did you play?
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Gutierrez:
(laughs) We had Mario Karts...
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and PlayStations.
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There is this little dragon
that I don't remember...
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-Spyro the Dragon. Yeah!
-Spyro, oh yeah, that's it.
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So, I remember, like,
trying to go to sleep
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and then instead turning
on the TV and play all night.
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(laughs)
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Farrow: Ambra says
her father could be violent.
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She called him
"Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."
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She says sometimes
he beat her mom,
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and when Ambra tried
to intervene and protect her,
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sometimes she'd get hurt, too.
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Eventually, her father left
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and Ambra needed to find
a way to support the family.
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That's when she decided
to try modeling.
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(Ambra speaking Italian)
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Farrow:
She was a finalist
for Miss Italy in 2010.
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She was on TV
and got a lot of attention.
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Not all of it wanted.
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Gutierrez:
I was noticed by bad people
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that tried to take advantage
of playing on my dreams,
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taking me to the house of
the prime minister at the time.
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Farrow:
Ambra's agent brought her
to what she was told
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would be a work function.
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Turns out, it was one
of these wild bacchanals
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that Berlusconi threw at
his mansion outside of Milan.
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The press called them
"Bunga Bunga parties."
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This is a story about a guy
who wants to dance.
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♪ In the land of Bunga Bunga ♪
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♪ All the chores
are fun and games... ♪
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Reporter 1:
It's the Italian
prime minister,
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he's in the news again,
insisting that
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his infamous
Bunga Bunga parties
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are innocent get-togethers.
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Reporter 2:
Italian Prime Minister
Silvio Berlusconi
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is once again defending
his love life.
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Reporter 3:
Allegations that he paid
for sex with a 17-year-old girl
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and used his office
to cover it up.
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(Silvio Berlusconi
speaking in Italian)
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(audience laughing)
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♪ ♪
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Gutierrez:
I was there with my friend
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and what I saw was, um...
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just like women
that work in TV
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being there and doing dances,
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erotic dances, and like being
naked and other stuff.
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Farrow: Ambra says
she was groped repeatedly
by Berlusconi.
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The 30 or so women there
were asked to perform
degrading sex acts
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like kissing a statue
of an erect penis.
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After two hours, Ambra and
her friend demanded to leave.
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On their way out,
one of Berlusconi's
associates told them,
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"You can forget
about your careers."
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♪ ♪
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Farrow:
Back at the hotel bar
in Tribeca,
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Ambra was still
wearing the wire.
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(Weinstein speaking)
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Gutierrez:
I have a costume, yeah.
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Gutierrez:
Oh, okay. (laughs)
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Farrow:
She and the undercover
police surrounding her
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had been waiting for Weinstein
to escalate things.
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Then he said,
"Okay, um, I need to get
ready for this event.
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I'm gonna take a shower
and just come with me."
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-(Weinstein speaking)
-Gutierrez: Now?
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I was like, "Why do I
have to come with you,
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if you're taking a shower?"
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But I was playing dumb.
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(Weinstein speaking)
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Weinstein: That's all,
and if you need anything...
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Be like, "Okay."
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Um, I left my jacket there.
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And I followed him.
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And this was something
the police had
told you to do
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if you got in a situation
where you needed
to get out?
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No, that's something
I thought of.
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It's something you
came up with?
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Yeah, because my mom
always told me,
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like, "always pay attention."
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"Be careful,
like, you're a woman."
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In any situation, I had
to have an escape plan, always.
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(Weinstein speaking)
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Gutierrez: Oh, my jacket.
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Gutierrez:
I, it's downstairs. I forgot.
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Gutierrez: I took my jacket
and I'm watching the police.
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I'm like,
"Will someone follow me?"
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And then in the hallway,
almost close to the room,
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I finally hear someone say,
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"Hi, Mr. Weinstein.
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Uh, this is blah,
blah, blah from TMZ."
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(Andy speaking)
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Weinstein: Nice to see you.
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Weinstein:
What are you doing?
Whatever.
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Farrow: And this was
a police officer posing
as a TMZ reporter?
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Gutierrez: Yes, of course.
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-Weinstein: Please...
-Gutierrez: Uh...
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Weinstein:
I don't give a... who you are.
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Farrow: Weinstein tried
to get him to leave,
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but the cop wouldn't budge.
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Weinstein went and complained
to the hotel staff,
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who pointed him and Ambra
to a more private entrance
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and eventually
to a service elevator.
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Weinstein pressed the button
for the penthouse.
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And Ambra had a problem.
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Gutierrez:
And I couldn't text the police.
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My phone was not working.
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I was trying to keep calm
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and I knew that I could have
just got out of there.
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So, there I was starting to,
to get very nervous.
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♪ ♪
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Farrow:
Ambra was getting
farther away from the police.
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Her phone wasn't working.
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And the pacified Weinstein,
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the one who'd seemed
so interested in helping
her career,
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had now become more
insistent, more overbearing.
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Gutierrez:
And he starts saying,
uh, "Get into the room."
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Gutierrez (on wire):
What do we have to do here?
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(Weinstein speaking)
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Gutierrez: And he's like,
"I'm just gonna take a shower.
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You just sit there
five minutes."
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(Weinstein continues)
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Gutierrez: I don't drink.
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-Can I stay down in the bar?
-Weinstein: No.
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-Gutierrez: No.
-Weinstein:
You look beautiful. Please?
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Gutierrez:
No, I don't want to.
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Gutierrez: I know.
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Gutierrez: I'm sorry.
I did not mean...
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Yesterday was
kind of aggressive for me.
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-Weinstein: I know.
-Gutierrez: I need to know
a person to be touched.
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-Gutierrez: I don't...
-Weinstein:
Come with me, please.
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I swear, I won't.
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(Weinstein continues)
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Weinstein:
Please, I'm not gonna
do anything.
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Please come in.
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What did you think
when he said that,
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"I swear on my children"?
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I don't know.
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It made me feel
a little disgusted.
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-Gutierrez: No, I can't.
-Weinstein: I asked you to...
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Gutierrez:
Please, I don't wanna do
something I don't wanna do.
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Weinstein:
Go to the bath.
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Gutierrez:
I wanna go downstairs.
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Weinstein:
I'm not gonna do anything
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and you'll never see me
again after this.
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Gutierrez: I'm feeling very
uncomfortable right now.
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Weinstein:
Five minutes.
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Gutierrez:
I know, but it's kind of like,
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it's too much for me, okay?
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Farrow:
Ambra, still wearing the wire,
asked him a question.
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(Gutierrez speaking)
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Weinstein: Oh, please,
I'm sorry, just come on in.
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-(Weinstein continues)
-Gutierrez:
You're used to that?
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Weinstein:
Yes, come in.
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Gutierrez:
No, but I'm not used to that.
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(Weinstein continues)
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Weinstein:
Come on, sit here.
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Farrow: She'd gotten it.
She'd gotten a confession.
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Weinstein didn't know
Ambra was recording,
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but it was obvious
she wasn't gonna comply
with his requests.
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And in that moment,
she'd become a liability.
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He followed her downstairs
and returned to the bar.
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Weinstein was trying
to keep her calm.
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He asked if they
could have a coffee.
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But Ambra's job was done.
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She was scared, exhausted.
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She walked away from him
and into a bathroom
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where she met
two police officers.
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They snuck her out of
the building and into a car.
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She was rattled
but they reassured her.
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Gutierrez: They were like,
"Ambra, you were great.
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You got it.
You stopped a monster."
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Farrow: Shortly after
Ambra left the hotel,
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detectives went
and found Weinstein.
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He voluntarily followed them
to an NYPD precinct
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where he was questioned
before eventually
requesting a lawyer.
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He was let go that night.
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♪ ♪
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The matter was now
in the hands
of the district attorney,
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Cyrus Vance, Jr.
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Cyrus Vance, Jr.:
The Manhattan
district attorney's office
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is one of the great civic
institutions in this city.
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Farrow:
Ambra met with the head
of the DA's sex crimes unit,
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Martha Bashford,
for questioning.
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Gutierrez: First moment
I saw her, I said, "Great.
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She's a woman."
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And they asked
questions like,
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"So, what happened in Italy?
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Were you a prostitute?"
And things like that.
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And I was like,
"Did you hear the recording?"
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Farrow:
Two law enforcement
sources told me
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Bashford grilled Ambra
about Berlusconi
345
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and her personal
sexual history.
346
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One even said
Bashford was acting
347
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like one of Weinstein's
personal defense attorneys.
348
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The DA's office has said
that this was all part
of a typical interview
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meant to prepare a witness
for what could happen at trial.
350
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But Ambra and those
law enforcement sources
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saw it differently.
352
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Gutierrez:
I understood what
was happening.
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But I couldn't believe it,
that, you know,
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was actually going that way.
355
00:16:14,021 --> 00:16:15,146
So, I...
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And what was happening,
in your view?
357
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That this person
was against me.
358
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Farrow:
This situation, trying
to report criminal activity
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and getting smeared
as a prostitute instead,
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Ambra had faced
this before, too.
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Back in 2010,
the Berlusconi parties
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became public
knowledge in Italy.
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Reporter:
Silvio Berlusconi
has appeared in court
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to deny having sex with
an underage prostitute.
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Farrow: Ambra provided
a police statement
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and eventually agreed
to testify against
the prime minister
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on charges that he'd paid
for sex with a minor.
368
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(Italian reporter speaking)
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Gutierrez: I had paparazzi
coming at school.
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I had people
not talking to me anymore.
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And, uh, my, my life just
fell down completely.
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♪ ♪
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Farrow:
After meeting with
the Manhattan DA's office,
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Ambra simply had to wait.
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Gutierrez:
I got out of that meeting
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and I was waiting
for something to happen.
377
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Was waiting for someone
to call me to tell me anything.
378
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Farrow:
Weinstein's lawyers,
meanwhile,
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hired a private
intelligence firm called K2,
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to keep Manhattan DA
Cyrus Vance, Jr.
from pressing charges.
381
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Reporter:
K2 Global Partners
has investigated
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00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,522
countless suspects,
383
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corporations
and sovereign nations.
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Farrow:
The firm dug up clips
from the Italian press
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about the Berlusconi scandal,
386
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clips that made Ambra out
to be an illicit sex worker.
387
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And then current
and former K2 employees,
388
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all of whom had previously
worked at the DA's office,
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relayed the information
smearing Gutierrez
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in calls to prosecutors.
391
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Reporter 1:
She's the stunning
Italian model
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who's accusing famed
movie mogul Harvey Weinstein
of sexual abuse...
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Reporter 2: ...has made
similar claims before.
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00:18:02,146 --> 00:18:04,271
Farrow:
Just like in Italy,
395
00:18:04,355 --> 00:18:07,939
the claims about her
found their way
into American tabloids,
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tabloids Weinstein
had close ties to.
397
00:18:10,814 --> 00:18:12,814
Reporter 3:
She was a witness
in the notorious
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Bunga Bunga sex scandal.
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Gutierrez:
They were trying to smear me.
400
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So, I don't know.
401
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,397
I kept waiting for the DA
to call me.
402
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,438
And instead,
I saw it coming out in the news
403
00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:30,605
that Harvey Weinstein was not
going to be charged criminally.
404
00:18:30,689 --> 00:18:32,522
News anchor: The New York
District Attorney chose
405
00:18:32,605 --> 00:18:34,522
not to press charges
against Weinstein,
406
00:18:34,605 --> 00:18:35,855
citing not enough evidence.
407
00:18:35,939 --> 00:18:37,939
If we had a case that we felt
408
00:18:38,021 --> 00:18:40,897
we could prosecute against
Harvey Weinstein, we would.
409
00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:43,355
What went through
your mind when you saw that?
410
00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:46,647
(sighs) Game over. (laughs)
411
00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:48,980
Farrow:
And your reputation
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-was... spiraling.
413
00:18:50,188 --> 00:18:52,105
Getting shredded completely.
Yeah.
414
00:18:52,188 --> 00:18:54,689
Like I was losing everything,
415
00:18:54,772 --> 00:18:59,313
and then I got an email
from my lawyer
416
00:18:59,397 --> 00:19:05,939
where, um, Harvey wanted
to stipulate a contract
417
00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:10,021
to help me out
in the situation, let's say.
418
00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:16,480
It was to put this all behind
in an exchange of money.
419
00:19:16,563 --> 00:19:20,480
I told him, "No, I,
I don't want anything from you."
420
00:19:20,563 --> 00:19:21,647
Like I don't want money.
421
00:19:21,730 --> 00:19:25,438
And he started with,
I think, $300,000.
422
00:19:25,522 --> 00:19:30,522
And then he went up
to $500,000.
423
00:19:30,605 --> 00:19:34,105
And the last time
that he tried to offer me
424
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the million dollar.
425
00:19:35,397 --> 00:19:39,522
I remember that day
'cause it was the most...
426
00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,480
scary that I could remember.
427
00:19:43,563 --> 00:19:45,730
'Cause my brother called me.
428
00:19:46,647 --> 00:19:50,063
And, um, started saying that
429
00:19:50,146 --> 00:19:56,980
someone went to where
he worked, asking about me.
430
00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:58,647
Farrow:
Ambra's brother, Claudio,
431
00:19:58,730 --> 00:20:01,563
the one she'd grown up playing
video games with all night.
432
00:20:01,647 --> 00:20:03,397
He was living in Italy
at the time.
433
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,230
And the press
had found him, too.
434
00:20:06,313 --> 00:20:08,438
It freaked her out.
435
00:20:08,522 --> 00:20:12,105
Gutierrez:
I couldn't put anyone
of my family at risk.
436
00:20:13,105 --> 00:20:14,980
And that's it.
437
00:20:15,063 --> 00:20:19,355
I decided to, to accept.
438
00:20:19,438 --> 00:20:20,522
♪ ♪
439
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Farrow:
On April 20th, 2015,
440
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a few weeks after
the alleged assault,
441
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Ambra sat in an office
in midtown Manhattan
442
00:20:27,105 --> 00:20:31,105
with an 18-page non-disclosure
agreement in front of her.
443
00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:34,105
One of Weinstein's attorneys
sat opposite her.
444
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Gutierrez:
He looked super nervous,
445
00:20:38,021 --> 00:20:40,814
even looking
a little like embarrassed.
446
00:20:40,897 --> 00:20:41,897
Mm-hmm.
447
00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:45,063
Like, "I'm here,
but I'm sorry that I'm here."
448
00:20:45,146 --> 00:20:46,063
You know?
449
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Farrow:
As part of the agreement,
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she was required to hand over
all of her technology
451
00:20:50,563 --> 00:20:53,605
to another
investigative agency, Kroll.
452
00:20:55,397 --> 00:20:58,647
She had to give them passwords
to all of her email accounts
453
00:20:58,730 --> 00:21:02,021
and they combed through
the accounts to clear them
of any evidence
454
00:21:02,105 --> 00:21:03,730
of the Weinstein incident.
455
00:21:03,814 --> 00:21:07,230
Then they gave all the devices
back empty.
456
00:21:07,313 --> 00:21:09,563
Because there were no charges,
457
00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:10,980
none of the evidence
the police collected
458
00:21:11,063 --> 00:21:12,897
was a matter
of public record.
459
00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,313
No one outside law enforcement
knew there had been a tape.
460
00:21:18,313 --> 00:21:21,438
It was as if nothing
had ever happened.
461
00:21:21,522 --> 00:21:24,897
Ambra slipped into
a long period of depression.
462
00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:26,438
She couldn't get any work.
463
00:21:26,522 --> 00:21:29,021
She developed
an eating disorder.
464
00:21:29,105 --> 00:21:30,897
Gutierrez:
I didn't leave my bed.
465
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I remember like
my mom had to...
466
00:21:35,939 --> 00:21:38,063
to bathe me, to...
467
00:21:38,146 --> 00:21:43,271
to take care of me 'cause I was
just there in bed sleeping,
468
00:21:43,355 --> 00:21:46,438
trying to think it was a dream.
469
00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:50,480
Farrow: She lived
in the Philippines and Italy
for the next two years...
470
00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:53,689
trying
to put it all behind her.
471
00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:57,146
♪ ♪
472
00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:58,814
At that moment,
I was in the thick
473
00:21:58,897 --> 00:22:02,021
of my Weinstein reporting
at NBC.
474
00:22:02,105 --> 00:22:05,146
I'd read the initial tabloid
coverage of Ambra's story.
475
00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:07,814
I'd heard there was a sting.
476
00:22:07,897 --> 00:22:10,021
I called Ambra's lawyer,
who sounded worried
477
00:22:10,105 --> 00:22:12,730
and said he wasn't
at liberty to talk.
478
00:22:12,814 --> 00:22:15,897
But then, to my surprise,
I got a text from her.
479
00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:19,814
Gutierrez: "Uh, this is Ambra.
I would like to meet you."
(laughs)
480
00:22:19,897 --> 00:22:22,563
Farrow:
We met for the first time
at a Manhattan restaurant.
481
00:22:22,647 --> 00:22:25,772
She was sitting in the back.
She seemed anxious.
482
00:22:25,855 --> 00:22:27,939
You were putting
a lot on the line.
483
00:22:28,021 --> 00:22:30,271
What made you decide
to talk to me anyway?
484
00:22:30,355 --> 00:22:33,647
I was really thinking like,
this is it.
485
00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:38,939
Like after two years,
I could be taking my life back.
486
00:22:39,021 --> 00:22:41,105
Farrow: I remember Ambra
taking a deep breath
487
00:22:41,188 --> 00:22:45,105
and then showing me
the million-dollar settlement.
488
00:22:45,188 --> 00:22:47,355
Turns out, Ambra
was sitting on something
489
00:22:47,438 --> 00:22:48,939
even bigger than the contract.
490
00:22:49,021 --> 00:22:50,855
She didn't have a recording
from the wire,
491
00:22:50,939 --> 00:22:52,980
but it turns out
that throughout the sting,
492
00:22:53,063 --> 00:22:54,855
while she was wearing the wire,
493
00:22:54,939 --> 00:22:59,271
Ambra was also recording
a backup on her cell phone.
494
00:23:01,105 --> 00:23:06,146
The first thing
that I did after the,
uh, police operation,
495
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:10,355
I sent my recordings to five
different emails that I had.
496
00:23:10,438 --> 00:23:13,855
Farrow: Remember that Kroll,
the cybersecurity
firm Weinstein hired
497
00:23:13,939 --> 00:23:15,355
to enforce Ambra's NDA,
498
00:23:15,438 --> 00:23:17,230
had asked
for all of her passwords
499
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,897
and scoured all of her devices
and email accounts
500
00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:23,063
to make sure any copies of
the recording were destroyed.
501
00:23:23,146 --> 00:23:26,063
And Ambra had
said she'd complied.
502
00:23:26,146 --> 00:23:30,230
But there was one password
she didn't give up right away.
503
00:23:30,313 --> 00:23:34,188
And I said, "Sorry,
I don't remember the last one.
504
00:23:34,271 --> 00:23:35,814
"I'm, I'm gonna figure it out.
505
00:23:35,897 --> 00:23:37,605
It's, it's an Italian account."
506
00:23:37,689 --> 00:23:40,063
♪ ♪
507
00:23:40,146 --> 00:23:44,689
I opened up my, my email
and I saw the recordings.
508
00:23:44,772 --> 00:23:48,563
I made copies of it
to the desktop of the computer.
509
00:23:48,647 --> 00:23:52,563
And then I called my lawyer
and I said,
510
00:23:52,647 --> 00:23:56,146
"Oh, I remember the password.
It's this one."
511
00:23:56,230 --> 00:24:00,146
Farrow: So just like that,
Ambra had saved a copy
of the recordings
512
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,355
and no one figured it out.
513
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:07,397
For weeks, I pressed Ambra
to give me the audio.
514
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,772
Gutierrez: I would
have wanted to give you
those recordings
515
00:24:09,855 --> 00:24:13,730
and, of course,
I didn't wanna make trace
of where it was coming from.
516
00:24:13,814 --> 00:24:16,313
And then I said,
"Well, what if we just..."
517
00:24:16,397 --> 00:24:18,772
-Record the recording.
-Record the recording.
518
00:24:18,855 --> 00:24:20,689
And it allowed me to say,
519
00:24:20,772 --> 00:24:22,939
"She never transferred
any files to me."
520
00:24:23,021 --> 00:24:24,897
-Gutierrez: Of course.
It was the truth.
-Yeah.
521
00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:26,980
Then I said, "Great, let's,
let's get the computer out,"
522
00:24:27,063 --> 00:24:30,105
and I remember you saying,
"Oh, there's a problem."
523
00:24:30,188 --> 00:24:31,480
The speaker don't work.
524
00:24:31,563 --> 00:24:33,063
The speakers don't work.
525
00:24:33,146 --> 00:24:37,772
So, you ran out
of the restaurant
to get a speaker.
526
00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:39,897
♪ ♪
527
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:41,271
Farrow: What was going
through your mind
528
00:24:41,355 --> 00:24:44,230
as I sprinted across town
to get speakers?
529
00:24:44,313 --> 00:24:47,271
I was really waiting
for it to come out.
530
00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:51,105
Like I was really ready.
531
00:24:51,188 --> 00:24:54,563
(Weinstein speaking)
532
00:24:54,647 --> 00:24:56,188
Farrow:
Later, in fact-checking calls
533
00:24:56,271 --> 00:24:57,647
with Weinstein
and his lawyers,
534
00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:00,313
when we told them we had
a copy of the recording,
535
00:25:00,397 --> 00:25:02,230
Weinstein was shocked.
536
00:25:02,313 --> 00:25:04,063
"The recording
that was destroyed
537
00:25:04,146 --> 00:25:06,980
by the district attorney?"
he kept saying.
538
00:25:07,063 --> 00:25:09,897
District Attorney
Cyrus Vance, Jr.'s office
denies this
539
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:12,438
and says they would never
agree to destroy evidence.
540
00:25:12,522 --> 00:25:13,939
Weinstein: Oh, please,
I'm sorry. Just come on.
541
00:25:14,021 --> 00:25:15,855
(Weinstein continues)
542
00:25:15,939 --> 00:25:17,689
Farrow: That October,
I published the first
543
00:25:17,772 --> 00:25:20,188
in a series of articles
exposing Weinstein
544
00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:22,063
and telling Ambra's story.
545
00:25:22,146 --> 00:25:25,814
What was it like
to finally see the story
546
00:25:25,897 --> 00:25:28,146
and the recording go public?
547
00:25:29,897 --> 00:25:33,105
Like extreme happiness.
548
00:25:33,188 --> 00:25:38,355
The freedom that maybe
a person could feel
549
00:25:38,438 --> 00:25:41,689
after being in jail.
550
00:25:41,772 --> 00:25:42,897
I don't know.
551
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:44,772
Like it's, it was just...
552
00:25:46,605 --> 00:25:48,772
being born again.
553
00:25:48,855 --> 00:25:52,730
I got to see
these two versions of Ambra.
554
00:25:52,814 --> 00:25:56,522
The source that
I was working with
who was so, uh,
555
00:25:56,605 --> 00:26:00,397
brave and strategic
and savvy.
556
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,438
And then this
caricature of you
557
00:26:03,522 --> 00:26:07,397
that so many people
in the media had embraced.
558
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,522
You know, I got to listen
to all these executives
559
00:26:09,605 --> 00:26:10,939
over and over again saying,
560
00:26:11,021 --> 00:26:13,397
"Oh, but she's a hustler.
She's a shakedown artist.
561
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,730
She's a hooker." Uh...
562
00:26:15,814 --> 00:26:17,563
And it, it blew my mind
on several levels because,
563
00:26:17,647 --> 00:26:21,230
first of all, if a source
had been a prostitute,
564
00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:24,939
that doesn't mean
her story isn't true.
565
00:26:25,021 --> 00:26:27,647
Exactly. That's something
I would have always said.
566
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:30,605
Like, "Did you hear
the recordings?"
567
00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:33,647
-Even if I was that.
-Of course. Of course.
568
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:36,397
I, I never wanted to,
569
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,397
to not be myself.
570
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,480
Why should I change what I am,
what makes me happy,
571
00:26:43,563 --> 00:26:49,063
to just make people think that,
um, things cannot change,
572
00:26:49,146 --> 00:26:52,647
that even a woman that wears
high heels and a short skirt
573
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:57,730
can stop someone bad
to do bad things,
574
00:26:57,814 --> 00:27:00,188
to be strong enough,
575
00:27:00,271 --> 00:27:03,438
to be knowing who she is,
what she want,
576
00:27:03,522 --> 00:27:08,063
and so to say no when
she doesn't want to do things.
577
00:27:08,146 --> 00:27:10,814
Farrow:
Once I understood
Ambra's story,
578
00:27:10,897 --> 00:27:13,730
I realized another way
to understand the power dynamic
579
00:27:13,814 --> 00:27:15,939
that played out in that hotel.
580
00:27:16,021 --> 00:27:17,563
Because in standing
her ground
581
00:27:17,647 --> 00:27:19,438
and showing
this incredible degree
582
00:27:19,522 --> 00:27:21,522
of savvy and determination,
583
00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:24,230
Ambra Gutierrez became
the one with the power.
584
00:27:24,313 --> 00:27:27,438
People really miscalculated,
underestimating you.
585
00:27:27,522 --> 00:27:31,188
It was perfect.
They would never have thought
I had those recordings.
586
00:27:31,271 --> 00:27:35,271
Who am I? I have no power.
I'm a model. (laughs)
587
00:27:35,355 --> 00:27:38,772
♪ ♪
588
00:27:38,855 --> 00:27:41,313
Farrow:
Ambra's recording was
the kind of hard evidence
589
00:27:41,397 --> 00:27:43,814
that reporters
have chased for years.
590
00:27:43,897 --> 00:27:47,605
Some of those reporters
had come pretty close
to nailing the story, too.
591
00:27:47,689 --> 00:27:50,230
That's what I discovered
when I spoke to Kim Masters,
592
00:27:50,313 --> 00:27:52,605
the respected
entertainment journalist.
593
00:27:52,689 --> 00:27:55,438
(Kim Masters speaking)
594
00:28:04,563 --> 00:28:07,689
♪ ♪
595
00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:10,563
What were you thinking
as you left that meeting
with Harvey?
596
00:29:10,814 --> 00:29:13,271
Oh, I knew... as soon
as I went down that elevator.
597
00:29:13,355 --> 00:29:15,980
I knew it. It's over.
I got to the bottom floor...
598
00:29:16,397 --> 00:29:19,355
and I said, "There's gonna be
retaliation."
599
00:29:20,021 --> 00:29:23,146
SPEAKER:
Harvey could basically say,
"Would you like an Oscar
600
00:29:23,563 --> 00:29:25,939
or to litigate
until I destroy you?"
601
00:29:26,772 --> 00:29:28,939
It really did feel
like the ungettable story.
602
00:29:29,438 --> 00:29:30,939
I had any number of people
who'll say,
603
00:29:31,021 --> 00:29:32,647
"I'll talk,
but you can't quote me."
604
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:34,855
And what was that about?
It was fear.
605
00:29:35,522 --> 00:29:38,480
Harvey comes screaming
like a madman,
606
00:29:39,397 --> 00:29:42,021
and then he said,
"What have you heard about me?"
607
00:29:42,689 --> 00:29:44,188
I said,
"I heard you rape women."
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