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- Hello.
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- Never before has
so much porn been watched,
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and yet the porn industry
is in its death throes.
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- These sites
have turned the industry
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upside down.
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They've swallowed up everything,
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absorbed everything, without
mercy.
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- We knew that it was gonna,
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gonna kill the industry.
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- Production
companies are shutting down
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one by one, and the
first victims are women.
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Actresses are forced to
take part in increasingly
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hardcore porn, for half as much
money.
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- Many production believe
that the harder you shoot--
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- yes the harder the better.
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- The bigger you put inside.
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- Yeah, she's had a lot
of cocks in her ass.
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Four cocks at the same time.
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- Just a handful of
geeks,
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who came out of nowhere, have
profited from this misery,
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earning unprecedented amounts of
money.
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- How
many users of pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
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- Wait a minute, who is this?
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- Turn over a month was
roughly $40 million, us.
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- A month?
- A month.
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- I don't believe anything that
they say,
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having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
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- Behind all of this
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are shady financial operations,
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an opaque business where
the law of silence reigns.
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- In the last three years,
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I have had my life
threatened maybe six times,
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so I carry a gun, just in case.
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- I made adult
films for 17 years.
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I know this industry very well.
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A few years ago, I found out
that my films
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were being shown for
free without my consent,
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and that now, anyone can access
them;
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neighbors, colleagues, children.
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The piracy of my films has
affected my life far more
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than anyone might ever suspect.
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Since the mid-1990s, Budapest
has been the undisputed
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European capital of porn.
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If we would find the victims
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of this great transformation
anywhere, it would be here.
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- I'm Alina, nice to meet you.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- Welcome.
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- Hello.
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Yes.
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Hello.
- Hello.
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- Come, come inside.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- Nice to meet you.
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- This is the main page of our
website.
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Here you can find models
who does hardcore shootings,
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so like, girl-girl,
boy-girl, anal and more.
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So you have information here;
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name, age, place of residence,
the breast,
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and all the stuff that
productions need to know,
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and what she does, from soft to,
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to double anal or whatever.
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- How many girls
do you have right now?
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- Right now?
- Working right now?
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- Right now, this
i don't know, I don't count.
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From our hardcore, it's
i think around maybe 200,
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150, but it's always changing
because
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some of them get pregnant,
some of them get married,
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some of them just don't want
to work in porn anymore.
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So we have, the girls are always
changing,
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but we keep it up like I think.
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- So you started eight
years ago.
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The tubes arrived, meanwhile.
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- It was sweet, sweet beginning.
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It was super nice
business, everything was,
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everyone was cool, and
the rates was higher,
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the business was, and
all the girls was pretty
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because the rates was a bit
higher.
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And then one moment, everything
started falling down,
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crashing, productions began
closing, after crisis.
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I think that half of the
big productions were closed,
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the Americans stopped to come.
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- And the practices,
did they change as well?
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- Oh yeah.
- It's become more rough.
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It's become more, let's say,
generally,
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humanity
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changes, so it has become
more pervert, more dirty mind.
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- Do you think
it's because of the tubes?
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- Yeah, because the porn
become more accessible.
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Anyone now can open Internet
and find anything they want,
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and when they watch this, they
say,
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"okay, what's the next level?
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"What's the next step?"
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They always curious about,
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go deeper and deeper and deeper.
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People become crazy.
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Much crazier than before.
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- So today, very easy,
it's only pussy sex today.
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We don't want to push too
much, she is completely new,
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it's her second time she
is with a boy out of me
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for the casting, but afterwards
David, and now it's you.
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She is a super adorable
person, she enjoys so much,
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she likes to be slapped on the
ass.
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So do not hesitate to be very
active,
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but not too much aggressive.
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And,
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do whatever you want in term of
position,
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she enjoy very much, she
do fantastic, fantastic,
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you will see, she is great.
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So I think you will have fun
with her.
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Kisses, you put the hand under
the dress,
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and you tickle the panties,
okay?
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And we will begin with that.
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All right?
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Action.
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- The difference
with previous generations
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is that today's actresses
have grown up with porn.
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They've been subjected
to and accepted practices
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that most producers would
never before have dared
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to even propose.
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- We are having
a model house here,
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in the city center, that
is close to all locations.
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There is six sleeping places,
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and girl living all together and
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they are not like, really alone
here,
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they can get everything they
want and we are 24 hours online
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to help them with anything they
need.
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- History of porn, they just
need to
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watch all of these movies.
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Actually, it is including
history for the last
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15 years of porn.
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It's Americans, Europeans,
all nationalities,
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all type of porn.
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It's Rocco ravishes Prague 4.
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I think now it's 27 already or
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34 or something.
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- If the girls want to see, they
have DVD.
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And time to watch.
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- Niki, she worked in
this industry just for
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I don't know, for one month,
maybe, a little bit less.
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And she arrived and most
of the things in sex,
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she tried on the shootings,
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even such a simple thing
like a cowgirl position,
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she had never tried it in her
real life.
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Of course, first anal,
she tried it on the set.
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First double penetration,
she tried it on the set.
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- And she's
been here only one month?
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- Yeah.
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- It happens often that some
girls--
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- try new things?
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- Try new things on the set?
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- Yeah.
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Not such simple things like
a blow job for example,
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or some positions.
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Of course on special positions,
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we shoot in the porn movies
like upside down or something.
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Normally we don't do in
real life, they try here.
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But anal, pretty often it
happens
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first time on the shootings.
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- Breakfast.
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- Only sweets for
breakfast?
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- Because sweets give energy.
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Nothing food.
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Water and sweets.
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- Why?
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- Because
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anal sex,
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it's
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food
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and whoa, it's no good, no good.
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But I'm wash.
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It's normal.
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- Okay.
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- So you can, you can get
white with this and this,
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and
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what about the shoes, it's here?
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Okay, perfect.
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Perfect.
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Okay.
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- Would you prefer, two
cocks, or three cocks?
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- Five.
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- Shit...
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What about you?
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- No, I have--
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- what, guys?
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What
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- you prefer one cock, two
cocks?
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You like five?
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- I have three holes, so
three--
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- in one...
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- My pussy, my ass
and my mouth, so it's--
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- it's perfect.
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- Perfect!
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Hmm?
- In my ass?
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- Yeah, she's had like a
lot of cocks in her ass.
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- Four.
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- Four cocks at the same time.
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- Four in your ass?
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- Yes.
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- Yeah.
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It's enough, plus it's in your
ass?
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- Really?
- Show me your ass!
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Show me your ass!
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Because I have never have two in
my ass.
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- But it's three cock.
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It's not, it's--
- okay.
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- It's not...
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- Five cocks, six
cocks?
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I wonder what the next challenge
will be.
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A hemorrhage?
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Death, maybe?
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The worst part is that
the actresses' names
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hardly ever appear on these
sites.
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They are reduced to a
series of categories.
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They're like a Cannon fodder.
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One gaping hole amongst many.
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How can you empathize with these
girls,
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if after all, they don't really
exist?
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I haven't been in the
Berlin fair for 15 years.
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Here too, things have really
changed.
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It used to be the biggest
event of its kind in Europe.
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Back then, adult film
stars were worshiped,
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and producers would
sign contracts non-stop.
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But today, at each stand,
the gloom is palpable.
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- So how did it come to
this?
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And if everything is available
for free,
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who is making any money?
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- We launched youporn
26th of August, 2006.
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So we took it from very,
very small traffic to
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the 26th busiest website in the
world.
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- Did you imagine
that it was going to become so,
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so huge?
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- Yes.
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We had round about 370
million visitors a month,
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used to come into youporn.
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- How did you
get this idea of youporn?
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- Right, the very first,
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the first few weeks,
it was a joke and then
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we kind of realized what
we had on our hands.
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At that point, we realized the
damage
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it was gonna inflict on the
industry.
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So we made a decision
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to help content partners.
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Now, we were evil.
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We were reaching out to
content partners, saying,
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"hey, we're from youporn,
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"we want you to license us your
content.
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"We want to help you, we
want to send our members,
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"our users, to your websites,
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"for you to convert
them into memberships."
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And the general consensus from
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the whole of the industry was,
"you've got to be kidding.
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"Why would someone that is
viewing content for free
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"want to pay a membership?"
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But tube sites have been
there for eight years.
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So, if you're an old
school content producer,
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you would have already adapted
to using the tube sites.
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Those that refuse to adapt,
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they're simply no longer in
business.
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- J-t's right.
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All the people I knew have
disappeared.
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If it was only j-t that had come
along,
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then perhaps they might have
survived.
266
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But the worst was yet to come.
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With manwin, Fabian thylmann
built the first multinational
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empire of sex.
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The majority of the world's
porn videos are now hosted
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on websites that he owns.
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The only people interested
in this unknown man
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are German journalists.
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They were the first to
reveal the obscure nature
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of the company.
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Who is thylmann?
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What kind of guy is he?
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- He is certainly
what you would call a geek.
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More of the technician kind of
guy.
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Sort of the person that has
never been at a porn shoot,
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and in a way, he was
probably at that moment
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00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:08,498
the right person for
the distribution of porn
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in the 21st century.
283
00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,174
- Can you show me how,
284
00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:19,009
when it all started?
285
00:31:20,945 --> 00:31:24,248
- Yeah, well I mean, this is
how it all started for us.
286
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:26,984
So that's the front page of the
paper
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00:31:26,986 --> 00:31:30,287
that was published in September
2012,
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00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:32,055
and it's basically
289
00:31:33,157 --> 00:31:36,393
the result of a long time of
work
290
00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,329
because we started in January
with our investigation.
291
00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:43,667
So it took us nine months in
a way to get this thing done.
292
00:31:45,136 --> 00:31:47,004
All description, how it worked,
293
00:31:47,006 --> 00:31:49,273
when he bought what, everything.
294
00:31:49,275 --> 00:31:53,076
You've got also some
documents that we could show
295
00:31:53,078 --> 00:31:57,281
that led us to quite a lot of
questions.
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00:31:57,283 --> 00:31:59,216
- Fabian,
tell us about yourself,
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where you're from, how did
you get on the Internet and,
298
00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:03,253
we want to know it all.
299
00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:04,554
- So, Fabian.
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00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:09,293
I started online in '99,
roughly, as a programmer.
301
00:32:09,295 --> 00:32:10,227
And I,
302
00:32:11,696 --> 00:32:14,464
I was very interested in high
speed, high traffic websites,
303
00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,199
so complicated programming.
304
00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:18,201
So it's the stuff you would find
305
00:32:18,203 --> 00:32:21,939
at that time was porn,
with a lot of traffic.
306
00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:26,343
So I started buying a couple
of companies in Europe first.
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00:32:26,345 --> 00:32:28,111
But the biggest coup really i
did was
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00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:30,047
buying a company in Canada,
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00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:31,715
which was back then already
one of the big players
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00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:33,417
in the market.
311
00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:35,519
- Can we
name, is compliancy,
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00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:37,387
can we name of one of those
sites?
313
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:39,389
- This biggest one is
pornhub.Com.
314
00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:40,657
- Pornhub, okay.
- Yes.
315
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,192
The second one which is
bigger but more known--
316
00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:43,427
- how many
users does pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
318
00:32:45,164 --> 00:32:47,097
- 16 million daily active users?
319
00:32:47,099 --> 00:32:48,231
- Yes, active users,
yes.
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00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:49,566
About--
- very active.
321
00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:51,335
- Yes, very active.
322
00:32:52,438 --> 00:32:53,737
- Anyway, that's why we invited
Fabian,
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00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:56,974
so it's not only about the
materials.
324
00:32:56,976 --> 00:32:58,075
- How old is he?
325
00:32:58,077 --> 00:33:00,277
- 36, 37 I think.
326
00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:03,080
- So he was quite young
when he
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00:33:03,082 --> 00:33:04,514
became the king of porn.
328
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:08,118
- Well, I mean, that's sort
of how our story started.
329
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,020
Because we saw this,
330
00:33:11,556 --> 00:33:16,660
this video from this big
porn conference in las Vegas.
331
00:33:16,662 --> 00:33:20,330
And it's a four part
video, it's on YouTube,
332
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,200
and there is suddenly
coming this young German guy
333
00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:27,437
on the center stage, sitting
down in his sweater and
334
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,706
he was looking like a sort of
335
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,342
cheap version of mark
zuckerburg or something, yeah?
336
00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,710
And he sits down there
337
00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:37,080
in front of the American porn
industry
338
00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:41,118
and he tells them his vision
and how he's doing things.
339
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,653
And it's like a nobody
appearing, yeah?
340
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,289
And for us, it was like,
"wait a minute, who is this?
341
00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:49,793
"And why the hell are all
the others listening to him?
342
00:33:49,795 --> 00:33:52,662
"What does he have to say?"
343
00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:57,567
- We had roughly 65 million
people on our websites each day.
344
00:33:57,569 --> 00:33:59,102
Different ones.
345
00:33:59,104 --> 00:34:02,272
About 450 million people
a month, different ones.
346
00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:04,207
- 450 million a month?
347
00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:06,643
I'm not sure if I'm mixing
up numbers as usual,
348
00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:09,679
but that sounds like
half the size of Facebook
349
00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:12,349
some time ago, right?
350
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:16,720
- So, turnover a month was
roughly $40 million, us.
351
00:34:17,755 --> 00:34:19,790
- A month?
- A month.
352
00:34:19,792 --> 00:34:21,725
Yeah, I always think in
months, I don't know why,
353
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:25,195
everybody else does it
in years, I don't know.
354
00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:26,096
And...
355
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,132
- You grew so fast.
- Yes, that's probably,
356
00:34:29,134 --> 00:34:31,201
it just kept changing so--
357
00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:34,404
- well, the first thing
that a reporter does is
358
00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:35,605
go into the archives,
359
00:34:35,607 --> 00:34:38,108
looking whatever has
been published before.
360
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:39,810
So we had a list with webpages,
361
00:34:39,812 --> 00:34:42,579
we had a list with company
names,
362
00:34:42,581 --> 00:34:45,115
and then we started to
pull for every company
363
00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:47,818
the record from the trade
register.
364
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:52,589
In the end, we had a network
of about 35 or more companies
365
00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:55,392
that belonged to this empire of
manwin
366
00:34:55,394 --> 00:34:57,561
that Mr. thylmann was running.
367
00:35:18,516 --> 00:35:20,150
We started to ask ourselves,
368
00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:23,787
why do you need companies
in Cyprus, for example?
369
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:25,489
Then the headquarter,
370
00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:27,457
the headquarter was in
Luxembourg.
371
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,360
So we asked ourselves, why is
the headquarter in Luxembourg?
372
00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:34,764
And we went to Luxembourg
and when we arrived there,
373
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,269
I have actually photos that
i can show if you like.
374
00:35:39,271 --> 00:35:41,872
Then, it's a building out
of concrete and glass.
375
00:35:41,874 --> 00:35:45,242
We could look basically
through the door in the office,
376
00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:46,877
and the office was entirely
empty.
377
00:35:46,879 --> 00:35:50,480
There were a few pieces of
furniture standing around--
378
00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:52,315
- so this is the
headquarter
379
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:53,850
of the biggest porn company in
the world?
380
00:35:53,852 --> 00:35:56,686
- This was, in 2012, the
headquarter of
381
00:35:56,688 --> 00:35:59,422
the biggest porn company in the
world.
382
00:35:59,424 --> 00:36:02,459
But the point is, in that
building, we asked the neighbors
383
00:36:02,461 --> 00:36:06,163
and on the lower floor,
there is a Chinese bank.
384
00:36:06,165 --> 00:36:07,497
And we asked the lady there and
we said,
385
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:10,233
"what is going on the fourth
floor, where's manwin?"
386
00:36:10,235 --> 00:36:11,835
And she said in this funny
Chinese voice,
387
00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:14,171
"oh, there's nobody there.
388
00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:15,939
"Oh, there's nobody there."
389
00:36:15,941 --> 00:36:18,308
And it was weird, yeah?
390
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:20,210
And those were all things where
we said,
391
00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:22,512
"okay, it doesn't make sense,
392
00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:23,847
"it doesn't prove anything,
393
00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:27,450
"it doesn't show, okay,
this must be tax evasion."
394
00:36:27,452 --> 00:36:31,655
For us, in the end, obviously
as a German newspaper,
395
00:36:31,657 --> 00:36:34,224
we follow the German angle.
396
00:36:35,526 --> 00:36:38,361
There was one company in
Hamburg,
397
00:36:38,363 --> 00:36:42,699
the manwin Germany company,
that was very interesting to us.
398
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:47,504
Because they run this
website, my dirty hobby.
399
00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:51,408
The company said actually
on their webpage here,
400
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:53,610
"we are run from Cyprus."
401
00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:56,947
And even though we knew
that the performers were
402
00:36:56,949 --> 00:37:00,617
living in Germany and were
shooting their movies in
Germany,
403
00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:04,588
the tax that was deducted
was the cypiotic vat.
404
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:07,557
It's really hard to judge
if everything is going
405
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,559
in a legal way there from the
outside,
406
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:12,996
but at that point, we had
a lot of reasonable doubt.
407
00:37:17,301 --> 00:37:19,703
- I've heard of my
dirty hobby.
408
00:37:19,705 --> 00:37:24,541
It's one of Germany's
largest amateur porn sites.
409
00:37:24,543 --> 00:37:26,776
But what I didn't know
is that it was one of
410
00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:29,579
Fabian thylmann's first
businesses,
411
00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:32,916
and a cornerstone of his manwin
empire.
412
00:39:24,762 --> 00:39:26,696
- Let's see.
413
00:39:27,565 --> 00:39:29,065
There, it's you.
414
00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:30,934
Naughty over forty.
415
00:39:33,604 --> 00:39:35,905
- I'm a German milf.
416
00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:38,041
- Do you have an idea
of how many fans you have?
417
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:41,611
- For my dirty hobby, over
15,000 fans.
418
00:39:43,147 --> 00:39:46,683
It's a very great fan
base on my dirty hobby.
419
00:39:46,685 --> 00:39:48,418
- How many videos have you done?
420
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:49,652
- 500.
421
00:39:49,654 --> 00:39:51,087
- 500?
- Yes.
422
00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:54,023
- When you do a video, you
have to upload it yourself?
423
00:39:54,025 --> 00:39:55,725
- Mmhmm.
424
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:58,595
- When we start with the film,
i give it to my dirty hobby.
425
00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:00,897
- Okay.
- I can give the go,
426
00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:03,767
and then it's go online.
427
00:40:03,769 --> 00:40:05,068
- But they control it.
428
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:07,470
- They control it, yes, really.
429
00:40:07,472 --> 00:40:11,775
But the marketing for
these clips, it's our.
430
00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:15,111
- Is it inconvenient to
ask you how many percent
431
00:40:15,113 --> 00:40:16,913
they take from your,
432
00:40:18,449 --> 00:40:19,883
from your income?
433
00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:22,452
- 78--
- 78%.
434
00:40:23,654 --> 00:40:24,988
- 78?
435
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:26,489
- And--
- we get
436
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,125
22%.
437
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:31,194
- 22%.
438
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:36,933
And then we must pay tax and
other things from this 22%.
439
00:40:36,935 --> 00:40:38,201
It's not much.
440
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:43,540
In my next life, I'm
owner of a good website.
441
00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:46,109
Yeah.
442
00:41:13,037 --> 00:41:16,072
- Fabian thylmann may
have had his first successes
443
00:41:16,074 --> 00:41:21,044
in Germany, but he made his
fortune in the American market.
444
00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:24,047
And it's also there that
he extended his monopoly
445
00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:26,249
over the entire industry.
446
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:35,692
- I was under contract
with a studio called
447
00:41:35,694 --> 00:41:38,194
digital playground from
448
00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:39,496
late 2007 to
449
00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:43,132
the middle of 2013.
450
00:41:44,134 --> 00:41:46,669
And then digital playground was
purchased
451
00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:50,006
by a larger company called
manwin,
452
00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,575
and they have a monopoly on
453
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,212
the production studios in
America.
454
00:41:56,214 --> 00:42:00,149
One of the first things that
i noticed with the new owners
455
00:42:00,151 --> 00:42:04,988
was this complete lack
of respect for the crew.
456
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:09,125
And they put in extremely
long hours sometimes,
457
00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:12,262
like especially in a large
feature, 20 hour days.
458
00:42:13,565 --> 00:42:17,233
I was there at 6:00 am, shoot
all day,
459
00:42:17,235 --> 00:42:21,538
leave set at two o'clock in the
morning,
460
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:25,174
go home, sleep for a couple
hours, come back the next day.
461
00:42:25,176 --> 00:42:28,177
It was a capitalism machine to
462
00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:30,947
the detriment of any other
concerns.
463
00:42:30,949 --> 00:42:33,750
You don't take care of your
people.
464
00:42:33,752 --> 00:42:37,086
Which then, sure enough, they've
repeated
465
00:42:37,088 --> 00:42:40,323
massive firings of the workers,
466
00:42:40,325 --> 00:42:42,058
and that's just it.
467
00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:44,027
Capitalism.
468
00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:44,961
Yay.
469
00:42:46,697 --> 00:42:47,997
- Have you ever met the
board,
470
00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:51,100
someone like Fabian thylmann?
471
00:42:51,102 --> 00:42:53,102
Have you ever met him?
472
00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:55,672
- I met him.
473
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:58,942
I don't necessarily believe
474
00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:03,346
that he ever owned the company,
really.
475
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:09,018
They're just fishy, all right?
476
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:12,188
They're just a fishy, weird
company.
477
00:43:13,791 --> 00:43:17,293
My fleshlight royalties, when
the wire transfers come in,
478
00:43:17,295 --> 00:43:20,697
go through banks in
places like South Africa,
479
00:43:20,699 --> 00:43:23,066
they have offices in Ireland.
480
00:43:23,068 --> 00:43:24,300
It's a bunch of,
481
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:28,037
it's a bunch of men with Greek
last names
482
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,641
and thick Greek accents
claiming to be quebecois.
483
00:43:31,643 --> 00:43:34,611
I just don't believe anything
they say,
484
00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:37,780
having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
485
00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:51,928
- I was investigating a load
of online black markets,
486
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:55,298
digital activism, anonymous,
that kind of culture,
487
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,834
that was mostly what I was
writing about.
488
00:43:57,836 --> 00:43:59,702
And there were rumors, and
actually,
489
00:43:59,704 --> 00:44:02,171
one company did, for all
intents and purposes,
490
00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:05,274
own a complete monopoly on
porn distribution online
491
00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:06,909
and no one really know about it.
492
00:44:06,911 --> 00:44:08,978
They have hundreds of tube
sites.
493
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:11,047
But pornhub was always their
main one.
494
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:13,650
I think it's the one
they focused primarily on
495
00:44:13,652 --> 00:44:16,085
attracting to a female audience
more,
496
00:44:16,087 --> 00:44:19,922
so they took a lot more of
the aggressive, extreme,
497
00:44:19,924 --> 00:44:21,391
horrifying fetishes out of it
498
00:44:21,393 --> 00:44:23,026
and left in all the other ones.
499
00:44:23,028 --> 00:44:27,096
But also using pornhub as an
advertising campaign online,
500
00:44:27,098 --> 00:44:31,267
billboards, Times Square,
everywhere, just kind of
501
00:44:31,269 --> 00:44:33,169
recognizing that it's already
popular,
502
00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,705
but for anyone out there
who may not use pornhub
503
00:44:35,707 --> 00:44:37,840
or know of pornhub as their main
go-to,
504
00:44:37,842 --> 00:44:40,109
just show that it's a legitimate
business,
505
00:44:40,111 --> 00:44:42,178
because of course, if you
can advertise in public,
506
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:43,780
you must be legitimate.
507
00:44:43,782 --> 00:44:46,115
The natural conclusion,
why would anyone think that
508
00:44:46,117 --> 00:44:50,687
an evil company could put a
billboard anywhere in New York?
509
00:44:53,123 --> 00:44:55,291
All you need is hand
510
00:44:55,293 --> 00:44:56,926
ba ba da da da
511
00:44:56,928 --> 00:44:59,128
all you need is hand
512
00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:00,897
ba ba da da da
513
00:45:00,899 --> 00:45:04,300
all you need is hand, hand
514
00:45:04,302 --> 00:45:05,935
hand is all you need
515
00:45:05,937 --> 00:45:08,237
- one more time and go!
516
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,707
All you need is hand
517
00:45:10,709 --> 00:45:12,208
ba ba da da da
518
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:14,477
all you need is hand
519
00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:16,112
ba ba da da da
520
00:45:16,114 --> 00:45:20,116
all you need is hand, hand
521
00:45:20,118 --> 00:45:23,486
hand is all you need
522
00:45:30,194 --> 00:45:31,861
- the bigger they
become,
523
00:45:31,863 --> 00:45:34,731
the more they can get away with.
524
00:45:34,733 --> 00:45:38,801
This is how our suffering
became part of pop culture,
525
00:45:38,803 --> 00:45:43,072
with a little bit of
cynicism, and a lot of lube.
526
00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:48,177
Worst of all, everyone is
lapping it up, or seems to be.
527
00:45:48,179 --> 00:45:50,947
It seems that asking too many
questions
528
00:45:50,949 --> 00:45:52,815
would kill the excitement of it
all.
529
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,819
- Why would anyone pay
530
00:45:56,821 --> 00:45:59,088
if you gave them something for
free?
531
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,258
Why would people choose
to do the moral thing?
532
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:05,161
I don't think people in their
nature
533
00:46:05,163 --> 00:46:06,996
are altruistic all the time,
534
00:46:06,998 --> 00:46:08,397
especially when it's something
that has
535
00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:11,033
the connotation of shame and
secrecy.
536
00:46:11,035 --> 00:46:13,770
And we're not really
comfortable with our erotica
537
00:46:13,772 --> 00:46:16,172
and our pornography in general.
538
00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:18,374
It's easy, it's available.
539
00:46:28,118 --> 00:46:30,787
- A lot of people don't even
realize
540
00:46:30,789 --> 00:46:33,022
the videos that they're
watching on those sites
541
00:46:33,024 --> 00:46:35,458
are probably not there
with the permission of
542
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:38,995
the studio that produced it,
or the performers or anything.
543
00:46:38,997 --> 00:46:41,197
People just kind of disregard
it, like,
544
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:41,197
"oh those are porn people,
545
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,433
"who cares if they're getting
ripped off?"
546
00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:47,336
People just don't have much
sympathy for
547
00:46:47,338 --> 00:46:49,839
porn performers or studios.
548
00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:54,477
You know, in the 80s, you
had the meese commission
549
00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:58,281
and you had anti-porn
people, like Andrea dworkin,
550
00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:02,819
who were determined to put
an end to all pornography.
551
00:47:04,555 --> 00:47:09,025
And those people sought to
really destroy
552
00:47:09,027 --> 00:47:11,160
the adult entertainment
industry.
553
00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:14,330
And they were unsuccessful in
doing that.
554
00:47:14,332 --> 00:47:17,133
But then you have a
company that comes along,
555
00:47:17,135 --> 00:47:21,003
owning these tube sites,
who's done more damage
556
00:47:21,005 --> 00:47:24,173
to the adult industry than any
politician
557
00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:27,844
or anti-porn person could
have ever dreamed of doing.
558
00:47:27,846 --> 00:47:31,214
And instead of circling
the wagons and putting up
559
00:47:31,216 --> 00:47:35,585
a unified front against
them, we've invited them in.
560
00:47:35,587 --> 00:47:39,589
So, just so many people, in my
opinion, have just sold out.
561
00:47:39,591 --> 00:47:42,191
They said, "well, I'll
just take the money."
562
00:47:42,193 --> 00:47:46,229
And ethics, money talks and
ethics walks.
563
00:47:46,231 --> 00:47:50,533
And it's very disheartening
to some extent.
564
00:50:01,098 --> 00:50:03,199
- Since the
beginning of the crisis,
565
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:06,435
the porn industry has been
facing a sharp increase
566
00:50:06,437 --> 00:50:09,538
in sexually transmitted
diseases.
567
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,108
Because they fear losing out on
work,
568
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:16,345
some actors falsify their
medical tests.
569
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:20,683
In 2012, a syphilis epidemic
affected the whole industry.
570
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,688
Ironically, during that same
year,
571
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:30,026
manwin financed a large
campaign against measure b,
572
00:50:30,028 --> 00:50:32,328
a law that would make the use of
condoms
573
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:34,697
during filming obligatory.
574
00:50:35,565 --> 00:50:37,233
- Hi, I'm Tara Patrick.
575
00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:39,168
- And I'm Ron Jeremy.
576
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:42,071
- A mandatory condom law will
not
577
00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,440
make our work place any safer.
578
00:50:44,442 --> 00:50:48,644
But it will drive our $20
billion dollar industry
579
00:50:48,646 --> 00:50:51,614
and 10,000 jobs out of la
county.
580
00:50:53,116 --> 00:50:55,718
- Vote no on measure b.
581
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,621
And keep the adult business in
California.
582
00:52:13,897 --> 00:52:15,164
- Sorry, you need some drink,
583
00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:17,800
otherwise this will never work.
584
00:52:19,769 --> 00:52:24,306
Ladies and gentlemen, I am very
honored to be here tonight.
585
00:52:25,308 --> 00:52:28,744
Obviously, we have to find a way
to stop
586
00:52:30,814 --> 00:52:33,649
harmful acts against
people in the industry,
587
00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:36,252
which goes for both women and
men.
588
00:52:36,254 --> 00:52:39,622
For me, this was very
important in many, many ways,
589
00:52:39,624 --> 00:52:43,359
because I knew the way I ran the
business.
590
00:52:44,261 --> 00:52:46,529
I, in my opinion at least,
591
00:52:46,531 --> 00:52:49,431
protected everyone as much as i
could.
592
00:52:49,433 --> 00:52:50,633
So I do prefer
593
00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:53,769
people coming to my websites
than going to others,
594
00:52:53,771 --> 00:52:55,671
which are much more,
595
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:02,411
more underground so to speak,
and do not control so much.
596
00:53:02,413 --> 00:53:03,479
Thank you.
597
00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:21,197
- Success proved to be
fleeting.
598
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,232
Game over for the king of porn.
599
00:53:51,261 --> 00:53:55,598
At least with Fabian thylmann,
we had a name and a face.
600
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,933
But since manwin became
mindgeek,
601
00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,769
the picture is far less clear.
602
00:54:08,812 --> 00:54:12,248
But who's behind this company?
603
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:12,982
- It's not clear.
604
00:54:12,984 --> 00:54:15,317
I mean we know at the beginning,
605
00:54:15,319 --> 00:54:17,686
the original company was called
mansef,
606
00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:22,324
and that was Stefan manos
and yuissem youssef,
607
00:54:22,326 --> 00:54:24,360
which was the man and the sef.
608
00:54:24,362 --> 00:54:28,664
And those were allegedly
the original founders.
609
00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:33,035
And then, after a while, they
changed their name to manwin.
610
00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:36,939
And at that point, they
would not say whether or not
611
00:54:36,941 --> 00:54:40,309
the original owners were
still involved or not.
612
00:54:40,311 --> 00:54:42,311
They said, "well it's
under new ownership",
613
00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:43,412
but they wouldn't say who it
was.
614
00:54:43,414 --> 00:54:46,448
And that's when Fabian thylmann
became
615
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:47,916
the face of the company.
616
00:54:47,918 --> 00:54:49,385
And even then, people were like,
617
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:51,553
"is he really the owner of the
company
618
00:54:51,555 --> 00:54:53,989
"or is he just kind of
the front man for it?"
619
00:54:53,991 --> 00:54:56,058
It was still very unclear.
620
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:59,628
And then a few years ago, they
rebranded their name again
621
00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:02,765
to mindgeek, and they still
won't say whether or not
622
00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:04,867
the original owners are
involved.
623
00:55:04,869 --> 00:55:07,469
With other adult studios,
you pretty much know
624
00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:09,338
who owns the company.
625
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:12,441
But with these guys, nobody
really knows
626
00:55:12,443 --> 00:55:14,777
who's behind
everything.
627
00:55:14,779 --> 00:55:17,479
It's very kind of mysterious.
628
00:55:21,318 --> 00:55:23,986
- On the paper, Mr. thylmann
was the owner and ceo,
629
00:55:23,988 --> 00:55:25,688
he was running the show.
630
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:29,625
Now, obviously, there
are other dependencies.
631
00:55:29,627 --> 00:55:31,460
There are people that gave him
the money,
632
00:55:31,462 --> 00:55:33,729
people that we don't know.
633
00:55:34,864 --> 00:55:38,400
Then also what is weird is Mr.
thylmann
634
00:55:38,402 --> 00:55:39,802
was sitting in Brussels,
635
00:55:39,804 --> 00:55:43,005
but the main headquarters
with the most employees
636
00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:46,608
and still the same thing today,
637
00:55:46,610 --> 00:55:50,446
mindgeek is actually residing
in Montreal in Canada.
638
00:55:50,448 --> 00:55:53,782
Now from Brussels to Canada
is quite a distance, yeah?
639
00:55:53,784 --> 00:55:57,986
So and, I'm very certain that
other managers in Canada,
640
00:55:57,988 --> 00:56:01,390
the same that bought manwin
and renamed it mindgeek
641
00:56:01,392 --> 00:56:04,793
that they were very influential
also in the days back then.
642
00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:08,597
To me, it's like, of course, the
Canadians
643
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,100
manage the show in that moment,
you know?
644
00:56:18,041 --> 00:56:20,476
During the course of our
investigation,
645
00:56:20,478 --> 00:56:24,813
we pulled up some trade
register records in Cyprus.
646
00:56:25,982 --> 00:56:29,017
And there was a remark on a
charge.
647
00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:32,721
And that was giving the number
of
648
00:56:32,723 --> 00:56:35,624
$362 million us dollars,
649
00:56:35,626 --> 00:56:38,927
I think was the number
that they gave there,
650
00:56:38,929 --> 00:56:43,031
so I assume that this was
sort of the amount that he got
651
00:56:43,033 --> 00:56:46,034
to buy companies, other
companies.
652
00:56:46,036 --> 00:56:49,972
- And where does this money come
from?
653
00:56:49,974 --> 00:56:50,973
- Well, it's tough to say.
654
00:56:50,975 --> 00:56:52,574
We tried to follow the money.
655
00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,410
In the end we found
656
00:56:55,712 --> 00:56:58,614
two guys that were former
Goldman sachs bankers
657
00:56:58,616 --> 00:57:00,883
in New York, wall street,
658
00:57:00,885 --> 00:57:02,785
who are now working on their own
ticket.
659
00:57:02,787 --> 00:57:03,752
And,
660
00:57:04,888 --> 00:57:07,689
they were deeply involved with
the,
661
00:57:07,691 --> 00:57:09,925
the moving of the money to Mr.
thylmann.
662
00:57:09,927 --> 00:57:13,695
But, obviously, at some point,
people are not telling you
663
00:57:13,697 --> 00:57:16,031
where the money is coming from
anymore.
664
00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:29,912
- Two journalists, two German
journalists from die welt,
665
00:57:29,914 --> 00:57:33,816
they say that some of
the money from the loan
666
00:57:33,818 --> 00:57:36,852
came from wall street,
which is right here.
667
00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:37,953
- Yes.
668
00:57:37,955 --> 00:57:40,522
- And from a hedge fund, but, i
mean,
669
00:57:40,524 --> 00:57:43,892
no hedge fund never, ever
invests money in porn.
670
00:57:43,894 --> 00:57:45,894
- Oh yeah, you would never, i
mean,
671
00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:48,897
for the longest time, the only
people who would finance porn
672
00:57:48,899 --> 00:57:51,800
back in the early days was like,
the mob.
673
00:57:51,802 --> 00:57:55,571
You weren't getting a loan
from the bank to shoot
674
00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:58,907
the next deep throat,
that wasn't gonna happen.
675
00:57:58,909 --> 00:58:02,244
So, it's still that way to some
extent.
676
00:58:02,246 --> 00:58:06,081
You see, to this day, performers
get their bank accounts
677
00:58:06,083 --> 00:58:07,916
shut off from different banks,
678
00:58:07,918 --> 00:58:10,185
so there's still that kind of
stigma.
679
00:58:10,187 --> 00:58:11,954
So I can't imagine,
680
00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:15,090
Goldman sachs saying,
681
00:58:15,092 --> 00:58:17,860
"here, take a bunch of
money to shoot porn."
682
00:58:17,862 --> 00:58:19,228
So I mean, it's,
683
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:23,599
it's mind-boggling, it's just
crazy,
684
00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:27,002
would they really get money
from a hedge fund for that,
685
00:58:27,004 --> 00:58:28,971
or was there something else
involved?
686
00:58:28,973 --> 00:58:29,905
It's just,
687
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:34,042
it's hard to wrap your mind
around.
688
00:58:45,221 --> 00:58:48,790
- Advertising
campaigns, wall street money,
689
00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:51,226
swanky offices in Canada,
690
00:58:51,228 --> 00:58:55,998
you could almost forget that
their business is pornography.
691
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,867
But if mindgeek seems so
respectable,
692
00:58:58,869 --> 00:59:02,704
why then do so many people in
the business fear it so much?
693
00:59:02,706 --> 00:59:05,173
- My experience was
mostly a wall of silence.
694
00:59:05,175 --> 00:59:08,043
I probably could have spent
weeks
695
00:59:08,045 --> 00:59:11,146
calling hundreds of more
producers and performers and
696
00:59:11,148 --> 00:59:13,181
there were people who
just didn't even know
697
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:14,783
what mindgeek or manwin was,
698
00:59:14,785 --> 00:59:16,652
and the ones who'd been around
for a while
699
00:59:16,654 --> 00:59:19,821
were much more hesitant to talk
openly.
700
00:59:19,823 --> 00:59:22,024
And as more publications came
out,
701
00:59:22,026 --> 00:59:26,061
you began to realize that
many actors and producers
702
00:59:26,063 --> 00:59:29,031
that went out publicly
to talk against mindgeek
703
00:59:29,033 --> 00:59:31,233
said that they were
blacklisted as a result,
704
00:59:31,235 --> 00:59:33,802
that they were blacklisted
in the industry,
705
00:59:33,804 --> 00:59:36,805
couldn't perform, couldn't get
any deals.
706
00:59:36,807 --> 00:59:38,974
There was intimidation.
707
00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:42,044
You can look on several
publications online where
708
00:59:42,046 --> 00:59:45,347
porn stars have talked
openly about being threatened
709
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:47,783
through legal documents or
warnings,
710
00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:49,918
and many who have been
outright blacklisted,
711
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,721
who don't work anymore and
who had to create their own
712
00:59:52,723 --> 00:59:55,924
independent brand, and
very small boutique site,
713
00:59:55,926 --> 00:59:57,893
that they hoped people would
come to.
714
00:59:57,895 --> 01:00:02,264
But as we know, 95 plus
percent of porn viewers online
715
01:00:02,266 --> 01:00:03,799
go to tube sites.
716
01:00:03,801 --> 01:00:05,334
So the majority of the porn
audience,
717
01:00:05,336 --> 01:00:07,002
if you want to get their
attention,
718
01:00:07,004 --> 01:00:10,305
you have to work with
mindgeek to some degree.
719
01:00:10,307 --> 01:00:12,941
So, it had this kind of
720
01:00:12,943 --> 01:00:16,278
cartel, mafia feel to it
more than a business model.
721
01:00:19,049 --> 01:00:20,682
- The more I dig,
722
01:00:20,684 --> 01:00:24,653
the more complicated
it all seems to become.
723
01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:29,024
The American authorities
seem strangely uninterested.
724
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:34,663
The only investigation dates
back to 2009 in Atlanta.
725
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:39,735
Maybe there, I will find some
answers.
726
01:01:51,741 --> 01:01:56,078
- Yeah, I was afraid he was
gonna run into that because,
727
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,115
yeah, everybody will
tell you about mindgeek
728
01:02:00,117 --> 01:02:03,318
until you ask them on the
record.
729
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,420
You know, when they
actually have to say it
730
01:02:05,422 --> 01:02:06,822
in front of a camera,
731
01:02:06,824 --> 01:02:08,890
or say it with a tape recorder
rolling,
732
01:02:08,892 --> 01:02:11,460
then they don't want to
say anything because, yeah,
733
01:02:11,462 --> 01:02:14,429
they depend on mindgeek for
work.
734
01:02:16,232 --> 01:02:18,800
- Mike knows the dirty
secrets
735
01:02:18,802 --> 01:02:21,770
of the American porn industry.
736
01:02:21,772 --> 01:02:24,306
He was one of the first to be
questioned
737
01:02:24,308 --> 01:02:27,309
by the secret services after the
accounts
738
01:02:27,311 --> 01:02:29,745
in Atlanta were seized.
739
01:02:29,747 --> 01:02:34,116
- I got a tip from someone
inside manwin who said,
740
01:02:35,785 --> 01:02:39,321
"look at fortress investment
group."
741
01:02:39,323 --> 01:02:43,325
It turned out that
fortress investment group
742
01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:46,762
bought a small piece of a larger
loan
743
01:02:47,964 --> 01:02:51,099
that was made by cold back
capital.
744
01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:55,403
So cold back capital loaned to
manwin $350 million dollars.
745
01:02:57,106 --> 01:02:59,341
And manwin used that money
746
01:03:00,843 --> 01:03:03,011
to buy the digital playground,
747
01:03:03,013 --> 01:03:05,947
they used that money to buy
babes.Com,
748
01:03:05,949 --> 01:03:08,550
they used that money to buy
redtube.
749
01:03:08,552 --> 01:03:12,087
So you look at all these
purchases they made,
750
01:03:12,089 --> 01:03:14,089
and most of them are failing.
751
01:03:14,091 --> 01:03:18,126
I cannot think of one legal
business
752
01:03:18,128 --> 01:03:21,863
that is making money, that
mindgeek owns.
753
01:03:21,865 --> 01:03:24,466
The important thing to remember
here
754
01:03:24,468 --> 01:03:27,068
is what mindgeek is selling.
755
01:03:28,237 --> 01:03:31,807
They're selling traffic, okay?
756
01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:33,875
And they are selling it
757
01:03:35,311 --> 01:03:37,979
to other mindgeek companies.
758
01:03:39,282 --> 01:03:42,217
And they sell it to
other mindgeek companies,
759
01:03:42,219 --> 01:03:45,120
and they sell it to
other mindgeek companies.
760
01:03:45,122 --> 01:03:47,122
And what is traffic?
761
01:03:47,124 --> 01:03:48,223
It's nothing.
762
01:03:48,225 --> 01:03:50,592
There's no inventory of traffic.
763
01:03:50,594 --> 01:03:54,396
I can't call up a parts supplier
and say,
764
01:03:54,398 --> 01:03:55,864
"hey, I need more traffic,
765
01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:59,835
"so you have to send
me a million widgets."
766
01:03:59,837 --> 01:04:03,371
They can create traffic anytime,
for free.
767
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:09,077
There is no inventory, so
it's very difficult to track.
768
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:13,415
It appears that their primary
industry is not pornography,
769
01:04:14,951 --> 01:04:16,918
but moving money
770
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,423
from country to country
to country to country.
771
01:04:21,425 --> 01:04:25,126
What we call in America money
laundering.
772
01:04:26,362 --> 01:04:28,363
Can I prove that?
773
01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:29,497
No.
774
01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:31,266
That is my opinion.
775
01:04:32,201 --> 01:04:34,269
But it is well-founded.
776
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:39,140
- In the end,
the judicial inquiries
777
01:04:39,142 --> 01:04:43,278
remain in limbo, and some have
been settled out of court.
778
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,881
Even in Atlanta, despite the
allegations
779
01:04:45,883 --> 01:04:49,417
of money laundering, the
only penalty was a fine.
780
01:04:49,419 --> 01:04:52,888
The empire appears to be
untouchable.
781
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:56,191
Has he ever tried to contact
you?
782
01:04:56,193 --> 01:04:58,660
- They have
contacted me many times.
783
01:04:58,662 --> 01:05:02,430
Even Fabian thylmann contacted
me,
784
01:05:02,432 --> 01:05:06,968
and he was going to buy
advertising on mikesouth.Com.
785
01:05:07,603 --> 01:05:11,239
And he offered me a lot of
money.
786
01:05:11,241 --> 01:05:12,641
But I understood
787
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:18,113
it was not really advertising
he was trying to buy,
788
01:05:18,115 --> 01:05:20,415
it was my silence.
789
01:05:20,417 --> 01:05:24,686
In the last three years, i
have had my life threatened
790
01:05:24,688 --> 01:05:26,688
five, maybe six times.
791
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:29,057
- And do you know who
it is?
792
01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:29,925
- No.
793
01:05:29,927 --> 01:05:31,092
- No?
- No.
794
01:05:31,094 --> 01:05:32,961
- It's anonymous.
- They are anonymous.
795
01:05:32,963 --> 01:05:35,030
- Okay.
- And, you know,
796
01:05:36,232 --> 01:05:38,366
if they call me on the telephone
and say,
797
01:05:38,368 --> 01:05:40,168
"I'm going to kill you",
798
01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:42,103
or if they send me an email and
say,
799
01:05:42,105 --> 01:05:44,205
"I'm going to kill you",
800
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:48,176
that doesn't concern me very
much.
801
01:05:48,178 --> 01:05:52,480
But the last time, they
left a box on my front door.
802
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:58,086
It had a toy fire truck
and a fire extinguisher
803
01:05:59,188 --> 01:06:02,390
and a book of matches
and a card that said,
804
01:06:02,392 --> 01:06:05,360
"I'm sorry your house burned
down."
805
01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:07,696
To me, that is a direct threat.
806
01:06:07,698 --> 01:06:10,966
And so I carry a gun wherever i
go.
807
01:06:12,702 --> 01:06:16,371
Honestly, I would hope that i
never have
808
01:06:16,373 --> 01:06:18,606
to draw my gun on someone.
809
01:06:20,343 --> 01:06:22,210
I hope that never happens.
810
01:06:22,212 --> 01:06:25,380
But if it does happen, I will do
it.
811
01:06:40,529 --> 01:06:42,664
- Throughout my
investigation,
812
01:06:42,666 --> 01:06:45,500
I heard some wild rumors.
813
01:06:45,502 --> 01:06:49,237
Mafias across the world
seemed to be implicated,
814
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,041
in south America, the
middle east, eastern Europe,
815
01:06:53,043 --> 01:06:54,242
and even Asia.
816
01:06:55,644 --> 01:06:59,481
I'm not sure if we will ever
get to the bottom of it all.
817
01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:04,586
Ultimately, today's porn
industry is all about
818
01:07:04,588 --> 01:07:08,523
big Internet companies that
generate billions of hits
819
01:07:08,525 --> 01:07:11,326
that have no connection with the
workforce
820
01:07:11,328 --> 01:07:14,295
at the end of the production
line.
821
01:07:23,305 --> 01:07:25,573
Tube sites are not the only
websites
822
01:07:25,575 --> 01:07:28,543
that took advantage of the
Internet.
823
01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:31,446
Another lucrative venture is the
live cam,
824
01:07:31,448 --> 01:07:33,748
a kind of peep show 2.0.
825
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:36,818
It's one of the premium offers
to which the video sites
826
01:07:36,820 --> 01:07:39,354
try to redirect consumers.
827
01:07:39,356 --> 01:07:40,321
- Hello.
828
01:07:41,624 --> 01:07:43,725
- Welcome in my room.
829
01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:46,661
- The girls perform
for consumers for a price,
830
01:07:46,663 --> 01:07:49,831
and the it platforms connect the
two.
831
01:07:49,833 --> 01:07:54,335
Even porn has not escaped
the uber-ization of work.
832
01:08:19,562 --> 01:08:22,430
The market leader is live
Jasmin,
833
01:08:22,432 --> 01:08:24,866
also one of mindgeek's main
customers
834
01:08:24,868 --> 01:08:27,635
in terms of advertising space.
835
01:08:29,538 --> 01:08:33,341
But live Jasmin is more
transparent than mindgeek,
836
01:08:33,343 --> 01:08:37,645
and they agreed to open their
doors to me.
837
01:08:37,647 --> 01:08:41,149
- This is the product
development department.
838
01:08:41,151 --> 01:08:44,619
These are the guys who
are actually working on
839
01:08:44,621 --> 01:08:46,254
the development of live Jasmin
840
01:08:46,256 --> 01:08:48,423
and our live streaming products.
841
01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:51,493
So this is the finance
department here.
842
01:08:51,495 --> 01:08:55,196
Here we have the legal
department, hr,
843
01:08:55,198 --> 01:08:57,799
office management, vr
department.
844
01:08:57,801 --> 01:09:00,835
- How many employees are
working here in Luxembourg?
845
01:09:00,837 --> 01:09:02,770
- Around 200.
846
01:09:02,772 --> 01:09:04,772
200, and most of them,
847
01:09:06,275 --> 01:09:08,543
more than half of them are
developers.
848
01:09:08,545 --> 01:09:11,913
For example, here are the
guys who are developing
849
01:09:11,915 --> 01:09:14,149
the platform for the models.
850
01:09:14,151 --> 01:09:16,684
- It's funny because it doesn't
look like
851
01:09:16,686 --> 01:09:18,586
an adult company at all.
852
01:09:18,588 --> 01:09:19,754
- No, it's not.
853
01:09:19,756 --> 01:09:21,556
It could be a bank
because we have all the,
854
01:09:21,558 --> 01:09:25,226
all the roles and all the
activities and
855
01:09:25,228 --> 01:09:27,729
staff that's needed for a bank.
856
01:09:27,731 --> 01:09:29,931
It's a well-structured big
company
857
01:09:29,933 --> 01:09:33,368
that stands behind this
business.
858
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:37,705
So this why we don't consider
ourselves as adult company
859
01:09:37,707 --> 01:09:39,374
because we are it company.
860
01:09:39,376 --> 01:09:41,843
We are company which is
responsible
861
01:09:41,845 --> 01:09:43,444
for development of the platform.
862
01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:44,946
We give the platform
863
01:09:44,948 --> 01:09:47,348
and we give them to
the members and models,
864
01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:48,883
and they can meet on the
platform.
865
01:09:48,885 --> 01:09:51,352
- In fact, you
never meet the girls?
866
01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:52,554
It's very--
- not really, no.
867
01:09:52,556 --> 01:09:55,423
Physically we don't meet the
girls because
868
01:09:55,425 --> 01:09:57,392
they are the other side of the
world,
869
01:09:57,394 --> 01:09:59,327
and we just give them a
platform.
870
01:09:59,329 --> 01:10:03,498
- How many cam girls
are working for live Jasmin?
871
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:07,202
- Well, that's, that's a
tricky question because
872
01:10:07,204 --> 01:10:10,772
they are, lots of models come
and leave.
873
01:10:10,774 --> 01:10:14,876
I mean, we have registered
around two million models
874
01:10:14,878 --> 01:10:17,745
who are registered for the
website.
875
01:10:17,747 --> 01:10:19,981
But I mean, I would say,
actively,
876
01:10:19,983 --> 01:10:23,218
there are around 50,000
who are active currently
877
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:24,752
on the website, that they have
account
878
01:10:24,754 --> 01:10:26,688
and they come online.
879
01:10:36,465 --> 01:10:40,368
- Far from Luxembourg
and its business districts,
880
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:44,339
thousands of workers
struggle to make a living.
881
01:10:44,341 --> 01:10:45,840
Here in timisoara,
882
01:10:46,842 --> 01:10:49,944
I get the feeling that a
new form of exploitation
883
01:10:49,946 --> 01:10:52,780
of sex workers has developed.
884
01:11:23,312 --> 01:11:25,513
- I'm 25.
885
01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:27,882
I was working as a waitress
886
01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:30,418
in restaurants.
887
01:11:32,054 --> 01:11:34,055
It was pretty hard and
888
01:11:35,524 --> 01:11:40,028
I wasn't earning as much
money as I wished to,
889
01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:41,496
because I have plans.
890
01:11:41,498 --> 01:11:43,898
I want to finish university.
891
01:11:45,334 --> 01:11:46,567
And my mother,
892
01:11:47,603 --> 01:11:50,938
it's gone in another country for
work.
893
01:11:51,807 --> 01:11:54,008
So I'm staying alone and,
894
01:11:55,577 --> 01:11:57,845
and I have to pay for all.
895
01:11:59,348 --> 01:12:00,782
So...
896
01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:22,337
- Romanians, we produce 50%
of all incomes in the world.
897
01:12:23,939 --> 01:12:28,076
Half from this industry
is produced by Romanians.
898
01:12:28,078 --> 01:12:31,679
From my opinion, I think
that there are active models,
899
01:12:31,681 --> 01:12:33,014
at least 10,000,
900
01:12:34,516 --> 01:12:35,550
in Romania.
901
01:12:52,935 --> 01:12:55,136
- I'm from arad.
902
01:12:55,138 --> 01:12:57,805
It's near from timisoara.
903
01:12:57,807 --> 01:12:59,941
I have four sisters more
904
01:13:01,443 --> 01:13:03,578
and one little brother.
905
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:07,915
My mother is cooking in a big
restaurant,
906
01:13:07,917 --> 01:13:09,584
and my father, I don't know.
907
01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:13,654
I saw him only one time in my
life.
908
01:13:16,558 --> 01:13:18,793
I think I will do this job
909
01:13:19,995 --> 01:13:21,996
until I reach my goal.
910
01:13:24,032 --> 01:13:27,402
And I open a little business for
me.
911
01:13:28,637 --> 01:13:31,439
And, 'til I have a family.
912
01:13:31,441 --> 01:13:34,442
Guys, if you want, there is
more.
913
01:13:35,144 --> 01:13:36,978
You want a bit more?
914
01:13:39,181 --> 01:13:42,617
- From here, they are not so
wealthy.
915
01:13:44,153 --> 01:13:47,455
They are coming from poor
families.
916
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:51,692
And they are struggling to build
a future.
917
01:13:51,694 --> 01:13:53,594
- My life is like this.
918
01:13:53,596 --> 01:13:55,530
I work, I sleep.
919
01:13:55,532 --> 01:13:56,731
I work, I sleep.
920
01:13:56,733 --> 01:13:59,033
I don't do nothing.
921
01:13:59,035 --> 01:14:01,602
- How many hours
per day do you work?
922
01:14:01,604 --> 01:14:03,104
- Eight, nine, 10.
923
01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:06,073
- Any you told me that
924
01:14:06,075 --> 01:14:08,876
some girls are from Colombia?
925
01:14:08,878 --> 01:14:10,545
- Yeah.
926
01:14:10,547 --> 01:14:14,615
Colombia is the next country
competing with Romania with
927
01:14:14,617 --> 01:14:16,951
numbers of webcam orders.
928
01:14:16,953 --> 01:14:18,152
- Colombia.
929
01:14:18,154 --> 01:14:20,521
- Yeah.
- Why Colombia?
930
01:14:22,158 --> 01:14:26,127
- Because I think they are poor
also.
931
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:27,962
- But, this is this life.
932
01:14:27,964 --> 01:14:31,132
We have to fight for have
something.
933
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:38,873
We can't have all the things
without, make something.
934
01:14:49,585 --> 01:14:53,221
- The platforms take
on average of 60 to 70% share
935
01:14:53,223 --> 01:14:55,056
of what the customers pay.
936
01:14:55,058 --> 01:14:59,660
For a girl working in a studio,
her fees are even halved.
937
01:15:05,701 --> 01:15:07,935
But users always beg for free
shows
938
01:15:07,937 --> 01:15:10,738
and the girls waste their time.
939
01:15:11,807 --> 01:15:15,042
Sometimes the camgirls go
home at the end of the day
940
01:15:15,044 --> 01:15:17,879
having earned no money at all.
941
01:15:27,923 --> 01:15:32,760
- We figured out that every
day, maybe 200 or 300 people
942
01:15:32,762 --> 01:15:35,897
at least visit their chatrooms.
943
01:15:35,899 --> 01:15:36,931
Figure out,
944
01:15:39,234 --> 01:15:42,069
customers that are entering
and said, "you are a bitch",
945
01:15:42,071 --> 01:15:44,639
or said bad things to them.
946
01:15:45,307 --> 01:15:49,710
And also the hardest part
outside here it's that
947
01:15:50,846 --> 01:15:53,548
they renounce their social life.
948
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:55,917
So for my opinion,
949
01:15:55,919 --> 01:15:58,553
it's a job that takes
950
01:15:58,555 --> 01:16:00,755
from one year to five year
maximum.
951
01:16:00,757 --> 01:16:03,324
- How much do
they earn per month?
952
01:16:03,326 --> 01:16:04,559
The average?
953
01:16:04,561 --> 01:16:05,993
- Average, around
954
01:16:08,096 --> 01:16:09,830
$1,400 us dollars.
955
01:16:10,732 --> 01:16:11,732
The average.
956
01:16:21,743 --> 01:16:24,345
- What's the
turnover of live Jasmin?
957
01:16:24,347 --> 01:16:27,748
- It's, I can tell approximate
number,
958
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:31,152
it's around $305 million a year.
959
01:16:31,154 --> 01:16:34,155
We have our incomes growing year
by year.
960
01:16:34,157 --> 01:16:38,125
We can grow, we usually grow our
incomes,
961
01:16:38,127 --> 01:16:41,829
it depends on the year but
more than 10% every year.
962
01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:43,698
Sometimes even more.
963
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:45,666
- And why are you in
Luxembourg?
964
01:16:45,668 --> 01:16:48,703
- Well, there were several
reasons for Luxembourg that
time.
965
01:16:48,705 --> 01:16:50,905
The obvious reason would
be to say that yeah,
966
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,807
it's for the tax reasons but
967
01:16:52,809 --> 01:16:54,208
we are always focusing on having
968
01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:56,077
the best people working with us.
969
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:58,879
The best people, especially in
technology.
970
01:16:58,881 --> 01:16:59,847
And,
971
01:17:01,149 --> 01:17:04,885
in terms of having an attractive
environment for people,
972
01:17:04,887 --> 01:17:08,689
worldwide, I think
Luxembourg is a good place.
973
01:17:08,691 --> 01:17:11,359
I think we are really happy to
be here and
974
01:17:11,361 --> 01:17:13,294
we want to stay here.
975
01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:41,355
- So, smitty, I want you
to remove your clothes
976
01:17:41,357 --> 01:17:43,290
and down on your knees,
977
01:17:43,292 --> 01:17:46,861
that you are positioned in front
of me.
978
01:17:46,863 --> 01:17:49,864
Great, very good, my boy.
979
01:17:49,866 --> 01:17:51,298
You like my boots?
980
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:52,233
Leather.
981
01:17:55,337 --> 01:17:57,271
Clean my dirty soles.
982
01:17:59,775 --> 01:18:01,042
Lick my heels.
983
01:18:02,778 --> 01:18:04,378
Very well.
984
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:08,883
Now, I want you to put the
plastic bag in your hand,
985
01:18:09,951 --> 01:18:12,453
and then around your neck.
986
01:18:12,455 --> 01:18:14,722
Use that tape.
987
01:18:14,724 --> 01:18:16,824
You will have no air.
988
01:18:16,826 --> 01:18:17,792
So do it.
989
01:18:19,194 --> 01:18:23,264
And how I promise you,
i will show you my ass.
990
01:18:31,140 --> 01:18:33,874
- In principle,
it's a private exchange
991
01:18:33,876 --> 01:18:35,876
between consenting adults.
992
01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:39,914
But if problems arise, who is
responsible?
993
01:18:39,916 --> 01:18:40,948
- You see?
994
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:43,217
What do you think about her?
995
01:18:43,219 --> 01:18:44,318
You like it?
996
01:18:45,987 --> 01:18:49,790
She can do very dirty
things in private like
997
01:18:49,792 --> 01:18:52,259
eating poo and drinking pee.
998
01:18:52,261 --> 01:18:56,197
Most of the Chinese girl
are submissive ones.
999
01:18:57,265 --> 01:19:01,335
It's asking just 50
credits for natural squirt,
1000
01:19:03,105 --> 01:19:06,173
including blow job, that's
almost nothing,
1001
01:19:06,175 --> 01:19:07,942
less than one dollar.
1002
01:19:07,944 --> 01:19:11,946
So it's, in my opinion,
selling herself very,
1003
01:19:13,248 --> 01:19:14,281
very cheap.
1004
01:19:15,817 --> 01:19:18,285
- With the arrival
of the sex multinationals,
1005
01:19:18,287 --> 01:19:21,822
what we knew as porn has
given way to a sector subject
1006
01:19:21,824 --> 01:19:25,459
to the same rules of
an ultra-liberal world.
1007
01:19:25,461 --> 01:19:29,230
An unrestrained capitalism,
a scorched-earth policy,
1008
01:19:29,232 --> 01:19:32,133
a complete disregard for
workers.
1009
01:19:32,135 --> 01:19:33,901
When you think about it,
1010
01:19:33,903 --> 01:19:37,371
mindgeek is a little like
the monsanto of porn.
76102
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