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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,614 --> 00:00:17,913 A wedding in Germany Fallingbostel, May 1969 2 00:01:10,603 --> 00:01:16,200 Dear children, even though your stomachs are full, you can stand a little speech. 3 00:01:17,477 --> 00:01:20,571 Thirty years ago, when your mother and I married, 4 00:01:21,514 --> 00:01:26,247 the sky was blue, but dark clouds were already looming on the horizon: 5 00:01:26,820 --> 00:01:28,981 The clouds of World War Two. 6 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:41,390 All of us gathered here today 7 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:45,635 hope with all our hearts that you be spared such suffering. 8 00:02:08,728 --> 00:02:12,858 Clermont-Ferrand: 134,000 residents in the Puy-de-D�me region. 9 00:02:12,858 --> 00:02:18,732 The capital of Auvergne is 240 miles from Paris and 37 miles from Vichy, 10 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:22,599 which was the capital of France from 1940 to 1944. 11 00:02:22,909 --> 00:02:25,537 Gergovie, a nearby Gallic town, used to be 12 00:02:25,537 --> 00:02:29,341 the fortified town of Vercing�torix, conquered by Julius Caesar. 13 00:02:30,049 --> 00:02:33,280 A father tells his children about a more recent defeat. 14 00:02:35,722 --> 00:02:39,180 In 1939, I was 27 years old. 15 00:02:39,180 --> 00:02:43,819 I was the father of a large family, so I hadn't been sent to the front. 16 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:46,464 The front was the Maginot Line. 17 00:02:46,464 --> 00:02:49,262 I'd been sent to Montferrand, near Clermont, 18 00:02:50,303 --> 00:02:54,069 and my wife's dairywoman, Mrs. Michel, 19 00:02:54,741 --> 00:02:57,335 had criticized me for not going to the front. 20 00:02:57,777 --> 00:02:59,677 So after the rout, 21 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:03,540 I told her that there was no point in me going to the front, 22 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:05,550 since the front came to me. 23 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:09,488 Was there anything other than courage in the Resistance? 24 00:03:09,488 --> 00:03:15,027 Of course. But the two emotions I experienced the most frequently 25 00:03:15,395 --> 00:03:18,159 were sorrow and pity. 26 00:03:19,632 --> 00:03:22,897 The Colonel was a French Action man, 27 00:03:22,897 --> 00:03:25,594 the Major was a moderate. 28 00:03:26,139 --> 00:03:28,937 The Captain was all for the diocese, 29 00:03:29,242 --> 00:03:32,040 the Lieutenant couldn't stand the church. 30 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:38,780 THE SORROW AND THE PITY 31 00:03:39,252 --> 00:03:45,623 Chronicle of a French city under the Occupation 32 00:03:46,025 --> 00:03:49,324 All these men made excellent Frenchmen. 33 00:03:49,529 --> 00:03:52,862 Excellent soldiers who march in time. 34 00:03:52,862 --> 00:03:56,093 Thinking that the Republic 35 00:03:56,093 --> 00:03:59,261 is still the best thing going. 36 00:03:59,261 --> 00:04:02,808 Now most of these strapping lads 37 00:04:02,808 --> 00:04:05,968 don't share the same political views. 38 00:04:05,968 --> 00:04:09,775 But they all agree, no matter what their view... 39 00:04:09,775 --> 00:04:12,214 Part 1: THE COLLAPSE 40 00:04:21,027 --> 00:04:25,828 Two brothers, both local farmers, live a few miles from Clermont. 41 00:04:25,828 --> 00:04:29,492 They have many memories of German occupation. 42 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:32,397 Is that your village? 43 00:04:32,397 --> 00:04:34,302 That's where I was born. 44 00:04:34,674 --> 00:04:37,268 I was born near that church there, 45 00:04:38,544 --> 00:04:42,207 and later I lived on the farm facing the school. 46 00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:46,384 You can't help but love your country. 47 00:04:46,384 --> 00:04:48,953 Did you think about it in Buchenwald? 48 00:04:48,953 --> 00:04:50,282 Not much. 49 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:51,989 � You didn't? � No. 50 00:04:52,358 --> 00:04:55,691 � What did you think about? � Surviving. That's it. 51 00:04:55,691 --> 00:04:58,059 That's mainly what I thought about. 52 00:04:58,059 --> 00:05:01,462 But I'm talking about me, about how I saw things. 53 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:04,094 I'm not talking about those who... 54 00:05:04,094 --> 00:05:06,763 There were some people who cried. 55 00:05:07,674 --> 00:05:12,907 When I saw them cry, I knew that they would never make it. 56 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:16,610 No way. You had to think about yourself first. 57 00:05:16,883 --> 00:05:19,010 And think about others after. 58 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:24,183 This politician also has reasons to remember. 59 00:05:26,726 --> 00:05:30,685 For me, it was an experience that I will never forget. 60 00:05:31,397 --> 00:05:36,061 This experience may have had a few secondary effects, 61 00:05:36,669 --> 00:05:40,662 but I don't believe it has affected my attitude or behavior. 62 00:05:40,662 --> 00:05:46,472 Has it not made you feel bitter towards certain French people? 63 00:05:46,472 --> 00:05:48,342 No, I wouldn't say that. 64 00:05:48,342 --> 00:05:54,751 It showed me that there are certain tendencies and habits, 65 00:05:54,751 --> 00:05:58,755 which, when they are fired, fed, or stimulated, 66 00:05:59,058 --> 00:06:04,189 crop up like weeds, and so we must always be on the defense. 67 00:06:04,189 --> 00:06:08,494 We have to protect our youth from this type of propaganda. 68 00:06:08,494 --> 00:06:10,898 We have to talk to them about it 69 00:06:10,898 --> 00:06:15,440 more than we talked about it a generation or two ago. 70 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,944 The manager of the Philips company also has reasons to remember. 71 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:25,574 As I was saying, his friends would ask me why I joined the Resistance. 72 00:06:25,574 --> 00:06:30,384 Why? Because going into a restaurant and seeing Germans at a table, 73 00:06:30,384 --> 00:06:36,725 and being told there's only four steaks left for the Germans and none for us 74 00:06:36,725 --> 00:06:40,230 was a little frustrating, 75 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:43,961 seeing as that steak came from our cows in Auvergne. 76 00:06:43,961 --> 00:06:46,538 So it was our right to eat it before giving it away. 77 00:06:46,538 --> 00:06:48,630 That's my first reason. 78 00:06:49,275 --> 00:06:54,838 My second reason was that the Germans were forever imposing curfews. 79 00:06:54,838 --> 00:06:59,247 It was, after all, a Nazi regime, a totalitarian regime, 80 00:06:59,247 --> 00:07:01,479 no matter how you look at it. 81 00:07:01,788 --> 00:07:03,949 It was worth fighting for, 82 00:07:03,949 --> 00:07:09,187 it was even worth dying for, rather than to live as slaves. Hence, the Resistance. 83 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,490 Lasting peace is what we need. 84 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:16,432 There's nothing dumber than fighting. 85 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:18,637 That's what I think. 86 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:26,411 � Depends on what you're fighting for. � Do you think they really knew? 87 00:07:26,411 --> 00:07:28,571 � They didn't know? � I doubt it. 88 00:07:28,981 --> 00:07:32,075 There are a few fanatics who know why. 89 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:34,480 � Did you know why? � Yes, I did. 90 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,454 � But you weren't a fanatic? � No, but... 91 00:07:37,454 --> 00:07:40,355 But when I went off to war in 1940... 92 00:07:41,494 --> 00:07:46,625 I left in 1939, on September 2, and I was sent to Modane. 93 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,027 What could I have done? 94 00:07:52,238 --> 00:07:56,641 I knew nothing. I was going to kill guys I'd never seen before, 95 00:07:56,641 --> 00:07:58,676 who had never harmed me. 96 00:07:58,878 --> 00:08:04,077 Later, they did harm us when they arrived in France. They messed us up. 97 00:08:12,291 --> 00:08:16,660 Even in moments of calm, the soldiers are ready to fight. 98 00:08:16,660 --> 00:08:21,165 Faced with the enemy, they have the winning qualities of 99 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:23,392 patience, courage, 100 00:08:24,103 --> 00:08:26,594 vigilance, determination, 101 00:08:26,594 --> 00:08:27,967 and confidence. 102 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:35,140 In right-thinking circles, in high society in Paris, 103 00:08:35,481 --> 00:08:38,006 they sympathized with our soldiers, 104 00:08:38,006 --> 00:08:43,419 whose troubles were unfortunately nothing compared to what came later. 105 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:47,923 And consequently, during this period, 106 00:08:47,923 --> 00:08:52,020 people sought to distract them, to entertain them, 107 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:56,591 to relieve them from the boredom of the Maginot Line, 108 00:08:56,591 --> 00:09:01,366 where time passed at a snail's pace. It must've been painfully boring. 109 00:09:01,774 --> 00:09:05,733 So the right-thinking women of the Parisian bourgeoisie 110 00:09:05,733 --> 00:09:11,283 decided to form a committee to entertain our valiant soldiers, 111 00:09:11,684 --> 00:09:15,916 to provide them with a more pleasant view. 112 00:09:15,916 --> 00:09:20,356 The idea was to plant rosebushes on the Maginot Line, 113 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:24,391 to make it look prettier, to create a nicer atmosphere. 114 00:09:24,391 --> 00:09:28,797 And there were people who donated money towards these rosebushes, 115 00:09:28,797 --> 00:09:34,305 so that our soldiers didn't have to look at the horrid, concrete walls, 116 00:09:34,305 --> 00:09:40,744 and to give them a flowery environment in which to live. 117 00:09:41,747 --> 00:09:47,686 It's pathetic when you think about the awful things that came later. 118 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:06,962 The infantry is advancing at great intervals. 119 00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:12,676 In Oisemont, the enemy has set fire to the tanks of an oil factory. 120 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:25,688 It took two weeks in Poland. 121 00:10:25,688 --> 00:10:28,692 We felt it would be just as quick in France, 122 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:31,020 as we were anxious to go home. 123 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:35,063 And, indeed, we took France in just one month. 124 00:10:47,179 --> 00:10:49,875 And onwards it goes. Next stop: Paris. 125 00:10:53,352 --> 00:10:56,844 Naturally, we attacked on several occasions, 126 00:10:56,844 --> 00:11:01,926 but the hardest time was in Oing, on the Belgian border. 127 00:11:01,926 --> 00:11:07,966 The Belgian blockhaus weren't ready, but we had to take position in them. 128 00:11:08,901 --> 00:11:12,769 The Germans arrived equipped with tanks. 129 00:11:12,769 --> 00:11:16,672 All that we had were machine guns. 130 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:22,270 They proceeded to kill everyone inside, 131 00:11:22,270 --> 00:11:27,182 because it made such an easy target. There were no battlements. 132 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:30,454 They hadn't even put up reinforced doors. 133 00:11:30,856 --> 00:11:34,155 I'm telling you, we walked... We withdrew, 134 00:11:34,155 --> 00:11:37,592 and we must have walked at least 20 miles, 135 00:11:37,592 --> 00:11:42,361 without running across any troops. Not one single troop. 136 00:11:43,269 --> 00:11:44,998 Nothing, nothing, nothing. 137 00:11:50,076 --> 00:11:54,570 First of all, I'd like to emphasize the fact that the German staff 138 00:11:54,570 --> 00:12:00,641 was not expecting to achieve such a quick, resounding success. 139 00:12:01,053 --> 00:12:03,146 We soldiers, unlike Hitler, 140 00:12:03,146 --> 00:12:09,592 were convinced that we were facing the same adversary as in 1914-1918, 141 00:12:09,592 --> 00:12:15,156 a determined, brave adversary, prepared to fight to the bitter end. 142 00:12:26,212 --> 00:12:30,239 Unfortunately, I must admit that Hitler was right in this case. 143 00:12:30,516 --> 00:12:34,179 He was always saying how the French were incapable 144 00:12:34,179 --> 00:12:37,881 of repeating their performance in World War I, 145 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:43,058 and he never missed an opportunity to add to this statement 146 00:12:43,058 --> 00:12:48,031 a few disagreeable and derisory remarks or comments 147 00:12:48,031 --> 00:12:51,863 on the general emotional and moral state of France. 148 00:12:59,178 --> 00:13:02,238 GERMAN NEWS 149 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:14,950 Near Noyon, General Stummel, taking the vanguard with his troops, 150 00:13:14,950 --> 00:13:17,153 with his adjutant, took several prisoners. 151 00:13:17,153 --> 00:13:19,356 It began with two. 152 00:13:30,342 --> 00:13:32,776 Later, many others surrendered. 153 00:13:37,082 --> 00:13:41,075 The prisoners come from every nation and every walk of life. 154 00:13:41,453 --> 00:13:43,944 So-called defenders of the great nation. 155 00:13:43,944 --> 00:13:46,353 In fact, a shame for the white race. 156 00:14:03,042 --> 00:14:05,704 These are the Black brothers of the French. 157 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:24,925 In the words of Chamberlain, 158 00:14:24,925 --> 00:14:30,559 �We, together with our allies, are the guardians of civilization.� 159 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,433 �Together we fight medieval barbarism.� 160 00:14:33,433 --> 00:14:36,997 These are the guardians of civilization. 161 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:41,169 These are the barbarians. 162 00:14:52,091 --> 00:14:55,151 This is the war of the Franco-English plutocrats. 163 00:14:55,151 --> 00:15:01,232 They began this war rashly without taking any heed of the consequences, 164 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,492 to fight for the English lords, 165 00:15:04,492 --> 00:15:09,097 not only until the last Frenchman, but until the last French house. 166 00:15:16,815 --> 00:15:19,943 Mrs. Tausend, you stayed in Germany. 167 00:15:19,943 --> 00:15:24,146 Did you read the papers? Did you watch the German news? 168 00:15:31,864 --> 00:15:34,458 Yes, we followed the events closely. 169 00:15:34,458 --> 00:15:37,898 Naturally, we were a bit frightened. 170 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:41,564 But the news of victory made us happy. 171 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:47,774 These cars are stopped for a lack of gas. 172 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:51,240 The Jewish warmongers and Parisian plutocrats, 173 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:56,385 with their suitcases full of gold and precious stones, have fled. 174 00:15:56,385 --> 00:16:00,286 This shortage of gas put a crimp in their plans. 175 00:16:00,726 --> 00:16:03,354 The streets were hopelessly blocked. 176 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:07,632 Yet these English-loving traitors and deserters 177 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:10,994 continued their journey on foot. 178 00:16:19,945 --> 00:16:23,881 These are the French people who have been mercilessly evacuated 179 00:16:24,216 --> 00:16:27,947 and dragged along in the flood of the routed French army. 180 00:16:27,947 --> 00:16:31,819 Soon, these people will be able to go home. 181 00:16:31,819 --> 00:16:35,358 The German people were spared such a trial, 182 00:16:35,627 --> 00:16:39,393 thanks to the F�hrer and his German soldiers. 183 00:16:49,274 --> 00:16:54,109 During that time, there was an enormous upsurge 184 00:16:54,413 --> 00:16:58,281 of the people, who were completely panicked, terrified. 185 00:16:58,951 --> 00:17:01,852 Fate willed that I should be given leave 186 00:17:02,321 --> 00:17:05,085 in the last few days of the month April. 187 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:09,952 Consequently, I was in Paris in early May when the Germans invaded. 188 00:17:10,829 --> 00:17:17,166 On the roads, people were going mad, terrified by the bombings. 189 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:20,329 With them, they brought what they could: 190 00:17:20,329 --> 00:17:23,738 Children, pets, precious objects... 191 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:28,570 Some rode on wagons, others on bicycles. 192 00:17:28,570 --> 00:17:33,708 It was a mish-mash of everything and everyone. It was awful to see. 193 00:17:34,086 --> 00:17:36,554 It was all the more awful in that 194 00:17:36,554 --> 00:17:41,183 the Germans, in an effort to block and ruin the roads for the soldiers 195 00:17:42,194 --> 00:17:46,756 didn't hesitate in bombing these columns of refugees. 196 00:17:46,756 --> 00:17:49,663 As a result, and I can attest to this fact, 197 00:17:50,202 --> 00:17:55,936 that there were bodies strewn all over the place: Men, women, horses. 198 00:17:55,936 --> 00:18:00,101 Car wrecks sprinkled the roads. It was a scene from hell. 199 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:06,107 And yet this wave, this flood of people, continued to move south. 200 00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:16,251 Our impressions? We saw destroyed villages, burned lands... 201 00:18:16,251 --> 00:18:18,329 It did have a certain effect on us. 202 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:22,723 � And the people on the roads? � They were fleeing the bad guys. 203 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:28,839 What do you mean? Weren't you the bad guys? 204 00:18:34,246 --> 00:18:40,742 At first, we were seen as the enemy who was set to destroy the country. 205 00:18:41,186 --> 00:18:44,417 Then they began to see that we just wanted to help. 206 00:18:44,723 --> 00:18:47,191 And that reassured them. 207 00:18:59,438 --> 00:19:03,534 The officers or the staff were clearly out of their depth. 208 00:19:03,534 --> 00:19:09,046 Having the trains, the roads, and all telecommunications cut off 209 00:19:09,046 --> 00:19:11,309 led to a situation in which 210 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:17,084 any plans the soldiers had made were suddenly completely ruined. 211 00:19:18,223 --> 00:19:23,024 In addition, certain military circles 212 00:19:23,428 --> 00:19:27,125 shared the attitude of many civilians, 213 00:19:27,666 --> 00:19:30,601 and tackled the war unenthusiastically. 214 00:19:30,601 --> 00:19:37,266 After all, they were living in... I'm not saying they were traitors. 215 00:19:37,266 --> 00:19:40,038 In any case, there were very few traitors. 216 00:19:40,038 --> 00:19:44,013 But this attitude of preferring Hitler to L�on Blum 217 00:19:44,013 --> 00:19:49,644 was an attitude that had become very popular in bourgeois circles. 218 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:55,650 And this was a circle to which many of the soldiers belonged. 219 00:20:12,678 --> 00:20:14,168 THE GREAT BATTLE OF FRANCE 220 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:19,415 On June 14, 1940, the Germans occupied Paris. 221 00:20:19,985 --> 00:20:22,249 In Clermont, the papers went mad. 222 00:20:22,588 --> 00:20:24,112 Le Moniteur took a stand, 223 00:20:24,112 --> 00:20:28,717 asking the people to stand up and fight, to resist, 224 00:20:28,717 --> 00:20:30,361 to remain free. 225 00:20:30,696 --> 00:20:34,393 The owner of this anti-defeatist paper, Pierre Laval, 226 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,969 a deputy for Auvergne, was, at the same time, preparing for surrender. 227 00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:42,339 The last government of the Third Republic 228 00:20:42,339 --> 00:20:45,068 slowly moved southwards. 229 00:20:45,068 --> 00:20:48,010 Paul Reynaud wanted to keep fighting, 230 00:20:48,010 --> 00:20:50,946 but Philippe P�tain was already taking charge. 231 00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:54,217 In Briare, Winston Churchill and Anthony Eden 232 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:57,013 met with their allies for the last time. 233 00:20:57,013 --> 00:21:01,616 I've always felt that Reynaud wanted to continue, 234 00:21:01,616 --> 00:21:03,854 that he remained calm and firm. 235 00:21:03,854 --> 00:21:07,557 Everyone was in a very difficult position then. 236 00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:12,795 I also believe, and this is something he told both Churchill and me, 237 00:21:12,795 --> 00:21:19,035 that he wasn't very happy having P�tain as a part of his government. 238 00:21:19,611 --> 00:21:24,207 � He'd foreseen the difficulties? � Yes, already in Briare. 239 00:21:24,207 --> 00:21:29,777 Now, I was a young soldier in World War I, 240 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:34,482 and for me, P�tain was the hero of Verdun. 241 00:21:35,227 --> 00:21:40,324 But his character had changed. That's to be expected with age. 242 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,933 I'm sure he was opposed to the idea of your cities being destroyed, 243 00:21:45,203 --> 00:21:47,228 because he spoke of it at dinner, 244 00:21:47,439 --> 00:21:51,205 saying, �It's awful seeing our lovely cities destroyed.� 245 00:21:51,443 --> 00:21:54,071 And I had to answer, �Yes, I understand. 246 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:59,546 �It's hard for an Englishman to say this, but there are worse things 247 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,048 �than the destruction of cities.� 248 00:22:02,048 --> 00:22:04,418 But I don't think he was convinced. 249 00:22:14,866 --> 00:22:17,630 We flew over France at a very low altitude. 250 00:22:18,036 --> 00:22:19,401 � Hedgehopping? � Yes. 251 00:22:19,401 --> 00:22:24,441 In June, there's nothing quite like the Norman and Breton countryside. 252 00:22:25,444 --> 00:22:29,278 And I remember, as if it only happened yesterday, 253 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:34,508 I remember thinking it was lovely, but would I ever see it again? 254 00:22:34,886 --> 00:22:37,047 And it seemed rather unlikely that I would. 255 00:22:38,223 --> 00:22:43,889 Then the political climate changed and became unbearable in Bordeaux. 256 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:47,957 Suddenly, treason was everywhere. 257 00:22:47,957 --> 00:22:50,660 There was a will to surrender, 258 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:55,864 and a desire to get along with the victors at any price. 259 00:22:56,341 --> 00:23:02,109 Anglophobia, ever-present in France, resurfaced with new vigor. 260 00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:06,980 And all this went hand in hand with a horrible kind of cynicism. 261 00:23:07,686 --> 00:23:13,886 The military leaders, the ones who had messed up, weren't even mentioned. 262 00:23:14,292 --> 00:23:18,854 Instead, people blamed absolutely everything on L�on Blum, 263 00:23:18,854 --> 00:23:21,931 the Front Populaire and so forth. 264 00:23:21,931 --> 00:23:28,336 And so we consoled ourselves for the downfall of our nation 265 00:23:28,336 --> 00:23:33,672 by getting petty revenge in matters of internal affairs, 266 00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:37,643 a trend which, as you know, continued long afterwards. 267 00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:42,979 On June 16, the government met in Bordeaux. 268 00:23:42,979 --> 00:23:48,390 Paul Reynaud was defeated by the deputies who refused to leave France 269 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:50,685 and P�tain became the head of government. 270 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:03,506 Adolf Hitler's elite S.S. Troops have invaded Vichy. 271 00:24:20,358 --> 00:24:22,485 I felt terribly humiliated, 272 00:24:22,485 --> 00:24:27,496 as I had been sent on a mission on an English motorcycle 273 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:32,793 and was heading to Paris, when I saw the Germans going the other way. 274 00:24:33,004 --> 00:24:35,370 Now, being rather absent-minded, 275 00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:39,733 I saw there were some people following these German troops, 276 00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:42,579 and assumed it was the English. 277 00:24:42,579 --> 00:24:47,344 So they were going one way, and I was going the other. 278 00:24:47,552 --> 00:24:50,146 I saw the swastikas on their helmets, 279 00:24:50,422 --> 00:24:52,822 and I thought I should go no further. 280 00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:05,866 But no one asked me to stop. 281 00:25:05,866 --> 00:25:09,532 Everyone was too busy going their own way. 282 00:25:09,774 --> 00:25:11,401 If I didn't like it, tough. 283 00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:17,674 The Resistance in Clermont was quickly crushed. 284 00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:22,349 But the struggle, albeit subdued, continued. 285 00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:26,851 Hitler's S.S. Division conquered Clermont-Ferrand. 286 00:25:27,058 --> 00:25:30,186 German troops occupied the city for three days. 287 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:34,795 Zepp Dietrich, division commander, declared victory on Jaude Square, 288 00:25:34,795 --> 00:25:38,597 as his troops polished their boots in front of the locals, 289 00:25:39,004 --> 00:25:41,939 before heading off to new victories. 290 00:25:41,939 --> 00:25:46,272 The Germans didn't return to Clermont until November 1942. 291 00:25:46,272 --> 00:25:50,109 Our aim now is to take the arms depot in Etienne. 292 00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:55,518 An entire infantry regiment has simply surrendered. 293 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,850 At first, I did the same as everyone. I hadn't understood. 294 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:02,450 On the morning of June 24, 295 00:26:03,094 --> 00:26:08,623 the lieutenant declared that Marshal P�tain had requested an armistice. 296 00:26:09,034 --> 00:26:13,937 I knew what he meant by armistice, but I wasn't sure about �Marshal.� 297 00:26:14,506 --> 00:26:19,068 I was never particularly in favor of P�tain's regime. 298 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:24,038 Nonetheless, like the other 40,000,000 Frenchmen 299 00:26:24,038 --> 00:26:26,743 who experienced that same moment, 300 00:26:27,652 --> 00:26:32,612 when I saw the rout, when I saw that the Germans were in Biarritz, 301 00:26:32,857 --> 00:26:36,554 and that France had been completely invaded, 302 00:26:36,861 --> 00:26:39,193 I thought, like everyone else, 303 00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:42,558 �Will anyone be able to end this massacre?� 304 00:26:42,558 --> 00:26:48,229 People of France, as requested by the President of the Republic, 305 00:26:48,229 --> 00:26:54,279 I shall henceforth be the leader of the French government. 306 00:26:54,946 --> 00:26:58,347 Convinced of the affection of our admirable army, 307 00:26:58,717 --> 00:27:03,245 whose heroism stands as testimony to our long military tradition 308 00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:07,551 as they fight an enemy which outnumbers them, 309 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:10,484 convinced that our army's resistance 310 00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:14,227 has fulfilled our duty towards our allies, 311 00:27:14,766 --> 00:27:19,794 convinced of the support pledged by the former soldiers I led, 312 00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:22,631 convinced of the French people's faith in me, 313 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:26,277 I give France the gift of myself, 314 00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:28,713 to ease its troubles. 315 00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:34,041 In these difficult times, I think of the poor refugees, 316 00:27:34,041 --> 00:27:38,213 who, in the depths of despair, trudge across our roads. 317 00:27:38,213 --> 00:27:42,089 I extend my compassion and concern for them. 318 00:27:42,089 --> 00:27:47,756 My heart is heavy as I tell you today that the fight must end. 319 00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:51,426 Last night, I spoke with our adversary 320 00:27:51,426 --> 00:27:56,439 and asked if they were prepared to help me, between soldiers, 321 00:27:56,741 --> 00:27:59,209 after the fight, with honor intact, 322 00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:03,274 to find a way to end the hostilities. 323 00:28:05,116 --> 00:28:08,950 From the F�hrer headquarters a historical piece of news: 324 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:13,180 The prime minister of the new French government, P�tain 325 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:16,351 has declared, in a broadcast to the French people, 326 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,789 that France should lay down its arms. 327 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,811 Of course, I was happy to hear we'd won. 328 00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:17,117 The defeat gave me the same feeling I would get when I played rugby. 329 00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:22,590 I don't like losing, especially when it's 60 to 0. 330 00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:24,523 I hate drawn-out defeats. 331 00:29:25,196 --> 00:29:27,289 This stone is a reminder 332 00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:31,459 of the humiliation of Germany on November 11, 1918. 333 00:29:36,207 --> 00:29:38,141 Is it true 334 00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:43,177 that France had given England its word of honor 335 00:29:43,815 --> 00:29:46,784 that it wouldn't agree to a separate truce? 336 00:29:48,887 --> 00:29:52,550 I think we... That was before I was a member of government. 337 00:29:53,224 --> 00:29:55,624 I think we had reached an agreement 338 00:29:56,761 --> 00:29:59,787 whereby neither party would cease fighting. 339 00:29:59,787 --> 00:30:02,696 � Without the other party's consent. � Right. 340 00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:05,630 But we didn't discuss that at all 341 00:30:05,837 --> 00:30:08,670 when Churchill and I were there, 342 00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:12,900 because we accepted the position France had taken. 343 00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:17,204 � In Briare, he said... � That he'd accept an armistice? 344 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:21,851 No, he said we accepted the fact that you may not be able to go on. 345 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,953 Nothing was said about an armistice. 346 00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:30,460 It's clear that between a ceasefire and an armistice, there's a big difference. 347 00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:31,688 Exactly. 348 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:37,864 He simply said, �We understand that you cannot go on any longer.� 349 00:30:39,304 --> 00:30:40,794 That was clear. 350 00:30:40,794 --> 00:30:44,898 The question was quite simply, �What are you going to do?� 351 00:30:44,898 --> 00:30:50,071 I even sent Churchill a short letter after we returned from Briare, 352 00:30:50,071 --> 00:30:52,149 which has since been published, 353 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:55,413 saying that we must make a clear distinction. 354 00:30:56,054 --> 00:30:59,114 If the French can no longer fight, that's one thing. 355 00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:02,916 But if they make it easy for the enemy, that's another. 356 00:31:04,495 --> 00:31:09,762 La Madeleine. Early today in Paris, the F�hrer made an unexpected visit. 357 00:31:09,762 --> 00:31:13,736 During his tour of Paris, he also visited this building. 358 00:31:39,797 --> 00:31:41,560 Place de la Concorde. 359 00:31:46,638 --> 00:31:48,162 The Arc de Triomphe. 360 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:08,883 Trocad�ro. 361 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:20,137 A look at the Eiffel Tower. 362 00:32:20,471 --> 00:32:22,905 On the F�hrer's left, Professor Speer. 363 00:32:32,717 --> 00:32:34,582 One thing we should remember 364 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,054 is that when France agreed to an armistice, 365 00:32:38,054 --> 00:32:43,252 even though we didn't want to lose, how many Frenchmen said, 366 00:32:43,252 --> 00:32:47,125 �All's well that ends well. So much the better.� 367 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:51,902 As for Marshal P�tain, he knew what he was doing in Vichy. 368 00:32:51,902 --> 00:32:55,733 In every canton and every town, 369 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,634 he formed what was called the French Legion. 370 00:32:58,634 --> 00:33:02,839 � The Legion of Companions. � It was meant for us veterans 371 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:04,642 who'd fought in World War I. 372 00:33:04,642 --> 00:33:08,274 Everyone, except me, went on Sundays. 373 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,784 I'm the only one who never set foot in there. 374 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:13,287 It's true. 375 00:33:14,292 --> 00:33:18,626 They would attend the raising of the colors on the market place 376 00:33:18,626 --> 00:33:23,133 every Sunday, wearing their hammer and sickle. No, not hammer. 377 00:33:23,133 --> 00:33:27,397 I don't mean the hammer and sickle. What was it called again? 378 00:33:27,397 --> 00:33:29,029 � The sword. � Whatever. 379 00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:32,708 They'd all been given a beret. Can you imagine? 380 00:33:33,778 --> 00:33:38,272 Of course, I never set foot there. Not on your life. 381 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:41,583 But when I saw what happened, I understood. 382 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:44,120 So suddenly, this old marshal 383 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,818 suggests an armistice with French honor intact and so forth. 384 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:53,623 As a young Frenchman, do you feel the defeat was justified? 385 00:33:53,623 --> 00:33:55,824 Does it not disgust you? 386 00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:01,936 No, defeat was the inevitable consequence of French politics. 387 00:34:01,936 --> 00:34:06,670 In fact, this was the theme propagated by the Vichy government. 388 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:13,177 If we were defeated, they claimed, 389 00:34:13,177 --> 00:34:17,845 it was because for so many years, we had to put up with party politics, 390 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:21,389 which is the reason France is in this situation today. 391 00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:23,790 How did that phrase go? 392 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:27,658 �The parties which have harmed us so much...� 393 00:34:27,658 --> 00:34:30,323 It was... No, that's not it. 394 00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:33,968 � Something about lies. � The lies that harmed us. 395 00:34:33,968 --> 00:34:37,906 Right. �I hate the lies that have harmed us so much.� 396 00:34:39,377 --> 00:34:44,041 At the same time, there was another appeal launched by de Gaulle, 397 00:34:44,315 --> 00:34:49,150 an appeal which apparently very few people in France heard. 398 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,022 I certainly didn't hear it. 399 00:34:52,323 --> 00:34:55,952 But as a pilot, weren't you slightly tempted to... 400 00:34:55,952 --> 00:35:01,191 I imagine that a certain number of people in the same unit as you 401 00:35:01,191 --> 00:35:04,359 chose to �continue the struggle,� as they said. 402 00:35:04,359 --> 00:35:06,730 There weren't many who did. 403 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:09,273 Let's get it straight. 404 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:15,039 It's true that some people attempted to flee to North Africa. 405 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:18,808 Later, the situation stabilized. Not so many fled. 406 00:35:18,808 --> 00:35:21,077 Did it ever cross your mind to flee? 407 00:35:21,077 --> 00:35:25,246 Of course. But I didn't think about it for long. 408 00:35:26,591 --> 00:35:31,085 My father quickly made me understand 409 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:37,966 that Marshal P�tain guaranteed a new order, renewed honor, etc. 410 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:05,325 The victor of Verdun guaranteed France's honor 411 00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:08,428 and the establishment of a new order. 412 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:13,236 This seemed not only desirable, but necessary, to many Frenchmen. 413 00:36:13,236 --> 00:36:16,670 They respected and had faith in the Marshal. 414 00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:21,336 In Clermont, the spirit of renewal filled Pierre Laval's Le Moniteur. 415 00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:26,406 Editorials sought those responsible for defeat and found them. 416 00:36:26,406 --> 00:36:27,812 �Let's be French. 417 00:36:28,219 --> 00:36:31,450 �Too much foreign influence has led to many problems.� 418 00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:34,081 On June 26, 1940, in the magistrate's court, 419 00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:38,626 Ren� Mons was sentenced to three months in jail for defeatism. 420 00:36:38,626 --> 00:36:39,855 Editorial. 421 00:36:39,855 --> 00:36:45,128 We demand that those responsible be tried and an analysis of our problems ensue. 422 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:50,471 This quickly led to xenophobia, Anglophobia and anti-Semitism. 423 00:36:51,509 --> 00:36:54,342 Gaining French nationality became harder. 424 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,340 Vichy came out with the decree: 425 00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:59,348 �The French elite must be restored.� 426 00:36:59,348 --> 00:37:01,247 On that day, July 29, 1940, 427 00:37:01,452 --> 00:37:05,047 Clermont butcher Antoine Labronne was tried 428 00:37:05,047 --> 00:37:08,647 and given a large fine for having sold rotting ham. 429 00:37:11,862 --> 00:37:16,162 Did you ever speak about what the papers said back then? 430 00:37:16,162 --> 00:37:17,733 � Never. � Never? 431 00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:20,570 We were totally cut off from the world, 432 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:25,267 because there was one value that we all shared, 433 00:37:25,267 --> 00:37:27,172 and that was caution. 434 00:37:27,172 --> 00:37:31,146 We didn't know what the butcher thought, or the milkman, 435 00:37:31,146 --> 00:37:34,740 or the engineer or the intellectual. We had no idea. 436 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:37,912 Like everyone else, we stayed on our guard. 437 00:37:37,912 --> 00:37:41,650 What do you think people's main concern was back then? 438 00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:43,086 Food. 439 00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:47,890 That took up most of your time? 440 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:50,968 Definitely. Animals were illicitly butchered. 441 00:37:50,968 --> 00:37:53,659 One needed a bit of meat to survive. 442 00:37:54,238 --> 00:37:57,696 As you know, the French are very good at cheating. 443 00:37:58,242 --> 00:38:02,178 One had to have a bit more bread than the usual ration, 444 00:38:02,413 --> 00:38:06,372 or a bit more tobacco by smiling nicely at the tobacconist. 445 00:38:06,372 --> 00:38:08,280 A bit more of everything. 446 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:14,480 So every weekend, a regular parade of cyclists would go for supplies. 447 00:38:14,825 --> 00:38:19,922 They had devised a system based on tickets, on ration cards. 448 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:22,065 Personally, I was a smoker, 449 00:38:22,065 --> 00:38:24,690 and it was awful not having cigarettes. 450 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:27,161 It was a horrible situation. 451 00:38:27,161 --> 00:38:30,000 People would do anything, even steal. 452 00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:35,607 I got so desperate that I even rolled artichoke leaves and smoked them. 453 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,714 The children who were born during that time, 454 00:38:39,714 --> 00:38:41,978 between 1942 and 1944, 455 00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:46,755 should have suffered from rickets, and I say this as a doctor. 456 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,683 In our family, it was ironic. 457 00:38:49,683 --> 00:38:52,829 These young ladies have a brother, 458 00:38:52,829 --> 00:38:56,990 who is 27 years old, and was born in 1942. 459 00:38:57,435 --> 00:38:59,300 He's six foot one! 460 00:38:59,637 --> 00:39:04,438 We fed him so much to avoid rickets that he turned into a giant. 461 00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:09,109 He's a great tennis player, an architect, and a giant to boot. 462 00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:14,947 Are you what they call �a bourgeois� in a large provincial town? 463 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:20,055 If being bourgeois means eating properly, hunting in Sologne, 464 00:39:20,324 --> 00:39:23,418 having a hunting ground in Sanscoin and in S�rye, 465 00:39:23,661 --> 00:39:27,119 and a son-in-law who owns Lake Montcini�re, 466 00:39:27,398 --> 00:39:28,797 then I'm a bourgeois. 467 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:33,459 When did you first begin to experience 468 00:39:34,271 --> 00:39:39,231 the consequences of the times, in other words, persecution? 469 00:39:39,477 --> 00:39:42,537 How did you feel about that? Did anything happen? 470 00:39:43,748 --> 00:39:45,113 Not before 1942. 471 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:48,919 The only extraordinary event that occurred 472 00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:52,280 is that before the children were born, 473 00:39:52,923 --> 00:39:54,584 once again, 474 00:39:55,726 --> 00:40:01,790 in September 1942, the hunting season was re-opened. 475 00:40:03,267 --> 00:40:04,495 What an event. 476 00:40:04,495 --> 00:40:06,797 It was important to the hunters. 477 00:40:07,638 --> 00:40:12,632 Game had been untouched for two years so there was an abundance of it. 478 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:17,474 It was a very satisfying experience for those who owned a gun. 479 00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:30,288 In their little nests in the backyard, my little rabbits are so sweet. 480 00:40:30,528 --> 00:40:32,826 Until recently, I hated hutches, 481 00:40:32,826 --> 00:40:36,798 and I despised and insulted our gentle little friends, 482 00:40:37,034 --> 00:40:39,400 now the center of our attention. 483 00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:41,571 Just think, a rabbit! 484 00:40:41,571 --> 00:40:43,640 Firstly, it will delight the cook. 485 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,371 And as its skin dries in the wind, the whole family rejoices. 486 00:40:48,371 --> 00:40:52,209 Follow my example and give rabbit breeding a try. 487 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:58,182 As you can see, I love, you love, we all love rabbits in every form! 488 00:40:58,182 --> 00:41:00,984 In reality, the French 489 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:04,261 aren't normally very involved in politics. 490 00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:09,823 Once in a blue moon, they decide to take action and storm the Bastille, 491 00:41:10,167 --> 00:41:12,727 or to fight religious wars for 50 years, 492 00:41:12,727 --> 00:41:17,968 or to initiate the French Revolution, or to set off to conquer Europe. 493 00:41:18,275 --> 00:41:22,439 But, normally speaking, they're just as peaceable as anyone else. 494 00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:26,045 One thing is for sure: The French, in general, 495 00:41:26,045 --> 00:41:31,213 like a peaceful regime, a regime which has authority, 496 00:41:31,213 --> 00:41:33,880 but is preferably humane. 497 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,757 In any case, they feel the need to be protected. 498 00:41:37,757 --> 00:41:39,919 They're quite paternalistic. 499 00:41:39,919 --> 00:41:42,794 Does this explains P�tain's popularity? 500 00:41:42,794 --> 00:41:47,768 Definitely. I might add that, as a sergeant in the French army, 501 00:41:47,972 --> 00:41:51,931 I've seen a routed army. And it's not a pretty sight. 502 00:41:52,776 --> 00:41:58,737 There's no denying that, for some time, P�tain was extremely popular. 503 00:41:58,737 --> 00:42:03,547 He was viewed as one of the good old guys, perhaps a bit senile, 504 00:42:03,547 --> 00:42:06,178 but after all, he had given himself to France. 505 00:42:06,178 --> 00:42:11,489 That was a clever way of putting it. He gave the gift of himself. 506 00:42:11,695 --> 00:42:15,927 So everyone thought that an old guy like him couldn't do any harm. 507 00:42:15,927 --> 00:42:20,366 He could only help France. At his age, what harm could he do? 508 00:42:20,366 --> 00:42:26,501 These arguments, albeit feeble, were how people justified P�tain. 509 00:42:28,312 --> 00:42:30,075 THE MARSHAL'S VISIT 510 00:44:42,146 --> 00:44:44,774 I missed Mers-el-K�bir. 511 00:44:44,774 --> 00:44:48,283 I only heard about what happened two weeks later. 512 00:44:48,886 --> 00:44:50,979 I never understood Mers-el-K�bir. 513 00:44:50,979 --> 00:44:55,718 Even now, having read many books on the subject of Mers-el-K�bir, 514 00:44:55,718 --> 00:44:57,953 I still don't understand. 515 00:45:00,130 --> 00:45:01,757 It was always a mystery to me. 516 00:45:02,332 --> 00:45:04,800 Mers-el-K�bir was a mystery indeed. 517 00:45:05,035 --> 00:45:10,473 Do you mean you don't understand why the English did what they did? 518 00:45:10,473 --> 00:45:13,509 No, I never really understood the English. 519 00:45:14,945 --> 00:45:19,405 After leaving Churchill, I was a member in the House of Commons, 520 00:45:20,317 --> 00:45:23,047 I went to the House of Commons, got my car, 521 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:27,521 and drove myself through Hyde Park. 522 00:45:28,892 --> 00:45:32,953 In the middle of the park, I saw a group of French sailors, 523 00:45:32,953 --> 00:45:36,429 with their little red pompons on their kepis. 524 00:45:38,535 --> 00:45:44,064 They were running and playing with an equal number of girls, 525 00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:47,740 or �young ladies� rather. 526 00:45:48,645 --> 00:45:51,944 They were running and playing and screaming. 527 00:45:51,944 --> 00:45:56,576 They couldn't understand a word of what the other was saying. 528 00:45:57,254 --> 00:46:00,451 Then a horrible feeling swept over me. 529 00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:04,724 It was sheer luck that I didn't crash the car, 530 00:46:05,362 --> 00:46:10,664 because suddenly I remembered Churchill's ultimatum I'd just read, 531 00:46:11,068 --> 00:46:14,629 and I thought of those French boats in Mers-el-K�bir, 532 00:46:14,629 --> 00:46:16,968 where there were other sailors, 533 00:46:16,968 --> 00:46:21,374 also wearing kepis with little red pompons, 534 00:46:21,374 --> 00:46:25,073 and I wondered what was going to happen to them tomorrow. 535 00:46:37,494 --> 00:46:42,761 These are the victims of the most base and loathsome attack ever. 536 00:46:52,676 --> 00:46:58,706 Clearly, France's former ally only attacks those who cannot fight back. 537 00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:01,711 On the morning of the attack, 538 00:47:01,711 --> 00:47:04,720 Admiral Gensoul received the English ultimatum. 539 00:47:05,122 --> 00:47:09,183 Admiral Somerville proceeded to send several delegations, 540 00:47:09,183 --> 00:47:14,025 in order to explain to Gensoul the options proposed by Churchill: 541 00:47:14,565 --> 00:47:19,002 They could join the Free French, allow themselves to be disarmed, 542 00:47:19,236 --> 00:47:23,468 or head to a neutral port which was out of German reach. 543 00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:26,402 Admiral Gensoul refused all three options, 544 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,546 as he considered them dishonorable solutions. 545 00:47:36,153 --> 00:47:38,951 What we didn't dare to risk happening 546 00:47:39,156 --> 00:47:42,592 was letting the boats fall into enemy hands. 547 00:47:42,592 --> 00:47:45,058 We simply couldn't take the risk. 548 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,406 But wasn't there also a psychological risk? 549 00:47:59,406 --> 00:48:01,408 Yes, a considerable risk. 550 00:48:02,646 --> 00:48:06,047 It allowed the Germans to spread propaganda. 551 00:48:07,284 --> 00:48:10,720 And Vichy, too. Lord knows they used the opportunity. 552 00:48:11,021 --> 00:48:14,184 I think we understood that, but at the time, 553 00:48:14,184 --> 00:48:16,725 we had very little choice in the matter. 554 00:48:18,395 --> 00:48:21,330 There were 1,600 sailors 555 00:48:22,399 --> 00:48:24,526 killed by the British Navy. 556 00:48:24,526 --> 00:48:28,435 The British Navy attempted to take over the French Navy. 557 00:48:28,435 --> 00:48:30,938 That was clear to us at the time. 558 00:48:31,508 --> 00:48:32,736 We thought that... 559 00:48:32,736 --> 00:48:38,746 We believed the armistice would be respected by the Germans. 560 00:48:39,182 --> 00:48:43,915 In France, we thought, as the Vichy government had told us, 561 00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:48,591 that the French Navy would never be given over to the Germans. 562 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:50,655 For us, that was a fact. 563 00:48:50,655 --> 00:48:54,822 I was brought up to believe that promises were kept, 564 00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:59,364 and I just couldn't imagine that there could be political dealings 565 00:48:59,364 --> 00:49:03,769 that would eventually lead to the French Navy being given away. 566 00:49:04,341 --> 00:49:05,968 There was no way. 567 00:49:05,968 --> 00:49:08,611 So we viewed it as a brutal attack. 568 00:49:08,611 --> 00:49:12,545 There was also an additional moral problem, 569 00:49:12,849 --> 00:49:16,080 in that, according to many testimonies, 570 00:49:16,353 --> 00:49:21,086 the sailors whose boats were shelled by the British 571 00:49:21,892 --> 00:49:25,828 believed at that moment they were going to cast off 572 00:49:25,828 --> 00:49:29,124 in order to join the British fleet. 573 00:49:31,535 --> 00:49:33,093 That's terrible. 574 00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:38,506 Had we felt there was any hope of that, we would never have attacked. 575 00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:40,576 But there was no hope. 576 00:49:40,944 --> 00:49:45,347 Everything we said about the Germans 577 00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:49,348 was proved in Bizerta, 578 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:55,022 where the Germans proceeded to give the French admiral 579 00:49:55,292 --> 00:49:57,385 twenty minutes to surrender, 580 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,761 to surrender boats and all, 581 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:05,730 on pain of an immediate bombing attack, 582 00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:09,370 or of being taken prisoner. 583 00:50:11,541 --> 00:50:14,009 Our predictions all came true. 584 00:50:15,212 --> 00:50:17,874 We knew who we were dealing with. 585 00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:31,149 It was then, shortly after these events, 586 00:50:31,149 --> 00:50:36,893 that the French, whose faith in the English had been greatly shaken, 587 00:50:36,893 --> 00:50:41,664 made contact with us for the first time, through General Huntziger 588 00:50:41,664 --> 00:50:44,434 at the Armistice Commission in Wiesbaden, 589 00:50:44,434 --> 00:50:49,103 to discuss the possibility of changing the armistice clauses 590 00:50:49,103 --> 00:50:52,214 to allow military collaboration. 591 00:51:05,996 --> 00:51:09,193 And it was the discussion of such options, 592 00:51:09,193 --> 00:51:14,259 for which each side undoubtedly had its own personal motivations, 593 00:51:14,704 --> 00:51:17,537 that initiated the negotiations, 594 00:51:17,808 --> 00:51:21,073 which are now known as �collaboration.� 595 00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:32,721 While the talks were beginning, 596 00:51:32,956 --> 00:51:37,757 Hitler and P�tain agreed to meet in Montoire. 597 00:51:59,983 --> 00:52:04,044 In our first meeting, Laval told me he was a Germanophile. 598 00:52:04,044 --> 00:52:06,155 And as he had known me for years, 599 00:52:06,423 --> 00:52:10,826 he asked me to put in a good word for him with Hitler. And I did. 600 00:52:14,531 --> 00:52:17,625 I think Hitler felt Laval was sincere, 601 00:52:17,868 --> 00:52:21,360 at least in one aspect: When he spoke of collaboration. 602 00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:26,874 And that was the main issue at the second meeting. 603 00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:36,251 In such cases, the defeated want to know what will become of them. 604 00:52:36,953 --> 00:52:40,184 What will the peace treaty be like? 605 00:52:40,891 --> 00:52:43,485 Whereas the victors I've often seen 606 00:52:43,727 --> 00:52:49,290 generally don't know what's next and cannot answer such questions. 607 00:52:55,438 --> 00:52:57,303 That's how it went in Montoire. 608 00:52:57,574 --> 00:53:00,907 Hitler didn't know how to answer P�tain's questions 609 00:53:00,907 --> 00:53:04,276 about boundaries or the fate of prisoners. 610 00:53:04,681 --> 00:53:07,912 So it ended with everything up in the air. 611 00:53:09,085 --> 00:53:12,350 Ah, Montoire... Now that was quite a story. 612 00:53:12,956 --> 00:53:15,049 Where was this Montoire, anyhow? 613 00:53:15,926 --> 00:53:19,760 Everyone was looking it up in the atlas to see where it was. 614 00:53:19,963 --> 00:53:23,694 When we heard what had transpired, it was depressing. 615 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,101 Some even cried the next day. 616 00:53:26,101 --> 00:53:28,136 � People were crying? � Yes. 617 00:53:28,136 --> 00:53:31,900 Soon afterwards, a new slogan became popular, 618 00:53:32,609 --> 00:53:34,474 �Collaboration is:� 619 00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:38,304 �Give me your watch, I'll give you the time.� 620 00:53:38,682 --> 00:53:40,206 That was the slogan. 621 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:43,212 That was collaboration. 622 00:53:44,421 --> 00:53:47,982 He often said, also in my presence, 623 00:53:48,758 --> 00:53:50,692 that he hadn't yet decided 624 00:53:50,692 --> 00:53:54,787 whether England or France should pay for the war. 625 00:53:54,998 --> 00:53:58,934 On the basis of his �race ideology,� 626 00:53:58,934 --> 00:54:03,597 or whatever you can call this point of view, 627 00:54:03,597 --> 00:54:08,803 many felt much more related to the English than to the French. 628 00:54:09,112 --> 00:54:14,550 I am convinced that France, as Hitler saw it, 629 00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:17,711 could only play a minor role 630 00:54:17,711 --> 00:54:21,757 in a National Socialist Europe. 631 00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:28,692 He had never been in France or anywhere else in Europe. 632 00:54:29,032 --> 00:54:33,765 Whatever knowledge he had was derived from books, 633 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:38,703 which had first been adapted to his point of view. 634 00:54:38,703 --> 00:54:43,973 In his mind, he felt that a decline of the French people 635 00:54:43,973 --> 00:54:53,546 was unavoidable. And this idea was confirmed by the French defeat. 636 00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:07,464 During his travels, Hitler sometimes shared his thoughts with others. 637 00:55:07,937 --> 00:55:10,303 April 5, 1942. Suppertime. 638 00:55:10,607 --> 00:55:15,203 The F�hrer says that if one plans on ignoring the terms of a contract, 639 00:55:15,203 --> 00:55:17,337 no use quibbling over details. 640 00:55:17,337 --> 00:55:21,712 Hence, we must assure ourselves that the French are sincere. 641 00:55:22,018 --> 00:55:27,046 No point in trying to pickpocket an experienced pickpocketer 642 00:55:27,046 --> 00:55:29,057 like the F�hrer himself. 643 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:33,121 In any case, France's main task for the next 50 years 644 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:36,959 is to repair the damage done at Versailles. 645 00:55:36,959 --> 00:55:39,865 April 24, 1942. Suppertime. 646 00:55:39,865 --> 00:55:43,734 The F�hrer says he is against marriages between 647 00:55:43,734 --> 00:55:46,967 the Wehrmacht and foreigners in occupied lands. 648 00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:50,807 Such demands are generally based on sexual frustration, 649 00:55:50,807 --> 00:55:52,811 which is common in troops abroad. 650 00:55:52,811 --> 00:55:58,115 He is struck by the contrast between the photos of the German men, 651 00:55:58,655 --> 00:56:02,216 and those of the women, who are very shabby looking. 652 00:56:02,659 --> 00:56:06,686 The F�hrer feels that such marriages are doomed from the start, 653 00:56:06,963 --> 00:56:10,990 both in terms of individual happiness and racial purity. 654 00:56:11,301 --> 00:56:14,862 He is more in favor of harmless passing fancies, 655 00:56:14,862 --> 00:56:18,303 which are inevitable in this type of situation. 656 00:56:28,885 --> 00:56:33,049 The conditions created by National Socialism 657 00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:36,022 within German structures at that time 658 00:56:36,292 --> 00:56:41,559 made it impossible for us to respect the clauses of the armistice. 659 00:56:44,801 --> 00:56:47,395 We couldn't help what happened, 660 00:56:47,395 --> 00:56:51,633 any more than we could have helped all the other horrible things 661 00:56:51,633 --> 00:56:55,905 which continue to haunt any rational human being. 662 00:56:56,112 --> 00:57:01,709 We couldn't stop Hitler and company from invading Alsace and Lorraine, 663 00:57:01,709 --> 00:57:04,376 making them a part of the Third Reich, 664 00:57:04,376 --> 00:57:10,392 and eventually incorporating their youth into the Wehrmacht. 665 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,897 This was all out of our hands. 666 00:57:14,897 --> 00:57:18,399 We can reproach ourselves until kingdom come, 667 00:57:18,399 --> 00:57:20,867 but there was nothing we could do. 668 00:57:57,607 --> 00:58:02,510 You say that after Russia, you were sent to Alsace, and then France. 669 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,310 Why? Was Alsace not France? 670 00:58:11,688 --> 00:58:17,923 No. For us, it wasn't French territory. The people were pro-German. 671 00:58:17,923 --> 00:58:20,086 I even brought my whole family. 672 00:58:25,568 --> 00:58:28,469 There were some people with bad intentions, 673 00:58:28,469 --> 00:58:31,631 some patriots who were ready to do anything. 674 00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:33,599 But there weren't many. 675 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,577 So I felt like I was in a country of German origin. 676 00:58:44,721 --> 00:58:45,881 And now? 677 00:58:46,089 --> 00:58:48,080 I've never gone back. 678 00:58:49,025 --> 00:58:51,550 No, but what do you think of it now? 679 00:58:51,794 --> 00:58:55,821 I think it's true. I think it belongs to Germany. 680 00:58:56,866 --> 00:59:00,427 Here a show is being put on for the S.S. 681 00:59:00,427 --> 00:59:03,404 Bruno Fritz's amusing ice hockey report. 682 00:59:12,215 --> 00:59:16,618 The German player is taken by surprise and falls down on... 683 00:59:22,692 --> 00:59:24,216 on the ice! 684 00:59:26,229 --> 00:59:29,926 He stands up again. It feels too cold. 685 00:59:45,648 --> 00:59:48,742 Thanks to Franco-German economic collaboration, 686 00:59:49,085 --> 00:59:52,020 100,000 French workers now work in Germany. 687 00:59:52,221 --> 00:59:54,621 Four trains leave the capital weekly 688 00:59:54,621 --> 00:59:57,386 and head for German industrial regions. 689 00:59:57,386 --> 01:00:00,758 Today, at North Station, the war councilor Michel 690 01:00:00,758 --> 01:00:06,062 has come to shake the hand of worker number 110,000: Edouard Lef�bvre. 691 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:10,531 Tell us, Mr. Lef�bvre, were you unemployed? 692 01:00:10,531 --> 01:00:13,234 � That's right. � For how long? 693 01:00:14,243 --> 01:00:15,972 It's been two years now. 694 01:00:16,546 --> 01:00:19,014 � Are you married? � With children. 695 01:00:25,822 --> 01:00:29,519 This vast organization has already had good results: 696 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:33,960 Lower unemployment rates, and understanding between workers. 697 01:00:41,537 --> 01:00:47,032 I'd worked for the Finance Minister and the State Secretary since 1923. 698 01:00:47,032 --> 01:00:51,671 In 1940, Mr. Lansfried requested that I go to Paris, 699 01:00:51,914 --> 01:00:56,681 as head of the military-controlled finance division in occupied France. 700 01:00:57,387 --> 01:01:02,154 He didn't want a National Socialist party member in this position. 701 01:01:05,428 --> 01:01:07,988 Were you not a member of the party? 702 01:01:14,103 --> 01:01:18,005 Yes, shortly before, I had joined the party, 703 01:01:18,474 --> 01:01:21,307 again at the request of Mr. Lansfried. 704 01:01:22,211 --> 01:01:27,672 We tried to be as reasonable as possible, and as fair as possible, 705 01:01:27,672 --> 01:01:31,948 not only in our own interests, but in those of France as well. 706 01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:43,230 This famous democracy, in the past 20 years, 707 01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:46,893 has proved itself incapable of eliminating such poverty. 708 01:01:56,179 --> 01:02:00,172 The Third Reich, however, aims to provide its workers 709 01:02:00,172 --> 01:02:03,946 everywhere in Germany with healthy and beautiful hometowns. 710 01:02:04,387 --> 01:02:08,289 This is a new settlement in a small industrial town, 711 01:02:08,925 --> 01:02:11,723 which naturally has a daycare center, 712 01:02:11,723 --> 01:02:17,128 a clinic, a center for mothers and children and an X-ray lab. 713 01:02:17,128 --> 01:02:20,760 One gets the impression from such reports 714 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:26,672 that German propaganda was quite open in its racial prejudice, 715 01:02:26,672 --> 01:02:30,268 and often implied that German discipline and structure 716 01:02:30,613 --> 01:02:34,572 were necessary qualities to clean up what was considered 717 01:02:34,572 --> 01:02:36,878 to be �the French mess.� 718 01:02:45,962 --> 01:02:49,261 Yes, there is some truth in what you say. 719 01:02:49,465 --> 01:02:54,835 In our offices in Paris, we also had a propaganda department. 720 01:02:54,835 --> 01:02:57,997 But it received orders directly from Berlin. 721 01:03:04,213 --> 01:03:08,650 And I would like to point out that, from the outset of my job... 722 01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:14,723 It was the first ministerial-level visit from the French government, 723 01:03:14,723 --> 01:03:18,089 the Minister of Transport visited in September 1940. 724 01:03:18,361 --> 01:03:21,728 He was accompanied by the owner of a racing stable, 725 01:03:21,728 --> 01:03:25,733 who wanted permission to begin horse racing again, 726 01:03:25,733 --> 01:03:30,828 as it was a very popular national pastime. 727 01:03:39,982 --> 01:03:41,711 The races are ever-popular. 728 01:03:42,185 --> 01:03:45,586 One thing is clear, Paris has become Paris once again. 729 01:03:55,164 --> 01:03:58,895 I listened to my collaborators and said, �Why not?� 730 01:03:58,895 --> 01:04:04,132 And so the races started up again, and continued until 1944. 731 01:04:39,275 --> 01:04:43,575 Thanks to us, the theaters were able to open their doors again. 732 01:04:43,913 --> 01:04:47,212 We often went to the theater, alone or with friends. 733 01:04:47,212 --> 01:04:50,308 The Germans also attended the races, 734 01:04:50,308 --> 01:04:54,787 which is how the different parties made contact quite spontaneously. 735 01:04:55,258 --> 01:04:59,957 Personal relationships developed between the different sides, 736 01:05:00,162 --> 01:05:02,289 probably for various reasons. 737 01:05:06,836 --> 01:05:11,466 I'm sure you're aware there has been a tendency in France since the war 738 01:05:11,674 --> 01:05:14,643 to deny that such contact ever existed. 739 01:05:14,643 --> 01:05:16,608 Yes, but it did exist. 740 01:05:18,981 --> 01:05:23,543 Germany was triumphant, and there wasn't a single front 741 01:05:24,086 --> 01:05:27,385 from which it failed to come home victorious. 742 01:05:27,385 --> 01:05:31,586 There's no denying that the German army made quite an impression 743 01:05:32,061 --> 01:05:34,723 on the youth in France. Seeing that army of young men, 744 01:05:34,723 --> 01:05:37,492 stripped to the waist... 745 01:05:38,234 --> 01:05:43,831 After all, I'm the son of a soldier and I was a soldier myself. 746 01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:48,936 A sense of responsibility, hierarchy and discipline mean a lot. 747 01:05:50,046 --> 01:05:54,847 A well-disciplined army was important to people like us. 748 01:05:55,851 --> 01:05:59,810 This was the first time we had seen such an ideal army. 749 01:06:00,022 --> 01:06:03,150 The French army was nothing compared to 750 01:06:04,126 --> 01:06:09,462 this army who could put the fear of God into an entire people. 751 01:06:09,665 --> 01:06:14,068 It sounds awful to say, but it's the truth of the matter. 752 01:06:16,105 --> 01:06:18,164 We solemnly swear 753 01:06:19,775 --> 01:06:21,140 to unite 754 01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:24,940 and to place our forces, 755 01:06:27,550 --> 01:06:28,881 our faith, 756 01:06:29,652 --> 01:06:30,914 our ardor, 757 01:06:31,954 --> 01:06:33,888 at the service of the Marshal, 758 01:06:36,959 --> 01:06:38,859 at the service of France. 759 01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:44,697 This campfire draws a three-day meeting to an end, 760 01:06:44,697 --> 01:06:49,032 during which the discipline and dedication of these young men 761 01:06:49,032 --> 01:06:51,571 were proved once again. 762 01:07:08,124 --> 01:07:12,788 The French believe servicemen should be tough as nails, 763 01:07:13,896 --> 01:07:18,492 and at the end of the day, they always turn to servicemen, 764 01:07:19,135 --> 01:07:23,834 whether it be to restore order, to prevent a coup-d'�tat, 765 01:07:23,834 --> 01:07:26,430 or to organize a coup-d'�tat. 766 01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:29,141 But the serviceman is omnipresent, 767 01:07:29,378 --> 01:07:32,347 with his cap, his pompon, his saber, 768 01:07:32,347 --> 01:07:36,144 no matter what his rank may be. 769 01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:38,481 The French love their army. 770 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,552 Poem by Officer C. Languillon, 771 01:07:47,552 --> 01:07:52,623 published on the front page of Le Moniteur on November 24, 1940. 772 01:07:52,935 --> 01:07:55,267 �His name rings as a gunshot. 773 01:07:55,267 --> 01:07:59,933 �P�tain ready for the challenge? The soul is willing. 774 01:07:59,933 --> 01:08:02,135 �But goodness is ever aloof. 775 01:08:02,344 --> 01:08:05,279 �The great victor, even greater in defeat. 776 01:08:05,279 --> 01:08:08,350 �Schemers, foreigners, buffoons and fools, 777 01:08:08,551 --> 01:08:11,884 �have brought you to your knees, O France. 778 01:08:11,884 --> 01:08:14,854 �The hero of Verdun, cleaning the slate, 779 01:08:14,854 --> 01:08:18,016 �Is setting our house in order from top to bottom. 780 01:08:18,227 --> 01:08:21,924 �A Herculean labor, a difficult recovery. 781 01:08:21,924 --> 01:08:24,726 �From the ruins come muffled groans. 782 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,231 �Former profiteers writhe in the rubble.� 783 01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:41,448 P�tain, in a series of speeches, drew conclusions from this defeat. 784 01:08:41,951 --> 01:08:45,648 And he did so with skill. He could woo his audience. 785 01:08:45,648 --> 01:08:50,191 If one was to read the texts now, I haven't read them in years, 786 01:08:52,061 --> 01:08:56,430 but I bet if you read them now, you would be quite surprised. 787 01:08:56,732 --> 01:09:02,329 Yes, the texts relied heavily on the people's collective unconscious. 788 01:09:02,571 --> 01:09:04,004 Absolutely right. 789 01:09:04,373 --> 01:09:10,005 � He blamed the parliament. � Yes, the parliamentary system... 790 01:09:11,647 --> 01:09:17,017 Certain employers were suspect... foreign... 791 01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:20,717 cosmopolitan, not to mention dark-skinned. 792 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:24,092 And of course, he blamed the Communist Party. 793 01:09:24,426 --> 01:09:27,418 The Communist Party was the cause of all evils. 794 01:09:27,796 --> 01:09:29,991 All hotels were requisitioned, 795 01:09:29,991 --> 01:09:36,834 and the Park Hotel was occupied by Marshal P�tain and his staff. 796 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,272 This is where I met up with my friend, Colonel Gorosse-Tardou, 797 01:09:42,578 --> 01:09:44,341 who lived with P�tain. 798 01:09:44,341 --> 01:09:48,940 He was the chief of staff for his aviation department. 799 01:09:51,887 --> 01:09:55,152 Consequently, I was often at the Park Hotel. 800 01:09:57,593 --> 01:10:01,962 It was always busy, with lots of people milling around. 801 01:10:01,962 --> 01:10:07,728 Everyone kept their voices down and spied on their neighbors. 802 01:10:08,337 --> 01:10:11,329 Personally, I wasn't used to their system, 803 01:10:11,607 --> 01:10:15,134 but when I spoke, I followed everyone's example. 804 01:10:15,134 --> 01:10:18,372 They were forever shushing one another. 805 01:10:19,515 --> 01:10:25,920 � Everyone was very suspicious. � Of the enemy or of one another? 806 01:10:28,657 --> 01:10:30,249 A bit of both. 807 01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:33,494 Are you a Republican? 808 01:10:36,932 --> 01:10:38,024 Not really. 809 01:10:39,602 --> 01:10:40,899 � Not really? � No. 810 01:10:40,899 --> 01:10:42,970 You're more of a Monarchist? 811 01:10:43,339 --> 01:10:44,863 Yes, that's right. 812 01:10:45,341 --> 01:10:47,206 French news. Late 1940. 813 01:10:47,206 --> 01:10:51,006 Pilot-sergeant Gonthier de Basse, veteran of WWI, 814 01:10:51,006 --> 01:10:53,638 volunteer in '39, hurt in Dunkirk, 815 01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:58,250 has, of his own free will, agreed to make the following declaration. 816 01:10:58,250 --> 01:11:03,824 Ever since my return from England aboard The Sphinx on October 5, 817 01:11:04,059 --> 01:11:09,258 I've been surprised by the number of my compatriots who still believe 818 01:11:09,258 --> 01:11:14,132 the wounded in Narvik and Dunkirk were all well-treated by our ex-ally 819 01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:19,234 and this is why I've decided to share my memories with you. 820 01:11:19,908 --> 01:11:22,138 When we arrived in England, 821 01:11:22,411 --> 01:11:26,177 we harbored no grudge against our English comrades. 822 01:11:26,882 --> 01:11:28,713 But after the tragedy in June, 823 01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:32,216 when we were invited to come serve under a new flag, 824 01:11:32,521 --> 01:11:37,049 when they offered to pay us our dues in pounds sterling, 825 01:11:37,259 --> 01:11:40,922 we could only reply with disdain and indignation. 826 01:11:41,163 --> 01:11:44,724 We French soldiers can only serve under our own colors. 827 01:11:44,724 --> 01:11:46,993 Anything else would be treason. 828 01:11:47,469 --> 01:11:49,994 Fellow Frenchmen, comrades, 829 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:55,399 our duty is to stand side by side behind our leader, Marshal P�tain, 830 01:11:55,678 --> 01:11:59,444 to guarantee France a place of honor in a new Europe, 831 01:11:59,444 --> 01:12:03,483 and to allow the prisoners to return home immediately. 832 01:12:03,719 --> 01:12:05,243 It is a difficult task. 833 01:12:05,454 --> 01:12:08,082 Those who try to divide us are enemies. 834 01:12:08,324 --> 01:12:11,122 United we stand, divided we fall. 835 01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:15,255 The idea was to get out of the war, come what may, 836 01:12:15,255 --> 01:12:18,458 as quickly as possible. 837 01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:23,897 There were 15,000 French sailors in Liverpool. 838 01:12:25,307 --> 01:12:27,070 I went and spoke to them. 839 01:12:27,643 --> 01:12:31,010 I tried to persuade them to continue the war. 840 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,209 But there was no way. 841 01:12:33,716 --> 01:12:39,586 We were so low on people that we needed them to dig the trenches, 842 01:12:39,586 --> 01:12:42,657 and we offered them wages to do so. 843 01:12:43,092 --> 01:12:44,320 They said no. 844 01:12:46,795 --> 01:12:50,424 They said, �France is no longer in the war. 845 01:12:52,801 --> 01:12:56,100 �We no longer have the right to dig trenches.� 846 01:12:57,506 --> 01:13:02,205 You see... the kind of attitude they had. 847 01:13:03,812 --> 01:13:09,182 Their desire to get out was almost spiteful. 848 01:13:13,088 --> 01:13:17,684 As for what would become of England, they didn't give a care. 849 01:13:23,932 --> 01:13:26,628 That's the kind of attitude they had. 850 01:13:27,803 --> 01:13:30,067 They felt that it was inconceivable 851 01:13:30,806 --> 01:13:36,210 that the English succeed where the French army had been beaten. 852 01:13:37,513 --> 01:13:40,482 On June 17, 1940, the steam liner Le Massilia 853 01:13:40,482 --> 01:13:43,073 headed from Bordeaux to Morocco. 854 01:13:43,485 --> 01:13:46,147 Several parliamentarians were aboard. 855 01:13:46,455 --> 01:13:48,855 This event caused much ink to flow. 856 01:13:49,124 --> 01:13:54,221 I boarded Le Massilia without suspecting that it was a big trap. 857 01:13:55,764 --> 01:14:00,326 Those who stayed behind in Bordeaux quickly understood 858 01:14:01,336 --> 01:14:06,364 that they could exploit the circumstances, 859 01:14:06,364 --> 01:14:11,707 and influence the public to think that the departure of the boat 860 01:14:12,014 --> 01:14:15,814 and the fact that a number of politicians were aboard, 861 01:14:15,814 --> 01:14:21,082 was a sign we were panicking, running away, abandoning them. 862 01:14:21,082 --> 01:14:23,784 In other words, deserting. 863 01:14:23,784 --> 01:14:29,397 The people aboard Le Massilia who actually wanted to fight 864 01:14:29,665 --> 01:14:34,898 were quickly judged to be cowards who were fleeing the fight. 865 01:14:35,637 --> 01:14:38,299 It was paradoxical that some of us, 866 01:14:38,299 --> 01:14:41,171 including Vi�not, Jean Zay, Wiltzer and I, 867 01:14:41,171 --> 01:14:44,768 were tried for desertion, 868 01:14:45,747 --> 01:14:50,707 when in fact their original plan had been to go fight. 869 01:14:50,707 --> 01:14:55,085 And as far as I was concerned, I was almost obliged to go, 870 01:14:55,085 --> 01:14:59,456 seeing as my unit had gone, and it was my duty to follow them. 871 01:15:00,062 --> 01:15:04,123 Everyone wound up in Rabat. There were tons of people. 872 01:15:07,836 --> 01:15:10,805 Once there, I went to lunch 873 01:15:11,707 --> 01:15:15,734 at �Balima,� Rabat's best restaurant, where everyone met. 874 01:15:15,944 --> 01:15:21,143 One of my cousins, Du Jonchay, a pilot, was there, 875 01:15:21,683 --> 01:15:25,346 and naturally we discussed what had happened. 876 01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:27,615 He showed me Pierre Mend�s-France, 877 01:15:27,615 --> 01:15:33,923 who was sitting at a table with a lovely woman, who was his wife. 878 01:15:35,664 --> 01:15:37,996 My cousin turned to me and said, 879 01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:42,898 �Our State Secretary there is responsible for our defeat.� 880 01:15:42,898 --> 01:15:48,169 There he sat, our little lieutenant, drinking champagne. 881 01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:52,179 That champagne completely infuriated me. 882 01:15:52,179 --> 01:15:54,144 I walked up to him, 883 01:15:54,144 --> 01:15:59,016 and told him this was no attitude to have, after being defeated, 884 01:15:59,016 --> 01:16:03,148 drinking champagne in public as if he was delighted 885 01:16:04,626 --> 01:16:06,526 about what had happened. 886 01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:08,518 Then what? 887 01:16:09,498 --> 01:16:11,659 I told him 888 01:16:12,534 --> 01:16:16,061 if I saw him again, I would kick him out. 889 01:16:17,339 --> 01:16:19,102 And I gave him my card. 890 01:16:21,009 --> 01:16:25,139 � It caused quite a stir. � You were picking a fight. 891 01:16:25,139 --> 01:16:29,183 No, I simply gave him my card to let him know who I was. 892 01:16:29,183 --> 01:16:31,309 Not to hide my identity. 893 01:16:31,309 --> 01:16:33,615 How did he react? 894 01:16:34,122 --> 01:16:39,116 He got up, stood to attention, and said nothing. 895 01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:42,126 I was a captain, he was a lieutenant. 896 01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:44,029 I see. 897 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,727 There was surrender and treason. 898 01:16:46,727 --> 01:16:51,432 But anti-Semitism had also begun to rear its ugly head. 899 01:16:51,432 --> 01:16:56,442 Many who used to hide their feelings openly declared their anti-Semitism 900 01:16:56,442 --> 01:17:01,812 to the point that France began adopting certain German values, 901 01:17:01,812 --> 01:17:05,511 and sought to get closer to Hitler, 902 01:17:05,511 --> 01:17:10,649 in the hope of creating a Europe where France and Germany would collaborate 903 01:17:10,649 --> 01:17:14,557 and obviously anti-Semitism became a common element 904 01:17:14,557 --> 01:17:17,564 between many Germans and Frenchmen. 905 01:17:17,564 --> 01:17:22,899 And, of course, Jean Zay and I had the misfortune of being Jewish. 906 01:17:22,899 --> 01:17:28,204 Actually, I was Jewish. Jean Zay was only partly Jewish. 907 01:17:28,204 --> 01:17:32,803 He had converted, as had his father, but he was of Jewish origin. 908 01:17:34,416 --> 01:17:38,250 This didn't detract from the atrocious campaign against him, 909 01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:41,811 which, as you know, ended in his being killed. 910 01:17:44,426 --> 01:17:48,385 Jean Zay was arrested. His pregnant wife was in Casablanca. 911 01:17:48,597 --> 01:17:52,260 She had a very tough time to find a hospital bed, 912 01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:55,666 or even someone willing to help her give birth. 913 01:17:55,871 --> 01:17:58,362 There was such hatred. 914 01:17:58,362 --> 01:18:03,103 When clinics or hospitals heard that she was Jean Zay's wife, 915 01:18:03,311 --> 01:18:06,439 they didn't have the courage to admit her. 916 01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,814 You can't imagine how rampant sectarianism had become. 917 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:17,087 In any case, Mrs. Zay's pregnancy was certainly a very trying time. 918 01:18:17,087 --> 01:18:22,162 She lived with my wife and they spent many long hours together 919 01:18:22,162 --> 01:18:26,030 during which they were abused and insulted. 920 01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:30,503 My wife also had a very rough time of it. 921 01:18:30,839 --> 01:18:32,397 Anyhow, 922 01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:39,106 Madeleine Zay eventually gave birth to this baby, 923 01:18:39,106 --> 01:18:40,772 whom I had the opportunity to meet, 924 01:18:40,772 --> 01:18:44,409 as I was arrested shortly after the baby's birth. 925 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,417 And when I was transferred to Clermont-Ferrand, 926 01:18:48,417 --> 01:18:53,392 where I met up with Jean Zay, I'd seen his daughter and he hadn't. 927 01:18:54,029 --> 01:18:56,589 JEAN ZAY To Appear In Court Tomorrow 928 01:19:05,807 --> 01:19:09,436 The committing magistrate was Colonel Lepr�tre. 929 01:19:09,644 --> 01:19:14,911 I don't want to name names, but this man's reputation lives on today. 930 01:19:15,150 --> 01:19:21,248 The man was very intelligent, very bright, clever and cunning, 931 01:19:22,224 --> 01:19:25,625 but he had a very perverse side to him, 932 01:19:26,094 --> 01:19:29,154 in that he harbored great hate for the accused, 933 01:19:29,154 --> 01:19:31,892 especially if the accused was left-wing. 934 01:19:32,567 --> 01:19:38,267 He got a certain morbid pleasure from seeing an important man accused. 935 01:19:40,742 --> 01:19:46,476 Even outside of cross-examination, he would sometimes visit the prison, 936 01:19:47,349 --> 01:19:50,682 just to sit and chat with the prisoners. 937 01:19:50,952 --> 01:19:54,149 He would go in their cells, and sit on their beds, 938 01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:57,016 pretending to speak with them simply. 939 01:19:57,016 --> 01:20:01,357 He clearly got a great deal of pleasure out of holding the fates 940 01:20:01,357 --> 01:20:04,762 of such formerly important men in his hands. 941 01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:08,934 There was something very sick, very odd about it. 942 01:20:09,304 --> 01:20:10,362 A strange man. 943 01:20:10,362 --> 01:20:15,705 So he would confess to certain things in moments of relaxation? 944 01:20:15,911 --> 01:20:19,642 One day, he said to me, �I know what you think of me.� 945 01:20:19,642 --> 01:20:23,775 The man was bright enough to understand. Very intelligent. 946 01:20:24,085 --> 01:20:27,077 He said to me, �I know what you think of me, 947 01:20:27,522 --> 01:20:31,856 �but in an organized society, there are certain tasks, 948 01:20:31,856 --> 01:20:37,262 �tasks which must be done, and which require people to do them.� 949 01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:41,369 �Every society needs garbage men.� He chose that word. 950 01:20:41,937 --> 01:20:43,802 Were you able to emphasize 951 01:20:43,802 --> 01:20:49,844 the racial and political background and motives to the trial? 952 01:20:51,413 --> 01:20:55,543 No, our main concern was to obtain satisfying results, 953 01:20:55,543 --> 01:21:01,155 and we knew that these judges wouldn't appreciate such arguments. 954 01:21:01,389 --> 01:21:05,189 Even if we had said that his being Jewish 955 01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:07,284 should have nothing to do with the trial, 956 01:21:07,284 --> 01:21:11,523 we knew perfectly well that it would be a major issue. 957 01:21:11,766 --> 01:21:14,701 The hearing was extremely tense. 958 01:21:15,170 --> 01:21:19,072 It began at 9.00 a.m. With an introduction by Pierre Mend�s-France, 959 01:21:19,274 --> 01:21:22,300 which the Colonel received with obvious contempt. 960 01:21:23,578 --> 01:21:26,513 He had been given a table and a jug of water. 961 01:21:26,781 --> 01:21:29,306 He began with the following introductory statement: 962 01:21:29,306 --> 01:21:34,878 �Colonel and gentlemen, I am Jewish, I am a Freemason, 963 01:21:34,878 --> 01:21:37,856 �but I am not a deserter. May the trial begin.� 964 01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:43,928 The court was presided over by a rather frenzied man, 965 01:21:43,928 --> 01:21:46,091 called Colonel Perret, 966 01:21:47,469 --> 01:21:50,029 a colonel in charge of tanks, 967 01:21:50,972 --> 01:21:54,373 who harbored a particular hatred for General de Gaulle, 968 01:21:56,177 --> 01:22:01,513 because they had served in Saint Cyr together and were both competitive. 969 01:22:02,684 --> 01:22:07,883 He hated anything to do with de Gaulle, Gaullism or Gaullists. 970 01:22:07,883 --> 01:22:11,152 Furthermore, he was a very frenzied character, 971 01:22:12,027 --> 01:22:15,519 who ran the hearings in an atrocious manner. 972 01:22:16,965 --> 01:22:22,130 My sentence was nothing compared to the death sentences he gave out. 973 01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:28,369 He was responsible for executions, which is considerably worse 974 01:22:28,369 --> 01:22:30,671 than the sentence he gave me. 975 01:22:31,246 --> 01:22:37,116 I must say that those present at the hearing were extremely hostile. 976 01:22:37,419 --> 01:22:40,547 The audience had been rigged, no two ways about it. 977 01:22:41,256 --> 01:22:43,554 Women whose faces were filled with hate. 978 01:22:43,554 --> 01:22:45,990 I won't name any names, 979 01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:49,188 but they were hateful people, 980 01:22:49,188 --> 01:22:54,030 people who were hoping for the cruelest of sentences, 981 01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:57,434 who were hoping I'd be killed immediately, 982 01:22:57,434 --> 01:23:01,439 who didn't think I should even be allowed to defend myself. 983 01:23:02,344 --> 01:23:05,939 Some 300 or 400 entry cards had been delivered, 984 01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:08,038 but only six were for the defense. 985 01:23:08,416 --> 01:23:10,976 The cards were quite a story. 986 01:23:11,186 --> 01:23:15,623 As only a limited number existed, and they were in high demand, 987 01:23:15,623 --> 01:23:18,225 a new black market developed. 988 01:23:18,225 --> 01:23:22,456 There were bistros in Clermont that hawked the cards. 989 01:23:23,131 --> 01:23:26,692 Flatteringly enough, they were very expensive, 990 01:23:26,692 --> 01:23:30,464 twenty francs for the show. It cost more than the movies. 991 01:23:30,464 --> 01:23:35,236 There's no denying that public opinion was strongly influenced 992 01:23:35,236 --> 01:23:37,038 by the papers at that time, 993 01:23:37,038 --> 01:23:41,013 which felt that the politicians who were accused 994 01:23:41,013 --> 01:23:43,743 should automatically be declared guilty. 995 01:23:44,285 --> 01:23:48,016 My colonel, my lieutenant-colonel and my general 996 01:23:48,016 --> 01:23:52,321 all took the stand and said, �He didn't desert.� 997 01:23:52,727 --> 01:23:56,527 When the commissioner, whose name I won't give either, 998 01:23:56,965 --> 01:24:00,162 stood up and announced in a choked voice 999 01:24:00,468 --> 01:24:03,596 that he was sentenced to six years for desertion, 1000 01:24:04,139 --> 01:24:07,768 Mend�s told him, �Sir, I'm sure you'll be rewarded. 1001 01:24:07,768 --> 01:24:10,344 �You've served the master well.� 1002 01:24:11,212 --> 01:24:15,808 Former State Secretary Sentenced to six Years in Jail for Desertion 1003 01:24:16,851 --> 01:24:22,187 I don't know if Rochat told you that a man came to see him the next day. 1004 01:24:22,624 --> 01:24:26,526 And this man told him, �I'm a P�tain supporter, 1005 01:24:26,526 --> 01:24:31,156 �and I am appalled by what happened yesterday. It's scandalous. 1006 01:24:31,156 --> 01:24:35,669 �The Marshal must not be aware that such things are happening. 1007 01:24:36,304 --> 01:24:40,263 �The Marshal must be informed of such goings-on. 1008 01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:46,979 �I saw you stenograph the hearing.� Which indeed he had. 1009 01:24:47,749 --> 01:24:52,516 �Could you get a copy for me to bring to the Marshal himself?� 1010 01:24:53,455 --> 01:24:57,858 Rochat gave him a copy which he took to the Marshal. 1011 01:24:57,858 --> 01:25:00,018 Naturally, nothing ever came of it. 1012 01:25:00,018 --> 01:25:03,723 And the man who took the copy was a certain Mr. Giscard d'Estaing. 1013 01:25:08,002 --> 01:25:12,166 It is these children, the pupils of French schools, 1014 01:25:12,674 --> 01:25:15,666 in whom the Marshal sees hope for our country. 1015 01:25:15,877 --> 01:25:18,903 He has come to speak simply, as only he can, 1016 01:25:18,903 --> 01:25:22,413 in a modest school in the town of P�rigny. 1017 01:25:22,413 --> 01:25:24,485 You may sit down now. 1018 01:25:24,485 --> 01:25:26,554 You don't have to stand to listen. 1019 01:25:30,525 --> 01:25:33,892 Young pupils of our French schools, 1020 01:25:35,296 --> 01:25:39,027 the reason I wanted to speak to you today 1021 01:25:39,367 --> 01:25:42,359 on this day as you begin a new school year, 1022 01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:46,974 is that it's important for you to know that I am counting on you 1023 01:25:47,509 --> 01:25:50,637 to help me rebuild our country, France. 1024 01:25:51,112 --> 01:25:54,309 So work hard, stand firm, and do your best. 1025 01:25:54,983 --> 01:25:56,280 All rise. 1026 01:26:16,905 --> 01:26:20,841 I had to pass through Vichy to reach my posting in Billancourt 1027 01:26:20,841 --> 01:26:23,570 in the first two weeks of August 1940. 1028 01:26:23,912 --> 01:26:27,404 Many people told me that Marshal P�tain was very tired, 1029 01:26:27,404 --> 01:26:30,415 and was only lucid for two hours a day. 1030 01:26:31,686 --> 01:26:34,416 Imagine my surprise when I met this man, 1031 01:26:34,416 --> 01:26:38,025 who, although elderly, stood bolt upright, 1032 01:26:38,359 --> 01:26:43,319 with his look of steel, which many people have commented on, 1033 01:26:43,731 --> 01:26:47,292 and with the greatest of ease, 1034 01:26:47,292 --> 01:26:52,030 politely asked me to sit down and make myself comfortable, 1035 01:26:52,373 --> 01:26:56,776 then said, �Mr. Lamirand, there's been much talk about you here.� 1036 01:26:57,579 --> 01:27:01,481 The secretary general of youth, Mr. Georges Lamirand 1037 01:27:01,883 --> 01:27:05,785 recently visited Lavalette camp, the main goal of which 1038 01:27:05,785 --> 01:27:09,914 is to train the men of tomorrow. He visited these young men 1039 01:27:09,914 --> 01:27:13,255 who are united by a common ideal, and live life 1040 01:27:13,528 --> 01:27:17,328 in continual contact with nature, work and simplicity, 1041 01:27:17,699 --> 01:27:21,726 these values upon which we must rebuild our country. 1042 01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:24,104 We talked and I thought to myself, 1043 01:27:24,104 --> 01:27:26,173 �What bad luck. 1044 01:27:26,173 --> 01:27:30,938 �They say he's only lucid two hours a day, and I chance upon those two hours.� 1045 01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:34,305 The problems of youth are fascinating, 1046 01:27:34,515 --> 01:27:36,813 but I had absolutely no idea that, 1047 01:27:37,151 --> 01:27:42,521 in the position Marshal P�tain wanted to grant me, 1048 01:27:42,521 --> 01:27:46,956 there were so many fascinating subjects and problems to solve. 1049 01:27:47,195 --> 01:27:49,720 Repeat after me: Long live France! 1050 01:27:51,499 --> 01:27:53,399 Long live the Marshal! 1051 01:27:55,803 --> 01:28:00,831 Louis Renault finally agreed to give me leave, 1052 01:28:01,676 --> 01:28:06,613 saying to P�tain, �I'll lend him to you for a month.� 1053 01:28:06,914 --> 01:28:10,941 And Marshal P�tain, in his infinite cleverness, 1054 01:28:10,941 --> 01:28:12,814 �Fine, one month. 1055 01:28:12,814 --> 01:28:16,753 �But if you don't mind, let's make the job renewable.� 1056 01:28:16,753 --> 01:28:18,653 And he renewed it 30 months. 1057 01:28:18,653 --> 01:28:21,317 Mr. Lamirand is inaugurating 1058 01:28:21,529 --> 01:28:25,659 an exhibition of drawings sent to P�tain by French schoolchildren. 1059 01:28:27,535 --> 01:28:30,993 The little ones wanted to answer the Marshal's call, 1060 01:28:30,993 --> 01:28:35,803 they wanted to show the Marshal their towns, villages and homes, 1061 01:28:36,010 --> 01:28:39,411 hence sharing a piece of their daily lives with him. 1062 01:28:39,647 --> 01:28:43,845 A school girl, perhaps the youngest in France, had the luck 1063 01:28:43,845 --> 01:28:48,911 of being allowed to give P�tain her lovingly written letter in person. 1064 01:28:49,290 --> 01:28:51,918 It was about adding a new element 1065 01:28:52,193 --> 01:28:58,564 to the famous triptych of the time: Work, Family, Nation. 1066 01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:02,392 Honor your work, your family, and your nation. 1067 01:29:03,137 --> 01:29:04,968 A national revolution? 1068 01:29:05,673 --> 01:29:06,765 You said it. 1069 01:29:07,108 --> 01:29:10,509 Marshal P�tain has already told you several times 1070 01:29:10,978 --> 01:29:13,538 what he meant by social revolution. 1071 01:29:13,948 --> 01:29:18,885 He feels that our social system is unfair. 1072 01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:22,054 There is too much poverty, too much injustice. 1073 01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:24,790 And that is what he wants to change. 1074 01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:29,794 He is bound and determined to bring happiness to France, 1075 01:29:30,098 --> 01:29:33,761 and asks us all to join in a communal effort. 1076 01:29:34,068 --> 01:29:37,629 Dear friends, this is his social revolution. 1077 01:29:37,629 --> 01:29:41,366 That was when he started planning his escape. 1078 01:29:41,366 --> 01:29:44,841 He grew his beard, shaved it off, grew it out again, 1079 01:29:44,841 --> 01:29:46,811 and one fine day, he left. 1080 01:30:00,895 --> 01:30:03,420 I must admit I'm not very athletic, 1081 01:30:03,420 --> 01:30:08,025 but I prepared myself by working out for several months beforehand. 1082 01:30:08,669 --> 01:30:12,036 I was high up, so I had to jump off a high wall. 1083 01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:13,639 But I had to run the risk. 1084 01:30:13,639 --> 01:30:18,110 And once I had jumped, I would be a free man again. 1085 01:30:18,679 --> 01:30:21,147 Just as I was about to jump... 1086 01:30:21,147 --> 01:30:24,183 There were trees planted along the avenue. 1087 01:30:25,019 --> 01:30:28,819 I heard the unexpected sound of voices. 1088 01:30:29,056 --> 01:30:31,854 I tried to see in the semi-darkness. 1089 01:30:32,794 --> 01:30:35,661 There was a couple sitting under a tree. 1090 01:30:36,631 --> 01:30:39,464 You can imagine what they were discussing. 1091 01:30:40,134 --> 01:30:44,935 He knew what he wanted, but she hadn't decided yet. 1092 01:30:45,673 --> 01:30:48,870 It seemed to last an eternity to me. 1093 01:30:50,178 --> 01:30:52,043 She ended up saying yes, 1094 01:30:52,043 --> 01:30:57,140 but I had the impression she had put up a great deal of resistance. 1095 01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,487 Finally, they left. And so I jumped. 1096 01:31:03,024 --> 01:31:07,927 And let me assure you that I was even happier than he was. 1097 01:31:08,830 --> 01:31:12,857 I'd really like to meet him someday and let him know 1098 01:31:13,734 --> 01:31:17,864 how much I experienced with the two of them that night. 1099 01:31:18,072 --> 01:31:20,597 How you admired his audacity. 1100 01:31:21,108 --> 01:31:25,568 Yes, and how her lack of audacity struck me as being so untimely. 1101 01:31:26,380 --> 01:31:27,540 Anyway, 1102 01:31:28,115 --> 01:31:32,347 love, fate and escape eventually won the day. 1103 01:31:34,388 --> 01:31:36,049 Did you disguise yourself? 1104 01:31:36,958 --> 01:31:40,325 I was disguised, but not very well. 1105 01:31:40,528 --> 01:31:42,962 You see, many people back then 1106 01:31:42,962 --> 01:31:47,524 who wanted to disguise themselves would let their beards grow. 1107 01:31:47,524 --> 01:31:51,763 So, bearded men automatically arose suspicion! 1108 01:31:52,039 --> 01:31:54,030 I let my moustache grow, 1109 01:31:54,030 --> 01:32:00,808 I gave myself a new hairstyle, parted straight down the middle. 1110 01:32:00,808 --> 01:32:02,678 I got a pair of glasses. 1111 01:32:03,551 --> 01:32:06,987 And of course, I changed the way I dressed and so forth. 1112 01:32:07,255 --> 01:32:11,589 The next day, I went for my daily visit with him, 1113 01:32:11,926 --> 01:32:14,121 to see if he had escaped or not. 1114 01:32:14,362 --> 01:32:19,026 I arrived and saw all these people with decameters in hand, 1115 01:32:19,026 --> 01:32:22,864 taking all sorts of measurements. They were hysterical. 1116 01:32:22,864 --> 01:32:26,337 They asked me what I wanted. I said I was there to see my client. 1117 01:32:26,337 --> 01:32:30,570 They asked if I knew Pierre Mend�s-France had left. I said no. 1118 01:32:31,012 --> 01:32:34,072 I burst out laughing, which made them angry. 1119 01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:39,342 They carried out a huge security check of all the roads and trains. 1120 01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:44,680 But my plan was to not contact anyone, to not count on anyone, 1121 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,489 to be cut off from everything and everyone. 1122 01:32:49,489 --> 01:32:53,829 I must say that life in France at that time 1123 01:32:54,168 --> 01:32:58,605 is very difficult to imagine, and even more so to describe. 1124 01:32:58,605 --> 01:33:01,731 You had an old pair of shoes you hoped would last. 1125 01:33:01,943 --> 01:33:05,379 If they got a hole, there was no leather to fix them. 1126 01:33:05,379 --> 01:33:09,482 There were no plates, there were no matches, there was nothing. 1127 01:33:11,552 --> 01:33:16,512 It is very difficult, in hindsight, to describe 1128 01:33:16,512 --> 01:33:20,287 what it was like living in a country 1129 01:33:20,494 --> 01:33:23,463 where everyone was always searching for everything. 1130 01:33:24,699 --> 01:33:29,159 The new rage in Paris is silk stockings without the silk. 1131 01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:32,501 All you have to do, ladies, is dye your legs. 1132 01:33:32,501 --> 01:33:35,599 It's easy and practical. A great idea. 1133 01:33:35,843 --> 01:33:39,370 The ladies are trading in their garters for paintbrushes. 1134 01:33:40,748 --> 01:33:43,740 Worried about what will happen when you bathe? 1135 01:33:44,118 --> 01:33:48,179 No problem. Paint-on stockings are waterproof. 1136 01:33:48,179 --> 01:33:52,555 On top of that, Elizabeth Arden guarantees they won't run! 1137 01:34:02,436 --> 01:34:05,462 That's a Parisian habit which will disappear. 1138 01:34:08,909 --> 01:34:12,345 Where is France headed? Where is Europe headed? 1139 01:34:13,014 --> 01:34:15,448 Some 3,000 people in Chaillot will hear 1140 01:34:15,650 --> 01:34:20,087 Mr. Alphonse de Chateaubriant discuss The French Drama. 1141 01:34:20,755 --> 01:34:25,488 At this very moment, a huge continental unit 1142 01:34:25,488 --> 01:34:28,460 is slowly taking shape. 1143 01:34:28,996 --> 01:34:32,830 It will be one gigantic geographical piece in the puzzle, 1144 01:34:32,830 --> 01:34:36,800 with one single political and economical doctrine, 1145 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,134 stretching to the very tip of Europe, 1146 01:34:40,374 --> 01:34:43,866 the very tip of which is France. 1147 01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:50,283 Therein the importance of France becomes clear, 1148 01:34:50,951 --> 01:34:56,412 as France becomes, in this new division, the outer edge, 1149 01:34:56,412 --> 01:35:02,622 the last bastion on the Atlantic of this immense continent, 1150 01:35:02,622 --> 01:35:07,632 faced with another large continent, America, 1151 01:35:08,669 --> 01:35:13,129 which is ready to take over the ancient order of things, 1152 01:35:13,607 --> 01:35:17,043 the ancient riches and capitalist creeds, 1153 01:35:17,378 --> 01:35:20,814 the ancient gold and the ancient man, 1154 01:35:20,814 --> 01:35:23,677 in order to make it their last refuge, 1155 01:35:23,918 --> 01:35:26,648 their last fortress, 1156 01:35:26,854 --> 01:35:29,118 and their last army. 1157 01:35:30,291 --> 01:35:34,022 I sincerely hope that everything I have said tonight 1158 01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:40,531 will give the word �collaboration� new meaning in your eyes. 1159 01:35:41,001 --> 01:35:43,799 It's not surprising that, at first, 1160 01:35:43,799 --> 01:35:47,533 such poison won over many new converts. 1161 01:35:49,143 --> 01:35:53,136 Little by little, people began to realize it was propaganda, 1162 01:35:53,136 --> 01:35:58,651 and to see that the government was practicing a policy, 1163 01:35:58,651 --> 01:36:02,052 which they themselves called collaboration with the enemy. 1164 01:36:02,052 --> 01:36:05,683 Slowly but surely, people began to open their eyes, 1165 01:36:05,683 --> 01:36:08,090 and change their minds. 1166 01:36:09,597 --> 01:36:14,933 But this propaganda still won over many new converts. 1167 01:36:15,136 --> 01:36:19,038 You know as well as I do that anti-Semitism and Anglophobia 1168 01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,300 are never hard to stir up in France. 1169 01:36:23,210 --> 01:36:29,410 Even if reactions to such things are dormant or stifled, 1170 01:36:29,984 --> 01:36:32,714 all it takes is one event, one incident, 1171 01:36:32,714 --> 01:36:36,551 one international crisis or one Dreyfus affair, 1172 01:36:36,824 --> 01:36:42,319 for feelings we thought long gone to suddenly re-emerge in full force, 1173 01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:46,593 for beliefs we thought dead to be simply dormant. 1174 01:36:47,168 --> 01:36:51,867 Edouard Drumont was the first in France to examine the Jewish question. 1175 01:36:51,867 --> 01:36:57,205 The Institute of Jewish Questions celebrates his memory today. 1176 01:36:57,205 --> 01:37:00,678 Mr. Laville has agreed to say a few words. 1177 01:37:01,448 --> 01:37:04,144 Out of 100 Frenchmen of old stock, 1178 01:37:04,144 --> 01:37:08,517 at least 90 are pure white, free of any other racial mixture. 1179 01:37:08,517 --> 01:37:10,351 This isn't true of the Jews. 1180 01:37:10,351 --> 01:37:15,417 The Jews are born of a mixture which dates back thousands of years, 1181 01:37:15,417 --> 01:37:18,498 between Aryans, Mongols and Negroes. 1182 01:37:18,766 --> 01:37:24,295 Therefore, Jews have unique faces, bodies, attitudes and gestures. 1183 01:37:24,572 --> 01:37:28,633 It is reassuring to see that the public is interested 1184 01:37:28,633 --> 01:37:30,972 in studying the characteristics presented 1185 01:37:30,972 --> 01:37:35,071 in the morphological section of �Jews and France.� 1186 01:37:36,183 --> 01:37:39,175 In October '40, when I came home on leave, 1187 01:37:39,175 --> 01:37:42,016 I heard that a good friend of mine, a teacher, 1188 01:37:42,223 --> 01:37:45,386 wasn't allowed to keep teaching that fall, 1189 01:37:45,386 --> 01:37:49,360 because his mother was Jewish, making him half-Jewish. 1190 01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:51,320 I'd met Jews before, 1191 01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,993 but I treated them the same as Catholics, Protestants, 1192 01:37:54,993 --> 01:37:58,332 or people with no religion in particular. 1193 01:37:59,073 --> 01:38:03,703 It wasn't a revolution yet, but it did give me food for thought. 1194 01:38:04,278 --> 01:38:08,772 � Did you have any Jewish teachers? � Let me see... 1195 01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:11,542 We did have one. 1196 01:38:13,153 --> 01:38:15,018 Yes, he was fired. 1197 01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:22,424 The same old story. No one ever told us anything. 1198 01:38:22,863 --> 01:38:26,856 Listen, I think we should make a little nuance here. 1199 01:38:27,101 --> 01:38:32,664 I think that when you take cases like this teacher we mentioned, 1200 01:38:33,073 --> 01:38:38,204 I think that we tried, to the best of our ability, 1201 01:38:38,512 --> 01:38:42,778 to get these people some work tutoring and so forth. 1202 01:38:42,778 --> 01:38:45,716 We did that for another colleague, too. 1203 01:38:45,953 --> 01:38:50,720 Like you say, it wasn't much, but we did have sympathy for them. 1204 01:38:52,059 --> 01:38:54,527 Did you really try? 1205 01:38:54,995 --> 01:38:59,227 Did every single teacher in Clermont give in their resignation? 1206 01:38:59,227 --> 01:39:02,996 No way. You've no idea what the mentality was like back then. 1207 01:39:02,996 --> 01:39:05,537 A collective resignation? Come on! 1208 01:39:07,441 --> 01:39:10,706 In 1940, Vichy came out with the Jewish decrees. 1209 01:39:10,706 --> 01:39:14,871 In the small ads of Le Moniteur, a local merchant announced 1210 01:39:14,871 --> 01:39:17,177 that he was 100% pure French. 1211 01:39:18,385 --> 01:39:20,080 Sir, are you Marius? 1212 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,121 Yes, I'm Marius. 1213 01:39:22,389 --> 01:39:24,357 You're weighed down with medals. 1214 01:39:24,591 --> 01:39:27,583 I fought in World War I. 1215 01:39:27,962 --> 01:39:30,954 � They're all medals from WW I? � That's right. 1216 01:39:31,298 --> 01:39:32,925 You must be a very brave man. 1217 01:39:32,925 --> 01:39:36,867 I followed the others. I did my duty. 1218 01:39:37,137 --> 01:39:40,573 When France was demobilized, 1219 01:39:41,642 --> 01:39:46,272 when France was defeated in the 2nd war, how did you react? 1220 01:39:46,814 --> 01:39:49,305 We certainly weren't very happy. 1221 01:39:49,305 --> 01:39:54,945 As veterans of World War I, the defeat affected us deeply. 1222 01:39:56,023 --> 01:39:59,925 Were there many Jewish stores? 1223 01:39:59,925 --> 01:40:01,153 Yes, there were. 1224 01:40:01,153 --> 01:40:03,319 So you must have seen a lot? 1225 01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:07,901 You could say that. They all packed up their bags and left. 1226 01:40:07,901 --> 01:40:10,502 They went into exile. 1227 01:40:10,502 --> 01:40:13,333 And there weren't any arrests? 1228 01:40:13,333 --> 01:40:15,806 There were arrests everywhere. 1229 01:40:16,043 --> 01:40:17,203 And you saw them? 1230 01:40:17,203 --> 01:40:18,608 Yes, unfortunately. 1231 01:40:19,513 --> 01:40:25,452 Tell me, when what were called �the Jewish decrees� came out, 1232 01:40:27,721 --> 01:40:30,519 apparently you took out an ad. 1233 01:40:30,724 --> 01:40:31,884 That's correct. 1234 01:40:32,893 --> 01:40:34,827 It was an ad in Le Moniteur. 1235 01:40:34,827 --> 01:40:37,123 You're certainly well-informed. 1236 01:40:37,598 --> 01:40:40,726 You see, sir, we were four brothers. 1237 01:40:40,726 --> 01:40:44,804 It was the solution I found, as people thought we were Jews. 1238 01:40:44,804 --> 01:40:48,705 My name, Klein, sounds quite Jewish. 1239 01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:52,178 But I'm a Catholic. 1240 01:40:52,513 --> 01:40:57,507 And this was a real source of concern. I had some problems because of that. 1241 01:40:57,918 --> 01:41:02,651 Four of my brothers fought in the war. It was important that I tell people 1242 01:41:03,023 --> 01:41:05,014 that I am really French. 1243 01:41:05,793 --> 01:41:11,959 In other words, you wanted your clients to know you weren't Jewish. 1244 01:41:11,959 --> 01:41:13,224 That is correct. 1245 01:41:13,934 --> 01:41:15,162 Why? 1246 01:41:15,502 --> 01:41:17,197 Because some said I was Jewish. 1247 01:41:17,197 --> 01:41:21,263 Jews were being arrested, and they said we were Jewish. 1248 01:41:21,542 --> 01:41:24,602 Do you see? I couldn't very well allow myself 1249 01:41:24,602 --> 01:41:27,805 to be labeled as a Jew since I'm a Catholic. 1250 01:41:29,283 --> 01:41:32,912 So that's why, as you said, I took out an ad. 1251 01:41:32,912 --> 01:41:37,149 Four of my brothers fought in the war. One was killed. 1252 01:41:37,424 --> 01:41:42,657 � The other three were imprisoned. � But Jews fought in World War I, too. 1253 01:41:42,657 --> 01:41:45,061 That's true. I realize that. 1254 01:41:45,061 --> 01:41:48,032 I've never been a racist. 1255 01:41:48,836 --> 01:41:51,634 Jewish or Mahometan, all that mattered to me 1256 01:41:51,634 --> 01:41:54,571 was that the man did his duty, 1257 01:41:54,571 --> 01:41:57,768 in which case, he was as French as the rest of us. 1258 01:41:58,312 --> 01:41:59,802 You understand? 1259 01:42:02,082 --> 01:42:05,745 You weren't high on the priority list 1260 01:42:06,220 --> 01:42:09,246 of those persecuted by Hitler's regime. 1261 01:42:09,246 --> 01:42:14,349 But did you know any Jews, Communists, or Freemasons who were? 1262 01:42:14,661 --> 01:42:18,290 I met more Jews than I'll ever meet again. 1263 01:42:18,290 --> 01:42:21,401 I had two girls working at the pharmacy, 1264 01:42:21,602 --> 01:42:26,835 who were considered to be evil just because they were Jewish. 1265 01:42:26,835 --> 01:42:31,239 One was the daughter of an amazing man, a Parisian polytechnician. 1266 01:42:31,239 --> 01:42:34,837 She was a pretty amazing girl herself. 1267 01:42:35,282 --> 01:42:40,276 The other was the daughter of Hirsch, a colleague in Strasbourg. 1268 01:42:40,276 --> 01:42:44,220 Nobody wanted anything to do with these girls. 1269 01:42:44,458 --> 01:42:49,157 He had warned every pharmacy in Clermont not to hire these girls. 1270 01:42:51,198 --> 01:42:54,065 � Who is �he?� � The pharmacy inspector. 1271 01:42:54,368 --> 01:42:58,805 The movie industry gave them a chance to steal billions of francs. 1272 01:42:59,773 --> 01:43:04,540 Tannenzaft, better known as Nathan, who in the eyes of the world, 1273 01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:08,341 was the ultimate symbol of French cinema, 1274 01:43:08,341 --> 01:43:11,679 has cost the public nearly 700,000,000 francs. 1275 01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:18,748 Mr. Pierre Mend�s-France, did you enjoy going to the movies back then? 1276 01:43:20,194 --> 01:43:23,357 I went to the movies because I enjoyed it, 1277 01:43:23,357 --> 01:43:27,559 but I had yet another reason, as I had quickly discovered 1278 01:43:28,268 --> 01:43:34,207 that movie houses provided a refuge which was both fun and comfortable, 1279 01:43:35,409 --> 01:43:39,641 you could sit down in a movie theater at 3:00 in the afternoon, 1280 01:43:39,913 --> 01:43:44,316 and stay there in the darkness for hours on end, 1281 01:43:44,316 --> 01:43:46,648 without anyone ever seeing you. 1282 01:43:46,648 --> 01:43:51,452 It was a great hiding place. In many pre-war French movies, 1283 01:43:51,452 --> 01:43:55,220 there were Jewish actors or Jewish directors. 1284 01:43:55,529 --> 01:44:01,058 And in the credits of these movies, the Jewish names had been erased. 1285 01:44:01,568 --> 01:44:05,629 Today World News was able to film a part of the trial 1286 01:44:05,629 --> 01:44:08,299 of the Jew Tannenzaft, Bernard Nathan. 1287 01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:14,545 Our presence clearly disturbed the accused who wanted his privacy. 1288 01:44:14,545 --> 01:44:18,106 He raises an objection, but is overruled by the court. 1289 01:44:35,435 --> 01:44:38,029 Go away. Leave me alone. 1290 01:44:38,405 --> 01:44:40,737 This is a tragedy, not a comedy! 1291 01:44:45,779 --> 01:44:51,274 The Germans were discreet about it, but they wanted to see their movies. 1292 01:44:51,752 --> 01:44:55,552 There were operettas. There were the first movies in color. 1293 01:44:55,552 --> 01:45:01,628 Some, like La Ville Dor�e, weren't propaganda, others were. 1294 01:45:01,628 --> 01:45:05,664 Films like Le Juif Suss were pure propaganda. 1295 01:45:06,033 --> 01:45:09,662 And the thing that I found most revolting 1296 01:45:09,662 --> 01:45:13,103 was that they weren't only German productions, 1297 01:45:13,103 --> 01:45:15,834 which would have been understandable 1298 01:45:15,834 --> 01:45:18,069 since they had occupied us, 1299 01:45:18,612 --> 01:45:24,608 but that they were made with the blessing of the French authorities, 1300 01:45:24,608 --> 01:45:30,156 on behalf of French organizations, dubbed by French actors. 1301 01:46:13,333 --> 01:46:18,930 The events in this film are based on historical fact. 1302 01:46:19,706 --> 01:46:24,575 At first, movie-goers probably thought these movies were 1303 01:46:24,575 --> 01:46:27,202 just like any other German movie. 1304 01:46:27,202 --> 01:46:30,340 But people very quickly began to realize 1305 01:46:31,118 --> 01:46:34,952 that it was just typical propaganda, 1306 01:46:34,952 --> 01:46:37,990 in the worst sense of the word. 1307 01:46:38,291 --> 01:46:42,022 This led to a kind of strike among viewers. 1308 01:46:42,022 --> 01:46:46,361 Even those who weren't especially interested in the Free French, 1309 01:46:46,361 --> 01:46:51,836 who had gotten into the habit of seeing normal German movies, 1310 01:46:53,507 --> 01:46:58,274 were extremely revolted and refused to have any part in it. 1311 01:46:58,512 --> 01:47:02,642 Gentlemen, this Jew's criminal record shows nothing 1312 01:47:02,642 --> 01:47:06,617 of the suffering of our people during his tyranny. 1313 01:47:07,187 --> 01:47:12,591 This is why I give the floor to the person who has suffered most. 1314 01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:16,922 I ask for nothing. You are the judges, not me. 1315 01:47:16,922 --> 01:47:21,933 Please, Sturm, you are the one with the most right to judge him. 1316 01:47:22,502 --> 01:47:24,595 It is not my decision to take. 1317 01:47:25,872 --> 01:47:29,103 Suffering is too subjective. 1318 01:47:29,576 --> 01:47:31,407 It would be unfair. 1319 01:47:32,045 --> 01:47:36,379 However, I see an ancient article of criminal law which applies: 1320 01:47:37,851 --> 01:47:40,752 �If ever a Jew commits a sin... 1321 01:47:40,987 --> 01:47:45,048 �If ever a Jew commits a sin of the flesh with a Christian woman, 1322 01:47:45,048 --> 01:47:48,457 �he shall be publicly hung without further ado.� 1323 01:47:49,095 --> 01:47:52,428 �If ever a Jew commits a sin of the flesh with a Christian, 1324 01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:55,893 �he shall be publicly hung without further ado, 1325 01:47:55,893 --> 01:48:00,666 �as punishment, and as an example for all others.� 1326 01:48:09,616 --> 01:48:12,107 Have mercy! I've done nothing wrong! 1327 01:48:12,107 --> 01:48:15,416 I've always acted in the name of my savior! 1328 01:48:18,592 --> 01:48:23,552 It's not my fault that your duke wanted to betray you! 1329 01:48:26,900 --> 01:48:30,063 I can fix everything, I swear. Everything! 1330 01:48:30,770 --> 01:48:34,729 Take all that I own. Take all my money. But don't take my life! 1331 01:48:35,342 --> 01:48:37,902 I am innocent! 1332 01:48:38,111 --> 01:48:41,877 I'm just a poor Jew. Let me live. 1333 01:48:42,382 --> 01:48:43,474 I want to live! 1334 01:48:43,717 --> 01:48:45,685 I want to live! Live! 1335 01:49:01,501 --> 01:49:06,370 The State Council and I speak for all Wurtemburgers in decreeing 1336 01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,401 that all Jews must leave Wurtemberg in the next three days. 1337 01:49:10,810 --> 01:49:13,745 This is valid across the entire country. 1338 01:49:13,745 --> 01:49:18,578 This decree has been taken in Stuttgart on February 4, 1738. 1339 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,889 May our descendants remember this, 1340 01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:27,489 for in doing so, they will spare themselves much pain and suffering, 1341 01:49:28,061 --> 01:49:33,294 and will keep their blood pure of the influence of this accursed race. 1342 01:49:36,269 --> 01:49:37,109 THE END 1343 01:49:43,777 --> 01:49:49,841 There were only certain people who actually enjoyed Le Juif Suss, 1344 01:49:50,116 --> 01:49:54,678 the anti-Semites who saw their beliefs confirmed in the movie. 1345 01:49:55,789 --> 01:49:58,314 The collaborators would also see it. 1346 01:49:58,314 --> 01:50:01,916 Then there were those who were taken by surprise. 1347 01:50:02,162 --> 01:50:08,692 I'd say that 80% of the people who came to see Le Juif Suss 1348 01:50:09,302 --> 01:50:13,898 assumed it would be just like any other light-hearted movie. 1349 01:50:14,441 --> 01:50:17,433 The German films weren't particularly good. 1350 01:50:18,878 --> 01:50:25,340 However, they featured many French film stars, 1351 01:50:25,340 --> 01:50:31,014 as Continental had made many French films before the war. 1352 01:50:31,224 --> 01:50:34,318 Tino Rossi and the like filmed at Continental. 1353 01:50:35,161 --> 01:50:39,188 As an artistic endeavor, several actors are off to Germany. 1354 01:50:39,188 --> 01:50:42,462 At East Station, we've spotted Albert Pr�jean. 1355 01:50:43,803 --> 01:50:45,361 Danielle Darrieux. 1356 01:50:48,341 --> 01:50:49,808 Suzy Delair. 1357 01:50:50,110 --> 01:50:51,668 Junie Astor. 1358 01:50:58,018 --> 01:50:59,315 Viviane Romance. 1359 01:50:59,315 --> 01:51:04,379 Dr. Karl Fr�hlich, president of the German Cinema Corporation, 1360 01:51:04,379 --> 01:51:10,452 has invited them on a 12-day studio tour of Vienna, Munich and Berlin. 1361 01:51:17,303 --> 01:51:21,433 Today Mr. Heydrich, general of the S.S. And head of security, 1362 01:51:21,641 --> 01:51:26,578 was sent to Paris by Mr. Himmler, chief of the S.S. And the police, 1363 01:51:27,347 --> 01:51:32,944 to officially install Mr. Oberg in his new post in occupied territory. 1364 01:51:33,553 --> 01:51:37,819 Mr. Heydrich is president of the International Criminal Police, 1365 01:51:37,819 --> 01:51:41,519 a commission to which France has always belonged. 1366 01:51:45,098 --> 01:51:50,764 Mr. Heydrich visited Mr. Bousquet, secretary general of the police, 1367 01:51:50,764 --> 01:51:54,203 and Mr. Hiller, secretary general of administration. 1368 01:51:56,776 --> 01:52:00,872 He also had a chance to see Mr. Dartier de Pellepoix, 1369 01:52:00,872 --> 01:52:05,280 in charge of Jewish Questions, as well as Mr. De Brinon. 1370 01:52:11,825 --> 01:52:14,419 What was Paris like back then? 1371 01:52:15,695 --> 01:52:18,220 There were two sides to Paris. 1372 01:52:18,220 --> 01:52:21,060 There were those struggling to survive, 1373 01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:23,931 and there was high-society. 1374 01:52:25,071 --> 01:52:27,562 All we were missing was R�gine. 1375 01:52:28,808 --> 01:52:30,708 There's no doubt about it. 1376 01:52:30,708 --> 01:52:33,505 Everyone's ashamed to say it today, 1377 01:52:33,505 --> 01:52:37,411 but for some, life in Paris was great. 1378 01:53:01,141 --> 01:53:06,101 Maxim's and Le Boeuf sur le Toit did a booming business. 1379 01:53:06,579 --> 01:53:10,515 The movie industry was in full swing. 1380 01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:16,013 From what I've heard, actually, or so they say, 1381 01:53:16,013 --> 01:53:18,555 French films were so good then 1382 01:53:18,925 --> 01:53:23,828 because a certain category of producers had fled to the States. 1383 01:53:24,864 --> 01:53:29,426 Many directors have gone on to do very well in their careers, 1384 01:53:29,426 --> 01:53:32,162 but they forget what they said then. 1385 01:53:32,162 --> 01:53:35,273 Paris was a fun and crazy place. 1386 01:53:35,273 --> 01:53:41,541 Let me assure you that there were some wild and crazy times back then. 1387 01:53:46,886 --> 01:53:49,753 All right, boys. This way. 1388 01:53:49,753 --> 01:53:55,156 We'll go straight to the source to whet our whistles. 1389 01:53:57,797 --> 01:54:00,231 What happened to you in 1937? 1390 01:54:01,067 --> 01:54:04,332 You can't even begin to imagine. 1391 01:54:05,205 --> 01:54:08,231 � It's a long story. � Be careful... 1392 01:54:08,231 --> 01:54:12,141 First give us a drink, then we'll see what's up. 1393 01:54:12,378 --> 01:54:16,041 I think we're going to earn our drink today. 1394 01:54:16,041 --> 01:54:20,880 � Is that red wine? � Yes, it's as Red as I am. 1395 01:54:22,589 --> 01:54:24,557 So what happened in here? 1396 01:54:24,557 --> 01:54:27,217 This cellar has seen everything. 1397 01:54:28,361 --> 01:54:31,023 The Resistance in Auvergne began here. 1398 01:54:31,264 --> 01:54:36,395 The night the first weapons arrived, we met in this very cellar. 1399 01:54:37,003 --> 01:54:40,734 And we sang the Internationale. We weren't Communists, 1400 01:54:40,734 --> 01:54:45,970 but as P�tain sang the Marseillaise, we had to sing the Internationale. 1401 01:54:47,747 --> 01:54:53,549 You see, people attended the raising of the colors reluctantly. 1402 01:54:53,549 --> 01:54:56,315 � Yet they still came? � They had no choice. 1403 01:54:56,315 --> 01:55:00,950 It is in times like those when you begin to realize 1404 01:55:03,529 --> 01:55:05,690 what people are really like. 1405 01:55:07,133 --> 01:55:09,966 � How do you mean? � They were scared stiff. 1406 01:55:10,703 --> 01:55:12,762 With only a few exceptions. 1407 01:55:13,172 --> 01:55:19,372 � Was it really a risk not to come? � Risk or no risk, they still came. 1408 01:55:19,372 --> 01:55:23,176 � So they thought there was a risk? � They thought so. 1409 01:55:26,552 --> 01:55:32,081 I was under the impression that there were quite a few students here 1410 01:55:32,325 --> 01:55:35,988 who ardently supported General de Gaulle. 1411 01:55:36,362 --> 01:55:40,423 For example, there was the son of a colleague 1412 01:55:40,667 --> 01:55:43,966 whose name escapes me, among others. 1413 01:55:43,966 --> 01:55:46,128 What about among the teachers? 1414 01:55:46,906 --> 01:55:51,070 I really can't say how many teachers supported him. 1415 01:55:51,344 --> 01:55:55,041 We were sympathetic to the young people's cause, 1416 01:55:55,648 --> 01:56:00,711 but there wasn't the same enthusiasm... 1417 01:56:00,711 --> 01:56:05,018 the same enthusiasm which was gaining momentum 1418 01:56:06,125 --> 01:56:07,990 among the young people. 1419 01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:12,394 Why do you think that is? It often seems to be the case in life. 1420 01:56:12,966 --> 01:56:19,530 Young people are, in general, more sincere and more dynamic. 1421 01:56:19,530 --> 01:56:21,630 They don't think things through. 1422 01:56:21,630 --> 01:56:26,440 I think it would be fair to say that they are less cautious. 1423 01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,515 They are more open and friendly. What do you think? 1424 01:56:29,916 --> 01:56:32,077 � They're not as scared. � True. 1425 01:56:32,418 --> 01:56:38,618 Some of my students got caught. 1426 01:56:39,525 --> 01:56:43,393 I can't really say who. Not so many, just a few of them. 1427 01:56:43,763 --> 01:56:48,166 In fact, many of them now have streets named after them here. 1428 01:56:48,166 --> 01:56:50,030 There was Bacaud. 1429 01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:54,099 The street going to Fontvi�ge is named after him. 1430 01:56:54,099 --> 01:56:58,268 � I taught this charming boy. � He was in the Resistance? 1431 01:56:58,911 --> 01:57:00,708 These people, 1432 01:57:01,581 --> 01:57:05,244 as Dionnet was saying earlier, had created a network. 1433 01:57:05,244 --> 01:57:07,945 We only found out about it later. 1434 01:57:07,945 --> 01:57:11,888 They continued to pretend they were just your average students. 1435 01:57:12,925 --> 01:57:16,156 But we only found out about this later. 1436 01:57:16,156 --> 01:57:19,493 Perhaps Dionnet, who was in the Resistance, knew. 1437 01:57:19,799 --> 01:57:22,097 What was it like for the others? 1438 01:57:22,097 --> 01:57:27,002 How did the others react when someone's desk was empty? 1439 01:57:27,473 --> 01:57:30,533 I don't know. I can't remember. 1440 01:57:31,511 --> 01:57:34,537 When a student's parents were arrested, 1441 01:57:34,537 --> 01:57:40,517 and the son showed up at school the next day, how did they react? 1442 01:57:41,287 --> 01:57:43,619 � I can't remember. � How can you forget? 1443 01:57:43,856 --> 01:57:44,982 Can you remember? 1444 01:57:45,291 --> 01:57:46,690 No, I can't. 1445 01:57:46,690 --> 01:57:48,226 No specific examples. 1446 01:57:49,362 --> 01:57:51,330 I see some examples on the wall. 1447 01:57:51,731 --> 01:57:54,529 Those are our former students... 1448 01:57:54,834 --> 01:57:58,565 Aren't those the students who died in World War I? 1449 01:57:59,072 --> 01:58:01,063 It says World War II. 1450 01:58:02,642 --> 01:58:05,839 I'm trying to remember, but I can't. 1451 01:58:06,813 --> 01:58:10,476 Clermont-Ferrand is giving Marshal P�tain a warm welcome. 1452 01:58:10,983 --> 01:58:15,044 He has come to approve the constitution of the Peasants' Union, 1453 01:58:15,044 --> 01:58:18,885 and the end of the winter crusade for National Aid. 1454 01:58:24,964 --> 01:58:29,333 The head of state will then receive the donations to National Aid 1455 01:58:29,602 --> 01:58:32,435 brought by peasants from all over the region. 1456 01:58:32,435 --> 01:58:37,999 It is a symbolic ceremony for the French mutual aid campaign. 1457 01:58:38,444 --> 01:58:44,280 A great day for France as our hearts beat together in collective hope. 126755

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