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CHARLES: This is not like
a psychiatric unit
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at a general hospital where
you would take your mother.
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SHARRON:
Listen to me.
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JUSTINE:
Get out of the room, fuck you!
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I'm going to hit you!
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You're yelling.I'm angry!
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Okay, she's yelling.
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Hang on.
Justine and Richard.
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Won't turn
his radio down.
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Okay, come with me.But he won't
turn his -
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Just come with me.[Growls]
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That's notgoing to help you.Well I'm fucking mad
right now!
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Can we leave this?
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He's telling me he's
going to punch me -
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Can we leave this?He's telling me to
leave the front room.
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What do you
want me to do?
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Justine?He won't turn it down.
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He won't do anything.
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You're not
listening right now.
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You're yelling.
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Yes I am yelling
'cause I'm very mad.
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You're not using your
rational thinking.
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I need you to calm down.
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Walk with me so the guys
can deal with him.
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Come with me.
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CHARLES: The Brockville
Mental Health Centre
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is strictly a forensic
psychiatry unit,
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which means every client here
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has some sort of
criminal charge.
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Well then take
it away from him.
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Listen, you need to
not yell right now.
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You're yelling at me.Well take it away
from him then.
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SHARRON: They've stirred up
a lot of emotion
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with the male patients
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and the particular
male believes
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and is paranoid that the
girls are yelling at him,
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problematic with him,
they're causing him problems.
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So he was very agitated,
very angry.
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RICHARD:
I love the radio.
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JUSTINE:
It's loud, though.
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SHARRON:
Justine - no.
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RICHARD: It's none ofyour business, you.It's not going to
help by yelling, okay?
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I've seen lots of
violence over the years.
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Serious violence.
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We've had murders
on this floor.
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LaFRANCE: Whenever she had
asked me to speak to him I did.
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And I said, "Richard,"
in French, I said to him,
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"please turn down the radio.
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They're trying to watch TV."
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And he did.
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And still it wasn't
good enough for her.
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She just -
she was fixated on that
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and she decided
well I'm going to,
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I'm going to go
for it and she did.
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But the thing was,
she wasn't expecting
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the retaliation he
was ready to give her.
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And I think he scared her.
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He did.
She said he scared her.
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But I told her,
and I've told her many times,
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I said,
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"You're not on
a unit where you
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don't think you're
going to get hurt."
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I said, "That's your first
mistake because on this unit
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it could happen
very, very quickly."
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My biggest concern is
that she removes herself
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from the situation when
it escalates like that.
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DEBBIE:
The majority of people who
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have a diagnosis
of schizophrenia,
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they don't have
violent tendencies.
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But all our patients at some
point displayed violence.
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They're stable,
they're fine,
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but the potential
for violence
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is what got them here
in the first place,
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not just because they
were schizophrenic,
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because they were violent.
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DR. BRADFORD:
Michael's a very warm,
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intelligent young man,
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struggling with a
devastating illness
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which is schizophrenia.
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We have been able get him
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quite well
but never into recovery.
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Essentially what's been
going on with Michael
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is that he has become
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quite sensitive in
social situations.
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It's not really paranoia
in the sense that
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you think somebody's
going to harm you.
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It goes back to
he has a feeling
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that people know what he did.
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MIKE:
As a new patient,
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generally speaking,
they'll put you up.
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They'll start you up
on the fourth floor.
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It's like school.
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B3 nor -
B4 south is grade 1,
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B3 north is B2,
or is grade 2,
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down here south is 3
and what I'm on is 4
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and you want to
get out of here.
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This is the most secure
unit of the four in FTU.
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They're pretty caged in
for the time being.
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They could come in
on a serious crime,
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the staff wants to know if...
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they don't want
anything else to happen,
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anything else negative.
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They're strangers
to each other too,
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so there's a threat that
exists between copatients
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just as there's a threat
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between the staff and
the patients at times.
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So it can be a hostile area.
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NURSE:
Have you got a blanket?
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CHARLES:
These are our most dangerous,
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most unpredictable
fellows at this end.
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DEBBIE: We'd like some more guys
up before we open that door.
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LaFRANCE: I don't think he
even knows where he is at all.
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No, no, I don't think he
knows what's even going on.
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Most of them are new people
that we don't know that well
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and they haven't been
stabilized on meds.
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DEBBIE:
He's very unpredictable.
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Very, very ill.
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LaFRANCE:
He's just very sick.
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Could be very frightening
if you weren't psychotic.
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And if you happened
to come in,
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and you're in for
an assessment,
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and you aren't
horribly psychotic,
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I imagine it would be
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just a very frightening
visit to the circus.
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MIKE:
And then over here we have
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the nursing station,
the care station.
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There are a lot of
patients to take care of,
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and we have lots of needs.
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Things seem to be pretty
quiet right now so we're -
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I don't know,
the patients,
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everyone's behaving
themselves for the most part.
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If someone causes trouble,
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the first thing they'll do is
they'll close this door here,
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thus barricading themselves
into the nursing station
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if worst comes to worst.
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JOHN KASTNER: Tell me
about this program group,
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what do you take in it?
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The one I just finished
was called...
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Symptom Management.
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Do they talk to you about
if your voices return?
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How to handle that?
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Oh yeah, for sure,
for sure.
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What do they teach
you about that?
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They ask you,
does it sound like
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there's a person
talking to you
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or does it sound like
it's in your head?
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And you answer, no,
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I think it's the person
talking to me, or whatever.
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They ask you what they say,
what the voices say.
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You tell them they say,
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"I hate you,"
or "I love you,"
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or whatever they say,
you know?
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SUSAN JANSMAN:
Can you tell the difference when
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the voices are real
and when they're not real?
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I know my sister is here.
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I can tell.
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I know my sister's temper.
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You know your
sister's here?
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And it scares me because
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I know she thinks
I'm a loser.
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Okay, but is your sister here?
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No.
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She's not?
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I don't know.
I'm not sure.
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Okay, do you see her
anywhere around?
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No, but I hear her voice.
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I recognize her.
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So can you tell that
those voices aren't real?
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No.You can't?
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That's when you need
to come to staff.
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Okay.Okay?
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Because if your
sister's not around,
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any voices that
you hear are voices
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that you're hearing
in your head.
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I'm just curious -
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This isn't Germany,
this is Brockville, eh?
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Yes, it's Brockville,
Ontario, Canada.
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People keep telling
me it's Germany
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and I never studied and...
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What people?
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My sister.
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But your sister's not here.
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It feels like she's here.
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I know my sister's temper,
my sister...
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my sister would get really,
really angry at me.
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It's all part of the voices
that tell you things?
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Yeah.
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KASTNER:
Those are not what they
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call command hallucinations.
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Command hallucinations
are something different?
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Yes.What are they?
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Command hallucinations,
from what I gather,
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are things that say...
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"Jump off this bridge.
It's right there,
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look, look,
there's the railing.
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Jump off this bridge."
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There's a bridge there
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and it's quite elevated
over the highway.
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And on the highway there's
huge vehicles passing, right?
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So you're walking
across the bridge
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and the voice will say,
"Now's a good time..."
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So that's what a command
hallucination is, I think.
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Aside from harming yourself,
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as you understand it,
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do command hallucinations
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ever tell you to
hurt somebody else?
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I'm certain they do.
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DR. GRAY:
Mr. Beninato was diagnosed
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with schizophrenia in 1996
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and this followed a series
of violent outbursts
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against his family and
reports of hearing voices.
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This leads up to
the 2003 incident.
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On that particular
day he came home,
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his father was
watching television
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and he asked his
mother for a cigarette.
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She said she didn't have one.
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He escalated and
became very, very angry
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and grabbed her by the hair
and was shaking her around.
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As a result of that
she became unconscious.
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He called an
ambulance and said
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that he had a temper tantrum,
as he put it.
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And she was brought
to the hospital.
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She was in the
intensive care unit
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because she was in
a coma for weeks.
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And suffered irreversible
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neurological damage,
walks with a cane.
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Sometimes patients feel
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that the more honest they
are about symptoms,
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the less privileges
they'll get,
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because then people will
think they're sicker
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and they're more of a risk.
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So in Mr. Beninato's
case in particular,
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he sometimes downplays that
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because to say that he
experiences them all the time
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and especially if he says,
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"Well, they tell me
to do bad things,"
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probably he wouldn't
get out of the hospital
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as quick as he would like.
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SAL:
I don't hear voices.
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I don't even know why
I'm on medication.
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But they tell me
I got schizophrenia,
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I'm mentally ill,
I'm sick.
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So I just listen
to them, you know?
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KASTNER:
And have you ever heard voices?
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Um, no.
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Not really, no.
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I don't really hear voices.
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Sometimes I think they're
my thoughts and stuff.
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Sometimes I do hear voices,
though, yeah.
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I don't really, like,
hear them too much.
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I think, like the voices are
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like voices saying,
"Oh, who cares?
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Buy crack cocaine,
buy marijuana,
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drink beer,
liquor, whatever."
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And then my thoughts say,
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"Hey, you don't
want to do that."
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And even the voices that say,
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"Buy crack cocaine."
You know what they say?
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They say,
"We're sorry we bother you
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and we bothered you
in the past."
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And then they start
to say things like...
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Well, the thoughts say
things like, "Don't," like,
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"Listen, don't go
buying the drugs."
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And even the voices say,
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"We don't want to pressure
you into doing that either."
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You know, sometimes,
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I'm not saying right now,
but in the past,
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the staff heard you
yelling in your room
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and there's no-one else there.
274
00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:16,812
Yeah, yeah.
275
00:14:16,812 --> 00:14:19,075
So how would you explain that?
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Well, it's sort of like
I hear voices bugging me,
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like putting me down.
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So you yell back at them?
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Is that what you're doing?
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It's like I'm not trying to
put the voices down, you know?
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Instead of saying,
"Hey, like leave me alone,"
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I tell them,
283
00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:38,790
"Why don't you
get with the program?
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00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:41,141
You're falling behind."
You know?"
285
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PA: Lunch is now on the ward
for the south side.
286
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Lunch is now on the ward.
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[♪♪♪]
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Hey.Hey, Mike.
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Hey, Peter.How are you?
290
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Not too bad, you?Good to see you.
291
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:45,466
You look good.You too, thanks.
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John.
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Looks like you
got some sun.
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More than me.Maybe.
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Shall we go?
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NANCY: The name of this person
is Michael Roland Stewart.
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His date of birth is
December 14, 1978.
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His date of admission
was March 22, 2005.
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00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:09,185
His index offence is
second degree murder.
300
00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:11,187
Legal status is
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not criminally responsible -
NCR.
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00:16:14,495 --> 00:16:28,204
[♪♪♪]
303
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PETER: Mike belonged to
what would normally
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be considered
the popular crowd.
305
00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:37,387
He was extremely self-assured,
306
00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:39,650
extremely confident,
307
00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:42,131
and top marks in the class.
308
00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:48,877
Lots of friends,
girls and guys.
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00:16:48,877 --> 00:16:53,099
JOHN: He was probably among
the funnier people in the room.
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00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:55,362
But he was very -
311
00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:58,234
just so sharp,
such a good way with words.
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Supremely confident.
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00:17:02,325 --> 00:17:04,806
And this was certainly
into the time
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00:17:04,806 --> 00:17:07,548
where Mike had become sick.
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Spring of 1997.
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00:17:10,377 --> 00:17:12,335
There seemed to be a
difference in him right away
317
00:17:12,335 --> 00:17:17,123
and I thought that he kind
of became quite recluse.
318
00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:20,039
He thought
mom had awoken him
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00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,302
so she could read his mind
320
00:17:22,302 --> 00:17:24,347
a few hours
before he went to school.
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00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:32,312
KASTNER: Do you see
a big change in him today?
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00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,401
He's not the same
guy at all.
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00:17:39,362 --> 00:17:41,799
NANCY:
From a nursing perspective,
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00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,541
Mike is making slow,
steady improvement
325
00:17:44,541 --> 00:17:47,414
but some
negative symptoms remain.
326
00:17:47,414 --> 00:17:52,201
His overall mood
is good but quiet.
327
00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:55,683
He spends a lot of his
leisure time in the TV lounge
328
00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:58,686
but does not socialize
much with copatients.
329
00:17:58,686 --> 00:18:01,819
He usually maintains a quiet
demeanour about the ward.
330
00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:07,912
Yeah, I just got four.
331
00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:12,265
NURSE:
Okay, see you later.
332
00:18:12,265 --> 00:18:14,745
Okay, guys,
come on aboard.
333
00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,620
Okay, here's the deal.
334
00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,274
I think my knee can take it,
I'm going to bowl with you.
335
00:18:21,274 --> 00:18:24,712
What do you think, Mike?
Could you help me?
336
00:18:24,712 --> 00:18:26,366
I don't know if I
can help you but you'll do fine.
337
00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:29,586
Are you going to beat
your best score today?
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00:18:29,586 --> 00:18:31,022
That's the g -
110.110?
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00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:43,905
MIKE WHELAN:
He's always struggled
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00:18:43,905 --> 00:18:45,994
with the social aspect
of the hospital.
341
00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:49,302
So he seems to do
better with staff.
342
00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,000
To hang around
with his peers
343
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,656
I don't think he's ever
been very good at that.
344
00:18:55,656 --> 00:19:02,489
[♪♪♪]
345
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DR. BRADFORD:
He has become quite sensitive
346
00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,763
in social situations.
347
00:19:15,763 --> 00:19:19,070
He, for example,
has turned down the opportunity
348
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:23,074
to go into the community
on his own,
349
00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,164
even though he's probably
well enough to do that.
350
00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:35,739
By being sensitive
to people around him,
351
00:19:35,739 --> 00:19:39,526
that they may know what he did
ten years or so ago.
352
00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:42,616
So that type of
hypersensitivity,
353
00:19:42,616 --> 00:19:45,706
hypervigilance is
what's been bothering him.
354
00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,548
NANCY:
The next person we're going to
355
00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:06,030
conference today is Carole.
356
00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:10,644
CAROLE:
And this is a string.
357
00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:13,386
NANCY:
Carole is a 39-year-old female.
358
00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:17,607
CAROLE: This is what I
call my imaginary friend.
359
00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:21,002
NANCY: Carole was found NCR
on account of mental disorder
360
00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:24,005
on two charges of
assaulting a police officer
361
00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:26,790
and four charges of assault
on September 20, 2010.
362
00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,186
CAROLE:
Cat.
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00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,324
NANCY: Carole has been
estranged from her family.
364
00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:42,023
There are no next of kin
noted in her clinical chart.
365
00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:43,720
She became a ward of the
Children's Aid Society
366
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,246
at the age of 11 years.
367
00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:52,512
When you workyou've got to get up early,
368
00:20:52,512 --> 00:20:54,818
get showered.
369
00:20:54,818 --> 00:20:56,907
You have to lookappropriate for your job,
370
00:20:56,907 --> 00:21:00,302
get dressed in your best.
371
00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:02,565
DR. JAMES: From what
I understand from her past,
372
00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:07,178
she would become very upset,
she'd run into traffic.
373
00:21:07,178 --> 00:21:09,964
She was admitted
to the hospital.
374
00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:13,359
She was discharged
back to her apartment.
375
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,839
An acting worker
came to visit.
376
00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,712
She didn't want the
acting worker to leave.
377
00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,583
And she threatened to
commit suicide,
378
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:22,324
is my understanding.
379
00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:24,587
And as the acting
worker was leaving,
380
00:21:24,587 --> 00:21:28,287
she jumped off the balcony.
381
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:32,595
And that's how she got a lot
of the orthopedic injuries
382
00:21:32,595 --> 00:21:36,817
that you see when she walks.
383
00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:40,603
CAROLE: The stickers
are for good behaviour.
384
00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:42,736
And it tells you that if you
385
00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:46,087
get 14 stickers in a row
without missing one,
386
00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:48,350
you get to order out,
387
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,439
or you could
save your money
388
00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:53,616
for whatever you wish to buy.
389
00:21:53,616 --> 00:21:55,401
And if you don't -
390
00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:59,274
I missed one sticker here,
so I don't get one.
391
00:21:59,274 --> 00:22:01,058
But here I had a
perfect month -
392
00:22:01,058 --> 00:22:07,064
and over here
I had a perfect month.
393
00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:10,416
But that's about it
out of all of them.
394
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,069
This is April,
that's May...
395
00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,855
KASTNER:
So when you say bad behaviour,
396
00:22:14,855 --> 00:22:16,596
what do you mean by that?
397
00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,381
Yelling at staff,
or refusing to take my pills,
398
00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:23,733
or refusing to go to
my room when I'm upset,
399
00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:27,084
or getting into a
fight with people,
400
00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:28,825
getting into an argument,
401
00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:31,262
I don't get a sticker.
402
00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:33,264
And are you a bad girl often?
403
00:22:33,264 --> 00:22:35,528
Yeah.
404
00:22:35,528 --> 00:22:37,747
It's hard for me to actually
405
00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:40,359
get a whole
month of stickers.
406
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,448
Bad behaviour gets
me in trouble.
407
00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,145
I find it hard to be good.
408
00:22:44,145 --> 00:22:47,757
You find it
hard to be good?Yeah.
409
00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:49,846
And how are you doing
so far this month?
410
00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:54,851
Uh, well I'm off
to a rocky start.
411
00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:57,419
KASTNER:
Can you give me a sense of
412
00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,900
how many of the patients here
413
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,293
are capable of
serious violence?
414
00:23:02,293 --> 00:23:04,383
Absolutely all of them.
415
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,167
CHARLES:
Every one.Every single one.
416
00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:07,864
Every single
one of them.
417
00:23:07,864 --> 00:23:10,824
KASTNER:
Carole Seguin?
418
00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:12,608
Oh yes.Oh, absolutely!
419
00:23:12,608 --> 00:23:15,655
Carole is one of those people
that there is no question -
420
00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:17,657
Once she started
to be a problem,
421
00:23:17,657 --> 00:23:19,920
you had to get out
the five point restraints,
422
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,661
because if she couldn't
get at you to hurt you,
423
00:23:21,661 --> 00:23:24,794
she would start smashing
her skull on the wall.
424
00:23:24,794 --> 00:23:27,318
DEBBIE: And you know within
a few minutes of locking her,
425
00:23:27,318 --> 00:23:29,233
she's going to start whacking
her head off the toilet
426
00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,411
or usually the cement walls.
427
00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:37,285
You couldn't listen to that.
It was just awful.
428
00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:39,374
Awful females.
They're the worst.
429
00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:41,202
I'm sorry, they are.
430
00:23:41,202 --> 00:23:43,378
CHARLES:
I didn't say that.Of course you didn't!
431
00:23:43,378 --> 00:23:47,295
I jumped on it.
432
00:23:47,295 --> 00:23:54,041
[Laughs]
433
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,348
CHARLES:
Women make the worst patients.
434
00:23:57,348 --> 00:24:00,134
Oh absolutely.
I agree completely.
435
00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:03,050
There is no explaining
how or why,
436
00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:05,008
it's just that way.
437
00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:10,361
[Justine laughing]
438
00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:13,408
59 patients here
at the Forensic Treatment Unit
439
00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:17,238
and about five female patients
is quite a difference.
440
00:24:21,982 --> 00:24:25,246
The men tend to cause more
violent crimes on the outside,
441
00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,856
in the outside world.
442
00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,510
And the women tend
443
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:32,166
to cause more violence
on the inside.
444
00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,603
I mean, I'm not used to
wrestling with people.
445
00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:37,388
I never thought in my lifetime
that I would be in this field
446
00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,565
where I'm wrestling with
some female on the floor
447
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,958
because she's just
taken a swing at me,
448
00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:43,090
or tried to kick
me in the stomach,
449
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:44,613
or did kick me,
450
00:24:44,613 --> 00:24:47,834
and now we're into a whole
different ball of wax.
451
00:24:47,834 --> 00:24:48,965
I've wrestled with
probably more women here
452
00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,141
than I ever will with men.
453
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:57,147
I do believe that some of it
454
00:24:57,147 --> 00:25:01,108
can be attributed to
their illness.
455
00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:03,414
They're extremely vulnerable.
456
00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:06,592
I know Angela, but I don't know
if it's fixed. Eh?
457
00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:07,854
Yeah.
458
00:25:07,854 --> 00:25:10,813
Historically women coming in
459
00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:12,728
have some sort
of mood disorder.
460
00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,122
So they're bipolar or
they're schizoaffective,
461
00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:19,430
which is all related
to mood fluctuations.
462
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:20,823
So yeah,
something that simple
463
00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:25,393
causes chaos on the unit.
464
00:25:25,393 --> 00:25:27,526
[Justine laughing]
465
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,223
Just another day
in the neighbourhood.
466
00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:55,292
How are you doing?Not bad.
467
00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:56,511
Hey Michael.
468
00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:57,643
Looking good.
469
00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,515
How are you doing?
470
00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:01,647
Doing okay.
471
00:26:01,647 --> 00:26:03,823
Yeah.
472
00:26:03,823 --> 00:26:05,564
Do you want to dip in?
473
00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,523
Go for it.
474
00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:09,916
When's the last time you
had mussels, Michael?
475
00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:12,788
The last time I had mussels?
476
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,660
Jeez, I don't...
477
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,618
I don't remember.
478
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,098
Really?
479
00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:21,057
Two RCMP pulled up
and asked us,
480
00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:25,714
"Is one of you
Rebecca Stewart?"
481
00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:28,674
I thought that Michael
had killed himself,
482
00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:32,547
because again,
that was always the concern.
483
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:36,116
And he just said
to call your dad.
484
00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:38,118
Dad picked up
and said, "Hello."
485
00:26:38,118 --> 00:26:41,164
I said, "Hello.
What's going on?"
486
00:26:41,164 --> 00:26:45,560
He said, "Something
very bad has happened."
487
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,128
And I said,
"Michael's killed himself?"
488
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:52,132
And he said, "No,
Michael has killed your mother."
489
00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:55,788
And then I was
caught off guard
490
00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:58,617
and I said, "No."
And he said, "Yes."
491
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,401
And I think I said no again.
And I was worked up,
492
00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:03,186
so I asked if I could call
him back in a few minutes,
493
00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:06,363
get off the phone
and call him back.
494
00:27:06,363 --> 00:27:08,583
He said I could do so,
and then we hung up,
495
00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:10,019
and then I just
started smashing
496
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:14,067
the phone receiver
into the phone.
497
00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:17,374
And kind of realized that
I was in a public spot.
498
00:27:17,374 --> 00:27:20,551
So I went outside and
just went for a little walk.
499
00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:23,032
And that was it.
500
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:38,657
It's always good.
501
00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,049
Either way I'm happy.
502
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,715
NANCY: He apparently arrived
at his parents' home
503
00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,891
in the early afternoon
and waited in the house
504
00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,633
until his mother,
the victim,
505
00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:03,769
arrived home
between 3:30 and 3:45 PM.
506
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:07,642
He was reported to have
confronted his mother
507
00:28:07,642 --> 00:28:10,645
and then an altercation
developed between the two.
508
00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:13,082
She eventually died
509
00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:15,476
from severe blunt trauma
to the head.
510
00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:26,356
[♪♪♪]
511
00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:29,359
She was a nurse who
512
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,319
loved her profession,
513
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,367
and community member
who loved her community,
514
00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:41,067
and a mother who
loved her family.
515
00:28:47,682 --> 00:28:50,859
[♪♪♪]
516
00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:53,862
JUNE:
Good morning.
517
00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:55,472
Here we are
on Tommy Donohue's farm
518
00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:58,214
up in Douglas, Ontario,
as you can see.
519
00:28:58,214 --> 00:28:59,912
It's Friday morning,
520
00:28:59,912 --> 00:29:03,002
September the 7th,
the year 2001.
521
00:29:03,002 --> 00:29:04,264
And the sun has just come up,
522
00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:08,529
and you can see the mist
through the rail fencing,
523
00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:11,184
and of course the cattle.
524
00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:14,622
So what a perfect day.
525
00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:21,020
[♪♪♪]
526
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,499
Thank you for doing it.
527
00:29:22,499 --> 00:29:38,298
[♪♪♪]
528
00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,561
JOHN: You both look pretty
pleased in that picture.
529
00:29:40,561 --> 00:29:42,737
REBECCA:
It's a cute photo.
530
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:43,912
DAVID:
That's June and me.
531
00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:46,654
We're going out
somewheres because we're -
532
00:29:46,654 --> 00:29:50,005
June's - we're dressed for
an evening out.
533
00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:52,791
JOHN:
Pretty loud outfit.
534
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:53,922
DAVID:
On Mom's part.
535
00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:54,705
REBECCA:
Which was typical.
536
00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:56,490
JOHN:
Fairly standard.
537
00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:59,623
REBECCA: She was a fashionista
in her own right, I think.
538
00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:03,758
She liked to dress up.
539
00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,455
PETER: I don't think
I've ever seen that picture.
540
00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:06,848
REBECCA:
I've never seen it either.
541
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,371
It's beautiful.
542
00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,677
It's a photograph of Mom
543
00:30:09,677 --> 00:30:10,983
I've not seen before
and it's nice.
544
00:30:10,983 --> 00:30:13,115
It's a great picture.
545
00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:15,248
Looks pretty pensive.
546
00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,909
KASTNER: What had Mike's
relationship with her
547
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:27,042
been like before?
548
00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,131
PETER:
She loved him very much
549
00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:31,003
and he loved her
very much, too,
550
00:30:31,003 --> 00:30:33,832
and I think that
where he needed
551
00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,095
very occasional
emotional support,
552
00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:38,358
he got it in spades from her.
553
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:44,103
A mother who for years
after Michael became sick
554
00:30:44,103 --> 00:30:48,716
would cry herself to sleep
out of concern for him,
555
00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:50,065
and he knew that when
556
00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:53,503
he was well enough
to know that.
557
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:25,666
What kind of thoughts
are you having right now?
558
00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:30,758
That I want to kill myself,
that I want to hang myself.
559
00:31:30,758 --> 00:31:33,456
Okay.
Carole?
560
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:36,155
You know us?Yeah, I know you.
561
00:31:36,155 --> 00:31:38,853
And we know you.Yeah, I know.
562
00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:41,160
And we know that you're
a good person, right?
563
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,075
Right.Okay.
564
00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:44,772
And we're here to
take care of you.
565
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:45,729
Right.
566
00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:47,296
And we're here
to keep you safe.
567
00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:49,124
I know that but
I don't feel loved.
568
00:31:49,124 --> 00:31:52,911
Well, we're going to
keep you safe, okay?
569
00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:55,522
What we're
going to do -Yeah?
570
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,437
What I want to do is
571
00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:59,395
I'd like to help you
with those thoughts
572
00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:01,658
'cause you're having really
bad thoughts right now.
573
00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,878
And those thoughts right
now are telling you
574
00:32:03,878 --> 00:32:05,706
that you're a
bad person,
575
00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:06,837
that you've
done things, okay?Right.
576
00:32:06,837 --> 00:32:09,666
Which you haven't, right?
577
00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:10,493
They're talking
about me on the TV.
578
00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:12,800
Those are the -
579
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,803
but that's your delusional
thinking, right?
580
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,196
Right.
581
00:32:17,196 --> 00:32:18,675
Those are those thoughts
that you have in your mind
582
00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:19,589
that you know aren't real
583
00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:20,851
but that are so
overwhelming to you
584
00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:23,898
that you can't deal with them.
585
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,292
They're very,
very frustrating
586
00:32:26,292 --> 00:32:28,598
and anxiety-provoking
for you, right?
587
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:30,426
Right.
588
00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:32,211
I feel that people are talking
behind my back and all that.
589
00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:33,255
Yeah.
590
00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:34,648
And it's over...
591
00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:36,606
That they
hate me.Yeah.
592
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:37,956
But people don't
hate you here.
593
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,132
You know we've
treated you well
594
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:43,178
and that you've
done well and that -
595
00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,788
I'm trying my best,
596
00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:48,792
but it's been like a month
since I've had any sleep.
597
00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:50,142
Carole?
598
00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,621
Carole?
599
00:32:51,621 --> 00:32:54,711
You're just having
a bad day, right?
600
00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:56,191
Everybody's...
601
00:32:56,191 --> 00:33:00,456
Listen, everybody's allowed
to have a bad day, it's okay.
602
00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:01,892
I know but only one.
603
00:33:01,892 --> 00:33:06,245
It's okay.
604
00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:20,259
[♪♪♪]
605
00:33:20,259 --> 00:33:22,348
MIKE:
Stewart is my last name.
606
00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:25,220
Mike is my first name.
607
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:29,616
And my room is -
I'll let you see my room here.
608
00:33:29,616 --> 00:33:33,750
It's not in great order
but it's in order.
609
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,535
Okay, you need to
do a walkabout?
610
00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:36,144
I need to do
a walkabout.Okay, let's go.
611
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:41,932
Alrighty.
612
00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:55,685
[♪♪♪]
613
00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,906
I have this thing here -
614
00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:02,562
is my privacy curtain.
615
00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:05,826
It's mainly to be
used at night time
616
00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:08,176
because they can walk by.
617
00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,178
"Oh, he's in his bed,
that's great." You know?
618
00:34:10,178 --> 00:34:13,573
But any time any passing
person can take a peek in,
619
00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:16,837
so you just have to
understand that the privacy,
620
00:34:16,837 --> 00:34:19,883
it's pretty good but,
621
00:34:19,883 --> 00:34:21,494
you know,
be decent.
622
00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:59,967
[♪♪♪]
623
00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:02,056
CHARLES: What we're supposed to
do now is mark down on here
624
00:35:02,056 --> 00:35:04,493
what each individual
was doing,
625
00:35:04,493 --> 00:35:06,191
where they were,
626
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:08,671
and what they were doing
at that specific time.
627
00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:28,126
DR. GRAY:
My impression is that the family
628
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,779
still is somewhat fearful
about him
629
00:35:29,779 --> 00:35:32,956
because of the past.
630
00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:34,915
And he has a history of
violence against his parents,
631
00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:36,873
so it's not just the parents -
632
00:35:36,873 --> 00:35:38,571
There are siblings, too,
633
00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:40,703
and I really don't think
they'd want him,
634
00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,357
at any point,
living back in their house.
635
00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:46,013
A lot of people want
to be with their family
636
00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,884
and they don't want to hear
that they don't want you back,
637
00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,409
or they're fearful of you.
638
00:35:58,852 --> 00:36:01,071
SAL: On the street
I have friends, you know?
639
00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:03,073
Friend, you know what I mean?
640
00:36:03,073 --> 00:36:05,206
Like, I just miss that.
641
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:11,647
Nobody, like no -
not anybody talks to me,
642
00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:15,260
the staff doesn't talk to me,
the patients don't talk to me.
643
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:17,436
Nobody talks to me, you know?
644
00:36:17,436 --> 00:36:19,786
I wonder, why aren't these
people talking to me?
645
00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:22,484
And I don't know,
646
00:36:22,484 --> 00:36:25,226
I just don't know
what to do, you know?
647
00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:27,185
I go out and talk to them,
you know?
648
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:27,881
You want to have a coffee?
649
00:36:27,881 --> 00:36:30,231
You want this and that,
650
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,320
go for a coffee
in the community,
651
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,584
or do you want to go for
a smoke or something?
652
00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:37,020
I'm not going out.
653
00:36:44,419 --> 00:36:46,769
SAL: Before, I would
have this friend here,
654
00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,249
and we would always talk
and go for a smoke,
655
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:50,904
or I lent him money
and we'd walk around
656
00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:52,645
and go to the
benches and smoke.
657
00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:58,390
And lately he hasn't been
coming out and talking to me.
658
00:36:58,390 --> 00:37:00,174
Greg!
Where are you going, Greg?
659
00:37:07,007 --> 00:37:09,270
So you going to talk,
stand out here and talk,
660
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:12,621
or are you going
to go in there?
661
00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:14,144
Fuck.
662
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:18,584
I can't go in there, man.
663
00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:20,368
He would always tell me,
ever since I got here,
664
00:37:20,368 --> 00:37:22,631
"You're my best friend,
you're my best friend."
665
00:37:22,631 --> 00:37:24,285
And now I don't know
what to do, you know?
666
00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:26,548
I worry - He never just
comes and sits down,
667
00:37:26,548 --> 00:37:31,423
has a smoke and
talk to me no more.
668
00:37:31,423 --> 00:37:34,208
But other people I talk to,
669
00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:35,557
like I talk to them
for a little bit,
670
00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:39,082
then all of a sudden they
start staying alone, right?
671
00:37:39,082 --> 00:37:40,693
I want to get a necklace too.
672
00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:42,216
I don't got a necklace.
673
00:37:42,216 --> 00:37:44,392
I got a watch.
674
00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:49,310
SAL:
What am I supposed to do?
675
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:51,269
I don't know.
676
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,314
GREG:
Later man.
677
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,673
SAL: I was a little bit
depressed at first,
678
00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:06,414
but when I started
going to the gym.
679
00:38:06,414 --> 00:38:08,547
I felt better because,
you know,
680
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:13,291
it made me feel
better about myself.
681
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,467
So I guess that
was a big help,
682
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,513
or it is a big help,
still going now, so...
683
00:38:30,264 --> 00:38:35,225
♪ Oh, give me a home
684
00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:39,795
♪ where the deer and
the antelope roam. ♪
685
00:38:39,795 --> 00:38:44,060
♪ Where seldom is heard
a discouraging word ♪
686
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:48,848
♪ and skies are not
cloudy all day. ♪
687
00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:52,678
♪ Oh give me a home where
688
00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:56,072
♪ the deer and the
antelope play. ♪
689
00:38:56,072 --> 00:39:00,076
♪ Where seldom is heard
a discouraging word ♪
690
00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:03,471
♪ and the skies are
all cloudy all day. ♪
691
00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:17,442
I'm listening to the radio.
692
00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:20,358
Because it's loud,
I can't concentrate on the TV.
693
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:23,491
I can't concentrate on the
TV when that is playing.
694
00:39:23,491 --> 00:39:24,927
It's hard for me.
695
00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:27,016
SHARRON: Did Xavier come down
and talk about this earlier?
696
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:28,583
Yes, and he turns it back
up when the staff leaves.
697
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:31,325
That's not fair.
698
00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:33,545
SHARRON: If we don't deal
with the situation
699
00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:36,330
the way that she
feels we should,
700
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:37,897
it gets ramped up
to the next degree.
701
00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:40,421
I know, but I'm not -
702
00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,989
Am I doing
something wrong?SHARRON: No.
703
00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:45,165
Get those two girls
the fuck out of here.
704
00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:46,558
I mean, put them downstairs
and get 'em out of there.
705
00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:48,777
They're not my type.
706
00:39:48,777 --> 00:39:50,388
That's what he said
this morning too.
707
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,606
So just stay away
from them for now
708
00:39:51,606 --> 00:39:53,042
and then we'll see how -
709
00:39:53,042 --> 00:39:54,696
Tell them not to come near me.
710
00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:55,654
It made me cry.
711
00:39:55,654 --> 00:39:56,524
I'm going mad.
712
00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:58,526
Fuck, you know?
713
00:39:58,526 --> 00:39:59,527
Going fuckin' mad.
714
00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:00,789
Fuckin' mad.
715
00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:04,140
What was going on?
716
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,753
Dr.Gray and Sharry came
to talk to us about Al
717
00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:10,625
because he's upset that
there's females on the unit.
718
00:40:10,625 --> 00:40:12,366
Those girls are sick.
719
00:40:12,366 --> 00:40:14,368
Somebody else's
fuckin' problem.
720
00:40:14,368 --> 00:40:15,717
I don't want this
fuckin' problem.
721
00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:17,545
I got my own fuckin' problems.
722
00:40:17,545 --> 00:40:18,807
Al, if I talk to them
723
00:40:18,807 --> 00:40:20,592
and keep talking to them
to stay away from you,
724
00:40:20,592 --> 00:40:23,333
can you guarantee me you're
not going to hit one of them?
725
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,597
I didn't hit them.I know you didn't.
726
00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:28,556
You didn't -
you did really well.
727
00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:31,603
But I don't want to
see you hit one of them.
728
00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:39,828
SHARRON: She's very
attention seeking, very -
729
00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:40,829
If she doesn't get the
attention she wants,
730
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:44,137
she can be very self-abusive.
731
00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:45,617
Hey Nancy?
732
00:40:45,617 --> 00:40:47,183
Yeah?
733
00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:49,577
These have been in for a week.
734
00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:51,884
Do you think you
can take 'em out?
735
00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:53,494
Which one's that one?
736
00:40:53,494 --> 00:40:54,974
These ones.
737
00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:56,323
They've been in
for eight days.
738
00:40:56,323 --> 00:41:00,719
They're only supposed
to be in for a week.
739
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,766
Sometimes I do things
to get an adrenaline rush...
740
00:41:06,942 --> 00:41:08,727
like cut myself.
741
00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:14,689
NANCY: Well, frankly
we're quite concerned about her
742
00:41:14,689 --> 00:41:18,954
and her recent
self-harm attempts.
743
00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:21,043
She would come to us
744
00:41:21,043 --> 00:41:22,262
and say she really
doesn't feel well.
745
00:41:22,262 --> 00:41:25,570
We'd ask her in what way
you don't feel well?
746
00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:27,615
She feels like
cutting herself.
747
00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:30,009
She's told us
she craves this -
748
00:41:30,009 --> 00:41:33,969
it's like an addiction and
she just has to satisfy this.
749
00:41:33,969 --> 00:41:36,406
And she'll keep
wanting to do it
750
00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:38,408
until she actually does it.
751
00:41:38,408 --> 00:41:40,498
And then she's -
752
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:43,326
We've had four different
cutting episodes,
753
00:41:43,326 --> 00:41:46,895
quite deep gashes on her arm.
754
00:41:46,895 --> 00:41:50,725
KASTNER:
Boy, you sure hurt yourself, eh?
755
00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:53,685
I didn't do it as
deep this time.
756
00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:55,382
That one was a bad one.
757
00:41:55,382 --> 00:41:57,471
KASTNER:
Wow.
758
00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,255
Lots of stitches there.
759
00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:00,822
So deep, in fact,
760
00:42:00,822 --> 00:42:01,736
that it's way below
the skin layer
761
00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:04,609
and below the fat layer,
762
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:08,438
and down to the muscle layer.
763
00:42:08,438 --> 00:42:10,528
KASTNER: And is that
serious-serious?
764
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:13,008
Is that a serious attempt or -
I mean, some people I know -
765
00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:15,750
Just hurt myself.
766
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:17,926
And why do you
think you do that?
767
00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:21,713
Mm...
768
00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:25,064
Feels good sometimes.
769
00:42:25,064 --> 00:42:28,415
I have borderline personality
disorder and hypochondriac.
770
00:42:28,415 --> 00:42:30,548
I don't know what the
proper term is for it.
771
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,941
KASTNER: What is borderline
personality disorder exactly?
772
00:42:32,941 --> 00:42:38,164
It's behavioural difficulties.
773
00:42:38,164 --> 00:42:42,168
They take a lot of risks
and stuff like that and...
774
00:42:42,168 --> 00:42:45,954
DR. JAMES:
Some people say that every
775
00:42:45,954 --> 00:42:48,087
branch of medicine
has its fatal disease.
776
00:42:48,087 --> 00:42:51,177
And for psychiatry,
some people figure
777
00:42:51,177 --> 00:42:53,962
that borderline personality
is the fatal disease.
778
00:42:53,962 --> 00:42:56,704
KASTNER:
What does that mean?Untreatable.
779
00:42:56,704 --> 00:42:58,924
I lit fire downstairs.
780
00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:02,362
Um...
781
00:43:02,362 --> 00:43:07,019
'cause I was mad at a staff
so that was pretty impulsive.
782
00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:11,763
Lit fire to my pillow.
783
00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:14,896
PA: Please come to
the med room for your meds.
784
00:43:14,896 --> 00:43:19,684
Meds at the medicine room.
785
00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,121
CAROL:
Step right up, sir.
786
00:43:28,867 --> 00:43:32,914
NURSE: There's Catherine.
Can I do you, Catherine?
787
00:43:32,914 --> 00:43:36,918
MIKE:
Generally there will be -
788
00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:39,399
four times a day -
they will dispense medication.
789
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,058
One of the things
I take is Clozapine,
790
00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:50,323
and it's an anti-psychotic.
791
00:43:50,323 --> 00:43:52,281
If I stop taking it,
792
00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:53,979
there's a very good chance
793
00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,155
that some of
the big problems
794
00:43:56,155 --> 00:43:58,679
that I used to have
coping with -
795
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,290
my illness could
very well return.
796
00:44:05,381 --> 00:44:07,906
And they tell me that
each relapse you suffer
797
00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:12,214
does additional damage...
798
00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:14,042
to your brain.
799
00:44:18,786 --> 00:44:20,788
The thing about
medications are
800
00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:24,792
we have a legal right
to refuse.
801
00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:26,707
If you decide
that the medication
802
00:44:26,707 --> 00:44:29,797
isn't working for you
803
00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:33,192
or
that it's harming you, perhaps,
804
00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:37,413
you are legally
entitled to do that.
805
00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:41,069
Also there are people
that will take the pills
806
00:44:41,069 --> 00:44:45,683
and just keep them
under their tongue.
807
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,033
They swallow the water,
808
00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:50,513
and then they'll turn and
they'll spit the pills away.
809
00:44:53,908 --> 00:44:56,824
If patients are
refusing medication,
810
00:44:56,824 --> 00:45:00,045
and they start to decline in
811
00:45:00,045 --> 00:45:02,047
their functioning and
in their wellness,
812
00:45:02,047 --> 00:45:05,398
then some of the older methods
813
00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:09,228
of coping with mental
patients comes into play.
814
00:45:14,494 --> 00:45:19,804
♪ Old McDonald had a farm,
E, I, E, I, O. ♪
815
00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:23,416
♪ And on that farm he had a pig,
E, I, E, I, O. ♪
816
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:26,854
♪ With an oink oink here
and an oink oink there, ♪
817
00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:29,335
♪ here an oink,
everywhere an oink oink, ♪
818
00:45:29,335 --> 00:45:33,992
♪ Old McDonald had a farm,
E, I, E, I, O. ♪
819
00:45:33,992 --> 00:45:36,908
EARLE: I remember when
she came here in 2005,
820
00:45:36,908 --> 00:45:39,737
she was like a wild animal.
821
00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,358
And she was in
five point restraints
822
00:45:52,358 --> 00:45:57,102
because she was so wild
and out of control.
823
00:45:57,102 --> 00:46:00,496
And in two years
she was stabilized
824
00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:03,499
and she was the best that
we could possibly do with her.
825
00:46:03,499 --> 00:46:05,501
Her risk was low enough
826
00:46:05,501 --> 00:46:07,547
to get her back out
in the community.
827
00:46:07,547 --> 00:46:10,942
And we had high hopes for her.
828
00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:13,988
I really missed you.
What happened to you?
829
00:46:13,988 --> 00:46:15,381
Oh, how are you?
830
00:46:15,381 --> 00:46:18,514
EARLE: I'll tell you,
I've seen Carole at her best.
831
00:46:18,514 --> 00:46:21,082
And if she's encouraged,
it's very encouraging
832
00:46:21,082 --> 00:46:22,997
for me and the other
staff to see how she does.
833
00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:23,868
I'm good.
834
00:46:23,868 --> 00:46:25,521
Are you okay?I'm good.
835
00:46:25,521 --> 00:46:29,699
Hey, Carole.
836
00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:32,354
EARLE:
She can be kind.
837
00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:36,184
She can come up and
give you compliments.
838
00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,230
Yeah, that was fun.
839
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:41,102
EARLE:
But on the flip side of that,
840
00:46:41,102 --> 00:46:42,582
ten minutes later
she'll come up
841
00:46:42,582 --> 00:46:43,539
and call you a cocksucker,
842
00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:45,454
and say she hopes
that your kids die
843
00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:49,894
and she hopes that you crash
your car on the way home.
844
00:46:56,988 --> 00:46:58,206
I remember one morning
she came up to me -
845
00:46:58,206 --> 00:47:02,689
it was about
5:00 in the morning -
846
00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:04,952
and she called me a
cocksucker and hated me,
847
00:47:04,952 --> 00:47:07,259
and she was kicking
out the door
848
00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:07,999
and punching at the door.
849
00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:10,915
And as she walked
away she said,
850
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:13,265
"You raped me,
you raped me!
851
00:47:13,265 --> 00:47:15,310
You came into my room
at night and raped me!"
852
00:47:19,662 --> 00:47:22,448
So I reported that,
documented it.
853
00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:25,103
And I thought that it might
not go any further than that.
854
00:47:25,103 --> 00:47:26,800
But it did.
855
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,976
She talked to Dr. James,
856
00:47:28,976 --> 00:47:32,893
and it was
investigated further.
857
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:34,112
What I heard is
858
00:47:34,112 --> 00:47:36,941
you went running
down the hallways yelling,
859
00:47:36,941 --> 00:47:37,767
"Rape, rape!
He raped me!"
860
00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,292
And -I said that?
861
00:47:40,292 --> 00:47:42,381
That's what I heard.
862
00:47:42,381 --> 00:47:43,991
EARLE:
It has to be investigated
863
00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:47,908
because these people
are vulnerable
864
00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:50,824
and things like that
sometimes do happen,
865
00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:51,694
and they've happened
in the past.
866
00:47:51,694 --> 00:47:54,567
I didn't say that though.
867
00:47:54,567 --> 00:47:56,612
DR. JAMES: Okay, well,
that's what I had heard.
868
00:47:56,612 --> 00:48:00,399
And with the way
things are in society,
869
00:48:00,399 --> 00:48:04,446
it can really put staff,
especially male staff,
870
00:48:04,446 --> 00:48:06,535
in a really
difficult position.
871
00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:09,538
No, I never said that.
872
00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:10,583
I think he heard wrong.
873
00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:11,671
Maybe I said
something different,
874
00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:13,281
but I didn't say that.
875
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,893
Okay. I'll look back
in the chart as well,
876
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:17,024
but that's what I -
877
00:48:17,024 --> 00:48:18,765
Or he could have heard
somebody else's voice
878
00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:20,506
that sounded like me,
I don't know.
879
00:48:20,506 --> 00:48:21,420
I never said he raped me.
880
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,552
Okay.
881
00:48:23,552 --> 00:48:24,640
Never, I swear to God.
882
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,467
Honest to God,
I'll shake your hand on it.
883
00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:27,600
Okay...
884
00:48:47,272 --> 00:48:52,668
Do you ever come down here
aside from visits, Mike?
885
00:48:55,367 --> 00:48:58,544
Um, not really.
886
00:49:03,288 --> 00:49:06,465
NANCY: Following this
attack on the mother,
887
00:49:06,465 --> 00:49:11,426
Mr. Stewart then called
911 at about 4:05 PM.
888
00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:21,132
[♪♪♪]
889
00:49:21,132 --> 00:49:24,004
He was found in the house
when the police arrived.
890
00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:27,312
He was then arrested,
escorted out of the house,
891
00:49:27,312 --> 00:49:32,186
and transported to the
Renfrew OPP office.
892
00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:35,755
He remains reluctant
to discuss this in detail
893
00:49:35,755 --> 00:49:38,627
as he reports that he
finds the whole incident
894
00:49:38,627 --> 00:49:41,543
difficult to discuss
at this time.
895
00:49:41,543 --> 00:49:47,288
KASTNER: Do you ever talk
with family about what happened?
896
00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:51,336
We talk about other things.
897
00:49:51,336 --> 00:49:53,729
It's the hypersensitivity
to social situations.
898
00:49:53,729 --> 00:49:56,732
So he stays with staff.
899
00:49:56,732 --> 00:49:59,779
He's worried about going
into the community
900
00:49:59,779 --> 00:50:02,129
because he thinks
people know
901
00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:04,175
who he is
and what happened.
902
00:50:04,175 --> 00:50:05,828
SUSAN JANSMAN:
How do we get him past that?
903
00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:07,526
How do we get him -
904
00:50:07,526 --> 00:50:11,138
Who do we have in
our team that can get him...
905
00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,749
I don't think he wants
to talk about it.
906
00:50:13,749 --> 00:50:15,534
I mean...
907
00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:16,752
I don't want to
stir up something
908
00:50:16,752 --> 00:50:18,493
that's not going to...
909
00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:20,930
I mean,
I think for the moment -
910
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:22,019
Let's leave it and
see where he goes with it.
911
00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:33,073
Okay, I'm ready
to make a confession.
912
00:50:33,073 --> 00:50:37,469
And my confession
is that I, ah...
913
00:50:37,469 --> 00:50:40,167
I kind of lied
when I said that Mark -
914
00:50:40,167 --> 00:50:45,172
that I didn't say that
Mark raped me,
915
00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:50,177
because I did say
that Mark raped me.
916
00:50:50,177 --> 00:50:53,267
But I didn't remember
having said that.
917
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,316
INTERVIEWER:
Did Mr. Earle ever touch you
918
00:50:58,316 --> 00:51:00,405
inappropriately or rape you?
919
00:51:00,405 --> 00:51:03,190
No. It was all in my mind.
It was voices.
920
00:51:12,678 --> 00:51:14,984
NANCY: I do believe that
the female patients here
921
00:51:14,984 --> 00:51:18,118
do cause more turmoil.
922
00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:20,686
They can be quite aggressive
in their acting out.
923
00:51:20,686 --> 00:51:23,341
Banging on walls,
924
00:51:23,341 --> 00:51:25,212
actually putting holes
in walls, too.
925
00:51:25,212 --> 00:51:27,301
It's incredible to imagine
926
00:51:27,301 --> 00:51:28,868
that a female patient
could do that,
927
00:51:28,868 --> 00:51:30,348
but it really does happen.
928
00:51:30,348 --> 00:51:33,829
KASTNER:
Who did that?That would be Carole.
929
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:37,050
I used the palm of my...
930
00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:40,749
the ball of my hand tosmuck right into the wall.
931
00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:43,970
And I went like that
932
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:47,104
with force until I
933
00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:51,020
punched a holeabout that deep.
934
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:53,327
And then I turned to the wall
935
00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:57,766
and people were alittle bit scared of me.
936
00:51:57,766 --> 00:52:02,554
This is hole number one.
937
00:52:02,554 --> 00:52:06,732
Hole number two.
938
00:52:06,732 --> 00:52:11,650
And hole number threeand hole number four.
939
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:14,392
KASTNER:And did you injure yourself?
940
00:52:14,392 --> 00:52:16,437
No.
941
00:52:16,437 --> 00:52:18,309
Your hand didn't hurtafter punching four holes?
942
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:22,139
It stung a bitbut I didn't hurt myself.
943
00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:24,793
I didn't cut myselfor anything.
944
00:52:24,793 --> 00:52:27,144
NANCY: But Carole,
she's outstanding
945
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,493
for putting holes
through walls.
946
00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:31,539
We don't quite know how she
had the strength to do it,
947
00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:33,628
but somehow she did.
948
00:52:33,628 --> 00:52:36,109
KASTNER: Have you everseriously injured anybody?
949
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:38,416
Not seriously, no.
950
00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:40,679
What's the worst thatyou've done in a fight?
951
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,072
Give them a black eye.
952
00:52:43,072 --> 00:52:44,770
That's the worst
physical injury
953
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:45,771
you've inflicted on anybody?
954
00:52:45,771 --> 00:52:50,471
Yes. Absolutely.
955
00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:52,865
Oh, they're cans?
956
00:52:52,865 --> 00:52:55,911
I ordered bottles.
957
00:52:55,911 --> 00:52:59,306
I ordered bottles.
958
00:52:59,306 --> 00:53:02,004
I ordered bottles.
959
00:53:02,004 --> 00:53:04,877
NANCY: She was the most
challenging patient by far,
960
00:53:04,877 --> 00:53:08,272
considered by all the staff.
961
00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:12,101
[Justine giggling]
962
00:53:17,368 --> 00:53:20,066
Me and Ashley Smith liked
963
00:53:20,066 --> 00:53:25,245
to tie strings
around our neck.
964
00:53:25,245 --> 00:53:29,075
Mostly to probably catch
the attention of staff.
965
00:53:33,297 --> 00:53:36,300
NANCY:
We were also really concerned
966
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,172
about a recent incident
967
00:53:39,172 --> 00:53:41,479
where she'd
torn up a facecloth
968
00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:46,745
and tied it together
to make herself a ligature.
969
00:53:46,745 --> 00:53:49,835
Tied it tightly
around her neck,
970
00:53:49,835 --> 00:53:52,490
and tried to strangle herself.
971
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:55,841
She was -
972
00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:58,757
When staff found her on the
floor in the shower room,
973
00:53:58,757 --> 00:54:01,847
she was blue and
not responding
974
00:54:01,847 --> 00:54:05,503
to our verbal commands.
975
00:54:05,503 --> 00:54:06,982
So we called a code blue,
976
00:54:06,982 --> 00:54:09,768
as we call it here
in the hospital,
977
00:54:09,768 --> 00:54:12,118
and staff ran
978
00:54:12,118 --> 00:54:15,513
and we brought a
noose-cutter to that area,
979
00:54:15,513 --> 00:54:20,387
and they used it to cut
the ligature off her neck.
980
00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:23,477
After that was removed,
981
00:54:23,477 --> 00:54:24,870
the colour started
to return to her face
982
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:28,308
and she started to respond.
983
00:54:28,308 --> 00:54:32,356
We thought it was
a close call
984
00:54:32,356 --> 00:54:36,011
and we're always
watching for the next time.
985
00:54:36,011 --> 00:54:40,712
It was mostly because
when you tie
986
00:54:40,712 --> 00:54:44,019
a string around your neck
you get really dizzy,
987
00:54:44,019 --> 00:54:47,414
and the feeling of
988
00:54:47,414 --> 00:54:50,852
being passed out feels good.
989
00:54:50,852 --> 00:54:54,203
It's like almost
like a high.
990
00:54:54,203 --> 00:54:58,207
And that's what
I was looking for -
991
00:54:58,207 --> 00:55:02,647
that feeling that you get
when you almost die.
992
00:55:02,647 --> 00:55:07,652
I like that feeling.
993
00:55:07,652 --> 00:55:09,523
We did save her life.
994
00:55:09,523 --> 00:55:11,569
We did save her life.
995
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:15,094
Yeah.
996
00:55:15,094 --> 00:55:18,097
And we know that
it's all a matter of time
997
00:55:18,097 --> 00:55:20,273
with these strangulation
attempts and so on.
998
00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:23,581
Sometimes it's just
in a matter of time
999
00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:27,933
if we save them or not.
1000
00:55:27,933 --> 00:56:09,366
[♪♪♪]
1001
00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:11,324
KASTNER:You're the fastest smoker
1002
00:56:11,324 --> 00:56:13,370
I've ever seen in my life.
1003
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:14,936
I saw one in Montreala lot faster than me.
1004
00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:17,896
John, one of my friends, eh?
1005
00:56:17,896 --> 00:56:23,380
Used to smoke like that!
1006
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:27,122
At least you don't waste
a cigarette that way, eh?
1007
00:56:47,752 --> 00:56:51,190
KASTNER: How did it start
with you and Sal?
1008
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:54,802
CAROLE:
I was attracted to him at first.
1009
00:56:54,802 --> 00:56:57,762
That he
was a good-looking, handsome guy
1010
00:56:57,762 --> 00:57:00,895
and that he was a gentleman.
1011
00:57:00,895 --> 00:57:05,552
I didn't know him very well
but he would go like that,
1012
00:57:05,552 --> 00:57:10,514
put my hair over
my ear like that.
1013
00:57:10,514 --> 00:57:15,562
He'd go like that,
sort of mess up my hair.
1014
00:57:15,562 --> 00:57:20,001
And then he asked me if
I wanted to go out with him.
1015
00:57:27,922 --> 00:57:29,533
KASTNER:
What about girls?
1016
00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:32,187
You had a relationship
with a young lady here?
1017
00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:33,711
I have had a
relationship with her.
1018
00:57:33,711 --> 00:57:36,670
KASTNER:
That's Carole.
1019
00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:40,457
SAL:
Carole...
1020
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,763
KASTNER: It's an open secret
that there is sexual activity
1021
00:57:42,763 --> 00:57:45,113
between some of the patients.
1022
00:57:45,113 --> 00:57:47,899
The patients are not allowed
in each other's rooms?
1023
00:57:47,899 --> 00:57:50,989
No.Where does this
activity happen?
1024
00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:52,860
[Laughs]
1025
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:54,993
We both had
the same reaction!
1026
00:57:54,993 --> 00:57:56,821
Everywhere else.
1027
00:57:56,821 --> 00:57:57,735
Everywhere and anywhere
and unbeknownst to us.
1028
00:57:57,735 --> 00:58:00,955
We try not to catch them.
1029
00:58:00,955 --> 00:58:04,002
We can't allow it
on the ward.
1030
00:58:04,002 --> 00:58:04,568
ANGELA:
When's your birthday?
1031
00:58:04,568 --> 00:58:06,961
SAL:
November.
1032
00:58:06,961 --> 00:58:08,963
November?Yeah.
1033
00:58:08,963 --> 00:58:09,703
Shaved your head.Yeah, you like it?
1034
00:58:09,703 --> 00:58:12,619
Yeah, it looks good.
1035
00:58:12,619 --> 00:58:14,534
DR. BRADFORD:
We don't encourage it,
1036
00:58:14,534 --> 00:58:16,710
but we realize it's
going to happen.
1037
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,016
I mean,
once people have access
1038
00:58:18,016 --> 00:58:20,671
to the community and
have freedom -
1039
00:58:20,671 --> 00:58:21,410
or even freedom
to go on the grounds
1040
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:24,326
indirectly supervised,
you know,
1041
00:58:24,326 --> 00:58:25,806
there's lots of opportunities
1042
00:58:25,806 --> 00:58:27,939
for some kind of
sexual engagement.
1043
00:58:27,939 --> 00:58:30,942
Well, are they behind
a hedge or something?
1044
00:58:30,942 --> 00:58:32,204
DEBBIE:
Or in the middle of the lawn.
1045
00:58:32,204 --> 00:58:35,773
Behind a hedge is
considered discrete here.
1046
00:58:35,773 --> 00:58:37,514
Oh, yeah.
1047
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:38,558
We've had patients
do it on the ward
1048
00:58:38,558 --> 00:58:40,604
that we didn't know
about till the bed broke.
1049
00:58:40,604 --> 00:58:43,041
[Laughs]
1050
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:45,522
Honest to God,
it's like, Bang! "Uh-oh."
1051
00:58:52,616 --> 00:58:56,315
♪ Sun's shining today.
1052
00:58:56,315 --> 00:58:59,971
My baby is looking at me.
1053
00:58:59,971 --> 00:59:04,192
♪ And I'm a-lookin'
at him right now, ♪
1054
00:59:04,192 --> 00:59:09,546
♪ making him smile,
making him laugh and giggle. ♪
1055
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:13,593
♪ Just like a jigsaw puzzle.
1056
00:59:13,593 --> 00:59:17,641
♪ This song I made up,
so don't get me wrong, ♪
1057
00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:21,383
♪ I know my own song,
if you know what I mean. ♪
1058
00:59:21,383 --> 00:59:25,736
♪ You're the one for me,
oh yeah, for sure. ♪
1059
00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:27,476
♪ He knows who
I'm talking about. ♪
1060
00:59:27,476 --> 00:59:30,088
[Giggles]
1061
00:59:35,484 --> 00:59:39,314
Yeah, music is
a wonderful thing.
1062
00:59:39,314 --> 00:59:42,927
You know,
it's a form of expression.
1063
00:59:42,927 --> 00:59:45,016
Anyways, I'm going in,
it's too cold.
1064
00:59:53,851 --> 00:59:56,418
DR. BRADFORD: It's not
unusual in schizophrenia
1065
00:59:56,418 --> 01:00:00,205
for people to
have ambivalence.
1066
01:00:00,205 --> 01:00:01,989
So what happens,
1067
01:00:01,989 --> 01:00:03,425
people have a certain
level of comfort.
1068
01:00:03,425 --> 01:00:05,427
They're willing
to do something,
1069
01:00:05,427 --> 01:00:07,255
and then they
become ambivalent
1070
01:00:07,255 --> 01:00:10,041
and they withdraw again.
1071
01:00:10,041 --> 01:00:13,218
WHALEN:
We were talking, Mike, about,
1072
01:00:13,218 --> 01:00:14,698
you know, not right now,
1073
01:00:14,698 --> 01:00:18,005
but looking down the road
maybe in a few months or that,
1074
01:00:18,005 --> 01:00:21,095
possible
community placement options.
1075
01:00:21,095 --> 01:00:24,272
Now, we're lucky,
with your disposition,
1076
01:00:24,272 --> 01:00:26,666
that we have all options open.
1077
01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:27,928
You know, anywhere
from group home
1078
01:00:27,928 --> 01:00:31,192
to independent living
to co-op.
1079
01:00:31,192 --> 01:00:33,542
Is that something
you'd be ready for
1080
01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:35,719
in the next couple of months,
do you think?
1081
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:39,679
Well I don't...
1082
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,420
I'd...
1083
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:42,900
I'd just like to...
1084
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:45,250
Well, it's hard to say.
1085
01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:49,167
I, uh, I...
1086
01:00:49,167 --> 01:00:50,559
WHALEN:
How about - You know what -
1087
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,693
In a couple of weeks we go
out and look at the co-ops?
1088
01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:55,477
A couple of weeks?
1089
01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:57,001
Yeah.
1090
01:00:57,001 --> 01:00:59,699
Just look, not to move in,
nothing like that.
1091
01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:01,962
Or if you want,
we could do it next month.
1092
01:01:01,962 --> 01:01:04,051
I'll get a car...
1093
01:01:04,051 --> 01:01:07,141
I don't know why
we're going so quick.
1094
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,855
There was another girl
I wanted to be my girlfriend -
1095
01:01:24,855 --> 01:01:27,074
Justine.
Do you know who Justine is?
1096
01:01:27,074 --> 01:01:29,337
She wanted to be
my girlfriend too.
1097
01:01:29,337 --> 01:01:31,426
KASTNER:
You dated Sal for awhile.
1098
01:01:31,426 --> 01:01:33,602
Me?
1099
01:01:33,602 --> 01:01:35,604
We didn't really date,
we just kind of -
1100
01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:38,912
It was just kind of a fling.
1101
01:01:38,912 --> 01:01:42,307
KASTNER:
Did Carole find out about it?
1102
01:01:42,307 --> 01:01:44,004
JUSTINE:
I don't think so, no.
1103
01:01:49,009 --> 01:01:51,185
I didn't get it at 11,
I'm telling you.
1104
01:01:51,185 --> 01:01:54,885
I didn't get it at 11.
1105
01:01:54,885 --> 01:01:56,930
SAL:
I don't want a girlfriend.
1106
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:59,454
It's just girls ask me if I
want them to be my girlfriends.
1107
01:01:59,454 --> 01:02:02,501
I say okay, but I didn't
do anything, you know?
1108
01:02:02,501 --> 01:02:04,459
Yeah, I don't like her.
1109
01:02:04,459 --> 01:02:06,853
Do you?
1110
01:02:06,853 --> 01:02:08,028
I don't know,
I don't really care about her.
1111
01:02:08,028 --> 01:02:10,248
But I like her
a little bit, yeah.
1112
01:02:10,248 --> 01:02:13,077
I used to buy coffees off her,
dollar a coffee.
1113
01:02:13,077 --> 01:02:15,340
She'd give me cream,
sugar and coffee.
1114
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:19,170
Remember Judy punched
Justine in the head?
1115
01:02:23,783 --> 01:02:26,568
Judy punched me
in the head three times
1116
01:02:26,568 --> 01:02:28,179
and then got put upstairs.
1117
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:37,797
I did call the police on her
when she punched me.
1118
01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:39,103
And they said
she's here for life.
1119
01:02:39,103 --> 01:02:41,670
There's nothing
really we can do.
1120
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:46,501
[Judy laughing]
1121
01:02:46,501 --> 01:02:49,983
It's like her, you know.
1122
01:02:49,983 --> 01:02:50,810
She's a rat-fink.
1123
01:02:50,810 --> 01:02:52,769
She called the cops.
1124
01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:55,597
You're good, you know that.
1125
01:02:55,597 --> 01:02:56,860
I like you.
1126
01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:58,426
Thanks.
1127
01:02:58,426 --> 01:03:01,386
And you're one of the best
boyfriends I've ever had.
1128
01:03:01,386 --> 01:03:03,127
That's cool, thanks.
1129
01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:06,608
Go for a smoke?Wanna go for a smoke?
1130
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:21,188
It was Carole who was jealous
because I was saying hi to Sal.
1131
01:03:21,188 --> 01:03:24,235
And she's like, "You know
that's my boyfriend, right?
1132
01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:26,933
And you need to keep
your hands and your mouth
1133
01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:29,893
and your face away from him
or I'll punch you."
1134
01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:33,200
"Oh, okay.
Didn't know you owned him."
1135
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,507
Give me a kiss?
1136
01:03:35,507 --> 01:03:38,162
Thank you.
1137
01:03:38,162 --> 01:03:39,946
Almost fell on my ass.
1138
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:49,216
And if I understand,
1139
01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:51,001
you were worried
about going home.
1140
01:03:51,001 --> 01:03:52,219
You felt sort of sensitive
so you made a choice
1141
01:03:52,219 --> 01:03:55,309
not to go home this Christmas,
is that right?
1142
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:58,704
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
1143
01:03:58,704 --> 01:04:00,053
Okay.
1144
01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:05,058
The visit, I just -
it would...
1145
01:04:05,058 --> 01:04:09,628
It would be troublesome
and somewhat, uh...
1146
01:04:09,628 --> 01:04:12,239
Like I just...
1147
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,459
Right.
1148
01:04:24,382 --> 01:04:27,341
DAVID:
I think he suffers every day
1149
01:04:27,341 --> 01:04:30,040
from the loss of his life.
1150
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,131
The life that he
could have had.
1151
01:04:34,131 --> 01:04:37,786
He doesn't speak of it much,
1152
01:04:37,786 --> 01:04:40,659
but he has spoken of it
from time to time.
1153
01:04:40,659 --> 01:04:44,793
So I've made strides,
1154
01:04:44,793 --> 01:04:49,146
but I want to make it
so I can hold down -
1155
01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:51,626
Start with, hold down
some kind of a job
1156
01:04:51,626 --> 01:04:55,326
and then see if I can
1157
01:04:55,326 --> 01:04:59,460
try to salvage something here
of my life.
1158
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:03,073
Because I'm a little old
1159
01:05:03,073 --> 01:05:05,989
for college
or university.
1160
01:05:05,989 --> 01:05:07,991
KASTNER:
How old are you?
1161
01:05:07,991 --> 01:05:10,341
I'm 33 years old.
1162
01:05:10,341 --> 01:05:11,646
So that leaves me
with another option, right?
1163
01:05:11,646 --> 01:05:14,562
I can get work.
1164
01:05:14,562 --> 01:05:18,610
Now, I think for someone
1165
01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:21,308
with my limited
qualifications,
1166
01:05:21,308 --> 01:05:22,092
it might have to be
1167
01:05:22,092 --> 01:05:25,443
in something like
retail to start.
1168
01:05:29,316 --> 01:05:31,536
DAVID:
I know that it's there with him.
1169
01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:34,626
He would like to have a life.
1170
01:05:40,327 --> 01:05:43,896
Carole, you've been
here quite awhile.Yeah.
1171
01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:45,854
And you get along well
1172
01:05:45,854 --> 01:05:47,726
with the females that are
on the unit, all the women?
1173
01:05:47,726 --> 01:05:49,946
Well, sometimes I get jealous,
1174
01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,600
because there's one
person we all know
1175
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,516
who tried to steal
my boyfriend.
1176
01:05:55,516 --> 01:05:57,214
That was a no-no.
1177
01:05:57,214 --> 01:05:59,303
I was ready to push
her down the stairs.
1178
01:05:59,303 --> 01:06:00,826
Oh dear.
1179
01:06:00,826 --> 01:06:02,219
Okay.
1180
01:06:02,219 --> 01:06:04,699
[Both laugh]
1181
01:06:04,699 --> 01:06:07,702
That's quite extreme,
isn't it?Yeah.
1182
01:06:10,705 --> 01:06:14,405
CAROLE: And that person said,
"What's your problem?"
1183
01:06:14,405 --> 01:06:17,712
And I went like that
and I almost punched her,
1184
01:06:17,712 --> 01:06:20,193
and she got up and
tried to punch me.
1185
01:06:20,193 --> 01:06:21,542
She flipped a table
1186
01:06:21,542 --> 01:06:23,501
and got me
right in the mid-section.
1187
01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:25,329
Oh, okay.
1188
01:06:25,329 --> 01:06:29,159
And that's why that
table is kind of wobbly.
1189
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:30,638
You know which one I mean.
1190
01:06:30,638 --> 01:06:31,422
Yeah.
1191
01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:34,120
Is it harder for a woman here?
1192
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,949
Yes, it's much harder
for a woman.
1193
01:06:36,949 --> 01:06:39,430
Why is that?
1194
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:42,128
Because there's so many
guys, our hormones are racing.
1195
01:06:46,045 --> 01:06:49,701
Whenever I'm close to my
due date for my injection,
1196
01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:53,357
my hormones have already
gotten the get-go.
1197
01:06:53,357 --> 01:06:55,489
Yeah, yeah.
1198
01:06:55,489 --> 01:07:00,407
So in general you got along
well with all the females?
1199
01:07:00,407 --> 01:07:02,192
Except for one, yeah.Yeah?
1200
01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,510
DR. BRADFORD:
One day he just said,
1201
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:19,209
"I'm ready and I want to go
out into the community."
1202
01:07:19,209 --> 01:07:23,126
And that then gave us
the reason to go ahead.
1203
01:07:23,126 --> 01:07:27,521
MIKE: I have recently
got the privilege
1204
01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,089
where I can go into the
community unescorted,
1205
01:07:30,089 --> 01:07:33,701
but I have to fill
out an itinerary.
1206
01:07:33,701 --> 01:07:34,833
There you are.Okay, thank you.
1207
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,749
Detailing where I'm going,
1208
01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:41,883
what streets I'm taking,
1209
01:07:41,883 --> 01:07:45,931
and the different times I'll be
at the different landmarks.
1210
01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:50,849
It's supposed to be almost
down to the minute.
1211
01:07:50,849 --> 01:07:52,068
There you go, bud.Thanks, Bob.
1212
01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:55,375
We'll see you
in a bit.Yeah.
1213
01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:18,137
DAVID: Doesn't have to
have any supervision,
1214
01:08:18,137 --> 01:08:20,879
doesn't have to
report to anyone,
1215
01:08:20,879 --> 01:08:23,229
doesn't have to
maintain his medication,
1216
01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:24,622
doesn't have to...
1217
01:08:24,622 --> 01:08:28,539
Free as you or I.
1218
01:08:28,539 --> 01:08:29,279
KASTNER:
And what do you think of that?
1219
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,239
Well, I'm speaking
of Michael now
1220
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,807
when I say that
I don't think he should ever
1221
01:08:35,807 --> 01:08:39,941
have an absolute discharge.
1222
01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:42,857
I think he should have
lots and lots of liberty,
1223
01:08:42,857 --> 01:08:46,861
but almost all sufferers
go off their medication.
1224
01:08:46,861 --> 01:08:51,301
He gets ill quite quickly.
1225
01:08:51,301 --> 01:08:53,999
So in his case,
at least,
1226
01:08:53,999 --> 01:08:56,436
I don't think that
an absolute discharge
1227
01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:59,526
should ever be
available to him.
1228
01:09:23,811 --> 01:09:27,075
DEBBIE:
The female patients here,
1229
01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:31,079
all of them just want to be
an ordinary woman.
1230
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,648
They still want
to get married,
1231
01:09:34,648 --> 01:09:37,564
and have children,
and have a house,
1232
01:09:37,564 --> 01:09:41,481
and they have the same
dreams and aspirations.
1233
01:09:41,481 --> 01:09:43,004
And for some reason
1234
01:09:43,004 --> 01:09:45,181
they're all of a
sudden put into
1235
01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:47,226
this position where
everything stops.
1236
01:09:47,226 --> 01:09:50,011
Their whole life and
their dreams change.
1237
01:09:54,886 --> 01:09:57,280
JUSTINE:
I have two girls.
1238
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,543
One's nine and one's seven -
1239
01:09:59,543 --> 01:10:01,022
Jasmine and Angelique.
1240
01:10:01,022 --> 01:10:02,981
I had them when I was younger
1241
01:10:02,981 --> 01:10:03,982
and I was in an
abusive relationship,
1242
01:10:03,982 --> 01:10:07,942
so they took my kids from me.
1243
01:10:07,942 --> 01:10:08,900
KASTNER:
And you had a third child?
1244
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:11,903
Yes, but he died
of Zellweger's -
1245
01:10:11,903 --> 01:10:16,429
but that's a different father.
1246
01:10:18,997 --> 01:10:22,870
I had a cross that had
Alex's ashes in it.
1247
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:26,265
And it was a necklace,
1248
01:10:26,265 --> 01:10:28,224
and it was always
kept close to my heart
1249
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,183
so that he would
always be with me.
1250
01:10:31,183 --> 01:10:33,794
I would show it to you,
1251
01:10:33,794 --> 01:10:37,145
but I got into
a fight the other day
1252
01:10:37,145 --> 01:10:38,321
and she just ripped
it off my neck
1253
01:10:38,321 --> 01:10:41,802
and said, "There, bitch,
now you can suffer."
1254
01:10:59,211 --> 01:11:02,170
It's my favourite bear.
1255
01:11:02,170 --> 01:11:04,085
His name is Sam.
1256
01:11:08,742 --> 01:11:13,530
I named him that.
1257
01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:17,621
So I always wanted a boy
1258
01:11:17,621 --> 01:11:21,668
and my boydied at birth.
1259
01:11:21,668 --> 01:11:25,368
So I thought they gaveme a large teddy bear
1260
01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:29,023
and maybe he wouldtake the pain away.
1261
01:11:29,023 --> 01:11:31,374
So he's been -
1262
01:11:31,374 --> 01:11:36,422
even though he's not real,he still helps me.
1263
01:11:36,422 --> 01:11:40,252
I still snuggle him,hug him and kiss him
1264
01:11:40,252 --> 01:11:42,994
like he was an actual boy.
1265
01:11:42,994 --> 01:11:43,908
It's like thePinocchio story -
1266
01:11:43,908 --> 01:11:46,258
the boy becomes real.
1267
01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:50,610
The wooden doll becomesa real little boy
1268
01:11:50,610 --> 01:11:55,049
because he learnsto stop lying.
1269
01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:04,145
And the boy thathad Pinocchio...
1270
01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:08,149
It was like a doll friend.
1271
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:11,239
Always believedthat he was real.
1272
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:15,592
And he did becomereal in the end.
1273
01:12:15,592 --> 01:12:20,988
I know he'll never become realbut he's still my baby.
1274
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:20,961
[♪♪♪]
1275
01:13:20,961 --> 01:13:24,138
People suffering
from schizophrenia
1276
01:13:24,138 --> 01:13:26,793
and major depression
with psychosis
1277
01:13:26,793 --> 01:13:29,361
kill family members.
1278
01:13:29,361 --> 01:13:32,277
Once they recover,
1279
01:13:32,277 --> 01:13:35,411
they then realize that they've
1280
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:40,328
done this terrible,
terrible thing.
1281
01:13:40,328 --> 01:13:45,029
He still hasn't
forgiven himself.
1282
01:13:45,029 --> 01:13:47,292
I mean,
I see him every week or two,
1283
01:13:47,292 --> 01:13:49,337
I struggle with...
1284
01:13:49,337 --> 01:13:51,339
He knows intellectually
1285
01:13:51,339 --> 01:13:55,082
that he was mentally
ill at the time.
1286
01:13:55,082 --> 01:13:59,086
He has never,
ever forgiven himself.
1287
01:14:02,829 --> 01:14:07,878
PETER: It compounds his sorrow
when he knows that
1288
01:14:07,878 --> 01:14:12,317
we've lost our mom
at his hands as well.
1289
01:14:14,972 --> 01:14:19,150
One could only
imagine the horror
1290
01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:22,022
in those moments
1291
01:14:22,022 --> 01:14:26,984
when he allows himself
to recall that day.
1292
01:14:26,984 --> 01:14:30,335
And I don't know
what would be worse -
1293
01:14:30,335 --> 01:14:32,337
whether the days when
he's perfectly lucid
1294
01:14:32,337 --> 01:14:36,776
are more painful
for him to endure,
1295
01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:40,432
or the days when
he's not well.
1296
01:14:40,432 --> 01:14:42,478
But I can only imagine
1297
01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:44,697
that it's a living hell
1298
01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:48,788
every single day,
1299
01:14:48,788 --> 01:14:53,271
and some days are
worse than others.
1300
01:14:56,796 --> 01:14:58,972
KASTNER: Let me just ask you
before we continue.
1301
01:14:58,972 --> 01:15:00,757
Are you okay?
1302
01:15:00,757 --> 01:15:01,801
Um, I think I'm fine, yeah.
1303
01:15:01,801 --> 01:15:04,804
Okay. you'll say so.
1304
01:15:04,804 --> 01:15:06,937
If you want to stop it,
it's okay.
1305
01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:08,895
It's cool, man.Okay.
1306
01:15:08,895 --> 01:15:10,375
Okay?Okay.
1307
01:15:10,375 --> 01:15:12,203
This is amazing.
1308
01:15:12,203 --> 01:15:13,421
I didn't expect
you to go this far,
1309
01:15:13,421 --> 01:15:18,339
so if it's troubling to you,
if it's upsetting to you,
1310
01:15:18,339 --> 01:15:20,907
you can say that's enough
for today type of thing.
1311
01:15:20,907 --> 01:15:23,649
We can proceed.Okay, alright.
1312
01:15:23,649 --> 01:15:25,085
Thank you.
1313
01:15:31,178 --> 01:15:36,096
It was foggy
in the beginning.
1314
01:15:36,096 --> 01:15:41,232
Um, I uh...
1315
01:15:41,232 --> 01:15:46,063
I had trouble
accepting my...
1316
01:15:46,063 --> 01:15:48,892
diagnosis.
1317
01:15:48,892 --> 01:15:51,982
And uh...
1318
01:15:51,982 --> 01:15:55,072
I...
1319
01:15:55,072 --> 01:15:58,815
there was a time...
1320
01:15:58,815 --> 01:16:03,559
when I had...
1321
01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,910
things were all well with
basically anyone that I knew.
1322
01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:09,347
I didn't really have enemies.
1323
01:16:09,347 --> 01:16:13,699
And then...
1324
01:16:13,699 --> 01:16:16,267
I didn't have any enemies.
1325
01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:19,749
So why would I...
1326
01:16:19,749 --> 01:16:23,143
do something like this
1327
01:16:23,143 --> 01:16:28,018
to someone that...
1328
01:16:28,018 --> 01:16:29,933
I -
it's...
1329
01:16:29,933 --> 01:16:33,371
It's...
1330
01:16:39,029 --> 01:16:41,988
Like right after,
1331
01:16:41,988 --> 01:16:44,382
like we're talking days,
1332
01:16:44,382 --> 01:16:49,822
I was calling them and
asking for forgiveness.
1333
01:16:49,822 --> 01:16:51,258
Days.
1334
01:16:51,258 --> 01:16:56,916
Like, it would be
weird because I would,
1335
01:16:56,916 --> 01:17:00,006
if I was feeling
particularly bad,
1336
01:17:00,006 --> 01:17:02,443
I would call my dad
or my sister,
1337
01:17:02,443 --> 01:17:04,663
something like that,
1338
01:17:04,663 --> 01:17:08,667
and I would just say,
"I'm feeling horrible."
1339
01:17:08,667 --> 01:17:12,105
There'd be no...
1340
01:17:12,105 --> 01:17:15,892
sense to the conversation.
1341
01:17:15,892 --> 01:17:19,286
It would be just me saying,
"I'm sorry," you know?
1342
01:17:22,638 --> 01:17:25,205
Forgiveness and trust
1343
01:17:25,205 --> 01:17:30,080
are such
slow things to earn
1344
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,300
that it's...
1345
01:17:35,781 --> 01:17:40,656
I wanted to make sure...
1346
01:17:42,832 --> 01:17:45,486
I just wanted to call them
1347
01:17:45,486 --> 01:17:47,663
and make sure
that they would...
1348
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,099
Well, I was fearful that
1349
01:17:49,099 --> 01:17:52,537
I would be abandoned,
you know? So...
1350
01:17:57,020 --> 01:18:01,198
KASTNER: You all love
and support Michael?
1351
01:18:01,198 --> 01:18:04,331
Unreservedly.
1352
01:18:04,331 --> 01:18:06,246
Definitely.
1353
01:18:06,246 --> 01:18:09,423
Mmhm.
1354
01:18:09,423 --> 01:18:15,038
Now it's turned to the fact
that I've come to realize
1355
01:18:15,038 --> 01:18:19,390
that my immediate family
1356
01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:22,654
are my -
1357
01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:26,049
For some unknown reason,
1358
01:18:26,049 --> 01:18:30,227
they've stuck by me, so...
1359
01:18:30,227 --> 01:18:32,490
The question
of how we could
1360
01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:37,408
forgive someone like Michael
1361
01:18:37,408 --> 01:18:41,325
is a classic example
of blaming the victim.
1362
01:18:41,325 --> 01:18:45,242
JOHN: Seems like
such an obvious analogy,
1363
01:18:45,242 --> 01:18:48,245
but you don't forgive someone
1364
01:18:48,245 --> 01:18:52,945
for contracting
their cancer.
1365
01:18:55,208 --> 01:18:57,950
Mom unfortunately lost her life.
1366
01:18:57,950 --> 01:19:02,433
But it's important
to keep in mind
1367
01:19:02,433 --> 01:19:05,088
that there are two
victims in this story,
1368
01:19:05,088 --> 01:19:08,439
and one of them happens
to still be suffering.
1369
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:13,444
Michael survived
the terrible event
1370
01:19:13,444 --> 01:19:16,534
but he continues to suffer.
1371
01:19:16,534 --> 01:19:19,450
It seemed like
the positive memories
1372
01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:24,455
and the negative memories
both cause me pain.
1373
01:19:24,455 --> 01:19:26,849
Because...
1374
01:19:26,849 --> 01:19:29,895
look what I've done.
1375
01:19:29,895 --> 01:19:32,071
I...
1376
01:19:32,071 --> 01:19:37,076
I've impacted so many...
1377
01:19:37,076 --> 01:19:41,733
I've impacted this
network of people.
1378
01:19:41,733 --> 01:19:46,738
I think that,
with the loss of a loved one,
1379
01:19:46,738 --> 01:19:51,787
with an act of unthinkable
violence such as this,
1380
01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:56,617
our instinct is
to look for the fault,
1381
01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:59,359
look for the cause of it.
1382
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:01,927
But we make a terrible mistake
to think that
1383
01:20:01,927 --> 01:20:06,366
that cause rests
with Michael himself.
1384
01:20:06,366 --> 01:20:08,891
The cause of this tragedy
is a mental disease.
1385
01:20:08,891 --> 01:20:11,937
It's a mistake to say
1386
01:20:11,937 --> 01:20:13,939
that Michael was
himself her killer.
1387
01:20:13,939 --> 01:20:15,941
I mean, her killer
was schizophrenia.
1388
01:20:15,941 --> 01:20:19,336
The cause of her death
was this disease.
1389
01:20:19,336 --> 01:20:24,254
I'm not able to grieve
the way I'd like to...
1390
01:20:24,254 --> 01:20:28,693
I have some grief,
1391
01:20:28,693 --> 01:20:32,653
but it's not...
1392
01:20:32,653 --> 01:20:36,440
It's not...
1393
01:20:38,050 --> 01:20:43,708
A feel-good grief,
which I imagine...
1394
01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:47,364
'Cause...
1395
01:20:47,364 --> 01:20:49,714
from what I know,
1396
01:20:49,714 --> 01:20:53,892
some people grieve
1397
01:20:53,892 --> 01:20:59,115
loved ones with fond memories,
1398
01:20:59,115 --> 01:21:02,379
whereas I'm not -
1399
01:21:05,338 --> 01:21:09,212
I'll just say this -
I'm grieving.
1400
01:21:09,212 --> 01:21:11,779
It's like if I grieve,
1401
01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:13,869
I kind -
1402
01:21:13,869 --> 01:21:15,827
unless...
1403
01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:17,829
There are odd moments
that contradict this -
1404
01:21:17,829 --> 01:21:20,963
Or not odd,
but spare,
1405
01:21:20,963 --> 01:21:22,965
occasional moments
that contradict this.
1406
01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:26,359
But for the most part
I grieve alone.
1407
01:21:36,804 --> 01:21:55,998
[♪♪♪]
1408
01:22:13,798 --> 01:22:17,628
JUSTINE: I'm not in Brockville
Mental Health Centre anymore.
1409
01:22:17,628 --> 01:22:20,370
And being out of a hospital
1410
01:22:20,370 --> 01:22:24,417
and being out of
an institution
1411
01:22:24,417 --> 01:22:27,290
when you've been
institutionalized
1412
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:29,379
is actually pretty difficult
1413
01:22:29,379 --> 01:22:32,425
because you're always used
to having somebody around.
1414
01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:34,819
So when you're alone,
1415
01:22:34,819 --> 01:22:38,214
you're like,
"Where is everybody?"
1416
01:22:42,696 --> 01:22:45,873
There's lots of upsides.
1417
01:22:45,873 --> 01:22:50,878
There's friends, family,
being free.
1418
01:22:50,878 --> 01:22:52,663
You know,
I can have a drink if I want,
1419
01:22:52,663 --> 01:22:55,057
I can smoke a joint.
1420
01:22:55,057 --> 01:22:58,190
I can do what I want.
1421
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:14,293
KASTNER:
Carole, I understand you have
1422
01:23:14,293 --> 01:23:17,688
a big surprise for us today.
1423
01:23:17,688 --> 01:23:19,516
I've got new teeth.
1424
01:23:19,516 --> 01:23:22,736
Tops and bottoms.
1425
01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:25,565
KASTNER:
Wow...
1426
01:23:25,565 --> 01:23:27,654
That looks really great.
1427
01:23:27,654 --> 01:23:30,266
Thank you.Congratulations.
1428
01:23:30,266 --> 01:23:32,442
I feel like a million bucks.
1429
01:23:45,542 --> 01:23:48,762
Oh, what big teeth you have!
1430
01:23:52,723 --> 01:23:53,941
NURSE:
Okay? Very good.
1431
01:23:53,941 --> 01:23:55,856
KASTNER:
Have people noticed?
1432
01:23:55,856 --> 01:24:00,426
Oh yeah, everyone's noticed.
1433
01:24:00,426 --> 01:24:02,559
What do they say to you?
1434
01:24:02,559 --> 01:24:04,082
They're saying I look great.
1435
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,305
Look at Sal blush.
1436
01:24:09,305 --> 01:24:10,654
Eh?
1437
01:24:10,654 --> 01:24:12,351
Sal blushes on camera.
1438
01:24:12,351 --> 01:24:13,961
That's 'cause you're cute.
1439
01:24:13,961 --> 01:24:16,442
You're blushing
'cause I'm cute?
1440
01:24:16,442 --> 01:24:19,837
Oh!
1441
01:24:19,837 --> 01:24:22,622
Don't start that in here.
1442
01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:23,449
Might never stop.
1443
01:24:23,449 --> 01:24:26,583
Huh, yeah.
1444
01:24:36,593 --> 01:24:40,640
MIKE: I guess the bottom line
is I'm out of the hospital,
1445
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,861
so I'm quite happy
that I've got this far.
1446
01:24:43,861 --> 01:24:49,040
And this is my apartment.
1447
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:54,263
I'm living here with
another guy
1448
01:24:54,263 --> 01:24:57,309
and it's -
1449
01:24:57,309 --> 01:24:59,746
I'm still getting used to it,
1450
01:24:59,746 --> 01:25:02,662
but that's where
I'm standing now.
1451
01:25:02,662 --> 01:25:03,881
From two or three
days after I got here,
1452
01:25:03,881 --> 01:25:07,798
I'm happy I made this step.
1453
01:25:07,798 --> 01:25:21,507
[♪♪♪]
1454
01:25:21,507 --> 01:25:22,943
ROGER:
So you've made strides, then,
1455
01:25:22,943 --> 01:25:26,295
initial strides to,
you know,
1456
01:25:26,295 --> 01:25:28,340
to get out here
in the community
1457
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:30,908
and make a life
here in Brockville.
1458
01:25:30,908 --> 01:25:32,866
MIKE:
For sure, it's...
1459
01:25:32,866 --> 01:25:35,565
I try to keep busy.
1460
01:25:35,565 --> 01:25:37,828
ROGER:
Well what's -
1461
01:25:37,828 --> 01:25:41,092
your diagnosis
is schizophrenia, eh?
1462
01:25:41,092 --> 01:25:43,399
Or just plain nuts?
1463
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:45,227
MIKE:
No, no.
1464
01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:46,576
And now that I'm here,
1465
01:25:46,576 --> 01:25:51,320
it's like at some points I'm
starting to get optimistic
1466
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:56,412
about maybe at one point
1467
01:25:56,412 --> 01:26:01,068
making further steps.
1468
01:26:01,068 --> 01:26:04,637
But the idea is to kind of
take it somewhat slowly.
1469
01:26:07,162 --> 01:26:11,514
ROGER:
What medication do you take?
1470
01:26:11,514 --> 01:26:15,518
MIKE: Yeah, twice a day
I take medication, right?
1471
01:26:15,518 --> 01:26:17,128
ROGER:
Yeah, and you find it helps?
1472
01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:19,391
MIKE:
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
1473
01:26:19,391 --> 01:26:22,481
ROGER: Otherwise you'd be
pretty goofy, I suppose.
1474
01:26:22,481 --> 01:26:24,614
[Both laugh]
1475
01:26:24,614 --> 01:26:26,268
MIKE:
Right.
1476
01:26:26,268 --> 01:26:27,921
Yeah, yeah,
that's cool.
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