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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:17,767 --> 00:01:20,500 It's a transient lifestyle. 2 00:01:20,533 --> 00:01:24,300 And long story short, I take drugs for a living. 3 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:27,067 Human drug testing. 4 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:28,633 When a lot of people see my scars, 5 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:30,533 they think I'm a drug user, 6 00:01:30,567 --> 00:01:32,167 kind of think they're, like, track marks... 7 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,133 for, uh, injecting heroin, but-- 8 00:01:35,167 --> 00:01:37,800 After they get about 100 needles in there, it's gonna leave a mark. 9 00:01:37,833 --> 00:01:39,167 That's for damn sure. 10 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,667 And I've been in studies... 11 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:44,067 where we had 100 sticks in, like, 14 days. 12 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:49,333 That's a lot more traffic than I like going through my veins. 13 00:01:49,367 --> 00:01:51,067 I mean, that's what I'm being paid to do. 14 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:56,233 I'm being paid to be poked, prodded, uh, tested. 15 00:01:56,267 --> 00:01:59,733 And if I didn't want to do that, I wouldn't be here doing it. 16 00:01:59,767 --> 00:02:04,367 I have to believe that I'm doing something to help out society. 17 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,333 I could be saving the lives of many people. 18 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:11,400 But do I really believe that? 19 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:14,367 It's hard to. 20 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,467 Compared to what we have. 21 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:18,733 And when you look for mascara, look for-- 22 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:20,767 Output is a wall-- 23 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,633 My name is Robert Helms, 24 00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:24,667 and I am a professional guinea pig. 25 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,033 There's a take/take relationship between me and the pharmaceutical companies. 26 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:33,067 My name is Robert Helms, and I am a professional guinea pig. 27 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:36,367 They need bodies to do the testing, and I need money. 28 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,267 So, uh, no, I don't have any moral qualms. 29 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:43,800 My name is Robert Helms, and I'm a professional guinea pig. 30 00:02:43,833 --> 00:02:46,100 The real Robert Helms makes his living... 31 00:02:46,133 --> 00:02:48,633 as a human guinea pig for scientific exper-- 32 00:02:48,667 --> 00:02:50,367 When you're a guinea pig, 33 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,400 you have to fit the description they're looking for. 34 00:02:52,433 --> 00:02:55,533 You have to be drug-free, and you have to pass a medical screening, 35 00:02:55,567 --> 00:03:00,300 and the only way to consistently do that over and over is to lie. 36 00:03:00,333 --> 00:03:02,267 To Tell the Truth. 37 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:04,733 - Now let's meet our panelists. 38 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:08,567 If you say you've got anything wrong in your medical history, 39 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,633 you're going to be less likely to get the job... 40 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:15,600 than the next guy in line who's very consistently lying. 41 00:03:15,633 --> 00:03:18,167 Number three, d-did something happen to you... 42 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,267 that made you want to do something like this? 43 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:23,400 The doctor who examines you knows that you're lying, 44 00:03:23,433 --> 00:03:28,467 but when I lie to them, I'm only lying so I can get work, which I need. 45 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,167 Okay, number two, how much do you make for doing something like this? 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,500 Up to something like $350 a day. 47 00:03:33,533 --> 00:03:37,800 Now, how that plays into determining whether the drug is safe and effective, 48 00:03:37,833 --> 00:03:41,267 that's not my work. 49 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:44,267 Number two or number three? 50 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,300 It's time to find out now which one of our players... 51 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:49,200 is the real human guinea pig. 52 00:03:49,233 --> 00:03:52,167 Will the real Robert Helms please stand up? 53 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:58,133 If I'm lying, I'm lying for pennies. 54 00:03:58,167 --> 00:04:01,367 This is not a mansion you're looking at here. 55 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,333 This is a rented room where I and my cats live. 56 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:11,667 When they lie, they're lying so that they can make billions of dollars... 57 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:15,333 over the course of many years while they have the patent on the drug. 58 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:19,667 They have an agenda to prescribe these drugs... 59 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:21,333 to as many people as possible. 60 00:04:21,367 --> 00:04:24,533 It's their agenda inside your body. 61 00:04:24,567 --> 00:04:28,033 They want to make money, and they have to use healthy guinea pigs... 62 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:29,767 in the regular society. 63 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,733 They're not able to use prisoners anymore. They wish they could. 64 00:05:04,367 --> 00:05:06,733 This is Holmesburg prison here. 65 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:12,533 This is where I served time at from 1964 to 1966. 66 00:05:12,567 --> 00:05:15,800 I was in for sales of marijuana. 67 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:21,300 This is my first time there. I'm scared, young-- 20 years old. 68 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:25,233 When I first got in there, I seen all these inmates walking around... 69 00:05:25,267 --> 00:05:27,567 with bandages all over their bodies. 70 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,400 I found out these guys was on tests from the University of Pennsylvania... 71 00:05:31,433 --> 00:05:33,367 under Dr. Albert Kligman. 72 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,800 And at first, they were minor tests, 73 00:05:35,833 --> 00:05:38,533 you know, like a Johnson & Johnson bubble bath test. 74 00:05:38,567 --> 00:05:41,300 And at the time, it was paying something like 30-something dollars. 75 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:43,300 So I said, "Put me on that." 76 00:05:43,333 --> 00:05:46,100 But it wasn't the bubble bath. The people was crooked in the hospital. 77 00:05:46,133 --> 00:05:48,733 They sprayed this stuff on my back that had all these deadly chemicals in it... 78 00:05:48,767 --> 00:05:50,633 that went into my bloodstream. 79 00:05:50,667 --> 00:05:55,433 I start breaking out with these little red, pustular bumps all over my body. 80 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:58,733 My hands and feet got that big. 81 00:05:58,767 --> 00:06:00,533 One finger was that fat. 82 00:06:00,567 --> 00:06:02,733 This stuff here on my fingers, 83 00:06:02,767 --> 00:06:05,367 they are constantly itchy, burning. 84 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,733 I scratch them till they bleed. I have prostate cancer, 85 00:06:08,767 --> 00:06:12,633 degenerative rheumatoid arthritis and hepatitis C. 86 00:06:12,667 --> 00:06:15,533 Bubble bath does this to somebody, man? 87 00:06:15,567 --> 00:06:18,367 Dr. Kligman didn't look at us as human beings. 88 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,433 He looked at us as a commodity... 89 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:24,733 or a number or skin to experiment on. 90 00:06:24,767 --> 00:06:27,400 You know, sure enough, guinea pigs. 91 00:06:27,433 --> 00:06:30,800 Now, I got on the other test, uh, taking pills. 92 00:06:30,833 --> 00:06:34,567 I had to take seven pills three times a day. 93 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,367 But they did a job on me. They dehydrated my intestines. 94 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,533 They locked my bowels. 95 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:42,733 And they're taking me in the back of Holmesburg and butchered me. 96 00:06:42,767 --> 00:06:44,667 They butchered me back there. 97 00:06:46,567 --> 00:06:49,733 These tests, man, was something that should've never been. 98 00:06:49,767 --> 00:06:53,067 You doing time in there. That's part of your life missing. 99 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,467 That's penalty enough. 100 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:03,633 I'm damaged, man. I'm damaged goods... 101 00:07:03,667 --> 00:07:05,467 from getting into things blindly, 102 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:08,200 not knowing what I was really doing to myself, 103 00:07:08,233 --> 00:07:09,767 and they knew. 104 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,500 They knew. They knew exactly. 105 00:07:11,533 --> 00:07:14,433 They coerced us to believe that the testing was safe. 106 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:18,067 You can destroy your life taking stuff into your system. 107 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:20,400 It's gonna come back to haunt you, man, you know? 108 00:07:20,433 --> 00:07:24,067 And that's the way life is, you know? 109 00:07:29,367 --> 00:07:31,733 All right, man. Let's get out of here, man. 110 00:07:31,767 --> 00:07:35,200 It's getting late. I got to get up in the morning and go to the clinic. 111 00:07:35,233 --> 00:07:37,300 Follow that light, Jack. 112 00:07:48,367 --> 00:07:52,333 Been doing med studies for... 113 00:07:52,367 --> 00:07:55,233 two, going on three years now, 114 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:58,200 I believe. 115 00:07:58,233 --> 00:08:01,433 Doing a study to pay for my wedding. 116 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,600 Met my fiancée hopping freight trains, 117 00:08:05,633 --> 00:08:09,600 and, uh, we've been together ever since. 118 00:08:16,167 --> 00:08:20,433 And now we're trying to save up money, 119 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:23,267 trying to start a family here pretty soon hopefully... 120 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:27,100 and get the heck out of here. 121 00:09:00,233 --> 00:09:03,067 Here's Laura when I first met her. 122 00:09:06,067 --> 00:09:08,200 I got pictures of her all over. 123 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,467 We even each other out. 124 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,267 Yeah, we're good-- good balance. 125 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:22,067 I've always done kind of odd-job stuff for medical studies. 126 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:24,467 I can help you get on a freight train... 127 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:27,500 or hitchhike wherever in a couple days, 128 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:31,600 but I'd like a home, and you need a steady income for that. 129 00:09:31,633 --> 00:09:33,733 I'm worried about money now, you know? 130 00:09:35,133 --> 00:09:38,133 It's just-- I hate money. 131 00:09:38,167 --> 00:09:39,600 Yup. 132 00:09:39,633 --> 00:09:41,767 Dollar bills. Yeah. 133 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,433 Yeah. 134 00:10:22,233 --> 00:10:26,633 Dan always looked into things very, very deeply-- 135 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:29,633 much too deeply. 136 00:10:29,667 --> 00:10:35,100 And I do think that did contribute to his mental illness. 137 00:10:35,133 --> 00:10:36,767 He didn't laugh things off. 138 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:41,267 I wish he had. 139 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:47,467 This was his college graduation in 2000. 140 00:10:51,267 --> 00:10:54,333 And a birthday card that he made for me. 141 00:10:56,333 --> 00:10:58,667 I think he was probably about seven. 142 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:11,267 And he says everybody is smiling, but no, 143 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:14,533 everybody is not smiling anymore. 144 00:11:22,567 --> 00:11:24,333 Dan became ill, 145 00:11:24,367 --> 00:11:28,200 and I got him into Fairview Riverside Hospital... 146 00:11:28,233 --> 00:11:32,500 in Minneapolis in November of 2003. 147 00:11:32,533 --> 00:11:36,633 And within a few days, he was put into a clinical study... 148 00:11:36,667 --> 00:11:42,500 that was run by his attending physician, Dr. Stephen C. Olson. 149 00:11:42,533 --> 00:11:45,467 He was his attending physician... 150 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:50,667 and also the principal investigator in the clinical study. 151 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:53,800 It's an obvious conflict of interest. 152 00:11:53,833 --> 00:11:56,800 Dan had the choice of either going into the study... 153 00:11:56,833 --> 00:11:59,233 or going into a mental hospital. 154 00:11:59,267 --> 00:12:02,100 He chose the study. 155 00:12:02,133 --> 00:12:05,367 Dr. Olson had control over Dan's freedom. 156 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,767 He was taken off his treatment medication... 157 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,367 and put on the study medication, 158 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,300 which turned out to be Seroquel. 159 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:19,233 These clinical studies are marketing ploys for the pharmaceutical companies... 160 00:12:19,267 --> 00:12:23,700 on drugs that were approved over a dozen years ago... 161 00:12:23,733 --> 00:12:26,700 and should no longer have to be studied. 162 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:30,600 I had no one else to turn to. 163 00:12:32,133 --> 00:12:35,433 You know, we had tried for everyone to help us. 164 00:12:35,467 --> 00:12:40,333 Because Dan was of legal age, I had no way of getting him out of the study, 165 00:12:42,167 --> 00:12:45,067 you know, other than pleading with the doctors to let him out, 166 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,733 which they would not. 167 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:54,033 It was obvious he was deteriorating by his demeanor. 168 00:12:54,067 --> 00:12:56,667 He was losing a lot of weight, 169 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:00,567 and he was gaunt. 170 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,167 And he felt he was being plagued by devils. 171 00:13:05,833 --> 00:13:09,700 He was-- psychotic. 172 00:13:09,733 --> 00:13:13,233 I told Dr. Olson, "I know my son." 173 00:13:13,267 --> 00:13:15,467 I said, "I see this inner rage. 174 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,467 Please, don't let it come boiling out." 175 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:20,533 Which it did. 176 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:27,467 And I can still remember Father O'Hotto saying that, 177 00:13:28,467 --> 00:13:32,067 "Your son passed away." 178 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:35,500 And... 179 00:13:35,533 --> 00:13:37,433 I remember thinking, "Oh, how ridiculous. 180 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:40,133 No, he didn't pass away. He was killed." 181 00:13:41,533 --> 00:13:45,367 He didn't pass away. They let him die. 182 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:51,700 And they need to be held accountable. 183 00:14:13,833 --> 00:14:16,133 And there we go. See? 184 00:14:21,067 --> 00:14:23,800 I was a former drug rep who helped shape the Zoloft marketplace, 185 00:14:23,833 --> 00:14:26,233 which was the S.S.R.I. marketplace in the early '90s. 186 00:14:26,267 --> 00:14:28,267 It was a blockbuster market. It was huge. 187 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:30,700 I mean, every drug in that market did over $1 billion. 188 00:14:30,733 --> 00:14:34,667 Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro. 189 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,367 So I've been tracking that market for a couple of decades on and off. 190 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Years ago, I met a psychiatrist who got consulted at the zoo... 191 00:14:42,633 --> 00:14:46,567 to treat a particular young bonobo chimp... 192 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,300 who was injuring himself. 193 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:52,133 And it got to a point where it was almost a matter of life and death. 194 00:14:52,167 --> 00:14:54,067 So that's why they called in this psychiatrist, 195 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:55,700 'cause they wanted him for a prescription. 196 00:14:55,733 --> 00:14:59,600 They wanted a psychiatric medication beyond what they normally use. 197 00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:03,433 So he wrote a script for Paxil to reduce his anxiety, 198 00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:06,700 to help with the O.C.D. behavior. 199 00:15:06,733 --> 00:15:10,200 The young male chimp stopped hurting himself, 200 00:15:10,233 --> 00:15:12,700 lost his anxiety, was resocialized. 201 00:15:12,733 --> 00:15:14,567 He's part of the troop. 202 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,600 He's in line to be an alpha male at some point. 203 00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:19,700 So you could say it's an incredible success story, 204 00:15:19,733 --> 00:15:24,200 but it was how he envisioned Paxil being used in his human patients-- 205 00:15:24,233 --> 00:15:27,067 medication plus psychodynamic intervention. 206 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,667 He was able to do it with the bonobos. 207 00:15:33,167 --> 00:15:36,400 It's easy to say, you know, we're a world on drugs, 208 00:15:36,433 --> 00:15:39,333 and specifically, we're becoming a world on psychiatric medication. 209 00:15:39,367 --> 00:15:42,367 I mean, that's indisputable. 210 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,267 Even if you looked at primates in institutions-- 211 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:50,600 Human and apes, they develop certain psychopathologies that are very common. 212 00:15:50,633 --> 00:15:52,800 I mean, if you go across the street here, 213 00:15:52,833 --> 00:15:55,600 there's a county-run mental facility... 214 00:15:55,633 --> 00:15:58,033 with human primates on a lot of medications. 215 00:15:58,067 --> 00:16:00,100 But there's interesting differences. 216 00:16:00,133 --> 00:16:02,200 They're trying to get everyone out of that institution... 217 00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:04,567 on heavy-duty drugs and polypharmacy, 218 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,033 and they don't have a lot of success. 219 00:16:07,067 --> 00:16:09,500 Many times, people end up there... 220 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:12,467 because they want to be institutionalized. 221 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:16,700 They don't want to be deinstitutionalized at that particular moment. 222 00:16:16,733 --> 00:16:19,467 They're scared. They're frightened. They have no social support. 223 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:21,267 They don't know how to take care of themselves. 224 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:25,467 They realize that their psychiatric symptoms are overwhelming them. 225 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:27,300 But the whole push at those institutions... 226 00:16:27,333 --> 00:16:30,033 is to get them medicated, short-term stay, pharm 'em out. 227 00:16:30,067 --> 00:16:31,533 They have people checking in on them, 228 00:16:31,567 --> 00:16:36,500 but not a lot of "socialness," not a lot of care-- 229 00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:40,567 A lot of pharmaceuticals, maybe cash to survive in our economy. 230 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,567 Then you come across the street. You're at the zoo with your great apes, 231 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,333 and if they have psychological issues or psychiatric problems, 232 00:16:46,367 --> 00:16:48,333 they're addressed immediately. 233 00:16:48,367 --> 00:16:50,500 It's a fine-tuned approach. 234 00:16:50,533 --> 00:16:54,167 They incorporate the same psychiatric methodology... 235 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,033 and psychiatric thinking and styles of care, 236 00:16:57,067 --> 00:17:00,733 and they often get the right results... 237 00:17:00,767 --> 00:17:02,600 within an institutional setting. 238 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:34,300 We're in the bigfoot museum. 239 00:17:37,533 --> 00:17:40,033 And Michael and I have lived here for a year. 240 00:17:40,067 --> 00:17:42,367 It's the overall "ah" in the background. 241 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,433 Almost to the day. Claimed to have seen some... 242 00:17:45,467 --> 00:17:47,567 and had some experiences with invisible Bigfoot. 243 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,167 She actually explained in her book-- 244 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:07,100 I love my man, but gosh darn it, 245 00:18:07,133 --> 00:18:08,700 I want a little break from Bigfoot. 246 00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:13,300 This is the sound of the Sasquatch. 247 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,367 There's definitely a Bigfoot that lives in people's minds. 248 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Where the difference is between what goes on in your mind and what goes on in reality, 249 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:31,233 I don't think we've got that all figured out yet. 250 00:18:35,833 --> 00:18:38,267 My brain is a beast. 251 00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:42,400 I am severely bipolar. 252 00:18:42,433 --> 00:18:47,233 They call it bipolar rapid cycling borderline schizophrenia. 253 00:18:47,267 --> 00:18:52,033 Bipolar disorder creates noise in your brain that is constant. 254 00:18:52,067 --> 00:18:55,767 Voices come from this way, and voices come from that way. 255 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,633 And it's really like being possessed by Satan. 256 00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:05,533 The nuances of mental illness require the nuances... 257 00:19:05,567 --> 00:19:08,533 of different medications to tone down the mania, 258 00:19:08,567 --> 00:19:13,100 because when I go off manic, it is tornado. 259 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,167 This is Seroquel Extended Release... 260 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:29,767 um, that I take at night. 261 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,367 This is Depakote, which I take twice a day. 262 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Abilify for depression. 263 00:19:36,233 --> 00:19:39,333 Docusate sodium so I can poop. 264 00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:43,300 Nuvigil, Ambien, Cymbalta, Simvastatin, 265 00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:46,200 Lorazepam, Lortab, Zoloft, 266 00:19:46,233 --> 00:19:48,467 Seroquel Extended Release again, 267 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:51,100 aspirin, marijuana. 268 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:55,267 So that's it. 269 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:59,300 How many actual pills do I take a day? 270 00:19:59,333 --> 00:20:00,633 About 20... 271 00:20:03,067 --> 00:20:04,733 or more. 272 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:11,033 This is the healthiest I have been ever both mentally and physically. 273 00:20:11,067 --> 00:20:13,633 The drugs are doing their thing. 274 00:20:15,333 --> 00:20:16,600 And they're working. 275 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,700 It's rare that I give in to any of the side effects, 276 00:20:28,267 --> 00:20:30,000 although I have them every day. 277 00:20:44,433 --> 00:20:46,300 All right. 278 00:20:49,167 --> 00:20:50,733 I'm from Iowa City, Iowa. 279 00:20:53,267 --> 00:20:55,200 I was born and raised here. 280 00:20:56,767 --> 00:20:59,700 Joined the Iowa National Guard when I was 17 years old... 281 00:20:59,733 --> 00:21:03,100 as a medic with the 109th Medical Company. 282 00:21:04,467 --> 00:21:06,733 I figured, you know, if I'm a medic, 283 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,667 I'm probably not gonna be fighting people, you know? I'm gonna be helping people. 284 00:21:15,533 --> 00:21:18,300 I was just really into everything... 285 00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,767 that the Bush Administration was putting out there. 286 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,667 And so... two days after I turned 17, I joined the National Guard, 287 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,667 'cause it's the earliest I could join. 288 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,133 All right, I'd say it's go time. 289 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:40,433 I found out right before I left that I was gonna be stationed at the Abu Ghraib Prison. 290 00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:51,033 I never in my life thought I would work in a prison facility, 291 00:21:51,067 --> 00:21:55,433 especially not one that was notorious for abuse and torture. 292 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,733 I was so young when I was there, 293 00:21:58,767 --> 00:22:02,200 and I was so afraid, and I wanted to get home so badly... 294 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:05,100 that I just tried to do what I was ordered to do... 295 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:08,133 and, I guess, just deal with it when I got home, 296 00:22:08,167 --> 00:22:11,633 and it-it's been pretty rough. 297 00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:17,200 I knew I had a problem when I got home-- 298 00:22:17,233 --> 00:22:20,767 ruining relationships, getting into legal trouble. 299 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,200 And I knew I was drinking to try to forget the things that had happened. 300 00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:27,400 And I showed up at the V.A., made an appointment, 301 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,067 and they diagnosed me with P.T.S.D.... 302 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,733 and put me on Zoloft and Hydroxyzine that day. 303 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,467 That's all the shit I haven't taken here. 304 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:39,600 I was taking this shit, you know. 305 00:22:39,633 --> 00:22:42,100 The V.A. has these contracts... 306 00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:44,433 with certain pharmaceutical companies, 307 00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:47,433 and if there's a medication that can help you... 308 00:22:47,467 --> 00:22:51,100 or even maybe save your life, you might not get that medication. 309 00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:53,300 So then they use other medications... 310 00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:55,733 for uses that they aren't really intended for... 311 00:22:55,767 --> 00:22:58,200 just 'cause they don't have as big of a selection. 312 00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,300 If I saw a normal doctor if I had health insurance, 313 00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:02,500 if I could afford it, dude, 314 00:23:02,533 --> 00:23:04,467 like, I wouldn't have to deal with this crap... 315 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,700 and having to pick from this selection... 316 00:23:07,733 --> 00:23:11,200 of, you know, who they have their deals with. 317 00:23:13,533 --> 00:23:15,167 I really don't know what's working. 318 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:27,100 The stuff that haunts me the most is just the memories. 319 00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:30,700 I have nightmares every single night, and you wake up sweating. 320 00:23:30,733 --> 00:23:32,333 They're impacting right there! 321 00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:34,633 Hey, let's go! They're impacting! 322 00:23:34,667 --> 00:23:36,333 It's hard to explain to people... 323 00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:39,500 that at a certain point in time, you have such extreme anxiety... 324 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,200 that you don't even know what to do. 325 00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:44,067 You're pacing. You're crying. You're throwing up. 326 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,267 There's Andy up there. Andy, take the video. 327 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,200 We're, uh-- 328 00:23:58,533 --> 00:24:01,433 Eventually, it just becomes overwhelming... 329 00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:03,100 for friends and family members. 330 00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:06,500 You just feel you've given so much of yourself... 331 00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:10,067 and got so little in return except for all these problems. 332 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,433 I don't need medication. I need help. 333 00:24:22,467 --> 00:24:25,467 I need somebody to listen to me, to talk to me. 334 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:27,467 If they want to give me medication, 335 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,767 give me medication that works. 336 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,533 God has a prescription. 337 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,200 And inside man, 338 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:56,400 locked up in his spine, 339 00:24:56,433 --> 00:25:02,400 is 10,000 deadly diseases locked up in cells. 340 00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:05,533 And every time you go outside of the boundaries, 341 00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:08,767 of the prescription that life is supposed to be about, 342 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,333 God releases one of those deadly diseases or germs into your system... 343 00:25:17,267 --> 00:25:21,433 as a warning that something is wrong that needs to be corrected. 344 00:25:21,467 --> 00:25:23,133 You see what I mean? 345 00:25:23,167 --> 00:25:25,233 Salvation is to be healthy... 346 00:25:25,267 --> 00:25:27,800 so that you can be in tune with God and happy. 347 00:25:27,833 --> 00:25:31,467 My ideology is that I'm going to get as pure... 348 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,133 as I possibly can before I die. 349 00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:37,200 Drug-free, doing the right thing, 350 00:25:37,233 --> 00:25:40,133 so when I meet my maker that I believe in, 351 00:25:41,267 --> 00:25:43,500 I'll get a little bit of paradise. 352 00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:51,133 I'm writing this book. It's called Tales from the Script. 353 00:25:51,167 --> 00:25:54,200 And it's kind of just assessing the last 20 years... 354 00:25:54,233 --> 00:25:57,400 of how the industry gets doctors to write prescriptions. 355 00:25:57,433 --> 00:26:01,400 It's sort of a simple question, but I think it's complex once you start to unravel it. 356 00:26:01,433 --> 00:26:03,467 And I do this chapter where I talk about, 357 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:08,233 well, what anthropologists do is a lot like what drug reps do. 358 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:10,633 You know, we have to do reconnaissance. We have to build relationships. 359 00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:13,067 It's all for different reasons, you know. 360 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,700 One is sort of gaining knowledge and insight to help people, hopefully, 361 00:26:16,733 --> 00:26:18,767 and the other, you know, is to make a buck. 362 00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:24,667 From a drug rep's point of view, you have to go where the scripts are being written, 363 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:26,733 and they're gonna be written in this building. 364 00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:29,100 And this is where they happen to keep their samples. 365 00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:31,500 Might come in and assess. This is my product. 366 00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:34,133 I'm gonna get this one nice and high. 367 00:26:34,167 --> 00:26:36,733 I'm gonna put my competition, like, over here, so you put it down there. 368 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,200 I might even just throw it in the corner... depending on how mad I was. 369 00:26:39,233 --> 00:26:41,467 And then I'd put my sample of Zoloft right here. 370 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,000 That's probably gonna stay there for a while... 371 00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:46,300 till maybe my competition comes and goes, "Oh, the Pfizer rep was here again." 372 00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:48,633 Put this back up here. We're gonna get things back to normal. 373 00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:51,367 These are the little games you play. It's neurotic drug rep stuff. 374 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,167 At the same time, I'm sending anonymous mailers on Zoloft, 375 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,467 whether approved or unapproved. 376 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,467 I'm leaving Zoloft file cards everywhere. 377 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:01,067 What I'm trying to do is over, like, a three-month period, 378 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,633 make sort of-- kind of make it seem... 379 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:08,700 like it's naturally occurring that Zoloft is a big deal, 380 00:27:08,733 --> 00:27:10,733 that Zoloft is the new drug to be using. 381 00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:13,367 I think many reps know that doctors think... 382 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,133 about what they do in terms of cases, 383 00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:18,700 so if you can get a physician talking about a case, 384 00:27:18,733 --> 00:27:20,767 they start to sell themselves. 385 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,100 Let's say Dr. "W" comes up to me and I say, 386 00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:25,500 "Hey, how is Zoloft working for you?" And he says, "It's good." 387 00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,267 I say, "You're using it for depression in your patients?" 388 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,633 "Of course. It's indicated for depression." 389 00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:33,100 I say, "You using it anywhere else?" Now, I've done nothing illegal. 390 00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:34,733 Now, let's say by chance, Dr. "W" says, 391 00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:39,067 "Well, you know, I do use it for some patients with panic disorder." 392 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,133 That's an off-label use of the drug. 393 00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:43,367 I say, "Well, I got your signature for samples. 394 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,500 "Would you like some clinical information... 395 00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:49,367 on what you just told me you were using Zoloft for?" 396 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,500 "Sure." Then officially, I can put his name in the computer. 397 00:27:52,533 --> 00:27:54,700 Our medical department can send all these articles... 398 00:27:54,733 --> 00:27:57,233 on using Zoloft for panic disorder, 399 00:27:57,267 --> 00:27:58,667 which, at the time, is illegal. 400 00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,267 I never did one thing wrong. 401 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,367 I didn't mention it for off-label. 402 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,133 I didn't do anything. 403 00:28:04,167 --> 00:28:06,467 I just asked him, you know, some questions. 404 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,467 That was legal, and that's what we were trained to do. 405 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,300 You know, at least that's the way I did it. 406 00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:14,300 Your time's done. You're onto the next call. 407 00:28:14,333 --> 00:28:16,267 Now, there might be a rep out here. Sometimes there is. 408 00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:22,533 This is a pharmaceutical rep who's here, probably. Yes? 409 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,567 Yes or no? 410 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,333 Okay, so they don't talk to anybody. 411 00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:34,367 Ah, she was terrified. I felt it for her. 412 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,300 In a way, I actually feel sorry for drug reps, 413 00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:40,500 because they've been kind of cast as the problem. 414 00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:43,800 They're sort of the mediator between medicine and the market. 415 00:28:43,833 --> 00:28:47,200 And the sad thing for reps is, they're told over and over... 416 00:28:47,233 --> 00:28:50,433 they're delivering a message of good clinical science. 417 00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,600 I don't begrudge drug reps. I mean, they're nice people. 418 00:28:52,633 --> 00:28:54,767 They're hard workers for the most part. 419 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,533 Unless they've had their epiphany or they're hyper-reflexive on what they do, 420 00:28:58,567 --> 00:29:00,500 they think they're doing a good job. 421 00:29:00,533 --> 00:29:02,633 I worked with some that thought they were doing God's work. 422 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:05,267 They looked at it as a vocation. 423 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,500 So, you know, it's interesting. 424 00:29:07,533 --> 00:29:11,667 There's kind of a religiosity to being a drug rep... 425 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:17,667 in terms of believing that you are doing some good work... 426 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,400 educating doctors with these available products you have-- 427 00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:23,133 That they're missing something. 428 00:29:23,167 --> 00:29:26,267 In retrospect, you do see it more for what it was, 429 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:30,167 you know, which is sort of this, um, 430 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,133 really, a business branding model applied to health care, 431 00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:36,633 really, almost at all costs. 432 00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:40,800 But, um, no one ever shouted, "That's unethical," 433 00:29:40,833 --> 00:29:43,100 until the end, you know, until I was almost done, 434 00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:45,367 you know, that I realized, 435 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,400 "Wow, you know, what we're doing here is really sort of shady." 436 00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:01,433 I think I spent a lot more time in the system... 437 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:02,733 than most people would have. 438 00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:10,767 I was adopted by American parents... 439 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,267 and had a lot of behavioral issues... 440 00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,333 and ended up in a group home. 441 00:30:20,567 --> 00:30:22,667 I was on Ritalin a good six years. 442 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,567 I think any kid could have a problem with that. 443 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,067 But what's done is done. 444 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,133 Here's all my childhood stuff just this box here, 445 00:30:31,167 --> 00:30:32,767 stuff I hang onto, 446 00:30:34,467 --> 00:30:36,700 family photographs. 447 00:30:39,133 --> 00:30:41,167 Being in a clinical research study... 448 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,533 was pretty much no different than being in a group home. 449 00:30:43,567 --> 00:30:46,100 You have all that structure. You're told what to do, when to do it. 450 00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:49,733 But then when I'm not in a study, 451 00:30:49,767 --> 00:30:52,800 I'm in a territory that I'm not comfortable with. 452 00:30:52,833 --> 00:30:54,800 You know, I feel lost half the time. 453 00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:10,300 Lately I've been thinking this whole town is just built on death, 454 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,633 'cause it's a giant hospital. 455 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200 People fly from all over just to come here to die pretty much, 456 00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:50,200 you know? 457 00:32:52,633 --> 00:32:54,700 There's people dying everywhere, though, but-- 458 00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,700 They definitely make money off of it here. 459 00:33:07,267 --> 00:33:09,200 Okay, thanks. 460 00:33:09,233 --> 00:33:10,700 Please, don't. 461 00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:12,200 Get out of here. 462 00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,367 Sickness is the glue that holds this place together. 463 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,067 Without the Mayo Clinic, without the sickness, 464 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,667 it would be another small, dying, Midwest town. 465 00:33:28,167 --> 00:33:31,100 The primary reason why many young people are here... 466 00:33:31,133 --> 00:33:33,667 are for the sole purpose of their family working at Mayo Clinic. 467 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,200 I've been prescribed Adderall, Hydrocodone-- 468 00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:42,800 Zoloft and Paxil and-- 469 00:33:42,833 --> 00:33:46,567 Ritalin, Paxil. That was fun. 470 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:54,300 I've taken every amount of fucking antidepressants you can ever imagine. 471 00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,800 None of them worked. 472 00:33:55,833 --> 00:33:58,600 - Prozac-- - Adderall most definitely. 473 00:33:58,633 --> 00:34:00,567 - Adderall and Ritalin. - Adderall-- 474 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,700 Wellbutrin for smoking cigarettes and trying to quit, 475 00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:05,333 which never happened, obviously. 476 00:34:09,467 --> 00:34:14,200 I just got prescribed Percocet, Nexium, Prilosec. Um-- 477 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,633 - What else? - Seroquel-- 478 00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:18,433 - Seroquel. - Zoloft. 479 00:34:18,467 --> 00:34:20,633 - Lithium-- - Valium, Percocet. 480 00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:24,267 - Oxycontin. - Effexor, Benztropine, and Abilify. 481 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,533 All those S.S.R.I.'s or whatever they are-- 482 00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:29,733 serotonin "ip-tup-take" inhibit-- whatever they are-- 483 00:34:29,767 --> 00:34:31,400 I don't know. Whatever. Fucking-- 484 00:34:31,433 --> 00:34:33,767 I don't know the names of the things I've been prescribed, 485 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,400 I guess, is my problem. 486 00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:49,200 Robert, now, you record your experiences... 487 00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:51,767 in this newsletter which is entitled-- I'll hold it up. 488 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,267 It's called the-- I'm guessing. Is that right? The Guinea Pig Zero? 489 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,800 - Correct, Guinea Pig Zero. - Explain the title. 490 00:34:57,833 --> 00:35:01,067 I, uh, write about the history of human experiments... 491 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,067 and news stories about sometimes abuses... 492 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,300 and things that go wrong in the experiments. 493 00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:08,067 So not only do you do the experiment... 494 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,367 but you're the investigative journalist as well within the industry. 495 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,133 - You could say that. - I-- Keeping them honest. Keeping them honest. 496 00:35:13,167 --> 00:35:15,667 'Cause they have to be. 'Cause the guinea pigs themselves can't do it. 497 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,467 - Well, they all doped up. 498 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,700 Nope. I'm gonna take my pill. 499 00:35:31,633 --> 00:35:33,600 This is Adderall. 500 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,533 One day I decided I had A.D.H.D. 501 00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:44,400 That's a person who gets more work done when they take amphetamines. 502 00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:48,133 It's the scientific definition. 503 00:35:56,267 --> 00:35:59,300 This is a humane animal trap. 504 00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:01,167 This is for a fairly small animal... 505 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,100 like a possum or a raccoon or a cat, a stray cat. 506 00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:08,333 And I got it... 507 00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:13,800 so that I could catch animals... 508 00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:16,500 on the idea that I might eat them. 509 00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:19,767 And I wanted to be ready to know how to get food, 510 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,700 get meat on the table. 511 00:36:22,733 --> 00:36:26,733 It was because I had no money, and it was because I'm over the age of 45, 512 00:36:26,767 --> 00:36:30,133 and that's the cut-off date for drug experiments. 513 00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:32,167 When there's no money, there's no money. 514 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,300 So you have to do something that doesn't cost anything. 515 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,567 In my little world, part of the complexity is... 516 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,767 that I take a drug to help me continue my writing and research, 517 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,800 and I also have a lot of problems with the way... 518 00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:57,100 the drug manufacturers go about their business and make fantastic profits. 519 00:36:57,133 --> 00:37:01,700 My work helps to address some of the contradictions in my life. 520 00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:06,533 It has a healing effect on the world, I think, in some modest degree. 521 00:37:06,567 --> 00:37:09,533 And the Adderall has helped me produce my writing. 522 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:14,267 The relationship is not complicated to me. 523 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,033 It just works. 524 00:37:29,533 --> 00:37:32,633 This has been an educated trial. 525 00:37:34,467 --> 00:37:39,333 All the doctors that I am seeing do not stay on top of my drugs, 526 00:37:39,367 --> 00:37:41,633 and it's a good thing that I do. 527 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,033 I'm my own case manager. 528 00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:48,733 It's true. 529 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:51,600 Keeps me on my toes. 530 00:37:51,633 --> 00:37:53,400 I can see how right now she would feel really strongly... 531 00:37:53,433 --> 00:37:55,800 that she's doing the right thing. 532 00:37:55,833 --> 00:37:58,733 Of course, a lot of the medicine she takes have these side effects. 533 00:37:58,767 --> 00:38:02,133 Always mitigating symptoms, 534 00:38:02,167 --> 00:38:05,233 but not dealing really directly with the problem necessarily. 535 00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:09,767 That's the way it seems to me a lot of the time. 536 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,567 I did get hospitalized for polypharmacy. 537 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,700 All kinds of weird drugs were prescribed, 538 00:38:15,733 --> 00:38:18,200 and I got very sick and had to be hospitalized. 539 00:38:18,233 --> 00:38:21,700 That took two weeks to detox. 540 00:38:24,067 --> 00:38:28,700 And then they started me on a whole different pile of drugs. 541 00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,100 I was watching it happen and saying to myself, 542 00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:33,700 "This doesn't seem right." 543 00:38:33,733 --> 00:38:37,400 Especially when one of her doctors refused to see her, 544 00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:41,233 and yet he was still giving her psychotropic drugs... 545 00:38:41,267 --> 00:38:43,667 but not monitoring her with it, which, you know-- 546 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,333 I was under the impression that was-- that was wrong. 547 00:38:48,267 --> 00:38:50,433 That's polypharmacy in a nutshell. 548 00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:56,767 I could've died. 549 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,633 Duffy, are you nervous? What do you think about this? 550 00:38:59,667 --> 00:39:01,267 I'm scared. 551 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,633 What I did in Iraq is not what I imagined... 552 00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:12,400 I would be doing when I enlisted in the army. 553 00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:16,200 There's their makeshift mosque out of our tents. 554 00:39:16,233 --> 00:39:18,467 My first impression of Abu Ghraib prison was, 555 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,700 "This looks like a concentration camp." 556 00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:22,367 I didn't know who I should be watching, 557 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,333 what I should be doing, how I should be conducting myself. 558 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,700 I didn't know how I made it there. 559 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:32,233 Very overwhelming for a 19 and 20-year-old kid to be around, 560 00:39:33,633 --> 00:39:38,233 to be in charge of whether somebody lives or dies. 561 00:39:38,267 --> 00:39:41,733 Get it done, retard! 562 00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:21,233 I would never act like I did at Abu Ghraib prison... 563 00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:23,300 in normal life-- never, ever. 564 00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,033 They way we were using medicine there... 565 00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:28,067 was to get at the prisoners and break them down. 566 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,733 Instead of treating people, it was almost like... 567 00:40:29,767 --> 00:40:32,767 we were punishing them for seeking treatment from us. 568 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,467 I mean, when I'm ordered to give somebody a 14-gauge needle, 569 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,367 especially if they're not in a massive trauma, 570 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,400 I know that that's not needed. 571 00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:42,733 I know that that's purely to inflict pain. 572 00:40:42,767 --> 00:40:45,367 And that was explicitly explained to me... 573 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,467 by the officer in charge as, 574 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,800 "Give these guys 14-gauge needles. 575 00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:53,333 "They won't want I.V.'s anymore, 'cause they're so huge and they're so painful." 576 00:40:58,467 --> 00:41:01,333 Usually the prisoners are crying and wailing and screaming at you... 577 00:41:01,367 --> 00:41:02,633 when you're doing this. 578 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,700 There's nothing to feel good about sticking a 14-gauge I.V. in somebody for no good reason. 579 00:41:13,267 --> 00:41:16,467 I couldn't take doing that to those people anymore. 580 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,400 I'm sure there was other people who also felt the same way as I did, 581 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:24,700 but Abu Ghraib Prison was not the place you spoke out against-- 582 00:41:26,433 --> 00:41:29,500 against any type of practices there whatsoever. 583 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,233 When Dan died, he didn't leave much of a suicide note. 584 00:41:48,267 --> 00:41:53,200 He simply wrote, "I leave this experience smiling." 585 00:41:53,233 --> 00:41:54,533 That's all he wrote. 586 00:41:56,267 --> 00:41:58,367 You know, doing it all over again, 587 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,100 you know, I don't know what I could've done differently. 588 00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:04,633 I mean, for heaven sakes, I didn't want him in the study. 589 00:42:04,667 --> 00:42:07,700 It was not important at all how Dan was doing. 590 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:11,233 If it were important how he was doing, they would've contacted me... 591 00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:15,267 after we contacted them on Good Friday and said, 592 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,067 "Do we have to wait for him to kill himself?" 593 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,267 And we did. We had to wait for that. 594 00:42:25,233 --> 00:42:27,600 I called the coroner the Monday after he died. 595 00:42:27,633 --> 00:42:30,233 I said I wanted to see him. 596 00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:33,400 And I remember her kind of yelling at me and saying, 597 00:42:33,433 --> 00:42:37,567 "Well, don't you know how he died?" 598 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,500 And I said, "Well, evidently, I don't." 599 00:42:41,533 --> 00:42:44,300 And I didn't. 600 00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:47,767 You know, I-- When you find out your son kills himself, 601 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000 you don't say, "Oh, what did he do?" 602 00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:53,633 No, I didn't know. 603 00:42:56,367 --> 00:42:59,200 But it wasn't a normal suicide. 604 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,367 He slit his throat so badly... 605 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,400 that the coroner's office said he almost decapitated himself. 606 00:43:15,433 --> 00:43:19,567 And then she said probably because he wasn't dying fast enough, 607 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,600 that he slit his abdomen open... 608 00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:27,700 and reached his hand inside, 609 00:43:27,733 --> 00:43:30,500 and she said when they found him, 610 00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:36,400 his one hand had the box cutter frozen in it, 611 00:43:36,433 --> 00:43:42,233 and the other hand was inside his abdomen up to his wrist. 612 00:43:45,067 --> 00:43:49,167 And, you know, I want people to know... 613 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,733 this is what the drugs do. 614 00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:55,467 If Dan simply wanted to kill himself... 615 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,500 he wouldn't have done that. 616 00:45:13,833 --> 00:45:15,767 Sunday is a big day. 617 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,333 Getting hitched. Tying the old knot. 618 00:45:19,367 --> 00:45:23,400 This whole wedding was paid for by medical studies. 619 00:45:23,433 --> 00:45:28,767 Yeah, this is what $7,000 worth of a med study looks like. 620 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,067 Jordan likes to be really independent, 621 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,300 and I love him for that, that he-- you know, 622 00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:37,500 he's able to do these things that are ultimately dangerous... 623 00:45:37,533 --> 00:45:41,133 to avoid having to do a 9:00 to 5:00. 624 00:45:41,167 --> 00:45:44,233 We still keep it in the space of not doing really major studies... 625 00:45:44,267 --> 00:45:46,333 that can have big problems later. 626 00:45:46,367 --> 00:45:49,800 So for now, you know, it's Jordan doing medical studies, 627 00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:52,533 and I'm going to school in January and getting a job. 628 00:45:53,833 --> 00:45:55,567 This is what happens when you grow up, I guess. 629 00:45:57,133 --> 00:45:59,100 That's perfect. 630 00:46:24,133 --> 00:46:26,300 Somebody did the weather for everybody, 631 00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:28,633 'cause you couldn't get a more beautiful day than today. 632 00:46:32,267 --> 00:46:34,300 Pleased to meet you, sir. 633 00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:37,367 Oh, my goodness. What in-- 634 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,533 I call that authentic body piercing. 635 00:47:00,167 --> 00:47:02,600 Everyone is always waiting for that one person... 636 00:47:02,633 --> 00:47:04,700 who makes their lives complete. 637 00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:07,567 You are hands-down the most amazing person... 638 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,033 I have ever met in my entire life. 639 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,533 I love you. 640 00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,633 I was awake for hours trying to write the perfect vows. 641 00:47:18,667 --> 00:47:22,567 Perfect vows to express how quickly I fell in love with you, 642 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,033 how glad I am about who you've helped me become as a person. 643 00:47:28,133 --> 00:47:29,667 And how crazy in love I am with you... 644 00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,100 and will be for the rest of our lives. 645 00:47:35,167 --> 00:47:36,400 You're fine. 646 00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:59,200 Hi. 647 00:48:07,167 --> 00:48:09,300 What I do as a historian is... 648 00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:12,167 look into the way the poorer people... 649 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,233 have been exploited and brutalized and abused... 650 00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:19,500 by the people in power... 651 00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:22,333 and the people with money. 652 00:48:22,367 --> 00:48:26,067 This includes these people who are on the margins. 653 00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,200 And it includes human guinea pigs. 654 00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:34,600 This is a history that hasn't been told thoroughly enough. 655 00:48:34,633 --> 00:48:39,133 And there are lot of stories that are important... 656 00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,333 that haven't been brought to light... 657 00:48:41,367 --> 00:48:44,533 and that haven't been explored. 658 00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:59,667 It's an act of solidarity with those who have come before you... 659 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,067 and with those who come after you. 660 00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,567 You light a torch, and then you pass it on to another person. 661 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,467 At the end of the day, somebody has light in their mind... 662 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,267 that they might not have had if it weren't for you yourself... 663 00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,100 passing the torch. 664 00:49:18,167 --> 00:49:20,067 I'm proud of it. 665 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,200 Fuck. 666 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,600 Many people that are in psychiatric distress... 667 00:51:00,633 --> 00:51:05,700 can especially benefit from the acute use of psychiatric medication. 668 00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:07,700 I don't think we need to question that. 669 00:51:07,733 --> 00:51:10,200 But you also have this whole other part of society... 670 00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:14,067 that is using/abusing psychiatric medication, 671 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,233 and you can put the medical field in there, too, 672 00:51:16,267 --> 00:51:18,333 because they're the enablers. 673 00:51:18,367 --> 00:51:21,067 In the '90s, if you told a family practice doctor, 674 00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,467 "In ten years, you will write a ton of prescriptions every month... 675 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,200 for atypical antipsychotics," they might laugh at you. 676 00:51:26,233 --> 00:51:30,200 Now primary care are writing atypicals... 677 00:51:30,233 --> 00:51:32,367 for add-on therapy for depression, 678 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,467 anger management, O.D.D., anxiety disorders. 679 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,367 They're just being used for everything. 680 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,500 The market is being saturated with them, 681 00:51:39,533 --> 00:51:41,800 but most importantly by primary care. 682 00:51:41,833 --> 00:51:46,767 That's-- I think that's the most important thing that pharma has figured out. 683 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,633 I'm tracking a case about a psychiatrist... 684 00:51:52,667 --> 00:51:56,467 who claims that a major part of her job now is detox. 685 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,333 She has patients who come in on a cocktail of medications... 686 00:51:59,367 --> 00:52:03,700 from one primary care doctor who thinks he's an expert on bipolar disorder. 687 00:52:03,733 --> 00:52:05,367 She gets the patient, and she says... 688 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,467 they're on all the wrong medications. 689 00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,200 They're not bipolar. They're depressed. 690 00:52:10,233 --> 00:52:13,667 And then her job is to titrate the patient off these medications, 691 00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,667 get them on perhaps one medication for depression. 692 00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:21,233 This is a future of psychiatry we could think about, 693 00:52:21,267 --> 00:52:23,367 which is, psychiatry is detox. 694 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,200 Psychiatry more and more, 695 00:52:25,233 --> 00:52:28,633 they're dealing with the polypharmacy generated by primary care, 696 00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:31,533 and in this case, they ask the question, 697 00:52:31,567 --> 00:52:35,167 "Why are primary care doctors writing all these atypical antipsychotics?" 698 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,233 We have millions of people that are being prescribed psychiatric medications... 699 00:52:40,267 --> 00:52:42,367 sometimes appropriate use, 700 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,200 but a large part of that population is being prescribed psychiatric medication... 701 00:52:46,233 --> 00:52:49,767 where it may not be warranted or indicated. 702 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,633 But it's in demand. 703 00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:26,467 I think how the V.A. system is set up right now, 704 00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,700 you don't have to be going to therapy to get the drugs. 705 00:53:29,733 --> 00:53:32,467 They'll prescribe you the medication. 706 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,700 If you want therapy, they film the entire session, 707 00:53:35,733 --> 00:53:38,033 which is extremely uncomfortable, 708 00:53:38,067 --> 00:53:40,600 and they have a set program for P.T.S.D.... 709 00:53:40,633 --> 00:53:44,200 that just simply... doesn't work. 710 00:53:44,233 --> 00:53:46,700 There's really no continuity to your care, 711 00:53:46,733 --> 00:53:48,767 because a lot of these guys are residents, 712 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,133 and you might see them once or twice. 713 00:53:51,167 --> 00:53:53,700 And so they don't know what you've even been on half the time, 714 00:53:53,733 --> 00:53:57,667 so they try to give you the same drugs that have already failed for you. 715 00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,533 P.T.S.D. is not a new thing. It's been around forever. 716 00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:06,167 And I think they should be a little slower to just hand you drugs, 717 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,100 say, "I hope these work for you," 718 00:54:08,133 --> 00:54:10,133 send you out the door... 719 00:54:10,167 --> 00:54:14,467 than pursue even, like, alternate therapy treatments that could work for people. 720 00:54:21,267 --> 00:54:22,800 It's hard to let go of the military. 721 00:54:22,833 --> 00:54:25,433 - It's still hard to let go of the military for me. 722 00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:27,600 I mean, I miss my friends. I miss my buddies. 723 00:54:27,633 --> 00:54:29,733 I miss helping people out as a medic. 724 00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:33,800 But now I have the support of soldiers that are for peace. 725 00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:36,667 - I get the support here from Veterans for Peace... 726 00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:40,400 and Iraq Veterans against the War that I don't get at the V.A. 727 00:54:42,567 --> 00:54:45,167 People seem to truly care about me. 728 00:54:47,433 --> 00:54:50,067 It's anxiety-inducing, but at the same time, 729 00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,567 it's also very rewarding to finally be able to open up more... 730 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,167 than I would to any psychologist or anything. 731 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,667 They're there for me. 732 00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,700 If I go into a panic-attack type state, 733 00:55:00,733 --> 00:55:02,533 you know, I have a supportive environment. 734 00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:05,333 I don't need to turn to benzodiazepine. 735 00:55:05,367 --> 00:55:07,200 You know, I don't have to take a Xanax. 736 00:55:07,233 --> 00:55:09,400 I don't have to pop a Klonopin to calm myself down. 737 00:55:09,433 --> 00:55:11,767 I have someone that's right there next to me... 738 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,100 that has been where I've been, dealt with the same problems, 739 00:55:15,133 --> 00:55:17,067 often times dealt with them longer, 740 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,733 and knows exactly what to do and to say... 741 00:55:19,767 --> 00:55:24,100 to try to pull me back in and get back to myself. 742 00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:25,567 It's too easy to sit in your house... 743 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,167 and pop pills and drink alcohol. 744 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,700 It's much harder to step out in the real world... 745 00:55:31,733 --> 00:55:36,300 and try to right the wrongs that I feel I've done to people. 746 00:56:13,633 --> 00:56:15,567 I guess I kind of started getting tattoos... 747 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,133 because it was, like, something nobody could take away from me, you know? 748 00:56:20,633 --> 00:56:24,400 Go through a little pain getting some nice tattoos... 749 00:56:24,433 --> 00:56:26,400 and release a little pain at the same time, I guess. 750 00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:18,067 A lot of people who do studies seem to like to gamble. 751 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:22,200 I mean, I'm playing for the one chance that I might hit it big. 752 00:57:31,367 --> 00:57:33,133 Just a money issue. 753 00:57:33,167 --> 00:57:38,067 Either I don't have the money or I don't have enough. 754 00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,400 In the past I've had a lot more issues with gambling... 755 00:57:53,433 --> 00:57:57,500 where I would not pay my bills that I should be paying. 756 00:57:57,533 --> 00:58:00,033 But I didn't have any support from my parents, 757 00:58:00,067 --> 00:58:02,167 and I really didn't have any support from anywhere else, 758 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,467 so I basically dropped out there into the world... 759 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,300 and made a lot of mistakes. 760 00:58:11,333 --> 00:58:16,267 I lost a really good job. I was a bus driver for a while. 761 00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:20,433 - That kind of snowballed into not paying my rent... 762 00:58:20,467 --> 00:58:23,133 and not making car payments. 763 00:58:25,767 --> 00:58:27,667 So eventually, I ended up homeless. 764 00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:32,067 I mean, it was not a good time in my life. 765 00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:35,067 So that's, like, one of those dirty things, 766 00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,633 like, once I-- 767 00:58:37,667 --> 00:58:40,067 once you've experienced homelessness, 768 00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,700 you just never really get over it. 769 00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:50,533 - It has been an issue, like, in the last few years... 770 00:58:50,567 --> 00:58:53,633 where I'd rather go to Vegas and piss away some money... 771 00:58:53,667 --> 00:58:57,533 just knowing that I can survive till the next study on the street. 772 00:59:10,667 --> 00:59:15,700 If that were to ever dissipate, I'm not really sure where I'd end up. 773 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,067 Been a downhill spiral. 774 01:00:18,467 --> 01:00:22,633 But... it's money I can afford to lose. 775 01:00:26,167 --> 01:00:29,567 Tomorrow I'm gonna go back to Austin. 776 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,100 I'm looking for my next study, but-- 777 01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,567 Just slim pickings at the moment. 778 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,300 Sometimes when I go home from Vegas, it's-- 779 01:00:46,333 --> 01:00:48,600 I know what I'm going home to-- 780 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,367 the streets. 781 01:01:23,833 --> 01:01:26,233 Did you hear it? 782 01:01:26,267 --> 01:01:28,267 Do you hear the cricket? 783 01:01:40,333 --> 01:01:44,600 It's been over seven years, and I don't know where the years went. 784 01:01:48,067 --> 01:01:53,300 I don't think there is a minute that goes by that I don't think of him. 785 01:01:57,267 --> 01:01:59,433 I have his ashes. 786 01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,433 Yeah, I have some in here. 787 01:02:03,167 --> 01:02:05,733 Yes, he is right by my heart. 788 01:02:10,467 --> 01:02:14,400 Sometimes I almost feel as though he should talk to me. 789 01:02:18,767 --> 01:02:21,267 And tell me where you are. 790 01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:29,767 Wherever Dan is, I know that he is well... 791 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:36,600 and it is a place for him of peace. 792 01:02:36,633 --> 01:02:40,700 And sometimes I think that no human being... 793 01:02:40,733 --> 01:02:44,033 will ever have total peace. 794 01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:48,633 I mean, every life has problems. 795 01:02:48,667 --> 01:02:54,367 But I think after we're gone on, we've gone on to another place. 796 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,700 I think all these worries dissolve. 797 01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,367 And it's like at that point, we don't have an age. 798 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,367 We're just who we are... 799 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,533 and who we were meant to be. 800 01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:38,200 Holmesburg was a-- a mean experience, you know? I was lost. 801 01:03:38,233 --> 01:03:40,267 And that's when I first found Islam. 802 01:03:41,333 --> 01:03:43,200 It changed my life. 803 01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,567 Dr. Kligman-- just recently passed away. 804 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,567 God rest his soul if he can, 805 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,200 'cause all the corrupt things he did-- his sins is on him. 806 01:03:54,233 --> 01:03:58,167 If he has forgiveness coming to him, he's gonna get it. 807 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,067 You know, that's-- that's it. That's the way forgiveness go. 808 01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,067 Allah's the one who's got to forgive him. 809 01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,167 You know? Yeah. 810 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,267 I mean, I feel hurt that he coerced us... 811 01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:12,267 to believe that those tests was safe. 812 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:16,300 You see, I feel hurt that he did that for the sake of money. 813 01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:19,700 But, uh, Allah heals wounds. 814 01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:21,367 Allah heals wounds, you know? 815 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,633 You need that. 816 01:04:25,667 --> 01:04:27,533 Everybody need a shot of Islam, 817 01:04:27,567 --> 01:04:30,233 not a shot of alcohol or a shot of drugs. 818 01:04:30,267 --> 01:04:31,733 You see what I'm saying? 819 01:04:31,767 --> 01:04:34,000 You have the rope of Allah to hold on to. 820 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,133 I do pray for health, 821 01:04:40,167 --> 01:04:45,467 and I do pray over the medicine so that it's doing its job, 822 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:48,167 and I can get away with less and less. 823 01:05:47,133 --> 01:05:49,200 Hello? 824 01:05:51,533 --> 01:05:53,533 Bill collector. 825 01:06:16,367 --> 01:06:18,667 It's a good thing I'm not depressed... 826 01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:22,133 or I would have a hell of a weaponry pile right here. 827 01:06:26,533 --> 01:06:28,600 And that's the way it's done... 828 01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:32,767 every day. 829 01:06:37,533 --> 01:06:42,133 I wish I wasn't mentally ill. I mean, it's the pits. 830 01:06:53,633 --> 01:06:56,733 God's grace is amazing. 831 01:06:56,767 --> 01:06:58,533 And His grace never ends. 832 01:06:58,567 --> 01:07:01,167 We're constantly being drenched in it. 833 01:07:02,533 --> 01:07:04,767 I love my Lord so much. 66536

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