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It's a transient lifestyle.
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And long story short,
I take drugs for a living.
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Human drug testing.
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When a lot of people
see my scars,
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they think I'm a drug user,
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kind of think
they're, like, track marks...
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for, uh,
injecting heroin, but--
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After they get
about 100 needles in there,
it's gonna leave a mark.
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That's for damn sure.
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And I've been in studies...
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where we had 100 sticks
in, like, 14 days.
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That's a lot more traffic
than I like
going through my veins.
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I mean, that's what
I'm being paid to do.
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I'm being paid to be poked,
prodded, uh, tested.
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And if I didn't want to do that,
I wouldn't be here doing it.
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I have to believe
that I'm doing something
to help out society.
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I could be saving the lives
of many people.
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But do I really believe that?
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It's hard to.
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Compared to what we have.
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And when you look for mascara,
look for--
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Output is a wall--
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My name is Robert Helms,
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and I am a professional
guinea pig.
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There's a take/take relationship
between me and
the pharmaceutical companies.
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My name is Robert Helms,
and I am a professional
guinea pig.
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They need bodies to do
the testing, and I need money.
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So, uh, no, I don't
have any moral qualms.
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My name is Robert Helms,
and I'm a professional
guinea pig.
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The real Robert Helms
makes his living...
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as a human guinea pig
for scientific exper--
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When you're a guinea pig,
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you have to fit the description
they're looking for.
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You have to be drug-free,
and you have to pass
a medical screening,
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and the only way to consistently
do that over and over is to lie.
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To Tell the Truth.
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- Now let's meet our panelists.
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If you say you've got anything
wrong in your medical history,
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you're going to be less likely
to get the job...
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than the next guy in line
who's very consistently lying.
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Number three, d-did
something happen to you...
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that made you want to do
something like this?
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The doctor who examines you
knows that you're lying,
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but when I lie to them,
I'm only lying so
I can get work, which I need.
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Okay, number two,
how much do you make for
doing something like this?
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Up to something
like $350 a day.
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Now, how that
plays into determining whether
the drug is safe and effective,
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that's not my work.
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Number two or number three?
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It's time to find out now
which one of our players...
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is the real human guinea pig.
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Will the real Robert Helms
please stand up?
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If I'm lying,
I'm lying for pennies.
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This is not a mansion
you're looking at here.
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This is a rented room
where I and my cats live.
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When they lie,
they're lying so that they can
make billions of dollars...
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over the course of many years
while they have the patent
on the drug.
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They have an agenda
to prescribe these drugs...
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to as many people as possible.
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It's their agenda
inside your body.
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They want to make money,
and they have to use
healthy guinea pigs...
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in the regular society.
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They're not able
to use prisoners anymore.
They wish they could.
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This is Holmesburg prison here.
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This is where I served time at
from 1964 to 1966.
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I was in for sales
of marijuana.
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This is my first time there.
I'm scared, young--
20 years old.
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When I first got in there,
I seen all these inmates
walking around...
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with bandages
all over their bodies.
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I found out these guys
was on tests from the University
of Pennsylvania...
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under Dr. Albert Kligman.
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And at first,
they were minor tests,
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you know,
like a Johnson & Johnson
bubble bath test.
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And at the time,
it was paying something
like 30-something dollars.
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So I said, "Put me on that."
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But it wasn't the bubble bath.
The people was crooked
in the hospital.
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They sprayed this stuff
on my back that had all these
deadly chemicals in it...
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that went
into my bloodstream.
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I start breaking out
with these little red,
pustular bumps all over my body.
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My hands and feet got that big.
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One finger was that fat.
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This stuff here on my fingers,
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they are constantly itchy,
burning.
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I scratch them till they bleed.
I have prostate cancer,
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degenerative
rheumatoid arthritis
and hepatitis C.
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Bubble bath does this
to somebody, man?
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Dr. Kligman didn't look at us
as human beings.
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He looked at us as
a commodity...
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or a number or skin
to experiment on.
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You know, sure enough,
guinea pigs.
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Now, I got on the other test,
uh, taking pills.
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I had to take seven pills
three times a day.
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But they did a job on me.
They dehydrated my intestines.
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They locked my bowels.
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And they're taking me
in the back of Holmesburg
and butchered me.
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They butchered me back there.
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These tests, man, was something
that should've never been.
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You doing time in there.
That's part of your life
missing.
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That's penalty enough.
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I'm damaged, man.
I'm damaged goods...
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from getting
into things blindly,
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not knowing what I was
really doing to myself,
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and they knew.
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They knew.
They knew exactly.
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They coerced us to believe
that the testing was safe.
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You can destroy your life
taking stuff into your system.
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It's gonna come back
to haunt you, man,
you know?
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And that's the way life is,
you know?
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All right, man.
Let's get out of here, man.
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It's getting late.
I got to get up in the morning
and go to the clinic.
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Follow that light, Jack.
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Been doing med studies for...
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two,
going on three years now,
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I believe.
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Doing a study to pay
for my wedding.
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Met my fiancée hopping
freight trains,
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and, uh, we've been together
ever since.
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And now we're trying
to save up money,
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trying to start a family here
pretty soon hopefully...
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and get the heck
out of here.
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Here's Laura
when I first met her.
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I got pictures of her
all over.
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We even
each other out.
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Yeah, we're good--
good balance.
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I've always done kind of odd-job
stuff for medical studies.
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I can help you get
on a freight train...
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or hitchhike wherever
in a couple days,
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but I'd like a home,
and you need a steady income
for that.
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I'm worried about money now,
you know?
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It's just--
I hate money.
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Yup.
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Dollar bills.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Dan always looked into things
very, very deeply--
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much too deeply.
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And I do think
that did contribute
to his mental illness.
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He didn't laugh things off.
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I wish he had.
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This was
his college graduation
in 2000.
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And a birthday card
that he made for me.
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I think he was probably
about seven.
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And he says everybody
is smiling, but no,
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everybody is
not smiling anymore.
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Dan became ill,
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and I got him into
Fairview Riverside Hospital...
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in Minneapolis
in November of 2003.
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And within a few days,
he was put into
a clinical study...
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that was run
by his attending physician,
Dr. Stephen C. Olson.
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He was
his attending physician...
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and also
the principal investigator
in the clinical study.
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It's an obvious
conflict of interest.
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Dan had the choice of either
going into the study...
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or going into a mental hospital.
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He chose the study.
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Dr. Olson had control
over Dan's freedom.
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He was taken off
his treatment medication...
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and put on the study medication,
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which turned out to be Seroquel.
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These clinical studies
are marketing ploys for
the pharmaceutical companies...
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on drugs that were approved
over a dozen years ago...
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and should no longer
have to be studied.
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I had no one else to turn to.
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You know, we had tried
for everyone to help us.
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Because Dan was of legal age,
I had no way of getting him
out of the study,
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you know, other than
pleading with the doctors
to let him out,
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which they would not.
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It was obvious
he was deteriorating
by his demeanor.
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He was losing a lot of weight,
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and he was gaunt.
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And he felt he was being
plagued by devils.
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He was--
psychotic.
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I told Dr. Olson,
"I know my son."
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I said,
"I see this inner rage.
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Please, don't let it
come boiling out."
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Which it did.
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And I can still remember
Father O'Hotto saying that,
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"Your son passed away."
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And...
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I remember thinking,
"Oh, how ridiculous.
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No, he didn't pass away.
He was killed."
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He didn't pass away.
They let him die.
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And they need to be
held accountable.
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And there we go. See?
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I was a former drug rep
who helped shape
the Zoloft marketplace,
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which was
the S.S.R.I. marketplace
in the early '90s.
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It was a blockbuster market.
It was huge.
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I mean, every drug
in that market
did over $1 billion.
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Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft,
Celexa, Lexapro.
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So I've been tracking
that market for
a couple of decades on and off.
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Years ago, I met a psychiatrist
who got consulted at the zoo...
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to treat a particular
young bonobo chimp...
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who was injuring himself.
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And it got to a point
where it was almost a matter
of life and death.
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So that's why they called in
this psychiatrist,
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'cause they wanted him
for a prescription.
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They wanted
a psychiatric medication
beyond what they normally use.
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So he wrote a script for Paxil
to reduce his anxiety,
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to help with
the O.C.D. behavior.
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The young male chimp
stopped hurting himself,
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lost his anxiety,
was resocialized.
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He's part of the troop.
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He's in line
to be an alpha male
at some point.
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So you could say
it's an incredible
success story,
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but it was how he envisioned
Paxil being used
in his human patients--
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medication plus
psychodynamic intervention.
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He was able to do it
with the bonobos.
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It's easy to say, you know,
we're a world on drugs,
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and specifically,
we're becoming a world
on psychiatric medication.
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I mean, that's indisputable.
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Even if you looked at primates
in institutions--
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Human and apes, they develop
certain psychopathologies
that are very common.
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I mean, if you go
across the street here,
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there's a county-run
mental facility...
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with human primates
on a lot of medications.
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But there's
interesting differences.
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They're trying to get everyone
out of that institution...
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on heavy-duty drugs
and polypharmacy,
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and they don't have
a lot of success.
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Many times,
people end up there...
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because they want
to be institutionalized.
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They don't want to be
deinstitutionalized
at that particular moment.
222
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They're scared.
They're frightened.
They have no social support.
223
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They don't know how
to take care of themselves.
224
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They realize that
their psychiatric symptoms
are overwhelming them.
225
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But the whole push
at those institutions...
226
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is to get them medicated,
short-term stay, pharm 'em out.
227
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They have people
checking in on them,
228
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but not a lot of "socialness,"
not a lot of care--
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A lot of pharmaceuticals,
maybe cash to survive
in our economy.
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Then you come across the street.
You're at the zoo
with your great apes,
231
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and if they have
psychological issues
or psychiatric problems,
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they're addressed immediately.
233
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It's a fine-tuned approach.
234
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They incorporate the same
psychiatric methodology...
235
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and psychiatric thinking
and styles of care,
236
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and they often get
the right results...
237
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within an institutional setting.
238
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We're in the bigfoot museum.
239
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And Michael and I have
lived here for a year.
240
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It's the overall "ah"
in the background.
241
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Almost to the day.
Claimed to have seen some...
242
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and had some experiences
with invisible Bigfoot.
243
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She actually
explained in her book--
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I love my man,
but gosh darn it,
245
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I want a little break
from Bigfoot.
246
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This is the sound
of the Sasquatch.
247
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There's definitely a Bigfoot
that lives in people's minds.
248
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Where the difference is between
what goes on in your mind
and what goes on in reality,
249
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I don't think we've got that
all figured out yet.
250
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My brain is a beast.
251
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I am severely bipolar.
252
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They call it
bipolar rapid cycling
borderline schizophrenia.
253
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Bipolar disorder creates noise
in your brain that is constant.
254
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Voices come from this way,
and voices come from that way.
255
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And it's really like
being possessed by Satan.
256
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The nuances of mental illness
require the nuances...
257
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of different medications
to tone down the mania,
258
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because when I go off manic,
it is tornado.
259
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This is
Seroquel Extended Release...
260
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um, that I take at night.
261
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This is Depakote,
which I take twice a day.
262
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Abilify for depression.
263
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Docusate sodium so I can poop.
264
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Nuvigil, Ambien,
Cymbalta, Simvastatin,
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Lorazepam, Lortab, Zoloft,
266
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Seroquel Extended Release again,
267
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aspirin, marijuana.
268
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So that's it.
269
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How many actual pills
do I take a day?
270
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About 20...
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or more.
272
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This is the healthiest
I have been ever
both mentally and physically.
273
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The drugs are doing
their thing.
274
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And they're working.
275
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It's rare that I give in
to any of the side effects,
276
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although I have them
every day.
277
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All right.
278
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I'm from Iowa City, Iowa.
279
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I was born and raised here.
280
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Joined the Iowa National Guard
when I was 17 years old...
281
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as a medic
with the 109th Medical Company.
282
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I figured, you know,
if I'm a medic,
283
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I'm probably not gonna be
fighting people, you know?
I'm gonna be helping people.
284
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I was just really
into everything...
285
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that the Bush Administration
was putting out there.
286
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And so... two days
after I turned 17,
I joined the National Guard,
287
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'cause it's the earliest
I could join.
288
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,133
All right,
I'd say it's go time.
289
00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:40,433
I found out right before I left
that I was gonna be stationed
at the Abu Ghraib Prison.
290
00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:51,033
I never in my life
thought I would work
in a prison facility,
291
00:21:51,067 --> 00:21:55,433
especially not one that was
notorious for abuse and torture.
292
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,733
I was so young
when I was there,
293
00:21:58,767 --> 00:22:02,200
and I was so afraid,
and I wanted to get home
so badly...
294
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that I just tried to do
what I was ordered to do...
295
00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:08,133
and, I guess, just deal with it
when I got home,
296
00:22:08,167 --> 00:22:11,633
and it-it's been pretty rough.
297
00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:17,200
I knew I had a problem
when I got home--
298
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ruining relationships,
getting into legal trouble.
299
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,200
And I knew I was drinking
to try to forget the things
that had happened.
300
00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:27,400
And I showed up at the V.A.,
made an appointment,
301
00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,067
and they diagnosed me
with P.T.S.D....
302
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,733
and put me on Zoloft
and Hydroxyzine that day.
303
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That's all the shit
I haven't taken here.
304
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I was taking this shit,
you know.
305
00:22:39,633 --> 00:22:42,100
The V.A. has these contracts...
306
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with certain
pharmaceutical companies,
307
00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:47,433
and if there's a medication
that can help you...
308
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or even maybe save your life,
you might not get
that medication.
309
00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:53,300
So then they use
other medications...
310
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for uses that they aren't
really intended for...
311
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just 'cause they don't have
as big of a selection.
312
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If I saw a normal doctor
if I had health insurance,
313
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if I could afford it, dude,
314
00:23:02,533 --> 00:23:04,467
like,
I wouldn't have to deal
with this crap...
315
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,700
and having to pick
from this selection...
316
00:23:07,733 --> 00:23:11,200
of, you know,
who they have their deals with.
317
00:23:13,533 --> 00:23:15,167
I really don't know
what's working.
318
00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:27,100
The stuff
that haunts me the most
is just the memories.
319
00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:30,700
I have nightmares
every single night,
and you wake up sweating.
320
00:23:30,733 --> 00:23:32,333
They're impacting right there!
321
00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:34,633
Hey, let's go!
They're impacting!
322
00:23:34,667 --> 00:23:36,333
It's hard to explain
to people...
323
00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:39,500
that at a certain point in time,
you have such extreme anxiety...
324
00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,200
that you don't even know
what to do.
325
00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:44,067
You're pacing.
You're crying.
You're throwing up.
326
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,267
There's Andy up there.
Andy, take the video.
327
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,200
We're, uh--
328
00:23:58,533 --> 00:24:01,433
Eventually, it just
becomes overwhelming...
329
00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:03,100
for friends and family members.
330
00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:06,500
You just feel you've given
so much of yourself...
331
00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:10,067
and got so little
in return except
for all these problems.
332
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,433
I don't need medication.
I need help.
333
00:24:22,467 --> 00:24:25,467
I need somebody to listen to me,
to talk to me.
334
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:27,467
If they want
to give me medication,
335
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,767
give me medication
that works.
336
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,533
God has a prescription.
337
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,200
And inside man,
338
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:56,400
locked up in his spine,
339
00:24:56,433 --> 00:25:02,400
is 10,000 deadly diseases
locked up in cells.
340
00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:05,533
And every time you go
outside of the boundaries,
341
00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:08,767
of the prescription that life
is supposed to be about,
342
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,333
God releases one of those
deadly diseases or germs
into your system...
343
00:25:17,267 --> 00:25:21,433
as a warning
that something is wrong
that needs to be corrected.
344
00:25:21,467 --> 00:25:23,133
You see what I mean?
345
00:25:23,167 --> 00:25:25,233
Salvation is to be healthy...
346
00:25:25,267 --> 00:25:27,800
so that you can be
in tune with God and happy.
347
00:25:27,833 --> 00:25:31,467
My ideology is that
I'm going to get as pure...
348
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,133
as I possibly can
before I die.
349
00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:37,200
Drug-free,
doing the right thing,
350
00:25:37,233 --> 00:25:40,133
so when I meet my maker
that I believe in,
351
00:25:41,267 --> 00:25:43,500
I'll get a little bit
of paradise.
352
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:51,133
I'm writing this book.
It's called
Tales from the Script.
353
00:25:51,167 --> 00:25:54,200
And it's kind of just assessing
the last 20 years...
354
00:25:54,233 --> 00:25:57,400
of how the industry gets doctors
to write prescriptions.
355
00:25:57,433 --> 00:26:01,400
It's sort of a simple question,
but I think it's complex
once you start to unravel it.
356
00:26:01,433 --> 00:26:03,467
And I do this chapter
where I talk about,
357
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:08,233
well, what anthropologists do
is a lot like what drug reps do.
358
00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:10,633
You know, we have
to do reconnaissance.
We have to build relationships.
359
00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:13,067
It's all for different reasons,
you know.
360
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,700
One is sort of gaining
knowledge and insight
to help people, hopefully,
361
00:26:16,733 --> 00:26:18,767
and the other, you know,
is to make a buck.
362
00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:24,667
From a drug rep's point of view,
you have to go where the scripts
are being written,
363
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:26,733
and they're gonna be written
in this building.
364
00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:29,100
And this is where they happen
to keep their samples.
365
00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:31,500
Might come in and assess.
This is my product.
366
00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:34,133
I'm gonna get this one
nice and high.
367
00:26:34,167 --> 00:26:36,733
I'm gonna put my competition,
like, over here,
so you put it down there.
368
00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,200
I might even just throw it
in the corner...
depending on how mad I was.
369
00:26:39,233 --> 00:26:41,467
And then I'd put my sample
of Zoloft right here.
370
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,000
That's probably gonna stay there
for a while...
371
00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:46,300
till maybe my competition
comes and goes, "Oh,
the Pfizer rep was here again."
372
00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:48,633
Put this back up here.
We're gonna get things
back to normal.
373
00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:51,367
These are the little games
you play. It's neurotic
drug rep stuff.
374
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,167
At the same time,
I'm sending anonymous
mailers on Zoloft,
375
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,467
whether approved
or unapproved.
376
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,467
I'm leaving Zoloft
file cards everywhere.
377
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:01,067
What I'm trying to do is over,
like, a three-month period,
378
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,633
make sort of--
kind of make it seem...
379
00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:08,700
like it's naturally occurring
that Zoloft is a big deal,
380
00:27:08,733 --> 00:27:10,733
that Zoloft is
the new drug to be using.
381
00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:13,367
I think many reps know
that doctors think...
382
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,133
about what they do
in terms of cases,
383
00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:18,700
so if you can get a physician
talking about a case,
384
00:27:18,733 --> 00:27:20,767
they start to sell themselves.
385
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,100
Let's say Dr. "W"
comes up to me and I say,
386
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:25,500
"Hey, how is Zoloft
working for you?"
And he says, "It's good."
387
00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,267
I say, "You're using it
for depression
in your patients?"
388
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,633
"Of course.
It's indicated for depression."
389
00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:33,100
I say,
"You using it anywhere else?"
Now, I've done nothing illegal.
390
00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:34,733
Now, let's say by chance,
Dr. "W" says,
391
00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:39,067
"Well, you know, I do use it
for some patients
with panic disorder."
392
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,133
That's an off-label use
of the drug.
393
00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:43,367
I say, "Well, I got
your signature for samples.
394
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,500
"Would you like
some clinical information...
395
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:49,367
on what you just told me
you were using Zoloft for?"
396
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,500
"Sure."
Then officially, I can put
his name in the computer.
397
00:27:52,533 --> 00:27:54,700
Our medical department can send
all these articles...
398
00:27:54,733 --> 00:27:57,233
on using Zoloft
for panic disorder,
399
00:27:57,267 --> 00:27:58,667
which, at the time, is illegal.
400
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,267
I never did one thing wrong.
401
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,367
I didn't mention it
for off-label.
402
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,133
I didn't do anything.
403
00:28:04,167 --> 00:28:06,467
I just asked him, you know,
some questions.
404
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,467
That was legal, and that's
what we were trained to do.
405
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,300
You know, at least
that's the way I did it.
406
00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:14,300
Your time's done.
You're onto the next call.
407
00:28:14,333 --> 00:28:16,267
Now, there might be
a rep out here.
Sometimes there is.
408
00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:22,533
This is a pharmaceutical rep
who's here, probably. Yes?
409
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,567
Yes or no?
410
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,333
Okay, so they don't talk
to anybody.
411
00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:34,367
Ah, she was terrified.
I felt it for her.
412
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,300
In a way, I actually feel sorry
for drug reps,
413
00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:40,500
because they've been kind of
cast as the problem.
414
00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:43,800
They're sort of the mediator
between medicine and the market.
415
00:28:43,833 --> 00:28:47,200
And the sad thing for reps is,
they're told over and over...
416
00:28:47,233 --> 00:28:50,433
they're delivering a message
of good clinical science.
417
00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,600
I don't begrudge drug reps.
I mean, they're nice people.
418
00:28:52,633 --> 00:28:54,767
They're hard workers
for the most part.
419
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,533
Unless they've had
their epiphany or they're
hyper-reflexive on what they do,
420
00:28:58,567 --> 00:29:00,500
they think they're doing
a good job.
421
00:29:00,533 --> 00:29:02,633
I worked with some that thought
they were doing God's work.
422
00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:05,267
They looked at it as a vocation.
423
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,500
So, you know,
it's interesting.
424
00:29:07,533 --> 00:29:11,667
There's kind of a religiosity
to being a drug rep...
425
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:17,667
in terms of believing
that you are doing
some good work...
426
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,400
educating doctors
with these available
products you have--
427
00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:23,133
That they're
missing something.
428
00:29:23,167 --> 00:29:26,267
In retrospect,
you do see it more
for what it was,
429
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:30,167
you know, which is
sort of this, um,
430
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,133
really,
a business branding model
applied to health care,
431
00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:36,633
really, almost at all costs.
432
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:40,800
But, um,
no one ever shouted,
"That's unethical,"
433
00:29:40,833 --> 00:29:43,100
until the end, you know,
until I was almost done,
434
00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:45,367
you know, that I realized,
435
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,400
"Wow, you know,
what we're doing here
is really sort of shady."
436
00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:01,433
I think I spent a lot more time
in the system...
437
00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:02,733
than most people would have.
438
00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:10,767
I was adopted
by American parents...
439
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,267
and had a lot
of behavioral issues...
440
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,333
and ended up in a group home.
441
00:30:20,567 --> 00:30:22,667
I was on Ritalin
a good six years.
442
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,567
I think any kid could have
a problem with that.
443
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,067
But what's done is done.
444
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,133
Here's all my childhood stuff
just this box here,
445
00:30:31,167 --> 00:30:32,767
stuff I hang onto,
446
00:30:34,467 --> 00:30:36,700
family photographs.
447
00:30:39,133 --> 00:30:41,167
Being in a clinical
research study...
448
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,533
was pretty much no different
than being in a group home.
449
00:30:43,567 --> 00:30:46,100
You have all that structure.
You're told what to do,
when to do it.
450
00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:49,733
But then when I'm not
in a study,
451
00:30:49,767 --> 00:30:52,800
I'm in a territory
that I'm not comfortable with.
452
00:30:52,833 --> 00:30:54,800
You know, I feel lost
half the time.
453
00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:10,300
Lately I've been
thinking this whole town
is just built on death,
454
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,633
'cause it's a giant hospital.
455
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200
People fly from all over just
to come here to die pretty much,
456
00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:50,200
you know?
457
00:32:52,633 --> 00:32:54,700
There's people dying everywhere,
though, but--
458
00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,700
They definitely make money
off of it here.
459
00:33:07,267 --> 00:33:09,200
Okay, thanks.
460
00:33:09,233 --> 00:33:10,700
Please, don't.
461
00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:12,200
Get out of here.
462
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,367
Sickness is the glue that holds
this place together.
463
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,067
Without the Mayo Clinic,
without the sickness,
464
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,667
it would be another small,
dying, Midwest town.
465
00:33:28,167 --> 00:33:31,100
The primary reason why many
young people are here...
466
00:33:31,133 --> 00:33:33,667
are for the sole purpose
of their family
working at Mayo Clinic.
467
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,200
I've been prescribed
Adderall, Hydrocodone--
468
00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:42,800
Zoloft and Paxil and--
469
00:33:42,833 --> 00:33:46,567
Ritalin, Paxil.
That was fun.
470
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:54,300
I've taken every amount
of fucking antidepressants
you can ever imagine.
471
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,800
None of them worked.
472
00:33:55,833 --> 00:33:58,600
- Prozac--
- Adderall most definitely.
473
00:33:58,633 --> 00:34:00,567
- Adderall and Ritalin.
- Adderall--
474
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,700
Wellbutrin
for smoking cigarettes
and trying to quit,
475
00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:05,333
which never happened,
obviously.
476
00:34:09,467 --> 00:34:14,200
I just got prescribed
Percocet, Nexium, Prilosec.
Um--
477
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,633
- What else?
- Seroquel--
478
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:18,433
- Seroquel.
- Zoloft.
479
00:34:18,467 --> 00:34:20,633
- Lithium--
- Valium, Percocet.
480
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:24,267
- Oxycontin.
- Effexor, Benztropine,
and Abilify.
481
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,533
All those S.S.R.I.'s
or whatever they are--
482
00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:29,733
serotonin
"ip-tup-take" inhibit--
whatever they are--
483
00:34:29,767 --> 00:34:31,400
I don't know.
Whatever. Fucking--
484
00:34:31,433 --> 00:34:33,767
I don't know the names of
the things I've been prescribed,
485
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,400
I guess, is my problem.
486
00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:49,200
Robert, now, you record
your experiences...
487
00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:51,767
in this newsletter
which is entitled--
I'll hold it up.
488
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,267
It's called the--
I'm guessing. Is that right?
The Guinea Pig Zero?
489
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,800
- Correct, Guinea Pig Zero.
- Explain the title.
490
00:34:57,833 --> 00:35:01,067
I, uh, write about the history
of human experiments...
491
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,067
and news stories
about sometimes abuses...
492
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,300
and things that go wrong
in the experiments.
493
00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:08,067
So not only do you do
the experiment...
494
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,367
but you're the investigative
journalist as well
within the industry.
495
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,133
- You could say that.
- I-- Keeping them honest.
Keeping them honest.
496
00:35:13,167 --> 00:35:15,667
'Cause they have to be.
'Cause the guinea pigs
themselves can't do it.
497
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,467
- Well, they all doped up.
498
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,700
Nope.
I'm gonna take my pill.
499
00:35:31,633 --> 00:35:33,600
This is Adderall.
500
00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,533
One day I decided I had A.D.H.D.
501
00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:44,400
That's a person
who gets more work done
when they take amphetamines.
502
00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:48,133
It's the scientific definition.
503
00:35:56,267 --> 00:35:59,300
This is a humane animal trap.
504
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:01,167
This is for
a fairly small animal...
505
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,100
like a possum or a raccoon
or a cat, a stray cat.
506
00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:08,333
And I got it...
507
00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:13,800
so that I could catch animals...
508
00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:16,500
on the idea
that I might eat them.
509
00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:19,767
And I wanted to be ready
to know how to get food,
510
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,700
get meat on the table.
511
00:36:22,733 --> 00:36:26,733
It was because I had no money,
and it was because
I'm over the age of 45,
512
00:36:26,767 --> 00:36:30,133
and that's the cut-off date
for drug experiments.
513
00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:32,167
When there's no money,
there's no money.
514
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,300
So you have to do something
that doesn't cost anything.
515
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,567
In my little world,
part of the complexity is...
516
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,767
that I take a drug
to help me continue
my writing and research,
517
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,800
and I also have a lot
of problems with the way...
518
00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:57,100
the drug manufacturers
go about their business
and make fantastic profits.
519
00:36:57,133 --> 00:37:01,700
My work helps to address
some of the contradictions
in my life.
520
00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:06,533
It has a healing effect
on the world, I think,
in some modest degree.
521
00:37:06,567 --> 00:37:09,533
And the Adderall has helped me
produce my writing.
522
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:14,267
The relationship
is not complicated to me.
523
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,033
It just works.
524
00:37:29,533 --> 00:37:32,633
This has been an educated trial.
525
00:37:34,467 --> 00:37:39,333
All the doctors that I am seeing
do not stay on top of my drugs,
526
00:37:39,367 --> 00:37:41,633
and it's a good thing
that I do.
527
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,033
I'm my own case manager.
528
00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:48,733
It's true.
529
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:51,600
Keeps me on my toes.
530
00:37:51,633 --> 00:37:53,400
I can see how right now she
would feel really strongly...
531
00:37:53,433 --> 00:37:55,800
that she's doing
the right thing.
532
00:37:55,833 --> 00:37:58,733
Of course, a lot
of the medicine she takes
have these side effects.
533
00:37:58,767 --> 00:38:02,133
Always mitigating symptoms,
534
00:38:02,167 --> 00:38:05,233
but not dealing really directly
with the problem necessarily.
535
00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:09,767
That's the way it seems to me
a lot of the time.
536
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,567
I did get hospitalized
for polypharmacy.
537
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,700
All kinds of weird drugs
were prescribed,
538
00:38:15,733 --> 00:38:18,200
and I got very sick
and had to be hospitalized.
539
00:38:18,233 --> 00:38:21,700
That took two weeks to detox.
540
00:38:24,067 --> 00:38:28,700
And then they started me on
a whole different pile of drugs.
541
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,100
I was watching it happen
and saying to myself,
542
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:33,700
"This doesn't seem right."
543
00:38:33,733 --> 00:38:37,400
Especially when one of
her doctors refused to see her,
544
00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:41,233
and yet he was still giving her
psychotropic drugs...
545
00:38:41,267 --> 00:38:43,667
but not monitoring her with it,
which, you know--
546
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,333
I was under the impression
that was-- that was wrong.
547
00:38:48,267 --> 00:38:50,433
That's polypharmacy
in a nutshell.
548
00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:56,767
I could've died.
549
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,633
Duffy, are you nervous?
What do you think about this?
550
00:38:59,667 --> 00:39:01,267
I'm scared.
551
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,633
What I did in Iraq
is not what I imagined...
552
00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:12,400
I would be doing
when I enlisted in the army.
553
00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:16,200
There's their makeshift mosque
out of our tents.
554
00:39:16,233 --> 00:39:18,467
My first impression
of Abu Ghraib prison was,
555
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,700
"This looks like
a concentration camp."
556
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:22,367
I didn't know
who I should be watching,
557
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,333
what I should be doing,
how I should be
conducting myself.
558
00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,700
I didn't know
how I made it there.
559
00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:32,233
Very overwhelming
for a 19 and 20-year-old kid
to be around,
560
00:39:33,633 --> 00:39:38,233
to be in charge of whether
somebody lives or dies.
561
00:39:38,267 --> 00:39:41,733
Get it done, retard!
562
00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:21,233
I would never act like I did
at Abu Ghraib prison...
563
00:40:21,267 --> 00:40:23,300
in normal life--
never, ever.
564
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,033
They way we were using
medicine there...
565
00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:28,067
was to get at the prisoners
and break them down.
566
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,733
Instead of treating people,
it was almost like...
567
00:40:29,767 --> 00:40:32,767
we were punishing them
for seeking treatment from us.
568
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,467
I mean, when I'm ordered to
give somebody a 14-gauge needle,
569
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,367
especially if they're not
in a massive trauma,
570
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,400
I know
that that's not needed.
571
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:42,733
I know that that's
purely to inflict pain.
572
00:40:42,767 --> 00:40:45,367
And that was explicitly
explained to me...
573
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,467
by the officer in charge as,
574
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,800
"Give these guys
14-gauge needles.
575
00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:53,333
"They won't want I.V.'s anymore,
'cause they're so huge
and they're so painful."
576
00:40:58,467 --> 00:41:01,333
Usually the prisoners are crying
and wailing and
screaming at you...
577
00:41:01,367 --> 00:41:02,633
when you're doing this.
578
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,700
There's nothing to feel good
about sticking a 14-gauge I.V.
in somebody for no good reason.
579
00:41:13,267 --> 00:41:16,467
I couldn't take doing that
to those people anymore.
580
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,400
I'm sure there was other people
who also felt
the same way as I did,
581
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:24,700
but Abu Ghraib Prison
was not the place
you spoke out against--
582
00:41:26,433 --> 00:41:29,500
against any type of practices
there whatsoever.
583
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,233
When Dan died, he didn't
leave much of a suicide note.
584
00:41:48,267 --> 00:41:53,200
He simply wrote, "I leave
this experience smiling."
585
00:41:53,233 --> 00:41:54,533
That's all he wrote.
586
00:41:56,267 --> 00:41:58,367
You know, doing it
all over again,
587
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,100
you know, I don't know what
I could've done differently.
588
00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:04,633
I mean, for heaven sakes,
I didn't want him in the study.
589
00:42:04,667 --> 00:42:07,700
It was not important at all
how Dan was doing.
590
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:11,233
If it were important
how he was doing,
they would've contacted me...
591
00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:15,267
after we contacted them
on Good Friday and said,
592
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,067
"Do we have to wait for him
to kill himself?"
593
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,267
And we did.
We had to wait for that.
594
00:42:25,233 --> 00:42:27,600
I called the coroner
the Monday after he died.
595
00:42:27,633 --> 00:42:30,233
I said I wanted to see him.
596
00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:33,400
And I remember her kind of
yelling at me and saying,
597
00:42:33,433 --> 00:42:37,567
"Well, don't you know
how he died?"
598
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,500
And I said,
"Well, evidently, I don't."
599
00:42:41,533 --> 00:42:44,300
And I didn't.
600
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:47,767
You know, I--
When you find out
your son kills himself,
601
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000
you don't say,
"Oh, what did he do?"
602
00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:53,633
No, I didn't know.
603
00:42:56,367 --> 00:42:59,200
But it wasn't a normal suicide.
604
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,367
He slit his throat so badly...
605
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,400
that the coroner's office said
he almost decapitated himself.
606
00:43:15,433 --> 00:43:19,567
And then she said probably
because he wasn't dying
fast enough,
607
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,600
that he slit his abdomen open...
608
00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:27,700
and reached his hand inside,
609
00:43:27,733 --> 00:43:30,500
and she said
when they found him,
610
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:36,400
his one hand had
the box cutter frozen in it,
611
00:43:36,433 --> 00:43:42,233
and the other hand was
inside his abdomen
up to his wrist.
612
00:43:45,067 --> 00:43:49,167
And, you know,
I want people to know...
613
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,733
this is what the drugs do.
614
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:55,467
If Dan simply wanted
to kill himself...
615
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,500
he wouldn't have done that.
616
00:45:13,833 --> 00:45:15,767
Sunday is a big day.
617
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,333
Getting hitched.
Tying the old knot.
618
00:45:19,367 --> 00:45:23,400
This whole wedding was paid for
by medical studies.
619
00:45:23,433 --> 00:45:28,767
Yeah, this is what $7,000 worth
of a med study looks like.
620
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,067
Jordan likes to be
really independent,
621
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,300
and I love him for that,
that he-- you know,
622
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:37,500
he's able to do these things
that are ultimately dangerous...
623
00:45:37,533 --> 00:45:41,133
to avoid
having to do a 9:00 to 5:00.
624
00:45:41,167 --> 00:45:44,233
We still keep it in the space
of not doing
really major studies...
625
00:45:44,267 --> 00:45:46,333
that can have
big problems later.
626
00:45:46,367 --> 00:45:49,800
So for now, you know,
it's Jordan doing
medical studies,
627
00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:52,533
and I'm going
to school in January
and getting a job.
628
00:45:53,833 --> 00:45:55,567
This is what happens
when you grow up, I guess.
629
00:45:57,133 --> 00:45:59,100
That's perfect.
630
00:46:24,133 --> 00:46:26,300
Somebody did the weather
for everybody,
631
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:28,633
'cause you couldn't get
a more beautiful day than today.
632
00:46:32,267 --> 00:46:34,300
Pleased to meet you, sir.
633
00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:37,367
Oh, my goodness.
What in--
634
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,533
I call that
authentic body piercing.
635
00:47:00,167 --> 00:47:02,600
Everyone is always waiting
for that one person...
636
00:47:02,633 --> 00:47:04,700
who makes
their lives complete.
637
00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:07,567
You are hands-down
the most amazing person...
638
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,033
I have ever met
in my entire life.
639
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,533
I love you.
640
00:47:15,567 --> 00:47:18,633
I was awake for hours trying
to write the perfect vows.
641
00:47:18,667 --> 00:47:22,567
Perfect vows to express
how quickly
I fell in love with you,
642
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,033
how glad I am
about who you've helped me
become as a person.
643
00:47:28,133 --> 00:47:29,667
And how crazy in love
I am with you...
644
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,100
and will be for
the rest of our lives.
645
00:47:35,167 --> 00:47:36,400
You're fine.
646
00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:59,200
Hi.
647
00:48:07,167 --> 00:48:09,300
What I do as a historian is...
648
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:12,167
look into the way
the poorer people...
649
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,233
have been exploited
and brutalized and abused...
650
00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:19,500
by the people in power...
651
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:22,333
and the people
with money.
652
00:48:22,367 --> 00:48:26,067
This includes these people
who are on the margins.
653
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,200
And it includes
human guinea pigs.
654
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:34,600
This is a history that hasn't
been told thoroughly enough.
655
00:48:34,633 --> 00:48:39,133
And there are lot of stories
that are important...
656
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,333
that haven't been
brought to light...
657
00:48:41,367 --> 00:48:44,533
and that haven't
been explored.
658
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:59,667
It's an act of solidarity
with those who have
come before you...
659
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,067
and with those
who come after you.
660
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,567
You light a torch,
and then you pass it on
to another person.
661
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,467
At the end of the day,
somebody has light
in their mind...
662
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,267
that they might not have had
if it weren't
for you yourself...
663
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,100
passing the torch.
664
00:49:18,167 --> 00:49:20,067
I'm proud of it.
665
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,200
Fuck.
666
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,600
Many people that are
in psychiatric distress...
667
00:51:00,633 --> 00:51:05,700
can especially benefit
from the acute use
of psychiatric medication.
668
00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:07,700
I don't think we need
to question that.
669
00:51:07,733 --> 00:51:10,200
But you also have
this whole other
part of society...
670
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:14,067
that is using/abusing
psychiatric medication,
671
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,233
and you can put
the medical field
in there, too,
672
00:51:16,267 --> 00:51:18,333
because they're the enablers.
673
00:51:18,367 --> 00:51:21,067
In the '90s, if you told
a family practice doctor,
674
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,467
"In ten years, you will write
a ton of prescriptions
every month...
675
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,200
for atypical antipsychotics,"
they might laugh at you.
676
00:51:26,233 --> 00:51:30,200
Now primary care
are writing atypicals...
677
00:51:30,233 --> 00:51:32,367
for add-on therapy
for depression,
678
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,467
anger management,
O.D.D., anxiety disorders.
679
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,367
They're just being used
for everything.
680
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,500
The market is being saturated
with them,
681
00:51:39,533 --> 00:51:41,800
but most importantly
by primary care.
682
00:51:41,833 --> 00:51:46,767
That's-- I think that's
the most important thing
that pharma has figured out.
683
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,633
I'm tracking a case
about a psychiatrist...
684
00:51:52,667 --> 00:51:56,467
who claims that a major part
of her job now is detox.
685
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,333
She has patients who come in
on a cocktail of medications...
686
00:51:59,367 --> 00:52:03,700
from one primary care doctor
who thinks he's an expert
on bipolar disorder.
687
00:52:03,733 --> 00:52:05,367
She gets the patient,
and she says...
688
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,467
they're on all
the wrong medications.
689
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,200
They're not bipolar.
They're depressed.
690
00:52:10,233 --> 00:52:13,667
And then her job is
to titrate the patient
off these medications,
691
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,667
get them on perhaps
one medication for depression.
692
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:21,233
This is a future of psychiatry
we could think about,
693
00:52:21,267 --> 00:52:23,367
which is, psychiatry is detox.
694
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,200
Psychiatry more and more,
695
00:52:25,233 --> 00:52:28,633
they're dealing with
the polypharmacy generated
by primary care,
696
00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:31,533
and in this case,
they ask the question,
697
00:52:31,567 --> 00:52:35,167
"Why are primary care doctors
writing all these
atypical antipsychotics?"
698
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,233
We have millions of people
that are being prescribed
psychiatric medications...
699
00:52:40,267 --> 00:52:42,367
sometimes appropriate use,
700
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,200
but a large part of that
population is being prescribed
psychiatric medication...
701
00:52:46,233 --> 00:52:49,767
where it may not be warranted
or indicated.
702
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,633
But it's in demand.
703
00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:26,467
I think how the V.A. system
is set up right now,
704
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,700
you don't have to be
going to therapy
to get the drugs.
705
00:53:29,733 --> 00:53:32,467
They'll prescribe you
the medication.
706
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,700
If you want therapy,
they film the entire session,
707
00:53:35,733 --> 00:53:38,033
which is
extremely uncomfortable,
708
00:53:38,067 --> 00:53:40,600
and they have a set program
for P.T.S.D....
709
00:53:40,633 --> 00:53:44,200
that just simply...
doesn't work.
710
00:53:44,233 --> 00:53:46,700
There's really no continuity
to your care,
711
00:53:46,733 --> 00:53:48,767
because a lot of these guys
are residents,
712
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,133
and you might see them
once or twice.
713
00:53:51,167 --> 00:53:53,700
And so they don't know
what you've even been on
half the time,
714
00:53:53,733 --> 00:53:57,667
so they try to give you
the same drugs that have
already failed for you.
715
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,533
P.T.S.D. is not a new thing.
It's been around forever.
716
00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:06,167
And I think they should
be a little slower
to just hand you drugs,
717
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,100
say,
"I hope these work for you,"
718
00:54:08,133 --> 00:54:10,133
send you out the door...
719
00:54:10,167 --> 00:54:14,467
than pursue even, like,
alternate therapy treatments
that could work for people.
720
00:54:21,267 --> 00:54:22,800
It's hard to let go
of the military.
721
00:54:22,833 --> 00:54:25,433
- It's still hard to let go
of the military for me.
722
00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:27,600
I mean, I miss my friends.
I miss my buddies.
723
00:54:27,633 --> 00:54:29,733
I miss helping people out
as a medic.
724
00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:33,800
But now I have the support
of soldiers that are for peace.
725
00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:36,667
- I get the support here
from Veterans for Peace...
726
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:40,400
and Iraq Veterans
against the War
that I don't get at the V.A.
727
00:54:42,567 --> 00:54:45,167
People seem to truly care
about me.
728
00:54:47,433 --> 00:54:50,067
It's anxiety-inducing,
but at the same time,
729
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,567
it's also very rewarding
to finally be able to
open up more...
730
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,167
than I would to any psychologist
or anything.
731
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,667
They're there for me.
732
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,700
If I go into
a panic-attack type state,
733
00:55:00,733 --> 00:55:02,533
you know, I have
a supportive environment.
734
00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:05,333
I don't need to turn
to benzodiazepine.
735
00:55:05,367 --> 00:55:07,200
You know, I don't have
to take a Xanax.
736
00:55:07,233 --> 00:55:09,400
I don't have to pop a Klonopin
to calm myself down.
737
00:55:09,433 --> 00:55:11,767
I have someone that's
right there next to me...
738
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,100
that has been where I've been,
dealt with the same problems,
739
00:55:15,133 --> 00:55:17,067
often times dealt
with them longer,
740
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,733
and knows exactly
what to do and to say...
741
00:55:19,767 --> 00:55:24,100
to try to pull me back in
and get back to myself.
742
00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:25,567
It's too easy to sit
in your house...
743
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,167
and pop pills
and drink alcohol.
744
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,700
It's much harder to step out
in the real world...
745
00:55:31,733 --> 00:55:36,300
and try to right the wrongs
that I feel I've done to people.
746
00:56:13,633 --> 00:56:15,567
I guess I kind of started
getting tattoos...
747
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,133
because it was, like, something
nobody could take away from me,
you know?
748
00:56:20,633 --> 00:56:24,400
Go through a little pain
getting some nice tattoos...
749
00:56:24,433 --> 00:56:26,400
and release a little pain
at the same time, I guess.
750
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:18,067
A lot of people who do studies
seem to like to gamble.
751
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:22,200
I mean, I'm playing
for the one chance
that I might hit it big.
752
00:57:31,367 --> 00:57:33,133
Just a money issue.
753
00:57:33,167 --> 00:57:38,067
Either I don't have the money
or I don't have enough.
754
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,400
In the past I've had a lot
more issues with gambling...
755
00:57:53,433 --> 00:57:57,500
where I would not pay my bills
that I should be paying.
756
00:57:57,533 --> 00:58:00,033
But I didn't have any support
from my parents,
757
00:58:00,067 --> 00:58:02,167
and I really didn't have
any support from anywhere else,
758
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,467
so I basically
dropped out there
into the world...
759
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,300
and made a lot of mistakes.
760
00:58:11,333 --> 00:58:16,267
I lost a really good job.
I was a bus driver for a while.
761
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:20,433
- That kind of snowballed
into not paying my rent...
762
00:58:20,467 --> 00:58:23,133
and not making car payments.
763
00:58:25,767 --> 00:58:27,667
So eventually,
I ended up homeless.
764
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:32,067
I mean, it was not a good time
in my life.
765
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:35,067
So that's, like, one
of those dirty things,
766
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,633
like, once I--
767
00:58:37,667 --> 00:58:40,067
once you've experienced
homelessness,
768
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,700
you just never really
get over it.
769
00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:50,533
- It has been an issue, like,
in the last few years...
770
00:58:50,567 --> 00:58:53,633
where I'd rather go to Vegas
and piss away some money...
771
00:58:53,667 --> 00:58:57,533
just knowing that I can survive
till the next study
on the street.
772
00:59:10,667 --> 00:59:15,700
If that were to ever dissipate,
I'm not really sure
where I'd end up.
773
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,067
Been a downhill spiral.
774
01:00:18,467 --> 01:00:22,633
But... it's money
I can afford to lose.
775
01:00:26,167 --> 01:00:29,567
Tomorrow I'm gonna go back
to Austin.
776
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,100
I'm looking for
my next study, but--
777
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,567
Just slim pickings
at the moment.
778
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,300
Sometimes when I go home
from Vegas, it's--
779
01:00:46,333 --> 01:00:48,600
I know what
I'm going home to--
780
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,367
the streets.
781
01:01:23,833 --> 01:01:26,233
Did you hear it?
782
01:01:26,267 --> 01:01:28,267
Do you hear the cricket?
783
01:01:40,333 --> 01:01:44,600
It's been over seven years,
and I don't know where
the years went.
784
01:01:48,067 --> 01:01:53,300
I don't think there is
a minute that goes by
that I don't think of him.
785
01:01:57,267 --> 01:01:59,433
I have his ashes.
786
01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,433
Yeah, I have some in here.
787
01:02:03,167 --> 01:02:05,733
Yes, he is
right by my heart.
788
01:02:10,467 --> 01:02:14,400
Sometimes I almost feel as
though he should talk to me.
789
01:02:18,767 --> 01:02:21,267
And tell me where you are.
790
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:29,767
Wherever Dan is,
I know that he is well...
791
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:36,600
and it is a place for him
of peace.
792
01:02:36,633 --> 01:02:40,700
And sometimes I think
that no human being...
793
01:02:40,733 --> 01:02:44,033
will ever have total peace.
794
01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:48,633
I mean,
every life has problems.
795
01:02:48,667 --> 01:02:54,367
But I think after we're gone on,
we've gone on to another place.
796
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,700
I think
all these worries dissolve.
797
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,367
And it's like at that point,
we don't have an age.
798
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,367
We're just who we are...
799
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,533
and who we were
meant to be.
800
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:38,200
Holmesburg was a--
a mean experience, you know?
I was lost.
801
01:03:38,233 --> 01:03:40,267
And that's when
I first found Islam.
802
01:03:41,333 --> 01:03:43,200
It changed my life.
803
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,567
Dr. Kligman--
just recently passed away.
804
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,567
God rest his soul
if he can,
805
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,200
'cause all the corrupt
things he did--
his sins is on him.
806
01:03:54,233 --> 01:03:58,167
If he has forgiveness
coming to him,
he's gonna get it.
807
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,067
You know, that's-- that's it.
That's the way forgiveness go.
808
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,067
Allah's the one
who's got to forgive him.
809
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,167
You know? Yeah.
810
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,267
I mean, I feel hurt
that he coerced us...
811
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:12,267
to believe that
those tests was safe.
812
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:16,300
You see, I feel hurt
that he did that
for the sake of money.
813
01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:19,700
But, uh, Allah heals wounds.
814
01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:21,367
Allah heals wounds, you know?
815
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,633
You need that.
816
01:04:25,667 --> 01:04:27,533
Everybody need
a shot of Islam,
817
01:04:27,567 --> 01:04:30,233
not a shot of alcohol
or a shot of drugs.
818
01:04:30,267 --> 01:04:31,733
You see what I'm saying?
819
01:04:31,767 --> 01:04:34,000
You have the rope of Allah
to hold on to.
820
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,133
I do pray for health,
821
01:04:40,167 --> 01:04:45,467
and I do pray over the medicine
so that it's doing its job,
822
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:48,167
and I can get away
with less and less.
823
01:05:47,133 --> 01:05:49,200
Hello?
824
01:05:51,533 --> 01:05:53,533
Bill collector.
825
01:06:16,367 --> 01:06:18,667
It's a good thing
I'm not depressed...
826
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:22,133
or I would have a hell
of a weaponry pile right here.
827
01:06:26,533 --> 01:06:28,600
And that's the way it's done...
828
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:32,767
every day.
829
01:06:37,533 --> 01:06:42,133
I wish I wasn't mentally ill.
I mean, it's the pits.
830
01:06:53,633 --> 01:06:56,733
God's grace is amazing.
831
01:06:56,767 --> 01:06:58,533
And His grace never ends.
832
01:06:58,567 --> 01:07:01,167
We're constantly
being drenched in it.
833
01:07:02,533 --> 01:07:04,767
I love my Lord so much.
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