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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:55,889 -They needed a cheap car. 2 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:01,955 For some reason they were interested in... 3 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:06,542 In the Caprice, an old-style car. 4 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:10,421 So I hand them the keys, they go and they look at the car. 5 00:01:10,445 --> 00:01:12,340 They're in and out of the car. 6 00:01:12,364 --> 00:01:14,509 He was laying in the back looking around. 7 00:01:14,533 --> 00:01:16,994 You know the trunk's open, the doors are open. 8 00:01:19,663 --> 00:01:21,391 I don't, it was kind of strange 9 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:23,726 the way they were feeling the car out. 10 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,228 I kind of got the feeling that he didn't want me 11 00:01:25,252 --> 00:01:27,397 to know any of his business. 12 00:01:27,421 --> 00:01:31,192 So we did all the paperwork, 13 00:01:31,216 --> 00:01:34,821 gave him the keys, 14 00:01:34,845 --> 00:01:37,597 hopped in the car, took off. 15 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:29,625 - Hello, this is a call from... - Lee Malvo. 16 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:32,003 -...an inmate at the Virginia Department of Corrections, 17 00:02:32,027 --> 00:02:35,006 Red Onion State Prison. 18 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:40,053 -41-year-old man, John Muhammad, and a Jamaican-born teenager 19 00:02:40,077 --> 00:02:43,306 -Sniper team that terrorized the Washington metropolitan area. 20 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:46,309 -19-11 I have one down, there's blood all over. 21 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:47,935 -I'm at the Mobil gas station. 22 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:50,855 - the most intense manhunts in American history. 23 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,441 -The serial killer hunting down random citizens. 24 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:55,276 -We have fear levels here 25 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:58,196 that I think are higher than they were after September 11th. 26 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:59,739 -Please let me go! Let me go past! 27 00:02:59,763 --> 00:03:02,200 -President Bush is talking about fighting Iraq, 28 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,310 and we have a warzone right here in his own country. 29 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:11,334 -Ohh, oh man, oh man. 32 00:04:08,081 --> 00:04:11,727 -Muhammad decided to return to the United States. 33 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:15,839 So Lee travelled with Muhammad and Muhammad's children. 34 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:30,705 -Muhammad and his wife had separated. 35 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:34,041 She had primary custody, but he had stolen the kids, 36 00:04:34,065 --> 00:04:39,130 and taken them to Antigua for about 18 months. 37 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:43,176 And so, when Lee travelled up with Muhammad 38 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,845 and Muhammad's children, 39 00:04:45,869 --> 00:04:50,540 the saga began in the United States. 40 00:04:57,047 --> 00:05:00,860 -Not know where your children are... 41 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:04,614 There are just no words that I can say to you 42 00:05:04,638 --> 00:05:08,701 to describe that type of pain. 43 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:11,787 There were times when I felt that John was going to wait 44 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:15,625 until they went to sleep and shoot them in the head. 45 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:19,837 There were times when I felt that, 46 00:05:19,861 --> 00:05:22,256 "How am I going to get them back? 47 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,759 I don't know where they are. Nobody's helping me." 49 00:05:31,748 --> 00:05:33,809 -My sergeant came up and he said 50 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:38,481 that this man applied for welfare benefits. 51 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:42,068 -John went to file for food stamps and cash. 52 00:05:42,092 --> 00:05:44,737 -There was something not right with this application. 53 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:46,864 They determined to take the children 54 00:05:46,888 --> 00:05:48,908 into protective custody. 55 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:50,284 I call Mildred. 56 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:52,078 -He said, "We got your children," 57 00:05:52,102 --> 00:05:54,038 I was like, "What you talking about?" 58 00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:58,209 -I said I have your children, and then on the other end... 59 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:00,836 -I screamed. 60 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:02,964 I was crying, I was yelling 61 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:06,050 -"They found my babies, they found my babies." 62 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:08,886 I said, "They found my children, they found my children." 63 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:11,597 -And you can almost hear that she's jumping up and down 64 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:13,599 -"We need for you to come back for an emergency custody 65 00:06:13,623 --> 00:06:14,934 hearing, Can you come back?" 66 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,144 Yes, I can. 67 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:21,816 -Mildred walked in, she had the biggest smile. 68 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,527 And she just asked me... 69 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:26,362 "Will you go with me to the courtroom?" 70 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,614 I said, "Sure." I didn't think anything twice. 71 00:06:28,638 --> 00:06:30,432 -The judge says... 72 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:27,548 -They gave him a document 73 00:07:27,572 --> 00:07:29,759 he needed to sign to release the children. 74 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:34,055 He signed the document and flipped it back to the court. 75 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,932 Judge said, "Case dismissed." 76 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:39,143 -He hit the gavel. 77 00:07:39,167 --> 00:07:42,021 Mildred and I, we were just tearful. 78 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:45,483 The attorney was happy. We're walking outside... 79 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:47,318 -I turn, and it's John. 80 00:07:47,342 --> 00:07:51,238 He's walking towards me, I take off down the hallway. 81 00:07:51,262 --> 00:07:52,907 Shoes go everywhere. 82 00:07:52,931 --> 00:07:57,620 -And I looked up, and John passes right by me, 83 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,164 walking swiftly, right by me. 84 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:02,708 I'm up against the wall, just... 85 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:04,877 -John put his hand on the courtroom door, 86 00:08:04,901 --> 00:08:09,048 looked at me and said, "Gotcha." 87 00:08:09,072 --> 00:08:11,342 My attorney said, "Oh, hell no, 88 00:08:11,366 --> 00:08:15,471 we gotta leave out of here tonight." 89 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,265 -The children are gone 90 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:23,604 because Mildred has permission to take them out of the state. 91 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:26,816 All of that John found out in one day 92 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,984 in ten minutes. 93 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:30,945 That he was divorced, 94 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:36,325 that his children were no longer under his care, legally. 95 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:38,351 Yeah. It was a lot. 96 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,558 -And, I said "John, you're not going to do 97 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:44,226 anything to Mildred are you?" 98 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:46,812 And he said "No"... he chuckled, 99 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:50,691 "No, Holmes, I'm not going to do anything to Mildred." 100 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:51,984 -Didn't see John again. 101 00:09:52,008 --> 00:09:55,696 Didn't hear from him, nothing. 102 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,240 You know, we were cautious a few days, 103 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:02,453 but we never... We never saw him again. 104 00:10:02,477 --> 00:10:08,209 We were going about our seemingly normal lives. 105 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:15,466 My niece had a beautiful baby girl and moved in with us. 106 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:23,490 107 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:26,602 Beautiful woman. 108 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,813 She wanted to learn restaurant operation. 109 00:10:28,837 --> 00:10:31,649 She wanted to open up a restaurant. 110 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:38,405 And the baby, was just the... Just the center of our joy. 111 00:10:38,429 --> 00:10:46,429 112 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:17,069 -I knew Keenya was gone. 113 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:21,490 But I'm praying, I'm asking Keenya to hold on, 114 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:23,409 hang in there. 115 00:11:23,433 --> 00:11:26,519 She was gone. She was gone. 116 00:11:28,938 --> 00:11:32,418 Keenya had been shot. 117 00:11:32,442 --> 00:11:36,672 Didn't know who, didn't know why. 118 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:42,720 Um, all I knew was that she lied in that doorway 119 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:45,514 from answering the door. 120 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:52,712 When that, um, man put that sheet over her body... 121 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,529 my life was never the same. 122 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:08,553 123 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:17,729 124 00:13:51,706 --> 00:13:53,934 -Good evening. 125 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:58,772 A long year has passed since enemies attacked our country. 126 00:13:58,796 --> 00:14:00,482 We have seen the images so many times, 127 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:04,194 they are seared on our souls. 128 00:14:04,218 --> 00:14:07,406 The attack on our nation was also an attack on the ideals 129 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:10,909 that make us a nation. 130 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:14,913 Our generation has now heard history's call, 131 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:16,522 and we will answer it. 132 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:22,880 Now, and in the future, 133 00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:28,719 Americans will live as free people, not in fear. 134 00:14:28,743 --> 00:14:34,183 We will not allow any terrorists to threaten our country. 135 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:36,935 May God Bless America. 136 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,938 And the light shines in the darkness, 137 00:14:39,962 --> 00:14:43,859 and the darkness will not overcome it. 138 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:51,867 139 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:59,857 140 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:11,045 141 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,742 -It was a beautiful fall afternoon. 142 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:17,452 And as I was sitting here waiting for traffic to clear 143 00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:20,372 to pull out on the road, I heard this just enormously loud, 144 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:22,481 echoing sound. 145 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:27,588 Realizing something's going on over there, 146 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:30,340 I drove back up the block to the Shoppers Food Warehouse 147 00:16:30,364 --> 00:16:32,426 parking lot. 148 00:16:32,450 --> 00:16:33,784 -16-13. 149 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:42,561 The victim was on the ground on the far side 150 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:44,605 by those other parking spaces. 151 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:46,148 I could see he was bleeding. 152 00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:49,151 He wasn't breathing, he did not have a pulse. 153 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:50,927 He was already gone. 154 00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:07,502 -I remember the feel of it at the time. 155 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,963 A year after 9/11, 156 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:13,467 things were different than they had been before. 157 00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:14,951 Those things affect us. 158 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:40,426 159 00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:46,375 -And good morning, welcome to "Today," I'm Matt Lauer. 160 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:50,337 - And I'm Katie Couric. - Thursday October 3, 2002. 161 00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:53,215 -Now for the morning's top stories, let's go over 162 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:55,133 to Ann at the news desk. Ann, good morning. 163 00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:57,886 -Good morning, Katie and Matt. Good morning, everybody. 164 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:00,889 A number of developments in the showdown over Iraq. 165 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,724 Today the Chief UN weapons inspector 166 00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:04,518 briefed the security council to send weapons inspectors 167 00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:06,812 back to Iraq. 168 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:09,523 -If the president determines that he has to act unilaterally 169 00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:13,360 to protect American people, he can. 170 00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:15,904 -Saddam must disarm. 171 00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:17,948 Period 172 00:18:17,972 --> 00:18:19,992 -It is now 7:14. 173 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:21,535 - Alright, Ann. - Thank you very much. 174 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,246 Meanwhile Al Roker has more on Hurricane Lilly 175 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,832 this morning from the Weather Center. 176 00:18:26,856 --> 00:18:28,625 -We do have a tornado watch in effect 177 00:18:28,649 --> 00:18:30,419 for a good portion of Louisiana, 178 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,879 and in fact, you can see we have very strong winds 179 00:18:32,903 --> 00:18:34,798 coming on shore with a lot of rain, 180 00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:36,300 heavy rain right now, 181 00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:38,552 right there just to the south of Louisiana. 182 00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:39,845 What we're expecting 183 00:18:39,869 --> 00:18:42,264 is a storm surge too, it's actually... 184 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:47,978 -Many people wondered whether there was something 185 00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,856 they should have done. 186 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,109 Here were two people who they accepted, 187 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:58,572 who they had an idea of who they were. 188 00:18:58,596 --> 00:19:05,287 189 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:09,357 In October, I arrived in the YMCA in the morning... 190 00:19:11,525 --> 00:19:17,299 and noticed a late model car where two men were sleeping, 191 00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:22,179 one at the wheel and the other in the back seat 192 00:19:22,203 --> 00:19:25,915 with his feet propped up over the passenger seat. 193 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:30,812 That hit me the wrong way. 194 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:37,652 In 20 years, I'd never seen anyone sleeping at the YMCA. 195 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:40,513 But I said to myself, "Just chill out." 196 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:48,372 What I learned was, they'd been readily accepted at the YMCA, 197 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:50,665 I simply hadn't noticed them. 198 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:53,043 Both of them were using the weight room. 199 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:59,716 Both of them quickly developed trusting friendships. 200 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:05,079 Some people knew them as John and Lee. 201 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,436 Some people didn't know their names. 202 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,898 But the older guy knew everyone's name. 203 00:20:14,922 --> 00:20:17,508 If he met someone, he learned their name. 204 00:20:22,096 --> 00:20:25,933 But is this person the person I think he is? 205 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:29,996 And the answer was "No." 206 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:37,027 207 00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:44,136 -This is WAMU Washington, 88.5FM. 208 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,846 From American University, 209 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:48,390 your NPR news station in the nation's capital. 210 00:20:48,414 --> 00:20:50,892 -From the WTOP 24-hour weather center 211 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:53,311 clouds around tonight, but probably little rain, 212 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,087 a slight chance of a shower or two. 213 00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:22,400 214 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:30,367 -On that first day, Thursday, went into work, early update, 215 00:22:30,391 --> 00:22:33,435 there's really no change from last night's incident. 216 00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:40,835 The gentleman shot on his way to the grocery store, 217 00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:44,005 there wasn't a lot to go on. 218 00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:47,842 -Because we had a lot of people that heard these gunshots, 219 00:22:47,866 --> 00:22:49,660 but nobody saw anything. 220 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,393 We didn't have that many homicides in Montgomery County. 221 00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:59,712 We might have an average of 20 year... 20 a year, 25. 222 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:06,278 We would respond to suicides, people falling off ladders, 223 00:23:06,302 --> 00:23:08,405 that sort of thing. 224 00:23:08,429 --> 00:23:11,366 -So, when I talked to the Chief, I told him, I said, 225 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:15,203 "Nothing about him rang," you know, 226 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:16,663 "he should be a victim of violence 227 00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:18,290 based on what he's involved in." 228 00:23:18,314 --> 00:23:21,126 It seemed very, um, random. 229 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:28,967 230 00:23:28,991 --> 00:23:33,013 -It was like, "Well, this must have some type of back story 231 00:23:33,037 --> 00:23:36,516 that we're just going to figure out later. 232 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:38,393 Then it'll all come together." 233 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:45,859 234 00:23:45,883 --> 00:23:53,223 235 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:30,419 236 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:42,306 237 00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:48,963 -When I drove up, 238 00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:52,634 I could see the lawnmower just kind of half on the curb, 239 00:24:52,658 --> 00:24:54,177 like maybe it just cut off. 240 00:24:54,201 --> 00:25:00,350 241 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:01,643 There was a little bit of commotion, 242 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:06,106 and a few people were around Sonny. 243 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:08,566 So when I went over there and kneeled down, 244 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:10,694 I could see the blood, 245 00:25:10,718 --> 00:25:13,822 and I put my hand on his shoulder. 246 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:16,449 And I tried to say, you know, "Don't try to get up. 247 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:18,225 We got help coming on the way." 248 00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:24,499 Tried to give him as much comfort as I could. 249 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,835 I do remember him taking his last breath, 250 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:30,839 which was, uh, that's something I won't forget. 251 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:38,863 252 00:25:41,832 --> 00:25:46,855 {\an1}I've never been beside somebody that died right in front of you. 253 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:52,926 254 00:26:19,536 --> 00:26:21,973 -He may have had an accident while he was mowing the lawn. 255 00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:26,311 -And you just kind of go, "Well, was this a crime, 256 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:29,838 is this a shooting, or is this an accident?" 257 00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:36,529 -There was a EMS personnel, and he said to me, 258 00:26:36,553 --> 00:26:40,492 "Doc, this man bled like I've never seen before." 259 00:26:40,516 --> 00:26:46,498 260 00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,082 I just kept shaking my head, 261 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:51,878 said, "This doesn't add up to a lawnmower accident." 262 00:26:51,902 --> 00:26:55,924 We flipped him and saw the entrance wound. 263 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:58,802 A very high velocity bullet. 264 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:02,764 We were able to track it up through the chest. 265 00:27:02,788 --> 00:27:07,936 A small bullet may carry a tremendous amount of energy. 266 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,965 And the energy, when it strikes tissue, dissipates 267 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:18,220 and ravages any soft tissue in its path. 268 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:37,948 -We started thinking army type, high-powered rifle. 269 00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:49,084 -Okay, I get it now, this is clearly a homicide. 270 00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:07,662 -I drove up here, and I wound down the passenger side window. 271 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,980 It was a very warm day, and my son was in the back. 272 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:20,466 -And I looked to my right, and there was a man, taxi man, 273 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:23,344 filling the car from under the license plate, 274 00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:25,388 which I had never seen before. 275 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:28,182 And I looked at him, and he made eye contact with me, 276 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:30,351 and I sort of smiled and nodded. 277 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,604 I was a little bit embarrassed that I was staring at him. 278 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,338 And he sort of nodded back. 279 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:39,611 -And then I looked down to get my bag 280 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:41,428 and pull my credit card out. 281 00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:48,119 -And then I heard a bang. 282 00:28:48,143 --> 00:28:54,542 283 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,961 I got out of the car. 284 00:28:56,985 --> 00:28:59,279 I was shaking. 285 00:29:01,698 --> 00:29:03,635 I was really terrified. 286 00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:11,659 287 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:27,283 -I believe we were still working off pagers at the time. 288 00:29:27,307 --> 00:29:30,745 I get a page about the Mobil gas station shooting, 289 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,080 Mr Walekar. 290 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:33,397 He'd been shot. 291 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:53,083 292 00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:00,334 Hurry 293 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:02,128 -Travelling to the Mobil station, 294 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,881 call came over the radio that we had a suicide 295 00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:08,992 that occurred, um, in front of the chicken store. 296 00:31:11,286 --> 00:31:14,557 When I got to the Mobil station, a lot of pandemonium. 297 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:19,353 We had people that heard a shot, but we had no eyewitnesses. 298 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,689 -I get another page, and they go, 299 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,816 they can't find a gun at the suicide. 300 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,903 -This is no suicide, that was a homicide, 301 00:31:26,927 --> 00:31:28,553 she was shot in the head. 302 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:39,624 So, within the hour, I now have a homicide down in Bethesda, 303 00:31:39,648 --> 00:31:41,375 I have a homicide that occurred 304 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,961 at the shopping center up the street, 305 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:48,216 and then the homicide that I was on at the Mobil station. 306 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,886 -Homicides back to back to back to back. 307 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,163 And so at this point, I go to the gas station. 308 00:32:00,377 --> 00:32:02,587 -This is... there's the cab right through there. 309 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,029 -Media have begun to amass, 310 00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:12,198 and we told them, "Let us figure out what we have, 311 00:32:12,222 --> 00:32:14,367 and I'll be over as soon as we could." 312 00:32:14,391 --> 00:32:17,995 -It is bone-chilling, this rampage of violence 313 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:22,083 that occurred here in Montgomery County in suburban Washington. 314 00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:23,918 This is really mindboggling. 315 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,920 -They wanted to know what was going on. 316 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,214 They wanted the information, and they wanted it now. 317 00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:32,135 They were not just hungry for information to do their job, 318 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:35,054 they were hungry for information just like the public was, 319 00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:38,266 out of fear that they didn't know what was going on. 320 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,601 -We understand people wanna know about this, 321 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:44,188 but at this point, we have very little hard evidence. 322 00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:45,652 We don't know who we're dealing with. 323 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:50,927 -We didn't have much to give them. 324 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,951 -But when Sarah Ramos was shot, there's a witness that comes up 325 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,453 and says that after the sound of the shot, 326 00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:01,789 there was a white van that sped rapidly 327 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:03,875 form the scene of the crime. 328 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:08,254 And at that point, that's the only information that we have. 329 00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:13,092 It's possibly an Isuzu, what they call a box truck. 330 00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,927 Sort of like the U-Haul smaller ones 331 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:16,345 when you move your furniture. 332 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:19,140 Uh, damage to the left rear lift panel. 333 00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:21,225 Small black lettering on the side. 334 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:22,935 If you're a business owner and you get deliveries 335 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:24,312 from a truck that sounds like this, 336 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,397 and it has or has not delivered today, 337 00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:28,316 that doesn't matter, we'd like to hear from you. 338 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,693 -So that actually might be a good lead for you then? 339 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:32,719 -Yes. 340 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:57,011 -If you see a vehicle 341 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:59,096 that matches the description, call us. 342 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,973 Don't approach it, just get, you know, 343 00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:03,375 get to the nearest phone and dial 911. 344 00:34:15,804 --> 00:34:19,075 -The truth of the matter is they really don't know much 345 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:22,119 about the suspect or suspects involved here. 346 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:24,288 They don't know uh, a description, 347 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,706 they don't have a motive, 348 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:28,751 and they really don't know what to look for. 349 00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:30,127 -Excuse me. 350 00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:31,796 -We had early reports it was a truck? 351 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,590 -The chief... Chief is, doing his best 352 00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:37,385 to keep the situation calm here, 353 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:42,139 what we have are 5 separate shootings... 354 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:49,879 355 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,911 - by this time tomorrow morning, 356 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:06,247 it, of course, will be a much weaker storm, 357 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:07,790 probably just a tropical depression 358 00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:09,458 bringing a lot of heavy rain. 359 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:11,168 That's what's going on around the country, 360 00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:13,528 here's what's happening in your neck of the woods. 361 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,475 -The Senate is debating whether to give the President 362 00:35:26,499 --> 00:35:28,936 the go-ahead to use force 363 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,274 -My intent is to put together a vast coalition of countries 364 00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:36,301 who understand the threat of Saddam Hussein. 365 00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:43,492 -Saddam has got to understand 366 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,101 that the will of this country is strong. 367 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:43,928 368 00:36:43,952 --> 00:36:50,684 369 00:36:50,708 --> 00:36:55,398 -When you track the progression of John Muhammad, 370 00:36:55,422 --> 00:36:58,901 it's almost like a summer storm. 371 00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:01,612 It started with a drop. 372 00:37:01,636 --> 00:37:04,448 Then another drop. Then a spray. 373 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:06,909 Then the rain. 374 00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:08,994 Then the storm. 375 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:10,704 Then just madness. 376 00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:18,728 377 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:25,010 That first day, I don't think any of us thought 378 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:27,638 this would be weeks and weeks. 379 00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:31,308 So many innocent lives. 380 00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:34,270 The question is, "Why?" 381 00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:40,592 So, coming to Baton Rouge was my desire to know why... 382 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:46,240 John Muhammad. 383 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:50,035 It was almost like... he almost dropped the Muhammad 384 00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:53,289 because he was a "Williams," 385 00:37:53,313 --> 00:37:57,692 part of a Williams family, that was deep. 386 00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:05,492 -We're still wondering and trying to find out why... 387 00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:10,747 to understand what went wrong. 388 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:17,271 I have a picture of him. 389 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:18,689 Every time I look at it, 390 00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:22,276 it just brings tears to my eyes though. 391 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,153 I don't, uh, I don't look. 392 00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:30,242 393 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:34,371 His mother, she had breast cancer, 394 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:39,543 back in the '60s, and she passed away. 395 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,129 John was about 3. 396 00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:46,133 She was always hugging them, kissing them, telling them, 397 00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:48,344 "I love you." 398 00:38:48,368 --> 00:38:50,971 John's father was called Ernest. 399 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,766 He lived in New Orleans. 400 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,810 He worked on the train. 401 00:38:56,834 --> 00:38:59,980 He would come to Baton Rouge sometimes, 402 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:03,317 on weekends and stay. 403 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:09,240 But after the mother passed, he wasn't there. 404 00:39:09,264 --> 00:39:11,867 He wasn't there. 405 00:39:11,891 --> 00:39:13,452 He wasn't. 406 00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,061 He wasn't there. 407 00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:20,918 I told him, "John, I'm going to be your mother now." 408 00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:28,942 409 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,849 Excuse me... 410 00:39:35,873 --> 00:39:38,852 I said, "I'm going to be your mother, 411 00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:41,438 I want you to call me Mommy." 412 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:45,109 And he told me, "No," he never did call me Mommy. 413 00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:53,133 414 00:40:23,004 --> 00:40:25,506 -I think the world thinks that he was a monster. 415 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:30,219 Is there such a thing as a monster? 416 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:39,163 I first met him at my parents' home. 417 00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:42,666 He was tall, dark, and handsome. 418 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:47,713 He liked to have fun, he liked to kid around. 419 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:51,342 What I heard from him, and also his brother, he was raised... 420 00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:54,595 It was several families living in one house. 421 00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,263 They got the last of everything. 422 00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:58,265 They got hand-me-down clothes. 423 00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:02,102 They didn't get an opportunity to get new things. 424 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:06,023 They always got the leftovers. 425 00:41:06,047 --> 00:41:07,566 That's how they lived. 426 00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:10,736 -Mnh-mnh. That's what I told you, we were poor. 427 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,991 I remember hearing my father say he made $2.00 at work all day. 428 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:17,951 Get $2.00. 429 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:22,289 They were working in fields, plantations. 430 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:29,654 431 00:41:56,931 --> 00:41:59,993 -Descendants of slaves who were taken 432 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:02,079 and brought here as a commodity 433 00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:04,415 on the banks of the Mississippi River, 434 00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:07,751 and then deposited after it was all over 435 00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:09,444 and say, "Now live your life." 436 00:42:28,337 --> 00:42:32,776 -I can see that he was trying to find something to fit in. 437 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,096 And he never really found that when we were together. 438 00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:42,769 It was still something missing. 439 00:43:17,887 --> 00:43:19,823 -Five people shot and killed 440 00:43:19,847 --> 00:43:22,534 within a 1-mile radius in the span of 16 hours. 441 00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,411 -You're the police. You're supposed to find, 442 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:28,022 you're supposed to protect us, and we couldn't do any of that. 443 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:38,133 -I saw like a car moved off from behind these trees here. 444 00:43:38,157 --> 00:43:41,094 It was a Caprice, a dark color Caprice. Subs extracted and de-HI'd by Peppe @ 2021 31473

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