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- All these people
here to enjoy the
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outdoors and boy, they have
no idea what just drove by.
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And we'll go right up the
top of the mountain and...
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spray 'em all.
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Douglas County Parks
picnic area here.
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Swift Water Park.
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So we'll go up top
and toxify things.
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- These helicopters
flying over the ridge
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spraying something and they
didn't even see the kids.
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The kids were all fishing or
just playing by the river.
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And the kids were all
choking and gasping.
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That night they were
all really sick.
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They had diarrhea, they were
having trouble breathing.
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We went down to the
river that next day
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and that's when we
found dead ducklings
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and dead crayfish, dead trout.
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We called the Forest Service
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and they said, "Oh no,
it's perfectly safe."
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It was a mixture 2,4-D
and 2,4,5-T, Agent Orange,
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that was banned in Vietnam
and nobody realized
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that the same chemicals
were being used here.
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And it's still going on.
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- Agent Orange
was a tremendously
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destructive component of a
tremendously destructive war.
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In its own unique
way, Agent Orange was
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the most destructive instance
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of chemical warfare
in modern history.
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- You're such a
good puppy, uh-huh.
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You're gonna be a big help?
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This is our newt pond.
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If the sun comes out,
the newts will come out
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but they're all in
hiding, and in the spring
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which probably in another
month, they have orgies.
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Really, I have X-rated
pictures of my newts.
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[chickens clucking]
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When I was still five
years old or something,
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I read everything, cereal
boxes, the New York Times.
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I mean it just didn't matter
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and it was still during the war
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and I read something
about all the birds
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being killed by oil spills
from ships being blown up
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and that's what I worried about
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during the War was
all those birds.
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You coming, Mike?
You gonna help me?
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And I started writing letters.
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I'm not sure who I sent
them to or [chuckles],
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wanting someone to take
care of those birds, please!
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Maybe that was the beginning
of my activism, I have no idea.
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We moved here in '74.
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The kids were just
part of this landscape.
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They were down along the river.
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They knew everything
that lived down there,
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the dippers and
they're called dippers
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because they'll sit on
a rock and bow to you.
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My kids loved it, I mean
they were part of it.
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There were beavers and
otters in the river then too
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and of course all the fish
and the herons and ospreys.
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So they just were part
of that, they loved it.
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There was nothing
to worry about.
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[saw buzzing]
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[vehicles rumbling]
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[truck beeping]
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[Carol] Clear-cutting
is one of the most
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insane things you could ever do.
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It's like strip mining a living
organism, which a forest is.
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They weren't required
to replant and most
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of those clear-cuts developed
into huge brush fields.
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Anything that would save the
soil was better than nothing.
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Then all of a sudden
they were faced
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with this law that says
you can't clear-cut
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unless you replant
within three years.
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So then they had to
clear all the brush
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on these old clear-cuts so
they could replant them.
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It just all coincided
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with the end of the use of
Agent Orange in Vietnam.
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Michael Newton from
Oregon State University
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was getting surplus
barrels of Agent Orange
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that the Air Force couldn't
use anymore in Vietnam
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and was praising the
use of these things
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and how they were going to
transform forestry forever.
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And they started to
just blanket these
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huge clear-cuts with
a lot of Agent Orange.
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It drifts, and we could smell
it and within a few days,
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our garden was dead, the
kids were all sick again
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and the dog got so sick he died.
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[ominous tones]
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One woman had had
14 miscarriages
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and hunters were
finding deformed deer,
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baby fawns with no eyes.
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Geese were hatching with
horrendous deformities.
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They had their feet
on backwards, they
had crossed beaks.
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Some of them had only one wing
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or a little crippled up,
you know what I mean?
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We just didn't know
until we were hearing
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the same thing from
other people and that
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it didn't happen until
the spraying happened.
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That first meeting
we had out here,
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no one knew what they were
spraying or what it was for.
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A lot of people
just assumed, well,
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it's the government doing
it, it must be okay.
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We invited the Forest Service
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and we were basically saying
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"This is what's happening
to us and maybe you
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don't know about it but now
you do and you need to stop."
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And of course they didn't
take us seriously at all.
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We call ourselves the
document junkies, you know?
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Yeah, "no trace Of
contamination found."
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That's the lies
they got published.
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- Carol has been just
a tireless champion
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for uncovering true,
factual, scientifically-based
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information and trying to get
that before decision makers.
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[protesters chanting]
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These people were just
literally at their wit's end
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and I remember sitting
there thinking Bruce,
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there's some way you've
gotta help these people.
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They are literally --
nobody's willing to help 'em.
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And I said, you've gotta
produce the experts
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and if you can produce
the experts, I'll take
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your case on and we'll
go to battle over it.
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[camera snaps]
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- It was raining a minute ago
and the sun just came out.
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So I just wanted
to document this.
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I think this is why you're not
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supposed to spray at
certain temperatures
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and obviously you're
not supposed to spray
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during the rain because
it goes right down
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into the creek and over
there and over there.
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Anyways, everything's going
into the creek around here.
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These vapors, I'm
breathing 'em right now.
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I'm in a gas chamber right now.
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These chemicals volatize.
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[helicopter whirring]
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You gotta be f'ing kidding me.
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I just got sprayed again.
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[horns honking]
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- [Reporter] At the White House,
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the stage of history is set
for first meeting between
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President Eisenhower and Senator
Kennedy since the election.
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- When Eisenhower passed over
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the national security
apparatus to John Kennedy,
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how scared we had
to be that Communism
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was on the march and we had
to stop it wherever it was.
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Kennedy loved the idea
that American ingenuity,
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not just big, scary bombs but
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different, more surgical kinds
of technologies could be used
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to defeat these insurgencies.
And Agent Orange,
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herbicides in general, was
part of that strategic view.
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[dramatic trumpet music]
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- [Spokesman] Here at the Dow
Chemical Company in Midland,
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Michigan, revolutionary
chemical killers are being
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produced to help rid us
of these costly pests.
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One of the newest and most
versatile weapons in Dow's
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arsenal of chemical warfare
is 2,4-Dow weed killer.
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Proved in action
against hundreds
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of weeds and a wide
variety of crops.
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2,4-D is a growth regulator
type of weed killer.
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The action is physiological,
appearing to upset the plant's
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growth processes and causing
gradual but certain death.
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- The Saigon government in 1961
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was a vociferous proponent
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of the use of
herbicides in Vietnam.
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The Diem government was
fighting a Communist insurgency
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in the South that was
supplied by the North.
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[gunfire clacking]
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They felt that the insurgency
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was a major threat
to their existence.
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- Okay.
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This is in October, 1961.
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Things haven't really
gotten started yet.
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These are Telexes: it's a
message from Ambassador Nolting
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but basically saying President
Diem is begging people
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to spray crops and there's
so much doubt and confusion
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in Washington about
whether to do this or not.
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- And as long as they controlled
the defoliation program
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in a very professional way,
then there wasn't any concern
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that the prohibitions of
the Geneva Protocol applied.
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"The President has
approved the recommendation
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of the Secretary of State
and the Deputy Secretary
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of Defense to participate
in a selective
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and carefully
controlled joint program
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of defoliant
operations in Vietnam,
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starting with the
clearance of key routes
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and proceeding thereafter
to food denial."
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- [Zierler] - Take
away the forest cover,
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take away the
insurgents' capability
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to hide and conduct
guerrilla ambush operations.
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But once the overall
war escalated, the
defoliation program
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just sort of followed rather
mindlessly right behind it.
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Spraying millions of gallons
of highly concentrated
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herbicides indiscriminately
over vast areas of forest
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many times over is
chemical warfare.
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It was highly destructive
and it was massive.
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It was a weapon of
mass destruction.
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- Ranch Hand was
the name for the
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herbicide defoliation
program run by the Air Force.
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I was sent over to
Vietnam in May of 1971
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to do the final
historical write-up
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of the Ranch Hand program.
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I had made friends with a young
Army lieutenant over there
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and he came to me one
afternoon and said,
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"We have received orders
from headquarters."
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This was 1971.
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"We are to dump the
computer and erase it."
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Not download it and
ship to Washington.
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"Dumped," he said.
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He said, "If you want
any of that information
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for your report, you're
gonna have to come
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with me tonight and we'll
go over to MACV Headquarters
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and I'll get you into my office
and we'll print 'em out."
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And he turned on the machine
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and we printed out
a stack like that,
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that had missions,
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sorties, how many
aircraft in every mission,
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coordinates, how many
gallons dropped, the dates,
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everything for all of
Southeast Asia including Laos.
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My report indicated that
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there were some real problems
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developing from people
exposed to Agent Orange.
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I finished my report
and it was immediately
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classified SECRET and the
government kept it locked up
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for over 35 years and
denied that it even existed.
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- It was tantamount to
a cover up regardless.
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There was information that
was withheld, distortions
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that were commonplace,
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that did a real disservice
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to the veterans and
to our rule of law.
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All of that occurred with
far greater regularity
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and at far higher levels than
I would like to acknowledge.
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- [Clary] The powers that
be went to great lengths
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to play down--
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to deny--any effect
of the TCDD, dioxin,
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in the herbicide.
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- When we started
the litigation,
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this became a real
David and Goliath act
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because we had the
whole U.S.Attorney's
office representing
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the Federal government
and the largest law firm
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in the state of Oregon
representing I.F.A.,
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which is a front
group for the chemical
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manufacturers and
for timber sprayers.
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The Forest Service had been
unwilling to do any kind
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of community health
survey after the spraying
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to see if anybody was
in fact being harmed.
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It was simply saying,"Our
chemicals aren't
harming anybody."
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But it wasn't looking to
see if they were harmed.
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- My cousin, she said
she had a miscarriage
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and a friend of mine, she
did have a miscarriage.
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- [Reporter] And this was all
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in this area where
they're spraying?
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- Yeah.
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- The women have lived in areas
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that have been sprayed
very close to their homes.
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Many of us have
gravity-feed water systems.
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And the dates that
they were sprayed
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are really amazing
because all of the areas
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were sprayed within a month
before the miscarriage.
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- And it was very stunning
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that they would spray an
area and within a month
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the miscarriage
rate--what they called
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the spontaneous abortion
rate--would skyrocket,
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according to the hospital data.
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- Between my husband and I
and our nurse practitioner,
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we delivered between 100
and 150 children a year...
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seeing a larger number
of birth defects
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than we would've expected.
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We saw a number of
congenital hearts.
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And I think it was 1978, I
delivered an anencephalic child.
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That's a child that doesn't
have basically the normal brain.
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In my lifetime of
delivering babies,
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I would not expect
ever to see one.
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And about a year later,
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we delivered a second
anencephalic child.
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Those odds were
just astronomical
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that a small practice like ours
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would have two
anencephalic children.
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All of these
chemicals are suspect.
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We know in animals that
they cause birth defects.
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Why are we using them in humans?
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It made me realize that
there was something going on
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and the something
that I was aware of
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was broadcast spraying
of herbicides.
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At that point, it was mainly
2,4-D over our water supplies
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because we drink surface
water at the coast.
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[ominous tones ]
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[camera snaps]
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- Down below me is a
dam and a water supply.
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If this camera shows it,
there's the helicopter
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on the ridge right
there by the trees.
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So we're gonna be
spraying right below it.
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Crazy!
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That whole unit over there
is dead, dead, dead, dead
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and they're spraying
more chemicals on it
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right now as we speak.
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I gotta hold this low because
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right over there is the
honcho of the forest.
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So basically we
dropped 1160 gallons
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into this right here
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and it is, I'm gonna
show you real quick,
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it's gonna go basically right
down into that watershed
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and the unit's already
de-weeded anyways.
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I don't know why they did that.
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And here's the reservoir,
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I'm down here at the reservoir.
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And we're gonna go spray
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on the other side of
the reservoir now.
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Both sides of the watershed.
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[Darryl coughs]
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My throat is burning.
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- The kids were involved in
the whole herbicide battle.
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They were helping
write the newsletters
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and draw the pictures
and help with signs.
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There's the poster
that Daphne made.
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She did that when
she was about 11.
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They were right in
the thick of it.
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We had like five minutes
to come up with a name
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for this group: Citizens
Against Toxic Sprays, CATS.
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It wasn't the most imaginative
name but it worked, I guess.
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Hi.
- Hi, Carol.
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- And it wasn't until
basically CATS was formed
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and started questioning it
with filing a court action
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and then it suddenly
got some attention and
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there was a lot of pushback
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from the chemical companies
and the timber companies.
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- Chemicals are
being used as a means
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of achieving environmental
goals, really.
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The attack is not scientific,
it's purely emotional.
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The public does not understand
and we unfortunately
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haven't successfully
communicated to
the public as yet.
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Take 2,4,5-T for example.
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2,4,5-T is about as
toxic as aspirin.
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The safety factor in
the use of 2,4,5-T
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is far greater than the safety
factors in use of aspirin.
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Now does the public
understand that?
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- [Carol] Documents disappearing
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is a common thing I think
in this whole story.
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Susan Swift's health study
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that she was doing of
everybody in this valley...
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she had done door-to-door survey
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of peoples' health and the
children's health and animals,
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anything that people
could report about
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and her house getting broken
into and this health study,
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all the data she had
collected, it was gone.
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- I was just taking information
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and gathered the data together
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and I created a
questionnaire to go
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00:34:50,262 --> 00:34:54,048
and I interviewed every home
up and down Five Rivers Road.
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There was an enormous amount
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of small tumors
and miscarriages.
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Right after that, my box of
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documented forms
disappeared out of my house.
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The board members of
Citizens Against Toxic Sprays
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were going to Eugene
over the mountain
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taking these Forest
Service roads,
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just going straight up
and over the mountain,
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all gravel little logging roads,
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and we were being
followed by a shiny sedan
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00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,385
with guys in suits.
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00:35:26,428 --> 00:35:28,822
And that was pretty bizarre.
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00:35:28,865 --> 00:35:32,521
[low, ominous tones]
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- One Saturday morning
when my husband
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was making rounds
at the hospital,
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two fellows in suits
showed up at my front door
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and said they wanted to
talk about the herbicides.
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00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:52,150
And I said that was fine.
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00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,152
My two children
were running around
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very happily playing.
368
00:35:57,198 --> 00:35:58,721
They didn't really say
where they were from.
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00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:02,551
I said, "Come on in,
have a cup of coffee."
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00:36:02,595 --> 00:36:05,293
Because I had had a
number of reporters
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00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:09,950
and other people show up.
And then when they said,
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00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:13,345
"Do you know at all times
where your children are?"
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I realized that I didn't.
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00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:23,093
And I said it was time
to end the interview
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because it was clearly a threat
against me and my children.
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00:36:32,668 --> 00:36:34,888
And it worked, I'm done.
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00:36:36,672 --> 00:36:40,720
- [Bruce] A van that had dark
tinted windows on both sides
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00:36:40,763 --> 00:36:44,245
suddenly showed up outside
of Carol and Steve's house,
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00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,768
who were the leaders of
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00:36:45,812 --> 00:36:48,423
the Citizens Against
Toxic Spray movement.
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00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:49,946
- This is for Sadie.
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00:36:51,818 --> 00:36:54,516
The car was parked here but
they were walking up here
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with all their gear, obviously
thinking I wasn't home.
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00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:02,481
He didn't really explain
why they were here.
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00:37:02,524 --> 00:37:04,613
It was when I
realized the other guy
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00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:07,312
was sneaking up there
and talking to the kids,
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00:37:07,355 --> 00:37:08,748
then I got kind of angry.
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00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,491
He was asking them
all about what kinds
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00:37:12,534 --> 00:37:17,539
of deformed critters we had in
the freezer--because we did!
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00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:20,586
We saved a bunch of
them hoping to get 'em
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analyzed to see what was in 'em.
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00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:26,244
- But the rear door flew open
as it drove away and they
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00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:29,595
could see that there were
large video cameras in there.
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00:37:31,336 --> 00:37:33,120
- [Carol] The phone company
itself, their employees
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00:37:33,163 --> 00:37:36,210
told us that our phones
were being tapped.
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Steve would get in the car
397
00:37:40,475 --> 00:37:42,390
and he would usually
drive over the back roads.
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00:37:42,434 --> 00:37:45,393
Nobody drives over
there, nobody did then.
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Suddenly, there'd
be a car behind him
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00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:51,486
and it would stick
to him all the way
401
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:56,012
every time they went to
the valley to do anything.
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00:37:56,056 --> 00:37:57,753
Who is it? We don't know.
403
00:37:57,797 --> 00:38:01,322
Is it government people?
Is it industry people?
404
00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:03,846
There was no way to really know.
405
00:38:05,674 --> 00:38:07,459
- [Bruce] It was an obvious
attempt to try to intimidate
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00:38:07,502 --> 00:38:10,984
the folks who were
bringing this litigation
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00:38:11,027 --> 00:38:13,987
to try to reduce
herbicide aerial spraying.
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00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,476
- Well, we won a
temporary injunction.
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00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:30,699
What the Judge in the CATS case,
410
00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:33,398
thanks to all those
scientists and studies
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00:38:33,441 --> 00:38:37,619
that we were able to
compile, ruled was that hey,
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you've got to include in
your environmental impact
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00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:45,410
statement the effects of
these chemicals in Vietnam.
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00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:51,198
And that was a blow to the
Forest Service because by then,
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00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:56,246
there were some really
documented impacts in Vietnam.
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00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:05,778
We felt vindicated
in a lot of ways
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00:39:05,821 --> 00:39:10,217
but his injunction only
applied to 2,4,5-T,
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00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,088
which was half of Agent Orange.
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00:39:20,749 --> 00:39:24,144
The CATS case generated
quite a bit of publicity
420
00:39:25,841 --> 00:39:29,715
just because it was so amazing
that these people living
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00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:33,240
out in the woods could sue the
Federal government and win.
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00:39:33,283 --> 00:39:36,896
It was kind of unheard
of at that point,
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00:39:36,939 --> 00:39:38,985
especially on an
environmental issue.
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00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:44,164
So other people
were contacting us.
425
00:39:44,207 --> 00:39:47,254
They were all experiencing
the same thing.
426
00:39:47,297 --> 00:39:51,258
This was people in other
places in Oregon, in
427
00:39:51,301 --> 00:39:55,915
the state of Washington, in
Idaho, in Northern California.
428
00:39:55,958 --> 00:39:59,484
There were even requests
from places back east.
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00:40:01,311 --> 00:40:03,096
- [Susan] One thing I'll
never forget is that just
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00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:06,795
gathering scientific data
from Oregon State University,
431
00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:09,885
what we were able to find
from their own library,
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00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:13,280
studies in Idaho of
roadside spray workers
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00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:17,806
that showed deformed sperm
after the spray season.
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00:40:19,286 --> 00:40:22,637
- So we put together
an information packet
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00:40:22,681 --> 00:40:25,161
and then they could use
that information to take
436
00:40:25,205 --> 00:40:29,557
their own actions and file
their own cases, whatever.
437
00:40:36,825 --> 00:40:40,089
[ominous music]
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00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:46,052
There were negative feelings
toward what we were doing.
439
00:40:46,095 --> 00:40:47,706
The propaganda put out by
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the chemical companies
and the timber companies
441
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:53,189
that number one, there's
nothing wrong with the sprays
442
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:57,280
and number two, these people
are just the lunatic fringe.
443
00:40:59,848 --> 00:41:01,589
They convinced the
loggers or some
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00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:03,504
of them anyway that
they were gonna all
445
00:41:03,548 --> 00:41:07,377
be out of work if they
couldn't use the herbicides.
446
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:21,827
- The house was on fire when
Carol came up the driveway.
447
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,481
The house was totally in flames.
448
00:41:24,873 --> 00:41:26,440
Patrick said he stopped her,
449
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:28,268
that she grabbed a knife
off his belt and started
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00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:31,793
running up the hill and he
just grabbed her and held her.
451
00:41:33,229 --> 00:41:36,232
And he felt sure
that Carol was gonna
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00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,887
try to take her own
life that night.
453
00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:46,504
The Van Strum
children were gone...
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00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:55,077
And we all crumbled, we all
just couldn't believe it.
455
00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:03,521
- The firefighters
said it was arson.
456
00:42:16,621 --> 00:42:20,276
It's hard to talk about
it, I just can't really.
457
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:41,602
They had done the absolute
worst thing anybody
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00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:46,346
could do to me and they
couldn't do anymore.
459
00:42:50,263 --> 00:42:52,570
Okay everybody, who's hungry?
460
00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:55,268
Yes, you want some brekker.
461
00:42:55,311 --> 00:42:56,965
The animals were still here.
462
00:42:57,009 --> 00:43:00,012
I think that's what
kept me going, you know?
463
00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:02,057
It was what was left of my kids
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00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:04,582
was what they loved, you know?
465
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,759
Oh boy, here you go.
466
00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:11,589
Oakey's the big
one, 30 years old.
467
00:43:11,632 --> 00:43:13,155
He's very intuitive.
468
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:17,943
Like if you're really upset
about something, he will come
469
00:43:17,986 --> 00:43:22,469
and just like lean against
you and be comforting.
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00:43:23,557 --> 00:43:24,732
Hey, Rudy-tooty.
471
00:43:26,516 --> 00:43:30,825
He wants to help you feel
better, I don't know.
472
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:33,785
I rely on him.
473
00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:37,571
[Carol laughs]
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00:43:39,573 --> 00:43:43,142
This was the garage,
there was no floor here.
475
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:46,667
And so we put a floor
in and I just was living
476
00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:50,236
in this room and I still am.
477
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:59,158
In a way, it was in honor of
my kids I had to keep going.
478
00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:03,031
They fought this fight
too, it wasn't just me.
479
00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:07,427
And the only thing was to
keep going for their sake.
480
00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:35,330
- The Federal government
basically federalized
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00:47:35,374 --> 00:47:38,072
all the chemical companies
to do nothing but produce
482
00:47:39,769 --> 00:47:41,859
Agent Orange and other chemicals
for the war in Vietnam.
483
00:47:43,338 --> 00:47:44,905
And they knew that the
more they produced,
484
00:47:44,949 --> 00:47:46,037
the more money they would make.
485
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,126
So they, in order to
486
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:52,130
deliver as much as they could
as quickly as they could,
487
00:47:52,173 --> 00:47:55,568
they violated then
existing industry standards
488
00:47:55,611 --> 00:47:57,744
for the production of herbicides
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00:47:57,787 --> 00:48:01,487
by using a process
that was much shorter,
490
00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,358
at higher temperatures,
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00:48:03,402 --> 00:48:07,362
that was responsible for
the presence of the dioxin
492
00:48:07,406 --> 00:48:12,411
in the ultimate chemical
substances that were created.
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00:48:14,108 --> 00:48:15,588
And they knew that it posed
a risk to individuals.
494
00:48:15,631 --> 00:48:17,764
They knew that it posed
a risk to the land.
495
00:48:17,807 --> 00:48:19,897
They knew that it
contained a poison
496
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:25,337
and they knew that the
effects could be devastating.
497
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:36,478
- While I was
preparing my report,
498
00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:40,047
I came across a letter that
I got out of headquarters
499
00:48:40,091 --> 00:48:44,486
that was from Dow to the
government and back and said,
500
00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:46,445
"We cannot produce
the quantities
501
00:48:46,488 --> 00:48:51,493
of Agent Orange you want
and maintain the low level,
502
00:48:52,973 --> 00:48:55,628
insignificant level,
of TCDD, dioxin."
503
00:48:57,064 --> 00:48:58,631
And they went back and said,
504
00:48:58,674 --> 00:49:01,025
"Don't worry about it,
we need the quantities.
505
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:05,551
Besides, it's gonna be sprayed
on the jungle over there.
506
00:49:05,594 --> 00:49:07,857
There aren't gonna
be any people there.
507
00:49:07,901 --> 00:49:09,729
And if they happen to
get into it, so what?
508
00:49:09,772 --> 00:49:10,643
We're at war."
509
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,125
- In a letter from
Dr. James Clary,
510
00:49:14,168 --> 00:49:16,910
an Air Force scientist, saying
that he and others involved
511
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:20,392
in Ranch Hand knew that
Agent Orange was harmful.
512
00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:29,140
- We knew dioxin
513
00:49:30,576 --> 00:49:33,535
is an extremely
potent carcinogenic,
514
00:49:35,233 --> 00:49:37,713
mutagenic, meaning it causes
chromosomes to mutate,
515
00:49:39,193 --> 00:49:42,066
teratogenic, affecting
the fetus of a woman.
516
00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:44,198
Very potent compound.
517
00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:50,726
- National Bureau of Standards
518
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:53,991
estimate on the half-life
for a dioxin molecule:
519
00:49:55,035 --> 00:49:56,167
two billion years.
520
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,346
That's why EPA regards it
as equivalent to plutonium,
521
00:50:02,825 --> 00:50:06,090
both in its toxicity
and in its longevity,
522
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:08,005
how long it can persist.
523
00:50:09,745 --> 00:50:13,097
So it doesn't go away,
it goes away politically.
524
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:17,579
- This is the first time
that the scientists have
525
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:21,714
ever created a molecule
this toxic and that they
526
00:50:21,757 --> 00:50:26,762
know that even just one
to two parts per trillion
527
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,070
can cause birth defects,
mutations, cancer.
528
00:50:30,114 --> 00:50:33,987
- We sprayed 20 million gallons
of that stuff over there.
529
00:50:35,423 --> 00:50:37,077
Their watersheds
are contaminated.
530
00:50:37,121 --> 00:50:38,818
Their rice fields
are contaminated.
531
00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:40,515
Their wells are contaminated.
532
00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:43,431
Depending on who
you want to believe,
533
00:50:43,475 --> 00:50:46,043
there's four or 500,000 adults
534
00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:48,523
contaminated with it and
half a million children.
535
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,747
[somber tone]
536
00:52:41,984 --> 00:52:45,205
[helicopters whirring]
537
00:52:52,256 --> 00:52:56,042
- The Forest Service never
did spray 2,4,5-T again.
538
00:52:56,085 --> 00:52:59,524
They substituted 2,4-D
on the assumption
539
00:52:59,567 --> 00:53:02,353
that it had no dioxin in it
540
00:53:03,441 --> 00:53:04,920
and that it was safe
541
00:53:07,619 --> 00:53:11,318
and Melyse's water
supply got sprayed.
542
00:53:14,974 --> 00:53:17,194
- [Reporter] Melyse Connelly
was one of the Five Rivers
543
00:53:17,237 --> 00:53:18,891
women who pleaded
with the government
544
00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:21,110
to come and test
their environment.
545
00:53:21,154 --> 00:53:22,721
She remembers that the EPA
546
00:53:22,764 --> 00:53:25,245
sent two scientists
from Colorado.
547
00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:26,899
They took some samples and left,
548
00:53:26,942 --> 00:53:29,467
promising to return in 90 days.
549
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,033
In the meantime, they wanted
550
00:53:31,077 --> 00:53:33,122
Melyse to come up
with more material.
551
00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:34,950
That included a backyard chicken
552
00:53:34,994 --> 00:53:37,518
which she still has in
her freezer and a number
553
00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:41,043
of water samples taken
with special EPA filters.
554
00:53:41,087 --> 00:53:42,741
- We called him, we wrote him.
555
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:44,395
We wondered where he was.
556
00:53:44,438 --> 00:53:46,223
90 days is what he gave us,
557
00:53:46,266 --> 00:53:48,486
that he would be back
in touch with us.
558
00:53:48,529 --> 00:53:50,009
That was in '79.
559
00:53:50,052 --> 00:53:51,880
'83, here we are.
560
00:53:51,924 --> 00:53:54,274
- Are you angry?
- I'm very angry.
561
00:53:54,318 --> 00:53:55,623
I'm very upset.
562
00:53:57,625 --> 00:54:02,587
- There were samples taken
of people in the area,
563
00:54:03,979 --> 00:54:06,330
of tissue and
blood and I believe
564
00:54:06,373 --> 00:54:09,985
urine as well and
submitted for testing.
565
00:54:10,029 --> 00:54:13,075
Somehow, they disappeared.
566
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,296
How can you have something
like that disappear?
567
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:19,995
- Well it's both a bureaucratic
bollix and suppression.
568
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,302
- [reporter] Paul Merrell
and Carol Van Strum
569
00:54:22,346 --> 00:54:24,957
have been battling
with the EPA for years.
570
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,351
They're also responsible
for uncovering many
571
00:54:27,394 --> 00:54:29,570
of the EPA documents that
have now come to light.
572
00:54:29,614 --> 00:54:34,575
- The EPA planned ahead of
time with the Forest Service
573
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,015
to come in after they sprayed
and collect the body count.
574
00:54:40,059 --> 00:54:41,495
- [reporter] You're
saying the people
575
00:54:41,539 --> 00:54:42,931
out there were used
as guinea pigs?
576
00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:44,193
- That's right.
- How do you know that?
577
00:54:44,237 --> 00:54:45,978
- From their own documents.
578
00:54:46,021 --> 00:54:48,633
- I'm not sure what's
gonna happen now but
579
00:54:49,895 --> 00:54:52,376
somebody's gonna pay.
580
00:55:01,602 --> 00:55:03,343
- [reporter] Dr. Mike
Newton of Oregon State
581
00:55:03,387 --> 00:55:05,345
says that a recent
study of herbicide
582
00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:08,174
applicators showed no
signs of health hazards.
583
00:55:28,499 --> 00:55:30,022
- They've got to start listening
584
00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:35,070
to some of the residents
and our rights.
585
00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:39,771
I mean I have to move because
my daughter became very ill
586
00:55:39,814 --> 00:55:43,252
just a year ago
with a blood disease
587
00:55:43,296 --> 00:55:47,474
that has been associated
with herbicides.
588
00:55:50,477 --> 00:55:52,479
I feel like I'm just
589
00:55:54,655 --> 00:55:57,049
up against the wall, you know?
590
00:55:57,092 --> 00:56:01,880
And that I've done all
that I can do peaceably.
591
00:56:01,923 --> 00:56:06,363
- This is sort of a cause
of life and death in a way.
592
00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:27,558
- Working within the
system has been done.
593
00:56:27,601 --> 00:56:30,169
The appeals have been done,
lawsuits have been done.
594
00:56:30,212 --> 00:56:32,389
Public hearings,
conferences with officials
595
00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:34,695
have been done and still
the spraying goes on.
596
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,570
- This person has been
contaminated. They spray people!
597
00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:50,058
- [Carol] There've
been incidents
598
00:56:50,102 --> 00:56:51,930
in other parts of
the country where
599
00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,845
people have actually shot
at the spray helicopter.
600
00:57:00,721 --> 00:57:03,594
- [Masked Woman] A helicopter
was burned as a message
601
00:57:03,637 --> 00:57:08,076
to the companies who profit
from spraying poisons.
602
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,690
We sabotage
poison-spreading machines
603
00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:15,910
as an act of self-defense.
604
00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:18,435
- [Carol] No one was hurt.
605
00:57:18,478 --> 00:57:21,612
It was the frustration,
even with the CATS case,
606
00:57:21,655 --> 00:57:24,528
that they could still
go ahead and spray 2,4-D
607
00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:26,704
and at that point they
were adding, since they
608
00:57:26,747 --> 00:57:29,663
couldn't use 2,4,5-T,
they added glyphosate
609
00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:31,709
and atrazine and-
- Tordon.
610
00:57:31,752 --> 00:57:34,189
- Tordon.
- All these chemical
611
00:57:34,233 --> 00:57:36,801
cocktails that no one
has ever put together
612
00:57:36,844 --> 00:57:38,933
and tested on any
living creature.
613
00:57:38,977 --> 00:57:42,720
- And so they could continue
spraying is the point.
614
00:57:42,763 --> 00:57:44,591
- [Masked Woman]
Our present health
615
00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:48,900
and genetic future are at
stake. We will strike again.
616
01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:16,656
- Newly released court
documents indicate
617
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:19,093
that the companies which
manufactured Agent Orange
618
01:00:19,137 --> 01:00:23,054
knew as far back as the 1960s
that one of its ingredients
619
01:00:23,097 --> 01:00:27,711
known as 2,4,5-T contained
the toxic contaminant dioxin.
620
01:00:30,931 --> 01:00:35,153
- It just blew my
mind to see documents,
621
01:00:35,196 --> 01:00:39,157
internal memos from chemical
companies, that would say
622
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,248
"We know this is toxic,
we're gonna sell it anyway."
623
01:00:50,037 --> 01:00:53,998
- Dow realized that
they needed to settle
624
01:00:54,041 --> 01:00:57,828
the Agent Orange case to keep
all that information buried.
625
01:01:00,613 --> 01:01:04,182
In the fall of 1983,
626
01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:08,012
Dow as the leader
of all the 2,4,5-T
627
01:01:08,055 --> 01:01:12,930
manufacturers withdrew all
registrations for 2,4,5-T.
628
01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:19,676
And what that did
was bury everything:
629
01:01:20,981 --> 01:01:23,854
all that evidence of dioxin
630
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:27,596
in the environment,
in human tissues,
631
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,424
in the Vietnam veterans.
632
01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,645
Very, very damaging
information on
633
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:36,083
the health effects
of 2,4,5-T and dioxin
634
01:01:36,127 --> 01:01:39,783
just was swept under the
rug, went into EPA archives
635
01:01:39,826 --> 01:01:43,308
and it's now gone forever
except what I managed to save.
636
01:01:45,571 --> 01:01:48,661
So that record would
have been dynamite
637
01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:53,274
for the veterans if
that case had continued,
638
01:01:53,318 --> 01:01:55,146
but it didn't.
639
01:01:55,189 --> 01:01:58,149
- The case was not settled
on any scientific basis.
640
01:01:58,192 --> 01:02:00,717
It was settled on
a political basis.
641
01:02:03,241 --> 01:02:04,851
The defendants wished
642
01:02:06,026 --> 01:02:08,289
to avoid further litigation.
643
01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:10,988
The moment it was settled,
their stock went up.
644
01:02:11,031 --> 01:02:13,468
So they made a wise decision.
645
01:02:29,702 --> 01:02:32,487
- I think this is
good for the veterans.
646
01:02:32,531 --> 01:02:35,273
I think it's good
for the defendants.
647
01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:37,144
I think it's good
for the country
648
01:02:37,188 --> 01:02:40,931
because I think it allows
us all now to put this issue
649
01:02:40,974 --> 01:02:44,543
behind us and get on with
the business we have to do.
650
01:02:53,857 --> 01:02:56,773
- My mother had two
miscarriages when my father
651
01:02:56,816 --> 01:03:00,428
came back from Vietnam and
then I was born in '72.
652
01:03:01,865 --> 01:03:04,737
I only weighed three
pounds and four ounces.
653
01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:06,173
My father said he could hold me
654
01:03:06,217 --> 01:03:08,959
in his hand like
this, I was so small.
655
01:03:09,002 --> 01:03:12,745
I'm missing my right
leg below the knee,
656
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:15,400
my fingers and I'm
missing my big toe
657
01:03:15,443 --> 01:03:18,751
and my other toes
are webbed but, yeah.
658
01:03:20,579 --> 01:03:23,451
My story is not very much
unlike many, many children
659
01:03:23,495 --> 01:03:27,455
in Vietnam and other
American children as well.
660
01:03:27,499 --> 01:03:31,808
So we share the same
type of birth defects.
661
01:03:39,337 --> 01:03:42,122
- No, I don't get any
benefits from the government.
662
01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:44,646
They deny that the children
663
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:46,910
of male Vietnam veterans
664
01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:50,783
are affected.
665
01:03:54,613 --> 01:03:58,008
My father's own
illness, he died of.
666
01:04:00,271 --> 01:04:04,188
So I'm hoping with your lawsuit,
that things will change.
667
01:04:04,231 --> 01:04:06,799
That it'll stick this time
668
01:04:06,843 --> 01:04:09,715
and many people
will understand how
669
01:04:09,758 --> 01:04:13,762
the chemical companies
have destroyed many people.
670
01:04:18,985 --> 01:04:20,987
- I was getting so angry
671
01:04:24,512 --> 01:04:26,036
that my own government
672
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,998
didn't want to provide help to
veterans who were suffering.
673
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,832
- We had a sense of moral
outrage about what happened
674
01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:42,400
and the fact that we
felt as lawyers, we had
675
01:04:42,443 --> 01:04:46,839
the opportunity and
the obligation to
raise these issues.
676
01:04:55,804 --> 01:04:58,329
[gavel bangs]
677
01:05:02,115 --> 01:05:03,638
And the case died.
678
01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:06,076
It's frustrating.
679
01:05:26,183 --> 01:05:30,491
- Was any assurance
given when you arrived at
680
01:05:30,535 --> 01:05:35,496
the settlement with the chemical
companies and the veterans
681
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:37,716
that there would not be
682
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,893
any more litigation?
683
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,548
Would such an assurance have
684
01:05:44,462 --> 01:05:47,334
affected your role
685
01:05:47,378 --> 01:05:50,642
when the Vietnamese
people's case came to you?
686
01:05:52,296 --> 01:05:56,691
- I'm not prepared to
discuss the Vietnamese issue.
687
01:05:58,563 --> 01:06:01,174
It was a separate case,
688
01:06:01,218 --> 01:06:05,004
decided long after the
major settlement was
689
01:06:06,484 --> 01:06:10,096
decided upon, accepted
and fully executed.
690
01:06:11,532 --> 01:06:13,926
- [Alan] So then no
such assurance was given
691
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:17,408
to the chemical companies
in the original case?
692
01:06:17,451 --> 01:06:19,453
- The original case gave
693
01:06:21,499 --> 01:06:25,329
the producers what
they settled for.
694
01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:29,202
- [Alan] And was there finality,
695
01:06:29,246 --> 01:06:31,596
an assurance of
finality to that?
696
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:33,337
- I thought there was.
697
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:35,121
- These companies have been able
698
01:06:35,165 --> 01:06:38,298
to avoid accountability
for what they've done.
699
01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:43,042
I think your case is
incredibly important as sort of
700
01:06:43,086 --> 01:06:47,699
the last opportunity that
we may have to hold these
701
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:51,833
companies accountable for
the wrongdoing that they knew
702
01:06:51,877 --> 01:06:55,794
they were engaged in when they
made this poisonous product.
703
01:09:01,311 --> 01:09:03,791
- The National Forest
here is no longer sprayed
704
01:09:03,835 --> 01:09:06,794
and the reason is a
series of lawsuits
705
01:09:06,838 --> 01:09:09,493
that began with
the CATS lawsuit.
706
01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:12,191
But how about all
those other people?
707
01:09:12,235 --> 01:09:14,411
How about people right
down the road that have
708
01:09:14,454 --> 01:09:18,937
private timberland around
them that's getting sprayed?
709
01:10:25,482 --> 01:10:27,440
- Here he comes, I
gotta reload him.
710
01:10:31,618 --> 01:10:33,664
All these chemicals
are going in there.
711
01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:35,231
All this goes into that truck.
712
01:10:38,799 --> 01:10:40,236
This stuff is nasty stuff.
713
01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,370
It's a nasty combo and
it kills everything.
714
01:10:44,414 --> 01:10:46,285
It kills everything including
715
01:10:46,329 --> 01:10:47,982
my ability to breathe correctly.
716
01:10:51,421 --> 01:10:52,987
[camera snaps]
717
01:10:55,642 --> 01:10:58,166
Hold on, it says on the label:
718
01:10:58,210 --> 01:11:01,126
"hazardous to humans
and domestic animals."
719
01:11:02,867 --> 01:11:05,783
And it leaks out
onto everywhere.
720
01:11:08,829 --> 01:11:12,572
There's just so many things
not right about this.
721
01:11:14,095 --> 01:11:15,314
- [Carol] They're gonna
keep these chemicals
722
01:11:15,358 --> 01:11:17,664
on the market no matter what.
723
01:11:19,187 --> 01:11:21,842
The only hope is for
the community rights
724
01:11:21,886 --> 01:11:25,324
movement to keep insisting
that we have the right
725
01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:30,242
to protect all of our
communities from being poisoned.
726
01:11:32,026 --> 01:11:34,594
And maybe it's a pipe dream
but if these corporations
727
01:11:34,638 --> 01:11:37,641
have human rights according
to the Supreme Court,
728
01:11:37,684 --> 01:11:39,817
well damn it, they
should be subject
729
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:43,386
to capital punishment just
like an individual would be.
730
01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:45,301
[people applauding]
731
01:12:15,548 --> 01:12:18,551
[people applauding]
732
01:14:01,045 --> 01:14:03,264
- It's been hard work
coming for us but-
733
01:14:03,308 --> 01:14:04,831
- A lot of hard work but I want
734
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,268
to emphasize how
important the work is.
735
01:14:07,312 --> 01:14:11,447
Even though you feel sometimes
you're working in isolation,
736
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:13,057
there's a lot of
people watching this.
737
01:14:17,191 --> 01:14:18,889
- [Amelie] She was diagnosed
with cancer this week.
738
01:14:54,446 --> 01:14:57,275
[thunder booming]
739
01:17:12,497 --> 01:17:15,892
- [Carol] Documents
accumulated over 40 years
740
01:17:15,935 --> 01:17:19,373
of Freedom of Information
Actions that I did,
741
01:17:19,417 --> 01:17:21,158
including several lawsuits
742
01:17:21,201 --> 01:17:23,639
to try to get
documents out of EPA,
743
01:17:25,031 --> 01:17:28,339
PCB lawsuits, the
Agent Orange lawsuits
744
01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:31,516
trying to stop the
government spraying out here.
745
01:17:35,215 --> 01:17:37,000
Then I had a bunch of stuff
746
01:17:37,043 --> 01:17:39,306
from Dow Chemical that
they hoped I'd never get.
747
01:17:41,569 --> 01:17:43,876
I couldn't afford to
store them anywhere
748
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,052
and that's when Peter
von Stackelberg,
749
01:17:46,096 --> 01:17:50,187
the Canadian journalist, drummed
up some funding to get them
750
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:53,843
all scanned and that was how
the Poison Papers happened.
751
01:17:57,107 --> 01:18:00,240
We must have scanned
close to 200,000 pages.
752
01:18:02,155 --> 01:18:04,723
He could upload them
as they were scanned.
753
01:18:05,985 --> 01:18:08,422
10 hours a day, non-stop.
754
01:18:11,512 --> 01:18:13,384
A lot of the documents involved
755
01:18:13,427 --> 01:18:17,605
the fraudulent testing
of chemical products.
756
01:18:19,607 --> 01:18:22,480
So lawyers now in
bringing these lawsuits
757
01:18:22,523 --> 01:18:25,962
are being able to find that
information and use it.
758
01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:33,839
I hope they'll make trouble.
759
01:18:33,883 --> 01:18:35,754
I mean, that's the whole goal
760
01:18:35,798 --> 01:18:39,540
is to make them available
to anybody that needs them.
761
01:19:33,725 --> 01:19:36,859
[camera snapping]
762
01:19:38,338 --> 01:19:40,514
- Will you film
my tongue please?
763
01:19:44,127 --> 01:19:44,954
Can you see that?
764
01:19:47,739 --> 01:19:49,306
I am at the hospital
765
01:19:50,394 --> 01:19:51,830
and I'm getting ready to go into
766
01:19:53,571 --> 01:19:56,400
the decontamination shower.
767
01:19:56,443 --> 01:19:58,924
I showed them some
of the pamphlets
768
01:20:00,056 --> 01:20:00,883
of
769
01:20:02,406 --> 01:20:05,278
what I got sprayed with
and this one right here,
770
01:20:05,322 --> 01:20:07,498
they seemed to be
very concerned about.
771
01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,848
They have told me
to come out here
772
01:20:09,892 --> 01:20:13,373
and stand here because they
don't want me in the hospital
773
01:20:13,417 --> 01:20:18,248
and so I'm being treated like
a biological hazard here.
774
01:20:21,164 --> 01:20:22,774
I just got up.
775
01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:23,775
This is what...
776
01:20:26,299 --> 01:20:27,953
[Darryl coughs]
777
01:20:27,997 --> 01:20:29,694
The only way I can
sleep at night...
778
01:20:32,392 --> 01:20:34,177
is eating lots of those
779
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:36,657
'cause I can't breathe right
due to these chemicals.
780
01:20:36,701 --> 01:20:38,659
This is my old rag
I have at night
781
01:20:39,922 --> 01:20:41,662
by the bed and obviously,
782
01:20:41,706 --> 01:20:44,404
you can see I'm using
it for, really nasty,
783
01:20:44,448 --> 01:20:46,058
I know this is a nasty video but
784
01:20:46,102 --> 01:20:48,582
this is the crap that's
coming out of me.
785
01:20:49,453 --> 01:20:50,933
[coughs]
786
01:20:53,457 --> 01:20:55,502
- [Susan] There's a
wonderful saying that
787
01:20:55,546 --> 01:20:57,417
if you think you're too
little to make a difference,
788
01:20:57,461 --> 01:20:59,855
then you have never been
in bed with a mosquito.
789
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:04,337
- It is with great pleasure
that the conference co-directors
790
01:21:04,381 --> 01:21:07,253
of the 36th annual Public
Interest Environmental Law
791
01:21:07,297 --> 01:21:10,256
Conference select Carol
Van Strum as a recipient
792
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:13,520
of this year's David Brower
Lifetime Achievement Award
793
01:21:13,564 --> 01:21:15,609
in recognition of her
outstanding environmental
794
01:21:15,653 --> 01:21:18,264
social justice work in
Lincoln County, Oregon.
795
01:21:18,308 --> 01:21:21,311
[people applauding]
796
01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:26,664
- I just want to thank everybody
for making this happen.
797
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:29,493
It's amazing and the other thing
798
01:21:29,536 --> 01:21:33,149
I want to say is that
it was never about me.
799
01:21:33,192 --> 01:21:35,978
It's always
800
01:21:36,021 --> 01:21:37,544
been a lot of other people,
801
01:21:37,588 --> 01:21:40,591
some of them not alive
with us today. [sniffs]
802
01:21:43,768 --> 01:21:47,903
And that's what's gonna make
the changes that are needed.
803
01:21:47,946 --> 01:21:50,383
I think you've got
several generations
804
01:21:50,427 --> 01:21:52,690
coming up of
troublemakers that'll do
805
01:21:52,733 --> 01:21:55,649
a whole lot more than
any of us did, I hope.
806
01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:58,522
[people cheering]
807
01:23:16,121 --> 01:23:20,821
[Music crescendoes]
60985
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