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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:13,135 --> 00:01:15,535 My expertise is in deception. 2 00:01:18,641 --> 00:01:22,577 The thing that sets magicians apart from con men... 3 00:01:24,113 --> 00:01:26,308 ...and other kinds of thieves and liars... 4 00:01:26,482 --> 00:01:28,109 ...is that we're honest liars. 5 00:01:28,284 --> 00:01:30,479 It's the moral contract. 6 00:01:30,653 --> 00:01:33,178 Please give it up for Jamy Ian Swiss. Give it up! 7 00:01:33,356 --> 00:01:36,917 Good evening. Thank you. Thanks a lot. 8 00:01:37,093 --> 00:01:41,621 We'll begin at the beginning with incontrovertible evidence... 9 00:01:41,797 --> 00:01:43,162 ...of a misspent youth. 10 00:01:43,332 --> 00:01:46,324 I'm saying, "I'm gonna fool you, but it's okay." Right? 11 00:01:46,502 --> 00:01:50,871 "That's my job, and I'm gonna bring you back in a not severely altered condition." 12 00:01:51,073 --> 00:01:53,837 You ever seen anybody take cards, wave their hands... 13 00:01:54,009 --> 00:01:56,375 -...and have it change into another card? -No. 14 00:01:56,579 --> 00:01:59,639 You wave your hands over it, and it changes just like that. 15 00:01:59,814 --> 00:02:02,374 You don't always have to wave your hands over it. 16 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:06,112 Sometimes you just give it a little snap. It changes just like that. 17 00:02:06,288 --> 00:02:09,223 -Watch again, just a little snap. -No. 18 00:02:09,392 --> 00:02:11,519 It changes just like that. 19 00:02:12,695 --> 00:02:14,629 I make an honest living, right? 20 00:02:14,797 --> 00:02:16,389 Therefore, it offends me... 21 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:20,365 ...when someone takes the skills of my honest living, if you will... 22 00:02:20,536 --> 00:02:23,664 ...and uses it to twist and distort and manipulate people... 23 00:02:23,839 --> 00:02:27,138 ...and their sense of reality and how the world works. 24 00:02:28,644 --> 00:02:30,134 I know how to fool people... 25 00:02:30,312 --> 00:02:33,839 ...and I know how to recognize when people are being fooled. 26 00:02:41,924 --> 00:02:44,415 Dioxins, pesticides, chemicals in general. 27 00:02:46,028 --> 00:02:48,656 There's no evidence that these are harming us. 28 00:02:57,373 --> 00:03:00,934 Asbestos, designed to last a lifetime... 29 00:03:01,143 --> 00:03:04,704 ...a trouble-free lifetime. 30 00:03:17,092 --> 00:03:19,287 Catastrophic global warming is a hoax. 31 00:03:19,462 --> 00:03:21,396 There's no scientific consensus. 32 00:03:21,564 --> 00:03:23,759 There is no consensus. This is a myth. 33 00:03:32,875 --> 00:03:35,707 Cigarette smoking does not cause cancer, yes or no? 34 00:03:35,878 --> 00:03:38,540 It is not known whether cigarettes cause cancer. 35 00:03:38,714 --> 00:03:40,875 There really isn't a scientific consensus. 36 00:03:45,321 --> 00:03:48,085 Do you accept the basic premise that smoking kills? 37 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:53,457 No, I think that the scientists who make statements like that... 38 00:03:53,629 --> 00:03:58,066 ...are making political statements, not scientific statements. 39 00:04:38,841 --> 00:04:42,299 -How do you spell your name? -G-L-A-N-T-Z. 40 00:04:42,478 --> 00:04:44,241 -I got it. -I can give you a card. 41 00:04:44,380 --> 00:04:46,348 -No, it's all right. Stan, right? -No? 42 00:04:46,515 --> 00:04:48,244 -Or Stanton. Stan. -Are you a...? 43 00:04:48,384 --> 00:04:52,252 I got involved in the tobacco issue in 1978... 44 00:04:53,622 --> 00:04:58,753 ...over clean indoor air. Then, the radical thing was to have a nonsmoking section. 45 00:04:58,894 --> 00:05:03,388 Good evening, the captain has turned off the no-smoking sign. 46 00:05:04,366 --> 00:05:05,958 Smoking was everywhere. 47 00:05:06,135 --> 00:05:07,762 It was on airplanes. 48 00:05:07,903 --> 00:05:09,666 It was in restaurants. 49 00:05:09,838 --> 00:05:11,396 I work in a hospital. 50 00:05:11,574 --> 00:05:14,372 People were smoking in the hospital. 51 00:05:15,344 --> 00:05:18,802 What in the world is so wrong about smoking in the workplace? 52 00:05:18,981 --> 00:05:22,212 I mean, I smoke on my job every night. I'm not hurting anyone. 53 00:05:22,384 --> 00:05:24,978 -Well, that's bullshit. -Is it? 54 00:05:25,154 --> 00:05:29,090 One thing you've gotta be willing to do when you're doing science... 55 00:05:29,291 --> 00:05:33,022 ...that is not in the interest of these giant corporations... 56 00:05:33,195 --> 00:05:36,062 ...when people come after you for baloney reasons... 57 00:05:36,231 --> 00:05:38,722 ...you've gotta be willing to stand up to them. 58 00:05:39,368 --> 00:05:41,996 I don't know of any evidence, conclusive evidence. 59 00:05:42,171 --> 00:05:45,004 -Here. You could read this. -Let me ask you something. 60 00:05:45,174 --> 00:05:47,108 -Let me ask you something. -Read this. 61 00:05:47,309 --> 00:05:51,245 Let me ask you one simple damn question. Hold on. 62 00:05:51,413 --> 00:05:54,746 We spent a long time banging our heads up against the wall... 63 00:05:54,917 --> 00:05:59,377 ...because these guys are rich, they're politically powerful... 64 00:05:59,555 --> 00:06:00,715 ...and they're mean. 65 00:06:00,889 --> 00:06:02,413 -How old are you? -I'm 42. 66 00:06:02,591 --> 00:06:05,924 Forty-two. Now, I smoke four packs of cigarettes a day. 67 00:06:06,095 --> 00:06:08,086 I am 55. 68 00:06:08,263 --> 00:06:10,197 Wait a sec, wait a sec, wait a sec. 69 00:06:10,366 --> 00:06:14,462 Tell me if I don't look 20 years younger than this asshole. 70 00:06:14,637 --> 00:06:16,036 Come on. 71 00:06:17,539 --> 00:06:20,099 But when you went to policy makers or the media... 72 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:23,836 ...and talk about just how dishonest and manipulative they were... 73 00:06:23,979 --> 00:06:27,540 ...people would kind of think you were a little paranoid delusional. 74 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:32,076 And then the whole situation changed. 75 00:06:32,254 --> 00:06:35,849 I'm sitting in my office on the 11th floor of the hospital... 76 00:06:35,991 --> 00:06:38,084 ...and a box arrives. 77 00:06:39,261 --> 00:06:42,094 And in there was thousands of pages... 78 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:45,961 ...of internal tobacco industry documents. 79 00:06:48,303 --> 00:06:51,966 The documents in the box came from somebody on the inside... 80 00:06:52,141 --> 00:06:53,802 ...working for the companies... 81 00:06:53,976 --> 00:06:56,911 ...copying a bunch of documents and sneaking them out... 82 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,480 ...and making them available to people on the outside. 83 00:07:04,153 --> 00:07:06,747 We now have over 80 million pages... 84 00:07:06,921 --> 00:07:09,755 ...and the great bulk of those have become available... 85 00:07:09,925 --> 00:07:13,691 ...because of lawsuits against the tobacco companies. 86 00:07:14,829 --> 00:07:17,663 The thing that is so important about the documents... 87 00:07:17,833 --> 00:07:22,167 ...is it gets you behind the veil, it gets you inside the companies... 88 00:07:22,337 --> 00:07:25,602 ...where you don't have to speculate about what they're doing. 89 00:07:25,774 --> 00:07:27,002 You could read about it. 90 00:07:28,477 --> 00:07:32,470 That the tobacco companies knew smoking caused cancer in the '50s. 91 00:07:32,648 --> 00:07:36,209 It is not known whether cigarettes cause cancer. 92 00:07:36,418 --> 00:07:39,319 That they knew smoking caused heart disease in the '60s. 93 00:07:40,689 --> 00:07:44,181 No causal relationship between cigarette smoking and heart disease? 94 00:07:44,359 --> 00:07:46,190 No, as a matter of fact there are-- 95 00:07:46,361 --> 00:07:49,353 That they knew nicotine was an addictive drug in the '60s. 96 00:07:52,301 --> 00:07:56,795 Yet 30 years later, the CEOs of all the big tobacco companies... 97 00:07:56,972 --> 00:08:02,569 ...stood up under oath and told Congress that nicotine wasn't addictive. 98 00:08:02,745 --> 00:08:07,045 -You believe nicotine is not addictive? -I believe nicotine is not addictive, yes. 99 00:08:07,216 --> 00:08:09,707 I don't believe our products are addictive. 100 00:08:09,885 --> 00:08:11,512 -Not addictive. -Not addictive. 101 00:08:11,687 --> 00:08:13,951 -It's not addictive. -Not addictive. 102 00:08:19,161 --> 00:08:23,860 The science that they did internally was very good, often decades ahead... 103 00:08:24,032 --> 00:08:27,024 ...of what people on the outside were doing. 104 00:08:27,202 --> 00:08:30,194 It's just that you don't want the people on the outside... 105 00:08:30,372 --> 00:08:32,465 ...to know what that evidence is saying. 106 00:08:34,209 --> 00:08:39,112 The tobacco issue broke into the public consciousness in 1953. 107 00:08:39,681 --> 00:08:44,380 Faced with undeniable evidence that smoking was killing people... 108 00:08:44,553 --> 00:08:48,853 ...they did what any self-respecting big corporation would do. 109 00:08:49,024 --> 00:08:51,356 They hired a public relations firm. 110 00:08:57,065 --> 00:09:00,899 And Hill and Knowlton said to the heads of all the big tobacco companies: 111 00:09:01,069 --> 00:09:02,764 "You can't deny the evidence. 112 00:09:02,938 --> 00:09:06,203 You can't say smoking doesn't cause cancer. 113 00:09:06,875 --> 00:09:10,276 But what you can do is cast doubt." 114 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:21,652 I think there's a great deal of doubt as to whether or not cigarettes are harmful. 115 00:09:21,824 --> 00:09:23,917 Smoking may be hazardous, it may not be. 116 00:09:24,092 --> 00:09:26,219 Smoking may be hazardous, it may not be. 117 00:09:26,395 --> 00:09:29,125 It may be or it may not be. We don't know. 118 00:09:29,298 --> 00:09:32,426 None of the things which have been found in tobacco smoke... 119 00:09:34,102 --> 00:09:37,094 ...are at concentrations which can be considered harmful. 120 00:09:37,272 --> 00:09:42,039 But the components themselves can be considered harmful, can they not? 121 00:09:42,177 --> 00:09:44,407 Anything can be considered harmful. 122 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:48,573 Applesauce is harmful if you get too much of it. 123 00:09:48,750 --> 00:09:51,446 I don't think many people are dying from applesauce. 124 00:09:51,620 --> 00:09:53,747 They're not eating that much. 125 00:09:55,924 --> 00:09:59,052 The playbook that big tobacco developed to attack science... 126 00:10:00,863 --> 00:10:02,558 ...worked for them for 50 years. 127 00:10:04,166 --> 00:10:09,661 Because every day that they can delay effective policy action... 128 00:10:09,838 --> 00:10:13,638 ...is one more day that they can make more money. 129 00:10:15,143 --> 00:10:17,304 They can be out there selling a product... 130 00:10:17,479 --> 00:10:22,109 ...that's killing a half-a-million Americans a year and get away with it. 131 00:10:22,284 --> 00:10:26,448 And so other businesses that were faced with regulatory challenges... 132 00:10:26,622 --> 00:10:30,581 ...had to look at this and say, "Boy, if this works for tobacco... 133 00:10:30,726 --> 00:10:33,524 ...we ought to be able to use that playbook too." 134 00:10:37,232 --> 00:10:41,532 What's happened is that people working on a whole range of other issues... 135 00:10:41,703 --> 00:10:44,695 ...that you wouldn't think had much to do with tobacco... 136 00:10:44,873 --> 00:10:47,535 ...have gone into the documents and found things... 137 00:10:47,709 --> 00:10:50,610 ...that we never would have thought to have looked for. 138 00:11:07,029 --> 00:11:09,054 My partner and I, we were both ready... 139 00:11:09,231 --> 00:11:12,758 ...to take on a new project, something we could sink our teeth into. 140 00:11:14,169 --> 00:11:15,534 And almost everybody said: 141 00:11:17,272 --> 00:11:19,705 "You should be looking at flame retardants." 142 00:11:21,209 --> 00:11:25,373 I had no idea that there were flame retardants in my couches, my chairs. 143 00:11:27,049 --> 00:11:29,882 These are chemicals measured by ounces and pounds. 144 00:11:30,052 --> 00:11:35,080 In the average couch, there could be up to 2 pounds of flame retardants. 145 00:11:35,257 --> 00:11:38,522 We all wind up with the chemicals in our bodies because of it. 146 00:11:38,694 --> 00:11:42,790 Because those chemicals come out of the foam, they migrate in the dust. 147 00:11:43,298 --> 00:11:46,062 American babies are born with the highest levels... 148 00:11:46,234 --> 00:11:49,226 ...of flame retardant chemicals of any place in the world. 149 00:11:50,605 --> 00:11:52,402 They're linked to health problems. 150 00:11:54,309 --> 00:11:56,539 And kids are the most vulnerable. 151 00:11:57,546 --> 00:12:02,313 So then the big question was, "Do they really protect us from fires?" 152 00:12:02,484 --> 00:12:04,611 One of the early breakthroughs was... 153 00:12:04,786 --> 00:12:07,812 ...when we talked to the leading fire scientist. 154 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:12,427 It was his study that the chemical industry was holding up as proof... 155 00:12:12,594 --> 00:12:14,994 ...that flame retardants work. 156 00:12:15,998 --> 00:12:20,765 And yet when we talked to him, he said, "They're grossly distorting my work." 157 00:12:20,936 --> 00:12:24,599 That flame retardants in your house... 158 00:12:24,773 --> 00:12:27,401 ...they don't protect you from anything. 159 00:12:27,909 --> 00:12:30,104 And then I thought, "Wow, okay. 160 00:12:30,278 --> 00:12:33,804 We have them in our bodies, they're rising exponentially... 161 00:12:33,982 --> 00:12:36,246 ...and they don't work? 162 00:12:36,418 --> 00:12:37,612 How can that be?" 163 00:12:40,222 --> 00:12:46,490 In the '70s, thousands of people were dying in fires started by cigarettes. 164 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:49,129 When you smoked a cigarette and put it down... 165 00:12:49,297 --> 00:12:53,461 ...it could burn for up to 30 minutes after you'd put it down. 166 00:12:54,169 --> 00:12:56,364 The tobacco industry was under pressure... 167 00:12:56,538 --> 00:12:59,507 ...to create a self-extinguishing cigarette. 168 00:12:59,674 --> 00:13:02,802 Tobacco kept insisting, "We can't do it." 169 00:13:03,378 --> 00:13:05,437 You start tampering with a cigarette... 170 00:13:05,614 --> 00:13:09,983 ...it is a very highly technical and complex undertaking. 171 00:13:10,152 --> 00:13:12,177 They didn't want to alter a product... 172 00:13:12,354 --> 00:13:16,313 ...that was making them billions of dollars a year. 173 00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:18,391 So what they needed was a scapegoat. 174 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,757 And they had this perfect scapegoat, and it was furniture. 175 00:13:21,897 --> 00:13:23,660 The furniture was to blame here. 176 00:13:23,832 --> 00:13:27,962 You need to fireproof the world around the cigarette. 177 00:13:28,136 --> 00:13:31,799 The cigarette industry at that time was having credibility problems... 178 00:13:31,973 --> 00:13:37,001 ...so they needed a credible third party to go out there and deliver their message. 179 00:13:39,214 --> 00:13:41,808 There was this document in the tobacco archives... 180 00:13:41,983 --> 00:13:46,044 ...that laid bare their strategy in pretty callous language. 181 00:13:46,221 --> 00:13:50,282 "You have to try to understand who is a potential threat to you... 182 00:13:50,425 --> 00:13:52,359 ...so you can neutralize them. 183 00:13:52,527 --> 00:13:55,860 Example, the self-extinguishing cigarette. 184 00:13:56,031 --> 00:13:59,159 Who would be involved in the self-extinguishing cigarette... 185 00:13:59,334 --> 00:14:02,861 ...on the other side of the fence? The firefighting community." 186 00:14:03,038 --> 00:14:05,370 This is an international group of executives. 187 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:07,701 He's saying, "This is what you need to do. 188 00:14:07,876 --> 00:14:10,400 Find your enemies. In this case the fire service. 189 00:14:10,579 --> 00:14:13,673 Those folks are a real threat to us. Neutralize them." 190 00:14:15,617 --> 00:14:17,881 "We had turned them around and made allies. 191 00:14:18,053 --> 00:14:21,545 Third-party defenders for ourselves." 192 00:14:23,191 --> 00:14:28,185 So there was a guy at the Tobacco Institute named Peter Sparber. 193 00:14:28,363 --> 00:14:31,264 The Tobacco Institute planted Peter Sparber... 194 00:14:31,433 --> 00:14:35,699 ...inside the National Association of State Fire Marshals. 195 00:14:38,607 --> 00:14:43,237 And the fire marshals named him their legislative representative. 196 00:14:45,647 --> 00:14:48,741 What the fire marshals didn't know was that big tobacco... 197 00:14:48,917 --> 00:14:53,445 ...was paying him $200 an hour for work they thought was volunteer work. 198 00:14:54,856 --> 00:14:56,949 So in some ways he's almost like a spy. 199 00:14:57,125 --> 00:14:59,923 He would go in, he would talk to the fire marshals. 200 00:15:00,095 --> 00:15:05,499 And he convinced them that they should deliver the message of big tobacco. 201 00:15:06,134 --> 00:15:10,070 That it's not cigarettes causing all these fatal fires, it's the furniture. 202 00:15:13,942 --> 00:15:16,809 Manufacturers had to put pounds of toxic chemicals... 203 00:15:16,978 --> 00:15:18,809 ...into the cushions of your couch. 204 00:15:20,582 --> 00:15:22,516 You have to hand it to Peter Sparber. 205 00:15:22,684 --> 00:15:25,983 I don't think there's too many guys that could pull that off. 206 00:15:26,154 --> 00:15:29,419 He said, "If you can do tobacco... 207 00:15:29,591 --> 00:15:33,459 ...you can do just about anything in public relations." 208 00:15:34,196 --> 00:15:39,031 Peter Sparber went on to work for the pesticide industry, the oil industry. 209 00:15:39,201 --> 00:15:41,669 There are other Peter Sparbers out there. 210 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:47,540 You see the same small group of people that the tobacco industry used... 211 00:15:47,709 --> 00:15:49,939 ...working on all kinds of other issues. 212 00:15:50,111 --> 00:15:52,773 This is not what the drunk driving debate is about. 213 00:15:52,948 --> 00:15:55,974 This is political sound bites instead of good science. 214 00:15:56,151 --> 00:15:58,915 They had developed a certain set of skills... 215 00:15:59,054 --> 00:16:01,716 ...that a lot of industries are gonna want. 216 00:16:01,923 --> 00:16:04,551 Dioxins, pesticides, chemicals in general. 217 00:16:04,726 --> 00:16:07,126 There's no evidence that these are harming us. 218 00:16:07,295 --> 00:16:10,128 The only way these guys are actually effective... 219 00:16:10,298 --> 00:16:13,790 ...is if the public thinks they're an independent voice. 220 00:16:13,969 --> 00:16:16,699 Steve, first of all, are you in bed with big oil... 221 00:16:16,871 --> 00:16:19,806 ...and if so, how good in bed are they? 222 00:16:19,975 --> 00:16:24,537 Not in bed with anyone, just trying to do the right thing on climate change. 223 00:16:34,522 --> 00:16:35,223 Red. Watch it. You win. You lose. 224 00:16:35,223 --> 00:16:36,884 Red. Watch it. You win. You lose. 225 00:16:37,058 --> 00:16:39,253 You lose. See. 226 00:16:41,329 --> 00:16:43,092 How did you miss that one? 227 00:16:43,265 --> 00:16:45,893 Nobody ever won at Three-Card Monte in history. 228 00:16:46,067 --> 00:16:49,035 They've been playing it for 150 years, and nobody's won. 229 00:16:49,204 --> 00:16:51,399 That one's your red. That one's your black. 230 00:16:52,974 --> 00:16:55,499 People want to think that the Three-Card Monte... 231 00:16:55,677 --> 00:16:59,408 ...is all about the sleight-of-hand maneuver the Monte operator uses... 232 00:16:59,581 --> 00:17:01,913 ...to switch one card for another. 233 00:17:02,083 --> 00:17:03,277 That's the least of it. 234 00:17:04,886 --> 00:17:08,287 The Monte operator, he wants to instill that confidence in you. 235 00:17:08,490 --> 00:17:10,856 That's where "con" comes in con game. 236 00:17:11,026 --> 00:17:14,894 And so he enlists the assistance of confederates... 237 00:17:15,063 --> 00:17:19,363 ...shills, people who stand there and bet with money and watch the game. 238 00:17:20,769 --> 00:17:23,363 The shill wins so that you have the confidence... 239 00:17:23,538 --> 00:17:25,529 ...that the Monte operator will pay. 240 00:17:25,707 --> 00:17:28,801 Pay me. Thank you. Thank you. 241 00:17:30,245 --> 00:17:33,112 They're gonna look like they're independent. 242 00:17:33,281 --> 00:17:35,579 The idea of how to mask the shill... 243 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:38,810 ...how to make the shill look legitimate to the audience... 244 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:42,285 ...so that they're not suspect when they're playing the game... 245 00:17:42,457 --> 00:17:44,220 ...is all part of the psychology. 246 00:17:44,392 --> 00:17:47,555 The game does not work without that concealment. 247 00:17:51,833 --> 00:17:54,267 The evidence does not support the notion... 248 00:17:54,436 --> 00:17:56,597 ...that humans are causing global warming. 249 00:17:56,771 --> 00:17:58,932 There is no scientific basis for alarm. 250 00:17:59,107 --> 00:18:02,133 We do not know enough about what affects climate. 251 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:04,141 We don't know if there's a problem. 252 00:18:04,312 --> 00:18:06,644 Climate scientists have a political agenda... 253 00:18:06,815 --> 00:18:11,047 ...and they are using science to drive that political agenda. 254 00:18:17,992 --> 00:18:22,486 First of all, Dr. Hansen, say your name, spell your last name, give your title. 255 00:18:22,664 --> 00:18:24,256 Well, I'm James Hansen. 256 00:18:24,432 --> 00:18:28,562 I'm the head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies. And it's H-A-N-S-E-N. 257 00:18:28,703 --> 00:18:29,829 Okay. 258 00:18:31,673 --> 00:18:33,607 You've created quite a stir. 259 00:18:33,775 --> 00:18:37,302 Are you glad that the stir is happening? 260 00:18:37,479 --> 00:18:40,471 Well, I think that it's important to have the attention... 261 00:18:40,648 --> 00:18:43,708 ...on the possible climate changes. 262 00:18:44,619 --> 00:18:46,849 -Let's try that again. -Sure. 263 00:18:47,021 --> 00:18:48,852 -You want to ask the question? -No. 264 00:18:49,023 --> 00:18:51,583 No, you just go ahead and answer them. 265 00:18:51,726 --> 00:18:57,687 Well, I think that-- What I'd like to say is that, frankly... 266 00:18:57,866 --> 00:19:02,326 ...I would rather do my research than be interviewed for TV. 267 00:19:06,641 --> 00:19:10,338 What made you fall in love with science? 268 00:19:10,512 --> 00:19:12,139 Well, that's what I could do. 269 00:19:12,313 --> 00:19:15,373 I could do physics and mathematics. That was easy for me. 270 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,747 I got into science with NASA... 271 00:19:20,922 --> 00:19:23,516 ...as the space program was just getting started. 272 00:19:23,691 --> 00:19:28,492 I had proposed an experiment to go to Venus on the Pioneer Venus mission. 273 00:19:28,663 --> 00:19:33,657 The question was, "Well, why was Venus so hot?" 274 00:19:33,835 --> 00:19:37,362 As it turned out, the greenhouse effect was the reason... 275 00:19:37,539 --> 00:19:42,499 ...why Venus had a temperature of about 600 degrees. 276 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,149 We started realizing that our own atmosphere was changing. 277 00:19:50,285 --> 00:19:53,584 So I then began to work full-time... 278 00:19:53,755 --> 00:19:58,158 ...on understanding our planet instead of Venus. 279 00:20:00,395 --> 00:20:03,956 The CO2 that we put in the air by burning fossil fuels... 280 00:20:04,165 --> 00:20:07,726 ...will stay in the climate system for millennia. 281 00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:12,062 It's like putting a blanket around the planet. 282 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,673 It holds in the heat. 283 00:20:17,212 --> 00:20:20,545 Civilization has developed in the last several thousand years... 284 00:20:20,715 --> 00:20:23,275 ...in a climate that has been very stable... 285 00:20:23,451 --> 00:20:27,615 ...varying by no more than about one degree. 286 00:20:28,189 --> 00:20:30,316 So if you warm up a few degrees... 287 00:20:30,492 --> 00:20:35,088 ...you're putting the planet outside that which has existed... 288 00:20:35,263 --> 00:20:38,494 ...for hundreds of thousands of years. 289 00:20:42,337 --> 00:20:47,274 We'd just assumed that humanity would take sensible actions... 290 00:20:47,442 --> 00:20:51,139 ...to avoid undesirable consequences. 291 00:20:51,312 --> 00:20:52,939 Thank you for being here. 292 00:20:53,114 --> 00:20:56,413 Dr. Hansen, if you'd start us off, we'd appreciate it. 293 00:20:56,918 --> 00:20:58,647 Mr. Chairman and members-- 294 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:01,220 You have to talk right into the microphone. 295 00:21:01,356 --> 00:21:03,756 These are not high-tech microphones. 296 00:21:03,924 --> 00:21:08,294 You have to pull it right over close and talk right into it or people can't hear. 297 00:21:08,463 --> 00:21:09,987 -Okay. -There you go. 298 00:21:10,164 --> 00:21:13,600 Most scientists are not good communicators. 299 00:21:13,768 --> 00:21:15,258 We're not trained to do that. 300 00:21:15,436 --> 00:21:17,267 Science itself is hard enough... 301 00:21:17,437 --> 00:21:22,535 ...without trying to communicate with the public. 302 00:21:22,744 --> 00:21:25,008 The global warming is now large enough... 303 00:21:25,179 --> 00:21:28,342 ...that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence... 304 00:21:28,516 --> 00:21:32,782 ...a cause-and-effect relationship to the greenhouse effect. 305 00:21:32,954 --> 00:21:38,483 So in 1988, Jim Hansen testifies, and the news media reports it. 306 00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:42,990 It could mean devastating changes to life on Earth. 307 00:21:43,164 --> 00:21:46,065 John Passacantando, executive director of Greenpeace. 308 00:21:47,468 --> 00:21:49,493 I just trundled into this fight... 309 00:21:49,671 --> 00:21:52,902 ...as really just another earnest environmentalist. 310 00:21:55,076 --> 00:21:57,567 I've worked on this for 20 years. 311 00:21:57,779 --> 00:22:02,341 Environmentalists, we thought this was a fight about science. 312 00:22:02,517 --> 00:22:04,985 Get the science out there, into the media... 313 00:22:05,153 --> 00:22:07,519 ...politicians will listen, we can solve this. 314 00:22:07,689 --> 00:22:10,522 The question is, what will the White House do about it? 315 00:22:10,692 --> 00:22:14,924 Politicians, even President Bush, say, "We're gonna tackle this." 316 00:22:15,096 --> 00:22:17,690 Those who think we're powerless with this greenhouse effect... 317 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:21,591 ...are forgetting about the White House effect. 318 00:22:22,236 --> 00:22:26,696 So the fossil fuel industry realizes it has an enormous problem. 319 00:22:26,874 --> 00:22:30,901 Bill O'Keefe is executive vice president of the American Petroleum Institute. 320 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:34,173 He's also a board member of the Global Climate Coalition... 321 00:22:34,349 --> 00:22:38,251 ...made up of oil and electric companies, automakers and others. 322 00:22:38,418 --> 00:22:41,855 We believed it was a war on oil, they had an off-oil agenda. 323 00:22:43,625 --> 00:22:45,388 Climate change was part of that. 324 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,552 I think that it's unfortunate that the science... 325 00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:50,721 ...is so distorted and misstated.... 326 00:22:50,898 --> 00:22:54,356 The science is complicated, and there are lots of factors. 327 00:22:54,535 --> 00:22:56,765 You have to understand the whole picture. 328 00:22:56,938 --> 00:23:00,533 There is a natural variability that has nothing to do with man. 329 00:23:00,742 --> 00:23:02,368 Climate is changing naturally. 330 00:23:02,543 --> 00:23:06,377 It has to do with sunspots, the wobble of the Earth. 331 00:23:06,547 --> 00:23:08,981 And so it's not too difficult... 332 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:13,416 ...to persuade some of the public that we really don't know for sure. 333 00:23:13,588 --> 00:23:16,386 So let's wait awhile. We need to have more proof. 334 00:23:16,557 --> 00:23:18,422 We need more data. 335 00:23:18,593 --> 00:23:21,153 The science isn't there to make a determination. 336 00:23:21,362 --> 00:23:24,957 There is no need for us to rush to this kind of judgment.... 337 00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:29,627 Others put out ads saying more pollution is gonna be good for us. 338 00:23:29,804 --> 00:23:32,238 A doubling of the CO2 in the atmosphere... 339 00:23:32,407 --> 00:23:35,399 ...will produce a tremendous greening of Planet Earth. 340 00:23:35,576 --> 00:23:36,975 CO2 benefits plant life. 341 00:23:37,145 --> 00:23:39,978 It's increasing the bounty of the planet... 342 00:23:40,148 --> 00:23:42,446 ...our ability to feed populations. 343 00:23:42,617 --> 00:23:44,676 What you see from the coal industry... 344 00:23:44,886 --> 00:23:47,787 ...is analogous to what the tobacco industry used to do. 345 00:23:47,955 --> 00:23:51,914 They refuse to change. They're trying to convince us that it's good for us. 346 00:23:52,093 --> 00:23:55,756 The way they used to say, "Luckys make you healthy." 347 00:23:55,929 --> 00:24:00,629 So there's this hope that, as the science continues to emerge... 348 00:24:00,802 --> 00:24:02,963 ...the public will become aware... 349 00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:06,800 ...and our political leaders will solve this problem. 350 00:24:06,974 --> 00:24:09,169 But that's not what happened. 351 00:24:21,622 --> 00:24:25,649 I was always interested in broader questions about scientific knowledge. 352 00:24:25,826 --> 00:24:27,988 Why we believe some things and not others. 353 00:24:28,162 --> 00:24:29,993 How do scientists come to consensus? 354 00:24:30,164 --> 00:24:33,793 What does it take for scientists to say, "Yes, we know this is true"? 355 00:24:33,968 --> 00:24:36,994 The problem is, there's no consensus on what's causing it. 356 00:24:37,171 --> 00:24:39,833 Consensus has not been met among scientists.... 357 00:24:40,007 --> 00:24:42,703 A decade after Hansen had testified in Congress... 358 00:24:42,877 --> 00:24:44,868 ...that climate change was happening... 359 00:24:45,046 --> 00:24:48,504 ...the media are still presenting this as a big scientific debate. 360 00:24:48,683 --> 00:24:52,983 Gentlemen, I'm sure that this debate is gonna continue for a long, long time. 361 00:24:53,154 --> 00:24:55,714 I had the idea that we could test this question... 362 00:24:55,890 --> 00:24:59,087 ...of whether or not there was a consensus among scientists. 363 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:01,956 Active scientists, people who are doing research... 364 00:25:02,096 --> 00:25:03,688 ...and publishing in journals. 365 00:25:03,865 --> 00:25:06,857 Not the public at large, not politicians, but scientists. 366 00:25:10,571 --> 00:25:13,734 And so we got a list of all of the papers... 367 00:25:13,908 --> 00:25:17,901 ...that had been published from 1992 to 2002... 368 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,571 ...that had used that key word phrase "global climate change." 369 00:25:21,748 --> 00:25:23,478 And then we read them. 370 00:25:23,618 --> 00:25:25,245 The question was... 371 00:25:25,419 --> 00:25:30,356 ...how many of these papers disagree that most of the observed warming... 372 00:25:30,525 --> 00:25:34,689 ...is due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations? 373 00:25:35,429 --> 00:25:39,297 So I certainly thought we would get some that disagreed. 374 00:25:41,135 --> 00:25:42,898 And when we found nothing... 375 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:47,097 ...then I thought, "Oh, this is a result that needs to be published." 376 00:25:48,209 --> 00:25:51,144 When my article on the scientific consensus came out... 377 00:25:51,312 --> 00:25:55,248 ...I started getting threatening e-mails, saying that I was a communist... 378 00:25:55,416 --> 00:25:58,214 ...that I should be fired from my job. 379 00:26:00,922 --> 00:26:02,719 A few people began to say to me: 380 00:26:02,890 --> 00:26:06,587 "Other people have also been attacked in a way that seems similar." 381 00:26:06,761 --> 00:26:10,026 People who worked on acid rain, who worked on the ozone hole. 382 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,463 I started doing research on the people who were attacking me. 383 00:26:16,437 --> 00:26:19,065 And that's when I discovered a startling fact. 384 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,071 They were the same people... 385 00:26:21,242 --> 00:26:24,177 ...who had attacked the scientists on all these issues. 386 00:26:25,947 --> 00:26:30,281 Then I began to realize, "This is a debate, but this is not a scientific debate." 387 00:26:30,451 --> 00:26:33,477 And if it's not scientific, then the question becomes: 388 00:26:33,654 --> 00:26:36,623 "Well, what sort of a debate is it?" 389 00:26:52,773 --> 00:26:55,264 Dr. Fred Singer was greeted like a rock star... 390 00:26:55,443 --> 00:26:58,003 ...at a recent meeting of global warming skeptics. 391 00:26:58,179 --> 00:27:01,012 This 84-year-old, Princeton-trained physicist... 392 00:27:01,182 --> 00:27:03,150 ...is the grandfather of a movement... 393 00:27:03,317 --> 00:27:06,377 ...that rails against the broad scientific understanding... 394 00:27:06,587 --> 00:27:11,615 ...that global warming is real, man-made and potentially catastrophic. 395 00:27:11,792 --> 00:27:14,317 It's all bunk. It's all bunk. 396 00:27:14,495 --> 00:27:17,658 There are so many scientists who disagree with you. 397 00:27:17,832 --> 00:27:21,290 The IPCC, NASA, NOAA, the National Academy of Sciences... 398 00:27:21,469 --> 00:27:24,461 ...American Association for the Advancement of Science... 399 00:27:24,639 --> 00:27:28,302 ...The American Geophysical Union, The American Meteorological Society. 400 00:27:28,476 --> 00:27:31,377 We're talking about scientists all over the globe. 401 00:27:31,545 --> 00:27:33,536 What can I say? They're wrong. 402 00:27:33,714 --> 00:27:38,048 When we talk about scientists, there are really two camps. 403 00:27:38,219 --> 00:27:42,679 Those of us who wish to have decisions that are evidence-based... 404 00:27:44,358 --> 00:27:48,624 ...are called, not just skeptics, which is a good word... 405 00:27:48,763 --> 00:27:50,856 ...but they're called deniers. 406 00:27:51,032 --> 00:27:53,523 And some of us are called criminals. 407 00:27:53,701 --> 00:27:55,225 What would you call yourself? 408 00:27:55,402 --> 00:28:00,397 Well, I consider myself, primarily, a scientist. 409 00:28:01,943 --> 00:28:04,241 A major part of the mystery of this story... 410 00:28:04,412 --> 00:28:07,870 ...was to understand the scientists in the story. 411 00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:11,416 This whole thing doesn't work unless there are credible voices. 412 00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:15,887 Eminent scientists, Drs. Singer and Seitz... 413 00:28:16,057 --> 00:28:18,423 ...promote the skeptic view on climate change. 414 00:28:20,027 --> 00:28:23,463 Singer and Seitz rose to high positions of influence and power... 415 00:28:23,664 --> 00:28:26,861 ...within the American scientific establishment. 416 00:28:28,035 --> 00:28:32,768 Fred Seitz was one of the most important American physicists of the 20th century. 417 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:36,603 He was the president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. 418 00:28:36,777 --> 00:28:40,178 But now we see him starting to attack science and scientists... 419 00:28:40,314 --> 00:28:43,078 ...in areas in which he has no expertise. 420 00:28:43,884 --> 00:28:48,048 So why would a man like that question the work of his own scientific colleagues? 421 00:28:49,222 --> 00:28:52,056 One of the other things that emerged was that Seitz... 422 00:28:52,226 --> 00:28:55,753 ...had worked for the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. 423 00:28:57,331 --> 00:29:00,459 The blame for smoking should be placed upon smokers. 424 00:29:02,336 --> 00:29:05,601 If they buy them, it's their responsibility. 425 00:29:05,773 --> 00:29:07,764 Yeah, but you know that in the '80s... 426 00:29:07,942 --> 00:29:12,402 ...the tobacco company very clearly said that there wasn't a direct linkage. 427 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:16,573 If people wanted to believe that, it was their own doing. 428 00:29:16,751 --> 00:29:20,209 But was that also political on the part of the tobacco companies? 429 00:29:20,354 --> 00:29:22,982 -Well, they wanted to keep up sales. -Yeah. 430 00:29:23,157 --> 00:29:26,718 Was it irresponsible on the part of the tobacco companies? 431 00:29:28,829 --> 00:29:32,265 It was irresponsible on the part of the smokers. 432 00:29:34,368 --> 00:29:38,327 Fred Singer, like Fred Seitz, also worked with the tobacco industry. 433 00:29:38,506 --> 00:29:43,307 You can find many documents that attest to his relationship with Philip Morris. 434 00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:47,277 I still think that the EPA has cooked the data on secondhand smoke. 435 00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:52,044 I am annoyed by the fact that this tobacco business... 436 00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:58,055 ...comes up every time when I speak about global warming... 437 00:29:58,259 --> 00:30:00,352 ...which has nothing to do with tobacco. 438 00:30:01,028 --> 00:30:03,053 So why did Seitz and Singer do this? 439 00:30:03,263 --> 00:30:06,324 Why would they make common cause with the tobacco industry? 440 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,832 Most people assume the answer's money. 441 00:30:09,003 --> 00:30:12,495 But it was clear to me early on that that wasn't the whole story. 442 00:30:12,673 --> 00:30:13,765 Lift off. 443 00:30:14,508 --> 00:30:17,204 Lift off at 34 minutes.... 444 00:30:17,378 --> 00:30:20,142 Both Seitz and Singer are Cold War scientists. 445 00:30:20,314 --> 00:30:24,080 They both worked on Cold War weapons and rocketry programs. 446 00:30:24,285 --> 00:30:27,379 I was primarily concerned with building instrumentation... 447 00:30:27,555 --> 00:30:30,649 ...to be put into captured V2 rockets. 448 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:35,655 We felt the threat of the Soviet Union quite strongly. 449 00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:40,028 They also shared a kind of political ideology, deeply, deeply anti-communist. 450 00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:42,496 When the Cold War ends... 451 00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:47,664 ...they begin systematically attacking all these other issues. 452 00:30:48,242 --> 00:30:52,110 There's a bit of a mystery. What do these things all have in common? 453 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,843 All of these issues are issues that involve... 454 00:30:56,016 --> 00:30:58,450 ...the need for government action. 455 00:30:58,619 --> 00:31:00,211 That's when the penny dropped. 456 00:31:00,387 --> 00:31:03,379 I began to realize, none of this is about the science. 457 00:31:04,859 --> 00:31:07,919 This is a political debate about the role of government. 458 00:31:08,829 --> 00:31:11,889 So in a number of places, we found these people saying... 459 00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:14,830 ...they see environmentalists as creeping communists. 460 00:31:14,969 --> 00:31:17,961 They're Reds under the bed, they call them watermelons... 461 00:31:18,139 --> 00:31:20,130 ...Green on the outside, Red inside... 462 00:31:20,341 --> 00:31:22,901 ...and they worry that environmental regulation... 463 00:31:23,077 --> 00:31:25,067 ...is a slippery slope to socialism. 464 00:31:25,246 --> 00:31:30,115 Socialism will not be buried under the ruins of the Berlin Wall. 465 00:31:31,252 --> 00:31:33,220 We're not seeing the end of communism. 466 00:31:33,387 --> 00:31:38,723 But the beginning of a new threat to free enterprise and to liberal democracies. 467 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,759 By any other name... 468 00:31:40,928 --> 00:31:45,991 ...government control of the economy is still government control of the economy. 469 00:31:52,173 --> 00:31:53,572 I call them watermelons. 470 00:31:53,741 --> 00:31:56,642 They're Green on the outside, but Red on the inside. 471 00:32:01,982 --> 00:32:04,450 You know, at the end of the Cold War... 472 00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:06,984 ...we threw these people out the window Red... 473 00:32:07,154 --> 00:32:10,146 ...and now they've walked back in the front door Green. 474 00:32:11,192 --> 00:32:14,593 I'll tell you what the environmental movement is in this country. 475 00:32:14,762 --> 00:32:17,287 It is the modern home... 476 00:32:17,464 --> 00:32:22,458 ...of the socialist-slash-communist movement in America. 477 00:32:26,974 --> 00:32:32,310 This bill is Green on the outside and inside it's deep communist Red. 478 00:32:48,295 --> 00:32:51,992 The further down the road somebody gets in terms of their commitment... 479 00:32:52,165 --> 00:32:55,567 ...behaviorally and ideologically with a social group, a tribe-- 480 00:32:57,171 --> 00:32:59,935 "Our tribe doubts climate change. That's what we do." 481 00:33:00,074 --> 00:33:03,134 Whether you care or not, your tribe believes a bunch... 482 00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:07,041 ...of other things that you also believe, so you buy the package. 483 00:33:09,882 --> 00:33:13,478 I am Michael Shermer, director of The Skeptic Society. 484 00:33:13,654 --> 00:33:16,248 We investigate the paranormal, pseudoscience... 485 00:33:16,457 --> 00:33:18,982 ...and cults and claims of all kinds between. 486 00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:21,218 Some people call us debunkers... 487 00:33:21,395 --> 00:33:25,695 ...but there's a lot of bunk that needs debunking and that's part of our job. 488 00:33:25,866 --> 00:33:29,029 When I say, "Where's the spacecraft?" You say, "They hid it." 489 00:33:29,203 --> 00:33:31,228 Your whole case is based on anecdotes. 490 00:33:31,405 --> 00:33:35,068 You gotta have a piece of the spacecraft, as I've always said. 491 00:33:35,242 --> 00:33:37,369 Bring back one of those probes. 492 00:33:37,544 --> 00:33:39,375 We did one on Holocaust deniers. 493 00:33:39,546 --> 00:33:42,071 Vaccinations, "Do Vaccines Cause Autism?" 494 00:33:42,249 --> 00:33:44,615 We've done many issues on climate change. 495 00:33:44,785 --> 00:33:47,481 I became skeptical of the environmental movement... 496 00:33:47,621 --> 00:33:50,590 ...when a lot of the predictions they made in the '70s-- 497 00:33:50,758 --> 00:33:54,057 When I was in college and taking classes in these subjects. 498 00:33:54,228 --> 00:33:57,220 --it was clear they weren't coming true. They exaggerated. 499 00:34:02,236 --> 00:34:05,034 Sometime in the next 15 years, the end will come. 500 00:34:05,205 --> 00:34:08,868 An utter breakdown of the capacity of the planet to support humanity. 501 00:34:09,043 --> 00:34:11,739 And when civilization collapses on this earth... 502 00:34:11,912 --> 00:34:16,372 ...as it will within this decade, it's going to hit the U.S. first. 503 00:34:18,018 --> 00:34:21,818 Rain forests would disappear and we'd run out of oil, and all that. 504 00:34:22,022 --> 00:34:24,081 Overpopulation will destroy the Earth. 505 00:34:24,258 --> 00:34:27,091 And billions of people would be starving to death... 506 00:34:27,261 --> 00:34:29,729 ...because we don't have food to feed them. 507 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,432 None of that happened, It didn't even remotely happen. 508 00:34:42,042 --> 00:34:44,533 By the late '90s, the global warming thing... 509 00:34:44,678 --> 00:34:47,044 ...it became kind of a secular apocalypse... 510 00:34:47,181 --> 00:34:51,242 ...sort of a millenarianism for liberals. 511 00:34:51,418 --> 00:34:54,114 It's not just a prediction, it was like, "Oh, boy. 512 00:34:54,288 --> 00:34:57,985 Disaster is coming, and we, the chosen ones, well, we were right. 513 00:34:58,158 --> 00:35:01,491 We'll come out the other side and say, 'See, we were right."' 514 00:35:01,662 --> 00:35:04,756 So I was a climate skeptic for several decades, actually. 515 00:35:04,932 --> 00:35:06,456 But data trumps politics. 516 00:35:06,633 --> 00:35:09,602 In the end, you have to follow the data. 517 00:35:10,838 --> 00:35:14,433 I read, you know, all the leading books and scientific papers. 518 00:35:14,608 --> 00:35:18,601 I'm trained enough to realize what the data actually show. 519 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,677 I thought, "Oh, my God, this stuff is real." 520 00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:24,875 Take all the politics out... 521 00:35:25,085 --> 00:35:27,076 ...the Earth is getting warmer... 522 00:35:27,221 --> 00:35:29,621 ...and we're the cause, no question about it. 523 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:33,351 So this isn't the greatest hoax ever sold to the American people? 524 00:35:33,527 --> 00:35:36,690 No, climate change is not the greatest hoax ever sold to us. 525 00:35:36,864 --> 00:35:40,459 But people on the right, they really think it is, even Libertarians. 526 00:35:40,634 --> 00:35:45,037 I go to this Libertarian conference every summer, Freedom Fest in Las Vegas. 527 00:35:51,178 --> 00:35:53,646 The Cato Institute is a Libertarian think tank. 528 00:35:53,814 --> 00:35:56,647 We're dedicated to free markets and individual liberty. 529 00:35:56,817 --> 00:35:59,115 Freedom from government, limited government. 530 00:35:59,253 --> 00:36:02,313 The Heartland Institute believes warming is not man-made. 531 00:36:02,489 --> 00:36:06,482 This is our event today. James Taylor is with The Heartland Institute. 532 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,059 -Okay. -Who is he debating? 533 00:36:08,228 --> 00:36:10,696 He is debating Mr. Shermer... 534 00:36:10,864 --> 00:36:13,890 ...who is-- He writes for Skeptic Magazine... 535 00:36:14,067 --> 00:36:17,503 ...but James Taylor is doing the skeptic side today. 536 00:36:17,671 --> 00:36:21,198 We'll see what happens at the debate. Yeah, we'll go to that. 537 00:36:21,375 --> 00:36:26,403 They think of me as some liberal crazy, conspiracy-- Putting together this con-- 538 00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:28,639 This made-up story about climate change. 539 00:36:28,782 --> 00:36:32,411 I'm like, "I used to be on your side. All I did was look at the data." 540 00:36:34,087 --> 00:36:37,022 I've been Libertarian my whole adult life. 541 00:36:37,191 --> 00:36:40,718 Since I read Atlas Shrugged in college, like everybody else here. 542 00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:43,385 I prefer to read The Wall Street Journal... 543 00:36:43,564 --> 00:36:45,054 ...and ignore The NY Times... 544 00:36:45,231 --> 00:36:48,429 ...because The Journal tells me what I like to know is true. 545 00:36:48,602 --> 00:36:51,799 So what flipped me was just sort of looking at the data... 546 00:36:51,972 --> 00:36:54,964 ...and all the new data that had come in the early 2000s. 547 00:36:55,175 --> 00:36:58,542 Ninety-nine percent of the world's glaciers are retreating. 548 00:36:58,712 --> 00:37:02,580 Why don't people change their minds when new data comes in about climate? 549 00:37:02,749 --> 00:37:04,717 Because it isn't about the data. 550 00:37:04,885 --> 00:37:07,786 It's about me being a consistent tribal member... 551 00:37:07,955 --> 00:37:11,721 ...and showing to my fellow tribe members that you can count on me. 552 00:37:11,892 --> 00:37:16,329 The whole global warming debate is based upon your team... 553 00:37:16,497 --> 00:37:18,089 -...starting out-- -"My team." 554 00:37:18,265 --> 00:37:21,257 Yeah, your team. Starting out by making the declaration... 555 00:37:21,435 --> 00:37:23,995 ...that carbon dioxide causes temperature change. 556 00:37:24,204 --> 00:37:25,831 First, it's not fifty-fifty. 557 00:37:26,006 --> 00:37:29,703 It's not like half of scientists say this and the other half say that. 558 00:37:29,843 --> 00:37:32,903 Almost none of them say what my opponent says. 559 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,516 -That's a lie. -No, none. I showed you the chart. No. 560 00:37:36,717 --> 00:37:39,345 -Ninety-nine percent of scientists-- -That's a lie! 561 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,852 You can repeat it, but it won't make it true. 562 00:37:42,022 --> 00:37:44,786 Ninety-nine percent have said that it's real. 563 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,483 -That is a bold-faced lie. -No, it is not. 564 00:37:50,764 --> 00:37:53,756 When I go into these debates, it feels like I'm going... 565 00:37:53,934 --> 00:37:57,267 ...into a Twilight Zone episode. 566 00:37:58,939 --> 00:38:01,271 You know, where black is white, up is down... 567 00:38:01,441 --> 00:38:04,740 ...and everything is just the opposite of what you think it is. 568 00:38:06,613 --> 00:38:11,016 Two parallel worlds that exist side by side. 569 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:17,820 And each of us has a counterpart in this world. 570 00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,516 Carbon dioxide increases have followed-- 571 00:38:20,694 --> 00:38:24,824 Whenever I deal with climate deniers, it's almost like a mirrored reality. 572 00:38:25,632 --> 00:38:28,465 I put up the slide showing the Earth getting warmer... 573 00:38:28,635 --> 00:38:30,899 ...and the other guys put up the same slide: 574 00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:32,766 "The Earth is getting cooler." 575 00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:35,033 Temperatures now are not abnormally warm. 576 00:38:35,208 --> 00:38:36,869 They're abnormally cool. 577 00:38:37,711 --> 00:38:41,545 Another dimension? Another world parallel to ours? 578 00:38:41,715 --> 00:38:43,148 You call that rational? 579 00:38:45,052 --> 00:38:47,020 When you look at climate scientists... 580 00:38:47,187 --> 00:38:49,985 ...we know who they are, they work in science labs. 581 00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:53,584 On the other side, people are not scientists. 582 00:38:53,794 --> 00:38:54,920 Global warming.... 583 00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:58,154 Or if they are scientists, they're not climate scientists. 584 00:38:58,332 --> 00:39:00,800 They're a political, ideological group... 585 00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:04,835 ...that just mines the data that somebody else gets... 586 00:39:05,005 --> 00:39:10,077 ...and cherry-picks data that fits what they already want to be true. 587 00:39:10,344 --> 00:39:14,542 An international group of scientific experts said in no uncertain terms... 588 00:39:14,715 --> 00:39:16,546 ...global warming is real... 589 00:39:16,717 --> 00:39:21,211 ...and it's almost certainly caused by what we humans do to this planet. 590 00:39:22,422 --> 00:39:26,119 The IPCC is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change... 591 00:39:26,326 --> 00:39:30,456 ...and it literally consists of thousands of professional climate scientists... 592 00:39:30,631 --> 00:39:32,758 ...from all over the world. 593 00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:35,868 And then we have the NIPCC. 594 00:39:36,036 --> 00:39:40,029 You can say "Not IPCC." We call it "nip-ick." 595 00:39:40,207 --> 00:39:42,937 We reached the opposite conclusion. 596 00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:47,410 I want to-- I want to stress that we didn't add any new scientific work. 597 00:39:48,982 --> 00:39:50,950 They present themselves as scientific. 598 00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:54,610 They use graphics to make them look like the scientific reports... 599 00:39:54,788 --> 00:39:56,551 ...they're trying to discredit. 600 00:39:56,723 --> 00:40:01,888 This is a report produced by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 601 00:40:02,062 --> 00:40:06,431 And here is the mirror of that produced by the Cato Institute. 602 00:40:11,772 --> 00:40:15,970 They've adopted the exact same page layout and design. 603 00:40:20,013 --> 00:40:24,916 If you're a congressman, how do you tell the difference between this and this one? 604 00:40:25,752 --> 00:40:28,585 And that's the point of this deception. 605 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,681 This is kind of an extended summary. 606 00:40:31,892 --> 00:40:33,985 -It's called a synthesis report. -Yeah. 607 00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:38,621 The actual IPCC report is about so thick. 608 00:40:38,799 --> 00:40:41,825 And how thick is your NIPCC report? 609 00:40:42,002 --> 00:40:43,902 Same. 610 00:40:44,037 --> 00:40:46,335 -It's same. -You're as thick as they are? 611 00:40:46,506 --> 00:40:49,703 We strictly use the same thickness. 612 00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:52,276 So it's 97 percent of them and one of you. 613 00:40:52,913 --> 00:40:56,212 There's hundreds of us, hundreds, thousands of us. 614 00:40:56,416 --> 00:41:00,147 Look, 31,000 scientists and engineers... 615 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,847 ...signed a statement to the contrary to what you just read. 616 00:41:04,024 --> 00:41:06,117 -The Oregon Petition? -Yes. 617 00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:10,994 The Oregon Petition claims to be signed by climate scientists... 618 00:41:11,164 --> 00:41:14,930 ...who disagree with the mainstream view of the scientific community. 619 00:41:15,068 --> 00:41:18,231 If you actually look at it, what you find is in many cases... 620 00:41:18,438 --> 00:41:20,201 ...they aren't scientists at all. 621 00:41:22,209 --> 00:41:24,734 Somebody put on there the Spice Girls. 622 00:41:26,346 --> 00:41:28,746 Somebody else put on there Michael J. Fox. 623 00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:32,377 Even Charles Darwin made the list. 624 00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:36,314 And in fact the claim was so obviously false... 625 00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:39,323 ...the National Academy took the unprecedented step... 626 00:41:39,493 --> 00:41:43,054 ...of publicly disavowing this petition. 627 00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:45,755 More than 31,000 scientists signed a petition.... 628 00:41:45,966 --> 00:41:48,332 And yet, it gets cited and it gets repeated. 629 00:41:48,502 --> 00:41:50,697 More than 31,000 scientists.... 630 00:41:50,871 --> 00:41:55,774 More than 31,000 American scientists rejecting global warming alarmism. 631 00:41:56,843 --> 00:42:00,904 They give the impression that it's a very big network with lots of scientists. 632 00:42:01,081 --> 00:42:02,742 But if you look closely... 633 00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:06,682 ...you see it's a small number of people, really just a handful. 634 00:42:07,788 --> 00:42:09,221 Hey, Fred. 635 00:42:09,389 --> 00:42:12,620 It's kind of an amazing accomplishment when you think of it... 636 00:42:12,793 --> 00:42:17,355 ...that such a small group of people have an enormous impact on public opinion. 637 00:42:17,531 --> 00:42:21,865 So that more than half the American people think that the science isn't settled. 638 00:42:28,408 --> 00:42:31,206 Reach out and touch another one. This one here? Okay. 639 00:42:31,378 --> 00:42:34,279 Jason's card. Take a look at that. Try and remember it. 640 00:42:34,447 --> 00:42:38,110 Don't tell me what it is. I just want you to tell me when you see it. 641 00:42:38,285 --> 00:42:43,382 As a magician I work hard to prevent my audience from seeing through the trick. 642 00:42:43,557 --> 00:42:46,526 A lot of people think the hand is quicker than the eye. 643 00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,723 It's not really true. It's just the eye sees a lot of things the mind never notices. 644 00:42:51,898 --> 00:42:53,422 Having trouble, I can tell. 645 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,569 What card are you looking for, maybe I can help. What? 646 00:42:56,736 --> 00:42:59,637 The four of--? Really? Was it really the four of hearts? 647 00:42:59,806 --> 00:43:03,298 -It's under my cocktail. Show it to them. -No, it's not. 648 00:43:03,476 --> 00:43:05,444 Yeah. 649 00:43:06,913 --> 00:43:08,175 Yeah. 650 00:43:08,348 --> 00:43:13,752 And now maybe if you watch it enough times with the benefit of a recording... 651 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,411 ...maybe you figure out the trick. 652 00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:20,651 I don't want you to tell me what it is, I want you to tell me when you see it. 653 00:43:20,827 --> 00:43:25,093 But if you actually see the method, once you see that, you won't un-see it. 654 00:43:25,265 --> 00:43:29,702 Then you can see me put it there time and time again. 655 00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:33,328 Once revealed, never concealed. 656 00:43:38,311 --> 00:43:41,280 It sort of comes back to that idea of a playbook, right? 657 00:43:41,448 --> 00:43:43,609 What shape is it gonna take next? 658 00:43:43,783 --> 00:43:46,274 But look at this, see? See, there's this. 659 00:43:46,453 --> 00:43:50,947 As science started catching up to the flame-retardant chemical makers... 660 00:43:51,124 --> 00:43:53,115 ...their tactics got even bolder. 661 00:43:53,293 --> 00:43:55,591 Senate Bill 1-4-7. 662 00:43:55,729 --> 00:44:00,098 In 2011, a bill was up that would have changed the rule... 663 00:44:00,233 --> 00:44:04,192 ...so companies didn't have to add pounds of flame retardants to furniture. 664 00:44:04,371 --> 00:44:06,532 Firefighters get cancer at alarming rates. 665 00:44:06,706 --> 00:44:11,166 There were firefighters arguing that the rule didn't work. 666 00:44:11,344 --> 00:44:15,838 There were breast-feeding mothers arguing they don't want it in babies' milk. 667 00:44:16,016 --> 00:44:19,918 Public health officials saying this isn't good for us. I wanted to see... 668 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:21,815 ...what does the other side say? 669 00:44:21,988 --> 00:44:24,047 Hi, I'm Dr. David Heimbach. 670 00:44:24,224 --> 00:44:26,715 The real star-witness was the burn surgeon. 671 00:44:26,893 --> 00:44:29,919 And I've actually gotten a Compassion Award... 672 00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,927 ...from the Dalai Lama last year. 673 00:44:32,132 --> 00:44:36,626 He told this sad and dramatic story. 674 00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:39,432 A 7-week-old baby was in a crib... 675 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,938 ...laying on a fire-retardant mattress... 676 00:44:43,143 --> 00:44:46,237 ...on a non-fire retardant pillow. 677 00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:49,712 Mom put a candle in the crib... 678 00:44:49,883 --> 00:44:54,343 ...candle fell over, the baby sustained a 50-percent burn. 679 00:44:54,521 --> 00:44:56,853 The entire upper half of her body was burned. 680 00:44:57,023 --> 00:45:02,188 Now, this is a tiny, little person, no bigger than my Italian greyhound at home. 681 00:45:02,362 --> 00:45:04,387 She ultimately died... 682 00:45:04,564 --> 00:45:08,364 ...after about three weeks of pain and misery in the hospital. 683 00:45:08,535 --> 00:45:11,971 I literally heard a gasp when he told the story about this baby. 684 00:45:12,172 --> 00:45:14,037 He had the room in his hand. 685 00:45:14,207 --> 00:45:15,196 -Price? -No. 686 00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:16,603 Price, no. Emerson? 687 00:45:16,776 --> 00:45:22,180 When David Heimbach finished speaking, you knew the bill would fail. 688 00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:23,950 Okay, can I tuck you in? 689 00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:25,178 Okay, can I tuck you in? 690 00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:30,278 I remember flying back to Chicago and seeing my boys sleeping in their cribs... 691 00:45:30,457 --> 00:45:33,824 ...and I'm thinking, "Why would any mother... 692 00:45:33,994 --> 00:45:37,987 ...put a candle in her baby's crib?" 693 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:43,635 I got back to the newsroom, what I talked to Sam about: 694 00:45:43,803 --> 00:45:45,794 "So, what have they argued in the past? 695 00:45:45,972 --> 00:45:49,464 When have these bills come up before? Did Dr. Heimbach show up?" 696 00:45:49,642 --> 00:45:50,768 Last month I won a... 697 00:45:52,312 --> 00:45:56,009 ...Unsung Heroes of Compassion Award from the Dalai Lama. 698 00:45:56,216 --> 00:45:58,411 Sure enough, Heimbach had testified... 699 00:45:58,585 --> 00:46:01,418 ...and he told different stories about babies... 700 00:46:01,588 --> 00:46:03,715 ...who burned to death in candle fires. 701 00:46:03,857 --> 00:46:06,417 Tell you about a child I took care of in April... 702 00:46:06,593 --> 00:46:10,222 ...about a 9-week-old baby, about the size of a teddy bear.... 703 00:46:10,363 --> 00:46:12,831 And that's when Sam and I sat down, we're like: 704 00:46:12,999 --> 00:46:15,968 "We got three babies who died in candle fires... 705 00:46:16,136 --> 00:46:19,867 ...all treated at Dr. Heimbach's hospital. We gotta find those babies." 706 00:46:23,643 --> 00:46:25,941 So I called the medical examiner's office. 707 00:46:26,112 --> 00:46:30,878 Asked them to run a computer program of 18 years of deaths of babies or toddlers... 708 00:46:31,051 --> 00:46:34,612 ...where Dr. Heimbach had his hospital and practice. 709 00:46:35,321 --> 00:46:38,154 There was not any death of any child... 710 00:46:38,324 --> 00:46:41,657 ...that matched Dr. Heimbach's description. 711 00:46:42,562 --> 00:46:45,827 I thought the best thing to do was just to call him at home. 712 00:46:47,133 --> 00:46:52,662 I said, "Those kids you talked about, did they all die in your hospital?" 713 00:46:52,839 --> 00:46:57,139 And he said, "It wasn't factual, it was anecdotal." 714 00:46:57,310 --> 00:47:01,474 And he said, "Listen, the details don't matter. The principle matters." 715 00:47:01,648 --> 00:47:04,549 I go, "What's the principle?" He says, "The principle... 716 00:47:04,717 --> 00:47:08,483 ...is flame retardants work." I said, "That's not what you testified." 717 00:47:08,855 --> 00:47:11,653 And he said, "Well, I wasn't under oath." 718 00:47:11,825 --> 00:47:15,659 Were either one of you paid for your time here in opposition to the bill? 719 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:16,989 Citizens for Fire Safety. 720 00:47:17,163 --> 00:47:18,187 Okay, thank you. 721 00:47:18,364 --> 00:47:21,856 Citizens for Fire Safety are paying for my trip here, yes. 722 00:47:22,035 --> 00:47:27,439 Records showed that they paid Dr. Heimbach $2 40,000. 723 00:47:27,607 --> 00:47:30,838 So who is Citizens for Fire Safety, right? 724 00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:34,002 What they were claiming was, they were a broad coalition. 725 00:47:34,514 --> 00:47:38,883 Their website had this picture of five smiling kids holding... 726 00:47:39,052 --> 00:47:42,180 ...a hand-drawn banner with the words "Fire Safety" on it... 727 00:47:42,355 --> 00:47:44,414 ...and there was a heart dotting the I. 728 00:47:44,591 --> 00:47:48,425 Turns out, that in California, that if you have fewer than 50 members... 729 00:47:48,595 --> 00:47:54,090 ...in your trade group, you have to disclose who your members are. 730 00:47:56,202 --> 00:48:00,036 Who were the members? The members were the three largest makers... 731 00:48:00,206 --> 00:48:03,698 ...of flame retardants in the world. All that was in that group. 732 00:48:03,877 --> 00:48:06,402 So there was no question... 733 00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:09,139 ...Citizens for Fire Safety was a front group. 734 00:48:10,483 --> 00:48:15,079 The story came out, and Citizens for Fire Safety folded. 735 00:48:15,255 --> 00:48:18,349 And the law changed. So now companies can make furniture... 736 00:48:18,491 --> 00:48:20,220 ...without flame retardants. 737 00:48:20,393 --> 00:48:24,159 But that took two years of investigating. 738 00:48:25,732 --> 00:48:30,362 Citizens for Fire Safety was pretending to be looking out for consumers... 739 00:48:30,503 --> 00:48:34,303 ...when in reality it was looking out for the interests of its funders. 740 00:48:35,642 --> 00:48:38,634 How many other groups are out there doing the same thing? 741 00:49:02,435 --> 00:49:05,427 In the 1980s, after I had testified, I decided to... 742 00:49:07,273 --> 00:49:09,935 ...bail out of the public aspect of this problem... 743 00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:13,306 ...because I was very uncomfortable in that role. 744 00:49:14,314 --> 00:49:17,408 And I thought, as the story becomes clearer... 745 00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:20,644 ...we will then take the actions that are needed. 746 00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:26,019 By the year 2000, it had become so clear that we were not doing anything. 747 00:49:29,662 --> 00:49:33,428 The science has become so clear. 748 00:49:34,334 --> 00:49:38,464 The things that we predicted are actually happening... 749 00:49:38,638 --> 00:49:42,505 ...and some of them are even happening faster than we thought. 750 00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:45,007 The ice cap has shrunk 23 percent. 751 00:49:45,178 --> 00:49:47,578 The ice is already 50 percent smaller. 752 00:49:47,747 --> 00:49:51,683 -Every state in the U.S. set a heat record. -Driest year in half a century. 753 00:49:51,851 --> 00:49:53,648 Massive Arizona wildfire.... 754 00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:57,187 This storm may be the strongest tropical cyclone on Earth... 755 00:49:57,357 --> 00:49:59,587 -...to make landfall. -A category five... 756 00:49:59,759 --> 00:50:03,855 ...and that is only because there are no categories above five. 757 00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:07,522 We know as much about how the climate works... 758 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:11,033 ...as doctors know about how your body works. 759 00:50:13,606 --> 00:50:18,873 The scientific method is, you have to continually reassess your conclusions. 760 00:50:19,045 --> 00:50:23,277 As soon as there's new data, you ask, "How does that affect my interpretation?" 761 00:50:23,483 --> 00:50:25,917 And you're open-minded. 762 00:50:26,085 --> 00:50:29,851 What we're up against is people who have a preferred answer... 763 00:50:30,023 --> 00:50:33,481 ...and so then they take the position of a lawyer. 764 00:50:33,626 --> 00:50:37,357 They're going to defend their client, and they will only present you... 765 00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:40,260 ...with the data that favors their client. 766 00:50:42,101 --> 00:50:45,195 As the scientific community coalesces around believing... 767 00:50:45,371 --> 00:50:49,603 ...climate change is underway, it's at that moment that we see the think tanks... 768 00:50:49,776 --> 00:50:54,008 ...moving into the media environment and trying to argue the opposite. 769 00:51:03,523 --> 00:51:06,788 In the missile age, it is vital to try to picture in advance... 770 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,449 ...how crises might develop. 771 00:51:09,796 --> 00:51:12,094 So the idea behind a think tank is to think. 772 00:51:12,265 --> 00:51:15,393 One early example of a think tank is the RAND Corporation... 773 00:51:15,568 --> 00:51:17,593 ...which was set up to give advice... 774 00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:21,068 ...about how to solve problems that the military faced. 775 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,074 I find it difficult to see how we could say it was an air-dropped weapon. 776 00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:28,577 What is of use is if you have an independent group who can... 777 00:51:28,748 --> 00:51:31,080 ...look at data, work through the issue of... 778 00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,844 ...what would solutions to that problem look like. 779 00:51:34,053 --> 00:51:36,851 Is there a capability of tracking them? I don't know. 780 00:51:37,423 --> 00:51:40,859 It devolves into something that's highly partisan... 781 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:44,621 ...and has made up its mind in advance what the answer is. 782 00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:54,631 So what we begin to see is think tanks taking up climate change as an issue... 783 00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:59,642 ...but not from the point of view of science but from the point of view of the politics. 784 00:52:00,847 --> 00:52:05,841 And one of the first groups to do that is the George C. Marshall Institute. 785 00:52:15,728 --> 00:52:17,855 I work on motorcycles. 786 00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,794 Either the bike starts and runs right, or it doesn't. 787 00:52:20,967 --> 00:52:24,334 And if it doesn't, there's no weaseling your way out of the fact. 788 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,698 And I like that about it. You might say the BS quotient is low. 789 00:52:31,644 --> 00:52:36,206 Unless you're working on Harleys, in which case it can actually be pretty high. 790 00:52:43,689 --> 00:52:47,818 I got myself into a PhD program at Chicago. 791 00:52:47,994 --> 00:52:51,623 So when I finished, I got a phone call from a former teacher... 792 00:52:51,764 --> 00:52:53,925 ...who informed me about this job... 793 00:52:54,133 --> 00:52:56,693 ...at the Marshall Institute. 794 00:52:57,403 --> 00:53:01,032 And, you know, the salary was huge. 795 00:53:02,442 --> 00:53:06,173 At Marshall Institute, coming into it knowing that they were sort of... 796 00:53:06,345 --> 00:53:09,337 ...on the skeptical side of the global warming stuff... 797 00:53:09,515 --> 00:53:13,383 ...you know, I was more or less down with that. 798 00:53:13,553 --> 00:53:16,852 At the same time that I started, there was a new president. 799 00:53:17,523 --> 00:53:19,889 O'Keefe was a different kind of animal. 800 00:53:20,059 --> 00:53:23,893 He had come from sort of the business world... 801 00:53:24,063 --> 00:53:26,031 ...so he had a different mentality. 802 00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,565 He liked to mention that he knew Karl Rove. 803 00:53:28,734 --> 00:53:32,932 So in other words, he's plugged-in and he's an operator. 804 00:53:33,105 --> 00:53:39,044 It's an incredibly complex subject, and it's really about politics... 805 00:53:39,212 --> 00:53:41,476 ...and political control... 806 00:53:41,681 --> 00:53:47,176 ...and control of economic means of production. 807 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,811 Climate is just a mechanism. 808 00:53:50,823 --> 00:53:52,950 I'm pleased to be part of your program... 809 00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:56,492 ...and you're in the offices of the George C. Marshall Institute. 810 00:53:57,964 --> 00:53:59,761 A small science-policy think tank. 811 00:53:59,932 --> 00:54:02,093 Is Marshall actually doing science? 812 00:54:02,268 --> 00:54:04,133 No, we're not doing science. 813 00:54:04,937 --> 00:54:09,236 What I try to do is make sure our work reaches decision makers... 814 00:54:09,408 --> 00:54:11,239 ...reaches people in the media... 815 00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:15,278 ...so that we are part of shaping the public policy debate. 816 00:54:16,983 --> 00:54:21,647 I think a lot of people who get into that think tank world start out as intellectuals... 817 00:54:21,821 --> 00:54:24,585 ...but, you know, in the mixing pot of Washington... 818 00:54:24,757 --> 00:54:27,419 ...arguments become weapons. 819 00:54:27,593 --> 00:54:31,085 Part of this was gathering arguments that were already out there... 820 00:54:31,264 --> 00:54:33,926 ...they weren't always compatible with one another. 821 00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,263 Sometimes the argument was that, "The Earth is not warming." 822 00:54:37,436 --> 00:54:41,964 We don't see a warming of the atmosphere in the last 50 years. 823 00:54:42,141 --> 00:54:46,043 At another time the argument would be, "Well, yes, the Earth is warming... 824 00:54:46,245 --> 00:54:48,941 ...but it's not due to human activities." 825 00:54:49,115 --> 00:54:52,949 The fact that glaciers are melting does not mean that the cause is human. 826 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,144 It only means that it's getting warmer. 827 00:54:55,321 --> 00:54:58,484 At another time the argument would be, "Yes, it is warming... 828 00:54:58,658 --> 00:55:03,118 ...and it's due to human activities, but the cost of doing something about it... 829 00:55:03,296 --> 00:55:05,560 ...would be ruinous for society." 830 00:55:05,765 --> 00:55:08,495 Of course there is a human influence on climate. 831 00:55:08,668 --> 00:55:10,659 We've known it for a decade or more. 832 00:55:10,836 --> 00:55:13,669 If they go ahead and regulate CO2 as a pollutant... 833 00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:17,502 ...it will basically stop economic growth in the United States. 834 00:55:17,677 --> 00:55:20,771 And this is what many of the enviros want. 835 00:55:25,317 --> 00:55:28,219 The occasion for me finally quitting... 836 00:55:28,387 --> 00:55:31,151 ...was that I got a call from somebody... 837 00:55:31,324 --> 00:55:37,388 ...who was updating a directory of lobbyists... 838 00:55:39,832 --> 00:55:43,529 ...and they wanted to know if Bill O'Keefe... 839 00:55:43,703 --> 00:55:47,400 ...was indeed the president of the George C. Marshall Institute. 840 00:55:47,573 --> 00:55:51,532 I said, "Yeah, but why are you asking? 841 00:55:51,711 --> 00:55:55,340 Why--? Is he part of this directory?" And they said, "Yes." 842 00:55:56,616 --> 00:56:02,248 I confronted O'Keefe and said, "Are you a registered lobbyist?" 843 00:56:02,421 --> 00:56:04,616 And he got extremely angry. 844 00:56:04,824 --> 00:56:09,818 I tried to get him to tell me, if he was, who his clients were. He wouldn't tell me. 845 00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:13,225 And when you went to Marshall... 846 00:56:13,399 --> 00:56:18,336 ...were you still connected in any way to the petroleum business? 847 00:56:19,538 --> 00:56:23,440 I think I had-- Yes, I had an oil company as a client. 848 00:56:23,609 --> 00:56:28,342 So were you a lobbyist when you went to work for Marshall? 849 00:56:28,481 --> 00:56:31,382 I was still registered as a lobbyist. 850 00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:35,145 That seemed utterly preposterous to me... 851 00:56:35,354 --> 00:56:37,254 ...that you would have... 852 00:56:37,423 --> 00:56:42,292 ...as the president of a think tank a guy who's a registered lobbyist. 853 00:56:42,461 --> 00:56:46,921 It's just the whole pretense of the place goes out the window at that point. 854 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,130 And so we had sort of a blowup and I quit. 855 00:56:52,371 --> 00:56:57,399 So for me, at least, there's more real thinking going on in a bike shop... 856 00:56:57,576 --> 00:57:00,010 ...than there was in the think tank. 857 00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:04,313 If you were hired by a Greenpeace organization to figure out... 858 00:57:04,483 --> 00:57:08,817 ...how to present climate as a problem, what would you--? 859 00:57:08,988 --> 00:57:12,890 -What would you suggest to them? -They couldn't afford me. 860 00:57:15,161 --> 00:57:18,494 At the same time O'Keefe is a lobbyist for ExxonMobil.... 861 00:57:19,932 --> 00:57:23,834 When I was at Greenpeace, we looked into who was funding these think tanks. 862 00:57:25,705 --> 00:57:28,003 And you started to find ExxonMobil... 863 00:57:28,174 --> 00:57:30,209 ...and the Koch brothers and the Southern Company. 864 00:57:30,209 --> 00:57:31,471 ...and the Koch brothers and the Southern Company. 865 00:57:31,644 --> 00:57:36,274 ExxonMobil has been a major funder of climate change disinformation. 866 00:57:37,616 --> 00:57:39,982 They funded over 30 different organizations... 867 00:57:40,152 --> 00:57:41,949 ...that promoted disinformation... 868 00:57:42,121 --> 00:57:44,988 ...or misleading information about climate change. 869 00:57:45,925 --> 00:57:48,018 Nobody's gonna believe ExxonMobil. 870 00:57:48,194 --> 00:57:52,563 But if they can say it through somebody else who seems independent... 871 00:57:52,732 --> 00:57:54,632 ...there's power in that for them. 872 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,031 Myron Ebell is Director of Energy and Global Warming Policy... 873 00:57:58,204 --> 00:58:00,229 ...for Competitive Enterprise Institute. 874 00:58:00,439 --> 00:58:03,499 Senior fellow and science director of Heartland Institute. 875 00:58:03,676 --> 00:58:07,578 -The idea that cooling.... -It creates a new cast of characters. 876 00:58:07,747 --> 00:58:11,843 These people who become well-known for casting doubt on global warming. 877 00:58:12,017 --> 00:58:15,578 -Dr. Marlo Lewis, a senior fellow.... -What these institutes do... 878 00:58:15,755 --> 00:58:19,486 ...is they promote their own "experts" as contrary experts... 879 00:58:19,658 --> 00:58:23,560 ...who give you the "other side" of the issue, and journalists fall for it. 880 00:58:23,729 --> 00:58:27,597 -Fall for it lock, stock, and barrel. -Let's talk to a couple of experts. 881 00:58:27,767 --> 00:58:30,167 -Joining us.... -Scientists will be invited... 882 00:58:30,336 --> 00:58:33,396 ...to explain the science and then against the scientist... 883 00:58:33,572 --> 00:58:37,372 ...they will have a so-called expert from a think tank. 884 00:58:37,543 --> 00:58:40,512 And so the public is presented with dueling experts. 885 00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:44,410 Steven Zebiak is General Director of International Research Institute... 886 00:58:44,583 --> 00:58:46,608 ...and Climate and Society at Columbia. 887 00:58:46,786 --> 00:58:49,982 James Taylor is a senior fellow at the Heartland Institute. 888 00:58:50,122 --> 00:58:52,784 If you actually ask what are their credentials... 889 00:58:52,992 --> 00:58:55,586 ...the answer's often very little, sometimes none. 890 00:58:55,761 --> 00:59:00,789 In college, I majored in government. I also took atmospheric science courses. 891 00:59:03,135 --> 00:59:05,933 That makes me well-positioned to bring together... 892 00:59:06,105 --> 00:59:11,008 ...all the aspects of this debate because it's scientific, it's economic, it's political. 893 00:59:13,412 --> 00:59:18,509 There are think tanks that do nothing but crank out op-ed pieces every day. 894 00:59:19,051 --> 00:59:22,885 If you start tracking them, you'll see it's the same handful of people... 895 00:59:23,055 --> 00:59:26,024 ...that just keep pumping out this material. 896 00:59:26,792 --> 00:59:30,819 Some of these so-called experts, they become go-to people. 897 00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:34,591 A handful of them turn out to be very, very good at it. 898 00:59:37,403 --> 00:59:40,930 The global warming alarm spread by Al Gore and the United Nations... 899 00:59:41,106 --> 00:59:43,097 ...is in utter scientific collapse. 900 00:59:43,275 --> 00:59:46,438 We've gone 18 years without global warming according to data. 901 00:59:46,612 --> 00:59:50,605 Akin to medieval witchcraft where we blame witches for controlling weather. 902 00:59:50,916 --> 00:59:54,750 You were described as the godfather of climate change denying. 903 00:59:54,919 --> 00:59:58,048 -The mastermind of the whole-- Yes. -Yeah. Yeah. 904 00:59:58,190 --> 01:00:01,091 What do you call yourself? Are you...? 905 01:00:03,596 --> 01:00:05,826 What do I call myself? 906 01:00:08,167 --> 01:00:11,193 I guess I'm an environmental journalist on some level. 907 01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:15,067 After the Greens out there finish puking after hearing me say that... 908 01:00:15,207 --> 01:00:17,573 ...I will say, that's how I started. 909 01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:19,701 And will, to the best of my ability-- 910 01:00:21,113 --> 01:00:24,105 I was a volunteer for Ronald Reagan in 1980, at age 12. 911 01:00:24,283 --> 01:00:25,682 When you were growing up... 912 01:00:25,851 --> 01:00:28,786 -...you were a door-to-door salesman? -Yeah. 913 01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:33,615 I learned so much from door-to-door sales. 914 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:36,283 I did gutter cleaning. 915 01:00:36,462 --> 01:00:39,329 You learn then what communication tactics worked... 916 01:00:39,498 --> 01:00:41,295 ...and what didn't. 917 01:00:41,467 --> 01:00:44,595 How did you meet Rush Limbaugh? 918 01:00:44,737 --> 01:00:47,968 Rush Limbaugh I met in 1991. 919 01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:49,402 Our man in Washington... 920 01:00:49,608 --> 01:00:53,009 ...an ever more and more popular part of this show. 921 01:00:53,178 --> 01:00:54,839 There he is sneaking in. 922 01:00:55,014 --> 01:00:58,541 I used to hang out at the men's room at these events... 923 01:00:58,717 --> 01:01:02,118 ...so I'd guarantee I'd get just about every big name. 924 01:01:02,254 --> 01:01:04,745 As the night went on, they'd be drinking more... 925 01:01:04,924 --> 01:01:07,358 ...so you'd always get much better interviews. 926 01:01:07,526 --> 01:01:08,891 Women should deny sex... 927 01:01:10,262 --> 01:01:12,890 ...until we clean up this planet. Not all women. 928 01:01:13,065 --> 01:01:16,034 You decided to go to work for Senator James Inhofe. 929 01:01:16,201 --> 01:01:19,432 -Wow, you're jumping. Okay. -Your energy-- 930 01:01:19,638 --> 01:01:23,506 I thought this was Marc Morano, my life. No. Oh, okay. 931 01:01:25,244 --> 01:01:29,943 -Catastrophic global warming is a hoax. -I got a call from Inhofe's office... 932 01:01:30,149 --> 01:01:33,744 ...to be the new communications director. It was the lowest point... 933 01:01:33,919 --> 01:01:38,253 ...when I started, in June 2008, for global warming skeptics. 934 01:01:47,967 --> 01:01:51,232 If you look at the 10 hottest years ever measured... 935 01:01:51,403 --> 01:01:53,963 ...they've all occurred in the last 14 years... 936 01:01:54,173 --> 01:01:57,108 ...and the hottest of all was 2005. 937 01:01:58,777 --> 01:02:01,075 Al Gore's film-- I'd just watched the movie. 938 01:02:01,246 --> 01:02:04,181 I watched it the week before I started the job. 939 01:02:05,784 --> 01:02:09,311 It was poised to win awards. Later, he won the Nobel Prize for it. 940 01:02:09,488 --> 01:02:12,116 So we decided for Inhofe to go on the offensive. 941 01:02:12,291 --> 01:02:14,691 NASA scientist and alarmist James Hansen-- 942 01:02:14,827 --> 01:02:18,786 He's NASA's vocal man-made- global-warming-fear soothsayer-- 943 01:02:18,964 --> 01:02:21,797 He'd say almost anything you asked him to say. 944 01:02:21,967 --> 01:02:25,630 On some levels, it was not so much directly talking about science... 945 01:02:25,804 --> 01:02:28,705 ...but it was going after the scientists themselves? 946 01:02:28,841 --> 01:02:31,900 I mean, that was a change that you brought to Inhofe. 947 01:02:32,077 --> 01:02:34,238 Yes, in fact we went after... 948 01:02:34,413 --> 01:02:37,007 ...James Hansen and Michael Oppenheimer... 949 01:02:37,216 --> 01:02:39,150 ...and had a lot of fun with it. 950 01:02:40,586 --> 01:02:42,520 We mocked and ridiculed Hansen. 951 01:02:42,721 --> 01:02:45,349 I couldn't believe they let me do this. 952 01:02:48,494 --> 01:02:51,827 I did a two-part, 10,000-word, scathing critique on Hansen. 953 01:02:53,499 --> 01:02:58,129 I'm not gonna question his scientific work, but in terms of his influencing the public. 954 01:02:58,303 --> 01:03:01,739 And actually his scientific work isn't really in question... 955 01:03:01,874 --> 01:03:05,173 ...it's more of his public claims and publicity and interviews. 956 01:03:05,344 --> 01:03:09,542 I still felt restrained, so I started doing what I call... 957 01:03:09,748 --> 01:03:11,648 ... "the underground newsletters"... 958 01:03:11,817 --> 01:03:15,048 ...which went much further than anything else, had more fun... 959 01:03:15,254 --> 01:03:17,984 ...more humor, wit, sarcasm, and sometimes nastiness. 960 01:03:18,157 --> 01:03:20,887 That went out and became the basis for Climate Depot. 961 01:03:24,495 --> 01:03:26,828 This is the new media's new world. 962 01:03:26,999 --> 01:03:30,958 This is an office where you rent it as you need it, but we all know... 963 01:03:31,136 --> 01:03:34,537 ...most of the work happens on the road or in your home office. 964 01:03:34,706 --> 01:03:38,198 They find no evidence of a human fingerprint in that drought. 965 01:03:39,278 --> 01:03:42,270 A lot of it's done in a taxicab heading to, you know... 966 01:03:42,414 --> 01:03:46,043 ...Fox News or CNN studio, or even on the runway in an airplane. 967 01:03:46,218 --> 01:03:48,982 James Hansen, I call him NASA's resident ex-con... 968 01:03:49,154 --> 01:03:53,090 ...is inspiring these people to potential acts of eco-terrorism. 969 01:03:55,027 --> 01:03:57,359 Communication is about sales. Keep it simple. 970 01:03:57,529 --> 01:04:01,158 People will fill in the blank with their own, I hate to say biases... 971 01:04:01,332 --> 01:04:03,164 ...but with their own perspective. 972 01:04:03,335 --> 01:04:06,736 A global environmental organization that'll police the world. 973 01:04:08,073 --> 01:04:10,871 Think of the-- Our own EPA, that speaks French. 974 01:04:11,043 --> 01:04:14,376 I'm not a scientist, although I do play one on TV occasionally. 975 01:04:14,546 --> 01:04:16,537 Okay, hell, more than occasionally. 976 01:04:16,715 --> 01:04:19,684 Joining me, Bill Nye the Science Guy and Marc Morano. 977 01:04:19,852 --> 01:04:23,344 You go up against a scientist, most of them... 978 01:04:23,522 --> 01:04:27,686 ...are gonna be in their own little, policy-wonk world or area of expertise. 979 01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:32,923 So you look in the ice and you find bubbles of trapped gas-- 980 01:04:33,098 --> 01:04:36,829 Very arcane, very hard to understand, hard to explain... 981 01:04:36,969 --> 01:04:39,130 ...and very boring. 982 01:04:39,338 --> 01:04:42,068 Bottom line, new study in Nature, peer-reviewed... 983 01:04:42,241 --> 01:04:44,835 ...no change in U.S. drought in the last 80 years. 984 01:04:44,977 --> 01:04:46,945 Bottom line, a new study out shows-- 985 01:04:47,112 --> 01:04:50,878 You can't be afraid of the absolute hand-to-hand combat, metaphorically. 986 01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:53,950 You've gotta name names, you gotta go after individuals. 987 01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,953 You can't just go after a system. I think that's what I enjoy the most... 988 01:04:58,123 --> 01:05:01,752 ...is going after the individuals, where something lives or dies. 989 01:05:04,963 --> 01:05:09,366 As a scientist, you're trained to defend the science that you do. 990 01:05:09,501 --> 01:05:11,731 What you don't expect is to have people... 991 01:05:11,903 --> 01:05:14,771 ...threaten you with all kinds of dire consequences... 992 01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:18,967 ...for continuing to do the research that you do. 993 01:05:20,179 --> 01:05:26,118 I was contacted by the IPCC to act as convening lead author... 994 01:05:26,285 --> 01:05:31,689 ...for one chapter of the second assessment report. 995 01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:36,190 That final sentence, "The balance of evidence suggests... 996 01:05:36,395 --> 01:05:39,193 ...a discernible human influence on global climate"... 997 01:05:39,398 --> 01:05:43,129 ...was finalized at the end of November, 1995. 998 01:05:43,302 --> 01:05:48,330 I had no idea that my life would be so dramatically changed... 999 01:05:48,507 --> 01:05:49,906 ...by that one sentence. 1000 01:05:50,676 --> 01:05:53,406 These are a few e-mails... 1001 01:05:53,545 --> 01:05:57,037 ...from a large number of e-mails that I received. 1002 01:05:57,216 --> 01:06:01,710 "Yeah, you-- You arrogant, fucking piece-of-crap con man. 1003 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,480 I hope you are hung by your pathetic, little neck. 1004 01:06:04,656 --> 01:06:07,784 I'd love nothing more than to beat you with a large stick... 1005 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,656 ...you shit-eating Yank. Go die." 1006 01:06:10,829 --> 01:06:15,664 It's possible I posted Santer's e-mail in the early days of Climate Depot. 1007 01:06:15,834 --> 01:06:18,324 He's far from the only one I've done that to. 1008 01:06:18,503 --> 01:06:22,462 "You're an effing terrorist, you and your colleagues... 1009 01:06:22,641 --> 01:06:25,974 ...ought to be fed to the pigs, along with your whole families." 1010 01:06:27,346 --> 01:06:31,510 "How come no one has beat the living piss out of you yet? 1011 01:06:31,683 --> 01:06:36,143 I was hoping I would see the news and you committed suicide." 1012 01:06:36,321 --> 01:06:39,882 "You stupid bitch. I would like to see you convicted and beheaded. 1013 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,560 If you have a child, then women in the future will be even more leery... 1014 01:06:45,731 --> 01:06:49,963 ...of lying to get ahead when they see your baby crying next to the guillotine." 1015 01:06:50,102 --> 01:06:53,162 Sometimes it's one a week. When your e-mail address... 1016 01:06:53,337 --> 01:06:58,605 ...gets posted online at Morano's website, it's 200 or more in a day. 1017 01:06:58,777 --> 01:07:02,975 Well, I think the most disturbing e-mails and letters were ones that... 1018 01:07:03,115 --> 01:07:05,174 ...suggest there will be harm to you... 1019 01:07:05,350 --> 01:07:07,784 ...direct physical harm to you and your family. 1020 01:07:07,986 --> 01:07:10,011 I don't know what his complaint is-- 1021 01:07:10,188 --> 01:07:14,022 -I'll give you the philosophy behind it. -Yeah, that's more important. 1022 01:07:14,192 --> 01:07:16,626 Is he ready? This is one of my favorite topics. 1023 01:07:16,795 --> 01:07:21,289 In fact, I got on ABC Nightly News just because I posted e-mails. 1024 01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:22,797 I did a whole segment. 1025 01:07:23,001 --> 01:07:25,799 The public is appropriately angry at these scientists. 1026 01:07:26,004 --> 01:07:29,804 No one's advocating violence, but it is refreshing to see... 1027 01:07:30,008 --> 01:07:32,499 ...these scientists hear from the public. 1028 01:07:32,644 --> 01:07:36,273 I think people should be thanking me. I was doing a service. 1029 01:07:36,448 --> 01:07:40,282 People go, "Oh, your death threats." I get death threats. I enjoy them. 1030 01:07:40,452 --> 01:07:43,819 It was one of the healthiest things that could have happened... 1031 01:07:44,022 --> 01:07:45,319 ...in the climate debate. 1032 01:07:45,524 --> 01:07:48,794 I make no apologies. I still do it. I enjoy doing it. 1033 01:07:52,264 --> 01:07:55,722 Every time we see the world beginning to act on the science... 1034 01:07:55,901 --> 01:07:58,802 ...we see some kind of attack designed to undermine it. 1035 01:08:00,238 --> 01:08:04,834 1995, the IPCC comes out with its second assessment report that says... 1036 01:08:05,043 --> 01:08:07,477 ...yes, there's climate change. What do we get? 1037 01:08:07,646 --> 01:08:12,083 Massive attack on Ben Santer, who's the lead author of the key chapter. 1038 01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:15,913 In the second case, before the run-up to the Kyoto negotiations... 1039 01:08:16,088 --> 01:08:19,148 ...when it looked like the world was going to agree... 1040 01:08:19,324 --> 01:08:20,916 ...we had the Oregon Petition. 1041 01:08:22,461 --> 01:08:24,793 It's a completely discredited document... 1042 01:08:24,963 --> 01:08:27,932 ...nevertheless, it did a lot of damage. 1043 01:08:29,067 --> 01:08:32,434 Third time, Copenhagen. Finally, we're gonna get an agreement. 1044 01:08:32,604 --> 01:08:35,300 The U.S. is on board. Obama has gone to Copenhagen. 1045 01:08:35,474 --> 01:08:37,442 What do we get? Climategate. 1046 01:08:37,609 --> 01:08:40,373 A new scandal that's burning up the Net these days... 1047 01:08:40,579 --> 01:08:43,776 ...that began with e-mails that were stolen-- 1048 01:08:43,949 --> 01:08:47,214 Suddenly, we see this release of stolen e-mails. 1049 01:08:47,386 --> 01:08:50,219 Lines taken out of context to make it seem as if... 1050 01:08:50,389 --> 01:08:53,381 ...scientists were involved in nefarious activities. 1051 01:08:53,592 --> 01:08:56,527 People started saying, "What's going on in Copenhagen?" 1052 01:08:56,695 --> 01:08:59,687 This is the upper echelon of the U.N. It's been exposed... 1053 01:08:59,865 --> 01:09:03,494 ...as the best science that politics and activists can manufacture. 1054 01:09:03,668 --> 01:09:07,001 My initial reaction with the Climategate, I thought, "Okay... 1055 01:09:07,172 --> 01:09:10,164 ...gosh, I hope I didn't flip at the wrong point there. 1056 01:09:10,342 --> 01:09:12,207 Maybe this is all baloney." 1057 01:09:12,377 --> 01:09:15,676 When you actually read the e-mails in context, you go, "Okay... 1058 01:09:15,847 --> 01:09:19,647 ...he's not actually saying what Rush Limbaugh said he was saying." 1059 01:09:19,818 --> 01:09:23,413 There's been three investigations into Climategate, where they had... 1060 01:09:23,622 --> 01:09:27,217 ...independent committees go through every e-mail. There was nothing. 1061 01:09:27,392 --> 01:09:30,361 They were trying to find yet new ways to weaken... 1062 01:09:30,529 --> 01:09:33,327 ...this growing international accord. 1063 01:09:33,498 --> 01:09:36,831 All they have to do is slow down action. 1064 01:09:37,903 --> 01:09:41,066 Gridlock is the greatest friend a global warming skeptic has. 1065 01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:44,936 That's all you really want. There's no legislation we're championing. 1066 01:09:45,143 --> 01:09:47,907 We're the negative force, just trying to stop stuff. 1067 01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,843 It's all about distraction, it's all about confusion. 1068 01:09:51,016 --> 01:09:54,543 It's about preventing you from looking where the action really is... 1069 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,209 ...which is in the science. 1070 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,666 Misdirection is the use of the little lie to sell the big lie. 1071 01:10:12,804 --> 01:10:17,070 The big lie and the floating lady, the classic levitation illusion... 1072 01:10:17,242 --> 01:10:21,303 ...is the mechanism that's used to make the woman rise. 1073 01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:25,280 The little lie is the passing of the hoop. 1074 01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:27,384 The floating raises your skepticism. 1075 01:10:27,552 --> 01:10:29,918 There must be a wire. There must be threads. 1076 01:10:30,088 --> 01:10:31,578 There must be something. 1077 01:10:31,756 --> 01:10:38,127 And then the hoop is used to specifically undo that. Cancel that. 1078 01:10:38,296 --> 01:10:41,390 So, really, misdirection is about focus. 1079 01:10:41,566 --> 01:10:44,592 It's not so much about directing away or misdirecting... 1080 01:10:44,769 --> 01:10:46,100 ...it's about direction. 1081 01:10:46,271 --> 01:10:50,332 It's about bringing your attention to something that engages you. 1082 01:10:50,509 --> 01:10:54,312 And then, you don't see anything else in the frame. 1083 01:11:07,292 --> 01:11:11,786 The tobacco companies knew they have to appeal to something more... 1084 01:11:11,963 --> 01:11:14,659 ...basic than this intellectual pursuit of science. 1085 01:11:14,833 --> 01:11:16,858 How do you do it? Do it with freedom. 1086 01:11:17,035 --> 01:11:19,970 That's the way freedom dies. Today it's smoking. 1087 01:11:20,138 --> 01:11:22,265 But what will they try to regulate next? 1088 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:26,137 What will they try to regulate next? What we can say? What we can read? 1089 01:11:26,311 --> 01:11:29,974 I don't want Big Brother breathing down my neck telling me what to do. 1090 01:11:30,148 --> 01:11:32,309 Not just for smokers but for nonsmokers... 1091 01:11:32,484 --> 01:11:35,248 ...and all others who want to live their lives... 1092 01:11:35,387 --> 01:11:38,788 ...making their own decisions, not having them made for them... 1093 01:11:38,957 --> 01:11:42,620 ...by the benevolent bureaucracy of Washington wisdom or these other-- 1094 01:11:42,794 --> 01:11:45,558 By turning it into an abstract issue of freedom... 1095 01:11:45,764 --> 01:11:48,631 ...and moving it away from their corporate interests... 1096 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,066 ...they can get people behind it. Who can possibly be against freedom? 1097 01:11:53,271 --> 01:11:55,762 What happened was, these other companies... 1098 01:11:55,907 --> 01:12:00,003 ...and other industries realized, like: "Hey, this is a pretty good idea." 1099 01:12:05,383 --> 01:12:09,547 Everywhere you turn, somebody is telling us what we can't eat. 1100 01:12:09,721 --> 01:12:13,885 Do you ever feel like you're always being told what not to do? 1101 01:12:14,059 --> 01:12:16,220 These people tell us where to work... 1102 01:12:16,394 --> 01:12:19,227 ...how many children to have, how much energy to use... 1103 01:12:19,397 --> 01:12:21,024 ...how much water we can-- 1104 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,032 On global warming, you see the same thing happening. 1105 01:12:24,202 --> 01:12:29,435 For literally decades, David Koch has been just a tireless defender... 1106 01:12:29,608 --> 01:12:32,042 ...of our economic and individual freedoms. 1107 01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:34,371 I'd like to introduce to you David Koch... 1108 01:12:34,546 --> 01:12:37,174 ...our chairman at the Americans for Prosperity. 1109 01:12:42,053 --> 01:12:47,889 Koch Industries is heavily invested in coal, oil, tar sands. 1110 01:12:48,059 --> 01:12:51,051 They are some of the biggest polluters in the country... 1111 01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:53,129 ...received the largest fines. 1112 01:12:54,833 --> 01:12:58,360 They needed an army of people to fight against regulation... 1113 01:12:58,536 --> 01:13:01,334 ...in the name of freedom. 1114 01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:05,972 Good afternoon, fellow freedom fighters! 1115 01:13:06,411 --> 01:13:10,472 The group, Americans for Prosperity, is holding a nationwide... 1116 01:13:10,649 --> 01:13:12,412 ...hot-air balloon tour. 1117 01:13:12,584 --> 01:13:15,644 They're spreading a message of global warming alarmism... 1118 01:13:15,854 --> 01:13:18,755 ...lost jobs, higher taxes, and less freedom. 1119 01:13:18,923 --> 01:13:22,222 Over eight years ago, we launched Americans for Prosperity... 1120 01:13:24,562 --> 01:13:28,555 ...and the goal behind it was to provide grassroots support... 1121 01:13:28,733 --> 01:13:31,065 ...at the local and state level... 1122 01:13:31,236 --> 01:13:33,932 ...to push free-market policies. 1123 01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:39,107 And we have just over two million people who've taken action. 1124 01:13:39,878 --> 01:13:41,971 We now have an army too. 1125 01:13:43,415 --> 01:13:47,283 Do you try to figure out if the science is real or not? 1126 01:13:47,452 --> 01:13:51,013 -Or you don't even think of that? -No. We're on the economic side. 1127 01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:52,178 Howdy. 1128 01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:56,326 We study what they'll do to American people in the name of global warming. 1129 01:13:56,494 --> 01:13:59,463 They won't drill for oil. Guys, let's get moving here. 1130 01:13:59,631 --> 01:14:03,533 Come on, it's not a really hard-- Not a really hard decision. Let's-- 1131 01:14:03,702 --> 01:14:06,694 For a long time it was just, hey, An Inconvenient Truth... 1132 01:14:06,905 --> 01:14:10,966 ...and all these polar bears that seemed to be drowning and horrible things... 1133 01:14:11,142 --> 01:14:14,134 ...that seemed to be happening. A lot of Americans said: 1134 01:14:14,312 --> 01:14:16,337 "Gosh. That seems like a bad thing." 1135 01:14:16,514 --> 01:14:19,711 But then, through the education efforts of a lot of groups... 1136 01:14:19,917 --> 01:14:22,284 ...like Americans for Prosperity and others... 1137 01:14:22,454 --> 01:14:25,821 ...Americans began going, "Wait, I'll pay more for everything. 1138 01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:27,958 It means a little bit less freedom." 1139 01:14:28,126 --> 01:14:30,686 I think the American public has moved our way. 1140 01:14:30,862 --> 01:14:32,989 The polls confirm that. 1141 01:14:33,164 --> 01:14:35,530 We want to make sure that both parties know... 1142 01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:38,870 ...we'll hold them accountable. Republicans, too, absolutely. 1143 01:14:43,341 --> 01:14:46,333 Should I think of you as a liberal, a conservative, or...? 1144 01:14:46,511 --> 01:14:49,071 Pretty conservative is how you should think of me. 1145 01:14:50,582 --> 01:14:53,176 Ninety-three American Conservative Union Rating... 1146 01:14:53,351 --> 01:14:56,445 ...100 percent Christian Coalition, National Right to Life. 1147 01:14:56,588 --> 01:15:01,355 With your help, we can reclaim the Congress. 1148 01:15:01,526 --> 01:15:04,256 I represented the 4th District of South Carolina... 1149 01:15:04,462 --> 01:15:09,058 ...which is probably the reddest district in the reddest state in the nation. 1150 01:15:10,034 --> 01:15:12,867 When I was first in Congress, I was a complete denier. 1151 01:15:13,037 --> 01:15:16,598 I said, "That's hooey, absolute nonsense. Al Gore's imagination." 1152 01:15:16,775 --> 01:15:21,474 I just that knew if it was coming from the other team, it had to be wrong. 1153 01:15:24,549 --> 01:15:26,483 I got on the science committee... 1154 01:15:26,618 --> 01:15:31,681 ...and had the opportunity to go to Antarctica twice, actually. 1155 01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:35,022 I saw the evidence in the ice core. 1156 01:15:35,193 --> 01:15:38,094 You can pull it up and examine the CO2 levels. 1157 01:15:38,263 --> 01:15:39,924 They were really stable. 1158 01:15:40,098 --> 01:15:43,761 And then coinciding with the industrial revolution, there's an uptick. 1159 01:15:43,935 --> 01:15:48,929 The chemistry is real clear, that you're changing the chemistry of the air. 1160 01:15:49,107 --> 01:15:51,507 So I decided, really right then and there... 1161 01:15:51,643 --> 01:15:54,237 ...I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna do something. 1162 01:15:56,047 --> 01:15:58,572 Madam Speaker, what I'd like to say tonight... 1163 01:15:58,750 --> 01:16:01,776 ...is that there is a need to act-- 1164 01:16:01,953 --> 01:16:04,649 And to come together to find a solution... 1165 01:16:04,823 --> 01:16:08,759 ...that breaks our addiction to oil, that creates new energy jobs... 1166 01:16:08,927 --> 01:16:10,519 ...and that cleans up the air. 1167 01:16:10,662 --> 01:16:12,653 That was to my great peril... 1168 01:16:12,831 --> 01:16:16,130 ...with the Tea Party coming and the Great Recession happening. 1169 01:16:20,939 --> 01:16:24,033 Tim Phillips is helping to organize some protest parties. 1170 01:16:24,175 --> 01:16:26,803 It's a genuine grassroots uprising. 1171 01:16:26,978 --> 01:16:30,345 Groups like Americans For Prosperity, we're organizing. 1172 01:16:32,617 --> 01:16:36,451 There's a tide of doubt that comes out of the Great Recession... 1173 01:16:36,621 --> 01:16:39,613 ...where we started to doubt every institution, you know. 1174 01:16:40,124 --> 01:16:42,752 Along comes some people that see the opportunity. 1175 01:16:42,927 --> 01:16:45,623 Coming up next is a global warming tax. 1176 01:16:45,797 --> 01:16:48,288 It's a pretty cold night in April here, right? 1177 01:16:49,434 --> 01:16:52,267 Americans For Prosperity has been amazingly effective. 1178 01:16:52,437 --> 01:16:57,374 They're able to organize that discontent. 1179 01:16:57,575 --> 01:16:59,975 In the name of Al Gore-ism. 1180 01:17:00,144 --> 01:17:04,171 And by the way, can we just talk about Al Gore for a moment? 1181 01:17:06,384 --> 01:17:10,514 If you see Republicans becoming sympathetic... 1182 01:17:10,688 --> 01:17:16,217 ...to carbon tax, do you view it as your job to knock those guys out? 1183 01:17:16,394 --> 01:17:18,589 Well, we hold both parties accountable. 1184 01:17:18,730 --> 01:17:21,392 We don't always see eye to eye, do we, Newt? 1185 01:17:21,599 --> 01:17:26,468 No, but we do agree our country must take action to address climate change. 1186 01:17:26,638 --> 01:17:30,870 The facts of global warming demand our urgent attention. 1187 01:17:31,042 --> 01:17:32,737 We have had climate change. 1188 01:17:32,911 --> 01:17:35,402 Clearly, humans have something to do with it. 1189 01:17:35,613 --> 01:17:38,411 I remember in the mid-2000s, so many Republicans... 1190 01:17:38,616 --> 01:17:43,144 ...they had a lot of the same tenets of faith that Democrats still many have today. 1191 01:17:43,321 --> 01:17:46,119 Well, I think the risks of climate change are real. 1192 01:17:46,257 --> 01:17:48,657 I think human activity is contributing to it. 1193 01:17:48,826 --> 01:17:51,624 Those days are over. Few Republicans play that game. 1194 01:17:51,763 --> 01:17:53,355 A lot of Democrats bailed too. 1195 01:17:53,531 --> 01:17:56,159 You have Newt Gingrich at the beginning of '08... 1196 01:17:56,334 --> 01:17:58,632 ...on the couch with Nancy Pelosi. 1197 01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,830 And by the end of 2008.... 1198 01:18:02,006 --> 01:18:04,531 Do you believe in man-made global warming? 1199 01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:06,199 I don't think we know. 1200 01:18:07,912 --> 01:18:13,873 My view is that we don't know what's causing climate change on this planet. 1201 01:18:14,052 --> 01:18:19,684 George, the idea that carbon dioxide is harmful to our environment... 1202 01:18:19,857 --> 01:18:21,757 ...is almost comical. 1203 01:18:21,926 --> 01:18:24,724 We've run TV ads in Republican states... 1204 01:18:24,896 --> 01:18:27,421 ...with Republican senators, like South Carolina. 1205 01:18:29,033 --> 01:18:30,694 Sit down! 1206 01:18:43,081 --> 01:18:45,709 What happened in your election? 1207 01:18:46,417 --> 01:18:47,941 Well, it wasn't even close. 1208 01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:51,782 Bob Inglis ran into a buzz saw of voter frustration with incumbents. 1209 01:18:51,956 --> 01:18:54,424 Inglis lost every county in the district. 1210 01:18:54,592 --> 01:18:57,959 He is a seasoned congressman going down to a huge defeat tonight. 1211 01:19:10,942 --> 01:19:15,140 Are we--? Is there not cell phone reception? Where are we? 1212 01:19:16,981 --> 01:19:18,744 Can you hear me now? 1213 01:19:19,717 --> 01:19:24,416 Did Price brief you on the climate views of this radio show? 1214 01:19:24,589 --> 01:19:25,613 No. 1215 01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:28,224 All right, well, we better find that out, huh? 1216 01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:31,021 We can turn on the radio, see what he's saying. 1217 01:19:45,343 --> 01:19:51,873 We're after-- The target audience is red-state Republicans. 1218 01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:55,781 And so I think we found some... 1219 01:19:55,953 --> 01:19:58,615 -...in Mississippi. -From SuperTalk Mississippi.... 1220 01:19:58,790 --> 01:20:01,850 Eight-o-two. We go on at 8:08. 1221 01:20:02,026 --> 01:20:06,895 Paul Gallo, a shining example of the Fairness Doctrine as it should be. 1222 01:20:07,065 --> 01:20:10,466 You think polar bears are in trouble? No, they're not in trouble. 1223 01:20:10,635 --> 01:20:13,866 In some cases, we've got more polar bears than we've ever had. 1224 01:20:14,038 --> 01:20:17,633 We got polar-bear problems out there in some cases. 1225 01:20:24,382 --> 01:20:28,216 Former South Carolina GOP Representative Bob Inglis... 1226 01:20:28,386 --> 01:20:30,718 ...is urging conservatives to stop denying... 1227 01:20:30,888 --> 01:20:33,482 ...humans are contributing to global warming. 1228 01:20:33,658 --> 01:20:36,183 I don't understand. How do you come up with this? 1229 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,421 Because to me, every fiber in my body is saying you're a conservative. 1230 01:20:40,598 --> 01:20:42,896 You can't believe this, that conservatives-- 1231 01:20:43,067 --> 01:20:48,164 You're asking me, as a dyed-in-the-wool native-born Mississippian... 1232 01:20:48,339 --> 01:20:52,105 ...will die here and blessed to do so... 1233 01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:55,871 ...to believe that humans are responsible for global warming... 1234 01:20:56,047 --> 01:20:57,742 ...and we must admit that. 1235 01:20:57,915 --> 01:20:59,109 Mic's yours, sir. 1236 01:20:59,317 --> 01:21:02,616 The challenge here is it's a conversation started by liberals. 1237 01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:06,187 What we're used to, as conservatives, is they gin up hysteria... 1238 01:21:06,357 --> 01:21:09,622 ...and then they drive through regulations and tax increases... 1239 01:21:09,827 --> 01:21:11,021 ...and grow government. 1240 01:21:11,195 --> 01:21:17,191 And so it's natural that we respond with, "No, we don't wanna do that." 1241 01:21:17,902 --> 01:21:20,962 But what if we had a different conversation? 1242 01:21:21,139 --> 01:21:22,469 It's all about economics. 1243 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,973 You're taxing something you want more of, which is income... 1244 01:21:26,144 --> 01:21:31,104 ...and you're not taxing something you maybe want less of, which is CO2. 1245 01:21:31,282 --> 01:21:34,615 Why do we need to be talking about the global-warming tax again? 1246 01:21:34,784 --> 01:21:38,915 Because if you believe in taking care of this part of Eden that's left... 1247 01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:42,582 -...and if you believe in creation care-- -Now you're confusing me. 1248 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,560 Now you're saying you do believe that we are, as humans... 1249 01:21:46,731 --> 01:21:48,164 ...creating global warming. 1250 01:21:48,366 --> 01:21:51,858 -We are part-and-parcel responsible. -Yes. 1251 01:21:52,003 --> 01:21:55,234 I don't believe that humans are creating this, because-- 1252 01:21:55,406 --> 01:22:02,107 And neither do, apparently, a vast majority of climatologists out there. 1253 01:22:02,647 --> 01:22:04,308 -I was tracking-- -That humans-- 1254 01:22:04,482 --> 01:22:08,509 I was tracking with you until that last part. You're wrong on that last part. 1255 01:22:08,686 --> 01:22:10,881 Good luck to you. It was good meeting you. 1256 01:22:11,022 --> 01:22:12,990 -Good to talk with you. -Lots to do... 1257 01:22:13,157 --> 01:22:16,024 ...in the final two segments coming up next. 1258 01:22:16,194 --> 01:22:19,186 Okay, lots to do in the final two segments.... 1259 01:22:19,397 --> 01:22:21,490 -We'll put you down as undecided. -Sorry? 1260 01:22:21,666 --> 01:22:24,794 -We'll put you down as undecided. -I don't think so. 1261 01:22:27,004 --> 01:22:29,632 Okay, Perez, we are ready to roll. 1262 01:22:29,807 --> 01:22:33,106 And as for climate change, we're in the middle of it right now. 1263 01:22:33,277 --> 01:22:35,108 It's called winter into spring. 1264 01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:38,305 For him to say that we need to change the conversation... 1265 01:22:38,482 --> 01:22:41,918 ...is to cave in to these liberals and their way of thinking. 1266 01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:43,850 When they're wrong, they're wrong. 1267 01:22:44,021 --> 01:22:46,285 I can't take this. Can we get out of here? 1268 01:22:46,457 --> 01:22:50,223 It's so easy to fall back into the: "The weather always changes." 1269 01:22:50,428 --> 01:22:52,419 Yeah. 1270 01:22:52,563 --> 01:22:55,555 It's a battleship, Bob. It takes a while to turn around. 1271 01:22:55,733 --> 01:22:57,291 That's right. 1272 01:23:03,441 --> 01:23:09,141 I mean, it's not just a head thing. This is very much a heart issue. 1273 01:23:10,448 --> 01:23:13,246 It's not the science that's affecting us. 1274 01:23:13,451 --> 01:23:15,817 I mean, the science is pretty clear. 1275 01:23:15,987 --> 01:23:19,684 It's something else that's causing this rejection. 1276 01:23:22,727 --> 01:23:26,754 Many conservatives, I think, see action on climate change... 1277 01:23:26,964 --> 01:23:30,331 ...as really an attack on a way of life. 1278 01:23:33,571 --> 01:23:37,166 The reason that we need the science to be wrong... 1279 01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:41,971 ...is otherwise, we realize that we need to change. 1280 01:23:44,248 --> 01:23:46,739 That's really a hard pill to swallow... 1281 01:23:46,917 --> 01:23:50,409 ...that the whole way I've created my life is wrong, you're saying? 1282 01:23:50,588 --> 01:23:53,055 That I shouldn't have this house in the suburb? 1283 01:23:53,224 --> 01:23:58,526 I shouldn't be driving this car that I take my kids to soccer? 1284 01:23:59,363 --> 01:24:03,766 And you're not gonna tell me to live the way that you want me to live. 1285 01:24:05,102 --> 01:24:07,593 And along comes some people sowing some doubt... 1286 01:24:07,772 --> 01:24:11,401 ...and it's pretty effective because I'm looking for that answer. 1287 01:24:11,575 --> 01:24:14,635 I want it to be that the science is not real. 1288 01:24:21,652 --> 01:24:23,779 Top U.S. oil company ExxonMobil... 1289 01:24:23,954 --> 01:24:26,422 ...and Russia's Rosneft have signed a deal... 1290 01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:29,616 ...to develop oil and gas reserves in the Russian Arctic. 1291 01:24:33,331 --> 01:24:35,959 One of the reasons this deal is now possible... 1292 01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:40,536 ...is the human-induced global warming that has rolled the ice back. 1293 01:24:41,238 --> 01:24:46,733 It's warmer in the Arctic than it's been in at least 40,000 years. 1294 01:24:46,911 --> 01:24:49,471 And yet there's ExxonMobil looking at that... 1295 01:24:49,647 --> 01:24:52,741 ...thinking they can drill more. 1296 01:24:53,651 --> 01:24:58,588 The very thing they paid groups to tell us wouldn't happen... 1297 01:24:58,756 --> 01:25:01,054 ...has now benefited them. 1298 01:25:01,192 --> 01:25:04,059 We could be into the hundreds of billions of dollars... 1299 01:25:05,796 --> 01:25:09,562 ...over the life of developing all of the potential prospects up there. 1300 01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:12,669 We now know they were using climate change... 1301 01:25:12,837 --> 01:25:17,467 ...as a source of insight into exploration. 1302 01:25:19,577 --> 01:25:25,379 There's a point at which you realize you are part of the losing end of a hustle. 1303 01:25:26,083 --> 01:25:27,846 And it can make you feel very sad. 1304 01:25:28,018 --> 01:25:30,782 And I know many environmentalists who feel very sad. 1305 01:25:30,955 --> 01:25:32,980 Each of you solemnly swear that.... 1306 01:25:34,091 --> 01:25:38,494 But at some point, the public catches up with you. 1307 01:25:38,662 --> 01:25:41,358 The legal system catches up with you. 1308 01:25:41,532 --> 01:25:45,195 An extraordinary punishment for the country's big cigarette companies. 1309 01:25:45,369 --> 01:25:47,735 A federal judge said they lied... 1310 01:25:47,905 --> 01:25:51,966 ...and they have to take out ads and admit it publicly. 1311 01:25:52,143 --> 01:25:53,906 Specifically, they have to say... 1312 01:25:54,111 --> 01:25:57,012 ...they "deliberately deceived the American public... 1313 01:25:57,181 --> 01:26:02,642 ...about the dangers of cigarettes" and they designed them to be addictive. 1314 01:26:04,388 --> 01:26:06,720 We know the truth about the harms of tobacco. 1315 01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:10,725 And the tobacco industry has been prosecuted for its illegal activities. 1316 01:26:10,895 --> 01:26:13,887 So that's the good news, right? The truth has come out... 1317 01:26:14,064 --> 01:26:17,192 ...and people who deserve to be punished have been punished. 1318 01:26:17,368 --> 01:26:19,359 The bad news is that it took 50 years. 1319 01:26:21,939 --> 01:26:24,203 If we look at the case of climate change... 1320 01:26:24,375 --> 01:26:26,570 ...we can imagine that eventually... 1321 01:26:26,744 --> 01:26:29,770 ...people will come to understand the scientific evidence. 1322 01:26:29,947 --> 01:26:33,280 But the problem is, we don't have 50 years. 1323 01:26:35,386 --> 01:26:39,686 Climate change is happening, it's underway, and it's not reversible. 1324 01:26:41,292 --> 01:26:45,160 As sea level rises and hurricanes become more intense, people get killed. 1325 01:26:45,296 --> 01:26:47,526 Their houses and communities get destroyed. 1326 01:26:47,698 --> 01:26:52,465 Think about heat waves and droughts that ruin agricultural communities. 1327 01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:57,664 These are problems that it will require government intervention to address. 1328 01:27:00,911 --> 01:27:03,471 The great irony of the story to me... 1329 01:27:03,681 --> 01:27:07,981 ...is that people who don't like big government are going to get more of it. 1330 01:27:09,453 --> 01:27:12,479 And we're gonna see more money being spent... 1331 01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:16,217 ...on dealing with the aftermath of these disasters. 1332 01:27:18,195 --> 01:27:21,926 There will be billions of dollars in real-estate losses. 1333 01:27:22,099 --> 01:27:26,297 But more than that, people will die. 1334 01:27:27,404 --> 01:27:29,463 That's why it matters. 1335 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,699 That's why this is meaningful for us... 1336 01:27:31,842 --> 01:27:34,777 ...not just for polar bears or people in Bangladesh. 1337 01:27:38,782 --> 01:27:41,717 That's why so many people in the scientific community... 1338 01:27:41,852 --> 01:27:44,719 ...are really starting to talk in very worried tones. 1339 01:27:44,855 --> 01:27:47,722 There's a growing sense in the scientific community... 1340 01:27:47,858 --> 01:27:51,996 ...that we're running out of time to prevent a train wreck. 1341 01:27:55,132 --> 01:27:58,727 Our parents did not know the things they were doing... 1342 01:27:58,869 --> 01:28:02,771 ...were going to have major consequences for young people... 1343 01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:05,340 ...and future generations. 1344 01:28:05,509 --> 01:28:09,536 But we cannot say that. We can only pretend that we don't know. 1345 01:28:11,315 --> 01:28:14,182 If we warm up the planet a few degrees... 1346 01:28:14,351 --> 01:28:17,980 ...we're talking about eventual sea-level rise of tens of meters... 1347 01:28:18,155 --> 01:28:21,056 ...which would wipe out all the coastal cities. 1348 01:28:38,275 --> 01:28:41,472 If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate... 1349 01:28:41,645 --> 01:28:45,081 ...then by that time, you've passed a tipping point... 1350 01:28:45,282 --> 01:28:47,409 ...so that it's.... 1351 01:28:47,585 --> 01:28:51,681 You're going to get consequences that are out of our control. 1352 01:28:53,424 --> 01:28:56,484 I've been arrested, I think, four times. 1353 01:28:58,295 --> 01:29:01,287 We should be going and beating on the president's desk... 1354 01:29:01,432 --> 01:29:04,196 ...telling him, "We have a problem." 1355 01:29:09,206 --> 01:29:12,198 You don't have to accept things the way they are. 1356 01:29:12,376 --> 01:29:14,606 There are things we can do to change. 1357 01:29:16,614 --> 01:29:20,209 The lie is that we can't do it, that we can't innovate. 1358 01:29:20,384 --> 01:29:25,117 We gotta keep relying on petroleum, coal.... 1359 01:29:25,322 --> 01:29:28,120 We gotta have just those things. 1360 01:29:28,325 --> 01:29:30,316 Why? 1361 01:29:31,328 --> 01:29:33,125 To be in this situation... 1362 01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:37,460 ...where those fossil fuels are imperiling our future... 1363 01:29:37,635 --> 01:29:39,694 ...and future generations... 1364 01:29:39,870 --> 01:29:43,966 ...and we're not accountable for that... 1365 01:29:44,141 --> 01:29:47,440 ...that really becomes a moral problem. 1366 01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:52,715 We're leaving our children and grandchildren a legacy... 1367 01:29:52,883 --> 01:29:55,443 ...of people who failed to lead. 1368 01:29:55,953 --> 01:30:00,788 People who, when it came their time to be awakened... 1369 01:30:00,958 --> 01:30:02,391 ...they slept. 1370 01:30:03,661 --> 01:30:08,655 We didn't have enough faith in the future that could be brought about... 1371 01:30:08,866 --> 01:30:10,959 ...so we just gave up. 1372 01:30:12,603 --> 01:30:15,663 We couldn't rise to higher things. 1373 01:30:17,374 --> 01:30:20,502 I don't wanna be a part of that. I wanna be a part of saying: 1374 01:30:20,678 --> 01:30:24,239 "No, we did rise to it. You bet we did." 122717

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