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My expertise is in deception.
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The thing that sets magicians apart
from con men...
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...and other kinds
of thieves and liars...
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...is that we're honest liars.
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It's the moral contract.
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Please give it up for Jamy Ian Swiss.
Give it up!
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Good evening. Thank you.
Thanks a lot.
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We'll begin at the beginning
with incontrovertible evidence...
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...of a misspent youth.
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I'm saying, "I'm gonna fool you,
but it's okay." Right?
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"That's my job, and I'm gonna bring you
back in a not severely altered condition."
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You ever seen anybody take cards,
wave their hands...
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-...and have it change into another card?
-No.
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You wave your hands over it,
and it changes just like that.
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You don't always have
to wave your hands over it.
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Sometimes you just give it a little snap.
It changes just like that.
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-Watch again, just a little snap.
-No.
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It changes just like that.
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I make an honest living, right?
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Therefore, it offends me...
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...when someone takes the skills
of my honest living, if you will...
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...and uses it to twist and distort
and manipulate people...
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...and their sense of reality
and how the world works.
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I know how to fool people...
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...and I know how to recognize
when people are being fooled.
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Dioxins, pesticides,
chemicals in general.
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There's no evidence
that these are harming us.
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Asbestos, designed to last a lifetime...
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...a trouble-free lifetime.
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Catastrophic global warming is a hoax.
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There's no scientific consensus.
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There is no consensus. This is a myth.
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Cigarette smoking
does not cause cancer, yes or no?
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It is not known
whether cigarettes cause cancer.
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There really isn't
a scientific consensus.
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Do you accept the basic premise
that smoking kills?
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No, I think that the scientists
who make statements like that...
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...are making political statements,
not scientific statements.
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-How do you spell your name?
-G-L-A-N-T-Z.
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-I got it.
-I can give you a card.
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-No, it's all right. Stan, right?
-No?
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-Or Stanton. Stan.
-Are you a...?
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I got involved in the tobacco issue
in 1978...
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...over clean indoor air. Then, the radical
thing was to have a nonsmoking section.
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Good evening, the captain
has turned off the no-smoking sign.
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Smoking was everywhere.
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It was on airplanes.
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It was in restaurants.
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I work in a hospital.
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People were smoking in the hospital.
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What in the world is so wrong
about smoking in the workplace?
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I mean, I smoke on my job every night.
I'm not hurting anyone.
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-Well, that's bullshit.
-Is it?
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One thing you've gotta be willing to do
when you're doing science...
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...that is not in the interest
of these giant corporations...
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...when people come after you
for baloney reasons...
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...you've gotta be willing
to stand up to them.
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I don't know of any evidence,
conclusive evidence.
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-Here. You could read this.
-Let me ask you something.
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-Let me ask you something.
-Read this.
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Let me ask you one simple
damn question. Hold on.
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We spent a long time
banging our heads up against the wall...
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...because these guys are rich,
they're politically powerful...
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...and they're mean.
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-How old are you?
-I'm 42.
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Forty-two. Now, I smoke four packs
of cigarettes a day.
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I am 55.
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Wait a sec, wait a sec, wait a sec.
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Tell me if I don't look
20 years younger than this asshole.
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Come on.
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But when you went to policy makers
or the media...
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...and talk about just how dishonest
and manipulative they were...
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...people would kind of think
you were a little paranoid delusional.
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And then the whole situation changed.
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I'm sitting in my office
on the 11th floor of the hospital...
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...and a box arrives.
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And in there
was thousands of pages...
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...of internal
tobacco industry documents.
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The documents in the box
came from somebody on the inside...
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...working for the companies...
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...copying a bunch of documents
and sneaking them out...
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...and making them available
to people on the outside.
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We now have over 80 million pages...
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...and the great bulk of those
have become available...
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...because of lawsuits
against the tobacco companies.
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The thing that is so important
about the documents...
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...is it gets you behind the veil,
it gets you inside the companies...
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...where you don't have to speculate
about what they're doing.
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You could read about it.
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That the tobacco companies knew
smoking caused cancer in the '50s.
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It is not known
whether cigarettes cause cancer.
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That they knew smoking
caused heart disease in the '60s.
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No causal relationship between
cigarette smoking and heart disease?
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No, as a matter of fact there are--
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That they knew nicotine
was an addictive drug in the '60s.
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Yet 30 years later, the CEOs
of all the big tobacco companies...
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...stood up under oath and told Congress
that nicotine wasn't addictive.
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-You believe nicotine is not addictive?
-I believe nicotine is not addictive, yes.
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I don't believe our products
are addictive.
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-Not addictive.
-Not addictive.
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-It's not addictive.
-Not addictive.
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The science that they did internally
was very good, often decades ahead...
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...of what people on the outside
were doing.
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It's just that you don't want the people
on the outside...
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...to know
what that evidence is saying.
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The tobacco issue broke
into the public consciousness in 1953.
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Faced with undeniable evidence
that smoking was killing people...
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...they did what any self-respecting
big corporation would do.
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They hired a public relations firm.
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And Hill and Knowlton said to the heads
of all the big tobacco companies:
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"You can't deny the evidence.
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You can't say smoking
doesn't cause cancer.
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But what you can do is cast doubt."
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I think there's a great deal of doubt as
to whether or not cigarettes are harmful.
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Smoking may be hazardous,
it may not be.
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Smoking may be hazardous,
it may not be.
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It may be or it may not be.
We don't know.
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None of the things which have
been found in tobacco smoke...
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...are at concentrations
which can be considered harmful.
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But the components themselves
can be considered harmful, can they not?
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Anything can be considered harmful.
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Applesauce is harmful
if you get too much of it.
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I don't think many people
are dying from applesauce.
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They're not eating that much.
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The playbook that big tobacco
developed to attack science...
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...worked for them for 50 years.
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Because every day that they can delay
effective policy action...
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...is one more day
that they can make more money.
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They can be out there
selling a product...
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...that's killing a half-a-million Americans
a year and get away with it.
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And so other businesses that were faced
with regulatory challenges...
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...had to look at this and say,
"Boy, if this works for tobacco...
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...we ought to be able
to use that playbook too."
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What's happened is that people working
on a whole range of other issues...
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...that you wouldn't think had much
to do with tobacco...
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...have gone into the documents
and found things...
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...that we never would have thought
to have looked for.
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My partner and I,
we were both ready...
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...to take on a new project,
something we could sink our teeth into.
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And almost everybody said:
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"You should be looking
at flame retardants."
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I had no idea that there were flame
retardants in my couches, my chairs.
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These are chemicals measured
by ounces and pounds.
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In the average couch, there could be
up to 2 pounds of flame retardants.
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We all wind up with the chemicals
in our bodies because of it.
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Because those chemicals come out
of the foam, they migrate in the dust.
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American babies are born
with the highest levels...
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...of flame retardant chemicals
of any place in the world.
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They're linked to health problems.
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And kids are the most vulnerable.
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So then the big question was,
"Do they really protect us from fires?"
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One of the early breakthroughs was...
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...when we talked
to the leading fire scientist.
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It was his study that the chemical
industry was holding up as proof...
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...that flame retardants work.
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And yet when we talked to him, he said,
"They're grossly distorting my work."
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That flame retardants in your house...
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...they don't protect you from anything.
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And then I thought, "Wow, okay.
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We have them in our bodies,
they're rising exponentially...
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...and they don't work?
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How can that be?"
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In the '70s, thousands of people
were dying in fires started by cigarettes.
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When you smoked a cigarette
and put it down...
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...it could burn for up to 30 minutes
after you'd put it down.
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The tobacco industry
was under pressure...
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...to create
a self-extinguishing cigarette.
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Tobacco kept insisting,
"We can't do it."
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You start tampering
with a cigarette...
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...it is a very highly technical
and complex undertaking.
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They didn't want to alter a product...
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...that was making them
billions of dollars a year.
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So what they needed
was a scapegoat.
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And they had this perfect scapegoat,
and it was furniture.
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The furniture was to blame here.
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You need to fireproof the world
around the cigarette.
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The cigarette industry at that time
was having credibility problems...
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...so they needed a credible third party
to go out there and deliver their message.
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There was this document
in the tobacco archives...
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...that laid bare their strategy
in pretty callous language.
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"You have to try to understand
who is a potential threat to you...
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...so you can neutralize them.
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Example,
the self-extinguishing cigarette.
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Who would be involved
in the self-extinguishing cigarette...
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...on the other side of the fence?
The firefighting community."
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This is an international group
of executives.
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He's saying,
"This is what you need to do.
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Find your enemies.
In this case the fire service.
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Those folks are a real threat to us.
Neutralize them."
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"We had turned them around
and made allies.
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Third-party defenders for ourselves."
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So there was a guy at the Tobacco
Institute named Peter Sparber.
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The Tobacco Institute
planted Peter Sparber...
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...inside the National Association
of State Fire Marshals.
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And the fire marshals named him
their legislative representative.
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What the fire marshals didn't know
was that big tobacco...
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...was paying him $200 an hour for work
they thought was volunteer work.
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So in some ways
he's almost like a spy.
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He would go in,
he would talk to the fire marshals.
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And he convinced them that they should
deliver the message of big tobacco.
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That it's not cigarettes causing
all these fatal fires, it's the furniture.
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Manufacturers had to put pounds
of toxic chemicals...
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...into the cushions of your couch.
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You have to hand it
to Peter Sparber.
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I don't think there's too many guys
that could pull that off.
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He said, "If you can do tobacco...
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...you can do just about anything
in public relations."
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Peter Sparber went on to work
for the pesticide industry, the oil industry.
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There are other Peter Sparbers
out there.
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You see the same small group of people
that the tobacco industry used...
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...working on all kinds of other issues.
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This is not what the drunk driving debate
is about.
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This is political sound bites
instead of good science.
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They had developed
a certain set of skills...
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...that a lot of industries
are gonna want.
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Dioxins, pesticides,
chemicals in general.
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There's no evidence
that these are harming us.
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The only way these guys
are actually effective...
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...is if the public thinks
they're an independent voice.
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Steve, first of all,
are you in bed with big oil...
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...and if so, how good in bed are they?
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Not in bed with anyone, just trying
to do the right thing on climate change.
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Red. Watch it. You win. You lose.
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Red. Watch it. You win. You lose.
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You lose. See.
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How did you miss that one?
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Nobody ever won
at Three-Card Monte in history.
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They've been playing it for 150 years,
and nobody's won.
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That one's your red.
That one's your black.
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People want to think
that the Three-Card Monte...
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...is all about the sleight-of-hand
maneuver the Monte operator uses...
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...to switch one card for another.
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That's the least of it.
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The Monte operator, he wants
to instill that confidence in you.
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That's where "con" comes
in con game.
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And so he enlists
the assistance of confederates...
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...shills, people who stand there
and bet with money and watch the game.
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The shill wins so that you have
the confidence...
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...that the Monte operator will pay.
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Pay me. Thank you. Thank you.
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They're gonna look
like they're independent.
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The idea of how to mask the shill...
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...how to make the shill
look legitimate to the audience...
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...so that they're not suspect
when they're playing the game...
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...is all part of the psychology.
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The game does not work
without that concealment.
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The evidence does not support
the notion...
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...that humans are causing
global warming.
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There is no scientific basis for alarm.
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We do not know enough
about what affects climate.
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We don't know if there's a problem.
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Climate scientists
have a political agenda...
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...and they are using science
to drive that political agenda.
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First of all, Dr. Hansen, say your name,
spell your last name, give your title.
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Well, I'm James Hansen.
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I'm the head of the Goddard Institute
for Space Studies. And it's H-A-N-S-E-N.
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Okay.
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You've created quite a stir.
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Are you glad that the stir is happening?
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Well, I think that it's important
to have the attention...
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...on the possible climate changes.
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-Let's try that again.
-Sure.
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-You want to ask the question?
-No.
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No, you just go ahead
and answer them.
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Well, I think that--
What I'd like to say is that, frankly...
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...I would rather do my research
than be interviewed for TV.
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What made you fall in love
with science?
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Well, that's what I could do.
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I could do physics and mathematics.
That was easy for me.
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I got into science with NASA...
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...as the space program
was just getting started.
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I had proposed an experiment to go
to Venus on the Pioneer Venus mission.
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The question was,
"Well, why was Venus so hot?"
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As it turned out, the greenhouse effect
was the reason...
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...why Venus had a temperature
of about 600 degrees.
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We started realizing
that our own atmosphere was changing.
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So I then began to work full-time...
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...on understanding our planet
instead of Venus.
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The CO2 that we put in the air
by burning fossil fuels...
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...will stay in the climate system
for millennia.
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It's like putting a blanket
around the planet.
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It holds in the heat.
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Civilization has developed
in the last several thousand years...
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...in a climate
that has been very stable...
285
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...varying by no more
than about one degree.
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So if you warm up a few degrees...
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...you're putting the planet
outside that which has existed...
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...for hundreds of thousands of years.
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We'd just assumed that humanity
would take sensible actions...
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...to avoid undesirable consequences.
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Thank you for being here.
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Dr. Hansen, if you'd start us off,
we'd appreciate it.
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Mr. Chairman and members--
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You have to talk
right into the microphone.
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These are not high-tech microphones.
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You have to pull it right over close
and talk right into it or people can't hear.
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-Okay.
-There you go.
298
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Most scientists
are not good communicators.
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We're not trained to do that.
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Science itself is hard enough...
301
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...without trying to communicate
with the public.
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The global warming
is now large enough...
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...that we can ascribe
with a high degree of confidence...
304
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...a cause-and-effect relationship
to the greenhouse effect.
305
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So in 1988, Jim Hansen testifies,
and the news media reports it.
306
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It could mean devastating changes
to life on Earth.
307
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John Passacantando,
executive director of Greenpeace.
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I just trundled into this fight...
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...as really just another
earnest environmentalist.
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I've worked on this for 20 years.
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Environmentalists, we thought
this was a fight about science.
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Get the science out there,
into the media...
313
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...politicians will listen,
we can solve this.
314
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The question is,
what will the White House do about it?
315
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Politicians, even President Bush,
say, "We're gonna tackle this."
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Those who think we're powerless
with this greenhouse effect...
317
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...are forgetting
about the White House effect.
318
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So the fossil fuel industry realizes
it has an enormous problem.
319
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Bill O'Keefe is executive vice president
of the American Petroleum Institute.
320
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He's also a board member
of the Global Climate Coalition...
321
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...made up of oil and electric companies,
automakers and others.
322
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We believed it was a war on oil,
they had an off-oil agenda.
323
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Climate change was part of that.
324
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I think that it's unfortunate
that the science...
325
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...is so distorted and misstated....
326
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The science is complicated,
and there are lots of factors.
327
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You have to understand
the whole picture.
328
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There is a natural variability
that has nothing to do with man.
329
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Climate is changing naturally.
330
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It has to do with sunspots,
the wobble of the Earth.
331
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And so it's not too difficult...
332
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...to persuade some of the public
that we really don't know for sure.
333
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So let's wait awhile.
We need to have more proof.
334
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We need more data.
335
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The science isn't there
to make a determination.
336
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There is no need for us to rush
to this kind of judgment....
337
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Others put out ads saying
more pollution is gonna be good for us.
338
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A doubling of the CO2
in the atmosphere...
339
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...will produce a tremendous greening
of Planet Earth.
340
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CO2 benefits plant life.
341
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It's increasing
the bounty of the planet...
342
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...our ability to feed populations.
343
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What you see
from the coal industry...
344
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...is analogous to what
the tobacco industry used to do.
345
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They refuse to change. They're trying
to convince us that it's good for us.
346
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The way they used to say,
"Luckys make you healthy."
347
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So there's this hope that,
as the science continues to emerge...
348
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...the public will become aware...
349
00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:06,800
...and our political leaders
will solve this problem.
350
00:24:06,974 --> 00:24:09,169
But that's not what happened.
351
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I was always interested in broader
questions about scientific knowledge.
352
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Why we believe some things
and not others.
353
00:24:28,162 --> 00:24:29,993
How do scientists come
to consensus?
354
00:24:30,164 --> 00:24:33,793
What does it take for scientists to say,
"Yes, we know this is true"?
355
00:24:33,968 --> 00:24:36,994
The problem is, there's no consensus
on what's causing it.
356
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Consensus has not been met
among scientists....
357
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A decade after Hansen
had testified in Congress...
358
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...that climate change
was happening...
359
00:24:45,046 --> 00:24:48,504
...the media are still presenting this
as a big scientific debate.
360
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Gentlemen, I'm sure that this debate
is gonna continue for a long, long time.
361
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I had the idea
that we could test this question...
362
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...of whether or not there was
a consensus among scientists.
363
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Active scientists,
people who are doing research...
364
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...and publishing in journals.
365
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Not the public at large,
not politicians, but scientists.
366
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And so we got a list
of all of the papers...
367
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...that had been published
from 1992 to 2002...
368
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...that had used that key word phrase
"global climate change."
369
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And then we read them.
370
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The question was...
371
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...how many of these papers disagree
that most of the observed warming...
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...is due to the increase
in greenhouse gas concentrations?
373
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So I certainly thought
we would get some that disagreed.
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And when we found nothing...
375
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...then I thought, "Oh, this is a result
that needs to be published."
376
00:25:48,209 --> 00:25:51,144
When my article
on the scientific consensus came out...
377
00:25:51,312 --> 00:25:55,248
...I started getting threatening e-mails,
saying that I was a communist...
378
00:25:55,416 --> 00:25:58,214
...that I should be fired from my job.
379
00:26:00,922 --> 00:26:02,719
A few people began to say to me:
380
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"Other people have also been attacked
in a way that seems similar."
381
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People who worked on acid rain,
who worked on the ozone hole.
382
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I started doing research on the people
who were attacking me.
383
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And that's when I discovered
a startling fact.
384
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They were the same people...
385
00:26:21,242 --> 00:26:24,177
...who had attacked the scientists
on all these issues.
386
00:26:25,947 --> 00:26:30,281
Then I began to realize, "This is a debate,
but this is not a scientific debate."
387
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And if it's not scientific,
then the question becomes:
388
00:26:33,654 --> 00:26:36,623
"Well, what sort of a debate is it?"
389
00:26:52,773 --> 00:26:55,264
Dr. Fred Singer was greeted
like a rock star...
390
00:26:55,443 --> 00:26:58,003
...at a recent meeting
of global warming skeptics.
391
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This 84-year-old,
Princeton-trained physicist...
392
00:27:01,182 --> 00:27:03,150
...is the grandfather
of a movement...
393
00:27:03,317 --> 00:27:06,377
...that rails against
the broad scientific understanding...
394
00:27:06,587 --> 00:27:11,615
...that global warming is real,
man-made and potentially catastrophic.
395
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It's all bunk. It's all bunk.
396
00:27:14,495 --> 00:27:17,658
There are so many scientists
who disagree with you.
397
00:27:17,832 --> 00:27:21,290
The IPCC, NASA, NOAA,
the National Academy of Sciences...
398
00:27:21,469 --> 00:27:24,461
...American Association
for the Advancement of Science...
399
00:27:24,639 --> 00:27:28,302
...The American Geophysical Union,
The American Meteorological Society.
400
00:27:28,476 --> 00:27:31,377
We're talking about scientists
all over the globe.
401
00:27:31,545 --> 00:27:33,536
What can I say? They're wrong.
402
00:27:33,714 --> 00:27:38,048
When we talk about scientists,
there are really two camps.
403
00:27:38,219 --> 00:27:42,679
Those of us who wish to have decisions
that are evidence-based...
404
00:27:44,358 --> 00:27:48,624
...are called, not just skeptics,
which is a good word...
405
00:27:48,763 --> 00:27:50,856
...but they're called deniers.
406
00:27:51,032 --> 00:27:53,523
And some of us are called criminals.
407
00:27:53,701 --> 00:27:55,225
What would you call yourself?
408
00:27:55,402 --> 00:28:00,397
Well, I consider myself,
primarily, a scientist.
409
00:28:01,943 --> 00:28:04,241
A major part of the mystery
of this story...
410
00:28:04,412 --> 00:28:07,870
...was to understand
the scientists in the story.
411
00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:11,416
This whole thing doesn't work
unless there are credible voices.
412
00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:15,887
Eminent scientists,
Drs. Singer and Seitz...
413
00:28:16,057 --> 00:28:18,423
...promote the skeptic view
on climate change.
414
00:28:20,027 --> 00:28:23,463
Singer and Seitz rose to high positions
of influence and power...
415
00:28:23,664 --> 00:28:26,861
...within the American
scientific establishment.
416
00:28:28,035 --> 00:28:32,768
Fred Seitz was one of the most important
American physicists of the 20th century.
417
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:36,603
He was the president of the U.S.
National Academy of Sciences.
418
00:28:36,777 --> 00:28:40,178
But now we see him starting
to attack science and scientists...
419
00:28:40,314 --> 00:28:43,078
...in areas
in which he has no expertise.
420
00:28:43,884 --> 00:28:48,048
So why would a man like that question
the work of his own scientific colleagues?
421
00:28:49,222 --> 00:28:52,056
One of the other things
that emerged was that Seitz...
422
00:28:52,226 --> 00:28:55,753
...had worked for the R.J. Reynolds
Tobacco Company.
423
00:28:57,331 --> 00:29:00,459
The blame for smoking
should be placed upon smokers.
424
00:29:02,336 --> 00:29:05,601
If they buy them,
it's their responsibility.
425
00:29:05,773 --> 00:29:07,764
Yeah, but you know
that in the '80s...
426
00:29:07,942 --> 00:29:12,402
...the tobacco company very clearly
said that there wasn't a direct linkage.
427
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:16,573
If people wanted to believe that,
it was their own doing.
428
00:29:16,751 --> 00:29:20,209
But was that also political on the part
of the tobacco companies?
429
00:29:20,354 --> 00:29:22,982
-Well, they wanted to keep up sales.
-Yeah.
430
00:29:23,157 --> 00:29:26,718
Was it irresponsible on the part
of the tobacco companies?
431
00:29:28,829 --> 00:29:32,265
It was irresponsible
on the part of the smokers.
432
00:29:34,368 --> 00:29:38,327
Fred Singer, like Fred Seitz,
also worked with the tobacco industry.
433
00:29:38,506 --> 00:29:43,307
You can find many documents that attest
to his relationship with Philip Morris.
434
00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:47,277
I still think that the EPA has cooked
the data on secondhand smoke.
435
00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:52,044
I am annoyed by the fact
that this tobacco business...
436
00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:58,055
...comes up every time
when I speak about global warming...
437
00:29:58,259 --> 00:30:00,352
...which has nothing to do
with tobacco.
438
00:30:01,028 --> 00:30:03,053
So why did Seitz and Singer do this?
439
00:30:03,263 --> 00:30:06,324
Why would they make common cause
with the tobacco industry?
440
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,832
Most people assume
the answer's money.
441
00:30:09,003 --> 00:30:12,495
But it was clear to me early on
that that wasn't the whole story.
442
00:30:12,673 --> 00:30:13,765
Lift off.
443
00:30:14,508 --> 00:30:17,204
Lift off at 34 minutes....
444
00:30:17,378 --> 00:30:20,142
Both Seitz and Singer
are Cold War scientists.
445
00:30:20,314 --> 00:30:24,080
They both worked on Cold War
weapons and rocketry programs.
446
00:30:24,285 --> 00:30:27,379
I was primarily concerned
with building instrumentation...
447
00:30:27,555 --> 00:30:30,649
...to be put into captured V2 rockets.
448
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:35,655
We felt the threat
of the Soviet Union quite strongly.
449
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:40,028
They also shared a kind of political
ideology, deeply, deeply anti-communist.
450
00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:42,496
When the Cold War ends...
451
00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:47,664
...they begin systematically attacking
all these other issues.
452
00:30:48,242 --> 00:30:52,110
There's a bit of a mystery. What do
these things all have in common?
453
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,843
All of these issues are issues
that involve...
454
00:30:56,016 --> 00:30:58,450
...the need for government action.
455
00:30:58,619 --> 00:31:00,211
That's when the penny dropped.
456
00:31:00,387 --> 00:31:03,379
I began to realize,
none of this is about the science.
457
00:31:04,859 --> 00:31:07,919
This is a political debate
about the role of government.
458
00:31:08,829 --> 00:31:11,889
So in a number of places,
we found these people saying...
459
00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:14,830
...they see environmentalists
as creeping communists.
460
00:31:14,969 --> 00:31:17,961
They're Reds under the bed,
they call them watermelons...
461
00:31:18,139 --> 00:31:20,130
...Green on the outside,
Red inside...
462
00:31:20,341 --> 00:31:22,901
...and they worry
that environmental regulation...
463
00:31:23,077 --> 00:31:25,067
...is a slippery slope to socialism.
464
00:31:25,246 --> 00:31:30,115
Socialism will not be buried
under the ruins of the Berlin Wall.
465
00:31:31,252 --> 00:31:33,220
We're not seeing
the end of communism.
466
00:31:33,387 --> 00:31:38,723
But the beginning of a new threat to free
enterprise and to liberal democracies.
467
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,759
By any other name...
468
00:31:40,928 --> 00:31:45,991
...government control of the economy is
still government control of the economy.
469
00:31:52,173 --> 00:31:53,572
I call them watermelons.
470
00:31:53,741 --> 00:31:56,642
They're Green on the outside,
but Red on the inside.
471
00:32:01,982 --> 00:32:04,450
You know,
at the end of the Cold War...
472
00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:06,984
...we threw these people
out the window Red...
473
00:32:07,154 --> 00:32:10,146
...and now they've walked
back in the front door Green.
474
00:32:11,192 --> 00:32:14,593
I'll tell you what the environmental
movement is in this country.
475
00:32:14,762 --> 00:32:17,287
It is the modern home...
476
00:32:17,464 --> 00:32:22,458
...of the socialist-slash-communist
movement in America.
477
00:32:26,974 --> 00:32:32,310
This bill is Green on the outside
and inside it's deep communist Red.
478
00:32:48,295 --> 00:32:51,992
The further down the road somebody
gets in terms of their commitment...
479
00:32:52,165 --> 00:32:55,567
...behaviorally and ideologically
with a social group, a tribe--
480
00:32:57,171 --> 00:32:59,935
"Our tribe doubts climate change.
That's what we do."
481
00:33:00,074 --> 00:33:03,134
Whether you care or not,
your tribe believes a bunch...
482
00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:07,041
...of other things that you also believe,
so you buy the package.
483
00:33:09,882 --> 00:33:13,478
I am Michael Shermer,
director of The Skeptic Society.
484
00:33:13,654 --> 00:33:16,248
We investigate the paranormal,
pseudoscience...
485
00:33:16,457 --> 00:33:18,982
...and cults and claims
of all kinds between.
486
00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:21,218
Some people call us debunkers...
487
00:33:21,395 --> 00:33:25,695
...but there's a lot of bunk that needs
debunking and that's part of our job.
488
00:33:25,866 --> 00:33:29,029
When I say, "Where's the spacecraft?"
You say, "They hid it."
489
00:33:29,203 --> 00:33:31,228
Your whole case is based
on anecdotes.
490
00:33:31,405 --> 00:33:35,068
You gotta have a piece of the spacecraft,
as I've always said.
491
00:33:35,242 --> 00:33:37,369
Bring back one of those probes.
492
00:33:37,544 --> 00:33:39,375
We did one on Holocaust deniers.
493
00:33:39,546 --> 00:33:42,071
Vaccinations,
"Do Vaccines Cause Autism?"
494
00:33:42,249 --> 00:33:44,615
We've done many issues
on climate change.
495
00:33:44,785 --> 00:33:47,481
I became skeptical
of the environmental movement...
496
00:33:47,621 --> 00:33:50,590
...when a lot of the predictions
they made in the '70s--
497
00:33:50,758 --> 00:33:54,057
When I was in college
and taking classes in these subjects.
498
00:33:54,228 --> 00:33:57,220
--it was clear they weren't coming true.
They exaggerated.
499
00:34:02,236 --> 00:34:05,034
Sometime in the next 15 years,
the end will come.
500
00:34:05,205 --> 00:34:08,868
An utter breakdown of the capacity
of the planet to support humanity.
501
00:34:09,043 --> 00:34:11,739
And when civilization collapses
on this earth...
502
00:34:11,912 --> 00:34:16,372
...as it will within this decade,
it's going to hit the U.S. first.
503
00:34:18,018 --> 00:34:21,818
Rain forests would disappear
and we'd run out of oil, and all that.
504
00:34:22,022 --> 00:34:24,081
Overpopulation will destroy the Earth.
505
00:34:24,258 --> 00:34:27,091
And billions of people
would be starving to death...
506
00:34:27,261 --> 00:34:29,729
...because we don't have food
to feed them.
507
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,432
None of that happened,
It didn't even remotely happen.
508
00:34:42,042 --> 00:34:44,533
By the late '90s,
the global warming thing...
509
00:34:44,678 --> 00:34:47,044
...it became kind of
a secular apocalypse...
510
00:34:47,181 --> 00:34:51,242
...sort of a millenarianism for liberals.
511
00:34:51,418 --> 00:34:54,114
It's not just a prediction,
it was like, "Oh, boy.
512
00:34:54,288 --> 00:34:57,985
Disaster is coming, and we,
the chosen ones, well, we were right.
513
00:34:58,158 --> 00:35:01,491
We'll come out the other side
and say, 'See, we were right."'
514
00:35:01,662 --> 00:35:04,756
So I was a climate skeptic
for several decades, actually.
515
00:35:04,932 --> 00:35:06,456
But data trumps politics.
516
00:35:06,633 --> 00:35:09,602
In the end,
you have to follow the data.
517
00:35:10,838 --> 00:35:14,433
I read, you know, all the leading books
and scientific papers.
518
00:35:14,608 --> 00:35:18,601
I'm trained enough to realize
what the data actually show.
519
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,677
I thought,
"Oh, my God, this stuff is real."
520
00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:24,875
Take all the politics out...
521
00:35:25,085 --> 00:35:27,076
...the Earth is getting warmer...
522
00:35:27,221 --> 00:35:29,621
...and we're the cause,
no question about it.
523
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:33,351
So this isn't the greatest hoax
ever sold to the American people?
524
00:35:33,527 --> 00:35:36,690
No, climate change is not
the greatest hoax ever sold to us.
525
00:35:36,864 --> 00:35:40,459
But people on the right,
they really think it is, even Libertarians.
526
00:35:40,634 --> 00:35:45,037
I go to this Libertarian conference every
summer, Freedom Fest in Las Vegas.
527
00:35:51,178 --> 00:35:53,646
The Cato Institute
is a Libertarian think tank.
528
00:35:53,814 --> 00:35:56,647
We're dedicated to free markets
and individual liberty.
529
00:35:56,817 --> 00:35:59,115
Freedom from government,
limited government.
530
00:35:59,253 --> 00:36:02,313
The Heartland Institute believes
warming is not man-made.
531
00:36:02,489 --> 00:36:06,482
This is our event today. James Taylor
is with The Heartland Institute.
532
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,059
-Okay.
-Who is he debating?
533
00:36:08,228 --> 00:36:10,696
He is debating Mr. Shermer...
534
00:36:10,864 --> 00:36:13,890
...who is--
He writes for Skeptic Magazine...
535
00:36:14,067 --> 00:36:17,503
...but James Taylor
is doing the skeptic side today.
536
00:36:17,671 --> 00:36:21,198
We'll see what happens at the debate.
Yeah, we'll go to that.
537
00:36:21,375 --> 00:36:26,403
They think of me as some liberal crazy,
conspiracy-- Putting together this con--
538
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:28,639
This made-up story
about climate change.
539
00:36:28,782 --> 00:36:32,411
I'm like, "I used to be on your side.
All I did was look at the data."
540
00:36:34,087 --> 00:36:37,022
I've been Libertarian
my whole adult life.
541
00:36:37,191 --> 00:36:40,718
Since I read Atlas Shrugged in college,
like everybody else here.
542
00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:43,385
I prefer to read
The Wall Street Journal...
543
00:36:43,564 --> 00:36:45,054
...and ignore The NY Times...
544
00:36:45,231 --> 00:36:48,429
...because The Journal tells me
what I like to know is true.
545
00:36:48,602 --> 00:36:51,799
So what flipped me
was just sort of looking at the data...
546
00:36:51,972 --> 00:36:54,964
...and all the new data
that had come in the early 2000s.
547
00:36:55,175 --> 00:36:58,542
Ninety-nine percent
of the world's glaciers are retreating.
548
00:36:58,712 --> 00:37:02,580
Why don't people change their minds
when new data comes in about climate?
549
00:37:02,749 --> 00:37:04,717
Because it isn't about the data.
550
00:37:04,885 --> 00:37:07,786
It's about me being
a consistent tribal member...
551
00:37:07,955 --> 00:37:11,721
...and showing to my fellow tribe
members that you can count on me.
552
00:37:11,892 --> 00:37:16,329
The whole global warming debate
is based upon your team...
553
00:37:16,497 --> 00:37:18,089
-...starting out--
-"My team."
554
00:37:18,265 --> 00:37:21,257
Yeah, your team. Starting out
by making the declaration...
555
00:37:21,435 --> 00:37:23,995
...that carbon dioxide
causes temperature change.
556
00:37:24,204 --> 00:37:25,831
First, it's not fifty-fifty.
557
00:37:26,006 --> 00:37:29,703
It's not like half of scientists say this
and the other half say that.
558
00:37:29,843 --> 00:37:32,903
Almost none of them
say what my opponent says.
559
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,516
-That's a lie.
-No, none. I showed you the chart. No.
560
00:37:36,717 --> 00:37:39,345
-Ninety-nine percent of scientists--
-That's a lie!
561
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,852
You can repeat it,
but it won't make it true.
562
00:37:42,022 --> 00:37:44,786
Ninety-nine percent
have said that it's real.
563
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,483
-That is a bold-faced lie.
-No, it is not.
564
00:37:50,764 --> 00:37:53,756
When I go into these debates,
it feels like I'm going...
565
00:37:53,934 --> 00:37:57,267
...into a Twilight Zone episode.
566
00:37:58,939 --> 00:38:01,271
You know, where black is white,
up is down...
567
00:38:01,441 --> 00:38:04,740
...and everything is just the opposite
of what you think it is.
568
00:38:06,613 --> 00:38:11,016
Two parallel worlds
that exist side by side.
569
00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:17,820
And each of us
has a counterpart in this world.
570
00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,516
Carbon dioxide increases
have followed--
571
00:38:20,694 --> 00:38:24,824
Whenever I deal with climate deniers,
it's almost like a mirrored reality.
572
00:38:25,632 --> 00:38:28,465
I put up the slide showing
the Earth getting warmer...
573
00:38:28,635 --> 00:38:30,899
...and the other guys put up
the same slide:
574
00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:32,766
"The Earth is getting cooler."
575
00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:35,033
Temperatures now
are not abnormally warm.
576
00:38:35,208 --> 00:38:36,869
They're abnormally cool.
577
00:38:37,711 --> 00:38:41,545
Another dimension?
Another world parallel to ours?
578
00:38:41,715 --> 00:38:43,148
You call that rational?
579
00:38:45,052 --> 00:38:47,020
When you look
at climate scientists...
580
00:38:47,187 --> 00:38:49,985
...we know who they are,
they work in science labs.
581
00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:53,584
On the other side,
people are not scientists.
582
00:38:53,794 --> 00:38:54,920
Global warming....
583
00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:58,154
Or if they are scientists,
they're not climate scientists.
584
00:38:58,332 --> 00:39:00,800
They're a political, ideological group...
585
00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:04,835
...that just mines the data
that somebody else gets...
586
00:39:05,005 --> 00:39:10,077
...and cherry-picks data that fits
what they already want to be true.
587
00:39:10,344 --> 00:39:14,542
An international group of scientific
experts said in no uncertain terms...
588
00:39:14,715 --> 00:39:16,546
...global warming is real...
589
00:39:16,717 --> 00:39:21,211
...and it's almost certainly caused
by what we humans do to this planet.
590
00:39:22,422 --> 00:39:26,119
The IPCC is the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change...
591
00:39:26,326 --> 00:39:30,456
...and it literally consists of thousands
of professional climate scientists...
592
00:39:30,631 --> 00:39:32,758
...from all over the world.
593
00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:35,868
And then we have the NIPCC.
594
00:39:36,036 --> 00:39:40,029
You can say "Not IPCC."
We call it "nip-ick."
595
00:39:40,207 --> 00:39:42,937
We reached the opposite conclusion.
596
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:47,410
I want to-- I want to stress that
we didn't add any new scientific work.
597
00:39:48,982 --> 00:39:50,950
They present themselves
as scientific.
598
00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:54,610
They use graphics to make them
look like the scientific reports...
599
00:39:54,788 --> 00:39:56,551
...they're trying to discredit.
600
00:39:56,723 --> 00:40:01,888
This is a report produced by the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
601
00:40:02,062 --> 00:40:06,431
And here is the mirror of that
produced by the Cato Institute.
602
00:40:11,772 --> 00:40:15,970
They've adopted the exact
same page layout and design.
603
00:40:20,013 --> 00:40:24,916
If you're a congressman, how do you tell
the difference between this and this one?
604
00:40:25,752 --> 00:40:28,585
And that's the point of this deception.
605
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,681
This is kind of an extended summary.
606
00:40:31,892 --> 00:40:33,985
-It's called a synthesis report.
-Yeah.
607
00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:38,621
The actual IPCC report
is about so thick.
608
00:40:38,799 --> 00:40:41,825
And how thick is your NIPCC report?
609
00:40:42,002 --> 00:40:43,902
Same.
610
00:40:44,037 --> 00:40:46,335
-It's same.
-You're as thick as they are?
611
00:40:46,506 --> 00:40:49,703
We strictly use the same thickness.
612
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:52,276
So it's 97 percent of them
and one of you.
613
00:40:52,913 --> 00:40:56,212
There's hundreds of us,
hundreds, thousands of us.
614
00:40:56,416 --> 00:41:00,147
Look, 31,000 scientists
and engineers...
615
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,847
...signed a statement to the contrary
to what you just read.
616
00:41:04,024 --> 00:41:06,117
-The Oregon Petition?
-Yes.
617
00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:10,994
The Oregon Petition claims
to be signed by climate scientists...
618
00:41:11,164 --> 00:41:14,930
...who disagree with the mainstream
view of the scientific community.
619
00:41:15,068 --> 00:41:18,231
If you actually look at it,
what you find is in many cases...
620
00:41:18,438 --> 00:41:20,201
...they aren't scientists at all.
621
00:41:22,209 --> 00:41:24,734
Somebody put on there
the Spice Girls.
622
00:41:26,346 --> 00:41:28,746
Somebody else put on there
Michael J. Fox.
623
00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:32,377
Even Charles Darwin made the list.
624
00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:36,314
And in fact the claim
was so obviously false...
625
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:39,323
...the National Academy
took the unprecedented step...
626
00:41:39,493 --> 00:41:43,054
...of publicly disavowing this petition.
627
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:45,755
More than 31,000 scientists
signed a petition....
628
00:41:45,966 --> 00:41:48,332
And yet, it gets cited
and it gets repeated.
629
00:41:48,502 --> 00:41:50,697
More than 31,000 scientists....
630
00:41:50,871 --> 00:41:55,774
More than 31,000 American scientists
rejecting global warming alarmism.
631
00:41:56,843 --> 00:42:00,904
They give the impression that it's a very
big network with lots of scientists.
632
00:42:01,081 --> 00:42:02,742
But if you look closely...
633
00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:06,682
...you see it's a small number of people,
really just a handful.
634
00:42:07,788 --> 00:42:09,221
Hey, Fred.
635
00:42:09,389 --> 00:42:12,620
It's kind of an amazing accomplishment
when you think of it...
636
00:42:12,793 --> 00:42:17,355
...that such a small group of people have
an enormous impact on public opinion.
637
00:42:17,531 --> 00:42:21,865
So that more than half the American
people think that the science isn't settled.
638
00:42:28,408 --> 00:42:31,206
Reach out and touch another one.
This one here? Okay.
639
00:42:31,378 --> 00:42:34,279
Jason's card. Take a look at that.
Try and remember it.
640
00:42:34,447 --> 00:42:38,110
Don't tell me what it is.
I just want you to tell me when you see it.
641
00:42:38,285 --> 00:42:43,382
As a magician I work hard to prevent my
audience from seeing through the trick.
642
00:42:43,557 --> 00:42:46,526
A lot of people think
the hand is quicker than the eye.
643
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,723
It's not really true. It's just the eye sees
a lot of things the mind never notices.
644
00:42:51,898 --> 00:42:53,422
Having trouble, I can tell.
645
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,569
What card are you looking for,
maybe I can help. What?
646
00:42:56,736 --> 00:42:59,637
The four of--? Really?
Was it really the four of hearts?
647
00:42:59,806 --> 00:43:03,298
-It's under my cocktail. Show it to them.
-No, it's not.
648
00:43:03,476 --> 00:43:05,444
Yeah.
649
00:43:06,913 --> 00:43:08,175
Yeah.
650
00:43:08,348 --> 00:43:13,752
And now maybe if you watch it enough
times with the benefit of a recording...
651
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,411
...maybe you figure out the trick.
652
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:20,651
I don't want you to tell me what it is,
I want you to tell me when you see it.
653
00:43:20,827 --> 00:43:25,093
But if you actually see the method,
once you see that, you won't un-see it.
654
00:43:25,265 --> 00:43:29,702
Then you can see me
put it there time and time again.
655
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:33,328
Once revealed, never concealed.
656
00:43:38,311 --> 00:43:41,280
It sort of comes back
to that idea of a playbook, right?
657
00:43:41,448 --> 00:43:43,609
What shape is it gonna take next?
658
00:43:43,783 --> 00:43:46,274
But look at this, see? See, there's this.
659
00:43:46,453 --> 00:43:50,947
As science started catching up
to the flame-retardant chemical makers...
660
00:43:51,124 --> 00:43:53,115
...their tactics got even bolder.
661
00:43:53,293 --> 00:43:55,591
Senate Bill 1-4-7.
662
00:43:55,729 --> 00:44:00,098
In 2011, a bill was up
that would have changed the rule...
663
00:44:00,233 --> 00:44:04,192
...so companies didn't have to add
pounds of flame retardants to furniture.
664
00:44:04,371 --> 00:44:06,532
Firefighters get cancer
at alarming rates.
665
00:44:06,706 --> 00:44:11,166
There were firefighters
arguing that the rule didn't work.
666
00:44:11,344 --> 00:44:15,838
There were breast-feeding mothers
arguing they don't want it in babies' milk.
667
00:44:16,016 --> 00:44:19,918
Public health officials saying this isn't
good for us. I wanted to see...
668
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:21,815
...what does the other side say?
669
00:44:21,988 --> 00:44:24,047
Hi, I'm Dr. David Heimbach.
670
00:44:24,224 --> 00:44:26,715
The real star-witness
was the burn surgeon.
671
00:44:26,893 --> 00:44:29,919
And I've actually gotten
a Compassion Award...
672
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,927
...from the Dalai Lama last year.
673
00:44:32,132 --> 00:44:36,626
He told this sad and dramatic story.
674
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:39,432
A 7-week-old baby was in a crib...
675
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,938
...laying on a fire-retardant mattress...
676
00:44:43,143 --> 00:44:46,237
...on a non-fire retardant pillow.
677
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:49,712
Mom put a candle in the crib...
678
00:44:49,883 --> 00:44:54,343
...candle fell over,
the baby sustained a 50-percent burn.
679
00:44:54,521 --> 00:44:56,853
The entire upper half
of her body was burned.
680
00:44:57,023 --> 00:45:02,188
Now, this is a tiny, little person, no bigger
than my Italian greyhound at home.
681
00:45:02,362 --> 00:45:04,387
She ultimately died...
682
00:45:04,564 --> 00:45:08,364
...after about three weeks
of pain and misery in the hospital.
683
00:45:08,535 --> 00:45:11,971
I literally heard a gasp
when he told the story about this baby.
684
00:45:12,172 --> 00:45:14,037
He had the room in his hand.
685
00:45:14,207 --> 00:45:15,196
-Price?
-No.
686
00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:16,603
Price, no. Emerson?
687
00:45:16,776 --> 00:45:22,180
When David Heimbach finished
speaking, you knew the bill would fail.
688
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:23,950
Okay, can I tuck you in?
689
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:25,178
Okay, can I tuck you in?
690
00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:30,278
I remember flying back to Chicago and
seeing my boys sleeping in their cribs...
691
00:45:30,457 --> 00:45:33,824
...and I'm thinking,
"Why would any mother...
692
00:45:33,994 --> 00:45:37,987
...put a candle in her baby's crib?"
693
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:43,635
I got back to the newsroom,
what I talked to Sam about:
694
00:45:43,803 --> 00:45:45,794
"So, what have they argued
in the past?
695
00:45:45,972 --> 00:45:49,464
When have these bills come up before?
Did Dr. Heimbach show up?"
696
00:45:49,642 --> 00:45:50,768
Last month I won a...
697
00:45:52,312 --> 00:45:56,009
...Unsung Heroes of Compassion
Award from the Dalai Lama.
698
00:45:56,216 --> 00:45:58,411
Sure enough,
Heimbach had testified...
699
00:45:58,585 --> 00:46:01,418
...and he told different stories
about babies...
700
00:46:01,588 --> 00:46:03,715
...who burned to death in candle fires.
701
00:46:03,857 --> 00:46:06,417
Tell you about a child
I took care of in April...
702
00:46:06,593 --> 00:46:10,222
...about a 9-week-old baby,
about the size of a teddy bear....
703
00:46:10,363 --> 00:46:12,831
And that's when Sam and I
sat down, we're like:
704
00:46:12,999 --> 00:46:15,968
"We got three babies
who died in candle fires...
705
00:46:16,136 --> 00:46:19,867
...all treated at Dr. Heimbach's hospital.
We gotta find those babies."
706
00:46:23,643 --> 00:46:25,941
So I called
the medical examiner's office.
707
00:46:26,112 --> 00:46:30,878
Asked them to run a computer program of
18 years of deaths of babies or toddlers...
708
00:46:31,051 --> 00:46:34,612
...where Dr. Heimbach
had his hospital and practice.
709
00:46:35,321 --> 00:46:38,154
There was not any death of any child...
710
00:46:38,324 --> 00:46:41,657
...that matched
Dr. Heimbach's description.
711
00:46:42,562 --> 00:46:45,827
I thought the best thing to do
was just to call him at home.
712
00:46:47,133 --> 00:46:52,662
I said, "Those kids you talked about,
did they all die in your hospital?"
713
00:46:52,839 --> 00:46:57,139
And he said,
"It wasn't factual, it was anecdotal."
714
00:46:57,310 --> 00:47:01,474
And he said, "Listen, the details
don't matter. The principle matters."
715
00:47:01,648 --> 00:47:04,549
I go, "What's the principle?"
He says, "The principle...
716
00:47:04,717 --> 00:47:08,483
...is flame retardants work." I said,
"That's not what you testified."
717
00:47:08,855 --> 00:47:11,653
And he said,
"Well, I wasn't under oath."
718
00:47:11,825 --> 00:47:15,659
Were either one of you paid for your
time here in opposition to the bill?
719
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:16,989
Citizens for Fire Safety.
720
00:47:17,163 --> 00:47:18,187
Okay, thank you.
721
00:47:18,364 --> 00:47:21,856
Citizens for Fire Safety
are paying for my trip here, yes.
722
00:47:22,035 --> 00:47:27,439
Records showed that they paid
Dr. Heimbach $2 40,000.
723
00:47:27,607 --> 00:47:30,838
So who is
Citizens for Fire Safety, right?
724
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:34,002
What they were claiming was,
they were a broad coalition.
725
00:47:34,514 --> 00:47:38,883
Their website had this picture
of five smiling kids holding...
726
00:47:39,052 --> 00:47:42,180
...a hand-drawn banner
with the words "Fire Safety" on it...
727
00:47:42,355 --> 00:47:44,414
...and there was a heart dotting the I.
728
00:47:44,591 --> 00:47:48,425
Turns out, that in California, that if
you have fewer than 50 members...
729
00:47:48,595 --> 00:47:54,090
...in your trade group, you have
to disclose who your members are.
730
00:47:56,202 --> 00:48:00,036
Who were the members? The members
were the three largest makers...
731
00:48:00,206 --> 00:48:03,698
...of flame retardants in the world.
All that was in that group.
732
00:48:03,877 --> 00:48:06,402
So there was no question...
733
00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:09,139
...Citizens for Fire Safety
was a front group.
734
00:48:10,483 --> 00:48:15,079
The story came out,
and Citizens for Fire Safety folded.
735
00:48:15,255 --> 00:48:18,349
And the law changed.
So now companies can make furniture...
736
00:48:18,491 --> 00:48:20,220
...without flame retardants.
737
00:48:20,393 --> 00:48:24,159
But that took two years
of investigating.
738
00:48:25,732 --> 00:48:30,362
Citizens for Fire Safety was pretending
to be looking out for consumers...
739
00:48:30,503 --> 00:48:34,303
...when in reality it was looking out
for the interests of its funders.
740
00:48:35,642 --> 00:48:38,634
How many other groups are out there
doing the same thing?
741
00:49:02,435 --> 00:49:05,427
In the 1980s, after I had testified,
I decided to...
742
00:49:07,273 --> 00:49:09,935
...bail out of the public aspect
of this problem...
743
00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:13,306
...because I was very uncomfortable
in that role.
744
00:49:14,314 --> 00:49:17,408
And I thought,
as the story becomes clearer...
745
00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:20,644
...we will then take the actions
that are needed.
746
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:26,019
By the year 2000, it had become so clear
that we were not doing anything.
747
00:49:29,662 --> 00:49:33,428
The science has become so clear.
748
00:49:34,334 --> 00:49:38,464
The things that we predicted
are actually happening...
749
00:49:38,638 --> 00:49:42,505
...and some of them are even
happening faster than we thought.
750
00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:45,007
The ice cap has shrunk 23 percent.
751
00:49:45,178 --> 00:49:47,578
The ice is already 50 percent smaller.
752
00:49:47,747 --> 00:49:51,683
-Every state in the U.S. set a heat record.
-Driest year in half a century.
753
00:49:51,851 --> 00:49:53,648
Massive Arizona wildfire....
754
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:57,187
This storm may be the strongest
tropical cyclone on Earth...
755
00:49:57,357 --> 00:49:59,587
-...to make landfall.
-A category five...
756
00:49:59,759 --> 00:50:03,855
...and that is only because
there are no categories above five.
757
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:07,522
We know as much about
how the climate works...
758
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:11,033
...as doctors know about
how your body works.
759
00:50:13,606 --> 00:50:18,873
The scientific method is, you have to
continually reassess your conclusions.
760
00:50:19,045 --> 00:50:23,277
As soon as there's new data, you ask,
"How does that affect my interpretation?"
761
00:50:23,483 --> 00:50:25,917
And you're open-minded.
762
00:50:26,085 --> 00:50:29,851
What we're up against is people
who have a preferred answer...
763
00:50:30,023 --> 00:50:33,481
...and so then they take
the position of a lawyer.
764
00:50:33,626 --> 00:50:37,357
They're going to defend their client,
and they will only present you...
765
00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:40,260
...with the data that favors their client.
766
00:50:42,101 --> 00:50:45,195
As the scientific community
coalesces around believing...
767
00:50:45,371 --> 00:50:49,603
...climate change is underway, it's at that
moment that we see the think tanks...
768
00:50:49,776 --> 00:50:54,008
...moving into the media environment
and trying to argue the opposite.
769
00:51:03,523 --> 00:51:06,788
In the missile age, it is vital
to try to picture in advance...
770
00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,449
...how crises might develop.
771
00:51:09,796 --> 00:51:12,094
So the idea behind a think tank
is to think.
772
00:51:12,265 --> 00:51:15,393
One early example of a think tank
is the RAND Corporation...
773
00:51:15,568 --> 00:51:17,593
...which was set up to give advice...
774
00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:21,068
...about how to solve problems
that the military faced.
775
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,074
I find it difficult to see how we could
say it was an air-dropped weapon.
776
00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:28,577
What is of use is if you have
an independent group who can...
777
00:51:28,748 --> 00:51:31,080
...look at data,
work through the issue of...
778
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,844
...what would solutions
to that problem look like.
779
00:51:34,053 --> 00:51:36,851
Is there a capability of tracking them?
I don't know.
780
00:51:37,423 --> 00:51:40,859
It devolves into something
that's highly partisan...
781
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:44,621
...and has made up its mind
in advance what the answer is.
782
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:54,631
So what we begin to see is think tanks
taking up climate change as an issue...
783
00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:59,642
...but not from the point of view of science
but from the point of view of the politics.
784
00:52:00,847 --> 00:52:05,841
And one of the first groups to do that
is the George C. Marshall Institute.
785
00:52:15,728 --> 00:52:17,855
I work on motorcycles.
786
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,794
Either the bike starts and runs right,
or it doesn't.
787
00:52:20,967 --> 00:52:24,334
And if it doesn't, there's no weaseling
your way out of the fact.
788
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,698
And I like that about it.
You might say the BS quotient is low.
789
00:52:31,644 --> 00:52:36,206
Unless you're working on Harleys, in
which case it can actually be pretty high.
790
00:52:43,689 --> 00:52:47,818
I got myself
into a PhD program at Chicago.
791
00:52:47,994 --> 00:52:51,623
So when I finished, I got a phone call
from a former teacher...
792
00:52:51,764 --> 00:52:53,925
...who informed me about this job...
793
00:52:54,133 --> 00:52:56,693
...at the Marshall Institute.
794
00:52:57,403 --> 00:53:01,032
And, you know, the salary was huge.
795
00:53:02,442 --> 00:53:06,173
At Marshall Institute, coming into it
knowing that they were sort of...
796
00:53:06,345 --> 00:53:09,337
...on the skeptical side
of the global warming stuff...
797
00:53:09,515 --> 00:53:13,383
...you know, I was more or less
down with that.
798
00:53:13,553 --> 00:53:16,852
At the same time that I started,
there was a new president.
799
00:53:17,523 --> 00:53:19,889
O'Keefe was a different kind
of animal.
800
00:53:20,059 --> 00:53:23,893
He had come
from sort of the business world...
801
00:53:24,063 --> 00:53:26,031
...so he had a different mentality.
802
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,565
He liked to mention
that he knew Karl Rove.
803
00:53:28,734 --> 00:53:32,932
So in other words, he's plugged-in
and he's an operator.
804
00:53:33,105 --> 00:53:39,044
It's an incredibly complex subject,
and it's really about politics...
805
00:53:39,212 --> 00:53:41,476
...and political control...
806
00:53:41,681 --> 00:53:47,176
...and control of economic means
of production.
807
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,811
Climate is just a mechanism.
808
00:53:50,823 --> 00:53:52,950
I'm pleased to be part
of your program...
809
00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:56,492
...and you're in the offices
of the George C. Marshall Institute.
810
00:53:57,964 --> 00:53:59,761
A small science-policy think tank.
811
00:53:59,932 --> 00:54:02,093
Is Marshall actually doing science?
812
00:54:02,268 --> 00:54:04,133
No, we're not doing science.
813
00:54:04,937 --> 00:54:09,236
What I try to do is make sure
our work reaches decision makers...
814
00:54:09,408 --> 00:54:11,239
...reaches people in the media...
815
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:15,278
...so that we are part of shaping
the public policy debate.
816
00:54:16,983 --> 00:54:21,647
I think a lot of people who get into that
think tank world start out as intellectuals...
817
00:54:21,821 --> 00:54:24,585
...but, you know,
in the mixing pot of Washington...
818
00:54:24,757 --> 00:54:27,419
...arguments become weapons.
819
00:54:27,593 --> 00:54:31,085
Part of this was gathering arguments
that were already out there...
820
00:54:31,264 --> 00:54:33,926
...they weren't always compatible
with one another.
821
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,263
Sometimes the argument was that,
"The Earth is not warming."
822
00:54:37,436 --> 00:54:41,964
We don't see a warming
of the atmosphere in the last 50 years.
823
00:54:42,141 --> 00:54:46,043
At another time the argument would be,
"Well, yes, the Earth is warming...
824
00:54:46,245 --> 00:54:48,941
...but it's not due to human activities."
825
00:54:49,115 --> 00:54:52,949
The fact that glaciers are melting
does not mean that the cause is human.
826
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,144
It only means that it's getting warmer.
827
00:54:55,321 --> 00:54:58,484
At another time the argument would be,
"Yes, it is warming...
828
00:54:58,658 --> 00:55:03,118
...and it's due to human activities, but
the cost of doing something about it...
829
00:55:03,296 --> 00:55:05,560
...would be ruinous for society."
830
00:55:05,765 --> 00:55:08,495
Of course there is a human influence
on climate.
831
00:55:08,668 --> 00:55:10,659
We've known it for a decade or more.
832
00:55:10,836 --> 00:55:13,669
If they go ahead
and regulate CO2 as a pollutant...
833
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:17,502
...it will basically stop economic growth
in the United States.
834
00:55:17,677 --> 00:55:20,771
And this is what many
of the enviros want.
835
00:55:25,317 --> 00:55:28,219
The occasion for me finally quitting...
836
00:55:28,387 --> 00:55:31,151
...was that I got a call
from somebody...
837
00:55:31,324 --> 00:55:37,388
...who was updating
a directory of lobbyists...
838
00:55:39,832 --> 00:55:43,529
...and they wanted to know
if Bill O'Keefe...
839
00:55:43,703 --> 00:55:47,400
...was indeed the president
of the George C. Marshall Institute.
840
00:55:47,573 --> 00:55:51,532
I said, "Yeah, but why are you asking?
841
00:55:51,711 --> 00:55:55,340
Why--? Is he part of this directory?"
And they said, "Yes."
842
00:55:56,616 --> 00:56:02,248
I confronted O'Keefe and said,
"Are you a registered lobbyist?"
843
00:56:02,421 --> 00:56:04,616
And he got extremely angry.
844
00:56:04,824 --> 00:56:09,818
I tried to get him to tell me, if he was,
who his clients were. He wouldn't tell me.
845
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:13,225
And when you went to Marshall...
846
00:56:13,399 --> 00:56:18,336
...were you still connected in any way
to the petroleum business?
847
00:56:19,538 --> 00:56:23,440
I think I had--
Yes, I had an oil company as a client.
848
00:56:23,609 --> 00:56:28,342
So were you a lobbyist
when you went to work for Marshall?
849
00:56:28,481 --> 00:56:31,382
I was still registered as a lobbyist.
850
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:35,145
That seemed
utterly preposterous to me...
851
00:56:35,354 --> 00:56:37,254
...that you would have...
852
00:56:37,423 --> 00:56:42,292
...as the president of a think tank
a guy who's a registered lobbyist.
853
00:56:42,461 --> 00:56:46,921
It's just the whole pretense of the place
goes out the window at that point.
854
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,130
And so we had sort of a blowup
and I quit.
855
00:56:52,371 --> 00:56:57,399
So for me, at least, there's more
real thinking going on in a bike shop...
856
00:56:57,576 --> 00:57:00,010
...than there was in the think tank.
857
00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:04,313
If you were hired by
a Greenpeace organization to figure out...
858
00:57:04,483 --> 00:57:08,817
...how to present climate as a problem,
what would you--?
859
00:57:08,988 --> 00:57:12,890
-What would you suggest to them?
-They couldn't afford me.
860
00:57:15,161 --> 00:57:18,494
At the same time
O'Keefe is a lobbyist for ExxonMobil....
861
00:57:19,932 --> 00:57:23,834
When I was at Greenpeace, we looked
into who was funding these think tanks.
862
00:57:25,705 --> 00:57:28,003
And you started to find ExxonMobil...
863
00:57:28,174 --> 00:57:30,209
...and the Koch brothers
and the Southern Company.
864
00:57:30,209 --> 00:57:31,471
...and the Koch brothers
and the Southern Company.
865
00:57:31,644 --> 00:57:36,274
ExxonMobil has been a major funder
of climate change disinformation.
866
00:57:37,616 --> 00:57:39,982
They funded
over 30 different organizations...
867
00:57:40,152 --> 00:57:41,949
...that promoted disinformation...
868
00:57:42,121 --> 00:57:44,988
...or misleading information
about climate change.
869
00:57:45,925 --> 00:57:48,018
Nobody's gonna believe ExxonMobil.
870
00:57:48,194 --> 00:57:52,563
But if they can say it through somebody
else who seems independent...
871
00:57:52,732 --> 00:57:54,632
...there's power in that for them.
872
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,031
Myron Ebell is Director of Energy
and Global Warming Policy...
873
00:57:58,204 --> 00:58:00,229
...for Competitive Enterprise
Institute.
874
00:58:00,439 --> 00:58:03,499
Senior fellow and science director
of Heartland Institute.
875
00:58:03,676 --> 00:58:07,578
-The idea that cooling....
-It creates a new cast of characters.
876
00:58:07,747 --> 00:58:11,843
These people who become well-known
for casting doubt on global warming.
877
00:58:12,017 --> 00:58:15,578
-Dr. Marlo Lewis, a senior fellow....
-What these institutes do...
878
00:58:15,755 --> 00:58:19,486
...is they promote their own "experts"
as contrary experts...
879
00:58:19,658 --> 00:58:23,560
...who give you the "other side"
of the issue, and journalists fall for it.
880
00:58:23,729 --> 00:58:27,597
-Fall for it lock, stock, and barrel.
-Let's talk to a couple of experts.
881
00:58:27,767 --> 00:58:30,167
-Joining us....
-Scientists will be invited...
882
00:58:30,336 --> 00:58:33,396
...to explain the science
and then against the scientist...
883
00:58:33,572 --> 00:58:37,372
...they will have a so-called expert
from a think tank.
884
00:58:37,543 --> 00:58:40,512
And so the public is presented
with dueling experts.
885
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:44,410
Steven Zebiak is General Director
of International Research Institute...
886
00:58:44,583 --> 00:58:46,608
...and Climate and Society at Columbia.
887
00:58:46,786 --> 00:58:49,982
James Taylor is a senior fellow
at the Heartland Institute.
888
00:58:50,122 --> 00:58:52,784
If you actually ask
what are their credentials...
889
00:58:52,992 --> 00:58:55,586
...the answer's often very little,
sometimes none.
890
00:58:55,761 --> 00:59:00,789
In college, I majored in government.
I also took atmospheric science courses.
891
00:59:03,135 --> 00:59:05,933
That makes me well-positioned
to bring together...
892
00:59:06,105 --> 00:59:11,008
...all the aspects of this debate because
it's scientific, it's economic, it's political.
893
00:59:13,412 --> 00:59:18,509
There are think tanks that do nothing
but crank out op-ed pieces every day.
894
00:59:19,051 --> 00:59:22,885
If you start tracking them, you'll see
it's the same handful of people...
895
00:59:23,055 --> 00:59:26,024
...that just keep pumping out
this material.
896
00:59:26,792 --> 00:59:30,819
Some of these so-called experts,
they become go-to people.
897
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:34,591
A handful of them turn out
to be very, very good at it.
898
00:59:37,403 --> 00:59:40,930
The global warming alarm spread
by Al Gore and the United Nations...
899
00:59:41,106 --> 00:59:43,097
...is in utter scientific collapse.
900
00:59:43,275 --> 00:59:46,438
We've gone 18 years without global
warming according to data.
901
00:59:46,612 --> 00:59:50,605
Akin to medieval witchcraft where we
blame witches for controlling weather.
902
00:59:50,916 --> 00:59:54,750
You were described as the godfather
of climate change denying.
903
00:59:54,919 --> 00:59:58,048
-The mastermind of the whole-- Yes.
-Yeah. Yeah.
904
00:59:58,190 --> 01:00:01,091
What do you call yourself?
Are you...?
905
01:00:03,596 --> 01:00:05,826
What do I call myself?
906
01:00:08,167 --> 01:00:11,193
I guess I'm an environmental journalist
on some level.
907
01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:15,067
After the Greens out there finish puking
after hearing me say that...
908
01:00:15,207 --> 01:00:17,573
...I will say, that's how I started.
909
01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:19,701
And will, to the best of my ability--
910
01:00:21,113 --> 01:00:24,105
I was a volunteer for Ronald Reagan
in 1980, at age 12.
911
01:00:24,283 --> 01:00:25,682
When you were growing up...
912
01:00:25,851 --> 01:00:28,786
-...you were a door-to-door salesman?
-Yeah.
913
01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:33,615
I learned so much
from door-to-door sales.
914
01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:36,283
I did gutter cleaning.
915
01:00:36,462 --> 01:00:39,329
You learn then
what communication tactics worked...
916
01:00:39,498 --> 01:00:41,295
...and what didn't.
917
01:00:41,467 --> 01:00:44,595
How did you meet Rush Limbaugh?
918
01:00:44,737 --> 01:00:47,968
Rush Limbaugh I met in 1991.
919
01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:49,402
Our man in Washington...
920
01:00:49,608 --> 01:00:53,009
...an ever more and more
popular part of this show.
921
01:00:53,178 --> 01:00:54,839
There he is sneaking in.
922
01:00:55,014 --> 01:00:58,541
I used to hang out at the men's room
at these events...
923
01:00:58,717 --> 01:01:02,118
...so I'd guarantee
I'd get just about every big name.
924
01:01:02,254 --> 01:01:04,745
As the night went on,
they'd be drinking more...
925
01:01:04,924 --> 01:01:07,358
...so you'd always get
much better interviews.
926
01:01:07,526 --> 01:01:08,891
Women should deny sex...
927
01:01:10,262 --> 01:01:12,890
...until we clean up this planet.
Not all women.
928
01:01:13,065 --> 01:01:16,034
You decided to go to work
for Senator James Inhofe.
929
01:01:16,201 --> 01:01:19,432
-Wow, you're jumping. Okay.
-Your energy--
930
01:01:19,638 --> 01:01:23,506
I thought this was Marc Morano, my life.
No. Oh, okay.
931
01:01:25,244 --> 01:01:29,943
-Catastrophic global warming is a hoax.
-I got a call from Inhofe's office...
932
01:01:30,149 --> 01:01:33,744
...to be the new communications
director. It was the lowest point...
933
01:01:33,919 --> 01:01:38,253
...when I started, in June 2008,
for global warming skeptics.
934
01:01:47,967 --> 01:01:51,232
If you look at the 10 hottest years
ever measured...
935
01:01:51,403 --> 01:01:53,963
...they've all occurred
in the last 14 years...
936
01:01:54,173 --> 01:01:57,108
...and the hottest of all was 2005.
937
01:01:58,777 --> 01:02:01,075
Al Gore's film--
I'd just watched the movie.
938
01:02:01,246 --> 01:02:04,181
I watched it the week
before I started the job.
939
01:02:05,784 --> 01:02:09,311
It was poised to win awards.
Later, he won the Nobel Prize for it.
940
01:02:09,488 --> 01:02:12,116
So we decided for Inhofe
to go on the offensive.
941
01:02:12,291 --> 01:02:14,691
NASA scientist
and alarmist James Hansen--
942
01:02:14,827 --> 01:02:18,786
He's NASA's vocal man-made-
global-warming-fear soothsayer--
943
01:02:18,964 --> 01:02:21,797
He'd say almost anything
you asked him to say.
944
01:02:21,967 --> 01:02:25,630
On some levels, it was not so much
directly talking about science...
945
01:02:25,804 --> 01:02:28,705
...but it was going after
the scientists themselves?
946
01:02:28,841 --> 01:02:31,900
I mean, that was a change
that you brought to Inhofe.
947
01:02:32,077 --> 01:02:34,238
Yes, in fact we went after...
948
01:02:34,413 --> 01:02:37,007
...James Hansen
and Michael Oppenheimer...
949
01:02:37,216 --> 01:02:39,150
...and had a lot of fun with it.
950
01:02:40,586 --> 01:02:42,520
We mocked and ridiculed Hansen.
951
01:02:42,721 --> 01:02:45,349
I couldn't believe they let me do this.
952
01:02:48,494 --> 01:02:51,827
I did a two-part, 10,000-word,
scathing critique on Hansen.
953
01:02:53,499 --> 01:02:58,129
I'm not gonna question his scientific work,
but in terms of his influencing the public.
954
01:02:58,303 --> 01:03:01,739
And actually his scientific work
isn't really in question...
955
01:03:01,874 --> 01:03:05,173
...it's more of his public claims
and publicity and interviews.
956
01:03:05,344 --> 01:03:09,542
I still felt restrained,
so I started doing what I call...
957
01:03:09,748 --> 01:03:11,648
... "the underground newsletters"...
958
01:03:11,817 --> 01:03:15,048
...which went much further
than anything else, had more fun...
959
01:03:15,254 --> 01:03:17,984
...more humor, wit, sarcasm,
and sometimes nastiness.
960
01:03:18,157 --> 01:03:20,887
That went out and became
the basis for Climate Depot.
961
01:03:24,495 --> 01:03:26,828
This is the new media's new world.
962
01:03:26,999 --> 01:03:30,958
This is an office where you rent it
as you need it, but we all know...
963
01:03:31,136 --> 01:03:34,537
...most of the work happens
on the road or in your home office.
964
01:03:34,706 --> 01:03:38,198
They find no evidence
of a human fingerprint in that drought.
965
01:03:39,278 --> 01:03:42,270
A lot of it's done in a taxicab
heading to, you know...
966
01:03:42,414 --> 01:03:46,043
...Fox News or CNN studio,
or even on the runway in an airplane.
967
01:03:46,218 --> 01:03:48,982
James Hansen,
I call him NASA's resident ex-con...
968
01:03:49,154 --> 01:03:53,090
...is inspiring these people
to potential acts of eco-terrorism.
969
01:03:55,027 --> 01:03:57,359
Communication is about sales.
Keep it simple.
970
01:03:57,529 --> 01:04:01,158
People will fill in the blank with their own,
I hate to say biases...
971
01:04:01,332 --> 01:04:03,164
...but with their own perspective.
972
01:04:03,335 --> 01:04:06,736
A global environmental organization
that'll police the world.
973
01:04:08,073 --> 01:04:10,871
Think of the-- Our own EPA,
that speaks French.
974
01:04:11,043 --> 01:04:14,376
I'm not a scientist, although I do
play one on TV occasionally.
975
01:04:14,546 --> 01:04:16,537
Okay, hell, more than occasionally.
976
01:04:16,715 --> 01:04:19,684
Joining me, Bill Nye the Science Guy
and Marc Morano.
977
01:04:19,852 --> 01:04:23,344
You go up against a scientist,
most of them...
978
01:04:23,522 --> 01:04:27,686
...are gonna be in their own little,
policy-wonk world or area of expertise.
979
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:32,923
So you look in the ice
and you find bubbles of trapped gas--
980
01:04:33,098 --> 01:04:36,829
Very arcane, very hard to understand,
hard to explain...
981
01:04:36,969 --> 01:04:39,130
...and very boring.
982
01:04:39,338 --> 01:04:42,068
Bottom line, new study
in Nature, peer-reviewed...
983
01:04:42,241 --> 01:04:44,835
...no change in U.S. drought
in the last 80 years.
984
01:04:44,977 --> 01:04:46,945
Bottom line,
a new study out shows--
985
01:04:47,112 --> 01:04:50,878
You can't be afraid of the absolute
hand-to-hand combat, metaphorically.
986
01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:53,950
You've gotta name names,
you gotta go after individuals.
987
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,953
You can't just go after a system.
I think that's what I enjoy the most...
988
01:04:58,123 --> 01:05:01,752
...is going after the individuals,
where something lives or dies.
989
01:05:04,963 --> 01:05:09,366
As a scientist, you're trained to defend
the science that you do.
990
01:05:09,501 --> 01:05:11,731
What you don't expect
is to have people...
991
01:05:11,903 --> 01:05:14,771
...threaten you with all kinds
of dire consequences...
992
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:18,967
...for continuing to do the research
that you do.
993
01:05:20,179 --> 01:05:26,118
I was contacted by the IPCC
to act as convening lead author...
994
01:05:26,285 --> 01:05:31,689
...for one chapter
of the second assessment report.
995
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:36,190
That final sentence,
"The balance of evidence suggests...
996
01:05:36,395 --> 01:05:39,193
...a discernible human influence
on global climate"...
997
01:05:39,398 --> 01:05:43,129
...was finalized
at the end of November, 1995.
998
01:05:43,302 --> 01:05:48,330
I had no idea that my life
would be so dramatically changed...
999
01:05:48,507 --> 01:05:49,906
...by that one sentence.
1000
01:05:50,676 --> 01:05:53,406
These are a few e-mails...
1001
01:05:53,545 --> 01:05:57,037
...from a large number of e-mails
that I received.
1002
01:05:57,216 --> 01:06:01,710
"Yeah, you-- You arrogant,
fucking piece-of-crap con man.
1003
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,480
I hope you are hung
by your pathetic, little neck.
1004
01:06:04,656 --> 01:06:07,784
I'd love nothing more than
to beat you with a large stick...
1005
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,656
...you shit-eating Yank. Go die."
1006
01:06:10,829 --> 01:06:15,664
It's possible I posted Santer's e-mail
in the early days of Climate Depot.
1007
01:06:15,834 --> 01:06:18,324
He's far from the only one
I've done that to.
1008
01:06:18,503 --> 01:06:22,462
"You're an effing terrorist,
you and your colleagues...
1009
01:06:22,641 --> 01:06:25,974
...ought to be fed to the pigs,
along with your whole families."
1010
01:06:27,346 --> 01:06:31,510
"How come no one has beat
the living piss out of you yet?
1011
01:06:31,683 --> 01:06:36,143
I was hoping I would see the news
and you committed suicide."
1012
01:06:36,321 --> 01:06:39,882
"You stupid bitch. I would like
to see you convicted and beheaded.
1013
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,560
If you have a child, then women
in the future will be even more leery...
1014
01:06:45,731 --> 01:06:49,963
...of lying to get ahead when they see
your baby crying next to the guillotine."
1015
01:06:50,102 --> 01:06:53,162
Sometimes it's one a week.
When your e-mail address...
1016
01:06:53,337 --> 01:06:58,605
...gets posted online at Morano's website,
it's 200 or more in a day.
1017
01:06:58,777 --> 01:07:02,975
Well, I think the most disturbing e-mails
and letters were ones that...
1018
01:07:03,115 --> 01:07:05,174
...suggest there will be harm to you...
1019
01:07:05,350 --> 01:07:07,784
...direct physical harm to you
and your family.
1020
01:07:07,986 --> 01:07:10,011
I don't know what his complaint is--
1021
01:07:10,188 --> 01:07:14,022
-I'll give you the philosophy behind it.
-Yeah, that's more important.
1022
01:07:14,192 --> 01:07:16,626
Is he ready?
This is one of my favorite topics.
1023
01:07:16,795 --> 01:07:21,289
In fact, I got on ABC Nightly News
just because I posted e-mails.
1024
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:22,797
I did a whole segment.
1025
01:07:23,001 --> 01:07:25,799
The public is appropriately angry
at these scientists.
1026
01:07:26,004 --> 01:07:29,804
No one's advocating violence,
but it is refreshing to see...
1027
01:07:30,008 --> 01:07:32,499
...these scientists hear from the public.
1028
01:07:32,644 --> 01:07:36,273
I think people should be thanking me.
I was doing a service.
1029
01:07:36,448 --> 01:07:40,282
People go, "Oh, your death threats."
I get death threats. I enjoy them.
1030
01:07:40,452 --> 01:07:43,819
It was one of the healthiest things
that could have happened...
1031
01:07:44,022 --> 01:07:45,319
...in the climate debate.
1032
01:07:45,524 --> 01:07:48,794
I make no apologies.
I still do it. I enjoy doing it.
1033
01:07:52,264 --> 01:07:55,722
Every time we see the world
beginning to act on the science...
1034
01:07:55,901 --> 01:07:58,802
...we see some kind of attack
designed to undermine it.
1035
01:08:00,238 --> 01:08:04,834
1995, the IPCC comes out with its
second assessment report that says...
1036
01:08:05,043 --> 01:08:07,477
...yes, there's climate change.
What do we get?
1037
01:08:07,646 --> 01:08:12,083
Massive attack on Ben Santer,
who's the lead author of the key chapter.
1038
01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:15,913
In the second case, before the run-up
to the Kyoto negotiations...
1039
01:08:16,088 --> 01:08:19,148
...when it looked like the world
was going to agree...
1040
01:08:19,324 --> 01:08:20,916
...we had the Oregon Petition.
1041
01:08:22,461 --> 01:08:24,793
It's a completely discredited document...
1042
01:08:24,963 --> 01:08:27,932
...nevertheless, it did a lot of damage.
1043
01:08:29,067 --> 01:08:32,434
Third time, Copenhagen.
Finally, we're gonna get an agreement.
1044
01:08:32,604 --> 01:08:35,300
The U.S. is on board.
Obama has gone to Copenhagen.
1045
01:08:35,474 --> 01:08:37,442
What do we get? Climategate.
1046
01:08:37,609 --> 01:08:40,373
A new scandal
that's burning up the Net these days...
1047
01:08:40,579 --> 01:08:43,776
...that began with e-mails
that were stolen--
1048
01:08:43,949 --> 01:08:47,214
Suddenly, we see this release
of stolen e-mails.
1049
01:08:47,386 --> 01:08:50,219
Lines taken out of context
to make it seem as if...
1050
01:08:50,389 --> 01:08:53,381
...scientists were involved
in nefarious activities.
1051
01:08:53,592 --> 01:08:56,527
People started saying,
"What's going on in Copenhagen?"
1052
01:08:56,695 --> 01:08:59,687
This is the upper echelon
of the U.N. It's been exposed...
1053
01:08:59,865 --> 01:09:03,494
...as the best science that politics
and activists can manufacture.
1054
01:09:03,668 --> 01:09:07,001
My initial reaction with the Climategate,
I thought, "Okay...
1055
01:09:07,172 --> 01:09:10,164
...gosh, I hope I didn't flip
at the wrong point there.
1056
01:09:10,342 --> 01:09:12,207
Maybe this is all baloney."
1057
01:09:12,377 --> 01:09:15,676
When you actually read the e-mails
in context, you go, "Okay...
1058
01:09:15,847 --> 01:09:19,647
...he's not actually saying what
Rush Limbaugh said he was saying."
1059
01:09:19,818 --> 01:09:23,413
There's been three investigations
into Climategate, where they had...
1060
01:09:23,622 --> 01:09:27,217
...independent committees go through
every e-mail. There was nothing.
1061
01:09:27,392 --> 01:09:30,361
They were trying
to find yet new ways to weaken...
1062
01:09:30,529 --> 01:09:33,327
...this growing international accord.
1063
01:09:33,498 --> 01:09:36,831
All they have to do is slow down action.
1064
01:09:37,903 --> 01:09:41,066
Gridlock is the greatest friend
a global warming skeptic has.
1065
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:44,936
That's all you really want.
There's no legislation we're championing.
1066
01:09:45,143 --> 01:09:47,907
We're the negative force,
just trying to stop stuff.
1067
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,843
It's all about distraction,
it's all about confusion.
1068
01:09:51,016 --> 01:09:54,543
It's about preventing you from looking
where the action really is...
1069
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,209
...which is in the science.
1070
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,666
Misdirection is the use
of the little lie to sell the big lie.
1071
01:10:12,804 --> 01:10:17,070
The big lie and the floating lady,
the classic levitation illusion...
1072
01:10:17,242 --> 01:10:21,303
...is the mechanism that's used
to make the woman rise.
1073
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:25,280
The little lie is the passing of the hoop.
1074
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:27,384
The floating raises your skepticism.
1075
01:10:27,552 --> 01:10:29,918
There must be a wire.
There must be threads.
1076
01:10:30,088 --> 01:10:31,578
There must be something.
1077
01:10:31,756 --> 01:10:38,127
And then the hoop is used
to specifically undo that. Cancel that.
1078
01:10:38,296 --> 01:10:41,390
So, really, misdirection is about focus.
1079
01:10:41,566 --> 01:10:44,592
It's not so much about directing away
or misdirecting...
1080
01:10:44,769 --> 01:10:46,100
...it's about direction.
1081
01:10:46,271 --> 01:10:50,332
It's about bringing your attention
to something that engages you.
1082
01:10:50,509 --> 01:10:54,312
And then, you don't see
anything else in the frame.
1083
01:11:07,292 --> 01:11:11,786
The tobacco companies knew
they have to appeal to something more...
1084
01:11:11,963 --> 01:11:14,659
...basic than this intellectual pursuit
of science.
1085
01:11:14,833 --> 01:11:16,858
How do you do it?
Do it with freedom.
1086
01:11:17,035 --> 01:11:19,970
That's the way freedom dies.
Today it's smoking.
1087
01:11:20,138 --> 01:11:22,265
But what will they try to regulate next?
1088
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:26,137
What will they try to regulate next?
What we can say? What we can read?
1089
01:11:26,311 --> 01:11:29,974
I don't want Big Brother breathing
down my neck telling me what to do.
1090
01:11:30,148 --> 01:11:32,309
Not just for smokers
but for nonsmokers...
1091
01:11:32,484 --> 01:11:35,248
...and all others
who want to live their lives...
1092
01:11:35,387 --> 01:11:38,788
...making their own decisions,
not having them made for them...
1093
01:11:38,957 --> 01:11:42,620
...by the benevolent bureaucracy
of Washington wisdom or these other--
1094
01:11:42,794 --> 01:11:45,558
By turning it into an abstract issue
of freedom...
1095
01:11:45,764 --> 01:11:48,631
...and moving it away
from their corporate interests...
1096
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,066
...they can get people behind it.
Who can possibly be against freedom?
1097
01:11:53,271 --> 01:11:55,762
What happened was,
these other companies...
1098
01:11:55,907 --> 01:12:00,003
...and other industries realized, like:
"Hey, this is a pretty good idea."
1099
01:12:05,383 --> 01:12:09,547
Everywhere you turn, somebody
is telling us what we can't eat.
1100
01:12:09,721 --> 01:12:13,885
Do you ever feel like you're
always being told what not to do?
1101
01:12:14,059 --> 01:12:16,220
These people tell us where to work...
1102
01:12:16,394 --> 01:12:19,227
...how many children to have,
how much energy to use...
1103
01:12:19,397 --> 01:12:21,024
...how much water we can--
1104
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,032
On global warming,
you see the same thing happening.
1105
01:12:24,202 --> 01:12:29,435
For literally decades, David Koch
has been just a tireless defender...
1106
01:12:29,608 --> 01:12:32,042
...of our economic
and individual freedoms.
1107
01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:34,371
I'd like to introduce
to you David Koch...
1108
01:12:34,546 --> 01:12:37,174
...our chairman
at the Americans for Prosperity.
1109
01:12:42,053 --> 01:12:47,889
Koch Industries is heavily invested
in coal, oil, tar sands.
1110
01:12:48,059 --> 01:12:51,051
They are some of the biggest polluters
in the country...
1111
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:53,129
...received the largest fines.
1112
01:12:54,833 --> 01:12:58,360
They needed an army of people
to fight against regulation...
1113
01:12:58,536 --> 01:13:01,334
...in the name of freedom.
1114
01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:05,972
Good afternoon,
fellow freedom fighters!
1115
01:13:06,411 --> 01:13:10,472
The group, Americans for Prosperity,
is holding a nationwide...
1116
01:13:10,649 --> 01:13:12,412
...hot-air balloon tour.
1117
01:13:12,584 --> 01:13:15,644
They're spreading a message
of global warming alarmism...
1118
01:13:15,854 --> 01:13:18,755
...lost jobs, higher taxes,
and less freedom.
1119
01:13:18,923 --> 01:13:22,222
Over eight years ago,
we launched Americans for Prosperity...
1120
01:13:24,562 --> 01:13:28,555
...and the goal behind it
was to provide grassroots support...
1121
01:13:28,733 --> 01:13:31,065
...at the local and state level...
1122
01:13:31,236 --> 01:13:33,932
...to push free-market policies.
1123
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:39,107
And we have just over two million
people who've taken action.
1124
01:13:39,878 --> 01:13:41,971
We now have an army too.
1125
01:13:43,415 --> 01:13:47,283
Do you try to figure out
if the science is real or not?
1126
01:13:47,452 --> 01:13:51,013
-Or you don't even think of that?
-No. We're on the economic side.
1127
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:52,178
Howdy.
1128
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:56,326
We study what they'll do to American
people in the name of global warming.
1129
01:13:56,494 --> 01:13:59,463
They won't drill for oil.
Guys, let's get moving here.
1130
01:13:59,631 --> 01:14:03,533
Come on, it's not a really hard--
Not a really hard decision. Let's--
1131
01:14:03,702 --> 01:14:06,694
For a long time it was just,
hey, An Inconvenient Truth...
1132
01:14:06,905 --> 01:14:10,966
...and all these polar bears that seemed
to be drowning and horrible things...
1133
01:14:11,142 --> 01:14:14,134
...that seemed to be happening.
A lot of Americans said:
1134
01:14:14,312 --> 01:14:16,337
"Gosh. That seems like a bad thing."
1135
01:14:16,514 --> 01:14:19,711
But then, through the education efforts
of a lot of groups...
1136
01:14:19,917 --> 01:14:22,284
...like Americans for Prosperity
and others...
1137
01:14:22,454 --> 01:14:25,821
...Americans began going,
"Wait, I'll pay more for everything.
1138
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:27,958
It means a little bit less freedom."
1139
01:14:28,126 --> 01:14:30,686
I think the American public
has moved our way.
1140
01:14:30,862 --> 01:14:32,989
The polls confirm that.
1141
01:14:33,164 --> 01:14:35,530
We want to make sure
that both parties know...
1142
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:38,870
...we'll hold them accountable.
Republicans, too, absolutely.
1143
01:14:43,341 --> 01:14:46,333
Should I think of you as a liberal,
a conservative, or...?
1144
01:14:46,511 --> 01:14:49,071
Pretty conservative
is how you should think of me.
1145
01:14:50,582 --> 01:14:53,176
Ninety-three American Conservative
Union Rating...
1146
01:14:53,351 --> 01:14:56,445
...100 percent Christian Coalition,
National Right to Life.
1147
01:14:56,588 --> 01:15:01,355
With your help,
we can reclaim the Congress.
1148
01:15:01,526 --> 01:15:04,256
I represented the 4th District
of South Carolina...
1149
01:15:04,462 --> 01:15:09,058
...which is probably the reddest district
in the reddest state in the nation.
1150
01:15:10,034 --> 01:15:12,867
When I was first in Congress,
I was a complete denier.
1151
01:15:13,037 --> 01:15:16,598
I said, "That's hooey, absolute nonsense.
Al Gore's imagination."
1152
01:15:16,775 --> 01:15:21,474
I just that knew if it was coming from
the other team, it had to be wrong.
1153
01:15:24,549 --> 01:15:26,483
I got on the science committee...
1154
01:15:26,618 --> 01:15:31,681
...and had the opportunity to go
to Antarctica twice, actually.
1155
01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:35,022
I saw the evidence in the ice core.
1156
01:15:35,193 --> 01:15:38,094
You can pull it up
and examine the CO2 levels.
1157
01:15:38,263 --> 01:15:39,924
They were really stable.
1158
01:15:40,098 --> 01:15:43,761
And then coinciding with the
industrial revolution, there's an uptick.
1159
01:15:43,935 --> 01:15:48,929
The chemistry is real clear, that you're
changing the chemistry of the air.
1160
01:15:49,107 --> 01:15:51,507
So I decided,
really right then and there...
1161
01:15:51,643 --> 01:15:54,237
...I'm gonna go back
and I'm gonna do something.
1162
01:15:56,047 --> 01:15:58,572
Madam Speaker,
what I'd like to say tonight...
1163
01:15:58,750 --> 01:16:01,776
...is that there is a need to act--
1164
01:16:01,953 --> 01:16:04,649
And to come together
to find a solution...
1165
01:16:04,823 --> 01:16:08,759
...that breaks our addiction to oil,
that creates new energy jobs...
1166
01:16:08,927 --> 01:16:10,519
...and that cleans up the air.
1167
01:16:10,662 --> 01:16:12,653
That was to my great peril...
1168
01:16:12,831 --> 01:16:16,130
...with the Tea Party coming
and the Great Recession happening.
1169
01:16:20,939 --> 01:16:24,033
Tim Phillips is helping to organize
some protest parties.
1170
01:16:24,175 --> 01:16:26,803
It's a genuine grassroots uprising.
1171
01:16:26,978 --> 01:16:30,345
Groups like Americans For Prosperity,
we're organizing.
1172
01:16:32,617 --> 01:16:36,451
There's a tide of doubt that comes out
of the Great Recession...
1173
01:16:36,621 --> 01:16:39,613
...where we started to doubt
every institution, you know.
1174
01:16:40,124 --> 01:16:42,752
Along comes some people
that see the opportunity.
1175
01:16:42,927 --> 01:16:45,623
Coming up next is
a global warming tax.
1176
01:16:45,797 --> 01:16:48,288
It's a pretty cold night
in April here, right?
1177
01:16:49,434 --> 01:16:52,267
Americans For Prosperity has
been amazingly effective.
1178
01:16:52,437 --> 01:16:57,374
They're able to organize
that discontent.
1179
01:16:57,575 --> 01:16:59,975
In the name of Al Gore-ism.
1180
01:17:00,144 --> 01:17:04,171
And by the way, can we just talk
about Al Gore for a moment?
1181
01:17:06,384 --> 01:17:10,514
If you see Republicans
becoming sympathetic...
1182
01:17:10,688 --> 01:17:16,217
...to carbon tax, do you view it as
your job to knock those guys out?
1183
01:17:16,394 --> 01:17:18,589
Well, we hold both parties accountable.
1184
01:17:18,730 --> 01:17:21,392
We don't always see eye to eye,
do we, Newt?
1185
01:17:21,599 --> 01:17:26,468
No, but we do agree our country must
take action to address climate change.
1186
01:17:26,638 --> 01:17:30,870
The facts of global warming
demand our urgent attention.
1187
01:17:31,042 --> 01:17:32,737
We have had climate change.
1188
01:17:32,911 --> 01:17:35,402
Clearly, humans have something
to do with it.
1189
01:17:35,613 --> 01:17:38,411
I remember in the mid-2000s,
so many Republicans...
1190
01:17:38,616 --> 01:17:43,144
...they had a lot of the same tenets of faith
that Democrats still many have today.
1191
01:17:43,321 --> 01:17:46,119
Well, I think the risks
of climate change are real.
1192
01:17:46,257 --> 01:17:48,657
I think human activity
is contributing to it.
1193
01:17:48,826 --> 01:17:51,624
Those days are over.
Few Republicans play that game.
1194
01:17:51,763 --> 01:17:53,355
A lot of Democrats bailed too.
1195
01:17:53,531 --> 01:17:56,159
You have Newt Gingrich
at the beginning of '08...
1196
01:17:56,334 --> 01:17:58,632
...on the couch with Nancy Pelosi.
1197
01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,830
And by the end of 2008....
1198
01:18:02,006 --> 01:18:04,531
Do you believe
in man-made global warming?
1199
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:06,199
I don't think we know.
1200
01:18:07,912 --> 01:18:13,873
My view is that we don't know what's
causing climate change on this planet.
1201
01:18:14,052 --> 01:18:19,684
George, the idea that carbon dioxide
is harmful to our environment...
1202
01:18:19,857 --> 01:18:21,757
...is almost comical.
1203
01:18:21,926 --> 01:18:24,724
We've run TV ads
in Republican states...
1204
01:18:24,896 --> 01:18:27,421
...with Republican senators,
like South Carolina.
1205
01:18:29,033 --> 01:18:30,694
Sit down!
1206
01:18:43,081 --> 01:18:45,709
What happened in your election?
1207
01:18:46,417 --> 01:18:47,941
Well, it wasn't even close.
1208
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:51,782
Bob Inglis ran into a buzz saw
of voter frustration with incumbents.
1209
01:18:51,956 --> 01:18:54,424
Inglis lost every county in the district.
1210
01:18:54,592 --> 01:18:57,959
He is a seasoned congressman
going down to a huge defeat tonight.
1211
01:19:10,942 --> 01:19:15,140
Are we--? Is there not cell phone
reception? Where are we?
1212
01:19:16,981 --> 01:19:18,744
Can you hear me now?
1213
01:19:19,717 --> 01:19:24,416
Did Price brief you on the climate views
of this radio show?
1214
01:19:24,589 --> 01:19:25,613
No.
1215
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:28,224
All right, well,
we better find that out, huh?
1216
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:31,021
We can turn on the radio,
see what he's saying.
1217
01:19:45,343 --> 01:19:51,873
We're after-- The target audience
is red-state Republicans.
1218
01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:55,781
And so I think we found some...
1219
01:19:55,953 --> 01:19:58,615
-...in Mississippi.
-From SuperTalk Mississippi....
1220
01:19:58,790 --> 01:20:01,850
Eight-o-two. We go on at 8:08.
1221
01:20:02,026 --> 01:20:06,895
Paul Gallo, a shining example
of the Fairness Doctrine as it should be.
1222
01:20:07,065 --> 01:20:10,466
You think polar bears are in trouble?
No, they're not in trouble.
1223
01:20:10,635 --> 01:20:13,866
In some cases, we've got
more polar bears than we've ever had.
1224
01:20:14,038 --> 01:20:17,633
We got polar-bear problems out there
in some cases.
1225
01:20:24,382 --> 01:20:28,216
Former South Carolina GOP
Representative Bob Inglis...
1226
01:20:28,386 --> 01:20:30,718
...is urging conservatives
to stop denying...
1227
01:20:30,888 --> 01:20:33,482
...humans are contributing
to global warming.
1228
01:20:33,658 --> 01:20:36,183
I don't understand.
How do you come up with this?
1229
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,421
Because to me, every fiber in my body
is saying you're a conservative.
1230
01:20:40,598 --> 01:20:42,896
You can't believe this,
that conservatives--
1231
01:20:43,067 --> 01:20:48,164
You're asking me, as a dyed-in-the-wool
native-born Mississippian...
1232
01:20:48,339 --> 01:20:52,105
...will die here and blessed to do so...
1233
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:55,871
...to believe that humans are responsible
for global warming...
1234
01:20:56,047 --> 01:20:57,742
...and we must admit that.
1235
01:20:57,915 --> 01:20:59,109
Mic's yours, sir.
1236
01:20:59,317 --> 01:21:02,616
The challenge here is
it's a conversation started by liberals.
1237
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:06,187
What we're used to, as conservatives,
is they gin up hysteria...
1238
01:21:06,357 --> 01:21:09,622
...and then they drive through regulations
and tax increases...
1239
01:21:09,827 --> 01:21:11,021
...and grow government.
1240
01:21:11,195 --> 01:21:17,191
And so it's natural that we respond
with, "No, we don't wanna do that."
1241
01:21:17,902 --> 01:21:20,962
But what if we had
a different conversation?
1242
01:21:21,139 --> 01:21:22,469
It's all about economics.
1243
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,973
You're taxing something
you want more of, which is income...
1244
01:21:26,144 --> 01:21:31,104
...and you're not taxing something
you maybe want less of, which is CO2.
1245
01:21:31,282 --> 01:21:34,615
Why do we need to be talking
about the global-warming tax again?
1246
01:21:34,784 --> 01:21:38,915
Because if you believe in taking care
of this part of Eden that's left...
1247
01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:42,582
-...and if you believe in creation care--
-Now you're confusing me.
1248
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,560
Now you're saying you do believe
that we are, as humans...
1249
01:21:46,731 --> 01:21:48,164
...creating global warming.
1250
01:21:48,366 --> 01:21:51,858
-We are part-and-parcel responsible.
-Yes.
1251
01:21:52,003 --> 01:21:55,234
I don't believe that humans
are creating this, because--
1252
01:21:55,406 --> 01:22:02,107
And neither do, apparently,
a vast majority of climatologists out there.
1253
01:22:02,647 --> 01:22:04,308
-I was tracking--
-That humans--
1254
01:22:04,482 --> 01:22:08,509
I was tracking with you until that last part.
You're wrong on that last part.
1255
01:22:08,686 --> 01:22:10,881
Good luck to you.
It was good meeting you.
1256
01:22:11,022 --> 01:22:12,990
-Good to talk with you.
-Lots to do...
1257
01:22:13,157 --> 01:22:16,024
...in the final two segments
coming up next.
1258
01:22:16,194 --> 01:22:19,186
Okay, lots to do
in the final two segments....
1259
01:22:19,397 --> 01:22:21,490
-We'll put you down as undecided.
-Sorry?
1260
01:22:21,666 --> 01:22:24,794
-We'll put you down as undecided.
-I don't think so.
1261
01:22:27,004 --> 01:22:29,632
Okay, Perez, we are ready to roll.
1262
01:22:29,807 --> 01:22:33,106
And as for climate change,
we're in the middle of it right now.
1263
01:22:33,277 --> 01:22:35,108
It's called winter into spring.
1264
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:38,305
For him to say that we need
to change the conversation...
1265
01:22:38,482 --> 01:22:41,918
...is to cave in to these liberals
and their way of thinking.
1266
01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:43,850
When they're wrong, they're wrong.
1267
01:22:44,021 --> 01:22:46,285
I can't take this.
Can we get out of here?
1268
01:22:46,457 --> 01:22:50,223
It's so easy to fall back into the:
"The weather always changes."
1269
01:22:50,428 --> 01:22:52,419
Yeah.
1270
01:22:52,563 --> 01:22:55,555
It's a battleship, Bob.
It takes a while to turn around.
1271
01:22:55,733 --> 01:22:57,291
That's right.
1272
01:23:03,441 --> 01:23:09,141
I mean, it's not just a head thing.
This is very much a heart issue.
1273
01:23:10,448 --> 01:23:13,246
It's not the science that's affecting us.
1274
01:23:13,451 --> 01:23:15,817
I mean, the science is pretty clear.
1275
01:23:15,987 --> 01:23:19,684
It's something else
that's causing this rejection.
1276
01:23:22,727 --> 01:23:26,754
Many conservatives, I think,
see action on climate change...
1277
01:23:26,964 --> 01:23:30,331
...as really an attack on a way of life.
1278
01:23:33,571 --> 01:23:37,166
The reason that we need
the science to be wrong...
1279
01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:41,971
...is otherwise,
we realize that we need to change.
1280
01:23:44,248 --> 01:23:46,739
That's really a hard pill to swallow...
1281
01:23:46,917 --> 01:23:50,409
...that the whole way I've created my life
is wrong, you're saying?
1282
01:23:50,588 --> 01:23:53,055
That I shouldn't have this house
in the suburb?
1283
01:23:53,224 --> 01:23:58,526
I shouldn't be driving this car
that I take my kids to soccer?
1284
01:23:59,363 --> 01:24:03,766
And you're not gonna tell me
to live the way that you want me to live.
1285
01:24:05,102 --> 01:24:07,593
And along comes some people
sowing some doubt...
1286
01:24:07,772 --> 01:24:11,401
...and it's pretty effective
because I'm looking for that answer.
1287
01:24:11,575 --> 01:24:14,635
I want it to be
that the science is not real.
1288
01:24:21,652 --> 01:24:23,779
Top U.S. oil company ExxonMobil...
1289
01:24:23,954 --> 01:24:26,422
...and Russia's Rosneft
have signed a deal...
1290
01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:29,616
...to develop oil and gas reserves
in the Russian Arctic.
1291
01:24:33,331 --> 01:24:35,959
One of the reasons
this deal is now possible...
1292
01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:40,536
...is the human-induced global warming
that has rolled the ice back.
1293
01:24:41,238 --> 01:24:46,733
It's warmer in the Arctic
than it's been in at least 40,000 years.
1294
01:24:46,911 --> 01:24:49,471
And yet there's ExxonMobil
looking at that...
1295
01:24:49,647 --> 01:24:52,741
...thinking they can drill more.
1296
01:24:53,651 --> 01:24:58,588
The very thing they paid groups
to tell us wouldn't happen...
1297
01:24:58,756 --> 01:25:01,054
...has now benefited them.
1298
01:25:01,192 --> 01:25:04,059
We could be into the hundreds
of billions of dollars...
1299
01:25:05,796 --> 01:25:09,562
...over the life of developing
all of the potential prospects up there.
1300
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:12,669
We now know
they were using climate change...
1301
01:25:12,837 --> 01:25:17,467
...as a source of insight
into exploration.
1302
01:25:19,577 --> 01:25:25,379
There's a point at which you realize
you are part of the losing end of a hustle.
1303
01:25:26,083 --> 01:25:27,846
And it can make you feel very sad.
1304
01:25:28,018 --> 01:25:30,782
And I know many environmentalists
who feel very sad.
1305
01:25:30,955 --> 01:25:32,980
Each of you solemnly swear that....
1306
01:25:34,091 --> 01:25:38,494
But at some point,
the public catches up with you.
1307
01:25:38,662 --> 01:25:41,358
The legal system catches up with you.
1308
01:25:41,532 --> 01:25:45,195
An extraordinary punishment for
the country's big cigarette companies.
1309
01:25:45,369 --> 01:25:47,735
A federal judge said they lied...
1310
01:25:47,905 --> 01:25:51,966
...and they have to take out ads
and admit it publicly.
1311
01:25:52,143 --> 01:25:53,906
Specifically, they have to say...
1312
01:25:54,111 --> 01:25:57,012
...they "deliberately deceived
the American public...
1313
01:25:57,181 --> 01:26:02,642
...about the dangers of cigarettes"
and they designed them to be addictive.
1314
01:26:04,388 --> 01:26:06,720
We know the truth
about the harms of tobacco.
1315
01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:10,725
And the tobacco industry has been
prosecuted for its illegal activities.
1316
01:26:10,895 --> 01:26:13,887
So that's the good news, right?
The truth has come out...
1317
01:26:14,064 --> 01:26:17,192
...and people who deserve
to be punished have been punished.
1318
01:26:17,368 --> 01:26:19,359
The bad news is that it took 50 years.
1319
01:26:21,939 --> 01:26:24,203
If we look at the case
of climate change...
1320
01:26:24,375 --> 01:26:26,570
...we can imagine that eventually...
1321
01:26:26,744 --> 01:26:29,770
...people will come to understand
the scientific evidence.
1322
01:26:29,947 --> 01:26:33,280
But the problem is,
we don't have 50 years.
1323
01:26:35,386 --> 01:26:39,686
Climate change is happening,
it's underway, and it's not reversible.
1324
01:26:41,292 --> 01:26:45,160
As sea level rises and hurricanes
become more intense, people get killed.
1325
01:26:45,296 --> 01:26:47,526
Their houses and communities
get destroyed.
1326
01:26:47,698 --> 01:26:52,465
Think about heat waves and droughts
that ruin agricultural communities.
1327
01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:57,664
These are problems that it will require
government intervention to address.
1328
01:27:00,911 --> 01:27:03,471
The great irony of the story to me...
1329
01:27:03,681 --> 01:27:07,981
...is that people who don't like big
government are going to get more of it.
1330
01:27:09,453 --> 01:27:12,479
And we're gonna see
more money being spent...
1331
01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:16,217
...on dealing with the aftermath
of these disasters.
1332
01:27:18,195 --> 01:27:21,926
There will be billions of dollars
in real-estate losses.
1333
01:27:22,099 --> 01:27:26,297
But more than that, people will die.
1334
01:27:27,404 --> 01:27:29,463
That's why it matters.
1335
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,699
That's why this is meaningful for us...
1336
01:27:31,842 --> 01:27:34,777
...not just for polar bears
or people in Bangladesh.
1337
01:27:38,782 --> 01:27:41,717
That's why so many people
in the scientific community...
1338
01:27:41,852 --> 01:27:44,719
...are really starting to talk
in very worried tones.
1339
01:27:44,855 --> 01:27:47,722
There's a growing sense
in the scientific community...
1340
01:27:47,858 --> 01:27:51,996
...that we're running out of time
to prevent a train wreck.
1341
01:27:55,132 --> 01:27:58,727
Our parents did not know
the things they were doing...
1342
01:27:58,869 --> 01:28:02,771
...were going to have
major consequences for young people...
1343
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:05,340
...and future generations.
1344
01:28:05,509 --> 01:28:09,536
But we cannot say that.
We can only pretend that we don't know.
1345
01:28:11,315 --> 01:28:14,182
If we warm up the planet
a few degrees...
1346
01:28:14,351 --> 01:28:17,980
...we're talking about eventual
sea-level rise of tens of meters...
1347
01:28:18,155 --> 01:28:21,056
...which would wipe out
all the coastal cities.
1348
01:28:38,275 --> 01:28:41,472
If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate...
1349
01:28:41,645 --> 01:28:45,081
...then by that time,
you've passed a tipping point...
1350
01:28:45,282 --> 01:28:47,409
...so that it's....
1351
01:28:47,585 --> 01:28:51,681
You're going to get consequences
that are out of our control.
1352
01:28:53,424 --> 01:28:56,484
I've been arrested, I think, four times.
1353
01:28:58,295 --> 01:29:01,287
We should be going
and beating on the president's desk...
1354
01:29:01,432 --> 01:29:04,196
...telling him, "We have a problem."
1355
01:29:09,206 --> 01:29:12,198
You don't have to accept things
the way they are.
1356
01:29:12,376 --> 01:29:14,606
There are things we can do to change.
1357
01:29:16,614 --> 01:29:20,209
The lie is that we can't do it,
that we can't innovate.
1358
01:29:20,384 --> 01:29:25,117
We gotta keep relying
on petroleum, coal....
1359
01:29:25,322 --> 01:29:28,120
We gotta have just those things.
1360
01:29:28,325 --> 01:29:30,316
Why?
1361
01:29:31,328 --> 01:29:33,125
To be in this situation...
1362
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:37,460
...where those fossil fuels
are imperiling our future...
1363
01:29:37,635 --> 01:29:39,694
...and future generations...
1364
01:29:39,870 --> 01:29:43,966
...and we're not accountable for that...
1365
01:29:44,141 --> 01:29:47,440
...that really becomes a moral problem.
1366
01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:52,715
We're leaving our children
and grandchildren a legacy...
1367
01:29:52,883 --> 01:29:55,443
...of people who failed to lead.
1368
01:29:55,953 --> 01:30:00,788
People who, when it came their time
to be awakened...
1369
01:30:00,958 --> 01:30:02,391
...they slept.
1370
01:30:03,661 --> 01:30:08,655
We didn't have enough faith in the future
that could be brought about...
1371
01:30:08,866 --> 01:30:10,959
...so we just gave up.
1372
01:30:12,603 --> 01:30:15,663
We couldn't rise to higher things.
1373
01:30:17,374 --> 01:30:20,502
I don't wanna be a part of that.
I wanna be a part of saying:
1374
01:30:20,678 --> 01:30:24,239
"No, we did rise to it. You bet we did."
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