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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:18,589 --> 00:00:21,586 (audience applauds) 4 00:00:24,169 --> 00:00:26,695 - Right, finally, we have Torsten Hoffmann, 5 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:29,892 who's the producer of the Cryptopia Film. 6 00:00:29,916 --> 00:00:31,108 (audience applauds) 7 00:00:31,132 --> 00:00:32,445 - Thanks, Peter. 8 00:00:32,470 --> 00:00:33,605 Five years ago, 9 00:00:33,629 --> 00:00:35,238 I made a film about the history of money, 10 00:00:35,262 --> 00:00:36,862 banking, and Bitcoin. 11 00:00:36,886 --> 00:00:40,505 Buckle up, we said, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. 12 00:00:40,529 --> 00:00:43,645 And now, some of the big brains and big egos 13 00:00:43,669 --> 00:00:45,495 who championed cryptocurrency 14 00:00:45,519 --> 00:00:48,489 claim they're building a crypto-utopia. 15 00:00:48,513 --> 00:00:50,309 - Magical things will happen. 16 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:53,089 - [Torsten] With something called blockchain technology, 17 00:00:53,113 --> 00:00:55,453 and it just might change your life. 18 00:00:55,477 --> 00:00:57,611 - And they really could compete with, 19 00:00:57,635 --> 00:00:59,436 if not take down the Facebooks 20 00:00:59,460 --> 00:01:01,106 and the Googles, and the Amazons. 21 00:01:01,130 --> 00:01:03,253 - My name is Torsten Hoffmann, 22 00:01:03,277 --> 00:01:06,607 and I'm going to put some of these claims to the test. 23 00:01:06,631 --> 00:01:09,362 Some critics say you kind of hurt the community. 24 00:01:09,386 --> 00:01:11,008 What's your response to that? 25 00:01:11,032 --> 00:01:13,277 This innovation has enabled lots of criminals and scammers. 26 00:01:13,301 --> 00:01:16,079 But basically looking at it now, you lied to us. 27 00:01:16,103 --> 00:01:18,125 Forget all the hype. 28 00:01:18,149 --> 00:01:21,151 We'll explore the true potential of this new invention. 29 00:01:21,175 --> 00:01:24,447 See who's already using it. 30 00:01:24,471 --> 00:01:26,304 - Making it really easy and simple 31 00:01:26,328 --> 00:01:30,166 for people to own a piece of a solar farm or wind farm. 32 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:32,107 (soft music) 33 00:01:32,131 --> 00:01:33,988 - [Torsten] And go deep into a secret bunker 34 00:01:34,012 --> 00:01:36,303 that holds billions in Bitcoin. 35 00:01:36,327 --> 00:01:40,497 - [Christoph] We cannot talk too much about it 36 00:01:40,521 --> 00:01:43,345 because it's pretty secret what is down there, right. 37 00:01:43,369 --> 00:01:45,198 (soft music) 38 00:01:45,222 --> 00:01:46,031 - And if Bitcoin succeeds, 39 00:01:46,055 --> 00:01:47,851 it'll be at least $1 million per coin. 40 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:48,684 (soft music) 41 00:01:48,708 --> 00:01:50,265 - [Torsten] We'll learn lessons from the past 42 00:01:50,289 --> 00:01:53,075 and meet those building the future. 43 00:01:53,098 --> 00:01:55,265 But there are those who want to kill it. 44 00:01:55,289 --> 00:01:57,269 - Join with me in introducing 45 00:01:57,293 --> 00:02:00,323 a bill to outlaw cryptocurrency 46 00:02:00,347 --> 00:02:03,156 so that we nip this in the bud. 47 00:02:03,180 --> 00:02:04,165 - [Torsten] Control it. 48 00:02:04,189 --> 00:02:05,590 - Next year, people are going to start seeing 49 00:02:05,614 --> 00:02:07,222 that we have hundreds of patents 50 00:02:07,246 --> 00:02:09,250 and everything changes. 51 00:02:09,274 --> 00:02:11,598 - [Torsten] Or change the world with it. 52 00:02:11,622 --> 00:02:14,434 Welcome to ground zero 53 00:02:14,458 --> 00:02:18,770 in the battle for the future of the Internet: Web 3.0. 54 00:02:18,794 --> 00:02:20,492 - They wanted a science fiction dream, 55 00:02:20,516 --> 00:02:24,484 what they actually did was build forthcoming disaster. 56 00:02:24,508 --> 00:02:26,485 - A lot of people were not willing to learn 57 00:02:26,509 --> 00:02:28,850 and were not willing to admit they were wrong. 58 00:02:28,874 --> 00:02:29,683 - They're idiots. 59 00:02:29,707 --> 00:02:32,187 - Why is this fraud allowed to speak at this conference? 60 00:02:32,211 --> 00:02:33,262 - Stop telling me that I have no clue. 61 00:02:33,286 --> 00:02:34,534 - That's just bullshit. 62 00:02:34,558 --> 00:02:37,082 - If you don't support free speech, 63 00:02:37,106 --> 00:02:38,211 you don't support Bitcoin. 64 00:02:38,235 --> 00:02:39,593 You're an enemy of Bitcoin. 65 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:43,023 - [Tim Draper] This is bigger than the internet, 66 00:02:43,047 --> 00:02:44,584 the Iron Age, 67 00:02:44,608 --> 00:02:45,733 the Renaissance, 68 00:02:45,757 --> 00:02:47,761 the Industrial Revolution. 69 00:02:47,785 --> 00:02:50,439 This affects the entire world. 70 00:02:50,463 --> 00:02:53,377 (electronic music) 71 00:03:09,004 --> 00:03:09,920 - For years and years, 72 00:03:09,944 --> 00:03:11,747 I've been researching blockchain technology, 73 00:03:11,771 --> 00:03:13,742 cryptocurrencies, the market booms and busts, 74 00:03:13,766 --> 00:03:16,137 and many have asked me to explain Bitcoin to them, 75 00:03:16,161 --> 00:03:19,127 but I think this is why it's so difficult. 76 00:03:19,151 --> 00:03:20,277 - Cryptocurrencies, 77 00:03:20,301 --> 00:03:22,108 everything you don't understand about money 78 00:03:22,132 --> 00:03:23,718 combine with everything 79 00:03:23,742 --> 00:03:25,240 you don't understand about computers. 80 00:03:25,264 --> 00:03:27,978 - [Torsten] Okay, let's start slowly 81 00:03:28,003 --> 00:03:30,925 with the basics of money and it's creation. 82 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:34,594 - [Narrator] The total value of all the world's money 83 00:03:34,618 --> 00:03:36,947 is about $120 trillion. 84 00:03:36,971 --> 00:03:38,950 What you probably didn't know 85 00:03:38,974 --> 00:03:40,388 is that each new dollar 86 00:03:40,412 --> 00:03:44,135 is created by governments and banks as debt, 87 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:46,822 which needs to be paid back by someone in the future 88 00:03:46,846 --> 00:03:48,081 with interest. 89 00:03:48,105 --> 00:03:49,799 That's why there isn't enough money in the world 90 00:03:49,823 --> 00:03:51,487 to repay all that debt. 91 00:03:51,511 --> 00:03:53,272 And there never will be. 92 00:03:53,296 --> 00:03:56,073 Oh, and almost all of the world's money 93 00:03:56,097 --> 00:03:57,541 is already digital, 94 00:03:57,565 --> 00:03:59,150 just entries in the ledger, 95 00:03:59,174 --> 00:04:00,519 usually managed by a bank. 96 00:04:00,543 --> 00:04:04,065 Only a small portion exists as physical currency 97 00:04:04,089 --> 00:04:05,306 like cash or coins. 98 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:06,624 Think of it this way, 99 00:04:06,648 --> 00:04:10,347 your employer deposits $1,000 into your bank account. 100 00:04:10,371 --> 00:04:13,271 Then you pay $200 in taxes, 101 00:04:13,295 --> 00:04:14,948 $500 for rent, 102 00:04:14,972 --> 00:04:17,877 $200 for bills and shopping and so forth. 103 00:04:17,901 --> 00:04:20,069 Whether you use credit cards, 104 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:22,316 debit cards, PayPal, or bank transfers, 105 00:04:22,340 --> 00:04:25,014 they're all just pluses and minuses 106 00:04:25,038 --> 00:04:27,012 in different digital ledgers. 107 00:04:27,036 --> 00:04:29,080 That's why there's almost no need for physical money 108 00:04:29,104 --> 00:04:30,660 in our daily lives. 109 00:04:30,684 --> 00:04:32,630 - During the financial crisis in 2008, 110 00:04:32,654 --> 00:04:35,444 a mysterious figure called Satoshi Nakamoto 111 00:04:35,468 --> 00:04:37,656 published this nine page white paper. 112 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,102 It said with Bitcoin's open source software, 113 00:04:40,126 --> 00:04:42,186 we can create our own money 114 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:43,767 without banks or Governments. 115 00:04:43,791 --> 00:04:46,705 (electronic music) 116 00:04:48,984 --> 00:04:51,747 This new nerd money, called cryptocurrency, 117 00:04:51,771 --> 00:04:53,825 is created and stored in computers. 118 00:04:53,849 --> 00:04:55,530 And before long, there was a growing fan club, 119 00:04:55,554 --> 00:04:58,169 mostly guys like Roger Ver. 120 00:04:58,193 --> 00:05:00,887 Today, he's a polarizing figure, 121 00:05:00,911 --> 00:05:03,955 but back then, he gave away thousands of coins 122 00:05:03,979 --> 00:05:05,363 to kickstart the movement, 123 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:07,765 and they all called him Bitcoin Jesus. 124 00:05:07,789 --> 00:05:10,203 - I think that for may years, 125 00:05:10,227 --> 00:05:13,221 he brought more people to Bitcoin than anyone else. 126 00:05:13,245 --> 00:05:16,110 And we will forever be grateful to him for doing that. 127 00:05:17,615 --> 00:05:18,650 - When I was a kid, 128 00:05:18,674 --> 00:05:20,648 I was reading all these science fiction books. 129 00:05:20,672 --> 00:05:21,677 They were talking about 130 00:05:21,701 --> 00:05:23,525 how the world is gonna be 131 00:05:23,549 --> 00:05:25,763 when we have this like anonymous digital cash 132 00:05:25,787 --> 00:05:27,042 that people can use on the internet 133 00:05:27,066 --> 00:05:28,515 that's not controllable by anybody. 134 00:05:28,539 --> 00:05:30,324 And then when Bitcoin came along, 135 00:05:30,348 --> 00:05:33,284 it was like: Wow, this science fiction money idea 136 00:05:33,308 --> 00:05:35,074 that I'd been reading about as a kid 137 00:05:35,098 --> 00:05:35,907 is finally here. 138 00:05:35,931 --> 00:05:37,424 So I got so excited about it. 139 00:05:37,448 --> 00:05:39,332 I heard about it at about 10 in the morning. 140 00:05:39,356 --> 00:05:42,216 And I was planning to go to work that day, but I didn't. 141 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,113 I stayed home the entire day reading about it. 142 00:05:44,137 --> 00:05:46,453 Didn't leave, I stayed up all night that night 143 00:05:46,477 --> 00:05:47,452 reading about it. 144 00:05:47,476 --> 00:05:49,209 Stayed up all night the next night reading about it. 145 00:05:49,233 --> 00:05:50,993 - [Torsten] He went deep down that rabbit hole 146 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:53,455 to the point of physical exhaustion. 147 00:05:53,479 --> 00:05:55,014 - So I called up a friend of mine, 148 00:05:55,038 --> 00:05:56,426 said please help me, I'm so sick. 149 00:05:56,450 --> 00:05:58,110 Can you bring me to the hospital? 150 00:05:58,134 --> 00:05:59,268 - [Torsten] Yeah, Roger got bit bad 151 00:05:59,292 --> 00:06:00,101 by the Bitcoin bug. 152 00:06:00,125 --> 00:06:03,807 - Cause it's truly one of the most exciting inventions 153 00:06:03,831 --> 00:06:05,677 ever in the entire history of human kind. 154 00:06:05,701 --> 00:06:08,139 - [Torsten] But how does it work? 155 00:06:08,163 --> 00:06:10,283 When my friends ask me to explain, 156 00:06:10,307 --> 00:06:13,125 well I often start with this analogy. 157 00:06:13,149 --> 00:06:15,613 - [Narrator] Imagine a bank vault 158 00:06:15,637 --> 00:06:16,990 where you have a safety deposit box. 159 00:06:17,014 --> 00:06:19,971 Your key opens one of the boxes 160 00:06:19,995 --> 00:06:22,676 where you can securely store physical valuables, 161 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:24,136 like gold coins. 162 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,632 In Bitcoin, there are digital keys. 163 00:06:27,656 --> 00:06:29,561 Think of them as very long passwords. 164 00:06:29,585 --> 00:06:33,200 Your private key gives you access to a wallet, 165 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:35,921 which unlocks billions of unique Bitcoin addresses. 166 00:06:35,945 --> 00:06:38,884 Each one is a virtual safety deposit box 167 00:06:38,908 --> 00:06:42,011 that only you can open with your key. 168 00:06:42,034 --> 00:06:44,063 And there are more addresses in this virtual vault 169 00:06:44,087 --> 00:06:46,350 than atoms in the universe. 170 00:06:46,374 --> 00:06:49,483 The doors to these boxes are transparent. 171 00:06:49,507 --> 00:06:50,921 You can see inside them. 172 00:06:50,945 --> 00:06:53,053 Here's one with digital money, 0.21 Bitcoins. 173 00:06:53,077 --> 00:06:56,832 Sending them from one box to another 174 00:06:56,856 --> 00:06:58,529 is what's called a Bitcoin transaction. 175 00:06:58,553 --> 00:07:00,822 We'll explain that later. 176 00:07:00,846 --> 00:07:02,086 But for now, 177 00:07:02,110 --> 00:07:03,945 just remember that these digital coins 178 00:07:03,969 --> 00:07:06,996 can only exist inside these transparent address boxes, 179 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:08,611 can't be copied, 180 00:07:08,635 --> 00:07:11,025 and can't ever leave the vault. 181 00:07:11,049 --> 00:07:14,722 And this vault is owned by no single entity. 182 00:07:14,746 --> 00:07:17,211 You don't need permission from a government, 183 00:07:17,235 --> 00:07:20,496 a bank, or a corporation to use it. 184 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,434 (electronic music) 185 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:35,133 - [Torsten] For most early adopters of Bitcoin, 186 00:07:35,157 --> 00:07:38,157 it was all about global peer to peer electronic cash. 187 00:07:39,609 --> 00:07:42,765 Room 77 in Berlin was one of the very first businesses 188 00:07:42,789 --> 00:07:46,630 to accept Bitcoins as payment for physical things, 189 00:07:46,654 --> 00:07:48,750 beers and burgers. 190 00:07:48,774 --> 00:07:51,541 - Back in 2011, there were no mobile wallets, right. 191 00:07:51,565 --> 00:07:53,715 So you had to go there, bring your laptop, 192 00:07:53,739 --> 00:07:56,280 type in this long address, 193 00:07:56,304 --> 00:07:59,580 risk losing the money if you didn't type it correctly. 194 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:02,726 So the first guy who built a mobile wallet 195 00:08:02,750 --> 00:08:03,586 was some guy in Berlin 196 00:08:03,610 --> 00:08:06,121 who built it in order to buy his beer 197 00:08:06,145 --> 00:08:08,416 with his phone instead of his computer. 198 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,353 (speaking in foreign language) 199 00:08:30,266 --> 00:08:31,287 - [Narrator] Credit cards are an old technology, 200 00:08:31,311 --> 00:08:32,616 and actually pretty complex. 201 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,798 And you payment details are shared with many middlemen. 202 00:08:35,822 --> 00:08:39,025 Each of these parties are also taking a cut of the action, 203 00:08:39,049 --> 00:08:42,371 which is built into the price of nearly everything you buy. 204 00:08:42,395 --> 00:08:45,058 If you purchase something internationally, 205 00:08:45,082 --> 00:08:47,647 double the number of middlemen and triple the fees. 206 00:08:47,671 --> 00:08:51,337 Credit cards handle almost $20 trillion 207 00:08:51,361 --> 00:08:53,182 of transactions per year. 208 00:08:53,206 --> 00:08:56,422 (upbeat music) 209 00:08:56,446 --> 00:08:58,860 - [Torsten] Early Bitcoin adopters, like Room 77, 210 00:08:58,884 --> 00:09:00,626 avoided paying credit card fees. 211 00:09:00,650 --> 00:09:03,655 But Joerg's real beef was with the bankers 212 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,962 who collect them. 213 00:09:13,436 --> 00:09:16,016 (upbeat music) 214 00:09:44,937 --> 00:09:46,577 - [Torsten] Collapsing economies, murder, 215 00:09:56,356 --> 00:09:58,190 I didn't sign up for this. 216 00:09:58,214 --> 00:10:00,085 Let me get a drink. 217 00:10:00,109 --> 00:10:02,736 Well, actually, I need to buy my German crew 218 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,686 some Gluwein 219 00:10:03,710 --> 00:10:05,483 and explain why they won't get paid 220 00:10:05,507 --> 00:10:06,958 until after Christmas. 221 00:10:07,815 --> 00:10:09,868 You see, transferring money from Australia, 222 00:10:09,892 --> 00:10:10,702 where I live, 223 00:10:10,726 --> 00:10:12,313 to Germany can take several days, 224 00:10:12,337 --> 00:10:14,784 and it will cost $30 plus exchange fees 225 00:10:14,808 --> 00:10:18,337 just for updating numbers in digital ledgers. 226 00:10:24,765 --> 00:10:27,231 After all, it's just moving data. 227 00:10:27,255 --> 00:10:28,939 I can send a picture or video 228 00:10:28,963 --> 00:10:32,288 to anyone on the planet almost instantly, for free. 229 00:10:32,312 --> 00:10:34,274 We live in the age of the Internet, 230 00:10:34,298 --> 00:10:35,813 but the banks won't send the data 231 00:10:35,837 --> 00:10:38,320 after 5:00 p.m., or on a weekend? 232 00:10:38,344 --> 00:10:39,746 That doesn't make any sense. 233 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:45,483 So what if those slow and expensive middlemen 234 00:10:45,507 --> 00:10:46,612 with their multiple ledgers 235 00:10:46,636 --> 00:10:49,006 could be replaced with a giant database 236 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:51,257 synchronised over the Internet? 237 00:10:51,281 --> 00:10:53,715 That's the big idea behind Bitcoin. 238 00:10:53,739 --> 00:10:56,162 And it's run by a decentralised global network 239 00:10:56,186 --> 00:10:59,816 of powerful mining computers and regular laptops. 240 00:11:03,139 --> 00:11:04,311 Here's how it works. 241 00:11:05,637 --> 00:11:07,111 When I pay my cameraman, 242 00:11:07,135 --> 00:11:09,379 what's really happening is that I use my key 243 00:11:09,403 --> 00:11:10,807 to open my wallet, 244 00:11:10,831 --> 00:11:12,456 and then instruct the network 245 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,481 to send Bitcoins to his address. 246 00:11:16,666 --> 00:11:18,869 Most Bitcoin apps use QR codes 247 00:11:18,893 --> 00:11:20,458 to identify and address. 248 00:11:20,482 --> 00:11:21,477 You scan it, 249 00:11:21,501 --> 00:11:22,975 then swipe to use your key, 250 00:11:22,999 --> 00:11:24,501 and approve the transaction. 251 00:11:25,337 --> 00:11:26,482 - [Narrator] This information is shared 252 00:11:26,506 --> 00:11:28,856 throughout the global network within seconds. 253 00:11:30,552 --> 00:11:31,478 Every 10 minutes or so, 254 00:11:31,502 --> 00:11:34,854 one miner using a tremendous amount of energy 255 00:11:34,878 --> 00:11:37,341 beats all the others in a contest 256 00:11:37,365 --> 00:11:39,163 to solve a very difficult math problem. 257 00:11:39,187 --> 00:11:41,257 That miner is authorised 258 00:11:41,281 --> 00:11:43,195 to arrange the most recent transactions 259 00:11:43,219 --> 00:11:44,923 into a structured block, 260 00:11:44,947 --> 00:11:46,925 and is rewarded in Bitcoins for this work. 261 00:11:46,949 --> 00:11:49,606 All the data contained inside each block 262 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:51,741 is represented by a check sum. 263 00:11:51,765 --> 00:11:54,004 The miner now adds the new block 264 00:11:54,028 --> 00:11:55,533 to the previous one. 265 00:11:55,557 --> 00:11:56,997 That's why it's called the blockchain. 266 00:11:57,021 --> 00:11:59,709 Now the ledger will be updated globally. 267 00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:02,456 The check sums of the previous block 268 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,274 match the beginning of the new one, 269 00:12:04,298 --> 00:12:06,550 which are baked together forever. 270 00:12:06,574 --> 00:12:09,531 It's impossible to tanker with the data inside the block 271 00:12:09,555 --> 00:12:11,527 without changing the check sums 272 00:12:11,551 --> 00:12:13,046 and breaking the chain. 273 00:12:13,070 --> 00:12:15,485 (soft music) 274 00:12:18,654 --> 00:12:20,879 - [Torsten] This immutability is the first rule of Bitcoin. 275 00:12:20,903 --> 00:12:23,425 It means one one can ever change 276 00:12:23,449 --> 00:12:25,553 what was once recorded in the blockchain, 277 00:12:25,577 --> 00:12:27,084 or spend the same coin twice. 278 00:12:27,108 --> 00:12:29,193 That's also called censorship resistance, 279 00:12:29,217 --> 00:12:33,102 and it's critical to Bitcoin being used as real money. 280 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:39,699 Awarded winning journalist Laura Shin 281 00:12:39,723 --> 00:12:42,096 tells me a story about women bloggers in Afghanistan 282 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,034 being paid in Bitcoin. 283 00:12:44,058 --> 00:12:46,971 - One of the women had an abusive husband, 284 00:12:46,995 --> 00:12:48,219 and saved up here Bitcoins 285 00:12:48,243 --> 00:12:51,399 and eventually was able to divorce him 286 00:12:51,423 --> 00:12:53,964 because she was able to control her money 287 00:12:53,988 --> 00:12:55,770 when she earned the Bitcoins. 288 00:12:55,794 --> 00:12:58,160 - [Torsten] In my first film, the early adopters 289 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:00,787 said that this kind of financial freedom for everyone 290 00:13:00,811 --> 00:13:02,236 was just around the corner. 291 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:07,255 - The world's most populous network is adopting Bitcoin, 292 00:13:07,375 --> 00:13:08,239 that's the Internet. 293 00:13:08,263 --> 00:13:12,046 The world's largest economy is adopting Bitcoin. 294 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:13,385 That's the internet. 295 00:13:13,409 --> 00:13:15,083 We have transcended borders. 296 00:13:15,107 --> 00:13:17,265 - It's totally failed as electronic cash. 297 00:13:17,289 --> 00:13:20,188 - [Torsten] David Gerard says it has unbanked 298 00:13:20,212 --> 00:13:22,995 the banked more than it has banked the unbanked. 299 00:13:23,019 --> 00:13:25,297 He's an outspoken critic of this technology. 300 00:13:25,321 --> 00:13:28,296 - It's not very good as a payment system. 301 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,787 There a small payment in this case 302 00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:33,435 if you want to trade in things 303 00:13:33,459 --> 00:13:34,950 the Government doesn't want you to trade in. 304 00:13:34,974 --> 00:13:37,091 - [Torsten] That's David's polite way 305 00:13:37,115 --> 00:13:38,687 of saying illegal stuff. 306 00:13:38,711 --> 00:13:40,847 - In 2011, most of my partner colleagues 307 00:13:40,847 --> 00:13:41,996 - In 2011, most of my partner colleagues (soft music) 308 00:13:41,996 --> 00:13:42,020 (soft music) 309 00:13:42,020 --> 00:13:43,209 were saying three things. (soft music) 310 00:13:43,209 --> 00:13:44,110 were saying three things. 311 00:13:44,134 --> 00:13:45,385 It was either drugs, pornography, or arm sales. 312 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:54,793 - [Torsten] The Silk Road was a black market 313 00:13:54,817 --> 00:13:55,802 on the dark web 314 00:13:55,826 --> 00:13:57,237 where the buyers and sellers used Bitcoins 315 00:13:57,261 --> 00:13:59,764 to fly under the radar of the authorities. 316 00:13:59,788 --> 00:14:02,355 It had one million users 317 00:14:02,379 --> 00:14:05,334 until the FBI showed up and shut it down. 318 00:14:05,358 --> 00:14:07,999 They caught this guy for running it, 319 00:14:08,023 --> 00:14:10,247 and confiscated the coins held in escrow 320 00:14:10,271 --> 00:14:11,867 by snatching his computer. 321 00:14:11,891 --> 00:14:14,723 And then they locked him away for life. 322 00:14:14,747 --> 00:14:16,951 Seems like a pretty straight forward case 323 00:14:16,975 --> 00:14:19,209 of law enforcement doing their job, 324 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,789 but in crypto, not everybody sees it that way. 325 00:14:21,813 --> 00:14:24,364 (soft music) 326 00:14:24,388 --> 00:14:25,952 - People have an absolute right 327 00:14:25,976 --> 00:14:27,830 to put whatever they want in their own bodies 328 00:14:27,854 --> 00:14:29,818 because their bodies belong to them. 329 00:14:29,842 --> 00:14:31,217 That makes Ross Ulbricht 330 00:14:31,241 --> 00:14:32,945 and the users of the Silk Road heroes, 331 00:14:32,969 --> 00:14:34,892 not criminal law breakers in a bad sense. 332 00:14:34,915 --> 00:14:37,461 They are criminal law breakers in a good sense 333 00:14:37,485 --> 00:14:39,872 the same way that Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks, 334 00:14:39,896 --> 00:14:41,477 or you know, Thomas Jefferson, 335 00:14:41,501 --> 00:14:42,971 or George Washington were. 336 00:14:42,995 --> 00:14:47,001 - [Torsten] No doubt cryptocurrencies can be a tool 337 00:14:47,025 --> 00:14:48,394 for criminal activity. 338 00:14:48,418 --> 00:14:49,948 But so are dollar bills 339 00:14:49,972 --> 00:14:51,157 or the banking system. 340 00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:55,744 And let's not forget the blockchain is a public ledger. 341 00:14:55,768 --> 00:14:57,850 - It's actually been quite useful 342 00:14:57,874 --> 00:14:59,305 for uncovering crimes. 343 00:14:59,329 --> 00:15:01,969 A former federal prosecutor named Kathryn Haun, 344 00:15:01,993 --> 00:15:04,034 she was the one who discovered 345 00:15:04,058 --> 00:15:06,296 that there were a couple federal agents that 346 00:15:07,694 --> 00:15:10,757 were pilfering the Bitcoins that the Government had obtained 347 00:15:10,781 --> 00:15:11,697 from the Silk Road case 348 00:15:11,721 --> 00:15:12,925 for their own gain. 349 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:14,963 And what was interesting 350 00:15:14,987 --> 00:15:16,939 was she got a tip that there might be one, 351 00:15:16,963 --> 00:15:19,553 one agent that was doing this. 352 00:15:19,577 --> 00:15:21,916 But from looking at the movements 353 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:22,945 on the blockchain itself, 354 00:15:22,969 --> 00:15:24,607 she realised that there were two people. 355 00:15:24,631 --> 00:15:27,560 - [Torsten] The prosecutor could see 356 00:15:27,584 --> 00:15:29,104 those Bitcoins being moved. 357 00:15:29,128 --> 00:15:31,798 And when the dirty cops tried to sell them for dollars, 358 00:15:31,822 --> 00:15:34,025 they got busted. 359 00:15:34,049 --> 00:15:36,464 (soft music) 360 00:15:40,042 --> 00:15:42,565 But what makes Bitcoins worth stealing? 361 00:15:42,589 --> 00:15:44,341 Why do they have value at all? 362 00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,135 - [Narrator] Let's go back to where Bitcoins are stored 363 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:50,202 in transparent digital deposit boxes, 364 00:15:50,226 --> 00:15:52,146 protected by strong cryptography. 365 00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:55,642 They can never be copied or leave the vault 366 00:15:55,665 --> 00:15:57,293 because any transaction of any Bitcoin, 367 00:15:57,317 --> 00:16:00,697 down to a 100 millionth fraction 368 00:16:00,721 --> 00:16:03,854 is recorded in the blockchain for eternity. 369 00:16:03,878 --> 00:16:05,632 This synchronised global ledger 370 00:16:05,656 --> 00:16:07,621 is shared among thousands of computers worldwide. 371 00:16:07,645 --> 00:16:10,818 That's why it can't be compromised or altered. 372 00:16:10,842 --> 00:16:12,058 Think about that. 373 00:16:12,082 --> 00:16:15,443 We can make an infinite number of perfect digital copies 374 00:16:15,467 --> 00:16:17,498 of a movie, a song, any file, 375 00:16:17,522 --> 00:16:19,507 but for the first time in history, 376 00:16:19,531 --> 00:16:21,676 this distributed record keeping 377 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:24,533 allows us to have a truly unique and fungible 378 00:16:24,557 --> 00:16:27,296 digital object that is also scarce. 379 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,256 If you could count all of these virtual coins, 380 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,347 you'd find about 18 million of them today. 381 00:16:33,371 --> 00:16:35,672 The mining reward is the only way 382 00:16:35,696 --> 00:16:37,013 new coins are created. 383 00:16:37,037 --> 00:16:39,399 (soft music) 384 00:16:39,423 --> 00:16:40,613 In the first years of Bitcoin, 385 00:16:40,637 --> 00:16:44,040 miners competed for 50 Bitcoins every 10 minutes. 386 00:16:44,065 --> 00:16:46,593 Then their reward for processing transactions 387 00:16:46,617 --> 00:16:48,886 dropped to 25 Bitcoins, 388 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:50,756 then 12.5, 389 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:53,559 and then half again and again every four years. 390 00:16:53,583 --> 00:16:57,120 It's good old fashioned supply and demand. 391 00:16:57,144 --> 00:17:00,018 If investors or users of Bitcoin 392 00:17:00,042 --> 00:17:02,410 create a higher demand than this decreasing supply, 393 00:17:02,434 --> 00:17:04,136 the price will go up. 394 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,770 When the cap of 21 million is reached, 395 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,950 the protocol stops the network from creating any more. 396 00:17:09,973 --> 00:17:13,654 It's the opposite of our traditional money supply, 397 00:17:13,678 --> 00:17:16,056 which keeps growing and growing. 398 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,493 (soft music) 399 00:17:23,888 --> 00:17:25,872 - Hmm, and unlimited amount of dollars 400 00:17:25,896 --> 00:17:28,205 versus a very limited supply of Bitcoins. 401 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:29,792 You do the math! 402 00:17:29,816 --> 00:17:32,845 If you use Euros or dollars, 403 00:17:32,869 --> 00:17:34,983 you might not care about a little inflation per year. 404 00:17:35,007 --> 00:17:36,672 But if your currency isn't stable, 405 00:17:36,696 --> 00:17:38,809 you might be a trillionaire on paper, 406 00:17:38,833 --> 00:17:40,218 and be dead broke. 407 00:17:40,242 --> 00:17:43,655 (slow suspenseful music) 408 00:17:45,057 --> 00:17:46,192 - I grew up in Patagonia 409 00:17:46,216 --> 00:17:47,500 in the southern part of Argentina. 410 00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,078 My parents are sheep ranchers there. 411 00:17:49,102 --> 00:17:52,216 And I remember growing up in my childhood, 412 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,266 I saw my parents loose everything three times. 413 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:56,935 First because of a huge devaluation, 414 00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:58,634 then because of hyperinflation, 415 00:17:58,658 --> 00:18:01,265 and the last time because the Government confiscated all 416 00:18:01,289 --> 00:18:03,824 our bank deposits. 417 00:18:03,848 --> 00:18:05,293 I think that today, 418 00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:08,290 there are billions of people, 419 00:18:08,314 --> 00:18:09,458 at least four billion people 420 00:18:09,482 --> 00:18:11,197 who would be a lot better off 421 00:18:11,221 --> 00:18:12,917 by having access to a form of money 422 00:18:12,941 --> 00:18:17,016 that is non-political and more democratic. 423 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,035 (soft music) (muffled speech) 424 00:18:24,427 --> 00:18:25,552 - We think of finance. 425 00:18:25,576 --> 00:18:26,442 We think of banking. 426 00:18:26,466 --> 00:18:27,750 We think of money. 427 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:30,355 In terms of the experience and perspective 428 00:18:30,379 --> 00:18:32,982 of Western European or developed nation person, 429 00:18:33,006 --> 00:18:37,710 and that is really just a billion and a half people 430 00:18:37,734 --> 00:18:40,987 who have a very privileged financial life. 431 00:18:41,011 --> 00:18:42,705 What about the other six billion? 432 00:18:42,729 --> 00:18:45,179 Every single country that is free 433 00:18:45,203 --> 00:18:50,088 has essentially a legal status for cryptocurrencies 434 00:18:50,112 --> 00:18:52,036 that is very open and permissive. 435 00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:54,263 And every single country that is unfree 436 00:18:54,287 --> 00:18:58,710 has restrictive or banned cryptocurrency status. 437 00:18:58,734 --> 00:19:01,149 (soft music) 438 00:19:16,685 --> 00:19:18,210 - This is the Berlin Wall, 439 00:19:18,234 --> 00:19:19,498 still a powerful symbol 440 00:19:19,522 --> 00:19:22,871 of a Government trying to control its citizens. 441 00:19:22,895 --> 00:19:26,519 But this is what happens when people 442 00:19:26,543 --> 00:19:28,605 want to be free. 443 00:19:28,629 --> 00:19:32,149 The very first open crypto-war is playing out in Venezuela 444 00:19:32,173 --> 00:19:35,512 where the local currency loses value every hour 445 00:19:35,536 --> 00:19:37,191 due to hyperinflation. 446 00:19:37,215 --> 00:19:38,419 - A lot of people in Venezuela 447 00:19:38,443 --> 00:19:39,788 are trying to mine cryptocurrencies. 448 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:43,464 And the government views this as a threat obviously 449 00:19:43,488 --> 00:19:46,861 because they're trying to keep the Bolivar propped up. 450 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:48,769 The government actually provided electricity 451 00:19:48,793 --> 00:19:49,602 to a lot of people, 452 00:19:49,626 --> 00:19:52,387 and if they perceive that your electricity usage 453 00:19:52,411 --> 00:19:53,664 has gone up, 454 00:19:53,688 --> 00:19:56,751 they will come and check if you have mining equipment 455 00:19:56,775 --> 00:19:58,709 in your house, and they will confiscate it 456 00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:00,587 if they find it. 457 00:20:00,611 --> 00:20:02,385 - [Torsten] And that brings us to the big question, 458 00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:04,333 can Governments or banks ban Bitcoin? 459 00:20:04,357 --> 00:20:06,718 - So the title is "Jamie Dimon, 460 00:20:06,742 --> 00:20:09,219 "Here's why you're wrong about Bitcoin". 461 00:20:09,243 --> 00:20:10,919 - [Torsten] Dimon runs JP Morgan Chase, 462 00:20:10,943 --> 00:20:13,215 one of the largest banks in the world 463 00:20:13,239 --> 00:20:15,892 that moves $6 trillion every single day. 464 00:20:15,916 --> 00:20:17,011 - Oh, you said of Bitcoin 465 00:20:17,035 --> 00:20:18,666 eventually it will be closed. 466 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:21,336 And then I said to anyone who knows anything 467 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,111 about the technology, this is an incredibly absurd statement. 468 00:20:24,135 --> 00:20:27,610 I even said it was a little bit hilarious 469 00:20:27,634 --> 00:20:29,688 because I find it kind of funny 470 00:20:29,712 --> 00:20:32,186 the idea that you thought you could close Bitcoin. 471 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,865 But you'd have to shut down the Internet, 472 00:20:34,889 --> 00:20:36,726 which also doesn't make sense. 473 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:39,179 I could understand if you wanted Bitcoin shut down, 474 00:20:39,203 --> 00:20:40,657 or hoped it was a fraud. 475 00:20:40,681 --> 00:20:41,537 I mean if I were you, 476 00:20:41,561 --> 00:20:43,414 and if I really understood the disruption 477 00:20:43,438 --> 00:20:45,562 that crypto assets could bring to financial services, 478 00:20:45,586 --> 00:20:47,041 I'd be very scared. 479 00:20:47,065 --> 00:20:48,579 - And I think whatever Jamie Dimon 480 00:20:48,603 --> 00:20:49,642 says or thinks about Bitcoin 481 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:53,000 is as relevant as whatever the Postmaster General 482 00:20:53,024 --> 00:20:55,235 thought or said about email: 483 00:20:55,259 --> 00:20:56,912 Who cares? 484 00:20:56,936 --> 00:20:59,505 - Then I wrote sincerely, Laura Shin. 485 00:21:01,021 --> 00:21:02,196 - [Torsten] But some politicians 486 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,935 still think they can stop open source software. 487 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:08,100 - I look for colleagues to join with me 488 00:21:08,124 --> 00:21:12,832 in introducing a bill to outlaw cryptocurrency purchases 489 00:21:12,856 --> 00:21:16,532 by Americans so that we nip this in the bud 490 00:21:16,556 --> 00:21:21,551 in part because an awful lot of our international power 491 00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:24,403 comes from the fact that the dollar 492 00:21:24,427 --> 00:21:26,937 is the standard unit of international finance 493 00:21:26,961 --> 00:21:30,663 and transactions clearing through the New York Fed 494 00:21:30,687 --> 00:21:34,294 is critical for major oil and other transactions. 495 00:21:34,318 --> 00:21:37,131 And it is the announced purpose 496 00:21:37,155 --> 00:21:38,829 of the supporters of cryptocurrency 497 00:21:38,853 --> 00:21:41,403 to take that power away from us. 498 00:21:41,427 --> 00:21:45,256 - Cryptocurrency represents a litmus test for Governments. 499 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,186 It reveals how much your Government believes in, 500 00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:54,749 in the fundamental freedoms and Human Rights 501 00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:58,859 because if they don't trust their own citizens 502 00:21:58,883 --> 00:22:01,047 to have control over their own money, 503 00:22:01,071 --> 00:22:01,907 that says a lot about the government 504 00:22:01,931 --> 00:22:04,391 and says very little about cryptocurrency. 505 00:22:04,415 --> 00:22:07,980 - [Torsten] You see, the reason why some Governments 506 00:22:08,004 --> 00:22:10,267 and most banks are threatened by this technology 507 00:22:10,291 --> 00:22:13,264 is simple, your private key and your wallet 508 00:22:13,288 --> 00:22:15,042 can replace your bank account. 509 00:22:15,066 --> 00:22:17,111 The network is run by software 510 00:22:17,135 --> 00:22:19,618 and its currency is made and maintained 511 00:22:19,642 --> 00:22:21,726 by computing power and electricity. 512 00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:22,964 It can't be manipulated 513 00:22:22,988 --> 00:22:25,702 by central bankers, Wall Street lobbyists 514 00:22:25,726 --> 00:22:27,021 or politicians. 515 00:22:27,045 --> 00:22:29,801 But with new freedom comes new responsibility. 516 00:22:29,825 --> 00:22:34,006 - Simple rule, if you control the keys, it's your Bitcoin. 517 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:37,222 If you don't control the keys, it's not your Bitcoin. 518 00:22:37,246 --> 00:22:38,859 Your keys, your Bitcoin. 519 00:22:38,883 --> 00:22:41,313 Not your keys, not your Bitcoin. 520 00:22:41,337 --> 00:22:42,337 Your keys, your Bitcoin. 521 00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:45,358 Not your keys, not your Bitcoin. 522 00:22:45,382 --> 00:22:47,490 - [Torsten] Got that? 523 00:22:47,514 --> 00:22:48,679 If you lose your key, 524 00:22:48,703 --> 00:22:50,770 you will never be able to access your coins again. 525 00:22:50,794 --> 00:22:52,945 And if someone hacks your computer 526 00:22:52,969 --> 00:22:54,489 where you store those passwords, 527 00:22:54,513 --> 00:22:56,803 your coins will be stolen in a second. 528 00:22:56,827 --> 00:22:59,368 And remember how Wences's family 529 00:22:59,392 --> 00:23:01,673 had their money stolen by their own government? 530 00:23:01,697 --> 00:23:04,873 Well, maybe that's why he built the Fort Knox 531 00:23:04,897 --> 00:23:06,435 of Bitcoin security, Xapo. 532 00:23:06,459 --> 00:23:08,909 - Most of our seven million customers 533 00:23:08,933 --> 00:23:10,307 are in emerging markets. 534 00:23:10,331 --> 00:23:14,103 In countries where there is problems with the currency, 535 00:23:14,127 --> 00:23:16,511 we have explosions in activity like Venezuela 536 00:23:16,535 --> 00:23:18,079 right now or Turkey. 537 00:23:18,103 --> 00:23:20,097 And we develop this system of vault 538 00:23:20,121 --> 00:23:22,735 where we have five private keys 539 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,873 for each one of our Bitcoin addresses. 540 00:23:24,897 --> 00:23:26,924 We keep those private keys 541 00:23:26,948 --> 00:23:30,467 in an offline server that has never been online, 542 00:23:30,491 --> 00:23:31,347 will never be online. 543 00:23:31,371 --> 00:23:32,495 It's inside the vault. 544 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,693 The vault is inside a bunker, 545 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:36,022 usually deep underground. 546 00:23:36,046 --> 00:23:37,430 Our main one is in Switzerland 547 00:23:37,454 --> 00:23:40,082 in a decommissioned military bunker. 548 00:23:40,106 --> 00:23:42,905 - [Torsten] I just had to see it for myself 549 00:23:42,929 --> 00:23:44,994 even though it took months for us to get cleared for a tour. 550 00:23:45,018 --> 00:23:47,432 (soft music) 551 00:24:00,381 --> 00:24:02,016 We were met by Christoph Oschwald, 552 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,663 a former military commander who runs the place, 553 00:24:04,687 --> 00:24:06,661 and a representative from Xapo. 554 00:24:06,685 --> 00:24:09,278 Christoph said the guards would rather shoot us 555 00:24:09,302 --> 00:24:10,682 than show us around. 556 00:24:10,706 --> 00:24:14,253 I hope he was kidding. 557 00:24:14,277 --> 00:24:17,214 - They need to bring in the material 558 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,041 to the other side of the personal lock. 559 00:24:20,065 --> 00:24:23,653 - [Torsten] First up, one more check of our IDs, 560 00:24:23,677 --> 00:24:26,551 a pat down for weapons or any other monkey business, 561 00:24:26,575 --> 00:24:28,895 and gear inspection. 562 00:24:28,919 --> 00:24:32,298 Even the boss was searched. 563 00:24:32,322 --> 00:24:36,349 It took nearly an hour to get my team through security, 564 00:24:36,373 --> 00:24:38,009 but it was worth it. 565 00:24:38,033 --> 00:24:40,817 No other film crew has been allowed access. 566 00:24:40,841 --> 00:24:44,333 - We are the largest custodian of Bitcoin in the world 567 00:24:44,357 --> 00:24:46,571 because a lot of the largest holders in the world 568 00:24:46,595 --> 00:24:48,676 use us for security. 569 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,200 - [Torsten] Rumour has it 570 00:24:50,224 --> 00:24:52,509 that 10% of all Bitcoins are stored here 571 00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:54,930 and in their four other secret locations. 572 00:24:54,954 --> 00:24:58,029 (soft music) 573 00:24:58,053 --> 00:25:00,774 - Unfortunately, I can't confirm any of those numbers. 574 00:25:02,089 --> 00:25:03,144 - From the mountain, 575 00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:07,110 we are getting a lot of benefits, right? 576 00:25:07,134 --> 00:25:08,400 Earthquake proof, 577 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:10,102 flooding proof, 578 00:25:10,126 --> 00:25:12,325 but on the other side, 579 00:25:12,349 --> 00:25:14,433 you're facing a lot of additional costs. 580 00:25:14,457 --> 00:25:17,540 - [Torsten] Like maintaining seven independent 581 00:25:17,564 --> 00:25:19,155 backup power supplies. 582 00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,422 The labyrinth of tunnels deep into the mountain 583 00:25:25,446 --> 00:25:28,075 is interrupted by nuclear grade doors. 584 00:25:28,099 --> 00:25:30,514 (soft music) 585 00:25:38,643 --> 00:25:39,818 It's a level of security 586 00:25:39,842 --> 00:25:42,575 applied to all of the data Christoph protects here, 587 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:43,599 not just for Xapo. 588 00:25:45,216 --> 00:25:47,116 - We cannot talk too much about it 589 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:49,977 because it's pretty secret what is down there. 590 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:51,826 - Are we allowed to film there? 591 00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:52,850 - No. 592 00:25:53,812 --> 00:25:56,691 - [Torsten] There were doors that remained shut 593 00:25:56,715 --> 00:25:58,790 and security measures we weren't allowed to see. 594 00:25:58,814 --> 00:26:02,094 - And some of those checks may be biometric 595 00:26:02,118 --> 00:26:04,625 including the eye and the finger print scan 596 00:26:04,649 --> 00:26:07,680 and the fingerprint scanner 597 00:26:07,704 --> 00:26:09,568 also makes sure that you are alive 598 00:26:09,592 --> 00:26:11,156 so that you didn't cut someone's finger 599 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:13,374 and you're just using it to open the gate. 600 00:26:13,398 --> 00:26:14,466 - So you must have a pulse. 601 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:16,905 (soft music) 602 00:26:23,188 --> 00:26:25,186 - Don't touch the racks. 603 00:26:27,923 --> 00:26:29,868 - [Torsten] These aren't Xapo's actual servers, 604 00:26:29,892 --> 00:26:32,151 but if you've ever wondered what cryptocurrency thieves 605 00:26:32,175 --> 00:26:35,001 dream about, it's sitting somewhere down here 606 00:26:35,025 --> 00:26:37,200 unplugged from the Internet. 607 00:26:37,224 --> 00:26:39,128 - There is absolutely no way, 608 00:26:39,152 --> 00:26:43,380 zero way to attack the data on the cold storage site. 609 00:26:43,404 --> 00:26:45,722 - [Torsten] But here's my question, 610 00:26:45,746 --> 00:26:48,309 why do I need the cold offline servers 611 00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:49,276 to be inside a mountain? 612 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,546 Why can't it be in my basement? 613 00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:52,935 - While the server is in the basement, 614 00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:55,163 it still can be stolen, right? 615 00:26:55,187 --> 00:26:58,619 So this is like money. 616 00:26:58,643 --> 00:27:00,377 It is data, yes, 617 00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:01,746 it's bits and bytes, 618 00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:03,671 but it is money at the end, 619 00:27:03,695 --> 00:27:05,232 and a lot of money. 620 00:27:05,256 --> 00:27:07,180 This is why this data centre here 621 00:27:07,204 --> 00:27:09,819 is more a bank than a data centre. 622 00:27:09,843 --> 00:27:12,125 (soft music) 623 00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:13,057 - [Torsten] Okay, let's do a quick recap. 624 00:27:13,081 --> 00:27:16,131 We now have billions of dollars worth of data 625 00:27:16,155 --> 00:27:17,440 secured in digital banks 626 00:27:17,464 --> 00:27:19,405 deep inside secret military bunkers. 627 00:27:19,429 --> 00:27:21,406 If you don't think Bitcoin 628 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:23,873 is already changing the world's concept of money, 629 00:27:23,897 --> 00:27:25,596 you haven't been paying attention. 630 00:27:26,795 --> 00:27:28,279 Remember Mervyn? 631 00:27:28,303 --> 00:27:30,667 He used to be a senior executive at Deutsche Bank. 632 00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:32,152 His colleagues once said Bitcoin 633 00:27:32,176 --> 00:27:33,714 was for law breakers and troublemakers. 634 00:27:33,738 --> 00:27:37,747 He now runs $100 million crypto fund out of Malta. 635 00:27:39,642 --> 00:27:43,906 - Our research shows that the crypto markets 636 00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:48,848 are gonna probably be worth about $8.7 trillion in 2027. 637 00:27:48,872 --> 00:27:51,416 - Which is 50x from today. 638 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,440 - Exactly. 639 00:27:58,313 --> 00:27:59,628 - [Torsten] Most financial analysts 640 00:27:59,652 --> 00:28:02,348 say you better stick to your shares and bonds and dollars. 641 00:28:02,372 --> 00:28:03,947 Bitcoin is dangerous nonsense, 642 00:28:03,971 --> 00:28:06,446 far too risky as investment. 643 00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:09,308 To others, Bitcoin is an escape hatch 644 00:28:09,332 --> 00:28:11,516 that will take them away from risk, 645 00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:13,456 an insurance against financial doomsday, 646 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,991 a way out of the debt crisis, 647 00:28:16,015 --> 00:28:17,370 negative interest rates, 648 00:28:17,394 --> 00:28:20,167 trade wars, and economic downturn. 649 00:28:20,191 --> 00:28:22,177 They say it's an anti-fragile asset 650 00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:25,262 uncorrelated to financial markets. 651 00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:26,701 So who's right here? 652 00:28:26,725 --> 00:28:28,729 Well, every time I turn on the television, 653 00:28:28,753 --> 00:28:30,207 it gets even more confusing. 654 00:28:30,231 --> 00:28:31,431 - Bitcoin is worth about a bit 655 00:28:32,873 --> 00:28:33,683 under $200 billion today. 656 00:28:33,707 --> 00:28:36,361 All the gold in the world is worth eight trillion, 657 00:28:36,385 --> 00:28:38,589 and it could become the next gold. 658 00:28:38,613 --> 00:28:41,596 - In terms of cryptocurrencies, generally, 659 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:44,842 I can say almost with certainty 660 00:28:44,866 --> 00:28:47,114 that they will come to a bad ending. 661 00:28:47,138 --> 00:28:51,076 - But if Bitcoin is out there, and gold is out there, 662 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:54,543 it can be a participant in bringing down the dollar. 663 00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:56,261 - I say it's the mother of all bubbles, 664 00:28:56,285 --> 00:28:58,499 and it's also the biggest bubble in human history. 665 00:28:58,523 --> 00:29:00,247 - Do you think this is a currency? 666 00:29:00,271 --> 00:29:01,961 A currency that's really gonna work eventually? 667 00:29:01,985 --> 00:29:04,070 - Well, I think it is working. 668 00:29:04,094 --> 00:29:07,550 And there will be other currencies like it 669 00:29:07,574 --> 00:29:09,098 that may be even better. 670 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,022 - Bitcoin is successful 671 00:29:11,046 --> 00:29:15,169 only because of its potential for circumvention, 672 00:29:15,193 --> 00:29:17,658 lack of oversight. 673 00:29:17,682 --> 00:29:20,040 So it seems to me it ought to be outlawed. 674 00:29:20,064 --> 00:29:23,175 It doesn't serve any social useful function. 675 00:29:23,199 --> 00:29:26,011 - [Torsten] This film isn't investment advice, 676 00:29:26,035 --> 00:29:27,958 but it strikes me that most of these TV shows 677 00:29:27,982 --> 00:29:29,769 just want to stir controversy. 678 00:29:29,793 --> 00:29:32,453 They don't understand what's going on, 679 00:29:32,477 --> 00:29:34,413 but they know that filling airtime 680 00:29:34,437 --> 00:29:35,931 with a controversial topic 681 00:29:35,955 --> 00:29:37,336 will get them higher ratings. 682 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,264 So how about the general public? 683 00:29:39,288 --> 00:29:41,955 In America, the younger generation 684 00:29:41,979 --> 00:29:44,135 already starts to trust this new asset class 685 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,141 and Wences says Bitcoin 686 00:29:46,165 --> 00:29:48,189 may reach a million dollars per coin. 687 00:29:48,213 --> 00:29:52,924 - I would say the biggest financial mistake 688 00:29:52,948 --> 00:29:53,983 you can make right now 689 00:29:54,007 --> 00:29:55,931 is to own an amount of Bitcoin 690 00:29:55,955 --> 00:29:57,280 that you cannot afford to lose 691 00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:59,518 because it's super risky and you may lose it. 692 00:29:59,542 --> 00:30:01,606 The second biggest financial mistake you can make 693 00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:03,114 is not to own any. 694 00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:08,133 Because you put 1% of your net worth in Bitcoin. 695 00:30:08,394 --> 00:30:12,234 Most people can afford to lose 1% of their net worth. 696 00:30:12,258 --> 00:30:13,484 And if I am right, 697 00:30:13,508 --> 00:30:15,791 it's gonna be more than 100% of your net worth, 698 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:17,363 so with a non-material exposure, 699 00:30:17,387 --> 00:30:19,098 you change your life. 700 00:30:19,122 --> 00:30:21,845 Now what you would spend on a romantic weekend 701 00:30:21,869 --> 00:30:22,745 with your wife, 702 00:30:22,769 --> 00:30:25,531 say sorry, we're not gonna do that this weekend. 703 00:30:25,555 --> 00:30:27,066 I'm gonna just buy Bitcoin. 704 00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:28,420 Consider it spent. 705 00:30:28,444 --> 00:30:30,698 It disappears, and check in seven years. 706 00:30:30,722 --> 00:30:34,752 I either give you bad advice, and cost you a weekend, 707 00:30:34,776 --> 00:30:37,170 or I want a grandkid called Wencito. 708 00:30:37,194 --> 00:30:39,275 (laughs) 709 00:30:40,141 --> 00:30:43,044 - But what you fail to mention is that the currency, 710 00:30:43,068 --> 00:30:44,283 the micro transaction. 711 00:30:44,307 --> 00:30:46,385 - All of that is irrelevant, right? 712 00:30:46,409 --> 00:30:49,697 Meaning all of the cryptocurrencies 713 00:30:49,721 --> 00:30:50,716 are way too volatile 714 00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:52,330 for anyone to take them seriously. 715 00:30:52,354 --> 00:30:55,472 - Hold on, let's go back to where we started. 716 00:30:55,496 --> 00:30:57,780 Bitcoin was created as peer to peer electronic cash. 717 00:30:57,804 --> 00:30:59,408 That was the killer app, 718 00:30:59,432 --> 00:31:01,104 a payment directly from you to me, 719 00:31:01,128 --> 00:31:03,276 from me to the coffee shop. 720 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,851 - I have bought a bag of coffee 721 00:31:06,875 --> 00:31:09,952 for two Bitcoin in 2012, 722 00:31:09,976 --> 00:31:14,971 which today costs me $12,000 in today's money. 723 00:31:15,176 --> 00:31:17,786 That is a deflationary effect. 724 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:22,385 As long as Bitcoin keeps doing sudden increases in prices, 725 00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:25,779 that's gonna stop retail use in it's tracks. 726 00:31:25,803 --> 00:31:29,068 - With Bitcoin, you can send $1 or $1 million 727 00:31:29,092 --> 00:31:31,006 worth of value anywhere in the world. 728 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:32,212 You can do it for free. 729 00:31:32,236 --> 00:31:34,283 - [Torsten] But basically, looking at it now, 730 00:31:34,307 --> 00:31:35,559 you lied to us. 731 00:31:35,583 --> 00:31:38,029 Yeah, that's what they all used to tell me, 732 00:31:38,053 --> 00:31:42,215 cheap, easy, fast, global, unstoppable. 733 00:31:42,239 --> 00:31:45,052 I'm not done with you, pal. 734 00:31:45,076 --> 00:31:46,763 But I need to explain what happened here. 735 00:31:46,787 --> 00:31:50,178 Every block contains about one megabyte of data, 736 00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:53,006 much smaller than a photo you post on Instagram. 737 00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:57,010 That means only a limited number of transactions 738 00:31:57,034 --> 00:31:58,818 can fit into each block. 739 00:31:58,842 --> 00:32:00,581 If you want your payment to jump the line, 740 00:32:00,605 --> 00:32:02,773 you can choose to pay a premium fee 741 00:32:02,797 --> 00:32:04,537 or sit and wait. 742 00:32:04,561 --> 00:32:06,865 At one point, the blocks became so full 743 00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:09,800 that the transaction time went to several hundred hours. 744 00:32:09,824 --> 00:32:12,342 That's days! 745 00:32:12,366 --> 00:32:15,097 And it was more expensive than international wire services. 746 00:32:15,121 --> 00:32:18,569 It got so bad that a Bitcoin conference 747 00:32:18,593 --> 00:32:20,667 wouldn't take payment in Bitcoins! 748 00:32:20,691 --> 00:32:23,503 And he's the guy who promised me moving money fast and for free. 749 00:32:23,527 --> 00:32:26,767 What went wrong? 750 00:32:26,791 --> 00:32:29,957 - That's a direct intentional result 751 00:32:29,981 --> 00:32:31,496 of Bitcoin Core's policies 752 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,414 of intentionally making it slow, 753 00:32:33,438 --> 00:32:34,951 expensive and unreliable. 754 00:32:34,975 --> 00:32:36,974 - [Torsten] And Roger blames this guy 755 00:32:37,876 --> 00:32:40,718 for Bitcoin not becoming a mainstream global currency. 756 00:32:40,742 --> 00:32:44,458 - There are no shortage of conspiracy theories. 757 00:32:44,482 --> 00:32:45,482 - 758 00:32:46,415 --> 00:32:48,907 - Blockstream was founded in 2014. 759 00:32:48,931 --> 00:32:52,634 The original co-founders are a lot of core developers. 760 00:32:52,658 --> 00:32:54,053 - [Torsten] Those are the software coders 761 00:32:54,077 --> 00:32:56,514 who continue building Bitcoin after Satoshi vanished. 762 00:32:56,538 --> 00:33:00,008 Roger thinks those guys sabotaged the scaling of the network 763 00:33:00,032 --> 00:33:03,339 so Blockstream could promote its own software solutions. 764 00:33:03,363 --> 00:33:05,218 Sampson says come on, 765 00:33:05,242 --> 00:33:07,965 the blockchain is already 200 Gigabytes large and growing. 766 00:33:07,989 --> 00:33:10,250 - Every transaction made 767 00:33:10,274 --> 00:33:12,914 has to go out to the whole network. 768 00:33:12,938 --> 00:33:15,874 And every block that contains that transaction that is mined 769 00:33:15,898 --> 00:33:18,189 has also to go out to the whole network. 770 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,358 And it has to be stored for eternity. 771 00:33:20,382 --> 00:33:22,244 - [Torsten] The argument, 772 00:33:22,268 --> 00:33:24,901 more independent miners will continue running Bitcoin 773 00:33:24,925 --> 00:33:27,085 and ensure decentralisation 774 00:33:27,109 --> 00:33:29,415 if the blockchain is kept small. 775 00:33:29,439 --> 00:33:31,647 In his view, this decentralisation 776 00:33:31,671 --> 00:33:33,446 is what makes Bitcoin valuable, 777 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:35,299 a store of value! 778 00:33:35,323 --> 00:33:38,229 - So holding Bitcoin is also a use case. 779 00:33:38,253 --> 00:33:39,857 - And that store money hypothesis, 780 00:33:39,881 --> 00:33:41,076 I cannot get my head around. 781 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:42,098 It's the most, 782 00:33:42,122 --> 00:33:45,302 like, nutty thing I've ever heard. 783 00:33:45,326 --> 00:33:47,669 - One philosophy could be described as Bitcoin 784 00:33:47,693 --> 00:33:50,077 as digital gold, and the other philosophy 785 00:33:50,101 --> 00:33:52,225 could be described as Bitcoin as digital cash. 786 00:33:52,249 --> 00:33:53,795 - [Torsten] The other team said 787 00:33:53,819 --> 00:33:55,827 you guys have it the wrong way around. 788 00:33:55,851 --> 00:33:58,578 First, Bitcoin needs to be usable as a currency, 789 00:33:58,602 --> 00:34:00,686 a medium of exchange. 790 00:34:00,710 --> 00:34:02,469 Then, maybe, it will become stable 791 00:34:02,493 --> 00:34:04,113 and a store of value. 792 00:34:04,137 --> 00:34:06,520 (soft music) 793 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:09,516 The solution is easy, just increase the size of the blocks 794 00:34:09,541 --> 00:34:11,585 from one to two, four, eight megabytes 795 00:34:11,609 --> 00:34:13,444 so that more transactions fit into them. 796 00:34:13,467 --> 00:34:15,572 This will lower the fees, 797 00:34:15,597 --> 00:34:18,840 and people will start using Bitcoin as cash again. 798 00:34:18,864 --> 00:34:21,235 - The original title of the Bitcoin white paper 799 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,135 is Bitcoin, an electronic peer to peer 800 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,451 electronic cash system. 801 00:34:25,475 --> 00:34:27,130 - [Torsten] But you know, Satoshi's white paper 802 00:34:27,154 --> 00:34:28,299 isn't the Bible. 803 00:34:28,322 --> 00:34:29,188 It's not a religion. 804 00:34:29,213 --> 00:34:31,266 Stuff changes, we evolve, 805 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:32,784 we might find out new things. 806 00:34:32,808 --> 00:34:36,289 So why this fixation on that white paper 807 00:34:36,313 --> 00:34:39,417 created 10 years ago. 808 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,626 - There isn't any fixation. 809 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:42,866 It's not the version of Bitcoin that I got involved with, 810 00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:44,166 and it's not the version of Bitcoin 811 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:46,141 that I want to support. 812 00:34:46,165 --> 00:34:47,489 - [Torsten] So Roger joined forces 813 00:34:47,513 --> 00:34:49,474 with a controversial online gambling billionaire, Bitmain, 814 00:34:49,498 --> 00:34:52,643 a Chinese crypto mining company and this guy. 815 00:34:52,668 --> 00:34:57,663 - I'll do whatever the fuck I want with my money. 816 00:34:57,817 --> 00:34:59,348 - [Torsten] Okay?! 817 00:34:59,372 --> 00:35:01,635 Anyway, they forced a software fork, 818 00:35:01,659 --> 00:35:03,746 which is a split into two separate blockchains. 819 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,717 Every holder of Bitcoin now also owned 820 00:35:06,741 --> 00:35:08,487 the same amount of Bitcoin cash. 821 00:35:08,511 --> 00:35:12,424 - Roger had nothing to do with the creation of Bitcoin cash. 822 00:35:12,448 --> 00:35:13,347 Roger didn't know about it 823 00:35:13,371 --> 00:35:15,206 until a few weeks before it actually happened. 824 00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:17,419 - [Torsten] But still, Bitcoin Jesus 825 00:35:17,443 --> 00:35:19,000 had become Bitcoin Judas. 826 00:35:19,024 --> 00:35:21,896 - Every revolution is followed by the counter-revolution, 827 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,404 which is usually a purge of the original revolutionaries. 828 00:35:25,428 --> 00:35:29,745 - People are very passionate about Bitcoin. 829 00:35:29,769 --> 00:35:34,722 And that's why they show a lot of emotion. 830 00:35:34,746 --> 00:35:36,021 - When you're part of a tribe, 831 00:35:36,045 --> 00:35:37,949 you get very religious about your tribe, 832 00:35:37,973 --> 00:35:39,923 making the other tribe almost your enemy. 833 00:35:39,947 --> 00:35:43,332 - It's very hard to debate Roger 834 00:35:43,356 --> 00:35:46,392 because a lot of what he's saying is just his opinions 835 00:35:46,416 --> 00:35:47,739 and his emotions. 836 00:35:47,763 --> 00:35:49,882 You cannot debate someone's emotions. 837 00:35:49,906 --> 00:35:53,443 - And then they basically diverted entire Bitcoin project 838 00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:56,670 into something that wasn't usable as peer to peer cash. 839 00:35:56,694 --> 00:35:58,219 - When he gave his talk, 840 00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:01,465 I kinda knew that that whole debate slash panel, 841 00:36:01,489 --> 00:36:03,214 I kind of expected it to go off the rails, 842 00:36:03,238 --> 00:36:04,842 but I didn't expect killing babies. 843 00:36:04,866 --> 00:36:05,990 - So that means more babies 844 00:36:06,014 --> 00:36:09,148 are dying in countries around the world 845 00:36:09,172 --> 00:36:11,385 because they have less economic freedom. 846 00:36:11,409 --> 00:36:13,453 More people are starving to death 847 00:36:13,477 --> 00:36:15,264 because they have less economic freedom. 848 00:36:15,288 --> 00:36:18,378 People are literally dying because of this. 849 00:36:18,402 --> 00:36:19,259 I'm not exaggerating. 850 00:36:19,283 --> 00:36:20,773 This is a life and death matter. 851 00:36:20,797 --> 00:36:23,764 - [Torsten] And remember that list of promises 852 00:36:23,788 --> 00:36:25,432 that early Bitcoiners championed? 853 00:36:25,456 --> 00:36:29,654 Cheap, easy, fast, unstoppable. 854 00:36:29,678 --> 00:36:31,328 I forgot one. 855 00:36:31,352 --> 00:36:33,204 - If you don't support free speech, 856 00:36:33,228 --> 00:36:34,332 you don't support Bitcoin. 857 00:36:34,356 --> 00:36:35,561 You're an enemy of Bitcoin. 858 00:36:35,585 --> 00:36:38,159 - [Torsten] Censorship shall not be abided. 859 00:36:38,183 --> 00:36:39,767 - In fact, I myself 860 00:36:39,791 --> 00:36:41,775 have tried posting just a direct quote 861 00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:43,044 from Satoshi Nakamoto, 862 00:36:43,068 --> 00:36:44,123 the creator of Bitcoin. 863 00:36:44,147 --> 00:36:46,738 - I think Roger complains a lot about censorship on Reddit, 864 00:36:46,762 --> 00:36:51,246 but Reddit is just one of many platforms. 865 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:53,016 - Word for word quote from Satoshi, 866 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,341 without any additional commentary from myself at all, 867 00:36:55,365 --> 00:36:57,929 and I've had that post deleted. 868 00:36:57,953 --> 00:36:59,697 - Even though I may not agree with a lot of things 869 00:36:59,721 --> 00:37:00,966 that Roger Ver is doing now, 870 00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:02,352 I do sympathise with him 871 00:37:02,376 --> 00:37:04,520 and his frustration with being censored. 872 00:37:04,544 --> 00:37:06,880 - They're literally censoring the words 873 00:37:06,904 --> 00:37:08,428 of the creator of Bitcoin. 874 00:37:08,452 --> 00:37:09,577 - Ultimately, it's just a forum 875 00:37:09,601 --> 00:37:11,156 that these guys set up 876 00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:12,534 to talk about Bitcoin, 877 00:37:12,558 --> 00:37:14,346 and they can do whatever they want with it, right? 878 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,030 - [Torsten] When I first started covering this space, 879 00:37:17,054 --> 00:37:18,838 everyone was united in their struggle 880 00:37:18,862 --> 00:37:20,456 against the establishment. 881 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,134 Now the industry has grown so much 882 00:37:22,158 --> 00:37:24,083 that they are competing parties, 883 00:37:24,107 --> 00:37:26,244 propaganda machines, conspiracy theories. 884 00:37:26,268 --> 00:37:28,338 Looks a lot like politics. 885 00:37:28,362 --> 00:37:30,949 - The biggest fight within the Bitcoin ecosystem 886 00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:32,055 is over at the moment 887 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,044 is who has the right to the name Bitcoin? 888 00:37:34,068 --> 00:37:35,311 But at the end of the day, 889 00:37:35,335 --> 00:37:37,439 I think the version of Bitcoin described 890 00:37:37,463 --> 00:37:38,562 in the Bitcoin white paper 891 00:37:38,586 --> 00:37:41,354 has the strongest claim to the name Bitcoin 892 00:37:41,378 --> 00:37:42,571 than anything else. 893 00:37:42,595 --> 00:37:44,352 And that's Bitcoin Cash. 894 00:37:44,376 --> 00:37:45,825 - [Torsten] Roger owns Bitcoin.com 895 00:37:46,844 --> 00:37:48,278 and he has every intention of bringing Bitcoin Cash 896 00:37:48,302 --> 00:37:49,627 to the masses, 897 00:37:49,651 --> 00:37:51,151 even if it means that some people 898 00:37:51,175 --> 00:37:52,524 coming to his website 899 00:37:52,548 --> 00:37:54,050 think that they're buying Bitcoin 900 00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:55,938 but they're getting Bitcoin Cash. 901 00:37:57,253 --> 00:38:00,064 - I think it's fraudulent to say that in causing people 902 00:38:00,088 --> 00:38:03,328 to buy Bitcoin Cash when they actually want to buy Bitcoin. 903 00:38:21,629 --> 00:38:23,054 - [Torsten] So Bitcoin core fans 904 00:38:23,078 --> 00:38:25,631 say Roger is hijacking the brand name, 905 00:38:25,655 --> 00:38:28,468 and Bitcoin Cash supports claim that Blockstream 906 00:38:28,492 --> 00:38:31,096 is hijacking Bitcoin's development. 907 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,583 - I mean yeah, it is a conflict of interest 908 00:38:32,607 --> 00:38:36,360 because they're developing this open source protocol 909 00:38:36,384 --> 00:38:39,662 in a way where their company can benefit from it. 910 00:38:39,686 --> 00:38:41,345 - Everything we're doing is open source, 911 00:38:41,369 --> 00:38:45,831 so it's not like there's some secrecy or anything. 912 00:38:45,855 --> 00:38:48,069 You can see all the code that's committed, 913 00:38:48,093 --> 00:38:49,806 and it does go through this vetting process. 914 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:51,746 - They have had influence. 915 00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:54,859 I wouldn't say it's not true. 916 00:38:54,883 --> 00:38:58,638 But I don't think they have enough influence 917 00:38:58,662 --> 00:39:01,285 to actually corrupt Bitcoin. 918 00:39:01,309 --> 00:39:03,243 - We no longer have anyone maintaining the project 919 00:39:03,267 --> 00:39:04,352 just because we don't want 920 00:39:04,376 --> 00:39:06,927 that potential conflict of interest. 921 00:39:06,951 --> 00:39:09,692 - But in a way, now they've won the battle anyways. 922 00:39:09,716 --> 00:39:12,278 - [Torsten] So who won Bitcoin's first war? 923 00:39:12,302 --> 00:39:14,939 Well, both parties got their way. 924 00:39:14,963 --> 00:39:18,260 After the split, the market valued Bitcoins much higher. 925 00:39:18,284 --> 00:39:22,845 And Bitcoin Cash transaction fees were much lower. 926 00:39:22,869 --> 00:39:25,843 - The benefit of the scaling debate or civil war was 927 00:39:25,867 --> 00:39:27,919 Bitcoin was battle tested. 928 00:39:27,943 --> 00:39:29,477 Like a lot of companies 929 00:39:29,501 --> 00:39:30,776 and a lot of powerful people 930 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,351 tried very hard to try to change Bitcoin, and they failed. 931 00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:38,485 - This thing that Satoshi Nakamoto launched 932 00:39:38,509 --> 00:39:42,301 is much more resilient than anyone even hoped. 933 00:39:48,252 --> 00:39:49,587 - I know, I know, you want to find out 934 00:39:49,611 --> 00:39:51,075 what any of this has to do 935 00:39:51,099 --> 00:39:53,893 with this new crytopia, a revolutionary internet. 936 00:39:53,917 --> 00:39:54,773 We'll get there, I promise. 937 00:39:54,797 --> 00:39:58,221 But first, we need to go from Bitcoins original blockchain 938 00:39:58,245 --> 00:40:00,083 to hundreds of blockchains. 939 00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:05,247 Back in 2011, when Charlie Lee was a Google engineer, 940 00:40:05,271 --> 00:40:07,489 he wanted a faster and lighter version 941 00:40:07,513 --> 00:40:09,149 of Satoshi's cryptocurrency, 942 00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:11,213 and was one of the first to experiment 943 00:40:11,237 --> 00:40:13,369 with the open source software. 944 00:40:13,393 --> 00:40:15,910 - The actual coding in terms of the code differences 945 00:40:15,934 --> 00:40:17,849 became Bitcoin and Litecoin 946 00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:19,078 was actually pretty trivial. 947 00:40:19,102 --> 00:40:21,183 - And what does that mean in time? 948 00:40:21,207 --> 00:40:25,877 - I would say like four, four or five hours. 949 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,962 - Litecoin was positioned as silver 950 00:40:27,986 --> 00:40:29,757 to Bitcoin's gold. 951 00:40:29,781 --> 00:40:32,458 And it's network value grew to billions of dollars. 952 00:40:32,482 --> 00:40:35,681 Some critics say: Well, you sold at the highest point, 953 00:40:35,705 --> 00:40:37,369 and you kind of hurt the community. 954 00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:38,688 What's your response to that? 955 00:40:38,712 --> 00:40:41,145 - When I sold, no one knew it was at the highest point. 956 00:40:41,169 --> 00:40:42,664 I didn't know it was gonna be the highest point. 957 00:40:42,688 --> 00:40:44,098 Everyone thought it was gonna keep going up. 958 00:40:44,122 --> 00:40:47,067 In hindsight, it was good timing, 959 00:40:47,091 --> 00:40:48,655 selling it at that high. 960 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,332 But I'm still focused full-time on Litecoin adoption, 961 00:40:51,356 --> 00:40:54,392 and working on Litecoin, Litecoin development. 962 00:40:54,416 --> 00:40:56,626 So it's not like I sold it and just quit. 963 00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:59,846 Nobody gets to kind of dictate 964 00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:03,258 how Bitcoin improves or grows. 965 00:41:03,282 --> 00:41:08,109 Whereas with Litecoin, I have a strong influence 966 00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,026 on the growth of Litecoin, 967 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,211 which is good and bad. 968 00:41:11,235 --> 00:41:15,461 It's kinda like difference between the benevolent dictator 969 00:41:15,485 --> 00:41:18,424 versus a democracy. 970 00:41:18,448 --> 00:41:20,899 The benevolent dictator is more efficient, 971 00:41:20,923 --> 00:41:22,694 but you have to assume 972 00:41:22,718 --> 00:41:24,466 that the benevolent dictator stays benevolent. 973 00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:25,870 - Let's put a pin in that. 974 00:41:25,894 --> 00:41:29,015 Litecoin was one of the first alternative cryptocurrencies, 975 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,748 or alt-coins. 976 00:41:30,772 --> 00:41:33,877 Some of the early adopters, like Charlie, made fortunes. 977 00:41:33,901 --> 00:41:36,090 Soon, there were hundreds of coins 978 00:41:36,114 --> 00:41:39,771 made by cryptographers, copycats, and con-men. 979 00:41:39,795 --> 00:41:41,615 There's a coin for bloggers, 980 00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,426 a currency for online gamers, 981 00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:46,270 one with anonymity, and even one for banks. 982 00:41:46,294 --> 00:41:50,100 But can this invention unleash something even more powerful 983 00:41:50,124 --> 00:41:52,114 than digital currencies? 984 00:41:52,138 --> 00:41:54,469 (dog barks) 985 00:41:56,194 --> 00:41:59,471 Back in 2014, I met the kid who knew how to do it. 986 00:41:59,495 --> 00:42:01,815 - Hi, I'm Vitalik Buterin, 987 00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:03,793 co-founder of Bitcoin Magazine, 988 00:42:03,817 --> 00:42:04,626 founder of Ethereum, 989 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:07,291 and just general Bitcoin and crypto currency advocate. 990 00:42:07,315 --> 00:42:09,212 - [Torsten] Just 19 years old, 991 00:42:09,236 --> 00:42:12,391 Vitalik was on a mission to make money programmable. 992 00:42:16,854 --> 00:42:18,496 - Vitalik is a very very smart guy. 993 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,984 The thing about Vitalik is he was pushed away of Bitcoin 994 00:42:22,008 --> 00:42:25,661 because he had gone to to Bitcoin Core developers 995 00:42:25,685 --> 00:42:28,418 and tried to build Ethereum on top of Bitcoin. 996 00:42:28,442 --> 00:42:31,217 - [Torsten] And they basically said nope, not interested. 997 00:42:31,241 --> 00:42:34,093 So he built a separate blockchain called Ethereum, 998 00:42:34,117 --> 00:42:36,840 with its own currency called Ether. 999 00:42:36,864 --> 00:42:40,379 - A comparison might be Bitcoin is like a spreadsheet, 1000 00:42:40,403 --> 00:42:43,664 and Ethereum is like a spreadsheet with macros. 1001 00:42:43,688 --> 00:42:46,999 - [Torsten] Using our analogy, Ethereum allows you 1002 00:42:47,023 --> 00:42:49,627 to store cryptocurrency and computer code 1003 00:42:49,651 --> 00:42:51,242 in the same secure box. 1004 00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:54,739 Here's how a smart contract might work. 1005 00:42:54,763 --> 00:42:57,619 Let's say I bet Charlie 1006 00:42:57,643 --> 00:43:00,636 that a Litecoin will be worth $200 1007 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,588 on January 1st of next year. 1008 00:43:02,612 --> 00:43:04,862 We each put an ether into a box 1009 00:43:04,886 --> 00:43:06,440 along with a smart contract, 1010 00:43:06,464 --> 00:43:08,778 a simple programme that automatically checks 1011 00:43:08,802 --> 00:43:10,186 the price of Litecoins 1012 00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:11,805 on that future date. 1013 00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:13,823 If I'm right, the money goes to me. 1014 00:43:13,847 --> 00:43:14,683 If I'm wrong, 1015 00:43:14,707 --> 00:43:15,818 it's sent to Charlie. 1016 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:22,716 - A smart contract is neither smart nor a contract. 1017 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:24,256 It's a dumb program. 1018 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,774 And once you understand that all it is a dumb program, 1019 00:43:27,798 --> 00:43:29,579 that clarifies a lot of stuff. 1020 00:43:29,603 --> 00:43:32,642 And the word contract there is in the meaning of finance. 1021 00:43:32,666 --> 00:43:35,603 - [Narrator] Most financial arrangements 1022 00:43:35,627 --> 00:43:37,823 are pretty simple and clear cut. 1023 00:43:37,847 --> 00:43:39,537 A bet with Charlie, 1024 00:43:39,561 --> 00:43:40,467 your home loan, 1025 00:43:40,491 --> 00:43:41,597 and insurance policy, 1026 00:43:41,621 --> 00:43:44,653 just two parties and some form of exchange of value 1027 00:43:44,677 --> 00:43:47,170 based on a set of rules called a contract. 1028 00:43:47,194 --> 00:43:49,646 The same is true for global financial markets. 1029 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:52,643 Think bonds, futures, derivatives, 1030 00:43:52,667 --> 00:43:54,612 credit default swaps. 1031 00:43:54,636 --> 00:43:56,330 They're all just contracts, 1032 00:43:56,354 --> 00:43:58,715 and the world economy runs on them using middlemen 1033 00:43:58,739 --> 00:44:00,881 who all charge high fees. 1034 00:44:00,905 --> 00:44:04,165 Proponents say that if we used smart contracts, 1035 00:44:04,189 --> 00:44:06,010 we could tell the bankers, 1036 00:44:06,034 --> 00:44:09,577 lawyers, escrow agents, and Wall Street finance guys 1037 00:44:09,601 --> 00:44:10,875 to take a hike. 1038 00:44:10,899 --> 00:44:13,862 - A soda machine is a smart contract machine, right. 1039 00:44:13,886 --> 00:44:16,022 You stick in a dollar, you get a soda. 1040 00:44:16,046 --> 00:44:17,828 It's very, very simple. 1041 00:44:17,852 --> 00:44:19,472 The soda machine does take statistics, 1042 00:44:19,496 --> 00:44:22,104 and it has to make sure that you can't scam it 1043 00:44:22,128 --> 00:44:23,623 by stealing the soda, 1044 00:44:23,647 --> 00:44:25,970 but Ethereum and the people 1045 00:44:25,994 --> 00:44:27,463 that are trying to decentralise this 1046 00:44:27,487 --> 00:44:30,566 will tell you that that transaction, 1047 00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:33,027 that smart contract between you and the soda machine 1048 00:44:33,051 --> 00:44:36,948 is so critical that it needs to be globally processed 1049 00:44:36,972 --> 00:44:41,147 and saved at 100,000 decentralised computers 1050 00:44:41,171 --> 00:44:43,433 because it is so sensitive. 1051 00:44:43,457 --> 00:44:46,986 And in reality, 99% of all of these contracts, 1052 00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:50,795 they don't need this kind of censorship resistance. 1053 00:44:50,819 --> 00:44:51,804 - [Torsten] You know, in two years time 1054 00:44:51,828 --> 00:44:53,063 when people will see this film, 1055 00:44:53,087 --> 00:44:53,896 or in four years time, 1056 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,710 I think will be an interesting historic moment. 1057 00:44:56,734 --> 00:44:58,975 - What we're doing is we're saying, 1058 00:44:58,999 --> 00:44:59,808 we have this Ethereum network, 1059 00:44:59,832 --> 00:45:02,290 inside the Ethereum network there's this asset called Ether, 1060 00:45:02,314 --> 00:45:04,632 and we're actually going to be selling Ether. 1061 00:45:04,656 --> 00:45:05,512 We're going to be selling Ether 1062 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:07,529 at a rate of 1,000 to 2,000 Ether for one Bitcoin. 1063 00:45:07,553 --> 00:45:10,106 And that's how we're gonna raise all the money. 1064 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:11,475 - [Torsten] It worked. 1065 00:45:11,499 --> 00:45:13,084 Vitalik figured out a way to fun the Ethereum project. 1066 00:45:13,108 --> 00:45:15,784 And it made his investors very rich. 1067 00:45:15,808 --> 00:45:18,807 (soft music) 1068 00:45:18,831 --> 00:45:20,587 This new model for fundraising soon had a name, 1069 00:45:20,611 --> 00:45:24,821 and initial coin offering, or ICO. 1070 00:45:24,845 --> 00:45:27,878 - IPOs and ICOs sound similar, 1071 00:45:27,902 --> 00:45:30,056 but they have, they're nothing similar. 1072 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,285 The only thing similar about them 1073 00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:33,500 is they both help you raise money. 1074 00:45:34,741 --> 00:45:37,649 IPOs, you don't do until you have a company, 1075 00:45:37,673 --> 00:45:38,777 until you have revenue, 1076 00:45:38,801 --> 00:45:40,036 until you have users, 1077 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:42,883 until you can actually prove to the public investors 1078 00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:44,142 that this is a valuable company 1079 00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:45,231 that's worth investing in, 1080 00:45:45,255 --> 00:45:47,079 and it's worth buying their stock. 1081 00:45:47,103 --> 00:45:50,167 ICOs, it's pre-product. 1082 00:45:50,191 --> 00:45:52,684 You have maybe a couple of people on the team. 1083 00:45:52,708 --> 00:45:54,192 It's just a white paper. 1084 00:45:54,216 --> 00:45:56,083 And so people are just buying into, 1085 00:45:56,107 --> 00:45:59,412 trust into faith that this is something that will exist. 1086 00:45:59,436 --> 00:46:02,026 - [Torsten] And this is the guy who opened the floodgates. 1087 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,161 He crated a standard called ERC-20, 1088 00:46:05,185 --> 00:46:08,705 enabling you or me or anyone to create an ICO. 1089 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:11,505 - So on the one hand, 1090 00:46:11,529 --> 00:46:12,445 you have these smart contracts, 1091 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:14,176 these little programmes that can talk to each other, 1092 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,489 but you have to define how do they talk to each other. 1093 00:46:17,513 --> 00:46:19,751 And because everybody now agrees to that same standard. 1094 00:46:19,775 --> 00:46:22,614 - [Torsten] Smart contracts can interact 1095 00:46:22,638 --> 00:46:24,107 within the entire Ethereum network 1096 00:46:24,131 --> 00:46:27,967 and the ERC-20 standard allow the creation of tokens. 1097 00:46:27,991 --> 00:46:31,595 - The goal here is like, ultimately, 1098 00:46:31,619 --> 00:46:32,634 I'd like to see eight year olds 1099 00:46:32,658 --> 00:46:34,048 building their own financial systems. 1100 00:46:34,072 --> 00:46:37,276 - [Torsten] Yeah, but what if some of these eight year olds 1101 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,081 are also scammers? 1102 00:46:39,105 --> 00:46:42,396 - So let's say I'm trying to do a ICO, 1103 00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:44,843 and I create a smart contract 1104 00:46:44,867 --> 00:46:47,525 where I create a million coins, 1105 00:46:47,549 --> 00:46:51,316 and one of the transactions is that if you 1106 00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:55,764 send me $100, I will send you that many worth of coins. 1107 00:46:55,788 --> 00:46:58,433 - [Torsten] It was a mad gold rush. 1108 00:46:58,457 --> 00:47:00,416 - People realised wow, if, 1109 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,053 if I can just pull up, pull together a project 1110 00:47:03,077 --> 00:47:04,305 and a white paper, I can raise money. 1111 00:47:04,329 --> 00:47:06,197 - Like a lot of money. 1112 00:47:06,221 --> 00:47:08,636 (soft music) 1113 00:47:23,736 --> 00:47:25,956 Some people hawking new coins didn't actually exist. 1114 00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:29,007 This handsome chap is the graphic designer 1115 00:47:29,031 --> 00:47:30,715 of a Bulgarian ICO. 1116 00:47:30,739 --> 00:47:33,530 Actually, they just posted a photo of Ryan Gosling. 1117 00:47:33,554 --> 00:47:36,679 Another project raised millions in Ether, 1118 00:47:36,703 --> 00:47:38,158 and then vanished, 1119 00:47:38,182 --> 00:47:40,935 leaving investors with this website. 1120 00:47:40,959 --> 00:47:43,352 Look closer, that's nice. 1121 00:47:43,376 --> 00:47:46,110 Most of the scam coins were built 1122 00:47:46,134 --> 00:47:47,505 on Vitalik's smart contract platform Ethereum 1123 00:47:47,529 --> 00:47:50,604 using Fabian's token standard. 1124 00:47:50,628 --> 00:47:54,617 This innovation has enabled a lot of criminals and scammers. 1125 00:47:54,641 --> 00:47:59,636 - So I would say the amount of scams 1126 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,973 in that system are rather low. 1127 00:48:02,997 --> 00:48:04,991 It sometimes looks bigger than it is. 1128 00:48:05,015 --> 00:48:08,058 I would assume that the actual scams, 1129 00:48:08,082 --> 00:48:11,555 purposeful scams, in that system 1130 00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:13,433 maybe were like two or three percent. 1131 00:48:13,457 --> 00:48:17,744 I would say actually most ICOs were not scams. 1132 00:48:17,768 --> 00:48:21,125 - I would say about two to five percent of the thousands of ICOs 1133 00:48:21,149 --> 00:48:22,856 that are happening are actually legit. 1134 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,673 - [Torsten] And the rest is? 1135 00:48:24,697 --> 00:48:27,170 - Pretty scammy, or just not gonna work. 1136 00:48:27,194 --> 00:48:31,969 - Can you define for me what a shitcoin is? 1137 00:48:31,993 --> 00:48:33,465 (laughs) 1138 00:48:33,489 --> 00:48:37,552 - I think it's just a derogatory term people use 1139 00:48:37,576 --> 00:48:40,509 on coins that they don't like 1140 00:48:40,533 --> 00:48:42,421 for Bitcoin maximalists, 1141 00:48:42,445 --> 00:48:44,871 people who only care about Bitcoin, 1142 00:48:44,895 --> 00:48:46,454 everything else is a shitcoin. 1143 00:48:46,478 --> 00:48:48,158 In my point of view, 1144 00:48:48,182 --> 00:48:52,873 I think a coin that is kind of a scam is a shitcoin. 1145 00:48:52,897 --> 00:48:56,211 So people create coins just to get rich from it, 1146 00:48:56,235 --> 00:48:58,997 print a lot of tokens out of thin air, 1147 00:48:59,021 --> 00:49:00,096 trying to pump the price up 1148 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,034 and make a lot of money from it. 1149 00:49:02,058 --> 00:49:03,625 And it's not really providing a lot of value 1150 00:49:03,649 --> 00:49:06,450 to the world. 1151 00:49:06,474 --> 00:49:08,348 - [Torsten] No value for the world, 1152 00:49:08,372 --> 00:49:10,412 but they did add value for their creators. 1153 00:49:10,436 --> 00:49:12,937 If you can print billions of tokens out of thin air 1154 00:49:12,961 --> 00:49:15,712 like a central bank, well, that's why this guy 1155 00:49:15,736 --> 00:49:18,702 was one of the wealthiest men on earth for a brief moment. 1156 00:49:18,726 --> 00:49:21,435 Here's how that happened. 1157 00:49:21,459 --> 00:49:23,782 - [Narrator] There will only every be 21 million Bitcoins, 1158 00:49:23,806 --> 00:49:26,320 and it's inventor had to earn them 1159 00:49:26,344 --> 00:49:27,958 by mining with his computers 1160 00:49:27,982 --> 00:49:29,536 just like everyone else. 1161 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,925 There are more Litecoins, 1162 00:49:30,949 --> 00:49:33,195 and even more Ether in circulation. 1163 00:49:33,219 --> 00:49:36,092 Vitalik kept some portion to fund the development team. 1164 00:49:36,116 --> 00:49:38,312 And then there's Ripple. 1165 00:49:38,336 --> 00:49:41,494 They created 100 billion XRP 1166 00:49:41,518 --> 00:49:44,191 but kept 80% for themselves and their clients. 1167 00:49:44,215 --> 00:49:47,534 And the other 20%, they gave as a bonus to the founders. 1168 00:49:47,558 --> 00:49:50,560 That's how you get to be one of the richest men on earth. 1169 00:49:50,584 --> 00:49:53,945 - [Torsten] Okay, maybe I was a bit too harsh on ICOs 1170 00:49:53,969 --> 00:49:57,306 democratising start up finance can be a good thing. 1171 00:49:57,330 --> 00:50:00,429 There were many legit companies raising capital too. 1172 00:50:00,453 --> 00:50:02,883 Over the years, I've met many founders 1173 00:50:02,907 --> 00:50:05,281 who have real offices with real people 1174 00:50:05,305 --> 00:50:07,076 trying to solve real problems. 1175 00:50:08,574 --> 00:50:10,079 But to Bitcoin maximalists, 1176 00:50:10,103 --> 00:50:13,352 Bitcoin is the be all end all of cryptocurrency. 1177 00:50:13,376 --> 00:50:16,610 Other blockchains, ICOs, smart contracts, 1178 00:50:16,634 --> 00:50:19,014 that's all a waste of time. 1179 00:50:22,832 --> 00:50:26,380 - There is no such thing as blockchains, 1180 00:50:26,404 --> 00:50:29,257 that revolutionise the healthcare industry, 1181 00:50:29,281 --> 00:50:31,106 and the automotive production... 1182 00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:33,152 - Of course there is. 1183 00:50:33,176 --> 00:50:34,103 - Huh? 1184 00:50:34,127 --> 00:50:34,936 - Of course there is. 1185 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,155 What you're saying is a maximalist point of view. 1186 00:50:36,179 --> 00:50:39,285 You are speaking about from a perspective of, 1187 00:50:39,309 --> 00:50:41,532 of a cult or a sect. 1188 00:50:41,556 --> 00:50:46,439 My problem is that you are hijacking a movement 1189 00:50:46,463 --> 00:50:48,880 of a technology that is far greater 1190 00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:51,055 and has far more potential 1191 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,712 than just these individuals. 1192 00:50:53,736 --> 00:50:55,061 - There's all of these different things 1193 00:50:55,085 --> 00:50:56,347 that you could use blockchain for, right. 1194 00:50:56,371 --> 00:50:57,838 And so people have, 1195 00:50:57,862 --> 00:50:59,713 they're almost like different ecosystems. 1196 00:50:59,737 --> 00:51:02,937 And then what you see is almost like an evolutionary process 1197 00:51:02,961 --> 00:51:05,207 right, where the blockchains fork 1198 00:51:05,231 --> 00:51:06,999 and they have the same ancestries, 1199 00:51:07,023 --> 00:51:08,474 but they adapt to different environments 1200 00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:12,324 and we see this like every increasing level of diversity 1201 00:51:12,348 --> 00:51:13,668 in number of blockchains. 1202 00:51:13,692 --> 00:51:16,010 So I think the idea that here's like one blockchain, 1203 00:51:16,034 --> 00:51:16,843 gonna be one blockchain 1204 00:51:16,867 --> 00:51:18,656 and it's gonna be fit for everything, 1205 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,675 it's almost like disregarding the nature of evolution. 1206 00:51:24,029 --> 00:51:27,448 - Meanwhile, the big corporations 1207 00:51:27,472 --> 00:51:28,846 have been studying cryptocurrency. 1208 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:31,754 And they think that Bitcoin's underlying database 1209 00:51:31,778 --> 00:51:33,073 is where the magic is. 1210 00:51:33,097 --> 00:51:34,508 The motto in the boardrooms, 1211 00:51:36,953 --> 00:51:38,761 Blockchain, not Bitcoin! 1212 00:51:42,911 --> 00:51:44,181 Back in Germany, my friend Oliver 1213 00:51:44,205 --> 00:51:46,559 keeps tabs on the men in suits. 1214 00:51:46,583 --> 00:51:48,085 He used to be one of them. 1215 00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:54,787 - [Torsten] BMW is looking at using the blockchain 1216 00:52:04,664 --> 00:52:06,889 for their future fleet of electric cars 1217 00:52:06,913 --> 00:52:08,816 to interact with public transport. 1218 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,754 Lufthansa wants to see if the blockchain 1219 00:52:11,778 --> 00:52:13,362 can better track parts and maintenance. 1220 00:52:13,386 --> 00:52:16,449 And Deutsche Telekom is using smart contracts 1221 00:52:16,473 --> 00:52:17,838 to negotiate tariffs 1222 00:52:17,862 --> 00:52:19,964 for roaming costs with other telecoms. 1223 00:52:19,988 --> 00:52:22,402 (soft music) 1224 00:52:26,603 --> 00:52:28,526 if we can store trade certificates and shipping documents 1225 00:52:28,550 --> 00:52:30,246 on the blockchain, 1226 00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:33,153 you can check to see where those organic avocados 1227 00:52:33,177 --> 00:52:34,963 really came from, who grew them, 1228 00:52:34,987 --> 00:52:36,629 who packed them, 1229 00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:37,702 and who shipped them. 1230 00:52:38,701 --> 00:52:40,335 Besides, the Internet of things 1231 00:52:40,359 --> 00:52:42,546 needs a ledger of all those things. 1232 00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:44,931 Well, that's the idea 1233 00:52:44,955 --> 00:52:47,059 behind private centralised blockchains, 1234 00:52:47,083 --> 00:52:49,586 maintained and controlled by corporations. 1235 00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:51,804 A famous example, the Walmart supply chain trial, 1236 00:52:51,828 --> 00:52:53,770 which they're working with IBM. 1237 00:52:53,794 --> 00:52:56,090 That's a completely centralised. 1238 00:52:56,114 --> 00:52:59,526 They use a blockchain derived product Hyperledger, 1239 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:01,467 but all the nodes reside on the IBM cloud, 1240 00:53:01,491 --> 00:53:04,022 and they're all administered by Walmart, 1241 00:53:04,046 --> 00:53:06,258 and the supplier is used because Walmart told them to. 1242 00:53:06,282 --> 00:53:08,476 It's a centralised database system! 1243 00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:10,253 But they marketed it Blockchain. 1244 00:53:10,277 --> 00:53:11,782 So that means one, 1245 00:53:11,806 --> 00:53:14,035 they wouldn't have got a New York Times headline 1246 00:53:14,059 --> 00:53:15,777 if they just said database. 1247 00:53:15,801 --> 00:53:17,458 - [Torsten] You might wonder 1248 00:53:17,482 --> 00:53:18,807 what's the point of a blockchain 1249 00:53:18,831 --> 00:53:20,174 if it's controlled by a company? 1250 00:53:20,198 --> 00:53:22,314 Well, I compare it to the open Internet 1251 00:53:22,338 --> 00:53:24,211 versus company owned Intranets. 1252 00:53:24,235 --> 00:53:26,263 They both exist. 1253 00:53:26,287 --> 00:53:29,653 Meanwhile, Facebook announced a cryptocurrency 1254 00:53:29,677 --> 00:53:31,553 for their two billion users. 1255 00:53:31,577 --> 00:53:34,062 Such a system might be more efficient 1256 00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:35,480 than a public blockchain, 1257 00:53:35,504 --> 00:53:37,019 but there's a downside. 1258 00:53:37,043 --> 00:53:37,977 Some Governments banned it within weeks. 1259 00:53:38,001 --> 00:53:42,034 (group chatter) 1260 00:53:42,058 --> 00:53:43,682 - Right now, the ways, pieces of paper, 1261 00:53:43,706 --> 00:53:45,920 that's being shifted around, that doesn't make any sense. 1262 00:53:45,944 --> 00:53:47,608 That infrastructure needs to be replaced. 1263 00:53:47,632 --> 00:53:49,107 - [Torsten] Why occupy Wall Street 1264 00:53:49,131 --> 00:53:51,366 when we can build a new one on the blockchain instead? 1265 00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:53,584 In the future of decentralised finance, 1266 00:53:53,608 --> 00:53:56,839 stock certificate, corporate bonds, 1267 00:53:56,863 --> 00:53:59,296 insurance policies, property deeds, 1268 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,825 mortgages, all can be turned into crypto tokens 1269 00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:03,795 and made tradable 24/7. 1270 00:54:03,819 --> 00:54:06,733 (electronic music) 1271 00:54:14,728 --> 00:54:17,808 (electronic buzzing) 1272 00:54:25,784 --> 00:54:28,247 - What's much more exciting than tokenized securities 1273 00:54:28,271 --> 00:54:30,515 of traditional businesses where it's just equity 1274 00:54:30,539 --> 00:54:31,455 that you pass around 1275 00:54:31,479 --> 00:54:33,982 is totally novel digital securities 1276 00:54:34,006 --> 00:54:36,120 that you couldn't do before, right. 1277 00:54:36,144 --> 00:54:38,294 Novel use cases where you could kick back cash flow 1278 00:54:38,318 --> 00:54:39,825 on a continual basis. 1279 00:54:39,849 --> 00:54:41,804 I think some examples of this 1280 00:54:41,828 --> 00:54:42,952 that we're seeing now are MakerDao, 1281 00:54:42,976 --> 00:54:45,992 Binance which has Binance Coin, 1282 00:54:46,016 --> 00:54:49,137 that's actually much bigger of an opportunity 1283 00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:50,950 because it represents something totally new. 1284 00:54:50,974 --> 00:54:53,388 (soft music) 1285 00:54:56,783 --> 00:54:58,086 - My name is Dr. Jemma Green, 1286 00:54:58,110 --> 00:55:01,621 and I'm a co-founder and the chairman of PowerLedger. 1287 00:55:01,645 --> 00:55:03,792 And we use the blockchain 1288 00:55:03,816 --> 00:55:05,391 to enable electricity trading, 1289 00:55:05,415 --> 00:55:09,386 energy asset financing, and carbon markets. 1290 00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:11,224 - [Torsten] This award winning Australian company 1291 00:55:11,248 --> 00:55:13,317 wants to take us to a carbon-free economy faster. 1292 00:55:13,341 --> 00:55:15,664 Jemma has identified a problem. 1293 00:55:15,688 --> 00:55:19,186 - Apartment buildings, often the buildings are tenanted. 1294 00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:21,180 An it means that if there is solar panels, 1295 00:55:21,204 --> 00:55:24,271 the owner of the apartment isn't really incentivize 1296 00:55:24,295 --> 00:55:25,880 to put in solar panels or batteries 1297 00:55:25,904 --> 00:55:27,368 because the tenant benefits. 1298 00:55:27,392 --> 00:55:28,927 But using our platform, 1299 00:55:28,951 --> 00:55:30,745 the tenant will pay their electricity bill 1300 00:55:30,769 --> 00:55:32,323 to the body corporate. 1301 00:55:32,347 --> 00:55:33,323 - [Torsten] Using PowerLedger, 1302 00:55:33,347 --> 00:55:35,627 the tenant pays the owner, not the power company 1303 00:55:35,651 --> 00:55:37,618 for their electricity. 1304 00:55:37,642 --> 00:55:38,909 And if the tenant isn't at home, 1305 00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:40,994 the unused energy will be sold to a neighbour, 1306 00:55:41,018 --> 00:55:42,927 lowering their power bill 1307 00:55:42,951 --> 00:55:45,600 and making a profit for the owner. 1308 00:55:45,624 --> 00:55:47,563 - So it actually crates the mechanism 1309 00:55:47,587 --> 00:55:50,321 to justify investing the capital in the first place. 1310 00:55:50,345 --> 00:55:52,517 - This system could speed up investment 1311 00:55:52,541 --> 00:55:54,117 in sustainable energy projects 1312 00:55:54,141 --> 00:55:56,921 by making it easy to own a piece of a solar or wind farm. 1313 00:55:56,945 --> 00:55:59,359 (soft music) 1314 00:56:01,918 --> 00:56:03,382 Why do I need a blockchain for this? 1315 00:56:03,406 --> 00:56:07,098 Can't I invest in a solar farm without this new fancy tech? 1316 00:56:07,122 --> 00:56:09,065 - The blockchain acts as a kind of asset register 1317 00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:11,065 and income register, 1318 00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:12,570 and in tokenizing the asset, 1319 00:56:12,594 --> 00:56:15,081 it becomes tradable on an exchange. 1320 00:56:15,105 --> 00:56:17,608 You might own two or three solar panels 1321 00:56:17,632 --> 00:56:20,371 of a thousand, you know, in a solar farm, 1322 00:56:20,395 --> 00:56:23,198 and you would receive the income associated with that 1323 00:56:23,222 --> 00:56:24,993 amount of ownership. 1324 00:56:25,017 --> 00:56:25,981 (soft music) 1325 00:56:26,005 --> 00:56:28,527 - Now bankers don't very much like being cut out 1326 00:56:28,551 --> 00:56:29,796 of the cashflow loop, 1327 00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:31,094 so they took another look 1328 00:56:31,118 --> 00:56:33,457 at Mr. Nakamoto's curious little white paper. 1329 00:56:33,481 --> 00:56:35,970 And they've recently been spending 1330 00:56:35,994 --> 00:56:38,874 a billion dollars a year in blockchain research. 1331 00:56:39,931 --> 00:56:41,313 Isn't it ironic, 1332 00:56:41,337 --> 00:56:43,312 Satoshi's anti-bank invention 1333 00:56:43,336 --> 00:56:44,671 is now being used by the banks 1334 00:56:44,695 --> 00:56:45,870 to move money faster. 1335 00:56:45,894 --> 00:56:47,597 And by big business to track supply chains. 1336 00:56:47,621 --> 00:56:50,535 (electronic music) 1337 00:57:04,552 --> 00:57:05,483 Cryptocurrencies, digital tokens, 1338 00:57:05,507 --> 00:57:07,908 public blockchains, private blockchains, 1339 00:57:07,932 --> 00:57:09,217 where is the killer app? 1340 00:57:09,241 --> 00:57:11,702 Well, adoption of new technology 1341 00:57:11,726 --> 00:57:14,062 often follows old trends. 1342 00:57:14,086 --> 00:57:16,219 - My name is Marc Ventresca. 1343 00:57:16,243 --> 00:57:18,397 I'm here at Oxford, the University of Oxford 1344 00:57:18,421 --> 00:57:19,616 on the faculty. 1345 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,474 I'm an economics sociologist by training, 1346 00:57:21,498 --> 00:57:23,665 interested in how large-scale infrastructure changes. 1347 00:57:23,689 --> 00:57:26,231 - So great so see you after nine years. 1348 00:57:26,255 --> 00:57:27,719 - [Marc] I know. 1349 00:57:27,743 --> 00:57:29,766 - [Torsten] Marc teaches a class 1350 00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:31,153 on innovation and system building. 1351 00:57:31,177 --> 00:57:33,164 He tells me what must align 1352 00:57:33,188 --> 00:57:35,194 for a new technology to become fruitful. 1353 00:57:35,218 --> 00:57:39,327 - All technologies start out as interesting ideas. 1354 00:57:39,351 --> 00:57:41,845 Some of them begin to develop into innovations 1355 00:57:41,869 --> 00:57:44,063 and we know that arc from invention to innovation 1356 00:57:44,087 --> 00:57:46,148 takes a lot of time, takes a lot of work. 1357 00:57:46,172 --> 00:57:48,297 Some of those innovations 1358 00:57:48,321 --> 00:57:49,801 eventually become commercially viable. 1359 00:57:49,825 --> 00:57:53,275 - [Torsten] Case in point, the automobile. 1360 00:57:53,299 --> 00:57:54,461 In the early days, 1361 00:57:54,485 --> 00:57:56,037 cars looked like a pretty lousy idea, 1362 00:57:56,061 --> 00:57:58,434 and poorly executed. 1363 00:58:00,386 --> 00:58:02,070 - Early on, there were electric cars, 1364 00:58:02,094 --> 00:58:03,598 there were battery operated cars. 1365 00:58:03,622 --> 00:58:06,564 The combustion engine was a relative late comer. 1366 00:58:06,588 --> 00:58:09,626 - [Torsten] It took Henry Ford's mass production 1367 00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:11,264 to create the standards, 1368 00:58:11,288 --> 00:58:12,434 what a car looked like, 1369 00:58:12,458 --> 00:58:14,091 what parts it needed, 1370 00:58:14,115 --> 00:58:15,178 how it operated. 1371 00:58:15,202 --> 00:58:17,090 That's when complementary assets 1372 00:58:17,114 --> 00:58:19,379 and infrastructure emerged. 1373 00:58:19,403 --> 00:58:22,292 - So you have a paved roads and petrol stations. 1374 00:58:22,316 --> 00:58:26,036 Then you have secondary things like motels and restaurants, 1375 00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:28,265 and places to eat while you're on the highway and buy food. 1376 00:58:28,289 --> 00:58:30,665 Then you have interesting questions 1377 00:58:30,689 --> 00:58:32,070 like what side of the road should we drive on. 1378 00:58:32,094 --> 00:58:34,970 - [Torsten] An entire ecosystem had been built, 1379 00:58:34,994 --> 00:58:37,755 but it wasn't a smooth transition by any means. 1380 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,694 - The imagery here is there are maybe a couple of hundred, 1381 00:58:41,718 --> 00:58:42,733 three or four hundred companies 1382 00:58:42,757 --> 00:58:44,231 that tried to get into this space. 1383 00:58:44,255 --> 00:58:45,360 But they're not car companies. 1384 00:58:45,384 --> 00:58:46,756 They're bicycle manufacturers 1385 00:58:46,780 --> 00:58:48,192 or steam engine manufacturers. 1386 00:58:48,216 --> 00:58:50,912 At some point, in this account, 1387 00:58:50,936 --> 00:58:53,032 all that period of ferment settles 1388 00:58:53,056 --> 00:58:54,361 around a dominant design, 1389 00:58:54,385 --> 00:58:55,620 and then you have what, 1390 00:58:55,644 --> 00:58:57,617 again, what innovation economist would call a shakeout. 1391 00:58:57,641 --> 00:59:00,433 They would say you go from 300 or 400 producers, 1392 00:59:00,457 --> 00:59:05,280 all of them vying to shape this emerging space, 1393 00:59:05,304 --> 00:59:06,929 this emerging thing called the automobile. 1394 00:59:06,953 --> 00:59:09,128 You may then drop to 20 or 30 manufacturers. 1395 00:59:09,152 --> 00:59:11,766 And then you may drop to five or six. 1396 00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:14,071 (soft music) 1397 00:59:14,095 --> 00:59:14,904 - [Torsten] It took 50 years 1398 00:59:14,928 --> 00:59:16,709 for cars to go from curious invention 1399 00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:19,336 to finally tuned, mass market product. 1400 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,050 50 years to change the world as we knew it. 1401 00:59:24,475 --> 00:59:26,389 ♪ Bitcoin is Gold theme song ♪ 1402 00:59:26,413 --> 00:59:27,581 - [GPS] Your destination is on the left. 1403 00:59:27,605 --> 00:59:32,013 - [Torsten] But our story isn't about cars or roads. 1404 00:59:32,037 --> 00:59:33,921 I want to learn about dominate designs 1405 00:59:33,945 --> 00:59:35,427 of digital technology. 1406 00:59:36,293 --> 00:59:38,248 That's why I came to the Computer History Museum 1407 00:59:38,272 --> 00:59:40,505 in the heart of Silicon Valley. 1408 00:59:40,529 --> 00:59:43,267 - So you're looking at the console for SAGE, 1409 00:59:43,291 --> 00:59:45,674 which was probably the first computer network. 1410 00:59:45,674 --> 00:59:46,581 which was probably the first computer network. - [Torsten] The US military and some American universities 1411 00:59:46,581 --> 00:59:46,605 - [Torsten] The US military and some American universities 1412 00:59:46,605 --> 00:59:47,955 There were 23 centres around North America - [Torsten] The US military and some American universities 1413 00:59:47,955 --> 00:59:50,235 There were 23 centres around North America 1414 00:59:50,259 --> 00:59:51,929 to warn against Soviet bombers. 1415 00:59:51,953 --> 00:59:54,386 And they were waiting for World War III. 1416 00:59:57,757 --> 01:00:00,802 asked this guy to create a new kind of network 1417 01:00:00,826 --> 01:00:03,037 to connect their separate networks. 1418 01:00:03,061 --> 01:00:05,281 - And this young girl 1419 01:00:05,305 --> 01:00:08,017 got up and she had a bunch of questions, 1420 01:00:08,041 --> 01:00:09,935 but her first one was 1421 01:00:09,959 --> 01:00:12,353 how did I manage to convince all the governments 1422 01:00:12,377 --> 01:00:14,101 of the world to let us build the Internet. 1423 01:00:14,125 --> 01:00:16,719 And I said well, except for the handful of us 1424 01:00:16,743 --> 01:00:18,036 that were actually working on the Internet, 1425 01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:21,214 nobody else really thought it was a very good idea, 1426 01:00:21,238 --> 01:00:22,731 and they didn't think it was gonna lead anywhere. 1427 01:00:22,755 --> 01:00:25,684 And you know, we pretty much had free running room. 1428 01:00:25,708 --> 01:00:29,306 - [Torsten] Yes, that's the man who co-invented TCP/IP 1429 01:00:29,330 --> 01:00:30,695 about 50 years ago. 1430 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:32,593 That's their original academic paper. 1431 01:00:32,617 --> 01:00:35,150 You can think of TCP as the backbone of the Internet. 1432 01:00:35,174 --> 01:00:38,018 But back then, there were many competing technologies. 1433 01:00:38,042 --> 01:00:41,397 - There was a very big battle over the protocols. 1434 01:00:41,421 --> 01:00:43,978 TCP/IP didn't just win by default. 1435 01:00:44,002 --> 01:00:48,507 It won through attrition by basically being better, 1436 01:00:48,531 --> 01:00:50,529 simpler, easier to deploy 1437 01:00:50,553 --> 01:00:52,151 than all of the other proposals. 1438 01:00:52,175 --> 01:00:52,983 - [Torsten] More scalable. 1439 01:00:53,007 --> 01:00:53,932 - And more scalable. 1440 01:00:53,956 --> 01:00:55,670 And it had a lot of competition 1441 01:00:55,694 --> 01:00:59,640 from phone companies that tried to make the Internet 1442 01:00:59,664 --> 01:01:03,709 a closed, metered, controlled system. 1443 01:01:03,733 --> 01:01:06,029 They tried to do what people 1444 01:01:06,053 --> 01:01:07,660 are trying to do today with blockchains, 1445 01:01:07,684 --> 01:01:09,930 which is take the open decentralised network 1446 01:01:09,954 --> 01:01:13,399 and turn it into this sterile, closed corporate system 1447 01:01:13,423 --> 01:01:16,128 where they can charge by the minute and be in control. 1448 01:01:16,152 --> 01:01:17,916 - [Torsten] The Internet's ultimate victory 1449 01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:20,096 has a dirty little secret. 1450 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,202 The men in charge of promoting it 1451 01:01:22,226 --> 01:01:24,249 were employees of the military 1452 01:01:24,273 --> 01:01:27,947 with the muscle and the cash to beat the competition. 1453 01:01:27,971 --> 01:01:29,316 - And then there's email. 1454 01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:30,149 - Email? 1455 01:01:30,173 --> 01:01:31,544 I heard that's really neat. 1456 01:01:31,568 --> 01:01:32,444 - [Torsten] Email was perhaps 1457 01:01:32,468 --> 01:01:34,071 the Internet's first killer app. 1458 01:01:34,095 --> 01:01:34,904 Then in the early 90s, 1459 01:01:34,928 --> 01:01:36,306 Tim Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web 1460 01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:39,277 as a 20 page proposal. 1461 01:01:39,301 --> 01:01:42,011 Soon, there were browsers that made it more accessible 1462 01:01:42,035 --> 01:01:44,889 and user-friendly for the general public. 1463 01:01:44,913 --> 01:01:47,757 (electronic music) 1464 01:01:47,781 --> 01:01:49,136 - I think that the Internet 1465 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,402 is going to be one of the major forces 1466 01:01:51,426 --> 01:01:54,522 for reducing the role of Government. 1467 01:01:54,546 --> 01:01:56,838 The one thing that's missing, 1468 01:01:56,862 --> 01:01:58,523 but that will soon be developed, 1469 01:01:58,547 --> 01:02:00,954 is a reliable e-cash. 1470 01:02:00,978 --> 01:02:02,792 - [Torsten] Still, few understood the potential 1471 01:02:02,816 --> 01:02:04,201 of this new tech. 1472 01:02:04,225 --> 01:02:06,609 - From people who thought it would just be 1473 01:02:06,633 --> 01:02:08,587 the world's greatest library, 1474 01:02:08,611 --> 01:02:11,410 to some of the early cypherpunks, 1475 01:02:11,434 --> 01:02:14,285 who are the direct forefathers of crypto, 1476 01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:17,792 and certainly blockchain-type ideas, 1477 01:02:17,816 --> 01:02:19,985 who thought much as today, 1478 01:02:20,009 --> 01:02:22,165 that it would create kind of a Commons 1479 01:02:22,189 --> 01:02:24,950 that was outside of the direct control 1480 01:02:24,974 --> 01:02:26,605 and normal laws of Governments. 1481 01:02:26,629 --> 01:02:29,286 - [Torsten] That's ironic because the US Government 1482 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:30,612 funded it in the first place. 1483 01:02:30,636 --> 01:02:33,062 The spiritual forefathers of crypto 1484 01:02:33,086 --> 01:02:34,341 who built the early Internet 1485 01:02:34,365 --> 01:02:36,239 thought it was a new technology 1486 01:02:36,263 --> 01:02:37,641 for global freedom of expression 1487 01:02:37,665 --> 01:02:40,695 and a blank canvas upon which they could build their dreams. 1488 01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,670 Boy, that sounds familiar! 1489 01:02:42,694 --> 01:02:44,561 And the media? 1490 01:02:44,585 --> 01:02:45,511 They didn't quite know 1491 01:02:45,535 --> 01:02:47,378 what to make of this new thing either. 1492 01:02:47,402 --> 01:02:49,376 But sure enough, they found juicy stories 1493 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,739 about the dark side of it. 1494 01:02:50,763 --> 01:02:53,568 - Which was the Internet is full of criminals, 1495 01:02:53,592 --> 01:02:55,840 and paedophiles, and pornographers. 1496 01:02:55,864 --> 01:02:59,414 And it's too dangerous to use your credit card on it. 1497 01:02:59,438 --> 01:03:01,039 It's full of scams. 1498 01:03:01,063 --> 01:03:03,202 We're seeing the exact same story now. 1499 01:03:03,226 --> 01:03:05,680 - We envision technology as if it were autonomous, 1500 01:03:05,704 --> 01:03:10,581 as if it were simply outside of human and social experience. 1501 01:03:10,605 --> 01:03:13,152 But we see our technologies 1502 01:03:13,176 --> 01:03:15,214 that become shaped by commercial interests, 1503 01:03:15,238 --> 01:03:17,195 by political an regulatory infrastructure, 1504 01:03:17,219 --> 01:03:21,452 by actors who are acting for many reasons, right? 1505 01:03:21,476 --> 01:03:22,912 - Where do you want me? 1506 01:03:22,936 --> 01:03:23,988 - [Torsten] Remember Bob? 1507 01:03:24,012 --> 01:03:26,289 The big telecoms wanted his thoughts 1508 01:03:26,313 --> 01:03:28,035 on a little idea they were kicking around. 1509 01:03:28,059 --> 01:03:29,875 - They had a meeting 1510 01:03:29,899 --> 01:03:31,104 where they trying to figure out 1511 01:03:31,128 --> 01:03:32,183 how they could buy the Internet. 1512 01:03:32,207 --> 01:03:33,033 If they couldn't kill it, 1513 01:03:33,057 --> 01:03:34,241 well why not own it? 1514 01:03:34,265 --> 01:03:35,669 - I got asked that myself 1515 01:03:35,693 --> 01:03:37,809 by an executive at a large information company. 1516 01:03:37,833 --> 01:03:42,159 It was probably in 1990 if they could buy the Internet. 1517 01:03:42,183 --> 01:03:43,472 (scoffs) 1518 01:03:43,496 --> 01:03:44,910 - I remember asking them 1519 01:03:44,934 --> 01:03:46,023 well, why don't you buy the world economy, 1520 01:03:46,047 --> 01:03:47,413 then you can own everything. 1521 01:03:47,437 --> 01:03:49,079 Why don't you buy the weather, 1522 01:03:49,103 --> 01:03:50,818 then you can control that too. 1523 01:03:50,842 --> 01:03:53,237 - [Torsten] As the Internet's momentum and hype grew, 1524 01:03:53,261 --> 01:03:55,335 investors threw money at entrepreneurs 1525 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,041 and shady characters. 1526 01:03:57,065 --> 01:03:59,480 (soft music) 1527 01:04:05,034 --> 01:04:06,346 - The joke in the Dotcom era 1528 01:04:06,370 --> 01:04:09,615 was that you put a dotcom behind your company 1529 01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:11,853 even if it had nothing to do with the Internet. 1530 01:04:11,877 --> 01:04:14,611 And the venture capitalist just throw money at you. 1531 01:04:14,635 --> 01:04:16,982 - [Torsten] It took a few decades and hype cycles, 1532 01:04:17,006 --> 01:04:19,504 but the wild Internet was eventually domesticated, 1533 01:04:19,528 --> 01:04:22,343 co-opted by trillion dollar companies 1534 01:04:22,367 --> 01:04:25,191 and then fundamentally transformed how we shop, 1535 01:04:25,215 --> 01:04:27,322 work, and communicate. 1536 01:04:27,346 --> 01:04:29,760 (soft music) 1537 01:04:33,056 --> 01:04:35,487 Speaker's Corner in London's Hyde Park. 1538 01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:39,321 For 150 years, this has been a safe place to stand 1539 01:04:39,345 --> 01:04:42,343 on a soapbox to sell your ideas, 1540 01:04:42,367 --> 01:04:43,495 preach the Gospel, 1541 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,147 badmouth the king, or promote communism. 1542 01:04:47,171 --> 01:04:49,366 Today, with the World Wide Web, 1543 01:04:49,390 --> 01:04:52,283 we can stand on giant, digital soapboxes 1544 01:04:52,307 --> 01:04:54,720 using Facebook, Twitter, YouTube. 1545 01:04:54,744 --> 01:04:56,053 We can share our ideas, 1546 01:04:56,077 --> 01:04:59,628 or start a fight, with anyone on the planet. 1547 01:05:02,107 --> 01:05:04,854 - Well, almost anyone. 1548 01:05:04,878 --> 01:05:07,548 Of 65 countries studied, 1549 01:05:07,572 --> 01:05:09,236 China has the least free Internet, 1550 01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:11,117 worse than Iran, Cuba or Syria. 1551 01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:14,576 A police force of more than two million cybercops 1552 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,758 and the world's most sophisticated 1553 01:05:16,782 --> 01:05:18,437 Artificial Intelligence system 1554 01:05:18,461 --> 01:05:20,737 keep China's web content clean and users in check. 1555 01:05:20,761 --> 01:05:24,021 So sorry to break it to you, 1556 01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:25,929 but there's no longer a World Wide Web. 1557 01:05:25,953 --> 01:05:27,667 Welcome to the Splinternet. 1558 01:05:27,691 --> 01:05:29,192 No, it's not just in China. 1559 01:05:29,216 --> 01:05:32,152 - [Narrator] In Russia, Wikipedia is illegal. 1560 01:05:32,176 --> 01:05:34,443 Facebook is outlawed in Bangladesh. 1561 01:05:34,467 --> 01:05:36,297 There's no WhatsApp in Dubai. 1562 01:05:36,321 --> 01:05:38,446 Twitter was banned in Turkey 1563 01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:40,709 after news about Government corruption spread. 1564 01:05:40,733 --> 01:05:42,782 And Saudi Arabia shut down 1565 01:05:42,806 --> 01:05:44,351 the region's largest news services, 1566 01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:45,767 Al Jazeera and the BBC. 1567 01:05:45,791 --> 01:05:49,066 Meanwhile, in India, the entire web was turned off 1568 01:05:49,090 --> 01:05:50,587 100 times last year. 1569 01:05:50,611 --> 01:05:52,742 (soft music) 1570 01:05:52,766 --> 01:05:53,575 - [Torsten] To be fair, 1571 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,889 some of the censorship is to prevent terrorist recruitment, 1572 01:05:55,913 --> 01:05:58,455 or to stop violent mobs from hurting people. 1573 01:05:58,479 --> 01:06:01,254 But I think Government's control over the Internet 1574 01:06:01,278 --> 01:06:03,287 has gone just a little too far... 1575 01:06:03,311 --> 01:06:06,988 - Hello, I'm from the Australian Government. 1576 01:06:07,012 --> 01:06:08,806 Do you have something to hide? 1577 01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:10,718 We've taken the UK's fascist spying law 1578 01:06:10,742 --> 01:06:12,902 and made it even more fascist. 1579 01:06:12,926 --> 01:06:14,311 To test this shit fuckery, 1580 01:06:14,335 --> 01:06:15,144 we chose Australia, 1581 01:06:15,168 --> 01:06:17,448 the weakest of the Five Eyes alliance, 1582 01:06:17,472 --> 01:06:19,286 thanks to our lack of a Bill of Rights. 1583 01:06:19,310 --> 01:06:20,844 So international data requests 1584 01:06:20,868 --> 01:06:22,303 will now be funnelled through us, 1585 01:06:22,327 --> 01:06:23,871 compromising not just Aussies, 1586 01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:25,629 but all of you fuckers too. 1587 01:06:25,653 --> 01:06:26,962 You're welcome! 1588 01:06:26,986 --> 01:06:29,401 (soft music) 1589 01:06:31,018 --> 01:06:32,063 - Hold on, 1590 01:06:32,087 --> 01:06:33,770 Satoshi turned money into code, 1591 01:06:33,794 --> 01:06:36,419 code is just letters and numbers, 1592 01:06:36,443 --> 01:06:37,760 which is speech, right? 1593 01:06:37,784 --> 01:06:39,635 So money, now is speech, 1594 01:06:39,659 --> 01:06:42,033 which is a pretty powerful idea if you think about it. 1595 01:06:42,057 --> 01:06:44,880 But if Bitcoin is this uncontrollable, 1596 01:06:44,904 --> 01:06:47,767 uncensorable technology. Can the blockchain 1597 01:06:47,791 --> 01:06:49,490 also enable global free speech? 1598 01:06:49,514 --> 01:06:51,034 (soft music) 1599 01:06:51,058 --> 01:06:52,694 - [Narrator] In some places, it already does. 1600 01:06:52,718 --> 01:06:55,877 One Chinese student tried to report a sexual assault, 1601 01:06:55,901 --> 01:06:57,927 and was silenced by her college. 1602 01:06:57,951 --> 01:06:59,909 But she knew that she can attach a message 1603 01:06:59,933 --> 01:07:01,995 into the metadata of an Ethereum transaction. 1604 01:07:02,019 --> 01:07:04,230 So she spent 15 cents 1605 01:07:04,254 --> 01:07:06,624 and now her letter outlining her story 1606 01:07:06,648 --> 01:07:08,136 and the threats she received 1607 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,123 is on the public Ethereum blockchain 1608 01:07:10,147 --> 01:07:12,642 where it will remain unchangeable forever. 1609 01:07:12,666 --> 01:07:15,081 (soft music) 1610 01:07:20,379 --> 01:07:21,663 - [Torsten] The early cryptopioneers 1611 01:07:21,687 --> 01:07:23,212 wanted to democratised money. 1612 01:07:23,236 --> 01:07:24,592 Finance 2.0, if you will. 1613 01:07:24,616 --> 01:07:27,328 But now, the believers in the blockchains 1614 01:07:27,352 --> 01:07:29,332 have their eyes on a bigger prize: 1615 01:07:29,356 --> 01:07:31,708 They want to decentralise everything. 1616 01:07:31,732 --> 01:07:33,610 Web 3.0. 1617 01:07:33,634 --> 01:07:36,049 Facebook without the propaganda. 1618 01:07:36,073 --> 01:07:37,918 Twitter without the terms of service. 1619 01:07:37,942 --> 01:07:39,640 Reddit without the censorship. 1620 01:07:39,664 --> 01:07:42,055 Online identity without the hacks. 1621 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,817 Internet browsing without tracking software. 1622 01:07:44,841 --> 01:07:47,514 Websites without the advertising. 1623 01:07:50,379 --> 01:07:53,105 - We pay with either attention or privacy. 1624 01:07:53,129 --> 01:07:56,777 So we either have advertising thrown at us, 1625 01:07:56,801 --> 01:07:58,207 our attention is monetized, 1626 01:07:58,231 --> 01:08:01,732 or we pay with micro violations of our privacy. 1627 01:08:01,756 --> 01:08:03,791 - [Torsten] And that is why the internet today 1628 01:08:03,815 --> 01:08:05,714 is the ultimate surveillance economy. 1629 01:08:05,738 --> 01:08:08,075 One privacy tool is the Brave browser. 1630 01:08:08,099 --> 01:08:10,384 It doesn't store data 1631 01:08:10,408 --> 01:08:12,622 and pays users and content publishers 1632 01:08:12,646 --> 01:08:14,666 in their basic attention tokens. 1633 01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:17,603 (electronic music) 1634 01:08:19,578 --> 01:08:22,013 - What most people in the crypto space 1635 01:08:22,037 --> 01:08:24,245 are probably most excited about 1636 01:08:24,269 --> 01:08:27,292 is this notion that we can create 1637 01:08:27,317 --> 01:08:29,961 these kinds of user-owned decentralised networks. 1638 01:08:29,986 --> 01:08:33,361 You can, for instance, offer file storage 1639 01:08:33,385 --> 01:08:34,701 in the way that an Amazon does, 1640 01:08:34,725 --> 01:08:37,957 or that you could offer search, 1641 01:08:37,981 --> 01:08:38,996 you know, the way Google does, 1642 01:08:39,020 --> 01:08:40,774 but do it in a peer-to-peer fashion 1643 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:45,769 without this behemoth at the centre extracting rents. 1644 01:08:45,792 --> 01:08:47,407 And do it in a way where all the people 1645 01:08:47,431 --> 01:08:48,583 that are users of it can benefit. 1646 01:08:48,607 --> 01:08:51,804 - Blockstack is the next evolution in computing. 1647 01:08:51,827 --> 01:08:55,024 We've seen three main eras of computing before. 1648 01:08:55,049 --> 01:08:58,520 We had mainframes that were these large computers 1649 01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:00,270 that everyone depended on. 1650 01:09:00,294 --> 01:09:03,147 Then we got desktops where users were in control, 1651 01:09:03,171 --> 01:09:05,290 and they owned their own computers, 1652 01:09:05,314 --> 01:09:07,077 and their data and information. 1653 01:09:07,102 --> 01:09:09,126 And then we saw cloud computing 1654 01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:11,456 where we're dependent on these large companies 1655 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,818 running services for us. 1656 01:09:12,843 --> 01:09:14,613 And we're about to embark 1657 01:09:14,638 --> 01:09:16,844 on this major shift in computing 1658 01:09:16,869 --> 01:09:18,946 called decentralised computing 1659 01:09:18,969 --> 01:09:21,754 where users are getting back in control. 1660 01:09:21,778 --> 01:09:24,193 (soft music) 1661 01:09:25,103 --> 01:09:28,826 - And they really could some day compete with, 1662 01:09:28,850 --> 01:09:32,112 if not take down some of the big tech giants, 1663 01:09:32,137 --> 01:09:33,892 like the Facebooks and the Googles and the Amazons 1664 01:09:33,916 --> 01:09:35,256 that we know. 1665 01:09:35,281 --> 01:09:36,475 (electronic music) 1666 01:09:36,499 --> 01:09:37,627 - [Torsten] That's a tall, tall order. 1667 01:09:37,651 --> 01:09:38,916 - It is, it is, but I mean who would've thought 1668 01:09:38,941 --> 01:09:41,503 at the beginning of the Internet 1669 01:09:41,527 --> 01:09:43,351 that Wikipedia would beat out Encarta. 1670 01:09:43,375 --> 01:09:45,323 - [Torsten] These Web3 promises sound good, 1671 01:09:45,346 --> 01:09:48,386 but my professional network is on LinkedIn. 1672 01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:50,501 My personal photos are on Instagram. 1673 01:09:50,524 --> 01:09:52,272 If I deleted my accounts, 1674 01:09:52,296 --> 01:09:53,640 I'd lose everything! 1675 01:09:53,665 --> 01:09:55,849 These services aren't just walled gardens, 1676 01:09:55,873 --> 01:09:57,627 they are digital prisons. 1677 01:09:57,651 --> 01:09:59,735 - Data is locked up in several companies. 1678 01:09:59,759 --> 01:10:02,452 And we don't own it. 1679 01:10:02,476 --> 01:10:03,671 The companies own it. 1680 01:10:03,695 --> 01:10:05,250 But they use the data 1681 01:10:05,273 --> 01:10:07,427 to mine it, to advertise to us, 1682 01:10:07,451 --> 01:10:08,259 to sell us things, 1683 01:10:08,282 --> 01:10:09,282 to manipulate us, 1684 01:10:10,285 --> 01:10:11,513 to change our behaviour, 1685 01:10:11,537 --> 01:10:13,291 and Ocean Protocol is the answer 1686 01:10:13,315 --> 01:10:14,750 to freeing up the data 1687 01:10:14,773 --> 01:10:16,755 and giving the power back to individuals. 1688 01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:18,548 - [Torsten] So how do you plan to do that? 1689 01:10:18,572 --> 01:10:21,593 - It's essentially an operating system 1690 01:10:21,617 --> 01:10:22,902 on top of Ethereum 1691 01:10:22,925 --> 01:10:26,478 that allows for people to share data, 1692 01:10:26,502 --> 01:10:29,680 storage, algorithms, 1693 01:10:29,704 --> 01:10:33,692 and computation in a way that preserves privacy. 1694 01:10:33,716 --> 01:10:35,689 - [Torsten] It's too early to tell 1695 01:10:35,713 --> 01:10:37,246 whether projects like these can succeed. 1696 01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:40,378 But I do like the ideal of digital property rights. 1697 01:10:40,402 --> 01:10:42,662 Wouldn't it be nice if companies 1698 01:10:42,686 --> 01:10:44,260 paid us in cryptocurrency 1699 01:10:44,284 --> 01:10:45,629 when they use our data? 1700 01:10:45,653 --> 01:10:47,887 And if we control who has access to it 1701 01:10:47,911 --> 01:10:49,832 instead of our digital overlords. 1702 01:10:49,856 --> 01:10:51,903 And then there is the question 1703 01:10:51,927 --> 01:10:53,934 of our most precious information, 1704 01:10:53,959 --> 01:10:56,418 our very identity. 1705 01:10:56,442 --> 01:10:58,276 - If you take the history of mankind, 1706 01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:00,195 a lot of blood has been shed 1707 01:11:00,219 --> 01:11:01,373 getting to democracy, right? 1708 01:11:01,397 --> 01:11:04,081 The idea that every man has a vote in the world. 1709 01:11:04,105 --> 01:11:06,129 And you know, I take it kind of personally 1710 01:11:06,153 --> 01:11:08,193 because I was born in South Africa during apartheid, 1711 01:11:08,218 --> 01:11:11,853 you know, a child of Indian immigrants. 1712 01:11:11,877 --> 01:11:14,490 And we were not allowed to vote. 1713 01:11:14,514 --> 01:11:16,688 - [Torsten] Vinny tells me that in the United States alone 1714 01:11:16,712 --> 01:11:20,523 there are 14,000 different paper forms of birth certificates 1715 01:11:20,548 --> 01:11:22,358 issued by local authorities. 1716 01:11:22,382 --> 01:11:24,240 There are mistakes on them 1717 01:11:24,264 --> 01:11:26,966 and even identity theft starting from birth. 1718 01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:29,559 - All your information is already out there. 1719 01:11:29,583 --> 01:11:31,452 You know, there's five hacks a day happening, 1720 01:11:31,477 --> 01:11:34,344 so how do you prove that you are who you say you are? 1721 01:11:34,369 --> 01:11:36,784 (soft music) 1722 01:11:39,020 --> 01:11:40,654 - [Torsten] Our crypto celebrity Andreas 1723 01:11:40,678 --> 01:11:42,702 has 10 imposters on Instagram. 1724 01:11:42,726 --> 01:11:44,290 Ryan Gosling's alter ego 1725 01:11:44,314 --> 01:11:46,500 is committing financial fraud in Bulgaria. 1726 01:11:46,523 --> 01:11:47,977 And who knows what's happening 1727 01:11:48,001 --> 01:11:50,101 with your compromised information? 1728 01:11:50,125 --> 01:11:51,483 (soft music) 1729 01:11:51,507 --> 01:11:53,804 Blockchain-based services like Civic's identity.com, 1730 01:11:53,827 --> 01:11:56,571 or Microsoft's Ion say they can give us control 1731 01:11:56,594 --> 01:11:59,555 of our identity and protect it. 1732 01:11:59,579 --> 01:12:02,392 - Currently, we are having our reputation, 1733 01:12:02,416 --> 01:12:04,639 our history with different systems 1734 01:12:04,664 --> 01:12:06,173 and different companies, like Facebook and Twitter. 1735 01:12:06,197 --> 01:12:09,739 With the blockchain, the core of important information 1736 01:12:09,763 --> 01:12:11,900 sits on that trusted system 1737 01:12:11,924 --> 01:12:15,469 which we control and we can take from wherever 1738 01:12:15,493 --> 01:12:17,118 we want to go to something else. 1739 01:12:17,142 --> 01:12:19,975 - [Torsten] Meanwhile, Vitalik has inspired thousands 1740 01:12:19,999 --> 01:12:22,032 of software developers to build is vision 1741 01:12:22,057 --> 01:12:23,670 of decentralised finance, 1742 01:12:23,693 --> 01:12:25,759 but early in Ethereum's history, 1743 01:12:25,782 --> 01:12:26,907 something went wrong 1744 01:12:26,932 --> 01:12:28,786 with one of the first smart contracts 1745 01:12:28,809 --> 01:12:30,744 called the DAO. 1746 01:12:30,768 --> 01:12:32,262 - The DAO went like this, 1747 01:12:32,286 --> 01:12:33,608 they wanted a completely 1748 01:12:33,632 --> 01:12:35,789 "the Decentralised Autonomous Organisation". 1749 01:12:35,813 --> 01:12:38,906 They wanted a science fiction dream 1750 01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:40,754 of an independent computer program 1751 01:12:40,778 --> 01:12:42,559 that was immune to human influence. 1752 01:12:42,583 --> 01:12:47,347 So what they actually did was build a forthcoming disaster. 1753 01:12:47,371 --> 01:12:49,184 - [Torsten] The problem? 1754 01:12:49,209 --> 01:12:51,433 Some sloppy code left their safety deposit box wide open, 1755 01:12:51,457 --> 01:12:54,425 and somebody just helped themselves. 1756 01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:56,657 (soft music) 1757 01:12:56,682 --> 01:12:58,887 - It allowed them to pilfer $50 million 1758 01:12:58,911 --> 01:13:01,207 from this smart contract. 1759 01:13:01,231 --> 01:13:05,949 And that's why when I say it's not even clear 1760 01:13:05,973 --> 01:13:07,137 whether or not it was a hack, you know, 1761 01:13:07,161 --> 01:13:08,386 this smart contract allowed them to do that. 1762 01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:11,353 You know, what happened was the majority of the community 1763 01:13:11,377 --> 01:13:13,807 did decide to roll back the blockchain 1764 01:13:13,831 --> 01:13:16,646 and to pretend like the DAO never happened. 1765 01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:19,162 - [Torsten] Yep, you heard that correctly. 1766 01:13:19,186 --> 01:13:21,913 The top decision makers forked Ethereum 1767 01:13:21,937 --> 01:13:23,385 into two separate networks, 1768 01:13:23,409 --> 01:13:25,193 one where the money was gone, 1769 01:13:25,217 --> 01:13:27,117 and a new one where the money 1770 01:13:27,141 --> 01:13:29,625 was restored to it's original owners 1771 01:13:29,648 --> 01:13:31,550 breaking the first rule of cryptocurrency, 1772 01:13:31,575 --> 01:13:34,200 never alter the blockchain. 1773 01:13:34,224 --> 01:13:36,348 (soft music) 1774 01:13:36,371 --> 01:13:38,626 - Immutability last only as long 1775 01:13:38,650 --> 01:13:40,608 as the big boys haven't lost money. 1776 01:13:40,632 --> 01:13:42,791 - [Torsten] Just like Bitcoin, 1777 01:13:42,816 --> 01:13:44,385 Ethereum also experienced scaling problems. 1778 01:13:44,409 --> 01:13:47,568 When a decentralised app called Crypto Kitties, 1779 01:13:47,592 --> 01:13:49,587 I'm not kidding, went viral, 1780 01:13:49,611 --> 01:13:53,791 and the kitties bred like rabbits in it's blockchain, 1781 01:13:53,815 --> 01:13:55,840 the system ground to a halt. 1782 01:13:55,864 --> 01:13:58,210 The network is now being upgraded. 1783 01:13:58,235 --> 01:14:00,144 But there are many competitors 1784 01:14:00,168 --> 01:14:02,010 who claim that their blockchains are faster, 1785 01:14:02,034 --> 01:14:04,133 fairer, and more scalable. 1786 01:14:04,157 --> 01:14:07,505 The next shakeout will sure be interesting to watch. 1787 01:14:07,529 --> 01:14:10,984 - It's never easy to admit that, 1788 01:14:11,008 --> 01:14:12,206 that you've been fooled. 1789 01:14:15,193 --> 01:14:16,375 Maybe I've been fooled. 1790 01:14:21,937 --> 01:14:22,937 Maybe? 1791 01:14:23,985 --> 01:14:24,880 - [Torsten] The crypto community 1792 01:14:24,905 --> 01:14:26,628 doesn't agree on much of anything, 1793 01:14:26,652 --> 01:14:28,773 except when it comes to this guy. 1794 01:14:28,797 --> 01:14:31,393 - Hello, my name is Dr. Craig Wright. 1795 01:14:31,416 --> 01:14:34,142 I'm the chief scientist of nChain Limited. 1796 01:14:34,166 --> 01:14:35,998 - On the balance of the evidence, 1797 01:14:36,022 --> 01:14:39,480 Craig Wright almost certainly is not Satoshi Nakamoto. 1798 01:14:39,504 --> 01:14:41,835 - The proofs that he gave were not real proofs. 1799 01:14:41,860 --> 01:14:43,811 In the end, he either chickened out 1800 01:14:43,835 --> 01:14:45,269 or didn't actually have the proof. 1801 01:14:45,293 --> 01:14:48,559 - Craig Wright obviously seems to be a scammer. 1802 01:14:51,627 --> 01:14:54,770 - I'm happy to say that Craig Wright is a fraud. 1803 01:14:54,794 --> 01:14:56,874 - I know he's controversial. 1804 01:14:56,898 --> 01:14:59,545 No one really changes the world 1805 01:14:59,568 --> 01:15:02,835 without being bold, without disrupting peoples' ideas, 1806 01:15:02,859 --> 01:15:05,627 an without drawing a little controversy around the way. 1807 01:15:05,651 --> 01:15:06,827 (soft music) 1808 01:15:06,852 --> 01:15:08,226 - [Torsten] But the majority of industry 1809 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:09,537 says Craig is crazy or a conman. 1810 01:15:09,561 --> 01:15:13,641 - So Craig, kindly join us on stage. 1811 01:15:13,665 --> 01:15:15,169 - [Torsten] And that giving him screen time 1812 01:15:15,193 --> 01:15:16,713 is irresponsible. 1813 01:15:16,737 --> 01:15:17,545 (soft music) 1814 01:15:17,568 --> 01:15:18,487 - And I'll say this quite frankly 1815 01:15:18,511 --> 01:15:21,780 because I've got more money than your country. 1816 01:15:23,775 --> 01:15:24,969 - [Torsten] But I was in the area 1817 01:15:24,993 --> 01:15:26,723 and just couldn't resist. 1818 01:15:26,746 --> 01:15:28,579 (soft music) 1819 01:15:28,603 --> 01:15:30,407 (doorbell rings) 1820 01:15:30,431 --> 01:15:32,846 (soft music) 1821 01:15:34,124 --> 01:15:35,599 A few quick facts, 1822 01:15:35,623 --> 01:15:36,489 Craig is the person 1823 01:15:36,513 --> 01:15:39,157 who claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto on the BBC. 1824 01:15:39,182 --> 01:15:42,156 But his cryptographic proof didn't check out, 1825 01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:45,034 and since then, many just see him as an imposter. 1826 01:15:45,058 --> 01:15:47,262 - I'm the guy with a law degree 1827 01:15:47,286 --> 01:15:50,993 that used to work for federal police 1828 01:15:51,017 --> 01:15:52,980 and military intelligence. 1829 01:15:53,004 --> 01:15:55,879 (electronic music) 1830 01:15:55,903 --> 01:15:57,807 - You would actually be the perfect super villain 1831 01:15:57,831 --> 01:15:59,094 for us because everybody 1832 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:01,195 kind of doesn't believe you, hates you. 1833 01:16:01,219 --> 01:16:03,318 What do you say to your critics? 1834 01:16:03,342 --> 01:16:05,693 - Do I start with a muahuahua? 1835 01:16:05,718 --> 01:16:09,405 Many people are hated early on 1836 01:16:09,429 --> 01:16:10,744 because they're not understood. 1837 01:16:10,768 --> 01:16:12,332 If it doesn't have a use, 1838 01:16:12,356 --> 01:16:13,771 it shouldn't have a value. 1839 01:16:13,795 --> 01:16:16,418 Right now, practically everything is a Ponzi. 1840 01:16:16,442 --> 01:16:17,996 I don't particularly like Ethereum. 1841 01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:19,525 It's a dead end. 1842 01:16:19,549 --> 01:16:21,059 They can say whatever they want about ERC-20 1843 01:16:21,084 --> 01:16:24,499 except practically everything they're doing 1844 01:16:24,523 --> 01:16:26,717 that they want to solve, I solved years ago. 1845 01:16:26,741 --> 01:16:31,736 Decentralisation was never the point of Bitcoin, ever. 1846 01:16:32,096 --> 01:16:33,501 I was called a fool then, 1847 01:16:33,525 --> 01:16:35,057 and I'll be called a fool again. 1848 01:16:35,081 --> 01:16:37,693 And every single time I'll be right. 1849 01:16:37,718 --> 01:16:41,800 I picked up "Mastering Bitcoin" the other day, 1850 01:16:41,825 --> 01:16:43,651 and I opened page one. 1851 01:16:43,675 --> 01:16:45,679 And I went this is wrong. 1852 01:16:45,702 --> 01:16:50,094 Silkroad was the worst thing to ever happen to Bitcoin. 1853 01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:52,263 - You seem to think that nobody else 1854 01:16:52,287 --> 01:16:54,440 has anything interesting to say. 1855 01:16:54,464 --> 01:16:56,288 You've already solved the problems many years ago. 1856 01:16:56,312 --> 01:16:58,844 That's kind of the vibe that I'm getting here. 1857 01:16:58,869 --> 01:16:59,888 - Fairly much, yes. 1858 01:16:59,912 --> 01:17:01,850 - [Torsten] Okay. 1859 01:17:02,905 --> 01:17:04,831 Turns out, Craig's playbook is patents. 1860 01:17:04,855 --> 01:17:07,184 Some say he's a patent troll. 1861 01:17:07,208 --> 01:17:09,545 - Well, I've got a bucket list bit 1862 01:17:09,568 --> 01:17:11,407 which is to beat Edison, which 1863 01:17:11,432 --> 01:17:14,160 as silly as it sounds 1864 01:17:14,184 --> 01:17:15,936 came from a Simpsons episode. 1865 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,727 To beat Mr. Edison, 1866 01:17:17,751 --> 01:17:20,573 I need to get 1,085 (patents). 1867 01:17:20,597 --> 01:17:22,512 And right at the moment, 1868 01:17:22,536 --> 01:17:25,476 I'm on white paper 1,074. 1869 01:17:26,742 --> 01:17:27,835 - [Torsten] For each white paper, 1870 01:17:27,860 --> 01:17:29,659 he claims to file about 1.1 patents. 1871 01:17:30,768 --> 01:17:34,657 - The first 163 will be very shortly public. 1872 01:17:34,681 --> 01:17:37,517 Next year, people are gonna start seeing 1873 01:17:37,541 --> 01:17:38,975 that we have hundreds of patents, 1874 01:17:38,999 --> 01:17:41,043 and everything changes. 1875 01:17:41,067 --> 01:17:43,553 We file PCT and keep them secret as long as we can. 1876 01:17:43,577 --> 01:17:46,538 - There's a huge philosophical disagreement 1877 01:17:46,562 --> 01:17:47,862 between myself and Craig. 1878 01:17:47,887 --> 01:17:50,833 So I think patents 1879 01:17:50,857 --> 01:17:52,398 are Government granted monopoly. 1880 01:17:52,423 --> 01:17:54,700 - [Torsten] The big brains and big egos 1881 01:17:54,724 --> 01:17:56,118 who broke away from Bitcoin 1882 01:17:56,142 --> 01:17:58,096 couldn't hash out their differences. 1883 01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,969 So there was another split. 1884 01:17:59,994 --> 01:18:03,475 Craig's new coin also claims to be the 'real' Bitcoin. 1885 01:18:03,499 --> 01:18:06,439 And he wants to enable blocks a million times larger, 1886 01:18:06,463 --> 01:18:08,761 updating and storing this giant blockchain 1887 01:18:08,785 --> 01:18:11,261 will be impossible for normal computers. 1888 01:18:11,285 --> 01:18:13,184 I just can't figure this guy out. 1889 01:18:13,208 --> 01:18:16,236 Is he a genius, a madman, a fraud? 1890 01:18:16,260 --> 01:18:17,996 Maybe all three? 1891 01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:20,541 - And a lot of the things he says are very, 1892 01:18:20,565 --> 01:18:23,065 are just wrong technically. 1893 01:18:23,089 --> 01:18:25,148 - However, I did calculate 1894 01:18:25,173 --> 01:18:27,906 that nChain spent tens of millions of dollars 1895 01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:29,903 to develop and file these patents. 1896 01:18:29,927 --> 01:18:32,089 And some have been granted. 1897 01:18:32,112 --> 01:18:35,778 What's the point of having a war chest full of IP 1898 01:18:35,802 --> 01:18:37,727 if they aren't going to enforce it? 1899 01:18:37,751 --> 01:18:39,298 So basically what I'm looking at 1900 01:18:39,322 --> 01:18:42,831 is stuff that nobody's ever really seen in the community. 1901 01:18:42,855 --> 01:18:43,664 - [Craig] That's correct. 1902 01:18:43,688 --> 01:18:44,496 Yes. 1903 01:18:44,521 --> 01:18:46,074 - As soon as the price of Bitcoin 1904 01:18:46,098 --> 01:18:47,564 and the cryptocurrencies went higher, 1905 01:18:47,588 --> 01:18:49,677 what did most people do? 1906 01:18:49,701 --> 01:18:51,772 All they did was start adopting 1907 01:18:51,796 --> 01:18:54,090 all the worst behaviours of bankers, 1908 01:18:54,114 --> 01:18:55,340 scamming the market, 1909 01:18:55,364 --> 01:18:58,010 centralising wealth in a few hands. 1910 01:18:58,034 --> 01:19:01,195 - [Torsten] Hmm, I think that's called human nature. 1911 01:19:01,219 --> 01:19:03,508 - So everyone wants to change the world 1912 01:19:03,532 --> 01:19:06,080 simply because they're not in the position of power. 1913 01:19:06,103 --> 01:19:08,406 As soon as they get into that position, 1914 01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:09,719 they do exactly the same thing. 1915 01:19:09,743 --> 01:19:12,232 - [Torsten] So guys like you will build a better future 1916 01:19:12,255 --> 01:19:14,709 and we can trust you guys better than the bankers? 1917 01:19:14,733 --> 01:19:15,758 - You don't have to trust us. 1918 01:19:15,782 --> 01:19:16,787 That's the beauty. 1919 01:19:16,811 --> 01:19:18,376 We're building a trustless, 1920 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,590 decentralised system that gives power to people. 1921 01:19:20,614 --> 01:19:23,028 (soft music) 1922 01:19:27,053 --> 01:19:29,645 - Trustless sounds like there's no trust. 1923 01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:32,731 But actually it means we don't need to trust you. 1924 01:19:32,755 --> 01:19:35,568 I think the better word should be trust-free.. 1925 01:19:35,593 --> 01:19:38,855 About one third, or maybe half of all the cost 1926 01:19:38,879 --> 01:19:41,799 of all the transactions are paid to establish trust 1927 01:19:41,823 --> 01:19:43,794 between trading parties. 1928 01:19:43,818 --> 01:19:46,847 Like we're paying for lawyers. 1929 01:19:46,871 --> 01:19:49,005 We're paying auditors. 1930 01:19:49,029 --> 01:19:51,692 We're paying even police, even regulators, 1931 01:19:51,716 --> 01:19:53,621 Government to build trust, 1932 01:19:53,645 --> 01:19:55,702 to ensure everything will be enforced. 1933 01:19:55,726 --> 01:19:58,656 So trust is quite expensive. 1934 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,324 Blockchain is the first time 1935 01:20:00,348 --> 01:20:02,272 that we saw some technology 1936 01:20:02,296 --> 01:20:04,709 that can eliminate the cost 1937 01:20:04,733 --> 01:20:07,686 or reduce the cost of trust dramatically. 1938 01:20:07,710 --> 01:20:09,434 Magical things will happen. 1939 01:20:09,459 --> 01:20:10,903 - [Torsten] Trust may be expensive, 1940 01:20:10,927 --> 01:20:12,558 but it's also in short supply. 1941 01:20:12,582 --> 01:20:14,150 All around the globe, 1942 01:20:14,174 --> 01:20:16,365 people have been losing faith in the media, 1943 01:20:16,389 --> 01:20:18,333 institutions, and Governments. 1944 01:20:18,357 --> 01:20:20,504 So what if this new technology 1945 01:20:20,528 --> 01:20:22,148 could fix one of society's biggest issues? 1946 01:20:22,173 --> 01:20:24,152 But the question remains: 1947 01:20:24,175 --> 01:20:25,880 What if you are cheated? 1948 01:20:25,904 --> 01:20:28,096 What if your password is stolen, 1949 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,115 and the money, 1950 01:20:29,139 --> 01:20:30,164 the contracts, 1951 01:20:30,188 --> 01:20:31,949 your identity is gone? 1952 01:20:34,219 --> 01:20:36,279 If code is law, 1953 01:20:36,303 --> 01:20:40,382 who administers justice? 1954 01:20:40,406 --> 01:20:43,050 (soft music) 1955 01:20:43,075 --> 01:20:45,362 Aren't you worried that the promise of decentralizing power 1956 01:20:45,386 --> 01:20:48,635 is kind of in jeopardy with you and Charlie 1957 01:20:48,659 --> 01:20:50,523 and Vitalik and Craig 1958 01:20:50,548 --> 01:20:52,871 as such central figureheads? 1959 01:20:52,896 --> 01:20:54,530 - Yeah, I really wish 1960 01:20:54,554 --> 01:20:57,307 there weren't public figures or leaders. 1961 01:20:57,331 --> 01:20:58,660 I want everyone to lead themselves, 1962 01:20:58,684 --> 01:21:01,253 but sadly that's not the world we live in. 1963 01:21:01,277 --> 01:21:02,562 If you're gonna look to a leader, 1964 01:21:02,585 --> 01:21:04,106 you know, choose your leader wisely. 1965 01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:06,857 (soft music) 1966 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,196 - But just how different are they 1967 01:21:08,219 --> 01:21:10,114 from our current political, financial, 1968 01:21:10,138 --> 01:21:11,303 and business leaders? 1969 01:21:11,327 --> 01:21:13,594 Are their systems really resistant to corruption, 1970 01:21:13,618 --> 01:21:15,269 immune to manipulation, 1971 01:21:15,293 --> 01:21:16,969 and worthy of our trust? 1972 01:21:16,993 --> 01:21:17,862 (soft music) 1973 01:21:17,886 --> 01:21:21,323 Maybe that's why the best bet is on the only project 1974 01:21:21,347 --> 01:21:22,313 without a figurehead: 1975 01:21:22,337 --> 01:21:24,898 Bitcoin doesn't care about human drama, 1976 01:21:24,922 --> 01:21:28,118 bad press, or what anyone thinks. 1977 01:21:28,142 --> 01:21:31,389 Yeah, sure, it hasn't succeeded as a global currency yet, 1978 01:21:31,414 --> 01:21:33,026 but in the past decade, 1979 01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:36,705 it has been the world's best performing financial asset. 1980 01:21:36,728 --> 01:21:39,594 So we're back to where we started: 1981 01:21:39,618 --> 01:21:41,428 The genius who vanished. 1982 01:21:41,452 --> 01:21:42,960 (electronic music) 1983 01:21:42,985 --> 01:21:44,818 - With Satoshi being gone from Bitcoin, 1984 01:21:44,843 --> 01:21:49,285 Bitcoin is really a very decentralised network and currency. 1985 01:21:49,309 --> 01:21:52,406 - He was intelligent enough to know that 1986 01:21:54,128 --> 01:21:54,937 a system without a father 1987 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,348 was gonna be much more robust 1988 01:21:56,371 --> 01:21:57,925 than a system with a father. 1989 01:21:57,949 --> 01:21:59,564 (electronic music) 1990 01:21:59,588 --> 01:22:01,112 - No father maybe, 1991 01:22:01,137 --> 01:22:02,472 but without leaving a will, 1992 01:22:02,496 --> 01:22:05,018 the kids are now fighting over the meaning of his invention, 1993 01:22:05,041 --> 01:22:07,267 and the inheritance, 1994 01:22:07,291 --> 01:22:10,559 projecting their fears and fantasies onto his legacy. 1995 01:22:10,584 --> 01:22:12,999 (soft music) 1996 01:22:14,394 --> 01:22:16,398 For some, it's money for the Internet 1997 01:22:16,422 --> 01:22:18,166 that can replace middlemen 1998 01:22:18,190 --> 01:22:19,954 and bank the unbanked. 1999 01:22:19,978 --> 01:22:22,262 And maybe a tool for illicit trade, 2000 01:22:22,286 --> 01:22:23,530 or is it digital gold? 2001 01:22:23,554 --> 01:22:25,231 A totally new asset class. 2002 01:22:25,255 --> 01:22:27,288 A bet against the bankers. 2003 01:22:27,312 --> 01:22:29,459 And insurance against inflation. 2004 01:22:29,483 --> 01:22:31,869 Protection from corrupt politicians. 2005 01:22:31,893 --> 01:22:34,332 And a weapon against the state. 2006 01:22:34,356 --> 01:22:36,813 Maybe the end of money as we know it. 2007 01:22:36,837 --> 01:22:39,800 For some entrepreneurs, it represents a shortcut 2008 01:22:39,825 --> 01:22:41,529 to fund their dreams. 2009 01:22:41,553 --> 01:22:43,505 A platform for fairer finance. 2010 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:45,993 Which is why incumbents fight it. 2011 01:22:46,017 --> 01:22:48,175 Some say public blockchains 2012 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,386 are just slow and useless databases. 2013 01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:53,920 While big business is busy building private blockchains 2014 01:22:53,943 --> 01:22:55,628 to boost efficiency. 2015 01:22:55,652 --> 01:22:57,816 Or maybe this decentralised technology 2016 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,273 is a new protocol layer for the Internet 2017 01:23:00,298 --> 01:23:02,231 upon which we can build a better web 2018 01:23:02,255 --> 01:23:04,719 to dethrone the tech giants, 2019 01:23:04,743 --> 01:23:06,407 reclaim free speech, 2020 01:23:06,432 --> 01:23:08,386 protect online identities, 2021 01:23:08,410 --> 01:23:10,898 and facilitate free trade in a borderless, digital economy. 2022 01:23:10,923 --> 01:23:14,109 Oh, and a tool to rebuild trust in our societies, 2023 01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:18,346 and yes, maybe even save the planet. 2024 01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:22,299 That's a never ending list of cryptopian ideas. 2025 01:23:22,323 --> 01:23:24,737 (soft music) 2026 01:23:25,942 --> 01:23:27,160 Isn't this a bit too much to ask 2027 01:23:27,184 --> 01:23:29,059 of a nine page document? 2028 01:23:29,083 --> 01:23:31,496 (soft music) 2029 01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:38,226 Yeah sure, the Internet and the Web 2030 01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:39,855 started out as white papers too. 2031 01:23:39,879 --> 01:23:42,925 But it took decades before it's infrastructure was built, 2032 01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:44,697 became user friendly, 2033 01:23:44,721 --> 01:23:46,746 and ready to scale globally. 2034 01:23:46,771 --> 01:23:49,484 - We kind of domesticate the wild potential 2035 01:23:49,508 --> 01:23:51,754 of technologies into what's familiar. 2036 01:23:51,778 --> 01:23:54,340 And we dramatically underestimate, 2037 01:23:54,364 --> 01:23:55,538 or under imagine 2038 01:23:55,562 --> 01:23:57,837 what that technology may eventually do. 2039 01:23:57,861 --> 01:23:59,145 - [Torsten] It'll be the users, 2040 01:23:59,169 --> 01:24:00,563 maybe billions of them, 2041 01:24:00,587 --> 01:24:02,764 who will adopt this technology without even knowing 2042 01:24:02,788 --> 01:24:05,356 what a blockchain is or how it works. 2043 01:24:06,316 --> 01:24:08,594 Because here's the thing: 2044 01:24:08,619 --> 01:24:11,023 The average users don't care about the wires 2045 01:24:11,047 --> 01:24:12,671 that move their money quicker, 2046 01:24:12,695 --> 01:24:14,130 don't know about the software 2047 01:24:14,154 --> 01:24:16,592 that moves this movie or that picture, 2048 01:24:16,616 --> 01:24:18,675 what will move them 2049 01:24:18,699 --> 01:24:22,032 are services that'll make their days a little brighter, 2050 01:24:22,056 --> 01:24:24,088 their chores a little lighter, 2051 01:24:24,112 --> 01:24:28,243 and their lives a little richer. 2052 01:24:29,896 --> 01:24:31,200 ♪ Dude's got suits ♪ 2053 01:24:31,224 --> 01:24:34,642 ♪ Dude's got a tie and a big smile ♪ 2054 01:24:34,666 --> 01:24:37,252 ♪ And he's pitching me some blockchain ♪ 2055 01:24:37,276 --> 01:24:38,621 ♪ Supply chains are broken ♪ 2056 01:24:38,645 --> 01:24:39,815 ♪ Do we need his token ♪ 2057 01:24:39,839 --> 01:24:41,337 ♪ There's a pain in my brain ♪ 2058 01:24:41,361 --> 01:24:42,411 ♪ and I'm going insane ♪ 2059 01:24:42,434 --> 01:24:44,591 ♪ I don't want no blockchain ♪ 2060 01:24:44,615 --> 01:24:45,987 ♪ That one plays chess at his desk ♪ 2061 01:24:46,012 --> 01:24:47,181 ♪ poses for the press ♪ 2062 01:24:47,205 --> 01:24:49,169 ♪ The price of his coin just tripled ♪ 2063 01:24:49,193 --> 01:24:51,380 ♪ I just stare into the Ether, take a breather ♪ 2064 01:24:51,404 --> 01:24:54,393 ♪ 'cause I don't wanna cause a Ripple ♪ 2065 01:24:54,416 --> 01:24:57,215 ♪ Don't wanna cause a Ripple ♪ 2066 01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:01,918 ♪ I won't trust him with my money ♪ 2067 01:25:01,942 --> 01:25:06,937 ♪ Will never trust him with my life ♪ 2068 01:25:07,123 --> 01:25:09,174 ♪ Well I have been told ♪ 2069 01:25:09,198 --> 01:25:12,355 ♪ That my life is controlled ♪ 2070 01:25:12,379 --> 01:25:15,626 ♪ But Bitcoin ain't Gold ♪ 2071 01:25:16,813 --> 01:25:19,228 (rock music) 2072 01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:34,237 ♪ Talks Bretton Woods ♪ 2073 01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:39,208 ♪ That guy speaks code ♪ 2074 01:25:39,232 --> 01:25:40,521 ♪ Runs a full node ♪ 2075 01:25:40,545 --> 01:25:41,708 ♪ This is new money production ♪ 2076 01:25:44,228 --> 01:25:45,317 ♪ of illicit goods ♪ 2077 01:25:45,341 --> 01:25:47,846 ♪ This is a weapon of math destruction ♪ 2078 01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:50,347 ♪ This is a weapon of math destruction ♪ 2079 01:25:50,371 --> 01:25:52,371 ♪ This is a weapon of math destruction ♪ 2080 01:25:52,396 --> 01:25:53,603 ♪ That lady's quick on her feet ♪ 2081 01:25:53,627 --> 01:25:55,316 ♪ Lit in her a tweets ♪ 2082 01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:57,143 ♪ Says she takes on the haters ♪ 2083 01:25:57,166 --> 01:25:58,230 ♪ and nothing can break her ♪ 2084 01:25:58,254 --> 01:25:59,969 ♪ The Web could be much safer ♪ 2085 01:25:59,994 --> 01:26:02,170 ♪ And our Freedom quite greater ♪ 2086 01:26:02,193 --> 01:26:06,333 ♪ And it's all in this white paper ♪ 2087 01:26:06,357 --> 01:26:08,125 ♪ All in this white paper ♪ 2088 01:26:08,148 --> 01:26:09,991 ♪ I don't trust them ♪ 2089 01:26:10,014 --> 01:26:12,312 ♪ With my money ♪ 149967

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