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[sombre instrumental music]
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[indistinct voices]
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[frog ribbiting]
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[indistinct dispatch over radio]
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[female 911 operator]
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[woman speaking]
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[operator] Uh-huh.
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[woman speaking]
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[operator speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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[operator speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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[operator speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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[operator speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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[operator speaking]
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[Nate] News in Idaho falls
is kinda slow.
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Not a lot of big things
happen here.
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I had only been here
a few weeks,
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when this case,
the biggest story of my career,
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happened.
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[Frank] It just
didn't make sense
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to not find anything.
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Footprints, pieces of flesh,
pieces of clothing.
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[Steve]
Oh, it's-- it's troubling.
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You know, I got, you know,
members of my
search and rescue unit
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that aren't sleeping
too well.
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[Nate] This is a small town
in Idaho called Leadore.
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It's remote. Your cell phone
is going in and out.
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You're on
a gravel road at first,
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but then it turns
very rocky.
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And when I say rocky,
I mean big boulders.
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[Frank] You need to drive
maybe five miles an hour
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and that's safe.
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And it's just real rocky.
Takes a long time
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to travel the short distance
from the town of Leadore
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to the campground.
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[Steve] Once you leave
the pavement, I think it's
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a little over seven miles
of pretty rough road.
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[Nate]
Once you reach the campsite
to where they were at,
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the Timber Creek Campground,
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it kind of just dead ends.
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And you get out
and there's the campsite,
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there's the table,
there's a fire pit.
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Ten-twenty feet away,
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there's a steep hill that
goes to the creek.
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[Steve]
It's a combination of
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willowy, swampy,
creek bottoms,
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steep hillsides,
some of 'em...
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sage brush,
some of them timber.
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Lot of rock.
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[Nate] They arrived
at the campground
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late on the evening
of July 9th, Thursday evening.
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It was very late,
it was dark.
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They say they
instantly went to bed.
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From day one,
law enforcement told us
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that all of the people
at the campsite
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were considered persons
of interests
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just because they
were simply there.
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DeOrr Sr and Jessica Mitchell,
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the parents of young DeOrr,
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Grandpa, Jessica's grandpa,
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And another man
named Isaac Reinwand,
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who was a friend of Grandpa
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who apparently at
the last minute
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decided to go camping
with them.
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[Jamie] It was dark when
they got there.
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DeOrr said they
parked the truck
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parked the trailer
in the Suburban.
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Issac pitched his tent,
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they got Grandpa settled
in the camp trailer,
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they slept in the back
of the Suburban.
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Got up the next morning,
and then he realized
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how rural it was.
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You know, they were
basically at the end
of the road.
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Thought it was
a pretty safe place.
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You know? Cliffs kinda
all the way around,
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not really any way
for him to get out.
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You know?
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The next morning,
July 10th, Friday,
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they wake up,
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they're hanging around
in the campsite.
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[Kelsey] They had gone
into Leadore, to the store,
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because Jessica needed
feminine products,
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They went in there
and they bought,
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you know, just that stuff
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and then some candy and
stuff for the little man.
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[Frank] Jessica goes
to the bathroom,
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as the boys loaded up.
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And they return to
the campground.
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So they get to the campground,
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this Isaac and
the grandfather Bob
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said, "We got some fish."
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And he showed the fish
to DeOrr,
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and DeOrr supposedly says,
"I ain't believing you caught
those fish in the stream.
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I can't believe it.
Show me where you
got 'em."
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So Jessica and DeOrr
with this Issac
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go towards the creek,
which is maybe 100 feet away.
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[Nate] They say
to little DeOrr,
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"Do you wanna come
with us?"
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According to law enforcement,
little DeOrr follows them
for a point,
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but then turns around
and goes back.
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The parents continue on
assuming that Grandpa
is watching DeOrr.
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And Jessica tells me,
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she keeps looking back
over her shoulder
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to make sure the little boy
is not following them.
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And when she was confident
he wasn't following,
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they went to the two spots
along the creek
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where they supposedly
caught the fish.
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[Kelsey] They went down there
probably 10-15 minutes,
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and then they saw minnows.
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And they were gonna
go back to camp
and get little man,
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because he loves fish.
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He loves bugs...
stuff like that.
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And so,
they went back up there
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and DeOrr looks
at Bob and says,
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"Where's little DeOrr?"
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And Bob says,
"He was right here."
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"Where's little DeOrr?"
And Grandpa says,
"He's right there."
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Of course he's not there.
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Grandfather claims he didn't
go inside his trailer.
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But I believe he did.
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Police say that Issac Reinwand
at this time is down
at the creek, fishing.
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They say they panic.
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They do a search of
the immediate campground.
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They look wherever
they can.
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[Kelsey] Craziness started.
Everybody's...
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I mean, they started yelling,
they started searching.
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They searched for about
15 to 20 minutes.
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No sign of them.
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Then it's decided they
better call 911.
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It's a remote area,
you can't get
cell phone service.
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Jessica says miraculously
she got a signal.
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[Jessica over phone]
Um, my two-year-old son...
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um, we can't find him.
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DeOrr hops into his truck,
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goes down the road to see
if he can get better service.
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Both of them were
on the phone
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with 911
at the same time.
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You know, "My son's missing.
Can you help us?"
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And then it's just all been
chaos from there.
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[radio jockey]
Good evening, everyone.
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You're in the right place,
at the right time.
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This is Coast to Cost AM.
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Tonight, we plunge once again,
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into the deep end of
the paranormal pool.
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Hundreds of people vanish
from our national parks
and forests.
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Some right under the noses
of parents or family members,
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under very unusual,
but very similar
circumstances.
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Dave Paulides, welcome back
to the program.
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[David] Thanks for
having me, George.
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[George] All right, Dave,
I wanna jump right into this.
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DeOrr Kunz, two-years-old.
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I mean, you were a cop.
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If you were
investigating this case,
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abduction is one of the least
likely events, right?
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[David]
I would probably say yes.
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And the reason for that is,
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is that the family was
in a campground,
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deep into the mountains.
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There was one very
rocky, rough road going in,
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and the same road out.
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If someone would have driven
into that area,
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you would think that
the family would have
heard him.
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And if they would've
walked up to the campsite,
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they for sure would
have been seen.
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[George] It's like,
it's like in so many
of the other cases.
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It's like he's plucked
out of the sky.
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It's like just snatched
out of the sky.
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[David] That case
is very reminiscent
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of a case that happened
decades earlier
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just outside of Estes Park,
Colorado.
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[forest sounds]
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[boy humming]
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[continues humming]
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St. Malo is...
Purely for Catholics,
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it's one of the most visited
placed in the Estes Valley.
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Up on the hill
you have the statue of Christ.
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Then right below that,
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is St. Catherine's chapel.
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The story of St. Malo
is really wonderful.
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It goes back to a man
named Father Joseph Pascetti,
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who was a Catholic priest.
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One day, in 1916,
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he came up to Tahosa Valley,
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and he and two or three
others were camping
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on the slopes of Mount Meeker,
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when they saw
a meteor in the sky.
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They got up,
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wandered toward the meteor
hoping they'd found where
it came down,
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and ended up standing
on the rock
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where St. Catherine's Chapel
is located.
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And Father Pascetti said
this would be a good place
for a boys' camp,
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and the rest is history.
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I'm the caretaker here,
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at St. Catherine of Siena's
Chapel on the Rock.
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This was built 1935
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as a chapel for camp kids
for all those years.
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Lots of camp kids
came here.
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And 1973, I came up here
and became a camp counselor
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at camp St. Malo,
and loved the outdoors.
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Every week,
the kids would go on hikes.
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There was an easy,
medium and hard hike.
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And we'd have bonfire
and lodge night,
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where we did skits
and sang songs and...
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The camaraderie was awesome.
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[man] It's August,
it's a warm summer month.
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Bobby Bizup was
a ten-year-old camper.
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He was partially deaf,
wore a hearing aid.
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And he liked to fish.
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Well, on August 15th,
at about 6:00 p.m.
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Bobby was fishing in the small
creek behind the retreat,
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when a counselor
approached him and told him
it was dinner time.
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Bobby acknowledged
the counselor
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and started to follow him
downhill towards the retreat.
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As the counselor was
walking back,
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he turned behind him
to look,
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and Bobby was gone.
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And that's when
the search started.
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St. Malo Retreat and
the summer camp
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is right on the border of
Rocky Mountain National Park.
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Within four days there were
400 searches from
the National Park Service,
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local sheriffs, volunteers
and SAR experts.
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Officials were
difficult to understand
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how Bobby could get lost
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because it's straight downhill
on a very defined trail
to the retreat.
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During the height
of the search,
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the civil air patrol dropped
5,000 leaflets
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over 200 square miles,
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which were telling Bobby that
his parents loved him
and they needed him.
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On August 25th,
the formal search
was terminated
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after a nine day effort.
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Now, there were
three counselors
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that were looking for Bobby
that entire time,
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and the following year
they returned.
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And one day, they walked
up the side of Mount Meeker,
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right through
the boulder field,
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about 2,000 feet up
from the retreat,
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and saw a hearing aid,
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and bits of clothing.
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They found
Bobby Bizup's remains.
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And they found him
in a ravine,
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up on the face
of Mount Meeker,
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which is right here,
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along Cabin Creek.
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He was in a ravine
that they had searched
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at least three times
the year before.
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[man] Make no mistake,
Bobby could not have been lost.
250
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Uphill, the Meeker
is an exhausting
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and treacherous
hiking spots.
252
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Downhill to the retreat is
dinner and an easy hike.
253
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[George] You mentioned that
Bobby is hearing impaired.
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When you look
at the big picture
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in the number of cases
that you have investigated,
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the fact that he's impaired
is almost as if that's
one of the factors
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on why they're targeted.
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[David] George,
that's an interesting point.
259
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It seems as though an
abnormal number
of these people
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disappear with some type of
physical impairment,
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or genetic deficiency.
262
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So Bobby's case
happened August 15th, 1958.
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These go back decades.
264
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But even today it's happening
as we speak.
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It's the third night
an Idaho Falls family
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is spending without
their son.
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More than 10,000
man hours have been put
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into trying to find
a missing toddler
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in Lemhi County.
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[man] A lot of facts
didn't add up.
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I just... I don't know.
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The day before--
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[reporter] It's a disappearance
that has many
scratching their heads.
274
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Ten miles west of Leadore,
275
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this campground
was the last place
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anyone saw two-year-old
DeOrr Kunz Jr.
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[Steve] A child that age,
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75% of them are found within
four tenths of a mile
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of the place last seen.
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I mean, you look at the terrain
and it's extremely rugged,
281
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but they can go further than
you think would be reasonable.
282
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[interviewer speaking]
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I sent a deputy up there,
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activated Search and Rescue.
285
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[Frank] The sheriff
within a few hours
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he had several searchers
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who were searching
for this boy.
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Wt find him.
289
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We used dogs
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to start with some
ground searchers.
291
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To start with, uh...
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Helicopter came in.
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Top notch crew.
294
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I mean, the had flare which
is forward looking
infrared for night.
295
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This is all these guys do.
296
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This type of stuff,
search and rescue.
297
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I wanna spread everybody
out in one long chain.
298
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As wide as we can get.
299
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I mean, from hilltop
to hilltop,
300
00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:12,365
we gonna walk
the main street high.
301
00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:14,767
I wanna cover every
little nook and cranny,
302
00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:16,769
cover every log...
303
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Anything that
looks turned over,
check it out.
304
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I was 90 to 100 miles an hour
driving around people,
305
00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,646
you know, just acting
like a maniac to get up there.
306
00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:29,382
I thought it's gonna
be really foolish
when I get up there
307
00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:31,251
and get out of the car
and he's right there.
308
00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:34,254
You know, and I got out of
the car and that wasn't
what happened.
309
00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:37,224
You know, everyone said
310
00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,626
take five steps, look up,
look down, look around.
311
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Take five steps, look up,
look down and around.
312
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And that's what we do.
313
00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:45,965
I mean, there's
a lot of area up there.
314
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There is people everywhere.
315
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,602
I mean, there was 200 plus
searchers up there,
316
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the day after he went
missing on Saturday.
317
00:17:51,738 --> 00:17:53,840
You know, there was
people everywhere.
318
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[Nate] Maybe he fell
into the creek.
319
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That creek,
Search and rescue crews
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00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:05,152
went through on
their hands and feet,
321
00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:07,887
with poles, literally crawling
through that creek.
322
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Nothing.
323
00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:11,057
I suppose they
check wolf dens,
324
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:12,992
they check bear dens,
325
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they check eagle nests.
326
00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:17,096
Because an eagle could
pick up 30 pounds.
327
00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:20,400
Little DeOrr weighed
approximately 27-28 pounds.
328
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,135
There are bears
in the area.
329
00:18:22,169 --> 00:18:24,837
There's bobcats,
there's mountain lions.
330
00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:26,439
There's other animals.
331
00:18:26,473 --> 00:18:30,410
But there would be some
sort of clothing,
332
00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:33,480
or a bone, or something,
you would think.
333
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:36,716
There's no clothing,
there's no flesh
334
00:18:36,749 --> 00:18:39,152
or anything that would indicate
that an animal got him.
335
00:18:39,186 --> 00:18:41,754
There's no blood,
there's nothing there.
336
00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:43,856
[interviewer speaking]
337
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,295
You know, you think you
would find something.
338
00:18:48,328 --> 00:18:51,164
You're talking about
the trace you're looking for,
339
00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:53,065
or maybe a boot came off.
340
00:18:53,099 --> 00:18:55,835
Well, they were camouflage
cowboy boots.
341
00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:57,304
You know, the thing of it is,
342
00:18:57,337 --> 00:18:59,606
everything there
at that time of the year's
that tall.
343
00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:01,140
You know...
344
00:19:01,674 --> 00:19:03,343
Same size as him.
345
00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:07,680
It's possible.
346
00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:11,984
[Jamie] This little boot
is similar...
347
00:19:12,018 --> 00:19:13,886
Actually this
is the exact boot,
348
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,755
maybe just
a couple sizes bigger,
349
00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:19,259
that DeOrr was wearing
the day he went missing.
350
00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:22,262
I can tell you from experience,
351
00:19:22,295 --> 00:19:24,464
that these boots don't
stay on real good.
352
00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:26,599
My grandson kicks them off
in the car seat
353
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,268
every time
we put him in there.
354
00:19:29,902 --> 00:19:32,071
They were too big for him,
so they were sloppy,
355
00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:34,106
and he was clumsy anyway.
356
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,643
When he would walk,
he'd just walk clumsily.
357
00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,846
Somebody picked him up,
the cowboy boot must have
fallen off his feet.
358
00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:41,681
So if these were the boots
359
00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:45,117
that DeOrr was wearing
that day and they were too big,
360
00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:47,186
certainly if an animal
would have grabbed him,
361
00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:49,055
even if somebody else
had abducted him,
362
00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,924
I think we would have
found... something.
363
00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:54,927
The boots, his jacket...
364
00:19:56,463 --> 00:19:58,798
Something would be found
up there.
365
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:04,837
We went for three or four days
without any sleep.
366
00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:06,439
And I got to the point where
367
00:20:06,473 --> 00:20:08,808
I was an emotional mess.
368
00:20:17,016 --> 00:20:18,651
You gotta have
a twofold investigation.
369
00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:21,020
You gotta think the search,
that's good.
370
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,322
Then you can't find anything,
371
00:20:22,355 --> 00:20:24,357
then you start focusing
on the parents.
372
00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:28,761
Then you focus on people,
who else were in the camp
around at that time.
373
00:20:28,795 --> 00:20:30,730
And so now they're
coming down hard
374
00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:32,098
on Jessica and DeOrr.
375
00:20:32,131 --> 00:20:33,500
Try to play
one against the other
376
00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,635
to see if one's gonna tell.
377
00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:37,704
Law enforcement
continually told us
378
00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,573
that all of the individuals
were being cooperative.
379
00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:42,909
They were all questioned
individually,
380
00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:44,210
and together.
381
00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:46,212
And they were working
with them.
382
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,248
There wasn't any
sort of red flag
383
00:20:49,282 --> 00:20:50,617
that police were saying
384
00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:53,786
that were pointing them toward
one specific individual.
385
00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,289
You know, I've had to
grab her by the hand
386
00:20:56,323 --> 00:20:58,458
and go for walks with her
and say,
387
00:20:58,491 --> 00:21:00,293
"You just have to promise me,
388
00:21:00,327 --> 00:21:02,128
if there's anything
that's going on,
389
00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,763
you gotta talk to me,
you gotta tell me."
390
00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:06,333
You know,
and those conversations
391
00:21:06,366 --> 00:21:08,234
have been very clear
and straightforward,
392
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:12,271
and she's come back and said,
"Mom, I don't know why
you're doing this to me.
393
00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:14,006
I didn't have anything to
do with this."
394
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,015
[Nate]
DeOrr Sr. and Jessica Mitchell,
395
00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:24,517
the parents of young DeOrr,
396
00:21:24,551 --> 00:21:28,655
came into our studios
and looked upset.
397
00:21:28,688 --> 00:21:30,790
They looked like they had been
wearing the same clothing
398
00:21:30,823 --> 00:21:32,792
that they were wearing
when they were camping.
399
00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:33,793
A hoodie...
400
00:21:33,826 --> 00:21:36,228
She was carrying
DeOrr's blanket.
401
00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:37,930
It was dirty,
it was ragged,
402
00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:39,966
it hadn't been washed.
And a teddy bear.
403
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,201
One of his little toys.
404
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:45,472
We sat down, and as I
do with any interview,
405
00:21:45,505 --> 00:21:47,540
especially with
a distraught parent,
406
00:21:47,574 --> 00:21:49,476
you wanna show compassion
and kindness.
407
00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:51,378
But you also
wanna find out if they
408
00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:54,246
might have anything to do
with his disappearance.
409
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,115
All right, DeOrr,
so take us back...
410
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,418
Was it Friday?
411
00:21:58,451 --> 00:21:59,852
I'm not sure what day
it is today.
412
00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:01,821
-Today's Monday. It was Friday.
-Yeah. It was Friday.
413
00:22:01,854 --> 00:22:03,089
Friday about...
414
00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:07,193
2:26 is when I...
Was it 2:26?
415
00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:08,861
It was 2:36 when I called.
416
00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:12,365
2:36 is when she called
and I was in the truck
417
00:22:12,399 --> 00:22:14,000
hauling down to the road,
trying to get service.
418
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,768
'Cause I didn't think
one bar would get it.
419
00:22:16,403 --> 00:22:17,937
We... we were just...
420
00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:19,872
Yeah, we decided we were
gonna go a little exploring.
421
00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,108
He was gonna be good with
Grandpa by the campfire.
422
00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:24,944
-We weren't
probably more than 15--
-Ten minutes.
423
00:22:24,977 --> 00:22:26,479
Fifty yards away
in ten minutes
424
00:22:26,513 --> 00:22:29,181
by the time I'd seen him
425
00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:30,950
to the point I figured out
he was gone.
426
00:22:30,983 --> 00:22:32,619
[Nate]
And the creek was empty?
427
00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:34,153
The creek,
there was nothing.
428
00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,823
They had chainsaws,
um, moving,
429
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:39,859
'cause every few feet
it was blocked off.
430
00:22:39,892 --> 00:22:42,862
Blocked down and
blocked off from nature.
431
00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:46,466
From tress, from branches,
from debris.
432
00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:49,636
I mean, there was a lot
of places that he could be,
433
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:51,471
and that's what they
wanted to eliminate.
434
00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:52,705
That was my biggest concern.
435
00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:54,474
'Cause that's where
we were by.
436
00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:56,809
That means that there's
a chance he's still alive.
437
00:22:56,843 --> 00:23:00,613
And that's all I need is
a chance to know that
he's still alive.
438
00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:02,549
And until I have him...
439
00:23:02,582 --> 00:23:05,885
and closure, or him,
nothing is stopping.
440
00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,119
Nothing is...
441
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:09,722
[Nate] Do you know if somebody
had a vendetta against you?
442
00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,758
I mean, I'm sure you've
gone through your mind...
443
00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:12,825
We've been
wreaking our brains.
444
00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:14,293
We have been
wreaking our brains.
445
00:23:14,326 --> 00:23:16,529
And I don't know anybody
that doesn't have a few people
446
00:23:16,563 --> 00:23:18,598
that either will like you
or hate you.
447
00:23:18,631 --> 00:23:21,434
But not to harm a two-year-old,
almost three-year-old.
448
00:23:21,468 --> 00:23:22,602
Not to harm us this way.
449
00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:26,473
Especially knowing how
much he means to us.
450
00:23:26,506 --> 00:23:28,908
He's everything to us.
451
00:23:32,479 --> 00:23:33,913
[Nate speaking]
452
00:23:33,946 --> 00:23:35,915
[DeOrr] No, we're actually
getting married next month.
453
00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:37,283
[Nate] Oh.
454
00:23:37,316 --> 00:23:39,619
I saw the rings and didn't
know if it was engagement,
or...
455
00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:40,820
[DeOrr] Engagement.
456
00:23:40,853 --> 00:23:42,589
[Nate] How long have you
been together? Pop quiz.
457
00:23:42,622 --> 00:23:44,524
-[DeOrr] Almost five years.
-[Jessica] Yeah.
458
00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:51,731
[woman] Jessica's always been
very, very reserved.
459
00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:55,802
She does not like to let
people see her emotionally.
460
00:23:58,471 --> 00:23:59,706
[Frank] Yeah, she is quiet.
461
00:23:59,739 --> 00:24:02,441
And he is the one
that more dynamic.
462
00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:04,010
Maybe you might say
probably to a fault.
463
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:11,150
You know, the 911 call
that she made,
464
00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:12,418
everyone kept saying,
465
00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,754
you know, why was it that
she was so calm?
466
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:17,857
[Jessica over phone] I am
actually camping in Leadore.
467
00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:20,426
Just outside of Leadore.
468
00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:21,594
[911 operator] Uh-huh.
469
00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:24,296
[Jessica]
Um, my two-year-old son...
470
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,065
um, we can't find him.
471
00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:29,602
[Frank] I know they
need money.
472
00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:32,271
I know they owe
a lot of money in Montpelier,
473
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,340
A lot of money
for childcare.
474
00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:36,375
And I know she had
her tubes tied since,
475
00:24:36,408 --> 00:24:40,146
so she could never have
it reversed, never have
another child.
476
00:24:40,179 --> 00:24:43,916
I think she did that because
she didn't want children.
477
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:46,018
But there's evidence
that she was...
478
00:24:46,052 --> 00:24:48,855
Uh, had a hard time
dealing with kids.
479
00:24:48,888 --> 00:24:51,323
She would leave her kid
at daycare,
480
00:24:51,357 --> 00:24:52,892
and leave him unattended
many times.
481
00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:56,428
I've talked to many people
that brought that up.
482
00:24:56,462 --> 00:25:00,266
She has two kids
from her ex-husband.
483
00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:03,870
And every other weekend
they go to her house
for the weekend.
484
00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:13,179
Seemed like good kids.
Still think they are good kids.
485
00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:15,081
Um...
486
00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:17,617
They're hurting... bad.
487
00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:19,686
Um...
488
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:23,155
I've held DeOrr while
he's cried.
489
00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:25,958
After we
finished the interview,
490
00:25:25,992 --> 00:25:27,860
I said, "Well, I hope
he's found today.
491
00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:30,663
I hope you find him today."
492
00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,298
And then, that night,
493
00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:34,734
I saw them again
at a vigil.
494
00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:36,202
[man] Hear the God
of all comfort, Lord,
495
00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:39,639
that you would comfort
the heart of Jessica and DeOrr
496
00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:40,873
and Trina, Lord.
497
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:42,508
He could be very, very close.
498
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,976
He could be very far away.
499
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:46,679
We don't know,
but we are covering
all bases at this point.
500
00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:50,950
There's not much to be said
other than one small mistake
as a parent.
501
00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:54,921
You know, leaving him
with an adult
502
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:56,589
that turns his head
for a minute,
503
00:25:56,623 --> 00:25:57,990
they move, they go.
504
00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:00,727
Please, cherish
and love each other.
505
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,029
'Cause it can be changed
in just a split second.
506
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,598
[Nate] And they said that
they were leaving from
the vigil
507
00:26:05,632 --> 00:26:07,600
to go back up
to the campsite
508
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:08,868
to continue to search.
509
00:26:37,363 --> 00:26:40,466
[Rob] Basically what we
would do is pick an area
510
00:26:40,499 --> 00:26:42,902
were we would like
to hike and explore.
511
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:47,640
And so when we went along
Big South Trail
for the first time,
512
00:26:47,674 --> 00:26:50,710
gorgeous hike,
beautiful, beautiful river.
513
00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:55,648
This is really a wild area.
514
00:26:55,682 --> 00:26:59,085
And the reason
why Gary and I
so much enjoy
515
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:00,319
hiking together.
516
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:06,926
And then it was
just coincidental
517
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:08,961
that we wound up
in a rock field
518
00:27:08,995 --> 00:27:11,597
and said, you know,
"Let's hike up the ridge."
519
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:16,135
And I think it's about
2,000 foot hike up
520
00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:18,470
elevation to get to
the top of it.
521
00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:21,307
But really remarkable country.
522
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:22,709
[Gareth] Yeah, okay...
523
00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:24,643
Pretty much it was like
almost a scramble.
524
00:27:24,677 --> 00:27:26,578
So you're watching your feet,
525
00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:28,715
and basically you're
just focused
526
00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:30,249
a few feet in front
of you, your own feet,
527
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:32,184
so you don't twist an ankle
or something.
528
00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,053
And that's when I saw
the shoe.
529
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:38,024
It was pretty pristine.
530
00:27:38,057 --> 00:27:41,560
It was like somebody
had just took their foot
right out of it, you know.
531
00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:42,962
It was so fresh,
I thought like
532
00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:45,097
I would see a kid
standing in front of me.
533
00:27:49,568 --> 00:27:51,303
-Cheese.
-[man] And what's your name?
534
00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:52,238
Jaryd.
535
00:27:52,271 --> 00:27:54,240
Now give me that big smile
with dimples.
536
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,442
Yeah!
537
00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:58,878
[Allyn] It wasn't so much
that he liked the Raiders.
538
00:27:58,911 --> 00:28:00,679
He loved silver and black.
539
00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:02,915
And when he saw the Raiders
on TV one day,
540
00:28:02,949 --> 00:28:04,683
He's like, "Dad, there's
a silver and black team."
541
00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,953
I said, "Yeah, there is."
"That's my team, Dad."
542
00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:08,387
And I'm like, "Okay."
543
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:09,756
So he's a Raiders fan.
544
00:28:11,290 --> 00:28:12,892
My name is Jocelyn Atadero,
545
00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:14,660
and my brother Jaryd Atadero
went missing
546
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,296
in the Colorado Mountains
in 1999.
547
00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:20,833
As I was younger,
548
00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,501
my dad would tell me that
I would tell him
549
00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:24,470
certain memories I had
of the hike.
550
00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:25,905
As I got older, though,
551
00:28:25,938 --> 00:28:29,375
I couldn't even tell you what
I told him back then.
552
00:28:29,408 --> 00:28:31,677
The only memory I have
553
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:34,346
of the resort,
or that whole time period,
554
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:37,149
is after Jaryd
had disappeared.
555
00:28:37,183 --> 00:28:39,118
We were back
at the resort in a room...
556
00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:40,686
I couldn't even tell you where,
557
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,621
and my dad was
kneeling on the ground crying,
558
00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:43,890
and I was hugging him.
559
00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:51,097
[Allyn] I was attracted
to Poudre Canyon,
560
00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:53,966
because, you know,
the trees were beautiful.
561
00:28:55,768 --> 00:28:57,203
And you know there's
stuff out there,
562
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:58,404
but it's just
interesting because
563
00:28:58,437 --> 00:29:00,940
you become part of
the Poudre Canyon right there.
564
00:29:04,476 --> 00:29:06,813
[Butch] It was approximately
a ten acre resort.
565
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,415
It was small, but, you know,
we kept busy.
566
00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:13,786
[Allyn] It was all about
just being there.
567
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:15,788
It was one of those
situations where
568
00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:18,757
when you actually own
a little store there...
569
00:29:18,791 --> 00:29:21,060
We got up at six o'clock
in the morning,
570
00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:23,429
and we closed at eleven o'clock
in the night.
571
00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:26,966
Not only did it
take care of us,
572
00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:28,868
but how many people
get the opportunity
573
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:31,170
to be next
to their kids 24/7?
574
00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:34,140
And that's what I really
enjoyed about the canyon.
575
00:29:34,173 --> 00:29:35,441
There were only
three of us.
576
00:29:35,474 --> 00:29:37,676
I mean, even though had
a family at the resort,
577
00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:39,078
we had people that
worked for us,
578
00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:40,579
it was Jocelyn, Jared and I.
579
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:42,381
We knew that
we were the family.
580
00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:51,958
The group decided they wanted
to go to the trout farm,
581
00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:53,459
the fishery,
right around the corner.
582
00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:56,228
Maybe about a mile and a half,
two miles
from the resort itself.
583
00:29:58,764 --> 00:30:00,266
Hey, Allyn.
Jocelyn wants to know...
584
00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,068
[Allyn] Several of the people
I knew quite well.
585
00:30:02,101 --> 00:30:05,037
So I gave permission
for Jocelyn to go.
586
00:30:05,071 --> 00:30:07,139
Not knowing that Jaryd
would be saying,
587
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:10,176
"Gee, Dad. If she can go,
why can't I go, too?"
588
00:30:12,044 --> 00:30:13,612
He had his shoes on.
589
00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:15,247
He hated tying his shoes.
590
00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:17,049
So I didn't make him
tie his shoes.
591
00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:19,285
And he had like
a beige color jacket.
592
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:21,854
Have fun, okay?
593
00:30:21,888 --> 00:30:24,356
Don't get too close
to the water.
594
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:27,960
I let Jaryd go and I assumed
that's where they were going.
595
00:30:36,435 --> 00:30:38,004
[interviewer speaking]
596
00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:41,740
Moderate.
Ups, downs.
597
00:30:41,773 --> 00:30:44,877
You could take a kid on it
as long as you kept
the kid in line
598
00:30:45,577 --> 00:30:47,980
and hung onto him.
599
00:30:48,014 --> 00:30:52,251
'Cause there was some areas
where the ledges were only
24 inches wide.
600
00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:55,687
And you had loose shell
all the way down
to the river, so...
601
00:30:55,721 --> 00:30:57,123
And then there was
rock fields.
602
00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,557
Being a moderate trail,
it was pretty tough.
603
00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:02,061
If you're not in shape,
it will take it out of you.
604
00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:05,664
The church group went up
to the Big South Trail.
605
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:06,933
They parked at the trail head,
606
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:09,168
and they started walking
in on the trail.
607
00:31:15,074 --> 00:31:18,477
They started to separate or
spread out as they walked.
608
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,512
Some people faster and slower.
609
00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:26,185
One adult with Jaryd's sister
and Jaryd,
610
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,921
seemed to be out ahead
of everybody else.
611
00:31:29,956 --> 00:31:32,458
As Jaryd,
as a three-year-old,
612
00:31:32,491 --> 00:31:35,461
is running and playing
and having a good time.
613
00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:38,030
And I believe
there was something
614
00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:40,732
ten to twenty minutes
worth of time
615
00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:43,602
that she lost track...
616
00:31:43,635 --> 00:31:47,173
The adult realized, "I haven't
seen him for a while."
617
00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:49,741
And when they went up
to try to find him,
618
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:51,944
they kept going thinking
they would catch up,
619
00:31:51,978 --> 00:31:53,379
and they didn't catch up.
620
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:56,782
It was reported that he
spoke to some fishermen.
621
00:31:56,815 --> 00:32:00,919
And he asked if
there were bears around.
622
00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:03,322
And he's alone at this
point in time.
623
00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:10,462
At least they have an idea,
you know, roughly
624
00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:12,198
where he was last seen.
625
00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:21,240
I myself was cleaning
some things,
626
00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:25,477
and decided to sit down
and watch a football game.
627
00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:28,147
And I must have been watching
for maybe 15 or 20 minutes,
628
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:29,681
and I slowly nodded off.
629
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:36,888
[woman] Something is wrong.
630
00:32:36,922 --> 00:32:39,158
[Allyn] And they're like,
"Allyn, we have to
talk to you."
631
00:32:39,191 --> 00:32:42,761
"Sure. What's going on?"
And they said,
632
00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:45,364
"We had a problem
with Jaryd."
633
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:48,434
"What happened? Did he fall?
Did he scrape his knee?
634
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,769
Did he break his arm?
What happened?"
635
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,738
And what they actually
said to me was,
636
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:57,243
"He's okay.
We just can't find him."
637
00:32:57,276 --> 00:33:00,846
At that moment, I realized
I had to go up the road.
638
00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:03,249
We got in our cars.
I was in my truck.
639
00:33:03,282 --> 00:33:05,117
And I'm like, "Well,
where are we going?"
640
00:33:05,151 --> 00:33:07,386
They said it's about...
I can't remember.
641
00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:09,621
Sixteen, fifteen, sixteen
miles up the road.
642
00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:11,890
I'm like, "Are you serious?"
643
00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,726
How'd you guys get that
far up the road?
644
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,031
And the entire way
up the road,
645
00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:20,632
I just kept beating myself
on the chest,
646
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:22,534
like someone had stabbed
me with a sword.
647
00:33:22,568 --> 00:33:25,137
Just beating my chest
and yelling.
648
00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:26,738
Dad's sorry, little man.
649
00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:28,006
Just yelling Jaryd's name.
650
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,675
Sorry I let you go...
651
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,411
Yelling for God
to help me.
652
00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:34,012
Please help me find
my son, Lord.
653
00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:35,114
Just yelling and screaming.
654
00:33:35,147 --> 00:33:36,615
I yelled and screamed
in my truck
655
00:33:36,648 --> 00:33:38,384
all the way up the road.
656
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:40,419
I don't even know how
I got there.
657
00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:43,021
I drove that road
probably twice as fast
658
00:33:43,055 --> 00:33:45,291
as anyone should even
drive that road.
659
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:52,030
Jaryd!
660
00:33:57,803 --> 00:33:59,405
Jaryd!
661
00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:04,543
And as I ran up that trail,
662
00:34:04,576 --> 00:34:07,012
I yelled and yelled,
and screamed his name,
663
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,247
screamed, "Jaryd."
664
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,048
Screamed "Jay-Rod."
I called him Jay-Rod.
665
00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:11,450
I called him "my little man."
666
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:14,253
I called every name
I could,
667
00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:17,556
trying to get a response
from him.
668
00:34:19,791 --> 00:34:21,227
And I listened.
669
00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:36,742
And I'm not sure exactly
how far we got up on the trail,
670
00:34:36,775 --> 00:34:40,179
but I stopped and I realized,
"Oh, my God.
This is gonna be...
671
00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:42,080
This is not what
I thought it was.
672
00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:43,782
I just can't get up here
and find him."
673
00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:55,594
[Bill] We worked for
solid eight days
to begin with.
674
00:34:55,627 --> 00:34:59,831
And that was 24 hours a day
for eight days.
675
00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,834
We're gonna keep
visual contact at all time.
676
00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:05,471
We did some night searching.
677
00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:07,306
It was limited
to a certain extent,
678
00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:10,942
but we did always have
people out in the field
679
00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:12,511
to make noise,
680
00:35:12,544 --> 00:35:14,346
so if somebody was
out there now,
681
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:16,815
Jaryd would have heard it,
he would have maybe
682
00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:19,485
responded or went to.
683
00:35:19,518 --> 00:35:24,089
[Jayne] It was very intense.
Very media friendly.
684
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,091
I mean,
there was media, CNN...
685
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:29,461
So it became a real
nationwide episode.
686
00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:33,532
So, that put a lot of stress
on us and a lot of stress
on the dogs.
687
00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:43,675
It was a situation to where...
688
00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:48,113
people lost hope.
689
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,582
Like, we're not gonna
find him, you know.
690
00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:53,252
This is one of those situations
where he disappeared.
691
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:02,160
We had hiked the area
couple of times before,
692
00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:04,796
and we had talked about
693
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:06,498
the mystery of Jaryd Atadero.
694
00:36:06,532 --> 00:36:08,234
Whether he had been
swept downstream,
695
00:36:08,267 --> 00:36:11,270
abducted by a mountain lion,
696
00:36:11,303 --> 00:36:14,306
or of there had been something
more sinister than that.
697
00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:16,942
This time, we decided
to go off trail.
698
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:19,778
And we just walked
right into it.
699
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:22,748
And we knew right away
700
00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:26,285
that it was probably
Jaryd Atadero's clothes.
701
00:36:32,458 --> 00:36:34,560
[interviewer speaking]
702
00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:38,897
Not...
Boy, that's a hard one.
703
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:40,232
No way. No way.
704
00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:41,867
-I...
-Absolutely no way.
705
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,303
Not all the way.
I couldn't see him going...
706
00:36:44,336 --> 00:36:47,439
He lived in a cabin--
707
00:36:47,473 --> 00:36:49,140
He's a three-year-old.
There's no way...
708
00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:51,310
There's no way
that would happen.
709
00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:54,446
Yeah. I mean, it was a struggle
for Gary and I to get there.
710
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,814
Very rough terrain.
711
00:37:02,988 --> 00:37:06,392
[wind howling]
712
00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:30,282
[Bill]
There were K-9 alerts
713
00:37:30,316 --> 00:37:32,284
that would go
that direction.
714
00:37:32,318 --> 00:37:34,820
Now, whether they were right
at the scree field,
715
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:38,857
or before it, but they were
at least alerting up that hill.
716
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:41,493
That's why I'm reasonably
certain we searched it,
717
00:37:41,527 --> 00:37:44,863
because we...
When a dog alerts like that,
718
00:37:44,896 --> 00:37:46,832
we're thinking, "Okay,
something must be up there.
719
00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:49,368
Let's get up there
and search for it."
720
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,670
But we never
found anything.
721
00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:55,474
I think whatever's happening is
beyond our understanding.
722
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:58,844
In a lot of these cases,
723
00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:01,813
Search and Rescue,
or the volunteer
searching people
724
00:38:01,847 --> 00:38:03,815
have already gone
over certain areas,
725
00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:07,152
not once, not twice,
but even dozens of times.
726
00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:10,389
And then,
the child is found there
727
00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,591
maybe a year,
maybe a few years later.
728
00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:17,529
[Rob] When we had
discovered the clothes
729
00:38:17,563 --> 00:38:18,797
and went back up there,
730
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,299
with some of the people
involved in the search,
731
00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:22,801
you know, they were all
scratching their heads.
732
00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:25,036
Like, you know, they had
all been around
733
00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:26,838
the area.
734
00:38:26,872 --> 00:38:30,509
My conclusion was
an animal encounter
735
00:38:31,209 --> 00:38:32,444
right at the beginning.
736
00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:36,582
And so, I'm not sure
officially
737
00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:40,386
what has really been
released as a finality,
738
00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:44,456
but it pretty much points
to an animal encounter.
739
00:38:45,223 --> 00:38:46,925
If a cat actually took him,
740
00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:50,195
which is what I believe,
I believe happened.
741
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,831
The cat would have taken
him some place
742
00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,400
and buried him, and...
743
00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:56,502
With all of the activity
that was going on.
744
00:38:56,535 --> 00:38:58,437
It probably would
have left,
745
00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:00,205
because we would have
scared it away,
746
00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:02,073
and it would have
came back later.
747
00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:07,446
[Allyn] I hear constantly
about a mountain lion.
748
00:39:07,479 --> 00:39:11,817
Yet, when they tested
Jaryd's clothing,
749
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:13,452
there was
no mountain lion hairs,
750
00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:17,022
no DNA, no blood,
nothing on his clothing.
751
00:39:17,055 --> 00:39:20,225
This is actually what's
left of the cranium
752
00:39:20,258 --> 00:39:21,893
after four different DNA tests.
753
00:39:24,229 --> 00:39:26,297
To think that I...
754
00:39:26,331 --> 00:39:28,767
I mean, I have a hard time
comprehending this.
755
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,503
But to think I'm actually
sitting here
holding my son...
756
00:39:32,804 --> 00:39:34,940
This is what I have
left of him.
757
00:39:37,843 --> 00:39:40,278
The clothing was sent
to the CBI.
758
00:39:40,311 --> 00:39:42,113
The clothing was
tested by the CBI.
759
00:39:42,147 --> 00:39:44,583
No mountain lion hairs,
760
00:39:44,616 --> 00:39:47,786
no blood, nothing on any
of the articles of clothing.
761
00:39:51,423 --> 00:39:54,159
If a mountain lion
would have attacked him,
762
00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:55,794
they go for the stomach area.
763
00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:57,829
This jacket would
have been in shreds.
764
00:39:57,863 --> 00:39:59,297
I've been told
by several people,
765
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:00,932
mountain lion experts
in the woods,
766
00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:04,269
this jacket would not have
survived a mountain lion
attack, period.
767
00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:05,837
These are the actual shoes.
768
00:40:05,871 --> 00:40:08,440
These are Jaryd's shoes
that were found
up on the mountain.
769
00:40:08,474 --> 00:40:10,075
I've been told by experts
770
00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:12,177
that they do not look like
they've been
in the wilderness
771
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:13,545
for three-and-a-half years.
772
00:40:13,579 --> 00:40:16,948
The other thing that's
interesting about the shoes
773
00:40:16,982 --> 00:40:19,017
is you would think
774
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:22,554
that if a mountain lion
were dragging his body
775
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:24,523
up a mountain,
776
00:40:24,556 --> 00:40:26,357
and dragging him like this,
777
00:40:26,391 --> 00:40:28,393
you would see marks
on his shoes.
778
00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:30,562
And there are no marks here.
779
00:40:30,596 --> 00:40:33,899
You would think if he was
dragging him this way
780
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:35,333
up the mountain,
781
00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:36,868
not only would you
see marks,
782
00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:39,571
but it would have pulled
his shoes off way before
783
00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:41,372
the area where they found him.
784
00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:43,809
Jaryd's pants were
found inside out.
785
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:46,578
When people first see this,
786
00:40:46,612 --> 00:40:49,347
they get terrified, and go,
"Oh, my gosh!
787
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:51,550
What could have
happened to him?"
788
00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:54,486
There were birds
and rodents and stuff
789
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,887
literally pulling it apart,
790
00:40:55,921 --> 00:40:58,790
using the material
as nesting.
791
00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:00,592
So you see
this material everywhere.
792
00:41:00,626 --> 00:41:02,728
So it's not because
something attacked him
793
00:41:02,761 --> 00:41:04,362
and ripped his leg off.
794
00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:08,466
This is all due to
rodents and birds.
795
00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:13,705
We were relieve in one sense,
796
00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:15,774
that the mystery had
been solved.
797
00:41:16,341 --> 00:41:17,943
My sense of it is that
798
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:22,047
Jaryd was abducted
in the boulder field
799
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,448
by the mountain lion.
800
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,484
The mountain lion
grabbed him by his shoulder,
801
00:41:26,518 --> 00:41:30,455
and went straight up
the side of this mountain.
802
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,190
In one of the reports,
803
00:41:32,223 --> 00:41:34,025
a person says,
804
00:41:34,059 --> 00:41:36,562
"The reason why we didn't find
any DNA or blood
805
00:41:36,595 --> 00:41:38,063
or anything
on Jaryd's clothing,
806
00:41:38,096 --> 00:41:41,499
is because either he
or something removed
his clothing
807
00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:43,569
before he was attacked."
808
00:41:45,604 --> 00:41:49,641
Either Jaryd or something
removed his clothing
before he was attacked.
809
00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:52,544
And they go on to say that
810
00:41:52,578 --> 00:41:54,580
"Because there are so many
hikers coming up,
811
00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:58,617
that the mountain lion took
Jaryd's body 500 feet
up the side of the cliff."
812
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:00,151
Well, wait a second.
813
00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:01,419
I can buy all that.
814
00:42:01,452 --> 00:42:03,188
But I can't buy this.
815
00:42:03,221 --> 00:42:07,425
If something or someone took
Jaryd's clothing off
before he was attacked,
816
00:42:07,458 --> 00:42:10,562
that means his clothing
wasn't with him
817
00:42:10,596 --> 00:42:12,664
when this thing carried
him up the mountain.
818
00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:16,602
Jaryd's pants were
found inside out.
819
00:42:17,435 --> 00:42:19,237
Told by many
mountain lion experts,
820
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:22,340
mountain lions don't pull
clothing off of you,
821
00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:24,442
especially your pants
and leave them there
on the mountain
822
00:42:24,475 --> 00:42:25,744
inside out.
823
00:42:26,511 --> 00:42:28,079
There's just too much...
824
00:42:28,113 --> 00:42:31,282
There are too many questions
that don't have answers.
825
00:42:31,316 --> 00:42:33,952
And I feel strongly, my family
and I feel strongly
826
00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:35,921
that there is someone
out there
827
00:42:35,954 --> 00:42:37,956
who knows a little bit
more than we know.
828
00:42:50,669 --> 00:42:52,804
[man 1] You know, when I
get questioned about this
829
00:42:52,838 --> 00:42:54,906
from people who've heard
our interviews,
830
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:56,708
people will stick to that
831
00:42:56,742 --> 00:42:58,309
it's a bear,
it's a mountain lion,
832
00:42:58,343 --> 00:42:59,678
it's some kind of an animal.
833
00:42:59,711 --> 00:43:01,446
But I mean, they leave clues,
there's evidence.
834
00:43:01,479 --> 00:43:02,948
There's blood,
there's tissue,
835
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:05,550
there's indications of
a struggle, right?
836
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:06,985
[man 2] Oh, absolutely.
837
00:43:07,018 --> 00:43:09,554
And when the trackers come in
with search and rescue,
838
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,289
they're looking for
those indicators.
839
00:43:11,322 --> 00:43:14,259
There's gonna be a massive
scene there of blood,
840
00:43:14,292 --> 00:43:16,695
hair, drag marks and things,
841
00:43:16,728 --> 00:43:19,130
as the animal would be
taking you away.
842
00:43:19,164 --> 00:43:21,099
That's one of the points
that we vet
843
00:43:21,132 --> 00:43:23,301
before we even look into
one of these cases.
844
00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:25,804
And in the last 100 years,
845
00:43:25,837 --> 00:43:28,907
there's only been 14 fatal
mountain lion attacks
846
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:31,042
in the United States
and Canada.
847
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:43,388
[interviewer speaking]
848
00:43:45,991 --> 00:43:47,926
[Robert] Idaho Falls, Idaho,
849
00:43:49,194 --> 00:43:51,229
and Robert C. Walton.
850
00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:56,201
[interviewer speaking]
851
00:43:57,502 --> 00:43:59,705
[Robert] I didn't play
with him much.
852
00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:01,873
He was just getting to
the point where he
853
00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:05,110
could do something,
you know.
854
00:44:05,143 --> 00:44:09,080
He was over here quite a bit
with Jessica.
855
00:44:09,114 --> 00:44:11,683
And he'd come over here
and bum candy off me.
856
00:44:14,619 --> 00:44:16,221
[interviewer speaking]
857
00:44:20,792 --> 00:44:22,427
[Robert] Well...
[clears throat]
858
00:44:24,229 --> 00:44:25,430
Sure. I think a little.
859
00:44:26,464 --> 00:44:28,066
But...
860
00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:31,903
I think
everybody who was there
has a little guilt about it.
861
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:33,805
You know?
862
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:35,206
DeOrr and Jessica
say that
863
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,809
they decided to go
camping that weekend
864
00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:40,578
to kind of relive
865
00:44:40,611 --> 00:44:43,548
good memories for
Grandpa Bob Walton.
866
00:44:43,581 --> 00:44:46,684
This was apparently a spot
that in his earlier years
867
00:44:46,718 --> 00:44:49,220
Bob Walton had gone to
several times.
868
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:53,091
Grandpa is on oxygen.
869
00:44:53,124 --> 00:44:55,794
Some have said,
has some memory issues.
870
00:44:55,827 --> 00:44:57,829
Law enforcement,
since day one,
871
00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,998
have continually
ruled out Grandpa,
872
00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:02,033
because of his health issues,
873
00:45:02,067 --> 00:45:05,636
and they don't think he was
in the right frame of mind
874
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:07,638
to do anything like this.
875
00:45:07,672 --> 00:45:09,474
With my dad being ill,
876
00:45:09,507 --> 00:45:11,642
I asked Jessica
to go up there,
877
00:45:11,676 --> 00:45:15,646
to be with him in the event
that something happened
to my father
878
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,115
that she could
take care of him.
879
00:45:17,148 --> 00:45:18,683
I don't know Bob,
880
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:20,852
and I've never met Issac.
881
00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:25,656
But being the only
other two people there,
882
00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:28,059
other than Jessica
and DeOrr...
883
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:30,061
If he was taken
from that campground,
884
00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:31,930
they have to be
involved somehow.
885
00:45:31,963 --> 00:45:33,932
Since DeOrr Kunz
disappeared,
886
00:45:33,965 --> 00:45:37,435
many have had questions
about the friend who was
with the family
887
00:45:37,468 --> 00:45:38,970
that day at the campsite.
888
00:45:39,004 --> 00:45:41,572
His name is Issac Reinwand.
889
00:45:41,606 --> 00:45:43,674
So we went to his
Idaho Falls house
890
00:45:43,708 --> 00:45:46,311
over and over...
891
00:45:46,344 --> 00:45:47,412
Hello.
892
00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:48,513
...and over again.
893
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:51,449
Finally,
early Monday morning,
894
00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:52,717
he answered the door.
895
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:54,719
I'm Nate Eaton with
East Idaho News.
896
00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:56,822
Yeah, I don't have any
questions, I'm sorry.
897
00:45:56,855 --> 00:45:58,156
You don't have anything
you wanna say?
898
00:45:58,189 --> 00:45:59,791
All right.
Sorry to wake you up.
899
00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:02,593
We just wanna see
if you have anything to say
about DeOrr missing.
900
00:46:02,627 --> 00:46:04,262
-I don't.
-You don't?
901
00:46:04,295 --> 00:46:05,696
I have no comment.
902
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:08,266
So he was just with you
and the grandfather
when he wandered away?
903
00:46:08,299 --> 00:46:09,367
Mm-hmm.
904
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,469
And then, you guys thought
he was with the parents?
905
00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:14,739
Yeah.
906
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,507
And the parents came back
and he was gone?
907
00:46:17,675 --> 00:46:19,077
Mm-hmm.
908
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:21,212
Okay, listen. I don't have...
I don't... I can't...
909
00:46:21,246 --> 00:46:23,714
I don't wanna answer
anymore questions or anything.
910
00:46:23,748 --> 00:46:25,150
Thank you, sir.
911
00:46:25,183 --> 00:46:27,385
Strange thing about Issac,
he never searched for the boy.
912
00:46:27,418 --> 00:46:29,354
I interviewed Issac.
913
00:46:29,387 --> 00:46:31,322
He's a strange duck.
914
00:46:31,356 --> 00:46:36,161
And he does have a prior
conviction of a sex crime.
915
00:46:36,194 --> 00:46:39,364
[coughs] It was reduced to
a felony and a misdemeanor.
916
00:46:39,397 --> 00:46:41,132
And the strange thing
917
00:46:41,166 --> 00:46:44,735
is the morning after
the little boy was missing,
918
00:46:44,769 --> 00:46:46,371
he got up and said to
several people,
919
00:46:46,404 --> 00:46:49,140
"It's the best night's rest
I had in a long time."
920
00:46:49,174 --> 00:46:52,310
The parents told me that
they had never met Issac
921
00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,112
until this camping trip.
922
00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:56,781
That Grandpa said,
"Oh, I'm gonna
bring along a friend.
923
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,783
We're gonna fish together.
924
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:01,019
We'll have a fun weekend
away together."
925
00:47:01,052 --> 00:47:02,988
And the parents were
okay with that.
926
00:47:03,889 --> 00:47:05,790
[interviewer speaking]
927
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:07,058
Bob Walton?
928
00:47:07,092 --> 00:47:08,426
That's one of my
good friends that I met him
929
00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:11,296
when I lived over on
Chamberlain Avenue.
930
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:14,099
I've known him for about
five years or so.
931
00:47:14,132 --> 00:47:16,434
He's always tried to
help me out.
932
00:47:16,467 --> 00:47:20,205
And I have done work
for him in his yard.
933
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:24,309
He's always taking me on
fishing trips every year, so...
934
00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:26,744
I decided I wanted to
go this year, too,
935
00:47:26,777 --> 00:47:28,213
because, you know,
it's fun.
936
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:34,319
It was nice and clear.
937
00:47:34,352 --> 00:47:35,553
Hot...
938
00:47:35,586 --> 00:47:39,024
I don't know. It was noisy
'cause of the creek.
939
00:47:40,058 --> 00:47:41,960
But other than that,
it was a wonderful day.
940
00:47:41,993 --> 00:47:44,529
There wasn't really
a cloud in the sky.
941
00:47:44,562 --> 00:47:47,065
[interviewer speaking]
942
00:47:49,567 --> 00:47:52,537
[Robert] Not too much.
Only that I was fishing
943
00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:54,639
and Issac was watching me,
944
00:47:54,672 --> 00:47:57,976
and he got all excited after
I'd caught a couple.
945
00:47:58,009 --> 00:47:59,978
He was gonna get
his pole out.
946
00:48:00,011 --> 00:48:02,413
I think we caught
four or five.
947
00:48:02,447 --> 00:48:05,750
About that time, here come
Jess and DeOrr back.
948
00:48:05,783 --> 00:48:09,220
I don't know. I think it
was about noon,
maybe a little after.
949
00:48:09,254 --> 00:48:12,690
They had to go down to
get some gas for the truck.
950
00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:14,125
And they came back.
951
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:17,462
[Robert] So Issac and
Jessica and DeOrr was...
952
00:48:18,796 --> 00:48:20,898
went to look for fish.
953
00:48:21,699 --> 00:48:23,468
And the kid was
there with me,
954
00:48:23,501 --> 00:48:26,171
but I turned my head
for a minute, I don't know
955
00:48:26,204 --> 00:48:29,674
for how long, five or ten
minutes, I don't know.
956
00:48:29,707 --> 00:48:32,543
[Frank]
The grandfather claims he
didn't go inside his trailer.
957
00:48:33,178 --> 00:48:34,279
But I believe he did.
958
00:48:34,312 --> 00:48:36,347
I believe he did
go inside the trailer.
959
00:48:36,381 --> 00:48:38,183
I showed them
a couple of fishing holes.
960
00:48:38,216 --> 00:48:40,418
I was going down
to another fishing hole.
961
00:48:40,451 --> 00:48:44,222
I was probably down there
half an hour, an hour, and...
962
00:48:44,255 --> 00:48:47,625
I looked to the right where
they were fishing.
963
00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:50,528
And I noticed their
fishing poles laying there
on the ground,
964
00:48:50,561 --> 00:48:51,896
and they weren't there.
965
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,332
[Robert] And then
here come DeOrr.
966
00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:56,667
What were his words?
"Little DeOrr?"
967
00:48:56,701 --> 00:48:59,337
And I said,
"He's right there."
You know.
968
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:03,174
And then, I see my friend Bob
upon the ridge
969
00:49:03,208 --> 00:49:05,810
and I walked up to him
and asked him what was
going on.
970
00:49:05,843 --> 00:49:07,878
And he said,
"DeOrr is missing."
971
00:49:07,912 --> 00:49:10,015
So we all started
looking for him.
972
00:49:10,048 --> 00:49:12,617
[interviewer speaking]
973
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:14,485
[Robert] No.
974
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,687
No, I was the last one
to see the kid.
975
00:49:16,721 --> 00:49:21,059
And it wasn't that much...
Five-ten minutes.
976
00:49:21,092 --> 00:49:23,361
They was looking for him
themselves.
977
00:49:23,394 --> 00:49:25,696
Everyone's gonna have
to have someone
to blame here.
978
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:27,565
You know, and unfortunately
979
00:49:27,598 --> 00:49:31,336
the last person to see him
is gonna be the one that has
the blame, you know.
980
00:49:31,369 --> 00:49:34,872
I mean, there was four people
in that campground that day.
981
00:49:34,905 --> 00:49:37,542
If everyone was that
worried about it,
982
00:49:37,575 --> 00:49:40,078
the baby should have went
with the parents.
983
00:49:40,111 --> 00:49:42,713
He chose not to, 'cause
he wanted to stay with my dad.
984
00:49:42,747 --> 00:49:44,249
He wanted candy.
985
00:49:44,282 --> 00:49:46,984
This is the campsite
where DeOrr and his family
were camping.
986
00:49:47,018 --> 00:49:48,153
It looks like
your average campsite.
987
00:49:48,186 --> 00:49:50,555
You've got a fire pit,
a picnic table...
988
00:49:50,588 --> 00:49:53,791
Very close to the creek we
have heard so much about.
989
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:55,993
In fact, the creek
is just here,
990
00:49:56,027 --> 00:49:57,395
a few yards away.
991
00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:59,497
Notice the terrain
down to the water.
992
00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:00,831
It's very steep.
993
00:50:00,865 --> 00:50:03,201
[interviewer speaking]
994
00:50:03,234 --> 00:50:05,570
[Robert] I don't...
[chuckles]
995
00:50:05,603 --> 00:50:08,673
I really don't know what
happened to little DeOrr.
996
00:50:08,706 --> 00:50:10,208
In my heart or nothing else.
997
00:50:10,241 --> 00:50:12,710
[interviewer speaking]
998
00:50:12,743 --> 00:50:14,045
[Robert chuckles]
999
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,181
[Robert] No, I don't.
1000
00:50:17,582 --> 00:50:20,085
I don't.
1001
00:50:20,118 --> 00:50:23,288
I really don't know what
happened to the kid.
1002
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:27,225
I don't know how much
more you need.
1003
00:50:27,258 --> 00:50:29,194
It would be nice
to get him back.
1004
00:50:29,227 --> 00:50:31,562
That's the only thing
that I can say.
1005
00:50:33,731 --> 00:50:37,835
We stayed up there until
about, you know, the...
1006
00:50:37,868 --> 00:50:39,337
the Red Cross left.
1007
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:43,408
Till law enforcement told us
we could go home, so...
1008
00:50:45,443 --> 00:50:47,078
[Nate]
And just coincidentally,
1009
00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:49,080
above where
DeOrr disappeared,
1010
00:50:49,114 --> 00:50:50,181
above that campsite,
1011
00:50:50,215 --> 00:50:52,183
there is a large boulder field
1012
00:50:52,217 --> 00:50:55,086
extending an
extraordinary distance.
1013
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,921
And that would be
one of those area
1014
00:50:56,954 --> 00:50:58,789
that I'd give
an intense look at.
1015
00:51:03,328 --> 00:51:05,263
[man] According to
Oregon State Police,
1016
00:51:05,296 --> 00:51:09,033
there are 41 missing children
in Oregon.
1017
00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:11,402
One of them is Samuel Boehlke.
1018
00:51:11,436 --> 00:51:13,438
He was eight-years-old
when he vanished
1019
00:51:13,471 --> 00:51:15,840
at Crater Lake
six-and-a-half years ago.
1020
00:51:27,618 --> 00:51:31,156
[Tim] Crater Lake is
a magnificent place.
1021
00:51:31,189 --> 00:51:33,023
The first time
somebody sees it
1022
00:51:33,057 --> 00:51:35,226
and the 100th time
somebody sees it,
1023
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:37,262
you say, "Wow."
1024
00:51:40,165 --> 00:51:42,233
It is a top of a mountain.
1025
00:51:42,267 --> 00:51:46,404
It was blown off thousands
of years ago,
1026
00:51:47,272 --> 00:51:48,973
It was a volcano caldera
1027
00:51:49,006 --> 00:51:50,575
that filled up with water.
1028
00:51:50,608 --> 00:51:55,213
The water is
the most incredible blue
that you can imagine.
1029
00:51:55,246 --> 00:51:56,814
[Lyle]
Knock out beautiful.
1030
00:51:56,847 --> 00:51:59,284
I've been there
dozens of times.
1031
00:51:59,317 --> 00:52:00,718
Maybe a hundred times.
1032
00:52:02,253 --> 00:52:04,489
It's one of the most
foreign places
1033
00:52:04,522 --> 00:52:07,057
that you can really
imagine on Earth.
1034
00:52:07,091 --> 00:52:08,559
Every trip that
I've gone there,
1035
00:52:08,593 --> 00:52:11,462
it's also a different
kind of a mood.
1036
00:52:18,203 --> 00:52:20,070
Three, two, one.
1037
00:52:20,104 --> 00:52:23,908
The best news about today's
search and rescue effort is
that the weather...
1038
00:52:23,941 --> 00:52:25,343
As a news guy,
1039
00:52:25,376 --> 00:52:28,246
this was a story that
was equally frustrating.
1040
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,183
Some of them just start off bad
and they get worse.
1041
00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:37,087
The way I understand Sammy's
disappearance is that he was
1042
00:52:37,121 --> 00:52:39,156
visiting Crater Lake
with his dad.
1043
00:52:40,358 --> 00:52:43,728
Staying at
Diamond Lake Resort.
1044
00:52:45,296 --> 00:52:48,733
He's got some
developmental problems.
1045
00:52:48,766 --> 00:52:49,834
Maybe some, uh...
1046
00:52:51,035 --> 00:52:53,904
Some form of
autism on a scale.
1047
00:52:53,938 --> 00:52:55,706
While he is at Crater Lake,
1048
00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,611
they are near what's called
the Cleetwood Cove overlook.
1049
00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:04,382
They got about quarter mile
to the east
1050
00:53:04,415 --> 00:53:06,150
of Cleetwood Cove Trail.
1051
00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:09,754
And they parked, and he
kind of went running off.
1052
00:53:09,787 --> 00:53:13,057
At some point
Sammy crosses the road,
and he's up this
1053
00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:17,127
a scree hill of kind of
some rock cutout where
the road is there.
1054
00:53:17,161 --> 00:53:18,696
And there was
a cyclist riding by
1055
00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:20,831
that had stopped to
take a photo.
1056
00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:22,300
And Sammy was getting ready,
1057
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,835
or looked like he was gonna
throw a rock at the cyclist,
1058
00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,504
and the cyclist cautioned him.
1059
00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:29,173
And dad was yelling for
Sammy to come back.
1060
00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:33,110
And whether Sammy was
just being a boy,
1061
00:53:33,143 --> 00:53:37,882
or if there was something to
do with his condition also...
1062
00:53:37,915 --> 00:53:40,050
He ran the other direction.
1063
00:53:40,084 --> 00:53:42,152
His dad ran up the hill
after him,
1064
00:53:42,186 --> 00:53:43,921
and he had vanished.
1065
00:53:52,597 --> 00:53:55,300
It gets very, very cold
at Crater Lake
1066
00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:56,701
this time of the year.
1067
00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:59,470
I mean, it easily gets down
below freezing at night.
1068
00:53:59,504 --> 00:54:04,342
And so, time was really
of the essence.
1069
00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:07,645
So, beginning at about
six o'clock, Saturday night,
1070
00:54:07,678 --> 00:54:11,482
we started putting
searchers into the field.
1071
00:54:12,783 --> 00:54:17,254
That first night we had up to
about 25 searchers.
1072
00:54:17,288 --> 00:54:21,426
A combination
of foot searchers,
1073
00:54:21,459 --> 00:54:24,429
search dogs
and tracking teams.
1074
00:54:24,462 --> 00:54:26,564
That's what we're basing
this entire search on.
1075
00:54:26,597 --> 00:54:30,868
We're searching for a live
Sammy Boehlke.
1076
00:54:30,901 --> 00:54:35,306
Perhaps burrowed in
under some thick vegetation,
1077
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:36,941
or from a rock overhang.
1078
00:54:39,076 --> 00:54:43,814
We were really involved the next
day after Sammy went missing.
1079
00:54:43,848 --> 00:54:46,651
I remember it being
a difficult search
because of weather.
1080
00:54:46,684 --> 00:54:50,287
Two feet of snow came in
the next day.
1081
00:54:50,321 --> 00:54:54,625
And the park, I think, was
overwhelmed with
1082
00:54:54,659 --> 00:54:56,527
the people
starting to come in.
1083
00:54:56,561 --> 00:54:57,928
They set up staging area,
1084
00:54:57,962 --> 00:55:00,297
and now they've got all
of this assistance coming
1085
00:55:00,331 --> 00:55:01,966
to try to help and look.
1086
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:05,870
[man] We did a limited
helicopter search
1087
00:55:05,903 --> 00:55:07,505
on Saturday morning.
1088
00:55:07,538 --> 00:55:11,075
And unfortunately, the weather
has been conspiring against us.
1089
00:55:11,108 --> 00:55:14,512
And after about
six short passes
1090
00:55:14,545 --> 00:55:17,515
over the search area,
the weather socked in,
1091
00:55:17,548 --> 00:55:20,451
the clouds came in,
the rains started.
1092
00:55:20,485 --> 00:55:23,053
And we weren't able to
fly anymore that day.
1093
00:55:23,087 --> 00:55:25,656
[Lyle] I believe the number
that comes to mind
1094
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:27,925
was they had 174 people
up there
1095
00:55:27,958 --> 00:55:30,094
from different search
and rescue agencies.
1096
00:55:30,127 --> 00:55:34,365
That included search
and rescue units from
neighboring counties.
1097
00:55:34,399 --> 00:55:37,067
Helicopters, search dogs...
1098
00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:42,206
The term we use
is "last seen point",
1099
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,274
and that's our reference spot
1100
00:55:44,308 --> 00:55:47,111
usually from where we start
our search.
1101
00:55:47,144 --> 00:55:49,714
Well, this is the area where
1102
00:55:49,747 --> 00:55:52,917
Sammy was last seen
on Saturday.
1103
00:55:54,018 --> 00:55:56,086
The ridge behind me
1104
00:55:57,755 --> 00:56:00,290
with the kind of dirt slope
at the top of that ridge
1105
00:56:00,324 --> 00:56:04,595
was where Sammy was
last seen by his father.
1106
00:56:11,168 --> 00:56:14,304
[man] It appears that
a National Park is
within a county,
1107
00:56:14,338 --> 00:56:17,508
it really is its very own
sovereign place.
1108
00:56:17,542 --> 00:56:20,344
And so,
we received a phone call
1109
00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:22,680
that there was
a missing child there.
1110
00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:27,718
And we were very anxious
to send searchers.
1111
00:56:27,752 --> 00:56:30,788
We were wanting to send
investigators.
1112
00:56:30,821 --> 00:56:34,759
And the parks often used
their own staff,
1113
00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,861
uh, initially.
1114
00:56:38,696 --> 00:56:41,632
They are sometimes
an island unto themselves
1115
00:56:41,666 --> 00:56:44,569
that it's somewhat
exclusive jurisdiction.
1116
00:56:47,572 --> 00:56:50,975
We are over 400 National
Parks in the United States,
1117
00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:54,411
which is something that
we're very proud of.
1118
00:56:58,449 --> 00:57:02,920
The National Park Service
is a unit within
the Department of the Interior.
1119
00:57:02,953 --> 00:57:06,290
And within
the National Park Service,
1120
00:57:06,323 --> 00:57:07,858
there's a Director
of the National Parks,
1121
00:57:07,892 --> 00:57:10,227
and the headquarter is
in Washington DC.
1122
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:13,363
And then there are regions
throughout the United States
1123
00:57:13,397 --> 00:57:16,133
where they have
responsibility over
1124
00:57:16,166 --> 00:57:17,568
a certain number
of the parks.
1125
00:57:17,602 --> 00:57:20,471
[Interviewer speaking]
1126
00:57:23,908 --> 00:57:26,410
I don't recall.
I would have...
1127
00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:28,679
I would have
regular briefings
1128
00:57:28,713 --> 00:57:30,548
on different things
that were going on.
1129
00:57:30,581 --> 00:57:34,552
There were significant
national crisis
1130
00:57:34,585 --> 00:57:37,387
where the Secretary of Interior
should know.
1131
00:57:37,421 --> 00:57:39,924
There's a whole agency
of 23,000 people
1132
00:57:39,957 --> 00:57:42,392
that were more involved in
the day to day activity
1133
00:57:42,426 --> 00:57:43,894
of any given person,
1134
00:57:43,928 --> 00:57:46,531
any given incident,
or any given park.
1135
00:57:49,066 --> 00:57:52,369
As somebody who's been
an avidly outdoor person
1136
00:57:52,402 --> 00:57:53,871
all my life,
1137
00:57:53,904 --> 00:57:56,907
it just is unthinkable to me
that there's no accountability
1138
00:57:56,941 --> 00:57:57,975
from our government,
1139
00:57:58,008 --> 00:57:59,744
when it's easy
to be accountable,
1140
00:57:59,777 --> 00:58:01,779
especially in this
day and age of technology.
1141
00:58:07,585 --> 00:58:09,253
Sometimes records
are kept,
1142
00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:11,656
and sometimes records
are not kept.
1143
00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:14,692
There's no requirement for
the Federal Government to
1144
00:58:14,725 --> 00:58:16,694
keep records of people
who go missing
1145
00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,162
on Federal lands.
1146
00:58:21,566 --> 00:58:22,933
[man] Thank you.
1147
00:58:22,967 --> 00:58:24,368
[Jennings]
In today's day and age,
1148
00:58:24,401 --> 00:58:27,738
we should be collecting
as much information
as we can,
1149
00:58:27,772 --> 00:58:30,741
and putting it in a database
that's open,
1150
00:58:30,775 --> 00:58:33,711
that's not guarded
by anyone.
1151
00:58:33,744 --> 00:58:37,748
If we want to help find
the next lost person,
1152
00:58:37,782 --> 00:58:41,819
we can learn a lot by what
went right
in that previous search,
1153
00:58:41,852 --> 00:58:43,588
what went wrong
in that previous search.
1154
00:58:43,621 --> 00:58:44,989
What would they have
done differently.
1155
00:58:45,022 --> 00:58:47,592
A good record keeping
of a search,
1156
00:58:47,625 --> 00:58:49,326
whether it was successful
or not,
1157
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:50,995
needs to be on hand,
1158
00:58:51,028 --> 00:58:53,698
so that the next time
we go there,
1159
00:58:53,731 --> 00:58:57,467
the search leader can make
informed decisions
1160
00:58:57,501 --> 00:59:00,037
and use resources very wisely.
1161
00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:01,972
In the work I do
with missing airplanes,
1162
00:59:02,006 --> 00:59:04,875
we're always trying to look
at that missing airplane list.
1163
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:07,912
When I was sheriff
of Klamath County,
1164
00:59:07,945 --> 00:59:11,215
I could get my hands on
a list of missing people
1165
00:59:11,248 --> 00:59:13,083
in a matter of minutes.
1166
00:59:13,117 --> 00:59:16,020
If you have areas that
you don't even know there's
missing people.
1167
00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:19,423
If you have
specific jurisdictions
1168
00:59:19,456 --> 00:59:20,825
that don't have that data,
1169
00:59:20,858 --> 00:59:25,429
it makes it really difficult
going back to re-investigate
1170
00:59:25,462 --> 00:59:27,064
when more information comes.
1171
00:59:27,665 --> 00:59:29,834
The reality is that if...
1172
00:59:31,101 --> 00:59:33,638
say, park authorities
were open about
1173
00:59:33,671 --> 00:59:36,073
how many people are missing,
1174
00:59:36,106 --> 00:59:39,176
from national parks and
public parks
and wilderness areas,
1175
00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:43,714
then those of us who are
going to shove our fear
and still go out there,
1176
00:59:43,748 --> 00:59:46,050
we can go out
better protected.
1177
00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:47,752
That's what I think
authorities should do.
1178
00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:50,054
I think they should come clean
and say, "Here's all
the information.
1179
00:59:50,087 --> 00:59:50,988
Now you know.
1180
00:59:51,021 --> 00:59:52,156
We don't know what's going on,
1181
00:59:52,189 --> 00:59:54,124
but at least you should
protect yourself.
1182
01:00:03,968 --> 01:00:06,771
[Lyle] It's obviously
an unsolved mystery.
1183
01:00:06,804 --> 01:00:09,539
Um, it's one of those
things that...
1184
01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:11,608
you kind of carry it
in the back of your mind
1185
01:00:11,642 --> 01:00:13,844
every time that you go and
visit Crater Lake.
1186
01:00:13,878 --> 01:00:15,479
I mean,
it's a tourist destination.
1187
01:00:15,512 --> 01:00:17,047
It's a happy place to be.
1188
01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:19,449
But you go up there and
you do think
1189
01:00:19,483 --> 01:00:22,920
it's a beautiful place,
but it's not without tragedy.
1190
01:00:24,021 --> 01:00:26,757
The strongest theory?
While, there's many...
1191
01:00:26,791 --> 01:00:31,595
The strongest theory is that
he was in those woods somehow,
1192
01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,331
and he likely,
in my opinion,
1193
01:00:34,364 --> 01:00:35,733
got covered up by snow,
1194
01:00:35,766 --> 01:00:39,804
and then, maybe became
victim of an animal later on.
1195
01:00:41,038 --> 01:00:44,875
I believe that when
a child goes missing,
1196
01:00:44,909 --> 01:00:49,079
that you throw every resource
you have at it initially.
1197
01:00:49,113 --> 01:00:52,783
And I would have liked to
have seen that happen
1198
01:00:52,817 --> 01:00:54,785
with Sammy that night.
1199
01:01:01,425 --> 01:01:03,193
It is the end of month one,
1200
01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:06,563
and the search for
two-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr.
continues.
1201
01:01:06,596 --> 01:01:09,033
Many believe DeOrr isn't
on that mountain.
1202
01:01:09,066 --> 01:01:11,368
Search and Rescue
and all the townspeople,
1203
01:01:11,401 --> 01:01:12,569
everybody went out there.
1204
01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:14,004
Everybody went out there.
1205
01:01:14,038 --> 01:01:16,440
There's been a lot of people
up there looking. A lot.
1206
01:01:16,473 --> 01:01:17,708
A lot of people.
1207
01:01:17,742 --> 01:01:19,844
Even after
the search was done,
1208
01:01:19,877 --> 01:01:21,078
there's been people.
1209
01:01:21,111 --> 01:01:23,347
I think he would
have been found
if he was...
1210
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:25,415
Don't you?
1211
01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:29,086
Several people have mentioned
other people that live
in Lemhi County.
1212
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,355
There's a woman that runs
a restaurant there.
1213
01:01:31,388 --> 01:01:34,058
Some people have said that
she may have been involved.
1214
01:01:34,091 --> 01:01:36,626
[Frank] The mother and father
knew that the baby was dead,
1215
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:38,362
so they said,
"Please help us."
1216
01:01:38,395 --> 01:01:41,165
They paid her $1,000
to dispose of the body.
1217
01:01:41,198 --> 01:01:42,599
Police have cleared her.
1218
01:01:42,632 --> 01:01:44,835
There's... I mean, there's
so many theories out there.
1219
01:01:44,869 --> 01:01:46,236
People, you know, owe...
1220
01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:48,338
You know, the parents did
something to him.
1221
01:01:48,372 --> 01:01:49,807
Or it was an accident.
1222
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,708
They said the boy was up there
to use that as a ruse
1223
01:01:51,742 --> 01:01:53,878
to say that he's missing.
1224
01:01:53,911 --> 01:01:55,579
But he was never up there
to begin with.
1225
01:01:55,612 --> 01:01:56,814
Oh, he was there.
1226
01:01:56,847 --> 01:01:59,817
I've seen him trying to play
in the campfire.
1227
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:01,685
He was playing with his dad.
1228
01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:05,255
Several people have said
there's sex offenders
that live in town,
1229
01:02:05,289 --> 01:02:07,557
and that maybe they knew this
little boy was up there,
1230
01:02:07,591 --> 01:02:10,961
so they concocted this plan
to go up there and take him.
1231
01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:14,899
We're thinking more like
somebody kidnapped him.
1232
01:02:14,932 --> 01:02:16,733
They'd followed him back
to the door
1233
01:02:16,767 --> 01:02:20,204
and caught me when
I wasn't looking
and snatched him.
1234
01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:23,808
I've heard everything from
"Big Foot took DeOrr,"
1235
01:02:23,841 --> 01:02:25,309
to maybe a trucker
picked him up.
1236
01:02:25,342 --> 01:02:28,478
to maybe he's a child
sex slave in Canada.
1237
01:02:29,947 --> 01:02:32,249
A lot of Facebook groups
have been set up
1238
01:02:32,282 --> 01:02:35,986
where any time, any sort
of update on DeOrr is out,
1239
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:39,389
they'll post the link and
a hundred people will comment.
1240
01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:45,195
[woman] There's probably
a dozen different
1241
01:02:45,229 --> 01:02:47,497
Facebook pages out there
that people have started.
1242
01:02:47,531 --> 01:02:51,335
And there's a lot of it
that's positive support
for the family,
1243
01:02:51,368 --> 01:02:54,438
but there's a lot of it
that's just condemning.
1244
01:02:54,471 --> 01:02:58,008
Called them murderers,
said they're
neglectful parents.
1245
01:02:58,042 --> 01:03:00,077
That they should never
have kids.
1246
01:03:01,979 --> 01:03:04,781
Social media has its upside,
1247
01:03:04,815 --> 01:03:06,817
but terrible downside, as well.
1248
01:03:06,851 --> 01:03:10,020
People jumping to conclusions,
spreading rumors.
1249
01:03:10,054 --> 01:03:13,958
And that just complicates
the grief so much more.
1250
01:03:13,991 --> 01:03:16,193
The parents are having
to defend themselves
1251
01:03:16,226 --> 01:03:18,963
at the same time as
they're trying to grieve,
1252
01:03:18,996 --> 01:03:23,033
and trying to wrap their
arms around the fact
that their child is missing.
1253
01:03:23,067 --> 01:03:25,369
[man] The family's been
accused of drug use,
1254
01:03:25,402 --> 01:03:28,472
and of sleeping with
certain people.
1255
01:03:28,505 --> 01:03:32,009
Everything from their looks,
to their demeanor,
1256
01:03:32,042 --> 01:03:33,677
to how they speak.
1257
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:36,580
[Frank] In fact,
I even told them,
stay off social media.
1258
01:03:36,613 --> 01:03:38,615
I said, you want
the broadcast media,
1259
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:40,885
the print media to
be on your side.
1260
01:03:40,918 --> 01:03:42,752
Whatever comes out,
1261
01:03:42,786 --> 01:03:45,322
the social media
may misinterpret that
1262
01:03:45,355 --> 01:03:47,291
and say some things that
are cruel or not true.
1263
01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:48,758
But don't even pay
attention to them.
1264
01:03:48,792 --> 01:03:52,096
And it may be that people have
become fixated with this case,
1265
01:03:52,129 --> 01:03:54,131
and they're craving something.
1266
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:56,366
They want some sort of
nugget of news,
1267
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,434
or new information.
1268
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:00,070
And when they don't get that,
they speculate.
1269
01:04:00,104 --> 01:04:03,107
And then it spreads,
and you can't control it.
1270
01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:14,018
[birds chirping]
1271
01:04:33,703 --> 01:04:35,672
[Frank]
Every time somebody
would come around
1272
01:04:35,705 --> 01:04:37,441
who was part of the media,
1273
01:04:37,474 --> 01:04:40,410
they would say,
"What blank blank
are they doing here?
1274
01:04:41,045 --> 01:04:42,512
Why are they here?"
1275
01:04:42,546 --> 01:04:45,549
And that bothered me as to
why would they
not want coverage.
1276
01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,152
I knew that they were offered
Nancy Grace for an hour.
1277
01:04:48,185 --> 01:04:50,087
[Jamie]
Good Morning America
called them,
1278
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,956
and they wouldn't go.
1279
01:04:51,989 --> 01:04:54,324
It can only help.
It can't hurt.
1280
01:04:55,425 --> 01:04:57,194
And at this point,
1281
01:04:57,227 --> 01:05:01,165
having his face plastered
everywhere is how
we're gonna find him.
1282
01:05:01,198 --> 01:05:03,033
You know, every time somebody
goes to Walmart,
1283
01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:05,502
wherever they're at,
or get out of their car,
1284
01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:08,305
I want DeOrr's face to
be in their mind.
1285
01:05:08,872 --> 01:05:10,607
[door creaking]
1286
01:05:12,809 --> 01:05:14,178
[woman speaking]
1287
01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:22,519
I'm not aware of any manual
of how you're supposed to act
1288
01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:24,421
if your child goes missing.
1289
01:05:24,454 --> 01:05:27,191
You know, so, um...
1290
01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:32,096
It's extremely stressful
for them.
1291
01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:34,464
And then, when you
have people,
1292
01:05:35,765 --> 01:05:38,302
you know, trying to
make assumptions
1293
01:05:38,335 --> 01:05:41,805
and judgments without
a lot of information,
1294
01:05:41,838 --> 01:05:43,507
it's gotta be very difficult.
1295
01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:46,943
[line ringing]
1296
01:05:48,478 --> 01:05:50,047
[over answering machine]
Hi, this is Jessica.
1297
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,848
Leave me a message and
I'll get right back to you.
1298
01:05:51,881 --> 01:05:52,949
[beep]
1299
01:05:54,985 --> 01:05:56,886
I asked DeOrr why she was
freaking out on me
1300
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,288
when you told me it was okay.
1301
01:05:58,322 --> 01:06:00,690
He says, "I told Jess and
she doesn't like the idea."
1302
01:06:02,792 --> 01:06:04,794
[Frank]
This is the strangest
case that I've worked.
1303
01:06:04,828 --> 01:06:08,432
Everybody else,
they plead for
television coverage.
1304
01:06:08,465 --> 01:06:11,168
They plead for radio coverage,
newspaper coverage.
1305
01:06:11,201 --> 01:06:12,336
They plead for this.
1306
01:06:12,369 --> 01:06:13,803
That's what's so strange.
1307
01:06:13,837 --> 01:06:15,672
Why are they acting this way?
1308
01:06:15,705 --> 01:06:17,207
Are they
concealing something?
1309
01:06:17,241 --> 01:06:19,643
It-- It doesn't matter.
1310
01:06:19,676 --> 01:06:21,578
It doesn't matter who thinks
you're a murderer.
1311
01:06:21,611 --> 01:06:24,514
It doesn't matter who thinks
you did what to your son.
1312
01:06:24,548 --> 01:06:27,317
It matters that we need
to find your son.
1313
01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:35,492
[Frank]
Basically I notified
them in writing
1314
01:06:35,525 --> 01:06:38,195
that because they didn't
want to cooperate with
1315
01:06:38,228 --> 01:06:41,098
the broadcast media
or print media
1316
01:06:41,131 --> 01:06:42,999
that I was gonna
back out of the case
1317
01:06:43,033 --> 01:06:46,336
and I withdrew my $20,000
offer of a reward.
1318
01:06:47,204 --> 01:06:49,606
One of them
didn't really care.
1319
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:53,077
The other one said,
"Thanks for giving up
on our son."
1320
01:06:53,777 --> 01:06:55,645
Brantley. Brantley.
1321
01:06:56,313 --> 01:06:58,048
-Come here.
-Go see mom.
1322
01:06:59,083 --> 01:07:01,185
Oh! I have that boy.
1323
01:07:04,154 --> 01:07:05,855
What did you buy mommy?
1324
01:07:05,889 --> 01:07:07,457
What are you
watching on YouTube?
1325
01:07:08,625 --> 01:07:09,993
She's not a people person.
1326
01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:12,262
She's like... Oh, look.
1327
01:07:12,296 --> 01:07:14,598
Yeah?
Are you gonna tell them, mm?
1328
01:07:16,466 --> 01:07:18,135
Anything for you.
1329
01:07:20,003 --> 01:07:22,672
Like I said... They just...
They...
1330
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,474
I don't know.
1331
01:07:24,508 --> 01:07:26,810
I think they cope
with it different,
1332
01:07:26,843 --> 01:07:28,112
and maybe they have
different ideas
1333
01:07:28,145 --> 01:07:30,647
of what is a good idea to help
find their son.
1334
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:36,086
-[bell ringing]
-[man] Is that them?
1335
01:07:37,921 --> 01:07:39,356
That's DeOrr.
1336
01:07:41,691 --> 01:07:43,460
[shutter opening]
1337
01:07:47,131 --> 01:07:48,598
What the [bleep]
is going on?
1338
01:07:48,632 --> 01:07:50,367
[DeOrr speaking]
1339
01:07:53,237 --> 01:07:54,571
[Kelsey] Dude, I called...
1340
01:07:54,604 --> 01:07:57,207
[DeOrr] You didn't do
anything, I know.
1341
01:07:57,774 --> 01:07:58,875
You're fine.
1342
01:07:58,908 --> 01:08:01,478
-[Kelsey] I just wanted to help.
-[DeOrr] You're fine.
1343
01:08:01,511 --> 01:08:02,812
She's just
going through shit.
1344
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,184
[DeOrr speaking]
1345
01:08:35,044 --> 01:08:36,280
[shutter closing]
1346
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:43,253
[clock ticking]
1347
01:08:49,926 --> 01:08:51,261
[clock chiming]
1348
01:09:05,175 --> 01:09:07,244
[man speaking]
1349
01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:10,580
[Edna] I'm Edna,
Keith's mother.
1350
01:09:11,648 --> 01:09:15,018
I was visiting my parents
in Ritter, Oregon,
1351
01:09:15,051 --> 01:09:19,189
and it was Easter time,
Easter came early that year.
1352
01:09:19,223 --> 01:09:21,391
So there was snow
on the grounds.
1353
01:09:21,425 --> 01:09:23,527
Patches of snow
on the ground.
1354
01:09:25,028 --> 01:09:27,096
It was a cattle,
cattle area.
1355
01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:30,567
And my parents
were ranchers.
1356
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,637
And the neighbors were
pretty much also.
1357
01:09:37,307 --> 01:09:40,244
He was a happy child,
a very happy child.
1358
01:09:44,281 --> 01:09:47,751
He and his older brothers
had gone to the barn
1359
01:09:47,784 --> 01:09:49,353
to see a new calf.
1360
01:09:50,854 --> 01:09:52,356
And it was lunch time.
1361
01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:55,792
And so I called the boys
and the older two came,
1362
01:09:55,825 --> 01:09:57,661
and Keith didn't.
1363
01:09:59,095 --> 01:10:00,697
And so I said,
"Where's your brother?"
1364
01:10:00,730 --> 01:10:02,499
He said, "Oh, he went
around the barn."
1365
01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:05,802
And so, we went to find him,
1366
01:10:06,736 --> 01:10:08,204
and he wasn't there.
1367
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,677
We were able to start a search
immediately for him.
1368
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,980
It was long before Search
and Rescue was organized
1369
01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:17,947
like it is today,
1370
01:10:17,981 --> 01:10:19,483
but they knew how to search.
1371
01:10:19,516 --> 01:10:23,320
And so they went
within speaking distance
of each other
1372
01:10:23,353 --> 01:10:26,256
so that they were
able to communicate.
1373
01:10:26,290 --> 01:10:27,924
Everyone was just marvelous.
1374
01:10:27,957 --> 01:10:30,727
We felt that there was
about 200 people there.
1375
01:10:32,296 --> 01:10:34,764
And they searched through
the night.
1376
01:10:39,903 --> 01:10:41,405
I didn't know until much later
1377
01:10:41,438 --> 01:10:44,107
that he had gone through
this herd of cattle.
1378
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:45,875
But they
found his footprints.
1379
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:54,551
[Les]
Even as the crow flies,
1380
01:10:54,584 --> 01:10:56,286
his journey from his house
1381
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,121
to where his tracks
were found,
1382
01:10:58,154 --> 01:10:59,889
is three miles.
1383
01:10:59,923 --> 01:11:03,693
And then, his body is found
way over here.
1384
01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:05,995
Five miles away.
1385
01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:07,364
Eight miles in total.
1386
01:11:08,532 --> 01:11:10,166
[Edna] He was stiff, too.
1387
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,602
His little body
couldn't move.
1388
01:11:12,636 --> 01:11:16,039
He was found face down
in the snow, and...
1389
01:11:16,072 --> 01:11:19,476
his little face was scratched
pretty bad when we found him.
1390
01:11:22,446 --> 01:11:25,214
It was at lunch time
when he had disappeared.
1391
01:11:25,248 --> 01:11:28,251
And it was about
seven o'clock the next morning
1392
01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:29,686
when he was found.
1393
01:11:33,657 --> 01:11:36,092
[Les] Eight miles.
That's as the crow flies.
1394
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:39,596
It's impossible to walk
out here as a crow would fly.
1395
01:11:40,664 --> 01:11:43,299
In a span of
less than 24 hours,
1396
01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:45,535
you'd have to believe that
this two-year-old
1397
01:11:45,569 --> 01:11:48,071
covered perhaps as many
as twelve miles.
1398
01:11:51,174 --> 01:11:53,610
[panting]
1399
01:11:53,643 --> 01:11:55,278
As it was...
1400
01:11:55,311 --> 01:11:58,081
his clothing was found ripped,
1401
01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:02,552
and we figure it's likely
from barbwire fences.
1402
01:12:02,586 --> 01:12:04,821
Either going through them
or under them.
1403
01:12:13,262 --> 01:12:16,400
And even with
a full moon tonight,
1404
01:12:16,433 --> 01:12:19,536
I can't see anything
going through this bush.
1405
01:12:19,569 --> 01:12:21,805
So if I'm
a two-year-old child,
1406
01:12:21,838 --> 01:12:24,608
and I've got to walk
through this,
or crawl through this,
1407
01:12:24,641 --> 01:12:26,042
I get to this time of night...
1408
01:12:27,143 --> 01:12:29,312
I can't see Keith
going anywhere.
1409
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:30,814
I can't go anywhere.
1410
01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:35,719
How a two-year-old
could travel
1411
01:12:35,752 --> 01:12:38,755
the topography
I'm traveling now...
1412
01:12:38,788 --> 01:12:44,661
Little shoes and it was
freezing temperatures.
1413
01:12:44,694 --> 01:12:46,763
Even if he was a kid
full of energy.
1414
01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:56,640
This is roughly the area
the searchers found him.
1415
01:12:56,673 --> 01:13:00,910
His father was about
100 yards that way.
1416
01:13:02,579 --> 01:13:04,113
And he's found here.
1417
01:13:04,881 --> 01:13:06,416
Face down in the snow.
1418
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:08,852
Hat and coat beside him.
1419
01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,888
Searcher finds him.
Father one,
maybe 200 yards away.
1420
01:13:11,921 --> 01:13:14,157
Runs over, picks him up,
1421
01:13:15,258 --> 01:13:16,593
and he's alive.
1422
01:13:28,538 --> 01:13:31,274
Over the years,
in the Ritter area,
1423
01:13:31,307 --> 01:13:32,776
when we'd go visit there,
1424
01:13:32,809 --> 01:13:34,410
someone would
come visit and say,
1425
01:13:34,444 --> 01:13:37,180
"Oh, yeah. I remember
we looked for you.
1426
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:38,715
Thank goodness
you were found."
1427
01:13:38,748 --> 01:13:40,950
And I'd say, "Oh, that's great
and thank you for looking."
1428
01:13:45,722 --> 01:13:48,391
This is the cap that I wore.
1429
01:13:48,424 --> 01:13:51,661
It's got little
earmuffs on 'em.
1430
01:13:51,695 --> 01:13:54,330
This is my little cap.
1431
01:13:54,363 --> 01:13:57,266
And this here's
one of my shoes
1432
01:13:57,300 --> 01:14:00,504
that I had on.
1433
01:14:00,537 --> 01:14:03,773
This is my jacket that
I was carrying with me.
1434
01:14:03,807 --> 01:14:05,742
I took it off for
whatever reason,
1435
01:14:05,775 --> 01:14:10,780
and I was carrying my cap
in my coat, in my hand,
1436
01:14:10,814 --> 01:14:15,418
I had alongside me as I was
laying prone on the ground.
1437
01:14:15,451 --> 01:14:17,854
I had that in my hand.
1438
01:14:17,887 --> 01:14:21,124
This here is my shirt
that I had.
1439
01:14:21,157 --> 01:14:23,326
[clock chiming]
1440
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:28,131
And then, as you can see,
on my bib overalls,
1441
01:14:28,164 --> 01:14:30,333
you can see the tears
1442
01:14:30,366 --> 01:14:32,836
on them where I caught it
in the fence,
1443
01:14:32,869 --> 01:14:34,804
trying to go through
the fence and stuff.
1444
01:14:35,605 --> 01:14:38,274
And it tore the...
1445
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:40,544
and caught the...
I got a tear in the back
1446
01:14:40,577 --> 01:14:42,145
where the barbwires
caught it.
1447
01:14:42,546 --> 01:14:44,047
And, uh...
1448
01:14:45,048 --> 01:14:45,982
tore it.
1449
01:14:47,016 --> 01:14:49,586
Those are the clothes
my mom kept
1450
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:52,221
for all these years.
1451
01:14:56,793 --> 01:14:58,628
[Edna] We just
never gave up hope.
1452
01:14:58,662 --> 01:15:02,498
And he was found.
1453
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:08,204
Although he'd suffered
frostbite on his hands
and feet,
1454
01:15:08,237 --> 01:15:11,507
we were just fortunate that
he was found when he was.
1455
01:15:15,712 --> 01:15:17,714
We never made a big issue
of him being lost,
1456
01:15:17,747 --> 01:15:20,850
because we didn't want
to frighten him,
1457
01:15:20,884 --> 01:15:22,619
and to make him
afraid of dark,
1458
01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:24,420
or to be frightened.
1459
01:15:24,453 --> 01:15:26,189
I felt he'd gone through that.
1460
01:15:28,658 --> 01:15:30,660
No nightmares
about it at all.
1461
01:15:30,694 --> 01:15:34,130
I don't recall at all
anything about it.
1462
01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:36,766
They asked me what happened
and I told them I didn't know.
1463
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,702
I didn't know what happened
and they asked me.
1464
01:15:38,735 --> 01:15:43,707
I had quite a few
scratches on my face
and hands.
1465
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:47,376
Someone asked me how
I got those and I told them
the cat had scratched me.
1466
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:49,679
So, I had no recollection
1467
01:15:49,713 --> 01:15:52,181
of what had happened to me.
1468
01:15:54,918 --> 01:15:59,055
It's the kind of baffling case
that has you sit back and go,
1469
01:15:59,088 --> 01:16:01,224
nothing that I can
put my finger on
1470
01:16:01,257 --> 01:16:03,727
in a normal
set of circumstances
in the wilderness
1471
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,829
makes any sense
to this case whatsoever.
1472
01:16:05,862 --> 01:16:08,197
It's something other.
1473
01:16:19,142 --> 01:16:20,576
[DeOrr] Very quiet now.
1474
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:22,378
'Cause that's not
usual for him.
1475
01:16:22,411 --> 01:16:25,782
You get all kinds of little
motor noises coming
out of there from him,
1476
01:16:25,815 --> 01:16:28,317
and he's just
[imitates car engine]
with his cars.
1477
01:16:28,351 --> 01:16:29,919
It's very quiet.
1478
01:16:29,953 --> 01:16:32,588
[Jessica] Usually you're
stepping on Hot Wheels,
1479
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:34,824
or Legos, or something.
1480
01:16:34,858 --> 01:16:36,492
[DeOrr] The whole house
is the same way.
1481
01:16:36,525 --> 01:16:37,961
The whole house
is very quiet now.
1482
01:16:37,994 --> 01:16:41,064
It's just...
It's not anywhere at home.
1483
01:16:41,097 --> 01:16:44,000
You go with it day by day
hoping you can
get your life back.
1484
01:16:44,701 --> 01:16:46,770
Hoping he's okay, because
1485
01:16:47,303 --> 01:16:48,604
this ain't it.
1486
01:16:49,605 --> 01:16:51,074
This sucks.
1487
01:16:56,579 --> 01:16:58,014
[Jessica laughing]
1488
01:17:01,484 --> 01:17:03,219
[Jessica] Little man.
1489
01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:12,829
Everyday I was happy,
because I got to spend it
with him.
1490
01:17:12,862 --> 01:17:16,165
I could go to work and
take him to work with me
1491
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:18,201
and still have
that time with him.
1492
01:17:18,234 --> 01:17:20,336
And then, we'd come home
and make dinner
1493
01:17:20,369 --> 01:17:22,839
and give him his bath,
1494
01:17:22,872 --> 01:17:24,473
and put jammies on,
1495
01:17:24,507 --> 01:17:26,375
and watch a little TV
and play,
1496
01:17:26,409 --> 01:17:29,545
and then read him a story
or sing him a song
1497
01:17:29,578 --> 01:17:31,014
to put him to sleep,
1498
01:17:31,047 --> 01:17:32,816
and give him about
ten million hugs
1499
01:17:32,849 --> 01:17:35,484
before I could
leave the room.
1500
01:17:35,518 --> 01:17:39,055
And I miss those days.
1501
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:42,025
A lot.
1502
01:17:47,864 --> 01:17:49,999
[interviewer speaking]
1503
01:17:50,566 --> 01:17:53,402
Um, what was it?
1504
01:17:53,436 --> 01:17:54,904
-About a month?
-Three...
1505
01:17:54,938 --> 01:17:56,239
Yeah, it was like a month.
1506
01:17:56,272 --> 01:17:58,441
[both] Three weeks to a month
after he went missing.
1507
01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:00,343
Is when they brought
the FBI in.
1508
01:18:00,376 --> 01:18:03,246
The FBI originally called
Lemhi County and said,
1509
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:04,714
"We heard about this case.
1510
01:18:04,748 --> 01:18:06,615
Do you guys need
any assistance?
1511
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:08,084
We'll help you out."
1512
01:18:08,117 --> 01:18:10,887
And they said,
"Yeah, can you handle, like,
1513
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,157
the forensic part of this?"
1514
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:15,792
[Nate] Right off he showed you
inside his truck.
1515
01:18:15,825 --> 01:18:17,160
It's an old beat up truck.
1516
01:18:17,193 --> 01:18:19,829
There was still the light,
the dome light.
1517
01:18:19,863 --> 01:18:23,032
It was covered with
FBI evidence tape.
1518
01:18:23,066 --> 01:18:24,734
That's one thing they
hadn't taped down.
1519
01:18:24,768 --> 01:18:26,435
So he did let them
swab their truck.
1520
01:18:26,469 --> 01:18:30,206
We were told that a report
should come out within
six to eight weeks.
1521
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,575
And we're at
the eight week mark now,
1522
01:18:32,608 --> 01:18:34,310
with still no answers.
1523
01:18:34,343 --> 01:18:38,281
They're coming up with any
sort of theory,
or any sort of hypothesis
1524
01:18:38,314 --> 01:18:40,483
as to what could have
happened with DeOrr Kunz.
1525
01:18:40,516 --> 01:18:43,853
We want them to come back
and say we have
reason to believe
1526
01:18:43,887 --> 01:18:46,289
because of this and this
that he was abducted.
1527
01:18:46,322 --> 01:18:47,824
So we're now...
1528
01:18:47,857 --> 01:18:51,227
We're looking at tis individual.
We're looking here...
We're doing...
1529
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:53,129
It gives us more
of a direction to go in.
1530
01:18:53,162 --> 01:18:55,098
Some people are, like,
they're afraid of the FBI.
1531
01:18:55,131 --> 01:18:57,666
No, we are not.
I have nothing to hide.
1532
01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:59,936
I have no--
I didn't do anything wrong.
1533
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,075
Bob's friend Issac stayed
in his own tent.
1534
01:19:06,109 --> 01:19:07,543
Bob stayed in the camper.
1535
01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,746
Jessica, I and little DeOrr
stayed in Bob's Suburban.
1536
01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:13,282
I got out of the Suburban
that morning
1537
01:19:13,316 --> 01:19:15,651
and they were actually...
Her and my son were
1538
01:19:15,684 --> 01:19:17,053
already up and out.
1539
01:19:17,086 --> 01:19:19,856
And they were just
getting ready
to start breakfast.
1540
01:19:19,889 --> 01:19:23,092
So we decided, okay, well,
"Bob, what's the plan?"
1541
01:19:23,126 --> 01:19:25,294
Him and Issac were gonna
go fishing.
1542
01:19:25,328 --> 01:19:27,196
And I said we're gonna
go down to Leadore,
1543
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:29,132
get a few things and
we'll come back up.
1544
01:19:29,165 --> 01:19:32,035
And he says, "Well,
be back here by 1:00
if you can."
1545
01:19:33,970 --> 01:19:36,572
Got our groceries and Jessica
went to the restroom.
1546
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:38,674
I loaded little DeOrr in
the truck with the groceries,
1547
01:19:38,707 --> 01:19:41,044
and she came out and
we headed back up.
1548
01:19:41,744 --> 01:19:43,913
It's 45 minutes up.
1549
01:19:43,947 --> 01:19:46,549
And Bob and Issac were just
coming back into camp,
1550
01:19:46,582 --> 01:19:50,719
'cause they were fishing
down the creek right by
where we were camping.
1551
01:19:50,753 --> 01:19:53,289
And Jessica got
little DeOrr out.
1552
01:19:57,293 --> 01:20:00,096
[Jessica] And we parked where
that jeep is right now.
1553
01:20:01,764 --> 01:20:04,533
My grandpa was sitting in
a chair right here.
1554
01:20:04,567 --> 01:20:08,437
And we had our double chair
right about in here.
1555
01:20:10,173 --> 01:20:13,642
And I handed my grandpa
the candy that we bought him.
1556
01:20:13,676 --> 01:20:16,812
Issac and my grandpa were
talking about how they went
fishing
1557
01:20:16,846 --> 01:20:18,982
in the creek and caught fish.
1558
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:21,851
Just down... up in there.
1559
01:20:21,885 --> 01:20:25,654
And we decided that we were
gonna go up and
1560
01:20:25,688 --> 01:20:28,291
look to see if there was
fish in the creek.
1561
01:20:28,324 --> 01:20:30,393
After were decided that
we're gonna go up there,
1562
01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:34,964
I asked my grandpa
if it was okay if we could
leave little man with him.
1563
01:20:34,998 --> 01:20:36,966
And he said, "Yeah, he's fine.
1564
01:20:38,501 --> 01:20:40,069
He wants candy anyways."
1565
01:20:40,103 --> 01:20:42,771
And he was about ready
due for a nap, anyway,
1566
01:20:42,805 --> 01:20:45,008
and you could tell he was
getting pretty tired.
1567
01:20:45,041 --> 01:20:46,910
Se we were gonna leave
him with Bob,
1568
01:20:46,943 --> 01:20:49,145
instead of making him
walk and all that.
1569
01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:51,147
So we headed up
this road right here.
1570
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:53,582
Right about where that
smaller tree is.
1571
01:20:53,616 --> 01:20:56,752
We stopped and noticed that
little man was following us.
1572
01:20:56,785 --> 01:20:58,787
So DeOrr asked him,
1573
01:20:58,821 --> 01:21:01,590
"Do you wanna go with us,
or do you wanna stay with
Grandpa Bob?"
1574
01:21:01,624 --> 01:21:04,027
And he said, "No, yeah."
1575
01:21:04,060 --> 01:21:07,263
And turned around and started
walking back towards my grandpa.
1576
01:21:07,296 --> 01:21:11,434
So we realized he was gonna
go back to camp
with my grandpa,
1577
01:21:11,467 --> 01:21:12,668
so we headed up.
1578
01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:15,504
I figured he was with
my grandpa, he was fine.
1579
01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:20,243
And we walked up
to the creek,
1580
01:21:20,276 --> 01:21:23,179
and Issac said, "Right here,
right here is where we
1581
01:21:23,212 --> 01:21:25,714
were fishing
and caught fish."
1582
01:21:25,748 --> 01:21:30,119
And he turned around and
walked back towards this way.
1583
01:21:30,153 --> 01:21:33,522
DeOrr and I stayed up
by the creek and kinda just
1584
01:21:33,556 --> 01:21:38,894
looked in the water and
looked to see if we could
see any fish.
1585
01:21:38,928 --> 01:21:41,164
I started getting my
fishing gear ready,
1586
01:21:41,197 --> 01:21:44,067
'cause I figured this is kind
of a good spot to fish.
1587
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:47,170
And there was one spot
that had minnows in it.
1588
01:21:47,203 --> 01:21:48,371
And they were
just stuck there.
1589
01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:49,973
They couldn't get out
from the low level.
1590
01:21:50,006 --> 01:21:52,475
And I thought, "God, this will
be neat for him to see."
1591
01:21:53,709 --> 01:21:54,910
Jessica stayed at the creek,
1592
01:21:54,944 --> 01:21:56,445
and I walked up the bank
1593
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,914
and got back up on the bank
and went towards camp
1594
01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:00,916
and I yelled to Bob
where's little DeOrr.
1595
01:22:00,950 --> 01:22:05,154
I could hear voices
up in the camping area.
1596
01:22:05,188 --> 01:22:06,922
And you can actually,
where I'm standing right now,
1597
01:22:06,956 --> 01:22:08,958
you can actually see
the table,
1598
01:22:08,992 --> 01:22:11,694
the picnic table that's
in our campground.
1599
01:22:11,727 --> 01:22:14,163
But I could hear DeOrr's voice.
1600
01:22:14,197 --> 01:22:15,931
I just couldn't make out
what he was saying.
1601
01:22:15,965 --> 01:22:17,266
I hollered to him,
"Where's my son?"
1602
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:18,901
And he says, "I don't know."
1603
01:22:18,934 --> 01:22:21,404
And I said,
"Bob, where's my son?"
1604
01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:24,140
And he said, "He headed up
that way towards you guys."
1605
01:22:24,173 --> 01:22:28,111
I saw somebody walking
1606
01:22:28,144 --> 01:22:30,246
in between these trees
right here.
1607
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:32,048
Realized that it was Issac,
1608
01:22:32,081 --> 01:22:33,782
with the fishing stuff
in his hand.
1609
01:22:33,816 --> 01:22:36,019
And he was walking
towards the creek.
1610
01:22:36,052 --> 01:22:37,120
And then, by that time,
1611
01:22:37,153 --> 01:22:39,088
I looked back at the creek
for a split,
1612
01:22:39,122 --> 01:22:41,724
like, maybe ten seconds.
1613
01:22:41,757 --> 01:22:43,659
And by then,
I heard DeOrr yelling.
1614
01:22:43,692 --> 01:22:45,461
And I turned around
and looked
1615
01:22:45,494 --> 01:22:46,795
straight across from me,
1616
01:22:46,829 --> 01:22:49,065
and he was right there,
saying...
1617
01:22:49,098 --> 01:22:51,200
"Little man's gone.
He's not in the campground.
1618
01:22:51,234 --> 01:22:52,568
We can't find him."
1619
01:22:52,601 --> 01:22:54,537
We came up this way,
1620
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:56,372
asking where my grandpa...
1621
01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:59,508
Where he had gone
last time he saw him.
1622
01:22:59,542 --> 01:23:01,810
And he saw him right next to
that pine tree,
1623
01:23:01,844 --> 01:23:03,012
kinda sitting down.
1624
01:23:03,046 --> 01:23:05,248
He said he was either
playing with the dirt,
1625
01:23:05,281 --> 01:23:07,616
or playing with his shoes.
1626
01:23:10,453 --> 01:23:13,789
Once I knew that he
was missing, that was like,
1627
01:23:13,822 --> 01:23:15,524
what really made me panic
1628
01:23:15,558 --> 01:23:18,327
is, like, I don't
want him to drown.
1629
01:23:18,361 --> 01:23:21,597
[DeOrr] He's not in the camper,
he's not right in this area.
1630
01:23:21,630 --> 01:23:23,266
And she started
searching by the creek,
1631
01:23:23,299 --> 01:23:25,234
and I'm up and around.
1632
01:23:25,268 --> 01:23:28,337
We search for about
20 minutes or so.
1633
01:23:28,371 --> 01:23:29,972
And I didn't hear him.
I didn't...
1634
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:31,574
We were panicking,
we didn't hear him.
1635
01:23:31,607 --> 01:23:35,010
So we decided we needed
to call, to summon
Search and Rescue.
1636
01:23:36,445 --> 01:23:39,782
A lot of what happened
just doesn't make sense.
1637
01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:43,186
'Cause he would've...
I think he would've screamed,
1638
01:23:43,219 --> 01:23:45,188
or tried to say, "Mama."
1639
01:23:45,221 --> 01:23:48,023
Within the hour of him
being going missing,
1640
01:23:48,057 --> 01:23:50,293
it rained and then it
got really hot.
1641
01:23:50,326 --> 01:23:53,096
So he would've taken
his jacket off.
1642
01:23:53,129 --> 01:23:56,065
And we didn't find anything.
That place was scoured.
1643
01:23:56,099 --> 01:23:59,835
The only thing that I'm sure of
is that Jessica that day
was with me.
1644
01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:01,370
She was with me
and I was with her.
1645
01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:03,206
So the only thing that
I'm sure of is that
1646
01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:05,108
she had nothing to do with it,
I had nothing to do with it.
1647
01:24:05,141 --> 01:24:06,675
'Cause we were with
each other.
1648
01:24:08,177 --> 01:24:10,045
And I was searching the creek,
1649
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:12,748
and in the water
the whole time up until
1650
01:24:12,781 --> 01:24:17,486
Ray, um, Stevens got here
with Search and Rescue.
1651
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,657
And he asked me to come up
and sit in the campground.
1652
01:24:24,527 --> 01:24:27,096
That as a parent is
one of the hardest things
1653
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:29,398
when you have all these
professionals telling you
1654
01:24:29,432 --> 01:24:31,300
stay at the camp, and they
have reasonings for that.
1655
01:24:31,334 --> 01:24:34,203
Because if they find...
If they found my son,
1656
01:24:34,237 --> 01:24:36,472
then they gotta go
looking for me.
1657
01:24:36,505 --> 01:24:37,540
And...
1658
01:24:37,573 --> 01:24:39,908
Or they didn't want
us to react, you know,
1659
01:24:39,942 --> 01:24:42,345
and go after somebody
that we thought
1660
01:24:42,378 --> 01:24:43,712
had something to do with it.
1661
01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:45,348
When your child goes missing,
1662
01:24:45,381 --> 01:24:48,117
you're a number one suspect.
1663
01:24:48,151 --> 01:24:49,518
It's sad, but it's true.
1664
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:54,223
You got grieving parents
that are already riled up,
1665
01:24:54,257 --> 01:24:55,791
and you know,
you've gone through
1666
01:24:55,824 --> 01:24:58,761
literally the most living hell
any parent can think of.
1667
01:24:58,794 --> 01:25:01,464
And you get hooked up
to a machine and...
1668
01:25:01,497 --> 01:25:03,132
The fact is...
1669
01:25:03,166 --> 01:25:05,668
It's hard.
There was no problems,
1670
01:25:05,701 --> 01:25:07,470
but they called a...
1671
01:25:08,537 --> 01:25:09,738
Something pass.
1672
01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:12,608
Inconclusive pass.
1673
01:25:12,641 --> 01:25:15,944
You're scared to death,
you're riled up, you're...
1674
01:25:15,978 --> 01:25:17,480
scared for your child,
1675
01:25:17,513 --> 01:25:19,715
you're scared for your family.
Your...
1676
01:25:19,748 --> 01:25:21,684
Your mind's going in
a million different directions.
1677
01:25:21,717 --> 01:25:23,852
-And nothing is ever...
-Nothing makes sense.
1678
01:25:23,886 --> 01:25:26,722
But you don't get any answers
out of any of those directions
you're going in.
1679
01:25:26,755 --> 01:25:29,158
And so, you get hooked up
to a machine like that,
1680
01:25:29,192 --> 01:25:31,994
and everybody's thinks,
"Hook 'em up to a polygraph."
Go ahead.
1681
01:25:32,027 --> 01:25:33,362
Go right on ahead.
I have nothing to hide.
1682
01:25:33,396 --> 01:25:36,599
But just know that they're
not very useful.
1683
01:25:40,836 --> 01:25:43,672
[Steve] Well, we still have
a missing child.
1684
01:25:46,475 --> 01:25:48,444
You know, I believe
he's still out there.
1685
01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:50,479
We just haven't found him yet.
1686
01:25:54,116 --> 01:25:56,385
You know, everybody
wants an answer.
1687
01:25:57,486 --> 01:25:59,888
Hopefully some day we'll
come up with one.
1688
01:26:05,027 --> 01:26:06,662
[man 1 speaking]
1689
01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:09,432
[man 2]
Working on a documentary
1690
01:26:09,465 --> 01:26:12,000
about a little kid
that went missing
in Leadore.
1691
01:26:12,034 --> 01:26:14,002
[man 1 speaking]
1692
01:26:14,036 --> 01:26:15,204
[man 2]
You know about the case?
1693
01:26:15,238 --> 01:26:17,172
[man 1 speaking]
1694
01:26:24,079 --> 01:26:27,516
[interviewer speaking]
1695
01:26:29,352 --> 01:26:32,120
Everything I said,
and no matter what I did,
1696
01:26:32,154 --> 01:26:34,623
you're dammed if you do,
dammed if you don't.
1697
01:26:34,657 --> 01:26:36,425
I did not want...
1698
01:26:36,459 --> 01:26:38,894
I wanted the media
to be on my son,
1699
01:26:38,927 --> 01:26:40,429
not on me, not on Jessica.
1700
01:26:40,463 --> 01:26:41,764
'Cause that doesn't
help find him.
1701
01:26:41,797 --> 01:26:44,767
Everything I would say
would be twisted.
1702
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,001
Yeah, we were actually...
1703
01:26:46,034 --> 01:26:48,604
The whole reason why we haven't
been on the news a lot,
1704
01:26:48,637 --> 01:26:50,906
and doing this stuff is because
1705
01:26:50,939 --> 01:26:53,509
we're actually out there.
1706
01:26:53,542 --> 01:26:57,045
Like, I don't even know
how many times we...
1707
01:26:57,079 --> 01:26:58,514
How many hours,
how many days,
1708
01:26:58,547 --> 01:27:01,484
how many weekends,
how much money,
1709
01:27:01,517 --> 01:27:04,787
our money that we have spent
just going up there
1710
01:27:04,820 --> 01:27:05,854
to search for him.
1711
01:27:05,888 --> 01:27:09,358
But all these people
saying their hearsay stuff,
1712
01:27:09,392 --> 01:27:11,760
and saying that, you know,
there's something wrong,
1713
01:27:11,794 --> 01:27:13,596
because we're not on the news
and this and this and this.
1714
01:27:13,629 --> 01:27:16,231
No, we're doing something
for our son.
1715
01:27:16,265 --> 01:27:19,902
You're right. I didn't wanna
spend all this time in
front of the public every day
1716
01:27:19,935 --> 01:27:21,937
and pet the pride
of everybody
1717
01:27:21,970 --> 01:27:23,439
to let them know that
I didn't do anything.
1718
01:27:23,472 --> 01:27:24,873
Because I know I
didn't do anything.
1719
01:27:24,907 --> 01:27:26,241
I know she didn't
do anything.
1720
01:27:26,275 --> 01:27:28,010
I had one job
and I still have that job.
1721
01:27:28,043 --> 01:27:30,045
Find that little boy.
1722
01:27:30,078 --> 01:27:33,616
He knew his name was
DeOrr Jay Kunz.
1723
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:37,653
And he knew his mama's name
was Jessica Mitchell.
1724
01:27:37,686 --> 01:27:40,389
I just pray that if someone
does see him,
1725
01:27:40,423 --> 01:27:42,825
you know, that they ask,
"What is your name?"
1726
01:27:42,858 --> 01:27:45,828
Because I believe that he
will still be able to tell you.
1727
01:27:49,465 --> 01:27:51,133
[man] When individuals
aren't found
1728
01:27:51,166 --> 01:27:52,868
on a Search and Rescue,
1729
01:27:52,901 --> 01:27:55,270
I can tell you that
1730
01:27:55,304 --> 01:27:57,473
it's something that you
think about regularly.
1731
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:04,313
You revisit in your mind.
1732
01:28:06,315 --> 01:28:08,517
There's times you go out
and look yourself.
1733
01:28:09,618 --> 01:28:11,420
[tooting]
1734
01:28:12,455 --> 01:28:16,792
And some of those cases
will haunt you forever.
1735
01:28:34,810 --> 01:28:38,747
Throughout my tenure
as a sheriff,
1736
01:28:38,781 --> 01:28:40,616
there was nothing
more important
1737
01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:42,485
than keeping
communication open
1738
01:28:42,518 --> 01:28:44,219
with the family.
1739
01:28:44,252 --> 01:28:47,089
There's only one case in
their mind that still exists.
1740
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:50,258
And it makes it
incredibly important
1741
01:28:50,292 --> 01:28:53,662
to make sure that they feel
that you haven't
forgotten that.
1742
01:28:53,696 --> 01:28:56,031
That somebody's still
looking at it.
1743
01:29:05,474 --> 01:29:07,342
I don't come up here
that often.
1744
01:29:07,376 --> 01:29:09,512
I feel guilty, because
I feel like,
1745
01:29:09,545 --> 01:29:12,548
you know, what if my son were
up here at the time, you know,
1746
01:29:12,581 --> 01:29:14,950
I didn't know what happened,
where he was.
1747
01:29:14,983 --> 01:29:17,986
I felt guilty not coming up
here at the same time.
1748
01:29:18,020 --> 01:29:20,656
It was just too painful.
1749
01:29:26,395 --> 01:29:29,932
It was hard
comprehending that
that was it.
1750
01:29:29,965 --> 01:29:31,366
You know...
1751
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,636
I was going down the mountain
and I was going home
without my son.
1752
01:29:34,202 --> 01:29:36,605
It was the hardest thing
1753
01:29:37,606 --> 01:29:39,107
I think I've ever done
in my life,
1754
01:29:39,141 --> 01:29:41,977
drive off this mountain.
1755
01:29:42,010 --> 01:29:45,080
The Big South Trail,
right here. I've never been up
here with snow on the trail.
1756
01:29:53,522 --> 01:29:56,291
When you come up here
and you see the beauty
1757
01:29:56,324 --> 01:29:58,193
and you think,
1758
01:29:58,226 --> 01:30:00,362
"Did my son lose
his life up here?"
1759
01:30:00,395 --> 01:30:02,097
I think to myself,
1760
01:30:02,130 --> 01:30:05,000
"Gee, Jaryd, you sure picked
a beautiful place to hang out."
1761
01:30:18,246 --> 01:30:19,882
[sighs deeply]
1762
01:30:19,915 --> 01:30:21,750
[voice breaking]
I don't comprehend
1763
01:30:22,384 --> 01:30:24,119
an animal getting...
1764
01:30:24,620 --> 01:30:26,655
It's too painful.
1765
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:39,468
I mean, I visualize
many times...
1766
01:30:40,503 --> 01:30:42,571
I visualize him
walking down the trail
1767
01:30:42,605 --> 01:30:45,474
and some stupid cat
jumps in...
1768
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,014
I visualize that
a lot of times.
1769
01:30:52,047 --> 01:30:54,349
But at the same time,
I never believe it either.
1770
01:30:54,382 --> 01:30:55,884
But I still visualize it,
1771
01:30:55,918 --> 01:30:59,187
because that was something
that was constantly
thrown at me.
1772
01:31:10,499 --> 01:31:13,468
[man] I can also imagine that
it haunts them
1773
01:31:13,502 --> 01:31:15,337
for the rest of their lives.
1774
01:31:15,370 --> 01:31:17,172
Just the weird circumstances,
1775
01:31:17,205 --> 01:31:18,974
and the fact that they will
probably never
1776
01:31:19,007 --> 01:31:20,843
have an answer to
what really happened.
1777
01:31:22,044 --> 01:31:24,479
[Nate] I think
the natural inclination
1778
01:31:24,513 --> 01:31:26,582
for all parents
and all relatives
1779
01:31:26,615 --> 01:31:29,317
is they want closure.
1780
01:31:29,351 --> 01:31:31,887
It's an unknown what
happened to these people.
1781
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,824
And it extends far beyond
just kids.
1782
01:31:37,225 --> 01:31:40,663
We're at 1600 cases,
and with every month,
1783
01:31:40,696 --> 01:31:42,965
there's a new case that
comes across my desk
1784
01:31:42,998 --> 01:31:45,200
that's an exact match for
what we've talked about.
1785
01:31:49,805 --> 01:31:52,875
[man] There's not going to
be any one particular person
1786
01:31:52,908 --> 01:31:55,644
that can shed light onto
a lot of the phenomenon
that's going on.
1787
01:31:55,678 --> 01:31:57,012
We're talking about
a very large,
1788
01:31:57,045 --> 01:32:00,148
even a worldwide collective
of information here.
1789
01:32:00,182 --> 01:32:03,351
Certainly authorities,
National Park authorities,
1790
01:32:03,385 --> 01:32:05,020
law enforcement
authorities...
1791
01:32:05,053 --> 01:32:08,624
They often have their
fingers tapped onto
1792
01:32:08,657 --> 01:32:10,125
the knowledge that we need.
1793
01:32:10,158 --> 01:32:13,028
But whether or not we can
acquire it from them
is another story.
1794
01:32:13,061 --> 01:32:14,630
When you look at
some of these cases,
1795
01:32:14,663 --> 01:32:15,964
you have to consider
1796
01:32:15,998 --> 01:32:19,534
possibilities with which
we are really uncomfortable.
1797
01:32:19,568 --> 01:32:21,069
You know,
it's a rational society.
1798
01:32:21,103 --> 01:32:24,106
We're uncomfortable
thinking about what else
could be out there.
1799
01:32:24,139 --> 01:32:27,209
But some of these
situations are so unusual,
1800
01:32:27,242 --> 01:32:30,445
you have to think beyond
the bounds of what's normal.
1801
01:32:30,478 --> 01:32:32,681
What's a normal
explanation for this.
1802
01:32:34,917 --> 01:32:36,819
[wind howling]
1803
01:32:39,087 --> 01:32:41,724
[woman] I think
one of the most impressive
1804
01:32:41,757 --> 01:32:44,526
was a search in South Dakota.
1805
01:32:44,559 --> 01:32:47,062
It was for a little toddler
1806
01:32:47,095 --> 01:32:48,363
that had wandered away.
1807
01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,999
And this was...
I forget, it was
January, February.
1808
01:32:51,033 --> 01:32:52,134
It was cold weather.
1809
01:32:52,167 --> 01:32:55,838
And we could not get any
clues on the little toddler.
1810
01:32:55,871 --> 01:32:57,940
It had been like three days.
1811
01:32:57,973 --> 01:33:02,711
So we knew it was probably
not gonna be a good result.
1812
01:33:02,745 --> 01:33:05,648
Anyway, we were...
To make a log story short,
1813
01:33:05,681 --> 01:33:07,650
coming through some willows,
1814
01:33:07,683 --> 01:33:10,819
and it was all foggy,
and the dogs were alerting.
1815
01:33:10,853 --> 01:33:14,389
But we could not come
to any conclusion.
1816
01:33:14,422 --> 01:33:16,591
And all of a sudden,
1817
01:33:16,625 --> 01:33:19,394
my dog turned around
and just let out
1818
01:33:19,427 --> 01:33:23,365
a real startled howl,
you know.
1819
01:33:23,398 --> 01:33:24,767
It was scared.
1820
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,770
And we turned around
and here was
this little toddler,
1821
01:33:27,803 --> 01:33:30,072
walking out of the fog,
1822
01:33:30,105 --> 01:33:34,142
with just absolutely
no clothes on at all.
1823
01:33:34,176 --> 01:33:36,278
And it scared all of us.
1824
01:33:36,311 --> 01:33:38,881
I mean, the other handler and I
both went "Whoa!"
1825
01:33:38,914 --> 01:33:40,615
You know,
just startled us, too.
1826
01:33:40,649 --> 01:33:44,953
Just like the little thing
appeared out of nowhere
out of the mist.
1827
01:33:44,987 --> 01:33:48,691
We suspect because of just
the way...
dirty and everything,
1828
01:33:48,724 --> 01:33:52,394
that probably she had
been with an animal.
1829
01:33:52,427 --> 01:33:54,797
Had curled up
with a coyote, or...
1830
01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:57,032
We don't know for sure.
And we'll never know.
1831
01:34:01,169 --> 01:34:02,738
The ultimate possibility
1832
01:34:02,771 --> 01:34:05,273
is the most disturbing of all.
1833
01:34:05,307 --> 01:34:08,811
That it's been here as
long as humans have been here.
1834
01:34:09,845 --> 01:34:11,914
Sometimes we can
see the remains
1835
01:34:11,947 --> 01:34:14,382
and sometimes we never get
an answer at all.
1836
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:29,865
He had monster trucks
1837
01:34:30,232 --> 01:34:32,134
and semis.
1838
01:34:36,104 --> 01:34:38,741
I think the boots he was
wearing were like sixes,
1839
01:34:39,307 --> 01:34:40,675
or five-and-a-halves.
1840
01:34:42,344 --> 01:34:44,179
But every time he wore this,
1841
01:34:44,212 --> 01:34:46,849
he said he was super fast
and he would run everywhere.
1842
01:34:48,784 --> 01:34:50,385
[DeOrr] We deserve to know
what happened.
1843
01:34:50,418 --> 01:34:54,222
But that little boy at least
deserves to come home
or have closure.
1844
01:34:54,256 --> 01:34:56,825
I owe at least that much
to my little boy,
1845
01:34:56,859 --> 01:34:59,962
is to at least give him
his life back, or his closure.
1846
01:35:37,165 --> 01:35:40,102
[acoustic guitar music playing]
1847
01:35:53,816 --> 01:35:56,952
* Would you walk
1848
01:35:56,985 --> 01:36:00,789
* A thousand miles
1849
01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:05,527
* Along cliffs
1850
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:09,297
* Cliffs made of shell
1851
01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:13,869
* Would you abandon
1852
01:36:13,902 --> 01:36:17,840
* Your father
1853
01:36:19,374 --> 01:36:25,513
* Along, along, along
Along the trail *
1854
01:36:27,749 --> 01:36:30,986
* 'Cause there's a road
1855
01:36:31,019 --> 01:36:35,824
* Leads through mountains
1856
01:36:36,524 --> 01:36:39,594
* And that'll cut
1857
01:36:39,627 --> 01:36:44,132
* Cut through you home
1858
01:36:44,967 --> 01:36:48,636
* And there's a lake
1859
01:36:48,670 --> 01:36:53,175
* Carved by glaciers
1860
01:36:54,476 --> 01:37:00,082
* Moving through stone
1861
01:37:01,116 --> 01:37:04,486
* Moving through
1862
01:37:36,384 --> 01:37:39,587
* Hey, you
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