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(intense music)
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‐ [Michael] It was a perfect
black, equilateral triangle.
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(air whooshing)
(eerie music)
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‐ [Narrator] Tonight
on "Unidentified,"
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the hunt for answers to one
of the greatest UFO mysteries.
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‐ [Eyewitness] Until I
put binoculars on it,
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I would've never known
it was a triangle.
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(electronics screeching)
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‐ [Narrator] Strange triangles
are being seen in our skies
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by people all over the world.
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‐ [Eyewitness] This craft
made no sound whatsoever,
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other than a very
slight humming noise.
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‐ The slow speed is a very
creepy aspect to this.
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You have this large
stealthy object
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moving very slowly
through the sky.
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(air whooshing)
(eerie music)
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‐ [Narrator] Are the
mysterious triangles
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Top Secret military aircraft
or UFOs on a possible mission
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that threatens our
national security?
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‐ If it's ours, that's great.
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(air whooshing)
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If it's not, we've got an
awful lot to worry about.
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(sinister music)
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‐ [Narrator] Everything we
know about UFOs is changing.
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(static crackling)
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Thanks to a team led by former
Pentagon UFO investigator,
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Lue Elizondo.
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‐ That is real,
whatever that is.
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‐ [Narrator] And former
top Intelligence official,
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Chris Mellon.
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‐ This is a current,
continuing phenomenon.
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It's happening, it
continues to happen.
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(air whooshing)
(electronics beeping)
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‐ [Narrator] They discovered
five unique characteristics
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that UFOs have in common
called the five observables.
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They also released
groundbreaking videos.
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(electronics chirping)
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‐ [Narrator] That
forced the Navy to admit
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its pilots were
coming face to face
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with unidentified objects.
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(electronics screeching)
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‐ [Reporter] The U. S. Navy made
a shocking admission today.
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‐ [Reporter] Strange flying
objects caught on tape
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by their own fighter
pilots are in fact UFOs.
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(intense music)
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‐ [Narrator] Now, a new
wave of military witnesses
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is coming out of the shadows.
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‐ I never seen anything
move like that.
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Shape, size, speed, it's
clearly unidentified.
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‐ [Narrator] The team is
united on a new mission.
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(electronics chirping)
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Connect the dots to reveal
the truth about UFOs.
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‐ [Eyewitness] This
thing had no capability
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like anything on earth.
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‐ [Narrator] And warn the world
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about the dangers
they might represent.
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‐ [Chris] Carl Sagan
once famously said,
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"Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary proof."
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He was absolutely right,
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but now we have the proof.
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(static crackling)
(soft dramatic music)
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(intense music)
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‐ [Narrator] Throughout history,
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unidentified flying objects
of various shapes and sizes
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have appeared in our skies.
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Thousands have witnessed
mysterious flying saucers,
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orbs, cubes, and Tic Tacs.
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(static crackling)
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But unidentified triangle‐shaped
craft have been reported
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by thousands of witnesses
over the last four decades,
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so the team has launched
a new investigation.
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‐ Hello.
‐ How are you?
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‐ [J. T.] Fine, thank you.
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‐ [Lue] Good, come on in.
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‐ [Crew Member]
Take one, marker.
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(dramatic music)
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‐ I was in the
Army for 24 years.
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I got to Fort Bragg
in January of 1990.
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Come August 1990 is when
Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
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(engines rumbling)
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‐ What Iraq has done
violates every norm
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of international law.
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(explosion booming)
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‐ [Narrator] In December 1990,
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on the eve of the Gulf War,
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a veteran who asked
to be called J. T.
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is deployed to a large American
outpost in the Saudi Desert.
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‐ I was deployed north
to Hafar Al Batin.
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It's in heavily‐scanned
restricted airspace.
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(intense music)
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It was Super Bowl Sunday.
It was just past sunset.
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Everybody else was
watching the pre‐game show
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and I was the only
one out there.
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As I looked up into the sky,
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I saw something that
really caught my attention
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because it was the
only thing there.
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It was a triangle of three
orangish‐white lights
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drifting silently and
slowly through the sky.
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They moved as though
they were part
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of an isosceles triangle.
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This was not a
high‐altitude object.
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Probably between
1,000 and 2,000 feet
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is what I would estimate.
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It was following a
perfect due east course,
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drifting elegantly
through the sky.
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There was absolutely
no sound at all.
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I mean, nothing.
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(intense music)
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I was stunned. I was
straight up stunned.
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I went back inside the tent
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and I told my best friend
about it, only him.
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And he had told me that
he had heard others
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talking about similar things.
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And we really didn't
go into it too much
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because the Super Bowl started
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and Whitney Houston sang
the national anthem.
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♪ Of the brave ♪
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‐ That was it, everybody else
was sucked into the game.
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I've never seen anything like
it since then or before then.
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‐ [Narrator] J. T.'s
sighting matches
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descriptions the team
has heard before.
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‐ [Chris] He had a very
clear view of lights
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on the corners of the triangle.
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It's part of a
stunning global pattern
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that's reported by people
from all walks of life,
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as well as military and
law enforcement personnel.
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‐ That doesn't fit any
type of known aircraft
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that I'm aware of.
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(intense music)
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‐ [Narrator] Another
Gulf War veteran
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believes he witnessed
a similar triangle UFO
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just over a year later
in the same area.
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‐ It was 1992 in the
central Persian Gulf.
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I was a Navy
cryptologic technician
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trained in Persian Farsi, the
national language of Iran.
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I often deployed
to the Persian Gulf
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where we provided
theater‐level support
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to intelligence, surveillance,
and reconnaissance missions.
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‐ This is probably one
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of the more
highly‐trained individuals
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that the U. S. military and the
Intelligence Community has.
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For all intents and purposes,
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this gentleman is a spy
on the combat field.
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(soft dramatic music)
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‐ [Narrator] The Gulf War had
ended only a year earlier.
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Tensions remained high.
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Michael Via was on
the USS Mobile Bay,
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patrolling the Persian Gulf
not far from the location
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of J. T.'s Saudi Arabia sighting.
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‐ I was temporarily assigned
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and I was taking some time
to come get some fresh air
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and see what was going on.
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I made my way up
to the O6 level,
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about as high as you can get
on this particular warship.
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I was up there just sightseeing,
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skylarking as they
say in the Navy.
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There were no
flight ops underway.
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And all of a sudden,
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there was a pulsing sound
that I felt as much as heard.
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It was a very low
frequency rumble.
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Between a rumble and a pulse.
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Like a (imitates
aircraft rumbling).
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I looked up and there it was.
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It was the most pristine,
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equilateral black triangle
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flying directly over our ship
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as if it had right up our wake.
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In each corner were
these bright round areas.
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The altitude of this thing
was about 10,000 feet
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and its relative
speed appeared to me
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to be somewhere between
300 and 500 miles per hour.
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The aircraft did not
leave a contrail.
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(eerie music)
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It was absolutely
stunning, majestic.
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From the time that I
first saw the craft
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until it faded from view, it
was no more than 10 seconds.
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So I went back down below deck
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and I saw no indication
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that this thing was
being tracked on radar.
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(radar beeping)
(dispatchers chattering)
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At the speed at which
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I had seen this thing
passing overhead,
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it should've still been
on the radar picture.
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It was in broad daylight,
a direct overflight
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of some of the most sensitive
airspace on the planet.
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I was astounded by what I saw.
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‐ [Chris] Hmm.
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‐ [Narrator] Though Michael
Via's Gulf War sighting
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is similar to J. T.'s,
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the team notices one
striking difference.
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‐ Once again, here we
have this black triangle
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that shows up, and this was
in broad daylight by the way.
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This wasn't at night.
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‐ Which is unusual.
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‐ Yes, two aircraft at that
time that I can think of
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that would fit that
pattern of a triangle,
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one being the F‐117,
(engine roaring)
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and the other one may have been
some sort of stealth bomber.
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‐ [Chris] But the silent profile
would reduce observability.
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‐ [Narrator] A
low‐flying triangle
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with lights on each corner, no
contrails, no sound of jets,
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and no visible source of lift.
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(mysterious music)
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Could the triangle
spotted by J. T. and Via
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be explained by a Top
Secret U. S. warplane?
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(engine roaring)
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Triangle‐shaped
aircraft are a part
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of U. S. stealth plane history.
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America's first
stealth warplane,
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the hypersonic SR‐71 Blackbird,
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first saw action
in the late 1960s.
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The B‐2 Stealth Bomber
was unveiled in 1989.
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And the F‐117 Nighthawk,
a stealth attack aircraft,
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played a crucial role
in winning the Gulf War.
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All three aircraft used
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the radical new
triangle‐shaped design,
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but the military
witnesses are certain
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these are not what they saw.
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(intense music)
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‐ It was not a F‐117 Nighthawk.
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It was not a B‐2 Bomber.
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It had no sawtooth edges.
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It was a perfect black,
equilateral triangle.
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‐ Even at 1,000, 2,000 feet,
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you're going to hear
something from a F‐117
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or any other aircraft.
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As it moved through the sky,
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there was absolutely no sound
at all, not even a whisper.
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I mean, nothing.
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‐ I have an advanced
degree in aviation science.
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I worked government
aerospace for 20 years.
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This didn't fit anything
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that had previously been
rolled out publicly.
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(curious music)
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‐ [Narrator] The
triangle mystery deepens
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when a similar object is
seen over American skies
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in Utah 30 years later.
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(slow music)
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‐ I'm on my way to Moab, Utah
to meet with an individual.
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He's former military,
highly credible,
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who saw one or more
triangular UFOs
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inside the national park.
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‐ [Narrator] Former
Deputy Assistant
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Secretary of Defense for
Intelligence, Chris Mellon,
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is investigating
triangle‐shaped UFOs.
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This witness has never
before spoken publicly
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about his UFO encounter.
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‐ [Chris] I'm expecting to
gain some new insights
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into the issue of whether or not
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these are U. S. manufactured
military vehicles
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or, in fact, foreign or of
some even more exotic origin.
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‐ [Narrator] Due to his
background in Army Intelligence,
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the witness has asked
to remain anonymous.
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‐ [Chris] I'm expecting the
witness to arrive at nightfall.
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(mysterious music)
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Hey, there.
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‐ [Eyewitness] Hi, Mr.
Mellon. How are you?
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‐ [Chris] Good,
how are you doing?
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‐ [Eyewitness] Good,
nice to meet you.
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‐ [Chris] Thanks for coming out.
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‐ [Eyewitness] Well, thank you.
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‐ [Narrator] The former
Intelligence analyst
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was with his father shooting
night sky photography
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in September 2019 when they
noticed an unusual light.
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‐ [Eyewitness] I had wanted
to get Milky Way
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photos for a long time,
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so I was pretty
focused on doing that.
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‐ [Chris] Mmm‐hmm
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‐ [Eyewitness] We got here
around 10 o'clock.
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I was setting up this way.
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My dad saw a light that
was very, very active.
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I mean, it was just
a quick streak.
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And I didn't think much of it,
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that it was probably a meteor.
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And it was within three or four
seconds that it did it again
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and I kinda stopped
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and I was like, "Dad,
I think that's a UFO."
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So then, we started watching it
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and it was here for a long time.
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‐ [Chris] Really?
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‐ [Eyewitness] At times, it
would be gone.
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And it would look like a streak,
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and then it would
appear over here.
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Until I put binoculars on it,
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I would've never known
it was a triangle.
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‐ [Chris] Did you subsequently
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think about reporting
it to any authorities?
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‐ Yeah, I did think
about calling it,
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but I didn't think
it would do any good.
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We kept thinking, "They're
gonna be gone at any second."
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‐ [Chris] Was it hovering
at that point?
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‐ [Eyewitness] Yes, it was
kind of stationary.
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There was no sound out of it,
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so you heard nothing that
would keep it hovering.
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(aircraft warbling)
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‐ [Narrator] He
says the triangle
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moved methodically around the
canyon as if it had a purpose.
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‐ [Chris] Did you have a
hypothesis about
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what these things were?
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‐ Well they were searching
for something, you know?
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‐ You think it was searching?
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‐ Either searching
or it was taking
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some kind of detailed map.
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You know, it was crazy.
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‐ [Chris] I've always wondered
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if that might be what's
occurring with these objects.
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If the surface of the
earth isn't being mapped
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extensively, comprehensively,
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and in minute detail.
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So, it corroborates to some
degree my own thinking.
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It's interesting to see
another Intelligence officer
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having a similar reaction.
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‐ [Narrator] Mellon
examines the photos
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for further evidence.
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Any similarities
between this sighting
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and other triangle events.
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‐ This is the one that
appeared to be one bright light
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until you put binoculars on it,
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then you could see
it was a triangle.
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(mysterious music)
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My lens was set up for
about a 10 second exposure.
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‐ [Narrator] The
witness's camera was set
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for long exposures, ideal
to capture the stars above.
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But anything moving
becomes a blur.
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Afterwards, he took
the photos to a friend,
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who is a graphic artist,
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to help create a composite
of what he says he witnessed.
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‐ [Chris] Wow!
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‐ [Eyewitness] I
showed it to my dad.
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He was like, "Wow,
it's dead on."
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‐ [Chris] Thank you so
much for sharing that.
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How has this experience
affected you?
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‐ For one thing, I realize
we're not alone now.
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To me, it's fact.
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I don't mean to be cliché,
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but it went from science fiction
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to science fact
for me that night.
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‐ His story was
absolutely believable.
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He had a security clearance,
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held a sensitive and
responsible position.
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‐ [Narrator] The Utah sighting
occurred in September 2019.
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For Chris Mellon, that's
key because it means
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the object was not the
triangle‐shaped F‐117,
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which was retired in 2008.
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Or the B‐2,
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which flew its most recent
combat mission in 2017.
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But could the object over
the Canyonlands National Park
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that night have been some
kind of still classified,
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secret military technology?
(engines roaring)
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‐ [Reporter] Folks in
Texas are a bit concerned
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over something mysterious
floating above their heads.
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‐ [Man] Watch the spotlights.
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I'll tell you when to look.
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It shines back at you, ha!
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‐ [Narrator] For years,
there have been rumors
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of an alleged
triangle‐shaped spy plane,
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code‐named the TR‐3B.
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Speculation about its
existence has long fascinated
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many in the UFO and
aviation communities.
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‐ Everybody from hikers in
the Sierra Nevada mountains
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to airline pilots were
starting to see things,
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and they were reporting
them to people like us
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at "Aviation Week."
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‐ [Narrator] Bill Scott
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is a former Air Force flight
test engineer and pilot
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who spent years as a reporter
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trying to solve the
triangle mystery.
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‐ The reports varied
considerably in quality,
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but what we found trying to
piece all these things together
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were some of it was correlating
with known programs.
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It very quickly became
almost the cottage industry.
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We know for a fact
there are a whole lot
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of these flying
triangle‐type vehicles.
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Out in Groom Lake, Area 51,
they're still very classified.
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‐ [Narrator] The
rumored TR‐3B spy plane
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was said to have
a massive wingspan
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and fly extremely
slow at low altitudes.
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(engine roaring)
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But for Chris Mellon,
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these stories are
more legend than fact.
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‐ Every source that I've
gone to and spoken with
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in the aerospace
industry, in the Pentagon,
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has denied that we have a TR‐3B
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or anything matching
the performance,
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even remotely, of
what's being observed.
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(mysterious music)
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‐ [Narrator] The
new witness believes
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the mysterious
triangle was hovering
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above the ground
mapping the area.
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If these hovering
flight characteristics
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can't be explained
by modern aviation
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or decades‐old
conspiracy theories,
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then Mellon believes
we might be facing
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a new and uncertain
national security risk.
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‐ The fact that somebody's
operating these craft
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directly inside
the United States
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in close proximity to sensitive
locations is alarming.
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(dramatic music)
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‐ [Narrator] Mellon
dedicated his career
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to protecting America from
unconventional threats serving
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as Deputy Assistant Secretary
of Defense for Intelligence
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under Presidents Clinton
and George W. Bush.
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‐ [Chris] I was really concerned
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with dealing with insurgencies,
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with terrorism,
unconventional threats.
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‐ As the senior
civilian official
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at the Defense Department
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responsible for Intelligence,
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Chris Mellon was
essentially a king
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of the Intelligence
Community in the military.
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He had access to
anything he wanted.
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(intense music)
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‐ Chris is the kinda guy
that doesn't like unknowns.
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He's always thinking.
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He's always trying
to figure out.
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And I think, from
Chris's perspective,
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this may be one of the
greatest mysteries yet
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that need to be solved.
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‐ [Narrator] With the triangle
over Utah still an unknown,
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Mellon seeks out the one
man who may have answers.
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(static crackling)
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(intense music)
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I'm in Albuquerque,
New Mexico today,
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heading to the home
of David Marler,
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who's the world's
leading authority
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on the phenomenon of
black triangle UFOs.
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This is something that is
being reported globally
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and has been for many years.
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So there's actually a
considerable amount of data.
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(static crackles)
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‐ [Narrator] Some
think the triangles
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are secret U. S.
military aircraft.
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Others believe
they could be here
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to map the earth's surface.
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(static crackles)
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Chris Mellon believes a mapping
mission by an unknown entity
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could pose a serious risk to
American national security.
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He hopes David Marler
might have fresh insights
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into the phenomena.
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‐ [Chris] David!
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‐ [David] Chris?
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‐ [Chris] How are you?
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‐ Nice to finally meet you.
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‐ [Chris] Hey, thank
you, such a pleasure.
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‐ [David] I'm interested in
showing you some of my research.
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‐ [Chris] Incredible.
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‐ 30 years in the making.
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So here we are,
the research room.
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‐ Wow, this is incredible.
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‐ (chuckles) This is
rather interesting.
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This was one of the
witnesses that I interviewed,
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he does woodworking and he
developed a actual model‐
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‐ [Chris] Interesting.
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‐ Not only depicting the object,
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but the lighting
characteristics.
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These are case files, news
clippings, scrapbooks.
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Here we have a database and
there's over 17,000 case files.
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‐ [Chris] 17,000?
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‐ Which, of course, is just
the tip of the iceberg.
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‐ Most people don't even
report their sightings.
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‐ [David] No.
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‐ [Narrator] David Marler
combines methodical research
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with gumshoe detective work,
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making him the world's
leading author and lecturer
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on triangular UFOs.
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‐ Okay, Dave, so let me
ask you, "Why triangles?"
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‐ When we look at the
1960s and the 1970s,
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there was a massive increase
in triangular UFO reports
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and this pattern has even
continued to this day.
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(dramatic music)
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There was a fantastic
series of sightings
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in Southern Illinois that
I personally investigated.
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‐ [Narrator] In the
early morning hours
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of January 5th, 2000,
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a strange object was
spotted by a truck driver
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in Highland, Illinois,
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a small town southeast
of St. Louis.
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(intense music)
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‐ Lebanon Police Officer Ed
Barton pulled his squad car over
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and he observed a large
triangular silent platform
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moving over his head.
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‐ [Narrator] As the
craft made its way
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across Southern Illinois,
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multiple police departments
began to call in sightings.
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‐ Officer David Martin of
the Shiloh Police Department
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looked up and he said,
"I see something,
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"but I don't know
what the heck it is."
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Shortly thereafter,
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it disappeared and continued
to move to the southwest.
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The unique aspect of the
Southern Illinois case
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is we have multiple
police officers
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from neighboring municipalities
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in radio contact with each other
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at the time of the sightings.
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(radio chirps)
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(air whooshing)
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‐ Officer Craig Stevens
of Millstadt, Illinois
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tried to take a Polaroid
picture of the object,
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which did not come
out very well.
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He then radioed to
another police officer
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in the neighboring
town of Dupo, Illinois
505
00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:27,110
to see if that police
officer could see anything.
506
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,090
‐ It rapidly accelerated
to the southwest.
507
00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:42,210
(dramatic music)
508
00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:43,670
We had the complete
absence of sound
509
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,010
coupled with the large size.
510
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:48,640
Most of the police
officers stated
511
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,970
the object was only 500
to 1,000 feet altitude.
512
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,470
(mysterious music)
(static crackling)
513
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,480
‐ [Narrator] The characteristics
of the Illinois triangle
514
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,350
are consistent with
what Mellon has heard
515
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,560
from other eyewitnesses.
516
00:21:59,690 --> 00:22:03,110
But the question remains,
what are triangles doing?
517
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:06,650
‐ If this is a military
aircraft, what's its mission?
518
00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:08,860
I assume that there's a mission.
519
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:10,910
It is surveillance
of some nature,
520
00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:16,040
or scanning or analyzing
the terrain, the topography.
521
00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:18,790
‐ Well, they do seem elusive,
522
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:21,000
as though perhaps they're
collecting intelligence.
523
00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:24,510
And I have wondered
whether they might be doing
524
00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:28,760
some kind of highly,
highly detailed mapping.
525
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,300
‐ When we look at the
behaviors associated
526
00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:32,560
with some of these reports,
527
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,100
the low altitude
flight, the slow speed,
528
00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:37,890
it could be a mapping
operation of the geography,
529
00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:40,560
they could be mapping
something subterranean,
530
00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:42,980
below ground, below surface.
531
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:43,900
We simply don't know.
532
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,230
Unfortunately,
there's a lot of data,
533
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,280
but that doesn't necessarily
equate to answers.
534
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,950
‐ [Narrator] If the triangles
are on a mapping mission,
535
00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:52,580
why would this
craft be interested
536
00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:55,660
in detailing the farmlands
of Southern Illinois?
537
00:22:55,790 --> 00:22:58,460
‐ The triangle flew within
an estimated one to two miles
538
00:22:58,540 --> 00:23:01,830
of Scott Air Force Base,
but it flew by the base.
539
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,380
It was not reported taking
off or landing there.
540
00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,130
It simply did a
little bit of a flyby.
541
00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:09,380
(menacing music)
542
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:10,550
‐ [Narrator] Scott
Air Force Base
543
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,760
is home to Air Mobility Command,
544
00:23:12,850 --> 00:23:15,100
a crucial part of our
nation's military,
545
00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:18,480
coordinating troop
transportation across the globe.
546
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,810
‐ There have been many instances
547
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:22,560
in which these vehicles have
been observed over bases,
548
00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,190
such as Scott Air Force Base.
549
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,860
And that level of intrusiveness
550
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:32,780
is something that we're not
engaged in over Russia and China
551
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:36,870
and surprised unpleasantly
to find occurring here.
552
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,460
‐ [Narrator] A 2001 study
by a UFO research group
553
00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:42,960
founded by space
entrepreneur, Bob Bigelow,
554
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,960
documented reports of triangles
555
00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:48,590
near 50 different Air Force
installations across the U. S.,
556
00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:51,590
including eight sightings
near Scott Air Force Base.
557
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,640
It's a pattern Mellon
finds disturbing.
558
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,140
(ominous music)
559
00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:59,220
(light music)
560
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:03,480
‐ [Eyewitness] I was in shock.
561
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,310
I couldn't believe my eyes.
562
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:09,280
‐ [Eyewitness] It was the
size of a football field.
563
00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,780
‐ [Narrator] From 1983 to 1986,
564
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:16,950
giant triangle‐shaped
craft were repeatedly seen
565
00:24:17,030 --> 00:24:20,960
flying just 50 miles north of
America's most populated city.
566
00:24:22,410 --> 00:24:25,080
‐ [David] We have one of
the highest concentrations
567
00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:26,630
of UFO activity,
568
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:29,630
specifically regarding
these triangular UFOs.
569
00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:33,050
‐ [Narrator] In the early 1980s,
570
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:35,050
New York's Hudson
Valley was the scene
571
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:39,140
of possibly the largest mass
sighting of UFOs in history.
572
00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:40,390
(static crackling)
573
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:45,730
‐ We're very close proximity
to roughly 14 million people.
574
00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:49,940
Absolutely busiest
parts of the country,
575
00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:52,950
both in terms of
avionics, air flights.
576
00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:56,370
‐ This is one of the heaviest
traveled air corridors
577
00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:57,530
within our country.
578
00:24:57,660 --> 00:25:00,700
We have these unusual objects
moving in our airspace.
579
00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:02,830
It begs to be answered.
580
00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:05,620
(soft dramatic music)
581
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:06,830
‐ I'm a retired lieutenant
582
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,210
from the Yorktown
Police Department.
583
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:11,210
This sighting's
burned into my mind.
584
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:14,470
‐ [Narrator] Police
officer, Kevin Soravilla,
585
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:16,680
was one of the first witnesses.
586
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,800
‐ In the spring of 1983,
587
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:21,470
I was on routine
patrol on Route 118.
588
00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:25,730
I observed a large craft
approximately 100 yards
589
00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:27,980
from wingtip to wingtip.
590
00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,940
It then stopped over
the Business District
591
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:33,150
and it made a 45 degree turn
592
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,200
and started to head
westbound along Route 202.
593
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:39,990
‐ So I was taking my
dog out for a walk
594
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:41,160
and all of a sudden,
595
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:43,830
I noticed something
sitting above my head.
596
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,000
‐ I was so in awe
of this object,
597
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080
I couldn't believe
what I was seeing.
598
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:51,750
This craft made no
sound whatsoever
599
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,130
other than a very
slight humming noise.
600
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:57,930
‐ Completely silent, it hovered,
601
00:25:58,010 --> 00:26:03,140
and then it banked immediately
doing a 45 degree turn
602
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:08,520
and shot across, is the only
thing I can say, very fast.
603
00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:11,480
It was gone within a second.
604
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:13,320
(curious music)
605
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,780
‐ When I responded to
the police station,
606
00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:17,740
the phones were
ringing off the hook.
607
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:21,580
Myself, desk officer, and a
highway department employee
608
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,120
went out to the courtyard.
609
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,500
Then, in about five minutes,
610
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:28,460
the craft moved directly above
us, right over our heads,
611
00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:31,630
less than 500 feet in elevation.
612
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:33,170
At this point, I was
totally confused.
613
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:34,960
I had no idea what this was.
614
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:36,970
I didn't know whether it
was maybe a military craft
615
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:39,340
or possibly a UFO.
616
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:42,810
‐ [Narrator] If it
was a military craft,
617
00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:44,100
the most likely source
618
00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:46,810
would be Stewart Air
National Guard Base
619
00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:48,810
in nearby Newburgh, New York.
620
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:51,020
‐ Stewart Air Force
Base is right nearby
621
00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:54,190
and they were housing,
at the time, the C‐5s.
622
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,990
And the C‐5's wingspan
is 220 feet wide.
623
00:26:58,070 --> 00:27:00,320
‐ [Narrator] The
C‐5, seen from below,
624
00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:02,320
could be mistaken
for a triangle.
625
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,660
‐ [Kevin] I directed
the desk officer
626
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:06,160
to call Stewart Airport,
627
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,460
if they had any type
of object on radar.
628
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:10,620
Desk officer got back to me
629
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:14,130
indicating that nothing was
indicated on their radar.
630
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:15,840
‐ [Narrator] Stewart
reported no flights
631
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,710
in or out of the
base that night.
632
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,630
(engines roaring)
633
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,680
(ominous music)
634
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,140
Later, in the fall of 1983,
635
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:28,520
the triangles allegedly returned
to the Hudson Valley area.
636
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,270
This time hovering
over a major highway.
637
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,150
‐ These were so significant
638
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:38,030
that we had multiple
motorists pulling over
639
00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:39,860
off the Taconic Parkway‐
‐ [Chris] Wow!
640
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:42,160
‐ That was literally
causing a traffic jam
641
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,870
because everyone was
getting out of their cars
642
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:46,120
to look at these objects.
643
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,290
‐ When we got near the
object, it was huge.
644
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:53,290
And everybody that was
driving on the Taconic Parkway
645
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:55,500
pulled off to the
side of the road.
646
00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:59,300
‐ The interstate had
come to a complete stop
647
00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:04,550
and I could see about 50, 60
people outside of their cars
648
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,470
looking up above their heads.
649
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520
‐ [Narrator] For Marler, these
sightings are significant
650
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,520
because the witnesses didn't
just report seeing lights,
651
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,310
as with many UFO sightings,
652
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,480
but the clear outline of
a triangle‐shaped craft
653
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:19,150
moving slowly at a hover.
654
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,530
(aircraft warbling)
655
00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:22,740
(gentle music)
656
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:24,990
‐ Definitely triangular in shape
657
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:26,740
and going very, very slowly.
658
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,700
I almost felt I could
almost walk faster than it.
659
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,410
So, so slow.
660
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:35,130
‐ It was in the shape
of a V for Victor.
661
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:39,800
We were thinking, "Was
it extraterrestrial?"
662
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,470
I mean, if it was some
kind of a new spy ship,
663
00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:48,310
what were they doing
hovering over the parkway?
664
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:51,270
‐ [Narrator] But had the
residents of the Hudson Valley
665
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:54,560
mistaken something commonplace
for something extraordinary?
666
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,650
‐ I think that there's
got to be a connection
667
00:28:58,730 --> 00:29:01,820
between what people were
seeing on TV and in films
668
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:04,740
and what they said that
they were seeing in the sky.
669
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:07,160
(soft dramatic music)
670
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,410
‐ [Narrator] Leading UFO
expert, David Clarke,
671
00:29:09,530 --> 00:29:12,660
says civilian witnesses are
often highly susceptible
672
00:29:12,790 --> 00:29:14,290
to cultural influences.
673
00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:18,130
‐ From the 1970s onwards,
you get this increasing trend
674
00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:21,090
for people to see giant
triangular objects
675
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:22,760
or wedge‐shaped objects.
676
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,970
And I think the easiest
place to look for an answer
677
00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:26,300
is popular culture.
678
00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:28,430
Now, the film that I remember
seeing from childhood,
679
00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:30,560
which had a huge
triangular‐shaped or
680
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,430
wedge‐shaped object,
681
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,640
was the very first
"Star Wars" film.
682
00:29:33,770 --> 00:29:35,390
When was that released? 1977.
683
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,650
You get the huge Imperial Star
Destroyer coming into view.
684
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:41,730
Strangely enough, this is
the same period of time
685
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,110
that people start seeing
686
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:46,030
these huge dark
triangular‐shaped objects
687
00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:48,990
with pulsing lights
moving silently
688
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:50,990
across the countryside at night.
689
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,120
(eerie music)
690
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,290
‐ [Narrator] For David Marler,
691
00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:56,620
the volume of sightings,
their consistency,
692
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:59,080
and the craft's alleged
hovering behavior,
693
00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:00,790
coupled with sudden
accelerations
694
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,050
leads him to believe
695
00:30:02,170 --> 00:30:04,510
this was not American
military technology.
696
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:06,340
‐ There are some
unusual characteristics
697
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:09,140
that argue against the
military explanation.
698
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:11,310
You look at that and
in addition to that
699
00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:14,600
the ability to hover and
then rapidly accelerate
700
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,480
and, as many
witnesses have stated,
701
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,150
"Within the blink of an eye,
702
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,270
"it went from one
portion of the sky
703
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,610
"clear over to the other,"
704
00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:22,980
it just doesn't make any
sense from the conventional,
705
00:30:23,070 --> 00:30:25,690
aerodynamic principles.
‐ It's bizarre, it is bizarre.
706
00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:27,700
(mysterious music)
707
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:29,660
‐ [Narrator] David
Marler has delivered
708
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:30,740
crucial new information
709
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:33,950
to Chris Mellon's
triangle investigation.
710
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,830
But Mellon still has questions.
711
00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:38,460
Could the Hudson
Valley mass sighting
712
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:41,130
be of something else
developed by the military?
713
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:44,000
Something so Top Secret
that it might even require
714
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:46,920
covert testing over an
unsuspecting population?
715
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:51,760
(dramatic music)
716
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,810
(eerie music)
717
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:57,180
(digital chirping)
718
00:30:57,270 --> 00:30:58,230
‐ Hey, Lue.
‐ Hey, Chris.
719
00:30:58,350 --> 00:30:59,270
‐ How are ya, man?
‐ Good.
720
00:30:59,350 --> 00:31:00,600
‐ Good to see ya.
721
00:31:00,690 --> 00:31:02,110
‐ [Narrator] Chris Mellon
is debriefing Lue Elizondo
722
00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:05,280
on his investigation
into triangle UFOs.
723
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,570
‐ [Lue] So how did Utah go?
724
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:08,900
‐ Outstanding, met a
gentleman named David Marler,
725
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:12,870
who is a treasure trove
of information on UFOs.
726
00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:19,460
These reports from a former
Army Soldier in the desert
727
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:22,460
to a police department
in Illinois,
728
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:28,970
and find the same precise
description time and time again.
729
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:32,260
Hundreds of cases, at a minimum,
730
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:34,970
the evidence is very
persuasive and compelling.
731
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:36,310
(curious music)
732
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:37,970
‐ [Narrator] Triangles have
been spotted in the skies
733
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:39,480
all over the U. S.
734
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,350
According to eyewitness reports,
735
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,520
they fly low, display
lights in each corner,
736
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:48,320
and are capable of hovering
and instantaneous acceleration
737
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,650
all with little to no sound.
738
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:51,280
‐ It's highly
credible information.
739
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,570
(graphics whooshing)
(static crackling)
740
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:53,990
‐ [Narrator]
Instantaneous acceleration
741
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:55,830
is one of the five observables
742
00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:58,580
identified by Lue Elizondo
while at the Pentagon
743
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:01,540
to track flight
characteristics common to UFOs.
744
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:03,130
‐ These objects fit very neatly
745
00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:04,500
within some of the observables,
746
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:07,420
the five observables
that my program, AATIP,
747
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,800
was able to identify.
748
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,930
And that is first one being
instantaneous acceleration.
749
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:12,840
(graphics beeping)
750
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:14,050
‐ [Narrator] Some speculate
751
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:15,300
that the Hudson
Valley sightings,
752
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:17,470
which occurred 50 miles
north of New York City
753
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680
and were witnessed by
hundreds of civilians,
754
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:22,690
might be explained
by military testing.
755
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:25,560
Chris Mellon wants to
know if the U. S. military
756
00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:28,570
would ever have any reason
to fly a Top Secret plane
757
00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,820
over a heavily
populated civilian area.
758
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,070
‐ The stealth fighter,
the F‐117 Nighthawk,
759
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,490
because of their mission
760
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,370
had to start flying
over populated areas.
761
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:39,620
(engine roaring)
762
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,290
‐ [Narrator] The V‐winged F‐117
763
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:43,290
was designed to
bomb urban areas.
764
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:48,040
So former test flight
engineer, Bill Scott,
765
00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:49,800
says the military
would have good reason
766
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,840
to test it over cities.
767
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,630
‐ Guys flew right over
big city Los Angeles.
768
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,970
At night, they had a
certain way of doing it.
769
00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:01,480
They spaced out each airplane
like six minutes apart.
770
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Sometimes, you wanna see
what the reaction is.
771
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,400
How many reports do we get?
772
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,030
Are the phone lines
and 911 lines flooded?
773
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:12,650
That's great data if
you're developing something
774
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:15,410
that you may wanna use
in an urban environment.
775
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:16,620
(dramatic music)
776
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:17,780
‐ [Narrator] But the
Hudson Valley witnesses
777
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:20,240
didn't describe a
fast‐moving bomber.
778
00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:23,290
They saw a giant,
slow‐moving aircraft,
779
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:25,290
very similar flight
characteristics
780
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:26,500
to what was described
781
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:28,590
by Gulf War veteran, J. T.
782
00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:30,750
‐ It was a triangular formation.
783
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,470
There was absolutely no
noise associated with it.
784
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:36,300
And it was moving so slow,
like a blimp or something.
785
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:39,800
I mean, moving just
that quietly and slowly.
786
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:42,390
‐ [Narrator] Bill Scott says
a military source told him
787
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:44,480
he witnessed something
at Edwards Air Force Base
788
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,310
in the 1980s that
may hold the key,
789
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,770
the test flight of a craft
790
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:51,360
similar to the large
hovering triangle
791
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,650
spotted in the Hudson
Valley and elsewhere.
792
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,200
‐ He watched this
thing slowly climb,
793
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,280
going a little
faster than he was.
794
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,830
He described it as a
very large triangle,
795
00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:05,290
but with very blunt
wingtips and nose.
796
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:07,830
And he said it was
kinda thick, too.
797
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,790
And we're pretty certain
798
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920
that it was part of
a new type of vehicle
799
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,430
that we called a near‐neutral
buoyancy, rigid‐hull airship.
800
00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:19,180
‐ [Narrator] Rigid hull airships
801
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,390
are similar to the
Zeppelins of old.
802
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:23,100
Powered by hydrogen gas,
803
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:25,980
but reimagined with
incredible new technology.
804
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:26,690
(static crackles)
805
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:28,140
During the war in Afghanistan,
806
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:30,810
the U. S. Air Force
spent $200 million
807
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:34,570
to develop a recognizance
airship called the Blue Devil.
808
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:36,570
It was outfitted with
sensors, cameras,
809
00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:38,030
and listening devices.
810
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,490
The program was
scrapped in 2012.
811
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:43,030
(film reel clicks)
(static crackles)
812
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000
The original airships of last
century may have blimp‐shaped,
813
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,290
but the rigid‐hull
airship design
814
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:51,210
described to Bill
Scott was triangular.
815
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:52,130
(static crackles)
816
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:53,300
‐ What would it be good for?
817
00:34:53,420 --> 00:34:55,880
Well, it could be a
very stealthy vehicle.
818
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:58,930
So the best guess,
and that's all it was,
819
00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:01,300
was that maybe these
were vehicles being used
820
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:03,010
by the Special Ops guys.
821
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,140
They could get 'em
in behind the lines
822
00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:07,480
and not be detected and get out.
823
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,640
(static crackles)
824
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:10,150
‐ [Narrator] These new
airships could carry
825
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:12,520
large numbers of
troops and equipment
826
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:14,400
and were designed to
fly nearly silently
827
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,940
under the cover of night
to avoid detection.
828
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:19,990
They could account for
some triangle sightings,
829
00:35:20,110 --> 00:35:21,570
but can it explain them all?
830
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:26,660
(intense music)
831
00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:30,540
‐ [Narrator] The trail
of triangular UFOs
832
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:34,540
has led Chris Mellon to
the Canyonlands of Utah
833
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,340
and to investigate mass
sightings in Illinois
834
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:39,470
and New York.
835
00:35:39,590 --> 00:35:40,630
(graphics beeping)
836
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,140
Now, he wants to
see if his partners
837
00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:44,220
can help him put the pieces
of the puzzle together.
838
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,850
(suspenseful music)
839
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:51,690
Jim Semivan is a former
CIA Operations officer.
840
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,610
Steve Justice helped run
Lockeed Martin's Skunk Works,
841
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:58,530
which built some of America's
most advanced warplanes,
842
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:02,610
like the SR‐71
Blackbird and F‐117.
843
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:03,990
‐ Would you agree
844
00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:05,950
that it would be extremely
difficult to hide this?
845
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:08,830
‐ If it's as large as
what they're describing,
846
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:09,830
yeah, it's just
that much harder.
847
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:11,080
‐ [Jim] Okay.
848
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,790
‐ [Narrator] The team is
tackling the central question
849
00:36:12,830 --> 00:36:15,040
at the core of
Mellon's investigation,
850
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:17,960
are triangle UFOs the
work of a long‐running,
851
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:19,960
still classified
government program?
852
00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:22,470
(suspenseful music)
853
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:27,310
‐ Early days of Stealth,
there were just tons of rumors
854
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:31,770
of something going on before
the airplane showed up.
855
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:33,980
And so it's not unprecedented.
856
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:37,610
‐ You're intimately familiar
with tests and development
857
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:39,940
of cutting‐edge
stealth aircraft.
858
00:36:40,030 --> 00:36:42,780
When we look at the
pattern of observations
859
00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:45,370
of these triangles,
in the United States,
860
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:46,780
the continental United States,
861
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:51,120
in and around municipal
areas, urban areas,
862
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,790
is that the kind of thing we do?
863
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:54,580
‐ The testing that
I'm familiar with,
864
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:58,090
we were restricted
to test areas.
865
00:36:58,170 --> 00:37:01,050
The pattern of behaviors
of these things
866
00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:04,720
just makes no sense to me
from a test standpoint.
867
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,140
‐ Why would you want this thing
flying over populated areas,
868
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:12,600
which they have, and over
military bases, which they have?
869
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,640
Why would you want to
expose your technology?
870
00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:16,270
‐ Right, so if you're trying
to keep something secret,
871
00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:18,610
why would you fly it over a
major populated U. S. city?
872
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:20,150
‐ It doesn't make any
sense that it's ours.
873
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:23,570
There's a social aspect and
a legal aspect of this, too.
874
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:24,990
So you're driving home.
875
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:27,490
You're with Mom and Pop and
two kids in the backseat
876
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:29,160
and all of a
sudden, at 200 feet,
877
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,120
a massive triangle
comes over your head
878
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,460
and scares the living daylights
out of everybody in the car.
879
00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:37,290
How would they
possibly justify that?
880
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:38,460
‐ [Chris] Right.
881
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:39,840
‐ [Narrator] The group
of former insiders
882
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920
is unanimous in their belief
the U. S. military wouldn't test
883
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:47,300
highly sensitive experimental
planes over civilian areas.
884
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:48,850
But Mellon's
investigation discovered
885
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:50,970
another possible explanation,
886
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,680
an airship designed
for the War on Terror.
887
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:57,350
‐ The slow speed, the
relative silent nature
888
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,860
that these things are traveling,
889
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,650
could it be some sort
of semi‐rigid airship
890
00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:02,980
that we're seeing?
891
00:38:03,110 --> 00:38:06,200
Are they capable of accelerating
in the way that people‐
892
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,700
‐ No, no.
‐ Some people are describing?
893
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:11,910
‐ No, no, these are giant
lumbering elephants.
894
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,750
‐ These triangular aircraft,
whatever these are,
895
00:38:14,830 --> 00:38:19,630
have the ability to float
silently like a balloon
896
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:22,710
and then, all of a sudden,
now they've achieved
897
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,760
this incredible acceleration
and hypersonic velocities
898
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,800
and are absolutely gone.
899
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:31,470
‐ [Narrator] With the alleged
ability to hover silently
900
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,310
and then instantly
achieve hypersonic speeds,
901
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:35,480
the team concludes
902
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,810
triangles defy any known
aviation technology.
903
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,820
‐ They typically have a
configuration of lights,
904
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:43,860
one in each corner and one
in the middle underneath.
905
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:46,530
The one in the middle
underneath is often red.
906
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:47,650
(air whooshing)
907
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:48,820
‐ [Narrator] The
three cornered lights
908
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:50,740
were found in each case
Mellon investigated,
909
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:53,120
from the recent sighting in Utah
910
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,870
to the Hudson Valley
40 years earlier.
911
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:58,290
He believes these
lights are key,
912
00:38:58,370 --> 00:39:02,130
permitting detailed and
triangulated data collection.
913
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:03,460
(mysterious music)
914
00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:06,170
‐ Why would you build and
operate a craft in that manner?
915
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:10,260
Why would you want something
that large that flies that low
916
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:14,930
and flies slow, has
that triangular shape?
917
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:20,190
If you wanted to map a
surface in exquisite detail,
918
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:22,980
you'd fly low, you'd fly slow.
919
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:25,320
‐ [Narrator] For Mellon, a
mapping operation would be
920
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,280
at the center of any potential
recognizance mission.
921
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,870
‐ Triangulation is a
way to measure things
922
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:34,330
in extraordinary detail.
923
00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:38,080
And if it's really as
advanced as it appears to be,
924
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,790
it might be able to
collect information
925
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:42,790
for not only what's on
the surface below it,
926
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,130
but perhaps the subsurface.
927
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:48,760
It might collect on the
wiring, the plumbing, the 3‐D.
928
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,430
‐ Well, Chris, we
call it triangulation
929
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:51,800
because exactly that.
930
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:54,760
You're using three points,
data collection points,
931
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:56,760
to collect pinpoint
accuracy on a point.
932
00:39:56,850 --> 00:39:59,640
‐ Exactly, so I don't
believe these are ours.
933
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:03,020
(dramatic music)
934
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:06,980
I am hopeful that we can make
headway in discovering where
935
00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:09,490
at least some of these
things are coming from
936
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:11,610
and how they work.
937
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,240
(light music)
938
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:16,620
‐ [Narrator] After investigating
939
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:18,700
multiple sightings of triangles,
940
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,370
Mellon has urgent new questions.
941
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,580
Are the mysterious vessels
on recognizance missions?
942
00:40:24,670 --> 00:40:25,750
And if they are,
943
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,460
what are the national
security ramifications?
944
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:32,010
‐ [Chris] One of the
lessons of history is,
945
00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:34,140
when you detect a
potential threat,
946
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:37,220
you need to pay attention
and investigate it.
947
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:41,890
When Cortés landed in
Mexico in the 1500s,
948
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:45,480
he was viewed as
potentially the fulfillment
949
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,690
of an ancient Aztec prophecy
and possibly as a god.
950
00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:53,030
But, unfortunately
for the Aztecs,
951
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:56,200
they didn't take the
trouble to investigate,
952
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,370
to understand a potential
threat, a potential adversary.
953
00:40:59,450 --> 00:41:02,250
And they lost
everything as a result.
954
00:41:02,330 --> 00:41:03,460
(dramatic music)
955
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:07,790
It's a matter of trying to
help the people in government
956
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,800
understand that this is
something that is real
957
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,510
and needs to be taken seriously.
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