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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:20,186 It's 5:00 a.m. 2 00:00:21,646 --> 00:00:23,440 I'm in bed, sleeping... 3 00:00:25,608 --> 00:00:28,987 ...and my phone vibrates telling me I've got a Facebook message. 4 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:32,365 So, I pick up my phone, 5 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:34,451 and I look at it, and it says, "Hey, 6 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:36,536 there's this new video on the Internet, 7 00:00:36,911 --> 00:00:39,039 and I think you might want to look at it. 8 00:00:39,164 --> 00:00:42,042 I think it's that guy Luka you've been looking for." 9 00:00:42,208 --> 00:00:44,002 So, it's got my attention, 10 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:47,297 and I'm thinking, "Oh, great, another cat killing video." 11 00:00:52,969 --> 00:00:54,471 It opens a browser. 12 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:56,639 I see a video, 13 00:00:56,848 --> 00:00:57,974 and I press "Play." 14 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:04,481 In the previous videos, the object on the bed were cats. 15 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:07,233 In this video, it was an actual person. 16 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:13,740 And I'm, like, "What the fuck?" 17 00:01:15,658 --> 00:01:17,994 At this point, I am fully awake, 18 00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:19,662 my heart is pounding. 19 00:01:19,746 --> 00:01:22,332 I immediately jump out of bed, 20 00:01:23,416 --> 00:01:26,044 run to my computer, and turn it on. 21 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:28,588 "Come on, computer. Let's go, let's go, let's go." 22 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:40,558 Now I'm watching it on my large monitor, and I've got it full-screen. 23 00:01:42,852 --> 00:01:44,312 Holy shit! 24 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:52,070 I had just woken up... 25 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:57,075 ...and John Green had sent a Facebook link. 26 00:02:06,626 --> 00:02:07,626 And I'm like... 27 00:02:12,215 --> 00:02:14,008 "What the fuck is happening?" 28 00:02:14,175 --> 00:02:16,761 I didn't... I didn't know what to... I... 29 00:02:17,804 --> 00:02:19,305 I don't even know what to say. 30 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:22,058 Well, we told them this would happen. 31 00:02:22,517 --> 00:02:23,977 And they didn't believe us. 32 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:25,854 And now we're looking at a dead person. 33 00:02:29,691 --> 00:02:31,901 I've been a police officer for over 23 years. 34 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:33,945 It's the first time I've seen something like this. 35 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:36,447 A twisted story that keeps twisting... 36 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:39,742 A receptionist opened the blood-soaked box 37 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:40,869 and found a severed foot. 38 00:02:43,955 --> 00:02:47,208 What they saw, they described as something out of a horror film. 39 00:02:48,042 --> 00:02:50,020 This is somebody who was able to execute 40 00:02:50,044 --> 00:02:51,629 a very, very well laid-out plan. 41 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:55,049 I mean, it plays out like a slasher movie. 42 00:02:55,884 --> 00:02:59,429 He was clearly someone who wanted this bizarre form of notoriety. 43 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:02,182 And he actually put things on the Internet. 44 00:03:03,892 --> 00:03:06,144 What did you see in that video? 45 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:08,521 There was moments that aren't even speakable. 46 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:12,817 This man does not have a lot of friends. Not many who have surfaced, anyway. 47 00:03:13,985 --> 00:03:15,671 Public enemy number one. 48 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:17,631 How hard is it going to be to track him down? 49 00:03:17,655 --> 00:03:19,365 How dangerous is this man? 50 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:21,826 How careful should people be right across the globe? 51 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,954 Well, he is a master of disguise. He likes to... 52 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:27,832 ...possibly disguised as a woman. 53 00:03:28,833 --> 00:03:32,670 Interpol issued a worldwide arrest warrant for first-degree murder. 54 00:03:33,963 --> 00:03:35,643 Tonight there are accusations 55 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:39,677 that online evidence of a twisted mind was ignored by police. 56 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:42,305 And he even posted these horrific videos 57 00:03:43,097 --> 00:03:46,059 of him allegedly torturing and killing cats. 58 00:03:55,443 --> 00:03:58,863 The video was called "1 Lunatic, 1 Ice Pick." 59 00:04:10,458 --> 00:04:13,711 The video starts off with a guy tied up to the bed. 60 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:20,843 And then, um... 61 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:25,682 the per... The suspect sort of... 62 00:04:26,182 --> 00:04:28,268 checks on him and, you know, 63 00:04:29,018 --> 00:04:31,980 pets his face a little bit, loving on him a little bit. 64 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:36,693 And the camera is picked up now by the suspect. 65 00:04:37,443 --> 00:04:39,821 We see the victim's face. 66 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:43,866 And then it cuts to a different angle. 67 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:45,827 So, the suspect comes up. 68 00:04:46,077 --> 00:04:48,037 He's got something in his hand, uh... 69 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:52,000 some sort of stabby tool, ice pick kind of looking thing. 70 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:56,754 And the suspect just starts stabbing and stabbing and stabbing, 71 00:04:56,838 --> 00:04:58,464 and the stabbing does not stop. 72 00:04:58,548 --> 00:05:00,925 It goes on and on and on and on. 73 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:02,843 Um... 74 00:05:03,052 --> 00:05:05,052 At about eight minutes in, 75 00:05:05,096 --> 00:05:06,681 eight minutes, ten seconds or so in, 76 00:05:06,764 --> 00:05:08,933 there's a dog, a little puppy introduced. 77 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:10,935 It's a little black-and-white dog. 78 00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:14,901 And it's just really sad and... 79 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:16,941 you start to wonder, 80 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:20,320 like, what the kind of person that could do this to another person. 81 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:24,656 And, um... 82 00:05:29,537 --> 00:05:31,164 It's hard to watch that. 83 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:37,503 And... 84 00:05:48,222 --> 00:05:50,975 The rest of the video is... It's hard to describe. 85 00:05:51,642 --> 00:05:52,727 It's haunting. 86 00:05:56,522 --> 00:05:58,566 So I watched the video entirely, 87 00:05:59,150 --> 00:06:00,193 over and over again, 88 00:06:00,735 --> 00:06:02,403 probably 20 times that day, 89 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:06,616 but every time I keep watching it, for some reason, my mind... 90 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:09,202 doesn't want to believe it's true. 91 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:16,584 So, we start doing what we normally do. 92 00:06:17,543 --> 00:06:21,589 We start analyzing this murder video, and we're trying to look for information 93 00:06:21,672 --> 00:06:23,841 that we could say that, "Yes, this is Luka." 94 00:06:35,436 --> 00:06:38,731 So, first thing, it's very Luka-esque in style. 95 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,693 The suspect pets him, kind of loves on him a little bit. 96 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:45,154 Very much like the kitten videos. 97 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:48,366 Because that's what Luka did. Luka loved on his victims. 98 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:51,450 The song that's playing in the background... 99 00:06:58,543 --> 00:07:00,503 It's actually a song called "True Faith." 100 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:03,673 Luka had used that song before 101 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:07,009 in some of his picture montages that he had posted on YouTube. 102 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:15,017 Certainly, we were worried about the human being that he had just killed. 103 00:07:15,852 --> 00:07:17,895 but why the dog? 104 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:19,889 What's going on with the dog? 105 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:24,861 Because we didn't catch him for the kitten killing videos, 106 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:28,614 we started thinking the dog was a message to us. 107 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:31,742 "I got away with it, and I'm doing this now. 108 00:07:31,826 --> 00:07:35,329 And this is... I'm graduating on to, you know, a human. 109 00:07:35,997 --> 00:07:39,292 Um, this dog is here as just an homage to my past." 110 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:41,294 And a message to us, you know? 111 00:07:41,836 --> 00:07:42,836 "Fuck you." 112 00:07:43,045 --> 00:07:44,755 So now... 113 00:07:45,465 --> 00:07:47,091 I know this is Luka. 114 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:50,219 I don't even have to see the person. I know it's Luka. 115 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:53,431 The problem that we ran into was that we couldn't prove, 116 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:55,349 like, the address of where it happened. 117 00:07:56,476 --> 00:08:00,897 We know he was in Toronto when he made the kitten killing videos, 118 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:03,774 but we didn't know if he was there now, 119 00:08:03,858 --> 00:08:05,943 and we didn't know if the video was filmed there. 120 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:08,112 So, we don't have jurisdiction. 121 00:08:08,446 --> 00:08:11,199 So as far as the police are concerned, as the law is concerned, 122 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:13,618 this is Internet, you know, hoo-ha. 123 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:20,249 So, the only contact that we had was with our detective 124 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:22,001 at the Toronto Police Department. 125 00:08:23,127 --> 00:08:25,087 So we contacted him. 126 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:28,841 "We've just come across this new video. 127 00:08:28,925 --> 00:08:30,635 It shows a dead body. 128 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:34,347 We are pretty sure it's Luka in the video who's committed the crime. 129 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:35,640 I need you to look at this." 130 00:08:37,099 --> 00:08:39,519 And I'm thinking, "Great, he's gonna do something." 131 00:08:41,938 --> 00:08:45,441 So now at this point, I think I've done everything I can. 132 00:08:46,776 --> 00:08:49,237 Sooner or later, there's gonna be some breaking news 133 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,113 that a body has been found. 134 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:00,248 I had set up a Google alert. 135 00:09:01,624 --> 00:09:04,919 So we were just kind of on edge waiting for something. 136 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:10,299 We were waiting for a ping of some kind on the radar. 137 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:15,888 A day goes by. No response. 138 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:22,645 We were just kind of sitting back, going, 139 00:09:24,438 --> 00:09:27,066 "Well, there hasn't been news yet." You know, "Is there news yet?" 140 00:09:27,608 --> 00:09:29,360 "Why hadn't they found a body yet?" 141 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:33,656 We didn't know what he was gonna do next, 142 00:09:34,615 --> 00:09:38,536 so we felt we had a ticking time bomb on our hands, 143 00:09:38,619 --> 00:09:40,705 and we wanted it to stop. 144 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,423 I'm scared to death. "Is he going to come after me now? 145 00:09:50,506 --> 00:09:51,506 He knows who I am. 146 00:09:51,757 --> 00:09:52,967 He knows where I work." 147 00:09:53,634 --> 00:09:54,760 It was terrifying. 148 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:01,601 We start thinking... Well, I start thinking, 149 00:10:01,684 --> 00:10:04,854 maybe the murder video wasn't made in Toronto. 150 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:07,315 It could've been made anywhere in the world. 151 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:09,734 And then I remembered... 152 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:13,779 the video that was made three months prior, 153 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:15,364 before the murder happened. 154 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:20,161 Luka likes to make videos about himself. 155 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:22,330 He's very narcissistic. 156 00:10:22,413 --> 00:10:23,581 He's very vain. 157 00:10:23,664 --> 00:10:26,167 And we need to scan all these videos, 158 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:28,544 even though it's just the worst thing in the world. 159 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:31,964 But you gotta sit through them because there could be a new picture. 160 00:10:32,923 --> 00:10:34,717 Deanna messaged me, 161 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,095 and she was like, "Hey, I found this new YouTube video of Luka. 162 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:39,179 I want you to watch it." 163 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:43,392 And about halfway through the video, 164 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:45,686 I notice a photo that I've never seen. 165 00:10:47,521 --> 00:10:50,274 And I said, "Are you talking about the photo of him 166 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:52,568 in front of the rock steps?" She goes, "Yes." 167 00:10:53,361 --> 00:10:55,130 So, there are a few really important things 168 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,280 about this picture. 169 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:58,574 Number one, the trees. 170 00:10:58,949 --> 00:11:02,745 The foliage on the trees was still kind of sprouting, 171 00:11:02,828 --> 00:11:04,789 so it was like the beginning of spring. 172 00:11:05,706 --> 00:11:08,292 So I knew, this was recent, this was relevant. 173 00:11:08,709 --> 00:11:11,879 The second thing that was important were the pedestrian lights. 174 00:11:12,755 --> 00:11:14,173 They were very unique. 175 00:11:14,256 --> 00:11:15,758 They didn't look like Toronto. 176 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,051 They were black. 177 00:11:17,134 --> 00:11:19,053 I know the ones in Toronto are yellow. 178 00:11:19,303 --> 00:11:20,638 Uh, they were square. 179 00:11:36,153 --> 00:11:37,153 Then, boom. 180 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:40,116 So, my hairs immediately went up on my neck. 181 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:42,535 Oh, my God. Okay, maybe he went to Montreal. 182 00:11:46,247 --> 00:11:48,332 And we just opened up Google Maps 183 00:11:48,874 --> 00:11:51,836 and started walking down the streets digitally. 184 00:11:54,922 --> 00:11:57,007 And we're literally going through the Street View 185 00:11:57,091 --> 00:12:00,428 and going step by step by step down the street. 186 00:12:02,596 --> 00:12:05,975 And so I'm going down one street, she's going down another street. 187 00:12:06,058 --> 00:12:08,853 I'm going down this street, she's going down another street. 188 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:11,731 I'm going down this street, she's going down another street. 189 00:12:14,692 --> 00:12:16,235 Then all of a sudden, 190 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:18,779 I go, "Holy shit. 191 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,954 There's the stairs, right there." 192 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:36,338 And it was in the McGill University in downtown Montreal. 193 00:12:36,672 --> 00:12:39,717 So, we had placed him in Montreal. 194 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,443 So now we gotta start looking at Montreal, 195 00:12:45,473 --> 00:12:47,683 and it's a place that we had never dealt with before. 196 00:12:53,022 --> 00:12:54,899 It's a totally different province. 197 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:58,694 Different jurisdiction, different police, different everything. 198 00:12:59,028 --> 00:13:01,322 This was gonna take even more time to, 199 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:04,074 you know, establish credibility with the Montreal police now 200 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:06,410 because we're just Internet nerds. 201 00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:47,868 So, this is the back of our building, 202 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:50,287 at 5720 Decarie. 203 00:13:51,747 --> 00:13:54,500 It was Tuesday morning. I came downstairs. 204 00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:57,878 By the time I start taking out the garbage, I don't know, 205 00:13:57,962 --> 00:13:59,880 it was about maybe nine, 9:30. 206 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:02,842 And when I was pulling it out, 207 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:06,178 that's when I noticed a suitcase that was sitting on the side. 208 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:09,557 But I found it suspicious because there was a lock on it. 209 00:14:09,723 --> 00:14:12,434 Why is there a lock on an old suitcase? 210 00:14:12,935 --> 00:14:14,937 Who would throw this in the garbage? 211 00:14:15,312 --> 00:14:19,817 And that's when I saw the maggots were coming out of the top of the hole. 212 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:23,112 So I figured somebody... 213 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,698 their dog died or their cat died or something, 214 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:27,741 and they didn't know what to do with it. 215 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,243 But I got curious, 216 00:14:29,952 --> 00:14:31,620 so I decided to open it. 217 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:50,139 It was 10:15 a.m. that morning 218 00:14:50,973 --> 00:14:52,516 when 911 was called. 219 00:14:57,605 --> 00:15:00,774 That first day, when the first call came in at the office, 220 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:04,278 actually, we thought it would be a short investigation, 221 00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:07,531 but it didn't turn out quite that way. 222 00:15:10,868 --> 00:15:12,411 Somebody found a gray suitcase 223 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:16,999 at 5720 Decarie Street. 224 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,503 Upon arrival, there was already... 225 00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:23,129 red tape. 226 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:30,429 The suitcase in question was placed in the back alley of the building. 227 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:42,775 The smell, first of all, 228 00:15:43,275 --> 00:15:45,152 it was devastating. 229 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:49,198 There was many, many, many flies, 230 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:51,492 and there were worms. 231 00:15:54,119 --> 00:15:55,913 So, we quickly put up the tent, 232 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:58,374 so we could open it up. 233 00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:07,174 So the forensic, um, officer proceeded to open the suitcase. 234 00:16:07,508 --> 00:16:10,678 Immediately, what we saw is, first of all, 235 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:13,555 it was a male, a white male. 236 00:16:14,056 --> 00:16:15,056 Um... 237 00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:16,684 the arms were cut off, 238 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:18,560 uh, the legs were cut off, 239 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,688 and the head was cut off, 240 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,816 and he was punctured many times 241 00:16:24,441 --> 00:16:26,819 in the abdomen region. 242 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:28,653 And... 243 00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:31,407 at that point, I'm asking myself, 244 00:16:32,032 --> 00:16:33,909 "What kind of a person could do this?" 245 00:16:38,747 --> 00:16:41,458 But somebody must have tipped off the media 246 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:43,252 because they arrived very quickly. 247 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,770 So finally, a ping. 248 00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:05,649 And the first thing I see is a police tent. 249 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:09,028 Open up the link... 250 00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:11,488 and it said... 251 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:15,284 "Torso found in luggage in Montreal." 252 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:16,994 Holy shit! 253 00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:21,391 So, there was a small lock. We cut it. We opened it up, 254 00:17:21,415 --> 00:17:24,334 and there was a torso with no head. 255 00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:26,545 And I was like, "Fuck, they found it." 256 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:35,596 We're, as a group, watching this all unfold before us, like, 257 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:38,390 "Holy shit, this is really real." 258 00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:40,851 It was no longer a game of online. 259 00:17:40,934 --> 00:17:42,311 This was real-world. 260 00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:45,689 The identity is not confirmed yet, but we know something for a fact. 261 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:48,192 This is a male, uh, a white male. 262 00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:54,007 I mean, we tried to contact the Toronto police 263 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:55,311 before they even found the body. 264 00:17:56,825 --> 00:17:58,035 And, sure as shit, 265 00:17:58,452 --> 00:17:59,828 this has fucking happened. 266 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:03,332 Everything that we said was gonna happen, it's done. He did it. 267 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:09,004 So obviously, we contacted the Montreal Police Department. 268 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:13,008 We had all this information to give them, 269 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:16,470 but they were not responding to us at all. 270 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:19,264 At one point, on Twitter, 271 00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:28,649 I got very vocal with them and angry and I kinda went off. You know, like... 272 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:35,072 "There's people out here that could be in danger, 273 00:18:35,155 --> 00:18:36,657 and you're fucking ignoring me. 274 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:39,910 I've got all this shit to give you." 275 00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:48,335 And I let them have it, and nobody even responded to me at all. 276 00:18:49,419 --> 00:18:51,588 Maybe they were just so busy with their investigation 277 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:55,050 they didn't have time to deal with these Internet nerds. 278 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,427 We don't have any credibility. 279 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:13,569 Behind the suitcase, there were many garbage bags. 280 00:19:14,444 --> 00:19:16,738 In total, there were 33 bags. 281 00:19:18,031 --> 00:19:21,034 But I noticed a red-brownish substance 282 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:24,163 that was dripping down under the trash bags. 283 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:26,290 I had the feeling it was blood. 284 00:19:27,749 --> 00:19:30,586 We started going through the bags one by one. 285 00:19:32,212 --> 00:19:33,797 We found one wine bottle. 286 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,510 There was a poster that was all crumpled up. 287 00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,764 Also, a yellow T-shirt. 288 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:47,352 We found a dead puppy in the bag. 289 00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:50,189 Black-and-white dead puppy. 290 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:54,484 Finally, in one of the garbage bags, we found something. 291 00:19:56,153 --> 00:19:58,447 Blankets stained with blood. 292 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,992 Okay, we hit the spot here. 293 00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:04,828 We found papers. 294 00:20:05,787 --> 00:20:07,956 A driver's license from Ontario. 295 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,504 A receipt from a pharmacy 296 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,798 and both of them had a name on it: 297 00:20:17,466 --> 00:20:19,092 Luka Rocco Magnotta. 298 00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:21,553 I don't have a clue who this person is. 299 00:20:21,637 --> 00:20:23,680 I never heard that name before. 300 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,475 And I do have an address on the receipt... 301 00:20:27,267 --> 00:20:31,688 5720 Decarie Street, apartment 208. 302 00:20:32,731 --> 00:20:37,527 So now I'm concluding that what is in the trash, 303 00:20:37,611 --> 00:20:41,281 what is in the suitcase, comes from apartment 208, 304 00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:45,410 and it's probably Luka Rocco Magnotta that has been killed. 305 00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:51,750 So, I sent off a police officer... 306 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:55,545 to check, not to search the apartment, 307 00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,589 but just to make a check. 308 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:33,542 But there was nothing. It was clean. 309 00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:37,879 There was basic furniture. 310 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,007 On the table, there was... 311 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,175 a bottle of lemon juice. 312 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:46,555 A bed with a brown sheet. 313 00:21:49,349 --> 00:21:52,144 But the police officer was suspicious... 314 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:57,441 because he said, "It smells like chemicals." 315 00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:02,154 But there was nobody inside the apartment, so the apartment was shut back down... 316 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:07,034 because we must have a warrant to search the apartment. 317 00:22:20,255 --> 00:22:23,342 My supervisors informed me that there was a torso that was found 318 00:22:23,425 --> 00:22:25,886 in a suitcase and my presence was requested 319 00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:27,471 at the Decarie building. 320 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,099 I spoke to the administrator of the building 321 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:33,393 to confirm that there were security cameras. 322 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,581 And he confirmed that there were two cameras in the building. 323 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,441 There was a, uh, security camera 324 00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:42,285 at the front of the building, so you can see people coming in and out. 325 00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:58,668 And a camera in the basement, where people bring their garbage. 326 00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:05,008 Considering that the janitor had said that the suitcase was in the alleyway 327 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,885 before he took the garbage out, 328 00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:09,346 we knew that that was a good starting point. 329 00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:13,058 So, we started to look at the images within that time frame 330 00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:15,727 to see if we could see the person who put the luggage there. 331 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:35,205 We were able to see an individual 332 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:39,292 on the 25th of May at approximately 2:47 in the morning, 333 00:23:40,127 --> 00:23:42,379 putting things in the garbage and leaving. 334 00:23:42,462 --> 00:23:44,172 A young man in his late 20s, 335 00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:47,384 wearing a yellow T-shirt. 336 00:23:48,301 --> 00:23:50,053 What was really odd about this individual 337 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:52,097 was that, first of all, it's early in the morning, 338 00:23:52,180 --> 00:23:53,640 after 2:00 a.m., 339 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:55,225 when most people are sleeping. 340 00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:58,854 Usually, I would imagine that if you're going to the garbage, 341 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:01,481 you'd grab a garbage bag and do one trip. 342 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,733 But this individual was doing it repeatedly. 343 00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,905 This time, it's 4:02 in the morning, so he must have made at least 20 trips. 344 00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:15,787 I was still going through the trashes. 345 00:24:17,164 --> 00:24:21,668 We found a screwdriver painted with metal-color gray paint, 346 00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:26,131 modified to look like... maybe like an ice pick. 347 00:24:27,215 --> 00:24:28,508 We found a knife... 348 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:33,346 but there was pieces of skin and blood on it. 349 00:24:34,681 --> 00:24:35,974 We found a saw... 350 00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:40,812 and then finally, body parts. 351 00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:44,441 We found the legs 352 00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:46,276 and the arms. 353 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:51,031 But there was something that was very curious. 354 00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:52,449 There were no hands, 355 00:24:52,908 --> 00:24:54,701 no feet, no head. 356 00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:57,329 Those parts were missing. 357 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,377 And we were all asking ourselves, what's going to happen next? 358 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:15,180 Good evening, we begin tonight with developing and sinister news 359 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:16,640 from the nation's capital, 360 00:25:16,723 --> 00:25:20,018 where police are investigating two mysterious packages 361 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:23,355 addressed to the headquarters of the Conservative Party. 362 00:25:25,899 --> 00:25:28,944 A receptionist opened the blood-soaked box 363 00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:30,820 and found a severed foot. 364 00:25:38,245 --> 00:25:41,623 My head was spinning at that point. I was like, "Wow, 365 00:25:42,123 --> 00:25:44,626 what are we going through at this point now?" 366 00:25:45,835 --> 00:25:48,797 The left foot was wrapped in a pink silk paper. 367 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:51,341 And opening the silk paper, 368 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:52,425 there was a note. 369 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,053 Actually, it was a poem. 370 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:57,889 "Roses are red. 371 00:25:58,181 --> 00:25:59,224 Violets are blue. 372 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,184 Police will need... 373 00:26:01,851 --> 00:26:05,188 dental file to identify you. Bitch." 374 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:09,859 Right now, we have major crime investigators 375 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:11,027 investigating this. 376 00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,990 Okay? At this point, that's all I can tell you. 377 00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:19,578 This is basically the prime minister of Canada 378 00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:22,622 that you're sending fucking human feet to. 379 00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:25,917 This is a big deal. 380 00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:29,921 This is the ultimate... 381 00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:31,965 just, "Fuck you, 382 00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:34,593 I want attention. This is gonna be big news." 383 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:39,222 Police say that parcels containing the victim's other limbs 384 00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:43,226 are likely to have been posted to other offices across the country. 385 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,563 He is going to get the attention of the world now on him. 386 00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:48,314 Um... 387 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,441 You just... 388 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:52,276 You're... 389 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:54,738 Putting myself back in that state, 390 00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:56,615 and how I'm talking right now is how I was. 391 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,241 I was all over the place. 392 00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:01,077 And I think anybody would be. 393 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:03,663 I don't think anybody on this planet would be mentally prepared 394 00:27:03,747 --> 00:27:04,998 for something like that. 395 00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:09,544 You work so hard 396 00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:12,964 to prevent something from happening, and then it happens. 397 00:27:15,675 --> 00:27:19,095 And then you wonder, "Did I push too hard?" 398 00:27:23,558 --> 00:27:27,062 You know, "Did... did I not do enough? Did I not do enough?" 399 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:28,730 "Oh, honey, you did enough. 400 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,273 Like, did you do too much? 401 00:27:31,066 --> 00:27:35,612 Did you egg him on and give him the attention he wanted, 402 00:27:35,695 --> 00:27:39,032 and it was like a drug? It just stopped being enough for him. 403 00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:40,784 Did he need more attention?" 404 00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:45,246 You go through the spectrum of blame, 405 00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:46,789 blaming yourself. 406 00:27:48,416 --> 00:27:50,919 And it makes you sick, and your stomach hurts, 407 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,213 and you're throwing up, and you're not eating. 408 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:56,466 I just want to curl up in my bed with my dogs 409 00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:58,051 and watch bad reality TV. 410 00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:01,846 So, I needed to go off-grid. 411 00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:26,955 After hearing the news that a left foot had been received 412 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:29,916 at the Conservative office in Ottawa, 413 00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:31,584 I was immediately dispatched 414 00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:33,336 to a post office here in Montreal, 415 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,797 which was about ten minutes away from the Decarie building. 416 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,174 On this package, there was a bar code, 417 00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:42,429 so we were able to identify the post office 418 00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:45,640 which had sent off this package. 419 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:49,686 So, this is it. 420 00:28:50,353 --> 00:28:51,730 This is the pharmacy, 421 00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:55,400 and the post office is located within this pharmacy. 422 00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:05,160 So, I told the pharmacy manager 423 00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:07,704 that I needed to see some security footage... 424 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,166 from the approximate time 425 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:13,543 in which this package would've been sent. 426 00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:25,888 And he's scrolling back and forth, back and forth. 427 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,366 And then I tell him, "Stop right there." 428 00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:33,563 We see an individual, 429 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,443 standing in line, 430 00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:42,071 and in his hands, he has the package. 431 00:29:42,363 --> 00:29:44,365 I just looked at my partner that was with me, 432 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,493 and he looked at me, and we knew, like, 433 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:47,911 this is the same person 434 00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:52,499 that we saw in the basement of the Decarie building. 435 00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:54,459 A hundred percent, the same person. 436 00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:59,214 At that point, we knew that this was our suspect. 437 00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:01,257 So now we had to identify him. 438 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,843 I asked the manager if he had any documentation 439 00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:07,847 which corroborated and validated the sending-off of this package. 440 00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:10,767 The documentation that supported his transaction 441 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:12,769 was signed by an individual called Rocco. 442 00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:17,482 He also informed me that there was two packages. 443 00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:19,526 Not one package, but two packages, 444 00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:20,901 to my surprise. 445 00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:27,367 I've never seen anything like it before. 446 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:30,119 I thought things like this just happened in movies. 447 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:32,348 Call it grotesque, bizarre, 448 00:30:32,372 --> 00:30:34,707 a twisted story that keeps twisting. 449 00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:38,127 After a human foot was delivered to Conservative Party headquarters, 450 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:40,463 today we learned the second body part, 451 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,298 a hand, was sent to the Liberals. 452 00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:48,388 I'm troubled that someone decided that a political party was a worthy target 453 00:30:48,471 --> 00:30:50,390 for that particular body part. 454 00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:53,059 I mean, who knows where the other body parts were sent? 455 00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:57,689 When I'm informed that we have a suspect, 456 00:30:57,772 --> 00:31:00,608 and this name is Luka Rocco Magnotta, 457 00:31:01,568 --> 00:31:03,570 and this is not the victim, 458 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,490 I'm, like, astonished. I'm like, "Wow!" 459 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:14,414 But unfortunately, we still don't have enough evidence 460 00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:16,583 to inform the public. 461 00:31:18,418 --> 00:31:22,881 We still have to find out how Mr. Magnotta met with the victim. 462 00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:28,428 How did Mr. Magnotta convince him to go to his place? 463 00:31:28,511 --> 00:31:30,889 Having all those details... 464 00:31:31,848 --> 00:31:34,767 would double our evidence. 465 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,821 I heard a horrendous pounding on the door. 466 00:31:48,823 --> 00:31:52,160 Bang, bang, bang on the front door and the side door. 467 00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:54,245 It sounded like someone was breaking in, 468 00:31:54,454 --> 00:31:55,788 so I grabbed the phone... 469 00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:58,666 and was just gonna call 911. 470 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,920 And I seen, like, flashlights coming in the windows, 471 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:04,339 so I crawled across the floor, 472 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:08,760 up to the window, and just pulled it down a tiny bit to see 473 00:32:08,843 --> 00:32:09,969 because it was locked. 474 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:15,558 And I saw a police officer at the door. And I start to shake 475 00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:16,911 because it was the middle of the night, 476 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:18,913 and when a policeman comes to your house in the middle of the night, 477 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,063 you know it's not good. 478 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:24,150 I opened the front door, which now gave me a view of the street, 479 00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:28,655 and the whole street was lined with police vehicles. 480 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:32,450 And there was two officers at the front door. 481 00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:35,411 I said, "Come in." 482 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:37,372 And one of them... 483 00:32:38,247 --> 00:32:39,540 looked over, and he said, 484 00:32:41,876 --> 00:32:43,920 "He's a lot smaller than I thought he was." 485 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:50,134 He said, "Are you Luka Magnotta's mother?" I said, "Yes." 486 00:32:51,552 --> 00:32:54,597 And I'm like, "Oh, my son! What's wrong with my son?" 487 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,809 He said, "There's nothing wrong with your son. We're looking for him." 488 00:32:58,184 --> 00:33:02,397 And I'm like, "Oh, about the cat videos?" 489 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,694 He said, "Is your son here?" 490 00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:11,155 I said, "No." I'm like, "Why are you looking for him?" 491 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:13,199 They wouldn't answer me. 492 00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:15,743 And they just... They left. 493 00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:25,545 I get a call from the detective at the Toronto Police Department. 494 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,382 He had been on vacation and was unaware, 495 00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:31,759 and when he got back, they had told him 496 00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:33,761 about what had transpired 497 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:37,390 and how Montreal Police were looking for a Luka Magnotta. 498 00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,020 And this is a person you've spent, 499 00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:45,857 you know, the last two years of your life searching every week. 500 00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:49,986 Now you're hearing the detective name him in a murder. 501 00:33:51,487 --> 00:33:52,780 It was very surreal. 502 00:34:04,917 --> 00:34:08,254 At this time, we do not have a clue who the victim is, 503 00:34:08,755 --> 00:34:12,925 but I was asked to come to the mobile commander post. 504 00:34:13,926 --> 00:34:14,926 I enter, 505 00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,973 and I've got four pair of eyes that are looking at me 506 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,142 and says, "Claudette, you better sit down." 507 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:31,986 They had received an e-mail saying that there's a video 508 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:35,031 that was becoming viral on the web. 509 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:40,620 We put the video on. 510 00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:47,752 And now I'm witnessing a human being being murdered. 511 00:34:54,258 --> 00:34:56,010 As a homicide investigator, 512 00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:59,680 you always investigate once the murder has happened. 513 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,264 But now, 514 00:35:02,183 --> 00:35:04,644 I was witnessing what happened. 515 00:35:05,353 --> 00:35:08,106 It's like I... if I was behind the murderer, 516 00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:10,441 watching him do a murder. 517 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,782 We had to stop the video. 518 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,786 I said, "This is impossible. 519 00:35:22,411 --> 00:35:24,372 What I'm seeing is impossible." 520 00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:27,542 They didn't have the same sense that I did 521 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:30,294 because I was the one that was in the trashes. 522 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:35,466 The first thing that struck me... 523 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:37,135 the poster. 524 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:40,930 That poster, 525 00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:43,141 I saw it in the trash. 526 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:47,061 But I didn't think it was relevant. 527 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,772 It was completely unreal, 528 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:52,942 but I knew one thing. 529 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,821 What happened, happened in apartment 208. 530 00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:03,077 Then I see a person in what seems to be a bathtub 531 00:36:03,452 --> 00:36:04,745 with the water running 532 00:36:05,371 --> 00:36:08,291 and playing around with the head. 533 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:11,252 The head... He's just spinning the head around. 534 00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:17,133 This is the first time I see... 535 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:18,843 the victim's face. 536 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:23,973 It's the first time I can place a face on the torso that I have. 537 00:36:24,056 --> 00:36:28,519 I can see an Asian man, young man, in his mid-30s. 538 00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:35,151 After that, I see a black-and-white puppy, 539 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:39,864 with the individual holding a knife. 540 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:41,365 At that point, 541 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:43,868 I had to stop. I had to walk out. 542 00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:45,703 This was ridiculous. 543 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:47,997 I come back in... 544 00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:52,376 then I see... 545 00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:55,630 I have to stop. 546 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:17,401 Because now I knew what the suspect looked like, 547 00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:20,571 we started to look at more security footage... 548 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,325 of the Decarie building. 549 00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:29,080 I was looking at a few days before the torso had been found. 550 00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:36,712 And at one point, I was able to see... 551 00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:41,926 two people, two young men in their late 20s, entering the building. 552 00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:46,681 One was the suspect 553 00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:49,558 that we had seen in the post office. 554 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:53,938 And the other one didn't seem to be, like, a white person. 555 00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:57,942 He seemed maybe to be, like, a little darker, 556 00:37:58,025 --> 00:38:00,611 maybe Asian, maybe South American. 557 00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:06,867 I started to look through the missing persons reports. 558 00:38:07,201 --> 00:38:10,204 And I fall upon a name, Jun Lin. 559 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:21,632 Jun Lin was my best friend. 560 00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:25,803 It was Sunday evening. 561 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,182 I was having dinner and received a phone call 562 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:32,351 from Jun Lin's ex-boyfriend, 563 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:36,731 asking me if I had seen Jun Lin... 564 00:38:38,232 --> 00:38:40,151 in the past few days. I said no. 565 00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:45,031 He hadn't heard from Jun Lin for about 60 hours. 566 00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:50,453 That was extremely unusual because he was the kind of person 567 00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:57,543 who would call us if he was going somewhere else. 568 00:39:00,921 --> 00:39:02,631 Jun Lin was quite a shy person. 569 00:39:03,424 --> 00:39:05,301 He wasn't openly gay, 570 00:39:06,302 --> 00:39:08,429 but that's why he came to Canada 571 00:39:08,971 --> 00:39:13,100 because it's a more liberal and accepting place. 572 00:39:15,978 --> 00:39:17,146 This is the, uh... 573 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:21,484 building where Jun Lin used to live. 574 00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:35,164 When I got here, 575 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:36,707 uh, that door was locked, 576 00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:39,335 so I had to call the superintendent 577 00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:43,047 to get the permission to enter the building and his apartment. 578 00:39:45,466 --> 00:39:46,550 I went to the kitchen. 579 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:52,890 There's a frying pan with frying oil, and the eggs was waiting to be fried. 580 00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:56,936 The cat... The cat, uh... 581 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:00,689 was crawling out of his bedroom 582 00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:03,859 with his stomach on the floor. 583 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:08,072 It looked like the cat hadn't eaten for a few days. 584 00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:11,784 Jun Lin's cat was like his baby. 585 00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:15,246 He wouldn't have left his cat unattended for a couple of days. 586 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:20,251 So I called to the police immediately. 587 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,796 They say, "Well, stay where you are. We need to talk to you." 588 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:27,716 Then I... 589 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:32,471 started to feel things... 590 00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:35,599 were going wrong. 591 00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:44,859 It was around four in the morning, 592 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:49,196 and what I wanted to do was to go where Jun Lin lived 593 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:54,452 to get some objects for eventual DNA comparison. 594 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,290 We took a toothbrush and a water bottle. 595 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,878 The police didn't tell me anything about the case. 596 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,382 But there was a rumor. 597 00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:14,513 A killing, a gruesome killing video being circulated online. 598 00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:21,520 I heard the victim was an Asian guy. 599 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:27,610 I found out a video called, uh... 600 00:41:28,819 --> 00:41:32,740 "1 Lunatic, 1 Ice Pick." 601 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,669 I didn't watch the complete clip, 602 00:41:47,755 --> 00:41:49,965 but I did glance through it. 603 00:41:53,052 --> 00:41:57,139 So, at the very end, I saw a picture. 604 00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:07,024 This person with a head cut off. 605 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:11,946 And, uh, that was the moment... 606 00:42:12,488 --> 00:42:14,657 I identified that's Jun Lin. 607 00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:32,341 So, 24 hours had passed since they had found the body... 608 00:42:35,177 --> 00:42:38,097 and I was still sort of in my pity party 609 00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:40,266 watching bad TV. 610 00:42:41,058 --> 00:42:42,058 Nonsense. 611 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,561 The victim, we know... 612 00:42:45,854 --> 00:42:48,857 ...to be a 33-year-old victim, which is Jun Lin. 613 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:50,621 He's a student from Concordia University... 614 00:42:50,693 --> 00:42:53,654 And then all of a sudden, the news broke about Jun Lin. 615 00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:57,199 We had a hard time to remove the video. 616 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:58,867 Such a horrible video. 617 00:42:58,951 --> 00:43:00,119 It's not the movies. 618 00:43:00,202 --> 00:43:02,621 Now we gotta focus about finding the suspect. 619 00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:04,945 That's the reason why we need help with the public. We... 620 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:06,458 And I start thinking about, 621 00:43:06,542 --> 00:43:08,377 "Okay, these cops are still looking for Luka, 622 00:43:09,044 --> 00:43:11,797 so I really need to get my ass together 623 00:43:12,214 --> 00:43:14,216 and get back online and join my team." 624 00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:22,600 I was gonna get him. 625 00:43:25,728 --> 00:43:28,897 I wanted to figure out the last Luka movements... 626 00:43:30,357 --> 00:43:31,650 right before the murder. 627 00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:34,778 Then I started thinking about... 628 00:43:35,904 --> 00:43:36,904 the puppy. 629 00:43:37,865 --> 00:43:39,116 The puppy was something 630 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,368 that he would have had to have acquired somewhere. 631 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:47,791 A lot of people on the planet use Craigslist to get free dogs. 632 00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:49,918 We just cast this wide net 633 00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:53,255 and start reading every post that mentioned, 634 00:43:53,339 --> 00:43:55,549 you know, "free puppies" or "I want a puppy." 635 00:43:59,553 --> 00:44:02,306 And we found a posting... 636 00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:05,392 that was made four days before the murder. 637 00:44:05,726 --> 00:44:08,020 "Hi, I have a limited-space apartment. 638 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:10,022 I'm looking for any dog. 639 00:44:10,105 --> 00:44:11,940 I'm very experienced with dogs. 640 00:44:12,024 --> 00:44:13,776 My family owned a pet shop." 641 00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:16,421 A normal person reading this wouldn't think anything of it, 642 00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:18,197 but when I read it, I remembered... 643 00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:20,908 that one of the sock puppets we were tracking, 644 00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:25,537 Vladamir Romanov, had made a posting on a website 645 00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:26,621 about a year ago, 646 00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:31,834 and it said, 647 00:44:32,461 --> 00:44:34,171 "My family owned a pet store." 648 00:44:34,421 --> 00:44:35,798 So, I have all this... 649 00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:38,801 This is all happening in my mind super fast when I'm reading this. 650 00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:42,429 So four days prior to the murder, this post was made. 651 00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:44,181 It matches Luka's writing. 652 00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:47,017 Once we figured out the puppy, 653 00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:50,729 we wanted to start looking at how did Luka come into contact 654 00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:51,689 with the victim? 655 00:44:51,772 --> 00:44:55,567 So we stayed on Craigslist because it obviously worked for him. 656 00:45:02,991 --> 00:45:04,535 There's tons of them, okay? 657 00:45:05,744 --> 00:45:09,665 One of the things that Luka always does is he'll type something, 658 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:14,420 and then he'll do a space and then a comma and then a space. 659 00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:17,420 Another thing that he does 660 00:45:17,464 --> 00:45:19,466 is he spells "probably" wrong every single time. 661 00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:22,678 He'll say things like, "so hot." 662 00:45:24,179 --> 00:45:25,264 Or "sexy guy," 663 00:45:25,681 --> 00:45:28,058 things like that. There were more, but things like that. 664 00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:30,436 So it's easy to recognize Luka when it's Luka. 665 00:45:33,605 --> 00:45:36,233 Next. Next. Next. 666 00:45:37,192 --> 00:45:38,360 And then, all of a sudden... 667 00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:45,033 space, comma, space. 668 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:49,830 This posting was done on May 24th, 669 00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:52,040 and the murder happened on the 25th. 670 00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:53,375 And it said, 671 00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:55,919 "I'm looking for a sexy guy." 672 00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:58,255 Okay, "sexy guy," 673 00:45:58,338 --> 00:45:59,381 that's a Luka phrase. 674 00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,384 "I'm not gonna be sucking cock. 675 00:46:02,468 --> 00:46:03,552 Send me your picture. 676 00:46:03,635 --> 00:46:05,429 Send me your face. Send me your body." 677 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:10,309 Finally, "I'm gonna be making a movie." 678 00:46:12,686 --> 00:46:13,854 It was Luka. 679 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:19,735 The pieces started falling together now. 680 00:46:28,577 --> 00:46:31,705 Jun Lin and Luka Rocco Magnotta arrive 681 00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,333 at the apartment on Decarie together. 682 00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:39,838 And they both walk in, 683 00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:42,966 and they both seem, like, very happy at that moment. 684 00:46:48,305 --> 00:46:50,182 But, later on, 685 00:46:50,265 --> 00:46:51,892 only one person leaves the building. 686 00:46:53,393 --> 00:46:55,562 And he's wearing the same yellow T-shirt 687 00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:57,564 that Jun Lin was wearing before. 688 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:01,485 The toxicology report of Mr. Lin 689 00:47:01,568 --> 00:47:03,612 had Oxazepam in his blood. 690 00:47:03,695 --> 00:47:05,322 Oxazepam is a sedative. 691 00:47:06,365 --> 00:47:11,078 Residue that was found in the wine bottle contained the same sedative. 692 00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:16,542 So I do hope that Mr. Lin was knocked out 693 00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:20,128 before Mr. Magnotta cut his throat. 694 00:47:22,548 --> 00:47:25,217 We see Luka Rocco Magnotta coming back. 695 00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:28,929 He stops, and he looks at himself in the mirror. 696 00:47:31,223 --> 00:47:33,642 He looks as if he doesn't have a worry in the world. 697 00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:39,773 He's got a bag in his hand. 698 00:47:40,023 --> 00:47:42,484 We're presuming that he was buying plastic gloves 699 00:47:42,568 --> 00:47:45,195 and other articles to clean up the crime scene. 700 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:53,620 Once I obtained a warrant to go back into the apartment 208, 701 00:47:54,663 --> 00:47:57,291 we put on the forensic white suit, 702 00:47:57,374 --> 00:47:59,918 commonly called "bunny suits." 703 00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:09,552 I enter. 704 00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:11,763 But I smell two things. 705 00:48:11,847 --> 00:48:14,516 I smell, like, a cleaning product, 706 00:48:14,808 --> 00:48:16,476 and I smell blood. 707 00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:22,691 It's hard to describe what blood smells like, 708 00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:25,986 but if you take a pound of ground meat 709 00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:30,324 and you leave it on the counter for six, seven hours... 710 00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:35,037 And definitely, in the apartment, it smelled like blood. 711 00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:44,671 We covered the windows, 712 00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:46,882 so the apartment was pitch-black. 713 00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:51,595 And then the biologist proceeded to do the luminol. 714 00:48:56,141 --> 00:48:59,102 They use a certain liquid 715 00:48:59,811 --> 00:49:02,397 that reacts very strongly to blood. 716 00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:08,278 But, especially where the bed, the mattress, and the wall, 717 00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:09,947 that place there, 718 00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:11,323 it looked like... 719 00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:14,159 you walk in a discotheque. 720 00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:18,872 Pitch black, and everything is lighting up. 721 00:49:19,831 --> 00:49:23,627 So you could see that, clearly, the murder happened 722 00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:24,710 on the bed. 723 00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:34,179 And then, after that, the body was brought to the bathroom. 724 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:43,897 And you could see clearly that the torso 725 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,775 was put against the door. 726 00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:53,156 I'm saying to myself, "Wow." 727 00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:55,074 Once again, 728 00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:59,871 I could be right behind the murderer, and I'm witnessing. 729 00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:02,874 I'm feeling. I feel the murder. 730 00:50:02,958 --> 00:50:05,544 I feel what happened in the apartment. 731 00:50:05,627 --> 00:50:10,132 I hear the music. I have the smell, the smell of the blood. 732 00:50:15,303 --> 00:50:17,639 Then I started thinking about the song. 733 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:24,479 Luka likes to leave breadcrumbs, 734 00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:28,400 and one of the breadcrumbs he left in the video was the song. 735 00:50:32,612 --> 00:50:37,534 And, one of the best movies ever made was American Psycho. 736 00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:42,039 In that movie, the opening sequence is New Order, "True Faith." 737 00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,420 Christian Bale's character is very vain. 738 00:50:48,503 --> 00:50:51,048 He always has the perfect clothes on. 739 00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:55,302 He's very into himself and how he presents himself. 740 00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:56,969 This was important 741 00:50:57,012 --> 00:51:00,265 because Luka is very obsessed with how he looks. 742 00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:02,726 He likes to present himself a certain way. 743 00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:07,522 We believe he really started to identify with this Christian Bale character. 744 00:51:09,107 --> 00:51:10,984 He wanted to be successful, to have money. 745 00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:13,945 You're a fucking ugly bitch. 746 00:51:15,947 --> 00:51:18,200 But he's also this crazy serial killer. 747 00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:21,995 I'm gonna stab you to death and play around with your blood. 748 00:51:23,205 --> 00:51:26,666 Serial killers aren't one-murder people. 749 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,543 They kill a series of people. 750 00:51:29,377 --> 00:51:30,796 He wants to do this again. 751 00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:36,968 There was a closet. 752 00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:38,970 You walk in, 753 00:51:39,387 --> 00:51:41,598 and, to my surprise, 754 00:51:41,848 --> 00:51:43,767 there's something written on the wall: 755 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:49,856 "If you don't like the reflection, don't look in the mirror. I don't care." 756 00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:56,696 Why is that written there? I don't know. 757 00:51:57,989 --> 00:52:00,575 At this point, I feel like I'm in a thriller movie. 758 00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:05,247 But there's one phrase in that message that made me scared: 759 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,667 "I don't care." 760 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:10,919 If this individual doesn't care, 761 00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:15,882 does that mean he can repeat? 762 00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,721 Are we starting to have a serial killer? 763 00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:25,267 Is he going to kill again because he doesn't care? 764 00:52:32,274 --> 00:52:35,986 I can't express in words how terrified we all were. 765 00:52:36,444 --> 00:52:40,365 And we're sitting there at the time and wondering, "Where the fuck is he?" 766 00:52:51,251 --> 00:52:55,881 On May 29th at 10:15, a citizen reported a strong smell 767 00:52:55,964 --> 00:53:00,010 coming from the alley behind 5720 Decarie Boulevard in Montreal. 768 00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:04,764 They then discovered a torso inside a traveling luggage. 769 00:53:05,348 --> 00:53:07,142 Six o'clock p.m. on the same day, 770 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,145 the Conservative Party received a package... 771 00:53:10,228 --> 00:53:12,105 The TV was on in the front room, and... 772 00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:14,441 A foot was discovered inside the package... 773 00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:18,612 This news feed was coming up about, um... 774 00:53:18,904 --> 00:53:20,322 a murder in Montreal. 775 00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:23,450 And, you know, it was just constant. 776 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:26,536 Every time I'd go check, I'd see this, "murder, murder, murder." 777 00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:29,039 We then learned of the existence of a video 778 00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:32,209 that was posted on the web, showing a possible homicide. 779 00:53:32,459 --> 00:53:33,627 Nine o'clock p.m... 780 00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:36,421 Then they released... 781 00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:39,090 "suspect is a 29-year-old male," 782 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:42,344 and they... 783 00:53:44,387 --> 00:53:46,681 they flashed a picture and the name. 784 00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:52,145 The 29-year-old suspect we're looking for is a Rocco Luka Magnotta. 785 00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:54,439 You get a picture of the suspect. You get his name also. 786 00:53:55,023 --> 00:53:57,692 This is the 29-year-old suspect we're looking for... 787 00:53:58,276 --> 00:53:59,319 Luka Magnotta. 788 00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:01,820 Wanted... 789 00:54:03,365 --> 00:54:04,783 for murder. 790 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,620 My heart sank. 791 00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:11,289 It was like I lost my footing on the world. 792 00:54:11,373 --> 00:54:13,375 This is a coast-to-coast warrant. 793 00:54:13,458 --> 00:54:15,001 We're looking for the suspect, 794 00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:17,003 and if anyone got information for us, 795 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:19,714 they will have to dial 911. This is a priority for us. 796 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:29,307 I have to tell you, it was an odd feelinggetting, 797 00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:31,559 you know, the head of the Montreal Police to say, 798 00:54:31,643 --> 00:54:33,395 "Luka Rocco Magnotta." 799 00:54:33,478 --> 00:54:35,248 It was something we'd been waiting for for a while. 800 00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:38,608 A little bit of it, it validated all the work that we had been doing, 801 00:54:38,692 --> 00:54:40,527 and at the same point, it pissed us off 802 00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:44,572 because I remember thinking, "Well, if they just would have listened to us 803 00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:45,991 three months prior, 804 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:48,910 maybe Jun Lin wouldn't be dead today." 805 00:54:49,619 --> 00:54:52,706 So finally, the Montreal Police contacted us. 806 00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:54,249 And they asked to join 807 00:54:54,332 --> 00:54:58,336 our little secret Facebook group of information about Luka, 808 00:54:58,420 --> 00:55:00,463 where we kind of dumped all of our evidence. 809 00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:07,804 The entire group of us 810 00:55:07,887 --> 00:55:11,850 were kind of... not chuckling, but kind of just shaking our heads. 811 00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:13,893 Like, "They have no idea what they're in for." 812 00:55:14,686 --> 00:55:17,564 They were gonna make the mistake that we did by underestimating him. 813 00:55:18,857 --> 00:55:22,319 We knew that Luka was kind of an expert in evasion. 814 00:55:22,402 --> 00:55:24,029 You know, he did escape Toronto 815 00:55:24,112 --> 00:55:25,989 and went to Montreal after the kitten videos. 816 00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:27,699 So, he just killed a person, 817 00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:29,993 he's clearly going to leave and go somewhere, 818 00:55:30,076 --> 00:55:31,716 but we didn't know where he was gonna go. 819 00:55:32,954 --> 00:55:35,790 So, I started coming up with the idea. 820 00:55:36,541 --> 00:55:40,378 So, in the murder video, you see a movie poster 821 00:55:40,462 --> 00:55:42,172 for the movie Casablanca. 822 00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:45,759 One of our group members goes, 823 00:55:45,842 --> 00:55:48,303 "Hey have you guys ever seen the opening scene?" 824 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:50,347 We're like, "No." And they're like, "Go watch it." 825 00:55:57,854 --> 00:56:01,775 And I'm thinking, like, "Oh, this is another clue. Luka is telling. 826 00:56:01,858 --> 00:56:04,444 He's projecting what he's planning to do next." 827 00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:08,114 And then I watched the end of the movie. 828 00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:10,408 Inside of us, we both know you belong with Victor. 829 00:56:10,492 --> 00:56:12,952 You're part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. 830 00:56:13,036 --> 00:56:16,039 If that plane leaves the ground, and you're not with him, you'll regret it. 831 00:56:16,122 --> 00:56:19,667 Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life. 832 00:56:20,752 --> 00:56:21,753 But what about us? 833 00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,130 We'll always have Paris. 65800

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