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They love them. 10 00:00:38,621 --> 00:00:40,457 And then there's another part of the Internet 11 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:42,667 that is a free-for-all. 12 00:00:42,751 --> 00:00:44,169 The seedy underbelly. 13 00:00:44,252 --> 00:00:46,212 You can post porn, violence, 14 00:00:46,379 --> 00:00:49,507 somebody getting pushed down stairs, religious statues being defamed, 15 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:50,967 cruelty to the elderly, 16 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,802 a street fight, bum fights, 17 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:55,180 defamatory images of the Statue of Liberty, 18 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:57,515 and nobody gives a crap. 19 00:00:57,932 --> 00:00:58,972 Nobody's gonna bat an eye. 20 00:01:00,143 --> 00:01:02,937 But in this seedy underbelly, there's an unwritten rule. 21 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:06,691 Now, it's unwritten, but it's understood. 22 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,194 Rule zero. 23 00:01:09,277 --> 00:01:12,363 And rule zero is "don't fuck with cats." 24 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,952 Good evening. We begin tonight with developing 25 00:01:18,036 --> 00:01:19,287 and sinister news, 26 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:22,749 where police are investigating two mysterious packages. 27 00:01:25,293 --> 00:01:27,504 I've been a police officer for over 23 years, 28 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:29,798 and it's the first time I've seen something like this. 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,218 A twisted story that keeps twisting... 30 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:36,221 A receptionist opened the blood-soaked box 31 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:37,347 and found a severed foot. 32 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:43,686 What they saw, they described as something out of a horror film. 33 00:01:44,604 --> 00:01:46,499 This is somebody who is able to execute 34 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:48,108 a very, very well laid-out plan. 35 00:01:49,025 --> 00:01:51,528 I mean, it plays out like a slasher movie. 36 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:55,907 He was clearly someone who wanted this bizarre form of notoriety. 37 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:58,660 And he actually put things on the Internet. 38 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:02,539 What did you see in that video? 39 00:02:02,622 --> 00:02:04,916 There was moments that aren't even speakable. 40 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:09,212 This man does not have a lot of friends. Not many who have surfaced, anyway. 41 00:02:10,255 --> 00:02:12,215 Public enemy number one. 42 00:02:12,298 --> 00:02:14,151 How hard is it going to be to track him down? 43 00:02:14,175 --> 00:02:15,927 How dangerous is this man? 44 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:18,388 How careful should people be right across the globe? 45 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:21,432 Well, he is a master of disguise. He likes to... 46 00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:24,310 ...possibly disguised as a woman. 47 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:29,149 Interpol issued a worldwide arrest warrant for first-degree murder. 48 00:02:30,358 --> 00:02:32,038 Tonight there are accusations 49 00:02:32,068 --> 00:02:35,989 that online evidence of a twisted mind was ignored by police. 50 00:02:36,072 --> 00:02:38,783 And he even posted these horrific videos 51 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:42,328 of him allegedly torturing and killing cats. 52 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:50,336 Okay, so I'll tell you how all this began. 53 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:18,948 Vegas, to me, is not gambling and drinking 54 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:20,575 and hookers and blow. 55 00:03:20,658 --> 00:03:23,286 It's not, "What stays in Vegas," you know, kind of thing. 56 00:03:23,369 --> 00:03:24,369 I live here. 57 00:03:26,414 --> 00:03:28,082 So, Vegas is work. 58 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:29,959 My name is Deanna Thompson, 59 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:35,006 and I am a data analyst for a large casino here in Las Vegas. 60 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:37,967 I'm responsible for all the technology in the gaming industry. 61 00:03:40,553 --> 00:03:43,139 Anything to do with slot machines, table games, 62 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:44,557 I have a hand in it. 63 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:53,316 I would say I'm textbook definition of a computer nerd. 64 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:54,442 Like, textbook. 65 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,654 ♪ Watch me show you what I'm made of ♪ 66 00:03:57,737 --> 00:03:59,048 So, I'll come home from work 67 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,532 and spend some time with the dogs, and then, uh... 68 00:04:04,702 --> 00:04:06,913 You know, get on my computers and hit the Internet. 69 00:04:16,005 --> 00:04:19,050 "Baudi Moovan" is my alter ego that I use online 70 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:20,426 to hide my identity. 71 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:25,056 And "Body Movin'" is a song from the Beastie Boys. 72 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:27,678 - How's it go? - I'm not gonna sing it. 73 00:04:28,601 --> 00:04:30,311 - Go on. - No. 74 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,146 It's... No, dude. I can't sing it. 75 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:34,065 Shut up. 76 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:36,150 I'm not gonna sing it. 77 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:38,027 You can play it. Get the rights. 78 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:39,737 I'm not gonna, uh-uh. 79 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:44,617 ♪ Body movin', body movin' A1 sound and the sound's so soothing ♪ 80 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:45,952 ♪ Body movin' ♪ 81 00:04:46,077 --> 00:04:47,745 I can be anybody I want online. 82 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,166 I could make the world a better place. 83 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:54,043 I could be funny. 84 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:57,297 You know, I could be really smart. 85 00:04:57,755 --> 00:04:59,424 I could be a princess. 86 00:05:00,341 --> 00:05:02,802 ♪ Tell me party people Is that so wrong? ♪ 87 00:05:02,885 --> 00:05:04,971 ♪ The ship is docking, interlockin' ♪ 88 00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:07,181 I could be anybody I want online. 89 00:05:07,765 --> 00:05:12,145 ♪ Body movin', body movin' A1 sound and the sound's so soothing ♪ 90 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:24,824 So at the end of 2010, my relationship was coming to, 91 00:05:24,907 --> 00:05:26,242 you know, a pretty drastic end, 92 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,369 and I was pretty fucked-up about it in the head. 93 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:34,709 I just wanted to sink myself into something 94 00:05:34,792 --> 00:05:36,711 that would take my mind off of it. 95 00:05:36,794 --> 00:05:40,340 I could kind of not deal with this bullshit in my life. 96 00:05:42,592 --> 00:05:44,344 And so, I was on Facebook one day, 97 00:05:44,427 --> 00:05:46,471 and I found a post 98 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:49,724 a lot of people had been feverishly posting 99 00:05:49,807 --> 00:05:52,560 about a video that was online. 100 00:05:57,273 --> 00:05:58,273 I thought... 101 00:06:00,735 --> 00:06:02,028 "Let's go look at this." 102 00:06:14,123 --> 00:06:16,125 ♪ So this is Christmas ♪ 103 00:06:17,710 --> 00:06:19,045 ♪ And what have you done? ♪ 104 00:06:19,128 --> 00:06:21,088 You know, I'm thinking, "Oh, this is a cute video, 105 00:06:21,130 --> 00:06:22,256 you know. What's this?" 106 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:25,218 ♪ Another year over ♪ 107 00:06:27,512 --> 00:06:30,014 ♪ And a new one just begun ♪ 108 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:34,560 And, um... 109 00:06:34,977 --> 00:06:36,562 I've never seen the video... 110 00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:37,980 uh, full-on. 111 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:40,209 I've never seen the whole thing. I've watched bits and pieces, 112 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,068 but I've never seen the whole video. 113 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:43,403 So, here we go. 114 00:06:44,153 --> 00:06:46,781 ♪ So this is Christmas ♪ 115 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:51,160 ♪ I hope you have fun ♪ 116 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:57,375 You see the person with, like, a green, teal hoodie on, 117 00:06:57,458 --> 00:06:58,876 and it's up over his head. 118 00:06:59,168 --> 00:07:00,586 It's hiding a lot of his face, 119 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:02,839 but you can see, like, fringy, banged hair, 120 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:07,009 and he's putting them into one of those vacuum-seal bags. 121 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:08,553 They suck all the air out. 122 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:10,721 Um... 123 00:07:11,055 --> 00:07:14,142 The frame just changed to, uh... 124 00:07:16,727 --> 00:07:20,731 he's attaching a vacuum hose to the area of the bag 125 00:07:20,815 --> 00:07:23,651 where the vacuum hose would, you know, kind of seal into. 126 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,862 One of the kittens sort of... 127 00:07:26,779 --> 00:07:29,657 playfully tries to get out of the bag, and he, you know... 128 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:31,617 That's fucking heartbreaking, dude. 129 00:07:45,047 --> 00:07:46,407 Do you want to stop? 130 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,301 Just for a minute. 131 00:07:54,223 --> 00:07:55,808 I fucking hate this shit, dude. 132 00:07:57,185 --> 00:07:58,185 So sad. 133 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,653 Certainly, I'm emotional. I mean, I love, I love cats. 134 00:08:07,737 --> 00:08:08,737 I love them. 135 00:08:10,364 --> 00:08:11,949 So when I watched this video, 136 00:08:12,575 --> 00:08:14,660 I was, like, "Dude, this is, like, bullshit." 137 00:08:15,077 --> 00:08:17,622 There's prices to pay. There's consequences for your actions. 138 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:22,752 So, I wasn't the only one that was totally outraged by this video. 139 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:24,378 The comments under the video were, 140 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:26,547 "I can't believe this motherfucker's doing this," 141 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:28,424 and, "Who the fuck is this guy?" 142 00:08:29,842 --> 00:08:31,093 "Fuck this guy." 143 00:08:31,552 --> 00:08:33,679 You know, "Who is this bastard?" "Let's kill him." 144 00:08:33,763 --> 00:08:36,807 It was outrage. Just boom, boom, boom, boom. 145 00:08:39,268 --> 00:08:41,062 "Oh, my God. You're gonna go to jail." 146 00:08:41,145 --> 00:08:43,523 And I'm thinking to myself, "What the fuck is this?" 147 00:08:45,858 --> 00:08:48,110 Yeah, this is an emotional thing, for sure. 148 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:49,320 You're angry, I get it. 149 00:08:51,447 --> 00:08:52,907 But who the fuck are you gonna call? 150 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:56,577 Okay, what police department are you gonna call? 151 00:08:56,661 --> 00:08:59,705 You don't know where this happened. You know, this person could live in... 152 00:08:59,956 --> 00:09:01,749 you know, Siberia for all I know. 153 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:08,881 We don't have jurisdiction, so it's just noise. 154 00:09:14,053 --> 00:09:15,893 But in the comments, there was a Facebook link, 155 00:09:15,972 --> 00:09:18,132 and I clicked it, and it took me to a Facebook group... 156 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,903 And it looked to me like it was focused on trying to find... 157 00:09:31,612 --> 00:09:32,780 who was in this video. 158 00:09:37,451 --> 00:09:39,912 In the group, I did observe one... 159 00:09:40,705 --> 00:09:42,873 persona who was sticking to facts, 160 00:09:43,332 --> 00:09:44,792 wasn't getting emotional, 161 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:46,711 and that was John Green. 162 00:10:10,985 --> 00:10:11,985 I'm ready. 163 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:25,708 What type of individual would think, 164 00:10:25,791 --> 00:10:30,171 "I'm going to take a vacuum-sealed bag and place two kittens in it"? 165 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:37,053 ♪ And so this is Christmas ♪ 166 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:44,977 So the video was posted by a profile called "uonlywish500." 167 00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:47,772 And he had made a comment that said, 168 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:51,734 "All haters can suck my huge dick, LOL." 169 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:55,905 And... it was a very interesting comment to make. 170 00:10:55,988 --> 00:10:59,408 Um, I don't know why you would tell people to do that to you. 171 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:02,578 And when I clicked on the profile, 172 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:08,793 I noticed that they had also liked a video for the movie... 173 00:11:09,543 --> 00:11:10,670 Catch Me If You Can. 174 00:11:14,048 --> 00:11:17,009 You're gonna get caught. It's like Vegas. The house always wins. 175 00:11:18,761 --> 00:11:22,223 Leonardo DiCaprio plays a counterfeit con man, 176 00:11:22,556 --> 00:11:25,309 and an FBI agent goes around trying to track him down 177 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:27,061 across the country to catch him. 178 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:31,565 Which, to me, I took as a big, "Hey, you're never gonna catch me. 179 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:32,775 Ha-ha-ha. Fuck you." 180 00:11:34,151 --> 00:11:36,028 That was a message he was sending. 181 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:37,780 "I'm throwing down the gauntlet. 182 00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:38,864 I dare you. 183 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:41,534 I challenge you to try and find out who I am." 184 00:11:41,617 --> 00:11:45,871 I was like, "Oh, okay, this person wants to play a game of cat and mouse, 185 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:47,248 and I'm up for that." 186 00:11:51,752 --> 00:11:52,896 This Facebook group, 187 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,880 they decided to actually find who this person was. 188 00:11:57,925 --> 00:12:02,012 So I felt super empowered by just watching all this happen. 189 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:07,727 But they were focusing on the person, which I thought was totally fucking weird 190 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:10,980 because you can't find a person, 191 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:14,734 but you can find objects in the room 192 00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:17,862 that would tell you where this person is. 193 00:12:20,531 --> 00:12:24,118 It looks like a very small, cramped room. 194 00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:29,331 I mean, you're talking like maybe eight feet by ten feet wide. 195 00:12:30,332 --> 00:12:32,918 But for me, there's a lot of information in there. 196 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:34,920 You see a door, a bed... 197 00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:36,713 a table... 198 00:12:38,549 --> 00:12:40,217 You see a door handle, 199 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:43,971 a light socket, electrical receptacles. 200 00:12:47,516 --> 00:12:50,686 And those are things that we know can point to, like, 201 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:53,022 maybe a specific area of the world. 202 00:12:54,523 --> 00:12:59,403 Wall sockets in England are different than they are in California. 203 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,323 We picked apart... 204 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:05,576 every little thing in that room. 205 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:13,250 Then I created a schematic, or diagram, of the layout of the room... 206 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,754 so everybody understood what each thing was. 207 00:13:19,423 --> 00:13:20,674 The wolf bedspread. 208 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:23,719 This wolf bedspread was hideous... 209 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:25,054 and it was super unique. 210 00:13:25,137 --> 00:13:28,474 Some of the wolf blankets out there, you got two wolves howling at the moon 211 00:13:28,557 --> 00:13:29,797 or, you know, something cheesy. 212 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:31,143 This one was just a wolf head. 213 00:13:31,936 --> 00:13:33,521 And it was sold on eBay, 214 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,190 made by a company in North America. 215 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:38,025 It only had one buyer, 216 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:42,321 and we couldn't see who that buyer was. 217 00:13:45,282 --> 00:13:46,742 But shipped internationally. 218 00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:51,622 Didn't help us at all. 219 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:55,042 He could have been anywhere on the planet. 220 00:14:03,384 --> 00:14:05,928 You hear some voices in the background. 221 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:08,138 You start realizing, like, 222 00:14:08,222 --> 00:14:11,559 "Oh, there's somebody else in the room, but you don't see him on camera." 223 00:14:11,642 --> 00:14:14,770 And they're kind of giggling and talking. 224 00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:17,648 And we didn't know what language it was. 225 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:23,445 I mean, it sounded... 226 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:27,116 Eastern Bloc, but, you know, I'm not a language expert. 227 00:14:31,412 --> 00:14:33,747 So, there was a group member, Nicee Punk. 228 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:38,919 She was born in the Ukraine, 229 00:14:39,003 --> 00:14:41,380 and she recognized it immediately. It was Russian. 230 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:51,307 Oh! Maybe it's possible he's located in Russia. 231 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:03,736 If you close your eyes and just listen... 232 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,032 ...there's a lot of things that you can pick up. 233 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:12,995 It's kind of staticky. It's a little staticky. 234 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:16,540 And they're chatting, laughing, and they're making a lot of noise. 235 00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:20,878 And then all of a sudden, it stops. 236 00:15:20,961 --> 00:15:22,546 And they, like, disappear. 237 00:15:22,796 --> 00:15:24,006 Okay? It just... 238 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:27,593 Almost like they left the room without making a sound. 239 00:15:28,552 --> 00:15:30,554 But you can kind of hear a click. 240 00:15:35,184 --> 00:15:36,644 Click. It stops. 241 00:15:40,522 --> 00:15:42,316 Fuck. This is a recording. 242 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:43,609 God damn it. 243 00:15:43,692 --> 00:15:46,528 We actually found out it was a Russian sitcom, 244 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,364 and we actually found the episode. 245 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:54,370 And at that point, we're like, "Wait a minute. 246 00:15:54,453 --> 00:15:56,830 This person is playing games with us. 247 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:58,582 He's trying to mislead us." 248 00:15:58,666 --> 00:16:01,835 We spent weeks on this Russian bullshit. 249 00:16:02,336 --> 00:16:03,336 I spent... 250 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:08,926 16 hours looking at fucking doorknobs from Lithuania. 251 00:16:28,696 --> 00:16:30,990 I wasn't gonna stop until I found him. 252 00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:34,702 I made a promise I was gonna track him down. 253 00:16:34,785 --> 00:16:36,036 I'm still gonna do it. 254 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:39,831 All of a sudden... 255 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:42,960 another video appears. 256 00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:02,021 ♪ It isn't hard to do ♪ 257 00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:06,108 And it's the same bloody room. 258 00:17:06,191 --> 00:17:08,569 ♪ To kill or die for ♪ 259 00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:13,032 And he's playing with the cats who are now deceased. 260 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,076 Definitely after the act. 261 00:17:16,326 --> 00:17:19,913 ♪ Imagine all the people ♪ 262 00:17:21,957 --> 00:17:25,252 Along with the video, he also released a couple pictures. 263 00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:29,631 And the group also get... 264 00:17:30,632 --> 00:17:31,632 a link. 265 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:35,345 But from an obvious fake profile. 266 00:17:36,513 --> 00:17:38,515 It's what we call a "sock puppet" account. 267 00:17:38,682 --> 00:17:40,809 They're usually very easy to recognize. 268 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:47,733 It's usually, like, a super generic name, 269 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:51,153 with a super generic profile picture. 270 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:55,157 They will post something... 271 00:17:57,451 --> 00:17:58,994 and then delete that account. 272 00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:01,997 So, I clicked on the link. 273 00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:05,209 And there, in all of his glory, 274 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:10,297 was a picture of the guy holding the cats, 275 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:13,092 but he had blurred his face out. 276 00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:14,885 This was so important 277 00:18:14,968 --> 00:18:17,805 because it gave us some insight into who he was. 278 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:20,224 Maybe he wants to be chased a little bit. 279 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:25,270 It's almost like he was saying, "What the fuck? Are you guys stupid? 280 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:27,731 I'm gonna throw you this bone and see how you gnaw on it 281 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:28,816 for a little while." 282 00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:33,445 But the second thing it showed us was that he was following the investigation. 283 00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,283 He had infiltrated the group. 284 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,161 Okay, so this is one account that he's using. 285 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:42,996 What other accounts is he using? 286 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,002 For me, because I had used an alias, 287 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:51,213 and I didn't put any of my personal information, 288 00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:54,258 I wasn't necessarily concerned for my own safety. 289 00:18:57,052 --> 00:18:58,971 But for some of my other group members, 290 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,349 they had some serious concerns for their own safety. 291 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:12,127 Certainly, we were, like, disturbed that he released another video 292 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,111 and started playing with these dead cats and shit, 293 00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:18,615 but the good part about it was that we had more evidence now. 294 00:19:19,032 --> 00:19:20,909 We had more objects to look at in the room, 295 00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:24,538 that would help narrow our search to a specific area of the world. 296 00:19:25,122 --> 00:19:26,165 We were fired up. 297 00:19:28,542 --> 00:19:32,212 So, there's frames in the video that you don't really get to see it 298 00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:33,976 in the movie that much 'cause it's so fast, 299 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,633 but when there's an image of it, it stands out. 300 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:44,474 So we dumped all the video frames to images 301 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:49,688 so that we could start looking at this fucking room. 302 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,775 Tens of thousands of frames that it had. 303 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,488 Holy shit, that's a pack of cigarettes. 304 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:04,328 That pack of cigarettes was totally new. And if you know anything about cigarettes, 305 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:07,789 they're different everywhere. 306 00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,300 You know, cigarettes in a certain area of the world might be, like, long, 307 00:20:18,383 --> 00:20:22,012 and skinny, and all 20 of them are in this long, skinny box. 308 00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:25,349 You know, some cigarettes are usually, you know, a rectangle. 309 00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:29,061 And they have different verbiage required by law 310 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:30,956 'cause cigarettes can kill you, right? 311 00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:38,195 It had the surgeon general warning on these cigarettes. 312 00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:41,490 The surgeon general is the United States. 313 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:45,118 So I knew they were North American cigarettes. 314 00:20:45,577 --> 00:20:48,747 This was a huge piece of evidence. Now, it doesn't necessarily mean 315 00:20:48,956 --> 00:20:51,124 that the person didn't buy a pack of cigarettes 316 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:53,168 and then hop on a plane to Paris, 317 00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:54,836 or, you know, Berlin, 318 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,760 but I knew they were North American cigarettes. 319 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:05,555 But then, "Holy shit, that's a yellow vacuum cleaner." 320 00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,684 First thing, "yellow vacuum." 321 00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:11,144 Okay, there's tons of them. 322 00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:22,823 One thing that I learned in all of this is that there's an Internet forum 323 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:24,032 for everything out there. 324 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,743 Are you into vacuums? There's gonna be an Internet forum for it. 325 00:21:28,912 --> 00:21:31,415 So, I found this vacuum cleaner repair forum. 326 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:39,172 Thousands of people post, "I've got this tube. I'll send it to you." 327 00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,341 You know, "I've got this hose. I can send it to you." 328 00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:45,053 So, I posted to this vacuum forum, "Hey, guys..." 329 00:21:55,355 --> 00:21:57,024 They identified it immediately. 330 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,736 The Kenmore Canister cleaner, 331 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:05,240 the Aspiradora model, 7-21-26-08-2. 332 00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:10,620 "Awesome. Guys, thank you so much. 333 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,360 You've been so great to me. I can't appreciate it enough." 334 00:22:15,792 --> 00:22:18,462 "Oh, you're welcome, sweetheart. Hey, and just so you know, 335 00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:21,506 that's only sold in North America." 336 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:25,969 So, this is it. 337 00:22:26,636 --> 00:22:28,680 So, whoever made this fucking video, 338 00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:29,973 whoever this guy was, 339 00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:32,893 we knew that we could start looking 340 00:22:33,226 --> 00:22:34,226 in Mexico, 341 00:22:35,228 --> 00:22:36,355 the United States, 342 00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:37,773 or Canada. 343 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,360 But just when you think shit can't get crazier, 344 00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:44,445 it does. 345 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,881 In New York City, 346 00:23:02,964 --> 00:23:06,343 one group of former street guys formed a rescue organization 347 00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:07,469 like no other... 348 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:09,930 ...by saving animals. 349 00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:13,183 You pick on the animals because they don't fight back! 350 00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:15,268 Rescue Ink. 351 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,187 ♪ We've got your back ♪ 352 00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:23,527 What is the approach of Rescue Ink? 353 00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:30,158 Rescue Ink. You want the clean version, or you want the real version? 354 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:34,162 Uh, Rescue Ink is an in-your-face approach to animal abuse, neglect. 355 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:37,290 We do whatever is necessary, within the means of the law, 356 00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,835 to rescue animals out of bad situations. 357 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,450 What do you mean? 358 00:23:41,753 --> 00:23:44,631 Well... you gotta let your imagination run. 359 00:23:44,714 --> 00:23:47,342 I don't want to get indicted on that on camera. 360 00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:07,320 When I first watched the video, and I saw the air coming out of the bag, 361 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,782 and I saw the life going out of the kittens' eyes, you know, 362 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,994 it's something that, you know... It's... it... 363 00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:17,998 You... It made me so anxious to do something. 364 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:21,001 Like, I wanted to try to, you know, like, go in the screen 365 00:24:21,084 --> 00:24:22,294 and try to do something, 366 00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,130 but there's, you know, that helpless feeling you have? 367 00:24:25,505 --> 00:24:28,133 It was horrendous. It was horrendous. 368 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,220 So I called my sister 369 00:24:32,596 --> 00:24:36,975 because my sister's a psychologist, and she studied criminal profiling. 370 00:24:39,436 --> 00:24:42,355 She said, "This person is doing this for shock value. 371 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:45,066 This person is a person that needs a lot of attention. 372 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:48,320 This isn't the first time, it's not gonna be the last time, 373 00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,739 and this is gonna get progressively worse." 374 00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:53,783 They practice on animals, 375 00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:56,536 and when they can't feed that sickness inside, 376 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:59,998 or they can't get that excitement anymore, they move on to something else 377 00:25:00,081 --> 00:25:01,374 they deem to be helpless, 378 00:25:01,458 --> 00:25:04,377 which is usually a small woman, a child, or an elderly person. 379 00:25:08,924 --> 00:25:10,425 These are the things. 380 00:25:11,801 --> 00:25:13,386 The telltale sign... 381 00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,807 of somebody that's gonna become a serial killer, 382 00:25:17,891 --> 00:25:21,269 somebody that needs to be stopped immediately. 383 00:25:39,329 --> 00:25:42,666 We had a humongous Internet presence on Facebook, on Twitter. 384 00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:44,793 We had literally 100,000 people. 385 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,546 We were getting eight, nine million hits a month. 386 00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:49,798 So, I, you know, got my computer, I went on, 387 00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:53,843 I made a poster with a reward on it for $5,000. 388 00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:57,031 On one hand, it was like, "Okay, cool. This is finally getting some attention." 389 00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:58,640 And on the other hand, it was like... 390 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,517 Fuck. 391 00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:05,438 People went nuts. 392 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:08,233 This is every Internet nerd's dream, right? 393 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:13,071 It's an explosion of people... 394 00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:16,199 now joining this group. 395 00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,495 Everybody started coming on there. Now you had... 396 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:24,291 detectives, private detectives, guys claiming to be private detectives, 397 00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:26,042 guys claiming to be Superman, whatever. 398 00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,133 We have CGI rendering kind of experts. 399 00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,764 This point in time, there's tens of thousands of people 400 00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:41,016 looking to find this guy. 401 00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:43,310 Many of them just started posting profiles... 402 00:26:45,979 --> 00:26:47,314 from anywhere on the planet. 403 00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:50,233 There was a tidal wave of leads that were coming in. 404 00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:53,820 "This guy has, you know, fringy kind of hair." 405 00:26:56,573 --> 00:26:57,949 "This guy's tall and lanky." 406 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,785 "Oh, I think it's this person. Oh, no, it might be this person." 407 00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:02,109 "This dude's wearing a hoodie." 408 00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:09,169 We're like dogs chasing shiny cars 409 00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:11,087 all over the place trying to find this guy. 410 00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:18,470 It was chaos... 411 00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:20,430 on the tenth power. 412 00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:30,523 One day, we had one lead come in. 413 00:27:31,691 --> 00:27:35,403 Someone posted something on Facebook that got a lot of attention. 414 00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:41,034 So, it was this guy, Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass. 415 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:44,245 I don't know how he came up with this frigging name, but... 416 00:27:45,121 --> 00:27:47,040 The main thing about this one guy... 417 00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:49,542 is that, on his page, 418 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:54,839 he posted a video of a kitten being burned alive in a cage. 419 00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:02,847 So, right there, we were like, 420 00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:05,684 "Okay, this very well could be the guy." 421 00:28:08,728 --> 00:28:14,025 And his profile picture resembled the guy in the video. 422 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,198 Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass... 423 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,202 was very similar looking to the perpetrator of the video. 424 00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:25,285 It really stood out. 425 00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:26,162 It, you know... 426 00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:29,040 It looked like maybe this could be something. 427 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,837 My sister knows me when I get upset. I'm getting very upset. 428 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,463 She's like, "You gotta calm down." 429 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:36,547 She goes, "Listen. 430 00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,968 This type of person craves attention. 431 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:43,513 What would happen if we just ask the guy if he did it?" 432 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:46,975 I said, "Wow, that's a good idea." 433 00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:03,992 So, we're just trying to reel him in nice and easy. 434 00:29:06,369 --> 00:29:08,079 But eventually, it worked. 435 00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:12,499 A confession. 436 00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:16,129 "Yes, I kill kittens, laugh out loud." 437 00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:18,381 You know, "And there's nothing you can do about it." 438 00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:21,718 Cramsalot did it. 439 00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:24,179 This is the right person. We got him. 440 00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:28,600 The announcement that the admins made were fireworks. 441 00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:30,810 I'm not kidding you. It was a picture of fireworks. 442 00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:47,161 But they still didn't know where he was. 443 00:29:52,248 --> 00:29:54,042 So they start looking at his friends online 444 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:56,795 because that would give them a location. 445 00:30:00,423 --> 00:30:04,427 And they found a town called Windhoek in Namibia... 446 00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:07,597 I can't pronounce it, in Southern Africa. 447 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,372 The admins of the group and Rescue Ink 448 00:30:32,455 --> 00:30:33,975 had really all come together and said, 449 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,876 "Hey, guys. We found him. This is the kitten killer. We got it." 450 00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:40,922 John Green and I were sitting there and kind of going... 451 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:43,799 "What?" 452 00:30:47,136 --> 00:30:48,263 It didn't make any sense 453 00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:50,598 because everything pointed to North America. 454 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,393 I mean, everything. We had the cigarettes, 455 00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,270 we had the wolf blanket, we had the vacuum. 456 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:57,272 And you're telling me that some guy 457 00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:00,024 in a country I can't even pronounce... 458 00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:02,694 "Got it"? I don't understand. How did you get there? 459 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:07,115 So we start looking, "Okay, well, who's the guy in the picture?" 460 00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:11,786 What you can do is just take 461 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:15,874 the Jamsey Cramsalot Inhisass Facebook profile, 462 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:18,042 do a reverse image search, 463 00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:22,422 and it'll show you where that image has been posted before. 464 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:28,511 And from there, we were able to find the website 465 00:31:28,595 --> 00:31:30,638 that the picture was actually posted to initially. 466 00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:33,516 But it was kind of a male... 467 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:35,810 pornography website. 468 00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:44,193 So we're scrolling through all these pictures... 469 00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:49,157 you know, next, next, next, and boom. 470 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:52,368 We find a picture of... 471 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,663 the one that Jamsey's using without the Santa hat. 472 00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,377 So we knew that Jamsey had appropriated that image 473 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,047 and added a Santa hat... 474 00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:06,382 for his profile picture. 475 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,552 So we knew, "Fuck, this isn't the kitten killer." 476 00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:20,521 So we approached the Facebook group and said, "Hey, you know, 477 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:24,442 it can't be the killer. Like, this cannot be him." 478 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,491 And they dug their heels in. 479 00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:33,451 "Nope, this is the guy. This is it. 480 00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:35,453 We're gonna get this guy." 481 00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:43,544 We were dumbfounded. 482 00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:45,338 Absolutely dumbfounded. 483 00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:47,048 They wanted to be right. 484 00:32:49,717 --> 00:32:52,762 And this Facebook group lynched him. 485 00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:03,189 People are out for blood, you know, when this kind of thing happens. 486 00:33:06,025 --> 00:33:08,403 Emotions can get the better of you. 487 00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:12,156 Your inner fire is just... argh! 488 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,420 Not long after this, Jamsey... 489 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,172 had actually taken his own life. 490 00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:39,058 Somebody had made the discovery of the real person's identity. 491 00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:41,436 His name was Edward Jordan. 492 00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:54,115 Jamsey turned out not to be the guy we were looking for. 493 00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:58,326 You know... 494 00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:03,207 he was an Internet troll that wanted to be like a copycat 495 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:05,501 that put up a video 496 00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:08,254 that made everybody think he was the guy. 497 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:14,218 We found out months later that Edward Jordan had been dealing 498 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:15,511 with major depression. 499 00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:19,057 Spent a lot of time online dealing with that 500 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,101 and avoiding the depression, and I know all about that. 501 00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:23,185 I've done it myself. 502 00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:29,942 Nobody knows, and I'm not certainly saying that he killed himself 503 00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:32,987 because of this witch hunt against him. 504 00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:35,948 But you do have to be careful 505 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:39,619 because you don't know who's on the other end of the computer... 506 00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:42,997 and what kind of mental problems they might have. 507 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,253 When you're looking for somebody like the kitten killer, 508 00:34:51,297 --> 00:34:53,633 you gotta fight against losing yourself. 509 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:57,637 What happens is you start 510 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,807 to turn into the very thing that you're trying to fight. 511 00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:06,187 You don't want to become like these people, vicious. 512 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:09,190 You don't want to become the monster. 513 00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:19,951 And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 514 00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:23,454 some of our group members receive a message. 515 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,666 And this is another sock puppet account. 516 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:27,917 We don't know who it is. 517 00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,462 And the message said, 518 00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:32,922 uh, you know, 519 00:35:33,005 --> 00:35:36,008 "The person you're looking for, his name is Luka Magnotta." 520 00:35:37,718 --> 00:35:40,972 And, you know, we're like, "Who the fuck is Luka Magnotta?" 521 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:45,560 "Luka Magnotta? That sounds like a fake porn star name. 522 00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:46,769 This can't be real. 523 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:49,689 Like, this is another, you know... Somebody's fucking with us. 524 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:51,732 Of course, what you gonna do? 525 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,693 "Luka Magnotta," hit Enter. 526 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:58,197 And, oh, my God, it just, like... He just... 527 00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:06,372 There... I don't know how to explain my reaction to what the results were. 528 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:14,839 There's just hundreds and hundreds of search results. 529 00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:18,759 One of the results was a YouTube video 530 00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:20,970 set to New Order's "True Faith," 531 00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:22,889 and it was just like a slide show... 532 00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:26,017 ♪ I feel so extraordinary ♪ 533 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,810 ...of this guy posing. 534 00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,771 ♪ Something's got a hold on me ♪ 535 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:34,150 And I'm looking through them, and I'm going, "What is this?" 536 00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:36,861 And I'm reading about this person who lives this... 537 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:39,488 jet-setting lifestyle. 538 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:42,617 There were pictures of him in Bermuda. 539 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,869 There were pictures of him in, I think, Sweden. 540 00:36:44,952 --> 00:36:46,829 The Red Square in Russia, 541 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,414 Eiffel Tower, 542 00:36:49,123 --> 00:36:52,376 the Trevi Fountain in Rome, Miami. 543 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:55,379 I couldn't believe how many pictures there were of this person. 544 00:36:56,631 --> 00:37:00,259 We found hundreds and hundreds of fan sites. 545 00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:05,556 And a lot of the comments said really flattering things about him. 546 00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:17,443 There were story after story after story about Luka online. 547 00:37:17,526 --> 00:37:20,321 There were stories about him being a model, 548 00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:23,199 Luka Magnotta was a long-lost cousin of River Phoenix. 549 00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,035 I mean, we were blown away by this. 550 00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:33,751 There were stories that he was dating Madonna. 551 00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:36,504 I mean, I was just like, "What the...?" 552 00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:37,797 At this point, 553 00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:40,341 I'm starting to be like, "Dude." 554 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:44,262 Okay, I've never heard of this guy, and he's dating Madonna? 555 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:56,357 He had, like, the floppy, brown hair. 556 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,110 He had a very similar bone structure to the profile. 557 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,738 But given the group's history of accusing the wrong people, 558 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,784 I was very hesitant to start ringing the alarm bells 559 00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:11,163 and start talking to the group publicly about who this person was yet. 560 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:16,794 And so, we created this private, secret, hidden Facebook group 561 00:38:16,877 --> 00:38:19,630 and asked some people that we trust to join it. 562 00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:21,924 They were reliable, they were smart, 563 00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:24,802 they were pragmatic. And it was called "Luka_Intel." 564 00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:30,099 But the problem that we ran into was that we still didn't know where he was. 565 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:33,811 We had pictures of him all over the world. 566 00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:36,897 But we don't know where he's at today. 567 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,193 But we eventually found a video of an audition tape 568 00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:43,446 that he had made three years prior 569 00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:47,366 for a reality TV show about male models. 570 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:51,829 Hi, my name is Luka. 571 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:55,666 Magnotta's my last name, M-A-G-N-O-T-T-A. 572 00:38:57,001 --> 00:38:58,186 Hi, Luka, how are you today? 573 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,420 Good, how are you? 574 00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:04,342 But it definitely sounded like he was from North America. 575 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,177 Okay. Ding. 576 00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:09,323 Can you take off your shirt right away? 577 00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:10,639 All right, definitely. 578 00:39:11,223 --> 00:39:13,223 When his voice was lower, yours went lower. 579 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,521 I have a very deep voice. A lot of people tell me that, actually. 580 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,570 So here was... 581 00:39:26,072 --> 00:39:28,157 a piece of information we had found 582 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,660 that identified the person as being in Canada. 583 00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:35,373 So, how do you get your voice so deep? 584 00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:38,584 How do I get my voice so deep? Practice makes perfect, right? 585 00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:42,171 He had his jacket over him, and he was standing like this, 586 00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:43,756 and... "Hi, my name is Luka," 587 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,967 you know, doing his thing. And he's very, very vain. 588 00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:48,552 A lot of people tell me 589 00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:50,846 I'm really devastatingly good-looking, so... 590 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,391 I think he looks good. I'm going to give him a yes. 591 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,143 But you do start to think, 592 00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:59,105 you know, "Could this be somebody who really films himself... 593 00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:01,732 putting cats into a vacuum bag 594 00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,734 and sucking air out until they suffocate?" 595 00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:05,379 I think you got potential, 596 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,923 but I'm gonna ask you to come back next year to the competition. 597 00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:09,657 - Okay. All right. - All right? 598 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,551 It's a tiebreaker. 599 00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:12,618 Well, it's up to you. 600 00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,037 You start to really try to put yourself 601 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:16,997 in that frame of mind and say, 602 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,041 "Could I be a normal person, myself, Deanna, 603 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:22,253 and then one day just be a person that kills cats?" 604 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,339 And as you're watching this seemingly normal dude, 605 00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:27,341 your mind... It's hard to go there. 606 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,694 I just don't think he's beefy enough for COVERGuy. 607 00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,637 I can gain muscle. Everybody can do it. 608 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,407 You know, I can gain muscle, I can work out. 609 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:34,723 I'm very determined, 610 00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,102 and every goal that I've put my mind to, I've surpassed. 611 00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:40,539 When I'm watching it, I'm like, 612 00:40:40,563 --> 00:40:43,003 "Nah, this can't be the same guy. This can't be the same guy." 613 00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,820 But then I got a message from John Green, 614 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,697 and the message said... 615 00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:53,367 "You can't always take photos as the truth." 616 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:57,788 Looking at photos of this Luka person, 617 00:40:57,872 --> 00:41:00,291 you start noticing a pattern in them. 618 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,502 You start noticing, like, "Well, wait a minute. 619 00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:06,672 that face doesn't appear to match with that body." 620 00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:11,552 And they were off. They were clearly off. 621 00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:15,306 His skin tone didn't match his body. 622 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:18,559 You start noticing lines 623 00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:22,271 and things where they'd been edited or didn't line up correctly. 624 00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:25,483 A lot of bad pixelation through the neck. 625 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,818 There's a wedding photo. 626 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:32,531 And there's this post talking about how he just married this girl in Russia. 627 00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:35,284 And one of our group members found the original photo. 628 00:41:37,411 --> 00:41:39,371 So whoever had posted these pictures, 629 00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:43,459 had taken Luka Magnotta's head 630 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:45,085 and put them 631 00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:48,214 on random people that he found on the Internet... 632 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,175 to make it look... 633 00:41:52,426 --> 00:41:54,803 like he was out there having a grand old time. 634 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,727 And over time, when you look at 20, 30, 40 of these fan sites, 635 00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:03,270 the comments... 636 00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,730 They're all different accounts, 637 00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:06,941 but they all say the same thing. 638 00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:11,971 They were all different usernames, 639 00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:15,074 but it was the same verbiage, the same phrasing, 640 00:42:15,157 --> 00:42:16,742 the same style of writing. 641 00:42:17,326 --> 00:42:19,036 And you start wondering, "Okay... 642 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,206 is this all from the same person?" 643 00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:30,631 It started to really look like all these fan sites 644 00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:33,926 that were created for Luka as "dedication websites" 645 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:37,012 all seem to be created by Luka himself. 646 00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,899 So now I'm thinking, I don't know if everything that's out there 647 00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:50,025 about him is fake. 648 00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:58,325 But we eventually found an article written in the Toronto Sun, 649 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:01,203 which is kind of like a tabloidy kind of gossipy rag, 650 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,706 um, by a guy named Joe Warmington. 651 00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:12,673 In 2007, three years before all this happened, 652 00:43:15,301 --> 00:43:16,885 I was on my way home from work, 653 00:43:18,137 --> 00:43:20,514 when I was listening to a popular radio program. 654 00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:23,851 Joe Warmington, take one. 655 00:43:26,228 --> 00:43:28,897 And all I heard was this frantic voice 656 00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:31,275 that was calling in to this radio show. 657 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:35,904 And what he was upset about was the fact that, he said, 658 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:39,575 on the Internet, people were linking him romantically 659 00:43:39,658 --> 00:43:41,243 with Karla Homolka. 660 00:43:42,036 --> 00:43:46,415 Now, if you say the name "Karla Homolka" here in Canada, 661 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:51,003 that will get the hair on the back of your neck standing up... 662 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:54,465 because she is the most hated woman in Canada. 663 00:43:57,343 --> 00:44:00,888 She is the wife of a serial killer, Paul Bernardo. 664 00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:03,307 They're known as the Ken and Barbie killers. 665 00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:09,104 She was involved in the murders of three young girls, all 14, 666 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:10,814 and one of them was her sister. 667 00:44:12,024 --> 00:44:15,152 And they had made a deal with her, for immunity, 668 00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:16,904 to testify against her husband. 669 00:44:17,446 --> 00:44:21,825 Later, video showed that she was very much involved in this. 670 00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:24,662 In fact, she led it, and some of these murders were her idea. 671 00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:27,373 And this caller was very frantic. 672 00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:31,794 And I'm thinking, "Who is this?" And then finally, he said his name. 673 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,545 Luka Magnotta. 674 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,217 I reached out through an e-mail, 675 00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:41,387 and, out of nowhere, I get a call from this guy saying, 676 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:42,930 "Hello, it's Luka Magnotta." 677 00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:48,811 I said it would be good to meet in person, and he had offered to meet me somewhere. 678 00:44:48,894 --> 00:44:50,229 I can't remember where. 679 00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:52,296 But I just thought, "You know what? 680 00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:55,275 It might be better if he'd meet us at the Sun newsroom," 681 00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:56,652 which he agreed to. 682 00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,865 Knowing what I know now, that was the right decision. 683 00:45:03,617 --> 00:45:04,910 I remember sitting there, 684 00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:07,788 and in walks Luka Magnotta. 685 00:45:09,998 --> 00:45:13,252 And my mouth opened and my jaw dropped to the floor 686 00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,172 because this guy looked like Paul Bernardo. 687 00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:23,762 My modeling career has gone downhill these days, to be honest with you. 688 00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:28,559 And it's all because of this whole rumor of you dating Karla Homolka? 689 00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:31,687 The rumor's destroyed my life, basically, and... 690 00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:33,564 I want to set the record straight 691 00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:37,234 that me and her have absolutely no connection. 692 00:45:37,317 --> 00:45:42,531 He was very emphatic about the fact that his life was spinning out of control, 693 00:45:42,614 --> 00:45:45,159 and it was not only costing him work, but it was, 694 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:47,494 you know, a real threat to his life. 695 00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:49,913 I've been receiving death threats. 696 00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:53,083 My address is posted. That's why I had to move. 697 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,127 I'm about to have a nervous breakdown here. 698 00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:57,588 My reputation's completely ruined. 699 00:45:57,671 --> 00:46:00,716 I go in to see casting directors, I go in to see agents... 700 00:46:01,049 --> 00:46:02,384 They know who I am. 701 00:46:02,468 --> 00:46:04,303 You know, it's all over everywhere. 702 00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:06,930 Whoever's doing this, please stop. 703 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:10,976 And it's all because of this whole rumor of you 704 00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:12,059 dating Karla Homolka. 705 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:13,102 That's it. 706 00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:17,566 After I watched the video that was attached to the article... 707 00:46:17,983 --> 00:46:19,860 I've been receiving death threats... 708 00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:24,323 I started to believe that he used his sock puppet accounts 709 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,533 to start creating these rumors himself. 710 00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,872 Like, why would you want to associate with a serial killer? 711 00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:34,875 Me and her have absolutely no connection. 712 00:46:37,002 --> 00:46:38,337 For fame. One hundred percent. 713 00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:41,465 Remember rule zero: 714 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,300 don't fuck with cats. 715 00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:47,471 It really started to make me think his motivation behind doing it 716 00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:51,683 was the attention and the fame that he knew he would get from it. 717 00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:53,226 And he got it. 718 00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:04,905 The problem was that this was three years prior 719 00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:06,406 to the cat killing videos. 720 00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:10,410 We still didn't know where he was. 721 00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:19,920 He could have been anywhere on the planet. 722 00:47:20,003 --> 00:47:21,463 So where do we start looking? 723 00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:27,219 So we went through every picture that we could. 724 00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:29,972 Thousands and thousands of photos 725 00:47:30,722 --> 00:47:33,684 because we knew he would have fucked up at least one of them. 726 00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:36,103 That he would leave a digital footprint. 727 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,730 So sometimes, when you take a picture, 728 00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:41,149 there's digital information 729 00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:43,360 stored in the picture. 730 00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:45,571 And it's called "EXIF data." 731 00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:48,740 You know the model of the camera that took the photo, 732 00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:50,534 the date the photo was taken, 733 00:47:50,617 --> 00:47:52,286 the GPS location of the photo... 734 00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,372 You can take a photo and upload it to a website 735 00:47:55,455 --> 00:47:57,291 that will show you all the EXIF data. 736 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,751 So that's exactly what we did. 737 00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:20,314 And then, boom, it's got GPS coordinates on it. 738 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,066 And it was me, this time, 739 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:24,943 and I'm like, "Holy shit." 740 00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:27,112 I took a screenshot of it, sent it to John Green. 741 00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:32,951 The photo in question has Luka sitting on a beautiful chaise lounge. 742 00:48:33,577 --> 00:48:35,621 It looks to be a fancy department store. 743 00:48:36,038 --> 00:48:39,124 And automatically, on the EXIF site, it gives you a map, 744 00:48:39,207 --> 00:48:40,292 and it puts a pinpoint. 745 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:46,673 And it took me to the Toronto Eaton Shopping Centre. 746 00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:49,176 Toronto, Canada. 747 00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:55,057 But the date the picture was taken was absolutely key. 748 00:48:56,058 --> 00:48:58,685 October 25, 2010. 749 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,856 So, at the end of October 25th, he's in Toronto, 750 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,442 and then the kitten killer video happens in November. 751 00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:08,946 So we were, like, freaking out, "Oh, my God, he's in Toronto." 752 00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:11,865 We thought he might be in Canada, 753 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,993 but now we fucking know he's there. He's there, he's there, he's there. 754 00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,497 So, I do what I do best. 755 00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:21,458 I'm gonna find his actual address. 756 00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:26,755 I found a picture of Luka, 757 00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:29,633 and he's standing on a balcony. It's like the third or fourth floor 758 00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:31,343 of, like, an apartment or a condo. 759 00:49:32,552 --> 00:49:34,137 But what I really noticed was 760 00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:36,807 at the corner of the intersection was a gas station. 761 00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:40,185 And the gas station was called Petro-Canada. 762 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,398 So the first thing I do is I jump on Google Maps. 763 00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:52,906 And literally, there's hundreds of Petro-Canada gas stations. 764 00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:58,620 But I start cross-referencing things, and I remembered 765 00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:04,418 Luka made this blog post talking about how the paparazzi was harassing him. 766 00:50:04,501 --> 00:50:09,256 They were trying to take his picture outside his condo in Etobicoke, Canada. 767 00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,509 Etobicoke. That's interesting. Where's that? 768 00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:16,805 Etobicoke is a suburb outside of Toronto. 769 00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,058 I wonder how many Petro-Canadas there are in Etobicoke. 770 00:50:20,767 --> 00:50:21,767 Six. 771 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:23,687 Well, this is gonna be easy. 772 00:50:29,151 --> 00:50:33,905 So I literally start clicking on each of the six Petro-Canada gas stations. 773 00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:36,033 When I click on it, I go to the Street View. 774 00:50:36,116 --> 00:50:38,410 And I look at it, and I go, "Nope. That's not it." 775 00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:39,745 Number two, Street View. 776 00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:42,164 "Nope, that's not it." Number three, click. 777 00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:50,547 Oh. 778 00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:54,426 That looks exactly like the Petro-Canada gas station 779 00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:56,762 that I see in the photo of Luka, and guess what? 780 00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:02,309 That large gray cement apartment building is directly behind it. 781 00:51:06,354 --> 00:51:09,107 So then I take my cursor, and I click on it, 782 00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:13,195 and I rotate the Street View 180 degrees. 783 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,950 And I'm looking directly at the apartment 784 00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:21,078 that Luka's seen in in the photo. 785 00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:27,250 304 Mill Street. 786 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920 So now... 787 00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:33,965 I've got this fucker. 788 00:51:38,136 --> 00:51:40,555 So now, we think it's time to go to the authorities. 789 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,183 So I reach out to the Toronto Police Department. 790 00:51:43,475 --> 00:51:47,187 And they were like, "What is this about? Videos on the Internet?" 791 00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:51,274 It took me a while to convince them that what I'm saying is true. 792 00:51:52,442 --> 00:51:55,612 And they actually went out there and knocked on the door. 793 00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:57,114 A person answered, 794 00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:00,033 and they verified, yes, 795 00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:03,453 a person by the name of Luka Magnotta had been living there, 796 00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:06,081 but he had since moved on to Russia. 797 00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:13,171 So here again, this so-called jet-setting lifestyle person 798 00:52:13,255 --> 00:52:15,715 is once again somewhere in "Russia." 799 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:23,473 You start thinking, "Okay. This is never gonna be solved." 800 00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,100 Nothing is gonna happen. 801 00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:27,310 This was all pointless. 802 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:38,464 A couple weeks went by, 803 00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:40,907 and then, you know, a few months had started going by, and... 804 00:52:42,117 --> 00:52:45,162 We sort of lost that ferocity that we had 805 00:52:45,245 --> 00:52:47,831 because we didn't really have anything new to look at. 806 00:52:48,748 --> 00:52:52,252 He didn't release any more videos. He didn't release any more images. 807 00:52:53,044 --> 00:52:55,672 And so, interest in the group kind of dwindled. 808 00:52:56,798 --> 00:52:58,758 People kind of started disappearing. 809 00:52:59,634 --> 00:53:03,180 The group numbers went from, like, 15,000 maybe down to 8,000. 810 00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:16,943 All of a sudden, 811 00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:20,572 one video pops up. 812 00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:40,425 ♪ I waited all my life to play But I still can't find a way ♪ 813 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:45,513 ♪ But if I work it one more day ♪ 814 00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:49,017 And it was, 815 00:53:49,351 --> 00:53:52,395 to this day, probably one of the worst videos I've ever seen. 816 00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,290 ♪ See I feel it in my bones That I'm sittin' on a throne ♪ 817 00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:56,334 ♪ Like a killer with a chrome When I spit another poem ♪ 818 00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:58,438 ♪ Shed a whole lot of light On a little bit of home ♪ 819 00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,822 ♪ I waited all my life to play ♪ 820 00:54:03,531 --> 00:54:05,992 This desperation in this cat's... 821 00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:10,121 face that... It's hard to describe. 822 00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:11,498 It's... it's haunting. 823 00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:15,168 And then you see the cat being lowered into the water 824 00:54:15,418 --> 00:54:18,672 and the person holding the cat underwater until it drowns. 825 00:54:21,424 --> 00:54:22,884 So then, later that day, 826 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:25,553 another video appears, and we're like, "What the fuck?" 827 00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,184 My first reaction was, "Okay. This is number two." 828 00:54:31,643 --> 00:54:32,686 Kind of like the feeling, 829 00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:35,530 this is not the same, but kind of like the feeling when 9/11 happened, 830 00:54:35,563 --> 00:54:37,732 and the second plane hit the building. 831 00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:39,985 I was like, "Okay, what's next? We're under attack." 832 00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:54,249 In the background, you hear the music from "Little Drummer Boy." 833 00:54:56,126 --> 00:55:00,088 When I saw the Santa hat, I immediately thought of Jamsey. 834 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,884 It really was like a "fuck you" to us. 835 00:55:08,972 --> 00:55:12,892 Then you realize that there's a huge python snake 836 00:55:13,184 --> 00:55:14,978 under the pillows of the bed. 837 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,793 And, you know, the python is doing what the python is gonna do. 838 00:55:20,817 --> 00:55:23,236 The python is gonna eat the cat. 839 00:55:39,252 --> 00:55:40,252 When this happened... 840 00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:44,883 ...the group came alive again. 841 00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:48,178 And we all kind of woke up from our slumber... 842 00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:51,598 and paid him attention again. 843 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,401 But when I saw the username that uploaded the video, 844 00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:06,112 I knew immediately what it was. 845 00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:11,242 Lesley Ann Downey was a victim of... 846 00:56:12,952 --> 00:56:14,913 Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. 847 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:21,002 And they killed five children in Manchester, England. 848 00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:23,338 It was called "the Moors murders." 849 00:56:23,421 --> 00:56:26,132 I learned a lot about it 'cause I was a huge Smiths fan, 850 00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:27,550 and they wrote a song about it. 851 00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,449 This is now the second indication 852 00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:54,202 that Luka's got a fascination with serial killers. 853 00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,382 So, it was kind of... Well, it was not "kind of." 854 00:57:07,465 --> 00:57:08,550 It was very alarming. 855 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,972 The release of these two new videos... 856 00:57:15,807 --> 00:57:18,101 also brought with them some press attention. 857 00:57:19,769 --> 00:57:23,148 The Sun newspaper in London, England, runs a story called 858 00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:26,317 "Catch the Sicko Who Fed a Kitten to a Python." 859 00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:34,200 A British journalist from The Sun, Alex West, 860 00:57:34,868 --> 00:57:37,495 gets a message from another sock puppet account. 861 00:57:41,541 --> 00:57:42,709 It says, 862 00:57:42,792 --> 00:57:46,421 "The person you're looking for is currently in London, England, 863 00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,924 and his name is Luka Magnotta, 864 00:57:51,926 --> 00:57:54,679 and he's staying at the The Fusilier Inn." 865 00:57:56,931 --> 00:58:01,478 Alex West decides he's gonna go to the The Fusilier Inn 866 00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:03,062 to try and meet this person. 867 00:58:04,606 --> 00:58:07,025 But Alex is secretly recording. 868 00:58:20,997 --> 00:58:24,834 He could be a fucking loon and try to stab us or something. 869 00:58:24,918 --> 00:58:26,711 We've got to be a bit careful. 870 00:58:27,795 --> 00:58:30,215 Luka! Can I have a quick word? 871 00:58:30,298 --> 00:58:32,634 I'm a journalist from The Sun newspaper. 872 00:58:34,844 --> 00:58:36,363 You're not filming me, are you? 873 00:58:36,387 --> 00:58:38,973 No, no. What are you doing in London now? 874 00:58:39,474 --> 00:58:40,934 Because of the harassment. 875 00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:43,603 - What harassment? - I'm getting death threats. 876 00:58:43,686 --> 00:58:44,604 Saying what? 877 00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:47,690 Anything you can imagine. They're going to kill me... 878 00:58:48,316 --> 00:58:50,652 - Why? - Because of these stories. 879 00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,363 But a lot of people are saying that this chap... 880 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,033 is responsible for killing the kittens in the YouTube videos. 881 00:58:57,116 --> 00:58:58,910 This is you in the picture here? 882 00:58:59,410 --> 00:59:01,722 - No, it's not. - It certainly looks like you. 883 00:59:01,746 --> 00:59:03,623 - It's not me. - That isn't you? 884 00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:04,706 No. 885 00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:08,795 People are really good with Photoshop these days aren't they? 886 00:59:10,129 --> 00:59:12,298 People have framed me, isn't that obvious? 887 00:59:12,382 --> 00:59:13,925 Why would anybody do that? 888 00:59:15,134 --> 00:59:17,053 Have they got a vendetta against you? 889 00:59:17,136 --> 00:59:18,972 Many people do. 890 00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:22,100 - What for? - We won't get into that. 891 00:59:22,642 --> 00:59:25,103 Okay, we're not really getting very far. 892 00:59:25,186 --> 00:59:26,789 We'll have to leave it at that, I think. I mean... 893 00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:29,124 Yes, I think we do. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. 894 00:59:29,148 --> 00:59:30,508 Thank you. 895 00:59:39,701 --> 00:59:40,994 Soon after, 896 00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:44,497 Alex West receives an e-mail. 897 00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:52,005 John Kilbride was another victim of the Moors murders. 898 00:59:53,172 --> 00:59:55,925 "It's so fun watching people work so hard gathering all the evidence 899 00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:58,094 and then not being able to name me or catch me. 900 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:00,138 You see, I always win. 901 01:00:00,221 --> 01:00:03,308 I always hold the trump card, and I will continue to make more movies. 902 01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:08,021 Next time you hear from me, it will be in a movie I'm producing 903 01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:10,565 that will have some humans, not just pussies." 904 01:00:12,817 --> 01:00:14,193 That's the alarming part. 905 01:00:15,153 --> 01:00:18,489 Moving from "pussies" to people. 906 01:00:20,992 --> 01:00:23,328 Scotland Yard could not help us. 907 01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:25,496 We didn't have lawful jurisdiction. 908 01:00:26,914 --> 01:00:29,334 So I started really panicking 909 01:00:29,417 --> 01:00:31,336 because here I am, 910 01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:33,087 who nobody listens to, 911 01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:38,301 but I know this was another stepping-stone to fame, 912 01:00:38,384 --> 01:00:40,637 this ladder that he was building. 913 01:00:42,221 --> 01:00:44,182 Something bad is about to happen. 914 01:00:44,724 --> 01:00:48,186 I remember somebody in our group saying, "He's gonna kill somebody." 915 01:00:52,523 --> 01:00:53,608 And one day... 916 01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:59,280 ...another sock puppet account posted a message to the group, 917 01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:01,324 but the message said, 918 01:01:02,325 --> 01:01:03,618 "BAUDI MOOVIN 99." 919 01:01:14,796 --> 01:01:18,508 And one of our group members ran across a video 920 01:01:18,591 --> 01:01:22,679 that this sock puppet account had clicked "like" on. 921 01:01:24,097 --> 01:01:26,808 And I had a little bit of a warning before I clicked on it. 922 01:01:26,891 --> 01:01:28,410 You know, "Hey, Deanna, brace yourself. 923 01:01:28,434 --> 01:01:31,145 This is a little frightening, Deanna, I don't want you to, 924 01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:34,691 you know, to worry too much, but... go ahead and click this video." 925 01:01:55,962 --> 01:02:00,216 And there was a home movie of the casino I work at. 926 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:05,346 It was terrifying. 927 01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,934 He's no longer just behind a computer. 928 01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:13,813 This was real. 929 01:02:16,941 --> 01:02:21,112 So, you know, this starts off as a puzzle that I think I'm gonna solve 930 01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:22,447 in maybe two days. 931 01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:25,158 Get rid of some scum, and now here we are. 932 01:02:25,783 --> 01:02:27,368 A potential killer... 933 01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:29,162 uh, might be after me. 934 01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:36,961 I was legitimately concerned... 935 01:02:37,545 --> 01:02:40,923 that Luka would come into the office with, like, a knife. 936 01:02:46,429 --> 01:02:49,724 Or that he would somehow break into my car and be in my back seat. 937 01:02:51,476 --> 01:02:55,730 It was just paranoia beyond rationale. 938 01:03:00,443 --> 01:03:02,254 The things that were running through my mind was, 939 01:03:02,278 --> 01:03:03,946 "Fuck, I gotta tell my boss. 940 01:03:05,114 --> 01:03:07,617 Is he in danger now? Have I put him at risk?" 941 01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:09,952 You know, I was really scared. 942 01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:12,246 I, uh... 943 01:03:12,955 --> 01:03:17,001 Having to go to my boss and tell them what I had been doing online, and... 944 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:20,671 um, you know, even though it's a good thing that I've been doing it, 945 01:03:20,755 --> 01:03:21,755 it's still... 946 01:03:22,381 --> 01:03:23,800 mortifying. I mean, 947 01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:25,510 can you imagine... 948 01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:29,639 having this really high-tech job, with these very professional people, 949 01:03:29,722 --> 01:03:31,867 and having to go to them and tell them that you go home 950 01:03:31,891 --> 01:03:33,726 and fucking look online for a cat killer. 951 01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:36,771 Like, it's absolutely mortifying. 952 01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:50,159 I'm in bed sleeping. 953 01:03:54,121 --> 01:03:57,500 And the phone vibrates, telling me I've got a Facebook message. 954 01:03:57,834 --> 01:04:01,045 I pick up my phone, and I look at it, and it says, "Hey, 955 01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:04,799 um, there's this video I just came across, 956 01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:07,593 and I think you might want to look at it. 957 01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:10,179 I think it's that guy Luka you've been looking for." 958 01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:12,348 So it's got my attention, 959 01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:15,768 and I'm thinking, "Oh, great. Another cat killing video." 960 01:04:18,437 --> 01:04:19,814 I click on the link, 961 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:23,609 I press play and the video starts. 962 01:04:24,610 --> 01:04:27,363 And I'm like, "What the fuck?" 963 01:04:28,739 --> 01:04:31,158 We fucking told them he was gonna kill somebody. 964 01:04:33,452 --> 01:04:34,829 And nobody believed us. 78198

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