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Narrator:
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS,
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HISTORICAL AND RELIGIOUS
SITES IN THE WORLD,
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BUT WHAT SECRETS DOES
THE VATICAN REALLY HAVE?
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IN RECENT DECADES, IT'S BEEN
ROCKED BY SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL,
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THE VATICAN BANK, CHILD ABUSE
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AND MORE RECENTLY,
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SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS
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AGAINST POPE BENEDICT XVI
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AND HIS NUMBER TWO,
CARDINAL BERTONE.
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SO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,
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AND WHAT DOES THE FUTURE
HOLD FOR THE VATICAN?
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Picknett:
HIDDEN IN THE VATICAN,
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THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT
OF SECRETS.
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IT IS POSSIBLE THEY WOULD HAVE
THE ARK OF THE COVENANT.
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NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT WENT.
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Gough: THE HERETICAL PIECES
OF ART, MUSIC, DOCUMENTS,
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THAT'S THE BORING STUFF.
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THE REAL SECRETS,
THOSE ARE RELICS,
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THINGS THAT WOULD CAUSE
HISTORY TO BE REWRITTEN.
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Walters: THERE'S BEEN NO DOUBT
THAT THE VATICAN,
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DESPITE PROMOTING KINDNESS
TO ALL MEN AND CHRISTIANITY,
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ALSO HAS ITS DARK SIDE.
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Dickie: OVER THE CENTURIES,
THE CHURCH HAS ACCUMULATED
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DONATIONS AND BUILDINGS.
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NOBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH MONEY
THE CHURCH HAS GOT,
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LEAST OF ALL THE CHURCH.
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Howells: CORRUPTION AND
PEDOPHILIA HAS LEFT SUCH A MARK
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ON THE CREDIBILITY
OF THE CHURCH.
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I THINK THE VATICAN BANK COULD
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ACTUALLY BRING DOWN
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
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Narrator:
HAS THE VATICAN COVERED UP
SECRETS FOR CENTURIES,
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OR IS IT ALL JUST NOISE CREATED
BY ITS MANY CRITICS?
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THE VATICAN FIRMLY SAY
IT'S THE LATTER.
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BUT ARE THEY TELLING THE TRUTH?
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Man: TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF CHILDREN WORLDWIDE
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HAVE BEEN ABUSED
SYSTEMATICALLY
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FOR YEARS WITHIN
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
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Woman: THE VATICAN FINANCES STEM
FROM CENTURIES OF INTRIGUE,
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MYSTERIOUS DEATHS, AND
INFLUENCE.
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Man #2: REVEREND GABRIELE AMORTH
MADE HEADLINES AROUND THE WORLD
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RECENTLY WHEN HE SAID THE DEVIL
WAS PRESENT IN THE VATICAN.
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Narrator: FOR DECADES NOW,
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THE VATICAN HAS BEEN
UNDER CONSTANT ATTACK
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FROM NEWSPAPERS, AUTHORS,
HISTORIANS, AND CRITICS
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WHO CLAIM THAT IT'S CORRUPT
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AND RIDDLED WITH TWISTED PRIESTS
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WHO LIVE IMMORAL
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AND SINFUL LIVES
BEHIND ITS WALLS.
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ALTHOUGH IT VEHEMENTLY
DENIES IT, OVER THE YEARS,
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IT'S BEEN ACCUSED
OF STORING NAZI GOLD BULLION,
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LAUNDERING MAFIA MONEY,
CHILD ABUSE,
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AND EVEN RUNNING
SLAVE-LABOR INSTITUTIONS
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WITH PROSTITUTES
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AND SINGLE MOTHERS IN IRELAND
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AT SO-CALLED
MAGDALENE LAUNDRIES.
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SOME HAVE EVEN ACCUSED IT
OF HARBORING SATANIC WORSHIPERS,
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INDULGING IN BLACK MAGIC,
AND HIDING RELICS,
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SUCH AS THE BODY
OF JESUS ITSELF.
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IT MIGHT SOUND
A LITTLE FAR-FETCHED,
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BUT ITS ACCUSERS ARE ADAMANT.
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THERE'S NO DOUBT
THAT THE VATICAN HAS
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AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SECRETS
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BECAUSE THE SIMPLE REASON
IT'S BEEN AROUND
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FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS
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AT THE NEXUS
OF POLITICS, RELIGION.
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IT'S THE CENTER OF SO MUCH OF
HUMAN BEHAVIOR OVER THAT TIME,
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AND THERE'S NO DOUBT
THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW,
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MORE THAN ITS FAIR SHARE
OF FINANCIAL SCANDAL,
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MORE THAN ITS FAIR SHARE
PERHAPS OF ABUSE.
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THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THE VATICAN
THAT NEEDS CLEANING OUT.
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Felix: I MEAN, ON THE OUTSIDE,
YOU LOOK AT THE VATICAN.
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IT LOOKS A VERY AUSTERE,
VERY RELIGIOUS, FANTASTIC PLACE.
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BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S
NOTHING BUT THE HOUSE OF FUN.
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EVEN BEFORE IT WAS BUILT,
STILL UNDERNEATH,
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THERE ARE BATH HOUSES, BROTHELS,
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AND THE SAME THING
APPLIED WITH THE VATICAN.
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Narrator: ONE OF THE GREAT
MYSTERIES OF THE VATICAN IS
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JUST WHAT IS INSIDE
ITS INFAMOUS SECRET ARCHIVES
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THAT WAS NOT REVEALED
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WHEN THEY WERE OFFICIALLY
OPENED A DECADE AGO.
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PHILIP WILLAN HAS BEEN
A VATICAN INSIDER
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FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
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HE'S REPORTED ON THREE POPES,
NUMEROUS SCANDALS
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AND KNOWS THE HOLY SEE
LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND.
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BRITISH INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTER JAMIE THEAKSTON
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WENT TO MEET HIM.
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SO, PHILIP, WHAT IS IN
THE SO-CALLED SECRET ARCHIVE?
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THE SECRET ARCHIVE IS BASICALLY
THE POPE'S PERSONAL ARCHIVE,
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SO THE DOCUMENTATION
THAT'S GENERATED
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IN THE COURSE
OF RUNNING THE AFFAIRS
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OF THE INTERNATIONAL
GLOBAL CHURCH.
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Gough: FOR A START,
THE VATICAN LIBRARY,
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THIS SECRET LIBRARY,
WAIT FOR IT,
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53 KILOMETERS
OF DOCUMENTS.
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NOW, THEY SAY THE OLDEST ONE
GOES TO THE 8th CENTURY.
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ARE WE SUPPOSED
TO BELIEVE THAT, REALLY?
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53 KILOMETERS
OF SECRET DOCUMENTS,
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IMAGINE THE TRUTHS
THAT ARE HIDDEN IN THOSE.
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Walters: OF COURSE,
THIS SOUNDS SO EXCITING
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TO CONSPIRACY THEORISTS
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BECAUSE THEY GO,
"WOW, A SECRET ARCHIVE!
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WHAT'S IN THERE?"
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NOW, YOU'VE GOT TO,
FIRST OF ALL, THINK,
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THE VATICAN SECRET
ARCHIVE IN LATIN
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HAS THE WORD "SECRETUM" IN IT,
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WHICH IS TRANSLATED
BY SOME "A SECRET."
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YOU CAN JUST TRANSLATE
THAT AS "PRIVATE."
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AND ACTUALLY, THAT IS
A MORE ACCURATE TRANSLATION
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OF THE LATIN WORD "SECRETUM."
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IT MEANS IT'S THE VATICAN'S
PRIVATE ARCHIVE.
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Dr. Papadopoulos:
NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S
IN THE SECRET ARCHIVES,
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BUT CERTAINLY ONE WOULD ASSUME
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THAT THERE'S SOMETHING
TO DO THERE
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WITH THINGS LIKE THE ARK
OF THE COVENANT
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OR THE RAIDING BY THE TEMPLARS
OF KING SOLOMON'S MINES.
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YOU KNOW,
THERE'S ALWAYS CONTENTION
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AROUND JESUS' BLOODLINE.
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ONE WONDERS IF THERE'S SOMETHING
IN THERE AROUND THAT.
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SO CERTAINLY, ALL OF THOSE
KIND OF KEY THEMES
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THAT THE CHURCH IS BASED ON,
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ALL OF THE STORIES
THAT HAVE BEEN TOLD,
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PEOPLE WONDER,
AND IT'S NOT SURPRISING.
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PEOPLE WONDER IF
THERE'S ANYTHING
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IN THOSE SECRET ARCHIVES
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THAT MIGHT GO AGAINST
WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT
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AND TOLD ALL THESE YEARS.
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Narrator: JAMIE'S NEXT STOP IS
A SIT-DOWN WITH THE EDITOR
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OF "THE HERETIC MAGAZINE,"
ANDREW GOUGH,
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WHO HAS STUDIED THE HISTORY
OF THE VATICAN FOR MANY YEARS.
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HE BELIEVES THAT THERE
IS A BASIC PROBLEM
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AT THE HEART OF CHRISTIANITY
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THAT HAS AFFECTED
ALL ITS ACTIONS
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FOR WELL OVER A MILLENNIUM,
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THAT PERHAPS IT'S ALL NOTHING
MORE THAN A MYTH.
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Theakston: I'VE HEARD ALL
THE DIFFERENT RUMORS.
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BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK
IS HIDDEN
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IN THE SO-CALLED
SECRET ARCHIVE?
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THERE'S BASICALLY TWO
CAMPS OF SECRETS.
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THERE'S
THE CONVENTIONAL ONES,
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WHICH ARE INTERESTING,
YOU KNOW,
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SORT OF THE LETTER
FROM HENRY VIII
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REQUESTING AN ANNULMENT
FOR HIS MARRIAGE,
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THE LETTERS ABOUT GALILEO
AND HIS HERESY.
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BUT THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE
RELICS, YOU WOULD THINK.
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THAT COULD BE THE TREASURE
OF SOLOMON, THE MENORAH,
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BUT HOW ABOUT THE
ARK OF THE COVENANT?
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HOW ABOUT THE HOLY GRAIL?
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YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU WANT
THAT STUFF EXPOSED?
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MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
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THEY PROBABLY HAVE
THEIR REASONS.
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Narrator:
WHAT SECRETS ARE HIDDEN DEEP
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WITHIN THE VATICAN'S
SECRET ARCHIVES?
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WHY IS ACCESS TO WHAT'S THERE
SO RESTRICTED,
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AND ARE THE VATICAN'S CHRISTIAN
WORSHIP SITES
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REALLY BUILT
ON ANCIENT PAGAN TEMPLES?
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COMING UP NEXT WHEN
"FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS.
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Narrator: FOR DECADES NOW, THE
VATICAN HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK
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FROM NEWSPAPERS, AUTHORS,
HISTORIANS, AND CRITICS
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WHO CLAIM THAT IT'S CORRUPT
AND RIDDLED WITH MEN
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WHO LIVE IMMORAL
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AND SINFUL LIVES
BEHIND ITS WALLS.
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SOME HAVE ACCUSED IT OF
HARBORING SATANIC WORSHIPPERS,
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INDULGING IN BLACK MAGIC,
LAUNDERING MAFIA MONEY,
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AND HIDING CONTROVERSIAL
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HOLY RELICS
UNDERNEATH THE VATICAN.
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BRITISH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
JAMIE THEAKSTON IS ON THE HUNT
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TO UNCOVER THE SECRETS AND
MYSTERIES OF THE VATICAN
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AND REVEAL
JUST WHAT IS HIDDEN INSIDE
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THE SO-CALLED SECRET ARCHIVES.
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HE MEETS WITH ANDREW GOUGH,
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THE EDITOR OF
"THE HERETIC MAGAZINE,"
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WHO HAS STRONG VIEWS ON
WHAT COULD BE LOCKED AWAY.
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Theakston: SO YOU'RE TELLING ME
THAT THE ARCHIVE
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IS NOT A REFERENCE
LIBRARY TO ILLUMINATE.
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YOU THINK IT'S A DEPOSITORY
FOR HIDDEN ITEMS.
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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
-YOU COULD ARGUE.
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IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S
DEFLAMATORY THAT WOULD BE
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NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST
IF IT WAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT,
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THEN WHY WOULDN'T
YOU DESTROY IT?
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BUT IT'S PRIVATE,
IF IT'S SECRET,
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THERE'S PROBABLY AN EVEN
STRONGER CASE FOR KEEPING IT
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BUT KEEPING IT
REALLY LOCKED UP.
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WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW,
REAL BIGGIES.
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LIKE, LOOK AROUND HERE.
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EVERY CHURCH, EVERY BASILICA
IN THIS CITY,
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BENEATH IT,
YOU HAVE PAGAN TEMPLES.
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Picknett:
PERHAPS THE VERY EARLIEST PEOPLE
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WANTED TO SHOW THE PAGANS,
"LOOK, WE'RE IN CHARGE NOW.
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WE'RE BUILDING ON TOP
OF THE RUINS OF YOUR RELIGION."
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OKAY, SO THAT'S AS FAR AS MOST
TRADITIONALISTS WOULD GO,
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BUT MAYBE THERE'S ALSO
AN ELEMENT OF,
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"WE ARE ABSORBING THE POWER."
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IT'S BELIEVED BY MANY PEOPLE,
FOR EXAMPLE,
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THAT CHURCHES WERE BUILT
ON POWER LINES OR LEY LINES,
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AND THESE IN THEMSELVES
HAD POWER IN THE LAND.
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Felix:
THIS WAS THE CRAFT OF THE WISE.
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WE BELIEVED IN MOTHER EARTH,
AND WE GO BACK TO MOTHER EARTH.
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IT'S NOT REALLY
A BAD THING AT ALL,
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AND THEY NICKED ALL OF THE IDEAS
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THAT ALL OF THE PAGAN SITES
AND CHRISTIANIZED IT
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AND SPLASHED
HOLY WATER ON IT
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AND NICKED
ALL OF THE RELIGIOUS RELICS
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AND THINGS THAT WERE INSIDE.
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AND I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE
PROBABLY STILL TUCKED AWAY
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SOMEWHERE UNDERNEATH
THE VATICAN.
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Gough: THE CHURCH IS NOT A HOLY,
BENEVOLENT ORGANIZATION.
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IT'S ACTUALLY SATANIC,
AND THERE'S BLACK MASSES
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AND RITUALS,
AND THEY SITUATED THEIR CITY
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AND THE COUNTRY ABOVE PAGAN
TEMPLES BELOW,
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AND IN FACT,
THEY'RE STILL VENERATED.
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ISIS BECOMES MARY MAGDALENE.
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YOU HAVE OSIRIS
BECOMING JESUS AND SO ON.
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SO THE FACT IS, IT'S A REALLY,
REALLY DARK PLACE.
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Narrator: THIS IS SAN CLEMENTE
CHURCH IN ROME, RUN TODAY
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BY AN IRISH ORDER
OF DOMINICAN MONKS,
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AND HOUSES ONE OF THE LAST
REMAINING ENTRANCES
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DOWN INTO THE ANCIENT
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PRE-CHRISTIAN
REMAINS OF THE CITY.
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VATICAN HISTORIAN
AND LOCAL GUIDE ROB ALLYN
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IS AN EXPERT ON SUBTERRANEAN
ROME AND AGREED
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TO SHOW THE REMAINS
OF A 2,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE,
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WHICH, IN ITS DAY,
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WAS ACTUALLY
AT GROUND LEVEL.
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THE AMAZING THING IS THAT
WE'RE WALKING DOWN
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TO THE FIRST CENTURY A.D. NOW,
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AND WE'RE WALKING
IN TO A HOUSE OF BRICK THAT,
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A HUNDRED YEARS LATER
AFTER IT WAS BUILT,
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WAS MADE INTO WHAT WAS
KNOWN AS A MITHRAEUM,
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OKAY, FOR THE CULT
OF THE PAGAN GOD, MITHRAS.
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Gough: WHAT DO WE KNOW
ABOUT MITHRA?
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BORN ON DECEMBER 25th,
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DIED, WAS RESURRECTED
3 DAYS LATER.
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HE WAS CALLED
THE SAVIOR.
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HE PERFORMED MIRACLES
DURING HIS LIFETIME.
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HE HAD 12 APOSTLES.
DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR?
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BUT THAT WAS
WAY BEFORE CHRIST.
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SO THEY'RE KIND OF
SUPPRESSING THAT
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BECAUSE IT WAS A BIT DARK.
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YOU KNOW, THEY'D
SLAUGHTER BULLS.
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THERE WAS A SEXUAL
ELEMENT TO IT.
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SO CHRISTIANITY
KIND OF CLEANED IT UP
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AND POLISHED THE MYTH
AND TOLD US IT WAS TRUE,
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AND I THINK
THAT IS A BIGGIE,
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THAT THEY'VE LIED
ABOUT THE STORY
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BECAUSE IT'S ALLEGORICAL.
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IT'S NOT REAL.
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Allyn: NOW WE'RE GOING
TO BE GOING INSIDE
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WHERE THEY HAD THE RELIGIOUS
PRACTICES OF THE MITHRAEUM.
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MITHRAEUM WAS A PAGAN CULT.
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IT WASN'T A STATE CULT.
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IT WAS A MYSTERY CULT.
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SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE
DIDN'T KNOW OF ITS EXISTENCE,
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BUT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW OF ALL
THESE IMPORTANT RITUALS
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ABOUT HOW TO GET INVOLVED
IN THIS KIND
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OF SECRET SOCIETY CULT,
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A CULT THAT WAS
EXCLUSIVELY FOR MEN,
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FOR SOLDIERS,
FOR ADMINISTRATORS.
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AND HERE IS A CULMINATION
OF THE LIFE OF MITHRAS,
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THIS GOD RIGHT HERE.
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YOU SEE THE GOD MITHRAS
AND HIS PHRYGIAN CAP.
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ALL RIGHT.
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HE IS A REPRESENTATION
OF THE SUN,
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AND HE IS SLAYING A BULL,
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WHICH IT IS CONSIDERED
THAT IT IS THE MOON.
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OKAY?
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DO YOU SEE THAT HE'S--
HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN FRESCOS.
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WE SEE HIM PAINTED WHITE.
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OKAY.
SO IT'S LIKE A CRESCENT MOON.
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YOU CAN EVEN SEE HIS TAIL.
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IT'S RIGHT AT THE MOMENT
THAT HE'S BEING KILLED,
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AND HE HAS THESE CREATURES
THAT ARE ACCOMPANYING HIM
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BECAUSE THIS IS ALL
AN ALLEGORY TO A REBIRTH.
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SO YOU HAVE HERE--
IT'S HARD TO DECIPHER,
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BUT WE HAVE A DOG.
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WE HAVE A SERPENT.
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AND RIGHT WHERE THE KNIFE
IS STABBING,
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THE BLOOD IS POURING
OUT, THEY'RE DRINKING OF IT.
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AND ALSO, YOU HAVE
A SCORPION STINGING HIM
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IN THE TESTICLES
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL...
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THEY'RE TAKING THE LIFE
FORCE OUT OF THE BULL.
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SOMETIMES, IT'S EVEN DEPICTED
THAT THERE ARE CORN HUSKS
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COMING FROM HIS TAIL.
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Gough: YOU KNOW, FOR DECADES --
NO, HUNDREDS OF YEARS,
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THERE'S BEEN RUMORS
FROM PRIESTS, FROM CARDINALS,
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FROM REPUTABLE PEOPLE
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THAT THERE'S A SMALL SORT OF
SECT WITHIN THE CHURCH --
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MAYBE NOT SO SMALL --
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WHO CONDUCT SACRIFICES
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AND RITUALS THAT ARE VERY,
VERY DARK INDEED.
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SO YOU HAVE TO WONDER THEN,
IS IT ANY ACCIDENT
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THAT THEY'VE SITUATED
THEIR CAPITAL
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AND THEIR COUNTRY RIGHT
ON TOP OF THESE TEMPLES?
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I THINK NOT.
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Narrator: WAS VATICAN CITY
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DELIBERATELY BUILT
ON TOP OF PAGAN TEMPLES,
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AND IF SO, WHY?
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DID THE CHURCH IN ROME
USE THESE SITES
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TO CONDUCT ANCIENT
NON-CHRISTIAN PRACTICES,
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AND IS THERE EVIDENCE
OF THIS HIDDEN AWAY
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IN THE VATICAN'S
SECRET ARCHIVES?
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MORE REVELATIONS WHEN
"FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS.
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Narrator: THE VATICAN HAS BEEN
UNDER ATTACK FOR CENTURIES
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BY ITS CRITICS
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WHO ACCUSE IT OF HARBORING
IMPORTANT ANCIENT RELICS,
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DOCUMENTS, AND SECRETS
DEEP WITHIN ITS ARCHIVES.
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SOME EVEN CLAIM
THAT THE DOCTRINE AT THE HEART
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OF CHRISTIANITY ITSELF
IS A LIE
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CONJURED UP TWO MILLENNIA AGO
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FOR THE PURPOSE
OF POWER AND CONTROL.
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BRITISH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
JAMIE THEAKSTON IS IN ROME
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AND HAS DISCOVERED
THAT THE HOLY CITY
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WE SEE TODAY
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WAS BUILT RIGHT ON TOP
OF ANCIENT PAGAN TEMPLES,
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WHICH DATE BACK WELL
OVER 2,000 YEARS.
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SOME SAY THAT THESE OLD WORSHIP
SITES STILL PLAY A SECRET
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BUT IMPORTANT ROLE AT
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THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS
OF THE CHURCH TODAY.
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Walters: THE VATICAN, LIKE SO
MANY OTHER CHRISTIAN SITES,
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WAS BUILT ON AN EXISTING
PLACE OF WORSHIP.
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IT'S THE FORM
OF THE CHURCH SAYING,
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"WE'RE IN CONTROL
OF RELIGION NOW,
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SO YOUR PAGAN SITE NOW
BECOMES A CHRISTIAN SITE."
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YES, THERE ARE REMNANTS
OF OLD RELIGIONS THERE
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THAT WERE PROBABLY
A LITTLE BIT DARKER
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THAN WHAT CHRISTIANITY
IS SUPPOSED TO BE,
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BUT THE IDEA THAT THE LEADERS
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
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WITHIN THE VATICAN ARE
A BUNCH OF SATANIC OCCULTISTS
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IS NONSENSE
OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
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Felix: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
OR SHOULD I SAY CHRISTIANITY
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IN GENERAL, HIJACKED PAGANISM.
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THAT WAS, BEFORE THEM,
THE TRUE RELIGION, IF YOU LIKE,
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AND THEY JUST NICKED
ALL OF THE SITES,
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ALL OF THE IDEALS,
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THE IDEOLOGY BEHIND IT,
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00:16:51,911 --> 00:16:56,047
AND TOOK IT ON FOR THEMSELVES.
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00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:58,416
Dr. Papadopoulos: THESE SITES
HAD SOME SORT OF POWER,
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AND, YOU KNOW,
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THEY WANTED TO BE CO-OPTED
BY THIS NEW RELIGION.
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AND IF YOU LOOK AT MOST
MONOTHEISTIC SOCIETIES,
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THEY MORE OR LESS SAY
ALL THE SAME THINGS,
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KIND OF LIKE A SMORGASBORD
OF WHAT'S GONE ON BEFORE,
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WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE, YOU KNOW,
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WHETHER IT'S PAGANISM
OR CHRISTIANITY,
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THESE KIND OF SAME THINGS
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BEING ENACTED OVER
AND OVER AGAIN TO THE POINT
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THAT EVEN SOME
OF THE NAMES ARE SIMILAR.
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♪♪
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Narrator: AUTHOR ROB HOWELLS HAS
BEEN STUDYING AND RESEARCHING
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THE VATICAN AND ITS SECRETS
FOR OVER TWO DECADES.
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HE BELIEVES THAT IT DOES PROTECT
VERY IMPORTANT OBJECTS,
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DOCUMENTS, AND OTHER SECRETS.
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SO, ROB, WHAT IS
THE VATICAN KEEPING SECRET?
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THE ENTIRE TIME
THAT THEY'VE EXISTED,
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THEY COLLECTED MANUSCRIPTS
AND RELICS
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AND ITEMS FROM
EITHER CAMPAIGNS OR CRUSADES,
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00:17:57,811 --> 00:18:00,511
NOT ONLY FOR THEIR OWN RESEARCH
AND TO SUPPORT THEIR IDEAS,
376
00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:02,847
BUT ALSO TO PREVENT
ANYTHING COMING OUT,
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BECAUSE THEY NEED TO CONTROL
THE INFORMATION
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AROUND BIBLICAL ISSUES
AND BIBLICAL DOGMA.
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THEY CAN'T ALLOW ALTERNATIVE
VIEWS TO BECOME PUBLIC.
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00:18:12,959 --> 00:18:16,427
WHAT KIND OF THINGS EXACTLY
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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IN TERMS OF DOCUMENTATION,
THEY'VE GOT 52 MILES
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OF SHELVING, OF BOOKS
AND MANUSCRIPTS ALONE,
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SO THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING
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FROM EARLY 1st-CENTURY
FRAGMENTS
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TO POTENTIALLY ENTIRE
ALTERNATIVE GOSPELS.
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THERE WERE ALSO IDEAS
THAT THERE'S A BOOK OF Q.
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THE ACADEMICS
HAVE TURNED A BOOK
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THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
THE SOURCE MATERIAL
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FOR THE MAIN GOSPELS OF
MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, AND JOHN
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BECAUSE THE MAIN GOSPELS
ARE WRITTEN LONG
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AFTER THE TIME OF CHRIST.
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SO IF THEY'VE GOT
SOMETHING LIKE A BOOK OF Q,
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00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:50,428
THAT WOULD UNDERMINE
EVERYTHING ELSE.
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IT HAS SECRET ARCHIVES,
AND PEOPLE SAY, "OH, WELL,
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00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:55,867
THE WORD SECRET
JUST MEANS 'PRIVATE.'"
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00:18:55,902 --> 00:18:58,236
WELL, TECHNICALLY, IT DOES,
BUT LET'S BE HONEST.
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00:18:58,271 --> 00:18:59,971
IT MEANS SECRET WITH KNOBS ON.
398
00:19:00,006 --> 00:19:04,842
THEY ARE NOT LETTING
THE AVERAGE PERSON LOOK AT THEM.
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00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:07,178
YOU CAN'T PHOTOCOPY ANYTHING.
400
00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:09,614
I'VE HEARD IT ON
VERY GOOD AUTHORITY
401
00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,917
THAT THERE'S SAID TO BE
THE VATICAN WITHIN THE VATICAN,
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00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:14,218
WHICH IS, THEY HAVE
403
00:19:14,254 --> 00:19:16,621
ENORMOUS PILLARS,
ENORMOUS PILLARS.
404
00:19:16,656 --> 00:19:18,623
YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW,
QUITE ALMOST LIKE
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BALLROOM-SIZED PILLARS,
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00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:24,095
AND IN THERE ARE THE SECRETS
OF THE SECRETS
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00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:27,965
SAID TO BE THE VEIL OF VERONICA
AND ALL SORTS OF RELICS.
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00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:29,834
♪♪
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00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:33,371
Gough: THE HERETICAL PIECES
OF ART, MUSIC, DOCUMENTS,
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THAT'S THE BORING STUFF.
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00:19:34,774 --> 00:19:37,074
THE REAL BIGGIES,
THE REAL SECRETS,
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00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:39,410
THOSE ARE RELICS, DEVICES,
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00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:42,046
THINGS THAT WOULD CAUSE
HISTORY TO BE REWRITTEN.
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00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:43,481
LIKE WHAT?
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00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:47,251
WELL, THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH
IS BASED UPON PAGAN ORIGINS,
416
00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:49,787
NOT HOLY FOUNDATIONS.
417
00:19:49,822 --> 00:19:51,756
THAT'S THE BIGGEST SECRET.
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♪♪
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TRADITIONALLY, ARCHIVES
ARE KEPT TO ILLUMINATE,
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YOU KNOW, TO SHOW PEOPLE
DIFFERENT THINGS.
421
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:02,867
YEAH.
422
00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:04,602
IN THIS CASE,
IT SEEMS DIFFERENT.
423
00:20:04,637 --> 00:20:07,271
YEAH. YOU'D EXPECT AN ARCHIVE
TO BE A PUBLIC RECORD
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00:20:07,307 --> 00:20:08,472
THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE,
425
00:20:08,508 --> 00:20:09,974
BUT BECAUSE THERE'S
THE POTENTIAL
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00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:12,944
FOR CONTROVERSIAL MATERIAL,
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED ACCESS.
427
00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:15,012
YOU CAN GET ACCESS
TO THE SECRET ARCHIVE
428
00:20:15,048 --> 00:20:17,081
IN THE VATICAN
ONLY IF YOU KNOW EXACTLY
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00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:18,349
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
430
00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:19,917
NO ONE'S
ALLOWED TO BROWSE.
431
00:20:19,953 --> 00:20:22,753
AND THERE IS THIS OTHER ISSUE
THAT THEY HAVE POTENTIALLY
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TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOCUMENTS
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00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:25,656
THAT ARE STILL
UNCATALOGED
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00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:27,892
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARMY
OF RESEARCHERS IN THERE.
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00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:30,795
THEY'VE GOT A FEW LIBRARIANS,
SO THERE COULD BE DOCUMENTS
436
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,463
THEY'VE GOT NO IDEA
OF THE IMPORTANCE OF
437
00:20:32,498 --> 00:20:34,532
THAT THEY'VE JUST GOT STORED.
438
00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:39,103
♪♪
439
00:20:39,138 --> 00:20:40,705
AND IS IT JUST DOCUMENTS,
440
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,741
OR ARE THERE RELICS
AND OTHER OBJECTS IN THERE?
441
00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,009
THERE'S DEFINITELY RELICS.
442
00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:48,646
WE KNOW THAT,
FROM THE HOLY LAND,
443
00:20:48,681 --> 00:20:50,348
CERTAIN ITEMS
WERE RETURNED,
444
00:20:50,383 --> 00:20:52,216
SOME QUITE EXTREME ITEMS.
445
00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:54,218
THE FORESKIN OF CHRIST
IS ONE OF THEM
446
00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,020
THAT'S SAID TO BE
IN THE VATICAN.
447
00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:59,624
EVEN THE UMBILICAL CORD
WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN KEPT.
448
00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:02,426
WHETHER THEY'RE REAL OR NOT
IS VERY QUESTIONABLE,
449
00:21:02,462 --> 00:21:04,562
BUT MANY, MANY ITEMS
WERE RECOVERED
450
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:05,830
SUPPOSEDLY AND RETURNED
451
00:21:05,865 --> 00:21:09,867
TO THE VATICAN
AT VARIOUS POINTS IN HISTORY.
452
00:21:09,902 --> 00:21:12,536
PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT
CONSPIRACY THEORIES
453
00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:14,238
AND HOW THESE ARE
REALLY FAR-FETCHED,
454
00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:17,808
BUT ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK
AT THE ARCH OF TITUS IN ROME,
455
00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:21,979
IT DOES DEPICT, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE SORT OF PILLAGING PLACES
456
00:21:22,015 --> 00:21:24,215
LIKE JERUSALEM
BRINGING BACK RELICS.
457
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,651
SO, YOU KNOW,
WHAT'S TO SAY IN EFFECT
458
00:21:26,686 --> 00:21:28,819
THAT THOSE RELICS
AREN'T SOME OF THE THINGS
459
00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:30,855
THAT THESE CONSPIRACY
THEORISTS ARE
460
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:32,290
SAYING THAT ARE UNDER THERE,
461
00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:37,528
WHETHER THEY'RE CHALICES
OR SHROUDS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE?
462
00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:40,197
Walters: NOW, OF COURSE, BECAUSE
THERE'S THIS HUGE DISTRUST
463
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,501
ABOUT WHAT SO MANY FORMER POPES
AND SENIOR FIGURES
464
00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:45,336
IN THE VATICAN HAVE
GOT UP TO, THEREFORE,
465
00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:47,371
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
THERE MUST BE ALL SORTS
466
00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:49,407
OF SORT OF EVIL STUFF
LURKING IN THERE
467
00:21:49,442 --> 00:21:51,108
OR INDEED FANTASTIC STUFF
468
00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:53,577
LIKE THE HOLY GRAIL
AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT.
469
00:21:53,613 --> 00:21:55,780
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST
CLEARLY NONSENSE.
470
00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,248
YOU KNOW,
IF THE VATICAN HAD THE ARK
471
00:21:57,283 --> 00:21:58,649
OF THE COVENANT KICKING AROUND,
472
00:21:58,685 --> 00:21:59,850
"OH, LOOK.
WHAT'S THAT?"
473
00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:02,420
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE,
THEY'D DISPLAY IT.
474
00:22:02,455 --> 00:22:05,222
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME
FANCIFUL THEORIES ABOUT
475
00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:06,457
WHAT'S IN THIS ARCHIVE,
476
00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:08,826
AND I THINK
THEY'RE LARGELY BUNK.
477
00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:14,065
♪♪
478
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:19,403
♪♪
479
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:21,005
Narrator:
VERY FEW PEOPLE TODAY
480
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,108
ARE AWARE
OF THE VATICAN'S TRUE HISTORY.
481
00:22:24,143 --> 00:22:29,847
THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL POPE
OF MODERN TIMES WAS PIUS XII,
482
00:22:29,882 --> 00:22:32,383
WHO TOOK OVER IN 1939
483
00:22:32,418 --> 00:22:34,952
AND WAS LABELED HITLER'S POPE
484
00:22:34,987 --> 00:22:37,755
BY THOSE WHO ACCUSE HIM
OF TURNING A BLIND EYE
485
00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,957
TO REPORTS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
486
00:22:39,992 --> 00:22:44,395
FURTHER BACK,
THERE WAS POPE LEO XIII,
487
00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:47,798
WHO IN THE CLOSING YEARS
OF THE 19th CENTURY,
488
00:22:47,834 --> 00:22:50,434
DASHED FLEDGLING HOPES
OF RECONCILIATION
489
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:52,069
BETWEEN THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND
490
00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:54,372
AND THE CHURCH OF ROME
BY DECLARING
491
00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:58,275
THAT ALL ANGLICAN ORDINATIONS
WERE NULL AND VOID,
492
00:22:58,311 --> 00:23:01,312
A JUDGMENT WHICH STILL STANDS.
493
00:23:01,347 --> 00:23:02,947
♪♪
494
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:06,050
IN THE 9th CENTURY,
POPE STEPHEN VI
495
00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:08,886
DECIDED TO EXHUME
THE CORPSE OF HIS PREDECESSOR
496
00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:12,189
BUT ONE FOR MOSES
SO THAT IT COULD,
497
00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:15,292
WAIT FOR IT, STAND TRIAL.
498
00:23:15,328 --> 00:23:17,862
DRESSED IN THE PAPAL VESTMENTS,
499
00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:21,465
IT UNSURPRISINGLY OFFERED
NO ADEQUATE DEFENSE
500
00:23:21,501 --> 00:23:23,667
AND WAS CONDEMNED
TO BE MUTILATED
501
00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:27,571
AND THROWN INTO THE TIBER.
502
00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:31,075
IN FACT, OVER A THOUSAND
YEARS LATER,
503
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,913
RUMORS AND ACCUSATIONS STILL
SWIRL AROUND THIS HOLY CITY.
504
00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:39,917
IN 2003, THE SO-CALLED
MAGDALENE LAUNDRIES
505
00:23:39,952 --> 00:23:41,252
CAME TO LIGHT
506
00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:43,554
WHERE IT WAS PROVED
THAT SINGLE MOTHERS
507
00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:45,022
AND PROSTITUTES
508
00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:48,426
WERE FORCED INTO SLAVE-LABOR
HOUSES IN IRELAND,
509
00:23:48,461 --> 00:23:50,995
OVERSEEN BY CATHOLIC NUNS.
510
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:55,800
A $43 MILLION SETTLEMENT
WAS PAID TO SURVIVORS.
511
00:23:55,835 --> 00:24:00,037
IN 2009, IT WAS REVEALED
THAT THE ARCHDIOCESE OF BOSTON
512
00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:02,072
HAD COVERED UP THE SEXUAL ABUSE
513
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:05,342
OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN
BY 70 PRIESTS.
514
00:24:05,378 --> 00:24:10,915
THAT FIGURE HAS NOW INCREASED
TO OVER 3,000 CATHOLIC PRIESTS
515
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,083
AROUND THE WORLD ACCUSED OF
516
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,220
ALLEGEDLY
CONDUCTING SYSTEMIC ABUSE
517
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,457
OF TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF CHILDREN.
518
00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:23,227
Dan Rather: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
IS FACING SCANDALS
519
00:24:23,262 --> 00:24:25,563
AND BEING FORCED
TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
520
00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:27,998
Man: ...IS ACCUSED OF MOLESTING
AND RAPING BOYS
521
00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:30,601
AS YOUNG AS FOUR YEARS OLD
OVER A PERIOD OF 34 YEARS.
522
00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:32,803
Woman: TWO-THIRDS OF BISHOPS
PROTECTED PRIESTS
523
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:34,171
ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
524
00:24:34,207 --> 00:24:35,739
Woman #2: LAWYERS FOR VICTIMS
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
525
00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:37,875
MAY SUE THE VATICAN
FOR ACCESS TO MATERIAL
526
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:39,710
THEY SAY MAY SHED LIGHT
ON THE DIALOGUE
527
00:24:39,745 --> 00:24:41,345
BETWEEN ROME
AND AMERICAN BISHOPS
528
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:44,582
TO SEE IF THERE WAS
ANY OFFICIAL HUSH POLICY.
529
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:47,852
Theakston: DO YOU THINK THAT
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS KNOWN
530
00:24:47,887 --> 00:24:49,086
FOR SOME TIME
ABOUT THE PROBLEMS
531
00:24:49,121 --> 00:24:50,354
THAT THEY HAVE
WITH CHILD ABUSE
532
00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:53,190
AND HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT
TO COME OUT WITH IT?
533
00:24:53,226 --> 00:24:54,291
OH, ABSOLUTELY.
534
00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,359
THEY'VE BEEN COVERING
IT UP FOR YEARS.
535
00:24:55,394 --> 00:24:58,662
THERE WERE CASES
OF PRIESTS BEING CAUGHT
536
00:24:58,698 --> 00:25:03,334
AND BEING FOUND GUILTY
INTERNALLY WITHIN THE VATICAN,
537
00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:06,670
BY THEIR PEERS AND BEING
MOVED TO OTHER LOCATIONS
538
00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:08,138
BEFORE A SCANDAL
COULD BREAK.
539
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,241
SO THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORY
OF COVER-UPS,
540
00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:12,376
AND THE COVER-UPS HAS JUST
DONE MORE DAMAGE
541
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:14,311
BECAUSE, AS SOON
AS THEY'RE DISCOVERED,
542
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,381
IT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE
OF ONE PRIEST ACTING ON HIS OWN.
543
00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:21,752
IT'S THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION
GETS CALLED INTO QUESTION
544
00:25:21,787 --> 00:25:23,187
FOR BEING THAT CORRUPT.
545
00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:25,389
♪♪
546
00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:27,558
Narrator: HAS THE VATICAN
BEEN COVERING UP
547
00:25:27,593 --> 00:25:30,628
CHILD-ABUSE SCANDALS FOR YEARS?
548
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,930
JUST HOW MUCH EXORCISM
DOES THE CHURCH
549
00:25:32,965 --> 00:25:35,933
IN ROME SANCTION EVERY YEAR?
550
00:25:35,968 --> 00:25:39,003
AND INVESTIGATIVE AUTHOR
JOHN DICKIE EXAMINES
551
00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:42,506
THE MURKY WORLD
OF VATICAN FINANCES
552
00:25:42,542 --> 00:25:48,145
COMING UP WHEN
"FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS.
553
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:49,480
Narrator: FOR DECADES NOW,
554
00:25:49,515 --> 00:25:51,715
THE VATICAN HAS BEEN
UNDER CONSTANT ATTACK
555
00:25:51,751 --> 00:25:55,152
FROM NEWSPAPERS,
AUTHORS, AND HISTORIANS
556
00:25:55,187 --> 00:25:58,289
WHO CLAIM THAT IT'S CORRUPT
AND RIDDLED WITH PRIESTS
557
00:25:58,324 --> 00:26:02,893
WHO LIVE IMMORAL AND SINFUL
LIVES BEHIND ITS WALLS.
558
00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:06,931
IN RECENT DECADES, IT'S BEEN
ROCKED BY SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL,
559
00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:08,365
CHILD ABUSE,
560
00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:11,101
THE MAGDALENE LAUNDRIES,
AND MORE RECENTLY,
561
00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:14,838
SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS
AGAINST POPE BENEDICT XVI
562
00:26:14,874 --> 00:26:18,475
AND HIS NUMBER TWO,
CARDINAL BERTONE.
563
00:26:18,511 --> 00:26:21,645
BRITISH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
JAMIE THEAKSTON
564
00:26:21,681 --> 00:26:23,614
IS IN ROME TO EXAMINE
565
00:26:23,649 --> 00:26:26,016
JUST WHAT'S REALLY BEEN GOING ON
566
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:29,153
BEHIND THE VATICAN'S
CLOSED DOORS.
567
00:26:29,188 --> 00:26:32,222
♪♪
568
00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,658
Picknett:
THIS IS AN EVIL EMPIRE.
569
00:26:34,694 --> 00:26:38,329
WHENEVER THEY COME ACROSS
OR ARE MADE TO FACE UP
570
00:26:38,364 --> 00:26:42,366
TO YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE
OF CHILD ABUSE,
571
00:26:42,401 --> 00:26:43,667
FIRST OF ALL,
THEY ALWAYS DENY IT.
572
00:26:43,703 --> 00:26:46,837
SECOND OF ALL, WHEN FORCED
TO ACCEPT IT, THEY SAY,
573
00:26:46,872 --> 00:26:48,105
"OH, WELL, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW,
574
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:50,608
THE ODD ROTTEN APPLE
IN A BARREL."
575
00:26:50,643 --> 00:26:52,910
THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT
OF ROTTEN APPLES.
576
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:56,680
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A NETWORK.
577
00:26:56,716 --> 00:27:00,351
Walters: THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT,
THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY,
578
00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:02,786
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BAD
APPLES IN THE VATICAN.
579
00:27:02,822 --> 00:27:07,725
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE ARE
CATHOLIC PRIESTS AT ALL LEVELS
580
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,395
OF THE VATICAN HAVE
DONE BAD THINGS.
581
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,998
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IT
IN IRELAND,
582
00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:15,833
SO MANY CHILD-ABUSE CASES
583
00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:17,735
CARRIED OUT
BY CATHOLIC PRIESTS,
584
00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:21,505
BUT I DON'T SEE THE VATICAN
AS BEING IN ITSELF
585
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,743
THIS KIND OF CENTER OF EVIL
THAT, YOU KNOW,
586
00:27:25,778 --> 00:27:28,946
IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BAD THINGS
HAPPENING IN SOCIETY
587
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:30,414
THROUGHOUT THE AGES.
588
00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:34,952
I SEE IT AS BEING AS VENAL
AND CORRUPT AS ANY OTHER FLABBY,
589
00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:36,787
OVERLY-LARGE INSTITUTION
590
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:38,589
THAT'S NOT REALLY
HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
591
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:41,191
♪♪
592
00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:43,560
Narrator: ONE OF THE MORE
BIZARRE SERVICES
593
00:27:43,596 --> 00:27:44,928
OFFERED BY THE VATICAN
594
00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:48,198
IS THE REMOVAL OF DEVILS
AND DEMONIC SPIRITS,
595
00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:52,636
OR EXORCISM, AS IT'S MORE
COMMONLY KNOWN.
596
00:27:52,672 --> 00:27:56,206
FOR CENTURIES NOW,
VATICAN-TRAINED PRIESTS
597
00:27:56,242 --> 00:27:58,609
HAVE GONE OUT TO COMBAT EVIL
598
00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:01,512
AND RID ITS FOLLOWERS
OF SATANIC FORCES
599
00:28:01,547 --> 00:28:03,414
ARMED ONLY WITH A CRUCIFIX,
600
00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:06,717
A BIBLE, AND SOME HOLY WATER,
601
00:28:06,752 --> 00:28:09,920
AND IT'S STILL GOING ON TODAY.
602
00:28:09,955 --> 00:28:14,558
IN FACT, THE VATICAN'S HEAD
EXORCIST FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS,
603
00:28:14,593 --> 00:28:17,928
FATHER GABRIELE AMORTH,
RECENTLY DIED.
604
00:28:17,963 --> 00:28:25,002
HE CLAIMED TO HAVE OVERSEEN OVER
180,000 EXORCISMS IN HIS LIFE.
605
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:28,072
HE FAMOUSLY HATED
THE HARRY POTTER NOVELS
606
00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:30,507
AND EVEN YOGA, SAYING,
607
00:28:30,543 --> 00:28:32,976
"PRACTICING YOGA IS SATANIC.
608
00:28:33,012 --> 00:28:36,847
IT LEADS TO EVIL, JUST LIKE
READING HARRY POTTER."
609
00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:38,916
♪♪
610
00:28:38,951 --> 00:28:41,251
Howells: IT IS INTERESTING
THE VATICAN
611
00:28:41,287 --> 00:28:43,854
DOES WHOLLY BELIEVE IN DEMONS
AS AN ENTITY,
612
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:47,057
AND THEY'VE GOT MORE
EXORCISTS NOW THAN EVER.
613
00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:49,793
PRETTY MUCH EVERY DIOCESE
HAS AN ASSIGNED EXORCIST
614
00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:52,162
WITHIN THEIR REGION
THAT THEY CAN CALL UPON.
615
00:28:52,198 --> 00:28:54,698
THEY PERFORM
THE RITE OF EXORCISM,
616
00:28:54,734 --> 00:28:58,836
WHICH IS A HUGE KIND OF DOCUMENT
FULL OF LITANIES AND LATIN
617
00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:01,238
AND INVOKING THE SAINTS
618
00:29:01,273 --> 00:29:04,108
AND BASICALLY
TRYING TO EXPEL THE DEMON.
619
00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:06,443
Picknett: THERE ARE NOW
OVER 200 OF THEM
620
00:29:06,479 --> 00:29:07,811
EMPLOYED BY THE VATICAN.
621
00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:12,282
THEIR JOB IS TO CAST OUT DEMONS
THAT POSSESS THEIR FLOCK
622
00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:14,685
THAT TAKE THEM OVER
BODY AND SOUL.
623
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,455
AND THIS, OF COURSE, GOES BACK
TO THE NEW TESTAMENT AND EARLIER
624
00:29:18,491 --> 00:29:21,558
WHERE YOU READ ABOUT
JESUS CASTING OUT DEMONS.
625
00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:26,096
AND, OF COURSE, THIS IS
VERY MUCH IN THAT TRADITION.
626
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:29,266
IT SEEMS EXTRAORDINARY THAT,
EVEN TODAY, YOU KNOW,
627
00:29:29,301 --> 00:29:31,068
RELATIVELY WELL
INTO THE 21st CENTURY,
628
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,970
THAT THE VATICAN IS STILL HAS
629
00:29:33,005 --> 00:29:35,572
SOME OF ITS PRIESTS
PERFORMING EXORCISMS.
630
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:40,711
IT SHOWS THAT THERE
IS STILL THIS HUGE BELIEF
631
00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:44,348
IN WHAT WE'D ASSOCIATE
WITH BEING VERY ANCIENT IDEAS
632
00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:45,716
OF EVIL SPIRITS AND DEMONS.
633
00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:47,751
THESE HAVE GOT
A BIBLICAL CONCEPT, YOU KNOW,
634
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,353
FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT.
635
00:29:49,388 --> 00:29:55,692
♪♪
636
00:29:55,728 --> 00:29:59,296
Narrator: PADRE CORTEA
FROM MADRID IN SPAIN
637
00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:00,731
IS ONE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S
638
00:30:00,766 --> 00:30:03,167
MOST PROLIFIC EXORCISTS.
639
00:30:03,202 --> 00:30:06,737
HE SAYS IT'S ALL VERY REAL.
640
00:30:06,772 --> 00:30:11,875
Cortea: I BELIEVE THERE
ARE EVIL SPIRITS,
641
00:30:11,911 --> 00:30:15,112
AND THOSE EVIL SPIRITS
642
00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:19,750
MATCH PERFECTLY
WITH THE CHARACTERS
643
00:30:19,785 --> 00:30:24,087
THAT APPEAR IN
THE BIBLE AS DEMONS.
644
00:30:24,123 --> 00:30:30,527
I CAN SAY BY MY OWN EXPERIENCE
THAT I RECEIVE PEOPLE EVERY DAY
645
00:30:30,563 --> 00:30:34,064
AND FROM ALL AROUND SPAIN.
646
00:30:34,099 --> 00:30:41,672
EVERY YEAR, TWO NEW CASES
OF PERFECT DEMONIC POSSESSION
647
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:43,807
WERE DISCOVERED.
648
00:30:43,843 --> 00:30:45,409
Dr. Papadopoulos: THE CHURCH
PREDICATED ON THE BELIEF
649
00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:46,577
THAT THERE'S GOOD AND EVIL,
650
00:30:46,612 --> 00:30:48,045
AND YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE
WITHOUT THE OTHER,
651
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,546
AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT,
652
00:30:49,582 --> 00:30:52,950
THEN IT'S NOT SURPRISING
THAT YOU WILL BELIEVE,
653
00:30:52,985 --> 00:30:54,985
YOU KNOW, IN DEMONS
AND EVIL SPIRITS.
654
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,421
THE CHURCH HAS ALSO
PREDICATED ON THE IDEA
655
00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,156
THAT NOTHING
EVER CHANGES, RIGHT?
656
00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,792
SO IT IS SO STRONG, IN A WAY,
657
00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:04,328
BECAUSE NOTHING
IS EVER QUESTIONED.
658
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:06,797
THEREFORE, THE EXORCISMS
BECOME PART AND PARCEL
659
00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:09,600
OF THIS UNDERSTANDING.
660
00:31:09,635 --> 00:31:12,369
Gough: THE INTERESTING THING
IS THE CHURCH DOES NOT DENY
661
00:31:12,404 --> 00:31:14,204
THAT THERE ARE
DEMONIC ENERGIES.
662
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,773
THE FACT THAT
THE RITE OF EXORCISM
663
00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,542
AND THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE TRAINED IN THAT
664
00:31:18,577 --> 00:31:21,111
IS ACTUALLY
INCREASING YEAR ON YEAR,
665
00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:23,647
AND THAT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY
SORT OF RITUAL.
666
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:27,117
THAT'S AN 84-PAGE
LATIN DOCUMENT THAT SAYS,
667
00:31:27,152 --> 00:31:28,552
"THIS IS HOW WE DO IT."
668
00:31:28,587 --> 00:31:31,321
SO THE FACT THAT
THEY ACKNOWLEDGE EVIL
669
00:31:31,357 --> 00:31:34,191
JUST MAKES THIS
SORT OF RUMBLINGS ABOUT THE FACT
670
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:38,495
THAT THEY ARE EVIL
MUCH MORE INTERESTING.
671
00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:41,598
Cortea: EXORCISM IS ONE
OF THE FEW ONES
672
00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:44,935
THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO HEAR DEMONS
673
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:48,739
WHO ARE SPEAKING
THROUGH A HUMAN PERSON.
674
00:31:48,774 --> 00:31:53,844
THEY SPEAK MOST OF THE TIMES
WITH A VERY UGLY VOICE,
675
00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:57,514
SOMETIMES WITH A LOT
OF INTELLIGENCE OR A GREAT,
676
00:31:57,549 --> 00:32:00,550
GREAT KNOWLEDGE OF THEOLOGY.
677
00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:03,854
WE KNOW SOMETIMES
THERE IS A DEMON THERE
678
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:05,489
BECAUSE, FEW TIMES,
679
00:32:05,524 --> 00:32:09,726
WE HAVE THE PROOF
THAT THAT PERSON
680
00:32:09,762 --> 00:32:14,932
WILL NOT KNOW
A LITTLE PART OF THE BIBLE
681
00:32:14,967 --> 00:32:18,769
OR THE THEOLOGY.
682
00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:21,939
SEVERAL TIMES,
I WAS SURPRISED THEY KNEW
683
00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:25,275
PERFECTLY WELL SOMETHING.
684
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:28,011
IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
685
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:30,881
Felix: THERE'S NO SUCH THINGS
AS DEMONS.
686
00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:34,351
BASICALLY, THE CHURCH
INVENTED THE DEVIL.
687
00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:37,587
BECAUSE THERE WAS GOOD,
THEY HAD TO INVENT EVIL.
688
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:41,491
BECAUSE THERE WAS PLUSES,
THEY HAD TO INVENT MINUSES,
689
00:32:41,527 --> 00:32:44,695
AND DEMONS BECAME LITTLE DEVILS
690
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,063
AND POSSESSED PEOPLE,
691
00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:48,632
AND ANYONE THAT WAS HEARING
VOICES IN THEIR HEADS,
692
00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:51,868
PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT
MEDIUMISTIC OR SENSITIVE,
693
00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:55,639
"OH, NO, IT WAS A DEMON
WHISPERING IN THEIR EARS,"
694
00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:58,675
AND IT NEEDED EXORCIST
TO GET RID OF THEM.
695
00:32:58,711 --> 00:33:01,745
BEGONE, EVIL DEMON.
696
00:33:01,780 --> 00:33:04,481
♪♪
697
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,550
Woman: RUMORS OF BANKING
SCANDALS HAVE SWELLED AROUND
698
00:33:06,585 --> 00:33:08,118
THE VATICAN FOR YEARS.
699
00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:10,320
TODAY, THE HOLY SEE
SAW THREE ARRESTS.
700
00:33:10,356 --> 00:33:12,289
Woman #2: FIVE PRIESTS
HAVE BEEN INDICTED
701
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:13,457
OVER AN EMBEZZLEMENT CASE
702
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:14,925
IN THE NORTHWESTERN
CITY OF SAPONA.
703
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Man: VATICAN DEPARTMENTS
704
00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,863
HAD ALMOST FREE HANDS
WITH THE FINANCES.
705
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:23,500
Man #2: CHURCH'S MONEY SCANDALS
STRETCH BACK DECADES.
706
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:27,371
Narrator: FINANCIAL SCANDALS
HAVE SWIRLED AROUND THE VATICAN
707
00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:30,374
EVER SINCE THE DEATH
OF ROBERTO CALVI IN 1982
708
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:33,076
ROCKED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
TO ITS CORE.
709
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:35,746
CALVI WAS HEAD
OF THE VATICAN BANK
710
00:33:35,781 --> 00:33:40,984
AND WAS FOUND HUNG UNDER
BLACKFRIARS BRIDGE IN LONDON.
711
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:43,086
JOHN DICKIE IS
AN INVESTIGATIVE AUTHOR
712
00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:44,955
WHO HAS LOOKED LONG AND HARD
713
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:49,059
INTO THE SECRET WORLD
OF VATICAN FINANCES.
714
00:33:49,094 --> 00:33:54,564
HIS BOOKS HAVE INCLUDED
"COSA NOSTRA," "DARKEST ITALY"
715
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,000
AND "BLOOD BROTHERHOODS."
716
00:33:57,036 --> 00:34:01,038
ACCORDING TO DICKIE, VAST SUMS
OF MONEY HAVE BEEN STOLEN
717
00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:04,508
AND MISAPPROPRIATED
BY THE CHURCH IN RECENT YEARS.
718
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:10,013
THE FINANCES OF THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH ARE AN ABSOLUTE LABYRINTH
719
00:34:10,049 --> 00:34:13,583
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT JUST
TALKING ABOUT ONE POT
720
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:16,787
OF CASH UNDER
THE CONTROL OF THE POPE.
721
00:34:16,822 --> 00:34:19,790
YOU'VE GOT PARISHES, DIOCESE.
722
00:34:19,825 --> 00:34:22,626
YOU'VE GOT THE HOLY SEE,
723
00:34:22,661 --> 00:34:25,395
WHICH IS LIKE THE POPE'S
MISSION TO THE WORLD.
724
00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:29,266
YOU GOT THE VATICAN CITY,
WHICH IS A MINI COUNTRY,
725
00:34:29,301 --> 00:34:32,335
AND YOU'VE GOT THE CHURCHES OF
ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES,
726
00:34:32,371 --> 00:34:35,605
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL OF
THE DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS ORDERS.
727
00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:38,909
NOW, OVER THE CENTURIES,
ALL OF THESE BODIES
728
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:41,278
HAVE ACCUMULATED DONATIONS
729
00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:44,214
AND BUILDINGS
AND CHURCHES,
730
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:46,650
AND NOBODY HAS KEPT TABS
ON THIS STUFF.
731
00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:49,086
NOBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH MONEY
THE CHURCH HAS GOT,
732
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:51,588
LEAST OF ALL THE CHURCH.
733
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:54,257
Howells: FOR CENTURIES,
YOU WOULD HAVE ONE POPE
734
00:34:54,293 --> 00:34:56,526
WHO WOULD SPEND EVERYTHING
INTO THE COFFERS,
735
00:34:56,562 --> 00:34:58,128
AND THE NEXT POPE
WOULD COME IN AND TAX
736
00:34:58,163 --> 00:34:59,896
AND REBUILD AND PUT
ALL THE MONEY BACK IN.
737
00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:01,431
AND THE NEXT POPE
WOULD COME IN AND START
738
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:03,366
BUILDING LAVISH WORKS
AND BUILDINGS.
739
00:35:03,402 --> 00:35:05,535
AND THAT STILL APPEARS TO GO ON.
740
00:35:05,571 --> 00:35:08,205
AND THE CURRENT POPE
IS VERY HUMBLE,
741
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,607
AND HE'S VERY AGAINST
SPENDING AND LIVES
742
00:35:10,642 --> 00:35:12,876
WITH A SENSE OF HUMILITY.
743
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:15,112
THE PROBLEM THE VATICAN
HAS GOT ITSELF INTO,
744
00:35:15,147 --> 00:35:16,413
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS
745
00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,115
I THINK THEY CHOSE
THE CURRENT POPE,
746
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,417
IS IT HAS BECOME
COMPLETELY INCONGRUENT
747
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,018
WITH CHRISTIAN VALUES,
748
00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:25,355
BASIC CHRISTIAN VALUES
OF HUMILITY AND LOVE AND POVERTY
749
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,257
AND WHY JESUS ACTED AND BEHAVED.
750
00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:28,725
HE NEVER KEPT ANY MONEY.
751
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,028
HE GAVE EVERYTHING TO THE POOR,
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE VATICAN
752
00:35:32,064 --> 00:35:34,297
AND THE BILLIONS OF POUNDS
WORTH OF WORKS OF ART,
753
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:38,435
THOSE STATUES AND DOCUMENTS,
ALL THIS WEALTH AND LAVISHNESS.
754
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,537
SO WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF THAT?
755
00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:44,307
♪♪
756
00:35:44,343 --> 00:35:47,677
Narrator: AUTHOR JOHN DICKIE
REVEALS THE HUGE IMPACT
757
00:35:47,713 --> 00:35:50,614
AND DAMAGE OF THE VATICAN
FINANCIAL SCANDALS
758
00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:52,782
AND HOW THE CHURCH
IN ROME IS NOW
759
00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:55,886
BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE
FOR ITS ACTIONS.
760
00:35:55,921 --> 00:35:59,756
AND WE EXPLORE WHAT THE FUTURE
HOLDS FOR THE HOLY SEE
761
00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:02,025
AND HOW IT WILL CHANGE OR NOT
762
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,227
TO FACE THE 21st CENTURY,
763
00:36:04,263 --> 00:36:08,665
COMING UP IN THE FINAL PART
OF "FORBIDDEN HISTORY."
764
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,167
♪♪
765
00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:13,403
Narrator: FOR YEARS NOW,
THE VATICAN HAS BEEN ACCUSED
766
00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:16,840
OF ALL MANNER OF SINS,
LIES, AND COVER-UPS.
767
00:36:16,875 --> 00:36:20,777
SOME OF IT THEY HAVE ADMITTED
TO AND APOLOGIZED FOR,
768
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,547
BUT MUCH, THEY HAVE NOT.
769
00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:28,718
THE RESULT IS A HOLY SEE UNDER
THE SPOTLIGHT AS NEVER BEFORE
770
00:36:28,754 --> 00:36:31,054
AND A TESTING TIME
FOR THE POPE
771
00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:33,690
AND HIS SENIOR CARDINALS.
772
00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:35,926
♪♪
773
00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:37,394
Dickie:
POPE FRANCIS IS UNDOUBTED.
774
00:36:37,429 --> 00:36:39,829
HE CAME IN ON A BRIEF
775
00:36:39,865 --> 00:36:42,499
TO INTRODUCE FINANCIAL
TRANSPARENCY,
776
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:47,404
AND HE'S CERTAINLY DONE
THAT AT THE CENTRAL LEVEL,
777
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:50,373
PARTICULARLY AT THE LEVEL
OF THE VATICAN BANK --
778
00:36:50,409 --> 00:36:53,944
THE I.O.R. --
WHICH FOR A LONG TIME,
779
00:36:53,979 --> 00:36:55,912
WAS LIKE AN OFFSHORE BANK.
780
00:36:55,948 --> 00:36:58,782
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE
POLITICAL BRIBES BEING LAUNDERED
781
00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:01,218
THROUGH THE VATICAN BANK,
IN THE 1990s,
782
00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:03,920
MAFIA MONEY --
SCANDALOUS.
783
00:37:03,956 --> 00:37:06,122
AND A LOT HAS BEEN DONE
784
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:09,526
TO MAKE THE VATICAN BANK
MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT,
785
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,396
BUT POPE FRANCIS HAS GOT A BIG,
BIG JOB AHEAD OF HIM.
786
00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,700
IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE
10 REFORMING POPES
787
00:37:16,735 --> 00:37:21,137
AND NOT JUST ONE
TO REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM
788
00:37:21,173 --> 00:37:24,641
OF ALL OF THE MEANDERING
789
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:28,745
UNDERGROUND RIVERS OF MONEY
790
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:33,717
WITHIN THE CHURCH
IN THE BROAD SENSE.
791
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,919
Gough: EVERY NEW POPE,
INCLUDING THE CURRENT ONE,
792
00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:38,622
CLAIMS THAT THEY ARE GOING
TO REFORM THE CHURCH.
793
00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:40,023
YEAH, RIGHT.
794
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:43,360
THIS IS THE WEALTHIEST
INSTITUTION THAT'S EVER BEEN.
795
00:37:43,395 --> 00:37:45,495
THEY ANSWER TO NO ONE.
796
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:48,665
THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY
ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS,
797
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,201
SO I LIKE THE FACT
THAT HE'S TRYING,
798
00:37:51,236 --> 00:37:53,069
BUT GOOD LUCK TO HIM.
799
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,639
♪♪
800
00:37:55,674 --> 00:37:59,075
Narrator: SO TODAY,
THE VATICAN IS STILL FACING
801
00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:02,112
SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS
ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS
802
00:38:02,147 --> 00:38:05,548
AS IT HAS FOR MUCH
OF ITS THOUSAND-YEAR EXISTENCE.
803
00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:08,285
IN EACH CASE, THE VATICAN
HAS BEEN FORCED
804
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,021
TIME AFTER TIME TO APOLOGIZE
805
00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:14,057
AND PAY HUGE FINES
IN COMPENSATION,
806
00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:17,927
YET CONTINUES TO COURT
NEW CONTROVERSY.
807
00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:21,398
HOWEVER, WHAT IS STILL UNCLEAR
IS WHAT WAS NOT DISCOVERED
808
00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:23,066
OR NOT REVEALED
809
00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:26,603
IN THE VARIOUS ARCHIVE OPENINGS.
810
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:27,971
MANY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE
811
00:38:28,006 --> 00:38:30,707
THAT THE HEAVILY-GUARDED VAULTS
UNDER THE VATICAN
812
00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:32,876
CONTAIN HERETICAL MATERIAL,
813
00:38:32,911 --> 00:38:35,745
INCLUDING ALTERNATIVE
CHRISTIAN GOSPELS,
814
00:38:35,781 --> 00:38:39,082
CAPTURED GOSPELS FROM
OTHER COMPETING RELIGIONS,
815
00:38:39,117 --> 00:38:40,784
AND EVEN CORE RELICS
816
00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:43,219
SUCH AS
THE ARK OF THE COVENANT
817
00:38:43,255 --> 00:38:46,656
AND THE HUMAN REMAINS
OF JESUS HIMSELF.
818
00:38:46,692 --> 00:38:51,361
STRICTLY NO BROWSING IS ALLOWED
IN THE SECRET ARCHIVES.
819
00:38:51,396 --> 00:38:54,664
YOU'RE ONLY PERMITTED ACCESS
TO THE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS
820
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,567
OR OBJECTS
THAT YOU ASK TO SEE
821
00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,736
AND THAT
THE VATICAN HAVE CONFIRMED
822
00:38:59,771 --> 00:39:02,038
THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE.
823
00:39:02,074 --> 00:39:05,241
SOME HAVE ACCUSED THIS
AS BEING THE PERFECT WAY
824
00:39:05,277 --> 00:39:08,478
TO HIDE ANYTHING THEY LIKE.
825
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:12,382
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY
IS THAT IT IS SLOWLY ENTERING
826
00:39:12,417 --> 00:39:14,217
INTO THE 21st CENTURY
827
00:39:14,252 --> 00:39:17,153
IN WHICH IT'S BEING HELD
TO ACCOUNT MORE.
828
00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:18,588
I THINK PEOPLE ARE MORE CYNICAL.
829
00:39:18,623 --> 00:39:20,090
THEY ARE LESS TRUSTING,
830
00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:22,525
AND EVEN PEOPLE
WHO ARE DEVOUT CATHOLICS
831
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:24,094
LOOK AT THE VATICAN AND GO,
832
00:39:24,129 --> 00:39:27,797
"IS THIS REPRESENTING
WHAT I WANT IN AN INSTITUTION
833
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,500
THAT IS THERE TO PROMULGATE
AND FURTHER MY FAITH?"
834
00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,802
AND THESE ARE REASONABLE
QUESTIONS TO ASK.
835
00:39:32,838 --> 00:39:35,538
Dr. Papadopoulos: THERE'S A LOT
ABOUT THE VATICAN THAT'S REALLY,
836
00:39:35,574 --> 00:39:37,107
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT,
QUITE ARCHAIC.
837
00:39:37,142 --> 00:39:39,409
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
THIS FEEDS INTO
838
00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:42,779
ONE OF THE CORE NOTIONS
OF RELIGION IN GENERAL.
839
00:39:42,814 --> 00:39:44,748
YOU DO NOT CHANGE.
840
00:39:44,783 --> 00:39:47,617
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT IT RIGHT,
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MESSIAH CAME
841
00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:49,686
AND SAID THIS IS HOW IT WAS,
AND YOU DON'T QUESTION
842
00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,822
AND YOU DON'T CHANGE,
BECAUSE IF YOU CHANGE ONE THING,
843
00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:54,691
THEN EVERYTHING BEGINS
TO BE QUESTIONED.
844
00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:57,694
AND I GUESS THIS IS VERY MUCH
WHAT THEY LIVE BY.
845
00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:02,632
Felix: THE WHOLE JESUS STORY
IS MADE UP,
846
00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:05,435
AND EVERYTHING FROM
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS,
847
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:08,271
THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS,
FOUR MORTAL SINS, PURGATORY,
848
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:10,206
HELLFIRE, DAMNATION,
849
00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:12,976
BEELZEBUB, BAPHOMET, BAAL,
THE DEVIL, DEMONS,
850
00:40:13,011 --> 00:40:14,978
THE ANTICHRIST, AND WITCHES
851
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:19,883
ARE ALL MADE UP TO KEEP US
UNDER CONTROL THROUGH FEAR.
852
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:22,285
Gough: THERE'S NO DEFENDING
THE CORRUPTION IN THE VATICAN
853
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,520
FROM A FINANCIAL DEALINGS
854
00:40:23,555 --> 00:40:26,289
TO THE VERY, VERY PUBLIC
CHILD MOLESTATION,
855
00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:28,525
BUT THAT HASN'T STOPPED THEM.
856
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,461
I THINK THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED.
857
00:40:31,496 --> 00:40:32,962
IMAGINE A TIME BOMB.
858
00:40:32,998 --> 00:40:35,532
A WHISTLE-BLOWER
IS GOING TO EMERGE,
859
00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:37,867
THE EQUIVALENT OF EDWIN SNOWDEN,
860
00:40:37,903 --> 00:40:39,869
AND THE WHOLE THING
IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED --
861
00:40:39,905 --> 00:40:41,504
NOT A FEW DOCUMENTS
THAT A PRIEST LEAKS
862
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:43,406
TO THE MEDIA -- EVERYTHING.
863
00:40:43,442 --> 00:40:44,941
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME
864
00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:48,678
BEFORE THE WHOLE THING
TUMBLES DOWN.
865
00:40:48,713 --> 00:40:52,148
Narrator: IT'S BEEN MIRED
IN SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL
866
00:40:52,184 --> 00:40:54,517
FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS
OR SO --
867
00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:59,422
MONEY LAUNDERING, THEFT,
BULLYING, CHILD ABUSE.
868
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:03,760
NO MATTER HOW MUCH IS THROWN
AT THE VATICAN, IT SHRUGS IT OFF
869
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:06,796
AND SEEMS TO REMAIN
AS STRONG AS EVER.
870
00:41:06,832 --> 00:41:09,098
ITS CRITICS HAVE
WRITTEN IT OFF FOR DECADES,
871
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:10,366
PREDICTING ITS COLLAPSE,
872
00:41:10,402 --> 00:41:13,102
AND YET, IN SOME PARTS
OF THE WORLD,
873
00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:15,772
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
IS ACTUALLY GROWING.
874
00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:19,375
THE NEW POPE, FRANCIS,
IS SAID TO BE CLEANING UP,
875
00:41:19,411 --> 00:41:23,346
BUT WHETHER HE WILL SUCCEED,
IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY.
876
00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:25,748
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN --
877
00:41:25,784 --> 00:41:28,117
THE NEXT CHAPTER IN
THE VATICAN'S HISTORY
878
00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:31,320
IS GOING TO BE
AN INTERESTING ONE.
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