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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,243 --> 00:00:04,487 [Banging] 2 00:00:04,590 --> 00:00:06,523 [Door creaks] 3 00:00:06,627 --> 00:00:08,732 [Banging continues] 4 00:00:11,873 --> 00:00:12,943 [Gun cocks] 5 00:00:13,047 --> 00:00:14,635 [Gunshot] 6 00:00:14,738 --> 00:00:17,224 [Footsteps pounding] 7 00:00:17,327 --> 00:00:18,259 [Gun cocks] 8 00:00:18,363 --> 00:00:19,605 [Gunshot] 9 00:00:19,709 --> 00:00:21,952 [Footsteps crunching] 10 00:00:22,056 --> 00:00:23,368 [Gun cocks, gunshot] 11 00:00:23,471 --> 00:00:25,611 [Cell doors clanging] 12 00:00:29,857 --> 00:00:32,342 [Men shouting indistinctly] 13 00:00:32,446 --> 00:00:39,591 ♪♪ 14 00:00:39,694 --> 00:00:46,943 ♪♪ 15 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:50,636 [Keys jangling] 16 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:53,674 [Siren wails] 17 00:00:53,777 --> 00:00:56,332 Man: There is all the difference in the world 18 00:00:56,435 --> 00:00:58,196 between the career criminal 19 00:00:58,299 --> 00:01:01,199 who sets out deliberately to burgle a house 20 00:01:01,302 --> 00:01:02,924 and a terrified homeowner 21 00:01:03,028 --> 00:01:05,582 who acts to protect himself and his home. 22 00:01:05,686 --> 00:01:07,757 [Dog barking] 23 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:10,173 Reporter: Once at the home of the farmer Tony Martin 24 00:01:10,277 --> 00:01:12,175 the pair broke into the property, 25 00:01:12,279 --> 00:01:15,316 and very quickly, the gunshots began. 26 00:01:18,595 --> 00:01:21,011 Reporter #2: He did shoot the teenage boy, 27 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:23,186 but to many people, he did nothing more 28 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:26,534 than exercise the right to protect his property. 29 00:01:26,638 --> 00:01:28,260 Man #2: I reckon they should just forget the law 30 00:01:28,364 --> 00:01:29,744 and just let people take it into their own hands nowadays 31 00:01:29,848 --> 00:01:31,470 'cause it's the only way it's gonna work. 32 00:01:31,574 --> 00:01:33,645 [Camera shutter clicking] 33 00:01:36,406 --> 00:01:38,167 Man #3: The law says, as in any other case 34 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:41,894 where you claim self-defense, you must act reasonably. 35 00:01:41,998 --> 00:01:50,040 ♪♪ 36 00:01:50,144 --> 00:01:58,290 ♪♪ 37 00:01:58,394 --> 00:02:06,471 ♪♪ 38 00:02:06,574 --> 00:02:14,686 ♪♪ 39 00:02:14,789 --> 00:02:18,586 [Door clanging] 40 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:20,416 Guard: Mr. Martin. 41 00:02:20,519 --> 00:02:22,797 [Men shouting in background] 42 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:31,530 [Door slams] 43 00:02:31,634 --> 00:02:35,534 [Shouting continues] 44 00:02:35,638 --> 00:02:36,984 [Banging] 45 00:02:37,087 --> 00:02:39,745 [ Distorted shouting] 46 00:02:41,816 --> 00:02:44,302 Ah. [Sniffles] 47 00:02:44,405 --> 00:02:47,028 [Clears throat] 48 00:02:47,132 --> 00:02:48,996 [Shouting continues] 49 00:02:54,139 --> 00:02:57,763 Mr. Martin, come in. Have a seat. 50 00:02:57,867 --> 00:03:00,525 [ Distorted footsteps] 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,778 [Recorder emits long beep] 52 00:03:17,783 --> 00:03:19,337 [Door slams] 53 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,685 ♪♪ 54 00:03:22,788 --> 00:03:26,413 The time is 13:54. 55 00:03:26,516 --> 00:03:28,311 I'm Detective Constable Peters, 56 00:03:28,415 --> 00:03:30,624 and my colleague interviewing with me is... 57 00:03:30,727 --> 00:03:32,695 Detective Sergeant Newton. 58 00:03:32,798 --> 00:03:35,007 Right. Mr. Martin, can you introduce yourself 59 00:03:35,111 --> 00:03:39,840 by giving your full name and date of birth, please? 60 00:03:39,943 --> 00:03:42,705 My name is Anthony Edward Martin, 61 00:03:42,808 --> 00:03:46,881 and I was born on the 16th of December, 1944. 62 00:03:46,985 --> 00:03:48,711 At the moment, you have declined 63 00:03:48,814 --> 00:03:51,231 to have a legal representative.Yes. 64 00:03:51,334 --> 00:03:53,612 Peters: Is there any reason why you don't want to have 65 00:03:53,716 --> 00:03:56,615 a solicitor at this time? 66 00:03:56,719 --> 00:03:59,066 I've had a horrendous experience. 67 00:04:04,036 --> 00:04:05,486 Are you okay now? 68 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,353 [Heavy breathing] 69 00:04:10,457 --> 00:04:14,909 ♪♪ 70 00:04:15,013 --> 00:04:18,706 Right. Well, I've got to caution you, Mr. Martin. 71 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:21,330 The caution is as follows. 72 00:04:21,433 --> 00:04:23,366 You do not have to say anything. 73 00:04:23,470 --> 00:04:24,954 But it may harm your defense 74 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:26,749 if you do not mention when questioned 75 00:04:26,852 --> 00:04:29,441 something which you later rely on in court. 76 00:04:31,581 --> 00:04:35,585 Anything you say may be given in evidence. 77 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:37,380 Do you understand the caution? -Yes. 78 00:04:37,484 --> 00:04:39,037 Can you just sign this form 79 00:04:39,140 --> 00:04:40,832 to say that you consent to being interviewed 80 00:04:40,935 --> 00:04:43,524 without the presence of a solicitor, just here? 81 00:04:43,628 --> 00:04:45,285 Look. 82 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:55,295 [Sniffles] 83 00:04:55,398 --> 00:04:58,781 Thanks very much, Mr. Martin. 84 00:04:58,884 --> 00:05:03,682 Now, the offense for which you've been arrested 85 00:05:03,786 --> 00:05:05,408 is attempted murder. 86 00:05:07,376 --> 00:05:11,069 What, in your words, happened yesterday? 87 00:05:11,172 --> 00:05:13,382 I really can't tell you. 88 00:05:13,485 --> 00:05:14,659 Are you saying your memory is gone? 89 00:05:14,762 --> 00:05:16,350 Why is it you can't tell us? 90 00:05:19,767 --> 00:05:21,113 What do you remember about the incident? 91 00:05:21,217 --> 00:05:22,149 I really can't tell you. 92 00:05:22,252 --> 00:05:24,047 It's an absolute nightmare. 93 00:05:24,151 --> 00:05:25,566 It's -- I just -- 94 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:27,982 Is it because you don't want to tell us, Mr. Martin? 95 00:05:32,677 --> 00:05:34,817 I was asleep, and I heard a noise. 96 00:05:36,888 --> 00:05:38,614 And I've heard so many noises over the years 97 00:05:38,717 --> 00:05:42,411 that, really, I just don't want to ponder on it at the moment. 98 00:05:42,514 --> 00:05:45,068 [Breathes shakily] 99 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:50,695 It's so horrendous. 100 00:05:50,798 --> 00:05:53,214 You're so vulnerable. 101 00:05:53,318 --> 00:05:55,216 There is nobody to help you. 102 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:06,987 Whereabouts were you asleep? 103 00:06:10,784 --> 00:06:12,682 You're on your own. 104 00:06:18,757 --> 00:06:21,277 I was up in the bedroom. 105 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:22,830 Where did you hear the noises? 106 00:06:22,934 --> 00:06:25,246 I don't know. 107 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:28,422 I just live in one room. 108 00:06:28,526 --> 00:06:30,044 I've never been so afraid in all my life. 109 00:06:30,148 --> 00:06:32,288 I hate to admit it. 110 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:33,876 I don't know whether it's a failing to say that, 111 00:06:33,979 --> 00:06:37,086 but I really... 112 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:39,778 absolutely terrified. 113 00:06:39,882 --> 00:06:41,539 I just don't wish to discuss it any more today. 114 00:06:41,642 --> 00:06:43,264 Thank you very much. 115 00:06:45,888 --> 00:06:47,510 I just want... 116 00:06:49,512 --> 00:06:52,481 I just want solace. 117 00:06:52,584 --> 00:06:54,552 I wanted it for so long. 118 00:06:56,588 --> 00:06:58,728 I can't get any peace. 119 00:07:12,535 --> 00:07:15,573 Well, can you describe where you live, please? 120 00:07:17,782 --> 00:07:19,715 I live at a place called Bleak House. 121 00:07:19,818 --> 00:07:25,755 ♪♪ 122 00:07:25,859 --> 00:07:29,932 I live down a pea-gravel drive with lime trees. 123 00:07:30,035 --> 00:07:34,626 ♪♪ 124 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:36,421 Okay. So we've established that 125 00:07:36,525 --> 00:07:39,976 you were upstairs having a sleep. 126 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,599 I'd gone to bed for the night. 127 00:07:41,702 --> 00:07:45,913 ♪♪ 128 00:07:46,017 --> 00:07:49,814 The noise you heard downstairs inside the house -- 129 00:07:49,917 --> 00:07:53,196 what do you do next? 130 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:55,336 I really don't want to talk about it. 131 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,201 [ Distorted banging] 132 00:07:58,305 --> 00:08:00,825 Have you got a shotgun? 133 00:08:00,928 --> 00:08:03,068 I don't want to talk about it anymore. 134 00:08:03,172 --> 00:08:04,932 Well, I mean, that's not talking about it. 135 00:08:05,036 --> 00:08:06,658 I mean, that -- that's a simple question. 136 00:08:06,762 --> 00:08:08,764 You either have or have not got a shotgun. 137 00:08:08,867 --> 00:08:11,594 I just -- I just don't want to talk about it anymore today. 138 00:08:11,698 --> 00:08:14,873 See, we need some answers to our questions 139 00:08:14,977 --> 00:08:16,944 because from our inquiries so far, 140 00:08:17,048 --> 00:08:18,981 we believe you were responsible 141 00:08:19,084 --> 00:08:22,363 for shooting a man by the name of... 142 00:08:22,467 --> 00:08:24,089 Brendon Fearon. 143 00:08:27,058 --> 00:08:30,233 Well? 144 00:08:30,337 --> 00:08:33,547 Did you shoot anybody last night? 145 00:08:39,277 --> 00:08:40,450 What if I were to put it to you 146 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:44,800 that you said to, uh, Paul Leet, 147 00:08:44,903 --> 00:08:46,491 "They were in my house. 148 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:47,734 I don't know who they were, 149 00:08:47,837 --> 00:08:49,805 but they had pulled a window out"? 150 00:08:49,908 --> 00:08:51,531 Was that right? 151 00:08:51,634 --> 00:08:55,500 Well, I don't really know. 152 00:08:55,604 --> 00:09:00,263 When you say, "they," what do you mean? 153 00:09:00,367 --> 00:09:03,370 We've only got one man injured. 154 00:09:03,473 --> 00:09:05,855 Well, there were people talking. 155 00:09:05,959 --> 00:09:07,098 How many? 156 00:09:07,201 --> 00:09:08,409 I don't know. There was more than one. 157 00:09:08,513 --> 00:09:09,549 Inside the house or outside the house? 158 00:09:09,652 --> 00:09:11,309 Inside the house. 159 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:20,007 You told Paul Leet 160 00:09:20,111 --> 00:09:23,355 you shot somebody last night. 161 00:09:23,459 --> 00:09:25,254 You shot at them. 162 00:09:27,497 --> 00:09:30,397 All we want to know is, what did you use to shoot at them? 163 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:34,401 Where were them, and why did you shoot at them? 164 00:09:34,504 --> 00:09:37,611 That's what we want to know 165 00:09:37,715 --> 00:09:42,340 because you're the person with a gun pulling the trigger. 166 00:09:42,443 --> 00:09:44,066 We just need to know your account 167 00:09:44,169 --> 00:09:47,483 of what occurred yesterday that resulted in a man 168 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:51,901 staggering to the Leets' with serious shotgun wounds. 169 00:09:52,005 --> 00:09:53,938 [ Distorted banging] 170 00:09:58,908 --> 00:10:02,118 You also, I believe, said, 171 00:10:02,222 --> 00:10:03,810 "If the judges lock them up, 172 00:10:03,913 --> 00:10:06,744 they wouldn't have to lock me up for what I did." 173 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:08,884 Well, I don't know what I did say. 174 00:10:08,987 --> 00:10:11,300 I think you're being slightly evasive here, Mr. Martin. 175 00:10:11,403 --> 00:10:13,647 I am not being evasive about anything. I don't -- 176 00:10:13,751 --> 00:10:15,304 Well, you're being selective, aren't you? 177 00:10:15,407 --> 00:10:17,030 Well, no. I don't even know what you're talking about, 178 00:10:17,133 --> 00:10:18,410 about being selective. 179 00:10:18,514 --> 00:10:20,343 You are, because you're being selective 180 00:10:20,447 --> 00:10:21,759 about what you care to remember 181 00:10:21,862 --> 00:10:24,693 and who you care to remember it to. 182 00:10:24,796 --> 00:10:27,350 You're prepared to talk to Paul Leet about this matter, 183 00:10:27,454 --> 00:10:29,732 but you are not prepared to talk to us. 184 00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:32,839 [Sighs] 185 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,501 My life's a nightmare. 186 00:10:40,605 --> 00:10:42,089 I've had a lot of nightmares in my life. 187 00:10:42,193 --> 00:10:43,608 I've had a lot of things pull me right down, 188 00:10:43,712 --> 00:10:46,715 but I tell you, this is something... 189 00:10:46,818 --> 00:10:48,509 [Sighs] 190 00:10:48,613 --> 00:10:51,305 Well, tell us about this. 191 00:10:51,409 --> 00:10:54,584 I just can't handle it. 192 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:57,657 I'd just rather go back to my cell and read Churchill. 193 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,559 ♪♪ 194 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:07,736 Mr. Martin, would you like to speak to a solicitor? 195 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:10,531 I just want some peace. I'm very tired. 196 00:11:10,635 --> 00:11:12,050 Mr. Martin, you have -- 197 00:11:12,154 --> 00:11:13,569 That's the end of this conversation. 198 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:15,088 I don't want to relive it. 199 00:11:15,191 --> 00:11:16,572 Well, at some stage, you're gonna have to relive it. 200 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:19,333 No, no. I don't have to do anything. 201 00:11:21,957 --> 00:11:24,028 I told you before, I was terrified. 202 00:11:24,131 --> 00:11:25,823 Terrified about what?I can't tell you that now 203 00:11:25,926 --> 00:11:27,272 'cause you'll turn it and twist it. 204 00:11:27,376 --> 00:11:29,240 We won't twist anything. 205 00:11:29,343 --> 00:11:31,518 We're -- we're not here to judge. 206 00:11:31,621 --> 00:11:33,727 We're here to gather evidence and let somebody else decide. 207 00:11:33,831 --> 00:11:35,902 Take me to Norwich Prison. Get rid of me, out of the way. 208 00:11:36,005 --> 00:11:38,421 -Mr. Martin! -I wish I was in China. 209 00:11:38,525 --> 00:11:39,733 They'd put a bullet in my bloody head, 210 00:11:39,837 --> 00:11:43,012 and I'll be finished, out the way. 211 00:11:43,116 --> 00:11:45,635 I'm finished. This conversation is finished. 212 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:47,258 May I please go back to the cell? 213 00:11:47,361 --> 00:11:48,949 You will shortly. 214 00:11:49,053 --> 00:11:52,401 [Sighs] 215 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:55,507 Come on. You're a man of the world. 216 00:11:55,611 --> 00:11:57,268 You're a man of principles. 217 00:11:59,373 --> 00:12:01,548 And you've let yourself down, haven't you? 218 00:12:05,379 --> 00:12:09,004 You've become something that you despise, 219 00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:10,384 haven't you, really, Mr. Martin? 220 00:12:10,488 --> 00:12:14,630 ♪♪ 221 00:12:16,839 --> 00:12:19,669 Hilary: I have a son, Anthony Martin. 222 00:12:24,157 --> 00:12:27,160 He lives at Bleak House, Smeeth Road. 223 00:12:29,576 --> 00:12:32,855 He's lived there for about the last 20 years... 224 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:38,136 ♪♪ 225 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,482 ...on his own. 226 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,973 The house and contents were left to him by his aunt on her death. 227 00:12:47,076 --> 00:12:49,078 [ Distorted voices] 228 00:12:51,978 --> 00:12:56,810 Earlier this year, someone stole items from Anthony's house. 229 00:12:56,914 --> 00:12:59,226 [ Dog barking] 230 00:12:59,330 --> 00:13:01,539 He was very upset. 231 00:13:03,196 --> 00:13:06,613 Since that event, he has talked more and more 232 00:13:06,716 --> 00:13:09,305 about his worries and fears. 233 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,070 My son has always been very highly strung 234 00:13:15,173 --> 00:13:17,969 and has a tendency to worry about things. 235 00:13:18,073 --> 00:13:20,800 ♪♪ 236 00:13:20,903 --> 00:13:24,562 [Keys jangling] 237 00:13:24,665 --> 00:13:26,598 [Door opens] 238 00:13:26,702 --> 00:13:34,917 ♪♪ 239 00:13:35,021 --> 00:13:39,163 At 2300 hours on Friday, the 20th of August, 240 00:13:39,266 --> 00:13:41,510 police were called to a house in Hungate, 241 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,514 where a man was found suffering from gunshot wounds. 242 00:13:45,617 --> 00:13:47,171 You, Mr. Martin, were arrested 243 00:13:47,274 --> 00:13:50,001 on suspicion of attempted murder. 244 00:13:50,105 --> 00:13:51,589 You were interviewed by myself 245 00:13:51,692 --> 00:13:55,938 and Detective Sergeant Newton about that offense. 246 00:13:56,042 --> 00:14:00,391 Now, unbeknown to us, 247 00:14:00,494 --> 00:14:01,944 at the time of your interview, 248 00:14:02,048 --> 00:14:04,291 the body of a young man was discovered by the police 249 00:14:04,395 --> 00:14:07,777 in the grounds of your home -- 250 00:14:07,881 --> 00:14:09,710 Fred Barras. 251 00:14:09,814 --> 00:14:17,477 ♪♪ 252 00:14:17,580 --> 00:14:19,720 [ Distorted high-pitched ringing] 253 00:14:19,824 --> 00:14:31,663 ♪♪ 254 00:14:31,767 --> 00:14:33,873 [Door slams] 255 00:14:33,976 --> 00:14:36,151 [ Distorted clanging] 256 00:14:36,254 --> 00:14:42,882 ♪♪ 257 00:14:42,985 --> 00:14:45,677 [Birds chirping] 258 00:14:48,749 --> 00:14:52,719 Woolf: On the night of the 20th of August, 1999, 259 00:14:52,822 --> 00:14:56,585 Brendon Fearon and Freddy Barras were driven by a third man 260 00:14:56,688 --> 00:14:58,552 to the vicinity of Bleak House. 261 00:14:58,656 --> 00:15:01,417 [Engine starts] 262 00:15:01,521 --> 00:15:05,697 Brendon Fearon was 30 and has a criminal record for burglary, 263 00:15:05,801 --> 00:15:08,769 criminal damage, assault, and wounding. 264 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,878 Fred Barras was only 16. 265 00:15:13,982 --> 00:15:16,225 He also had a number of findings of guilt 266 00:15:16,329 --> 00:15:20,126 for dishonesty and bad or violent behavior. 267 00:15:20,229 --> 00:15:25,372 ♪♪ 268 00:15:25,476 --> 00:15:28,272 There was evidence that he had told an acquaintance 269 00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:32,690 that he was planning a burglary on a remote farm in Norfolk. 270 00:15:32,793 --> 00:15:34,657 [Car door slams] 271 00:15:51,364 --> 00:15:53,262 [Footsteps approaching] 272 00:15:53,366 --> 00:15:55,747 Woolf: Just down to the left here please, Mr. Martin. 273 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:28,711 ♪♪ 274 00:16:28,815 --> 00:16:31,852 [Whispering indistinctly] 275 00:16:31,956 --> 00:16:37,824 ♪♪ 276 00:16:37,927 --> 00:16:43,830 ♪♪ 277 00:16:43,933 --> 00:16:47,489 [Recorder emits long beep] 278 00:16:51,148 --> 00:16:55,704 So that everybody in this room knows what's happened, 279 00:16:55,807 --> 00:16:59,604 you were arrested by me in your cell 280 00:16:59,708 --> 00:17:01,848 on suspicion of this man's murder. 281 00:17:04,989 --> 00:17:06,577 [Sniffs] 282 00:17:07,405 --> 00:17:10,546 In order to assist my client today in recounting the offenses 283 00:17:10,650 --> 00:17:14,654 which he's under arrest for, he has prepared some notes. 284 00:17:14,757 --> 00:17:16,000 I would be grateful if, officers, 285 00:17:16,104 --> 00:17:17,622 you could show a degree of forbearance 286 00:17:17,726 --> 00:17:19,210 when he's going through those notes, 287 00:17:19,314 --> 00:17:22,662 as you will appreciate it is a difficult time for him. 288 00:17:22,765 --> 00:17:25,113 I must remind you, you are still under the caution 289 00:17:25,216 --> 00:17:28,219 I gave you when we started the tape. 290 00:17:28,323 --> 00:17:31,498 Do you remember? -Yes. 291 00:17:31,602 --> 00:17:33,673 Will you now give us an account 292 00:17:33,776 --> 00:17:37,608 of what occurred at your home on Friday evening? 293 00:17:39,989 --> 00:17:41,405 Well, on this piece of paper 294 00:17:41,508 --> 00:17:43,614 that I've been writing things on while asleep last night, 295 00:17:43,717 --> 00:17:47,100 things are clearer. Um... 296 00:17:48,274 --> 00:17:50,724 Well, ah, nothing is i-in order 297 00:17:50,828 --> 00:17:52,071 in this statement that I'm making. 298 00:17:52,174 --> 00:17:56,661 I-I'm just going from notes from paper, but, um... 299 00:17:56,765 --> 00:17:58,732 Um... 300 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,532 I've had many threats over the years on my own property, 301 00:18:05,636 --> 00:18:08,708 minding my own business. 302 00:18:08,811 --> 00:18:10,503 I stopped reporting them to the police 303 00:18:10,606 --> 00:18:13,540 because I felt that I was not being taken seriously. 304 00:18:19,236 --> 00:18:23,930 Since I've had two previous break-ins this year in my house, 305 00:18:24,033 --> 00:18:27,106 I don't go out very often, and, now I say, 306 00:18:27,209 --> 00:18:32,318 all the time over the months and months and months of this 307 00:18:32,421 --> 00:18:35,114 that it is a fearful place where I live. 308 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:42,569 [Sniffles] 309 00:18:42,673 --> 00:18:45,607 I can only do it -- explain this, 310 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:49,438 the whole history of my life living at Bleak House. 311 00:18:54,995 --> 00:18:58,447 Nobody comes into my house. 312 00:19:01,968 --> 00:19:03,625 I'm not strange. 313 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:08,319 I want you to understand why. 314 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:16,914 I've never, ever discussed this, 315 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:18,226 not even with my mother, 316 00:19:18,329 --> 00:19:20,124 not until about four or five years ago. 317 00:19:20,228 --> 00:19:22,091 I do not want this to go public. 318 00:19:22,195 --> 00:19:28,822 ♪♪ 319 00:19:28,926 --> 00:19:31,825 We had a small cottage over at March. 320 00:19:31,929 --> 00:19:34,656 [ Distorted laughter] 321 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:36,968 There was a man. 322 00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:38,729 He used to stay with us. 323 00:19:42,111 --> 00:19:43,665 As I got older -- I don't know what age, 324 00:19:43,768 --> 00:19:45,425 I can't remember now... 325 00:19:49,084 --> 00:19:51,190 ...he used to try and molest me. 326 00:19:55,055 --> 00:19:57,989 And that's had a great effect upon my life. 327 00:19:58,093 --> 00:20:00,371 It made me very self-conscious when I was a youngster, 328 00:20:00,475 --> 00:20:02,891 and I really thought people thought I was queer. 329 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,482 Now, some people say that people play on that, 330 00:20:07,585 --> 00:20:10,657 but I've had the experience, and it doesn't leave you. 331 00:20:10,761 --> 00:20:13,108 It is a scar. 332 00:20:14,834 --> 00:20:18,734 And this is why -- one of the reasons 333 00:20:18,838 --> 00:20:20,529 I live on my own. 334 00:20:22,635 --> 00:20:26,432 Nobody ever comes into my house. 335 00:20:26,535 --> 00:20:35,026 ♪♪ 336 00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:43,690 ♪♪ 337 00:20:43,794 --> 00:20:46,797 What I would ask you now is, 338 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,799 will you give us your account of what occurred 339 00:20:48,902 --> 00:20:52,251 at your home on Friday evening? 340 00:20:58,878 --> 00:21:00,535 The gun, I've had for some time. 341 00:21:00,638 --> 00:21:01,915 I only decided to use it 342 00:21:02,019 --> 00:21:04,504 as I was sure people were coming up the stairs. 343 00:21:04,608 --> 00:21:05,988 The only protection I had is 344 00:21:06,092 --> 00:21:07,300 the top of the stairs is missing, 345 00:21:07,404 --> 00:21:08,991 and the bottom of the stairs is missing. 346 00:21:09,095 --> 00:21:11,649 I did it like that.I'm a little bit lost. 347 00:21:11,753 --> 00:21:15,274 You're saying that there are stairs missing at the bottom, 348 00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:16,654 and there are stairs missing at the top? 349 00:21:16,758 --> 00:21:18,794 Yeah, but you can still get up the stairs. 350 00:21:18,898 --> 00:21:22,315 I made it so you can still get up the staircase. 351 00:21:22,419 --> 00:21:26,077 I suppose I am wrong in law. 352 00:21:26,181 --> 00:21:27,596 Anybody should come in the house, 353 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:29,253 he shouldn't be a thief, and he fell down the stairs, 354 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,842 he'd sue me. 355 00:21:31,945 --> 00:21:34,120 Better than where I am today. 356 00:21:40,609 --> 00:21:42,197 [Sighs] 357 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,476 There's no lights in my house. 358 00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:50,654 My bedroom that night was the only place there was a light. 359 00:21:50,757 --> 00:21:54,105 I was sure people were coming up the stairs. 360 00:21:54,209 --> 00:21:56,936 In fact, I really thought somebody was on the landing. 361 00:22:01,975 --> 00:22:05,531 I went back to the bedroom to try and hide, 362 00:22:05,634 --> 00:22:09,604 and then, there's this knock, knock, knock. 363 00:22:09,707 --> 00:22:12,814 [ Knocking] 364 00:22:12,917 --> 00:22:15,299 [ Banging and clattering] 365 00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:19,234 So I took the gun out... 366 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:20,960 [ Gun cocks] 367 00:22:21,063 --> 00:22:24,895 ...loaded it, waited, 368 00:22:24,998 --> 00:22:26,724 and it seemed like forever. 369 00:22:26,828 --> 00:22:29,244 [ Door creaking] 370 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:30,797 Anthony: And at that stage -- 371 00:22:30,901 --> 00:22:33,075 we're talking in maybe trillionths of seconds -- 372 00:22:33,179 --> 00:22:36,113 I have to make decisions, and... 373 00:22:36,216 --> 00:22:40,497 and I had no choice. 374 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:46,986 I walked out of the bedroom along the landing, 375 00:22:47,089 --> 00:22:50,886 down the stairs -- halfway down the stairs -- 376 00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:53,095 and down there, 377 00:22:53,199 --> 00:22:56,098 I see some reflection of some feet. 378 00:22:56,202 --> 00:22:58,480 Now I see this light shine in my face, so what do I do? 379 00:22:58,584 --> 00:22:59,999 Who is it? 380 00:23:00,102 --> 00:23:02,691 And all of these things are all in a flash. 381 00:23:02,795 --> 00:23:06,868 Then I just couldn't stand it any longer. 382 00:23:09,042 --> 00:23:13,599 And then I... just let the gun off. 383 00:23:13,702 --> 00:23:15,911 [ Heavy breathing] 384 00:23:19,259 --> 00:23:21,607 [Gunshot] 385 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:24,920 Peters: Do you know how many times you fired the gun? 386 00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:25,956 Can't remember. 387 00:23:26,059 --> 00:23:28,027 [Gunshot] 388 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:30,719 -Until it was empty? -Until it was empty. 389 00:23:30,823 --> 00:23:32,963 [Gunshot] 390 00:23:37,208 --> 00:23:40,177 I ran up the stairs. Nobody followed me up. 391 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,937 I went into the bedroom.[ Door creaks] 392 00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,975 I came back out, went down the stairs... 393 00:23:45,078 --> 00:23:47,080 [ Footsteps pounding] 394 00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:48,323 ...looked around in that room. 395 00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,049 There's nobody there. 396 00:23:53,362 --> 00:23:56,020 Then I noticed the cupboard -- 397 00:23:56,124 --> 00:23:58,264 an oak cupboard. 398 00:23:58,367 --> 00:24:00,956 There was a drawer open. 399 00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:03,096 Then suddenly at my feet, I noticed 400 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,204 there was this holdall -- Adidas or something -- 401 00:24:07,307 --> 00:24:11,104 and there was some kind of silver in it. 402 00:24:11,208 --> 00:24:15,523 And then I thought, "Well, how have they got in the house?" 403 00:24:15,626 --> 00:24:18,457 I noticed on the garden side, the window is missing. 404 00:24:20,942 --> 00:24:24,359 Then I got in my car, and I drove. 405 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:26,913 [ Engine starts] 406 00:24:27,017 --> 00:24:28,294 [ Gun cocks] 407 00:24:28,397 --> 00:24:30,434 Were you aware that you had 408 00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:33,126 actually shot some people at this time? 409 00:24:36,095 --> 00:24:38,097 No... 410 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,202 because all I knew was, 411 00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:43,274 there was at least one person with a torch. 412 00:24:43,378 --> 00:24:45,345 So you're saying you fired at the torch. 413 00:24:45,449 --> 00:24:48,590 No. I fired below the torch. 414 00:24:48,694 --> 00:24:50,281 In the direction of the torch but below that. 415 00:24:50,385 --> 00:24:52,007 Below. 416 00:24:57,875 --> 00:25:00,499 [Sighs] 417 00:25:06,988 --> 00:25:08,472 Did you have the gun with you 418 00:25:08,576 --> 00:25:10,405 when you went for your drive around? 419 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:12,994 [ Engine running] 420 00:25:13,097 --> 00:25:14,720 Sorry? 421 00:25:18,102 --> 00:25:20,795 Did you have your gun with you 422 00:25:20,898 --> 00:25:22,797 when you went for your drive around? 423 00:25:24,592 --> 00:25:25,903 [ Gun cocks] 424 00:25:26,007 --> 00:25:28,354 Well, I didn't leave it in the house. 425 00:25:28,457 --> 00:25:31,150 There might have been somebody still in the house. 426 00:25:31,253 --> 00:25:34,015 I was looking for where these people had gone. 427 00:25:34,118 --> 00:25:36,224 Did you find anybody? 428 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,571 No. 429 00:25:38,675 --> 00:25:42,057 I, uh -- I never saw anybody at all. 430 00:25:42,161 --> 00:25:43,472 I had a root around the garden. 431 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:46,475 I mean, you're relatively safe in a car. 432 00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:48,305 And then I went 'round Paul Leet's 433 00:25:48,408 --> 00:25:51,480 'cause I knew he'd had at least one break-in during daylight. 434 00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:52,930 I thought I'd better go and tell, 435 00:25:53,034 --> 00:25:56,140 so I told him what I thought might have happened. 436 00:25:56,244 --> 00:25:59,627 Apparently, Mr. Leet tells you to phone the police. 437 00:26:01,801 --> 00:26:04,183 According to our records, you didn't do so. 438 00:26:08,670 --> 00:26:10,776 Well, I -- I didn't know what to do. 439 00:26:10,879 --> 00:26:12,605 What do I do with this gun? 440 00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:17,299 Went to see my mother. 441 00:26:17,403 --> 00:26:18,715 I'm gonna have to give myself up, 442 00:26:18,818 --> 00:26:20,786 and I wanted a little bit of time left 443 00:26:20,889 --> 00:26:22,063 for a little bit of freedom 444 00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:24,686 to get me into a state of rationality. 445 00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:28,517 Then I hid it in her toilet. 446 00:26:28,621 --> 00:26:32,211 You hid the gun in the toilet? 447 00:26:32,314 --> 00:26:33,937 I didn't hideit. 448 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,631 I just put it in there, and I left. 449 00:26:38,735 --> 00:26:41,116 And then I thought, "Shall I go home?" 450 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,740 No. 451 00:26:43,843 --> 00:26:46,432 No, I didn't want to go home. 452 00:26:46,535 --> 00:26:48,158 What was there to go home to? 453 00:26:50,919 --> 00:26:56,028 You said you had to give yourself up. 454 00:26:56,131 --> 00:26:59,065 For what? 455 00:26:59,169 --> 00:27:01,481 What did you think you'd done, 456 00:27:01,585 --> 00:27:03,587 other than discharge your gun? 457 00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:12,182 Leet: One of my near neighbors is a man I know as Tony Martin. 458 00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:14,633 [Telephone ringing] 459 00:27:16,531 --> 00:27:18,602 About a week before the shooting, 460 00:27:18,706 --> 00:27:20,500 we struck up a conversation, 461 00:27:20,604 --> 00:27:23,158 and somehow, the subject of burglaries came up. 462 00:27:23,262 --> 00:27:31,097 ♪♪ 463 00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:33,721 I remember Tony saying words to the effect 464 00:27:33,824 --> 00:27:38,104 that if he caught anyone trying to burgle him again... 465 00:27:38,208 --> 00:27:45,008 ♪♪ 466 00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:47,562 [Car doors slam] 467 00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,670 ...he would shoot them. 468 00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:55,328 Michelle. 469 00:27:58,884 --> 00:28:01,714 I would describe Tony as an eccentric 470 00:28:01,818 --> 00:28:07,133 whose behavior does not conform to what I consider normal. 471 00:28:07,237 --> 00:28:08,928 He wasn't a man who showed fear, 472 00:28:09,032 --> 00:28:13,346 and I believe Tony could lose his temper quickly. 473 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:17,799 He could be intimidating to people he didn't like. 474 00:28:17,903 --> 00:28:20,733 [Recorder emits long beep] 475 00:28:23,425 --> 00:28:25,427 [Door opens] 476 00:28:25,531 --> 00:28:30,881 ♪♪ 477 00:28:30,985 --> 00:28:32,572 [Knock at door] 478 00:28:32,676 --> 00:28:36,335 ♪♪ 479 00:28:36,438 --> 00:28:40,166 I do not think he himself could be easily intimidated. 480 00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:48,796 ♪♪ 481 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,972 Is that the gun that you used? 482 00:28:53,076 --> 00:28:55,181 It looks like it. Yes. 483 00:28:55,285 --> 00:28:57,149 That's the gun that was recovered. 484 00:28:57,252 --> 00:29:00,255 Well, I don't really remember much about it. 485 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:05,226 But that is the gun that your mother handed to us, the police. 486 00:29:05,329 --> 00:29:06,952 Okay, then. 487 00:29:19,033 --> 00:29:20,759 I feel, reading back earlier, 488 00:29:20,862 --> 00:29:24,935 I haven't made it clear to you that my horrendous experience -- 489 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,938 this break-in with my gun and on the staircase -- 490 00:29:28,042 --> 00:29:31,493 I want to make it clear that when I fired my gun, 491 00:29:31,597 --> 00:29:34,117 I genuinely thought my life was in danger. 492 00:29:36,153 --> 00:29:37,637 I don't know whether I explained it to you 493 00:29:37,741 --> 00:29:40,468 that this moment of seconds or however long it takes, 494 00:29:40,571 --> 00:29:43,540 the torch pointed at me, 495 00:29:43,643 --> 00:29:46,646 I really didn't know what was coming behind that. 496 00:29:50,892 --> 00:29:54,482 We haven't asked any questions yet, 497 00:29:54,585 --> 00:29:56,518 but we intend to. 498 00:30:04,457 --> 00:30:06,597 The first question I want to ask you... 499 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,085 ...where were you when you first heard 500 00:30:11,188 --> 00:30:13,915 the intruders in your house? 501 00:30:14,019 --> 00:30:15,675 -I was in your bed. -You were in your bed. 502 00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:17,885 Yes. 503 00:30:17,988 --> 00:30:19,783 -Were you asleep? -Yes. 504 00:30:19,887 --> 00:30:22,717 So, obviously, the noise woke you up. 505 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,788 Yes. I just sort of turned over. 506 00:30:24,892 --> 00:30:27,998 I mean, I actually sleep with my working clothes on, 507 00:30:28,102 --> 00:30:29,620 and I've got my working boots on. 508 00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:32,934 This is one of the oddities with me. 509 00:30:33,038 --> 00:30:34,833 Ah, it does have advantages 510 00:30:34,936 --> 00:30:36,800 that if something is to call unexpected, 511 00:30:36,904 --> 00:30:38,629 it's better to be running around with shoes on 512 00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:42,979 rather than trying to find and tie up shoes. 513 00:30:43,082 --> 00:30:48,708 Peters: Right. And your first thoughts were of...surprise? 514 00:30:48,812 --> 00:30:51,780 How would you describe it? 515 00:30:51,884 --> 00:30:53,644 -Alarm. -Right. 516 00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:59,409 Where was the shotgun? 517 00:31:02,791 --> 00:31:04,586 Under my bed. 518 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:12,560 ♪♪ 519 00:31:12,663 --> 00:31:20,430 ♪♪ 520 00:31:20,533 --> 00:31:25,884 So you lay there... 521 00:31:25,987 --> 00:31:27,782 listening to noises. 522 00:31:30,026 --> 00:31:31,648 You are fully dressed. 523 00:31:33,995 --> 00:31:36,722 Can you describe to me what you do next? 524 00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,897 Well... 525 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,416 my brain had already told me things weren't right. 526 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,041 Then I heard, like, a slithering. 527 00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:46,387 Then there was a banging. 528 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,389 Then there was a smashing. 529 00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:51,806 Then there was, uh, murmurings and... 530 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,430 [ Voice distorts indistinctly] 531 00:31:55,534 --> 00:31:56,707 ...bump! 532 00:31:56,811 --> 00:32:01,712 Well...I lay there with rigor mortis, 533 00:32:01,816 --> 00:32:03,542 and then I had to get down to reality. 534 00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:06,441 I'd been broken into, I assumed. 535 00:32:06,545 --> 00:32:08,512 Peters: Did you feel under the bed for the gun? 536 00:32:08,616 --> 00:32:11,550 No. That was after I went out to the stairs where I saw 537 00:32:11,653 --> 00:32:15,934 what looked like car lights or beams 538 00:32:16,037 --> 00:32:19,075 coming up the stairs really bright. 539 00:32:19,178 --> 00:32:24,011 I went back to the bedroom, and I had to make a decision, 540 00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:27,738 and, I mean, the noise and the fear and the nightmare 541 00:32:27,842 --> 00:32:31,397 that was upon me was just like being in a horror movie. 542 00:32:31,501 --> 00:32:32,467 I couldn't ring anybody. 543 00:32:32,571 --> 00:32:33,882 The phone is downstairs. 544 00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:37,265 And I just frantically went and got the gun. 545 00:32:37,369 --> 00:32:39,302 Where did you get the cartridges from? 546 00:32:42,029 --> 00:32:44,169 Out of a bag. 547 00:32:44,272 --> 00:32:48,932 -Where was the bag? -In the bedroom. 548 00:32:49,036 --> 00:32:50,969 So you loaded the gun where? 549 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:56,698 -In the bedroom. -Right. 550 00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:06,743 How did you go down the stairs? 551 00:33:06,846 --> 00:33:08,469 Well, it is a bit dodgy. 552 00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:10,850 You are talking about the top of the stairs. 553 00:33:10,954 --> 00:33:12,093 There is a bit missing. 554 00:33:12,197 --> 00:33:14,130 Mm, yeah, it was very dodgy with a gun. 555 00:33:14,233 --> 00:33:16,201 Did you get to the bottom of the stairs? 556 00:33:16,304 --> 00:33:18,341 No. You have to come down the stairs enough 557 00:33:18,444 --> 00:33:19,859 to see into the hallway, 558 00:33:19,963 --> 00:33:22,345 and that's about as far as I dared go. 559 00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:29,869 So you correct me if I'm wrong. 560 00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:35,220 You were on the stairway when you saw the men, 561 00:33:35,323 --> 00:33:37,670 when you were holding your gun. 562 00:33:37,774 --> 00:33:39,741 -Yes. -Somewhere, you think, 563 00:33:39,845 --> 00:33:41,502 midway between up and down? 564 00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:43,400 Wherever it was to give me vision to see. 565 00:33:43,504 --> 00:33:44,781 Into the room, right? 566 00:33:44,884 --> 00:33:45,989 Newton: You're halfway down the stairs. 567 00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:49,510 You have the gun. What do you see? 568 00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:51,374 Anthony: Pardon? 569 00:33:51,477 --> 00:33:52,996 If you're halfway down the stairs, 570 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,792 you have the weapon in your hand, what do you see? 571 00:33:55,895 --> 00:33:57,000 I see a torch. 572 00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:58,898 One torch that you're aware of. 573 00:33:59,002 --> 00:34:00,659 As far as I know, one torch. 574 00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:02,764 Right. What happened next? 575 00:34:02,868 --> 00:34:05,284 Well, there were mumblings. 576 00:34:05,388 --> 00:34:07,079 You didn't catch the words that were being said... 577 00:34:07,183 --> 00:34:08,598 -No. -...at any time? 578 00:34:08,701 --> 00:34:10,324 -No. -Did anybody ever speak to you? 579 00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:11,877 -No. -Did you ever speak to the man? 580 00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:13,672 No. 581 00:34:13,775 --> 00:34:16,709 Newton: Did you, at any time, warn or shout 582 00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:18,401 to anybody that you were there? 583 00:34:18,504 --> 00:34:21,197 -No. I -- I didn't do anything. -No. 584 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,751 You didn't think to do that? 585 00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:26,650 No. 586 00:34:26,754 --> 00:34:28,549 Were all the shots fired from the same position, 587 00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:29,722 from halfway up the stairs? 588 00:34:29,826 --> 00:34:31,172 Yes. 589 00:34:31,276 --> 00:34:33,864 You didn't move at all? 590 00:34:36,488 --> 00:34:38,386 No. 591 00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:40,664 N-not that I know of. 592 00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:55,403 What was your actual intention 593 00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:57,164 when you went down with the gun? 594 00:35:00,512 --> 00:35:03,825 My intention was, 595 00:35:03,929 --> 00:35:07,070 I was in fear of my life 596 00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:09,797 or of being very badly maimed or beaten up or anything. 597 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,938 All those things crossed my mind. 598 00:35:13,041 --> 00:35:17,460 It seemed to me that the gun was the safest way for me. 599 00:35:17,563 --> 00:35:19,703 And I didn't know why that torch just kept on 600 00:35:19,807 --> 00:35:21,912 peering at me for so long. 601 00:35:22,016 --> 00:35:24,467 At that stage, 602 00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:27,918 I didn't know what was going to happen. 603 00:35:28,022 --> 00:35:30,024 Why didn't you fire a warning shot? 604 00:35:32,544 --> 00:35:35,374 I really... 605 00:35:35,478 --> 00:35:38,205 I just, as I said before, 606 00:35:38,308 --> 00:35:41,069 I have had some experiences in my time, 607 00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:43,762 and, you know, people can pop out from anywhere, 608 00:35:43,865 --> 00:35:47,006 and I -- I didn't even -- 609 00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:48,663 Why didn't you shout a warning? 610 00:35:48,767 --> 00:35:55,187 ♪♪ 611 00:35:55,291 --> 00:35:56,947 Um... 612 00:35:57,051 --> 00:36:04,507 ♪♪ 613 00:36:04,610 --> 00:36:12,135 ♪♪ 614 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,862 Scrivener: Mr. Martin is a victim of crime. 615 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:19,936 He knew that an unknown number of people 616 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,836 had broken into his dark, isolated house that night. 617 00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:26,425 [Thunder rumbles] 618 00:36:26,529 --> 00:36:28,945 He did not know if they were armed. 619 00:36:29,048 --> 00:36:34,399 ♪♪ 620 00:36:34,502 --> 00:36:35,917 He was in a situation 621 00:36:36,021 --> 00:36:38,886 where he had to make some desperate decisions. 622 00:36:42,303 --> 00:36:43,925 What would you do? 623 00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,035 The wrong decision on his part 624 00:36:50,138 --> 00:36:54,039 could lead him to suffer serious injury or even death. 625 00:36:54,142 --> 00:37:03,255 ♪♪ 626 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:04,670 [Sighs] 627 00:37:04,774 --> 00:37:11,263 ♪♪ 628 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:16,993 This case is about self-defense, a right all citizens have. 629 00:37:17,096 --> 00:37:21,618 ♪♪ 630 00:37:21,722 --> 00:37:23,206 Ahhh. 631 00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:27,348 ♪♪ 632 00:37:27,452 --> 00:37:30,248 [Recorder emits long beep] 633 00:37:33,734 --> 00:37:35,356 Peters: This interview is being tape-recorded, 634 00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:38,635 and the time is now 1452 hours. 635 00:37:40,603 --> 00:37:42,743 At what stage did you realize 636 00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:46,609 that someone had been hit, someone had been shot? 637 00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:49,957 I never realized anybody had been shot. 638 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:53,754 Newton: But did nobody scream or shout for help? 639 00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:55,894 Nothing, not a thing. 640 00:37:55,997 --> 00:37:57,033 You didn't hear anything at all? 641 00:37:57,136 --> 00:38:00,278 No shouts, no moans, no screams? 642 00:38:00,381 --> 00:38:03,729 The only noise I heard was the blast of a gun. 643 00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:07,077 You heard not even a shout? 644 00:38:07,181 --> 00:38:09,666 Anthony: Nope. 645 00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:12,324 Did you realize you'd hit anybody at all? 646 00:38:12,428 --> 00:38:16,224 I heard no noise at all. 647 00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:21,678 Why didn't you phone the police? 648 00:38:23,956 --> 00:38:26,338 I suppose it's because whatever happened at the time, 649 00:38:26,442 --> 00:38:30,100 I hadn't got a gun license, and I didn't know how I stood. 650 00:38:30,204 --> 00:38:32,240 Newton: Mr. Martin, that's the least of your problems, isn't it? 651 00:38:32,344 --> 00:38:34,346 Whether you've got a gun license or not? 652 00:38:37,142 --> 00:38:38,488 I know I keep going back to this, 653 00:38:38,592 --> 00:38:41,249 and this is my last question on this particular point. 654 00:38:43,804 --> 00:38:49,223 Did you actually give them a chance to surrender? 655 00:38:51,536 --> 00:38:53,123 I stood there. 656 00:38:53,227 --> 00:38:55,816 I assume they saw me, 657 00:38:55,919 --> 00:38:58,405 and I don't know how long this moment was, 658 00:38:58,508 --> 00:39:00,993 and that torch was put on me, 659 00:39:01,097 --> 00:39:03,824 and that seemed like forever. 660 00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:08,311 And nobody said a word. 661 00:39:08,415 --> 00:39:11,383 Nobody moved or did anything. 662 00:39:15,836 --> 00:39:20,012 So they didn't come towards you? 663 00:39:20,116 --> 00:39:21,117 Anthony: I don't know what they did. 664 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:23,809 You said nobody moved. 665 00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:25,535 Well, I said -- 666 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,676 They didn't come towards you, 667 00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:32,231 but you still fired the gun. 668 00:39:32,335 --> 00:39:36,822 I fired the gun after I got to the point... 669 00:39:36,926 --> 00:39:38,445 um... 670 00:39:38,548 --> 00:39:47,419 ♪♪ 671 00:39:47,523 --> 00:39:50,767 I was in a very -- I don't know how to put it -- 672 00:39:50,871 --> 00:39:54,322 in a very regrettable position. 673 00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:56,014 I don't know if that's the right way to put it, 674 00:39:56,117 --> 00:39:58,568 but that was the position. 675 00:40:01,122 --> 00:40:02,848 I don't know what else to say. 676 00:40:02,952 --> 00:40:11,305 ♪♪ 677 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:19,727 ♪♪ 678 00:40:19,831 --> 00:40:28,149 ♪♪ 679 00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:36,606 ♪♪ 680 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:45,028 ♪♪ 681 00:40:45,132 --> 00:40:53,520 ♪♪ 682 00:40:53,623 --> 00:40:57,524 Woman: Anthony Edward Martin, the charge is of murder, 683 00:40:57,627 --> 00:41:01,148 that on the 20th of August, 1999, at Bleak House, 684 00:41:01,251 --> 00:41:05,083 Smeeth Road, Emneth, you murdered Fred Barras. 685 00:41:05,186 --> 00:41:07,223 You do not have to say... 686 00:41:07,326 --> 00:41:09,777 [Indistinct voices overlapping] 687 00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:18,303 ♪♪ 688 00:41:18,406 --> 00:41:20,408 [Men shouting indistinctly] 689 00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:26,691 ♪♪ 690 00:41:26,794 --> 00:41:32,869 ♪♪ 691 00:41:32,973 --> 00:41:34,250 -Guilty! -Murder. 692 00:41:34,353 --> 00:41:37,495 Reporter: Killer. Guilty of murder, yeah? 693 00:41:37,598 --> 00:41:39,117 [Cellphone rings] 694 00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,360 Well, the jury had been deliberating for nine hours. 695 00:41:41,464 --> 00:41:44,260 They came back into court within the past couple of minutes. 696 00:41:44,363 --> 00:41:46,055 On the first charge of murder, 697 00:41:46,158 --> 00:41:48,195 murdering 16-year-old Fred Barras, 698 00:41:48,298 --> 00:41:50,059 the jury foreman stood up and said 699 00:41:50,162 --> 00:41:53,752 that they'd found him guilty on a majority of 10 to 2. 700 00:42:01,864 --> 00:42:03,003 The court was told that 701 00:42:03,106 --> 00:42:04,798 Brendon Fearon had told the police 702 00:42:04,901 --> 00:42:09,181 that as the gunfire began, he heard Fred Barras shout out, 703 00:42:09,285 --> 00:42:11,839 "He's got me. I'm sorry. Please don't," 704 00:42:11,943 --> 00:42:14,152 and then finally, the word, "Mum." 705 00:42:14,255 --> 00:42:15,774 Now, as this was read out to the court, 706 00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:17,258 many of the Barras family, 707 00:42:17,362 --> 00:42:19,364 who were sitting in the public gallery, 708 00:42:19,467 --> 00:42:21,090 broke down in tears. 709 00:42:21,193 --> 00:42:23,402 They heard the court told that Fred Barras died 710 00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:25,439 within two minutes of being shot, 711 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:27,683 and he suffered a gunshot wound to the back. 712 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,731 When the foreman of the jury said one word, "guilty," 713 00:42:41,835 --> 00:42:44,596 Tony Martin looked astonished. 714 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,807 I genuinely don't think it crossed Tony Martin's mind, 715 00:42:48,911 --> 00:42:50,360 quite frankly, 716 00:42:50,464 --> 00:42:53,225 but he may possibly end up in jail for what he did. 717 00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:55,918 [Siren wailing] 718 00:43:00,819 --> 00:43:04,478 Anthony: Oh, Christ. Well, then. 719 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,480 Oh. 720 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,965 [Birds chirping] 721 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,196 [Hollow thud] 722 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,752 I wonder what's in there. 723 00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:40,065 I wonder what's in there. 724 00:43:41,342 --> 00:43:43,931 Man: When's the last time you were in there? 725 00:43:44,035 --> 00:43:46,416 When I left... 726 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,903 on August 20th, 1999. 727 00:43:51,905 --> 00:43:52,975 You've never been in the house since? 728 00:43:53,078 --> 00:43:55,667 No. 729 00:43:55,771 --> 00:43:57,220 No. 730 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:00,430 Your -- your house is boarded up now. 731 00:44:00,534 --> 00:44:03,468 -Yes. -But you can't live here now? 732 00:44:03,571 --> 00:44:05,297 I could do if I wanted to. 733 00:44:05,401 --> 00:44:07,058 Man: Why don't you? 734 00:44:07,161 --> 00:44:08,542 I don't want to get locked up. 735 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,131 What -- what you mean by that? 736 00:44:11,234 --> 00:44:13,133 Well, it's simple. If I'm in the house 737 00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:15,963 and somebody comes in the house, 738 00:44:16,067 --> 00:44:18,586 I'm going to look after myself. 739 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:21,141 If you think I'm gonna stand there and ask them 740 00:44:21,244 --> 00:44:23,419 what they're doing, I'm not that stupid. 741 00:44:23,522 --> 00:44:26,042 Well, given everything that's happened to you. 742 00:44:26,146 --> 00:44:29,943 Yes. When you start to run, you'll be forever running, 743 00:44:30,046 --> 00:44:33,912 so you have to stand your ground. 744 00:44:34,016 --> 00:44:38,606 I'd been very fearful for a long time in that house, 745 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:41,092 and all of a sudden, 746 00:44:41,195 --> 00:44:43,335 the fear went, 747 00:44:43,439 --> 00:44:47,754 and I took my life back for a while, for a few hours. 748 00:44:49,859 --> 00:44:51,896 Man: The fact that this boy died -- 749 00:44:51,999 --> 00:44:53,069 does that weigh heavy? 750 00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:54,692 He wasn't a boy. He was a young man. 751 00:44:54,795 --> 00:44:56,521 -Does it weigh heavy, though? -No. 752 00:44:56,624 --> 00:45:00,352 No, I don't even think about it. Um, I obviously -- 753 00:45:00,456 --> 00:45:03,735 basically, I sympathize for the mother saying, 754 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,358 "Well, I only had one boy, and now he's dead," 755 00:45:06,462 --> 00:45:09,603 but it's no good blaming me. 756 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,812 When I was his age, 757 00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:16,265 I lived at Redmoor with my grandparents. 758 00:45:16,368 --> 00:45:18,060 I didn't go around breaking in bloody houses 759 00:45:18,163 --> 00:45:20,062 60 miles down the road. 760 00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:40,807 With me, it was diminished responsibility, 761 00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:43,568 and there's nothing diminished about me. 762 00:45:43,671 --> 00:45:46,260 And with a burglar, well... 763 00:45:46,364 --> 00:45:49,436 what goes around comes around. 764 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:50,817 I'll tell you what I did have. 765 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,922 It was very interesting once to me. 766 00:45:53,026 --> 00:45:54,510 There was a young chap in prison, 767 00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:55,994 and they're all over 21, 768 00:45:56,098 --> 00:46:00,171 but he seemed more, like, about 18, and I... 769 00:46:00,274 --> 00:46:03,174 You don't ask questions 770 00:46:03,277 --> 00:46:05,521 unless it's the right time, 771 00:46:05,624 --> 00:46:08,938 and I found out he was a burglar 772 00:46:09,042 --> 00:46:12,804 breaking people's houses, and I said to him, 773 00:46:12,908 --> 00:46:17,602 "Why do you break in people's houses?" 774 00:46:17,705 --> 00:46:22,055 He said, "Well," he says, "that's the way things are." 775 00:46:22,158 --> 00:46:24,333 And when he walked away, [chuckles] 776 00:46:24,436 --> 00:46:25,817 I don't know whether it's giving the game away 777 00:46:25,921 --> 00:46:27,577 whether you think I'm mental or not. 778 00:46:27,681 --> 00:46:30,546 When he walked away, I went, "Bang!" like that, 779 00:46:30,649 --> 00:46:33,169 and [laughs] he's walking away now. 780 00:46:33,273 --> 00:46:34,343 No, it's only my fingers. 781 00:46:34,446 --> 00:46:36,448 Just went, "Bang!" like that. 782 00:46:36,552 --> 00:46:37,725 He said, "Well, what's all this?" 783 00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:39,555 I said, "That's how things are, boy." 784 00:46:39,658 --> 00:46:48,012 ♪♪ 785 00:46:48,115 --> 00:46:56,503 ♪♪ 786 00:46:56,606 --> 00:47:05,029 ♪♪ 787 00:47:05,132 --> 00:47:13,520 ♪♪ 53011

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