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[Banging]

[Door creaks]

[Banging continues]

[Gun cocks]

[Gunshot]

[Footsteps pounding]

[Gun cocks]

[Gunshot]

[Footsteps crunching]

[Gun cocks, gunshot]

[Cell doors clanging]

[Men shouting indistinctly]

♪♪

♪♪

[Keys jangling]

[Siren wails]

Man: There is all
the difference in the world

between the career criminal

who sets out deliberately
to burgle a house

and a terrified homeowner

who acts to protect himself
and his home.

[Dog barking]

Reporter: Once at the home of
the farmer Tony Martin

the pair broke into
the property,

and very quickly,
the gunshots began.

Reporter #2: He did shoot
the teenage boy,

but to many people,
he did nothing more

than exercise the right
to protect his property.

Man #2: I reckon they should
just forget the law

and just let people take it
into their own hands nowadays

'cause it's the only way
it's gonna work.

[Camera shutter clicking]

Man #3: The law says,
as in any other case

where you claim self-defense,
you must act reasonably.

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

[Door clanging]

Guard: Mr. Martin.

[Men shouting in background]

[Door slams]

[Shouting continues]

[Banging]

[ Distorted shouting]

Ah.
[Sniffles]

[Clears throat]

[Shouting continues]

Mr. Martin, come in.
Have a seat.

[ Distorted footsteps]

[Recorder emits long beep]

[Door slams]

♪♪

The time is 13:54.

I'm Detective Constable Peters,

and my colleague
interviewing with me is...

Detective Sergeant Newton.

Right. Mr. Martin,
can you introduce yourself

by giving your full name
and date of birth, please?

My name is
Anthony Edward Martin,

and I was born
on the 16th of December, 1944.

At the moment,
you have declined

to have a legal
representative.Yes.

Peters: Is there any reason
why you don't want to have

a solicitor at this time?

I've had
a horrendous experience.

Are you okay now?

[Heavy breathing]

♪♪

Right. Well, I've got to
caution you, Mr. Martin.

The caution is
as follows.

You do not have to
say anything.

But it may harm
your defense

if you do not mention
when questioned

something which you later
rely on in court.

Anything you say
may be given in evidence.

Do you understand the caution?
-Yes.

Can you just
sign this form

to say that you consent
to being interviewed

without the presence
of a solicitor, just here?

Look.

[Sniffles]

Thanks very much,
Mr. Martin.

Now, the offense for which
you've been arrested

is attempted murder.

What, in your words,
happened yesterday?

I really can't tell you.

Are you saying
your memory is gone?

Why is it
you can't tell us?

What do you remember
about the incident?

I really can't tell you.

It's an absolute
nightmare.

It's -- I just --

Is it because you don't want
to tell us, Mr. Martin?

I was asleep,
and I heard a noise.

And I've heard so many noises
over the years

that, really, I just don't want
to ponder on it at the moment.

[Breathes shakily]

It's so horrendous.

You're so vulnerable.

There is nobody to help you.

Whereabouts
were you asleep?

You're on your own.

I was up in the bedroom.

Where did you hear
the noises?

I don't know.

I just live in one room.

I've never been so afraid
in all my life.

I hate to admit it.

I don't know whether
it's a failing to say that,

but I really...

absolutely terrified.

I just don't wish to discuss it
any more today.

Thank you very much.

I just want...

I just want solace.

I wanted it for so long.

I can't get any peace.

Well, can you describe
where you live, please?

I live at a place called
Bleak House.

♪♪

I live down a pea-gravel drive
with lime trees.

♪♪

Okay.
So we've established that

you were upstairs
having a sleep.

I'd gone to bed
for the night.

♪♪

The noise you heard downstairs
inside the house --

what do you do next?

I really don't want to
talk about it.

[ Distorted banging]

Have you got a shotgun?

I don't want to
talk about it anymore.

Well, I mean,
that's not talking about it.

I mean, that --
that's a simple question.

You either have or have not
got a shotgun.

I just -- I just don't want
to talk about it anymore today.

See, we need some answers
to our questions

because from our inquiries
so far,

we believe
you were responsible

for shooting a man
by the name of...

Brendon Fearon.

Well?

Did you shoot anybody
last night?

What if I were to
put it to you

that you said to, uh,
Paul Leet,

"They were in my house.

I don't know who they were,

but they had pulled
a window out"?

Was that right?

Well, I don't really know.

When you say, "they,"
what do you mean?

We've only got
one man injured.

Well, there were
people talking.

How many?

I don't know.
There was more than one.

Inside the house
or outside the house?

Inside the house.

You told Paul Leet

you shot somebody
last night.

You shot at them.

All we want to know is, what
did you use to shoot at them?

Where were them,
and why did you shoot at them?

That's what
we want to know

because you're the person
with a gun pulling the trigger.

We just need to know
your account

of what occurred yesterday
that resulted in a man

staggering to the Leets'
with serious shotgun wounds.

[ Distorted banging]

You also,
I believe, said,

"If the judges
lock them up,

they wouldn't have to lock me up
for what I did."

Well, I don't know
what I did say.

I think you're being slightly
evasive here, Mr. Martin.

I am not being evasive
about anything. I don't --

Well, you're being selective,
aren't you?

Well, no. I don't even know
what you're talking about,

about being selective.

You are, because
you're being selective

about what you care
to remember

and who you care
to remember it to.

You're prepared to talk
to Paul Leet about this matter,

but you are not prepared
to talk to us.

[Sighs]

My life's a nightmare.

I've had a lot of nightmares
in my life.

I've had a lot of things
pull me right down,

but I tell you,
this is something...

[Sighs]

Well, tell us about this.

I just can't handle it.

I'd just rather go back
to my cell and read Churchill.

♪♪

Mr. Martin, would you like
to speak to a solicitor?

I just want some peace.
I'm very tired.

Mr. Martin, you have --

That's the end
of this conversation.

I don't want to relive it.

Well, at some stage, you're
gonna have to relive it.

No, no.
I don't have to do anything.

I told you before,
I was terrified.

Terrified about what?I can't tell you that now

'cause you'll turn it
and twist it.

We won't twist anything.

We're --
we're not here to judge.

We're here to gather evidence
and let somebody else decide.

Take me to Norwich Prison.
Get rid of me, out of the way.

-Mr. Martin!
-I wish I was in China.

They'd put a bullet
in my bloody head,

and I'll be finished,
out the way.

I'm finished.
This conversation is finished.

May I please go back
to the cell?

You will shortly.

[Sighs]

Come on.
You're a man of the world.

You're a man
of principles.

And you've let yourself down,
haven't you?

You've become something
that you despise,

haven't you, really,
Mr. Martin?

♪♪

Hilary:
I have a son, Anthony Martin.

He lives at Bleak House,
Smeeth Road.

He's lived there for about
the last 20 years...

♪♪

...on his own.

The house and contents were left
to him by his aunt on her death.

[ Distorted voices]

Earlier this year, someone stole
items from Anthony's house.

[ Dog barking]

He was very upset.

Since that event,
he has talked more and more

about his worries and fears.

My son has always been
very highly strung

and has a tendency
to worry about things.

♪♪

[Keys jangling]

[Door opens]

♪♪

At 2300 hours on Friday,
the 20th of August,

police were called
to a house in Hungate,

where a man was found suffering
from gunshot wounds.

You, Mr. Martin,
were arrested

on suspicion
of attempted murder.

You were interviewed
by myself

and Detective Sergeant Newton
about that offense.

Now, unbeknown to us,

at the time of
your interview,

the body of a young man
was discovered by the police

in the grounds of
your home --

Fred Barras.

♪♪

[ Distorted high-pitched
ringing]

♪♪

[Door slams]

[ Distorted clanging]

♪♪

[Birds chirping]

Woolf: On the night of
the 20th of August, 1999,

Brendon Fearon and Freddy Barras
were driven by a third man

to the vicinity of Bleak House.

[Engine starts]

Brendon Fearon was 30 and has
a criminal record for burglary,

criminal damage,
assault, and wounding.

Fred Barras was only 16.

He also had a number of
findings of guilt

for dishonesty
and bad or violent behavior.

♪♪

There was evidence that he had
told an acquaintance

that he was planning a burglary
on a remote farm in Norfolk.

[Car door slams]

[Footsteps approaching]

Woolf: Just down to the left
here please, Mr. Martin.

♪♪

[Whispering indistinctly]

♪♪

♪♪

[Recorder emits long beep]

So that everybody in this room
knows what's happened,

you were arrested by me
in your cell

on suspicion
of this man's murder.

[Sniffs]

In order to assist my client
today in recounting the offenses

which he's under arrest for,
he has prepared some notes.

I would be grateful if,
officers,

you could show a degree
of forbearance

when he's going through
those notes,

as you will appreciate it is
a difficult time for him.

I must remind you,
you are still under the caution

I gave you
when we started the tape.

Do you remember?
-Yes.

Will you now give us
an account

of what occurred at your home
on Friday evening?

Well, on this
piece of paper

that I've been writing things on
while asleep last night,

things are clearer.
Um...

Well, ah, nothing is
i-in order

in this statement
that I'm making.

I-I'm just going from notes
from paper, but, um...

Um...

I've had many threats over
the years on my own property,

minding my own business.

I stopped reporting them
to the police

because I felt that
I was not being taken seriously.

Since I've had two previous
break-ins this year in my house,

I don't go out very often,
and, now I say,

all the time over the months
and months and months of this

that it is a fearful place
where I live.

[Sniffles]

I can only do it --
explain this,

the whole history of my life
living at Bleak House.

Nobody
comes into my house.

I'm not strange.

I want you
to understand why.

I've never, ever
discussed this,

not even with my mother,

not until about
four or five years ago.

I do not want this
to go public.

♪♪

We had a small cottage
over at March.

[ Distorted laughter]

There was a man.

He used to stay with us.

As I got older --
I don't know what age,

I can't remember now...

...he used to try
and molest me.

And that's had a great effect
upon my life.

It made me very self-conscious
when I was a youngster,

and I really thought
people thought I was queer.

Now, some people say
that people play on that,

but I've had the experience,
and it doesn't leave you.

It is a scar.

And this is why --
one of the reasons

I live on my own.

Nobody ever comes
into my house.

♪♪

♪♪

What I would ask you now is,

will you give us your account
of what occurred

at your home
on Friday evening?

The gun, I've had
for some time.

I only decided to use it

as I was sure people
were coming up the stairs.

The only protection
I had is

the top of the stairs
is missing,

and the bottom of the stairs
is missing.

I did it like that.I'm a little bit lost.

You're saying that there are
stairs missing at the bottom,

and there are stairs
missing at the top?

Yeah, but you can still
get up the stairs.

I made it so you can still
get up the staircase.

I suppose
I am wrong in law.

Anybody should come
in the house,

he shouldn't be a thief,
and he fell down the stairs,

he'd sue me.

Better than
where I am today.

[Sighs]

There's no lights
in my house.

My bedroom that night was the
only place there was a light.

I was sure people were
coming up the stairs.

In fact, I really thought
somebody was on the landing.

I went back to the bedroom
to try and hide,

and then, there's this
knock, knock, knock.

[ Knocking]

[ Banging and clattering]

So I took the gun out...

[ Gun cocks]

...loaded it, waited,

and it seemed like
forever.

[ Door creaking]

Anthony:
And at that stage --

we're talking in maybe
trillionths of seconds --

I have to make decisions,
and...

and I had no choice.

I walked out of the bedroom
along the landing,

down the stairs --
halfway down the stairs --

and down there,

I see some reflection
of some feet.

Now I see this light shine
in my face, so what do I do?

Who is it?

And all of these things
are all in a flash.

Then I just couldn't
stand it any longer.

And then I...
just let the gun off.

[ Heavy breathing]

[Gunshot]

Peters: Do you know how many
times you fired the gun?

Can't remember.

[Gunshot]

-Until it was empty?
-Until it was empty.

[Gunshot]

I ran up the stairs.
Nobody followed me up.

I went into the bedroom.[ Door creaks]

I came back out,
went down the stairs...

[ Footsteps pounding]

...looked around
in that room.

There's nobody there.

Then I noticed
the cupboard --

an oak cupboard.

There was a drawer open.

Then suddenly at my feet,
I noticed

there was this holdall --
Adidas or something --

and there was some kind
of silver in it.

And then I thought, "Well,
how have they got in the house?"

I noticed on the garden side,
the window is missing.

Then I got in my car,
and I drove.

[ Engine starts]

[ Gun cocks]

Were you aware
that you had

actually shot
some people at this time?

No...

because all I knew was,

there was at least one person
with a torch.

So you're saying
you fired at the torch.

No.
I fired below the torch.

In the direction of the torch
but below that.

Below.

[Sighs]

Did you have
the gun with you

when you went
for your drive around?

[ Engine running]

Sorry?

Did you have
your gun with you

when you went
for your drive around?

[ Gun cocks]

Well, I didn't leave it
in the house.

There might have been somebody
still in the house.

I was looking for where
these people had gone.

Did you find anybody?

No.

I, uh -- I never saw
anybody at all.

I had a root around
the garden.

I mean, you're relatively
safe in a car.

And then I went 'round
Paul Leet's

'cause I knew he'd had at least
one break-in during daylight.

I thought I'd better
go and tell,

so I told him what I thought
might have happened.

Apparently, Mr. Leet tells you
to phone the police.

According to our records,
you didn't do so.

Well, I -- I didn't know
what to do.

What do I do
with this gun?

Went to see my mother.

I'm gonna have
to give myself up,

and I wanted
a little bit of time left

for a little bit of freedom

to get me into a state
of rationality.

Then I hid it
in her toilet.

You hid the gun
in the toilet?

I didn't hideit.

I just put it in there,
and I left.

And then I thought,
"Shall I go home?"

No.

No, I didn't want to
go home.

What was there
to go home to?

You said you had
to give yourself up.

For what?

What did you think
you'd done,

other than discharge
your gun?

Leet: One of my near neighbors
is a man I know as Tony Martin.

[Telephone ringing]

About a week
before the shooting,

we struck up a conversation,

and somehow, the subject
of burglaries came up.

♪♪

I remember Tony saying words
to the effect

that if he caught anyone
trying to burgle him again...

♪♪

[Car doors slam]

...he would shoot them.

Michelle.

I would describe Tony
as an eccentric

whose behavior does not conform
to what I consider normal.

He wasn't a man who showed fear,

and I believe Tony
could lose his temper quickly.

He could be intimidating
to people he didn't like.

[Recorder emits long beep]

[Door opens]

♪♪

[Knock at door]

♪♪

I do not think he himself
could be easily intimidated.

♪♪

Is that the gun
that you used?

It looks like it.
Yes.

That's the gun
that was recovered.

Well, I don't really remember
much about it.

But that is the gun that your
mother handed to us, the police.

Okay, then.

I feel,
reading back earlier,

I haven't made it clear to you
that my horrendous experience --

this break-in with my gun
and on the staircase --

I want to make it clear
that when I fired my gun,

I genuinely thought
my life was in danger.

I don't know whether
I explained it to you

that this moment of seconds
or however long it takes,

the torch pointed at me,

I really didn't know
what was coming behind that.

We haven't asked
any questions yet,

but we intend to.

The first question
I want to ask you...

...where were you
when you first heard

the intruders
in your house?

-I was in your bed.
-You were in your bed.

Yes.

-Were you asleep?
-Yes.

So, obviously,
the noise woke you up.

Yes.
I just sort of turned over.

I mean, I actually sleep
with my working clothes on,

and I've got
my working boots on.

This is one of the oddities
with me.

Ah, it does have advantages

that if something is
to call unexpected,

it's better to be
running around with shoes on

rather than trying
to find and tie up shoes.

Peters: Right. And your first
thoughts were of...surprise?

How would you describe it?

-Alarm.
-Right.

Where was the shotgun?

Under my bed.

♪♪

♪♪

So you lay there...

listening to noises.

You are fully dressed.

Can you describe to me
what you do next?

Well...

my brain had already
told me things weren't right.

Then I heard, like,
a slithering.

Then there was a banging.

Then there was a smashing.

Then there was, uh,
murmurings and...

[ Voice distorts indistinctly]

...bump!

Well...I lay there
with rigor mortis,

and then I had to
get down to reality.

I'd been broken into,
I assumed.

Peters: Did you feel
under the bed for the gun?

No. That was after I went out
to the stairs where I saw

what looked like
car lights or beams

coming up the stairs
really bright.

I went back to the bedroom,
and I had to make a decision,

and, I mean, the noise
and the fear and the nightmare

that was upon me was just like
being in a horror movie.

I couldn't ring anybody.

The phone is downstairs.

And I just frantically went
and got the gun.

Where did you get
the cartridges from?

Out of a bag.

-Where was the bag?
-In the bedroom.

So you loaded the gun where?

-In the bedroom.
-Right.

How did you go down
the stairs?

Well, it is a bit dodgy.

You are talking about
the top of the stairs.

There is a bit missing.

Mm, yeah, it was
very dodgy with a gun.

Did you get to the bottom
of the stairs?

No. You have to come down
the stairs enough

to see into the hallway,

and that's about as far
as I dared go.

So you correct me
if I'm wrong.

You were on the stairway
when you saw the men,

when you were holding
your gun.

-Yes.
-Somewhere, you think,

midway between up and down?

Wherever it was to give me
vision to see.

Into the room, right?

Newton: You're halfway down
the stairs.

You have the gun.
What do you see?

Anthony: Pardon?

If you're halfway down
the stairs,

you have the weapon
in your hand, what do you see?

I see a torch.

One torch
that you're aware of.

As far as I know,
one torch.

Right.
What happened next?

Well, there were mumblings.

You didn't catch the words
that were being said...

-No.
-...at any time?

-No.
-Did anybody ever speak to you?

-No.
-Did you ever speak to the man?

No.

Newton: Did you,
at any time, warn or shout

to anybody
that you were there?

-No. I -- I didn't do anything.
-No.

You didn't think
to do that?

No.

Were all the shots fired
from the same position,

from halfway up
the stairs?

Yes.

You didn't move at all?

No.

N-not that I know of.

What was your
actual intention

when you went down
with the gun?

My intention was,

I was in fear of my life

or of being very badly maimed
or beaten up or anything.

All those things
crossed my mind.

It seemed to me that the gun
was the safest way for me.

And I didn't know why
that torch just kept on

peering at me for so long.

At that stage,

I didn't know
what was going to happen.

Why didn't you fire
a warning shot?

I really...

I just,
as I said before,

I have had some experiences
in my time,

and, you know, people
can pop out from anywhere,

and I -- I didn't even --

Why didn't you shout
a warning?

♪♪

Um...

♪♪

♪♪

Scrivener: Mr. Martin is
a victim of crime.

He knew that an unknown number
of people

had broken into his dark,
isolated house that night.

[Thunder rumbles]

He did not know
if they were armed.

♪♪

He was in a situation

where he had to make
some desperate decisions.

What would you do?

The wrong decision on his part

could lead him to suffer
serious injury or even death.

♪♪

[Sighs]

♪♪

This case is about self-defense,
a right all citizens have.

♪♪

Ahhh.

♪♪

[Recorder emits long beep]

Peters: This interview is
being tape-recorded,

and the time is now
1452 hours.

At what stage
did you realize

that someone had been hit,
someone had been shot?

I never realized
anybody had been shot.

Newton: But did nobody
scream or shout for help?

Nothing, not a thing.

You didn't hear
anything at all?

No shouts, no moans,
no screams?

The only noise I heard
was the blast of a gun.

You heard not even
a shout?

Anthony: Nope.

Did you realize
you'd hit anybody at all?

I heard no noise at all.

Why didn't you phone
the police?

I suppose it's because
whatever happened at the time,

I hadn't got a gun license,
and I didn't know how I stood.

Newton:
Mr. Martin, that's the least
of your problems, isn't it?

Whether you've got
a gun license or not?

I know I keep going
back to this,

and this is my last question
on this particular point.

Did you actually give them
a chance to surrender?

I stood there.

I assume they saw me,

and I don't know
how long this moment was,

and that torch was put on me,

and that seemed like forever.

And nobody said a word.

Nobody moved
or did anything.

So they didn't come
towards you?

Anthony:
I don't know what they did.

You said nobody moved.

Well, I said --

They didn't come
towards you,

but you still fired
the gun.

I fired the gun after
I got to the point...

um...

♪♪

I was in a very --
I don't know how to put it --

in a very
regrettable position.

I don't know if that's
the right way to put it,

but that was the position.

I don't know what else to say.

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

♪♪

Woman: Anthony Edward Martin,
the charge is of murder,

that on the 20th of August,
1999, at Bleak House,

Smeeth Road, Emneth,
you murdered Fred Barras.

You do not have to say...

[Indistinct voices overlapping]

♪♪

[Men shouting indistinctly]

♪♪

♪♪

-Guilty!
-Murder.

Reporter: Killer.
Guilty of murder, yeah?

[Cellphone rings]

Well, the jury had been
deliberating for nine hours.

They came back into court within
the past couple of minutes.

On the first charge of murder,

murdering 16-year-old
Fred Barras,

the jury foreman stood up
and said

that they'd found him guilty
on a majority of 10 to 2.

The court was told that

Brendon Fearon
had told the police

that as the gunfire began,
he heard Fred Barras shout out,

"He's got me. I'm sorry.
Please don't,"

and then finally,
the word, "Mum."

Now, as this was read out
to the court,

many of the Barras family,

who were sitting in
the public gallery,

broke down in tears.

They heard the court told
that Fred Barras died

within two minutes
of being shot,

and he suffered a gunshot wound
to the back.

When the foreman of the jury
said one word, "guilty,"

Tony Martin looked
astonished.

I genuinely don't think
it crossed Tony Martin's mind,

quite frankly,

but he may possibly
end up in jail for what he did.

[Siren wailing]

Anthony: Oh, Christ.
Well, then.

Oh.

[Birds chirping]

[Hollow thud]

I wonder what's in there.

I wonder what's in there.

Man: When's the last time
you were in there?

When I left...

on August 20th, 1999.

You've never been
in the house since?

No.

No.

Your -- your house is
boarded up now.

-Yes.
-But you can't live here now?

I could do if I wanted to.

Man: Why don't you?

I don't want to
get locked up.

What --
what you mean by that?

Well, it's simple.
If I'm in the house

and somebody
comes in the house,

I'm going to
look after myself.

If you think I'm gonna
stand there and ask them

what they're doing,
I'm not that stupid.

Well, given everything
that's happened to you.

Yes. When you start to run,
you'll be forever running,

so you have to
stand your ground.

I'd been very fearful
for a long time in that house,

and all of a sudden,

the fear went,

and I took my life back
for a while, for a few hours.

Man: The fact that
this boy died --

does that weigh heavy?

He wasn't a boy.
He was a young man.

-Does it weigh heavy, though?
-No.

No, I don't even think about it.
Um, I obviously --

basically, I sympathize
for the mother saying,

"Well, I only had one boy,
and now he's dead,"

but it's no good blaming me.

When I was his age,

I lived at Redmoor
with my grandparents.

I didn't go around
breaking in bloody houses

60 miles down the road.

With me, it was
diminished responsibility,

and there's nothing
diminished about me.

And with a burglar, well...

what goes around comes around.

I'll tell you what I did have.

It was very interesting
once to me.

There was a young chap
in prison,

and they're all over 21,

but he seemed more, like,
about 18, and I...

You don't ask questions

unless it's the right time,

and I found out he was a burglar

breaking people's houses,
and I said to him,

"Why do you break in
people's houses?"

He said, "Well," he says,
"that's the way things are."

And when he walked away,
[chuckles]

I don't know whether
it's giving the game away

whether you think
I'm mental or not.

When he walked away,
I went, "Bang!" like that,

and [laughs]
he's walking away now.

No, it's only my fingers.

Just went, "Bang!" like that.

He said,
"Well, what's all this?"

I said,
"That's how things are, boy."

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