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Freeman: Nothingness.
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It is the beginning
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and the end of all creation.
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But what is it?
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Is empty space really empty?
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Or is it filled
with hidden forces...
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...forces that exploded
our Universe into existence...
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...or forces that could
destroy reality as we know it?
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What is nothing?
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Space, time, life itself.
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The secrets of the cosmos
lie through the wormhole.
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♪ Through the Wormhole 03x05 ♪
What is Nothing?
Original Air Date on June 27, 2012
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== sync, corrected by elderman ==
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The void.
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The Bible says it was the place
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from which God brought forth
the heavens and the earth.
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Scientists now have their
own version of that belief.
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They call it the Big Bang.
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But how can something come
from what appears to be nothing?
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Understanding
the true nature of nothingness
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is perhaps the deepest
and most-baffling conundrum
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in modern science.
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It could explain
where the Universe came from
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and whether
everything we know and love
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could turn into nothing
once again.
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"In the beginning,
the earth was without form."
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When you were young,
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did you ever close your eyes
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and try to imagine
floating in total darkness,
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to experience absolute nothing?
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I did.
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And I always failed.
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No matter what,
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I could not rid this void
of the pulse of my heartbeat
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and the thoughts in my head.
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When I imagine,
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I can't help
but imagine something,
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not nothing.
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Slava Turyshev
is a NASA physicist
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who has always dreamed
of nothing
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and what nothing
might be like to visit.
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Turyshev:
The town I was born in
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was just under the trajectory
rockets launched from Baikonur.
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It's a Russian launch site.
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So that actually
made a major impression on me.
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Freeman: Slava spent
his childhood building rockets
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and yearned to one day ride one
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into the emptiness
of outer space.
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But fate had other plans.
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Turyshev: I wanted
to be on a space flight,
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and at one of those times
actually was training
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for the Russian space shuttle
back in late '90s,
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just before
the program was canceled.
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Freeman:
With no Russian shuttle,
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Slava lost his ticket
to outer space,
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but as a physicist,
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he discovered that the same
space that fills the heavens
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also exists everywhere on earth.
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It's just not empty down here.
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And exploring the fundamental
properties of space
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does not require
a billion-dollar rocket.
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In fact, all you need
is a bucket of water.
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This is actually
a very simple experiment.
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What I'll do, I'll put
some water in the bucket,
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and this experiment actually
was thought by Isaac Newton.
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The objective, of course,
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to see what's going on with the
water when we spin the bucket.
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So, let's spin it
very, very nice.
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So, stable.
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You can observe that the water
in the bucket is staying flat.
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And let's see what happens.
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Freeman: Isaac Newton
thought that the water
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ought to spin
in lockstep with the bucket,
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just as we move
with the spinning earth.
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But the water does not move
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with the spinning bucket
at first.
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Eventually, friction from
the inner wall of the bucket
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drags the water upwards.
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Turyshev: So, you can see
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that the water is slowly
going upwards in the bucket.
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Freeman: But in the first moments after
the bucket is set in motion,
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the water stays still.
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Newton realized there must be
something gluing the water
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to the larger world around it.
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He thought that glue
must be space itself,
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which exists all around
and inside the bucket.
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Indeed, we cannot assume
that space is nothing.
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There is something,
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and that something
influences how matter moves.
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Freeman:
Newton could not explain
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how the nothingness of space
was somehow something.
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But in 1915, Albert Einstein's
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revolutionary Theory
of General Relativity
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showed that Newton's idea
was fundamentally right.
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Space or, as he reformulated it,
Space-Time
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is a bendable fabric
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into of which all the matter
in the Universe is woven.
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The space that fills
every corner of our Universe
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plays a constant game of tug of
war with all the things in it,
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be they planets, water in
a bucket, or a stack of papers.
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So if empty space
is not nothing,
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then what is it?
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Frank Close
is a particle physicist.
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He's learned
that the power of empty space
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should never be underestimated.
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Hi, Andrew.
Hi, Frank.
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So, it's a metal drum,
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and you can make it collapse
by doing nothing.
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That's rig.
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We're gonna use
the power of nothing.
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So,
this is pretty dramatic.
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I better
put this on, right?
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Guess we had, yeah.
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Uh-huh.
And what else do I do?
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So, if you just switch
on the pump for me.
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Okay.
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[ Machine whirs ]
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[ Metal bangs ]
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Whew!
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[ Exhales deeply ]
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Wow.
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The power of nothing.
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We took all of the air out
of the inside of this drum.
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The atmosphere
on the outside
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was making a
10-tons-every-square-meter force
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on that drum -- far too strong
for the metal to resist.
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Collapse.
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So, nothing on the inside.
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10 or 20 tons
on the outside.
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Bingo!
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[ Metal bangs ]
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Freeman:
In his quest to understand
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the fundamental
forces of nature,
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Frank has discovered
that empty space can do far more
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than cause solid matter
to implode.
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He thinks it is interfering
with everything matter does.
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Close: In the 19th century,
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they thought
if you take all the air out,
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what you're left with
is a genuinely empty vacuum.
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And that is how
it could have stayed
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except that we then discovered
the idea of Quantum Theory.
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And one of the great mysteries
underlying Quantum Theory
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is that at an instant in time,
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you cannot be absolutely sure
how much energy there is.
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Energy can be borrowed
or exchanged around
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on very short time scales.
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So, in modern Quantum Theory,
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the vacuum
is a very violent place,
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even though you and I,
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day-to-day,
aren't aware of that fact.
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Freeman: Empty space
is a froth of bubbling energy,
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like molten metal.
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And Frank and his fellow
particle physicists
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now have proof that this energy
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shields us
from seeing the true strength
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of the fundamental forces
of the Universe --
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forces like
the electrical repulsion
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between charged particles.
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So, we imagine
an electron sitting here,
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spreading out its electrical
tentacles through space,
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and I got another electron here
that I will use
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and I'll measure
the force between them,
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and the closer it gets,
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the force will rise
more and more.
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But we now know,
because of the Quantum Theory,
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is that that little electron
sitting there
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is actually not isolated.
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It is surrounded
by the quantum vacuum.
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So, it's an electron
in a shroud.
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And that shroud reduces the full
impact of its electrical force.
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The same thing is true
of this other electron.
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Freeman: Frank believes
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that all historical measurements
of the electrical force
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are inaccurate
because of these energy shrouds.
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But now atom smashers,
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like the Large Hadron Collider
in Geneva, Switzerland,
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can tell the full story.
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Here,
subatomic particles collide
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at more than
670 million miles per hour.
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They get so close to one another
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that they finally
pierce the shroud.
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But eventually the clouds
get inside each other,
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and that's when
it gets interesting,
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and the clouds then
are so disbursed around,
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we at last see the bare electron
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acting on
the other bare electron.
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And that's when we discover
that the force
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is much more dramatic
than we'd thought before.
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Freeman:
Just like protective eyewear
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that shields a welder
from dangerously intense light,
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Frank believes
that empty space itself
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is insulating the Universe
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from the true intensity
of the forces of nature.
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If it was possible to turn off
that cloak around the electron,
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you'd have turned off all
of the effects of the vacuum,
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and you would actually,
at the same time,
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have destroyed the Universe.
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Because all structure --
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the existence
of atoms and molecules --
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could not be if it wasn't
for the Quantum Theory.
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Freeman: Without the dampening energy
buzzing around in the vacuum,
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the fundamental forces of nature
would run out of control.
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Our entire Universe
would break apart.
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But that is only
one side of the story.
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Because locked inside
this dampening shroud,
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there should be enough energy
to trigger an explosion
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deadlier than anything
we have ever known.
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Empty space might be
a powder keg waiting to explode.
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It might surprise you to know
that our best theory
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of how the Universe works
down at the microscopic level --
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the Theory
of Quantum Mechanics --
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also predicts
empty space has enough energy
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to boil the Universe
out of existence.
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But it doesn't.
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Something must be keeping
nothing in check.
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Question is...
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what?
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Neal Weiner
is a theoretical physicist
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at New York University.
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He studies the showers
of subatomic particles
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produced by atom smashers
like the LHC in Geneva
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and the Tevatron in Chicago.
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Weiner: So, suppose
that you take these two rocks
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and you think of them
as protons.
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You collide them together
from opposite directions,
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and when you do that,
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you have enough energy
in the collision
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that you can
actually make particles
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that you would never think of
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as being part
of the individual protons.
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My job is to try to make sense
of what they find
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when they've collided
these particles together.
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Freeman:
But to understand the shrapnel
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flying out of
these subatomic explosions,
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Neal must look at the Universe
in a way that seems strange.
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He must see the smallest
building blocks of solid matter
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as not solid at all.
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Weiner: In the Quantum realm,
if you create particles,
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you're creating them in a state
that looks more like a wave
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than it does like a particle.
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Just like we have in a fountain,
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where you have water coming down
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and sourcing waves that then
spread out from a central point,
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in Quantum Mechanics,
when you source a particle,
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you have a wave that spreads out
from a central point,
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rather than
a particular particle
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going in any given direction.
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Freeman: Just like the ripples
on the surface of a pond,
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a particle wave
will spread itself
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over the entire ocean of space,
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and that means that
at every point in the Universe,
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there exists ripples
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from trillions upon trillions
of particle waves.
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There is no such thing
as empty space.
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And the energy contained
in that great rippling ocean
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is causing
the Universe to expand.
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When you look at
the expansion of the Universe,
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you see galaxies, galaxy
clusters, all expanding away --
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everything flying away
from each other.
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And it turns out that the
Universe is not slowing down.
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The Universe is actually
speeding up its expansion.
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The Universe is accelerating.
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So the only way that we know
how to explain this
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is if there's something
like an energy density
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that is pervasive
in Space itself.
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If you have that,
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that's going to cause
the Universe to accelerate.
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Freeman: Physicists call this
"dark energy."
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From the rate of expansion
of the Universe,
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they can measure how much of it
empty space contains.
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But when
they tallied that number
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against how much energy
empty space ought to have
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from all the particle waves
filling the Universe,
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there was a staggering mismatch.
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When you calculate
the amount of energy
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that there should be in empty
space from quantum effects,
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you get a number which is
10 to the 120 times larger
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than the number
that we actually observe
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from the expansion and the
acceleration of the Universe.
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And this is an enormous number.
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Freeman:
According to their calculations,
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there should be enough energy
in space itself
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to boil the Universe away.
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But we are still here.
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Neal and many of his colleagues
think they might know
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why such a big mismatch exists
between theory and observation.
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It could be
that most particle waves
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are canceling each other out.
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Weiner:
The cancelation of waves
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is a pretty easy phenomenon
to understand.
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You just simply imagine
you have one wave,
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which has peaks and troughs,
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and then you have another wave
that has peaks and troughs,
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and when those waves combine,
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if the peaks and troughs
are in the same place --
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if I have two peaks in the same
place -- they add together.
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If I have two troughs
in the same place,
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they add together negatively.
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But if I have
one peak and one trough,
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they cancel out,
and I'm left with nothing.
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And so this interference,
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this phenomenon
of how waves can cancel,
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carries over to particles.
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Freeman: Neal thinks
there is a whole other set
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of as-yet-undetected particles
out in the Universe,
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each creating waves,
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which cancel out the waves
from the particles we know.
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It's an idea
known as supersymmetry --
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every particle
has a mirror-image partner.
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The fact that my Universe
allows electrons
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means that I should have the
possibility of creating selectrons.
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And if I have quarks,
I should have squarks.
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Freeman: And Neal's supersymmetric
partner should be...
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Sneal.
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If you're in New York,
you're either a lawyer,
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you're in finance, or you're
an actor, and I can't act.
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Freeman: But finding Sneal
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or any other supersymmetric
particle wave
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is a frustrating task.
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Weiner:
You can look for them directly.
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You can look for them
indirectly.
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I have all sorts of ways
to look for supersymmetry.
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But up to this point,
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it's done an excellent job
of hiding from us,
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so either we're about to find it
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or I think a lot of us are
gonna say it's just not there.
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Freeman: The LHC has so far seen no sign
of supersymmetric particles.
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If they do not exist,
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scientists will be left
with a baffling predicament --
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explaining why
the energy of empty space
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is not tearing
our Universe to shreds.
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But other scientists believe
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a cataclysmic explosion
of nothing is inevitable.
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And one has worked out
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when it might happen.
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And one has worked out
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Empty space fills our cosmos
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like a great ocean
of nothingness.
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But the still waters
of the Universe
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may not be tranquil for long.
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As one scientist sees it,
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a storm may be brewing.
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Max Tegmark
is a cosmologist at M.I.T.
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Do not let his relaxed charm
fool you.
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He is deeply troubled.
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What is on his mind
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is nothing other than
the future of empty space.
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Space itself seems just
imminently stable and permanent,
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just like these golf balls here.
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Been hitting these around
for quite a while now,
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and they always look the same
afterwards,
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but how can I be really, really
sure that stuff is stable?
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Just like the golf ball changed
its state into a cloud of dust,
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could space itself
somehow change its state
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into something else?
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Freeman: A rapid decay of space
into a different state
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may sound highly unlikely,
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but it is not without precedent.
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13.7 billion years ago,
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the Universe shifted
its fundamental properties
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and its temperature plummeted.
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Physicists call this
the Big Bang.
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And through Max's eyes,
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there was something fishy
about it.
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[ Laughs ]
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I pretend I'm a fish.
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I've spent my whole life
in the ocean,
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and I think of water
as just empty space,
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'cause that's all I know.
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And then one day,
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I realize that this emptiness
is actually a substance.
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And I am an interested
and curious fish,
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so I figure out in addition to
the liquid water, which I'm in,
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there is this solid phase --
ice -- and there's steam.
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And then I would start worrying
about whether one day, you know,
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my water might freeze
and I might die.
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And in exactly the same way
we've looked at our space,
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realized that it, too,
seems to be able to freeze
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and kill us all.
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Freeman:
Max thinks the Big Bang
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was not the last cosmic freeze
our Universe will experience,
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and his proof
lies in the mind-bending science
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of Quantum Mechanics,
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where nothing is fixed
and nothing can last forever.
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Quantum Mechanics
tells you that a particle
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can never be perfectly still
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in a known position.
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And Quantum Mechanics
tells you that
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not just about little things
like atoms,
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but also about big things
that are made of atoms,
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like this golf ball.
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Which means nothing
is completely stable.
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This quantum jiggling of things
will eventually,
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if I were to stand here
long enough,
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cause the golf ball to just
randomly go up a little bit,
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then fall down
into a lower energy state.
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Freeman: Left alone on the tee,
there was a very slight chance
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this golf ball
will tunnel through space
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and materialize
closer to the ground,
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where its energy is lower.
401
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When an object
tunnels through space,
402
00:20:56,397 --> 00:20:58,898
it can end up
practically anywhere,
403
00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:02,234
as long as its energy is lower.
404
00:21:02,236 --> 00:21:04,770
It could even tunnel
into the tin cup --
405
00:21:04,772 --> 00:21:08,574
a perfect hole-in-one
without even swinging.
406
00:21:08,576 --> 00:21:12,144
But this phenomenon could be
bad news for the Universe.
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00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,684
We physicists have found pretty
good evidence that space itself
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can be in several different
energy states --
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lower, medium, higher.
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00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:25,758
And we also have
good reason to believe
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that our space used to be
in a much higher energy state
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in the early Universe,
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in which even the kinds
of particles that could exist
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were different.
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00:21:36,236 --> 00:21:39,805
Now, this early Universe,
which gave us our Big Bang,
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was unstable
and very quickly decayed
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into a lower energy state
that we inhabit today,
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00:21:45,713 --> 00:21:48,981
with this peaceful, very nice,
and inhabitable Space
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which contains our kinds of
particles that we're made of.
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00:21:52,253 --> 00:21:54,753
But we've also measured
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that there must be
an even lower state,
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00:21:57,725 --> 00:22:01,527
because our empty space,
as we call it, isn't empty.
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00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:03,796
It has mass, and as such,
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should be able to decay...
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00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:09,668
into an even lower energy state,
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00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:14,373
where our kinds of particles
aren't allowed to exist.
427
00:22:14,375 --> 00:22:16,775
And since I'm made
out of that kind of particles,
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00:22:16,777 --> 00:22:18,544
that would be a bit of a bummer
for me.
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00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:22,281
Freeman: When this sudden decay in the
energy of empty space happens,
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00:22:22,283 --> 00:22:24,450
a blast
of destructive nothingness
431
00:22:24,452 --> 00:22:28,254
will spread through the Universe
at the speed of light.
432
00:22:28,256 --> 00:22:31,357
We will have
no way to see it coming.
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00:22:34,094 --> 00:22:35,361
It's inevitable.
434
00:22:36,863 --> 00:22:41,900
What's very unclear, though,
is how long it's gonna last.
435
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:44,903
Some things are a lot more
stable than others, you know?
436
00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:49,942
A uranium atom will last for
billions and billions of years,
437
00:22:49,944 --> 00:22:53,412
whereas, say, a Cesium-137 atom
438
00:22:53,414 --> 00:22:56,348
that leaked
out of a nuclear reactor
439
00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:58,984
is gonna fall apart
much quicker,
440
00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:00,953
making it more dangerous.
441
00:23:00,955 --> 00:23:03,689
And then this Universe
we're in --
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00:23:03,691 --> 00:23:06,725
you know, we've been here
for almost 14 billion years,
443
00:23:06,727 --> 00:23:08,994
but that doesn't mean
it's gonna be around forever.
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00:23:11,031 --> 00:23:13,165
Freeman:
On the conservative side,
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00:23:13,167 --> 00:23:17,002
Max thinks we could have
20 billion years left,
446
00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:19,371
but that depends on
supersymmetry particles
447
00:23:19,373 --> 00:23:21,674
actually existing --
448
00:23:21,676 --> 00:23:24,076
the same particles Neal Weiner
is hoping to see
449
00:23:24,078 --> 00:23:29,548
and the LHC
has so far failed to find.
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00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:32,985
Without supersymmetry
to stabilize empty space,
451
00:23:32,987 --> 00:23:36,488
it could all end
in just one billion years --
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00:23:36,490 --> 00:23:38,791
the blink of a cosmic eye.
453
00:23:42,495 --> 00:23:44,430
I'm just laughing because...
454
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,768
...at the end of
"Life of Brian,"
455
00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:53,572
one of my favorite
Monty Python movies, they say,
456
00:23:53,574 --> 00:23:56,909
[British accent] "We come from nothing.
We go back to nothing.
457
00:23:56,911 --> 00:23:59,144
What have we lost?
Nothing!"
458
00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:00,145
[ Laughs ]
459
00:24:02,582 --> 00:24:07,286
Nothing could be the beginning
and the end of the Universe,
460
00:24:07,288 --> 00:24:11,423
but there's another way
of looking at nothing.
461
00:24:11,425 --> 00:24:15,661
The Universe
could be a giant bubble.
462
00:24:15,663 --> 00:24:18,931
Everything that is...something
463
00:24:18,933 --> 00:24:20,833
fits on the surface.
464
00:24:20,835 --> 00:24:25,504
And the inside
is just a waste of space.
465
00:24:28,816 --> 00:24:32,119
When we look at the twinkling
starlight in the night sky,
466
00:24:32,852 --> 00:24:35,786
it's hard to understand
the vast distances
467
00:24:35,788 --> 00:24:38,355
that separate us
from those stars --
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00:24:38,357 --> 00:24:43,260
the trillions upon trillions
of miles of emptiness.
469
00:24:43,262 --> 00:24:46,497
But that's not the way
the ancients saw it.
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To them, the stars
were just points of light
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00:24:50,269 --> 00:24:53,971
on a black shell
that surrounded the Earth.
472
00:24:53,973 --> 00:24:57,241
Outer space did not exist.
473
00:24:57,243 --> 00:24:59,043
Now some bold thinkers
474
00:24:59,045 --> 00:25:02,746
are embracing this period
of this idea again --
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00:25:02,748 --> 00:25:07,151
a thousand years
after the idea was abandoned.
476
00:25:09,587 --> 00:25:13,457
Gerard 't Hooft won the
Nobel Prize in Physics in 1999
477
00:25:13,459 --> 00:25:17,094
for his work in establishing
the standard model --
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00:25:17,096 --> 00:25:22,066
the basic foundation
of particle physics today.
479
00:25:22,068 --> 00:25:26,437
You could call him one
of the kings of modern physics.
480
00:25:26,439 --> 00:25:30,474
But you could also call him
high lord of nothing.
481
00:25:30,476 --> 00:25:34,044
Well, almost nothing.
482
00:25:34,046 --> 00:25:39,083
Because this barren rock
is his own private asteroid
483
00:25:39,085 --> 00:25:42,986
floating 100 million miles
from Earth.
484
00:25:42,988 --> 00:25:44,922
The international
astronomical union
485
00:25:44,924 --> 00:25:49,393
had decided to name the asteroid
"9491 't Hooft."
486
00:25:51,329 --> 00:25:55,165
I was, of course, very flattered
and honored by the event,
487
00:25:55,167 --> 00:25:57,367
but one little thing struck me,
488
00:25:57,369 --> 00:26:01,438
and it was that they changed
the spelling of my last name.
489
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,211
It now became "Thooft,"
with a capital "T"
490
00:26:07,213 --> 00:26:09,713
and then "hooft"
just spelled right after it,
491
00:26:09,715 --> 00:26:11,315
without apostrophe.
492
00:26:13,485 --> 00:26:16,553
Freeman:
Gerard planned revenge --
493
00:26:16,555 --> 00:26:18,555
a poetic revenge.
494
00:26:18,557 --> 00:26:23,794
I decided that the asteroid
would require a constitution,
495
00:26:23,796 --> 00:26:27,998
and one of the first items
in the constitution
496
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,236
is that all future inhabitants
of this asteroid
497
00:26:32,238 --> 00:26:35,906
would have to live
without apostrophes.
498
00:26:35,908 --> 00:26:40,144
Anyone entering the territorial
zone of the asteroid
499
00:26:40,146 --> 00:26:42,212
with a laptop, for instance,
500
00:26:42,214 --> 00:26:45,516
that carries a key
with an apostrophe in it,
501
00:26:45,518 --> 00:26:48,418
that key of the laptop
would have to be removed.
502
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:51,522
Freeman:
As King of his asteroid,
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00:26:51,524 --> 00:26:55,092
Gerard is free
to ban apostrophes.
504
00:26:55,094 --> 00:26:59,696
But as a Nobel laureate,
he knows they still exist.
505
00:26:59,698 --> 00:27:04,201
In fact, Gerard believes
that anything that is something
506
00:27:04,203 --> 00:27:07,971
can never truly
be removed from the Universe.
507
00:27:07,973 --> 00:27:12,943
It's a principle called
the conservation of information.
508
00:27:12,945 --> 00:27:14,144
You might think
509
00:27:14,146 --> 00:27:15,946
that the information
people put in documents
510
00:27:15,948 --> 00:27:18,582
is completely lost
once it's like this,
511
00:27:18,584 --> 00:27:20,617
but actually that's not true.
512
00:27:20,619 --> 00:27:24,588
I could dig it up and I can try
to put all the pieces together.
513
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:26,757
The information is still in it.
514
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:31,829
Freeman: Physicists like Gerard
believe anything in the Universe
515
00:27:31,831 --> 00:27:34,464
can be described
by a series of bits,
516
00:27:34,466 --> 00:27:37,234
or ones and zeros,
517
00:27:37,236 --> 00:27:42,306
whether it is a piece of paper,
a planet, or a star.
518
00:27:42,308 --> 00:27:44,041
But there is one place
in the cosmos
519
00:27:44,043 --> 00:27:46,677
where this theory
seems to fall apart --
520
00:27:46,679 --> 00:27:48,145
black holes --
521
00:27:48,147 --> 00:27:54,318
rapacious voids that pull in
everything that gets too close.
522
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,553
't Hooft:
The black hole is much better
523
00:27:56,555 --> 00:27:58,522
than any of these shredders
here.
524
00:27:58,524 --> 00:28:00,224
In a black hole,
525
00:28:00,226 --> 00:28:03,227
the information
is not only shredded,
526
00:28:03,229 --> 00:28:05,229
it completely disappears.
527
00:28:05,231 --> 00:28:07,731
Freeman: In the 1970s,
528
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,367
legendary cosmologist
Stephen Hawking
529
00:28:10,369 --> 00:28:13,537
argued that black holes
entirely remove objects
530
00:28:13,539 --> 00:28:15,272
from our visible Universe,
531
00:28:15,274 --> 00:28:19,776
and the information they swallow
is gone forever.
532
00:28:19,778 --> 00:28:22,713
It was a notion
that deeply troubled Gerard.
533
00:28:22,715 --> 00:28:24,114
't Hooft: And I said,
534
00:28:24,116 --> 00:28:28,452
"that doesn't fit with the view
we have about physics."
535
00:28:28,454 --> 00:28:31,688
From the point of view
of what we know about the atoms
536
00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:34,958
and what's inside an atom,
information doesn't go away.
537
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,226
It can't.
538
00:28:36,228 --> 00:28:39,196
It would be against the laws
of physics that we know.
539
00:28:39,198 --> 00:28:42,132
Freeman:
Hawking stood his ground,
540
00:28:42,134 --> 00:28:44,534
and the two debated for years,
541
00:28:44,536 --> 00:28:49,072
until a brilliant insight
turned the tide.
542
00:28:49,074 --> 00:28:52,809
Gerard realized
that if 9491 Thooft
543
00:28:52,811 --> 00:28:54,544
ever fell into a black hole,
544
00:28:54,546 --> 00:28:57,881
it would not disappear
without a trace.
545
00:28:57,883 --> 00:29:01,318
It would ever so slightly
change the black hole.
546
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,821
't Hooft: The black hole
would go into a different state,
547
00:29:04,823 --> 00:29:07,925
so the black hole
would not be the same black hole
548
00:29:07,927 --> 00:29:10,294
as it was before
it ate my asteroid.
549
00:29:10,296 --> 00:29:12,696
It would be
a different black hole.
550
00:29:12,698 --> 00:29:18,368
Freeman: When a black hole
feeds on its prey, it grows,
551
00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:22,105
and so its surface area
gets slightly larger.
552
00:29:22,107 --> 00:29:24,808
And when Gerard calculated
exactly how much
553
00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:28,045
extra information could fit
onto this larger surface,
554
00:29:28,047 --> 00:29:30,714
he discovered
it was just enough to fit
555
00:29:30,716 --> 00:29:34,952
all the information contained
in the black hole's dinner.
556
00:29:36,554 --> 00:29:39,656
The amount of information
you could put in a black hole
557
00:29:39,658 --> 00:29:41,525
is very precisely fine
558
00:29:41,527 --> 00:29:44,962
and is proportional
to its surface area.
559
00:29:44,964 --> 00:29:48,265
It's not
what's inside the surface.
560
00:29:48,267 --> 00:29:50,467
It simply doesn't count.
561
00:29:50,469 --> 00:29:54,137
It's the surface area
that counts, not the volume.
562
00:29:54,139 --> 00:29:58,075
Freeman: This means that
the entire information content
563
00:29:58,077 --> 00:30:00,444
of Gerard's doomed asteroid
564
00:30:00,446 --> 00:30:03,313
and everything else
devoured by the black hole
565
00:30:03,315 --> 00:30:06,683
is imprinted
across its surface area.
566
00:30:06,685 --> 00:30:09,886
And Gerard discovered
that this principle
567
00:30:09,888 --> 00:30:12,723
applies to more
than just black holes.
568
00:30:12,725 --> 00:30:15,292
In fact,
the information contained
569
00:30:15,294 --> 00:30:18,495
inside any three-dimensional
volume of space
570
00:30:18,497 --> 00:30:23,433
must fit onto
that volume's surface area.
571
00:30:23,435 --> 00:30:28,005
You see that the box
is covered by a grid,
572
00:30:28,007 --> 00:30:31,208
and the amount of information
no longer can be counted
573
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:33,677
while looking
at the volume of the box,
574
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,213
but by looking
at the surface of the box.
575
00:30:36,215 --> 00:30:41,251
On every side of this grid,
there's one bit of information.
576
00:30:41,253 --> 00:30:46,123
Freeman: Think of a box
the size of the entire Universe.
577
00:30:46,125 --> 00:30:49,026
All of the information
contained inside
578
00:30:49,028 --> 00:30:51,828
fits neatly on a grid
on the surface.
579
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:56,066
The total information content
of everything that ever was
580
00:30:56,068 --> 00:30:57,501
can be counted there.
581
00:30:57,503 --> 00:31:00,804
Compared with
how much space for information
582
00:31:00,806 --> 00:31:03,206
exists inside the box,
583
00:31:03,208 --> 00:31:05,375
it is practically
nothing at all.
584
00:31:08,846 --> 00:31:11,715
In principle, yes, you can --
585
00:31:11,717 --> 00:31:13,917
it should be possible
586
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,520
to describe everything
happening in the Universe
587
00:31:16,522 --> 00:31:21,258
by concentrating
on a surface surrounding it.
588
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:26,930
Freeman: If he is correct -- and most
physicists now think he is --
589
00:31:26,932 --> 00:31:30,967
the Universe
is mostly a waste of space.
590
00:31:30,969 --> 00:31:33,236
Because where there is
no information,
591
00:31:33,238 --> 00:31:35,806
there is really...nothing.
592
00:31:37,141 --> 00:31:39,309
But this woman has taken
the concept of nothing
593
00:31:39,311 --> 00:31:41,311
one step further.
594
00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:46,750
In fact, she may have found
another Universe inside our own,
595
00:31:46,752 --> 00:31:49,753
made of absolutely nothing.
596
00:31:55,373 --> 00:32:00,176
If I close my eyes
and nothing makes a sound,
597
00:32:00,178 --> 00:32:04,080
how can I be sure
the world is really there?
598
00:32:04,082 --> 00:32:10,553
Or...if you can't see
or hear me, how --
599
00:32:10,555 --> 00:32:13,823
how do you know I really exist?
600
00:32:13,825 --> 00:32:17,227
The difference
between something and nothing
601
00:32:17,229 --> 00:32:20,263
could be a matter of perception.
602
00:32:29,874 --> 00:32:32,242
Katie Freese
is an astrophysicist
603
00:32:32,244 --> 00:32:33,710
with a competitive spirit.
604
00:32:35,379 --> 00:32:39,082
I think this stems
from my childhood,
605
00:32:39,084 --> 00:32:43,420
because we lived
on the corner of two blocks,
606
00:32:43,422 --> 00:32:45,989
and all the kids
came over to my house
607
00:32:45,991 --> 00:32:50,126
to play baseball and basketball
or whatever,
608
00:32:50,128 --> 00:32:51,461
except it was all boys,
609
00:32:51,463 --> 00:32:53,663
so I was always
playing with the boys.
610
00:32:53,665 --> 00:32:56,032
And as a physicist,
I'm still doing that.
611
00:32:56,034 --> 00:32:58,401
And [laughs] so I think
that's where I developed
612
00:32:58,403 --> 00:33:02,705
this sense of competition
and thinking that it's fun.
613
00:33:02,707 --> 00:33:05,141
Freeman:
When she's not on the courts,
614
00:33:05,143 --> 00:33:07,477
Katie peers
into the heart of matter
615
00:33:07,479 --> 00:33:11,681
and tries to understand
what makes it solid.
616
00:33:13,751 --> 00:33:17,654
When we look at the world around
us, it seems to be really solid.
617
00:33:17,656 --> 00:33:20,590
It looks solid, it feels solid,
but it's not.
618
00:33:20,592 --> 00:33:24,160
This tennis ball feels solid,
619
00:33:24,162 --> 00:33:26,162
but when I cut it open...
620
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:30,133
...it's empty --
621
00:33:30,135 --> 00:33:32,502
just like most of matter.
622
00:33:35,339 --> 00:33:37,974
So, if we think about
one grain of the sugar
623
00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:39,576
that's on my fingertip,
624
00:33:39,578 --> 00:33:42,512
and if that were equivalent
to the nucleus,
625
00:33:42,514 --> 00:33:45,014
then it would take
this entire big tennis court
626
00:33:45,016 --> 00:33:46,149
to make up the atom,
627
00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:47,851
and in between the sugar,
628
00:33:47,853 --> 00:33:50,620
the single grain
that makes the nucleus
629
00:33:50,622 --> 00:33:52,355
and this entire tennis court,
630
00:33:52,357 --> 00:33:53,990
there's absolutely nothing.
631
00:33:53,992 --> 00:33:56,025
It's empty.
632
00:33:58,062 --> 00:34:01,764
Freeman: The solid world
around us is merely an illusion.
633
00:34:01,766 --> 00:34:03,666
What makes things feel solid
634
00:34:03,668 --> 00:34:06,536
is nothing more
than the repulsion of electrons
635
00:34:06,538 --> 00:34:09,706
that exist
on the outer shells of atoms.
636
00:34:09,708 --> 00:34:13,009
And if you
did not feel this force,
637
00:34:13,011 --> 00:34:17,680
you could pass
right through solid matter.
638
00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,415
In the past two decades,
639
00:34:19,417 --> 00:34:21,885
astronomers
have discovered light
640
00:34:21,887 --> 00:34:24,921
bending around
gargantuan invisible masses
641
00:34:24,923 --> 00:34:27,524
surrounding every galaxy.
642
00:34:27,526 --> 00:34:31,361
They believe these masses
are made of dark matter.
643
00:34:31,363 --> 00:34:32,795
They call it dark
644
00:34:32,797 --> 00:34:36,599
because we cannot see it,
feel it, or touch it.
645
00:34:36,601 --> 00:34:39,202
It passes right through
our solid world
646
00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:42,172
as if it was not there at all.
647
00:34:42,174 --> 00:34:43,740
As far as dark matter goes,
648
00:34:43,742 --> 00:34:46,442
we know that it does not have
electric charge.
649
00:34:46,444 --> 00:34:48,011
We would know.
650
00:34:48,013 --> 00:34:50,547
I mean, these things would be
bombarding you, and you'd know.
651
00:34:50,549 --> 00:34:52,815
There are probably billions
of dark-matter particles
652
00:34:52,817 --> 00:34:54,617
passing through
our bodies every second.
653
00:34:54,619 --> 00:34:57,220
Freeman:
Katie believes that dark matter
654
00:34:57,222 --> 00:35:00,657
is made up of particles
just as heavy as regular matter,
655
00:35:00,659 --> 00:35:02,625
but they are only affected
656
00:35:02,627 --> 00:35:05,828
by what scientists call
the weak force --
657
00:35:05,830 --> 00:35:09,766
a force so puny,
its effect is barely detectable
658
00:35:09,768 --> 00:35:12,936
by our most sophisticated
equipment.
659
00:35:12,938 --> 00:35:15,171
In my right hand,
I have a tennis racket,
660
00:35:15,173 --> 00:35:17,607
and in my left hand,
I have a glass of sugar,
661
00:35:17,609 --> 00:35:19,542
and we're gonna use these
as props
662
00:35:19,544 --> 00:35:22,412
to explain weak interactions.
663
00:35:23,514 --> 00:35:25,582
The strings are representing
regular matter
664
00:35:25,584 --> 00:35:27,383
with a lot of space
in between them,
665
00:35:27,385 --> 00:35:29,485
so when the grains of sugar
go through,
666
00:35:29,487 --> 00:35:31,354
most of them just pass
right on by
667
00:35:31,356 --> 00:35:34,457
without having
any interaction whatsoever.
668
00:35:34,459 --> 00:35:37,560
Freeman:
Katie believes that in one day,
669
00:35:37,562 --> 00:35:39,929
of the few billion particles
of dark matter
670
00:35:39,931 --> 00:35:41,431
that pass through your body,
671
00:35:41,433 --> 00:35:43,032
only two or three of them
672
00:35:43,034 --> 00:35:45,935
will ever interact
with the atoms inside you.
673
00:35:45,937 --> 00:35:48,137
And when they do,
674
00:35:48,139 --> 00:35:51,307
it is only through
the weak force.
675
00:35:51,309 --> 00:35:53,643
Highly sensitive experiments
around the world
676
00:35:53,645 --> 00:35:56,212
have been trying to detect
these rare interactions
677
00:35:56,214 --> 00:35:57,747
for over a decade,
678
00:35:57,749 --> 00:36:01,317
but the experiments
do not agree with one another.
679
00:36:01,319 --> 00:36:05,822
Freese: One of the experiments has been
seeing a signal for 10 years,
680
00:36:05,824 --> 00:36:09,325
and it's a statistically
very significant result.
681
00:36:09,327 --> 00:36:11,828
But the problem is that
some of the other experiments
682
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:14,230
are in disagreement because
they're not seeing anything.
683
00:36:14,232 --> 00:36:16,833
The question is,
what's going on?
684
00:36:16,835 --> 00:36:18,801
Freeman:
As a scientist competing
685
00:36:18,803 --> 00:36:21,638
in one of the biggest
theoretical games in physics,
686
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,908
Katie is beginning to worry
about an emerging possibility.
687
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:30,046
Dark matter may not
even feel the weak force.
688
00:36:30,048 --> 00:36:31,648
Freese:
What a horrible thought.
689
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:34,784
Nobody said the dark matter
had to weakly interact,
690
00:36:34,786 --> 00:36:37,820
so then we really
have a problem.
691
00:36:37,822 --> 00:36:40,356
Then I don't know
how we're ever gonna detect it.
692
00:36:40,358 --> 00:36:43,126
How can we discover it?
693
00:36:43,128 --> 00:36:45,361
That would be
really discouraging.
694
00:36:45,363 --> 00:36:47,430
[ Chuckles ]
So let's hope not.
695
00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:52,001
Freeman:
If this is the case,
696
00:36:52,003 --> 00:36:55,538
our Universe is divided
into two worlds --
697
00:36:55,540 --> 00:36:59,676
one of matter
and one of dark matter.
698
00:37:07,785 --> 00:37:11,454
And they will always
be nothing to each other.
699
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,396
Like a tennis game where
the rackets have no strings.
700
00:37:30,007 --> 00:37:34,043
The most important contribution
to the mass in the Universe
701
00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:37,246
could really
basically be nothingness.
702
00:37:39,049 --> 00:37:41,784
So nothingness would rule.
[ Laughs ]
703
00:37:41,786 --> 00:37:45,054
Freeman:
But is there or was there
704
00:37:45,056 --> 00:37:48,624
ever such a thing
as absolute nothing?
705
00:37:48,626 --> 00:37:52,929
No energy, no matter,
no time or space.
706
00:37:52,931 --> 00:37:54,497
The answer to this question
707
00:37:54,499 --> 00:37:59,402
might reveal the ultimate origin
of our cosmos,
708
00:37:59,404 --> 00:38:03,706
and this scientific pioneer
thinks he has found it.
709
00:38:12,876 --> 00:38:14,977
Only a decade ago,
710
00:38:14,979 --> 00:38:20,449
astronomers confirmed what to
many seemed utterly impossible.
711
00:38:20,451 --> 00:38:23,986
Go back 13.7 billion years,
712
00:38:23,988 --> 00:38:26,822
and there was only darkness.
713
00:38:26,824 --> 00:38:32,961
Then our Universe
exploded into existence.
714
00:38:32,963 --> 00:38:38,200
How could everything
come from nothing?
715
00:38:40,103 --> 00:38:43,705
Gabriele Veneziano
is the father of String Theory,
716
00:38:43,707 --> 00:38:47,009
which has become one of the most
important scientific ideas
717
00:38:47,011 --> 00:38:48,810
in modern physics.
718
00:38:48,812 --> 00:38:53,515
But his latest big idea
challenges the mainstream.
719
00:38:53,517 --> 00:38:55,450
He believes the Big Bang
720
00:38:55,452 --> 00:38:59,288
could not have been
the beginning of everything.
721
00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:01,990
The conclusion
that there was nothing --
722
00:39:01,992 --> 00:39:04,526
I think it was too fast
a conclusion,
723
00:39:04,528 --> 00:39:07,396
so I don't want
to repeat the same mistake.
724
00:39:07,398 --> 00:39:10,866
Freeman: Gabriele believes
that there was something
725
00:39:10,868 --> 00:39:12,868
before the Big Bang.
726
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,570
But, like a city at daybreak,
727
00:39:15,572 --> 00:39:19,308
most of this pre-Universe
was fast asleep.
728
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:23,445
Veneziano: There were things
propagating in space,
729
00:39:23,447 --> 00:39:26,615
like waves, particles,
730
00:39:26,617 --> 00:39:29,484
but the energy was very diluted,
731
00:39:29,486 --> 00:39:30,886
and furthermore,
732
00:39:30,888 --> 00:39:35,090
this wave or this particle
interacted very, very weakly.
733
00:39:36,693 --> 00:39:41,463
That would be like having very
few people walking in the street
734
00:39:41,465 --> 00:39:45,233
and, furthermore,
not interacting with each other.
735
00:39:45,235 --> 00:39:47,536
They may not talk to each other.
736
00:39:47,538 --> 00:39:50,806
They may not feel each other.
737
00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:54,443
Freeman: Gabriele believes
738
00:39:54,445 --> 00:39:58,413
that the same fundamental
forces of nature we know today
739
00:39:58,415 --> 00:40:00,415
existed in the pre-Universe,
740
00:40:00,417 --> 00:40:02,851
but their strengths
were much lower.
741
00:40:02,853 --> 00:40:05,187
Veneziano:
The strength of all these forces
742
00:40:05,189 --> 00:40:10,492
was given in terms
of what we call a dilaton field.
743
00:40:10,494 --> 00:40:14,629
Freeman: This dilaton field
filled the entire pre-Universe
744
00:40:14,631 --> 00:40:18,033
and controlled
the strength of all the forces.
745
00:40:18,035 --> 00:40:20,902
As it gradually
dialed them all up,
746
00:40:20,904 --> 00:40:23,338
things started to happen.
747
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:27,009
As time goes on, the density
of people is increasing.
748
00:40:27,011 --> 00:40:28,310
As a result,
749
00:40:28,312 --> 00:40:32,280
the interactions are getting
stronger and stronger.
750
00:40:32,282 --> 00:40:36,585
So, you see people getting
together, talking together,
751
00:40:36,587 --> 00:40:40,922
making clusters of people
together.
752
00:40:40,924 --> 00:40:44,026
Freeman: The ever-growing
pressure increases
753
00:40:44,028 --> 00:40:48,930
and the interactions
intensify until...
754
00:40:48,932 --> 00:40:50,165
Things blow up.
755
00:40:57,173 --> 00:40:58,607
Freeman: For Gabriele,
756
00:40:58,609 --> 00:41:01,176
the Big Bang
was not a sudden beginning,
757
00:41:01,178 --> 00:41:02,844
but rather a tipping point.
758
00:41:02,846 --> 00:41:04,913
If he is right,
759
00:41:04,915 --> 00:41:08,884
he will have dispensed
its most puzzling paradox --
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00:41:08,886 --> 00:41:12,320
getting something from nothing.
761
00:41:12,322 --> 00:41:15,624
Proving there was never
nothing in the Universe
762
00:41:15,626 --> 00:41:18,360
may not be as difficult
as you think.
763
00:41:18,362 --> 00:41:21,830
Because if space and matter
have always existed,
764
00:41:21,832 --> 00:41:24,866
the Big Bang should have sent
colossal gravitational waves
765
00:41:24,868 --> 00:41:26,768
rippling through them,
766
00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:29,271
and the aftershock
of those waves
767
00:41:29,273 --> 00:41:32,874
may still be detectable today.
768
00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:38,747
If we could see
gravitational waves,
769
00:41:38,749 --> 00:41:42,951
we could go back much,
much earlier,
770
00:41:42,953 --> 00:41:45,954
ideally very, very close
with the Big Bang.
771
00:41:45,956 --> 00:41:49,157
Or if there was something
before the Big Bang,
772
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,194
we can even go back
to looking at the Universe
773
00:41:52,196 --> 00:41:53,795
before the Big Bang.
774
00:41:53,797 --> 00:41:58,567
Freeman: If gravitational waves left over
from the pre-Universe exist,
775
00:41:58,569 --> 00:42:00,469
they should be ever so slightly
776
00:42:00,471 --> 00:42:04,306
stretching and squashing
the spaces around us.
777
00:42:04,308 --> 00:42:06,074
Engineers from around the world
778
00:42:06,076 --> 00:42:08,877
are submitting designs
for a new spacecraft
779
00:42:08,879 --> 00:42:11,813
sensitive enough
to detect these distortions.
780
00:42:11,815 --> 00:42:16,551
Veneziano: The important thing is that
there are experimental ways
781
00:42:16,553 --> 00:42:18,920
to talk about these things.
782
00:42:18,922 --> 00:42:22,023
I mean, they're not
just pure science fiction.
783
00:42:22,025 --> 00:42:24,893
I mean, you can put this model
to a test.
784
00:42:24,895 --> 00:42:27,195
Freeman:
Gabriele's mission
785
00:42:27,197 --> 00:42:31,500
to prove that nothing
does not exist and never did
786
00:42:31,502 --> 00:42:34,302
may be on the verge of success.
787
00:42:35,905 --> 00:42:38,073
The ancient Greeks
thought of nothing
788
00:42:38,075 --> 00:42:41,476
as a logical impossibility.
789
00:42:41,478 --> 00:42:45,947
The moment you think about
nothing, it becomes something.
790
00:42:45,949 --> 00:42:48,750
Modern scientists
have spent centuries
791
00:42:48,752 --> 00:42:51,186
thinking about nothing,
792
00:42:51,188 --> 00:42:55,390
and what they've learned
proved the greeks were right.
793
00:42:55,392 --> 00:42:56,858
There may be enough energy
794
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:59,995
rippling through nothingness
to destroy us,
795
00:42:59,997 --> 00:43:03,065
entire Universes
may be made of it,
796
00:43:03,067 --> 00:43:08,270
And it is most definitely
not nothing.
797
00:43:08,303 --> 00:43:12,303
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