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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,980 --> 00:00:03,274 (siren) 2 00:00:03,274 --> 00:00:06,361 LUCY CORMACK: We see a kilo of cocaine wholesale 3 00:00:06,361 --> 00:00:09,572 between $180,000 to $300,000. 4 00:00:09,572 --> 00:00:11,824 (ship horn blares) 5 00:00:11,824 --> 00:00:13,284 MARK SCHLIEBS: The same quantity in the US 6 00:00:13,284 --> 00:00:15,370 would go for $25,000. 7 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:21,459 ♪ ♪ 8 00:00:21,459 --> 00:00:23,044 TOMMY CINDRIC: That the issue with Australia, 9 00:00:23,044 --> 00:00:24,754 it's always the issue with Australia. 10 00:00:24,754 --> 00:00:29,968 The price for a kilo of cocaine is astronomical. 11 00:00:29,968 --> 00:00:31,886 CHRIS DAWSON: We command the highest prices in the world, 12 00:00:31,886 --> 00:00:34,847 so therefore, they'll use whatever mode they can 13 00:00:34,847 --> 00:00:37,141 to bring those drugs into Australia. 14 00:00:37,141 --> 00:00:44,023 ♪ ♪ 15 00:00:44,023 --> 00:00:45,984 DAVE CRAFT: He's a puppet master, 16 00:00:45,984 --> 00:00:49,195 someone that thrived on power, on money, on influence. 17 00:00:49,195 --> 00:00:50,822 SCHLIEBS: He was an invisible boss. 18 00:00:50,822 --> 00:00:52,532 He was an email address, he was a pseudonym, 19 00:00:52,532 --> 00:00:54,826 he was a phone number, he was a voice down the end of the phone. 20 00:00:54,826 --> 00:00:58,746 No one knew exactly who he was. 21 00:00:58,746 --> 00:01:02,834 CINDRIC: He epitomizes what everybody has in their mind 22 00:01:02,834 --> 00:01:04,544 of a super villain. 23 00:01:04,544 --> 00:01:06,379 DEREK MALTZ: He was a brilliant mind, 24 00:01:06,379 --> 00:01:10,717 working with the worst of the worst around the world, 25 00:01:10,717 --> 00:01:14,512 and it made me even hungrier to want him off the playing field. 26 00:01:14,512 --> 00:01:21,185 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:21,185 --> 00:01:22,937 ♪ ♪ 28 00:01:22,937 --> 00:01:26,441 ♪ ♪ 29 00:01:26,441 --> 00:01:30,069 The boat is capsized off an island in Tonga. 30 00:01:33,406 --> 00:01:37,368 CRAFT: The vessel, the JeReVe, was well battered, 31 00:01:37,368 --> 00:01:40,121 a male had been located on board who was deceased. 32 00:01:42,290 --> 00:01:45,335 CINDRIC: Tongan Navy along with the AFP 33 00:01:45,335 --> 00:01:48,379 found 204 kilos of cocaine on the boat. 34 00:01:53,134 --> 00:01:55,386 CRAFT: We were provided documentation 35 00:01:55,386 --> 00:01:58,473 which confirmed Ivan Vaclavik was the skipper, 36 00:01:58,473 --> 00:02:02,226 Milan Rindzak, a Slovakian citizen, was also on board. 37 00:02:02,226 --> 00:02:03,936 The clearance paperwork, they declared 38 00:02:03,936 --> 00:02:07,273 their ultimate destination as Sydney, Australia. 39 00:02:07,273 --> 00:02:08,900 MALTZ: There was one body that was decomposed 40 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:10,985 on the boat that we found, 41 00:02:10,985 --> 00:02:12,695 and the other body, I don't know where he went. 42 00:02:12,695 --> 00:02:16,032 There's all types of stories about what happened. 43 00:02:16,032 --> 00:02:20,203 CRAFT: How did they end up in this predicament? 44 00:02:20,203 --> 00:02:24,207 CINDRIC: Whatever happened to Captain Ivan and his first mate? 45 00:02:24,207 --> 00:02:29,671 ♪ ♪ 46 00:02:29,671 --> 00:02:34,926 ♪ ♪ 47 00:02:34,926 --> 00:02:36,636 (ding) 48 00:02:36,636 --> 00:02:39,055 SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was the biggest Australian criminal 49 00:02:39,055 --> 00:02:42,308 that we've never heard of. 50 00:02:42,308 --> 00:02:45,144 MALTZ: Paul Le Roux was incredibly anxious 51 00:02:45,144 --> 00:02:51,025 to have a massive cocaine operation going on in Australia. 52 00:02:51,025 --> 00:02:54,320 He thought he was untouchable! 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,697 INTERVIEWER: Can you spell out for us 54 00:02:55,697 --> 00:02:59,409 why he wanted to take cocaine to Australia? 55 00:02:59,409 --> 00:03:01,285 CINDRIC: Huge profit margin. 56 00:03:04,747 --> 00:03:07,417 DYER: Narcos would perceive the Australian market 57 00:03:07,417 --> 00:03:11,087 as an extremely lucrative place to send their cocaine. 58 00:03:11,087 --> 00:03:12,922 NEIL GAUGHAN: If you're looking at how much it costs in the US, 59 00:03:12,922 --> 00:03:15,758 $87 a gram to buy cocaine 60 00:03:15,758 --> 00:03:18,636 compared to $300 a gram here in Australia, 61 00:03:18,636 --> 00:03:20,513 it does go to show you 62 00:03:20,513 --> 00:03:23,224 that there's a significant profit margin differential. 63 00:03:23,224 --> 00:03:25,017 CORMACK: Because it is so hard to get it in, 64 00:03:25,017 --> 00:03:28,479 and we are so far away, that drives the price up, 65 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:32,442 and the demand is there and people will pay it. 66 00:03:32,442 --> 00:03:37,655 MALTZ: Australia is a gold mine for cocaine traffickers. 67 00:03:37,655 --> 00:03:40,867 DAWSON: Given the dominant prices that we command, 68 00:03:40,867 --> 00:03:44,829 the invisibles behind all this, they'll use any means 69 00:03:44,829 --> 00:03:46,456 if they think they're gonna get it through. 70 00:04:09,061 --> 00:04:10,396 MALTZ: If you're a business guy 71 00:04:10,396 --> 00:04:12,732 and you have a kilogram of cocaine 72 00:04:12,732 --> 00:04:15,318 to sell in America for 25 grand, 73 00:04:15,318 --> 00:04:17,069 or sell in Australia for 300 grand, 74 00:04:17,069 --> 00:04:17,904 what are you going to do? 75 00:04:22,325 --> 00:04:23,993 CRAFT: Le Roux is no doubt thinking 76 00:04:23,993 --> 00:04:27,121 when he looks at Australia that he's gonna make a lot of money. 77 00:04:27,121 --> 00:04:29,040 He's the eternal businessman 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,667 if he can open up that pipeline or that drug stream to Australia 79 00:04:31,667 --> 00:04:33,920 and get that regular flow, 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,840 ultimately he's gonna be the winner. 81 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:43,596 ♪ ♪ 82 00:04:43,596 --> 00:04:47,225 CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux initially was born in Rhodesia, 83 00:04:47,225 --> 00:04:49,977 during the white flight from Rhodesia 84 00:04:49,977 --> 00:04:54,232 he ended up in South Africa during the Mugabe takeover. 85 00:04:54,232 --> 00:04:55,858 SCHLIEBS: By all accounts, he was the kind of kid 86 00:04:55,858 --> 00:04:58,110 that would close his door at the end of the school day 87 00:04:58,110 --> 00:04:59,862 and sit at the computer. 88 00:04:59,862 --> 00:05:02,740 He wasn't out with his friends every afternoon. 89 00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:04,033 MALTZ: Very, very bright. 90 00:05:04,033 --> 00:05:06,244 I believe he was a high school dropout, 91 00:05:06,244 --> 00:05:09,330 but he was fascinated with technology. 92 00:05:09,330 --> 00:05:12,291 SCHLIEBS: He showed a great interest in computer programming 93 00:05:12,291 --> 00:05:15,586 and that more or less dictated the rest of his life. 94 00:05:15,586 --> 00:05:17,588 CINDRIC: He was self‐taught. 95 00:05:17,588 --> 00:05:21,509 That's the uniqueness of Paul and the brilliance of Paul. 96 00:05:21,509 --> 00:05:25,763 He wasn't taught a method, he just did it. 97 00:05:25,763 --> 00:05:32,478 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:32,478 --> 00:05:39,193 ♪ ♪ 99 00:05:39,193 --> 00:05:41,529 SCHLIEBS: He's been waiting much of his teenage life 100 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:45,408 to escape that middle class upbringing in South Africa. 101 00:05:45,408 --> 00:05:47,869 All of a sudden, he's got the opportunity and he takes it, 102 00:05:47,869 --> 00:05:49,287 he moves to London. 103 00:05:49,287 --> 00:05:50,872 He's talented with computers 104 00:05:50,872 --> 00:05:54,500 and he finds work as a software programmer. 105 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:56,878 And he comes across this Australian girl 106 00:05:56,878 --> 00:05:59,213 who's on holidays in London. 107 00:05:59,213 --> 00:06:04,385 They form a connection which turns romantic. 108 00:06:04,385 --> 00:06:07,096 Eventually, he follows her back to Australia. 109 00:06:07,096 --> 00:06:09,557 ♪ ♪ 110 00:06:09,557 --> 00:06:14,604 ♪ ♪ 111 00:06:14,604 --> 00:06:16,397 He moves to Sydney, 112 00:06:16,397 --> 00:06:19,400 he finds a way to continue his software programming, 113 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,861 and he forms an Australian company. 114 00:06:21,861 --> 00:06:24,864 CINDRIC: And he was married to an Australian woman 115 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:29,660 and gained status in Australia based upon that marriage. 116 00:06:33,289 --> 00:06:35,875 SCHLIEBS: Where they're living, it's not glamorous. 117 00:06:35,875 --> 00:06:38,544 It's a two‐story, yellow brick unit 118 00:06:38,544 --> 00:06:43,382 in Belmore in Sydney's west. 119 00:06:43,382 --> 00:06:49,263 By day, he's working as an on‐contract software programmer. 120 00:06:49,263 --> 00:06:52,183 But at nighttime he's working on a secret project 121 00:06:52,183 --> 00:06:55,436 which is a military‐grade encryption program. 122 00:06:55,436 --> 00:06:58,648 This is software that locks up every file on a computer 123 00:06:58,648 --> 00:07:02,193 and stops any government agency from accessing it. 124 00:07:02,193 --> 00:07:03,944 CINDRIC: They called it Encryption for The Masses 125 00:07:03,944 --> 00:07:06,280 is what it was, E4M. 126 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:11,077 ♪ ♪ 127 00:07:11,077 --> 00:07:17,958 ♪ ♪ 128 00:07:17,958 --> 00:07:19,585 I guess you would call Paul 129 00:07:19,585 --> 00:07:22,046 kind of a privacy anarchist‐type, 130 00:07:22,046 --> 00:07:23,589 he didn't believe the government had the right 131 00:07:23,589 --> 00:07:29,845 to look at people's private emails, et cetera. 132 00:07:29,845 --> 00:07:32,223 Everybody likes to categorize Paul, 133 00:07:32,223 --> 00:07:34,850 they call him the fat geek and all this kind of stuff. 134 00:07:34,850 --> 00:07:38,979 Paul is far from a fat geek. 135 00:07:38,979 --> 00:07:42,191 Paul is a brilliant individual 136 00:07:42,191 --> 00:07:47,697 who has a personality like a Fortune 500 CEO. 137 00:07:51,784 --> 00:07:53,202 SCHLIEBS: But at that point in his life, 138 00:07:53,202 --> 00:07:57,456 Le Roux hates Australia, he hates Australians. 139 00:07:57,456 --> 00:07:59,542 He hates the welfare system, 140 00:07:59,542 --> 00:08:01,502 he hates the attitude of Australians, 141 00:08:01,502 --> 00:08:05,256 he hates the way Australians see themselves in the world. 142 00:08:05,256 --> 00:08:10,511 He criticizes it any chance he gets online. 143 00:08:10,511 --> 00:08:12,179 MAN: Australia could disappear into the Pacific 144 00:08:12,179 --> 00:08:14,140 and the only difference it would make 145 00:08:14,140 --> 00:08:18,769 is the Americans would have one less (bleep) country to protect. 146 00:08:18,769 --> 00:08:20,938 SCHLIEBS: Going on the discussion board forums 147 00:08:20,938 --> 00:08:23,691 enraging every Australian on the forums, 148 00:08:23,691 --> 00:08:27,278 he creates a campaign of hate against him. 149 00:08:29,739 --> 00:08:35,369 CINDRIC: Australia had too much law and structure for Paul. 150 00:08:35,369 --> 00:08:38,497 Paul needed a bit of lawlessness to thrive. 151 00:08:40,916 --> 00:08:43,335 CRAFT: He was scathing of Australia's laws, 152 00:08:43,335 --> 00:08:47,423 and I think that caused him to move offshore. 153 00:08:47,423 --> 00:08:50,426 CINDRIC: He ultimately divorced that woman 154 00:08:50,426 --> 00:08:53,262 and then found his way to the Philippines. 155 00:08:57,641 --> 00:09:01,520 MALTZ: Any successful transnational organized crime boss 156 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,191 has corruption involvement 157 00:09:05,191 --> 00:09:08,486 at the highest levels of the government, period. 158 00:09:08,486 --> 00:09:12,406 So, Paul Le Roux, he knew he can get away with a lot 159 00:09:12,406 --> 00:09:13,824 in the Philippines. 160 00:09:13,824 --> 00:09:20,498 ♪ ♪ 161 00:09:20,498 --> 00:09:27,296 ♪ ♪ 162 00:09:27,296 --> 00:09:29,006 SCHLIEBS: He discovered he was adopted. 163 00:09:29,006 --> 00:09:31,175 For him, that was heartbreaking. 164 00:09:31,175 --> 00:09:35,763 He had absolutely no idea, and he took it really badly. 165 00:09:35,763 --> 00:09:38,682 His view of the world and his life changed. 166 00:09:41,811 --> 00:09:44,396 At that point Le Roux starts talking about a business venture 167 00:09:44,396 --> 00:09:48,275 that he's setting up in the US. 168 00:09:48,275 --> 00:09:50,528 CINDRIC: The US is a pill market, okay, 169 00:09:50,528 --> 00:09:54,365 you can see it today even with the opioid crisis. 170 00:09:54,365 --> 00:09:57,284 US people want, you know, take a pill, make me skinny, 171 00:09:57,284 --> 00:09:58,953 take a pill, get my (bleep) hard, 172 00:09:58,953 --> 00:10:00,538 take a pill, take a pill. 173 00:10:00,538 --> 00:10:02,957 Paul foresaw all that. 174 00:10:02,957 --> 00:10:08,462 He was ahead of his time and he had thought this out very well. 175 00:10:08,462 --> 00:10:10,339 MALTZ: So he was brilliant 176 00:10:10,339 --> 00:10:13,259 in far as how he set up his company called RX Limited. 177 00:10:13,259 --> 00:10:15,803 This illegal pharmaceutical business 178 00:10:15,803 --> 00:10:18,597 to sell pills on the Internet 179 00:10:18,597 --> 00:10:21,350 that were being distributed all over America 180 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:23,811 and making hundreds of millions of dollars. 181 00:10:25,938 --> 00:10:30,776 CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux was trafficking in tramadol, 182 00:10:30,776 --> 00:10:35,948 Viagra, oxycodone, all sorts of pharmaceutical substances 183 00:10:35,948 --> 00:10:38,075 where they had doctors on the payroll, 184 00:10:38,075 --> 00:10:40,161 and the doctors would take incoming calls and go, 185 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:44,540 "Okay, I'll give you 20 pills of Viagra," 186 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:47,251 without ever seeing the individual. 187 00:10:47,251 --> 00:10:50,045 MALTZ: He knew that US law enforcement 188 00:10:50,045 --> 00:10:53,507 would not be that concerned with Schedule 4 drugs 189 00:10:53,507 --> 00:10:55,634 and non‐controlled substances. 190 00:10:55,634 --> 00:10:57,261 Even though people were dying, 191 00:10:57,261 --> 00:10:59,430 and even though people were getting addicted, 192 00:10:59,430 --> 00:11:02,474 he knew it wasn't going to create a lot of attention. 193 00:11:10,566 --> 00:11:13,527 CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux was making approximately $9 million a month 194 00:11:13,527 --> 00:11:16,530 on online pharmacy operations alone. 195 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:21,744 CINDRIC: Profit. 196 00:11:21,744 --> 00:11:25,956 SCHLIEBS: Some estimates put the income of RX Limited 197 00:11:25,956 --> 00:11:28,542 at about $200 million a year, 198 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:30,753 which is phenomenal. 199 00:11:30,753 --> 00:11:33,505 Now he's not keeping that money, he's investing it elsewhere. 200 00:11:33,505 --> 00:11:37,760 He's looking at where he can make a profit. 201 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,971 CINDRIC: He had conquered the RX Limited thing in his mind. 202 00:11:40,971 --> 00:11:42,765 He had conquered pharmaceuticals. 203 00:11:42,765 --> 00:11:44,975 Okay, what's next? 204 00:11:44,975 --> 00:11:48,812 The time now was for Paul to take it to the next level. 205 00:11:48,812 --> 00:11:51,899 Basically he was like a one‐man crime enterprise 206 00:11:51,899 --> 00:11:53,442 in the Philippines, 207 00:11:53,442 --> 00:11:56,570 and he had his tentacles everywhere in the world. 208 00:11:58,697 --> 00:12:00,741 SCHLIEBS: He starts looking at forestry concessions, 209 00:12:00,741 --> 00:12:03,160 at gold mining and diamonds. 210 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,412 He starts looking at a whole range of commodities 211 00:12:05,412 --> 00:12:08,666 where there's very little laws. 212 00:12:08,666 --> 00:12:11,627 CINDRIC: He was involved in getting meth out of North Korea, 213 00:12:11,627 --> 00:12:14,088 in the illegal transport of weapons, 214 00:12:14,088 --> 00:12:16,257 purchasing weapons out of India. 215 00:12:16,257 --> 00:12:18,342 He was in business with Iran 216 00:12:18,342 --> 00:12:20,594 to create a missile guidance system, 217 00:12:20,594 --> 00:12:21,971 but he also was looking to obtain weapons 218 00:12:21,971 --> 00:12:23,847 directly from Iran. 219 00:12:23,847 --> 00:12:28,727 There was really nothing that Paul did not have his hands in. 220 00:12:28,727 --> 00:12:31,021 SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was pretty much one guy sitting in a room 221 00:12:31,021 --> 00:12:34,984 with a laptop controlling hundreds of other people. 222 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:39,154 Few people knew the extent of his criminal empire. 223 00:12:39,154 --> 00:12:42,116 (horns honking) 224 00:12:42,116 --> 00:12:45,828 CINDRIC: He also had a team of US mercenaries 225 00:12:45,828 --> 00:12:47,871 who worked for him committing violence 226 00:12:47,871 --> 00:12:51,834 in order to secure and protect his operations. 227 00:12:51,834 --> 00:12:56,046 The leader of the mercenary team was Joseph "Rambo" Hunter. 228 00:12:56,046 --> 00:13:00,342 Joseph Hunter was a former US military, US army. 229 00:13:00,342 --> 00:13:03,721 MALTZ: Obviously he had years of experience in the military, 230 00:13:03,721 --> 00:13:05,097 and then when he left the military, 231 00:13:05,097 --> 00:13:07,016 wanted to make some big money, 232 00:13:07,016 --> 00:13:09,268 and he chose the mercenary route 233 00:13:09,268 --> 00:13:13,230 to work for this madman Paul Le Roux. 234 00:13:13,230 --> 00:13:14,773 CINDRIC: Joseph Hunter had cultivated 235 00:13:14,773 --> 00:13:18,902 a group of mercenaries to work for him, 236 00:13:18,902 --> 00:13:20,779 Western‐trained soldiers, 237 00:13:20,779 --> 00:13:23,365 which made them all the more dangerous, too, 238 00:13:23,365 --> 00:13:27,786 because it wasn't just some, you know, Filipino street thug, 239 00:13:27,786 --> 00:13:31,415 it wasn't some low‐level guy; 240 00:13:31,415 --> 00:13:35,586 they had military guys planning these operations 241 00:13:35,586 --> 00:13:39,465 to kill and hurt people. 242 00:13:39,465 --> 00:13:42,801 SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was involved in a boatload of guns, 243 00:13:42,801 --> 00:13:44,803 Indonesian‐made assault rifles 244 00:13:44,803 --> 00:13:47,014 that were captured by the Philippines authorities, 245 00:13:47,014 --> 00:13:52,269 and the boat captain who, who sailed that ship turns up dead. 246 00:13:52,269 --> 00:13:55,939 Two other people end up dead. 247 00:13:55,939 --> 00:14:00,986 CINDRIC: Everybody associated with the seizure of those arms 248 00:14:00,986 --> 00:14:04,448 all got killed. 249 00:14:04,448 --> 00:14:05,657 Very cold blooded. 250 00:14:05,657 --> 00:14:07,701 He could kill his best friend tomorrow 251 00:14:07,701 --> 00:14:12,915 if he felt he was cheated and not have any, any real remorse. 252 00:14:12,915 --> 00:14:16,335 That's if Paul Le Roux really ever had a best friend, 253 00:14:16,335 --> 00:14:18,378 'cause I don't believe he did. 254 00:14:18,378 --> 00:14:23,175 ♪ ♪ 255 00:14:23,175 --> 00:14:29,723 ♪ ♪ 256 00:14:29,723 --> 00:14:31,225 MALTZ: He was playing a little bit of a mind game, 257 00:14:31,225 --> 00:14:33,268 you know, he was trying to see how much he can do, 258 00:14:33,268 --> 00:14:35,312 how much he can get away with. 259 00:14:35,312 --> 00:14:37,314 So we wanted to put the best and brightest 260 00:14:37,314 --> 00:14:39,733 that the DEA had to get this guy. 261 00:14:43,779 --> 00:14:45,531 CINDRIC: My name's Tommy Cindric. 262 00:14:45,531 --> 00:14:47,783 When I first got to the Special Operations Division, 263 00:14:47,783 --> 00:14:51,662 I'd came there after being a police officer and DEA agent 264 00:14:51,662 --> 00:14:55,124 domestically for 18, 20 years. 265 00:14:55,124 --> 00:15:01,130 So for me, I was taking a fresh look at everything. 266 00:15:01,130 --> 00:15:03,924 MALTZ: The Special Operations Division's primary focus 267 00:15:03,924 --> 00:15:07,511 is to go after the biggest and baddest threats 268 00:15:07,511 --> 00:15:10,305 that are out there causing havoc and chaos to communities 269 00:15:10,305 --> 00:15:13,058 across the world and put 'em in jail 270 00:15:13,058 --> 00:15:17,771 and have them face the rule of law and justice in America. 271 00:15:17,771 --> 00:15:19,982 CINDRIC: Myself and Eric Stouch worked together as partners, 272 00:15:19,982 --> 00:15:23,443 and we were operating in Africa, 273 00:15:23,443 --> 00:15:26,655 that was kinda of my beat, was Africa. 274 00:15:26,655 --> 00:15:31,535 So, we met with this former military attaché. 275 00:15:31,535 --> 00:15:34,037 He had expertise on things in Somalia, 276 00:15:34,037 --> 00:15:35,664 because he was very much involved 277 00:15:35,664 --> 00:15:38,333 in the whole pirating at the time 278 00:15:38,333 --> 00:15:42,337 that was going on off the coast of East Africa. 279 00:15:42,337 --> 00:15:45,549 He emailed me a UN report 280 00:15:45,549 --> 00:15:47,134 that showed that Paul Le Roux 281 00:15:47,134 --> 00:15:52,264 was running a 220‐man militia in Somalia, 282 00:15:52,264 --> 00:15:57,102 and he shifted to wanting to do coca cultivation, 283 00:15:57,102 --> 00:15:59,271 opium cultivation 284 00:15:59,271 --> 00:16:02,941 and methamphetamine production in Somalia. 285 00:16:02,941 --> 00:16:05,027 He brought in horticulturalists, 286 00:16:05,027 --> 00:16:07,863 and he deemed it was possible to do it, 287 00:16:07,863 --> 00:16:11,450 but he also deemed it wasn't cost effective to do it. 288 00:16:11,450 --> 00:16:14,620 What he then did do, though, is he decided that he wanted 289 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,956 to deal with trying to fight against al‐Shabaab 290 00:16:17,956 --> 00:16:19,666 and take over the weapons trade. 291 00:16:22,878 --> 00:16:27,090 I was like, "Look, if this guy did half of this stuff, 292 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:29,676 we got a real target." 293 00:16:29,676 --> 00:16:32,512 MALTZ: I'm not afraid to say, hey, this was, like, a first. 294 00:16:32,512 --> 00:16:35,224 I never came across the guy that actually had 295 00:16:35,224 --> 00:16:40,854 so much connectivity to bad guys around the world. 296 00:16:40,854 --> 00:16:44,441 CINDRIC: So we spoke to our counterpart in South Africa, 297 00:16:44,441 --> 00:16:46,818 and he had run that, run Le Roux's name 298 00:16:46,818 --> 00:16:51,198 by the intelligence community, and they had provided us a tip. 299 00:16:51,198 --> 00:16:52,616 (phone rings) 300 00:16:52,616 --> 00:16:54,993 A particular individual had provided them 301 00:16:54,993 --> 00:16:59,373 extensive information regarding Paul Le Roux, 302 00:16:59,373 --> 00:17:02,626 and he had left his number and email address. 303 00:17:02,626 --> 00:17:05,087 I was like, "What the (bleep)?" 304 00:17:05,087 --> 00:17:09,007 And I just started dialing the number. 305 00:17:09,007 --> 00:17:10,592 (phone ringing) 306 00:17:10,592 --> 00:17:13,178 This individual picked up the phone, Jack, 307 00:17:13,178 --> 00:17:15,764 I said, "Hi, my name's Tommy Cindric, 308 00:17:15,764 --> 00:17:18,016 I'm from the United States government. 309 00:17:18,016 --> 00:17:20,560 You have provided information regarding Paul Le Roux. 310 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,479 Are you interested in talking to us?" 311 00:17:22,479 --> 00:17:23,981 He says, "Yes." 312 00:17:23,981 --> 00:17:25,315 "Are you willing to meet with us?" 313 00:17:25,315 --> 00:17:27,109 He said, "Yes." 314 00:17:27,109 --> 00:17:29,987 And it ultimately broke open the case. 315 00:17:35,659 --> 00:17:37,202 CINDRIC: Jack was an individual 316 00:17:37,202 --> 00:17:39,580 who had worked in the Le Roux organization. 317 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:44,626 He was intimately involved in certain businesses 318 00:17:44,626 --> 00:17:48,797 on his behalf, legal businesses initially. 319 00:17:48,797 --> 00:17:52,134 And then Jack as he started seeing the legal businesses 320 00:17:52,134 --> 00:17:55,053 go in the illegal direction, 321 00:17:55,053 --> 00:17:57,472 got very nervous and wanted to turn away. 322 00:17:59,641 --> 00:18:02,227 He basically laid out 323 00:18:02,227 --> 00:18:05,856 that Le Roux was a worldwide criminal, 324 00:18:05,856 --> 00:18:07,733 operating at a level 325 00:18:07,733 --> 00:18:13,363 that very few people truly knew or truly understood. 326 00:18:13,363 --> 00:18:18,410 Jack's life was under threat at one time from Paul. 327 00:18:18,410 --> 00:18:22,748 He had maintained this good relationship with Paul, 328 00:18:22,748 --> 00:18:26,752 but he worried that at some time that could change. 329 00:18:26,752 --> 00:18:31,256 So he believed that the only way to protect himself 330 00:18:31,256 --> 00:18:34,551 was to help put Paul Le Roux in jail. 331 00:18:34,551 --> 00:18:37,763 Myself and Eric Stouch became more and more convinced 332 00:18:37,763 --> 00:18:40,265 that Jack was the right person 333 00:18:40,265 --> 00:18:44,353 to infiltrate the Le Roux organization. 334 00:18:44,353 --> 00:18:51,318 ♪ ♪ 335 00:18:51,443 --> 00:18:53,320 SCHLIEBS: The heat's coming on Le Roux in the Philippines. 336 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,864 He's getting reports from people he's corrupted 337 00:18:55,864 --> 00:18:58,992 within the Philippine law enforcement agencies 338 00:18:58,992 --> 00:19:00,661 that the DEA are looking at him, 339 00:19:00,661 --> 00:19:01,870 that the Australian Federal Police 340 00:19:01,870 --> 00:19:03,872 are showing an interest in him. 341 00:19:03,872 --> 00:19:05,749 And Le Roux decides to leave, 342 00:19:05,749 --> 00:19:08,418 and he sets himself up in Brazil. 343 00:19:11,213 --> 00:19:14,383 CINDRIC: Paul established himself in places 344 00:19:14,383 --> 00:19:18,470 that he knew where he would have a strong chance 345 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:20,847 of not being extradited. 346 00:19:20,847 --> 00:19:25,018 And what he did is he actually impregnated a woman in Brazil, 347 00:19:25,018 --> 00:19:30,065 had a child, so that he could not be extradited 348 00:19:30,065 --> 00:19:33,318 should he be arrested by US authorities in Brazil. 349 00:19:33,318 --> 00:19:39,908 ♪ ♪ 350 00:19:39,908 --> 00:19:46,289 ♪ ♪ 351 00:19:46,289 --> 00:19:49,042 SCHLIEBS: Le Roux looks like a super villain. 352 00:19:49,042 --> 00:19:51,002 He's running meth, he's running guns, 353 00:19:51,002 --> 00:19:52,629 he has a private militia, 354 00:19:52,629 --> 00:19:55,173 he has heavily armed and well‐trained 355 00:19:55,173 --> 00:19:59,136 former army commandos at his disposal, 356 00:19:59,136 --> 00:20:01,346 but one of the few illegal activities 357 00:20:01,346 --> 00:20:04,349 that he hasn't yet been involved in is cocaine. 358 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,522 CINDRIC: Paul wanted to get into cocaine 359 00:20:10,522 --> 00:20:15,986 in order to be the narco like Pablo Escobar. 360 00:20:15,986 --> 00:20:18,572 So that is what Paul attempted to do. 361 00:20:22,242 --> 00:20:25,537 What we learned from the wire taps of Paul 362 00:20:25,537 --> 00:20:30,167 was the identification of the boat the MV JeReVe. 363 00:20:30,167 --> 00:20:33,503 These guys would load the cocaine in Peru 364 00:20:33,503 --> 00:20:39,468 and then take this boat all the way across the Pacific. 365 00:20:39,468 --> 00:20:41,887 SCHLIEBS: The DEA, they believe it's heading to Australia, 366 00:20:41,887 --> 00:20:44,514 they tip off Australian law enforcement agencies. 367 00:20:49,603 --> 00:20:51,730 CRAFT: My name's Dave Craft, 368 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:54,858 I'm a federal agent with the Australian Federal Police. 369 00:20:54,858 --> 00:20:58,653 In August 2012, the DEA provided information to the AFP, 370 00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:00,572 that a vessel of interest, the JeReVe, 371 00:21:00,572 --> 00:21:04,576 was intending to make a shipment of cocaine to Australia. 372 00:21:04,576 --> 00:21:07,621 It was part of a wider investigation into Paul Le Roux 373 00:21:07,621 --> 00:21:10,874 and his wider syndicate and activities. 374 00:21:10,874 --> 00:21:14,127 Le Roux was looking to establish a cocaine route 375 00:21:14,127 --> 00:21:16,421 to Australia from Ecuador. 376 00:21:16,421 --> 00:21:18,882 This vessel, the JeReVe, was the first vessel 377 00:21:18,882 --> 00:21:21,968 that was going to be utilized under that syndicate. 378 00:21:21,968 --> 00:21:25,680 He was looking to provide a vessel every six weeks. 379 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,766 Le Roux is a holder of an Australian passport 380 00:21:27,766 --> 00:21:30,977 and lived in Australia for an amount of time in the late '90s. 381 00:21:30,977 --> 00:21:33,230 He knew the mark‐up in price that he could make 382 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:36,650 for getting cocaine to Australia. 383 00:21:36,650 --> 00:21:38,860 Once he came up with an idea or a venture, 384 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:41,071 he would go into it wholeheartedly. 385 00:21:41,071 --> 00:21:43,281 He was someone that wanted things done quickly 386 00:21:43,281 --> 00:21:45,742 and he wanted it done succinctly. 387 00:21:45,742 --> 00:21:51,081 ♪ ♪ 388 00:21:51,081 --> 00:21:54,584 ♪ ♪ 389 00:21:54,584 --> 00:21:58,129 ♪ ♪ 390 00:21:58,129 --> 00:22:02,884 The JeReVe, it was conveyed down to Panama. 391 00:22:02,884 --> 00:22:04,719 The skipper, who was Ivan Vaclavik, 392 00:22:04,719 --> 00:22:06,304 who would be tasked with moving the vessel 393 00:22:06,304 --> 00:22:11,393 through the Panama Canal down to Ecuador. 394 00:22:11,393 --> 00:22:13,854 The Ecuadorian Navy boarded the vessel 395 00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:16,106 and did their compliance work. 396 00:22:16,106 --> 00:22:18,859 We were provided with photos, documentation, 397 00:22:18,859 --> 00:22:20,777 everything from on board the vessel. 398 00:22:20,777 --> 00:22:24,406 Part of that were the passports of the two occupants. 399 00:22:24,406 --> 00:22:27,409 There was a level of confidence by both Vaclavik and Rindzak 400 00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:29,870 before they left the port. 401 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:31,830 They posed with customs agents, 402 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:35,083 they were extremely relaxed in their dealings with them. 403 00:22:35,083 --> 00:22:37,502 That indicated to us that there were no drugs on board 404 00:22:37,502 --> 00:22:41,965 at the time that they left port. 405 00:22:41,965 --> 00:22:45,135 CINDRIC: The Ecuadorian Navy, 406 00:22:45,135 --> 00:22:47,178 they placed a tracker on the boat. 407 00:22:51,725 --> 00:22:54,978 CRAFT: The JeReVe departed Ecuador on the 20th of August. 408 00:22:54,978 --> 00:22:56,605 Through their clearance paperwork, 409 00:22:56,605 --> 00:22:58,732 they declared their ultimate destination 410 00:22:58,732 --> 00:23:02,027 or their final destination, as Sydney, Australia. 411 00:23:02,027 --> 00:23:03,528 They went west for a short period of time 412 00:23:03,528 --> 00:23:05,739 before heading south. 413 00:23:05,739 --> 00:23:08,408 We believe the vessel stopped off the coast of Peru 414 00:23:08,408 --> 00:23:10,035 where it met up with another vessel 415 00:23:10,035 --> 00:23:13,538 where the cocaine was loaded on board. 416 00:23:13,538 --> 00:23:15,165 There was a tracking device on board 417 00:23:15,165 --> 00:23:18,251 and we were getting live locational feeds off that, 418 00:23:18,251 --> 00:23:21,671 off that device on a regular basis. 419 00:23:21,671 --> 00:23:23,798 We just had no Australian‐based intelligence 420 00:23:23,798 --> 00:23:25,634 as to where the drugs were going to go, 421 00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:27,052 so we looked for opportunities 422 00:23:27,052 --> 00:23:29,512 to disrupt this operation offshore. 423 00:23:32,474 --> 00:23:35,268 The best case scenario is that we locate the vessel 424 00:23:35,268 --> 00:23:38,688 at a stop point along the way, interdict the vessel, 425 00:23:38,688 --> 00:23:41,399 arrest those on board and seize the cocaine. 426 00:23:45,862 --> 00:23:49,157 Worst‐case scenario is that we don't locate the vessel, 427 00:23:49,157 --> 00:23:50,992 that we miss the vessel, 428 00:23:50,992 --> 00:23:53,870 that it meets a daughter vessel off the coast of Australia, 429 00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:57,248 exchanges those drugs to another unknown vessel, and we miss it. 430 00:23:59,626 --> 00:24:04,339 ♪ ♪ 431 00:24:04,339 --> 00:24:11,346 ♪ ♪ 432 00:24:11,554 --> 00:24:14,140 SCHLIEBS: In South America he's an outsider, 433 00:24:14,140 --> 00:24:16,643 he's someone who's not a known quantity, 434 00:24:16,643 --> 00:24:19,187 and it's very hard for him to break through 435 00:24:19,187 --> 00:24:23,733 and to get on the inside of the cocaine trade. 436 00:24:23,733 --> 00:24:27,529 CINDRIC: Paul was looking to obtain cocaine, 437 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:30,448 and we came up with the plan to introduce a Colombian 438 00:24:30,448 --> 00:24:33,994 and a cocaine deal. 439 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:37,372 The Colombian boss was a DEA source. 440 00:24:37,372 --> 00:24:42,210 He fit a look that Paul would be intrigued by 441 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,379 of a Colombian boss. 442 00:24:44,379 --> 00:24:47,924 He was a tall, good‐looking, salt and pepper hair, 443 00:24:47,924 --> 00:24:50,343 mid‐40 Colombian. 444 00:24:50,343 --> 00:24:54,639 Paul 100% revered the Colombian drug dealers. 445 00:24:54,639 --> 00:25:00,645 He liked the idea of the top boss, the Pablo Escobar, 446 00:25:00,645 --> 00:25:02,814 the guy sitting on top of the throne, 447 00:25:02,814 --> 00:25:09,821 and so we wanted to give him that guy. 448 00:25:09,821 --> 00:25:13,241 He felt that by having this Colombian connection, 449 00:25:13,241 --> 00:25:15,785 he could obtain cocaine from the Colombians 450 00:25:15,785 --> 00:25:19,622 and in exchange he would provide meth. 451 00:25:19,622 --> 00:25:21,875 What they agreed to was a straight swap: 452 00:25:21,875 --> 00:25:25,295 100 kilos of meth for 100 kilos of cocaine. 453 00:25:25,295 --> 00:25:28,965 ♪ ♪ 454 00:25:28,965 --> 00:25:35,346 ♪ ♪ 455 00:25:35,346 --> 00:25:41,686 Jack explained to Paul that Colombians, 456 00:25:41,686 --> 00:25:44,647 they need a boss‐to‐boss meeting 457 00:25:44,647 --> 00:25:48,526 before business is consummated, okay. 458 00:25:48,526 --> 00:25:52,697 Paul got that, he understood that. 459 00:25:52,697 --> 00:25:54,783 Paul agreed to that meeting. 460 00:25:54,783 --> 00:26:01,498 ♪ ♪ 461 00:26:01,498 --> 00:26:02,791 MALTZ: We picked Liberia 462 00:26:02,791 --> 00:26:04,918 because we had previous successes 463 00:26:04,918 --> 00:26:07,796 working with the Liberian officials. 464 00:26:07,796 --> 00:26:12,383 The president of Liberia was very, very pro‐DEA 465 00:26:12,383 --> 00:26:14,844 and was very interested in working a joint operation 466 00:26:14,844 --> 00:26:16,971 with us on this case. 467 00:26:16,971 --> 00:26:20,308 This one I wanted to go on, I wanted to see firsthand, 468 00:26:20,308 --> 00:26:22,644 you know, what would happen on the ground in Liberia 469 00:26:22,644 --> 00:26:24,646 and how this whole thing played out. 470 00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:31,986 So we planned where we got a chartered flight, 471 00:26:31,986 --> 00:26:36,366 flew down into Liberia, landed late in the night, 472 00:26:36,366 --> 00:26:38,660 and set up the operation once on the ground in Liberia 473 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:40,995 with the other DEA agents. 474 00:26:40,995 --> 00:26:43,665 CINDRIC: So myself and Eric Stouch get on the ground, 475 00:26:43,665 --> 00:26:47,418 we get everything lined up with the Liberians. 476 00:26:47,418 --> 00:26:49,420 You can indict anybody sometimes, right, 477 00:26:49,420 --> 00:26:51,464 but can you grab 'em? 478 00:26:51,464 --> 00:26:56,553 And that's where this kinda ratcheted up the intensity. 479 00:26:56,553 --> 00:26:58,054 This was the coup de grâce for us. 480 00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:10,024 CINDRIC: Paul doesn't show up when he's supposed to. 481 00:27:10,024 --> 00:27:13,027 It was a very tense time. 482 00:27:13,027 --> 00:27:15,697 If he doesn't get on that plane, we have him indicted, 483 00:27:15,697 --> 00:27:18,491 but all that work's for nothing at this point. 484 00:27:18,491 --> 00:27:22,912 So, ultimately, we find out after being on the ground 485 00:27:22,912 --> 00:27:26,875 for about two and a half, three weeks, Paul's coming. 486 00:27:29,752 --> 00:27:32,630 I saw him when he got to the hotel parking lot 487 00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:34,757 and watched him head in. 488 00:27:34,757 --> 00:27:39,262 It was the first time we had laid eyes on him firsthand. 489 00:27:39,262 --> 00:27:42,056 He looked like a big rugby player. 490 00:27:42,056 --> 00:27:48,938 He was definitely a guy who was not impressed by clothes, 491 00:27:48,938 --> 00:27:51,649 impressed by jewelry. 492 00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:56,279 He was in a pair of shorts, polo shirt and a pair of flip‐flops. 493 00:27:59,657 --> 00:28:03,369 Jack takes him in and gets him settled for the evening. 494 00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:05,914 The plan is for the next day, 495 00:28:05,914 --> 00:28:09,792 for Paul to have a meeting with the Colombian boss. 496 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:13,212 When he comes back to the hotel room, our plan is to arrest him. 497 00:28:13,212 --> 00:28:19,719 ♪ ♪ 498 00:28:19,719 --> 00:28:21,262 ♪ ♪ 499 00:30:13,207 --> 00:30:15,710 ♪ ♪ 500 00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:21,049 ♪ ♪ 501 00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:24,177 CINDRIC: During that meeting with the Colombian boss, 502 00:30:24,177 --> 00:30:27,263 Paul basically gave his résumé, 503 00:30:27,263 --> 00:30:29,599 talked about having killed opposition, 504 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:34,645 was very forthright and open about everything. 505 00:30:34,645 --> 00:30:37,356 They conclude the meeting, 506 00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:40,943 Jack takes Paul back to his hotel room, 507 00:30:40,943 --> 00:30:43,571 and then with the Liberians 508 00:30:43,571 --> 00:30:46,407 we decide we're gonna go affect the arrest. 509 00:30:52,538 --> 00:30:54,457 MALTZ: What they did was they knocked on the door 510 00:30:54,457 --> 00:30:56,375 to try to get him to come to the door, 511 00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:59,378 and they had to identify themselves as room service. 512 00:31:05,134 --> 00:31:07,095 PAUL: Hello? 513 00:31:07,095 --> 00:31:11,516 CINDRIC: As we make entry, Paul immediately goes into defensive, 514 00:31:11,516 --> 00:31:13,309 you can tell it completely caught him off guard. 515 00:31:13,309 --> 00:31:14,352 PAUL: No, no, no, no, no, no! 516 00:31:14,352 --> 00:31:16,187 CINDRIC: "No, no, no, no, no, 517 00:31:16,187 --> 00:31:18,147 you're not going to put me under arrest, no, no, no, no, no." 518 00:31:18,147 --> 00:31:19,440 OFFICER: Put your hands behind your back. 519 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,150 PAUL: No. OFFICER: You're under arrest. 520 00:31:21,150 --> 00:31:22,401 PAUL: You're not putting me under arrest. 521 00:31:22,401 --> 00:31:24,320 OFFICER: Stop resisting! (Paul screams) 522 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,781 CINDRIC: I think he's trying to figure out how two dumb cops 523 00:31:26,781 --> 00:31:29,659 actually were able to catch somebody as smart as him. 524 00:31:29,659 --> 00:31:31,285 PAUL: Ahhh! Ahhh! 525 00:31:31,285 --> 00:31:34,205 CINDRIC: Paul's screaming like a madman. 526 00:31:34,205 --> 00:31:36,374 No "(bleep) you's", no "go to hells," 527 00:31:36,374 --> 00:31:38,042 just screaming. 528 00:31:38,042 --> 00:31:40,419 Finally, the Liberian goes, 529 00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:43,589 "Sir, put your hands behind your back, 530 00:31:43,589 --> 00:31:46,843 you are under arrest or I will shoot you." 531 00:31:46,843 --> 00:31:48,219 OFFICER: Or I'll shoot you. 532 00:31:48,219 --> 00:31:49,637 CINDRIC: We're all like, "Oh, no!" 533 00:31:49,637 --> 00:31:53,599 Because in Africa arrests go from zero to 60, 534 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,519 there's no escalation of force in Africa. 535 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,437 PAUL: Okay, okay, okay, okay. 536 00:31:58,437 --> 00:32:00,606 Okay, okay. 537 00:32:00,606 --> 00:32:02,567 CINDRIC: So finally, everything calms down, 538 00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:05,278 we get him handcuffed, we secure the evidence, 539 00:32:05,278 --> 00:32:11,284 he starts immediately trying to bribe the police officers. 540 00:32:11,284 --> 00:32:13,786 He's going, "My African brother, my African brother, 541 00:32:13,786 --> 00:32:15,997 how can we work this out?" 542 00:32:15,997 --> 00:32:18,666 And he wouldn't even look at me. 543 00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:21,127 PAUL: This is a mess, we're like kin. 544 00:32:21,127 --> 00:32:23,254 We're like kin forever. 545 00:32:23,254 --> 00:32:26,340 CINDRIC: He wouldn't look at any of the other DEA agents. 546 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,509 He would only focus on them, 547 00:32:28,509 --> 00:32:31,929 and he was trying to get them to let him go. 548 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,351 MALTZ: Paul Le Roux learned at some point 549 00:32:37,351 --> 00:32:42,523 he was going back to America to face justice. 550 00:32:42,523 --> 00:32:45,067 He wasn't happy about that. 551 00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:50,489 CINDRIC: Paul laughs and says, "I'm gonna apologize in advance, 552 00:32:50,489 --> 00:32:53,159 I'm not getting on that plane." 553 00:32:53,159 --> 00:32:54,744 "What?" 554 00:32:54,744 --> 00:32:58,456 He goes, "I'm not getting on that plane." 555 00:32:58,456 --> 00:33:00,833 MALTZ: I heard him yelling, he didn't want to go back, 556 00:33:00,833 --> 00:33:02,668 he felt like it was a kidnapping. 557 00:33:02,668 --> 00:33:04,503 PAUL: Ah! Ah! 558 00:33:04,503 --> 00:33:07,548 CINDRIC: It takes not only all the agents, 559 00:33:07,548 --> 00:33:09,759 but about six Liberians 560 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:13,888 to carry him down three flights of stairs. 561 00:33:13,888 --> 00:33:15,973 We get him pressed up into the van, 562 00:33:15,973 --> 00:33:18,517 one Liberian goes, "Shut the door! Shut the door!" 563 00:33:18,517 --> 00:33:20,353 And he shoves him in, I'm telling you, 564 00:33:20,353 --> 00:33:22,813 it's like 10 pounds of (bleep) in a five‐pound bag. 565 00:33:25,441 --> 00:33:28,653 Paul is like twisted and turned, 566 00:33:28,653 --> 00:33:31,113 pressed against the door, can't sit down, 567 00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:33,658 and we're just like, "We're going to the airport like this." 568 00:33:33,658 --> 00:33:35,076 PAUL: Ah! Ah! 569 00:33:35,076 --> 00:33:37,912 CINDRIC: Paul breaks into hysterics, 570 00:33:37,912 --> 00:33:41,582 and he goes, "I did apologize in advance, 571 00:33:41,582 --> 00:33:43,876 I told you I wasn't getting on the plane." 572 00:33:47,213 --> 00:33:48,923 MALTZ: As the head of this operation, 573 00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:51,425 I was concerned about one thing only. 574 00:33:51,425 --> 00:33:54,637 We were going back on this jet, and this guy, 300 pounds, 575 00:33:54,637 --> 00:33:57,723 is gonna break bad and charge to the cockpit, 576 00:33:57,723 --> 00:33:59,016 that had no cockpit door. 577 00:33:59,016 --> 00:34:00,601 So I was afraid, like, 578 00:34:00,601 --> 00:34:02,937 this guy's gonna try to take over the plane. 579 00:34:05,273 --> 00:34:10,444 CINDRIC: He was told to behave himself on the plane, 580 00:34:10,444 --> 00:34:13,614 or that he would probably be thrown off the plane, okay, 581 00:34:13,614 --> 00:34:16,075 at 35,000 feet. 582 00:34:16,075 --> 00:34:18,035 I'm being facetious, 583 00:34:18,035 --> 00:34:20,705 but, you know, we were tired of the antics at that point. 584 00:34:20,705 --> 00:34:23,791 Everybody's just happy to get on the plane. 585 00:34:23,791 --> 00:34:26,127 He decides to be agreeable then. 586 00:34:26,127 --> 00:34:28,921 We sit him in a chair on the plane, 587 00:34:28,921 --> 00:34:31,257 and he becomes the chairman of the board. 588 00:34:31,257 --> 00:34:33,926 The time now was for Paul to negotiate 589 00:34:33,926 --> 00:34:36,053 the best deal possible. 590 00:34:36,053 --> 00:34:40,474 ♪ ♪ 591 00:34:40,474 --> 00:34:45,938 ♪ ♪ 592 00:34:45,938 --> 00:34:47,606 CRAFT: Based off the tracking of the vessel, 593 00:34:47,606 --> 00:34:49,650 the path it was taking, the weather conditions, 594 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:51,527 we believed it was going to make a stop 595 00:34:51,527 --> 00:34:54,280 in the northern area of the Cook Islands. 596 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,033 We identified a possible area that we thought it might go, 597 00:34:57,033 --> 00:34:58,492 which was a place called Penrhyn Island, 598 00:34:58,492 --> 00:35:00,745 which was a small atoll. 599 00:35:00,745 --> 00:35:02,622 One of our concerns when we looked at that area 600 00:35:02,622 --> 00:35:06,167 was that it had an airstrip. 601 00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:09,211 You look at the options, is this a case of the vessel 602 00:35:09,211 --> 00:35:12,423 simply arriving at a location unloading to another vessel, 603 00:35:12,423 --> 00:35:15,384 or potentially to an aircraft? 604 00:35:15,384 --> 00:35:17,845 So myself and a member of the Australian Border Force 605 00:35:17,845 --> 00:35:19,013 traveled to the Cook Islands 606 00:35:19,013 --> 00:35:21,098 to coordinate a possible interdiction. 607 00:35:24,393 --> 00:35:27,104 Um, unfortunately the vessel just didn't arrive. 608 00:35:31,776 --> 00:35:34,195 We're no longer getting locational data 609 00:35:34,195 --> 00:35:37,323 as to where the vessel may be. 610 00:35:37,323 --> 00:35:40,034 CINDRIC: Captain Ivan found the tracker, 611 00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:43,996 and he tossed the tracker off the boat. 612 00:35:43,996 --> 00:35:45,748 CRAFT: Did the vessel meet with another vessel 613 00:35:45,748 --> 00:35:47,750 that we weren't aware of? 614 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:50,461 Did it go to another location that we didn't suspect? 615 00:35:50,461 --> 00:35:52,004 There was a multitude of things 616 00:35:52,004 --> 00:35:55,591 running through our minds at that time. 617 00:35:55,591 --> 00:35:58,010 We were baffled as to what had happened. 618 00:35:58,010 --> 00:36:05,017 ♪ ♪ 619 00:36:05,142 --> 00:36:08,187 MALTZ: He decided to come fully aboard, as we call, 620 00:36:08,187 --> 00:36:10,272 joining Team America, right, 621 00:36:10,272 --> 00:36:14,360 and he wanted to cooperate with the government. 622 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,320 So one of the questions on my mind, 623 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,950 "Hey, Paul, what the hell happened with that vessel?" 624 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:23,202 CINDRIC: After the arrest of Paul, 625 00:36:23,202 --> 00:36:27,665 he made a call in an effort to locate where the boat was. 626 00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:29,500 Couldn't get hold of Ivan, 627 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:31,669 couldn't get hold of anybody on the boat. 628 00:36:31,669 --> 00:36:35,548 So he called Ivan's wife. 629 00:36:35,548 --> 00:36:39,260 She said that they were got by the fish men. 630 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:43,139 We were never able to determine who the fish men was. 631 00:36:43,139 --> 00:36:45,182 The working hypothesis on this 632 00:36:45,182 --> 00:36:49,895 is that maybe they got interdicted by pirates. 633 00:36:49,895 --> 00:36:54,275 ♪ ♪ 634 00:36:54,275 --> 00:36:58,821 ♪ ♪ 635 00:37:00,614 --> 00:37:02,908 CRAFT: We got a message that the Tongan Navy 636 00:37:02,908 --> 00:37:07,329 had located the vessel washed ashore at an atoll in Tonga. 637 00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:11,041 The male had been located on board who was deceased. 638 00:37:11,041 --> 00:37:13,794 And that person on board was Milan Rindzak. 639 00:37:16,922 --> 00:37:20,050 A load of 204 kilos of cocaine was located 640 00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:21,761 secreted underneath the bunk 641 00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:25,097 in the forward cabin in a purpose‐built hide. 642 00:37:25,097 --> 00:37:27,558 We were wondering what happened to Vaclavik, 643 00:37:27,558 --> 00:37:31,771 you know, how did they end up in this predicament? 644 00:37:31,771 --> 00:37:33,105 CINDRIC: But the odd thing was, 645 00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:36,108 if they were interdicted by pirates, 646 00:37:36,108 --> 00:37:37,693 they would have searched that boat 647 00:37:37,693 --> 00:37:39,862 and found those kilos and taken 'em. 648 00:37:39,862 --> 00:37:43,407 So we really don't know the mystery behind the MV JeReVe, 649 00:37:43,407 --> 00:37:48,496 and who actually, who the fish men were, 650 00:37:48,496 --> 00:37:50,915 and whatever happened to Captain Ivan 651 00:37:50,915 --> 00:37:53,834 and the, and his first mate. 652 00:37:53,834 --> 00:37:59,423 ♪ ♪ 653 00:37:59,423 --> 00:38:05,471 ♪ ♪ 654 00:38:08,891 --> 00:38:11,185 CINDRIC: Le Roux told myself that he believed 655 00:38:11,185 --> 00:38:13,062 that if anybody was gonna survive 656 00:38:13,062 --> 00:38:16,023 it was gonna be Captain Ivan, that he was a survivor. 657 00:38:16,023 --> 00:38:19,693 And after the seizure of the MV JeReVe, 658 00:38:19,693 --> 00:38:25,366 we saw on TV that some guy showed up 659 00:38:25,366 --> 00:38:28,744 saying that he had been thrown overboard 660 00:38:28,744 --> 00:38:32,206 out in the Pacific and survived. 661 00:38:32,206 --> 00:38:34,333 Eric Stouch and I are at breakfast discussing this, 662 00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:37,962 and we're laughing, but we're like, is this possible? 663 00:38:37,962 --> 00:38:40,381 We pull it up on the Internet and Paul looks at the picture, 664 00:38:40,381 --> 00:38:43,884 and he goes, "Ah, it's not Captain Ivan." 665 00:38:43,884 --> 00:38:46,929 To this day we really don't know what happened. 666 00:38:46,929 --> 00:38:50,349 ♪ ♪ 667 00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:54,854 ♪ ♪ 668 00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:57,731 CRAFT: If you look at some of the images 669 00:38:57,731 --> 00:38:59,108 from when they first left, 670 00:38:59,108 --> 00:39:01,110 they were very buoyant in their photographs. 671 00:39:06,073 --> 00:39:08,033 And then towards the end 672 00:39:08,033 --> 00:39:10,828 they were, you know, almost weather‐beaten and downcast. 673 00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:18,752 We know that a quantity of cocaine was on board the vessel. 674 00:39:18,752 --> 00:39:21,714 I think if you look at a journey of this length, 675 00:39:21,714 --> 00:39:23,132 obviously boredom sets in. 676 00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:30,556 My belief is that simply that they, 677 00:39:30,556 --> 00:39:34,977 they took part in some of the drugs that were on board. 678 00:39:34,977 --> 00:39:36,687 Obviously the effects of cocaine, 679 00:39:36,687 --> 00:39:38,272 especially of high purity, 680 00:39:38,272 --> 00:39:41,859 have the potential to, not only cause cardiac arrest, 681 00:39:41,859 --> 00:39:45,237 but possibly hallucinations. 682 00:39:45,237 --> 00:39:48,741 That may account for some of the disjointed 683 00:39:48,741 --> 00:39:51,118 and bizarre conversations 684 00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:52,953 that Vaclavik may have had with his wife, 685 00:39:52,953 --> 00:39:56,415 that he'd been taken by the fish men. 686 00:39:56,415 --> 00:40:00,544 I believe that they probably partook in some of the cocaine. 687 00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:02,171 As a result they've both died 688 00:40:02,171 --> 00:40:04,506 when the vessel is ultimately come to rest 689 00:40:04,506 --> 00:40:07,176 on the reef and on its side. 690 00:40:07,176 --> 00:40:10,304 Rindzak, that fact that his body was located in the wheel well, 691 00:40:10,304 --> 00:40:12,181 this caused his body to stay on board, 692 00:40:12,181 --> 00:40:16,393 that fact that he was in the steering well of the vessel. 693 00:40:16,393 --> 00:40:19,521 I believe that Vaclavik's body has become dislodged 694 00:40:19,521 --> 00:40:21,065 and been lost at sea. 695 00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:32,326 ♪ ♪ 696 00:40:32,326 --> 00:40:35,162 CINDRIC: As a result of Paul's working 697 00:40:35,162 --> 00:40:36,747 with myself and Eric Stouch, 698 00:40:36,747 --> 00:40:41,210 we created a scenario to arrest Joseph Hunter 699 00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,295 and the mercenary team. 700 00:40:43,295 --> 00:40:46,799 We decided to throw out an opportunity for them 701 00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:52,888 to kill a mythical DEA agent and mythical DEA source. 702 00:40:52,888 --> 00:40:58,352 And we actually used, which is kind of amusing, 703 00:40:58,352 --> 00:41:02,398 the backdrop of the JeReVe 704 00:41:02,398 --> 00:41:07,027 as one of the reasons for them being killed. 705 00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:13,742 Hunter believed that there's no way people died 706 00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:16,078 and just left 204 kilos. 707 00:41:16,078 --> 00:41:18,455 It had to be a law enforcement operation, 708 00:41:18,455 --> 00:41:21,291 so we let them believe that. 709 00:41:21,291 --> 00:41:26,380 So we used that scenario to create these two guys 710 00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:28,132 that needed to be killed 711 00:41:28,132 --> 00:41:30,342 on behalf of the Colombians and Paul. 712 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:36,348 MALTZ: We set up this complex multi‐country operation 713 00:41:36,348 --> 00:41:40,019 in Thailand, Estonia and Liberia. 714 00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:43,230 CINDRIC: So all in all, we had 10 people arrested, 715 00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:45,691 three continents, nine hours. 716 00:41:45,691 --> 00:41:48,902 I still am amazed that we were able 717 00:41:48,902 --> 00:41:51,113 to pull off that coordination. 718 00:41:51,113 --> 00:41:55,034 ♪ ♪ 719 00:41:55,034 --> 00:42:01,999 ♪ ♪ 720 00:42:01,999 --> 00:42:05,210 Paul Le Roux is a Rubik's Cube. 721 00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:08,714 He's complicated, he's multifaceted. 722 00:42:08,714 --> 00:42:13,552 He could be gregarious and affable on one hand, 723 00:42:13,552 --> 00:42:18,015 and then the next day that could be a total spin, 724 00:42:18,015 --> 00:42:20,309 and he could be 725 00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:23,228 the most dangerous man you'd ever meet. 726 00:42:23,228 --> 00:42:28,400 He is the pinnacle of the cases I've done in my career. 727 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,071 I don't think I would ever get the opportunity 728 00:42:32,071 --> 00:42:37,326 to arrest another Paul Le Roux or anybody of his significance. 729 00:42:37,326 --> 00:42:40,454 ♪ ♪ 730 00:42:40,454 --> 00:42:46,835 ♪ ♪ 731 00:42:46,835 --> 00:42:48,962 CRAFT: Paul Le Roux wanted to be one of those drug lords, 732 00:42:48,962 --> 00:42:51,090 he wanted to be one of those kingpins, 733 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,342 wanted to be someone of influence, 734 00:42:53,342 --> 00:42:56,470 whether that be in Africa, or whether that be in Asia, 735 00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:59,515 or whether that be in Australia, 736 00:42:59,515 --> 00:43:01,183 I think it was just an ultimate goal 737 00:43:01,183 --> 00:43:04,603 he wanted to be one of those big players. 738 00:43:04,603 --> 00:43:06,105 MALTZ: Paul Le Roux was like 739 00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:08,524 the typical James Bond villain, right? 740 00:43:08,524 --> 00:43:10,275 Anytime he could beat the government, 741 00:43:10,275 --> 00:43:13,403 anytime he can make more money, it excited him. 742 00:43:13,403 --> 00:43:17,783 The guy was very, you know, global in nature. 743 00:43:17,783 --> 00:43:20,410 But he also sat behind his computer 744 00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:23,288 with a sophisticated technology and did all his business. 745 00:43:23,288 --> 00:43:26,125 Law enforcement must start embracing 746 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,876 the Paul Le Roux types, 747 00:43:27,876 --> 00:43:30,420 because there's more and more of them out there 748 00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:32,214 with the same motives, 749 00:43:32,214 --> 00:43:36,051 the same methods of beating the system. 750 00:43:36,051 --> 00:43:37,636 PAUL: Everything is sweet, everything is sweet. 751 00:43:37,636 --> 00:43:38,595 Captioned by Side Door Media Services 56143

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