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LUCY CORMACK: We see
a kilo of cocaine wholesale
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between $180,000 to $300,000.
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(ship horn blares)
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MARK SCHLIEBS:
The same quantity in the US
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would go for $25,000.
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TOMMY CINDRIC:
That the issue with Australia,
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it's always the issue
with Australia.
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The price for a kilo of cocaine
is astronomical.
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CHRIS DAWSON: We command
the highest prices in the world,
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so therefore, they'll use
whatever mode they can
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to bring those drugs
into Australia.
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DAVE CRAFT:
He's a puppet master,
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someone that thrived on power,
on money, on influence.
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SCHLIEBS: He was
an invisible boss.
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He was an email address,
he was a pseudonym,
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he was a phone number, he was a
voice down the end of the phone.
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No one knew exactly who he was.
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CINDRIC: He epitomizes what
everybody has in their mind
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of a super villain.
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DEREK MALTZ:
He was a brilliant mind,
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working with the worst
of the worst around the world,
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and it made me even hungrier to
want him off the playing field.
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The boat is capsized
off an island in Tonga.
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CRAFT: The vessel, the JeReVe,
was well battered,
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a male had been located on board
who was deceased.
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CINDRIC: Tongan Navy
along with the AFP
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found 204 kilos of cocaine
on the boat.
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CRAFT: We were provided
documentation
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which confirmed
Ivan Vaclavik was the skipper,
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Milan Rindzak, a Slovakian
citizen, was also on board.
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The clearance paperwork,
they declared
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their ultimate destination
as Sydney, Australia.
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MALTZ: There was one body
that was decomposed
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on the boat that we found,
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and the other body,
I don't know where he went.
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There's all types of stories
about what happened.
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CRAFT: How did they end up
in this predicament?
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CINDRIC: Whatever happened to
Captain Ivan and his first mate?
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(ding)
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SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was
the biggest Australian criminal
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that we've never heard of.
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MALTZ: Paul Le Roux was
incredibly anxious
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to have a massive cocaine
operation going on in Australia.
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He thought he was untouchable!
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INTERVIEWER: Can you
spell out for us
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why he wanted to take
cocaine to Australia?
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CINDRIC: Huge profit margin.
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DYER: Narcos would perceive
the Australian market
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as an extremely lucrative place
to send their cocaine.
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NEIL GAUGHAN: If you're looking
at how much it costs in the US,
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$87 a gram to buy cocaine
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compared to $300 a gram
here in Australia,
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it does go to show you
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that there's a significant
profit margin differential.
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CORMACK: Because it is
so hard to get it in,
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and we are so far away,
that drives the price up,
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and the demand is there
and people will pay it.
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MALTZ: Australia is a gold mine
for cocaine traffickers.
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DAWSON: Given the dominant
prices that we command,
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the invisibles behind all this,
they'll use any means
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if they think they're
gonna get it through.
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MALTZ: If you're a business guy
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and you have
a kilogram of cocaine
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to sell in America for 25 grand,
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or sell in Australia
for 300 grand,
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what are you going to do?
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CRAFT: Le Roux is
no doubt thinking
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when he looks at Australia that
he's gonna make a lot of money.
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He's the eternal businessman
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if he can open up that pipeline
or that drug stream to Australia
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and get that regular flow,
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ultimately he's
gonna be the winner.
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CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux initially
was born in Rhodesia,
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during the white flight
from Rhodesia
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he ended up in South Africa
during the Mugabe takeover.
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SCHLIEBS: By all accounts,
he was the kind of kid
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that would close his door
at the end of the school day
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and sit at the computer.
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He wasn't out with his friends
every afternoon.
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MALTZ: Very, very bright.
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I believe he was
a high school dropout,
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but he was fascinated
with technology.
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SCHLIEBS: He showed a great
interest in computer programming
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and that more or less dictated
the rest of his life.
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CINDRIC: He was self‐taught.
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That's the uniqueness of Paul
and the brilliance of Paul.
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He wasn't taught a method,
he just did it.
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SCHLIEBS: He's been waiting
much of his teenage life
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to escape that middle class
upbringing in South Africa.
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All of a sudden, he's got
the opportunity and he takes it,
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he moves to London.
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He's talented with computers
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and he finds work as
a software programmer.
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And he comes across
this Australian girl
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who's on holidays in London.
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They form a connection
which turns romantic.
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Eventually, he follows her
back to Australia.
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He moves to Sydney,
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he finds a way to continue
his software programming,
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and he forms
an Australian company.
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CINDRIC: And he was married
to an Australian woman
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and gained status in Australia
based upon that marriage.
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SCHLIEBS: Where they're living,
it's not glamorous.
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It's a two‐story,
yellow brick unit
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in Belmore in Sydney's west.
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By day, he's working as an
on‐contract software programmer.
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But at nighttime he's
working on a secret project
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which is a military‐grade
encryption program.
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This is software that locks up
every file on a computer
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and stops any government agency
from accessing it.
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CINDRIC: They called it
Encryption for The Masses
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is what it was, E4M.
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I guess you would call Paul
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kind of a privacy
anarchist‐type,
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he didn't believe
the government had the right
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to look at people's
private emails, et cetera.
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Everybody likes
to categorize Paul,
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they call him the fat geek
and all this kind of stuff.
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Paul is far from a fat geek.
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Paul is a brilliant individual
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who has a personality
like a Fortune 500 CEO.
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SCHLIEBS: But at that point
in his life,
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Le Roux hates Australia,
he hates Australians.
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He hates the welfare system,
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he hates the attitude
of Australians,
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he hates the way Australians
see themselves in the world.
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He criticizes it
any chance he gets online.
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MAN: Australia could disappear
into the Pacific
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and the only difference
it would make
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is the Americans would have one
less (bleep) country to protect.
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SCHLIEBS: Going on
the discussion board forums
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enraging every Australian
on the forums,
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he creates a campaign
of hate against him.
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CINDRIC: Australia had too much
law and structure for Paul.
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Paul needed a bit of
lawlessness to thrive.
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CRAFT: He was scathing
of Australia's laws,
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and I think that caused him
to move offshore.
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CINDRIC: He ultimately
divorced that woman
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and then found his way
to the Philippines.
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MALTZ:
Any successful transnational
organized crime boss
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has corruption involvement
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at the highest levels
of the government, period.
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So, Paul Le Roux, he knew
he can get away with a lot
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in the Philippines.
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SCHLIEBS: He discovered
he was adopted.
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For him, that was heartbreaking.
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He had absolutely no idea,
and he took it really badly.
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His view of the world
and his life changed.
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At that point Le Roux starts
talking about a business venture
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that he's setting up in the US.
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CINDRIC: The US is
a pill market, okay,
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you can see it today even
with the opioid crisis.
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US people want, you know,
take a pill, make me skinny,
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take a pill,
get my (bleep) hard,
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take a pill, take a pill.
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Paul foresaw all that.
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He was ahead of his time and he
had thought this out very well.
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MALTZ: So he was brilliant
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in far as how he set up
his company called RX Limited.
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This illegal
pharmaceutical business
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to sell pills on the Internet
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that were being distributed
all over America
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and making hundreds
of millions of dollars.
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CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux was
trafficking in tramadol,
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Viagra, oxycodone, all sorts
of pharmaceutical substances
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where they had doctors
on the payroll,
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and the doctors would take
incoming calls and go,
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"Okay, I'll give you
20 pills of Viagra,"
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without ever seeing
the individual.
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MALTZ: He knew that
US law enforcement
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would not be that concerned
with Schedule 4 drugs
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and non‐controlled substances.
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Even though people were dying,
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and even though people
were getting addicted,
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he knew it wasn't going to
create a lot of attention.
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CINDRIC: Paul Le Roux was making
approximately $9 million a month
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on online pharmacy
operations alone.
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CINDRIC: Profit.
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SCHLIEBS: Some estimates put
the income of RX Limited
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at about $200 million a year,
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which is phenomenal.
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Now he's not keeping that money,
he's investing it elsewhere.
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He's looking at where
he can make a profit.
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CINDRIC: He had conquered the RX
Limited thing in his mind.
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He had conquered
pharmaceuticals.
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Okay, what's next?
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The time now was for Paul
to take it to the next level.
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Basically he was like
a one‐man crime enterprise
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in the Philippines,
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and he had his tentacles
everywhere in the world.
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SCHLIEBS: He starts looking
at forestry concessions,
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at gold mining and diamonds.
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He starts looking at
a whole range of commodities
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where there's very little laws.
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CINDRIC: He was involved in
getting meth out of North Korea,
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in the illegal transport
of weapons,
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purchasing weapons out of India.
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He was in business with Iran
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to create
a missile guidance system,
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but he also was looking
to obtain weapons
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directly from Iran.
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There was really nothing that
Paul did not have his hands in.
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SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was pretty
much one guy sitting in a room
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with a laptop controlling
hundreds of other people.
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Few people knew the extent
of his criminal empire.
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(horns honking)
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CINDRIC: He also had
a team of US mercenaries
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who worked for him
committing violence
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in order to secure and
protect his operations.
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The leader of the mercenary team
was Joseph "Rambo" Hunter.
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Joseph Hunter was a former
US military, US army.
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MALTZ: Obviously he had years
of experience in the military,
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and then when
he left the military,
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wanted to make some big money,
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and he chose the mercenary route
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to work for this madman
Paul Le Roux.
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CINDRIC: Joseph Hunter
had cultivated
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a group of mercenaries
to work for him,
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Western‐trained soldiers,
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which made them all
the more dangerous, too,
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because it wasn't just some,
you know, Filipino street thug,
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it wasn't some low‐level guy;
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they had military guys
planning these operations
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to kill and hurt people.
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SCHLIEBS: Le Roux was involved
in a boatload of guns,
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Indonesian‐made assault rifles
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that were captured by
the Philippines authorities,
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and the boat captain who, who
sailed that ship turns up dead.
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Two other people end up dead.
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CINDRIC: Everybody associated
with the seizure of those arms
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all got killed.
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Very cold blooded.
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He could kill
his best friend tomorrow
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if he felt he was cheated and
not have any, any real remorse.
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That's if Paul Le Roux
really ever had a best friend,
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'cause I don't believe he did.
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MALTZ: He was playing
a little bit of a mind game,
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you know, he was trying to see
how much he can do,
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how much he can get away with.
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So we wanted to put
the best and brightest
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that the DEA had
to get this guy.
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CINDRIC: My name's
Tommy Cindric.
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When I first got to
the Special Operations Division,
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I'd came there after being
a police officer and DEA agent
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domestically for 18, 20 years.
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So for me, I was taking
a fresh look at everything.
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MALTZ: The Special Operations
Division's primary focus
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is to go after the biggest
and baddest threats
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that are out there causing
havoc and chaos to communities
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across the world
and put 'em in jail
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and have them face the rule
of law and justice in America.
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CINDRIC: Myself and Eric Stouch
worked together as partners,
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and we were operating in Africa,
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that was kinda of my beat,
was Africa.
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So, we met with this
former military attaché.
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He had expertise
on things in Somalia,
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because he was
very much involved
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in the whole pirating
at the time
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that was going on off
the coast of East Africa.
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He emailed me a UN report
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that showed that Paul Le Roux
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was running a 220‐man militia
in Somalia,
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and he shifted to wanting
to do coca cultivation,
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opium cultivation
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and methamphetamine production
in Somalia.
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He brought in horticulturalists,
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and he deemed it was
possible to do it,
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but he also deemed it wasn't
cost effective to do it.
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What he then did do, though,
is he decided that he wanted
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to deal with trying to fight
against al‐Shabaab
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and take over the weapons trade.
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I was like, "Look, if this guy
did half of this stuff,
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we got a real target."
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MALTZ: I'm not afraid to say,
hey, this was, like, a first.
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I never came across
the guy that actually had
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so much connectivity to
bad guys around the world.
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CINDRIC: So we spoke to our
counterpart in South Africa,
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and he had run that,
run Le Roux's name
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by the intelligence community,
and they had provided us a tip.
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(phone rings)
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A particular individual
had provided them
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extensive information
regarding Paul Le Roux,
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and he had left his number
and email address.
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I was like,
"What the (bleep)?"
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And I just started
dialing the number.
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(phone ringing)
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This individual picked up
the phone, Jack,
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I said, "Hi, my name's
Tommy Cindric,
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I'm from
the United States government.
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You have provided information
regarding Paul Le Roux.
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Are you interested
in talking to us?"
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He says, "Yes."
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"Are you willing
to meet with us?"
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He said, "Yes."
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And it ultimately
broke open the case.
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CINDRIC: Jack was an individual
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who had worked in
the Le Roux organization.
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He was intimately involved
in certain businesses
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on his behalf,
legal businesses initially.
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And then Jack as he started
seeing the legal businesses
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go in the illegal direction,
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got very nervous and
wanted to turn away.
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He basically laid out
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that Le Roux was
a worldwide criminal,
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operating at a level
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that very few people truly knew
or truly understood.
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Jack's life was under threat
at one time from Paul.
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He had maintained this
good relationship with Paul,
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but he worried that at some time
that could change.
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So he believed that the only way
to protect himself
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was to help put
Paul Le Roux in jail.
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Myself and Eric Stouch became
more and more convinced
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that Jack was the right person
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to infiltrate
the Le Roux organization.
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SCHLIEBS: The heat's coming
on Le Roux in the Philippines.
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He's getting reports
from people he's corrupted
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within the Philippine
law enforcement agencies
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that the DEA are looking at him,
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that the Australian
Federal Police
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are showing an interest in him.
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And Le Roux decides to leave,
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and he sets himself up
in Brazil.
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CINDRIC: Paul established
himself in places
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that he knew where he would
have a strong chance
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of not being extradited.
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And what he did is he actually
impregnated a woman in Brazil,
347
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had a child, so that
he could not be extradited
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should he be arrested by
US authorities in Brazil.
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SCHLIEBS: Le Roux looks like
a super villain.
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He's running meth,
he's running guns,
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he has a private militia,
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he has heavily armed
and well‐trained
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former army commandos
at his disposal,
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but one of the few
illegal activities
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that he hasn't yet been
involved in is cocaine.
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CINDRIC: Paul wanted
to get into cocaine
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in order to be the narco
like Pablo Escobar.
360
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So that is what Paul
attempted to do.
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What we learned from
the wire taps of Paul
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was the identification
of the boat the MV JeReVe.
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These guys would load
the cocaine in Peru
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and then take this boat
all the way across the Pacific.
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SCHLIEBS: The DEA, they believe
it's heading to Australia,
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they tip off Australian
law enforcement agencies.
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CRAFT: My name's Dave Craft,
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I'm a federal agent with
the Australian Federal Police.
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In August 2012, the DEA
provided information to the AFP,
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that a vessel of interest,
the JeReVe,
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was intending to make a shipment
of cocaine to Australia.
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It was part of a wider
investigation into Paul Le Roux
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and his wider syndicate
and activities.
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Le Roux was looking to establish
a cocaine route
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to Australia from Ecuador.
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This vessel, the JeReVe,
was the first vessel
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that was going to be utilized
under that syndicate.
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He was looking to provide
a vessel every six weeks.
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Le Roux is a holder of
an Australian passport
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and lived in Australia for an
amount of time in the late '90s.
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He knew the mark‐up in price
that he could make
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for getting cocaine
to Australia.
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Once he came up
with an idea or a venture,
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he would go into it
wholeheartedly.
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He was someone that wanted
things done quickly
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and he wanted it
done succinctly.
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The JeReVe, it was conveyed
down to Panama.
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The skipper,
who was Ivan Vaclavik,
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who would be tasked
with moving the vessel
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through the Panama Canal
down to Ecuador.
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The Ecuadorian Navy
boarded the vessel
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and did their compliance work.
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We were provided with photos,
documentation,
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everything from
on board the vessel.
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00:22:20,777 --> 00:22:24,406
Part of that were the passports
of the two occupants.
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There was a level of confidence
by both Vaclavik and Rindzak
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before they left the port.
401
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They posed with customs agents,
402
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:35,083
they were extremely relaxed
in their dealings with them.
403
00:22:35,083 --> 00:22:37,502
That indicated to us that
there were no drugs on board
404
00:22:37,502 --> 00:22:41,965
at the time that they left port.
405
00:22:41,965 --> 00:22:45,135
CINDRIC: The Ecuadorian Navy,
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00:22:45,135 --> 00:22:47,178
they placed a tracker
on the boat.
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00:22:51,725 --> 00:22:54,978
CRAFT: The JeReVe departed
Ecuador on the 20th of August.
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00:22:54,978 --> 00:22:56,605
Through their
clearance paperwork,
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they declared
their ultimate destination
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or their final destination,
as Sydney, Australia.
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They went west for
a short period of time
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before heading south.
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We believe the vessel stopped
off the coast of Peru
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where it met up
with another vessel
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where the cocaine
was loaded on board.
416
00:23:13,538 --> 00:23:15,165
There was a tracking device
on board
417
00:23:15,165 --> 00:23:18,251
and we were getting live
locational feeds off that,
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00:23:18,251 --> 00:23:21,671
off that device
on a regular basis.
419
00:23:21,671 --> 00:23:23,798
We just had no
Australian‐based intelligence
420
00:23:23,798 --> 00:23:25,634
as to where the drugs
were going to go,
421
00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:27,052
so we looked for opportunities
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00:23:27,052 --> 00:23:29,512
to disrupt this operation
offshore.
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The best case scenario is
that we locate the vessel
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at a stop point along the way,
interdict the vessel,
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00:23:38,688 --> 00:23:41,399
arrest those on board
and seize the cocaine.
426
00:23:45,862 --> 00:23:49,157
Worst‐case scenario is that
we don't locate the vessel,
427
00:23:49,157 --> 00:23:50,992
that we miss the vessel,
428
00:23:50,992 --> 00:23:53,870
that it meets a daughter vessel
off the coast of Australia,
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00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:57,248
exchanges those drugs to another
unknown vessel, and we miss it.
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SCHLIEBS: In South America
he's an outsider,
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he's someone who's not
a known quantity,
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00:24:16,643 --> 00:24:19,187
and it's very hard
for him to break through
435
00:24:19,187 --> 00:24:23,733
and to get on the inside
of the cocaine trade.
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CINDRIC: Paul was looking
to obtain cocaine,
437
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:30,448
and we came up with the plan
to introduce a Colombian
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00:24:30,448 --> 00:24:33,994
and a cocaine deal.
439
00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:37,372
The Colombian boss
was a DEA source.
440
00:24:37,372 --> 00:24:42,210
He fit a look that Paul
would be intrigued by
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00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,379
of a Colombian boss.
442
00:24:44,379 --> 00:24:47,924
He was a tall, good‐looking,
salt and pepper hair,
443
00:24:47,924 --> 00:24:50,343
mid‐40 Colombian.
444
00:24:50,343 --> 00:24:54,639
Paul 100% revered
the Colombian drug dealers.
445
00:24:54,639 --> 00:25:00,645
He liked the idea of
the top boss, the Pablo Escobar,
446
00:25:00,645 --> 00:25:02,814
the guy sitting
on top of the throne,
447
00:25:02,814 --> 00:25:09,821
and so we wanted
to give him that guy.
448
00:25:09,821 --> 00:25:13,241
He felt that by having
this Colombian connection,
449
00:25:13,241 --> 00:25:15,785
he could obtain cocaine
from the Colombians
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and in exchange
he would provide meth.
451
00:25:19,622 --> 00:25:21,875
What they agreed to
was a straight swap:
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100 kilos of meth for
100 kilos of cocaine.
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Jack explained to Paul
that Colombians,
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they need a boss‐to‐boss meeting
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00:25:44,647 --> 00:25:48,526
before business is
consummated, okay.
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Paul got that,
he understood that.
459
00:25:52,697 --> 00:25:54,783
Paul agreed to that meeting.
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MALTZ: We picked Liberia
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because we had
previous successes
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00:26:04,918 --> 00:26:07,796
working with
the Liberian officials.
464
00:26:07,796 --> 00:26:12,383
The president of Liberia
was very, very pro‐DEA
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00:26:12,383 --> 00:26:14,844
and was very interested
in working a joint operation
466
00:26:14,844 --> 00:26:16,971
with us on this case.
467
00:26:16,971 --> 00:26:20,308
This one I wanted to go on,
I wanted to see firsthand,
468
00:26:20,308 --> 00:26:22,644
you know, what would happen
on the ground in Liberia
469
00:26:22,644 --> 00:26:24,646
and how this whole thing
played out.
470
00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:31,986
So we planned where we got
a chartered flight,
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00:26:31,986 --> 00:26:36,366
flew down into Liberia,
landed late in the night,
472
00:26:36,366 --> 00:26:38,660
and set up the operation
once on the ground in Liberia
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00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:40,995
with the other DEA agents.
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00:26:40,995 --> 00:26:43,665
CINDRIC: So myself and
Eric Stouch get on the ground,
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00:26:43,665 --> 00:26:47,418
we get everything lined up
with the Liberians.
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00:26:47,418 --> 00:26:49,420
You can indict anybody
sometimes, right,
477
00:26:49,420 --> 00:26:51,464
but can you grab 'em?
478
00:26:51,464 --> 00:26:56,553
And that's where this kinda
ratcheted up the intensity.
479
00:26:56,553 --> 00:26:58,054
This was the coup de grâce
for us.
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00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:10,024
CINDRIC: Paul doesn't show up
when he's supposed to.
481
00:27:10,024 --> 00:27:13,027
It was a very tense time.
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00:27:13,027 --> 00:27:15,697
If he doesn't get on that plane,
we have him indicted,
483
00:27:15,697 --> 00:27:18,491
but all that work's for nothing
at this point.
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00:27:18,491 --> 00:27:22,912
So, ultimately, we find out
after being on the ground
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00:27:22,912 --> 00:27:26,875
for about two and a half,
three weeks, Paul's coming.
486
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I saw him when he got
to the hotel parking lot
487
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:34,757
and watched him head in.
488
00:27:34,757 --> 00:27:39,262
It was the first time we had
laid eyes on him firsthand.
489
00:27:39,262 --> 00:27:42,056
He looked like
a big rugby player.
490
00:27:42,056 --> 00:27:48,938
He was definitely a guy who
was not impressed by clothes,
491
00:27:48,938 --> 00:27:51,649
impressed by jewelry.
492
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:56,279
He was in a pair of shorts, polo
shirt and a pair of flip‐flops.
493
00:27:59,657 --> 00:28:03,369
Jack takes him in and gets him
settled for the evening.
494
00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:05,914
The plan is for the next day,
495
00:28:05,914 --> 00:28:09,792
for Paul to have a meeting
with the Colombian boss.
496
00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:13,212
When he comes back to the hotel
room, our plan is to arrest him.
497
00:28:13,212 --> 00:28:19,719
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498
00:28:19,719 --> 00:28:21,262
♪ ♪
499
00:30:13,207 --> 00:30:15,710
♪ ♪
500
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:21,049
♪ ♪
501
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:24,177
CINDRIC: During that meeting
with the Colombian boss,
502
00:30:24,177 --> 00:30:27,263
Paul basically gave his résumé,
503
00:30:27,263 --> 00:30:29,599
talked about having
killed opposition,
504
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:34,645
was very forthright
and open about everything.
505
00:30:34,645 --> 00:30:37,356
They conclude the meeting,
506
00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:40,943
Jack takes Paul back
to his hotel room,
507
00:30:40,943 --> 00:30:43,571
and then with the Liberians
508
00:30:43,571 --> 00:30:46,407
we decide we're gonna
go affect the arrest.
509
00:30:52,538 --> 00:30:54,457
MALTZ: What they did was
they knocked on the door
510
00:30:54,457 --> 00:30:56,375
to try to get him
to come to the door,
511
00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:59,378
and they had to identify
themselves as room service.
512
00:31:05,134 --> 00:31:07,095
PAUL: Hello?
513
00:31:07,095 --> 00:31:11,516
CINDRIC: As we make entry, Paul
immediately goes into defensive,
514
00:31:11,516 --> 00:31:13,309
you can tell it completely
caught him off guard.
515
00:31:13,309 --> 00:31:14,352
PAUL: No, no, no, no, no, no!
516
00:31:14,352 --> 00:31:16,187
CINDRIC: "No, no, no, no, no,
517
00:31:16,187 --> 00:31:18,147
you're not going to put me under
arrest, no, no, no, no, no."
518
00:31:18,147 --> 00:31:19,440
OFFICER: Put your hands
behind your back.
519
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,150
PAUL: No.
OFFICER: You're under arrest.
520
00:31:21,150 --> 00:31:22,401
PAUL: You're not putting me
under arrest.
521
00:31:22,401 --> 00:31:24,320
OFFICER: Stop resisting!
(Paul screams)
522
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,781
CINDRIC: I think he's trying to
figure out how two dumb cops
523
00:31:26,781 --> 00:31:29,659
actually were able to catch
somebody as smart as him.
524
00:31:29,659 --> 00:31:31,285
PAUL: Ahhh! Ahhh!
525
00:31:31,285 --> 00:31:34,205
CINDRIC: Paul's screaming
like a madman.
526
00:31:34,205 --> 00:31:36,374
No "(bleep) you's",
no "go to hells,"
527
00:31:36,374 --> 00:31:38,042
just screaming.
528
00:31:38,042 --> 00:31:40,419
Finally, the Liberian goes,
529
00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:43,589
"Sir, put your hands
behind your back,
530
00:31:43,589 --> 00:31:46,843
you are under arrest
or I will shoot you."
531
00:31:46,843 --> 00:31:48,219
OFFICER: Or I'll shoot you.
532
00:31:48,219 --> 00:31:49,637
CINDRIC:
We're all like, "Oh, no!"
533
00:31:49,637 --> 00:31:53,599
Because in Africa
arrests go from zero to 60,
534
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,519
there's no escalation
of force in Africa.
535
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,437
PAUL: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
536
00:31:58,437 --> 00:32:00,606
Okay, okay.
537
00:32:00,606 --> 00:32:02,567
CINDRIC: So finally,
everything calms down,
538
00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:05,278
we get him handcuffed,
we secure the evidence,
539
00:32:05,278 --> 00:32:11,284
he starts immediately trying
to bribe the police officers.
540
00:32:11,284 --> 00:32:13,786
He's going, "My African brother,
my African brother,
541
00:32:13,786 --> 00:32:15,997
how can we work this out?"
542
00:32:15,997 --> 00:32:18,666
And he wouldn't even look at me.
543
00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:21,127
PAUL: This is a mess,
we're like kin.
544
00:32:21,127 --> 00:32:23,254
We're like kin forever.
545
00:32:23,254 --> 00:32:26,340
CINDRIC: He wouldn't look
at any of the other DEA agents.
546
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,509
He would only focus on them,
547
00:32:28,509 --> 00:32:31,929
and he was trying to get them
to let him go.
548
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,351
MALTZ: Paul Le Roux
learned at some point
549
00:32:37,351 --> 00:32:42,523
he was going back to America
to face justice.
550
00:32:42,523 --> 00:32:45,067
He wasn't happy about that.
551
00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:50,489
CINDRIC: Paul laughs and says,
"I'm gonna apologize in advance,
552
00:32:50,489 --> 00:32:53,159
I'm not getting on that plane."
553
00:32:53,159 --> 00:32:54,744
"What?"
554
00:32:54,744 --> 00:32:58,456
He goes, "I'm not getting
on that plane."
555
00:32:58,456 --> 00:33:00,833
MALTZ: I heard him yelling,
he didn't want to go back,
556
00:33:00,833 --> 00:33:02,668
he felt like
it was a kidnapping.
557
00:33:02,668 --> 00:33:04,503
PAUL: Ah! Ah!
558
00:33:04,503 --> 00:33:07,548
CINDRIC: It takes not only
all the agents,
559
00:33:07,548 --> 00:33:09,759
but about six Liberians
560
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:13,888
to carry him down
three flights of stairs.
561
00:33:13,888 --> 00:33:15,973
We get him pressed up
into the van,
562
00:33:15,973 --> 00:33:18,517
one Liberian goes,
"Shut the door! Shut the door!"
563
00:33:18,517 --> 00:33:20,353
And he shoves him in,
I'm telling you,
564
00:33:20,353 --> 00:33:22,813
it's like 10 pounds of (bleep)
in a five‐pound bag.
565
00:33:25,441 --> 00:33:28,653
Paul is like twisted and turned,
566
00:33:28,653 --> 00:33:31,113
pressed against the door,
can't sit down,
567
00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:33,658
and we're just like, "We're
going to the airport like this."
568
00:33:33,658 --> 00:33:35,076
PAUL: Ah! Ah!
569
00:33:35,076 --> 00:33:37,912
CINDRIC: Paul breaks
into hysterics,
570
00:33:37,912 --> 00:33:41,582
and he goes,
"I did apologize in advance,
571
00:33:41,582 --> 00:33:43,876
I told you I wasn't
getting on the plane."
572
00:33:47,213 --> 00:33:48,923
MALTZ: As the head
of this operation,
573
00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:51,425
I was concerned about
one thing only.
574
00:33:51,425 --> 00:33:54,637
We were going back on this jet,
and this guy, 300 pounds,
575
00:33:54,637 --> 00:33:57,723
is gonna break bad
and charge to the cockpit,
576
00:33:57,723 --> 00:33:59,016
that had no cockpit door.
577
00:33:59,016 --> 00:34:00,601
So I was afraid, like,
578
00:34:00,601 --> 00:34:02,937
this guy's gonna try
to take over the plane.
579
00:34:05,273 --> 00:34:10,444
CINDRIC: He was told to behave
himself on the plane,
580
00:34:10,444 --> 00:34:13,614
or that he would probably be
thrown off the plane, okay,
581
00:34:13,614 --> 00:34:16,075
at 35,000 feet.
582
00:34:16,075 --> 00:34:18,035
I'm being facetious,
583
00:34:18,035 --> 00:34:20,705
but, you know, we were tired
of the antics at that point.
584
00:34:20,705 --> 00:34:23,791
Everybody's just happy
to get on the plane.
585
00:34:23,791 --> 00:34:26,127
He decides to be agreeable then.
586
00:34:26,127 --> 00:34:28,921
We sit him in a chair
on the plane,
587
00:34:28,921 --> 00:34:31,257
and he becomes
the chairman of the board.
588
00:34:31,257 --> 00:34:33,926
The time now was
for Paul to negotiate
589
00:34:33,926 --> 00:34:36,053
the best deal possible.
590
00:34:36,053 --> 00:34:40,474
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591
00:34:40,474 --> 00:34:45,938
♪ ♪
592
00:34:45,938 --> 00:34:47,606
CRAFT: Based off
the tracking of the vessel,
593
00:34:47,606 --> 00:34:49,650
the path it was taking,
the weather conditions,
594
00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:51,527
we believed it was
going to make a stop
595
00:34:51,527 --> 00:34:54,280
in the northern area
of the Cook Islands.
596
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,033
We identified a possible area
that we thought it might go,
597
00:34:57,033 --> 00:34:58,492
which was a place called
Penrhyn Island,
598
00:34:58,492 --> 00:35:00,745
which was a small atoll.
599
00:35:00,745 --> 00:35:02,622
One of our concerns when
we looked at that area
600
00:35:02,622 --> 00:35:06,167
was that it had an airstrip.
601
00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:09,211
You look at the options,
is this a case of the vessel
602
00:35:09,211 --> 00:35:12,423
simply arriving at a location
unloading to another vessel,
603
00:35:12,423 --> 00:35:15,384
or potentially to an aircraft?
604
00:35:15,384 --> 00:35:17,845
So myself and a member of
the Australian Border Force
605
00:35:17,845 --> 00:35:19,013
traveled to the Cook Islands
606
00:35:19,013 --> 00:35:21,098
to coordinate
a possible interdiction.
607
00:35:24,393 --> 00:35:27,104
Um, unfortunately the vessel
just didn't arrive.
608
00:35:31,776 --> 00:35:34,195
We're no longer getting
locational data
609
00:35:34,195 --> 00:35:37,323
as to where the vessel may be.
610
00:35:37,323 --> 00:35:40,034
CINDRIC: Captain Ivan
found the tracker,
611
00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:43,996
and he tossed the tracker
off the boat.
612
00:35:43,996 --> 00:35:45,748
CRAFT: Did the vessel
meet with another vessel
613
00:35:45,748 --> 00:35:47,750
that we weren't aware of?
614
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:50,461
Did it go to another location
that we didn't suspect?
615
00:35:50,461 --> 00:35:52,004
There was a multitude of things
616
00:35:52,004 --> 00:35:55,591
running through our minds
at that time.
617
00:35:55,591 --> 00:35:58,010
We were baffled as
to what had happened.
618
00:35:58,010 --> 00:36:05,017
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619
00:36:05,142 --> 00:36:08,187
MALTZ: He decided to come
fully aboard, as we call,
620
00:36:08,187 --> 00:36:10,272
joining Team America, right,
621
00:36:10,272 --> 00:36:14,360
and he wanted to cooperate
with the government.
622
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,320
So one of the questions
on my mind,
623
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,950
"Hey, Paul, what the hell
happened with that vessel?"
624
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:23,202
CINDRIC:
After the arrest of Paul,
625
00:36:23,202 --> 00:36:27,665
he made a call in an effort
to locate where the boat was.
626
00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:29,500
Couldn't get hold of Ivan,
627
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:31,669
couldn't get hold of
anybody on the boat.
628
00:36:31,669 --> 00:36:35,548
So he called Ivan's wife.
629
00:36:35,548 --> 00:36:39,260
She said that they were
got by the fish men.
630
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:43,139
We were never able to determine
who the fish men was.
631
00:36:43,139 --> 00:36:45,182
The working hypothesis on this
632
00:36:45,182 --> 00:36:49,895
is that maybe they got
interdicted by pirates.
633
00:36:49,895 --> 00:36:54,275
♪ ♪
634
00:36:54,275 --> 00:36:58,821
♪ ♪
635
00:37:00,614 --> 00:37:02,908
CRAFT: We got a message
that the Tongan Navy
636
00:37:02,908 --> 00:37:07,329
had located the vessel washed
ashore at an atoll in Tonga.
637
00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:11,041
The male had been located
on board who was deceased.
638
00:37:11,041 --> 00:37:13,794
And that person on board
was Milan Rindzak.
639
00:37:16,922 --> 00:37:20,050
A load of 204 kilos of cocaine
was located
640
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:21,761
secreted underneath the bunk
641
00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:25,097
in the forward cabin
in a purpose‐built hide.
642
00:37:25,097 --> 00:37:27,558
We were wondering
what happened to Vaclavik,
643
00:37:27,558 --> 00:37:31,771
you know, how did they end up
in this predicament?
644
00:37:31,771 --> 00:37:33,105
CINDRIC: But the odd thing was,
645
00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:36,108
if they were interdicted
by pirates,
646
00:37:36,108 --> 00:37:37,693
they would have
searched that boat
647
00:37:37,693 --> 00:37:39,862
and found those kilos
and taken 'em.
648
00:37:39,862 --> 00:37:43,407
So we really don't know the
mystery behind the MV JeReVe,
649
00:37:43,407 --> 00:37:48,496
and who actually,
who the fish men were,
650
00:37:48,496 --> 00:37:50,915
and whatever happened
to Captain Ivan
651
00:37:50,915 --> 00:37:53,834
and the, and his first mate.
652
00:37:53,834 --> 00:37:59,423
♪ ♪
653
00:37:59,423 --> 00:38:05,471
♪ ♪
654
00:38:08,891 --> 00:38:11,185
CINDRIC: Le Roux told myself
that he believed
655
00:38:11,185 --> 00:38:13,062
that if anybody
was gonna survive
656
00:38:13,062 --> 00:38:16,023
it was gonna be Captain Ivan,
that he was a survivor.
657
00:38:16,023 --> 00:38:19,693
And after the seizure
of the MV JeReVe,
658
00:38:19,693 --> 00:38:25,366
we saw on TV
that some guy showed up
659
00:38:25,366 --> 00:38:28,744
saying that he had
been thrown overboard
660
00:38:28,744 --> 00:38:32,206
out in the Pacific and survived.
661
00:38:32,206 --> 00:38:34,333
Eric Stouch and I are
at breakfast discussing this,
662
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:37,962
and we're laughing, but
we're like, is this possible?
663
00:38:37,962 --> 00:38:40,381
We pull it up on the Internet
and Paul looks at the picture,
664
00:38:40,381 --> 00:38:43,884
and he goes,
"Ah, it's not Captain Ivan."
665
00:38:43,884 --> 00:38:46,929
To this day we really
don't know what happened.
666
00:38:46,929 --> 00:38:50,349
♪ ♪
667
00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:54,854
♪ ♪
668
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:57,731
CRAFT: If you look
at some of the images
669
00:38:57,731 --> 00:38:59,108
from when they first left,
670
00:38:59,108 --> 00:39:01,110
they were very buoyant
in their photographs.
671
00:39:06,073 --> 00:39:08,033
And then towards the end
672
00:39:08,033 --> 00:39:10,828
they were, you know, almost
weather‐beaten and downcast.
673
00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:18,752
We know that a quantity of
cocaine was on board the vessel.
674
00:39:18,752 --> 00:39:21,714
I think if you look at
a journey of this length,
675
00:39:21,714 --> 00:39:23,132
obviously boredom sets in.
676
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:30,556
My belief is that simply
that they,
677
00:39:30,556 --> 00:39:34,977
they took part in some of
the drugs that were on board.
678
00:39:34,977 --> 00:39:36,687
Obviously the effects
of cocaine,
679
00:39:36,687 --> 00:39:38,272
especially of high purity,
680
00:39:38,272 --> 00:39:41,859
have the potential to,
not only cause cardiac arrest,
681
00:39:41,859 --> 00:39:45,237
but possibly hallucinations.
682
00:39:45,237 --> 00:39:48,741
That may account for
some of the disjointed
683
00:39:48,741 --> 00:39:51,118
and bizarre conversations
684
00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:52,953
that Vaclavik may have had
with his wife,
685
00:39:52,953 --> 00:39:56,415
that he'd been taken
by the fish men.
686
00:39:56,415 --> 00:40:00,544
I believe that they probably
partook in some of the cocaine.
687
00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:02,171
As a result they've both died
688
00:40:02,171 --> 00:40:04,506
when the vessel is
ultimately come to rest
689
00:40:04,506 --> 00:40:07,176
on the reef and on its side.
690
00:40:07,176 --> 00:40:10,304
Rindzak, that fact that his body
was located in the wheel well,
691
00:40:10,304 --> 00:40:12,181
this caused his body
to stay on board,
692
00:40:12,181 --> 00:40:16,393
that fact that he was in
the steering well of the vessel.
693
00:40:16,393 --> 00:40:19,521
I believe that Vaclavik's body
has become dislodged
694
00:40:19,521 --> 00:40:21,065
and been lost at sea.
695
00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:32,326
♪ ♪
696
00:40:32,326 --> 00:40:35,162
CINDRIC: As a result
of Paul's working
697
00:40:35,162 --> 00:40:36,747
with myself and Eric Stouch,
698
00:40:36,747 --> 00:40:41,210
we created a scenario
to arrest Joseph Hunter
699
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,295
and the mercenary team.
700
00:40:43,295 --> 00:40:46,799
We decided to throw out
an opportunity for them
701
00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:52,888
to kill a mythical DEA agent
and mythical DEA source.
702
00:40:52,888 --> 00:40:58,352
And we actually used,
which is kind of amusing,
703
00:40:58,352 --> 00:41:02,398
the backdrop of the JeReVe
704
00:41:02,398 --> 00:41:07,027
as one of the reasons
for them being killed.
705
00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:13,742
Hunter believed that
there's no way people died
706
00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:16,078
and just left 204 kilos.
707
00:41:16,078 --> 00:41:18,455
It had to be
a law enforcement operation,
708
00:41:18,455 --> 00:41:21,291
so we let them believe that.
709
00:41:21,291 --> 00:41:26,380
So we used that scenario
to create these two guys
710
00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:28,132
that needed to be killed
711
00:41:28,132 --> 00:41:30,342
on behalf of the Colombians
and Paul.
712
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:36,348
MALTZ: We set up this complex
multi‐country operation
713
00:41:36,348 --> 00:41:40,019
in Thailand, Estonia
and Liberia.
714
00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:43,230
CINDRIC: So all in all,
we had 10 people arrested,
715
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:45,691
three continents, nine hours.
716
00:41:45,691 --> 00:41:48,902
I still am amazed
that we were able
717
00:41:48,902 --> 00:41:51,113
to pull off that coordination.
718
00:41:51,113 --> 00:41:55,034
♪ ♪
719
00:41:55,034 --> 00:42:01,999
♪ ♪
720
00:42:01,999 --> 00:42:05,210
Paul Le Roux is a Rubik's Cube.
721
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:08,714
He's complicated,
he's multifaceted.
722
00:42:08,714 --> 00:42:13,552
He could be gregarious
and affable on one hand,
723
00:42:13,552 --> 00:42:18,015
and then the next day
that could be a total spin,
724
00:42:18,015 --> 00:42:20,309
and he could be
725
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:23,228
the most dangerous man
you'd ever meet.
726
00:42:23,228 --> 00:42:28,400
He is the pinnacle of the cases
I've done in my career.
727
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,071
I don't think I would ever
get the opportunity
728
00:42:32,071 --> 00:42:37,326
to arrest another Paul Le Roux
or anybody of his significance.
729
00:42:37,326 --> 00:42:40,454
♪ ♪
730
00:42:40,454 --> 00:42:46,835
♪ ♪
731
00:42:46,835 --> 00:42:48,962
CRAFT: Paul Le Roux wanted to be
one of those drug lords,
732
00:42:48,962 --> 00:42:51,090
he wanted to be one
of those kingpins,
733
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,342
wanted to be someone
of influence,
734
00:42:53,342 --> 00:42:56,470
whether that be in Africa,
or whether that be in Asia,
735
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:59,515
or whether that be in Australia,
736
00:42:59,515 --> 00:43:01,183
I think it was just
an ultimate goal
737
00:43:01,183 --> 00:43:04,603
he wanted to be one
of those big players.
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00:43:04,603 --> 00:43:06,105
MALTZ: Paul Le Roux was like
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00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:08,524
the typical
James Bond villain, right?
740
00:43:08,524 --> 00:43:10,275
Anytime he could
beat the government,
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00:43:10,275 --> 00:43:13,403
anytime he can make more money,
it excited him.
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00:43:13,403 --> 00:43:17,783
The guy was very, you know,
global in nature.
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00:43:17,783 --> 00:43:20,410
But he also sat
behind his computer
744
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:23,288
with a sophisticated technology
and did all his business.
745
00:43:23,288 --> 00:43:26,125
Law enforcement
must start embracing
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00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,876
the Paul Le Roux types,
747
00:43:27,876 --> 00:43:30,420
because there's more and more
of them out there
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00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:32,214
with the same motives,
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00:43:32,214 --> 00:43:36,051
the same methods
of beating the system.
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00:43:36,051 --> 00:43:37,636
PAUL: Everything is sweet,
everything is sweet.
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00:43:37,636 --> 00:43:38,595
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