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NEWSREADER: The hunt
for Pablo Escobar,
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the Colombian drug lord,
ended today.
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PETER: The Sinaloa Cartel,
under the leadership
of El Chapo Guzman,
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rose to become the
wealthiest, most powerful
cartel in the world.
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BONNY: Chapo was an
evil person, and I don't
use that word lightly.
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DEREK: We're talking multi
billions of dollars.
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We're talking about
violence that's worse
than Afghanistan and Iraq.
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RUBEN: A good 80 percent of
the cocaine that finally
gets to the United States
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is probably going
through Guatemala.
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PETER: Guatemala became
a critical geographic
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and operational area
in the global narco
trafficking industry.
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PETER: Otto Herrera was the
player in Central America.
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He was the largest,
wealthiest, most powerful
Guatemalan trafficker.
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STEVE: The Herrera
organization moved in excess
of 50 tons of cocaine
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into Central America
on behalf of the
Sinaloa Cartel.
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OTTO: I never envisioned
how big this was going
to get.
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The logistics, the loads,
the storage, the whole
entire Guatemalan operation
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was being run by me.
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OTTO: My name is Otto Herrera.
I was born in Guatemala.
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STEVE: My name is
Steven Fraga.
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I'm a Special Agent of the
United States Drug
Enforcement Administration.
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OTTO: My father used to
work for an American company
down in Guatemala so,
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we had the chance to
attend American school.
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I did my high school in
the United States, in
Riverside, California.
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After school I had, you
know, a couple of jobs
here in the United States
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and I worked construction.
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Did a lot of work
for oil companies,
building gas stations.
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STEVE: When he was in
California, he married
an American woman.
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When he returned
to Guatemala, he had a
wife and a young family,
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so he was looking for work.
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OTTO: I returned to
Guatemala with my wife and
my first daughter, and,
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as I come back to my
hometown, I meet
with old friends,
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and I started, I started a
new business with them.
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A trucking company.
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I'm making a living,
but it's not enough.
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We were aware that
there were airplanes
landing in the area,
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from Colombia and they
were bringing cocaine
into the area.
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The reason that we
knew this, because a
few months earlier,
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there was a plane
crash close by.
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An airplane crashed with
a full load of cocaine
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and cocaine was spread
out all over the fields.
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STEVE: Because of
where Guatemala sits
in Central America,
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it is an ideal location
geographically, as a landing
point for cocaine shipments
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from Colombia that were
transferred by plane.
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OTTO: One of my friends,
we always, spoke about
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how well his brother
was doing, you know?
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Making real money and how
little did we see him work.
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We had our yard where we
parked all our equipment,
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and I noticed that his
brother had a box truck
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parked at the yard
that hardly ever moved.
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So, I opened up the
box truck.
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What I found was
lights and generators,
and radio equipment
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to land airplanes
during the night.
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So we came up with an idea.
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We blocked the fuel line so
the truck wouldn't start.
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And sure enough, about two,
three weeks later, I got the
call from him and told me
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that he needed help because
he wanted to move the truck.
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So we told him that we
wouldn't fix the truck
unless he told us
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what he was doing and,
you know, he came clean.
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For me at first, it was
like the opportunity
of making real money.
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I could assume that it was
going to be risky, so it
had to be good pay.
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STEVE: Otto Herrera saw an
opportunity and provided
valuable assistance
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to that organization.
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OTTO: I knew what
I was getting into.
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I knew there was a
big responsibility.
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There was the fear of
failure more than
anything else.
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STEVE: Herrera maintained
a couple of skill sets
that were unique
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that could be used within
the drug trafficking arena.
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OTTO: I grew up in a banana
plantation, watching the
crop dusters work every day.
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So that was my dream, to
become a crop duster and
that's why, you know,
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I took the lessons and, I
was never able to finish.
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But the knowledge
is there, you know.
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STEVE: He knew how to
fly planes, he knew how
to assess properties
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that could be utilized
as airfields.
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OTTO: I was very handy
with GPSs and all the
navigation equipment
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so I was being sent out
to get coordinates from
these airfields
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and trying to help with
the logistics of the jobs.
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I was just thinking about
getting ahead, making
money and trying to,
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provide my family
with a better life.
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I never envisioned how
big this was going to get.
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I never did.
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The operation was
centralized in
Guatemala because
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of the geographical
position.
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From that area, you can
access the Mexican
borders very quick.
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OTTO: The shipments came
into Guatemala, and it
was our responsibility
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to help these aircraft land.
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And after that, we needed
to safeguard and store the
cocaine till the Mexicans
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were ready to transport,
this cocaine into Mexico.
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RUBEN: To call them
airstrips is an insult
to airstrips,
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but these are basically
small roads in the
grass that they make,
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where they have the small
planes land with cocaine.
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STEVE: The first
representative of the Sinaloa
Cartel that Otto Herrera
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established a working
relationship with,
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was an individual
known as Chuy.
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His true name was
Jesus Soto.
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OTTO: Chuy played
a very important role
in the Sinaloa Cartel.
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He was pretty much in
charge of Guatemala
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and the rest of the countries
in Central America.
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Everything I learned
about trafficking,
about drug trafficking,
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I learned from Chuy.
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The way to approach people,
the way to negotiate deals.
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Most important was to
learn what the people
in Sinaloa liked.
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To be loyal to them and
to work strictly for them.
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Mayo Zambada, I was very
close to Mayo Zambada.
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I visit Mayo several times.
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The first person that
introduced me to Mayo
Zambada was Chuy.
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I did spend a lot
of time with Chuy.
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I drove him around all over
the country, scouting places,
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meeting people and I got
to know him quite well.
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Our relationship grew closer.
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At the same time, there
was a lot of rumors being
spread about Guatemalans
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I was working for, in
relation with shipments
getting stolen.
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Portions of shipments
and full shipments.
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This is a subject that me
and Chuy used to talk about.
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I was instructed to
take the shipment
over to the border.
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The plan was for the
shipment to disappear on the
way to the Mexican border.
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I did fear for my life,
cause I had a feeling
that, with that shipment,
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I was gonna disappear too.
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They knew about my
relationship with
Chuy already.
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They knew I was
very close to him.
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So I figured that if
the load disappeared,
I would disappear too.
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I got a hold of Chuy
and told him what I
was gonna do.
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I switched the drugs to
a different truck, and
I took off.
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I took off without
telling anybody.
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And I got to the rendezvous
spot, okay, and turned in
the merchandise.
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OTTO: Chuy brought me in
and told me, from here on,
you will be my employee.
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You have nothing to
do with them anymore.
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I knew they were
not gonna be happy.
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The transition was kinda hard
and, it was just another
matter of laying low.
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As time went by, more
responsibility was laid on
me and I became that link
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in between the Colombians
and the Sinaloa Cartel.
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STEVE: Chuy, on behalf of the
Sinaloa Cartel, recognized
Otto Herrera's discipline,
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communication, attention
to detail, business sense,
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the fact that Otto Herrera
was a person that did
desire attention.
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OTTO: I kept a very low
profile around my family.
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It was a secret to my
wife, what was going on.
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If you were going to work
for me, you had to
you had to be straight.
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I didn't allow anybody to
use drugs, because I
didn't use.
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It's a different story
with the Mexicans.
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I think It's part of
their Narco culture.
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Chuy always struggled
with drug addiction, a
heavy drug addiction.
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And I tried to stay away
from him when he was in
his rampages,
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because he was a totally
different person.
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He got very violent.
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Chuy, at a social
event in Mexico,
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he started drinking and
he started doing drugs
at the event
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and, first thing he did
was go after a gun.
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And by mistake he
shot a family member.
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It was a tragedy.
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He never got over that.
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I think his drug use
increased after that.
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And from there it
was downhill.
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After a year or a little
longer after a year, he
came to me and said, Otto,
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you can run this yourself.
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STEVE: Herrera ultimately
became his own
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drug trafficking
organization within
Guatemala.
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The Herrera organization
moved in excess of fifty
tons of cocaine
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into Central America on
behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel.
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I don't think Otto
Herrera ever considered
that he would be arrested.
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OTTO: What we have
here is a Piper Aztec.
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This particular aircraft was
used many, many, many times
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to smuggle drugs from
Colombia into Central
America.
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OTTO: In order to get this
done with this aircraft,
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you have to do a lot of a
lot of custom work on it.
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The main idea is
to create enough space
to put our load in it.
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Anything from 700
to 900 kilos.
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It's about 16 to 1800 pounds.
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The wiring of these
aircraft is very heavy,
believe it or not.
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So a lot of the wiring
is stripped out.
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The transponder is used when
the plane has an accident, so
It's stripped out of it too.
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One of the most important
things that came out was
the radio system,
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which is very heavy.
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Most of the seats go,
all the upholstery goes.
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This seat right here
was always removed,
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and it was replaced with
an extra fuel container.
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So as you remove
equipment, that makes
the aircraft lighter
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which increases the
payload on it.
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When the custom work
was done, that would
put it up to, you know,
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close to 6 million
dollar loads when it
was at full capacity.
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STEVE: It's an incredible
amount of money.
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At the same time, there's a
very, very significant cost
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to manage these
transportation
infrastructures.
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For instance, a singleāengine
aircraft may be upwards of
one or two million dollars.
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It includes the payment to
pilots to fly the airplanes,
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people who load the
aircraft with the cocaine.
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The air traffic controllers,
police or military in
corrupt countries
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to allow aircraft to
safely exit countries.
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There's a very, very
significant amount
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of money that's paid
into the operation.
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OTTO: The Mayan Landing
System, It's just a nickname
we gave to a procedure that,
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we came up with to
operate during the night,
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and basically, do manually
what an instrument landing
system does.
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The idea was to
minimize the risk of
losing a load, so,
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night operation was
very important.
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You know, we came up with a
system that would help the
pilots find the airfields
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very easy, and land
very easy.
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We would take an aircraft
and we would fly the
last part of the route,
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and we would record every
single part of the route.
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We would take elevation,
speed coordinate.
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We would trace the
final approach.
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We would give them all the
information of the speed
they needed to take,
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and this facilitated the
landing during the night.
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The main idea is to fly
into international waters
as quick as possible,
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and the route takes you
through the Caribbean
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and into the Caribbean
shores of Guatemala.
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The main idea is for the
receiving end to have a
clandestine airfield,
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the closest to the
ocean as possible.
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STEVE: The flights would
enter Central America during
the hours of darkness,
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early morning, one, two,
three o'clock in the morning.
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OTTO: As they do their
final approach, everything
is done in the dark.
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Last two or three minutes
of the final approach
are the most crucial.
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That's when they'll ask
to have the lights on
the airfield turned on.
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They'll be turned on, and
as they land, as soon as
they touch ground,
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those lights are out.
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OTTO: Yeah, very
dangerous stuff.
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These operations are not
for, for normal pilots.
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It's a special breed of
pilot that can do this
type of operations.
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We had casualties.
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Sometimes, you know,
at the beginning when
we first started,
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the planes were overloaded.
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We did not know enough to
know that the plane could
not take the weight.
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Sometimes the runway was too
short, or you simply just
had a pilot that didn't have
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the experience and,
malfunctions in the engines,
especially on piston engines,
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it was very common, that
an engine would fail.
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And once one of these
engines failed and you have
that type of load on it,
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It's very hard for a flight,
you know, to continue.
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I did lose a friend.
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Ah, the person just
misread his instruments
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and crashed against a
mountain coming out
of Colombia.
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You can't do nothing about it
but wait for the authorities
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to come and rescue whoever
is alive and, you know,
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recover the load and
that's how you find
out, through the news.
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STEVE: It was common
within these organizations
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to use planes for
oneātime occurrences.
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They would use bulldozers
to dig massive holes.
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The planes would be buried
at landing strip sites,
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and simply turned inti
aircraft graveyards.
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OTTO: We were running an air
operation and a fast boat
operation at the same time.
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We had two fronts
going full bore.
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There was airplanes landing
in my area every other day.
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I would say in a good
month, you can say, anything
from 8 to 10,000 kilos.
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At that time, the price
of one kilo in
Guatemala was $6,000.
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So if you do the math, that
is quite a bit of money.
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So Chuy told me how he feels
that I can run the whole
entire Guatemalan operation.
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There's going to
be a difference.
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You can have a percentage
on every load that comes.
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I will not pay you a salary
like I've been paying.
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From here on, you know, 10
percent of everything, every
load we get into, you know,
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into Guatemala and that you
handle is gonna be yours.
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STEVE: It's typical in the
drug trafficking trade for
people to be paid in cocaine.
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OTTO: If I have a shipment
coming in from Colombia
with a thousand kilos,
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that means that a
hundred kilos are mine.
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And that I can do with that,
you know, whatever I want.
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I think at the time I still
believed that, I'd done things
the right way and I was,
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invisible, that
nobody knew about me.
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I think I was not
being careful enough.
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You know, after a while you
do this so often that for you
it becomes just, you know,
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another day at the office,
and you start doing things
a little bit more careless.
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As the operation grew,
I started taking, more
precautions.
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I knew that, the
responsibility lay on me,
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so I'll take better
care of myself.
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From there on, I really
screened every single person
that I had contact with,
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and that was my
safety mechanism.
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OTTO: As the shipments
escalate, the cash flow
gets bigger.
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I had a safehouse in
Guatemala, in Zone 14.
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A house that was
used to store money.
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In a given time, we had
30, 40 million dollars, you
know, stored in that house.
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A lot of the money
was not ours.
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It belonged to different
people and different
organizations.
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STEVE: In early 2003, there
was a location identified in
Guatemala City that was being
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used by Otto Herrera and his
organization to store money.
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OTTO: Somehow, they found
the house.
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They raided the house and
they confiscated, a little
bit over 14 million dollars.
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That's what they claimed
that was confiscated.
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At that moment, it
was an eye opener.
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A lot of things hit me.
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After the money was
confiscated in Guatemala,
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you know all chances of
being invisible, you
know, were gone.
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STEVE: Right after that
seizure agents in Guatemala,
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paid a visit to Otto
Herreras wife, and made
it very clear to her,
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that he should make contact
with the Drug Enforcement
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Administration, with the DEA.
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OTTO: DEA agents approached
my wife, and told her that,
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they had a lot of
interest on me.
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You know, your husband is
involved in drug trafficking.
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This is what he's doing.
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If he doesn't talk to us,
you know, he was going
to run into problems.
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At this moment, we just
want to talk to him and see,
you know, how we could help.
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I think that was an
eye opener for her.
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It was the first time that it
was confirmed to her that I
was doing, something illegal.
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This is when we first
started parting out,
you know.
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She really felt that I was
not being honest, I think.
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She could feel that I
would continue to do
what I was doing.
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And she didn't want
to have anything to do
with me at that point.
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I know I had attracted
attention to myself so
for me it was to,
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the best thing to do was to
go into hiding, lay low,
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and try to, not be
involved in it as directly
as I was being involved.
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JEREMY: Once a trafficker's
been identified,
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his or her shelf life, in full
operational mode got shorter
and shorter and shorter.
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OTTO: Late 2006, I have
a visit from another
Sinaloa Cartel member,
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and he tells me this story.
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They found Chuy in his car.
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Chuy got killed.
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He gets killed in
Culiacan, Sinaloa.
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I think it had to do with
his craziness, I think it had
to do with all his drinking.
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I think that he disrespected
a lot of people while he was
that way,
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while he was drunk and
stuff and I got a
feeling that they just,
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it was decided to just,
you know, get rid of him.
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STEVE: He gets adopted
by the Sinaloa Cartel, and
he's detailed to Colombia.
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He was detailed
to work an individual
named Pacho Cifuentes.
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OTTO: Pacho Cifuentes is the
person that is in charge of
shipping all this,
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cocaine to the Mexicans.
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Shipments that
have been delayed.
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So I get instructed to go
to Colombia, to find a way,
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to continue to do
business with Pacho,
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in a way that he can be a
little bit more diligent.
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JEREMY: Francisco
Cifuentes Villa, better
known as Pacho Cifuentes,
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was a pilot for Pablo Escobar
and the Medellin Cartel.
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After Pablo Escobar's
death he goes into
business for himself,
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and he sets up an
extremely prolific
and lucrative route,
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via Central America,
particularly Guatemala.
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OTTO: We met for a couple
of days and it started a new
era of business with him.
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STEVE: Pacho Cifuentes
was another person
that recognized
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the skill sets of Otto
Herrera, in the sense that
it made the organization
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from the South America
side more efficient.
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OTTO: We shared an
office together.
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This huge complex, in
the middle of Medellin,
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and everybody knew that
if you wanted to broker
a load out of Colombia,
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that's the place to go.
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Pacho was very good
at what he did.
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At that time, I think there
was not a better person to
ship drugs out of Colombia.
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Pacho had a network
of pilots, traffic
controllers, authorities,
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that gave him a very,
very high percentage,
of positive loads.
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You know, of success.
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Pacho was a very
easy going person.
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Hardly ever raised his voice.
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And I still believe that
he was kind of naĆÆve.
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He really thought that
he was untouchable.
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He really thought that
nobody was going to
harm him.
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He drove around on
his own, everywhere.
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Pacho didn't have
a bodyguard.
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Pacho didn't drive in a
bulletproof car so,
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I think he just ah,
miscalculated things.
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JEREMY: Pacho Cifuentes
is assassinated.
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This killing creates
serious shockwaves,
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in the Medellin underworld.
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OTTO: Ah. Pacho was a good
friend. I did, really
feel unprotected,
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because I could move around
as freely as he could,
because of his shade.
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So what's going to
happen to me now?
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There was a certain fear.
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STEVE: At any given time
in the drug trafficking
industry,
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there are invisibles
that are out there.
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The question becomes how
long do they stay invisible?
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I was assigned in 2005 to
a unit of the Drug
Enforcement Administration
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called the Bilateral
Investigations Unit.
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When I arrived to that
unit, Otto Herrera was one
of the case file titles.
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A very wanted subject by
the Drug Enforcement
Administration
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and the US Government.
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We were not positive of
what his whereabouts were.
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There was rumor that
he was in Mexico.
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My sense at that time that he
was in hiding somewhere in
remote locations in Guatemala.
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We just weren't positive
actually where he was.
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I received a phone call
from some of the DEA
agents in Miami,
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where they told me that
during the course of
their operation,
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they had identified someone
in Bogota that was using
the name ToƱo.
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But all indications was
that this individual was
actually Otto Herrera.
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It was actually quite
a surprise to us.
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We had no idea
that he was there.
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PETER: We couldn't
quite figure out why he
thought it would be safe,
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to effectively hide out in
Colombia, given the large
number of Colombian
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and US resources dedicated
towards, combating Narco
trafficking.
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OTTO: You know the Pacho
event had just happened,
and I'm trying to lay low.
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I did try to keep myself
invisible for a while,
and I was very low key.
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I've never been a flashy
type. I always lived a,
a humble life.
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I think that kept me
invisible for a while.
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OTTO: Out of nowhere, you
know these, I could only
see three officers,
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a lady and two guys.
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They put me not in a police
car, just in a normal car.
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And they start driving
through Bogota.
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I truly thought that I
was going to get killed.
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STEVE: Otto Herrera was
arrested in Colombia.
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The DEA Miami Field Division
took the lead with working
with the Colombian police,
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in confirming that this
individual named ToƱo
was in fact Otto Herrera.
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STEVE: And it ultimately
resulted in him being
arrested on the street
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in a vehicle car
stop in Colombia.
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OTTO: I knew that I had been,
you know, laundering money.
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I knew I'd been
trafficking drugs.
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I knew that this was
going to catch up with
me sooner or later.
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And basically,
that's what happened.
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BILL: My name is
Bill Clay. Cālāaāy.
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I'm a criminal
defense lawyer.
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My caseload tends to be,
complex Federal criminal
cases involving
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drug trafficking, drug
transportation, money
laundering.
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So when I saw Otto
got arrested, told
my receptionist,
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be on the lookout for
a mystery call,
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I call it, cause sometimes
people call me, they don't
identify who they are.
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So sure enough, within two
hours he called me and says,
hey, do you know who this is?
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And I said, you're Otto.
So when he said, when
can you come down?
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I said, I'll get on
a plane tomorrow.
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OTTO: For me, CĆ³mbita
was an eye opener.
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BILL: High security at
CĆ³mbita. And when I
got in there,
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Otto got brought out to
an area which is, not
an interview room.
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No privacy. Then something
very interesting happened.
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00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:40,408
A young prison guard, maybe
looked like 18āyearāold
kid to me, comes up,
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he leans in and he says,
he's on the wrong side.
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The guard literally turned
white as a sheet, and
he said, he's not safe.
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00:35:50,209 --> 00:35:52,336
It's not safe for me to
say anything anymore.
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00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:57,049
OTTO: Ah. They had put
a price on my head.
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00:36:04,182 --> 00:36:12,815
I guess it was people that,
had a lot of fear that I'd
gone to the States,
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00:36:12,815 --> 00:36:14,984
and tell the story.
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00:36:16,736 --> 00:36:20,656
So they wanted to make
sure that didn't happen.
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BILL: You can be killed in
any place in any prison,
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probably anywhere
in the world,
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00:36:28,372 --> 00:36:32,919
but you're a higher risk
in Colombia than you
would be in a US prison.
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And at that point in
time, I think the risk
was very high for Otto.
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OTTO: Bill approached
the right people so
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I could be in a safer
area in the prison.
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BILL: DEA had Otto
transferred with the
other extraditables.
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And then they instituted
security procedures
to safeguard him,
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that they would wake him
up every two hours to see
if he had been poisoned.
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RUBEN: Really the only
way that you can
effectively lower
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your criminal liability,
your sentence,
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under the Federal
system is to cooperate.
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It is the pretty
much the only way.
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I mean, you can argue
that you're old, that
you're sick, you're tired,
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you've got a disease,
whatever it is, you know,
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00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,818
your Mommy beat you up
when you were a kid,
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that's not really
gonna work, especially
not at that level.
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BILL: My goal is
to mitigate or reduce the
sentence he's going to get.
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So I'm looking at all
the possibilities.
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I go right to work.
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My mind just focusses on,
what can we do to maximize
benefits for Otto?
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00:38:00,506 --> 00:38:04,385
STEVE: I received a phone
call from Bill Clay, and
he said,
434
00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:06,596
what is it that needs
to be done?
435
00:38:06,596 --> 00:38:10,349
BILL: As Colombians would
say, what kind of positivos
436
00:38:10,349 --> 00:38:13,269
can we produce for the
United States government.
437
00:38:13,269 --> 00:38:16,480
STEVE: And I told Bill, I
said, there's no question
438
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,358
that Otto needs to get on
board or cooperate with us.
439
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:26,115
OTTO: It was totally
against what I believed.
440
00:38:29,744 --> 00:38:31,996
RUBEN: Okay, look,
lets think about this
for a second.
441
00:38:31,996 --> 00:38:38,544
Since we were kids, in
school, nobody wanted
to snitch, right?
442
00:38:38,544 --> 00:38:40,963
Snitches get stitches.
443
00:38:40,963 --> 00:38:44,634
What makes you think that a
grown man is any different?
444
00:38:44,634 --> 00:38:49,388
OTTO: It's everything,
everything that I was against.
445
00:38:49,388 --> 00:38:55,394
You know, to sit in a
room, to tell stories
about what I did,
446
00:38:55,394 --> 00:38:58,481
when I know that I'm not
supposed to be doing that.
447
00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:07,657
When I know that my loved
ones are being in danger,
by everything that I'm,
448
00:39:07,657 --> 00:39:09,784
that I'm narrating.
449
00:39:09,784 --> 00:39:14,622
RUBEN: You are giving up
a lot of your former
friends, cohorts,
450
00:39:14,622 --> 00:39:16,582
who know where
your family lives.
451
00:39:16,582 --> 00:39:21,045
Know where you live and can
really exact retribution.
452
00:39:25,633 --> 00:39:27,593
STEVE: I thought, you
know, how the hell
are we gonna get,
453
00:39:27,593 --> 00:39:34,642
like, across to this guy?
How am I gonna get this
point across?
454
00:39:34,642 --> 00:39:38,521
I've found over the
years that I've been
doing this job,
455
00:39:38,521 --> 00:39:43,150
the greatest success that
you have is to treat
people like people.
456
00:39:43,150 --> 00:39:47,530
OTTO: I could tell he
was a man of his word,
lets put it that way.
457
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:52,535
STEVE: In his mind, his job
was done when the bales of
cocaine arrived in Guatemala,
458
00:39:52,535 --> 00:39:55,121
and they were turned
over to the Mexicans.
459
00:39:55,121 --> 00:39:58,374
And that was the end of
what the Herrera
organization had to do.
460
00:39:58,374 --> 00:40:01,460
Were two guys that are
almost the same age.
461
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:03,713
We both have families,
there's parents,
there's kids,
462
00:40:03,713 --> 00:40:06,257
so I went in the
office and I said,
463
00:40:06,257 --> 00:40:10,594
print me out like 12
pictures of the end
result of crack use.
464
00:40:13,597 --> 00:40:17,393
BILL: Steve, just to
kind of make the point,
465
00:40:17,393 --> 00:40:23,357
he reached into his
briefcase and he presented
some photographs.
466
00:40:23,357 --> 00:40:27,153
STEVE: So, I took the
pictures and I slid
them across the table
467
00:40:27,153 --> 00:40:30,573
as like I was dealing
a deck of cards.
468
00:40:30,573 --> 00:40:34,368
BILL: Addicts, who were
in decrepit condition.
469
00:40:34,368 --> 00:40:37,621
Said, this lady, she's 29.
470
00:40:37,621 --> 00:40:40,624
She looks like
she's 65 or older.
471
00:40:40,624 --> 00:40:46,672
Look at her. Look at
this person. Lets
get serious here.
472
00:40:46,672 --> 00:40:49,300
STEVE: I said, we can
either continue the way
that were continuing,
473
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:52,303
or we can consider
going to a trial.
474
00:40:52,303 --> 00:40:56,724
But in the United
States, this is what
they see as an end game.
475
00:40:56,724 --> 00:40:58,809
This is what they
see on their streets.
476
00:40:58,809 --> 00:41:00,770
BILL: And, whoa.
477
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:01,687
And that did the trick.
478
00:41:05,232 --> 00:41:10,780
OTTO: Yeah, it was a
big impact for me to
see those pictures.
479
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:16,452
To have somebody look
at me, in the eye, and
tell me, you did that.
480
00:41:16,452 --> 00:41:22,750
And it was the first time
that it really hit me hard.
481
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:27,379
So it was, I think,
a turning point.
482
00:41:27,379 --> 00:41:30,216
BILL: I mean, it was
a humbling moment.
483
00:41:30,216 --> 00:41:31,801
A brilliant moment.
484
00:41:46,816 --> 00:41:52,655
STEVE: In the cocaine
trafficking industry,
it is powered by greed,
485
00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:56,283
and It's powered by ego.
486
00:41:56,283 --> 00:42:00,704
People think that they
are untouchable or in
some cases, invisible,
487
00:42:00,704 --> 00:42:01,956
until they get caught.
488
00:42:04,291 --> 00:42:07,795
OTTO: My process
is not over yet.
489
00:42:07,795 --> 00:42:11,048
As part of my sentence, I
have supervised release.
490
00:42:11,048 --> 00:42:14,343
I'm fifty percent
done with it.
491
00:42:14,343 --> 00:42:22,476
It's something that reminds
me every day that, I have
to walk a straight line.
492
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:28,065
BILL: Well let me just
say, I've seen them all,
493
00:42:28,065 --> 00:42:30,609
all of the types of
drug traffickers.
494
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:34,697
I've seen the soulless
ones, which may be kind
of presumptuous
495
00:42:34,697 --> 00:42:39,201
to say someone's soulless,
but by the way they act,
they sure look soulless.
496
00:42:39,201 --> 00:42:41,579
They sure look like
they have no remorse.
497
00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:42,496
Otto has remorse.
498
00:42:45,708 --> 00:42:49,587
STEVE: I've been involved
in this case for 14 years.
499
00:42:49,587 --> 00:42:52,214
I know the agents that were
involved in this case before.
500
00:42:52,214 --> 00:42:56,343
We have never been
able to substantiate
any act of violence
501
00:42:56,343 --> 00:42:59,346
that's attributed
to Otto Herrera.
502
00:42:59,346 --> 00:43:02,975
OTTO: I think because of the
way that I carried myself,
503
00:43:02,975 --> 00:43:08,564
ahh, that kept me most of
the time away from
all those events.
504
00:43:10,858 --> 00:43:15,446
I would never recommend
anyone to follow up on
my footsteps.
505
00:43:15,446 --> 00:43:18,741
It's just not gonna
bring them any good.
506
00:43:20,117 --> 00:43:24,747
The pressure and all
the stress, everything, the
responsibility takes over you,
507
00:43:24,747 --> 00:43:27,625
and the fact that you
know you're doing
something illegal.
508
00:43:27,625 --> 00:43:29,668
So you change as a person,
509
00:43:29,668 --> 00:43:33,005
and you forget what's
important in life.
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