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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,729 --> 00:00:01,982 NEWSREADER: The hunt for Pablo Escobar, 2 00:00:01,982 --> 00:00:03,525 the Colombian drug lord, ended today. 3 00:00:13,035 --> 00:00:18,624 PETER: The Sinaloa Cartel, under the leadership of El Chapo Guzman, 4 00:00:18,624 --> 00:00:23,045 rose to become the wealthiest, most powerful cartel in the world. 5 00:00:23,045 --> 00:00:27,507 BONNY: Chapo was an evil person, and I don't use that word lightly. 6 00:00:27,507 --> 00:00:30,010 DEREK: We're talking multi billions of dollars. 7 00:00:30,010 --> 00:00:32,971 We're talking about violence that's worse than Afghanistan and Iraq. 8 00:00:53,533 --> 00:00:56,828 RUBEN: A good 80 percent of the cocaine that finally gets to the United States 9 00:00:56,828 --> 00:00:59,247 is probably going through Guatemala. 10 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:04,336 PETER: Guatemala became a critical geographic 11 00:01:04,336 --> 00:01:07,964 and operational area in the global narco trafficking industry. 12 00:01:13,053 --> 00:01:16,264 PETER: Otto Herrera was the player in Central America. 13 00:01:17,182 --> 00:01:21,228 He was the largest, wealthiest, most powerful Guatemalan trafficker. 14 00:01:21,228 --> 00:01:25,482 STEVE: The Herrera organization moved in excess of 50 tons of cocaine 15 00:01:25,482 --> 00:01:28,318 into Central America on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel. 16 00:01:36,535 --> 00:01:39,621 OTTO: I never envisioned how big this was going to get. 17 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:45,210 The logistics, the loads, the storage, the whole entire Guatemalan operation 18 00:01:45,210 --> 00:01:47,546 was being run by me. 19 00:02:00,183 --> 00:02:06,648 OTTO: My name is Otto Herrera. I was born in Guatemala. 20 00:02:06,648 --> 00:02:09,109 STEVE: My name is Steven Fraga. 21 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:12,904 I'm a Special Agent of the United States Drug Enforcement Administration. 22 00:02:14,865 --> 00:02:20,078 OTTO: My father used to work for an American company down in Guatemala so, 23 00:02:20,078 --> 00:02:25,751 we had the chance to attend American school. 24 00:02:25,751 --> 00:02:30,922 I did my high school in the United States, in Riverside, California. 25 00:02:30,922 --> 00:02:35,135 After school I had, you know, a couple of jobs here in the United States 26 00:02:35,135 --> 00:02:38,013 and I worked construction. 27 00:02:38,013 --> 00:02:42,350 Did a lot of work for oil companies, building gas stations. 28 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:47,647 STEVE: When he was in California, he married an American woman. 29 00:02:47,647 --> 00:02:51,610 When he returned to Guatemala, he had a wife and a young family, 30 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:55,697 so he was looking for work. 31 00:02:55,697 --> 00:03:00,786 OTTO: I returned to Guatemala with my wife and my first daughter, and, 32 00:03:00,786 --> 00:03:05,874 as I come back to my hometown, I meet with old friends, 33 00:03:05,874 --> 00:03:09,836 and I started, I started a new business with them. 34 00:03:09,836 --> 00:03:12,714 A trucking company. 35 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:15,842 I'm making a living, but it's not enough. 36 00:03:17,928 --> 00:03:22,265 We were aware that there were airplanes landing in the area, 37 00:03:22,265 --> 00:03:27,270 from Colombia and they were bringing cocaine into the area. 38 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,484 The reason that we knew this, because a few months earlier, 39 00:03:32,484 --> 00:03:37,280 there was a plane crash close by. 40 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,909 An airplane crashed with a full load of cocaine 41 00:03:40,909 --> 00:03:42,327 and cocaine was spread out all over the fields. 42 00:03:44,871 --> 00:03:48,750 STEVE: Because of where Guatemala sits in Central America, 43 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:54,172 it is an ideal location geographically, as a landing point for cocaine shipments 44 00:03:54,172 --> 00:03:56,841 from Colombia that were transferred by plane. 45 00:03:59,970 --> 00:04:05,392 OTTO: One of my friends, we always, spoke about 46 00:04:05,392 --> 00:04:08,895 how well his brother was doing, you know? 47 00:04:08,895 --> 00:04:11,815 Making real money and how little did we see him work. 48 00:04:14,526 --> 00:04:17,904 We had our yard where we parked all our equipment, 49 00:04:17,904 --> 00:04:20,824 and I noticed that his brother had a box truck 50 00:04:20,824 --> 00:04:23,577 parked at the yard that hardly ever moved. 51 00:04:23,577 --> 00:04:27,956 So, I opened up the box truck. 52 00:04:27,956 --> 00:04:32,294 What I found was lights and generators, and radio equipment 53 00:04:32,294 --> 00:04:34,045 to land airplanes during the night. 54 00:04:39,134 --> 00:04:43,179 So we came up with an idea. 55 00:04:43,179 --> 00:04:47,934 We blocked the fuel line so the truck wouldn't start. 56 00:04:47,934 --> 00:04:52,814 And sure enough, about two, three weeks later, I got the call from him and told me 57 00:04:52,814 --> 00:04:55,942 that he needed help because he wanted to move the truck. 58 00:04:55,942 --> 00:04:59,404 So we told him that we wouldn't fix the truck unless he told us 59 00:04:59,404 --> 00:05:02,866 what he was doing and, you know, he came clean. 60 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:16,963 For me at first, it was like the opportunity of making real money. 61 00:05:16,963 --> 00:05:23,428 I could assume that it was going to be risky, so it had to be good pay. 62 00:05:23,428 --> 00:05:28,934 STEVE: Otto Herrera saw an opportunity and provided valuable assistance 63 00:05:28,934 --> 00:05:31,770 to that organization. 64 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:35,774 OTTO: I knew what I was getting into. 65 00:05:35,774 --> 00:05:39,945 I knew there was a big responsibility. 66 00:05:39,945 --> 00:05:42,739 There was the fear of failure more than anything else. 67 00:05:46,826 --> 00:05:50,413 STEVE: Herrera maintained a couple of skill sets that were unique 68 00:05:50,413 --> 00:05:55,251 that could be used within the drug trafficking arena. 69 00:05:55,251 --> 00:06:00,006 OTTO: I grew up in a banana plantation, watching the crop dusters work every day. 70 00:06:01,758 --> 00:06:06,763 So that was my dream, to become a crop duster and that's why, you know, 71 00:06:06,763 --> 00:06:10,100 I took the lessons and, I was never able to finish. 72 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:11,851 But the knowledge is there, you know. 73 00:06:14,104 --> 00:06:17,857 STEVE: He knew how to fly planes, he knew how to assess properties 74 00:06:17,857 --> 00:06:22,237 that could be utilized as airfields. 75 00:06:22,237 --> 00:06:25,865 OTTO: I was very handy with GPSs and all the navigation equipment 76 00:06:25,865 --> 00:06:30,412 so I was being sent out to get coordinates from these airfields 77 00:06:30,412 --> 00:06:34,791 and trying to help with the logistics of the jobs. 78 00:06:34,791 --> 00:06:40,755 I was just thinking about getting ahead, making money and trying to, 79 00:06:40,755 --> 00:06:44,259 provide my family with a better life. 80 00:06:45,135 --> 00:06:48,346 I never envisioned how big this was going to get. 81 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:50,765 I never did. 82 00:06:59,941 --> 00:07:03,987 The operation was centralized in Guatemala because 83 00:07:03,987 --> 00:07:07,532 of the geographical position. 84 00:07:07,532 --> 00:07:10,994 From that area, you can access the Mexican borders very quick. 85 00:07:24,799 --> 00:07:32,474 OTTO: The shipments came into Guatemala, and it was our responsibility 86 00:07:32,474 --> 00:07:36,311 to help these aircraft land. 87 00:07:36,311 --> 00:07:43,234 And after that, we needed to safeguard and store the cocaine till the Mexicans 88 00:07:43,234 --> 00:07:47,197 were ready to transport, this cocaine into Mexico. 89 00:07:48,448 --> 00:07:50,033 RUBEN: To call them airstrips is an insult to airstrips, 90 00:07:50,033 --> 00:07:54,120 but these are basically small roads in the grass that they make, 91 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,039 where they have the small planes land with cocaine. 92 00:08:09,219 --> 00:08:13,389 STEVE: The first representative of the Sinaloa Cartel that Otto Herrera 93 00:08:13,389 --> 00:08:15,767 established a working relationship with, 94 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:18,978 was an individual known as Chuy. 95 00:08:21,856 --> 00:08:24,067 His true name was Jesus Soto. 96 00:08:27,111 --> 00:08:30,323 OTTO: Chuy played a very important role in the Sinaloa Cartel. 97 00:08:30,323 --> 00:08:33,409 He was pretty much in charge of Guatemala 98 00:08:33,409 --> 00:08:35,787 and the rest of the countries in Central America. 99 00:08:36,955 --> 00:08:39,999 Everything I learned about trafficking, about drug trafficking, 100 00:08:39,999 --> 00:08:41,543 I learned from Chuy. 101 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:47,632 The way to approach people, the way to negotiate deals. 102 00:08:47,632 --> 00:08:52,095 Most important was to learn what the people in Sinaloa liked. 103 00:08:52,095 --> 00:08:56,057 To be loyal to them and to work strictly for them. 104 00:09:08,945 --> 00:09:12,240 Mayo Zambada, I was very close to Mayo Zambada. 105 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,534 I visit Mayo several times. 106 00:09:15,952 --> 00:09:19,747 The first person that introduced me to Mayo Zambada was Chuy. 107 00:09:22,292 --> 00:09:25,879 I did spend a lot of time with Chuy. 108 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:30,300 I drove him around all over the country, scouting places, 109 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:33,636 meeting people and I got to know him quite well. 110 00:09:34,304 --> 00:09:37,307 Our relationship grew closer. 111 00:09:37,307 --> 00:09:41,644 At the same time, there was a lot of rumors being spread about Guatemalans 112 00:09:41,644 --> 00:09:48,985 I was working for, in relation with shipments getting stolen. 113 00:09:48,985 --> 00:09:51,112 Portions of shipments and full shipments. 114 00:09:52,947 --> 00:09:57,869 This is a subject that me and Chuy used to talk about. 115 00:10:07,212 --> 00:10:12,217 I was instructed to take the shipment over to the border. 116 00:10:12,217 --> 00:10:17,055 The plan was for the shipment to disappear on the way to the Mexican border. 117 00:10:18,306 --> 00:10:24,187 I did fear for my life, cause I had a feeling that, with that shipment, 118 00:10:24,187 --> 00:10:26,272 I was gonna disappear too. 119 00:10:26,272 --> 00:10:28,524 They knew about my relationship with Chuy already. 120 00:10:28,524 --> 00:10:30,735 They knew I was very close to him. 121 00:10:30,735 --> 00:10:34,364 So I figured that if the load disappeared, I would disappear too. 122 00:10:38,117 --> 00:10:43,164 I got a hold of Chuy and told him what I was gonna do. 123 00:10:43,164 --> 00:10:48,169 I switched the drugs to a different truck, and I took off. 124 00:10:48,169 --> 00:10:49,254 I took off without telling anybody. 125 00:10:59,764 --> 00:11:05,645 And I got to the rendezvous spot, okay, and turned in the merchandise. 126 00:11:12,694 --> 00:11:18,241 OTTO: Chuy brought me in and told me, from here on, you will be my employee. 127 00:11:18,241 --> 00:11:21,244 You have nothing to do with them anymore. 128 00:11:21,244 --> 00:11:24,539 I knew they were not gonna be happy. 129 00:11:24,539 --> 00:11:31,337 The transition was kinda hard and, it was just another matter of laying low. 130 00:11:35,758 --> 00:11:43,016 As time went by, more responsibility was laid on me and I became that link 131 00:11:43,016 --> 00:11:46,602 in between the Colombians and the Sinaloa Cartel. 132 00:11:47,770 --> 00:11:52,775 STEVE: Chuy, on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel, recognized Otto Herrera's discipline, 133 00:11:52,775 --> 00:11:58,114 communication, attention to detail, business sense, 134 00:11:58,114 --> 00:12:01,993 the fact that Otto Herrera was a person that did desire attention. 135 00:12:04,412 --> 00:12:07,915 OTTO: I kept a very low profile around my family. 136 00:12:07,915 --> 00:12:12,754 It was a secret to my wife, what was going on. 137 00:12:12,754 --> 00:12:19,344 If you were going to work for me, you had to you had to be straight. 138 00:12:19,344 --> 00:12:23,389 I didn't allow anybody to use drugs, because I didn't use. 139 00:12:25,850 --> 00:12:29,062 It's a different story with the Mexicans. 140 00:12:29,062 --> 00:12:32,732 I think It's part of their Narco culture. 141 00:12:32,732 --> 00:12:39,405 Chuy always struggled with drug addiction, a heavy drug addiction. 142 00:12:41,199 --> 00:12:46,245 And I tried to stay away from him when he was in his rampages, 143 00:12:46,245 --> 00:12:48,456 because he was a totally different person. 144 00:12:48,456 --> 00:12:50,333 He got very violent. 145 00:12:53,586 --> 00:12:59,092 Chuy, at a social event in Mexico, 146 00:12:59,092 --> 00:13:02,637 he started drinking and he started doing drugs at the event 147 00:13:02,637 --> 00:13:06,015 and, first thing he did was go after a gun. 148 00:13:07,725 --> 00:13:11,312 And by mistake he shot a family member. 149 00:13:18,277 --> 00:13:19,654 It was a tragedy. 150 00:13:19,654 --> 00:13:20,696 He never got over that. 151 00:13:23,366 --> 00:13:26,369 I think his drug use increased after that. 152 00:13:26,369 --> 00:13:27,703 And from there it was downhill. 153 00:13:34,252 --> 00:13:40,716 After a year or a little longer after a year, he came to me and said, Otto, 154 00:13:40,716 --> 00:13:42,677 you can run this yourself. 155 00:13:44,595 --> 00:13:47,140 STEVE: Herrera ultimately became his own 156 00:13:47,140 --> 00:13:50,476 drug trafficking organization within Guatemala. 157 00:13:50,476 --> 00:13:54,730 The Herrera organization moved in excess of fifty tons of cocaine 158 00:13:54,730 --> 00:13:58,568 into Central America on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel. 159 00:13:58,568 --> 00:14:03,447 I don't think Otto Herrera ever considered that he would be arrested. 160 00:14:15,876 --> 00:14:19,130 OTTO: What we have here is a Piper Aztec. 161 00:14:19,130 --> 00:14:24,135 This particular aircraft was used many, many, many times 162 00:14:24,135 --> 00:14:28,848 to smuggle drugs from Colombia into Central America. 163 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:41,318 OTTO: In order to get this done with this aircraft, 164 00:14:41,318 --> 00:14:45,072 you have to do a lot of a lot of custom work on it. 165 00:14:45,906 --> 00:14:50,661 The main idea is to create enough space to put our load in it. 166 00:14:50,661 --> 00:14:53,497 Anything from 700 to 900 kilos. 167 00:14:53,497 --> 00:14:56,125 It's about 16 to 1800 pounds. 168 00:14:57,710 --> 00:15:01,255 The wiring of these aircraft is very heavy, believe it or not. 169 00:15:01,255 --> 00:15:05,843 So a lot of the wiring is stripped out. 170 00:15:05,843 --> 00:15:10,806 The transponder is used when the plane has an accident, so It's stripped out of it too. 171 00:15:10,806 --> 00:15:13,267 One of the most important things that came out was the radio system, 172 00:15:13,267 --> 00:15:15,019 which is very heavy. 173 00:15:15,019 --> 00:15:18,564 Most of the seats go, all the upholstery goes. 174 00:15:18,564 --> 00:15:22,484 This seat right here was always removed, 175 00:15:22,484 --> 00:15:27,239 and it was replaced with an extra fuel container. 176 00:15:27,239 --> 00:15:31,827 So as you remove equipment, that makes the aircraft lighter 177 00:15:31,827 --> 00:15:34,663 which increases the payload on it. 178 00:15:35,623 --> 00:15:38,876 When the custom work was done, that would put it up to, you know, 179 00:15:38,876 --> 00:15:41,670 close to 6 million dollar loads when it was at full capacity. 180 00:15:44,465 --> 00:15:46,217 STEVE: It's an incredible amount of money. 181 00:15:46,217 --> 00:15:50,846 At the same time, there's a very, very significant cost 182 00:15:50,846 --> 00:15:54,808 to manage these transportation infrastructures. 183 00:15:54,808 --> 00:16:00,940 For instance, a singleā€engine aircraft may be upwards of one or two million dollars. 184 00:16:00,940 --> 00:16:05,110 It includes the payment to pilots to fly the airplanes, 185 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:07,655 people who load the aircraft with the cocaine. 186 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:11,158 The air traffic controllers, police or military in corrupt countries 187 00:16:11,158 --> 00:16:14,912 to allow aircraft to safely exit countries. 188 00:16:14,912 --> 00:16:17,373 There's a very, very significant amount 189 00:16:17,373 --> 00:16:21,168 of money that's paid into the operation. 190 00:16:29,677 --> 00:16:35,724 OTTO: The Mayan Landing System, It's just a nickname we gave to a procedure that, 191 00:16:35,724 --> 00:16:39,561 we came up with to operate during the night, 192 00:16:39,561 --> 00:16:45,317 and basically, do manually what an instrument landing system does. 193 00:16:45,317 --> 00:16:50,906 The idea was to minimize the risk of losing a load, so, 194 00:16:50,906 --> 00:16:54,159 night operation was very important. 195 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:58,664 You know, we came up with a system that would help the pilots find the airfields 196 00:16:58,664 --> 00:17:01,959 very easy, and land very easy. 197 00:17:06,213 --> 00:17:11,677 We would take an aircraft and we would fly the last part of the route, 198 00:17:11,677 --> 00:17:15,931 and we would record every single part of the route. 199 00:17:15,931 --> 00:17:18,809 We would take elevation, speed coordinate. 200 00:17:18,809 --> 00:17:20,936 We would trace the final approach. 201 00:17:20,936 --> 00:17:25,482 We would give them all the information of the speed they needed to take, 202 00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:29,486 and this facilitated the landing during the night. 203 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:41,874 The main idea is to fly into international waters as quick as possible, 204 00:17:41,874 --> 00:17:44,752 and the route takes you through the Caribbean 205 00:17:44,752 --> 00:17:48,172 and into the Caribbean shores of Guatemala. 206 00:17:50,507 --> 00:17:55,095 The main idea is for the receiving end to have a clandestine airfield, 207 00:17:55,095 --> 00:17:59,558 the closest to the ocean as possible. 208 00:17:59,558 --> 00:18:04,813 STEVE: The flights would enter Central America during the hours of darkness, 209 00:18:04,813 --> 00:18:08,734 early morning, one, two, three o'clock in the morning. 210 00:18:08,734 --> 00:18:13,572 OTTO: As they do their final approach, everything is done in the dark. 211 00:18:13,572 --> 00:18:18,911 Last two or three minutes of the final approach are the most crucial. 212 00:18:18,911 --> 00:18:22,748 That's when they'll ask to have the lights on the airfield turned on. 213 00:18:22,748 --> 00:18:25,959 They'll be turned on, and as they land, as soon as they touch ground, 214 00:18:25,959 --> 00:18:27,836 those lights are out. 215 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,842 OTTO: Yeah, very dangerous stuff. 216 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:43,602 These operations are not for, for normal pilots. 217 00:18:43,602 --> 00:18:46,980 It's a special breed of pilot that can do this type of operations. 218 00:18:52,778 --> 00:18:54,863 We had casualties. 219 00:18:56,782 --> 00:18:59,827 Sometimes, you know, at the beginning when we first started, 220 00:18:59,827 --> 00:19:01,829 the planes were overloaded. 221 00:19:01,829 --> 00:19:07,167 We did not know enough to know that the plane could not take the weight. 222 00:19:07,167 --> 00:19:12,631 Sometimes the runway was too short, or you simply just had a pilot that didn't have 223 00:19:12,631 --> 00:19:18,011 the experience and, malfunctions in the engines, especially on piston engines, 224 00:19:18,011 --> 00:19:20,639 it was very common, that an engine would fail. 225 00:19:20,639 --> 00:19:24,935 And once one of these engines failed and you have that type of load on it, 226 00:19:24,935 --> 00:19:29,148 It's very hard for a flight, you know, to continue. 227 00:19:31,191 --> 00:19:33,944 I did lose a friend. 228 00:19:33,944 --> 00:19:38,073 Ah, the person just misread his instruments 229 00:19:38,073 --> 00:19:41,785 and crashed against a mountain coming out of Colombia. 230 00:19:44,413 --> 00:19:48,709 You can't do nothing about it but wait for the authorities 231 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:52,087 to come and rescue whoever is alive and, you know, 232 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:56,008 recover the load and that's how you find out, through the news. 233 00:20:09,229 --> 00:20:10,939 STEVE: It was common within these organizations 234 00:20:10,939 --> 00:20:15,444 to use planes for oneā€time occurrences. 235 00:20:15,444 --> 00:20:18,989 They would use bulldozers to dig massive holes. 236 00:20:18,989 --> 00:20:22,242 The planes would be buried at landing strip sites, 237 00:20:22,242 --> 00:20:25,746 and simply turned inti aircraft graveyards. 238 00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:40,886 OTTO: We were running an air operation and a fast boat operation at the same time. 239 00:20:40,886 --> 00:20:43,222 We had two fronts going full bore. 240 00:20:43,222 --> 00:20:49,269 There was airplanes landing in my area every other day. 241 00:20:49,269 --> 00:20:58,862 I would say in a good month, you can say, anything from 8 to 10,000 kilos. 242 00:20:58,862 --> 00:21:04,159 At that time, the price of one kilo in Guatemala was $6,000. 243 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:07,079 So if you do the math, that is quite a bit of money. 244 00:21:18,089 --> 00:21:23,803 So Chuy told me how he feels that I can run the whole entire Guatemalan operation. 245 00:21:23,803 --> 00:21:25,471 There's going to be a difference. 246 00:21:25,471 --> 00:21:28,558 You can have a percentage on every load that comes. 247 00:21:28,558 --> 00:21:32,478 I will not pay you a salary like I've been paying. 248 00:21:32,478 --> 00:21:38,568 From here on, you know, 10 percent of everything, every load we get into, you know, 249 00:21:38,568 --> 00:21:42,280 into Guatemala and that you handle is gonna be yours. 250 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:49,787 STEVE: It's typical in the drug trafficking trade for people to be paid in cocaine. 251 00:21:49,787 --> 00:21:54,667 OTTO: If I have a shipment coming in from Colombia with a thousand kilos, 252 00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,962 that means that a hundred kilos are mine. 253 00:21:57,962 --> 00:22:00,381 And that I can do with that, you know, whatever I want. 254 00:22:07,597 --> 00:22:14,437 I think at the time I still believed that, I'd done things the right way and I was, 255 00:22:14,437 --> 00:22:17,315 invisible, that nobody knew about me. 256 00:22:20,318 --> 00:22:22,987 I think I was not being careful enough. 257 00:22:22,987 --> 00:22:29,285 You know, after a while you do this so often that for you it becomes just, you know, 258 00:22:29,285 --> 00:22:34,832 another day at the office, and you start doing things a little bit more careless. 259 00:22:44,175 --> 00:22:51,015 As the operation grew, I started taking, more precautions. 260 00:22:51,015 --> 00:22:54,977 I knew that, the responsibility lay on me, 261 00:22:54,977 --> 00:22:57,647 so I'll take better care of myself. 262 00:22:57,647 --> 00:23:04,403 From there on, I really screened every single person that I had contact with, 263 00:23:04,403 --> 00:23:07,657 and that was my safety mechanism. 264 00:23:18,125 --> 00:23:22,630 OTTO: As the shipments escalate, the cash flow gets bigger. 265 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:26,717 I had a safehouse in Guatemala, in Zone 14. 266 00:23:26,717 --> 00:23:30,471 A house that was used to store money. 267 00:23:30,471 --> 00:23:35,977 In a given time, we had 30, 40 million dollars, you know, stored in that house. 268 00:23:35,977 --> 00:23:37,937 A lot of the money was not ours. 269 00:23:37,937 --> 00:23:41,816 It belonged to different people and different organizations. 270 00:23:41,816 --> 00:23:47,238 STEVE: In early 2003, there was a location identified in Guatemala City that was being 271 00:23:47,238 --> 00:23:51,951 used by Otto Herrera and his organization to store money. 272 00:23:53,953 --> 00:23:57,081 OTTO: Somehow, they found the house. 273 00:23:57,081 --> 00:24:04,380 They raided the house and they confiscated, a little bit over 14 million dollars. 274 00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:10,094 That's what they claimed that was confiscated. 275 00:24:14,056 --> 00:24:17,351 At that moment, it was an eye opener. 276 00:24:17,351 --> 00:24:20,438 A lot of things hit me. 277 00:24:20,438 --> 00:24:23,024 After the money was confiscated in Guatemala, 278 00:24:23,024 --> 00:24:27,236 you know all chances of being invisible, you know, were gone. 279 00:24:44,712 --> 00:24:47,506 STEVE: Right after that seizure agents in Guatemala, 280 00:24:47,506 --> 00:24:53,179 paid a visit to Otto Herreras wife, and made it very clear to her, 281 00:24:53,179 --> 00:24:55,598 that he should make contact with the Drug Enforcement 282 00:24:55,598 --> 00:24:57,558 Administration, with the DEA. 283 00:24:59,018 --> 00:25:04,774 OTTO: DEA agents approached my wife, and told her that, 284 00:25:04,774 --> 00:25:08,402 they had a lot of interest on me. 285 00:25:08,402 --> 00:25:11,072 You know, your husband is involved in drug trafficking. 286 00:25:11,072 --> 00:25:12,907 This is what he's doing. 287 00:25:12,907 --> 00:25:17,036 If he doesn't talk to us, you know, he was going to run into problems. 288 00:25:17,036 --> 00:25:22,625 At this moment, we just want to talk to him and see, you know, how we could help. 289 00:25:25,169 --> 00:25:27,630 I think that was an eye opener for her. 290 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:34,470 It was the first time that it was confirmed to her that I was doing, something illegal. 291 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:39,266 This is when we first started parting out, you know. 292 00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:46,440 She really felt that I was not being honest, I think. 293 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,237 She could feel that I would continue to do what I was doing. 294 00:25:51,237 --> 00:25:55,366 And she didn't want to have anything to do with me at that point. 295 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:04,458 I know I had attracted attention to myself so for me it was to, 296 00:26:04,458 --> 00:26:07,670 the best thing to do was to go into hiding, lay low, 297 00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:14,093 and try to, not be involved in it as directly as I was being involved. 298 00:26:16,971 --> 00:26:19,974 JEREMY: Once a trafficker's been identified, 299 00:26:19,974 --> 00:26:26,188 his or her shelf life, in full operational mode got shorter and shorter and shorter. 300 00:26:33,946 --> 00:26:39,952 OTTO: Late 2006, I have a visit from another Sinaloa Cartel member, 301 00:26:39,952 --> 00:26:40,786 and he tells me this story. 302 00:26:42,663 --> 00:26:43,956 They found Chuy in his car. 303 00:26:48,127 --> 00:26:51,213 Chuy got killed. 304 00:26:51,213 --> 00:26:54,800 He gets killed in Culiacan, Sinaloa. 305 00:26:57,303 --> 00:27:02,933 I think it had to do with his craziness, I think it had to do with all his drinking. 306 00:27:02,933 --> 00:27:07,063 I think that he disrespected a lot of people while he was that way, 307 00:27:07,063 --> 00:27:11,358 while he was drunk and stuff and I got a feeling that they just, 308 00:27:11,358 --> 00:27:13,986 it was decided to just, you know, get rid of him. 309 00:27:28,793 --> 00:27:35,966 STEVE: He gets adopted by the Sinaloa Cartel, and he's detailed to Colombia. 310 00:27:35,966 --> 00:27:41,931 He was detailed to work an individual named Pacho Cifuentes. 311 00:27:41,931 --> 00:27:46,143 OTTO: Pacho Cifuentes is the person that is in charge of shipping all this, 312 00:27:46,143 --> 00:27:48,729 cocaine to the Mexicans. 313 00:27:48,729 --> 00:27:50,940 Shipments that have been delayed. 314 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:56,362 So I get instructed to go to Colombia, to find a way, 315 00:27:56,362 --> 00:27:59,240 to continue to do business with Pacho, 316 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,701 in a way that he can be a little bit more diligent. 317 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:09,667 JEREMY: Francisco Cifuentes Villa, better known as Pacho Cifuentes, 318 00:28:09,667 --> 00:28:13,671 was a pilot for Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartel. 319 00:28:13,671 --> 00:28:17,883 After Pablo Escobar's death he goes into business for himself, 320 00:28:17,883 --> 00:28:22,221 and he sets up an extremely prolific and lucrative route, 321 00:28:22,221 --> 00:28:25,641 via Central America, particularly Guatemala. 322 00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:34,817 OTTO: We met for a couple of days and it started a new era of business with him. 323 00:28:34,817 --> 00:28:37,653 STEVE: Pacho Cifuentes was another person that recognized 324 00:28:37,653 --> 00:28:44,076 the skill sets of Otto Herrera, in the sense that it made the organization 325 00:28:44,076 --> 00:28:46,871 from the South America side more efficient. 326 00:28:49,707 --> 00:28:51,709 OTTO: We shared an office together. 327 00:28:51,709 --> 00:28:55,713 This huge complex, in the middle of Medellin, 328 00:28:55,713 --> 00:28:59,925 and everybody knew that if you wanted to broker a load out of Colombia, 329 00:28:59,925 --> 00:29:01,677 that's the place to go. 330 00:29:02,803 --> 00:29:05,097 Pacho was very good at what he did. 331 00:29:05,097 --> 00:29:10,936 At that time, I think there was not a better person to ship drugs out of Colombia. 332 00:29:10,936 --> 00:29:16,317 Pacho had a network of pilots, traffic controllers, authorities, 333 00:29:16,317 --> 00:29:21,864 that gave him a very, very high percentage, of positive loads. 334 00:29:21,864 --> 00:29:25,034 You know, of success. 335 00:29:26,911 --> 00:29:30,205 Pacho was a very easy going person. 336 00:29:30,205 --> 00:29:33,042 Hardly ever raised his voice. 337 00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:36,837 And I still believe that he was kind of naĆÆve. 338 00:29:36,837 --> 00:29:41,967 He really thought that he was untouchable. 339 00:29:41,967 --> 00:29:43,886 He really thought that nobody was going to harm him. 340 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,391 He drove around on his own, everywhere. 341 00:29:49,391 --> 00:29:50,935 Pacho didn't have a bodyguard. 342 00:29:50,935 --> 00:29:54,480 Pacho didn't drive in a bulletproof car so, 343 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,067 I think he just ah, miscalculated things. 344 00:30:01,278 --> 00:30:03,489 JEREMY: Pacho Cifuentes is assassinated. 345 00:30:06,825 --> 00:30:10,621 This killing creates serious shockwaves, 346 00:30:10,621 --> 00:30:12,581 in the Medellin underworld. 347 00:30:21,382 --> 00:30:32,685 OTTO: Ah. Pacho was a good friend. I did, really feel unprotected, 348 00:30:32,685 --> 00:30:37,898 because I could move around as freely as he could, because of his shade. 349 00:30:38,941 --> 00:30:41,902 So what's going to happen to me now? 350 00:30:43,779 --> 00:30:45,739 There was a certain fear. 351 00:30:52,913 --> 00:30:55,958 STEVE: At any given time in the drug trafficking industry, 352 00:30:55,958 --> 00:30:59,461 there are invisibles that are out there. 353 00:30:59,461 --> 00:31:02,923 The question becomes how long do they stay invisible? 354 00:31:07,845 --> 00:31:12,433 I was assigned in 2005 to a unit of the Drug Enforcement Administration 355 00:31:12,433 --> 00:31:15,185 called the Bilateral Investigations Unit. 356 00:31:15,185 --> 00:31:20,816 When I arrived to that unit, Otto Herrera was one of the case file titles. 357 00:31:20,816 --> 00:31:24,486 A very wanted subject by the Drug Enforcement Administration 358 00:31:24,486 --> 00:31:25,904 and the US Government. 359 00:31:26,822 --> 00:31:29,950 We were not positive of what his whereabouts were. 360 00:31:29,950 --> 00:31:35,080 There was rumor that he was in Mexico. 361 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,712 My sense at that time that he was in hiding somewhere in remote locations in Guatemala. 362 00:31:41,712 --> 00:31:44,381 We just weren't positive actually where he was. 363 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:05,109 I received a phone call from some of the DEA agents in Miami, 364 00:32:05,109 --> 00:32:09,781 where they told me that during the course of their operation, 365 00:32:09,781 --> 00:32:16,788 they had identified someone in Bogota that was using the name ToƱo. 366 00:32:16,788 --> 00:32:21,793 But all indications was that this individual was actually Otto Herrera. 367 00:32:23,294 --> 00:32:24,879 It was actually quite a surprise to us. 368 00:32:24,879 --> 00:32:26,798 We had no idea that he was there. 369 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,843 PETER: We couldn't quite figure out why he thought it would be safe, 370 00:32:30,843 --> 00:32:35,556 to effectively hide out in Colombia, given the large number of Colombian 371 00:32:35,556 --> 00:32:39,727 and US resources dedicated towards, combating Narco trafficking. 372 00:32:42,814 --> 00:32:47,819 OTTO: You know the Pacho event had just happened, and I'm trying to lay low. 373 00:32:47,819 --> 00:32:54,367 I did try to keep myself invisible for a while, and I was very low key. 374 00:32:54,367 --> 00:33:02,583 I've never been a flashy type. I always lived a, a humble life. 375 00:33:02,583 --> 00:33:06,713 I think that kept me invisible for a while. 376 00:33:22,270 --> 00:33:28,026 OTTO: Out of nowhere, you know these, I could only see three officers, 377 00:33:28,026 --> 00:33:30,236 a lady and two guys. 378 00:33:30,236 --> 00:33:34,907 They put me not in a police car, just in a normal car. 379 00:33:34,907 --> 00:33:37,618 And they start driving through Bogota. 380 00:33:42,623 --> 00:33:45,418 I truly thought that I was going to get killed. 381 00:33:52,967 --> 00:33:56,054 STEVE: Otto Herrera was arrested in Colombia. 382 00:33:56,054 --> 00:34:00,308 The DEA Miami Field Division took the lead with working with the Colombian police, 383 00:34:00,308 --> 00:34:06,189 in confirming that this individual named ToƱo was in fact Otto Herrera. 384 00:34:06,189 --> 00:34:10,026 STEVE: And it ultimately resulted in him being arrested on the street 385 00:34:10,026 --> 00:34:12,028 in a vehicle car stop in Colombia. 386 00:34:13,112 --> 00:34:15,990 OTTO: I knew that I had been, you know, laundering money. 387 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:18,868 I knew I'd been trafficking drugs. 388 00:34:18,868 --> 00:34:21,871 I knew that this was going to catch up with me sooner or later. 389 00:34:21,871 --> 00:34:24,332 And basically, that's what happened. 390 00:34:32,715 --> 00:34:36,135 BILL: My name is Bill Clay. Cā€lā€aā€y. 391 00:34:36,135 --> 00:34:37,804 I'm a criminal defense lawyer. 392 00:34:37,804 --> 00:34:43,059 My caseload tends to be, complex Federal criminal cases involving 393 00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:45,853 drug trafficking, drug transportation, money laundering. 394 00:34:47,271 --> 00:34:50,942 So when I saw Otto got arrested, told my receptionist, 395 00:34:50,942 --> 00:34:53,486 be on the lookout for a mystery call, 396 00:34:53,486 --> 00:34:56,906 I call it, cause sometimes people call me, they don't identify who they are. 397 00:34:56,906 --> 00:35:03,454 So sure enough, within two hours he called me and says, hey, do you know who this is? 398 00:35:03,454 --> 00:35:07,208 And I said, you're Otto. So when he said, when can you come down? 399 00:35:07,208 --> 00:35:10,044 I said, I'll get on a plane tomorrow. 400 00:35:13,714 --> 00:35:15,925 OTTO: For me, CĆ³mbita was an eye opener. 401 00:35:20,012 --> 00:35:24,225 BILL: High security at CĆ³mbita. And when I got in there, 402 00:35:24,225 --> 00:35:29,188 Otto got brought out to an area which is, not an interview room. 403 00:35:29,188 --> 00:35:34,235 No privacy. Then something very interesting happened. 404 00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:40,408 A young prison guard, maybe looked like 18ā€yearā€old kid to me, comes up, 405 00:35:40,408 --> 00:35:45,079 he leans in and he says, he's on the wrong side. 406 00:35:46,164 --> 00:35:50,209 The guard literally turned white as a sheet, and he said, he's not safe. 407 00:35:50,209 --> 00:35:52,336 It's not safe for me to say anything anymore. 408 00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:57,049 OTTO: Ah. They had put a price on my head. 409 00:36:04,182 --> 00:36:12,815 I guess it was people that, had a lot of fear that I'd gone to the States, 410 00:36:12,815 --> 00:36:14,984 and tell the story. 411 00:36:16,736 --> 00:36:20,656 So they wanted to make sure that didn't happen. 412 00:36:23,493 --> 00:36:26,078 BILL: You can be killed in any place in any prison, 413 00:36:26,078 --> 00:36:28,372 probably anywhere in the world, 414 00:36:28,372 --> 00:36:32,919 but you're a higher risk in Colombia than you would be in a US prison. 415 00:36:32,919 --> 00:36:39,217 And at that point in time, I think the risk was very high for Otto. 416 00:36:41,636 --> 00:36:44,138 OTTO: Bill approached the right people so 417 00:36:44,138 --> 00:36:48,392 I could be in a safer area in the prison. 418 00:36:48,392 --> 00:36:52,146 BILL: DEA had Otto transferred with the other extraditables. 419 00:36:52,146 --> 00:36:56,609 And then they instituted security procedures to safeguard him, 420 00:36:56,609 --> 00:37:00,696 that they would wake him up every two hours to see if he had been poisoned. 421 00:37:19,257 --> 00:37:22,885 RUBEN: Really the only way that you can effectively lower 422 00:37:22,885 --> 00:37:25,596 your criminal liability, your sentence, 423 00:37:25,596 --> 00:37:28,349 under the Federal system is to cooperate. 424 00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:30,685 It is the pretty much the only way. 425 00:37:30,685 --> 00:37:33,479 I mean, you can argue that you're old, that you're sick, you're tired, 426 00:37:33,479 --> 00:37:36,190 you've got a disease, whatever it is, you know, 427 00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,818 your Mommy beat you up when you were a kid, 428 00:37:38,818 --> 00:37:41,404 that's not really gonna work, especially not at that level. 429 00:37:43,489 --> 00:37:47,034 BILL: My goal is to mitigate or reduce the sentence he's going to get. 430 00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:49,537 So I'm looking at all the possibilities. 431 00:37:49,537 --> 00:37:51,289 I go right to work. 432 00:37:51,289 --> 00:38:00,506 My mind just focusses on, what can we do to maximize benefits for Otto? 433 00:38:00,506 --> 00:38:04,385 STEVE: I received a phone call from Bill Clay, and he said, 434 00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:06,596 what is it that needs to be done? 435 00:38:06,596 --> 00:38:10,349 BILL: As Colombians would say, what kind of positivos 436 00:38:10,349 --> 00:38:13,269 can we produce for the United States government. 437 00:38:13,269 --> 00:38:16,480 STEVE: And I told Bill, I said, there's no question 438 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,358 that Otto needs to get on board or cooperate with us. 439 00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:26,115 OTTO: It was totally against what I believed. 440 00:38:29,744 --> 00:38:31,996 RUBEN: Okay, look, lets think about this for a second. 441 00:38:31,996 --> 00:38:38,544 Since we were kids, in school, nobody wanted to snitch, right? 442 00:38:38,544 --> 00:38:40,963 Snitches get stitches. 443 00:38:40,963 --> 00:38:44,634 What makes you think that a grown man is any different? 444 00:38:44,634 --> 00:38:49,388 OTTO: It's everything, everything that I was against. 445 00:38:49,388 --> 00:38:55,394 You know, to sit in a room, to tell stories about what I did, 446 00:38:55,394 --> 00:38:58,481 when I know that I'm not supposed to be doing that. 447 00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:07,657 When I know that my loved ones are being in danger, by everything that I'm, 448 00:39:07,657 --> 00:39:09,784 that I'm narrating. 449 00:39:09,784 --> 00:39:14,622 RUBEN: You are giving up a lot of your former friends, cohorts, 450 00:39:14,622 --> 00:39:16,582 who know where your family lives. 451 00:39:16,582 --> 00:39:21,045 Know where you live and can really exact retribution. 452 00:39:25,633 --> 00:39:27,593 STEVE: I thought, you know, how the hell are we gonna get, 453 00:39:27,593 --> 00:39:34,642 like, across to this guy? How am I gonna get this point across? 454 00:39:34,642 --> 00:39:38,521 I've found over the years that I've been doing this job, 455 00:39:38,521 --> 00:39:43,150 the greatest success that you have is to treat people like people. 456 00:39:43,150 --> 00:39:47,530 OTTO: I could tell he was a man of his word, lets put it that way. 457 00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:52,535 STEVE: In his mind, his job was done when the bales of cocaine arrived in Guatemala, 458 00:39:52,535 --> 00:39:55,121 and they were turned over to the Mexicans. 459 00:39:55,121 --> 00:39:58,374 And that was the end of what the Herrera organization had to do. 460 00:39:58,374 --> 00:40:01,460 Were two guys that are almost the same age. 461 00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:03,713 We both have families, there's parents, there's kids, 462 00:40:03,713 --> 00:40:06,257 so I went in the office and I said, 463 00:40:06,257 --> 00:40:10,594 print me out like 12 pictures of the end result of crack use. 464 00:40:13,597 --> 00:40:17,393 BILL: Steve, just to kind of make the point, 465 00:40:17,393 --> 00:40:23,357 he reached into his briefcase and he presented some photographs. 466 00:40:23,357 --> 00:40:27,153 STEVE: So, I took the pictures and I slid them across the table 467 00:40:27,153 --> 00:40:30,573 as like I was dealing a deck of cards. 468 00:40:30,573 --> 00:40:34,368 BILL: Addicts, who were in decrepit condition. 469 00:40:34,368 --> 00:40:37,621 Said, this lady, she's 29. 470 00:40:37,621 --> 00:40:40,624 She looks like she's 65 or older. 471 00:40:40,624 --> 00:40:46,672 Look at her. Look at this person. Lets get serious here. 472 00:40:46,672 --> 00:40:49,300 STEVE: I said, we can either continue the way that were continuing, 473 00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:52,303 or we can consider going to a trial. 474 00:40:52,303 --> 00:40:56,724 But in the United States, this is what they see as an end game. 475 00:40:56,724 --> 00:40:58,809 This is what they see on their streets. 476 00:40:58,809 --> 00:41:00,770 BILL: And, whoa. 477 00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:01,687 And that did the trick. 478 00:41:05,232 --> 00:41:10,780 OTTO: Yeah, it was a big impact for me to see those pictures. 479 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:16,452 To have somebody look at me, in the eye, and tell me, you did that. 480 00:41:16,452 --> 00:41:22,750 And it was the first time that it really hit me hard. 481 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:27,379 So it was, I think, a turning point. 482 00:41:27,379 --> 00:41:30,216 BILL: I mean, it was a humbling moment. 483 00:41:30,216 --> 00:41:31,801 A brilliant moment. 484 00:41:46,816 --> 00:41:52,655 STEVE: In the cocaine trafficking industry, it is powered by greed, 485 00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:56,283 and It's powered by ego. 486 00:41:56,283 --> 00:42:00,704 People think that they are untouchable or in some cases, invisible, 487 00:42:00,704 --> 00:42:01,956 until they get caught. 488 00:42:04,291 --> 00:42:07,795 OTTO: My process is not over yet. 489 00:42:07,795 --> 00:42:11,048 As part of my sentence, I have supervised release. 490 00:42:11,048 --> 00:42:14,343 I'm fifty percent done with it. 491 00:42:14,343 --> 00:42:22,476 It's something that reminds me every day that, I have to walk a straight line. 492 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:28,065 BILL: Well let me just say, I've seen them all, 493 00:42:28,065 --> 00:42:30,609 all of the types of drug traffickers. 494 00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:34,697 I've seen the soulless ones, which may be kind of presumptuous 495 00:42:34,697 --> 00:42:39,201 to say someone's soulless, but by the way they act, they sure look soulless. 496 00:42:39,201 --> 00:42:41,579 They sure look like they have no remorse. 497 00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:42,496 Otto has remorse. 498 00:42:45,708 --> 00:42:49,587 STEVE: I've been involved in this case for 14 years. 499 00:42:49,587 --> 00:42:52,214 I know the agents that were involved in this case before. 500 00:42:52,214 --> 00:42:56,343 We have never been able to substantiate any act of violence 501 00:42:56,343 --> 00:42:59,346 that's attributed to Otto Herrera. 502 00:42:59,346 --> 00:43:02,975 OTTO: I think because of the way that I carried myself, 503 00:43:02,975 --> 00:43:08,564 ahh, that kept me most of the time away from all those events. 504 00:43:10,858 --> 00:43:15,446 I would never recommend anyone to follow up on my footsteps. 505 00:43:15,446 --> 00:43:18,741 It's just not gonna bring them any good. 506 00:43:20,117 --> 00:43:24,747 The pressure and all the stress, everything, the responsibility takes over you, 507 00:43:24,747 --> 00:43:27,625 and the fact that you know you're doing something illegal. 508 00:43:27,625 --> 00:43:29,668 So you change as a person, 509 00:43:29,668 --> 00:43:33,005 and you forget what's important in life. 44753

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