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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,813 --> 00:00:04,567 (siren) 2 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:06,527 BONNIE KLAPPER: There is a huge percentage of people 3 00:00:06,527 --> 00:00:09,113 involved in the drug trade that are never caught, 4 00:00:09,113 --> 00:00:12,700 that are never identified, that are never prosecuted. 5 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:18,164 ♪ ♪ 6 00:00:18,164 --> 00:00:20,124 Everyone knew about the Medellin Cartel, 7 00:00:20,124 --> 00:00:22,710 they knew about Pablo. 8 00:00:22,710 --> 00:00:25,255 But this person, he was not on anybody's radar. 9 00:00:25,255 --> 00:00:27,173 He really was an invisible. 10 00:00:32,136 --> 00:00:34,806 CHRIS CASCIO: One of his nicknames was the Gray Ghost. 11 00:00:34,806 --> 00:00:38,268 He did a really good job of not giving anybody his real name. 12 00:00:42,814 --> 00:00:44,941 LUIS RENDON: The faces were other people. 13 00:00:44,941 --> 00:00:48,069 Meanwhile, he was a puppet master above all of them. 14 00:00:51,322 --> 00:00:52,949 RUBEN OLIVA: He was the world's greatest drug dealer 15 00:00:52,949 --> 00:00:54,450 no one ever heard about. 16 00:00:54,450 --> 00:00:59,497 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:06,379 --> 00:01:08,798 ♪ ♪ 18 00:01:08,798 --> 00:01:15,346 ♪ ♪ 19 00:01:15,346 --> 00:01:21,894 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:21,894 --> 00:01:28,818 ♪ ♪ 21 00:01:28,818 --> 00:01:34,324 KLAPPER: If you combine what the drug trafficking business earns, 22 00:01:34,324 --> 00:01:38,036 I'm sorry, Mr. Bezos, but you're not even on the radar. 23 00:01:41,414 --> 00:01:42,707 Typically when drugs 24 00:01:42,707 --> 00:01:44,542 are produced in Colombia, 25 00:01:44,542 --> 00:01:45,877 they transit through 26 00:01:45,877 --> 00:01:46,961 Central America, 27 00:01:46,961 --> 00:01:49,088 ultimately through Mexico, 28 00:01:49,088 --> 00:01:51,424 and the drugs are sold in the United States. 29 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,801 Now the trafficker has a big problem. 30 00:01:53,801 --> 00:01:56,721 It's very hard to get the money back. 31 00:01:56,721 --> 00:01:58,014 The cheapest, most effective 32 00:01:58,014 --> 00:01:59,599 way, though it does generate 33 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:01,225 a lot of bulk, 34 00:02:01,225 --> 00:02:04,896 is simply to send cash. 35 00:02:04,896 --> 00:02:06,606 Just find some containers, 36 00:02:06,606 --> 00:02:09,025 sometimes with the knowledge of the shipping company, 37 00:02:09,025 --> 00:02:10,735 often without the knowledge, 38 00:02:10,735 --> 00:02:12,904 load the money up into the containers, 39 00:02:12,904 --> 00:02:16,491 and then bulk ship to Colombia. 40 00:02:16,491 --> 00:02:20,411 And without a tip, you're never going to discover that. 41 00:02:20,411 --> 00:02:22,538 (horns honking) 42 00:02:22,538 --> 00:02:24,248 RENDON: Working out of the US Embassy in Colombia, 43 00:02:24,248 --> 00:02:28,503 we get 10 or 20 tips a day from sources that have information 44 00:02:28,503 --> 00:02:33,049 on money laundering, narcotics trafficking and so forth. 45 00:02:33,049 --> 00:02:35,301 KLAPPER: The agents, they had been contacted 46 00:02:35,301 --> 00:02:37,845 by an informant in Spain, 47 00:02:37,845 --> 00:02:39,597 and honestly, for months, 48 00:02:39,597 --> 00:02:41,516 they had just blown off the informant. 49 00:02:41,516 --> 00:02:44,560 They get so many tips, so much information, 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,771 but the informant was persistent. 51 00:02:46,771 --> 00:02:49,023 (ship horn blares) 52 00:02:49,023 --> 00:02:51,234 RENDON: The information was that millions of dollars 53 00:02:51,234 --> 00:02:54,487 was concealed within big bags of ammonium sulfate. 54 00:02:54,487 --> 00:02:56,197 This is a fertilizer, 55 00:02:56,197 --> 00:02:59,409 legitimate companies were transporting this fertilizer 56 00:02:59,409 --> 00:03:03,621 from Mexico to Buenaventura, Colombia. 57 00:03:03,621 --> 00:03:04,872 I was skeptical. 58 00:03:04,872 --> 00:03:06,249 I was like, this is probably 59 00:03:06,249 --> 00:03:09,043 another one of those phony allegations. 60 00:03:09,043 --> 00:03:12,213 But we went to the port of Buenaventura, 61 00:03:12,213 --> 00:03:14,549 and sure enough... 62 00:03:14,549 --> 00:03:17,260 MAN: There it is. 63 00:03:17,260 --> 00:03:18,511 RENDON: There was millions and millions of dollars 64 00:03:18,511 --> 00:03:21,514 in bulk cash. 65 00:03:21,514 --> 00:03:23,391 It was a magnificent way for the organization 66 00:03:23,391 --> 00:03:25,059 to smuggle bulk cash, 67 00:03:25,059 --> 00:03:28,104 because the US Customs can't detect it through x‐ray, 68 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:29,814 and even when you probe it, 69 00:03:29,814 --> 00:03:32,733 it's so deep you wouldn't be able to touch it. 70 00:03:32,733 --> 00:03:36,362 KLAPPER: $40 million in cash. 71 00:03:36,362 --> 00:03:39,115 RENDON: It was the largest boat cash container seizure 72 00:03:39,115 --> 00:03:44,120 in US, Mexico and Colombian history, probably in the world. 73 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,414 KLAPPER: So, they knew they were onto something big. 74 00:03:46,414 --> 00:03:51,502 Possibly one of the biggest invisibles ever. 75 00:03:51,502 --> 00:03:53,463 And that's why they came to me. 76 00:03:53,463 --> 00:03:57,550 I had a reputation as the go‐to person for money laundering. 77 00:03:57,550 --> 00:04:00,052 I sat down with the two Homeland Security agents 78 00:04:00,052 --> 00:04:03,806 who said, "We've seized over $40 million. 79 00:04:03,806 --> 00:04:07,560 Imagine the magnitude of the organization 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,354 and the volume of drugs that it's producing. 81 00:04:10,354 --> 00:04:12,231 But where do we go from here?" 82 00:04:12,231 --> 00:04:17,361 (phone ringing) 83 00:04:17,361 --> 00:04:19,780 I receive a call from a Colombian attorney 84 00:04:19,780 --> 00:04:21,532 with whom I'd worked previously. 85 00:04:21,532 --> 00:04:27,205 He said to me, "I have three clients who need to come in. 86 00:04:27,205 --> 00:04:32,418 They just sustained the seizure of enormous amounts of money 87 00:04:32,418 --> 00:04:36,297 and their lives are in danger." 88 00:04:36,297 --> 00:04:41,219 I said, "Did they just get a big hit in Buenaventura?" 89 00:04:41,219 --> 00:04:43,971 And his response was, "How did you know?" 90 00:04:43,971 --> 00:04:48,351 I said "Well, bring them in and we'll all find out." 91 00:04:48,351 --> 00:04:50,728 They were sort of between a rock and a hard place. 92 00:04:50,728 --> 00:04:54,565 Someone was going to come after them for that lost $40 million. 93 00:04:54,565 --> 00:04:56,734 On the other hand, they had US law enforcement 94 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:58,277 breathing down their necks. 95 00:04:58,277 --> 00:05:00,071 They had to make a decision, 96 00:05:00,071 --> 00:05:02,865 which created the greater risk to them, 97 00:05:02,865 --> 00:05:06,077 and ultimately, they ended up with 98 00:05:06,077 --> 00:05:08,120 what I like to call the "good guys." 99 00:05:11,207 --> 00:05:12,917 Once they were signed up, 100 00:05:12,917 --> 00:05:17,004 they went back to Colombia to act as if nothing had happened. 101 00:05:17,004 --> 00:05:20,550 And you have to remember, they themselves were not familiar 102 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:22,593 with whose money they were laundering. 103 00:05:22,593 --> 00:05:24,345 He was an invisible. 104 00:05:24,345 --> 00:05:29,725 So our instructions to them were, number one, stay calm. 105 00:05:29,725 --> 00:05:32,687 Number two, gather as much intelligence as you can 106 00:05:32,687 --> 00:05:35,731 about the group you were working with. 107 00:05:35,731 --> 00:05:39,068 And most important, try to get us real names. 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,329 ♪ ♪ 109 00:05:50,329 --> 00:05:52,999 CASCIO: One of his nicknames was the Gray Ghost. 110 00:05:52,999 --> 00:05:56,794 When we first started hearing about him in 2004, 111 00:05:56,794 --> 00:05:59,088 I was a special agent on behalf of the DEA 112 00:05:59,088 --> 00:06:01,966 assigned to the Caribbean, Atlantic, 113 00:06:01,966 --> 00:06:03,718 and the drug transportation organizations 114 00:06:03,718 --> 00:06:06,095 working in and about those areas. 115 00:06:09,557 --> 00:06:12,393 We were getting a series of fishing vessels 116 00:06:12,393 --> 00:06:17,732 that were loaded from 2,000 to 4,000 kilos of cocaine. 117 00:06:19,734 --> 00:06:22,445 As the crewmembers were coming in from the boats, 118 00:06:22,445 --> 00:06:26,490 a certain name kept popping up when we would speak to them. 119 00:06:26,490 --> 00:06:29,535 Don Luis. 120 00:06:29,535 --> 00:06:31,621 For them, he was a "Don" meaning "respect," 121 00:06:31,621 --> 00:06:33,414 and Luis, that was his first name, 122 00:06:33,414 --> 00:06:36,584 so these guys referred to him as Don Luis. 123 00:06:36,584 --> 00:06:40,922 At the time, other names were more prominent in Colombia. 124 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:45,176 Don Luis, as we knew him, wasn't getting a lot of attention. 125 00:06:45,176 --> 00:06:47,970 But we knew if we were catching 11 different boats 126 00:06:47,970 --> 00:06:52,850 for the tune of 22 tons, that we knew belonged to him, 127 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:55,102 this was a pretty significant target. 128 00:06:57,897 --> 00:07:01,484 Our primary goal was to try to get him identified 129 00:07:01,484 --> 00:07:04,945 and trying to really understand his organization 130 00:07:04,945 --> 00:07:07,948 and the depth of his organization. 131 00:07:07,948 --> 00:07:10,660 My partners and I, we turned every rock we could, 132 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:12,745 traveled all over Central and South America 133 00:07:12,745 --> 00:07:14,413 trying to track down leads. 134 00:07:14,413 --> 00:07:16,874 So we really were on a hunt. 135 00:07:16,874 --> 00:07:23,255 2006, 2007, I received some information that he was the guy 136 00:07:23,255 --> 00:07:26,425 behind the scenes of a Bogota soccer team 137 00:07:26,425 --> 00:07:29,303 who invested in the team and who was paying the bills. 138 00:07:29,303 --> 00:07:31,972 He owned it, but not on paper. 139 00:07:31,972 --> 00:07:33,224 Some of the stuff we weren't sure 140 00:07:33,224 --> 00:07:36,185 what was rumor and what was fact, 141 00:07:36,185 --> 00:07:38,396 and it became, you know, like a passion of ours. 142 00:07:38,396 --> 00:07:39,814 Like, we were going to get this guy identified 143 00:07:39,814 --> 00:07:42,191 and we were going to get him arrested. 144 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:50,825 We received information that his first last name was Caicedo. 145 00:07:50,825 --> 00:07:54,745 But we knew Luis Caicedo was a very popular name in Colombia, 146 00:07:54,745 --> 00:07:56,288 so we had to really do some digging 147 00:07:56,288 --> 00:07:59,709 to get his second last name. 148 00:07:59,709 --> 00:08:03,212 And ultimately, we got the phone call from a well‐placed source 149 00:08:03,212 --> 00:08:05,756 that he used to be a police officer 150 00:08:05,756 --> 00:08:08,509 and then we had to try to figure out what agency he worked with 151 00:08:08,509 --> 00:08:10,219 and how many years ago. 152 00:08:10,219 --> 00:08:15,683 We had individuals in Colombia looking through that paperwork, 153 00:08:15,683 --> 00:08:20,271 and that gave us the second last name. 154 00:08:20,271 --> 00:08:22,106 Velandia was his mother's last name, 155 00:08:22,106 --> 00:08:25,860 and that was the hard name to come up with. 156 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:29,321 Literally within hours we were able to get a photo 157 00:08:29,321 --> 00:08:31,240 from a visa application 158 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,746 with those two names together, the Caicedo Velandia. 159 00:08:36,746 --> 00:08:39,457 We were getting information from our intelligence sources 160 00:08:39,457 --> 00:08:42,543 in Colombia that he was known as Don Lucho. 161 00:08:44,837 --> 00:08:47,173 KLAPPER: Chris Cascio, he and his people 162 00:08:47,173 --> 00:08:51,218 had identified Lucho before anyone else. 163 00:08:51,218 --> 00:08:55,389 They got a drug indictment against Lucho. 164 00:08:55,389 --> 00:08:57,016 The problem was they had no idea 165 00:08:57,016 --> 00:08:59,602 where he was or how to capture him. 166 00:08:59,602 --> 00:09:04,065 ♪ ♪ 167 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:10,571 ♪ ♪ 168 00:09:10,571 --> 00:09:15,451 RENDON: They basically gave us a tip on a person named Max. 169 00:09:15,451 --> 00:09:17,411 Max was a high‐ranking member 170 00:09:17,411 --> 00:09:19,580 of the narcotics trafficking organization 171 00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:21,373 based out of Bogota. 172 00:09:21,373 --> 00:09:25,878 He was not the top of the hierarchy. 173 00:09:25,878 --> 00:09:29,840 He took orders from the boss, the cartel kingpin. 174 00:09:32,384 --> 00:09:34,303 We were working collaboratively 175 00:09:34,303 --> 00:09:36,430 with the Colombian National Police 176 00:09:36,430 --> 00:09:38,432 in trying to identify Max. 177 00:09:38,432 --> 00:09:43,479 Because we didn't have his identity. 178 00:09:43,479 --> 00:09:47,274 But after following him around, doing tactical surveillance, 179 00:09:47,274 --> 00:09:50,069 we thought this was a high‐level worker of the organization. 180 00:09:54,865 --> 00:09:56,575 KLAPPER: This high‐ranking member, 181 00:09:56,575 --> 00:10:01,497 he decided to take his family to the United States on vacation. 182 00:10:01,497 --> 00:10:03,415 We obtained his flight plan. 183 00:10:08,546 --> 00:10:11,382 RENDON: So once he landed in Miami, 184 00:10:11,382 --> 00:10:15,219 we were able to greet him at the airport 185 00:10:15,219 --> 00:10:18,430 and introduce ourselves as federal agents 186 00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:21,058 and notified him that he was under arrest. 187 00:10:21,058 --> 00:10:22,351 I don't think he had any idea 188 00:10:22,351 --> 00:10:25,771 that anybody was looking for him. 189 00:10:25,771 --> 00:10:27,148 It was a big shock. 190 00:10:40,369 --> 00:10:45,124 (jet passing overhead) 191 00:11:32,379 --> 00:11:34,924 ♪ ♪ 192 00:11:34,924 --> 00:11:40,888 ♪ ♪ 193 00:11:48,103 --> 00:11:50,731 RENDON: When Max told us who his boss was, 194 00:11:50,731 --> 00:11:56,278 Luis Caicedo, AKA Don Lucho, we were pleased. 195 00:11:56,278 --> 00:11:57,947 This guy was operating for a long time 196 00:11:57,947 --> 00:11:59,406 without being discovered. 197 00:11:59,406 --> 00:12:00,741 CASCIO: I didn't want to get too excited, 198 00:12:00,741 --> 00:12:02,660 'cause it had been a number of years 199 00:12:02,660 --> 00:12:05,454 that we were looking for him. 200 00:12:05,454 --> 00:12:08,249 DAVID MARWELL: He was a massive target and worked for years 201 00:12:08,249 --> 00:12:12,211 without anybody knowing anything about him. 202 00:12:12,211 --> 00:12:17,383 ♪ ♪ 203 00:12:17,383 --> 00:12:24,390 ♪ ♪ 204 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:27,851 Upon soliciting Max's cooperation, 205 00:12:27,851 --> 00:12:33,399 he laid out for us the entire enterprise. 206 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,401 The entire cartel. 207 00:15:15,185 --> 00:15:19,273 KLAPPER: Once we arrested this high‐ranking member, 208 00:15:19,273 --> 00:15:21,441 we were able to obtain a tremendous amount 209 00:15:21,441 --> 00:15:23,735 of physical evidence 210 00:15:23,735 --> 00:15:26,822 documentary evidence, testimonial evidence. 211 00:15:30,325 --> 00:15:34,079 We actually discovered Lucho was part of what has become 212 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:38,917 the new generation of how to run drug businesses in Colombia. 213 00:15:38,917 --> 00:15:41,795 Designed to limit his exposure 214 00:15:41,795 --> 00:15:45,257 and to remain small and tightly controlled. 215 00:15:45,257 --> 00:15:50,637 Lucho decided, I'm the CEO, I have high level partners, 216 00:15:50,637 --> 00:15:52,931 everything else will be outsourced. 217 00:15:52,931 --> 00:15:55,392 I need drugs, I'm not going to own the labs 218 00:15:55,392 --> 00:15:57,227 like Pablo owned labs. 219 00:15:57,227 --> 00:16:00,105 I'll contract with people to make the drugs. 220 00:16:00,105 --> 00:16:03,317 I need transport, I'm gonna contract with people 221 00:16:03,317 --> 00:16:05,444 who have the planes and the boats. 222 00:16:05,444 --> 00:16:08,113 I need killing, I need murder. 223 00:16:08,113 --> 00:16:10,282 I'll outsource to the hitmen. 224 00:16:10,282 --> 00:16:11,742 (gunshot) 225 00:16:15,412 --> 00:16:19,374 It was almost as if he had sat down with accountants 226 00:16:19,374 --> 00:16:22,169 and investment advisors and decided, 227 00:16:22,169 --> 00:16:27,424 "How can I make the most money and incur the least risk?" 228 00:16:27,424 --> 00:16:30,052 And that's really why he was able to stay invisible 229 00:16:30,052 --> 00:16:31,970 for so long. 230 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:35,682 While Lucho was clearly the brains behind the organization, 231 00:16:35,682 --> 00:16:38,477 he had partners. 232 00:16:38,477 --> 00:16:39,937 One of the most prominent ones 233 00:16:39,937 --> 00:16:42,522 was an individual named Julio Lozano. 234 00:16:42,522 --> 00:16:46,610 Julio was extremely valuable for his connections to the labs, 235 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:49,571 to the product. 236 00:16:49,571 --> 00:16:52,282 He had a man named Claudio Silva. 237 00:16:52,282 --> 00:16:54,701 Claudio had a big farm. 238 00:16:54,701 --> 00:16:59,122 Claudio was very happy to set up a crematorium on his farm, 239 00:16:59,122 --> 00:17:01,500 and when Lucho directed, 240 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,878 the bodies would end up in Claudio's crematorium. 241 00:17:08,465 --> 00:17:09,633 RENDON: These three gentlemen were known as 242 00:17:09,633 --> 00:17:11,343 the Dons of the organization, 243 00:17:11,343 --> 00:17:16,598 hence the name Don Julio, Don Claudio, and Don Lucho. 244 00:17:16,598 --> 00:17:18,558 KLAPPER: Lucho also partnered with someone 245 00:17:18,558 --> 00:17:20,936 who was far from invisible: 246 00:17:20,936 --> 00:17:24,731 a very major trafficker called Loco Barrera. 247 00:17:24,731 --> 00:17:27,567 Loco was part of the organization, 248 00:17:27,567 --> 00:17:31,572 mainly for the deterrent value of his name. 249 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:35,158 People knew you did not want Loco anywhere near you, 250 00:17:35,158 --> 00:17:36,910 because you were going to end up dead, 251 00:17:36,910 --> 00:17:39,871 as would your entire family and everyone else you ever spoke to, 252 00:17:39,871 --> 00:17:41,665 down to your dog. 253 00:17:41,665 --> 00:17:46,712 So Loco was more the threat that was held over anyone's head. 254 00:17:46,712 --> 00:17:50,132 Don't mess with Lucho, or you're going to have to deal with Loco. 255 00:18:19,828 --> 00:18:22,080 JEREMY MCDERMOTT: The relationship between Don Lucho 256 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,418 and Loco Barrera for me is the prototype 257 00:18:26,418 --> 00:18:29,087 visible/invisible relationship. 258 00:18:29,087 --> 00:18:31,506 All eyes were on Loco Barrera, 259 00:18:31,506 --> 00:18:35,469 who's handling the operational side of the business. 260 00:18:35,469 --> 00:18:38,430 Nobody knew that behind him, pulling the strings, 261 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:43,477 making the deals and the big money was Don Lucho. 262 00:18:43,477 --> 00:18:45,979 RENDON: Don Lucho is a very serious man, 263 00:18:45,979 --> 00:18:47,689 and with that amount of money that you have 264 00:18:47,689 --> 00:18:51,943 and to leverage over police, military, 265 00:18:51,943 --> 00:18:54,905 you're able to influence a lot of people. 266 00:18:54,905 --> 00:18:56,365 KLAPPER: In a legal business, 267 00:18:56,365 --> 00:18:58,450 someone's trying to steal your trademark, 268 00:18:58,450 --> 00:19:01,036 someone's engaging in libel or slander, 269 00:19:01,036 --> 00:19:04,623 you can seek redress through the legal system. 270 00:19:04,623 --> 00:19:07,834 Drug trafficking, there is no redress. 271 00:19:07,834 --> 00:19:10,253 Someone steals your drugs and steals your money, 272 00:19:10,253 --> 00:19:11,963 you can't go to court to get it back. 273 00:19:11,963 --> 00:19:16,093 You have to take law enforcement into your own hands. 274 00:19:16,093 --> 00:19:19,429 RENDON: If you crossed his path, you basically got killed. 275 00:19:26,269 --> 00:19:28,397 KLAPPER: Lucho had a head of security. 276 00:19:28,397 --> 00:19:31,733 An individual who went by the alias Sillas, 277 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:34,569 means "chairs" in Spanish. 278 00:19:34,569 --> 00:19:37,614 Sillas was an ex‐sicario, a hitman. 279 00:19:37,614 --> 00:19:41,243 He had been shot in a drug gun battle 280 00:19:41,243 --> 00:19:45,163 and he was paralyzed from the waist down. 281 00:19:45,163 --> 00:19:48,125 Lucho installed him, in his wheelchair, 282 00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:53,171 in a room with video cameras, recording equipment; 283 00:19:53,171 --> 00:19:55,924 he was listening to everyone. 284 00:19:55,924 --> 00:19:57,342 You transported for him, 285 00:19:57,342 --> 00:19:59,636 your chats were going to be intercepted. 286 00:19:59,636 --> 00:20:01,304 You sourced drugs for him? 287 00:20:01,304 --> 00:20:03,473 Your chats were going to be intercepted. 288 00:20:03,473 --> 00:20:07,602 And Sillas oversaw this whole operation. 289 00:20:07,602 --> 00:20:10,439 The most important part of Sillas' job 290 00:20:10,439 --> 00:20:14,192 was to execute the executions. 291 00:20:14,192 --> 00:20:18,447 He would get word from Lucho, "This person stole from me." 292 00:20:18,447 --> 00:20:21,783 He would get word from someone else in the organization, 293 00:20:21,783 --> 00:20:24,494 "This person slept with my wife." 294 00:20:24,494 --> 00:20:28,331 Whatever the reason, Sillas would then subcontract 295 00:20:28,331 --> 00:20:32,878 to a closed group of sicarios, hitmen. 296 00:20:32,878 --> 00:20:36,173 As the organization became more powerful, 297 00:20:36,173 --> 00:20:39,509 Sillas would direct the hitmen, 298 00:20:39,509 --> 00:20:43,096 or the police, who were also working for Lucho, 299 00:20:43,096 --> 00:20:45,432 to simply kidnap the targets 300 00:20:45,432 --> 00:20:50,479 and bring them to Claudio Silva's farm. 301 00:20:50,479 --> 00:20:51,897 CASCIO: Sometimes with the violence, 302 00:20:51,897 --> 00:20:53,565 it's part of their culture 303 00:20:53,565 --> 00:20:59,070 that if they don't enforce violations of their code, 304 00:20:59,070 --> 00:21:01,656 then everyone's going to take advantage of them. 305 00:21:01,656 --> 00:21:03,617 So they have to set examples, 306 00:21:03,617 --> 00:21:05,327 whether it's members in the organization, 307 00:21:05,327 --> 00:21:08,246 people that they care about, people that they're fond of, 308 00:21:08,246 --> 00:21:10,624 and when they get to that level, like Lucho's level, 309 00:21:10,624 --> 00:21:13,752 and if he doesn't handle it, then everybody's going to do it. 310 00:21:16,671 --> 00:21:19,466 RENDON: The organization had a code that they used internally 311 00:21:19,466 --> 00:21:22,803 to document payments. 312 00:21:22,803 --> 00:21:25,847 So it might have been yellow for payments, 313 00:21:25,847 --> 00:21:28,308 or it might have been blue for cocaine shipments. 314 00:21:28,308 --> 00:21:33,146 But red always meant the color of blood. 315 00:21:33,146 --> 00:21:35,899 Yeah, pretty much you're taken out. 316 00:21:41,196 --> 00:21:42,823 (Max sighs) 317 00:21:50,497 --> 00:21:52,666 MARWELL: Ultimately, we made a tactical decision 318 00:21:52,666 --> 00:21:54,668 to pursue Lucho. 319 00:21:54,668 --> 00:21:57,087 CASCIO: Our primary goal was to try to get him extradited 320 00:21:57,087 --> 00:22:00,423 and brought to the United States to face charges. 321 00:22:00,423 --> 00:22:04,177 MARWELL: This operation was unprecedented. 322 00:22:04,177 --> 00:22:07,973 KLAPPER: Agents infiltrated Lucho's organization. 323 00:22:07,973 --> 00:22:10,976 MARWELL: We, from an undercover capacity, 324 00:22:10,976 --> 00:22:13,019 actually ran the cartel. 325 00:22:32,455 --> 00:22:34,249 RENDON: So Max was very cooperative, 326 00:22:34,249 --> 00:22:38,545 and he was willing to work right away with the US government. 327 00:22:40,672 --> 00:22:42,549 Nobody in Don Lucho's organization 328 00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:45,302 knew that he was under arrest. 329 00:22:45,302 --> 00:22:50,640 KLAPPER: We decided to take advantage of the situation. 330 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,602 RENDON: We put him up in a location in New York 331 00:22:53,602 --> 00:22:57,647 and set up an undercover operation. 332 00:22:57,647 --> 00:22:59,482 KLAPPER: We set up a war room, 333 00:22:59,482 --> 00:23:04,070 and the agents infiltrated Lucho's organization 334 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:10,035 and ran it as if they were this high‐ranking individual. 335 00:23:10,035 --> 00:23:13,371 How? The various high‐ranking members of his group 336 00:23:13,371 --> 00:23:16,207 typically never met in person. 337 00:23:16,207 --> 00:23:21,338 Everyone shared an email address and the password for the email. 338 00:23:21,338 --> 00:23:24,049 When they needed to communicate with each other, 339 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:28,094 they would draft an email and leave it in the system. 340 00:23:28,094 --> 00:23:30,597 Undetectable to law enforcement. 341 00:23:30,597 --> 00:23:33,683 The others would check the email in draft form, 342 00:23:33,683 --> 00:23:37,646 because it was never sent, and receive their instructions. 343 00:23:37,646 --> 00:23:40,774 So by using this method of communication, 344 00:23:40,774 --> 00:23:44,319 it enabled him to operate undetected for so many years, 345 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:47,280 but it also enabled us, once we had the keys, 346 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,449 to become part of his organization. 347 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,163 Once we had the key, once we knew the emails, 348 00:23:55,163 --> 00:23:58,333 we were able to take over as if we were that person. 349 00:24:02,879 --> 00:24:04,422 MARWELL: All the people that worked it 350 00:24:04,422 --> 00:24:08,051 had never been in a position similar to this 351 00:24:08,051 --> 00:24:10,553 where in an undercover capacity 352 00:24:10,553 --> 00:24:14,015 they are running a cartel operation. 353 00:24:14,015 --> 00:24:17,686 They are in control of the network. 354 00:24:17,686 --> 00:24:20,188 ♪ ♪ 355 00:24:20,188 --> 00:24:24,734 ♪ ♪ 356 00:24:24,734 --> 00:24:29,155 KLAPPER: So we infiltrated and we began issuing the orders. 357 00:24:29,155 --> 00:24:32,325 "Oh, you have drugs in Venezuela? Send them here." 358 00:24:32,325 --> 00:24:35,578 "Oh, you have money in the Netherlands, send it there." 359 00:24:35,578 --> 00:24:37,497 We would issue the orders to the transporters, 360 00:24:37,497 --> 00:24:39,207 to the money launderers, 361 00:24:39,207 --> 00:24:41,626 and then we would seize the drugs and seize the money. 362 00:24:48,299 --> 00:24:52,429 MARWELL: This operation was continually unnerving, 363 00:24:52,429 --> 00:24:57,017 unnerving for all those that were involved in it. 364 00:24:57,017 --> 00:25:00,437 RENDON: Running a drug trafficking organization remotely, 365 00:25:00,437 --> 00:25:02,856 it's very stressful. 366 00:25:02,856 --> 00:25:05,984 KLAPPER: We had a very fine line to walk, a balance. 367 00:25:05,984 --> 00:25:08,319 We didn't want to get greedy and seize too much 368 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,321 and lose the chance to capture him. 369 00:25:10,321 --> 00:25:13,199 On the other hand, we wanted to seize as much drugs 370 00:25:13,199 --> 00:25:15,785 and as much money as possible. 371 00:25:15,785 --> 00:25:18,705 MARWELL: We were literally doing narcotic deals 372 00:25:18,705 --> 00:25:22,459 and/or money laundering deals all over the world. 373 00:25:22,459 --> 00:25:26,129 We did it in Ecuador, we did it in Argentina, 374 00:25:26,129 --> 00:25:28,048 we did it in Colombia, 375 00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:30,675 Morocco, Spain, Rotterdam. 376 00:25:30,675 --> 00:25:33,511 I mean, it was unprecedented. 377 00:25:33,511 --> 00:25:35,889 It took a lot of cocaine off the streets 378 00:25:35,889 --> 00:25:38,558 in all these various countries. 379 00:25:38,558 --> 00:25:41,770 I believe the entire amount of money that was seized 380 00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:46,232 was something to the tune of $175 million. 381 00:25:49,903 --> 00:25:51,571 RENDON: Working with Max proactively 382 00:25:51,571 --> 00:25:55,784 in an undercover capacity meant dealing with him every day, 383 00:25:55,784 --> 00:25:58,953 20 hours a day, working through weekends, 384 00:25:58,953 --> 00:26:03,124 working through holidays non‐stop. 385 00:26:03,124 --> 00:26:06,419 So you start to understand in a personal way what led him 386 00:26:06,419 --> 00:26:13,384 to be a worker for a major drug trafficker like Luis Caicedo. 387 00:26:13,384 --> 00:26:15,428 I personally think he got involved 388 00:26:15,428 --> 00:26:18,348 because he had no choice. 389 00:26:18,348 --> 00:26:21,101 Once you get in deep, you can't get out, 390 00:26:21,101 --> 00:26:23,144 and that's what most of these guys 391 00:26:23,144 --> 00:26:25,855 who are the underlings of the kingpins say. 392 00:26:25,855 --> 00:26:27,107 You know, if you get out of an organization, 393 00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:28,525 you're either gonna get killed 394 00:26:28,525 --> 00:26:30,110 or your family's gonna get killed. 395 00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:33,530 You really have no options but to work for them. 396 00:26:36,032 --> 00:26:38,368 We would go for walks, 397 00:26:38,368 --> 00:26:40,745 we'd take him out to drink some pop, some shakes, 398 00:26:40,745 --> 00:26:45,500 to kind of decompress from the investigation. 399 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,585 When you're dealing with a high‐level person, 400 00:26:47,585 --> 00:26:49,045 anything could happen. 401 00:26:49,045 --> 00:26:52,048 Ambushing, people trying to break him out 402 00:26:52,048 --> 00:26:54,968 of the undercover location we were at. 403 00:26:54,968 --> 00:26:59,055 So you're talking about me with another 10 to 15 agents 404 00:26:59,055 --> 00:27:03,601 just to even take him outside for a breath. 405 00:27:03,601 --> 00:27:06,938 KLAPPER: Every day was filled with tension, 406 00:27:06,938 --> 00:27:10,900 because we never knew when Lucho would say, 407 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:12,443 "There's a mole, we must shut it down, 408 00:27:12,443 --> 00:27:14,571 we must end communication." 409 00:27:18,783 --> 00:27:23,246 The chatter over the wires was that Lucho was getting worried. 410 00:27:23,246 --> 00:27:26,332 He could not understand how in an organization 411 00:27:26,332 --> 00:27:28,710 that had evaded seizures 412 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:32,505 was getting hit one after another after another. 413 00:27:32,505 --> 00:27:36,551 RENDON: Things were running dry. 414 00:27:36,551 --> 00:27:40,138 There were no more cocaine shipments to send anywhere, 415 00:27:40,138 --> 00:27:41,472 there were no money pickups, 416 00:27:41,472 --> 00:27:44,350 and some people stopped responding, 417 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:49,647 because everybody got scared of what was happening. 418 00:27:49,647 --> 00:27:53,318 Don Lucho was like, "What in the hell is going on?" 419 00:27:53,318 --> 00:27:55,778 MARWELL: These narcotics cartels, 420 00:27:55,778 --> 00:27:58,740 they factor in losing loads of dope. 421 00:27:58,740 --> 00:28:00,658 What they get really upset with 422 00:28:00,658 --> 00:28:02,911 is when their money is confiscated. 423 00:28:02,911 --> 00:28:05,872 KLAPPER: Lucho had suffered very few seizures 424 00:28:05,872 --> 00:28:08,833 before our investigation started. 425 00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,461 We knew that with a certain number of seizures 426 00:28:11,461 --> 00:28:17,216 someone was going to figure out that there was a leak. 427 00:28:17,216 --> 00:28:20,553 Day in and day out, "Is it time to shut it down?" 428 00:28:20,553 --> 00:28:22,263 "Is today the day?" 429 00:28:22,263 --> 00:28:25,934 "Ah, well, just one more load. One more seizure." 430 00:28:25,934 --> 00:28:29,395 Until finally we decided, it's too hot, 431 00:28:29,395 --> 00:28:31,147 there's been too many seizures, 432 00:28:31,147 --> 00:28:32,815 we have to go in for the kill shot. 433 00:28:32,815 --> 00:28:34,609 We have to get Lucho. 434 00:28:34,609 --> 00:28:38,154 ♪ ♪ 435 00:28:38,154 --> 00:28:44,911 ♪ ♪ 436 00:28:44,911 --> 00:28:51,167 ♪ ♪ 437 00:29:48,891 --> 00:29:51,310 RENDON: The belief is that arrest warrant 438 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:53,563 went through the Colombian government, 439 00:29:53,563 --> 00:29:55,440 and Don Lucho was able to obtain that 440 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,276 from the Colombian government through corrupt means. 441 00:29:58,276 --> 00:30:00,111 And so he saw his name, 442 00:30:00,111 --> 00:30:04,741 and he absconded to a country that would offer safe harbor. 443 00:30:06,492 --> 00:30:09,120 KLAPPER: Lucho felt some heat in Colombia, 444 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,332 so he had moved his family to Argentina. 445 00:30:13,332 --> 00:30:16,127 MARWELL: But we didn't know precisely where he was. 446 00:30:16,127 --> 00:30:19,630 So having some of our cooperators contact him 447 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:24,385 via email, we were able to triangulate 448 00:30:24,385 --> 00:30:27,805 some of his coordinates. 449 00:30:27,805 --> 00:30:31,184 KLAPPER: So Lucho was living in an enclave 450 00:30:31,184 --> 00:30:33,561 where a lot of Colombian narcos build their houses. 451 00:30:33,561 --> 00:30:36,439 You can always tell in Argentina. 452 00:30:36,439 --> 00:30:38,066 Gated communities, 453 00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:41,277 monstrous‐size houses, lots of security, 454 00:30:41,277 --> 00:30:43,362 and that's where he had relocated. 455 00:30:43,362 --> 00:30:45,907 ♪ ♪ 456 00:30:45,907 --> 00:30:52,663 ♪ ♪ 457 00:30:52,663 --> 00:30:54,332 RENDON: So the plan to capture Don Lucho 458 00:30:54,332 --> 00:30:59,670 was having Max set up a meeting with Don Lucho in Argentina. 459 00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:02,048 He wanted to meet because he wanted to know what was going on 460 00:31:02,048 --> 00:31:07,011 with, you know, the organization and all the recent seizures. 461 00:31:07,011 --> 00:31:08,763 KLAPPER: "Guys, we've got to be careful. 462 00:31:08,763 --> 00:31:11,224 The gossip, the chatter is that 463 00:31:11,224 --> 00:31:13,017 he's beginning to get suspicious." 464 00:31:13,017 --> 00:31:14,644 The tension was enormous. 465 00:31:14,644 --> 00:31:16,979 Are we really going to get him? 466 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:21,776 RENDON: So when we got on that plane, I was scared, man, 467 00:31:21,776 --> 00:31:24,570 I was like holy (bleep), like, this is happening. 468 00:31:27,073 --> 00:31:30,118 We were going to go forward with capturing 469 00:31:30,118 --> 00:31:32,078 the biggest drug trafficker in the world. 470 00:31:34,872 --> 00:31:36,582 CASCIO: There's so much corruption 471 00:31:36,582 --> 00:31:38,584 in different countries, you have to be really careful 472 00:31:38,584 --> 00:31:42,880 when you actually let people know that you have a target, 473 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,632 you want to put handcuffs on him, 474 00:31:44,632 --> 00:31:47,426 because if you do it too soon and they get word of that, 475 00:31:47,426 --> 00:31:52,056 then the guy runs, and you can't find him. 476 00:31:52,056 --> 00:31:53,057 RENDON: The meeting point was going to be 477 00:31:53,057 --> 00:31:54,433 around a shopping center 478 00:31:54,433 --> 00:31:58,813 in a highly public Argentine community. 479 00:31:58,813 --> 00:32:05,111 ♪ ♪ 480 00:32:05,111 --> 00:32:07,989 KLAPPER: Is he going to be‐‐ sorry, Lucho‐‐ 481 00:32:07,989 --> 00:32:10,908 but is he going to be dumb enough to show up 482 00:32:10,908 --> 00:32:14,495 more or less unaccompanied at a meeting? 483 00:32:14,495 --> 00:32:17,540 RENDON: Don Lucho, people were scared of him. 484 00:32:17,540 --> 00:32:20,334 Not just in Colombia but all over the world. 485 00:32:20,334 --> 00:32:21,919 MARWELL: We were all on pins and needles 486 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:23,880 waiting to see how this happened, 487 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,467 and we were just hoping that everything would go okay. 488 00:32:28,467 --> 00:32:33,514 RENDON: Our agency coordinated with the Argentine authorities. 489 00:32:33,514 --> 00:32:35,308 CASCIO: Depending on your relationship 490 00:32:35,308 --> 00:32:36,976 with local law enforcement, 491 00:32:36,976 --> 00:32:38,561 sometimes you get to go out on the operation, 492 00:32:38,561 --> 00:32:41,439 sometimes you don't. 493 00:32:41,439 --> 00:32:44,150 RENDON: So the Argentines set up surveillance 494 00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:46,027 around the meeting point. 495 00:32:46,027 --> 00:32:47,320 They basically did everything in country, 496 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,905 'cause as diplomats overseas, 497 00:32:48,905 --> 00:32:51,115 we have no law enforcement authority. 498 00:32:51,115 --> 00:32:52,742 CASCIO: The safe place to keep us is at the embassy 499 00:32:52,742 --> 00:32:54,744 so we can't get in any trouble or do anything silly 500 00:32:54,744 --> 00:32:56,162 or screw up their operation. 501 00:32:56,162 --> 00:32:58,706 ♪ ♪ 502 00:32:58,706 --> 00:33:04,420 ♪ ♪ 503 00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:08,216 RENDON: All it is was a very covert operation. 504 00:33:08,216 --> 00:33:11,719 There was no lights and sirens. 505 00:33:11,719 --> 00:33:18,351 Once they saw him, they went ahead and apprehended him. 506 00:33:18,351 --> 00:33:20,311 He knew the gig was up. 507 00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:26,525 KLAPPER: The moment he was in custody, we received word. 508 00:33:26,525 --> 00:33:29,987 And we all shouted and we high‐fived. 509 00:33:29,987 --> 00:33:33,407 "We've got him. We've got him. He's in custody. We've got him." 510 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:38,537 CASCIO: When that went down, it was about a five o'clock, 511 00:33:38,537 --> 00:33:40,957 five or six o'clock on a Friday night. 512 00:33:40,957 --> 00:33:43,376 We were standing by at the embassy 513 00:33:43,376 --> 00:33:48,256 and jumped in the car, drove to the arrest location. 514 00:33:48,256 --> 00:33:51,759 There was an individual in the back of a car in a suit, 515 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,762 and I thought, that kind of meets the criteria for this guy, 516 00:33:54,762 --> 00:33:58,641 because he wasn't just like a low‐level crewmember. 517 00:33:58,641 --> 00:34:02,687 This was, you know, this was the boss. 518 00:34:02,687 --> 00:34:05,940 RENDON: He looked at me with a shock on his face 519 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:06,983 I'd never seen. 520 00:34:06,983 --> 00:34:09,193 His eyes were wide open. 521 00:34:09,193 --> 00:34:11,028 He didn't know what was going on. 522 00:34:11,028 --> 00:34:13,322 But when we identified ourselves, 523 00:34:13,322 --> 00:34:17,660 he kind of nodded and said, "Yeah, I basically got caught." 524 00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:20,329 CASCIO: In my ten seconds of brief conversation 525 00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:23,791 in Spanish with him, we explained it wasn't an accident 526 00:34:23,791 --> 00:34:25,501 why he was in handcuffs. 527 00:34:25,501 --> 00:34:28,129 We encouraged him that in his particular case 528 00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:30,673 it was in his best interest to waive extradition, 529 00:34:30,673 --> 00:34:33,676 and if he delayed the extradition a year or two years, 530 00:34:33,676 --> 00:34:36,012 the information that he could provide to us real time 531 00:34:36,012 --> 00:34:37,471 was going to be stale, 532 00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:39,724 and it'd be in his best interest to get on a plane 533 00:34:39,724 --> 00:34:42,935 and get to the United States. 534 00:34:42,935 --> 00:34:44,979 RENDON: He knew someone definitely betrayed him, 535 00:34:44,979 --> 00:34:49,817 because their organization was so secret and so underworld. 536 00:34:49,817 --> 00:34:52,361 ♪ ♪ 537 00:34:52,361 --> 00:34:57,116 ♪ ♪ 538 00:34:57,116 --> 00:34:59,327 After he got caught, we were listening to these calls 539 00:34:59,327 --> 00:35:02,872 of Loco Barrera making plans 540 00:35:02,872 --> 00:35:05,541 to send helicopters and trucks 541 00:35:05,541 --> 00:35:10,296 and armored vehicles trying to break Don Lucho out of jail. 542 00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:23,851 RENDON: Loco Barrera is serious about trying to break Lucho out. 543 00:35:23,851 --> 00:35:28,230 That's what kind of respect Loco had for Don Lucho. 544 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:30,524 So that's why we had to move fast and get Lucho out of there, 545 00:35:30,524 --> 00:35:32,193 back to the US. 546 00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:36,113 CASCIO: Back in the United States, 547 00:35:36,113 --> 00:35:39,742 Don Lucho, he was looking at 20 to life. 548 00:35:39,742 --> 00:35:41,994 KLAPPER: The only way in the United States 549 00:35:41,994 --> 00:35:46,582 for a drug trafficker to avoid spending 10, 20, 30 years 550 00:35:46,582 --> 00:35:48,626 in jail is to cooperate. 551 00:35:48,626 --> 00:35:51,212 There is no other alternative. 552 00:35:51,212 --> 00:35:54,256 CASCIO: The first part of this cooperation was just, 553 00:35:54,256 --> 00:35:59,053 "Can you turn over any money? Can you turn over any drugs?" 554 00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:01,847 KLAPPER: The Homeland Security agents wanted to seize 555 00:36:01,847 --> 00:36:04,016 as much money as possible. 556 00:36:04,016 --> 00:36:08,354 Their job was to convince Lucho to turn over the money. 557 00:36:10,147 --> 00:36:11,816 CASCIO: Most of these guys will tell you when you lock them up 558 00:36:11,816 --> 00:36:14,068 they don't have any money and they spent all their money, 559 00:36:14,068 --> 00:36:16,696 or so‐and‐so owes them money, and it was true, 560 00:36:16,696 --> 00:36:19,532 Lucho had a bunch of people that owed him a lot more money. 561 00:36:19,532 --> 00:36:22,284 But we knew that he had moved significant amounts of cocaine, 562 00:36:22,284 --> 00:36:24,954 which meant he'd made significant amounts of money. 563 00:36:24,954 --> 00:36:26,914 And the conversation that we had was, 564 00:36:26,914 --> 00:36:28,207 "You don't have to give it all up, 565 00:36:28,207 --> 00:36:30,751 but you gotta give a lot of it up." 566 00:36:30,751 --> 00:36:35,172 So he had a couple individuals that were in Colombia still 567 00:36:35,172 --> 00:36:38,092 that we were making phone calls to. 568 00:36:38,092 --> 00:36:41,637 And ultimately, we were notified that there was a car 569 00:36:41,637 --> 00:36:43,723 at a certain location, a certain color, 570 00:36:43,723 --> 00:36:45,141 and that in the trunk of that car 571 00:36:45,141 --> 00:36:48,227 was, you know, some of his drug proceeds. 572 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:54,108 We'd roll out to these different locations with the local cops. 573 00:36:54,108 --> 00:36:56,485 They'd run the dog on the car, the dog would hit on it, 574 00:36:56,485 --> 00:36:58,904 and then, you know, we would open up the trunk, 575 00:36:58,904 --> 00:37:02,575 and sure enough there'd be a bag of money in there. 576 00:37:02,575 --> 00:37:05,077 Each of the drops, a different car would show up 577 00:37:05,077 --> 00:37:08,414 at a different location, never the same location, 578 00:37:08,414 --> 00:37:11,125 and bags of money in the trunk. 579 00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,919 The first amount was right around $12 million. 580 00:37:13,919 --> 00:37:18,674 About a week later we collected another $16 million, same way. 581 00:37:18,674 --> 00:37:22,136 But the fourth drop in Colombia was the biggest. 582 00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:24,805 We received information about an apartment, 583 00:37:24,805 --> 00:37:28,517 and they had boxes and boxes of money, 584 00:37:28,517 --> 00:37:31,437 and to the tune of close to $50 million 585 00:37:31,437 --> 00:37:32,980 inside the apartment. 586 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:36,609 And it was in a pretty raggedy neighborhood. 587 00:37:36,609 --> 00:37:41,655 $102 million was ultimately seized in Colombia. 588 00:37:41,655 --> 00:37:44,408 But I explained to him that, "Listen, we appreciate 589 00:37:44,408 --> 00:37:45,743 what you did in Colombia, that's great, 590 00:37:45,743 --> 00:37:47,453 but that money stays in Colombia. 591 00:37:47,453 --> 00:37:50,831 If you can get $10 million to the US through another country, 592 00:37:50,831 --> 00:37:53,501 that's going to do a little bit more for you." 593 00:37:55,503 --> 00:37:58,380 So a short time later, he arranged for a series 594 00:37:58,380 --> 00:38:01,634 of four to five different drops in Panama 595 00:38:01,634 --> 00:38:04,386 where we would fly to Panama, we'd go to a location, 596 00:38:04,386 --> 00:38:06,430 and there would be a person there. 597 00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:09,475 And the person would turn over the suitcase to us, 598 00:38:09,475 --> 00:38:12,269 and we would seal it up per our policies and procedures, 599 00:38:12,269 --> 00:38:14,939 throw it in our carry‐on and fly home with it. 600 00:38:14,939 --> 00:38:18,484 ♪ ♪ 601 00:38:18,484 --> 00:38:24,532 ♪ ♪ 602 00:38:24,532 --> 00:38:27,284 Lucho, he pled guilty to everything 603 00:38:27,284 --> 00:38:28,953 that we charged him with. 604 00:38:28,953 --> 00:38:33,165 He always seemed very respectful, very sincere. 605 00:38:33,165 --> 00:38:34,583 "Hey, I just want to get this behind me 606 00:38:34,583 --> 00:38:36,210 and move on with my life." 607 00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:39,129 You know, that was really his attitude with us. 608 00:38:39,129 --> 00:38:41,674 ♪ ♪ 609 00:38:41,674 --> 00:38:47,221 ♪ ♪ 610 00:38:47,221 --> 00:38:53,644 ♪ ♪ 611 00:38:53,644 --> 00:38:55,479 For someone that moved that amount of cocaine, 612 00:38:55,479 --> 00:38:57,565 did he do enough time in jail? 613 00:38:57,565 --> 00:39:01,026 Probably not. Probably not. 614 00:39:01,026 --> 00:39:03,445 Should he have done a little bit more? Maybe. 615 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,242 Everything lined up just perfectly for him. 616 00:39:08,242 --> 00:39:11,078 From the judge that sentenced him, to the timing of it, 617 00:39:11,078 --> 00:39:12,413 everything lined up for him 618 00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:16,083 where he got a favorable sentence. 619 00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:18,544 RENDON: Don Lucho right now is out of jail, 620 00:39:18,544 --> 00:39:22,631 and I think that he will continue to operate 621 00:39:22,631 --> 00:39:25,009 the way he was before. 622 00:39:25,009 --> 00:39:27,803 I think that he still has a lot of influence. 623 00:39:27,803 --> 00:39:30,723 I think he still has a lot of debts 624 00:39:30,723 --> 00:39:33,851 that haven't been collected. 625 00:39:33,851 --> 00:39:37,521 So I think now he's still a dangerous man. 626 00:39:39,148 --> 00:39:40,608 CASCIO: I would like to say 627 00:39:40,608 --> 00:39:42,484 he's not going to get back into business, 628 00:39:42,484 --> 00:39:45,654 but we've had guys spend the same amount of time, 629 00:39:45,654 --> 00:39:49,366 go back out there and start up again. 630 00:39:49,366 --> 00:39:51,535 I hope that's not what he does. 631 00:39:51,535 --> 00:39:54,204 (siren) 632 00:39:54,204 --> 00:39:56,123 KLAPPER: His partners, Julio Lozano, 633 00:39:56,123 --> 00:40:00,169 sentenced back in Colombia, Claudio Silva as well, 634 00:40:00,169 --> 00:40:03,380 paid his sentence back in Colombia. 635 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:06,759 For the Colombians, this is a way of life. 636 00:40:06,759 --> 00:40:08,469 They know that there's a shot 637 00:40:08,469 --> 00:40:10,304 that they're going to get arrested, 638 00:40:10,304 --> 00:40:12,222 they're going to have to cooperate, 639 00:40:12,222 --> 00:40:14,224 they'll get their sentence reduced, 640 00:40:14,224 --> 00:40:16,060 they'll go back to Colombia, 641 00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:18,646 and some significant percentage, 642 00:40:18,646 --> 00:40:20,314 not having any other career path 643 00:40:20,314 --> 00:40:24,568 will immediately return to trafficking or money laundering. 644 00:40:24,568 --> 00:40:27,112 ♪ ♪ 645 00:40:27,112 --> 00:40:33,285 ♪ ♪ 646 00:40:33,285 --> 00:40:35,871 MCDERMOTT: The story of Loco Barrera is perhaps 647 00:40:35,871 --> 00:40:40,167 an extreme case of what happens to a visible. 648 00:40:40,167 --> 00:40:42,670 As the net began to close around him, 649 00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:46,131 he became increasingly desperate. 650 00:40:46,131 --> 00:40:51,011 He used a frying pan to burn his fingerprints and grow a beard, 651 00:40:51,011 --> 00:40:57,476 hoping that that would help him remain not arrested and hidden. 652 00:41:00,062 --> 00:41:01,981 It didn't. 653 00:41:01,981 --> 00:41:04,525 ♪ ♪ 654 00:41:04,525 --> 00:41:11,115 ♪ ♪ 655 00:41:11,115 --> 00:41:17,079 ♪ ♪ 656 00:41:40,436 --> 00:41:43,939 ♪ ♪ 657 00:41:43,939 --> 00:41:50,529 ♪ ♪ 658 00:41:50,529 --> 00:41:53,240 RENDON: Their street value was over $24 billion 659 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,951 of sales of narcotics worldwide. 660 00:41:55,951 --> 00:41:58,662 912 tons of cocaine. 661 00:41:58,662 --> 00:42:01,707 So the magnitude just shows why they were probably 662 00:42:01,707 --> 00:42:03,000 the most successful cartel 663 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,253 in the history of that underground world. 664 00:42:06,253 --> 00:42:07,755 CASCIO: We asked him that, like, "You made so much money. 665 00:42:07,755 --> 00:42:10,382 At what point didn't you just want to check out 666 00:42:10,382 --> 00:42:14,094 and when's enough enough?" 667 00:42:14,094 --> 00:42:17,056 He says, "Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I should have." 668 00:42:17,056 --> 00:42:18,557 In his instance, 669 00:42:18,557 --> 00:42:21,226 I think he enjoyed the business aspect of it, 670 00:42:21,226 --> 00:42:23,353 and he was a really good businessman. 671 00:42:25,773 --> 00:42:27,524 KLAPPER: When all was said and done, 672 00:42:27,524 --> 00:42:31,653 we took down what, for his era, was the largest invisible, 673 00:42:31,653 --> 00:42:33,363 Don Lucho. 674 00:42:33,363 --> 00:42:37,242 We took down his entire hierarchy 675 00:42:37,242 --> 00:42:40,913 in terms of his partners, his right‐hand men. 676 00:42:40,913 --> 00:42:44,917 And we took down well over 30 677 00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:47,294 of what I like to call his subcontractors. 678 00:42:47,294 --> 00:42:48,712 The people who provided him 679 00:42:48,712 --> 00:42:51,298 with what he needed to run his business. 680 00:42:51,298 --> 00:42:55,594 We accomplished our goal, which was to dismantle. 681 00:42:55,594 --> 00:42:59,181 If you're going to ask me, ultimately, 682 00:42:59,181 --> 00:43:04,103 did our work have any effect on the drug trade itself? 683 00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:05,979 The answer is no. 684 00:43:07,314 --> 00:43:10,400 Not at least for a minute. 685 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,027 With him out of the picture, 686 00:43:12,027 --> 00:43:15,572 younger, even more violent traffickers 687 00:43:15,572 --> 00:43:17,825 have stepped into the space. 688 00:43:17,825 --> 00:43:20,577 So with every great success, 689 00:43:20,577 --> 00:43:24,373 all we do is create an opening for the next generation. 690 00:43:24,373 --> 00:43:27,960 There are always other invisibles waiting in the wings. 691 00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,715 Captioned by Side Door Media Services 51733

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