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♪ Swamp Music ♪
1681
01:23:01,549 --> 01:23:02,510
♪ Going down to ♪
1682
01:23:02,511 --> 01:23:04,818
- [Voiceover] Despite these
reservations upon it's release
1683
01:23:04,819 --> 01:23:08,475
in April 1974, Second
Helping proved an enormous
1684
01:23:08,476 --> 01:23:10,128
commercial success.
1685
01:23:10,129 --> 01:23:12,624
Although like Pronounced
it took it's time building
1686
01:23:12,625 --> 01:23:15,813
up momentum not aided by the
failure of it's lead single
1687
01:23:15,814 --> 01:23:17,986
Ask Me No Questions to chart.
1688
01:23:18,979 --> 01:23:21,381
Yet, the input of Ed King
as a composer the new
1689
01:23:21,382 --> 01:23:23,227
three pronged guitar line up
1690
01:23:23,228 --> 01:23:25,718
and Ronnie Van Zant's
continued development
1691
01:23:25,719 --> 01:23:28,168
as a songwriter meant
that over time the album
1692
01:23:28,169 --> 01:23:30,419
would make a significant impact.
1693
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:32,225
- Lynyrd Skynyrd was very unique starting
1694
01:23:32,226 --> 01:23:34,878
with Second Helping and
having three guitar players.
1695
01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:38,988
It's something that on paper can't work,
1696
01:23:38,989 --> 01:23:41,227
but each of the guitarists, Ed King,
1697
01:23:41,228 --> 01:23:43,278
Gary Rossington, and Allen Collins were
1698
01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:46,067
very different and had their own strengths
1699
01:23:46,068 --> 01:23:48,260
and understood that about each other.
1700
01:23:48,261 --> 01:23:51,237
I think Second Helping
stands up as a great album.
1701
01:23:51,238 --> 01:23:52,632
It has Call me the Breeze.
1702
01:23:52,633 --> 01:23:54,449
It has The Ballad Of Curtis-Loew.
1703
01:23:54,450 --> 01:23:56,512
There was depth to the music
1704
01:23:56,513 --> 01:23:57,707
and to the singing,
1705
01:23:57,708 --> 01:23:59,178
and to everything about it,
1706
01:23:59,179 --> 01:24:01,710
that again made you feel things without
1707
01:24:01,711 --> 01:24:04,032
quite understanding them which is what
1708
01:24:04,033 --> 01:24:06,270
the best music should do.
1709
01:24:06,271 --> 01:24:10,115
♪ Well, I used to wake the morning ♪
1710
01:24:10,116 --> 01:24:14,510
♪ Before the rooster crow ♪
1711
01:24:14,511 --> 01:24:17,570
♪ Searching for soda bottles ♪
1712
01:24:17,571 --> 01:24:21,696
♪ To get myself some dough ♪
1713
01:24:21,697 --> 01:24:24,478
♪ Brought them down to the corner ♪
1714
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,877
♪ Down to the country store ♪
1715
01:24:28,878 --> 01:24:31,444
♪ Cash them in and give my money ♪
1716
01:24:31,445 --> 01:24:33,945
♪ To a man named Curtis-Loew ♪
1717
01:24:35,537 --> 01:24:38,490
- Allen Collins and Ronnie
brought Curtis-Loew,
1718
01:24:38,491 --> 01:24:40,224
The Ballad of Curtis-Loew to the band
1719
01:24:40,225 --> 01:24:42,709
and unlike any other song we'd written,
1720
01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:45,147
that was written outside
of our rehearsal space.
1721
01:24:45,148 --> 01:24:47,410
That was written at home, so they already
1722
01:24:47,411 --> 01:24:49,578
brought it finished and I arranged it
1723
01:24:49,579 --> 01:24:52,801
and it was an inspiration.
1724
01:24:52,802 --> 01:24:54,607
Here's a song I didn't
write that I really kind
1725
01:24:54,608 --> 01:24:56,459
of grabbed on to and said, "Wow, this is
1726
01:24:56,460 --> 01:24:59,401
"it's a very cool song."
1727
01:24:59,402 --> 01:25:01,792
It's still one of my
favorite Skynyrd songs.
1728
01:25:01,793 --> 01:25:06,788
♪ Play me a song Curtis
Loew, Curtis Loew ♪
1729
01:25:08,286 --> 01:25:11,215
♪ I got your drinkin' money ♪
1730
01:25:11,216 --> 01:25:14,498
♪ So tune up your dobro ♪
1731
01:25:14,499 --> 01:25:17,404
♪ People said he was useless ♪
1732
01:25:17,405 --> 01:25:22,176
♪ Them people all were fools ♪
1733
01:25:22,177 --> 01:25:25,938
♪ 'Cause Curtis Loew
was the finest picker ♪
1734
01:25:25,939 --> 01:25:28,451
♪ To ever play the blues ♪
1735
01:25:29,854 --> 01:25:32,947
- I think the band was
definitely still growing
1736
01:25:32,948 --> 01:25:34,120
when they did Second Helping.
1737
01:25:34,121 --> 01:25:36,265
They were getting stronger
and more confident.`
1738
01:25:36,266 --> 01:25:40,215
Ballad of Curtis-Loew is
a great song, really cool
1739
01:25:40,216 --> 01:25:42,582
and sort of very distinctive.
1740
01:25:42,583 --> 01:25:44,844
It give Skynyrd this whole other part
1741
01:25:44,845 --> 01:25:48,009
of their personality
and Call Me The Breeze
1742
01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:50,072
is this boogie tune.
1743
01:25:50,073 --> 01:25:53,343
I can hear a connection to like Bob Dylan
1744
01:25:53,344 --> 01:25:55,991
Watching The River Flow
or something like that
1745
01:25:55,992 --> 01:25:59,573
and just the blues, but the
beat and the way they play
1746
01:25:59,574 --> 01:26:02,551
with the breaks and
things sort of designed
1747
01:26:02,552 --> 01:26:05,669
to sort of show off the
band, arrangement wise.
1748
01:26:05,670 --> 01:26:09,138
It was definitely a step
in the next direction.
1749
01:26:09,139 --> 01:26:12,982
I think that this was
creatively maybe the high point
1750
01:26:12,983 --> 01:26:14,335
of the band.
1751
01:26:19,348 --> 01:26:21,903
♪ Call me the breeze ♪
1752
01:26:21,904 --> 01:26:26,899
♪ I keep blowin' down the road ♪
1753
01:26:27,483 --> 01:26:31,256
♪ They call me the breeeze, baby ♪
1754
01:26:31,257 --> 01:26:36,252
♪ I keep blowing down the road ♪
1755
01:26:37,095 --> 01:26:40,598
♪ I ain't got me nobody ♪
1756
01:26:40,599 --> 01:26:45,594
♪ I don't carry me no load ♪
1757
01:26:46,436 --> 01:26:49,976
♪ Ain't no changin' the weather ♪
1758
01:26:49,977 --> 01:26:52,407
♪ Ain't no changes in me ♪
1759
01:26:53,553 --> 01:26:54,818
- Ronnie Van Zant was showing
1760
01:26:54,819 --> 01:26:56,975
an incredible ability to write songs
1761
01:26:56,976 --> 01:26:59,413
that move people and
also to have great taste
1762
01:26:59,414 --> 01:27:02,988
when picking outside song
writers which they didn't do
1763
01:27:02,989 --> 01:27:05,977
a lot of, but they did with
great effect when they did.
1764
01:27:05,978 --> 01:27:08,368
Call Me The Breeze I think
is the perfect example.
1765
01:27:08,369 --> 01:27:11,240
JJ Cale's a great songwriter
who also provided great songs
1766
01:27:11,241 --> 01:27:14,749
for Eric Clapton, just by pulling from him
1767
01:27:15,719 --> 01:27:18,846
with the same sort of
musical gusto and swagger
1768
01:27:18,847 --> 01:27:20,594
and upbeat swing.
1769
01:27:20,595 --> 01:27:23,571
It was again, music
that made you feel good.
1770
01:27:23,572 --> 01:27:26,196
They took a very cool, laid-back, sort
1771
01:27:26,197 --> 01:27:29,567
of swampy JJ Cale song and turned it
1772
01:27:29,568 --> 01:27:33,153
into an out and out party, rock anthem
1773
01:27:33,154 --> 01:27:34,701
that gets everybody up
1774
01:27:34,702 --> 01:27:36,146
and dancing and feeling good.
1775
01:27:37,221 --> 01:27:38,838
- [Voiceover] Shortly
after the album's release
1776
01:27:38,839 --> 01:27:40,913
the band played their biggest show to date
1777
01:27:40,914 --> 01:27:42,542
alongside The Allman Brothers Band
1778
01:27:42,543 --> 01:27:45,722
at the Georgia Jam in front of 61,000 fans
1779
01:27:45,723 --> 01:27:47,418
in Atlanta.
1780
01:27:47,419 --> 01:27:49,845
On the back of their
country hit Ramblin' Man
1781
01:27:49,846 --> 01:27:51,829
at this time Greg Allman's ensemble were
1782
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:55,120
at the peak of their popularity
and other Capricorn acts
1783
01:27:55,121 --> 01:27:56,655
such as The Marshall Tucker Band
1784
01:27:56,656 --> 01:27:59,496
and Wet Willie had also begun
to build a strong following.
1785
01:28:00,465 --> 01:28:02,938
Despite being uncomfortable
about being identified
1786
01:28:02,939 --> 01:28:05,645
too closely with this wave
of music now being dubbed
1787
01:28:05,646 --> 01:28:08,168
Southern Rock, Skynyrd
were canny enough to know
1788
01:28:08,169 --> 01:28:10,449
they had the songs to distinguish them
1789
01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:12,500
from these contemporaries.
1790
01:28:12,501 --> 01:28:14,105
- They played with The
Marshall Tucker Band
1791
01:28:14,106 --> 01:28:15,149
on a lot of dates.
1792
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:17,129
They played with The Allman
Brothers on a few dates.
1793
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:19,498
They played with Charlie
Daniels on some dates.
1794
01:28:19,499 --> 01:28:21,779
Skynyrd got a bigger picture
actually that we are who we are
1795
01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:24,394
and we're going to knock them dead
1796
01:28:24,395 --> 01:28:26,902
and just give us that
stage and give us our time
1797
01:28:26,903 --> 01:28:28,618
and we're gonna go prove it.
1798
01:28:30,807 --> 01:28:33,255
If somebody can follow us, God Bless them,
1799
01:28:33,256 --> 01:28:35,048
but it wasn't really competitive.
1800
01:28:35,049 --> 01:28:37,428
It was an amount of self-assurance.
1801
01:28:37,429 --> 01:28:39,671
- Lynyrd Skynyrd was the show stopper.
1802
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:43,359
When I walked to the stage
1803
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,727
with Lynyrd Skynyrd the hairs
1804
01:28:45,728 --> 01:28:47,654
on the back of my neck stood up.
1805
01:28:48,764 --> 01:28:53,759
It was like the Gladiators
going into the arena.
1806
01:28:53,780 --> 01:28:55,901
We're fixing to kill.
1807
01:28:55,902 --> 01:28:59,148
We're gonna blow this
roof off of this place,
1808
01:28:59,149 --> 01:29:03,548
and we did, over and over and over again.
1809
01:29:04,482 --> 01:29:06,837
- [Voiceover] Yet, from
the beginning of 1974
1810
01:29:06,838 --> 01:29:09,339
controversy had surrounded
Skynyrd's live shows.
1811
01:29:10,226 --> 01:29:12,604
While they were in part
looking to distance themselves
1812
01:29:12,605 --> 01:29:15,030
from the Southern Rock
boom, the new decision
1813
01:29:15,031 --> 01:29:17,808
to use the Confederate
Flag as the band's onstage
1814
01:29:17,809 --> 01:29:20,352
backdrop in many ways identified them
1815
01:29:20,353 --> 01:29:22,625
as the quintessential Southern band.
1816
01:29:22,626 --> 01:29:25,181
The connotations of the
flag itself raise serious
1817
01:29:25,182 --> 01:29:26,494
questions.
1818
01:29:26,495 --> 01:29:29,166
Not only did it represent the
South's historical defense
1819
01:29:29,167 --> 01:29:32,519
of slavery it had also been
subsequently appropriated
1820
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,144
by the Ku Klux Klan and
a number of other white
1821
01:29:35,145 --> 01:29:36,403
supremacist groups.
1822
01:29:37,513 --> 01:29:39,868
- They were not in favor
of this at the beginning.
1823
01:29:39,869 --> 01:29:43,690
According to them it was all MCA's doing.
1824
01:29:43,691 --> 01:29:47,557
It was the marketing people,
the promotions people.
1825
01:29:47,558 --> 01:29:51,859
Sat back in L.A. and New
York and they would say,
1826
01:29:51,860 --> 01:29:54,144
"How we gonna present this band?
1827
01:29:54,145 --> 01:29:55,364
"You know they come on stage.
1828
01:29:55,365 --> 01:29:58,575
"They sing about growing
up in the deep South
1829
01:29:58,576 --> 01:30:00,721
"and all that goes along with that.
1830
01:30:00,722 --> 01:30:02,643
"How we gonna present it?"
1831
01:30:02,644 --> 01:30:04,073
And they come up with,
"Well, why don't we do
1832
01:30:04,074 --> 01:30:07,133
"the Confederate Flag behind them?"
1833
01:30:07,134 --> 01:30:08,632
One of the worse decisions ever made,
1834
01:30:08,633 --> 01:30:09,887
but also one of the best
1835
01:30:09,888 --> 01:30:12,465
because it really became
identified with them,
1836
01:30:12,466 --> 01:30:15,489
but also forced them to have to explain.
1837
01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:17,564
They had some splainin' to do.
1838
01:30:17,565 --> 01:30:21,198
Mostly the critics who
are based in New York
1839
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:23,823
and L.A. you know,
people like Lester Bangs,
1840
01:30:23,824 --> 01:30:26,133
and you know, Robert Christgau, and people
1841
01:30:26,134 --> 01:30:29,115
very araldite men, Robert
Hilburn, people like that.
1842
01:30:30,166 --> 01:30:32,931
Were not so, quick to
accept the Confederate Flag
1843
01:30:32,932 --> 01:30:35,626
as an innocent symbol of rock-n-roll.
1844
01:30:35,627 --> 01:30:37,151
That was a symbol of slavery.
1845
01:30:37,152 --> 01:30:39,143
That was a symbol of treason.
1846
01:30:39,144 --> 01:30:41,968
That was a symbol of 1/2
a million Americans dying
1847
01:30:41,969 --> 01:30:43,843
in a war.
1848
01:30:43,844 --> 01:30:46,669
- As to who's decision it was,
I think if the band didn't
1849
01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:48,227
want to do it they wouldn't have done it.
1850
01:30:48,228 --> 01:30:53,223
As a natural thing to do
because the band didn't see it
1851
01:30:53,858 --> 01:30:56,218
in the way it was often interpreted.
1852
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:58,830
A piece of history, you know.
1853
01:31:01,006 --> 01:31:03,338
I think that they kind of wanted to do it
1854
01:31:03,339 --> 01:31:08,334
as rebels, as Southerners,
not to relive the past
1855
01:31:09,751 --> 01:31:13,079
in stretch of the imagination.
1856
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,372
I don't think it was any more
than we grew up in the South
1857
01:31:16,373 --> 01:31:19,045
let's put the flag up
there and go play for it.
1858
01:31:19,046 --> 01:31:21,600
Unfortunately it could be misunderstood.
1859
01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:24,741
- The idea of using a
Confederate Flag as a back drop
1860
01:31:24,742 --> 01:31:27,109
on the stage came from the band.
1861
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:32,105
MCA would never have suggested that
1862
01:31:32,748 --> 01:31:35,982
because you know, it's derisive
1863
01:31:35,983 --> 01:31:38,179
and racially.
1864
01:31:41,738 --> 01:31:44,953
But MCA didn't stop them from it either.
1865
01:31:46,181 --> 01:31:47,345
Nor I.
1866
01:31:48,197 --> 01:31:49,806
That's what they wanted to do.
1867
01:31:50,857 --> 01:31:54,385
That's what they felt in their hearts.
1868
01:31:54,386 --> 01:31:56,535
That's who they believed they were.
1869
01:31:57,913 --> 01:32:01,152
That's who they were,
so that's what they did.
1870
01:32:02,274 --> 01:32:05,403
- I always thought it was a Rebel Flag.
1871
01:32:05,404 --> 01:32:07,712
Me personally, understand
I'm from Southern
1872
01:32:07,713 --> 01:32:11,815
California, I'm about as
anti-slavery as you can get.
1873
01:32:11,816 --> 01:32:14,088
The flag being part of their heritage,
1874
01:32:14,089 --> 01:32:15,347
I understand that, too.
1875
01:32:16,316 --> 01:32:18,941
Just because we draped a
flag back there doesn't mean
1876
01:32:18,942 --> 01:32:22,446
that we believed in slavery or anything.
1877
01:32:22,447 --> 01:32:25,118
It's simply a Rebel Flag
1878
01:32:25,119 --> 01:32:26,999
and the band was surely Rebels.
1879
01:32:28,671 --> 01:32:30,275
- [Voiceover] This
controversy was heightened
1880
01:32:30,276 --> 01:32:31,987
with the release of Skynyrd's next single,
1881
01:32:31,988 --> 01:32:34,215
Sweet Home Alabama which was in part
1882
01:32:34,216 --> 01:32:35,902
an anthem for the South.
1883
01:32:35,903 --> 01:32:37,989
It also a highly ambiguous statement
1884
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:39,189
from Ronnie Van Zant.
1885
01:32:40,345 --> 01:32:42,829
Not only did he address
Neil Young in the lyrics
1886
01:32:42,830 --> 01:32:45,046
taking him to task for
the songs, Southern Man
1887
01:32:45,047 --> 01:32:47,355
and Alabama in which Young had condemned
1888
01:32:47,356 --> 01:32:49,348
white Southerners for their racism.
1889
01:32:49,349 --> 01:32:52,102
He also made reference to
Alabama's segregationist
1890
01:32:52,103 --> 01:32:53,490
Governor, George Wallace.
1891
01:32:55,186 --> 01:32:58,888
- I draw the line in the
dust and toss the gauntlet
1892
01:32:58,889 --> 01:33:03,531
before the feet of tyranny
I say segregation now,
1893
01:33:03,532 --> 01:33:07,485
segregation tomorrow,
and segregation forever.
1894
01:33:08,678 --> 01:33:10,321
- [Voiceover] These lyrics
would forever cause doubt
1895
01:33:10,322 --> 01:33:13,271
over Van Zant's own
position on segregation.
1896
01:33:13,272 --> 01:33:15,545
Yet, the controversy in
no way damaged the impact
1897
01:33:15,546 --> 01:33:18,124
of the single itself which
not only provided the band
1898
01:33:18,125 --> 01:33:21,031
with their first top 10
hit on the Billboard Chart,
1899
01:33:21,032 --> 01:33:23,039
but also broke them internationally.
1900
01:33:24,091 --> 01:33:26,517
- Ronnie was proud to be from the South.
1901
01:33:26,518 --> 01:33:29,599
It's a rallying cry for the South.
1902
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,885
That's really what Sweet Home Alabama is.
1903
01:33:31,886 --> 01:33:34,769
If they hadn't written this great song,
1904
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:37,196
really strong song we wouldn't be talking
1905
01:33:37,197 --> 01:33:39,329
about it today, nobody would care.
1906
01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:41,662
- Sweet Home Alabama
represents the growing
1907
01:33:41,663 --> 01:33:44,768
confidence of young southern men.
1908
01:33:44,769 --> 01:33:47,208
- It represents the growing
confidence of the band.
1909
01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:51,638
It represents some sort of
swagger awash in America.
1910
01:33:51,639 --> 01:33:54,416
It gave people a sort of wistful feeling
1911
01:33:54,417 --> 01:33:58,718
of wanting something
that was gone and again
1912
01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,391
for some people that
represented wanting something
1913
01:34:01,392 --> 01:34:04,009
that most of the world
was happy it was gone,
1914
01:34:04,873 --> 01:34:07,416
but for many other people
it didn't represent
1915
01:34:07,417 --> 01:34:08,974
that specifically at all.
1916
01:34:08,975 --> 01:34:13,970
It just represented something
good in some indefinable way.
1917
01:34:15,094 --> 01:34:18,457
It was a song that made you
happy, made you stomp your feet,
1918
01:34:18,458 --> 01:34:22,736
made you jump up out of your
seat and they just nailed it.
1919
01:34:22,737 --> 01:34:25,642
Everything came together
into a perfect song
1920
01:34:25,643 --> 01:34:27,447
for that band at that time.
1921
01:34:27,448 --> 01:34:31,995
♪ Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about her ♪
1922
01:34:31,996 --> 01:34:36,754
♪ Well, I hear old Neil put her down ♪
1923
01:34:36,755 --> 01:34:41,560
♪ Well, I hope Neil Young will remember ♪
1924
01:34:41,561 --> 01:34:46,506
♪ A Southern Man don't
need him around anyhow ♪
1925
01:34:46,507 --> 01:34:51,359
♪ Sweet Home Alabama ♪
1926
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:56,001
♪ Where the skis are so blue, whoo ♪
1927
01:34:56,002 --> 01:34:58,673
- What I always thought
was it was a completley
1928
01:34:58,674 --> 01:35:00,290
legitimate song.
1929
01:35:00,291 --> 01:35:03,057
I never had any problem with that song.
1930
01:35:03,058 --> 01:35:05,320
I'm not suggesting that
the political logic
1931
01:35:05,321 --> 01:35:09,293
of Sweet Home Alabama is anything special,
1932
01:35:09,294 --> 01:35:12,821
but simply as an expression of feeling
1933
01:35:12,822 --> 01:35:14,802
it seem completely legitimate.
1934
01:35:14,803 --> 01:35:17,510
Basically, he's saying to Neil Young
1935
01:35:17,511 --> 01:35:19,309
who's after all a Canadian,
1936
01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:21,009
don't you moralize at us.
1937
01:35:21,010 --> 01:35:22,633
And I don't think that's a bad thing
1938
01:35:22,634 --> 01:35:23,676
fort somebody to say.
1939
01:35:23,677 --> 01:35:25,024
He was moralizing.
1940
01:35:25,025 --> 01:35:26,478
And I love Neil Young.
1941
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:27,978
Neil Young is one of my favorite artists
1942
01:35:27,979 --> 01:35:29,354
in the whole history of his music.
1943
01:35:30,194 --> 01:35:35,189
♪ Southern man better keep your head ♪
1944
01:35:35,891 --> 01:35:40,886
♪ Don't forget what your good book said ♪
1945
01:35:42,396 --> 01:35:47,391
♪ Southern change gonna come at last ♪
1946
01:35:48,515 --> 01:35:53,510
♪ Now your crosses are burning fast. ♪
1947
01:35:54,047 --> 01:35:55,246
♪ Southern man ♪
1948
01:36:00,788 --> 01:36:02,415
- The Neil Young thing of course
1949
01:36:02,416 --> 01:36:04,877
it was a repost to Neil Young
1950
01:36:04,878 --> 01:36:08,348
for dumping on Southern men, you know,
1951
01:36:08,349 --> 01:36:10,704
didn't do what the good book says
1952
01:36:10,705 --> 01:36:12,509
and yeah, he had every
right to, Neil Young
1953
01:36:12,510 --> 01:36:15,451
had every right to do a song like that.
1954
01:36:15,452 --> 01:36:16,624
It was perfectly timed.
1955
01:36:16,625 --> 01:36:21,137
And Ronnie had every
perfect right to dispute it
1956
01:36:21,138 --> 01:36:23,317
and stand up for Southern manhood.
1957
01:36:23,318 --> 01:36:25,052
That part of it was fine,
1958
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:29,383
but when you get into the
Governor in Birmingham
1959
01:36:29,384 --> 01:36:32,115
Birmingham, why did he choose Birmingham?
1960
01:36:33,037 --> 01:36:34,232
It's not the capital of the state.
1961
01:36:34,233 --> 01:36:36,319
Birmingham is a place where the worse,
1962
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,905
bloodiest race riots happened in Alabama.
1963
01:36:39,906 --> 01:36:42,567
Why did is he choosing, in Birmingham
1964
01:36:42,568 --> 01:36:44,560
they love the governor,.
1965
01:36:44,561 --> 01:36:45,522
Yeah, we know that.
1966
01:36:45,523 --> 01:36:47,748
They love him because
they're a bunch of racists.
1967
01:36:47,749 --> 01:36:50,331
So is he was he sending them up?
1968
01:36:51,241 --> 01:36:53,738
Or was he endorsing them?
1969
01:36:53,739 --> 01:36:55,144
We never knew.
1970
01:36:55,145 --> 01:36:57,828
- I put the background vocals on that
1971
01:36:57,829 --> 01:37:01,239
without discussing it with them.
1972
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,208
It was a very tough session
1973
01:37:03,209 --> 01:37:05,018
because I used black women
1974
01:37:05,941 --> 01:37:08,682
and they don't think Sweet Home Alabama
1975
01:37:08,683 --> 01:37:11,371
they think George Wallace.
1976
01:37:14,473 --> 01:37:17,322
♪ In Birmingham they love the governor ♪
1977
01:37:17,323 --> 01:37:19,578
♪ Boo, hoo, hoo ♪
1978
01:37:19,579 --> 01:37:21,923
♪ Now we all did what we could do ♪
1979
01:37:21,924 --> 01:37:23,053
- What's he doing there?
1980
01:37:24,093 --> 01:37:26,014
He's playing both ends against the middle.
1981
01:37:26,015 --> 01:37:27,455
That's what he's doing.
1982
01:37:27,456 --> 01:37:29,412
That boo, boo, boo thing.
1983
01:37:29,413 --> 01:37:31,066
Who was booing?:
1984
01:37:31,067 --> 01:37:33,105
He leaves that completely open.
1985
01:37:33,106 --> 01:37:35,278
I really tried to pin him down on it.
1986
01:37:39,518 --> 01:37:42,645
He said, with a fair amount of clarity
1987
01:37:44,212 --> 01:37:48,549
that he did not agree with
George Wallace's view of race.
1988
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:51,806
He said that with a
fair amount of clarity.
1989
01:37:51,807 --> 01:37:55,301
Did he therefore think that
the appeal that George Wallace
1990
01:37:55,302 --> 01:37:58,744
had to working-class
Southerners was all together
1991
01:37:58,745 --> 01:38:02,202
illegitimate when no other candidate was
1992
01:38:02,203 --> 01:38:03,797
in any way trying to meet
1993
01:38:03,798 --> 01:38:06,751
any of their interests and
George Wallace was smart enough
1994
01:38:06,752 --> 01:38:10,372
to do class stuff and in
fact did some liberal stuff
1995
01:38:10,373 --> 01:38:12,271
for working people in Alabama.
1996
01:38:12,272 --> 01:38:14,780
He understands that there's
something about George Wallace
1997
01:38:14,781 --> 01:38:16,397
that he want to celebrate.
1998
01:38:16,398 --> 01:38:17,769
And there's something about George Wallace
1999
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:19,562
that he wants to critcize.
2000
01:38:19,563 --> 01:38:21,665
There's a certain type
of chip on shoulder,
2001
01:38:23,255 --> 01:38:28,250
double-dare you thing
going on where he wants
2002
01:38:28,307 --> 01:38:32,399
to rile up and get his core audience,
2003
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,081
the people he grew up with
2004
01:38:34,996 --> 01:38:39,913
and wants to say to the
rest of the rock audience
2005
01:38:39,914 --> 01:38:41,937
who he really would love to have on board,
2006
01:38:41,938 --> 01:38:43,527
who he wants to have buying his record.
2007
01:38:43,528 --> 01:38:45,356
No, this is who I am.
2008
01:38:45,357 --> 01:38:46,962
Take it or leave it.
2009
01:38:46,963 --> 01:38:48,174
I'm gonna do this now
2010
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:53,631
because I'm not simply going
to be kissing ass here.
2011
01:38:53,632 --> 01:38:56,203
It's a very, very complicated gesture
2012
01:38:57,465 --> 01:39:00,641
that he brought off with
more subtly than I can
2013
01:39:00,642 --> 01:39:04,103
in the end penetrate and
that speaks well of him.
2014
01:39:05,107 --> 01:39:07,474
- [Voiceover] With a
bonafide hit to propel them
2015
01:39:07,475 --> 01:39:09,994
Skynyrd continued to tour
the US into the Summer.
2016
01:39:09,995 --> 01:39:12,737
Yet, despite their growing
fame, their devotion
2017
01:39:12,738 --> 01:39:15,901
to the chaotic routine, of
the rock-n-roll lifestyle
2018
01:39:15,902 --> 01:39:17,754
was beginning to take
it's toll on the band
2019
01:39:17,755 --> 01:39:19,723
and strained their
relationship with manager,
2020
01:39:19,724 --> 01:39:20,988
Alan Walden.
2021
01:39:20,989 --> 01:39:23,568
- By the time the band got out there
2022
01:39:23,569 --> 01:39:26,158
they had been playing the bars so long
2023
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,581
that almost everybody in
the band was an alcoholic,
2024
01:39:29,582 --> 01:39:31,573
myself included, you know.
2025
01:39:31,574 --> 01:39:35,969
I needed to grasp real control of the band
2026
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:39,297
before they started
fucking up the whole thing.
2027
01:39:39,298 --> 01:39:44,293
I began to have to talk to hotel managers
2028
01:39:45,781 --> 01:39:49,382
more and more and more about
them tearing up hotels.
2029
01:39:50,751 --> 01:39:52,047
Spend a good bit of time trying
2030
01:39:52,048 --> 01:39:55,938
to convince the law officials
not to arrest them all, okay?
2031
01:39:55,939 --> 01:39:59,736
Finally in Saint Louis one
night, they were checking
2032
01:39:59,737 --> 01:40:03,304
in to a hotel and on
the way in, checking in,
2033
01:40:03,305 --> 01:40:06,839
they busted out the exit
signs in the hallway.
2034
01:40:07,796 --> 01:40:10,456
Well, the bellman calls down to the desk
2035
01:40:10,457 --> 01:40:13,180
and the desk comes up and says,
"Hey, you guys gotta leave."
2036
01:40:14,067 --> 01:40:15,906
"Well, that ain't no problem,
we'll get our manager to get
2037
01:40:15,907 --> 01:40:17,583
"another hotel."
2038
01:40:17,584 --> 01:40:19,463
There was a convention in town.
2039
01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:24,405
That was the last hotel
that had any rooms, okay.
2040
01:40:24,406 --> 01:40:27,370
So now they're mad with me
because I can't get them
2041
01:40:27,371 --> 01:40:28,695
a room in the middle of the night.
2042
01:40:28,696 --> 01:40:29,860
I said, "Let me tell you something,
2043
01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:33,806
"this just goes to show you
why you shouldn't be doing
2044
01:40:33,807 --> 01:40:35,939
"this dumb shit."
2045
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:37,756
- [Voiceover] In August
the band members returned
2046
01:40:37,757 --> 01:40:39,772
to Jacksonville and back
in the relatively tranquil
2047
01:40:39,773 --> 01:40:42,866
environment of their home
turf were able to recover
2048
01:40:42,867 --> 01:40:44,741
from their excesses.
2049
01:40:44,742 --> 01:40:47,897
Work soon began at Hell House
and new material however,
2050
01:40:47,898 --> 01:40:50,287
with a creative partnership
of Ed King and Ronnie Van Zant
2051
01:40:50,288 --> 01:40:51,464
continued to thrive.
2052
01:40:52,328 --> 01:40:54,272
- I came to rehearsal with this groove
2053
01:40:54,273 --> 01:40:55,398
that Ronnie really liked.
2054
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:57,613
Actually Ronnie contributed to the groove.
2055
01:40:57,614 --> 01:40:59,453
It was the first time he ever did.
2056
01:40:59,454 --> 01:41:01,352
He says, "Look, I like that and the verses
2057
01:41:01,353 --> 01:41:03,193
"want you to do this and then go back
2058
01:41:03,194 --> 01:41:04,196
"to what you have."
2059
01:41:04,197 --> 01:41:06,107
Saturday Night Special
2060
01:41:06,108 --> 01:41:07,532
So I'm there rehearsing
with the band trying
2061
01:41:07,533 --> 01:41:09,794
to teach them the groove
and Ronnie's over there
2062
01:41:09,795 --> 01:41:12,830
in the corner and after
about 20 minutes Ronnie comes
2063
01:41:12,831 --> 01:41:15,010
up to me, not on the mic
which he usually did,
2064
01:41:15,011 --> 01:41:18,937
sing for everybody, this
is really, this tore me up.
2065
01:41:18,938 --> 01:41:22,360
He cupped my ear with his hand
2066
01:41:22,361 --> 01:41:23,420
and he sung to me.
2067
01:41:24,681 --> 01:41:27,803
"Two feets they come a creepin
2068
01:41:28,784 --> 01:41:30,934
"like a black cat do."
2069
01:41:30,935 --> 01:41:33,236
You know, and he sang
the whole verse to me.
2070
01:41:37,746 --> 01:41:41,730
♪ Two thiefs they come a creepin' ♪
2071
01:41:41,731 --> 01:41:45,633
♪ Like a black cat do ♪
2072
01:41:45,634 --> 01:41:49,653
♪ Two bodies laying necked ♪
2073
01:41:49,654 --> 01:41:53,639
♪ Creeper think he got nothing to lose ♪
2074
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,776
♪ So he creeps into the house, Lord ♪
2075
01:41:57,777 --> 01:42:01,691
♪ Unlocks the door ♪
2076
01:42:01,692 --> 01:42:05,618
♪ And as a man's reaching
for his trousers ♪
2077
01:42:05,619 --> 01:42:09,814
♪ Shoots him full of bullet holes ♪
2078
01:42:09,815 --> 01:42:14,011
♪ Mister Saturday night special ♪
2079
01:42:14,012 --> 01:42:15,819
- I mean I feel inspired
now just thinking about it.
2080
01:42:15,820 --> 01:42:19,205
I went right to the chorus
and then he wrote the chorus.
2081
01:42:19,206 --> 01:42:21,397
So he had a verse and a chorus,
2082
01:42:21,398 --> 01:42:22,510
went to go fishing.
2083
01:42:22,511 --> 01:42:24,468
He went fishing, you know.
2084
01:42:24,469 --> 01:42:25,921
- [Voiceover] Although
Saturday Night Special
2085
01:42:25,922 --> 01:42:28,418
developed quickly the
rehearsals also highlighted
2086
01:42:28,419 --> 01:42:31,348
the limitations of drummer
Bob Burns who was struggling
2087
01:42:31,349 --> 01:42:33,762
to recover from the heavy
touring during the first half
2088
01:42:33,763 --> 01:42:35,204
of the year.
2089
01:42:35,205 --> 01:42:37,701
Although Ronnie Van Zant
started looking for a temporary
2090
01:42:37,702 --> 01:42:40,830
replacement, Burns himself
sensed that his time with Skynyrd
2091
01:42:40,831 --> 01:42:41,995
was coming to an end.
2092
01:42:43,012 --> 01:42:44,926
- I just got so burned out.
2093
01:42:45,896 --> 01:42:48,865
What they were asking for I just
2094
01:42:50,538 --> 01:42:52,487
had had so much of it
2095
01:42:53,668 --> 01:42:55,065
and for so long
2096
01:43:00,724 --> 01:43:02,732
I just told them to get another drummer.
2097
01:43:05,353 --> 01:43:06,787
You see the way I'm playing
2098
01:43:11,121 --> 01:43:14,694
and I developed some
pretty serious illnesses
2099
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:22,274
to keep me where I
couldn't play correctly.
2100
01:43:22,275 --> 01:43:24,325
- We tried to rehearse Saturday
Night Special with him,
2101
01:43:24,326 --> 01:43:25,836
but it just wasn't right.
2102
01:43:25,837 --> 01:43:29,162
Leon and I went to Atlanta
and auditioned Artimus Pyle
2103
01:43:29,163 --> 01:43:32,022
who was a good friend of
the Marshall Tucker boys.
2104
01:43:32,023 --> 01:43:36,242
Al Kooper dropped by and
said, "You know that song
2105
01:43:36,243 --> 01:43:39,019
"you guys worked up,
Saturday Night Special,
2106
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:40,429
"why don't you work that up with Artimus
2107
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:44,286
"because it's gonna be in
this movie, The Longest Yard."
2108
01:43:44,287 --> 01:43:46,303
So we started working up with Artimus
2109
01:43:46,304 --> 01:43:48,190
and Al liked what he heard and he said,
2110
01:43:48,191 --> 01:43:50,511
"Go over to Studio one and record it."
2111
01:43:50,512 --> 01:43:52,104
So we did.
2112
01:43:52,105 --> 01:43:54,174
- [Voiceover] Artimus Pyle
who had previously worked
2113
01:43:54,175 --> 01:43:57,074
with Charlie Daniels proved a
perfect replacement for Burns.
2114
01:43:57,926 --> 01:44:00,461
♪ For 20 dollars you can
buy yourself one too ♪
2115
01:44:02,251 --> 01:44:03,481
- Well, he was very good.
2116
01:44:03,482 --> 01:44:05,309
I thought he was better than Bob.
2117
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:07,431
It was a good thing for the band,
2118
01:44:07,432 --> 01:44:10,690
musically it was really a
good thing for the band.
2119
01:44:10,691 --> 01:44:13,597
- Ronnie called me
after talking to Charlie
2120
01:44:13,598 --> 01:44:15,789
and after talking to the Caldwell brothers
2121
01:44:15,790 --> 01:44:18,472
Toy and Tommy, I think
Charlie said something
2122
01:44:18,473 --> 01:44:20,864
to the effect of, "I know
a guy that's crazy enough
2123
01:44:20,865 --> 01:44:22,821
"to be in your band, Ronnie.
2124
01:44:22,822 --> 01:44:26,003
"He's as crazy or
crazier than all of you."
2125
01:44:27,875 --> 01:44:31,578
To be the drummer of Skynyrd
you have to be a little crazy.
2126
01:44:31,579 --> 01:44:35,036
Ed knew that Bob had to take a break
2127
01:44:35,037 --> 01:44:37,064
and they needed somebody, so I was
2128
01:44:37,065 --> 01:44:40,386
Mister Somebody and I was thrilled.
2129
01:44:41,706 --> 01:44:43,804
- [Voiceover] During this
break in their touring schedule
2130
01:44:43,805 --> 01:44:46,534
Van Zant also actively sought
to severe the band's ties
2131
01:44:46,535 --> 01:44:49,301
with Alan Walden and another
option was interested
2132
01:44:49,302 --> 01:44:50,954
and available.
2133
01:44:50,955 --> 01:44:53,673
British manager Peter Rutch
who had been overseeing
2134
01:44:53,674 --> 01:44:56,885
The Who's affairs since 1971 was over awed
2135
01:44:56,886 --> 01:44:59,756
by Skynyrd shows opening
the Quadrophenia tour
2136
01:44:59,757 --> 01:45:02,242
and had let Van Zant know that
if the nature of the band's
2137
01:45:02,243 --> 01:45:04,387
relationship changed with Walden he'd
2138
01:45:04,388 --> 01:45:05,681
happily take his place.
2139
01:45:06,662 --> 01:45:10,411
- It was heart-breaking to
me, but at the same time
2140
01:45:10,412 --> 01:45:13,951
it was like a big old
concrete block falling off
2141
01:45:13,952 --> 01:45:15,557
of my shoulders.
2142
01:45:15,558 --> 01:45:17,261
- I don't think Ronnie trusted Alan.
2143
01:45:19,086 --> 01:45:21,218
Didn't think for where the band was headed
2144
01:45:21,219 --> 01:45:23,434
that Alan was the right guy.
2145
01:45:23,435 --> 01:45:24,970
Needed somebody bigger.
2146
01:45:24,971 --> 01:45:28,838
I and I think Peter Rutch,
you know not many people
2147
01:45:28,839 --> 01:45:32,073
could get to Ronnie as far
as making an impression
2148
01:45:32,074 --> 01:45:36,801
on him because Ronnie could
suss you out pretty quick.
2149
01:45:37,641 --> 01:45:39,363
I mean real, real fast.
2150
01:45:39,364 --> 01:45:42,446
He was very, very bright,
but Peter Rutch I think
2151
01:45:42,447 --> 01:45:44,380
put one over on him.
2152
01:45:44,381 --> 01:45:47,650
Not that Peter Rutch was
deceptive or anything
2153
01:45:47,651 --> 01:45:50,850
except Ronnie was
overwhelmed by Peter's accent
2154
01:45:50,851 --> 01:45:53,581
his demeanor, just Peter was the guy.
2155
01:45:53,582 --> 01:45:55,996
Of course, Peter managed
The Who, and Tanya Tucker,
2156
01:45:55,997 --> 01:45:58,005
and The Stones, so why
wouldn't he be, you know.
2157
01:45:58,916 --> 01:46:00,884
- [Voiceover] Rutch took
over shortly before Skynyrd
2158
01:46:00,885 --> 01:46:03,252
was due to head to Europe
for their first non-domestic
2159
01:46:03,253 --> 01:46:06,504
tour to capitalize on their
surging popularity overseas.
2160
01:46:07,461 --> 01:46:09,804
The issue of a drummer now became pressing
2161
01:46:09,805 --> 01:46:11,996
as they still hadn't
formerly invited Artimus Pyle
2162
01:46:11,997 --> 01:46:14,270
to take on the roll full time.
2163
01:46:14,271 --> 01:46:16,754
And a flagging Bob Burns
was reluctantly taken along
2164
01:46:16,755 --> 01:46:18,126
for the show.
2165
01:46:18,127 --> 01:46:20,769
It would prove to be the end
of his journey with the band.
2166
01:46:22,464 --> 01:46:27,175
- They were kind of phasing
Bob out, but they had to go do
2167
01:46:27,176 --> 01:46:30,199
a European tour and there
wasn't time to teach me the
2168
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:35,129
entire set, so for a little short time,
2169
01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:38,141
just maybe two weeks we were on the road
2170
01:46:38,142 --> 01:46:41,197
and Bob and I played
together, one little tour.
2171
01:46:41,198 --> 01:46:44,497
And then they went to
Paris and Bob had a nervous
2172
01:46:44,498 --> 01:46:46,092
breakdown.
2173
01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:47,205
- I don't think it was drugs.
2174
01:46:47,206 --> 01:46:48,870
I don't think it was drugs.
2175
01:46:48,871 --> 01:46:51,331
I think Bob was under a lot of pressure.
2176
01:46:51,332 --> 01:46:53,699
There was times on stage
where he would lose his place
2177
01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:57,813
in songs and none of us
got on Bob that much,
2178
01:46:57,814 --> 01:46:59,279
but Ronnie sure did.
2179
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:02,830
I mean if you messed up, Ronnie
would get on you real bad.
2180
01:47:02,831 --> 01:47:06,288
In Europe one night, one
morning, early morning
2181
01:47:06,289 --> 01:47:09,206
we had a bus ride and
Ronnie got on Bob's case
2182
01:47:09,207 --> 01:47:12,106
about the night before,
just really, really, bad
2183
01:47:13,134 --> 01:47:14,844
and Bob lost it.
2184
01:47:14,845 --> 01:47:19,840
♪ Oh, 9000 dollars,
that's all we could win ♪
2185
01:47:20,918 --> 01:47:23,004
♪ But we smiled at the Yankee Slicker ♪
2186
01:47:23,005 --> 01:47:26,392
♪ With a big ol' Southern grin ♪
2187
01:47:26,393 --> 01:47:28,923
♪ They're gonna take me
out to California gonna ♪
2188
01:47:28,924 --> 01:47:32,135
♪ Make me a superstar ♪
2189
01:47:32,136 --> 01:47:34,421
♪ Just pay me all of my money ♪
2190
01:47:34,422 --> 01:47:37,855
♪ And mister maybe you won't get a scar ♪
2191
01:47:37,856 --> 01:47:40,704
♪ Should have signed the contract ♪
2192
01:47:40,705 --> 01:47:43,528
♪ Should have signed today ♪
2193
01:47:43,529 --> 01:47:46,106
♪ Gonna give you lots of money ♪
2194
01:47:46,107 --> 01:47:48,385
♪ Workin' for MCA ♪
2195
01:47:49,308 --> 01:47:51,299
- It was a good tour.
2196
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:53,151
We played some damn good music.
2197
01:47:53,152 --> 01:47:55,237
I kept a diary of it.
2198
01:47:55,238 --> 01:47:57,817
I got road fatigue, you know.
2199
01:47:57,818 --> 01:47:59,410
I wasn't eating right.
2200
01:47:59,411 --> 01:48:01,462
I wasn't sleeping right.
2201
01:48:01,463 --> 01:48:03,360
I was down to skin and bones.
2202
01:48:03,361 --> 01:48:04,561
I wasn't eating.
2203
01:48:06,415 --> 01:48:10,060
All the perverted sex, you know,
2204
01:48:10,061 --> 01:48:13,921
I didn't think it was perverted back then,
2205
01:48:15,074 --> 01:48:19,555
later on in my older
life I can see, wow, man.
2206
01:48:22,412 --> 01:48:24,814
My mind just blew a 50 amp fuse.
2207
01:48:24,815 --> 01:48:26,888
I pushed so hard.
2208
01:48:26,889 --> 01:48:31,589
I pushed harder than a man
should ever push himself.
2209
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:34,121
I snapped a 50 amp fuse.
2210
01:48:34,122 --> 01:48:35,462
Had to go in the hospital.
2211
01:48:36,454 --> 01:48:37,754
- It was sad.
2212
01:48:37,755 --> 01:48:38,938
It was really sad.
2213
01:48:38,939 --> 01:48:42,267
I think it just because the
band was just overworked.
2214
01:48:42,268 --> 01:48:44,873
We were under Peter's
direction at the time
2215
01:48:46,171 --> 01:48:48,449
and we hadn't really had much
of a break that whole year.
2216
01:48:49,324 --> 01:48:52,899
What happened with Bob in
England, I could go into detail,
2217
01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:54,152
but I'd really rather not.
2218
01:48:54,153 --> 01:48:57,017
He just had a breakdown of all breakdowns.
2219
01:48:58,713 --> 01:49:01,045
it was quite visible to everyone.
2220
01:49:01,046 --> 01:49:03,811
It was so bad the hotel guy kicked us out.
2221
01:49:03,812 --> 01:49:05,128
Wouldn't let us come back.
2222
01:49:07,258 --> 01:49:09,543
Actually he threw the
house cat out the window
2223
01:49:09,544 --> 01:49:11,294
and killed him from five stories above
2224
01:49:13,014 --> 01:49:15,290
and it got worse after that.
2225
01:49:16,776 --> 01:49:17,631
Yeah, it was sad.
2226
01:49:17,632 --> 01:49:18,814
It didn't have to happen.
2227
01:49:18,815 --> 01:49:21,229
Bob had grown up with these guys.
2228
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:23,683
I think if we just
handled our tours better.
2229
01:49:24,582 --> 01:49:27,431
Nobody who managed the band really saw
2230
01:49:27,432 --> 01:49:30,116
any longevity, of course
how could you back then?
2231
01:49:30,117 --> 01:49:32,582
It was just good, go for all
the money you can right now.
2232
01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:35,625
- [Voiceover] The relentless
nature of the Skynyrd schedule
2233
01:49:35,626 --> 01:49:38,075
continued directly for all the tour.
2234
01:49:38,076 --> 01:49:41,087
Returning to the US in late December 1975
2235
01:49:41,088 --> 01:49:44,546
by January 6th the were
booked into WEBB IV studios
2236
01:49:44,547 --> 01:49:46,207
in Atlanta to record a new album.
2237
01:49:47,267 --> 01:49:49,548
Artimus Pyle had now been drafted in
2238
01:49:49,549 --> 01:49:52,392
as a replacement for
Bob Burns and Al Kooper
2239
01:49:52,393 --> 01:49:54,409
was once again present as a producer
2240
01:49:54,410 --> 01:49:56,928
despite MCA having recently bought out his
2241
01:49:56,929 --> 01:49:59,613
Sounds Of The South deal with the band.
2242
01:49:59,614 --> 01:50:01,758
Yet, his circumstances
were totally foreign
2243
01:50:01,759 --> 01:50:03,328
to all involved.
2244
01:50:03,329 --> 01:50:05,696
With no time to compose
new material during the
2245
01:50:05,697 --> 01:50:09,271
previous year Skynyrd
had 21 days to both write
2246
01:50:09,272 --> 01:50:10,971
and record the album.
2247
01:50:10,972 --> 01:50:12,940
- We were putting out a
new album, new material
2248
01:50:12,941 --> 01:50:14,031
every nine months.
2249
01:50:14,032 --> 01:50:15,859
Bands don't do that today.
2250
01:50:15,860 --> 01:50:18,191
It might take two or
three years, you know?
2251
01:50:18,192 --> 01:50:20,068
But they wanted new
product every nine months
2252
01:50:20,069 --> 01:50:23,760
which I thought was just way too much.
2253
01:50:23,761 --> 01:50:27,728
Nuthin' Fancy was written
and recorded in the studio.
2254
01:50:27,729 --> 01:50:30,811
Up until this time everything
was written at Hell House,
2255
01:50:30,812 --> 01:50:32,827
thoroughly rehearsed,
maybe played once or twice
2256
01:50:32,828 --> 01:50:35,388
in front of people, then
taken in the studio.
2257
01:50:35,389 --> 01:50:36,818
- We had a month.
2258
01:50:36,819 --> 01:50:38,804
We were in Atlanta.
2259
01:50:40,196 --> 01:50:44,321
I said, "I'm gonna go to New York
2260
01:50:45,618 --> 01:50:47,228
"for two weeks,
2261
01:50:48,303 --> 01:50:51,577
"and I'm gonna party my brains out.
2262
01:50:54,831 --> 01:50:58,756
"This is your time to
do what you normally do,
2263
01:50:58,757 --> 01:51:00,742
"but you only have two weeks to do it."
2264
01:51:02,151 --> 01:51:05,245
I came back and it was
what I thought it would be
2265
01:51:05,246 --> 01:51:08,773
which is it was almost done.
2266
01:51:08,774 --> 01:51:12,992
This was a very tense making of a record.
2267
01:51:12,993 --> 01:51:17,013
There was no fun involved
for me what-so-ever.
2268
01:51:17,014 --> 01:51:19,862
- Things changed with
our relationship with Al.
2269
01:51:19,863 --> 01:51:21,538
It was really out of control.
2270
01:51:21,539 --> 01:51:23,730
There was times at the
studio when other band
2271
01:51:23,731 --> 01:51:25,757
members would bring all their friends by.
2272
01:51:25,758 --> 01:51:27,586
All these people coming and going
2273
01:51:27,587 --> 01:51:30,868
and lots of drugs, beer which we never had
2274
01:51:30,869 --> 01:51:31,830
at Hell House.
2275
01:51:31,831 --> 01:51:34,459
At Hell House it was all business.
2276
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:37,479
Nuthin' Fancy was just difficult
2277
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:40,797
and Al was totally fed
up and understandably so.
2278
01:51:40,798 --> 01:51:43,915
It was really hard for him
because they were really
2279
01:51:43,916 --> 01:51:46,474
everybody was really
putting it in his face.
2280
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,077
He was a Yankee and it
really got tough for Al.
2281
01:51:51,078 --> 01:51:53,521
- [Voiceover] With no one
satisfied with the situation
2282
01:51:53,522 --> 01:51:55,174
the music itself suffered.
2283
01:51:55,175 --> 01:51:56,610
Yet, the hectic schedule that had been
2284
01:51:56,611 --> 01:51:58,854
imposed on the band was
apparently inflexible.
2285
01:51:59,835 --> 01:52:02,752
It not only proved detrimental
to the album itself
2286
01:52:02,753 --> 01:52:05,120
but also spelled the end
of Skynyrd's creative
2287
01:52:05,121 --> 01:52:06,726
partnership with Kooper.
2288
01:52:06,727 --> 01:52:09,575
- The last song on the
record Ronnie has a head cold
2289
01:52:09,576 --> 01:52:12,282
that's so bad, you can just tell.
2290
01:52:12,283 --> 01:52:15,025
There are sections on it
that needed to be redone
2291
01:52:15,026 --> 01:52:16,185
maybe expanded.
2292
01:52:16,186 --> 01:52:17,608
It was just unfinished record.
2293
01:52:19,187 --> 01:52:23,359
But yet the minute it was
over, the rest of the band
2294
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,195
was on a bus going to
Detroit to start a tour
2295
01:52:26,196 --> 01:52:28,070
the second it was over.
2296
01:52:28,071 --> 01:52:30,169
Ronnie and I stayed
back to finish the vocal
2297
01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:32,073
on Whisky Rock and
Roller, then we both took
2298
01:52:32,074 --> 01:52:34,277
a plane to Detroit to meet the band
2299
01:52:34,278 --> 01:52:36,141
and then the tour just started.
2300
01:52:36,142 --> 01:52:39,369
- I remember vividly the last day.
2301
01:52:41,077 --> 01:52:43,784
The tour bus was parked outside.
2302
01:52:43,785 --> 01:52:45,272
It wasn't like they were gonna go home
2303
01:52:45,273 --> 01:52:47,276
and get ready to tour.
2304
01:52:47,277 --> 01:52:50,160
The tour bus was there and
they were going right out
2305
01:52:50,161 --> 01:52:52,610
and they were gonna start touring.
2306
01:52:52,611 --> 01:52:56,267
I thought to myself while
all this was going on,
2307
01:52:56,268 --> 01:53:00,253
"I can't do this again.
2308
01:53:00,254 --> 01:53:02,455
"This is torture."
2309
01:53:02,456 --> 01:53:07,414
So I said to them, "I
would rather be your friend
2310
01:53:07,415 --> 01:53:10,244
"than be your producer from now on."
2311
01:53:12,362 --> 01:53:14,721
And I think you know,
they had had enough of me.
2312
01:53:15,854 --> 01:53:18,769
- [Voiceover] Issued in
late March in 1975 the album
2313
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:20,697
Nuthin Fancy peaked at number nine on the
2314
01:53:20,698 --> 01:53:21,981
Billboard Charts.
2315
01:53:21,982 --> 01:53:24,443
The band's first Top-10 album.
2316
01:53:24,444 --> 01:53:26,951
Yet, Van Zant himself
expressed his dissatisfaction
2317
01:53:26,952 --> 01:53:28,058
with the end result.
2318
01:53:29,602 --> 01:53:34,597
♪ Cheating woman make you crazy ♪
2319
01:53:36,482 --> 01:53:41,477
♪ Cheating woman make you a fool ♪
2320
01:53:43,198 --> 01:53:48,193
♪ She'll leave your house or home ♪
2321
01:53:50,301 --> 01:53:55,296
♪ Brother, there's
nothing that you can do ♪
2322
01:53:58,988 --> 01:54:02,819
♪ Well, I can't stand the pain no more ♪
2323
01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:06,078
♪ She don't want my love for sure ♪
2324
01:54:06,079 --> 01:54:11,074
♪ She don't want poor me ♪
2325
01:54:12,204 --> 01:54:15,490
♪ Oh knocking on her front door ♪
2326
01:54:17,152 --> 01:54:19,968
- I think it was a more laid back record
2327
01:54:21,043 --> 01:54:26,038
than the other two because they felt
2328
01:54:26,118 --> 01:54:28,439
comfortable in a way
2329
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:31,345
and they were trying to be even more
2330
01:54:31,346 --> 01:54:33,759
of themselves on that record
2331
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,877
and also they'd changed as human beings
2332
01:54:36,878 --> 01:54:41,873
over the course of the three albums.
2333
01:54:41,883 --> 01:54:46,879
♪ I pick cotton down on the Dixie line ♪
2334
01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:52,100
♪ I work all day tryin' to make a dime ♪
2335
01:54:52,101 --> 01:54:57,012
♪ But that's all right, that's OK by me ♪
2336
01:54:57,013 --> 01:55:02,008
♪ 'Cause that's the way
that it was meant to be ♪
2337
01:55:02,704 --> 01:55:07,699
♪ Big city, hard times never bother me ♪
2338
01:55:08,037 --> 01:55:11,580
♪ I'm a country boy, I'm
as happy as I can be ♪
2339
01:55:13,420 --> 01:55:14,905
- Do we sound like a tired band?
2340
01:55:14,906 --> 01:55:17,179
Well, the songs aren't as strong.
2341
01:55:17,180 --> 01:55:19,148
Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd
'Skin-'nérd and Second Helping
2342
01:55:19,149 --> 01:55:21,141
were really strong records,
you know they're like,
2343
01:55:21,142 --> 01:55:25,138
you know, like bang out of
the gate, like big time.
2344
01:55:25,139 --> 01:55:28,583
No sophomore jinx with them at all,
2345
01:55:28,584 --> 01:55:31,830
so their sophomore jinx
kind of came with their next
2346
01:55:31,831 --> 01:55:35,980
record although their
musicianship as players hadn't
2347
01:55:35,981 --> 01:55:39,508
dropped and their ability
to play like a great band
2348
01:55:39,509 --> 01:55:43,142
hadn't changed, but you
know, compositionally
2349
01:55:43,143 --> 01:55:46,717
those songs didn't stand the test of time.
2350
01:55:46,718 --> 01:55:48,335
- Nuthin' Fancy is a disappointing record
2351
01:55:48,336 --> 01:55:50,621
because it didn't have
any of the classic songs
2352
01:55:50,622 --> 01:55:54,037
that had defined Lynyrd
Skynyrd's first two albums.
2353
01:55:54,038 --> 01:55:56,593
it still sonically sounds pretty good.
2354
01:55:56,594 --> 01:55:58,609
They're introducing some new elements
2355
01:55:58,610 --> 01:56:01,504
with mandolin and other
stringed instruments
2356
01:56:01,505 --> 01:56:03,719
and it has a couple of really solid songs,
2357
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,725
Saturday Night Special,
Whiskey Rock and Roller
2358
01:56:07,788 --> 01:56:10,224
and maybe most poignantly Am I losing
2359
01:56:10,225 --> 01:56:12,616
which really seems to be Ronnie reflecting
2360
01:56:12,617 --> 01:56:17,612
on the band's state and his
own state as they struggle
2361
01:56:17,681 --> 01:56:20,457
with success and all
the problems that come
2362
01:56:20,458 --> 01:56:22,169
with success.
2363
01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:25,006
♪ I recall when I used to come home ♪
2364
01:56:25,007 --> 01:56:27,233
♪ Never had a dime ♪
2365
01:56:27,234 --> 01:56:32,229
♪ Lord, I always had a good time ♪
2366
01:56:32,731 --> 01:56:35,507
♪ I recall drinking wine ♪
2367
01:56:35,508 --> 01:56:38,321
♪ With one of my friends ♪
2368
01:56:38,322 --> 01:56:43,291
♪ Lord, can't go back again ♪
2369
01:56:43,292 --> 01:56:46,784
♪ Am I losing ♪
2370
01:56:46,785 --> 01:56:48,893
♪ My own way back home ♪
2371
01:56:48,894 --> 01:56:52,011
♪ Am I losing ♪
2372
01:56:52,012 --> 01:56:55,388
- That's an honest reflection
of what happens now.
2373
01:56:55,389 --> 01:56:56,560
Where am I now?
2374
01:56:56,561 --> 01:56:58,200
Am I losing what made me great,
2375
01:56:58,201 --> 01:57:00,252
what made me strong, what made me
2376
01:57:00,253 --> 01:57:01,506
who I am?
2377
01:57:01,507 --> 01:57:03,762
And I think that in itself
is a powerful statement.
2378
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:06,816
- [Voiceover] During the
recording of the album
2379
01:57:06,817 --> 01:57:09,501
new comer Artimus Pyle was
introduced into Skynyrd's
2380
01:57:09,502 --> 01:57:11,540
inner sanctum and the following few months
2381
01:57:11,541 --> 01:57:14,764
would prove a baptism
of fire for the drummer.
2382
01:57:14,765 --> 01:57:17,025
If life on the road for the
band had proven excessive
2383
01:57:17,026 --> 01:57:19,311
from previous tours, under the management
2384
01:57:19,312 --> 01:57:21,515
of Pete Rutch their parting increased
2385
01:57:21,516 --> 01:57:23,778
and as they moved directly from the studio
2386
01:57:23,779 --> 01:57:26,145
to the tour bus following
the Nuthin' Fancy
2387
01:57:26,146 --> 01:57:28,959
sessions the drink, drugs
and punch outs became
2388
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,975
a daily phenomenon once more.
2389
01:57:30,976 --> 01:57:32,298
- Yes, there were fights,
2390
01:57:32,299 --> 01:57:34,490
but I've never been afraid of a fight.
2391
01:57:34,491 --> 01:57:35,804
I can take a punch.
2392
01:57:35,805 --> 01:57:40,421
I just immediately integrated
into what I was doing
2393
01:57:40,422 --> 01:57:43,036
in their world, you know.
2394
01:57:43,037 --> 01:57:46,603
Which was a tour bus,
an airplane, a stage,
2395
01:57:47,549 --> 01:57:50,537
a tour bus, an airplane,
a stage, you know,
2396
01:57:50,538 --> 01:57:54,101
just a hotel room, hotel
room, tour bus, airplane,
2397
01:57:54,102 --> 01:57:57,722
stage, studio, studio,
you know, just those five
2398
01:57:57,723 --> 01:58:01,005
things in a row all the
time for three years.
2399
01:58:01,006 --> 01:58:03,759
Back in those days I enjoyed smoking weed,
2400
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,100
but the guys they were hard on themselves.
2401
01:58:07,101 --> 01:58:08,991
You can't burn the candle at both ends,
2402
01:58:10,254 --> 01:58:13,136
and expect to have your
energy up all the time.
2403
01:58:13,137 --> 01:58:15,504
I don't see how they functioned.
2404
01:58:15,505 --> 01:58:19,647
Backstage at our concert it
looked like an ABC store.
2405
01:58:20,487 --> 01:58:24,600
There were cases of
scotch, and cases of vodka,
2406
01:58:24,601 --> 01:58:27,882
and Jack Daniels, and cases of beer.
2407
01:58:27,883 --> 01:58:30,554
The promoter you know,
the promoter always trying
2408
01:58:30,555 --> 01:58:33,203
to make the band feel really good
2409
01:58:33,204 --> 01:58:34,810
and I never understood that.
2410
01:58:34,811 --> 01:58:37,798
They brought all this you
know cartons and cartons
2411
01:58:37,799 --> 01:58:41,702
of cigarettes and the
guys would my boys thought
2412
01:58:41,703 --> 01:58:44,632
that at every show we
played these big arenas,
2413
01:58:44,633 --> 01:58:47,879
stadiums ,all that stuff
that was backstage they were
2414
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:51,114
supposed to smoke and
drink all of it then.
2415
01:58:51,115 --> 01:58:53,224
- [Voiceover] Ronnie Van Zant
in particular was struggling
2416
01:58:53,225 --> 01:58:55,955
to control his intake which
had a disturbing effect
2417
01:58:55,956 --> 01:58:57,736
on his temperament.
2418
01:58:57,737 --> 01:59:00,316
Never one to back down
from conflict alcohol
2419
01:59:00,317 --> 01:59:03,785
not only fueled an inner
rage, but let him intimidate
2420
01:59:03,786 --> 01:59:06,657
and often physically
abused his own band mates.
2421
01:59:06,658 --> 01:59:10,397
- Ronnie was a maniac that
whole tour, just a maniac,
2422
01:59:10,398 --> 01:59:13,233
night after night something
traumatic would happen.
2423
01:59:13,234 --> 01:59:16,678
One time in Lake Charles,
Louisiana, Ronnie had vowed
2424
01:59:16,679 --> 01:59:18,750
well, he had vowed two weeks before that
2425
01:59:18,751 --> 01:59:21,071
to stop drinking and he did,
2426
01:59:21,072 --> 01:59:23,814
It was really he was a lot better.
2427
01:59:23,815 --> 01:59:26,405
I think he was miserable
but towards the second week
2428
01:59:26,406 --> 01:59:29,476
he got better, but something
snapped in Lake Charles
2429
01:59:29,477 --> 01:59:31,995
two weeks later where he just went crazy,
2430
01:59:31,996 --> 01:59:34,504
and he gathered everybody in the room.
2431
01:59:34,505 --> 01:59:36,145
He ripped off his shirt.
2432
01:59:36,146 --> 01:59:39,697
He grabbed a lamp on the
nightstand and broke it
2433
01:59:39,698 --> 01:59:42,087
against the night stand all
this jagged glass hanging
2434
01:59:42,088 --> 01:59:44,444
and he slammed me up against
the wall held it right
2435
01:59:44,445 --> 01:59:46,754
to my neck and he said,
"I don't want you to say
2436
01:59:46,755 --> 01:59:48,876
"a fucking word."
2437
01:59:48,877 --> 01:59:50,779
"Okay, no problem."
2438
01:59:54,175 --> 01:59:57,326
I can't remember really
what his gripe was.
2439
01:59:57,327 --> 01:59:59,272
"Y'all are stealing from me."
2440
01:59:59,273 --> 02:00:00,250
That was one thing .
2441
02:00:01,793 --> 02:00:06,029
I can't it was just
unjustified it was stupid.
2442
02:00:07,162 --> 02:00:09,763
- [Voiceover] As this run
of 61 shows aptly named
2443
02:00:09,764 --> 02:00:12,354
the torture tour continued across America
2444
02:00:12,355 --> 02:00:14,592
the camaraderie between
the band members quickly
2445
02:00:14,593 --> 02:00:17,288
began to break down exacerbated
by Van Zant's routinely
2446
02:00:17,289 --> 02:00:20,136
drunken and abusive behavior.
2447
02:00:20,137 --> 02:00:22,773
Struggling with both of
volatile atmosphere and his own
2448
02:00:22,774 --> 02:00:26,067
substance abuse issues Ed King
decided midway through the
2449
02:00:26,068 --> 02:00:28,518
tour that it was time to
take his exit from the world
2450
02:00:28,519 --> 02:00:30,634
of Skynyrd.
2451
02:00:30,635 --> 02:00:33,658
- Things started to fall apart
around the middle of May.
2452
02:00:33,659 --> 02:00:36,495
There were decisions just
being made that everybody
2453
02:00:36,496 --> 02:00:40,245
disagreed with and I didn't
think it would hurt to take a
2454
02:00:40,246 --> 02:00:44,782
month off and go rest
and maybe write some more
2455
02:00:44,783 --> 02:00:47,611
and get back in our
little groove that we had
2456
02:00:50,995 --> 02:00:53,949
and I know people will
disagree and say this is a lie,
2457
02:00:53,950 --> 02:00:56,093
but it's the absolute truth
because I have no reason
2458
02:00:56,094 --> 02:01:00,056
to lie, but Ronnie said to
me in front of everybody,
2459
02:01:00,057 --> 02:01:04,275
"Look man I've had it with
all this bickering back
2460
02:01:04,276 --> 02:01:07,721
"and forth management and
all this and I just want
2461
02:01:07,722 --> 02:01:09,086
"to focus on what I do.
2462
02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:12,332
" I'll let you you make the decisions.
2463
02:01:14,994 --> 02:01:18,462
"Just check it with me, but
you deal with them, you know."
2464
02:01:18,463 --> 02:01:19,320
So I did.
2465
02:01:19,321 --> 02:01:23,767
I told Peter Rutch I said,
" I wanna cut this tour
2466
02:01:23,768 --> 02:01:26,709
"and go home and rest take
at least maybe two weeks off,
2467
02:01:26,710 --> 02:01:29,346
"and maybe 2 weeks writing
and then resume it."
2468
02:01:30,257 --> 02:01:31,353
Well that was around the middle of May
2469
02:01:31,354 --> 02:01:33,362
and by the 26th of May
I was out of the band.
2470
02:01:36,851 --> 02:01:39,827
The only thing I can
surmise is that sometime
2471
02:01:39,828 --> 02:01:42,816
between then and the
26th of May somebody got
2472
02:01:42,817 --> 02:01:45,411
together with Ronnie and
said, "You know, you can't
2473
02:01:45,412 --> 02:01:48,379
"do this, you can't just stop a tour"
2474
02:01:50,697 --> 02:01:53,251
Then the pressure
started coming down on me
2475
02:01:53,252 --> 02:01:56,029
to move me out and
rather than move me out I
2476
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:57,951
just decided, "Well, this isn't worth it.
2477
02:01:57,952 --> 02:01:59,311
"I'm just going to leave."
2478
02:01:59,312 --> 02:02:02,459
- One night during the
making of Nuthin' Fancy I was
2479
02:02:02,460 --> 02:02:07,455
living in a hotel separate
from wherever they were living.
2480
02:02:07,736 --> 02:02:11,591
Ed came over one night and
he was complaining to me
2481
02:02:11,592 --> 02:02:15,177
about how much money he
had spent the last year
2482
02:02:15,178 --> 02:02:17,199
on serious drugs
2483
02:02:20,524 --> 02:02:22,352
and that he didn't know how much
2484
02:02:22,353 --> 02:02:24,548
longer he could stay in the band,
2485
02:02:27,581 --> 02:02:30,276
so I wasn't totally surprised
2486
02:02:30,277 --> 02:02:35,241
by that and if that's why he left
2487
02:02:35,242 --> 02:02:37,116
I was glad he left.
2488
02:02:37,117 --> 02:02:39,026
- I had my share of drugs, oh yeah,
2489
02:02:39,027 --> 02:02:41,652
and I'd had enough, too, yeah.
2490
02:02:41,653 --> 02:02:45,918
I'm not saying I was perfect
by no means you know,
2491
02:02:45,919 --> 02:02:48,919
but I know when I left the band
I knew the band wasn't going
2492
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:50,314
to end well.
2493
02:02:50,315 --> 02:02:52,008
I had no idea it would end like it did,
2494
02:02:52,009 --> 02:02:53,977
but it wasn't going to end
well and I really didn't want
2495
02:02:53,978 --> 02:02:57,705
to be a part of it after
that because my creativity
2496
02:02:57,706 --> 02:03:01,333
at that point was shot, really
there's just so much friction
2497
02:03:01,334 --> 02:03:03,121
and everybody needed some rest.
2498
02:03:03,122 --> 02:03:05,890
People don't come to your
hotel room crying and saying
2499
02:03:05,891 --> 02:03:08,796
they need a break if they
are just kidding, you know.
2500
02:03:08,797 --> 02:03:10,805
I mean it was some mental stuff going on.
2501
02:03:12,078 --> 02:03:13,683
- [Voiceover] Now a man down
2502
02:03:13,684 --> 02:03:15,582
in July they rode back to Florida,
2503
02:03:15,583 --> 02:03:18,542
to close the tour at the
Jacksonville Coliseum.
2504
02:03:18,543 --> 02:03:20,418
Despite the tensions within the group,
2505
02:03:20,419 --> 02:03:22,417
the hotels damaged and the various run-ins
2506
02:03:22,418 --> 02:03:25,328
with the police for their
audiences had for most part
2507
02:03:25,329 --> 02:03:28,395
seen no knock on effect
for the show themselves.
2508
02:03:28,396 --> 02:03:30,289
Yet, back in their own stomping grounds
2509
02:03:30,290 --> 02:03:31,912
things finally fell apart.
2510
02:03:32,916 --> 02:03:36,602
End of the '75 torture tour,
the hometown boys came home.
2511
02:03:36,603 --> 02:03:37,938
Big deal, right?
2512
02:03:37,939 --> 02:03:41,356
We get into town and a
guy named Sidney Drashin
2513
02:03:41,357 --> 02:03:44,608
he's the promoter, he brings a big fat bag
2514
02:03:44,609 --> 02:03:46,296
of pure cocaine.
2515
02:03:46,297 --> 02:03:47,902
Well everybody gets into it.
2516
02:03:47,903 --> 02:03:50,961
Charlie Daniels open the
show then we came out
2517
02:03:50,962 --> 02:03:54,491
and played like four songs
2518
02:03:54,492 --> 02:03:57,562
and Ronnie collapsed.
2519
02:03:57,563 --> 02:03:59,753
Charlie Daniels came
out and jammed with us,
2520
02:03:59,754 --> 02:04:02,290
tried to kind of save the day,
2521
02:04:03,341 --> 02:04:05,333
but it just wasn't enough for the crowd
2522
02:04:05,334 --> 02:04:07,701
because we didn't do the whole set.
2523
02:04:07,702 --> 02:04:10,525
The crowd was like carnivores you know,
2524
02:04:10,526 --> 02:04:11,826
(growls)
2525
02:04:11,827 --> 02:04:13,467
They wanted that music
2526
02:04:13,468 --> 02:04:16,292
and we couldn't deliver that night.
2527
02:04:16,293 --> 02:04:19,872
Even doing Free Bird when
we went to the fast part
2528
02:04:20,853 --> 02:04:23,618
I will never forget leaving
the stage and looking back
2529
02:04:23,619 --> 02:04:27,568
and seeing glass bottles
bouncing off my drums.
2530
02:04:27,569 --> 02:04:31,987
- The amazing thing is how
little Peter Rutch cared.
2531
02:04:31,988 --> 02:04:34,190
He's doing tons of cocaine himself.
2532
02:04:34,191 --> 02:04:35,937
This is no secret.
2533
02:04:35,938 --> 02:04:38,036
And he's encouraging all this coke use.
2534
02:04:38,037 --> 02:04:41,025
Looking back I can't even fathom it.
2535
02:04:41,026 --> 02:04:43,720
Alan Walden would have never done that.
2536
02:04:43,721 --> 02:04:45,701
He never would have met them at an airport
2537
02:04:45,702 --> 02:04:48,678
with coke for them to
do or take on a plane.
2538
02:04:48,679 --> 02:04:50,132
They were kicked off planes.
2539
02:04:50,133 --> 02:04:53,683
They were refused flights
because when they would
2540
02:04:53,684 --> 02:04:56,403
get drunk and stoned on a
plane it would be a physical
2541
02:04:56,404 --> 02:05:00,417
threat to the plane
going down, ironically.
2542
02:05:01,257 --> 02:05:05,217
Ronnie, so the story goes
tried to throw a groupie
2543
02:05:05,218 --> 02:05:08,523
out of a plane at 35,000 feet,
2544
02:05:08,524 --> 02:05:11,910
Tried to open the back, the door and throw
2545
02:05:11,911 --> 02:05:13,223
a guy out.
2546
02:05:13,224 --> 02:05:15,895
These are guys in big, big trouble.
2547
02:05:15,896 --> 02:05:19,201
Making great music, but in big trouble
2548
02:05:19,202 --> 02:05:21,194
and nobody cared.
2549
02:05:21,195 --> 02:05:23,233
- [Voiceover] Following a
much needed Summer break
2550
02:05:23,234 --> 02:05:26,504
the band returned for
further shows in August '75
2551
02:05:26,505 --> 02:05:29,504
including a number of dates
supporting Peter Frampton.
2552
02:05:29,505 --> 02:05:32,141
At the same time with only
nine months past since
2553
02:05:32,142 --> 02:05:35,048
they had completed Nuthin'
Fancy plans were already
2554
02:05:35,049 --> 02:05:37,041
under way for Skynyrd
to return to the studio
2555
02:05:37,042 --> 02:05:39,162
to begin work on a fourth album.
2556
02:05:39,163 --> 02:05:41,929
Without Al Kooper to oversee
the recordings Peter Rutch
2557
02:05:41,930 --> 02:05:44,332
arranged for Van Zant and
his bandmates to meet with
2558
02:05:44,333 --> 02:05:47,320
legendary producer Tom Dowd
who had begun his career
2559
02:05:47,321 --> 02:05:50,743
in jazz before moving
into soul and then rock.
2560
02:05:50,744 --> 02:05:53,873
Operating out of Criteria
Studios in Miami, Dowd
2561
02:05:53,874 --> 02:05:56,358
seemed an obvious choice
having been the producer
2562
02:05:56,359 --> 02:05:58,937
behind The Allman Brothers
Band's break-through albums.
2563
02:05:58,938 --> 02:06:02,640
In September 300 miles
South of their home town,
2564
02:06:02,641 --> 02:06:05,665
SKynyrd began recording
Gimme Back My Bullets.
2565
02:06:05,666 --> 02:06:07,107
- They liked Dowd.
2566
02:06:07,108 --> 02:06:09,673
How do you not like a guy
with that kind of record?
2567
02:06:09,674 --> 02:06:14,655
He's tremendous, pivotal
figure in the music industry.
2568
02:06:14,656 --> 02:06:18,378
The whole thing with Tom Dowd
was sort of a master plan
2569
02:06:18,379 --> 02:06:21,590
to get Skynyrd to go to Atlantic Records.
2570
02:06:21,591 --> 02:06:22,808
It was a whole thing.
2571
02:06:22,809 --> 02:06:25,820
We're gonna move off MCA, you know.
2572
02:06:25,821 --> 02:06:27,321
We're sick and tired of these guys.
2573
02:06:27,322 --> 02:06:28,435
We're not getting paid enough.
2574
02:06:28,436 --> 02:06:30,931
It was sort of a plan
where it was going to be
2575
02:06:30,932 --> 02:06:31,986
an incremental thing.
2576
02:06:31,987 --> 02:06:35,350
The skins would be
greased by having Tom Dowd
2577
02:06:35,351 --> 02:06:37,108
do their album and they
they would just make a break
2578
02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:38,116
completely.
2579
02:06:38,117 --> 02:06:42,172
- They respected Tom as
like a Father figure.
2580
02:06:42,173 --> 02:06:46,051
Al Kooper was like one
of the bros, you know?
2581
02:06:46,052 --> 02:06:48,537
Al should have been
put out on a little bit
2582
02:06:48,538 --> 02:06:49,709
of a pedestal.
2583
02:06:49,710 --> 02:06:52,733
Al should have be given a
little bit more respect.
2584
02:06:52,734 --> 02:06:56,132
Tom Dowd, they called him Father Dowd.
2585
02:06:56,133 --> 02:07:01,129
Tom liked to rehearse
parts and go over things.
2586
02:07:01,139 --> 02:07:04,267
He was meticulous and had good ideas.
2587
02:07:04,268 --> 02:07:06,975
And yes, Ed was missed.
2588
02:07:06,976 --> 02:07:08,745
I missed Ed.
2589
02:07:08,746 --> 02:07:12,308
And Ronnie missed that guy
that he wrote songs with,
2590
02:07:12,309 --> 02:07:17,304
but the sessions were better
on Gimme Back My Bullets
2591
02:07:17,630 --> 02:07:20,373
because we were a little more prepared.
2592
02:07:20,374 --> 02:07:22,768
Some songs had been written on the road
2593
02:07:23,631 --> 02:07:25,495
and on break.
2594
02:07:25,496 --> 02:07:27,734
There was some material
that had been looked at.
2595
02:07:41,788 --> 02:07:44,284
- [Voiceover] Completed in November 1975
2596
02:07:44,285 --> 02:07:46,171
Gimme Back My Bullets was rushed released
2597
02:07:46,172 --> 02:07:48,363
and out in stores the following February.
2598
02:07:48,364 --> 02:07:50,356
Yet, there were signs
that Skynyrd were losing
2599
02:07:50,357 --> 02:07:51,716
their wider appeal.
2600
02:07:51,717 --> 02:07:53,908
Although it was the first
of their albums to chart
2601
02:07:53,909 --> 02:07:56,158
in the UK, where they
were steadily amassing
2602
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:57,858
a significant fan base.
2603
02:07:57,859 --> 02:08:00,190
In the US it sold disappointingly.
2604
02:08:00,191 --> 02:08:03,179
It's lead single Double
Trouble peaking at number 80
2605
02:08:03,180 --> 02:08:04,609
on the Billboard Chart.
2606
02:08:04,610 --> 02:08:06,860
Without Ed King's input as a song writer
2607
02:08:06,861 --> 02:08:09,040
or Al Kooper's slick production, for many
2608
02:08:09,041 --> 02:08:12,263
it was a sign that the band
were in a creative rut.
2609
02:08:12,264 --> 02:08:16,236
- The thing that I really
contributed to those records
2610
02:08:16,237 --> 02:08:19,250
was capturing the sound of the band
2611
02:08:19,251 --> 02:08:22,402
and using the studio
2612
02:08:23,594 --> 02:08:26,090
to enhance it even further
2613
02:08:26,091 --> 02:08:30,595
than it was and the best way to judge that
2614
02:08:31,717 --> 02:08:33,643
is I did the first three albums
2615
02:08:35,023 --> 02:08:37,250
and is to listen to the fourth album
2616
02:08:38,184 --> 02:08:42,830
because it's devoid of anything that I did
2617
02:08:42,831 --> 02:08:44,682
which surprised me.
2618
02:08:44,683 --> 02:08:47,121
It just made them sound
like an average band
2619
02:08:47,122 --> 02:08:49,851
which they weren't and I was disappointed.
2620
02:08:49,852 --> 02:08:53,150
I remember getting the actual LP
2621
02:08:54,764 --> 02:08:56,615
and I didn't know how I was going to feel
2622
02:08:56,616 --> 02:08:58,127
about it.
2623
02:08:58,128 --> 02:09:00,952
I took it out and put it on the turntable
2624
02:09:00,953 --> 02:09:03,801
and as I was putting
the needle down I said,
2625
02:09:03,802 --> 02:09:06,008
"Knock me on my ass, please."
2626
02:09:08,537 --> 02:09:09,279
So then I knew.
2627
02:09:10,224 --> 02:09:11,482
I wanted it to be good.
2628
02:09:13,307 --> 02:09:15,181
I was very disappointed
2629
02:09:15,182 --> 02:09:17,092
and I felt bad for them.
2630
02:09:17,093 --> 02:09:22,039
♪ Life is so strange when
it's changing, yes in deed ♪
2631
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:23,856
♪ Well, I've seen the hard times ♪
2632
02:09:23,857 --> 02:09:27,115
♪ And the pressure's been on me ♪
2633
02:09:27,116 --> 02:09:29,247
♪ But I keep on workin' ♪
2634
02:09:29,248 --> 02:09:32,353
♪ Like a workin' man do ♪
2635
02:09:32,354 --> 02:09:34,569
♪ And I got my act together ♪
2636
02:09:34,570 --> 02:09:36,374
♪ I'm gonna walk all over you ♪
2637
02:09:36,375 --> 02:09:40,231
♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪
2638
02:09:40,232 --> 02:09:45,227
♪ Put em back where they belong ♪
2639
02:09:46,092 --> 02:09:51,087
♪ Ain't foolin' around
cause I done had my fun ♪
2640
02:09:51,391 --> 02:09:55,539
♪ Ain't gonna see no more damage done. ♪
2641
02:09:55,540 --> 02:09:57,278
♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪
2642
02:09:58,447 --> 02:10:00,638
- Al Kooper had a certain style
2643
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:03,005
and the early recordings of the band
2644
02:10:03,006 --> 02:10:05,917
he had full control of that freshness.
2645
02:10:07,085 --> 02:10:10,846
When Tom came along we were looking
2646
02:10:10,847 --> 02:10:15,843
for some help and I
don't think Tom was able
2647
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,173
to capture that sound.
2648
02:10:18,174 --> 02:10:19,408
It was nobody's fault,
2649
02:10:20,847 --> 02:10:24,339
but the facts were that the band
2650
02:10:26,293 --> 02:10:29,047
was very popular,
2651
02:10:29,048 --> 02:10:31,231
expected to come out
with some more material.
2652
02:10:32,306 --> 02:10:36,897
Tom Dowd was the magic
man, Aretha Franklin,
2653
02:10:36,898 --> 02:10:39,590
Live Cream, Derrick and the Dominos,
2654
02:10:39,591 --> 02:10:42,146
The Allman Brothers,
he had a track record,
2655
02:10:42,147 --> 02:10:43,951
so Ronnie liked that.
2656
02:10:43,952 --> 02:10:46,557
But capturing the magic from Pronounced,
2657
02:10:47,574 --> 02:10:50,222
that boat had left, you know had sailed,
2658
02:10:50,223 --> 02:10:51,570
that Pronounced boat.
2659
02:10:51,571 --> 02:10:53,270
You can't get that magic,
2660
02:10:53,271 --> 02:10:58,266
but Tom in his own way emphasized
2661
02:10:59,518 --> 02:11:02,564
the words and Ronnie
Van Zant and made sure
2662
02:11:02,565 --> 02:11:03,948
that those vocals were out there.
2663
02:11:03,949 --> 02:11:05,437
And that's what the band was about.
2664
02:11:05,438 --> 02:11:07,651
♪ Those misters dressed in blue ♪
2665
02:11:07,652 --> 02:11:10,231
♪ Never done so right by me ♪
2666
02:11:10,232 --> 02:11:12,723
♪ Some of the times I was innocent ♪
2667
02:11:12,724 --> 02:11:15,267
♪ but the judge said guilty ♪
2668
02:11:15,268 --> 02:11:18,913
♪ I'm not one to complain ♪
2669
02:11:18,914 --> 02:11:23,909
♪ Now son I tell you true ♪
2670
02:11:24,868 --> 02:11:27,012
♪ When the black cat cross your trail ♪
2671
02:11:27,013 --> 02:11:32,008
♪ Lord they come in pairs of two ♪
2672
02:11:33,803 --> 02:11:36,674
♪ Double Trouble ♪
2673
02:11:36,675 --> 02:11:41,670
♪ That's what my friends all call me ♪
2674
02:11:42,723 --> 02:11:45,769
♪ Double, double ♪
2675
02:11:45,770 --> 02:11:48,540
♪ T-R-O-U-B-L-E ♪
2676
02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:53,423
- I think that Tom Dowd was
probably a logical person
2677
02:11:53,424 --> 02:11:56,096
to work with because he was
clearly a great producer.
2678
02:11:56,097 --> 02:11:57,819
He had the history with
The Allman Brothers
2679
02:11:57,820 --> 02:12:00,234
as well as with Cream
who are very profound
2680
02:12:00,235 --> 02:12:01,828
influence on Lynyrd Skynyrd,
2681
02:12:01,829 --> 02:12:03,480
so I'm sure it all made sense.
2682
02:12:03,481 --> 02:12:06,868
I'm sure that Tom worked his very hardest
2683
02:12:06,869 --> 02:12:08,310
to get something out of them.
2684
02:12:08,311 --> 02:12:10,080
I think the biggest issue with that album
2685
02:12:10,081 --> 02:12:11,779
was that the material just wasn't there.
2686
02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:13,877
They really didn't have the songs.
2687
02:12:13,878 --> 02:12:16,269
The loss of Ed King almost certainly had
2688
02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:20,113
a volatarious impact on
Lynyrd Skynyrd song writing.
2689
02:12:20,114 --> 02:12:21,848
Their song writing suffered.
2690
02:12:21,849 --> 02:12:24,427
Their creativity suffered
and at that point
2691
02:12:24,428 --> 02:12:26,361
it seemed like a fairly reasonable bet
2692
02:12:26,362 --> 02:12:28,318
to think that Lynyrd
Skynyrd was petering out
2693
02:12:28,319 --> 02:12:31,636
and was not going to be
a creative or commercial
2694
02:12:31,637 --> 02:12:33,581
force for much longer.
2695
02:12:33,582 --> 02:12:36,265
- [Voiceover] Yet, Gimme Back
My Bullets would be divisive
2696
02:12:36,266 --> 02:12:40,016
with some critics and fans
viewing it as an overlooked gem
2697
02:12:40,017 --> 02:12:41,763
in Skynyrd's cannon.
2698
02:12:41,764 --> 02:12:44,083
- I think Gimmie Back My
Bullets was one of their best
2699
02:12:44,084 --> 02:12:46,651
albums, that's just my opinion, always.
2700
02:12:46,652 --> 02:12:48,702
Me and Alan always agreed on that.
2701
02:12:48,703 --> 02:12:50,483
I loved that album.
2702
02:12:50,484 --> 02:12:52,600
Of course none of the rest of them,
2703
02:12:52,601 --> 02:12:54,604
it didn't sell well.
2704
02:12:54,605 --> 02:12:56,902
Nobody else was really satisfied with it.
2705
02:12:56,903 --> 02:12:59,035
I thought it was a great album.
2706
02:12:59,036 --> 02:13:01,379
- I feel like this record
really did get it's
2707
02:13:01,380 --> 02:13:03,197
short's ripped.
2708
02:13:03,198 --> 02:13:06,302
Maybe because there isn't a big hit song
2709
02:13:06,303 --> 02:13:07,580
on the record.
2710
02:13:07,581 --> 02:13:09,784
I think that they are
actually getting stronger
2711
02:13:09,785 --> 02:13:11,389
as a band when I listen to this record
2712
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:12,719
now, today.
2713
02:13:13,758 --> 02:13:16,582
It's very, it's a very
self assured record.
2714
02:13:16,583 --> 02:13:18,153
The playing is great.
2715
02:13:18,154 --> 02:13:19,173
It's a great record.
2716
02:13:19,174 --> 02:13:22,876
Probably a better record than even fans
2717
02:13:22,877 --> 02:13:26,159
might give it credit for,
just because it doesn't have
2718
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:30,472
Free Bird or Sweet Home
Alabama or Simple Man
2719
02:13:30,473 --> 02:13:33,261
or like one of these tunes,
2720
02:13:33,262 --> 02:13:35,043
these block buster tunes.
2721
02:13:35,044 --> 02:13:38,501
I think the record actually
hasn't gotten it's due.
2722
02:13:38,502 --> 02:13:40,978
I think it's a better
record than people think.
2723
02:13:42,511 --> 02:13:45,076
If a Skynyrd fan was
sitting here he go, "I know.
2724
02:13:45,077 --> 02:13:47,784
"You don't have to tell me."
2725
02:13:47,785 --> 02:13:49,648
- [Voiceover] If Gimme Back
my Bullets was commercially
2726
02:13:49,649 --> 02:13:52,261
a disappointment, as a live
act, Skynyrd was losing none
2727
02:13:52,262 --> 02:13:53,961
of it's appeal.
2728
02:13:53,962 --> 02:13:55,814
Just before the album's release the band
2729
02:13:55,815 --> 02:13:58,744
headed across the Atlantic
for another European tour.
2730
02:13:58,745 --> 02:14:01,381
Returning to the US in March
to embark on a three month
2731
02:14:01,382 --> 02:14:02,905
run of shows.
2732
02:14:02,906 --> 02:14:05,706
Now a headlining act playing large venues,
2733
02:14:05,707 --> 02:14:08,930
Ronnie Van Zant was keen to
expand Skynyrd's live sound
2734
02:14:08,931 --> 02:14:11,708
and brought female backing
singers Leslie Hawkins,
2735
02:14:11,709 --> 02:14:15,576
Deborah, Jo Jo Billingsly and
Cassie Gains into the fold
2736
02:14:15,577 --> 02:14:18,601
who would collectively
be know as The Honkettes.
2737
02:14:18,602 --> 02:14:20,757
It was a welcome addition
to the stage show
2738
02:14:20,758 --> 02:14:22,715
and although the widest
Southern Rock movement
2739
02:14:22,716 --> 02:14:26,384
had by 1976 begun to wain,
Lynyrd Skynyrd remained
2740
02:14:26,385 --> 02:14:28,417
one of the top live draws in the world.
2741
02:14:30,265 --> 02:14:33,405
- We had three beautiful women
that sang back-up with us,
2742
02:14:33,406 --> 02:14:35,737
The Honkettes, hand-picked
by Ronnie Van Zant.
2743
02:14:35,738 --> 02:14:38,093
Cassie was like a broadway singer.
2744
02:14:38,094 --> 02:14:39,875
She had a broadway voice.
2745
02:14:39,876 --> 02:14:41,891
Ooo, you know, really strong.
2746
02:14:41,892 --> 02:14:44,541
Leslie Hawkins was our soprano.
2747
02:14:44,542 --> 02:14:46,256
She was our song bird.
2748
02:14:47,366 --> 02:14:50,518
Jo Jo was the honkey-tonk queen.
2749
02:14:50,519 --> 02:14:53,683
She had that rough, baby, baby
2750
02:14:53,684 --> 02:14:55,394
and Ronnie liked that.
2751
02:14:55,395 --> 02:14:57,669
He liked the fact that the
girls were all different.
2752
02:14:57,670 --> 02:15:00,071
Their blend was perfect.
2753
02:15:00,072 --> 02:15:01,060
He hand-picked them.
2754
02:15:05,042 --> 02:15:09,155
♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪
2755
02:15:09,156 --> 02:15:13,000
♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪
2756
02:15:13,001 --> 02:15:15,287
♪ I wrote a song for the bad man ♪
2757
02:15:15,288 --> 02:15:16,882
♪ Bad man ♪
2758
02:15:16,883 --> 02:15:20,397
♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪
2759
02:15:20,398 --> 02:15:23,720
♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪
2760
02:15:25,959 --> 02:15:27,244
- Everybody thinks we're a Southern band
2761
02:15:27,245 --> 02:15:29,845
well, we are and the crowds in the South
2762
02:15:29,846 --> 02:15:32,916
are crazy, but man, when
we play in New York City
2763
02:15:32,917 --> 02:15:35,284
and up North they love the music.
2764
02:15:35,285 --> 02:15:38,144
They were just as big of fans
as the people in the South
2765
02:15:38,145 --> 02:15:41,286
as well as in UK, just as big of fans
2766
02:15:41,287 --> 02:15:45,001
When we went to Japan they treated us like
2767
02:15:45,002 --> 02:15:46,935
we were the Beatles, man.
2768
02:15:46,936 --> 02:15:51,436
Anywhere we played the
reception was always the same,
2769
02:15:51,437 --> 02:15:53,347
very exuberant.
2770
02:15:53,348 --> 02:15:55,234
- [Voiceover] Lynyrd Skynyrd
was strengthened even further
2771
02:15:55,235 --> 02:15:59,125
by the introduction of a
new guitarist in May1976.
2772
02:15:59,126 --> 02:16:01,165
A position that Van Zant
had beer considering filling
2773
02:16:01,166 --> 02:16:03,556
ever since Ed King's departure.
2774
02:16:03,557 --> 02:16:06,943
Upon her arrival in the band,
backing vocalist Cassie Gains
2775
02:16:06,944 --> 02:16:09,745
had been recommending her
younger brother, Steve.
2776
02:16:09,746 --> 02:16:12,464
Yet, this suggestion was
initially dismissed by the band
2777
02:16:12,465 --> 02:16:14,556
because they were looking
for a higher profile player.
2778
02:16:15,431 --> 02:16:18,489
In May, however, at a show
in Kansas City, Van Zant
2779
02:16:18,490 --> 02:16:20,975
invited Steve Gains to
audition with Skynyrd
2780
02:16:20,976 --> 02:16:24,185
at a live concert and following
further jams with the band
2781
02:16:24,186 --> 02:16:26,424
he proved that he was more
than qualified to take
2782
02:16:26,425 --> 02:16:28,710
on the roll as third guitarist.
2783
02:16:28,711 --> 02:16:30,363
- He got out and played with us in front
2784
02:16:30,364 --> 02:16:32,149
of about 80,000 people.
2785
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:34,114
Ronnie asked him that day,
you know, to be a part
2786
02:16:34,115 --> 02:16:35,614
of the band.
2787
02:16:35,615 --> 02:16:39,705
At the time Ed left the
band there was everybody
2788
02:16:39,706 --> 02:16:44,668
in the band had tremendous
drug and alcohol problems
2789
02:16:45,825 --> 02:16:48,531
and so I'm not blaming anybody.
2790
02:16:48,532 --> 02:16:49,505
It wasn't Ed's fault.
2791
02:16:49,506 --> 02:16:50,758
It wasn't Ronnie's fault.
2792
02:16:50,759 --> 02:16:51,888
It was just the times.
2793
02:16:53,374 --> 02:16:56,209
Steve came at a great time.
2794
02:16:56,210 --> 02:16:59,889
Steve's very mellow, laid
back intellect came in.
2795
02:16:59,890 --> 02:17:04,332
That in itself helped us right the ship.
2796
02:17:04,333 --> 02:17:06,910
We were a happy family.
2797
02:17:06,911 --> 02:17:10,239
Everybody wanted to be cool for Steve
2798
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:12,420
because he was such a nice guy.
2799
02:17:12,421 --> 02:17:14,154
The band didn't want Steve to know
2800
02:17:14,155 --> 02:17:17,054
that they were out of
their mind drunken maniacs.
2801
02:17:17,964 --> 02:17:19,277
That was later.
2802
02:17:19,278 --> 02:17:19,843
That came later.
2803
02:17:21,106 --> 02:17:22,794
- [Voiceover] Reinvigorated
by the introduction
2804
02:17:22,795 --> 02:17:25,771
of this young virtuoso
in July the band recorded
2805
02:17:25,772 --> 02:17:28,871
a live album across three
dates at Atlanta's Fox Theater.
2806
02:17:29,828 --> 02:17:32,769
After the rushed Nuthin'
Fancy and the commercial
2807
02:17:32,770 --> 02:17:34,750
disappointment of Gimme Back My Bullets
2808
02:17:34,751 --> 02:17:37,475
Skynyrd needed to reestablish
their energy on record.
2809
02:17:37,476 --> 02:17:41,110
With One More From the
Road release September 1976
2810
02:17:41,111 --> 02:17:43,102
they succeeded.
2811
02:17:43,103 --> 02:17:45,739
Peaking in the Top-10 in
the US and going platinum
2812
02:17:45,740 --> 02:17:48,627
before the year was out it
restored their reputation.
2813
02:17:49,702 --> 02:17:51,249
- I remember when it came out.
2814
02:17:51,250 --> 02:17:52,502
It sounded phenomenal.
2815
02:17:52,503 --> 02:17:54,003
Skynyrd was a live band.
2816
02:17:54,004 --> 02:17:55,409
They lived to play live,
2817
02:17:55,410 --> 02:17:57,965
and you could tell, that's their thing.
2818
02:17:57,966 --> 02:17:59,020
They're musicians.
2819
02:17:59,021 --> 02:18:00,930
They're going to thrive on an audience
2820
02:18:00,931 --> 02:18:04,334
and ratcheting things up to another level.
2821
02:18:06,072 --> 02:18:09,236
Free Bird live is just phenomenal.
2822
02:18:09,237 --> 02:18:11,057
It's just everything it should be.
2823
02:18:12,026 --> 02:18:14,405
- Lynyrd Skynyrd recorded
One More From The Road
2824
02:18:14,406 --> 02:18:17,171
in July 1976.
2825
02:18:17,172 --> 02:18:19,116
Steve Gains had only
been a member of the band
2826
02:18:19,117 --> 02:18:20,242
for two months.
2827
02:18:20,243 --> 02:18:21,824
As strong as the album is,
2828
02:18:21,825 --> 02:18:23,724
as much as it was a great live album
2829
02:18:23,725 --> 02:18:25,388
that really reestablished them
2830
02:18:25,389 --> 02:18:27,063
and stands the test of time
2831
02:18:27,064 --> 02:18:29,009
I believe if it had been
recorded two or three
2832
02:18:29,010 --> 02:18:32,983
months later it would have
been quite a bit better.
2833
02:18:32,984 --> 02:18:35,198
Steve Gains was a fantastic guitar player
2834
02:18:35,199 --> 02:18:38,539
who had unique ideas,
jump started the band
2835
02:18:38,540 --> 02:18:41,035
and surely gave a kick in the behind
2836
02:18:41,036 --> 02:18:43,021
to Gary Rossington and Allen Collins.
2837
02:18:44,372 --> 02:18:46,856
As a musician if you add another person
2838
02:18:46,857 --> 02:18:50,010
of that caliber into the
mix it has to do that.
2839
02:18:50,011 --> 02:18:51,029
It just has to.
2840
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:53,854
It has to change the dynamics
and I think what you hear
2841
02:18:53,855 --> 02:18:57,047
on this live album is the very
beginnings of that happening.
2842
02:18:58,367 --> 02:19:00,231
- [Voiceover] This confirmation
of the band's status
2843
02:19:00,232 --> 02:19:02,094
as one of the greatest
live acts in the world
2844
02:19:02,095 --> 02:19:05,493
continued in 1976 with a show
in front of their biggest
2845
02:19:05,494 --> 02:19:06,435
crowd to date.
2846
02:19:07,357 --> 02:19:11,131
August 21st almost two months
after The Fox Theater concerts
2847
02:19:11,132 --> 02:19:13,980
were recorded, Skynyrd
travelled to the UK to perform
2848
02:19:13,981 --> 02:19:15,726
at the Knebworth festival.
2849
02:19:15,727 --> 02:19:18,446
On a bill headlined by a band
who had initially inspired
2850
02:19:18,447 --> 02:19:21,224
Ronnie Van Zant to persue
music in the first place,
2851
02:19:21,225 --> 02:19:23,169
The Rolling Stones.
2852
02:19:23,170 --> 02:19:26,064
Not only did Skynyrd deliver
a momentous set they were
2853
02:19:26,065 --> 02:19:28,409
considered the high-lite of the event.
2854
02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:31,656
- Everybody that was
there said the same thing,
2855
02:19:31,657 --> 02:19:33,308
"The Stones were horrible.
2856
02:19:33,309 --> 02:19:34,855
"They were barely coherent.
2857
02:19:34,856 --> 02:19:36,168
"They could barely stand up."
2858
02:19:36,169 --> 02:19:39,110
Skynyrd's set is what
turned on the entire crowd
2859
02:19:39,111 --> 02:19:40,856
probably 1/2 a million people or whatever,
2860
02:19:40,857 --> 02:19:42,498
200,000, 300,000.
2861
02:19:42,499 --> 02:19:44,982
- It was 100% cool.
2862
02:19:44,983 --> 02:19:48,956
The Mirror said that we
possessed the energy of the day
2863
02:19:48,957 --> 02:19:51,864
because of the energy of our set.
2864
02:19:51,865 --> 02:19:55,051
The Stone came out two
hours late and drunk.
2865
02:19:55,052 --> 02:19:57,431
I actually made a statement that we blew
2866
02:19:57,432 --> 02:19:59,107
The Stones off the stage.
2867
02:19:59,108 --> 02:20:02,085
Nobody blows The Stones
off the stage, of course.
2868
02:20:02,086 --> 02:20:05,280
I felt like we gave it a nice try
2869
02:20:05,281 --> 02:20:08,051
as far as going out
2870
02:20:08,052 --> 02:20:11,048
and doing our show and
our set and just standing
2871
02:20:11,049 --> 02:20:12,677
on the music alone.
2872
02:20:12,678 --> 02:20:15,143
I think standing on the
music alone, we held our own.
2873
02:20:25,068 --> 02:20:27,750
- We're on stage in front
of 1/2 a million people
2874
02:20:27,751 --> 02:20:30,147
and Steve Gains is taking a solo
2875
02:20:31,596 --> 02:20:33,576
and you can see Ronnie back up to him
2876
02:20:33,577 --> 02:20:37,351
on this humongous stage
and you can see his smile.
2877
02:20:37,352 --> 02:20:40,105
You can see that he's thinking to himself,
2878
02:20:40,106 --> 02:20:45,028
"Man, am I a smart guy, man
for bringing this Steve Gains
2879
02:20:45,029 --> 02:20:47,279
"dude into the band."
2880
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:51,651
Because Steve's just
shredding on this solo
2881
02:20:51,652 --> 02:20:54,340
and Ronnie's got this
beautiful smile on his face.
2882
02:20:55,238 --> 02:20:56,344
(guitar music solo)
2883
02:21:23,839 --> 02:21:25,971
And Ronnie, you can just see that moment
2884
02:21:25,972 --> 02:21:28,479
that he just looks at Steve and to me
2885
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:30,168
that just says it all.
2886
02:21:30,169 --> 02:21:32,821
Steve Gains made a huge
difference in the band.
2887
02:21:33,908 --> 02:21:35,688
- [Voiceover] Although they
were apparently riding high
2888
02:21:35,689 --> 02:21:38,724
again reenergized by Gains
and back in the charts
2889
02:21:38,725 --> 02:21:41,139
with One More From The
Road the band members
2890
02:21:41,140 --> 02:21:43,541
drink and drug problems
were too far advanced
2891
02:21:43,542 --> 02:21:45,745
for each of them to properly control.
2892
02:21:45,746 --> 02:21:49,180
In September '76 both Allen
Collins and Gary Rossington
2893
02:21:49,181 --> 02:21:51,840
were involved in road accidents
caused by their substance
2894
02:21:51,841 --> 02:21:53,282
abuse issues.
2895
02:21:53,283 --> 02:21:55,978
Rossington's injuries in
particular causing six concerts
2896
02:21:55,979 --> 02:21:57,619
to be cancelled.
2897
02:21:57,620 --> 02:22:00,045
At this point Van Zant
acknowledged that they needed
2898
02:22:00,046 --> 02:22:01,464
to change their ways.
2899
02:22:01,465 --> 02:22:03,931
Pening the song That
Smell and turning to his
2900
02:22:03,932 --> 02:22:06,312
old friend Gene Odom to
step in and curb their
2901
02:22:06,313 --> 02:22:07,801
excesses.
2902
02:22:07,802 --> 02:22:09,969
- He says, "I want you to stay
with me and be my bodyguard.
2903
02:22:09,970 --> 02:22:10,988
"Take care of us.
2904
02:22:10,989 --> 02:22:13,403
"Get us off of the booze
and alcohol, do that first
2905
02:22:13,404 --> 02:22:15,208
"and then the drugs will be next."
2906
02:22:15,209 --> 02:22:17,494
He said, "I want you to
straighten this band up.
2907
02:22:17,495 --> 02:22:19,299
"I want you to get us
off of all this crap.
2908
02:22:19,300 --> 02:22:21,773
"And you're the only person
that can do it because
2909
02:22:21,774 --> 02:22:23,707
"you're the only person
that'll never do drugs
2910
02:22:23,708 --> 02:22:25,723
"or never smoke, or never drink."
2911
02:22:25,724 --> 02:22:28,184
And he was determined
to get them off of it.
2912
02:22:28,185 --> 02:22:31,318
And you can do a sociable drink
or you can be an alcoholic.
2913
02:22:32,299 --> 02:22:34,314
He said, "We want to get away from this.
2914
02:22:34,315 --> 02:22:36,365
"And you're the only person
that can do that for us.
2915
02:22:36,366 --> 02:22:37,928
"Management can't, nobody can do this,
2916
02:22:37,929 --> 02:22:40,202
"but somebody like you that's never going
2917
02:22:40,203 --> 02:22:42,117
"to hand us something and say, hey."
2918
02:22:43,134 --> 02:22:44,879
I would have got them off of it.
2919
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:46,216
I would have got them
off of it to the point
2920
02:22:46,217 --> 02:22:48,477
that they didn't have to live with it.
2921
02:22:48,478 --> 02:22:50,681
They might do it for a sociable thing,
2922
02:22:50,682 --> 02:22:53,846
but they didn't have to
bury their head in it.
2923
02:22:53,847 --> 02:22:55,423
And he wanted that.
2924
02:22:56,931 --> 02:22:59,239
- [Voiceover] 1977 started well.
2925
02:22:59,240 --> 02:23:01,947
Skynyrd heading off the
successful tours first in Japan
2926
02:23:01,948 --> 02:23:04,526
and then in the UK before
returning to Jacksonville
2927
02:23:04,527 --> 02:23:07,221
in February to work up fresh material.
2928
02:23:07,222 --> 02:23:09,625
Having recorded demos of
these new compositions
2929
02:23:09,626 --> 02:23:12,332
at a local studio, in
April the band transferred
2930
02:23:12,333 --> 02:23:15,333
to Criteria Studios in
Miami to work once again
2931
02:23:15,334 --> 02:23:16,907
with producer Tom Dowd.
2932
02:23:17,971 --> 02:23:20,291
Yet, after cutting the
majority of the album there
2933
02:23:20,292 --> 02:23:22,330
they were alerted by
their live sound engineer
2934
02:23:22,331 --> 02:23:25,501
Kevin Elson to the poor
quality of the recording.
2935
02:23:25,502 --> 02:23:28,319
Skynyrd abandoned both
Tom Dowd and the studio.
2936
02:23:29,359 --> 02:23:31,069
- The stuff was sounding like crap.
2937
02:23:31,070 --> 02:23:32,652
It was thin and weak.
2938
02:23:32,653 --> 02:23:34,902
We needed to go home back to Studio One
2939
02:23:34,903 --> 02:23:36,789
where Sweet Home Alabama was recorded,
2940
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:37,787
Saturday Night Special.
2941
02:23:37,788 --> 02:23:40,228
Go back where we could
get that good sound,
2942
02:23:41,432 --> 02:23:45,733
so we trashed about
$70,000 worth of material
2943
02:23:45,734 --> 02:23:49,109
that we had recorded
at Criteria in Florida.
2944
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:50,566
We just threw it in the garbage can.
2945
02:23:51,535 --> 02:23:54,254
- [Voiceover] Skynyrd would
have to wait until July 1977
2946
02:23:54,255 --> 02:23:55,813
to re-record the album.
2947
02:23:55,814 --> 02:23:58,017
Their schedule once again
demanding that they return
2948
02:23:58,018 --> 02:24:00,049
to the road for two months of US shows.
2949
02:24:01,089 --> 02:24:04,159
When they finally did
reconvene first at Studio One
2950
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,557
in Doraville and later at
Muscle Shoals working once again
2951
02:24:07,558 --> 02:24:09,223
with Jimmy Johnson.
2952
02:24:09,224 --> 02:24:12,099
Ronnie Van Zant himself
oversaw the album's completion.
2953
02:24:13,279 --> 02:24:15,845
The band's radical decision
to abandon the original
2954
02:24:15,846 --> 02:24:18,787
recordings and start again
from scratch paid dividends
2955
02:24:18,788 --> 02:24:19,631
however.
2956
02:24:19,632 --> 02:24:23,697
Released in October 1977
Street Survivor sproved
2957
02:24:23,698 --> 02:24:25,590
a phenomenal return to form.
2958
02:24:25,591 --> 02:24:27,718
Steve Gains not only
injecting the proceedings
2959
02:24:27,719 --> 02:24:29,897
with new vitality but also contributing
2960
02:24:29,898 --> 02:24:33,590
as both a songwriter and
lead singer on one track.
2961
02:24:33,591 --> 02:24:36,239
It would however sadly
be the only studio album
2962
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:38,389
of Skynyrd's to which he
was able to contribute.
2963
02:24:39,276 --> 02:24:42,070
- Street Survivors is an
extremely strong album.
2964
02:24:42,071 --> 02:24:45,557
I think it's clearly their best
album since Second Helping.
2965
02:24:46,432 --> 02:24:49,092
The band sounds completely revitalized
2966
02:24:49,093 --> 02:24:51,793
by Steve Gains whose playing
is all over the album,
2967
02:24:53,079 --> 02:24:56,359
but in addition, Ronnie
Van Zant has written his
2968
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:59,700
best batch of songs since the beginning
2969
02:24:59,701 --> 02:25:01,756
perhaps inspired by Steve's presence.
2970
02:25:03,018 --> 02:25:05,736
The fact that there was
a torture history to the
2971
02:25:05,737 --> 02:25:07,553
recording of the album,
that it was recorded once
2972
02:25:07,554 --> 02:25:11,726
and put aside is a fascinating foot note
2973
02:25:11,727 --> 02:25:13,847
because it doesn't sound
anything like that.
2974
02:25:13,848 --> 02:25:17,224
It sounds easy and
natural and hard driving
2975
02:25:17,225 --> 02:25:18,594
and heart swinging.
2976
02:25:18,595 --> 02:25:20,412
They had those songs under their thumbs.
2977
02:25:20,413 --> 02:25:21,935
They don't sound like new songs.
2978
02:25:21,936 --> 02:25:24,280
They don't sound tentative in the least
2979
02:25:24,281 --> 02:25:26,987
and it's an extremely strong album.
2980
02:25:26,988 --> 02:25:29,765
It's probably the Lynyrd
Skynyrd album that I listen
2981
02:25:29,766 --> 02:25:30,808
to the most.
2982
02:25:30,809 --> 02:25:35,556
♪ Whiskey bottles and brand new cars ♪
2983
02:25:35,557 --> 02:25:39,095
♪ Oak tree you're in my way ♪
2984
02:25:39,096 --> 02:25:41,194
♪ There's too much coke ♪
2985
02:25:41,195 --> 02:25:43,315
♪ And too much smoke ♪
2986
02:25:43,316 --> 02:25:47,418
♪ Look what's going on inside you ♪
2987
02:25:47,419 --> 02:25:51,556
♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪
2988
02:25:51,557 --> 02:25:55,259
♪ Can't you smell that smell ♪
2989
02:25:55,260 --> 02:26:00,255
♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪
2990
02:26:00,289 --> 02:26:02,813
♪ The smell of death surrounds you ♪
2991
02:26:05,943 --> 02:26:10,076
- That smell is an eery song listened to
2992
02:26:10,077 --> 02:26:12,049
with the knowledge of
what was soon to come.
2993
02:26:13,007 --> 02:26:18,002
And it shows that Ronnie Van
Zant, similar to Am I losing
2994
02:26:18,975 --> 02:26:23,970
was aware of the dangerous
terrain that the band was
2995
02:26:24,203 --> 02:26:27,659
walking on and he understood
that they were surrounded
2996
02:26:27,660 --> 02:26:31,047
by a certain amount of doom
and gloom and foreboding
2997
02:26:31,048 --> 02:26:35,032
and that things had to change
or they wouldn't last long.
2998
02:26:35,033 --> 02:26:38,643
♪ Now they call you prince charming ♪
2999
02:26:38,644 --> 02:26:42,933
♪ Can't speak a work when
you're full of ludes ♪
3000
02:26:42,934 --> 02:26:46,743
♪ Say, you'll be all right come tomorrow ♪
3001
02:26:46,744 --> 02:26:51,739
♪ But tomorrow might not be here for you ♪
3002
02:26:52,470 --> 02:26:54,427
♪ Yeah, you ♪
3003
02:26:54,428 --> 02:26:56,853
- He has a statement to
make about Rossington
3004
02:26:56,854 --> 02:26:59,232
because you know, he
had to go see Rossington
3005
02:26:59,233 --> 02:27:00,663
in the hospital a few times.
3006
02:27:00,664 --> 02:27:03,194
Rossington almost died
from a car accident,
3007
02:27:03,195 --> 02:27:05,785
one of his 8 million car accidents.
3008
02:27:05,786 --> 02:27:08,802
He was afraid it was
going to ruin the band.
3009
02:27:10,076 --> 02:27:13,673
This was Ronnie's
statement that this is not
3010
02:27:13,674 --> 02:27:14,624
going to continue.
3011
02:27:14,625 --> 02:27:16,545
I know I'm a hypocrite for saying this.
3012
02:27:16,546 --> 02:27:20,109
I'm including myself here in these lyrics.
3013
02:27:20,110 --> 02:27:22,546
I'm singing to myself in a way here
3014
02:27:22,547 --> 02:27:25,688
but I'm telling you prince charming
3015
02:27:25,689 --> 02:27:27,504
that you are not going
to be able to continue
3016
02:27:27,505 --> 02:27:28,970
to do this.
3017
02:27:28,971 --> 02:27:33,966
♪ It's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho ♪
3018
02:27:34,981 --> 02:27:36,940
♪ I find my limo driver ♪
3019
02:27:36,941 --> 02:27:41,936
♪ Mister take me to the show ♪
3020
02:27:42,173 --> 02:27:47,168
♪ I done made plans for later on tonight ♪
3021
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:51,406
♪ I found a little queenie ♪
3022
02:27:51,407 --> 02:27:55,721
♪ I know I can treat her right ♪
3023
02:27:55,722 --> 02:27:59,253
♪ What's your name little girl ♪
3024
02:27:59,254 --> 02:28:03,057
♪ What's your name ♪
3025
02:28:03,058 --> 02:28:05,976
♪ Shouldn't stay little girl ♪
3026
02:28:05,977 --> 02:28:07,879
♪ Cause there ain't no shame ♪
3027
02:28:09,408 --> 02:28:11,059
- I was really proud of that album.
3028
02:28:11,060 --> 02:28:12,690
From Nuthin' Fancy,
3029
02:28:12,691 --> 02:28:14,341
it was yeah, I don't like it.
3030
02:28:14,342 --> 02:28:16,419
Gimme Back My Bullets, you know,
3031
02:28:16,420 --> 02:28:20,905
Street Survivors, to me was an indication
3032
02:28:20,906 --> 02:28:23,483
of what we were going to do.
3033
02:28:23,484 --> 02:28:26,009
Street Survivors with Steve and Ronnie
3034
02:28:26,010 --> 02:28:28,577
and the band with the new spirit
3035
02:28:28,578 --> 02:28:32,626
and Steve is just a great
guitar player, incredible.
3036
02:28:32,627 --> 02:28:35,480
Ronnie got our feet back on the ground
3037
02:28:35,481 --> 02:28:38,656
with Street Survivors and
the success of the live
3038
02:28:38,657 --> 02:28:40,510
album and everything.
3039
02:28:40,511 --> 02:28:44,037
We had two winners and
I think the next album
3040
02:28:44,038 --> 02:28:45,912
would have been amazing and I think that
3041
02:28:45,913 --> 02:28:48,992
Ed King would have been asked to come back
3042
02:28:48,993 --> 02:28:51,783
and write a song or play
with us, perform with us.
3043
02:28:51,784 --> 02:28:53,281
And Bob, on double drums.
3044
02:28:55,450 --> 02:28:57,260
That's the vision that I had.
3045
02:28:57,261 --> 02:29:01,427
That I thought things would
just would come around.
3046
02:29:01,428 --> 02:29:03,377
And then we had the plane crash
3047
02:29:03,378 --> 02:29:08,373
and Ronnie was killed and
that's pretty definitive,
3048
02:29:08,631 --> 02:29:09,345
you know?
3049
02:29:09,345 --> 02:29:10,170
That's it.
3050
02:29:15,482 --> 02:29:17,858
- [Voiceover] Days before the
release of Street Survivors
3051
02:29:17,859 --> 02:29:20,404
Skynyrd had embarked on
a major headline tour
3052
02:29:20,405 --> 02:29:23,110
and for this ambitious run
of shows, manager Peter Rutch
3053
02:29:23,111 --> 02:29:26,798
leased a private plane to
transport the band and their crew.
3054
02:29:26,799 --> 02:29:29,888
Eager to save on costs,
however, the model he picked out
3055
02:29:29,889 --> 02:29:32,125
for the crew had seen better days.
3056
02:29:32,126 --> 02:29:34,331
And although it had safely
delivered them to their first
3057
02:29:34,332 --> 02:29:37,634
four dates the journey to
the bands final ever show
3058
02:29:37,635 --> 02:29:40,692
together in Greenville,
South Carolina, had revealed
3059
02:29:40,693 --> 02:29:43,308
just how unsafe their
method of transport was.
3060
02:29:44,189 --> 02:29:47,235
Yet, just before 4 a.m. on
the morning after the show
3061
02:29:47,236 --> 02:29:50,080
they reluctantly boarded
the plane one final time
3062
02:29:50,081 --> 02:29:51,438
heading to Baton Rouge.
3063
02:29:52,446 --> 02:29:54,672
They would never make that destination.
3064
02:29:54,673 --> 02:29:57,176
- We'd shot a flame out
of one of the engines
3065
02:29:57,177 --> 02:29:59,637
coming in to Greenville
and that's why we called
3066
02:29:59,638 --> 02:30:02,099
our mechanic out of Dallas,
Texas, and they were
3067
02:30:02,100 --> 02:30:05,376
gonna meet us in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and fix the plane.
3068
02:30:07,023 --> 02:30:08,589
But we shouldn't have tried to make it
3069
02:30:08,590 --> 02:30:09,995
from Greenville to Baton Rouge.
3070
02:30:09,996 --> 02:30:11,359
That was the mistake.
3071
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,426
The plane had problems, obviously
3072
02:30:13,427 --> 02:30:15,638
and we took off.
3073
02:30:16,730 --> 02:30:18,594
And the rest is history.
3074
02:30:18,595 --> 02:30:20,869
We flew into the history books.
3075
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:35,414
(chokes up) Excuse me.
3076
02:30:37,487 --> 02:30:38,952
(grinding metal)
3077
02:30:50,093 --> 02:30:53,475
- After we got on the
plane and we got airborne
3078
02:30:53,476 --> 02:30:55,766
Ronnie gets up down to me because
3079
02:30:55,767 --> 02:30:56,826
they were hollering for me to come back
3080
02:30:56,827 --> 02:30:59,958
and play poker and I had
run up to the cockpit
3081
02:30:59,959 --> 02:31:02,451
and I was hearing that
in the engine and I was
3082
02:31:02,452 --> 02:31:05,057
communicating with the pilot
about that damn engine.
3083
02:31:08,026 --> 02:31:10,369
Ronnie gets up and says, "Man,
I took two sleeping pills
3084
02:31:10,370 --> 02:31:12,010
"because I was up all night long Gene."
3085
02:31:12,011 --> 02:31:13,597
And I said, "Yeah, I heard."
3086
02:31:13,598 --> 02:31:15,383
And he says, "I gotta get some sleep."
3087
02:31:21,621 --> 02:31:23,091
- We started running out of fuel.
3088
02:31:23,092 --> 02:31:24,285
I went to the cockpit.
3089
02:31:24,286 --> 02:31:25,840
I played stewardess.
3090
02:31:25,841 --> 02:31:27,338
I told everybody to put
out their cigarettes.
3091
02:31:28,516 --> 02:31:32,458
Conserve power, turn
off lights, everything
3092
02:31:32,459 --> 02:31:36,091
and get pillows and prepare for impact.
3093
02:31:36,092 --> 02:31:39,943
I'm a pilot, so I played stewardess
3094
02:31:40,951 --> 02:31:43,262
and I went back to the cockpit
3095
02:31:43,263 --> 02:31:46,314
and the pilot and co-pilot,
Walter McCreary and John Gray
3096
02:31:46,315 --> 02:31:49,271
they said, "You better go
back and strap yourself in."
3097
02:31:49,272 --> 02:31:51,338
And they looked at me and
I could see they had fear
3098
02:31:51,339 --> 02:31:52,351
in their eyes.
3099
02:31:52,352 --> 02:31:55,537
- Artimus went back to his
seat and I grabbed Ronnie
3100
02:31:55,538 --> 02:31:57,194
up off of the floor.
3101
02:31:57,195 --> 02:31:59,634
I snatched him up and shoved
him between Allen and Gary,
3102
02:31:59,635 --> 02:32:00,966
but I said, "Man, the plane's crashing."
3103
02:32:00,967 --> 02:32:02,948
He said, "Don't be messing, Gene, I got
3104
02:32:02,949 --> 02:32:04,003
"to get some sleep, man.
3105
02:32:04,004 --> 02:32:05,889
"Don't be messing with me,
man I gotta get some sleep."
3106
02:32:05,890 --> 02:32:07,040
I said, "The plane's crashing."
3107
02:32:07,041 --> 02:32:07,968
And I strapped him in.
3108
02:32:07,969 --> 02:32:09,278
He said, "Man, don't be messing with me."
3109
02:32:09,279 --> 02:32:10,956
I think he might have unsnapped it before,
3110
02:32:12,017 --> 02:32:13,342
I know he did, actually.
3111
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:16,246
And I said, "Man, the plane's crashing.
3112
02:32:16,247 --> 02:32:16,630
"I'm not messing with you.
3113
02:32:16,630 --> 02:32:17,588
"Put your head down."
3114
02:32:17,589 --> 02:32:18,632
And I actually slapped him.
3115
02:32:18,633 --> 02:32:20,763
I said, "Man, put your head down.
3116
02:32:20,764 --> 02:32:22,021
"It's mostly trees."
3117
02:32:22,022 --> 02:32:25,046
- Suddenly we came out of
the clouds the low ceiling.
3118
02:32:25,047 --> 02:32:26,437
We were right on the tree tops
3119
02:32:27,817 --> 02:32:30,352
and I heard one guy go, "Trees."
3120
02:32:30,353 --> 02:32:33,357
Clayton Johnson, he worked for Bill Graham
3121
02:32:33,358 --> 02:32:34,939
and he goes, "Trees."
3122
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:38,621
And then I could feel
the trees brush against
3123
02:32:38,622 --> 02:32:40,321
the belly of the plane, the fuselage.
3124
02:32:41,296 --> 02:32:43,490
And the pilot and
co-pilot the last mistake
3125
02:32:43,491 --> 02:32:45,909
they made was to put
the landing gear down.
3126
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:48,061
And we almost cleared the trees.
3127
02:32:48,062 --> 02:32:49,820
There was a field in front of us.
3128
02:32:49,821 --> 02:32:51,823
We'd almost cleared those trees,
3129
02:32:51,824 --> 02:32:53,688
but they put their landing gear down.
3130
02:32:53,689 --> 02:32:55,360
Landing gear caught the tops of the trees,
3131
02:32:55,361 --> 02:32:57,171
tripped us into a 45 degree angle.
3132
02:32:57,172 --> 02:32:59,473
We cut through the woods.
3133
02:32:59,474 --> 02:33:01,354
I watched the right wing come off.
3134
02:33:02,394 --> 02:33:07,389
Just unbelievable
crunch, impact, collision
3135
02:33:08,010 --> 02:33:09,681
with the earth.
3136
02:33:09,682 --> 02:33:12,809
And then it stopped and it was quiet.
3137
02:33:21,191 --> 02:33:23,320
- I was in Los Angeles.
3138
02:33:23,321 --> 02:33:26,399
I saw it on the TV and
I stayed up all night
3139
02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:27,668
watching it.
3140
02:33:27,669 --> 02:33:32,192
They didn't say who perrished
3141
02:33:33,518 --> 02:33:34,706
until the morning,
3142
02:33:35,841 --> 02:33:36,976
until the sun was up
3143
02:33:37,855 --> 02:33:39,491
and that's why I kept watching.
3144
02:33:40,381 --> 02:33:41,473
I wanted to know.
3145
02:33:42,544 --> 02:33:44,035
I wanted to know that
3146
02:33:44,036 --> 02:33:45,809
like as soon as possible.
3147
02:33:46,859 --> 02:33:49,192
- There sitting against a tree is a piece
3148
02:33:49,193 --> 02:33:50,950
of an airplane wing torn away
3149
02:33:50,951 --> 02:33:52,709
from the rest of the airplane.
3150
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:55,404
Lying down there at the base of the tree
3151
02:33:55,405 --> 02:33:58,110
is the engine and that back there,
3152
02:33:58,111 --> 02:33:59,847
that twisted metal back there
3153
02:33:59,848 --> 02:34:02,031
is the fuselage of the plane.
3154
02:34:02,032 --> 02:34:04,184
- I was at my Mother's and Father's house
3155
02:34:04,185 --> 02:34:07,818
They almost knocked the door down.
3156
02:34:07,819 --> 02:34:08,894
People crying.
3157
02:34:08,895 --> 02:34:12,687
They told me what happened and I lost it.
3158
02:34:12,688 --> 02:34:14,408
I said "Oh, God who have we lost?"
3159
02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:16,567
It killed me, man.
3160
02:34:16,568 --> 02:34:18,020
It killed me.
3161
02:34:19,059 --> 02:34:19,735
Killed me.
3162
02:34:23,566 --> 02:34:25,291
- [Voiceover] As the
surviving band members
3163
02:34:25,292 --> 02:34:27,529
and their crew were taken
to various hospitals
3164
02:34:27,530 --> 02:34:30,395
in the vicinity it soon
emerged that Skynyrd's latest
3165
02:34:30,396 --> 02:34:34,082
recruit, Steve Gains, his
sister Cassie and the band's
3166
02:34:34,083 --> 02:34:36,735
assistant Dean Kilpatrick
who had been working
3167
02:34:36,736 --> 02:34:40,194
with them since 1969 had
all been killed on impact.
3168
02:34:41,691 --> 02:34:43,805
So too had Ronnie Van Zant.
3169
02:34:44,898 --> 02:34:46,443
Although the public would become aware
3170
02:34:46,444 --> 02:34:48,797
of these details within days of the crash
3171
02:34:48,798 --> 02:34:50,875
for the survivors it took longer for them
3172
02:34:50,876 --> 02:34:52,905
to discover the tragic
fate of their comrades.
3173
02:34:53,838 --> 02:34:56,011
- We went to five different hospitals,
3174
02:34:56,012 --> 02:34:58,164
so the doctor came in to my room
3175
02:34:58,165 --> 02:35:01,617
and he said, "Artimus, I
hear you've been asking
3176
02:35:01,618 --> 02:35:02,709
"who made it."
3177
02:35:03,854 --> 02:35:04,946
And I said, "Yeah."
3178
02:35:06,519 --> 02:35:07,653
And he said, "Are you ready?"
3179
02:35:12,774 --> 02:35:13,481
I said, "Yeah."
3180
02:35:14,606 --> 02:35:18,036
And he said, "Ronnie,
Ronnie Van Zant was killed."
3181
02:35:18,037 --> 02:35:21,900
And I said, "I know, I knew that."
3182
02:35:23,653 --> 02:35:27,824
And then when he said Steve and Cassie
3183
02:35:29,385 --> 02:35:32,181
you know, that really hit me.
3184
02:35:35,416 --> 02:35:36,422
That hit hard.
3185
02:35:37,483 --> 02:35:39,859
- I didn't hear anything until
I got out of the hospital
3186
02:35:39,860 --> 02:35:41,148
a month later.
3187
02:35:41,149 --> 02:35:42,597
They didn't tell me
Ronnie died or anything.
3188
02:35:42,598 --> 02:35:44,451
I was going, when I got
out, I said, ""Kept me,
3189
02:35:44,452 --> 02:35:46,881
"let's go see Ronnie, go
visit Ronnie, come on."
3190
02:35:46,882 --> 02:35:49,156
So he started driving me to Orange Park
3191
02:35:50,004 --> 02:35:52,730
and he pulled into the
cemetery and I said,
3192
02:35:52,731 --> 02:35:53,727
"What the hell are y'all doing?"
3193
02:35:54,692 --> 02:35:56,418
And they said, "Taking
you to visit Ronnie,
3194
02:35:56,419 --> 02:35:57,994
"he didn't make it."
3195
02:35:57,995 --> 02:36:00,014
And that was horrible.
3196
02:36:01,331 --> 02:36:03,109
That's when I realized he didn't make it
3197
02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:04,452
because they didn't tell me.
3198
02:36:04,453 --> 02:36:05,698
I guess they didn't want me to know
3199
02:36:05,699 --> 02:36:06,998
because my health was so banged up,
3200
02:36:06,999 --> 02:36:08,234
you know.
3201
02:36:08,235 --> 02:36:10,334
But it was a month later
that I knew that he had died.
3202
02:36:10,335 --> 02:36:12,614
And whoever else, I didn't know.
3203
02:36:12,615 --> 02:36:14,378
I though everybody was fine.
3204
02:36:16,499 --> 02:36:18,363
- [Voiceover] The surviving
members of Lynyrd Skynyrd
3205
02:36:18,364 --> 02:36:20,473
jointly decided to dissolve
the band in the wake
3206
02:36:20,474 --> 02:36:21,666
of the tragedy.
3207
02:36:21,667 --> 02:36:23,999
And for a decade pursued
various musical projects,
3208
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:25,981
together and apart.
3209
02:36:25,982 --> 02:36:28,805
In 1987 however, they reunited to perform
3210
02:36:28,806 --> 02:36:31,501
a one off tribute tour 10
years after the fateful
3211
02:36:31,502 --> 02:36:33,728
accident bringing together former members
3212
02:36:33,729 --> 02:36:36,829
Gary Rossington, Billy
Powell, Leon Wilkeson,
3213
02:36:36,830 --> 02:36:40,291
Artimus Pyle and Ed King
alongside Ronnie VanZant's
3214
02:36:40,292 --> 02:36:42,860
younger brother Johnny
on vocals and musical
3215
02:36:42,861 --> 02:36:45,385
director Allen Collins
who was unable to play
3216
02:36:45,386 --> 02:36:47,175
with the band on stage having been left
3217
02:36:47,176 --> 02:36:49,402
permanently paralyzed by a car accident
3218
02:36:49,403 --> 02:36:50,516
the previous year.
3219
02:36:51,523 --> 02:36:54,367
So successful was this
tour that the reconstituted
3220
02:36:54,368 --> 02:36:56,392
Skynyrd decided to remain together.
3221
02:36:56,393 --> 02:36:58,566
Although this has proven controversial
3222
02:36:58,567 --> 02:37:01,059
they have endured to the present day.
3223
02:37:01,060 --> 02:37:03,073
Albeit not with only one original member
3224
02:37:03,074 --> 02:37:04,656
guitarist Gary Rossington.
3225
02:37:05,770 --> 02:37:07,569
Yet despite releasing new material
3226
02:37:07,570 --> 02:37:09,647
and drawing large crowds to their shows
3227
02:37:09,648 --> 02:37:11,800
they have been dismissed by many as simply
3228
02:37:11,801 --> 02:37:13,132
a tribute band.
3229
02:37:13,133 --> 02:37:15,103
Ronnie Van Zant proving irreplaceable
3230
02:37:15,104 --> 02:37:17,330
even by his own brother.
3231
02:37:17,331 --> 02:37:18,216
- They suck.
3232
02:37:18,216 --> 02:37:19,094
Ithink they're awful.
3233
02:37:19,984 --> 02:37:22,482
I take a great interest
in how bad they are.
3234
02:37:22,483 --> 02:37:24,997
I take a great interest in
their Yahoo, right wing,
3235
02:37:24,998 --> 02:37:26,910
Fox News bullshit.
3236
02:37:27,800 --> 02:37:31,358
Lynyrd Skynyrd died with
Ronnie Van Zant period
3237
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:33,809
Is it possible for a
reunion band with somebody
3238
02:37:33,810 --> 02:37:37,197
doing a Ronnie Van Zant
imitation singing his songs
3239
02:37:37,198 --> 02:37:38,998
do a decent concert?
3240
02:37:38,999 --> 02:37:39,835
I suppose.
3241
02:37:40,875 --> 02:37:44,059
I'd rather listen to the records.
3242
02:37:44,060 --> 02:37:49,055
- They could never regroup
that success without him.
3243
02:37:49,889 --> 02:37:53,799
He was the key factor to that band.
3244
02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:55,727
He wrote all the songs.
3245
02:37:55,728 --> 02:37:57,470
It'd take the authorship away
3246
02:37:58,371 --> 02:38:01,077
and it's something else entirely.
3247
02:38:01,078 --> 02:38:03,831
But you can make a lot of money.
3248
02:38:06,043 --> 02:38:08,109
And that's what they do.
3249
02:38:08,110 --> 02:38:13,105
♪ I like a little bit of homegrown ♪
3250
02:38:13,182 --> 02:38:17,198
♪ She gets me stoned ♪
3251
02:38:17,199 --> 02:38:20,617
♪ Oh in her short dress
- yeah I'm a mess ♪
3252
02:38:20,618 --> 02:38:24,965
♪ I like to get her all alone ♪
3253
02:38:24,966 --> 02:38:28,972
♪ She really turns me on ♪
3254
02:38:28,973 --> 02:38:33,841
♪ Yeah in her barefeet
- sippin' sweet tea ♪
3255
02:38:33,842 --> 02:38:38,679
♪ A little Homegrown ♪
3256
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:40,629
♪ A little Homegrown ♪
3257
02:38:40,630 --> 02:38:43,410
- They are acutely aware of what kind
3258
02:38:43,411 --> 02:38:45,275
of dedicated fans they have.
3259
02:38:45,276 --> 02:38:47,278
They're very thankful for it
3260
02:38:47,279 --> 02:38:49,185
and don't from what I can see
3261
02:38:49,186 --> 02:38:50,959
they don't take it for granted one bit.
3262
02:38:51,808 --> 02:38:53,933
And when I've seen them in recent times
3263
02:38:54,781 --> 02:38:58,541
they go out there and want to give people
3264
02:38:58,542 --> 02:39:00,917
the best possible show.
3265
02:39:00,918 --> 02:39:03,079
We are gonna come out
here and we are gonna rock
3266
02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:04,727
the crap out of this place.
3267
02:39:05,564 --> 02:39:07,278
And they do.
3268
02:39:07,279 --> 02:39:08,461
They do the whole thing.
3269
02:39:08,462 --> 02:39:09,590
They do the steps,
3270
02:39:09,591 --> 02:39:11,946
They all get together and
they do the guitar moves
3271
02:39:11,947 --> 02:39:16,356
and they do the whole show
and they are more than happy
3272
02:39:16,357 --> 02:39:19,585
to deliver that to the fans.
3273
02:39:19,586 --> 02:39:22,569
They want to put on a
great show every night.
3274
02:39:22,570 --> 02:39:23,992
It's really important to them.
3275
02:39:25,414 --> 02:39:27,982
- [Voiceover] Despite the
polarized opinion regarding
3276
02:39:27,983 --> 02:39:29,681
the second incarnation of
the band and the various
3277
02:39:29,682 --> 02:39:32,132
private and public disputes
that have since occured
3278
02:39:32,133 --> 02:39:34,360
among the survivors of the '77 crash.
3279
02:39:34,361 --> 02:39:37,758
The legacy of the first era
of Lynyrd Skynyrd has remained
3280
02:39:37,759 --> 02:39:41,072
untarnished and although
a wholly accurate account
3281
02:39:41,073 --> 02:39:44,280
of their years together for the
mid '60s until the late '70s
3282
02:39:44,281 --> 02:39:47,519
will now never emerge due to
the conflicting testimonies
3283
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:49,266
of those who lived through it.
3284
02:39:49,267 --> 02:39:52,357
The music the band produced
continues to find new listeners
3285
02:39:52,358 --> 02:39:55,947
and inspire a new generation
of musicians and their departed
3286
02:39:55,948 --> 02:40:00,017
driving force, Ronnie Van Zant
remains a remarkably singular
3287
02:40:00,018 --> 02:40:02,127
talent in the history of rock music.
3288
02:40:02,128 --> 02:40:05,484
His rugged no nonsense appeal
still influential nearly
3289
02:40:05,485 --> 02:40:07,834
40 years after his tragic death.
3290
02:40:10,269 --> 02:40:13,433
- Ronnie Van Zant was a
very unique front man.
3291
02:40:13,434 --> 02:40:17,823
He was incredibly dynamic
without doing too much.
3292
02:40:17,824 --> 02:40:20,647
He basically walked around
usually without shoes on.
3293
02:40:20,648 --> 02:40:23,481
Held his microphone in the air.
3294
02:40:23,482 --> 02:40:26,528
He was a commanding presence.
3295
02:40:26,529 --> 02:40:30,216
That element of being a
lead singer and front man
3296
02:40:30,217 --> 02:40:33,497
is hard for anyone to copy and emulate
3297
02:40:33,498 --> 02:40:36,416
because it had to come from within.
3298
02:40:36,417 --> 02:40:39,380
I think as a singer
Ronnie Van Zant has been
3299
02:40:39,381 --> 02:40:42,714
very influential especially
on country artists
3300
02:40:42,715 --> 02:40:45,943
Country music has become
more and more rocked up
3301
02:40:45,944 --> 02:40:48,990
and what we would have
thought of in the mid '70s
3302
02:40:48,991 --> 02:40:51,984
as country-tinged rock
has become rock-tinged
3303
02:40:51,985 --> 02:40:54,989
country and I think Ronnie
Van Zant's influence
3304
02:40:54,990 --> 02:40:59,358
on Eric Church, Jason Alldeen
and a whole generation
3305
02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:04,046
really of country singers
is profound both vocally,
3306
02:41:04,047 --> 02:41:07,152
musically and in terms of
stage presence and swagger.
3307
02:41:08,491 --> 02:41:11,185
- When music is new and it's
fresh and you capture that
3308
02:41:11,186 --> 02:41:14,723
on record it's always
gonna sound new and fresh.
3309
02:41:14,724 --> 02:41:18,383
Forever it will and it will
probably be like the cliche
3310
02:41:18,384 --> 02:41:21,111
about fine wine, it gets better over time.
3311
02:41:21,112 --> 02:41:23,263
If it wasn't great music we
wouldn't be talking about it.
3312
02:41:23,264 --> 02:41:28,259
They found a way to be a distinctive band
3313
02:41:28,624 --> 02:41:32,214
that has great music that
people are gonna remember
3314
02:41:32,215 --> 02:41:34,398
those great songs forever.
3315
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:35,816
- I don't think they'll ever be another
3316
02:41:35,817 --> 02:41:38,096
like Ronnie Van Zant in my opinion.
3317
02:41:38,097 --> 02:41:40,840
Man, everything that comes out
of his mouth is meaningful.
3318
02:41:41,805 --> 02:41:43,946
You could tell he was
telling about his life.
3319
02:41:43,947 --> 02:41:47,212
Everybody asks me what was
Ronnie, what was he like?
3320
02:41:47,213 --> 02:41:50,227
I say, "You just take any six
songs that Ronnie's written
3321
02:41:50,228 --> 02:41:53,216
"any six, you pick them,
any six, that's him.
3322
02:41:54,074 --> 02:41:55,145
"That's his story."
3323
02:42:06,475 --> 02:42:08,366
(slow guitar music)
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