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You look like you need a rest.
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Truthfully,
my branding story isn't nearly as bad
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as some of the other
stories that have emerged.
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I am desperate.
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I don't know what else
we can do at this point.
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I've decided to go
on the record and expose this.
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The New York
Times is the last attempt
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to just blow this thing open.
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The greatest fear
that everyone was expressing
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was the fear of
legal retaliation.
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NXIVM is trying to
get me arrested on three fronts.
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Putting myself out there and
being the face of this is terrifying.
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I was the
first significant person
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in the entire
organization to ever leave.
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Buckle your seat belt.
They're coming for you.
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Mommy, can I have a waffle?
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- For breakfast? - Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hello?
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Hold on. Let me look for it.
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Whoa, whoa,
whoa. Hold on a sec, Troy.
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Mommy! - Edmondson: Wow.
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Mommy!
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You know the "MeToo" thing,
right?
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Mm-hmm.
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If this Harvey Weinstein
story had broke
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and I hadn't experienced
what happened in ESP,
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I would be this
equally not supportive.
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Or like, not as compassionate,
apathetic,
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because I'd be like, why,
why wouldn't they just leave the room?
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You know, if anybody's
ever been in an abusive relationship,
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it's no different.
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You spend most of your
time defending yourself.
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Oh, my God.
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Look at the Bill Cosby thing.
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Look at the Harvey
Weinstein thing.
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There isn't a place in
our culture right now
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where women who have
these abuses happen to them
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can go and get taken seriously.
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Unfortunately,
you have to use the media to do that.
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"Waking up this morning
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"to almost every woman
friend of mine with this status
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"moved me to tears,
and then rage.
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"I used to think that these
things never happened to me,
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"but it has.
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"In England at a rave.
In Israel in a bathroom.
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"And most recently
in Knox Woods,
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"Clifton Park, New York.
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"Naked, pinned down,
mutilated, and videotaped."
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"Me too."
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I just got a notification.
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- A - notification about what?
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- Really?
- It's, like, popping up.
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- Holy shit! Holy shit!
- You just got it? Let's see.
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- Look!
- "To join the self-help group's inner circle,
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"some women provided compromising
material about themselves.
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Then they were held
down and branded."
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It's happening.
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Wow, no,
this shit's about to explode.
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It's front page
of the "New York Times."
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- This is what we wanted!
- That's very good.
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Oh, my God! Oh, my God!
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With the "MeToo" shit,
this is going viral.
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Holy fuck. Nip!
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I'm front page of the
"New York" fucking "Times."
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Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
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Wow. -
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- Shit, Sarah.
- Oh, my God. There's a picture of my brand.
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"Albany, last March,
five women gathered in a home near here
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to enter a secret sisterhood they were
told was created to empower women."
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"A copy of a text
message Mr. Raniere sent
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"to a female follower indicates
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"that he knew women
were being branded,
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and the symbols designed
incorporated his initials."
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"If it were Abraham
Lincoln's or Bill Gates' initials,
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no one would care."
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That's what he said to somebody?
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"Several former members
have asked state authorities
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"to investigate the
group's activities,
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but officials have
declined to pursue action."
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Yep.
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Fuck you all. Shitheads.
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Hold on. Mark's calling.
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- Hi.
- Holy fuck.
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My phone has just been going,
like I'm literally,
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- phone call to phone call to phone call.
- Oh, my God.
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Like, I gotta go.
Here's Mark. Gotta go. Here's Mom.
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- Gotta go. There's a reporter. There's the...
- There's my chiropractor.
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There's my chiropractor. I missed
my chiropractic appointment.
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In some ways, this is like,
like another beginning now.
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Yeah, no,
the fireworks are gonna start.
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There's a certain,
like, unloading
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- of emotion going on.
- Yeah.
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I love you, Bonnie.
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I love you, Sarah.
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No,
seriously. I really fuckin' love you.
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- You were so brave.
- I love you, too.
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We're having a moment.
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You were the bravest, first one.
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That must have been scary as
fuck to try and leave when you did.
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It's just... This is crazy.
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This is gonna
be a roller coaster.
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It's gonna have inertia going one way,
inertia going the other.
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But I think it's a steady climb,
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- towards, whatever. Justice. Whatever. I mean...
- Absolutely.
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What are they gonna do now?
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What is the worst-case
scenario they're gonna do?
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Yep. Agreed.
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Love you. Bye.
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Barry, it's Catherine Oxenberg.
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I just finished
reading the article,
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and I want to thank you
from the bottom of my heart.
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This is gonna help
save my daughter.
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I'm so incredibly grateful.
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- Hi!
- How's it going?
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Welcome to
the "New York Times" party.
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The party's gettin' started.
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Hi. Just to let you know,
you're on speaker.
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There's a bunch of
ex-ESPians at my house.
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We're having a "New
York Times" party.
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- Hey, guys.
- Hey.
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Everyone's on their phone,
texting, tweeting.
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Sending it to people
who are still in,
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making sure the
right person sends it,
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so we don't trigger their pride.
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We're a little, we're a little,
we're a little...
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Oh, someone's trying to...
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Barbara Bouchey is
trying to call me right now.
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- Oh, my God. -
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Should I answer that?
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Some people say, "I'm too busy!
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I can't squeeze anything in!"
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You're exactly the type of
person that needs the program.
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You know why? Your life
is obviously controlling you.
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- Sarah?
- Hi, Barb.
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Yeah. I
think that was very smart.
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And I posted the "MeToo."
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You should go on my
Facebook and check it out.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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So, I just...
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No. You're not alone anymore.
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You guys already know this from
Mark. Barbara was my field trainer.
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Barb taught me... taught me everything.
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- Everything you know?
- Everything I know.
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- That was, that was her?
- That was her.
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You told me that story,
but I didn't know it was Barbara Bouchey.
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- I guess her name was blacklisted back then.
- Yeah.
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- Now you're back.
- Now you're back.
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Well, I'm hoping perhaps
the authorities will take another look.
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So this is it.
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These are the old... VHS.
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I haven't seen
them in ten years.
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And so, we're gonna be
watching them for the first time.
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April 2009,
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myself and eight
key women resigned.
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We thought that people
would wake up at NXIVM,
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that we could get the government involved,
and hold Keith accountable.
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This needs to stop.
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It's manipulative and deceptive,
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and not transparent,
and you don't know that.
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Of course,
it didn't do anything.
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Yes,
and I decided to surprise Keith.
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His father gave me some
videos when he was a little kid,
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and so I compiled that.
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This was his song that he
would play for me all the time,
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by Led Zeppelin,
that says "thank you."
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So, of course, I put it in there,
'cause, you know...
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I'm a romantic.
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- That's me. So...
- Why'd you make this tape?
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It was his birthday.
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And, you know, I... At this point now,
was in love with him.
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So, yeah, so I started the
trend of creating tribute videos.
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I did one for Nancy
for her birthday.
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Okay, are you ready?
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Who is Nancy Salzman to you?
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Nancy Salzman,
I met in the late '80s.
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Nancy was a therapist, and I was
referred to her for stress management.
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My mom died when I was eight.
My dad was a severe alcoholic.
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And, uh,
I would get stressed out about things,
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'cause I needed to
control my environment.
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So Nancy, she helped me a lot,
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and we became friends.
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And around the year 1999,
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um, she, uh,
tried to convince me to take a workshop.
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She and Keith had formed the company at
that time called Executive Success Programs.
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It was the first time in my life
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that I visited those wounds,
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and that childhood trauma.
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There's a part of our existence
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that is indescribable.
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Like, for example,
the experience of pain.
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You could say, "Well, you have nerves
that fire and go up into your brain."
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Those are signals. That's
not the experience of pain.
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Because there are certain
aspects where you really like pain.
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Ever have someone hit
the volleyball at you fast?
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Really hard, and you receive it?
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Doesn't it feel neat
when you hit it?
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You know that's pain.
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Good pain, though.
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Let's go! Ooh! Aye-ya! Oh!
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Get it, get it, get it, get it!
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Good. Oh! Uh-oh! Up. Good!
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Oh!
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The last thing I
needed was a boyfriend,
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and I didn't find
him attractive.
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But after taking the program,
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I began to admire
and respect his mind.
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Thank you so much.
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You take my balls... You
take my balls and go home?
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Wait a minute now!
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- I mean, that's a nice offer, I guess.
- Like, I say that...
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Oh.
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Keith began flirting
with me and pursuing me.
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Do you want to take my balls?
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But it wasn't until months later
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that I actually
started dating him.
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And he would say...
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"You are not like anybody else."
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'Cause I was business woman,
and I was all self-made.
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I could match him in a way
that other people couldn't.
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Keith told me that we
would work together
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to help make a
difference in the world.
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Hello, everyone. It's, uh,
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it's an honor to be on
this call this evening.
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I was 40 years old,
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and had a highly successful
financial planning firm,
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a couple million
dollars in the bank,
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and my business was
worth a couple of million,
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and one could say I had it all.
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But I didn't.
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And I gave up making millions
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to help build the company.
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I was the first board member
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on the very first
executive board.
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I created Vanguard week.
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...They had
no sales or marketing material.
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And, you know,
they didn't have any professional image.
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Do you
feel like a supermodel yet?
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So that's my business
sense that I brought to the table.
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During my time there,
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I was personally responsible
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for probably enrolling
hundreds. Maybe a thousand.
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So, 24 messages
since I last looked at Facebook.
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I'm looking at Twitter now.
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Generally, the overall is,
248
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"Holy fuck,
I'm so glad you're out. You're so brave."
249
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Every now and
then I'm getting a,
250
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"What the fuck? How
could you let that happen?"
251
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It makes me sound stupid,
but whatever.
252
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You don't...
253
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People don't understand that,
though.
254
00:15:42,464 --> 00:15:44,523
You don't, you don't get to be neutral.
255
00:15:44,547 --> 00:15:47,130
You're gonna get
praised and punished for it.
256
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"I don't
feel sorry for them at all.
257
00:15:50,839 --> 00:15:53,297
"These people in the Vancouver
chapter were aggressive,
258
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"cliquey, and downright abusive
in some of their recruitment tactics
259
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"of people within the Vancouver
yoga and acting communities.
260
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Predators."
261
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Holy shit. - Wow.
262
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"Why would any woman
subject herself to a tattoo
263
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after being made to say, 'Master,
please brand me. It would be an honor.'"
264
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Sarah? Sarah?
265
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"It's so shockingly
sad that these women felt so lost
266
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in their lives."
267
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"No red flags were flapping?
268
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No one thought,
'Wait a minute? What?'"
269
00:16:31,381 --> 00:16:34,547
"I know we're not supposed
to blame victims, but come on."
270
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- No, no, no, no!
- It's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
271
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It's okay. Come here. Come here,
come here.
272
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This is my life in general,
but it's way worse right now.
273
00:16:56,130 --> 00:16:57,839
I want Mommy!
274
00:16:57,923 --> 00:16:59,839
Okay, but,
but she's busy right now,
275
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so you gotta give her five minutes,
and then she'll come...
276
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No!
277
00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:05,089
Troy, Troy, look at me.
278
00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:07,214
Barb?
279
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The comments on
the "New York Times,"
280
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I'm really recognizing
specifically how
281
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the main thing that Barry missed
282
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was the steps into
getting involved.
283
00:17:16,422 --> 00:17:20,589
And the psychology
behind the coercion. So...
284
00:17:21,923 --> 00:17:23,089
Yeah.
285
00:17:24,923 --> 00:17:25,964
Yep.
286
00:17:38,047 --> 00:17:39,547
Someone just sent me a link.
287
00:17:39,631 --> 00:17:42,381
"Shocking allegations about
Capital Region calling group a cult."
288
00:17:42,464 --> 00:17:44,130
Let's, let's play it together.
289
00:17:44,214 --> 00:17:45,881
The report out today says that
290
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some female members
have been branded
291
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with the founder's initials.
292
00:17:49,464 --> 00:17:51,184
- What?
- Channel 13's Dan Bazile
293
00:17:51,214 --> 00:17:54,297
digs deeper into the
underworld of cults...
294
00:17:54,381 --> 00:17:55,714
Oh, my God.
295
00:17:55,798 --> 00:17:57,190
Does that mean nobody
wants to talk to me?
296
00:17:57,214 --> 00:17:58,673
They shut the door on us,
297
00:17:58,756 --> 00:18:00,714
a sure sign they didn't
want to say a word
298
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about some serious allegations
299
00:18:02,673 --> 00:18:04,023
in the "New York Times."
300
00:18:04,047 --> 00:18:05,839
What is happening,
essentially...
301
00:18:05,923 --> 00:18:07,673
Jesus.
302
00:18:07,756 --> 00:18:09,756
These are pictures of me,
by the way.
303
00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:12,005
...your lack of a self.
304
00:18:14,047 --> 00:18:15,339
The person who joins the cult
305
00:18:15,422 --> 00:18:17,172
and the person
who invents the cult,
306
00:18:17,255 --> 00:18:19,798
they kind of suffer
from the same disease.
307
00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:22,005
This kind of fragility,
or narcissism.
308
00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:34,464
So,
I'd say best-case scenario is
309
00:18:34,547 --> 00:18:36,047
there's enough public outrage
310
00:18:36,130 --> 00:18:38,673
for law enforcement to go,
"Okay. We got it from here."
311
00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:47,422
- Yeah.
- Look, the branding and all that,
312
00:18:47,506 --> 00:18:48,839
is the headline. Right?
313
00:18:48,923 --> 00:18:51,255
And that's the
physical manifestation
314
00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:52,923
of multiple abuses,
315
00:18:53,005 --> 00:18:54,547
primarily in the
emotional realm,
316
00:18:54,631 --> 00:18:56,631
which are harder to quantify,
and harder to prove.
317
00:18:56,714 --> 00:19:00,673
It's very important that that's
the narrative of what's being told.
318
00:19:02,255 --> 00:19:04,089
The Union... "Times Union" guy?
319
00:19:04,172 --> 00:19:06,214
- Yeah, I think so, too.
- Yep.
320
00:19:09,964 --> 00:19:11,631
Oh, my goodness.
321
00:19:14,589 --> 00:19:16,214
Yeah. -
322
00:19:16,297 --> 00:19:18,923
So,
what was left on the cutting room floor
323
00:19:19,005 --> 00:19:20,881
- for you, when you thought...
- Yeah. A lot.
324
00:19:20,964 --> 00:19:24,464
A lot. And, you know,
they broke the story, but you can, um,
325
00:19:24,547 --> 00:19:27,089
you can... you can do the rest.
326
00:19:27,172 --> 00:19:30,839
They left out the nuances of
how the recruitment was done.
327
00:19:30,923 --> 00:19:34,339
If they had said, "Hey, do you
wanna get Keith's and Allison's initials
328
00:19:34,422 --> 00:19:35,506
branded on your vagina?"
329
00:19:35,589 --> 00:19:37,839
I definitely would have said no.
330
00:19:37,923 --> 00:19:41,339
Um,
but it was step by step by step by step.
331
00:19:41,422 --> 00:19:43,881
You know,
people's boundaries and conscience
332
00:19:43,964 --> 00:19:46,130
are being messed with here.
333
00:19:46,214 --> 00:19:49,047
Keith assumes this moral high
ground that he just doesn't have,
334
00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:53,547
but he's convinced an insular
group of people that it exists.
335
00:19:53,631 --> 00:19:57,381
And then, they don't take in any
more information from the real world.
336
00:19:57,464 --> 00:20:01,130
And also, they left
out that with the women at the top,
337
00:20:01,214 --> 00:20:04,714
sex with Keith is part
of the enlightenment.
338
00:20:07,214 --> 00:20:09,297
There are people sitting
over in the chairs there.
339
00:20:09,381 --> 00:20:11,089
I don't think they need to.
340
00:20:11,673 --> 00:20:13,756
- Who? - To our left.
341
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:17,047
Around 2006,
342
00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:19,172
a lot of people had
bought into the belief
343
00:20:19,255 --> 00:20:22,506
that Keith was really,
truly an enlightened being.
344
00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:25,339
And if you have
sex with the guru,
345
00:20:25,422 --> 00:20:28,714
it actually moves
your evolution.
346
00:20:28,798 --> 00:20:30,214
No, it's up here.
347
00:20:30,297 --> 00:20:33,047
But did they
see a halo over his head?
348
00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:36,798
Did the bells ring, you know? No,
I didn't have any of that.
349
00:20:37,798 --> 00:20:39,297
But the truth is,
350
00:20:39,381 --> 00:20:41,964
I had a lot of
intimacy problems.
351
00:20:43,673 --> 00:20:45,964
If you grew up without touch,
352
00:20:46,047 --> 00:20:49,297
without cuddling,
without being hugged...
353
00:20:50,339 --> 00:20:54,422
I don't know...
You can't receive.
354
00:20:54,506 --> 00:20:59,172
Keith was very loving, gentle,
attentive, affectionate.
355
00:20:59,255 --> 00:21:03,923
And he helped me
work through a lot of that.
356
00:21:04,005 --> 00:21:08,631
To accept love, to receive love.
357
00:21:10,673 --> 00:21:14,464
I really felt that, um,
he was my soulmate.
358
00:21:18,172 --> 00:21:20,464
And the women
in the inner circle
359
00:21:20,547 --> 00:21:24,005
who lived with him
for decades said that.
360
00:21:24,881 --> 00:21:26,923
Recorder on you.
361
00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:30,923
He was living
with Karen Unterreiner.
362
00:21:32,214 --> 00:21:33,297
Pam Cafritz.
363
00:21:33,381 --> 00:21:35,089
What's Odin?
364
00:21:35,172 --> 00:21:36,673
Odin? - Woman: Mm-hmm.
365
00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:38,506
Is a Norse God.
366
00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:40,005
And Kristin Keeffe.
367
00:21:40,089 --> 00:21:41,106
Which color
368
00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:42,756
do you think I
should dye my hair?
369
00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:44,881
This is an important question.
370
00:21:47,047 --> 00:21:48,798
This. Has more red.
371
00:21:48,881 --> 00:21:50,464
Can you make it
lighter or darker,
372
00:21:50,547 --> 00:21:51,732
depending on how
long you treat it?
373
00:21:51,756 --> 00:21:52,798
You can look back
374
00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:54,422
and always see the red flags.
375
00:21:54,506 --> 00:21:57,923
But, they presented it like,
you know, a dormitory.
376
00:21:58,714 --> 00:22:00,381
When I walked into his house,
377
00:22:00,464 --> 00:22:02,839
whoever was in there made
room for me to sit next to him.
378
00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:06,297
So, for all general purposes,
what I could see,
379
00:22:06,381 --> 00:22:08,047
I was the girlfriend.
380
00:22:08,631 --> 00:22:10,714
There's something about me
381
00:22:10,798 --> 00:22:13,297
that I can carry on
382
00:22:13,381 --> 00:22:15,631
a very odd life.
383
00:22:15,714 --> 00:22:17,839
And in some ways...
384
00:22:19,631 --> 00:22:21,964
Yeah, it's odd in a lot of ways.
385
00:22:22,047 --> 00:22:24,172
Like again, the number of women
386
00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:25,923
that have been
with me a long time.
387
00:22:26,005 --> 00:22:27,357
You've been with
me almost 30 years.
388
00:22:27,381 --> 00:22:29,130
You've been with
me almost 20 years.
389
00:22:29,923 --> 00:22:32,089
How does that happen?
390
00:22:32,506 --> 00:22:34,089
Why me?
391
00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:56,297
Everyone that's ever
received a Hallmark card,
392
00:22:56,381 --> 00:22:59,172
someone said something about
someone touching their heart.
393
00:22:59,255 --> 00:23:01,089
It sounds good
and it may be true,
394
00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:05,047
but how do you express to an
audience who doesn't know me at all,
395
00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:06,547
do you say, "He touches my..."
396
00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:07,964
If you saw a video about...
397
00:23:08,047 --> 00:23:11,130
A bunch of people saying a
guy touches someone's heart,
398
00:23:11,214 --> 00:23:15,047
what do you get from
that? Do you really get it?
399
00:23:15,130 --> 00:23:17,964
Why is that I can
have a relationship with
400
00:23:18,047 --> 00:23:20,464
multiple women for a long time?
401
00:23:24,673 --> 00:23:26,047
Not for about a year.
402
00:23:28,255 --> 00:23:30,714
Woo! Ladies and gentlemen,
403
00:23:30,798 --> 00:23:33,089
put your hands together
and get ready to sing
404
00:23:33,172 --> 00:23:35,172
a very happy
birthday one time...
405
00:23:35,255 --> 00:23:38,589
The count of three,
from everybody... One!
406
00:23:38,673 --> 00:23:41,214
Two! Three!
407
00:23:45,923 --> 00:23:48,089
Well,
this is the party if you wanna...
408
00:23:48,172 --> 00:23:49,839
I think Nancy
can't help herself...
409
00:24:06,297 --> 00:24:07,798
I know.
410
00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:10,839
To the. Oh, all right.
411
00:24:17,005 --> 00:24:18,005
Barbara Jeske.
412
00:24:29,381 --> 00:24:33,589
Keith said,
"So I have sex with Barbara.
413
00:24:35,547 --> 00:24:37,756
What's the big deal?"
414
00:24:40,798 --> 00:24:43,339
And maybe once,
twice a year, that's all,
415
00:24:43,422 --> 00:24:45,547
he had sex with her
as her guru teacher.
416
00:24:50,005 --> 00:24:53,089
But then,
I found out about the next woman.
417
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:54,422
Pamela Cafritz.
418
00:24:55,673 --> 00:24:57,714
And I confronted them.
419
00:24:57,798 --> 00:25:00,589
And they didn't hold back.
420
00:25:00,673 --> 00:25:01,923
"Yep."
421
00:25:03,047 --> 00:25:06,047
And then all this
other stuff came out.
422
00:25:06,881 --> 00:25:09,005
Karen Unterreiner.
423
00:25:09,089 --> 00:25:13,255
'Cause now I'm suspicious of
everybody he's living with in that house.
424
00:25:16,089 --> 00:25:17,923
I'm looking for someone.
425
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:28,005
It's getting hot.
426
00:25:28,089 --> 00:25:29,482
During my nine years there,
427
00:25:29,506 --> 00:25:31,589
there were 12 women
he was intimate with.
428
00:25:33,547 --> 00:25:35,506
I was humiliated.
429
00:25:35,589 --> 00:25:38,464
I felt betrayed. I was in shock.
430
00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:44,714
But you don't know things and
you don't know people, until you do.
431
00:25:45,589 --> 00:25:48,798
And everybody is a
blend of good and bad.
432
00:25:51,130 --> 00:25:55,673
And you can't see the bad if you
don't understand how they use the good.
433
00:26:02,964 --> 00:26:05,381
Oh, thanks, babe. Thank you.
434
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:08,964
Okay,
here we go. First radio interview.
435
00:26:09,714 --> 00:26:11,673
Thank you.
436
00:26:11,756 --> 00:26:15,130
- Sit right here.
- Okay.
437
00:26:15,214 --> 00:26:19,214
The last 12 hours have
been actually pretty insane.
438
00:26:19,297 --> 00:26:22,964
All of a sudden, it's like,
"Holy shit. The whole world knows."
439
00:26:23,047 --> 00:26:26,297
It's hard to
know how it reads to people
440
00:26:26,381 --> 00:26:28,047
who don't know
about any of this.
441
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:31,881
Because now that I'm out and I'm
looking at the people who are still in,
442
00:26:31,964 --> 00:26:33,756
they just look crazy.
443
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,422
And so like, the, you know,
the frog in the pot of boiling water,
444
00:26:37,506 --> 00:26:41,506
what was implanted from the
very beginning that's caused,
445
00:26:41,589 --> 00:26:42,964
um...
446
00:26:44,756 --> 00:26:47,297
you know,
such a fracture in my psychology
447
00:26:47,381 --> 00:26:50,464
that I would even get to
the point where I said, "Okay,
448
00:26:50,547 --> 00:26:53,172
Master,
it would be an honor to brand me."
449
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,214
Um...
450
00:26:56,297 --> 00:26:58,381
That night,
it was like a horror show.
451
00:26:58,464 --> 00:27:02,047
And then there's Lauren saying,
"You a green. You need to do this." And,
452
00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,422
"What does it mean, Sarah?"
453
00:27:04,506 --> 00:27:06,881
What does it mean to be afraid?
454
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,631
Like,
this is the kind of mind-fuckery.
455
00:27:11,714 --> 00:27:15,422
It was immediately always flipped
back to you, being your issue.
456
00:27:17,547 --> 00:27:19,756
A lot of people are reaching out,
like, "Oh, my God.
457
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:21,255
Like, what man did this to you?"
458
00:27:21,339 --> 00:27:24,464
And technically,
it was the women.
459
00:27:24,547 --> 00:27:26,547
It was the women
who pinned me down.
460
00:27:26,631 --> 00:27:29,297
It was the women who scarred me.
461
00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:32,089
It was the women who
did the manipulation.
462
00:27:33,464 --> 00:27:35,297
But it was under
direction of a man.
463
00:27:35,381 --> 00:27:38,714
And it was all for, in my opinion,
a man's pleasure.
464
00:27:40,005 --> 00:27:43,005
And I didn't really
recognize how much
465
00:27:43,089 --> 00:27:46,130
that was a massive, um,
466
00:27:46,214 --> 00:27:48,964
assault on me
emotionally and physically,
467
00:27:49,047 --> 00:27:51,089
and I just felt
compelled to share it.
468
00:27:52,506 --> 00:27:56,798
And these women feel it's a beautiful,
noble attempt
469
00:27:56,881 --> 00:27:58,172
to teach women strength,
470
00:27:58,255 --> 00:28:00,005
and to teach women empowerment.
471
00:28:00,089 --> 00:28:02,255
To be the type of
women that they could be,
472
00:28:02,339 --> 00:28:04,297
and I am fucking
that up for them.
473
00:28:10,631 --> 00:28:13,130
This is from
Keith. "Happy birthday."
474
00:28:13,214 --> 00:28:14,756
"Dance like no
one's watching you.
475
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:16,464
"Sing like no one can hear you.
476
00:28:16,547 --> 00:28:19,005
"Love like you've
never been hurt before.
477
00:28:19,089 --> 00:28:21,172
And live like it's
heaven on Earth."
478
00:28:21,255 --> 00:28:24,339
And he wrote, "I just think
of you every time I read this.
479
00:28:24,422 --> 00:28:25,881
I love you, Keith."
480
00:28:28,464 --> 00:28:30,714
There's a lot of people
think there's nothing wrong
481
00:28:30,798 --> 00:28:34,673
with multiple consenting
sexual relationships.
482
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:37,172
And these women
bought into that concept,
483
00:28:37,255 --> 00:28:41,297
and also the concept that it
was the way to evolve your soul.
484
00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:45,339
I just had a
problem with it all.
485
00:28:46,964 --> 00:28:49,506
We have an amazing show.
486
00:28:49,589 --> 00:28:52,714
So, once I found out about
some of the other women,
487
00:28:52,798 --> 00:28:54,923
Keith stopped talking to me.
488
00:28:55,005 --> 00:28:59,005
Until the inner circle all
met with me for three days.
489
00:29:00,297 --> 00:29:02,214
You know,
"Keith is your soulmate."
490
00:29:02,297 --> 00:29:04,589
"What's the big deal?"
491
00:29:04,673 --> 00:29:06,547
"Makes you really
angry and jealous.
492
00:29:06,631 --> 00:29:11,255
Wouldn't you rather not
have those feelings anymore?"
493
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,506
And I did love Keith.
494
00:29:14,589 --> 00:29:17,381
And I wanted to get
through my issues.
495
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,673
I didn't like feeling jealous.
496
00:29:19,756 --> 00:29:21,714
I didn't like feeling angry.
497
00:29:21,798 --> 00:29:24,589
I felt out of control.
498
00:29:24,673 --> 00:29:30,756
I gave it the Girl Scout try to
not be so attached to the penis.
499
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,089
But anytime Keith and
I had a disagreement,
500
00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:36,255
or an argument, he'd hang up.
501
00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,422
And then I'd get the phone
call within five minutes
502
00:29:39,506 --> 00:29:42,547
from one of those other women.
503
00:29:42,631 --> 00:29:45,547
"Keith says that
you're blaming him."
504
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:50,506
"He's flat out on the
couch. You wiped him out."
505
00:29:51,589 --> 00:29:53,381
"Keith is not gonna talk to you,
506
00:29:53,464 --> 00:29:55,464
"until we work through
this issue with you,
507
00:29:55,547 --> 00:29:57,297
and we give you
the green light."
508
00:30:00,339 --> 00:30:04,005
They made me think
that I was just crazy.
509
00:30:05,798 --> 00:30:07,798
That went on for years.
510
00:30:07,881 --> 00:30:09,673
I mean, I remember one time,
511
00:30:09,756 --> 00:30:12,589
they came in 60 days in a row.
512
00:30:12,673 --> 00:30:15,047
Groups to mentor me.
513
00:30:15,589 --> 00:30:17,172
So what is blame?
514
00:30:22,673 --> 00:30:24,381
A way to be right.
515
00:30:29,297 --> 00:30:30,881
Being a victim.
516
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,798
NXIVM
released a statement saying
517
00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:38,798
they firmly oppose
violence and abuse.
518
00:30:38,881 --> 00:30:41,714
They also say the
allegations are unfounded.
519
00:30:45,964 --> 00:30:47,756
Uh,
I'm looking at India's Facebook.
520
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:53,589
Okay,
so she posted the official NXIVM statement.
521
00:30:57,047 --> 00:30:59,047
And she says,
"For anyone who's read
522
00:30:59,130 --> 00:31:00,732
"the recent article from
the 'New York Times, '
523
00:31:00,756 --> 00:31:02,255
"this may help answer
some questions,
524
00:31:02,339 --> 00:31:03,506
and alleviate any confusion."
525
00:31:03,589 --> 00:31:05,190
Which it doesn't. It
doesn't address anything.
526
00:31:05,214 --> 00:31:06,839
It makes us even more confused.
527
00:31:06,923 --> 00:31:08,273
"Thank you for your
care and concern,
528
00:31:08,297 --> 00:31:09,565
"It's been an
incredibly sad situation,
529
00:31:09,589 --> 00:31:11,631
"and I've anticipated
this article.
530
00:31:11,714 --> 00:31:13,714
"I am absolutely fine. Great,
actually.
531
00:31:13,798 --> 00:31:16,464
"I would never put myself or
the people I love into any danger.
532
00:31:16,547 --> 00:31:18,214
"These are my
friends and colleagues.
533
00:31:18,297 --> 00:31:20,714
"I've never seen anything
but good come out of this work.
534
00:31:20,798 --> 00:31:24,798
Please share if you feel compelled to let
people know what's really going on. India."
535
00:31:28,422 --> 00:31:29,464
I doubt it.
536
00:31:32,589 --> 00:31:35,339
Uh,
I think she has people pushing her.
537
00:31:35,422 --> 00:31:36,839
I mean,
538
00:31:36,923 --> 00:31:40,130
this is so hard. Oh, my God.
539
00:31:41,506 --> 00:31:45,005
So this woman says,
"I don't know you as a woman and sister,
540
00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:46,798
"but I'm compelled
to write to you.
541
00:31:46,881 --> 00:31:48,964
"We live in intense
and confusing times,
542
00:31:49,047 --> 00:31:51,297
"and we've all a
drive to feel that
543
00:31:51,381 --> 00:31:54,714
"we play a meaningful
part in this mysterious life.
544
00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:56,964
"Being without
meaning can be scary.
545
00:31:57,047 --> 00:32:00,005
"Not knowing how to
navigate this life can be scary.
546
00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:03,714
"But maybe ask yourself,
what exactly are you so invested in
547
00:32:03,798 --> 00:32:06,005
guarding, hiding,
keeping in the shadows?"
548
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,547
Come on.
549
00:32:14,172 --> 00:32:17,673
Before I quit,
I broke up with Keith.
550
00:32:17,756 --> 00:32:21,255
And then we needed to figure out
how I could work within the organization,
551
00:32:21,339 --> 00:32:23,631
which I still thought
had a lot of good,
552
00:32:23,714 --> 00:32:27,464
where Keith and I had
a platonic relationship.
553
00:32:27,547 --> 00:32:30,464
Well,
Keith stopped talking to me.
554
00:32:30,547 --> 00:32:33,589
And you cannot be a high-ranking
person in an organization
555
00:32:33,673 --> 00:32:36,714
where the leader
is not talking to you.
556
00:32:36,798 --> 00:32:39,005
And then Keith
and the inner circle
557
00:32:39,089 --> 00:32:43,297
secretly told people that the
reason they saw me distressed
558
00:32:43,381 --> 00:32:44,714
and emotional
559
00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:48,255
was because my soul
had an ethical breach.
560
00:32:49,506 --> 00:32:52,172
They actually told
people I was going crazy.
561
00:32:52,255 --> 00:32:54,964
And nobody told anybody
562
00:32:55,047 --> 00:32:56,839
that I had had a
relationship with Keith,
563
00:32:56,923 --> 00:32:59,381
and that it was all
because I broke up with him.
564
00:33:01,339 --> 00:33:03,422
How dare I?
565
00:33:03,506 --> 00:33:04,881
Where are you going?
566
00:33:04,964 --> 00:33:07,631
No, I was just waiting
to talk to you before I left.
567
00:33:07,714 --> 00:33:09,673
- I was gonna go check on Lauren.
- Okay.
568
00:33:09,756 --> 00:33:12,964
By using sex
and intimacy with women,
569
00:33:13,047 --> 00:33:16,089
it allowed him to then
unduly influence them,
570
00:33:16,172 --> 00:33:18,422
and gain more control and power.
571
00:33:20,214 --> 00:33:23,130
In Keith's world,
not having an intimate relationship
572
00:33:23,214 --> 00:33:25,506
with someone key
in the organization
573
00:33:25,589 --> 00:33:27,339
was the kiss of death for him.
574
00:33:33,506 --> 00:33:36,130
He was losing
control of me fast.
575
00:33:38,547 --> 00:33:41,839
I had about 40 NXIVM
coaches and proctors
576
00:33:41,923 --> 00:33:44,839
who confided in me issues
with leadership and hierarchy,
577
00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:47,172
and I was gaining
momentum with this.
578
00:33:47,255 --> 00:33:50,214
- What is this?
- This is my "V" meter.
579
00:33:51,881 --> 00:33:54,756
It tells you how close you
are to being fully integrated.
580
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:56,714
One of them was Susan Dones,
581
00:33:56,798 --> 00:33:58,839
who ran the center in Seattle.
582
00:33:58,923 --> 00:34:00,297
Two 16-days,
583
00:34:00,381 --> 00:34:04,297
- four level twos, and about 500 EMs.
- Wow!
584
00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:11,547
It's like I had one foot
in and one foot out.
585
00:34:11,631 --> 00:34:13,732
Well, what's the difference
between a hundred percent honesty
586
00:34:13,756 --> 00:34:15,047
and a hundred
percent disclosure?
587
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:17,130
What's the difference
between those?
588
00:34:27,964 --> 00:34:29,381
And, you know,
589
00:34:29,464 --> 00:34:32,005
I spent hardly any time
at all with Keith Raniere,
590
00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:35,047
but I didn't like the whole, um,
591
00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:37,589
guru-y kind of thing with him.
592
00:34:37,673 --> 00:34:40,047
So,
back to the whole thing about titles.
593
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:43,047
So, we have... We all got together,
and...
594
00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:45,381
"Vanguard" got the
highest number of votes.
595
00:34:45,464 --> 00:34:47,506
I didn't want to
be called "master."
596
00:34:49,381 --> 00:34:50,756
I asked Barbara, I said,
597
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:53,381
"Why is Keith not
talking to you?"
598
00:34:53,464 --> 00:34:55,339
And she said,
"I can assure you that
599
00:34:55,422 --> 00:34:58,089
"I haven't done anything bad.
600
00:34:58,172 --> 00:35:01,047
"But I can't talk
to you about why,
601
00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,756
um, Keith and I aren't talking."
602
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:07,130
And so then I shared with her
that I was thinking of leaving.
603
00:35:07,214 --> 00:35:09,130
And she said, "Don't leave yet.
604
00:35:09,214 --> 00:35:11,881
Come back to Albany and let's,
let's talk."
605
00:35:11,964 --> 00:35:14,673
And I held a forum at my home
606
00:35:14,756 --> 00:35:17,839
to discuss the issues of NXIVM,
607
00:35:17,923 --> 00:35:20,714
with the intent to address
and confront Keith.
608
00:35:20,798 --> 00:35:22,589
And that's when I found out
609
00:35:22,673 --> 00:35:28,381
the board consisted of all the
women Keith had been sleeping with.
610
00:35:30,881 --> 00:35:35,506
And there were nine strong
women who wanted to confront him.
611
00:37:08,214 --> 00:37:11,964
It was like, "Oh,
my gosh. I'm in a cult."
612
00:37:12,047 --> 00:37:15,673
The nine of us,
after 11 hours with Keith, all resigned.
613
00:37:15,756 --> 00:37:17,714
I shut my center down,
614
00:37:17,798 --> 00:37:20,005
and I told the people I trusted,
615
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:22,798
and so,
we wrote our resignation letter...
616
00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:27,839
asking for money that we
believed that was owed to us.
617
00:37:27,923 --> 00:37:30,881
Some were owed commission,
some were owed trainer fees.
618
00:37:30,964 --> 00:37:34,381
I asked for the value of
what I believed my center was.
619
00:37:34,464 --> 00:37:38,839
Keith and Nancy
personally owed me $1.6 million.
620
00:37:39,547 --> 00:37:40,756
And so, we wrote,
621
00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:42,297
"If these requests are not met,
622
00:37:42,381 --> 00:37:45,130
we are going to move forward
by contacting the press."
623
00:37:49,923 --> 00:37:51,673
- - Oh, thank you.
624
00:37:51,756 --> 00:37:53,839
Please be seated.
625
00:37:53,923 --> 00:37:56,964
Am I sitting... Okay. I
almost sat on the table.
626
00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:00,923
So, I'm here to give you a...
627
00:38:01,005 --> 00:38:03,339
It's sort of a... Well,
it's a mixed thing.
628
00:38:03,422 --> 00:38:04,881
Um...
629
00:38:06,089 --> 00:38:07,923
I had a series of meetings.
630
00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:11,756
Um, the meetings were to
give me feedback on myself,
631
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:15,214
on the organization,
on a number of different things.
632
00:38:15,297 --> 00:38:17,381
And all the feedback's valid,
by the way.
633
00:38:17,464 --> 00:38:20,089
Now,
the long and the short of it is,
634
00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:23,673
I think there are a group of people who
are probably going to leave our community.
635
00:38:25,714 --> 00:38:28,297
It is believed, in this group,
636
00:38:28,381 --> 00:38:31,673
that I have a group of
intimate relationships,
637
00:38:31,756 --> 00:38:33,422
some sexual, some not,
638
00:38:33,506 --> 00:38:36,547
and they say this intimacy
is a control strategy.
639
00:38:36,631 --> 00:38:38,297
Well, clearly is.
640
00:38:38,381 --> 00:38:39,714
I have to be able to trust 'em.
641
00:38:39,798 --> 00:38:41,881
And there are
things that are secret.
642
00:38:41,964 --> 00:38:43,756
I believe in strategic secret...
643
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:47,631
Especially when I believe that
there are people with bad intent.
644
00:38:47,714 --> 00:38:50,214
And I do believe that
645
00:38:50,297 --> 00:38:53,506
a very,
very small minority in this group
646
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:56,464
may not be well-intentioned.
647
00:38:56,547 --> 00:38:59,964
And in a specific case,
648
00:39:00,047 --> 00:39:03,172
there is a personal issue
that I have with one of them.
649
00:39:03,255 --> 00:39:05,673
And I've worked to try to fix it,
worked to try to fix it,
650
00:39:05,756 --> 00:39:07,589
to the best of my ability,
and I failed.
651
00:39:08,881 --> 00:39:10,547
Where did it cross the line?
652
00:39:10,631 --> 00:39:13,673
It crossed the line when the
executive board get a letter
653
00:39:13,756 --> 00:39:16,756
and essentially the letter says,
654
00:39:16,839 --> 00:39:21,297
"We want..." It works out to
two... over two million dollars.
655
00:39:21,381 --> 00:39:23,798
"Uh, and if you don't give us
656
00:39:23,881 --> 00:39:27,422
"coming up this Thursday, a certified
check for the two million dollars,
657
00:39:27,506 --> 00:39:30,339
um, we're going to the press."
658
00:39:30,422 --> 00:39:32,339
This is extortion.
659
00:39:32,422 --> 00:39:35,839
So,
we are filing criminal charges.
660
00:39:35,923 --> 00:39:40,881
It's already in process. Um...
661
00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:45,255
This is very difficult for me,
because these are people I care about.
662
00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:47,631
And people I've
known a very long time.
663
00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:59,089
In some ways it's a
death. In some ways it's a, a birth.
664
00:39:59,172 --> 00:40:01,798
And in some ways, it's a relief.
665
00:40:01,881 --> 00:40:03,381
I hate to say that.
666
00:40:03,464 --> 00:40:05,756
But there... a physical relief.
667
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:09,381
I can divert, um,
my attention, my focus,
668
00:40:09,464 --> 00:40:12,798
even my physical being,
to some other things now.
669
00:40:15,464 --> 00:40:18,798
I have a beautiful
picture in here of the two of them.
670
00:40:18,881 --> 00:40:20,631
Let me find it.
671
00:40:21,798 --> 00:40:24,172
That's Sara and Clare Bronfman.
672
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:27,005
2005,
673
00:40:27,089 --> 00:40:30,172
Keith convinced me to
become their financial planner.
674
00:40:30,798 --> 00:40:32,839
I left April 2009,
675
00:40:32,923 --> 00:40:37,255
and then what happened is,
Clare Bronfman went to the Saratoga D.A.,
676
00:40:37,339 --> 00:40:40,631
to tell them that her financial planner,
Barbara Bouchey,
677
00:40:40,714 --> 00:40:44,631
had an ethical violation with her
and she fired her because of it,
678
00:40:44,714 --> 00:40:48,005
and that Barbara Bouchey,
in revenge and spite,
679
00:40:48,089 --> 00:40:51,506
tried to extort two million dollars
from her and blackmail her.
680
00:40:52,673 --> 00:40:55,506
They used the
resignation letter.
681
00:40:56,381 --> 00:40:58,506
Um, had a knock on my door.
682
00:40:58,589 --> 00:41:02,381
And I was being served,
uh, legal documents
683
00:41:02,464 --> 00:41:05,714
that said that Keith Raniere,
NXIVM, and the Bronfmans
684
00:41:05,798 --> 00:41:10,047
were going to bring civil and
criminal charges against me.
685
00:41:13,005 --> 00:41:16,214
How did they take people
who should have known me,
686
00:41:16,297 --> 00:41:21,047
and experienced me,
and how did they twist it?
687
00:41:22,547 --> 00:41:24,673
- Yeah, we're winning, right?
- No.
688
00:41:24,756 --> 00:41:26,255
No? Not yet.
689
00:41:42,464 --> 00:41:43,964
Thank you so much, Rick.
690
00:41:44,047 --> 00:41:45,839
- Okay.
- All right. Bye-bye.
691
00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:47,589
Okay.
692
00:41:48,381 --> 00:41:50,172
He is a cult expert,
693
00:41:50,255 --> 00:41:52,923
and he knows Keith intimately,
694
00:41:53,005 --> 00:41:56,089
because they kept him in
litigation for about 15 years.
695
00:41:57,047 --> 00:41:59,756
He's been helping me all along.
696
00:42:01,214 --> 00:42:02,839
Hey, Rick. - Ross: Hi.
697
00:42:02,923 --> 00:42:04,881
So, this is Stanley.
698
00:42:04,964 --> 00:42:06,464
Hi.
699
00:42:06,547 --> 00:42:09,422
Stanley has been
a friend of mine since I was 18.
700
00:42:09,506 --> 00:42:11,673
And India actually...
701
00:42:11,756 --> 00:42:13,839
So she just texted
me for the first time
702
00:42:13,923 --> 00:42:17,214
since the, uh,
"New York Times" article.
703
00:42:17,297 --> 00:42:19,297
So, this is what she says.
704
00:42:19,381 --> 00:42:21,756
"Mom, I love you,
but I don't agree with your approach,
705
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,422
"publicly shaming me
and people I care for.
706
00:42:26,214 --> 00:42:29,422
"That's not very considerate
of our private relationship.
707
00:42:29,506 --> 00:42:31,381
"I've been cautious
about our communication,
708
00:42:31,464 --> 00:42:33,106
"and don't think the
people you're working with
709
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:36,089
have your or mine
best interests."
710
00:42:37,547 --> 00:42:40,506
What that kind of verbiage,
to me,
711
00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:42,839
it's like, it's all your fault.
712
00:42:42,923 --> 00:42:45,214
NXIVM never does anything wrong.
713
00:42:45,297 --> 00:42:47,547
Keith Raniere never
does anything wrong.
714
00:42:47,631 --> 00:42:50,297
They never have
anything to address.
715
00:42:50,381 --> 00:42:52,631
Well,
this is what I was going to say.
716
00:42:52,714 --> 00:42:55,047
"You have every right
to be angry with me.
717
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:58,381
"In spite of that, I hope you can
understand that I am coming from love.
718
00:42:58,464 --> 00:43:00,297
I'm a mother afraid
for her daughter."
719
00:43:00,381 --> 00:43:02,815
- Is there anything else I should change?
- That, that's good.
720
00:43:02,839 --> 00:43:06,422
And, and you can say,
"I respect your right to make choices,
721
00:43:06,506 --> 00:43:09,005
and I hope that you
can do the same for me."
722
00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:12,422
Mm-hmm. Except
that my choice is to out her publicly.
723
00:43:12,506 --> 00:43:14,422
How do I justify that?
724
00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:16,148
- I think you have to be careful.
- Okay.
725
00:43:16,172 --> 00:43:18,673
- Because once you start to get into an argument...
- Okay.
726
00:43:18,756 --> 00:43:20,381
That there is probably somebody,
727
00:43:20,464 --> 00:43:22,631
uh, coaching her on her text.
728
00:43:22,714 --> 00:43:24,798
And this is the training.
729
00:43:24,881 --> 00:43:28,756
So he determines the
parameters of reality.
730
00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:31,422
And the women that
are the closest to him
731
00:43:31,506 --> 00:43:33,631
who live in the Albany area,
732
00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:37,464
are the most controlled
people in the entire group.
733
00:43:37,547 --> 00:43:41,130
We don't want to admit that that
could happen to someone we love,
734
00:43:41,214 --> 00:43:44,255
but the human mind
is much more fragile
735
00:43:44,339 --> 00:43:46,547
than we would like to believe.
736
00:43:46,631 --> 00:43:49,964
We are all subject to
influence techniques.
737
00:43:50,047 --> 00:43:54,422
Any anybody,
especially a woman, that says,
738
00:43:54,506 --> 00:43:56,631
"I'm done with you,
Keith Raniere,"
739
00:43:56,714 --> 00:43:58,589
he doesn't like that.
740
00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,089
And I've seen people who he's...
741
00:44:01,172 --> 00:44:03,673
he's utterly
destroyed their life.
742
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:08,964
- A - significant cultural event
743
00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:10,506
for the Capital region.
744
00:44:10,589 --> 00:44:14,339
The appearance of the iconic
spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
745
00:44:14,422 --> 00:44:16,964
The Tibetan Buddhist monk
who won a Nobel Peace Prize
746
00:44:17,047 --> 00:44:19,964
and who has admirers all over
the globe came to Albany today,
747
00:44:20,047 --> 00:44:23,214
as a result of an invitation from
the World Ethical Foundation,
748
00:44:23,297 --> 00:44:24,881
which is founded by two sisters,
749
00:44:24,964 --> 00:44:28,005
heiresses of the
Seagram's liquor corporation.
750
00:44:28,089 --> 00:44:29,798
Two weeks after I quit,
751
00:44:29,881 --> 00:44:33,214
the Dalai Lama agreed
to tack on Albany
752
00:44:33,297 --> 00:44:36,798
to his already 23-city tour.
753
00:44:38,422 --> 00:44:41,339
And then they milked it. I mean,
it was all over their website,
754
00:44:41,422 --> 00:44:44,047
and articles went out,
and, you know, letters.
755
00:44:49,255 --> 00:44:52,506
In the meantime,
behind the scenes,
756
00:44:52,589 --> 00:44:55,798
my whole criminal
case was going on.
757
00:44:55,881 --> 00:45:00,005
And the Bronfmans and Keith
had already networked locally
758
00:45:00,089 --> 00:45:02,214
with many prominent law firms.
759
00:45:02,297 --> 00:45:04,005
The name carried weight,
760
00:45:04,089 --> 00:45:06,047
and I couldn't find an attorney.
761
00:45:08,422 --> 00:45:10,130
Who do you think
wants to represent me?
762
00:45:14,172 --> 00:45:17,339
Um, well,
sometimes there are some people that come
763
00:45:17,422 --> 00:45:19,673
that seem to have bad intent.
764
00:45:19,756 --> 00:45:24,464
But I,
I never want to believe that.
765
00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:29,381
Um, at what point do you
take action definitively?
766
00:45:29,464 --> 00:45:30,798
Oh.
767
00:45:35,464 --> 00:45:38,464
Uh, that, that, uh...
768
00:46:05,798 --> 00:46:08,339
- Oh? -
769
00:46:08,422 --> 00:46:09,422
Oh.
770
00:46:14,172 --> 00:46:15,547
Good.
771
00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:26,047
And after that,
772
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:28,714
I have the actual
NXIVM announcement.
773
00:46:29,714 --> 00:46:31,589
They announced proudly
774
00:46:31,673 --> 00:46:33,881
that they were improving things
775
00:46:33,964 --> 00:46:36,130
and they're gonna
change the board.
776
00:46:38,339 --> 00:46:41,756
He took all the girlfriends off.
777
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:43,798
And then he put Clare Bronfman,
778
00:46:43,881 --> 00:46:45,297
Emiliano Salinas,
779
00:46:45,381 --> 00:46:48,297
and Mark Vicente on the board.
780
00:46:48,381 --> 00:46:52,214
- That's what I'm talkin' about.
- They kind of pulled Mark into the fold.
781
00:46:52,297 --> 00:46:54,714
The person who
was my field trainer originally,
782
00:46:54,798 --> 00:46:57,172
and Mark's field trainer,
is no longer in the company.
783
00:46:58,964 --> 00:47:01,422
So now in the meantime,
they lost Seattle,
784
00:47:01,506 --> 00:47:03,464
because of Susan Dones quitting.
785
00:47:03,547 --> 00:47:05,547
And you had all those
people in Vancouver
786
00:47:05,631 --> 00:47:09,172
that used to sometimes go
down to Seattle for some classes.
787
00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:12,756
So, Mark and Sarah,
788
00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:15,130
Keith and Nancy
very strategically
789
00:47:15,214 --> 00:47:18,381
took a stronger
interest in them.
790
00:47:21,047 --> 00:47:23,255
We're going down the stairs.
791
00:47:24,214 --> 00:47:26,381
The front,
which has a reception.
792
00:47:26,464 --> 00:47:29,172
This would be like a
study hall. White board.
793
00:47:29,255 --> 00:47:32,047
And they got to
open the center in Vancouver.
794
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:38,756
You could say from image,
to financial,
795
00:47:38,839 --> 00:47:41,047
they got lots of benefits.
796
00:47:42,756 --> 00:47:46,589
And as this went on, the Bronfmans
started accusing me of more accusations.
797
00:47:46,673 --> 00:47:49,214
I stole their money,
I misappropriated.
798
00:47:49,297 --> 00:47:52,881
They were bombarding the court.
799
00:47:52,964 --> 00:47:54,714
They said that I had, you know,
800
00:47:54,798 --> 00:47:57,172
done all of these
crimes against them.
801
00:47:57,255 --> 00:48:00,089
And so I had to
defend all of those.
802
00:48:02,255 --> 00:48:06,547
I think there
was 360 court filings filed
803
00:48:06,631 --> 00:48:09,089
in that 10-month period of time.
804
00:48:09,172 --> 00:48:11,172
Three hundred and sixty.
805
00:48:11,255 --> 00:48:13,422
And I couldn't
work during that time,
806
00:48:13,506 --> 00:48:16,589
because I had to
constantly write motions
807
00:48:16,673 --> 00:48:19,673
and go to hearings, and,
and that kind of stuff.
808
00:48:35,506 --> 00:48:37,464
I was broke.
809
00:48:37,547 --> 00:48:40,506
I didn't have $20 in my pocket.
810
00:48:40,589 --> 00:48:44,005
I was shuffling between
being able to buy food,
811
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:45,631
or pay my lawyers.
812
00:48:46,673 --> 00:48:49,130
I think it was, like, 2011,
813
00:48:49,214 --> 00:48:51,255
myself and a couple
other people I know
814
00:48:51,339 --> 00:48:55,005
talked to the, um,
New York State Attorney General,
815
00:48:55,089 --> 00:48:58,964
and we were asked to turn
over lots of documents to them.
816
00:48:59,047 --> 00:49:01,255
And finally they said,
"Stop sending us stuff."
817
00:49:01,339 --> 00:49:03,964
A nd we thought, "Okay,
they have enough information."
818
00:49:04,047 --> 00:49:06,172
Nothing ever happened.
819
00:49:07,297 --> 00:49:09,422
Nothing ever happened.
820
00:49:09,506 --> 00:49:12,422
And the attitude was, "Well,
you know, Miss Bouchey,
821
00:49:12,506 --> 00:49:15,381
"like, aren't you and Keith just bickering,
like in a bad divorce?
822
00:49:15,464 --> 00:49:19,130
"And you know, really,
this is just probably just a big fight.
823
00:49:19,214 --> 00:49:21,673
We've got bigger fish to fry."
824
00:49:22,964 --> 00:49:26,339
I am terrified every
time the doorbell rings,
825
00:49:26,422 --> 00:49:29,631
the phone rings,
every time I open up my email,
826
00:49:29,714 --> 00:49:33,422
that it is another
voluminous filing.
827
00:49:33,506 --> 00:49:35,964
Groups that litigate like this
828
00:49:36,047 --> 00:49:40,130
can drag out these
lawsuits for years.
829
00:49:40,214 --> 00:49:44,589
Hoping to exhaust
you and drain you,
830
00:49:44,673 --> 00:49:47,255
and ultimately, to gag you.
831
00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:54,506
It took me seven years to pay
off the $700,000 in legal debt.
832
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:58,214
And I finally was able to
move here and rebuild my life.
833
00:50:07,381 --> 00:50:09,547
In February 2014,
834
00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,589
Kristin Keeffe quit
NXIVM and left.
835
00:50:13,881 --> 00:50:16,589
And I was the first
person she called.
836
00:50:17,673 --> 00:50:19,047
Great job.
837
00:50:29,464 --> 00:50:32,839
You weren't scared to call me?
838
00:50:32,923 --> 00:50:34,756
Why?
839
00:51:30,798 --> 00:51:33,130
He could have been great.
840
00:51:36,172 --> 00:51:38,381
There was so much potential.
841
00:51:38,464 --> 00:51:41,464
And he did do a lot of great,
good things,
842
00:51:41,547 --> 00:51:46,339
and did help thousands of people,
including me.
843
00:51:59,589 --> 00:52:05,089
It's unfortunate that
his addictions and flaws
844
00:52:05,172 --> 00:52:08,714
destroyed his own consciousness.
845
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:12,631
In that, I forgive him.
846
00:52:14,714 --> 00:52:17,631
But I want to say to him,
847
00:52:17,714 --> 00:52:21,839
"You belong in jail
for the rest of your life."
848
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:27,172
You know,
I don't begrudge anybody anything,
849
00:52:27,255 --> 00:52:29,589
and I don't feel bitter.
850
00:52:29,673 --> 00:52:32,297
I totally get how
851
00:52:32,381 --> 00:52:35,297
each one of you,
at a young age...
852
00:52:36,714 --> 00:52:38,547
...was influenced.
853
00:52:49,714 --> 00:52:51,381
Mm-hmm.
854
00:52:57,089 --> 00:53:00,005
We're headed to, uh, 30 Rock.
855
00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:04,130
30 Rockefeller Plaza to
do the "Megyn Kelly Show."
856
00:53:04,214 --> 00:53:06,255
Everything that I'm
doing right now is targeted
857
00:53:06,339 --> 00:53:08,506
to, uh,
pressure the authorities to step...
858
00:53:08,589 --> 00:53:10,214
To do the right thing.
859
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:15,130
My daughter,
she said I made her look like a lunatic.
860
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:19,589
Sad. I mean, because...
861
00:53:19,673 --> 00:53:22,839
I mean, this is the thing, and this...
I want to get across on the show...
862
00:53:22,923 --> 00:53:26,673
There are times in one's
life as a parent where...
863
00:53:26,756 --> 00:53:29,339
my child's safety comes first.
864
00:53:29,422 --> 00:53:33,839
And her safety is more important
than her liking me right now.
865
00:53:33,923 --> 00:53:35,589
And that's a price
I have to pay.
866
00:53:35,673 --> 00:53:37,964
And it's a big price,
as a parent.
867
00:53:42,964 --> 00:53:45,422
Several of the women
went to the authorities,
868
00:53:45,506 --> 00:53:47,255
and the authorities
dismissed their claims.
869
00:53:47,339 --> 00:53:50,214
They said if a woman consents,
there's nothing they can do.
870
00:53:50,297 --> 00:53:52,464
Well, I'd like to counter that,
because to me,
871
00:53:52,547 --> 00:53:54,255
brainwashing is not consent.
872
00:53:54,339 --> 00:53:56,464
Blackmail is not consent.
873
00:53:56,547 --> 00:53:59,881
So what do you do now?
874
00:53:59,964 --> 00:54:02,631
Well, this is my last resort,
going to the media,
875
00:54:02,714 --> 00:54:06,047
to bring awareness. Because without
awareness, there can be no outrage.
876
00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:08,798
And unless there's outrage,
the authorities are not gonna step in
877
00:54:08,881 --> 00:54:11,506
and do what they should do,
which is shut this down,
878
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:13,589
and stop this from happening.
879
00:54:16,839 --> 00:54:19,714
The fact that they had
all the pictures of us,
880
00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:22,839
like, that was really hard.
881
00:54:24,798 --> 00:54:26,881
I felt, I felt her.
882
00:54:44,798 --> 00:54:46,464
Hi, Barb.
883
00:54:57,214 --> 00:54:59,798
Okay. Big hugs.
884
00:54:59,881 --> 00:55:03,214
Okay. Okay. Bye.
885
00:55:08,422 --> 00:55:09,589
Okay.
886
00:55:10,881 --> 00:55:12,964
In 2009,
when Barbara Bouchey left
887
00:55:13,047 --> 00:55:15,381
and everybody left,
I got a promotion.
888
00:55:17,547 --> 00:55:20,714
I believed the lies about them.
889
00:55:23,964 --> 00:55:25,297
Yeah.
890
00:55:25,381 --> 00:55:27,923
I mean, I'm a victim in
terms of I'm a victim of a con.
891
00:55:28,005 --> 00:55:29,631
But I definitely
had made choices.
892
00:55:29,714 --> 00:55:32,005
I definitely have
lots of responsibility
893
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:33,923
in many bad things
that happened.
894
00:55:34,005 --> 00:55:38,547
But it's not black and white.
You're not one or the other.
895
00:55:38,631 --> 00:55:41,172
- Let's have a pillow fight.
- You wanna have a pillow fight?
896
00:55:41,255 --> 00:55:42,839
- Yeah. - Okay.
897
00:55:59,589 --> 00:56:02,506
Get the pillows!
Get the pillows!
898
00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:05,756
- Oh, no! - Get the pillows!
899
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:07,714
I gotcha. Oh,
we're safe in here.
900
00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,214
- - We're safe.
901
00:56:09,297 --> 00:56:11,190
Yay! Thank you.
902
00:56:11,214 --> 00:56:13,297
This is the wonderful
903
00:56:13,381 --> 00:56:16,714
and amazing goddess, India.
904
00:56:16,798 --> 00:56:18,381
Oh!
905
00:56:21,047 --> 00:56:24,631
Oh, my God,
it's the Attorney General! Oh, my God.
906
00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:27,714
I'm speechless. Holy shit!
907
00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:30,506
One of the parents
of a girl who escaped
908
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:33,214
has been in touch with
the chief investigator
909
00:56:33,297 --> 00:56:34,631
in Eric Schneiderman's office,
910
00:56:34,714 --> 00:56:37,756
and he is ready to talk to me.
911
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:39,881
Oh, my God. Oh, my God!
912
00:57:59,673 --> 00:58:01,547
He was a
business man when I met him.
913
00:58:02,214 --> 00:58:04,714
All of a sudden,
we were supposed to call him Vanguard.
914
00:58:05,964 --> 00:58:07,381
And that was the turning point.
915
00:58:09,297 --> 00:58:10,631
I started to feel uncomfortable
916
00:58:10,714 --> 00:58:12,756
with things going
on with the company.
917
00:58:12,839 --> 00:58:14,357
I thought,
"I'm gonna breakup with him,
918
00:58:14,381 --> 00:58:16,547
and that's going to be
the end of the relationship."
919
00:58:17,214 --> 00:58:18,547
It was just the
beginning of hell.
920
00:58:18,923 --> 00:58:23,297
This is a criminal enterprise
masquerading as personal growth.
921
00:58:23,714 --> 00:58:25,005
The chief investigator
922
00:58:25,089 --> 00:58:27,047
and the attorney
general has reached out.
923
00:58:27,339 --> 00:58:30,214
What we need is evidence
of criminality.
924
00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:34,422
The more people that can
go on the record, the better.
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