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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:10,218 I'm about to check my USC decision. 2 00:00:10,301 --> 00:00:13,930 I know it'll be okay if I don't. I saw a lot of people got rejected, so… 3 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:16,224 I'm already on the page. It says "status update." 4 00:00:16,307 --> 00:00:18,184 - "New update." - I clicked it. 5 00:00:18,268 --> 00:00:19,811 Okay, status update. 6 00:00:19,894 --> 00:00:21,938 This is my ultimate dream school. 7 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:23,898 I'm getting rejected. I already know. 8 00:00:26,526 --> 00:00:28,111 I just clicked it. Oh, my God. 9 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:31,781 Oh, my God. 10 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:33,158 Wait, I got accepted! 11 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:35,952 Oh, my God! 12 00:00:37,871 --> 00:00:39,539 Yeah! 13 00:00:44,252 --> 00:00:45,879 This is some crazy stuff. 14 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:47,297 Let's talk about this. 15 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:51,634 There's been a firestorm of news coverage on a sort of college admissions scandal. 16 00:00:51,718 --> 00:00:54,679 Explosive details about the largest college admissions scam 17 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:57,098 prosecuted by the Department of Justice ever. 18 00:00:57,182 --> 00:01:01,770 Our friends are talking about one thing, this story. It's hit a real nerve. 19 00:01:02,353 --> 00:01:06,483 Real estate executives, a lawyer, doctor and a litany of CEOs, 20 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:08,651 all facing criminal charges. 21 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:12,197 An FBI investigation called Operation Varsity Blues. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,740 Operation Varsity Blues. 23 00:01:13,823 --> 00:01:15,658 Operation Varsity Blues. 24 00:01:15,742 --> 00:01:17,422 How are you after the scandal? 25 00:01:17,452 --> 00:01:20,455 - Are you sorry? - Singer designed the scam 26 00:01:20,538 --> 00:01:22,582 and collected tens of millions of dollars. 27 00:01:22,665 --> 00:01:26,711 Parents paid him top dollar to pass their kids off as star athletes. 28 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:28,435 - Rick Singer. - Rick Singer. 29 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:30,715 - Rick Singer. - Rick Singer. 30 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,593 The mastermind behind the operation. 31 00:01:33,676 --> 00:01:36,221 It is sending shockwaves across the country. 32 00:02:03,456 --> 00:02:06,417 The money goes into my foundation as a donation. 33 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:09,420 To your foundation? Not to the schools. 34 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:12,132 Yeah, that way the kids don't know it happens, right? 35 00:02:13,049 --> 00:02:15,176 You make a financial commitment. 36 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:18,179 What school you want may determine how much that actually is. 37 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:23,101 And so, in terms of things that are more than half million or 300, 38 00:02:23,184 --> 00:02:25,061 what's that set of schools? 39 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:28,606 So that's, uh, Georgetown, Boston College, Georgia Tech, 40 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:32,068 USC, UCLA, Berkeley, you know. 41 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,237 Okay, that's… that's not bad. 42 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:36,915 She's not a terrific student. 43 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:38,449 She's been testing very badly. 44 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:41,536 She's smart. She's gonna figure this out. 45 00:02:41,619 --> 00:02:44,164 She already thinks I'm up to, like, no good. 46 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:46,624 Uh, is Harvard easier 'cause of legacy? 47 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:47,917 No, it's not. 48 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:51,379 - That doesn't mean shit? - Your legacy means zero because… 49 00:02:51,462 --> 00:02:54,215 Unless we're donating to a building, huh? 50 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:56,092 I went to Cornell. 51 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:59,012 I've already given around $750,000 there. 52 00:02:59,095 --> 00:03:00,805 Let's be frank, right? 53 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:03,391 Your 750 is diddly-dink in the world. 54 00:03:03,474 --> 00:03:06,769 I know people who have given $50 million to Cornell. 55 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:09,981 Uh, will you send me where and how I should send the check? 56 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:13,735 Oh, yeah. We'll send it so that you get your IRS tax write-off. 57 00:03:13,818 --> 00:03:16,130 - Even better. - What if they don't get in? 58 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:18,865 You don't have to worry. It's a done deal. 59 00:03:18,948 --> 00:03:21,534 Is there a two-for-one special for twins? 60 00:03:40,303 --> 00:03:41,804 John, how are you? 61 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:44,599 Hey, Rick. You're pretty busy these days, huh? 62 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:47,060 Yeah, we got early decision coming up. 63 00:03:51,272 --> 00:03:55,235 So, hey, I do wanna talk a bit about your pricing strategy and economic model. 64 00:03:55,818 --> 00:03:56,653 Uh… 65 00:03:56,736 --> 00:04:00,114 I don't wanna force it on you, but I just think it could be helpful. 66 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:01,991 No, no, uh, yeah. 67 00:04:08,456 --> 00:04:10,708 I have a bunch of schools that we work with directly 68 00:04:10,792 --> 00:04:13,711 and, you know, it's kind of a first come, first served. 69 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:16,506 So… pick a place you wanna go. 70 00:04:16,589 --> 00:04:18,049 So, if you said Harvard 71 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:21,010 or Princeton or Georgetown, you know, one of those things. 72 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:25,056 Well, if you wanna use my side door at Harvard, it's about $1.2 million. 73 00:04:25,139 --> 00:04:25,974 Jesus. 74 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:30,436 But if you wanna go through the back door, Harvard's asking for $45 million. 75 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,855 - God. - Stanford's asking for $50 million. 76 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:34,440 - Wow. - And they're getting it. 77 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:35,900 That's the crazy thing. 78 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:38,611 They're getting it from the Bay Area and New York. 79 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,155 John, this is how crazy it's gotten. 80 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:44,284 I'm gonna do over 730 of these side doors this year. 81 00:04:44,367 --> 00:04:45,285 Wow. 82 00:04:45,368 --> 00:04:47,745 And how many schools are you doing those at now? 83 00:04:47,829 --> 00:04:50,039 Just like the top 20 or 50 or… 84 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,434 I've done a lot of wiretaps over the years. 85 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:55,420 It truly is amazing sometimes what people will say on the phone 86 00:04:55,503 --> 00:04:58,131 when they don't know that the feds are listening. 87 00:04:58,214 --> 00:05:00,883 I know. I know. It's craziness. I know it is. 88 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:04,470 Then I need you to get him into USC, and then I need you to cure cancer, 89 00:05:04,554 --> 00:05:06,389 and, oh, make peace in the Middle East. 90 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:07,515 I could do that. 91 00:05:07,598 --> 00:05:10,727 I could do that if you figure out a way to boot your husband out 92 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:12,186 so that he treats you better. 93 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:14,480 That's impossible. That is impossible. 94 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:17,567 The government did a wiretap on Rick's phone. He didn't know. 95 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,069 He was intercepted talking to many people. 96 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:23,698 Every working mom comes to me and says, "How do I do it all?" 97 00:05:23,781 --> 00:05:25,950 Well, guess what? You can't. 98 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:30,830 There aren't many federal cases where you have 50 people indicted for a crime. 99 00:05:30,913 --> 00:05:34,167 So we're trying to get ourselves, like, a 34 on the ACT. 100 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,168 Yeah. Yeah. 101 00:05:35,251 --> 00:05:37,295 So Mark will do that. Really could be a 33. 102 00:05:37,378 --> 00:05:40,173 - Could be a 34. Could be a 35. - Right. 103 00:05:40,256 --> 00:05:42,016 Can you get me a handwriting sample? 104 00:05:42,091 --> 00:05:44,093 - Yep. - And a signature sample. 105 00:05:44,177 --> 00:05:46,804 - So we can get kinda close. - Yes. 106 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:49,891 Rick Singer was the independent counselor 107 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:53,728 who orchestrated the wrongdoing in Operation Varsity Blues, 108 00:05:53,811 --> 00:05:58,191 and the court documents indicate that it started in 2011. 109 00:05:58,274 --> 00:06:01,694 My own research into Singer's life and career 110 00:06:01,778 --> 00:06:04,447 indicates that, on a smaller scale, 111 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:07,825 he was deceptive for decades before that. 112 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:15,208 I'd like to think Rick started out 113 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:18,753 trying to be professional and trying to be legitimate. 114 00:06:18,836 --> 00:06:21,672 For a number of years, Rick was the go-to person. 115 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:24,550 He was the only one in town who did this sort of thing. 116 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:27,970 If you wanted information about college admissions, you went to Rick. 117 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:30,848 I think people were eager to use him. They were excited. 118 00:06:30,932 --> 00:06:34,560 They were impressed and thought, "Wow, he knows the formula." 119 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:37,855 "He knows the rules. He has the key to the game." 120 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:42,485 If you're a well-to-do parent in a school with 500 seniors, 121 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:46,364 your child is getting a fraction of the attention you want them to get. 122 00:06:46,447 --> 00:06:49,700 So you do what you do. You apply money to the problem. 123 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,954 You find somebody who will independently help just your child, 124 00:06:53,037 --> 00:06:54,956 and help them through this process. 125 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:58,709 And that's sort of the genesis of an independent college counselor. 126 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:04,549 My parents said, "We're hiring an independent college counselor 127 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:08,261 who can help give you a little guidance on SAT prep, 128 00:07:08,344 --> 00:07:12,432 and help narrow your focus for the colleges you're interested in." 129 00:07:12,515 --> 00:07:14,851 "He'll be a presence in your life 130 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:18,146 for the foreseeable future, until college applications are in." 131 00:07:19,063 --> 00:07:21,691 I believe there were many students he worked with 132 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,860 who had very good credentials, 133 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:27,238 and he performed the normal services of a counselor 134 00:07:27,321 --> 00:07:29,365 and facilitated their admission to college 135 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:33,327 by advising them on their essays or their recommendations and so on. 136 00:07:33,411 --> 00:07:36,205 He was the go-to college counselor at that time. 137 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:38,374 Back then, there weren't many resources. 138 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:43,504 He had this company called Future Stars. I had many friends that used him. 139 00:07:43,588 --> 00:07:45,923 It was one of those things where you had to do it. 140 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:48,468 If you didn't, you'd regret it and worry about, 141 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:52,638 "Did I get into where I wanted to go? Could I have gotten in if I'd used him?" 142 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:57,018 He always dressed like he had just come from the basketball court. 143 00:07:57,101 --> 00:07:59,604 His idea was that what he was doing was 144 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:02,190 coaching kids for getting into college, 145 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:04,484 so therefore he dressed like a coach. 146 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:07,278 He used to walk around in his athletic clothes, 147 00:08:07,361 --> 00:08:08,905 and his little monk hairdo. 148 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:10,740 He wasn't necessarily charismatic. 149 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:13,326 Didn't crack a lot of smiles. Was pretty serious. 150 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:16,078 Very shrewd. Businesslike. 151 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:19,040 He didn't chat much. He wasn't very personable. 152 00:08:19,123 --> 00:08:23,503 There are people you meet who feel like they have this vibrating tension 153 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:27,048 right under the surface all the time, and he was like that. 154 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,053 Rick was always drumming up business. 155 00:08:32,136 --> 00:08:36,599 He was always giving presentations at Borders, at the country clubs. 156 00:08:36,682 --> 00:08:39,060 And I also knew what his presentations entailed, 157 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:41,729 and they were promises that he couldn't keep and… 158 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:43,522 lies. 159 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:47,360 I would hear some stories from kids that made me think 160 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:49,946 that he was a little bit fishy. 161 00:08:50,029 --> 00:08:51,864 A little bit slimy. 162 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:57,495 I have one acquaintance who said that Rick started offering him, 163 00:08:57,578 --> 00:09:00,540 "Hey, I could potentially get you into this school 164 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:02,500 for a certain amount of money." 165 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,087 Almost from the beginning, 166 00:09:06,170 --> 00:09:09,173 Rick Singer was cutting corners, at least in a small way. 167 00:09:09,257 --> 00:09:12,343 The word I got from people who knew him in Sacramento 168 00:09:12,426 --> 00:09:16,305 was he was exaggerating and fabricating on kids' applications. 169 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:19,559 You know, changing their race from white to Latino 170 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:23,104 or African American so that they could qualify for affirmative action. 171 00:09:23,187 --> 00:09:24,897 I mean, he was quite brazen. 172 00:09:25,898 --> 00:09:29,402 Because I was always suspicious of Rick Singer, I started to keep a file. 173 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:31,904 I started copying things off his website. 174 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:35,449 "The Singer Group has developed into one of the US's most successful 175 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:38,077 life coaching and consulting businesses." 176 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,080 "Within a year, operations launched in Singapore, Bangkok, 177 00:09:41,163 --> 00:09:43,374 Philippines, China, Japan and Korea." 178 00:09:43,457 --> 00:09:46,627 Rick Singer was frequently telling lies about his resume. 179 00:09:46,711 --> 00:09:51,132 Somebody told me that he pretended he'd been a board member of Starbucks. 180 00:09:51,215 --> 00:09:54,218 The more he got away with it, the more he did it. 181 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:02,184 We're still on the preliminary part of the case. 182 00:10:02,268 --> 00:10:05,563 But both indictments brought against him were incredibly detailed. 183 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:09,442 - There appears to be a lot of evidence… - Yeah. 184 00:10:09,525 --> 00:10:12,361 Is this Gordon Gekko of Wall Street? 185 00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:16,574 No, it's Gordon Caplan. How are you? 186 00:10:16,657 --> 00:10:18,826 I'm just kidding with you. How you doing? 187 00:10:18,909 --> 00:10:20,161 Yeah. Yeah. Good. 188 00:10:21,329 --> 00:10:23,249 Corporate deal lawyer Gordon Caplan, 189 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:26,125 a partner at the law firm of Willkie Farr & Gallagher. 190 00:10:27,084 --> 00:10:30,463 The US tax system has two fundamental components 191 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:33,507 which makes this somewhat alluring. 192 00:10:33,591 --> 00:10:37,386 My wife has told me a little bit about what you guys do. 193 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:41,390 Uh, could… could you just give me a little bit of background? 194 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,476 Okay. So, who we are. 195 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,481 We are a $290 million company that I own, 196 00:10:48,564 --> 00:10:53,027 with a thousand employees across the US, 280 internationally. 197 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:57,114 We help the wealthiest families in the US get their kids into school. 198 00:10:57,198 --> 00:11:00,534 We have every NBA owner, every NFL owner. 199 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:02,161 We've got everybody. 200 00:11:02,244 --> 00:11:05,581 Now, these families, they want guarantees. 201 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,541 They don't wanna be messing around. 202 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:11,253 They want this thing done. So they want in at certain schools. 203 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:14,632 So I've done 761, what I would call, "side doors." 204 00:11:14,715 --> 00:11:17,051 The "front door" means getting in on your own. 205 00:11:17,134 --> 00:11:21,305 The "back door" is making a donation, which is ten times as much money. 206 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:23,641 I've created this kind of side door in 207 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:26,560 because with the back door, there's no guarantee. 208 00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:28,854 They're just gonna give you a second look. 209 00:11:29,438 --> 00:11:31,982 My families want a guarantee. 210 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:38,864 I'm a special agent with the FBI. 211 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:42,660 I'm currently part of a squad that investigates economic crimes, 212 00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:47,123 including various forms of corporate fraud, securities fraud and bribery. 213 00:11:47,623 --> 00:11:50,292 The facts in this affidavit come from my personal involvement 214 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:52,128 with this investigation. 215 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:55,756 Hi, my name is Rick Singer, and I'm the founder of The Key. 216 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:58,843 Rick Singer founded and operated The Key, 217 00:11:58,926 --> 00:12:02,054 a for-profit college counseling and preparation business. 218 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:04,807 He also founded The Key Worldwide Foundation, 219 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:09,812 a non-profit corporation that is exempt from paying federal income tax. 220 00:12:09,895 --> 00:12:14,066 Rick Singer told parents that he could facilitate their children's admission 221 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:15,901 via what he termed "the side door," 222 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:20,656 a special arrangement in which the parents would make a donation to his foundation 223 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:24,160 to conceal the fact that they were bribe payments. 224 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:28,539 Between approximately 2011 and 2018, 225 00:12:28,622 --> 00:12:31,584 parents paid Singer approximately $25 million 226 00:12:31,667 --> 00:12:34,628 to bribe coaches and university administrators. 227 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,632 This is America. Like, you got money? 228 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:42,970 Best believe you have access to certain spaces that other kids don't have. 229 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:45,306 So I'm… I'm really not surprised… 230 00:12:45,389 --> 00:12:47,558 Over the last three or four decades, 231 00:12:47,641 --> 00:12:51,812 higher education has become increasingly a commodity. 232 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:55,065 Something that you purchase. A product. 233 00:12:55,149 --> 00:13:00,404 It's a goal in and of itself, rather than the goal being to get an education. 234 00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:02,948 It's become a status point. 235 00:13:03,532 --> 00:13:05,868 Your status has now increased 236 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:09,663 because your child is at what's called an "elite institution." 237 00:13:09,747 --> 00:13:11,916 It's all about bragging rights. 238 00:13:11,999 --> 00:13:16,128 The running line in our industry is like, "The parents are applying to college." 239 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:19,507 "The kid is the vehicle through which they apply to college." 240 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:21,175 If you're a freshman, I'm sorry, 241 00:13:21,258 --> 00:13:25,596 because you are gonna be thrown into a world where they're gonna be like, 242 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,431 "College, college, college." 243 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:29,642 "Go to college. You have to get the best grades." 244 00:13:29,725 --> 00:13:33,687 "If you're not, you're gonna feel like a failure. You're the worst." 245 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:36,315 If you're a parent and you didn't go to Harvard, 246 00:13:36,398 --> 00:13:40,110 this is your chance to now go to Harvard, right? In your warped mind. 247 00:13:42,112 --> 00:13:45,783 It's typically accepted that Ivy League institutions 248 00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:48,619 are the "best" in the country. 249 00:13:48,702 --> 00:13:53,707 But all of those differences have almost nothing to do 250 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:57,002 with the academics of the institution. 251 00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:00,840 U.S. News started ranking colleges in the '80s, 252 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:03,801 based on one criteria: prestige. 253 00:14:03,884 --> 00:14:05,719 That's it. That's it. 254 00:14:05,803 --> 00:14:08,305 "Prestige" is actually a French word. 255 00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:12,726 In the original French, it means something people don't realize. 256 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:14,311 It means "deceit." 257 00:14:14,395 --> 00:14:16,772 That's what prestige is in the college. 258 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:20,442 It's imaginary. It's an illusion. Yet people believe in it. 259 00:14:20,985 --> 00:14:22,778 It's not just population growth 260 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:25,489 that makes it harder to get into colleges today. 261 00:14:25,573 --> 00:14:28,158 The colleges themselves have brought it about. 262 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:31,996 Because the more selective they look on paper, the higher ranked they are. 263 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:36,208 Everything these schools are doing is massaging to try and up the rankings. 264 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:38,252 And it's a really dangerous game. 265 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:41,213 Most people see college admissions, 266 00:14:41,297 --> 00:14:45,134 "Oh, it's based on merit except for affirmative action for minorities." 267 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:49,638 My view of the admissions process is all sorts of different preferences, 268 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,641 with, yes, some students getting in on pure merit, 269 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:56,896 but many others getting in due to preferences that skew rich and white. 270 00:14:56,979 --> 00:15:02,109 One is by preferences for students who play niche sports, 271 00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:05,905 like sailing or fencing or horseback riding, 272 00:15:05,988 --> 00:15:08,532 which most kids never get a chance to try. 273 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:11,869 Then there's making a huge donation to a university. 274 00:15:11,952 --> 00:15:14,705 That gets them noticed by the fundraising office, 275 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:17,625 which will recommend the candidate to admissions. 276 00:15:18,208 --> 00:15:21,879 Jared Kushner was the son of a very wealthy real estate developer 277 00:15:21,962 --> 00:15:23,047 in New Jersey. 278 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:25,966 At the time Jared was applying to college, 279 00:15:26,050 --> 00:15:29,136 his father pledged $2.5 million to Harvard, 280 00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:31,347 and Jared was admitted to Harvard, 281 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:34,266 even though by all accounts he was an average student 282 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:37,853 who wasn't necessarily taking the toughest courses in his high school. 283 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:41,398 A lot of the colleges won't actually guarantee the admission, 284 00:15:41,482 --> 00:15:42,733 which is interesting. 285 00:15:42,816 --> 00:15:46,320 So you might write a check for $3 million, and the kid could be rejected. 286 00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:49,198 If you're not writing a $10 to $20 million dollar check, 287 00:15:49,281 --> 00:15:51,408 it doesn't move the needle enough for them. 288 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:56,455 Singer didn't demand the kind of money that is required today 289 00:15:56,538 --> 00:15:59,500 if you want to absolutely guarantee your kid's gonna get in. 290 00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:04,964 You know, these parents paid Singer $300,000, $400,000, $500,000. 291 00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,007 What he sold and what they bought 292 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:11,512 was essentially a certainty of admission at a bargain basement price. 293 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:14,848 So I'm gonna make him a kicker. 294 00:16:14,932 --> 00:16:17,810 He does have strong legs. Maybe he'll become a kicker. 295 00:16:17,893 --> 00:16:19,728 - You never know. - Yeah. Absolutely. 296 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:21,313 You could inspire him, Rick. 297 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:23,816 You may actually turn him into something. I love it. 298 00:16:23,899 --> 00:16:25,818 Yeah. I know. 299 00:16:25,901 --> 00:16:28,612 - Bill McGlashan, good to see you. - Nice to be here. 300 00:16:28,696 --> 00:16:32,032 TPG Growth is a firm people don't know that much about. 301 00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:34,827 TPG Growth is the $4 billion growth arm 302 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:37,663 of the private equity giant TPG Capital. 303 00:16:37,746 --> 00:16:41,375 The more successful the business is, the more impact you're creating. 304 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:45,796 You get the virtuous benefits of sustainable, scalable capitalism at work. 305 00:16:46,714 --> 00:16:49,591 Last year I had a boy, I made him a long snapper. 306 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:50,509 I love it. 307 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:54,013 He was 145 pounds. Long snapper. 308 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,348 So what I'll probably need is, 309 00:16:56,432 --> 00:16:59,309 if you guys have any pictures of him playing multiple sports, 310 00:16:59,393 --> 00:17:02,771 that will be helpful, because I will photoshop his face onto a kicker. 311 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:05,983 Okay. Okay, let me look through what I have. 312 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:09,361 Pretty funny the way the world works these days, it's… 313 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:10,987 unbelievable. 314 00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:21,582 Devin Sloane, he's a California businessman, an executive. 315 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:24,168 We've had the good fortune of knowing you 316 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:27,504 and sharing smiles and joy and laughter together. 317 00:17:32,551 --> 00:17:35,512 Last year, I had a boy who did the water polo. 318 00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,766 When the dad sent me the picture, he was too high out of the water. 319 00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:41,226 Nobody would believe anybody could get that high. 320 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:42,352 Yeah. 321 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:43,979 So I told the dad, I said, 322 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,940 "What happened?" He said, "He was standing on the bottom." 323 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:49,526 I said, "No, no, no, no, no." 324 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:52,279 Yeah, exactly. You gotta be swimming. Exactly. 325 00:17:52,362 --> 00:17:54,531 - That's right. - Now, does he… 326 00:17:54,615 --> 00:17:57,618 Here's the only question. Does he… Does he know? 327 00:17:57,701 --> 00:18:01,997 Is there a way to do it in a way where he doesn't know what happened? 328 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:06,001 Well, what I would say to him, if you wanna have that discussion now, 329 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:08,879 is say we have friends in athletics who are going to help him. 330 00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:10,464 Because he is an athlete. 331 00:18:10,547 --> 00:18:14,134 But I can't say that in front of my son 'cause he knows he's not. 332 00:18:14,218 --> 00:18:16,887 What he would know is that I'm going to take his stuff 333 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,597 and get him some help, okay? 334 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,349 That he would have no issue with, 335 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,602 you lobbying for him, you helping use your network. 336 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:27,189 - No issue. - You don't have to tell him a thing. 337 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:29,608 Is Bill McGlashan doing any of this shit? 338 00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:31,860 Is he just talking a clean game and helping his kid? 339 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:33,695 - He makes me feel guilty. - Um… 340 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:37,199 Or you taking care of him because you have other interests with him? 341 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:40,410 No. No, not at all. It has nothing to do with his... 342 00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:43,163 But he didn't know. His kid had no idea. 343 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,624 He didn't have any idea you helped him on the ACT. 344 00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:47,751 - That's what he asked for. - Bill McGlashan? 345 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:49,628 Asked for his son not knowing. 346 00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:51,213 - Okay. - All right. 347 00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:53,882 - So he's not been as forthcoming. - With me? 348 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,926 With you and with his own kid. 349 00:18:56,552 --> 00:18:57,803 He wants it that way. 350 00:18:58,762 --> 00:18:59,847 Your guy Agustin? 351 00:18:59,930 --> 00:19:01,306 Agustin Huneeus, yeah. 352 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,810 He's pushing hard, trying to find out your guys' approach with your son. 353 00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:06,937 He came to me, and I said I did not… 354 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:09,523 I was not willing to talk to him about it. 355 00:19:09,606 --> 00:19:10,941 He's been pushing me, too. 356 00:19:11,024 --> 00:19:14,153 He obviously wants to get your help, you know, with his daughter, 357 00:19:14,236 --> 00:19:18,157 and I just said, "You need to make your own call what you wanna do, 358 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,702 and you just need to talk to Rick and work with Rick." 359 00:19:21,785 --> 00:19:22,911 No, that's good. 360 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:26,081 He's pushing hard. Like, "You gotta tell me what they're doing." 361 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:30,210 I said, "Listen, this is their situation, and Bill is very connected. 362 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:33,213 You need to discuss this with Bill, not discuss it with me." 363 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:35,382 Well, he tried that. He tried that. 364 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,677 Just so you know, he sort of had a conversation with another family 365 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,514 about the side door approach you have and was sort of suggesting, 366 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:45,350 "Do you think this is right?" And I just said, 367 00:19:45,434 --> 00:19:48,145 "Agustin, you shouldn't be talking about this. 368 00:19:48,228 --> 00:19:51,356 What Rick does is very specific to circumstances." 369 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,693 And it just bothered me he's out there talking about it. 370 00:19:54,776 --> 00:19:56,737 Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. And that's… 371 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:58,780 And that's what worries me, too. 372 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:02,492 I said, "Listen, you are in a very competitive environment." 373 00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:05,037 "You have to keep what you do to yourself. 374 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:06,496 It will blow up on you. 375 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:08,874 No matter who you think you know, it doesn't matter." 376 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,460 That's right, and he's not discreet at all. 377 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:14,171 That's why I wasn't comfortable talking to him about it. 378 00:20:14,254 --> 00:20:15,631 - Good. - Right. 379 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:19,718 Rick Singer provided reassurance. 380 00:20:19,801 --> 00:20:23,263 The reassurance that other people just like you 381 00:20:23,347 --> 00:20:25,515 are going through this thing. 382 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:27,935 "I've dealt with this a million times." 383 00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:31,730 Rick was like a therapist or a life coach, 384 00:20:31,813 --> 00:20:34,149 only he was also a criminal. 385 00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:38,654 My profile of Rick Singer is he's a born salesman. 386 00:20:38,737 --> 00:20:40,656 He was smooth and subtle, 387 00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:43,367 not overbearing, and knew that he had time. 388 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:45,661 It's not like someone has to get into school today. 389 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:48,372 It's not like the test is tomorrow. They have time. 390 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:51,875 So he nurtured the process well, like a good salesman does. 391 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:54,378 So what sport would be the best for them? 392 00:20:54,461 --> 00:20:57,673 Is… is crew the best? Is that even gonna really matter? 393 00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:59,258 For me, it doesn't matter. 394 00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:02,261 I'll make him a sailor or something because of where you live. 395 00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:06,348 Massachusetts businessman John Wilson. 396 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:08,267 He runs a private equity firm. 397 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:10,769 He's accused of paying more than a million dollars 398 00:21:10,852 --> 00:21:13,814 to try to get his kids into elite universities. 399 00:21:13,897 --> 00:21:17,359 And same kinda deal? Any sport? You don't have to play the sport? 400 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:18,694 That's correct. 401 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:23,532 Now, um… what if they don't actually get in? 402 00:21:23,615 --> 00:21:26,785 You don't have to worry about it. It's a done deal. 403 00:21:26,868 --> 00:21:28,787 Okay. That's great. 404 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:32,249 Okay. I'll send you the information about the bank and the wiring stuff 405 00:21:32,332 --> 00:21:33,667 in the next day or so. 406 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:34,584 All right. 407 00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:37,462 Oh, by the way, mark your calendar for next July 408 00:21:37,546 --> 00:21:39,756 if you want in on, uh, Paris. 409 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,509 - Got a big birthday July 19. - Okay. 410 00:21:42,592 --> 00:21:45,262 - I rented out Versailles. - Oh, my God! 411 00:21:45,345 --> 00:21:46,638 You're crazy. 412 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:50,142 I know. A black tie party there, so you'll have to come. 413 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:55,314 One of the amazing things about Rick Singer is that this guy, 414 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:59,401 from a kind of obscure background and without a lot to show on paper, 415 00:21:59,484 --> 00:22:02,612 insinuated himself into quite a high social circle, 416 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,115 and made an awful lot of money doing it. 417 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:11,163 My sense was that Rick Singer had a somewhat unhappy childhood. 418 00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,582 His parents divorced when he was young. 419 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:17,294 He was bright. He had the gift of the gab unquestionably. 420 00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:20,005 After childhood, he went to several colleges. 421 00:22:20,088 --> 00:22:21,965 After that, he went into coaching. 422 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:26,845 But his problem was he was too volatile, particularly as a high school coach. 423 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:30,140 He tended to scream at the players if something went wrong. 424 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,893 Kind of like the Bobby Knight of high school coaching. 425 00:22:32,976 --> 00:22:36,271 When Sacramento State had a bad year, they went 4 and 24 one year, 426 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,733 the whole coaching staff was fired, and that included Singer. 427 00:22:39,816 --> 00:22:42,069 That's when he looked around and he said, 428 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:45,113 "Maybe basketball coaching isn't for me after all. 429 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,865 I've gotta switch careers." 430 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:51,578 And he noticed this new industry of independent college advisors, 431 00:22:51,661 --> 00:22:54,164 and he became the first one in Sacramento. 432 00:22:55,832 --> 00:23:00,462 It's interesting how his background, in a way, prepared him for this scandal. 433 00:23:00,545 --> 00:23:03,673 If you think about it, as a basketball coach in college, 434 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:07,469 he had firsthand exposure to how athletic admissions worked, 435 00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:11,431 and that was knowledge that undoubtedly he put to use years later 436 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:16,103 in his efforts to bribe coaches to portray kids falsely as recruited athletes. 437 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:18,855 He knew athletic admissions from the inside. 438 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:20,982 Hey, John. How are ya? 439 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:22,901 Hey, Rick. I'm okay. 440 00:23:22,984 --> 00:23:25,570 I'm here in a big rainstorm in Saudi Arabia. 441 00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:27,715 - Saudi Arabia? - Yeah, I'm in Dubai. 442 00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:30,617 I didn't know they had storms like that out there. 443 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,328 Yeah, I know. Very unusual. What's happening? 444 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:37,249 So I just gave the Stanford sailing coach $160,000 for his program. 445 00:23:37,332 --> 00:23:39,668 While we were having that conversation, I said, 446 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:42,462 "Hey, I'm hoping that this 160 I'm helping you with 447 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,297 helps secure a spot for next year." 448 00:23:44,381 --> 00:23:47,968 "Can I be guaranteed a spot for next year?" And he said yes. 449 00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:49,928 - All it takes? - No. 450 00:23:50,011 --> 00:23:52,556 - No, that's not all it takes. - Yeah, okay. 451 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:55,892 This is not TJ Maxx or Marshalls or something like that. 452 00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:58,478 - Right. - So I want you to have first dibs. 453 00:23:58,562 --> 00:24:01,148 If you want, I can provide John Vandemoer with a check. 454 00:24:01,231 --> 00:24:05,444 I can send him your $500,000 to secure a spot for one of your girls. 455 00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:10,740 John Vandemoer, he was kind of lured out to Stanford. 456 00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:14,786 He was a successful sailing coach on the East Coast. 457 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:16,163 My name is John Vandemoer. 458 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:20,083 I am the head coach of the Stanford University sailing team… 459 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:23,670 By all accounts, he seemed like a good, upstanding guy. 460 00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:26,673 There were a lot of people that were surprised, who knew him, 461 00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:29,009 that he got caught up in this. 462 00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:31,636 SF1, take eight, soft sticks. 463 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:34,764 Audio good? 464 00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:37,434 Almost clear. All clear. Thank you. 465 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:38,517 Okay. 466 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,980 Did you ever imagine yourself in this situation 467 00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:43,732 before any of this happened? 468 00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:48,028 Never. It's a lot. It's something I don't think I've fully comprehended yet. 469 00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:49,279 Um… 470 00:24:49,362 --> 00:24:52,282 But it's something that'll impact the rest of my life. 471 00:24:56,077 --> 00:24:59,122 I first got connected with Rick Singer through a phone call. 472 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,707 He called me one day, 473 00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,877 he introduced himself, said he was a college recruiter, 474 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,588 and was interested in doing more with smaller sports. 475 00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:11,218 So I thought it was intriguing and agreed to meet with him the next morning. 476 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:15,263 What I thought was interesting is that I was expecting him to text me or call me 477 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:16,765 when he got to Stanford. 478 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:19,017 Because Stanford has… It's very secure. 479 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,687 You have to have a keycard to kind of swipe in and out of every door. 480 00:25:22,771 --> 00:25:24,981 And somehow he just showed up at my door. 481 00:25:25,065 --> 00:25:27,484 I was shocked by that, but it definitely told me 482 00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:30,612 he had connections with Stanford that were deeper than myself. 483 00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:36,159 Rick Singer is kind of your California beach bum, in a way. 484 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,411 Flip-flops, T-shirt, shorts. 485 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:42,666 He was actually really easy to talk to. I had really good conversations with him. 486 00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:45,794 He was really engaging and drawing me in. 487 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,964 Our interaction was solely about recruiting. 488 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:51,383 The way recruiting works at Stanford is 489 00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:55,637 each sport is given a certain amount of spots that you can support. 490 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,600 He kinda ended with him talking about this young woman named Molly Zhao. 491 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:06,147 Hello, everyone. I am, um, 17 now. I've just graduated from high school. 492 00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,192 Rick said that she really wanted to go to Stanford. 493 00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:11,403 My recruiting was pretty much done at that point. 494 00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:15,740 So I wasn't considering her for a spot I could support, and I had told Rick that. 495 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,910 He contacted me almost right away and was like, 496 00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:21,162 "Is there any other way you could support?" 497 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:22,706 "Her family is pretty wealthy." 498 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:25,875 "They'd be interested in donating about a million dollars." 499 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:29,754 My athletic director said that it's something Stanford could do, 500 00:26:29,838 --> 00:26:34,634 but that a million dollars wasn't enough to really have an impact with admissions. 501 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:38,722 So that was it. And I didn't hear anything from Rick for a while. 502 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,683 In August of that next year, 503 00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:46,104 Rick called me up out of the blue and said, "Hey, this is fantastic." 504 00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:49,232 "Molly got in, the family's so excited. Thanks for all you did." 505 00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:51,192 I said, "Great. I'm excited for her." 506 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:55,322 "It's a big deal to get into Stanford. But I didn't really do anything." 507 00:26:55,405 --> 00:27:00,493 He said, "Well, they're really excited and wanna donate $500,000 to your program." 508 00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:05,040 I said, "If they wanna donate $500,000 to the sailing program for me doing nothing, 509 00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:07,000 that sounds great to me." 510 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:12,213 I see no evidence that John did do anything to get Molly Zhao into Stanford. 511 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:17,719 Why did Rick Singer donate $500,000 in the name of Molly Zhao? 512 00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:19,888 Only Rick knows the answer to that. 513 00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,349 It may have been a huge down payment 514 00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:24,684 for access to the Stanford sailing program. 515 00:27:25,268 --> 00:27:28,438 He sent the check. I got it in the mail at my campus mailbox, 516 00:27:28,521 --> 00:27:31,983 and I went in to Development and told my athletic director 517 00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:34,361 I'd gotten this $500,000 donation. 518 00:27:34,444 --> 00:27:36,738 She was excited for me. We talked about how 519 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:39,407 I hadn't done anything for it, it was out of the blue. 520 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:42,285 But, you know, I guess that's the best kind of donation. 521 00:27:42,869 --> 00:27:46,790 At the same time, the head athletic director for Stanford was there, as well, 522 00:27:46,873 --> 00:27:49,376 and said congratulations, was excited about it. 523 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:52,420 I started to explain, "Hey, it's through this guy, Rick Singer." 524 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:55,757 He turned to me, interrupted me and said, "Oh, I know Rick." 525 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:01,721 I think what we see here is school administration officials 526 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:03,390 want to keep the money coming in. 527 00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:06,226 They don't wanna ask questions of how it got there. 528 00:28:06,309 --> 00:28:09,562 And I think we definitely saw this in the case of Stanford. 529 00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:13,942 When you'd have $100, $200, $500,000 donations 530 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:16,903 that would come in for something like sailing, 531 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:21,157 that that wouldn't raise any red flags or wouldn't be scrutinized. 532 00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:25,787 It seems as if Singer targeted sports that were under the radar 533 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:28,623 because the margins are tighter. 534 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,042 He knew the right places to look. 535 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:39,384 So I've got two kids at Stanford and two kids at Yale. 536 00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:41,678 I'm trying to find out who's stepping up first. 537 00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:42,929 Okay. 538 00:28:43,012 --> 00:28:45,724 Don't matter. 'Cause I might have a spot for both of 'em. 539 00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:47,225 - Really? - Maybe. 540 00:28:47,308 --> 00:28:53,064 Yale soccer coach Rudy Meredith pocketing more than $860,000 in bribes. 541 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:56,735 You can come in an Ivy League environment and develop as a player 542 00:28:56,818 --> 00:28:58,903 and still have your Yale degree. 543 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:00,822 Give me… Give me the names. 544 00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:02,031 I'm working on it. 545 00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:04,993 I got a new athletic director is what I'm trying to tell you. 546 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:06,411 I'm trying to work it. 547 00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,538 Hold on one sec. Let me just, uh… 548 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,084 You know, I have no idea where the hell I am here in London. 549 00:29:13,168 --> 00:29:14,544 Mm-hmm. No problem. 550 00:29:14,627 --> 00:29:17,964 Frickin' hate these one-way street bullshit things. 551 00:29:18,047 --> 00:29:21,176 I know. And you're on the left side of the road. Be careful. 552 00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:25,013 Yeah, tell me about it. Now I'm, uh, at two-three. 553 00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:26,681 Where's four-five? 554 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,058 Where the fuck is it? 555 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,770 Now I'm on the main street again. 556 00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:34,397 I tell you what, I'm glad I live in the US. 557 00:29:34,481 --> 00:29:36,941 It wouldn't be bad if you were in Sweden. 558 00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:40,153 Then I gotta find myself a good Swedish girl, then. 559 00:29:40,236 --> 00:29:43,531 All right. Next time I'm in Sweden, I'll take a look. 560 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:46,409 Tell me what you're looking for, I'll see what I can do. 561 00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:49,162 Yeah. Well, I'll tell you this much. 562 00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:52,373 At my age, it's hard to find the right people. 563 00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:54,751 That's the hardest thing. 564 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:04,469 I met Rick through my very first time on a dating site. 565 00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:08,097 I'd never been on a dating site before in my life. 566 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,684 And, at 53 years old at the time, I figured, 567 00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:14,187 "All right. It's… Let me give it a try." 568 00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:17,816 There he was, and there I was, and he messaged me, and… 569 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,859 it went from there. 570 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:24,322 When I met him, did I look him up online? Of course. Right away. 571 00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:26,658 And I thought, "Wow, this guy is…" 572 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,869 Other than the poor video quality on his website, 573 00:30:29,953 --> 00:30:32,997 I thought, "This is very interesting, what he does." 574 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:37,085 My key method unlocks the full potential of your son or daughter 575 00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:39,796 and sets them on a course to excel in life. 576 00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:41,756 I thought, "He's really a go-getter." 577 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,467 "He's really out there doing something good." 578 00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:49,180 I met him out for dinner. It was interesting, 579 00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:52,517 when we first started comparing notes about our pasts, 580 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,230 and we both started working the very same time. 581 00:30:57,313 --> 00:31:00,525 He was 12 and I was 12. 582 00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:01,860 I had a paper route, 583 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:06,781 and he was the kid that got the older kids to buy alcohol, 584 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,869 sell to him, he'd sell it then for a profit to kids. 585 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:12,871 So I said, "Okay, I had a paper route, 586 00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:15,665 you're a minor selling booze to minors. Great." 587 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,251 He goes, "Yeah, I was very industrious." 588 00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:20,962 So we laughed about that. And he was charismatic. 589 00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:23,548 He was… interesting. 590 00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:25,216 He was smart. 591 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,720 It was quick. It was like, "Nice to meet you. Great. Good night. 592 00:31:28,803 --> 00:31:33,516 I really like you. When I find time, let's go out again." 593 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,977 - Was he pretty serious? - Oh, super serious. 594 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,981 One time I sent him an emoji, the Bitmoji, I said, "Hi." 595 00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:44,277 And he came back with, "You're crazy. Stay cool in school." 596 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,360 Little goofy. 597 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,948 His own family said, you know, I made him laugh. 598 00:31:49,032 --> 00:31:51,200 He needed to laugh more. 599 00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:52,869 He was not, uh… 600 00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:56,623 wanting to stick around long. 601 00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:01,586 He was just so very busy with college coaching, house to house. 602 00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:05,006 Another characteristic of Singer's 603 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:07,258 was that, you know, he worked nonstop. 604 00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:10,053 From what his former assistants told me, 605 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:12,221 he wouldn't spend the night at a hotel. 606 00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:14,098 He'd spend it on an airplane. 607 00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:18,686 And he would be, you know, texting his assistants at all hours of the day, 608 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,521 giving them various tasks. 609 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,358 He was an extremely driven guy. 610 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:26,736 I got the sense he had clients all over the place. 611 00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:30,490 I look back on text messages, and every time we connect, he says, 612 00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:35,244 "I'm in Dallas. I'm in Fort Lauderdale. I'm in New York. Back to California." 613 00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:38,665 He even lived out of a van at times when he was coaching. 614 00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,917 He had this big Mercedes-type van thing. 615 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,544 He'd sleep in it 'cause it was just easier. 616 00:32:45,713 --> 00:32:49,759 Rick had a passion for just getting up every morning, 4:00 a.m., 617 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:53,805 working out, swimming, cycling, running. 618 00:32:53,888 --> 00:32:55,932 That man was like the Energizer Bunny. 619 00:32:56,015 --> 00:32:59,602 I've never seen anybody that would just have so much energy 620 00:32:59,686 --> 00:33:00,895 and go, go, go. 621 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:05,608 I think he lived on about three hours of sleep a night, from my understanding. 622 00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:07,110 And that was fine with him. 623 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:11,614 I looked at a lot of his behaviors and realized, 624 00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:14,200 you know, he was hiding a lot. 625 00:33:14,867 --> 00:33:18,830 He had been leading and living this secret life. 626 00:33:18,913 --> 00:33:21,624 No wonder why he couldn't get close to people. 627 00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:25,712 - Hey, Rick? - Hey there. 628 00:33:25,795 --> 00:33:28,047 - Is this a good time? - Yeah. It's good for me. 629 00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:29,131 Okay, great. 630 00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:32,176 My name is Agustin Huneeus. 631 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:34,095 We're sitting in one of the pavilions, 632 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:37,265 enjoying a beautiful afternoon at Quintessa in Napa. 633 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:40,143 And so let's go and taste. 634 00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:44,272 Just walk me through the whole kind of water polo thing again and how it works. 635 00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:48,401 You and I talked about the economics, timing and how all that works. 636 00:33:48,484 --> 00:33:52,405 You and I had a brief conversation about it, but I want to get it straight. 637 00:33:52,488 --> 00:33:54,157 Okay. Okay. 638 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,909 I'm putting together your daughter's sports profile now. 639 00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:59,203 It'll be a water polo profile now. 640 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:01,664 I take her transcript, test scores and profile 641 00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:04,042 to the liaison for all sports at USC. 642 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,627 Football… Everybody has to go through her. 643 00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:13,342 My name's Donna Heinel, and I am a senior associate athletic director. 644 00:34:13,426 --> 00:34:14,302 I have the… 645 00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:18,890 By all accounts, Donna Heinel was a very diligent supervisor 646 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:22,268 who was really a stickler for details. 647 00:34:22,351 --> 00:34:24,604 She was also getting 20 grand a month from Singer. 648 00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:28,524 And then she… They have meetings every other Thursday, 649 00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:30,526 which are called subcommittee meetings, 650 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:34,989 where the dean of admissions and two admissions staff go through the athletes. 651 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,992 It could be water polo this week, football next week. 652 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:39,327 It could be basketball. 653 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:42,997 It depends on where they are in the seasons and what's going on. 654 00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:44,957 Heinel became the gatekeeper 655 00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:48,920 between the admissions department and the athletic department. 656 00:34:49,003 --> 00:34:54,133 Because the idea was for the students to be treated as recruited athletes, 657 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:56,719 that's virtually a guarantee of admission. 658 00:34:56,803 --> 00:35:01,182 Some of the fake athletes at USC, it seems like it would be hard to miss. 659 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,268 I mean, there was a 5'5" men's basketball player. 660 00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:08,397 A high school cheerleader was made to look like a lacrosse player. 661 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:12,110 There was a water polo player who didn't play water polo in high school. 662 00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:15,905 It's pretty remarkable that none of these things raised a red flag. 663 00:35:15,988 --> 00:35:18,533 And on the rare occasion when they did, 664 00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:22,578 Heinel was there to smooth them over with the admissions department. 665 00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:26,916 Your daughter will get presented, and if the committee says, "She's in," 666 00:35:26,999 --> 00:35:30,670 then what happens is Donna tells me she's in, we're good. 667 00:35:30,753 --> 00:35:33,589 Essentially, she's been admitted before she even applied. 668 00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:37,343 At that point, you will send your $200,000 check to our foundation. 669 00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:42,515 Then Jovan will call me and say, "Okay, this is how I want the money split." 670 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:45,476 You understand my daughter's not worthy to be on that team. 671 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,311 No, no, he's my guy, 672 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,481 and he knows she's not coming to play. He knows all that. 673 00:35:51,899 --> 00:35:55,528 There were four USC employees that were involved with Rick Singer. 674 00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:59,323 One of them was Jovan Vavic, the water polo coach. 675 00:35:59,407 --> 00:36:04,370 Vavic is by far the most successful coach in college water polo. 676 00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:09,167 Vavic has been charged by authorities of accepting more than $250,000 677 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:14,797 in exchange for helping two students get into USC as water polo players. 678 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:27,018 Donna Heinel essentially puts them on the recruited walk-on list, 679 00:36:27,101 --> 00:36:28,436 which happens all the time. 680 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:32,273 And they just don't show up for practice, and that's fine. 681 00:36:32,356 --> 00:36:34,859 One of the things Singer took advantage of 682 00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:38,487 was the fact that athletic departments and admissions offices 683 00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:40,239 both take a coach's word 684 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:43,451 for the athletic caliber of the person they're recruiting. 685 00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:46,662 Is there any risk that this thing blows up in my face? 686 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:48,706 It hasn't in 24 years. 687 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:51,709 No, I know all that, but the environment… 688 00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,461 Like, some article comes out 689 00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:57,423 that the polo team is selling seats into the school for 250 grand. 690 00:36:57,506 --> 00:37:00,468 Well, no, because she's a water polo player. 691 00:37:01,552 --> 00:37:02,803 But she's not. 692 00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:05,973 I'm so scared. 693 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:09,810 Check it. No matter what happens, you're gonna be fine. 694 00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:13,022 - You have to face it. - You have to face it. Yeah. 695 00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:16,275 - You're gonna be fine. I promise. - I got deferred. 696 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,194 You got deferred? 697 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,573 There's an update in your application portal, 698 00:37:22,657 --> 00:37:25,117 you click on it, and then that letter pops up. 699 00:37:25,201 --> 00:37:29,330 "We appreciate your passion for our school. We're sorry to inform you…" 700 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:32,416 "…we are unable to offer you admission to Stanford." 701 00:37:38,381 --> 00:37:42,510 I'm not getting into San Diego or UCLA. 702 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:44,387 Just makes me feel like shit. 703 00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:48,557 I literally started bawling. Like, it just angered me. 704 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:52,645 There were a lot of tears, punching the wall, cursing. 705 00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:55,856 I didn't leave my room. I was crying the entire weekend. 706 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,608 I got rejected. 707 00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:05,283 I have seen a change, and I have seen a progression. 708 00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:10,288 And I do think that students are more obsessed with college. 709 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:14,667 I'd say most kids are getting plagued by this anxiety, and you can feel it. 710 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:17,003 They're freaking out when you meet with them. 711 00:38:17,086 --> 00:38:20,089 They're like, "What if this happens?" "What about that?" 712 00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:23,426 "Will they not like me because I wrote this one word?" 713 00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:26,304 It's like they're losing their minds because of it. 714 00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:30,182 Basically, I got rejected by almost all of the colleges I applied to. 715 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:34,020 It's awful because you think something's wrong with yourself. 716 00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:37,606 When we have children and they apply to colleges, where will they go? 717 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:39,817 No one's getting into colleges at that point. 718 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,696 It's crazy. Like, USC's acceptance rate just went down three more percent. 719 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:46,115 It's at 12% now, which is like… 720 00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:49,243 Most students who wanna go to college could find a college. 721 00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:51,495 The problem is 722 00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:55,249 far too many students want to go to the same colleges. 723 00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:58,753 My goals were Ivy League. I wanted to get in that. 724 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,006 And when I didn't get in, I was… just broken. 725 00:39:02,089 --> 00:39:05,926 I took AP bio. I'm taking AP environmental science this year. I… 726 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:08,304 I'm not interested in it at all. 727 00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:11,932 Just to have this extra leverage that doesn't even help. 728 00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:15,311 This is going on in high schools across the country. 729 00:39:15,394 --> 00:39:17,355 How many advanced classes can you take? 730 00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:20,399 You drop orchestra because if you don't do orchestra, 731 00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:22,234 you can take another science class. 732 00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,653 There's so much pressure on these kids. 733 00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:28,240 Because if a school offers 15 APs and you've only taken one, 734 00:39:28,324 --> 00:39:31,035 you can cross off the top 50 schools in the country. 735 00:39:31,118 --> 00:39:35,414 You have people who just go home and all they do is homework. 736 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:39,293 I hate seeing how it consumes people's lives. 737 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,171 I think social media is a contributing factor, 738 00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:46,759 because as soon as a student anywhere has an acceptance, 739 00:39:46,842 --> 00:39:49,095 it goes onto social media, 740 00:39:49,178 --> 00:39:53,349 so it's just another time to sort of feel a punch in the gut. 741 00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:56,519 It's just really shitty to feel like this. 742 00:39:56,602 --> 00:40:00,022 And I know that people that got in are super deserving. 743 00:40:02,149 --> 00:40:06,487 I like to curl my fake lash with my real lashes. 744 00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:10,991 Olivia Jade is an extremely successful YouTube influencer. 745 00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,954 She had millions of followers watch these videos where she would, 746 00:40:15,037 --> 00:40:18,874 you know, get up, brush her teeth, do her morning makeup routine, 747 00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:20,709 pick out outfits. 748 00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:22,795 So it's this very diary-like thing, 749 00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:26,465 but with the added benefit of branding opportunities. 750 00:40:26,549 --> 00:40:29,718 I created my own collection with Princess Polly. 751 00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:31,720 I get to reveal and announce 752 00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:35,599 my highlight palette with Sephora Collection. 753 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:41,021 She's the child of the actress Lori Loughlin 754 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:44,525 and the fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli. 755 00:40:44,608 --> 00:40:49,113 They supposedly had both of their daughters, Olivia Jade and Bella, 756 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:52,908 pose on a rowing machine, and sent these pictures to Rick Singer 757 00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:57,079 and had them accepted into USC as coxswains. 758 00:40:57,163 --> 00:41:01,083 I went to high school with Olivia Jade. I know the school she was at. 759 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:06,130 I saw a picture of Olivia Jade's sister on the wall with the seniors, 760 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:09,842 and it was like, "Congratulations for getting into USC." 761 00:41:09,925 --> 00:41:14,805 And then I remember hearing later that Olivia had also gotten into USC. 762 00:41:14,889 --> 00:41:18,434 I was like, "Whoa." 'Cause USC is extremely hard to get into. 763 00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:21,187 So not only one sister, but both of them. 764 00:41:22,104 --> 00:41:23,272 Off to school. 765 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:25,149 Bye, Olivia. Have a lovely day. 766 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:28,319 - I know you're so excited. - I won't. I will not. 767 00:41:31,739 --> 00:41:32,739 Whatever. 768 00:41:34,617 --> 00:41:36,327 There's an Olivia Jade video 769 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:39,747 where it's the first day of her senior year of high school, 770 00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:42,041 and she's pretty miserable. 771 00:41:42,124 --> 00:41:44,043 I've gone to one class, and I wanna die. 772 00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,420 It's so hot in every single room. 773 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,589 I just wanna go home. 774 00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:52,009 Then she returns home and she says, "I've never been so happy." 775 00:41:52,092 --> 00:41:55,429 I've never been so happy to be anywhere in my whole entire life. 776 00:41:55,513 --> 00:42:00,559 Then there's also a nod to a kind of, like, you know, #blessed. 777 00:42:00,643 --> 00:42:02,937 Remember how lucky we are to have an education 778 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,773 and how many people would kill to have a good education. 779 00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:09,693 Or an education at all. So, as much as I hate it… 780 00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:14,823 I still hate it, but I'm grateful that I get to be educated. 781 00:42:14,907 --> 00:42:16,242 Even though I hate it. 782 00:42:16,325 --> 00:42:19,995 Olivia Jade had said that she wanted to drop out of high school, 783 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,872 in fact, when she was a senior. 784 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:26,293 I told my mom I wanted to quit school. She was like, "That's not happening." 785 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:30,005 She made me stick it out, and then my dad made me go to college. 786 00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:34,385 Mostly my parents really wanted me to go, because both of them didn't go to college… 787 00:42:34,468 --> 00:42:36,308 - They did all right. - They did fine. 788 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:37,667 - They did fine. - Yeah. 789 00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:39,348 - They are... - Hypocrites. 790 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:42,851 It never seemed like she was very interested 791 00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:44,436 in what college could give her. 792 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,606 Why should she be? She was very successful in what she was doing. 793 00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:50,025 Things were going great for her. 794 00:42:53,946 --> 00:42:55,864 In November of 2017, 795 00:42:55,948 --> 00:43:00,411 Donna Heinel presented Olivia Jade's athletic profile to the USC subcommittee, 796 00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:03,581 and they approved her admission to the university conditionally. 797 00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:06,875 Less than two weeks later, 798 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,462 Rick Singer wrote an email confirming to Olivia's parents 799 00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:12,923 that she was going to be accepted at USC 800 00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:15,384 and told them to keep it hush-hush until March. 801 00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:23,726 The guidance counselor at Olivia Jade's high school became suspicious 802 00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:27,813 because he didn't believe either of the sisters participated in crew. 803 00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:31,650 According to the government, Olivia Jade and her parents 804 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:34,111 discussed how to avoid the possibility 805 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:38,198 of the high school counselor disrupting their admissions scheme. 806 00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:42,161 Olivia Jade asked whether she should list USC as her top choice school 807 00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:46,081 and Lori replied, "Yes, but it might be a flag for the weasel to meddle." 808 00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:48,208 Presumably referring to the counselor. 809 00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:53,631 And Mossimo added to that, "Fuck him," and said that he was a "nosy bastard." 810 00:43:55,424 --> 00:43:58,802 Things began to unravel when Olivia Jade's counselor 811 00:43:58,886 --> 00:44:01,680 had a phone call with a USC admissions official. 812 00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:05,225 Conducted routine counselor call with USC 813 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:08,228 to check up on the dozens of applicants that year. 814 00:44:08,312 --> 00:44:09,772 When we got to Olivia, 815 00:44:09,855 --> 00:44:13,400 USC said she was flagged as a recruit for the crew team. 816 00:44:13,484 --> 00:44:17,237 I told them I had no knowledge of Olivia's involvement in crew. 817 00:44:17,321 --> 00:44:19,948 Based on what I knew of her video blogging schedule, 818 00:44:20,032 --> 00:44:22,368 I highly doubted she was involved in the sport. 819 00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:26,997 Somehow Mossimo found out what the counselor had said to USC, 820 00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:29,166 and went to the school to confront him. 821 00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:33,629 I received a call from the front desk 822 00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:37,257 that Mr. Giannulli was downstairs and wanted to talk to me. 823 00:44:37,341 --> 00:44:39,635 When we sat down in my office, 824 00:44:39,718 --> 00:44:43,430 he aggressively asked what I was telling USC about his daughters 825 00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:48,060 and why I was trying to ruin or get in the way of their opportunities. 826 00:44:48,143 --> 00:44:50,562 His tone made me visibly nervous. 827 00:44:51,563 --> 00:44:55,693 Word of the confrontation got back to Donna Heinel at USC, 828 00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:59,738 and she left a voicemail for Rick Singer cautioning about the situation. 829 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:03,826 Yeah, hey, Rick, look, I just wanna make sure that, 830 00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,204 you know, I don't want the… the parents getting angry 831 00:45:07,287 --> 00:45:10,624 or creating any type of disturbance at the school, okay? 832 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:13,502 I just wanna make sure that those students, 833 00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:16,964 if questioned at the school, that they respond appropriately, 834 00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:20,050 that they're walk-on candidates for their respective sports, 835 00:45:20,134 --> 00:45:22,469 that they're looking forward to trying out for the team 836 00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:24,555 and making the team when they get here. 837 00:45:24,638 --> 00:45:27,099 That's what I just… wanna make sure of. 838 00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:29,601 I don't want anybody walking into their high school 839 00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:31,562 and, you know, yelling at counselors. 840 00:45:31,645 --> 00:45:33,605 That'll shut everything down. 841 00:45:35,357 --> 00:45:38,068 The scandal did surprise me 842 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:42,030 because it reflected a kind of blatant illegality. 843 00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:46,243 Bribing college coaches to pretend that their children were athletes 844 00:45:46,326 --> 00:45:47,703 when in fact they weren't. 845 00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:51,749 Why would a college coach jeopardize their job and their reputation 846 00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:54,251 to let somebody in for a bribe? 847 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,507 Fundraising was certainly a big part of my job. 848 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:03,135 Funding going to the football and basketball programs 849 00:46:03,218 --> 00:46:07,514 are pretty extreme compared to what a smaller sport like sailing gets. 850 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:10,934 The school isn't making money by having a sailing program. 851 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:14,646 It's great they offer it for students, but that program is in the red. 852 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,357 That money has to be either made up for in donations 853 00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:21,445 or the school is just writing a check for salaries, equipment, travel. 854 00:46:22,237 --> 00:46:24,615 My dream would be if my job was just to coach. 855 00:46:24,698 --> 00:46:26,784 All told, I was horrible at fundraising. 856 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:28,994 It's not something I really like to do. 857 00:46:29,077 --> 00:46:30,662 But it was done out of necessity. 858 00:46:31,497 --> 00:46:34,208 It was always a struggle to kind of survive. 859 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:40,464 In December 2018, all the head coaches are gonna meet with the senior staff. 860 00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:42,007 It's a big deal, that meeting. 861 00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,469 In 11 years, I'd met the senior athletic director a handful of times. 862 00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:49,306 I'm in the athletic director's office. There's, like, six of them there. 863 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:52,559 We'd just won a national championship less than a month earlier, 864 00:46:52,643 --> 00:46:55,437 and the athletic director hadn't even recognized it. 865 00:46:55,521 --> 00:46:58,649 Didn't say congratulations, didn't reach out to the team, nothing. 866 00:46:58,732 --> 00:47:01,151 Didn't say congratulations during that meeting. 867 00:47:01,235 --> 00:47:03,487 The only thing he was doing was watching TV. 868 00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:06,824 He was facing, you know, four or five screens on a wall 869 00:47:06,907 --> 00:47:08,784 and was watching basketball. 870 00:47:08,867 --> 00:47:12,579 The only time he looks up at me and starts really asking questions 871 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:14,414 is when it comes to fundraising. 872 00:47:14,498 --> 00:47:16,917 Like, "You're doing a great job of fundraising." 873 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,836 "Keep that up. That's really helpful." 874 00:47:18,919 --> 00:47:22,256 Then he goes back to the television. That's it for the whole meeting. 875 00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:24,258 This is someone that knew Rick Singer. 876 00:47:24,341 --> 00:47:26,885 Yes. Yeah, he told me he did. 877 00:47:31,139 --> 00:47:34,935 Rick really was pushing me hard to really take a look at this student. 878 00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:38,564 He was really interested and knew I wanted a second assistant coach, 879 00:47:38,647 --> 00:47:41,775 and I was struggling to fundraise for that position, 880 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,152 and he said, "Hey, through my foundation, 881 00:47:44,236 --> 00:47:48,115 I would like to donate $110,000 to the program 882 00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:51,785 to get you through a year or two of funding that position." 883 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:53,912 He's like, "No strings attached." 884 00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:57,499 "I just wanna continue our relationship and keep bringing people to you 885 00:47:57,583 --> 00:47:59,209 and have you look at 'em." 886 00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:01,253 I said, "Great. That's fantastic." 887 00:48:01,837 --> 00:48:03,922 I think this was a slippery slope for John, 888 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:06,884 and he didn't knowingly wake up and say, 889 00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:11,346 "You know what? Today I'm going to join this racketeering conspiracy." 890 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:14,516 But all the government have to prove is "Did you accept the money 891 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,478 in exchange for something that the giver of the money wanted 892 00:48:18,562 --> 00:48:20,439 and didn't duly earn, didn't deserve?" 893 00:48:20,522 --> 00:48:24,484 The biggest factor in the Stanford coach's case 894 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:26,653 was he didn't personally enrich himself. 895 00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:31,450 The proceeds that he received furthered the sailing program at Stanford. 896 00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:34,953 Rick Singer was skilled at leveraging off people. 897 00:48:35,037 --> 00:48:37,497 He had a sixth sense to exploit 898 00:48:37,581 --> 00:48:40,375 and find vulnerabilities of people he was working with. 899 00:48:41,251 --> 00:48:43,712 From my understanding, in the Felicity Huffman case, 900 00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:45,005 he told Felicity, 901 00:48:45,088 --> 00:48:48,300 "Your daughter's scores aren't good enough to get into this school." 902 00:48:48,383 --> 00:48:50,052 Turns out that was made up, false. 903 00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:52,429 The daughter would've gotten in regardless. 904 00:48:52,512 --> 00:48:54,890 It's identifying those pain points. 905 00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:57,142 Felicity can begin to rationalize. 906 00:48:57,225 --> 00:49:00,604 "Am I a good enough mother? Have I spent too much time on my career?" 907 00:49:00,687 --> 00:49:02,981 "Don't you want your daughter in a good school?" 908 00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:05,233 Leveraging off the weakness, the pain point. 909 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,197 No, his grades are not good enough to get into SC. 910 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,449 - Is that right? - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 911 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,660 That's amazing. 912 00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:16,828 Wow. Okay. 913 00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:19,665 What would her chances be without this process? 914 00:49:19,748 --> 00:49:21,249 - Zero. - She won't get in? 915 00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:23,168 Zero. She has no chance. 916 00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:26,755 What he did well, like what a good marketer does, 917 00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:28,048 he sold the benefits. 918 00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:29,132 It's very simple. 919 00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:31,802 "Would you like your daughter to go to Harvard?" "Yes." 920 00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:34,930 "Great. If you'd like your daughter to go to Harvard, do this. 921 00:49:35,013 --> 00:49:37,849 Here's the reality. Your daughter's not scoring that well, 922 00:49:37,933 --> 00:49:39,726 been mentoring her for two years. 923 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:42,396 The kid doesn't get it. If she's not Harvard material, 924 00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:45,774 and you want her to go to Harvard, we gotta take a different path. 925 00:49:45,857 --> 00:49:48,735 Here's that path. We'll have someone take the test for you." 926 00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:49,945 "What do you mean?" 927 00:49:50,028 --> 00:49:53,281 "This guy, for $15,000, is gonna take the test." 928 00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:55,492 This is absolutely unheard of. 929 00:49:55,575 --> 00:49:57,953 To make this happen, I can make scores happen, 930 00:49:58,036 --> 00:50:00,330 and nobody on the planet can make scores happen. 931 00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:04,042 Your kid won't even know it happened. It will happen as though… 932 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:07,587 She will think she's really super smart and she got lucky on a test, 933 00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:08,964 and you got a score now. 934 00:50:09,047 --> 00:50:11,049 It's the homerun of homeruns. 935 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:13,093 - And it works? - Every time. 936 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,722 What is the… What is the number? 937 00:50:17,472 --> 00:50:20,017 The number on the testing is $75,000, okay? 938 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,563 It's $75,000 to get any scores you wanna get on the ACT or SAT. 939 00:50:25,063 --> 00:50:28,275 If you wanna get into an elite university in America, 940 00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:31,903 on the ACT, which is scored out of 36, 941 00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:35,866 if you're not really in the 34, 35, 36 range, 942 00:50:35,949 --> 00:50:40,662 or on the SAT if you're not sort of 1500 and above, 943 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:43,081 you're probably not in the conversation. 944 00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:47,294 For many years, the SAT was explained 945 00:50:47,377 --> 00:50:50,005 and advertised as being an aptitude test. 946 00:50:50,088 --> 00:50:54,843 A very prominent, predictive feature of getting a high test score… 947 00:50:55,552 --> 00:50:57,387 is family income. 948 00:50:57,471 --> 00:51:01,266 The college board and the ACT have admitted this for years. 949 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:03,769 This is not a secret that's being divulged. 950 00:51:03,852 --> 00:51:07,189 If I were appointed czar of American college admissions, 951 00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:09,066 I would abolish standardized testing. 952 00:51:09,649 --> 00:51:13,528 It would mean that all of these wealthy test prep companies 953 00:51:13,612 --> 00:51:15,906 would have to find something else to do. 954 00:51:15,989 --> 00:51:20,744 Register your son or daughter for the Princeton Review's 1500+ course. 955 00:51:20,827 --> 00:51:22,370 It's a game-changer. 956 00:51:22,454 --> 00:51:25,999 There's a fair warning around test preparation. This is a business. 957 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,335 Every claim they make is marketing driven. 958 00:51:28,835 --> 00:51:33,924 We even offer a guaranteed score improvement of at least 150 points. 959 00:51:34,007 --> 00:51:37,010 So you have people out there who are making claims like, 960 00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:40,097 "We'll improve your score 500 points." 961 00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:42,140 That's worth $1,000 investment. 962 00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:47,562 But it's only worth $1,000 investment if you have a disposable $1,000 to invest. 963 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,898 All standardized testing 964 00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:53,985 automatically advantages the people who are already advantaged. 965 00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:57,239 Most affluent people are accessing people like me, 966 00:51:57,322 --> 00:52:01,743 and 85% of America just can't access that level of expertise. 967 00:52:01,827 --> 00:52:04,371 A private college counselor's gonna run you, 968 00:52:04,454 --> 00:52:06,206 on the low, low, low end, 969 00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:10,210 and you're not getting a quality college counselor, 200, 300 bucks an hour. 970 00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:14,589 On the high end, you're talking about $500 to over $1,500 an hour 971 00:52:14,673 --> 00:52:18,927 to access these guys and gals, and it's a lot. 972 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:21,847 - Hello? - Hi, Dad. 973 00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:25,725 When you look at it in light of the scandal, 974 00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:28,019 when you have predominantly rich families 975 00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:32,023 who had every advantage that said they should be fine on the SAT, 976 00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,317 they're gonna score in the highest demographic, 977 00:52:34,401 --> 00:52:38,697 they had all the prep in the world that they wanted, and yet they still… 978 00:52:39,281 --> 00:52:40,281 cheated. 979 00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:45,036 Okay, the first thing we need to do, and I think I mentioned this to your wife, 980 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,081 we need to get your daughter tested for a learning difference. 981 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:51,710 Let's say it's my person who does it, or whoever you wanna do it. 982 00:52:51,793 --> 00:52:56,047 I need that person to get her 100% extended time over multiple days. 983 00:52:57,174 --> 00:53:01,261 When you take the SAT or the ACT, it's a timed test. Right? 984 00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:03,513 There are restrictions on how it's delivered. 985 00:53:03,597 --> 00:53:08,310 To account for learning disabilities, often accommodations are provided. 986 00:53:08,894 --> 00:53:11,271 You have to have certain medical documentation 987 00:53:11,354 --> 00:53:13,565 of the need for these accommodations. 988 00:53:13,648 --> 00:53:17,694 And that's one of the avenues that Rick Singer exploited. 989 00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:20,906 I also need to tell your daughter, that when she takes the test, 990 00:53:20,989 --> 00:53:22,115 to not be as… 991 00:53:22,407 --> 00:53:23,700 To be stupid. 992 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,619 To not be as smart as she is. 993 00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:27,913 The goal is to be slow, 994 00:53:27,996 --> 00:53:30,832 to not be as bright as she is, all that, 995 00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,210 so that we show discrepancies. 996 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:36,796 At the academy, kids are getting extra time all the time. 997 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,840 - You mean the Greenwich Academy? - Yeah. 998 00:53:38,924 --> 00:53:40,550 Everywhere in the country. 999 00:53:40,634 --> 00:53:43,762 What happened is, all the wealthy families figured out, 1000 00:53:43,845 --> 00:53:46,806 "If I get my kid tested and they get extended time, 1001 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:48,642 they can do better on the test." 1002 00:53:48,725 --> 00:53:52,229 Most of these kids don't have issues. But they're getting extra time. 1003 00:53:52,312 --> 00:53:54,147 The playing field's not fair. 1004 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:55,315 No, it's not. 1005 00:53:55,982 --> 00:53:57,442 I mean, this is… I… 1006 00:53:57,525 --> 00:53:59,611 To be honest, it feels a little weird, but... 1007 00:53:59,694 --> 00:54:01,988 I know it does. I know it does. 1008 00:54:02,072 --> 00:54:06,451 But when she gets a score and we have choices, you're gonna be saying, 1009 00:54:06,534 --> 00:54:09,913 "Okay, I'll take all my kids. We're gonna do the same thing." 1010 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:13,250 And a score of… You would think that would be… 1011 00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,835 The score will be whatever we want it to be. 1012 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:19,631 So, again, and keep in mind I am a lawyer, 1013 00:54:19,714 --> 00:54:21,675 so I'm sort of rules-oriented. 1014 00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:26,638 Doing this with you, no way… She's taking the test. It's… 1015 00:54:26,721 --> 00:54:30,392 It's her taking the test, right? There's no way any trouble comes of this? 1016 00:54:30,475 --> 00:54:31,601 Nothing like that? 1017 00:54:31,685 --> 00:54:33,186 So, I, uh… 1018 00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,356 I explained this to you before. 1019 00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:38,024 I… I know. 1020 00:54:38,108 --> 00:54:41,194 - And I apologize, but it's just... - No. I get you. 1021 00:54:41,278 --> 00:54:42,821 - Bear with me. - Okay. 1022 00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:45,407 I will explain to you the process. 1023 00:54:46,408 --> 00:54:49,577 You're going to fly to LA and go on a fake recruiting visit. 1024 00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:52,580 You'll visit some schools while you're out here. 1025 00:54:52,664 --> 00:54:55,917 Then what'll happen is Mark, who is the proctor, will fly in, 1026 00:54:56,001 --> 00:54:59,004 and he'll show up on Friday night, just like you guys would. 1027 00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:02,924 On Saturday morning, at eight o'clock, you guys will show up at the school. 1028 00:55:03,925 --> 00:55:06,469 Your daughter will go in and take the test. 1029 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:08,388 Mark will be your proctor. 1030 00:55:08,471 --> 00:55:11,266 She'll be the only one taking it in the room with Mark. 1031 00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:14,185 What we do with kids who have learning differences 1032 00:55:14,269 --> 00:55:17,439 is they write their answers on a separate sheet to the side of it 1033 00:55:17,522 --> 00:55:18,690 so that we can rebubble. 1034 00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:21,151 She'll think that when she's done with the test, 1035 00:55:21,234 --> 00:55:23,320 she has taken the test. No doubt about it. 1036 00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:25,697 She'll walk out the door and she'll say to you, 1037 00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:28,283 "Dad, it was so hard," or, "I'm so tired," 1038 00:55:28,366 --> 00:55:31,202 or whatever the typical reaction out of the kid. 1039 00:55:31,703 --> 00:55:34,956 You guys will leave, and then Mark will look at all her answers. 1040 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,791 Mark will then take the exam 1041 00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:40,795 and then ensure that whatever score we decide that we want to get, 1042 00:55:40,879 --> 00:55:42,172 he has it down to a… 1043 00:55:42,255 --> 00:55:44,466 It's unbelievable what he can do. 1044 00:55:45,342 --> 00:55:47,761 She'll never know that this actually occurred. 1045 00:55:47,844 --> 00:55:53,224 She'll look at her results and she'll say, "Oh, my God, Dad, I got a 32." 1046 00:56:01,232 --> 00:56:03,068 He's the test-taking whiz 1047 00:56:03,151 --> 00:56:07,572 who helped dozens of high school students cheat on their college entrance exam. 1048 00:56:07,655 --> 00:56:11,993 Mark Riddell was the one who was flying out to different testing locations 1049 00:56:12,077 --> 00:56:13,870 and proctoring or correcting answers. 1050 00:56:13,953 --> 00:56:17,624 I have a client whose daughter was a big tennis player 1051 00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:19,918 and studied with him years ago. 1052 00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:26,633 He was a Harvard graduate who worked in college exam prep for IMG Academy, 1053 00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:30,136 which is a school for athletes in Bradenton, Florida, 1054 00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:32,389 where Serena and Venus Williams went. 1055 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:34,057 Very unassuming guy. 1056 00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:38,645 But the story was after he had his first child and needed more money, 1057 00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:42,482 that's how he kind of got caught up in the pitch from Rick Singer 1058 00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:45,568 to make a few extra thousand dollars here and there. 1059 00:56:46,361 --> 00:56:49,906 He did not have inside information about the correct answers. 1060 00:56:49,989 --> 00:56:54,494 He was just smart enough to get a near-perfect score on demand. 1061 00:56:54,577 --> 00:57:00,041 If Rick Singer is the linchpin of this college admissions scandal, 1062 00:57:00,125 --> 00:57:02,961 then Mark Riddell is the brains. 1063 00:57:03,044 --> 00:57:05,880 One of the things that amuses me and annoys me 1064 00:57:05,964 --> 00:57:10,427 when I see most of the reports around him being a test-taking savant, 1065 00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:13,596 or whatever they choose to call him in the moment, um… 1066 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,809 He's an adult who's taking a test designed for 11th graders. 1067 00:57:17,892 --> 00:57:22,230 Anyone worth their salt in the test preparation industry 1068 00:57:22,313 --> 00:57:24,607 should be able to do what he did. 1069 00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:27,068 The question is would they be willing to do it. 1070 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:30,363 Singer, the admitted mastermind behind the scheme, 1071 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:32,991 paid Riddell $10,000 per test 1072 00:57:33,074 --> 00:57:37,745 to fly from his home in Florida to test centers in Texas and California. 1073 00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:39,998 Pretty much everything in the higher ed system 1074 00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:42,834 is based on trust in other people. 1075 00:57:42,917 --> 00:57:46,838 At what dollar value will you be willing to compromise your ethics? 1076 00:57:46,921 --> 00:57:48,548 That's the ultimate question. 1077 00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:53,553 For me, it keeps coming back to, it's the wealthy who have the ability, 1078 00:57:53,636 --> 00:57:56,181 and, in this case, the means and the willingness, 1079 00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,349 to take advantage of these things. 1080 00:57:59,142 --> 00:58:00,977 Rick, I had a question for you. 1081 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,771 I was able to get my younger daughter the multi-day ACT. 1082 00:58:03,855 --> 00:58:06,983 Good. You got her extended time over multiple days. Got it. 1083 00:58:07,066 --> 00:58:08,443 Yeah, so I got that. 1084 00:58:08,526 --> 00:58:11,821 The thing is, my younger daughter is not like my older daughter. 1085 00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:12,905 She's not stupid. 1086 00:58:12,947 --> 00:58:15,742 If I said to her, "Oh, we're gonna take it up at Rick's," 1087 00:58:15,825 --> 00:58:17,202 she's gonna wonder why. 1088 00:58:19,037 --> 00:58:20,413 Michelle Janavs, 1089 00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:23,666 whose family created the famous snack Hot Pockets, 1090 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:28,213 accused of paying 100 grand to boost her daughter's ACT score 1091 00:58:28,296 --> 00:58:32,091 and get her into USC as a bogus volleyball recruit. 1092 00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,719 How do you do this without telling the kids? 1093 00:58:34,802 --> 00:58:38,014 Well, in most cases, Michelle, none of the kids know. 1094 00:58:38,097 --> 00:58:39,182 Right, but how… 1095 00:58:39,265 --> 00:58:42,852 No, I understand she won't even know, but how do you explain it to her? 1096 00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:44,896 You don't have to say anything. 1097 00:58:44,979 --> 00:58:47,774 For the school, say you'll be up in LA for the weekend. 1098 00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,776 That's what we did last time. 1099 00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:52,445 My younger daughter is the issue, because she'll say, 1100 00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:54,614 "Like, why am I taking it up there?" 1101 00:58:54,697 --> 00:58:57,951 You'll just say that, "You're going to do it up here 1102 00:58:58,034 --> 00:59:01,204 because it's really easy. It's convenient." 1103 00:59:02,121 --> 00:59:07,835 I thought the conversations that were recorded on tape were achingly poignant. 1104 00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,964 You ache for the children who read these transcripts, 1105 00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:13,841 and you may also ache for the parents who, I'm sure, 1106 00:59:13,925 --> 00:59:15,927 bitterly regret being so candid. 1107 00:59:16,844 --> 00:59:17,887 She's smart. 1108 00:59:18,596 --> 00:59:20,306 She's gonna figure this out. 1109 00:59:21,015 --> 00:59:22,225 She's gonna say to me… 1110 00:59:23,142 --> 00:59:26,729 She already thinks that I'm, like, up to no good, and I just… 1111 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:29,190 I didn't wanna talk about this with her. 1112 00:59:29,274 --> 00:59:32,277 No, no, yeah, I got it. I totally get it. 1113 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,862 She's totally different than my older daughter. 1114 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:36,864 Like, she really needs to think that… 1115 00:59:36,948 --> 00:59:39,826 My older daughter was like, "I don't really care." 1116 00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:42,161 "This test is bullshit. I don't wanna take it." 1117 00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:45,999 And my younger daughter is actually studying to try to get a 34. 1118 00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,082 So it would… 1119 00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:49,919 It would actually be a great boost to her. 1120 00:59:50,003 --> 00:59:52,672 My older daughter, she came to me and she was like, 1121 00:59:52,755 --> 00:59:55,008 "You're not gonna tell my sister, are you?" 1122 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,926 And I was like, "No." 1123 00:59:57,927 --> 00:59:59,095 It's weird. 1124 00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:03,182 It's just weird family dynamics, but every kid is different. 1125 01:00:04,142 --> 01:00:05,142 Cool. 1126 01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:14,652 Rick Singer's lifestyle did change and become more lavish. 1127 01:00:14,736 --> 01:00:17,697 He moved from Sacramento area to Newport Beach 1128 01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:20,158 and had a very nice house there. 1129 01:00:21,117 --> 01:00:25,079 Singer invested in a whole bunch of quixotic ventures. 1130 01:00:25,163 --> 01:00:29,542 Restaurants, a soccer team, and many other things. 1131 01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:31,127 So the money came in fast 1132 01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:35,131 and it seems to have gone out pretty fast to his lifestyle and his investments. 1133 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:41,432 Rick called me out of the blue and said, 1134 01:00:41,471 --> 01:00:43,306 "I haven't talked to you in a year. 1135 01:00:43,389 --> 01:00:46,184 I remember you being extremely sharp with marketing 1136 01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:48,478 in the restaurant business, in real estate. 1137 01:00:48,561 --> 01:00:51,105 I think you'd be perfect as opening up and running 1138 01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:54,901 one of my offshoot companies of my coaching business." 1139 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:56,944 And I thought they sounded great. 1140 01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:03,618 Rick had invited a group of us to a big conference up in LA 1141 01:01:03,701 --> 01:01:06,162 with all these very high-powered individuals. 1142 01:01:06,245 --> 01:01:09,165 From my understanding, there was an influx of many millions 1143 01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:12,460 coming in to help him launch some of these businesses. 1144 01:01:12,543 --> 01:01:14,420 We all were assigned our positions, 1145 01:01:14,504 --> 01:01:18,007 and then we all took off to start up these brand-new companies. 1146 01:01:18,091 --> 01:01:19,258 It was really exciting. 1147 01:01:19,842 --> 01:01:22,136 Rick offered to drive us back to the airport. 1148 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:26,182 So we get in his Tesla, and it's rush hour traffic. 1149 01:01:26,265 --> 01:01:31,020 Rick is zipping in and out of traffic, going 90 miles an hour. 1150 01:01:31,104 --> 01:01:33,439 We were on the edge of our seats, hanging on. 1151 01:01:35,233 --> 01:01:38,277 So we finally get to the airport in one piece. 1152 01:01:38,361 --> 01:01:41,364 He said, "Bye. Good to see you again. I'll see you soon." 1153 01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:44,826 Go to give him a hug, and he plants a kiss on me. 1154 01:01:44,909 --> 01:01:47,829 And I said, "What was that all about?" 1155 01:01:47,912 --> 01:01:50,915 And he says, "Well, I wanted to see. 1156 01:01:50,998 --> 01:01:55,628 Maybe there's something here. Maybe we could date." 1157 01:01:56,254 --> 01:01:59,716 I looked at him and said, "You know what? I knew you from back when. 1158 01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:04,762 The amount of time that you spend with your career, with your businesses, 1159 01:02:04,846 --> 01:02:08,099 the little amount of time you'd even have to return a phone call, 1160 01:02:08,182 --> 01:02:13,521 let alone send a two-line text is… We'll never work." 1161 01:02:18,484 --> 01:02:20,027 My name is Rick Singer. 1162 01:02:20,111 --> 01:02:23,114 My job is to life coach kids and families 1163 01:02:23,197 --> 01:02:25,408 through the process of getting into college. 1164 01:02:25,491 --> 01:02:27,535 We have families in Champaign, in Miami. 1165 01:02:27,618 --> 01:02:32,123 They send their plane to come pick me up, come to the meeting for a couple hours, 1166 01:02:32,206 --> 01:02:35,418 put me back on the plane, send me to the next place I need to go. 1167 01:02:35,501 --> 01:02:36,419 It's amazing. 1168 01:02:36,502 --> 01:02:41,466 When I watched that video that he sent to do this reality show, 1169 01:02:41,549 --> 01:02:43,509 it was a bit shocking to me. 1170 01:02:43,593 --> 01:02:47,388 We work in the home of all these families, so we know them intimately. 1171 01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:50,725 I know what their bedrooms look like, what the laundry room looks like. 1172 01:02:50,808 --> 01:02:52,894 How they get along. So I know where… 1173 01:02:52,977 --> 01:02:57,857 I thought, "Really? You're gonna put yourself out there like that for this?" 1174 01:02:57,940 --> 01:03:01,235 It just didn't make sense. Everything was so private with him. 1175 01:03:01,319 --> 01:03:03,821 The whole time they're yelling, "It's my life! 1176 01:03:03,905 --> 01:03:06,407 If you go to this school… It's the wrong school. 1177 01:03:06,491 --> 01:03:10,244 I don't wanna pay 50,000 to go to this school!" Unbelievable. 1178 01:03:10,328 --> 01:03:11,662 It just didn't make sense, 1179 01:03:11,746 --> 01:03:17,418 especially at the caliber of the coach that I, you know, believed that he was. 1180 01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:22,757 He didn't have a lot of time for people in his life. 1181 01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:26,928 He was married for years, and he has a son. 1182 01:03:27,011 --> 01:03:30,556 When I met him, he was divorced probably six, seven years. 1183 01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:33,559 He'd say, "I'll only do this coaching 1184 01:03:33,643 --> 01:03:37,605 for another three, four, maybe five years, and then I'm done." 1185 01:03:40,316 --> 01:03:43,319 I don't know. I really don't know what made him happy 1186 01:03:43,402 --> 01:03:46,364 or what his desires even were. 1187 01:03:46,864 --> 01:03:48,991 It's almost like on a rat wheel, 1188 01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:54,288 trying to get to a means to an end, and there was really no end in sight. 1189 01:03:59,794 --> 01:04:03,589 So I… It's just you and me. I mean, is that kosher? Can we... 1190 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:04,674 Absolutely. 1191 01:04:04,757 --> 01:04:07,134 Part of the reason I'm taking my wife off this, 1192 01:04:07,218 --> 01:04:09,971 she's very nervous about all this, and I just… 1193 01:04:10,054 --> 01:04:13,975 Uh, I wanna have a… um… Let me ask you straight up. 1194 01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:17,895 You've never had an issue with this? No one's ever gotten in trouble with this? 1195 01:04:17,979 --> 01:04:19,522 Never had an issue with anybody. 1196 01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,899 Could you ever see that happening? 1197 01:04:21,983 --> 01:04:23,150 I'm not… 1198 01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:25,736 I've never seen it happen. 1199 01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:29,156 What I'm asking is could this ever get back to my daughter 1200 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,867 or to the family? 1201 01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:33,327 I mean, this comes out… I, uh… 1202 01:04:33,411 --> 01:04:36,414 I don't… I don't even wanna know what you guys do. 1203 01:04:36,497 --> 01:04:39,709 I'm just… Uh, Rick, so you… you understand... 1204 01:04:39,792 --> 01:04:41,377 No, I totally get it. 1205 01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:44,422 You're absolutely confident there's no issue here? 1206 01:04:46,173 --> 01:04:48,217 We've been doing this for a long time. 1207 01:04:48,301 --> 01:04:49,886 Let me put it differently. 1208 01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:53,639 If somebody were to catch this, what happens? 1209 01:04:53,723 --> 01:04:57,101 The only way someone can catch it is if you guys tell someone. 1210 01:04:57,184 --> 01:04:59,520 - I'm not gonna tell anybody. - Well? 1211 01:04:59,604 --> 01:05:01,147 It's just… 1212 01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:04,483 To be honest, I'm not worried about the moral issue here. 1213 01:05:04,567 --> 01:05:06,652 I'm worried about the… 1214 01:05:06,736 --> 01:05:10,281 She gets caught doing that, you know, she's finished. 1215 01:05:10,364 --> 01:05:12,116 So I… I just, uh… 1216 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:14,869 It's never happened before in 20-some-odd years. 1217 01:05:14,952 --> 01:05:16,871 The only thing that can happen is if... 1218 01:05:16,954 --> 01:05:20,708 - Someone talks. - Yeah, if she tells somebody. 1219 01:05:20,791 --> 01:05:23,878 Oh, yeah. I, uh… She… She won't talk. 1220 01:05:28,925 --> 01:05:33,846 Singer didn't make a fateful mistake that led to his being, uh, exposed. 1221 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,474 What happened is that somebody was arrested 1222 01:05:36,557 --> 01:05:39,310 on an unrelated securities charge, 1223 01:05:39,393 --> 01:05:41,687 and that person traded information. 1224 01:05:42,355 --> 01:05:43,856 That financial executive said, 1225 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:47,902 "You may be interested to know that a coach at Yale asked me for a bribe." 1226 01:05:47,985 --> 01:05:50,446 A gentleman by the name of Rudy Meredith, 1227 01:05:50,529 --> 01:05:55,159 who had been working with parents to get their children into Yale 1228 01:05:55,242 --> 01:05:59,121 under the guise that they were going to be soccer players. 1229 01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:01,624 The first question they ask Mr. Meredith 1230 01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:04,710 after they investigated and indicted him was, 1231 01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:07,088 "Is there anything you'd like to tell me?" 1232 01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:10,132 "Yes, there is. There's a gentleman named Rick Singer 1233 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:11,550 who I'd like to introduce you to, 1234 01:06:11,634 --> 01:06:16,180 and I'm happy to cooperate against him because I don't wanna go to prison." 1235 01:06:16,263 --> 01:06:19,517 So just like that, Rudy Meredith is a cooperating informant. 1236 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,394 Then he cooperates against Singer. 1237 01:06:51,590 --> 01:06:52,675 Thank you. 1238 01:07:16,198 --> 01:07:17,198 Hi, Rick. 1239 01:07:21,704 --> 01:07:23,247 Why don't you step inside? 1240 01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:35,134 It will happen as though… 1241 01:07:35,217 --> 01:07:38,387 She will think she's really super smart and she got lucky on a test, 1242 01:07:38,471 --> 01:07:39,930 and you got a score now. 1243 01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:41,766 It's the home run of home runs. 1244 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:43,809 - And it works? - Every time. 1245 01:07:50,566 --> 01:07:53,402 Singer agreed to cooperate with our investigation 1246 01:07:53,486 --> 01:07:55,112 and to be interviewed. 1247 01:07:55,196 --> 01:07:58,657 However, he was not fully forthcoming regarding parts of his scheme, 1248 01:07:58,741 --> 01:08:01,619 and it was my impression that he was not taking 1249 01:08:01,702 --> 01:08:04,080 full responsibility for his conduct. 1250 01:08:04,163 --> 01:08:06,665 Singer told us that the payments he and his clients 1251 01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:10,669 made to university athletics programs were donations. 1252 01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:13,297 We informed him that a payment in exchange 1253 01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:17,259 for recruiting a fake student athlete to an athletic team is illegal. 1254 01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:21,222 The next day, after consulting with his attorney, 1255 01:08:21,305 --> 01:08:24,475 Singer agreed to consensually record phone calls 1256 01:08:24,558 --> 01:08:27,311 with other individuals involved in his scheme. 1257 01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:31,732 For those calls, we instructed Singer to engage in a ruse. 1258 01:08:35,569 --> 01:08:39,031 Uh, so the reason I'm calling is, uh, so, 1259 01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:42,243 uh, my foundation is getting audited now. 1260 01:08:42,326 --> 01:08:45,037 - Oh. Well, that sucks. - Uh… Yeah. Right? 1261 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:47,665 - They're going back like they always do. - Yeah. 1262 01:08:47,748 --> 01:08:50,751 Elizabeth and Manuel Henriquezof Atherton. 1263 01:08:50,835 --> 01:08:54,213 They're accused of paying $400,000 in bribes. 1264 01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:56,507 So they're taking a look at all my payments. 1265 01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,885 They asked about the large sums of money that came in from you guys. 1266 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:00,803 Okay. 1267 01:09:00,886 --> 01:09:03,389 - Essentially... - For all the good deeds that you do. 1268 01:09:03,472 --> 01:09:06,767 Absolutely. Of course I didn't say anything, you know? 1269 01:09:06,851 --> 01:09:11,689 I'm not gonna tell the IRS that Mark took the test for Isabelle, or that Gordie... 1270 01:09:11,772 --> 01:09:13,107 Mm-hmm, right. Yeah. 1271 01:09:13,190 --> 01:09:17,319 Or that Gordie… Uh, we paid Gordieto help get into Georgetown, right? 1272 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:18,320 Right. 1273 01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:22,241 So I just wanna make sure that you and I are on the same page. 1274 01:09:22,324 --> 01:09:24,285 - Okay. - In case they were to call. 1275 01:09:24,368 --> 01:09:25,786 So what's your story? 1276 01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:30,040 So my story is essentially that you gave your money to our foundation 1277 01:09:30,124 --> 01:09:31,876 to help underserved kids. 1278 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:34,545 - You… Uh… Of course. - And, uh… 1279 01:09:34,628 --> 01:09:36,422 Those kids have to go to school. 1280 01:09:36,505 --> 01:09:37,590 Absolutely. 1281 01:09:45,931 --> 01:09:46,765 Okay. 1282 01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:49,852 I'm not surprised at Singer's level of involvement. 1283 01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:53,022 Much like he seized an opportunity to enrich himself 1284 01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:55,065 to help get their children into school, 1285 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,652 he equally seized another opportunity to earn cooperation credit. 1286 01:09:58,736 --> 01:10:01,155 He was just as zealous in cooperating 1287 01:10:01,238 --> 01:10:04,366 as he was in getting parents to pay him to get their kids into school. 1288 01:10:15,294 --> 01:10:19,256 - So there's no paper trail of money? - No, there's no paper trail of money. 1289 01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:20,716 Right. 1290 01:10:20,799 --> 01:10:22,885 So why did Isabelle do the test in Houston? 1291 01:10:22,968 --> 01:10:24,678 We gotta get into that story. 1292 01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:27,765 So let me go into it. Uh… 1293 01:10:29,892 --> 01:10:32,895 Essentially, there's nowhere where anybody knows, 1294 01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:36,815 because, in my books, it doesn't show that there was any money paid to Mark 1295 01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:39,735 for taking the test for Isabelle. Okay? 1296 01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:43,322 It doesn't show anything at all in our foundation or anything. 1297 01:10:43,405 --> 01:10:44,448 Just so you know. 1298 01:10:45,824 --> 01:10:46,825 Right. 1299 01:10:46,909 --> 01:10:50,621 So the question is, uh, if anybody calls me, the response is, 1300 01:10:50,704 --> 01:10:52,665 "No comment on the Houston issue." 1301 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:55,000 Remember, she went there because she needed special... 1302 01:10:55,084 --> 01:10:57,294 - I understand. - Accommodations. 1303 01:10:58,128 --> 01:10:59,463 Accommodations. 1304 01:10:59,546 --> 01:11:01,090 But I'm not gonna comment. 1305 01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:04,218 We gotta be very careful getting inbound calls. 1306 01:11:04,885 --> 01:11:06,178 "I've no idea who you are, 1307 01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:08,847 so I won't respond to an inbound call from anybody." 1308 01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:39,545 Rick said, "I wanna continue our relationship." 1309 01:11:39,628 --> 01:11:42,840 "I wanna call you in a week, and talk about another donation 1310 01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:46,343 like I did with the $110,000. I'd like to continue to do that." 1311 01:11:46,427 --> 01:11:48,887 I said, "Great." So he was true to his word. 1312 01:11:48,971 --> 01:11:51,557 He called me a week to two weeks later. 1313 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,392 I was rushing out the door, 1314 01:11:53,475 --> 01:11:56,145 but he's talking to me the whole time on this call. 1315 01:11:56,228 --> 01:11:57,980 I'm just "yeah-ing" him to death. 1316 01:11:58,063 --> 01:12:02,401 He said he wants to donate $160,000 right now, and he'd give the rest later, 1317 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:04,903 to continue a deposit on our relationship. 1318 01:12:04,987 --> 01:12:08,157 The only word I really picked up was "deposit." 1319 01:12:08,741 --> 01:12:10,909 I took it as his deposit on a relationship 1320 01:12:10,993 --> 01:12:14,079 was that he would bring me more recruits to consider. 1321 01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:16,457 And we'd see how it would go from there. 1322 01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:20,210 Then I didn't hear anything from Rick again and still haven't, actually. 1323 01:12:20,294 --> 01:12:22,421 That was the last conversation we had. 1324 01:12:23,088 --> 01:12:25,424 That phone call was set up by the FBI. 1325 01:12:25,507 --> 01:12:28,010 It turns out that was the most, uh… 1326 01:12:28,093 --> 01:12:30,929 tragic and most devastating phone call of my life. 1327 01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:33,432 I wanna make sure we're confirmed that, 1328 01:12:33,515 --> 01:12:37,102 going forward, I'm going to at least potentially have a spot with you. 1329 01:12:37,186 --> 01:12:41,148 It'll probably be an athlete like the other student who wasn't an actual sailor. 1330 01:12:41,231 --> 01:12:42,107 Okay. 1331 01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:44,109 I'll put together a profile for her, 1332 01:12:44,193 --> 01:12:48,572 and, uh… put all the major regattas that I come up with from the Internet, 1333 01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:50,157 and bring someone to you. 1334 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,035 - Then we'll make a payment to you again. - Great. 1335 01:12:53,535 --> 01:12:55,496 As someone who's defending somebody, 1336 01:12:55,579 --> 01:12:58,248 how did you feel hearing that tape? 1337 01:13:00,417 --> 01:13:01,919 Um… 1338 01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,589 It wasn't good, um, from my point of view. 1339 01:13:05,672 --> 01:13:06,672 Um… 1340 01:13:07,132 --> 01:13:09,968 And it would have been tough at trial. Tapes are… 1341 01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:12,888 When I was a prosecutor, I did a lot of wiretaps. 1342 01:13:12,971 --> 01:13:15,808 And I played a lot of wiretap calls or tapes. 1343 01:13:15,891 --> 01:13:18,685 And juries love hearing wiretap calls. 1344 01:13:19,269 --> 01:13:21,688 They can be good evidence. I explained that to him. 1345 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:24,525 I heard the call. I thought this was a good one, 1346 01:13:24,608 --> 01:13:26,860 and it could be tough to explain. 1347 01:13:27,444 --> 01:13:31,281 So I wanted to let you know, our foundation is… is being audited. 1348 01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:32,282 Yeah. 1349 01:13:32,366 --> 01:13:34,952 - Which is very normal, right? - Yeah. 1350 01:13:35,035 --> 01:13:36,912 They've been auditing my foundation. 1351 01:13:36,995 --> 01:13:37,830 Okay. 1352 01:13:37,913 --> 01:13:40,249 - Which is pretty typical. - Uh-huh. 1353 01:13:40,332 --> 01:13:43,168 - My foundation is being audited. - Uh-huh. 1354 01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,379 Like everybody on the planet, huh? 1355 01:13:45,462 --> 01:13:46,338 Sure. 1356 01:13:46,422 --> 01:13:48,173 So they've been looking at… 1357 01:13:48,257 --> 01:13:51,093 This wasn't a typical sting operation. 1358 01:13:51,176 --> 01:13:53,679 If you look back at the larger, white-collar cases, 1359 01:13:53,762 --> 01:13:56,515 Enron, for example, the leadership is indicted. 1360 01:13:56,598 --> 01:14:01,812 Maybe the CEO, the CFO, uh, the COO, and then, really, the indictments end. 1361 01:14:01,895 --> 01:14:06,859 Traditionally, a large RICO indictment like this is gonna be organized crime. 1362 01:14:06,942 --> 01:14:09,486 If you're going after a syndicate that deals drugs, 1363 01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:12,072 you start with local level dealers, flip one of them, 1364 01:14:12,156 --> 01:14:14,783 get a wire, work your way up to the middle-level dealer, 1365 01:14:14,867 --> 01:14:16,743 and you end up with the kingpin. 1366 01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:21,081 Here, Rick Singer was selling the product, and yet you had him first. 1367 01:14:21,165 --> 01:14:25,127 Then you worked your way down the chain to get the buyers of the product. 1368 01:14:25,210 --> 01:14:27,671 They started an audit on my foundation. 1369 01:14:27,754 --> 01:14:28,589 Yeah. 1370 01:14:28,672 --> 01:14:30,757 - Which is typical, right? - Okay. 1371 01:14:30,841 --> 01:14:32,968 - Which is pretty natural. - Yeah. 1372 01:14:33,051 --> 01:14:34,344 I'm gonna tell the IRS 1373 01:14:34,428 --> 01:14:37,264 that your donation to our foundation essentially went... 1374 01:14:37,347 --> 01:14:39,641 Wait, wait, Rick. Let me ask you a question. 1375 01:14:39,725 --> 01:14:43,145 Shouldn't we get together over this as opposed to over the phone? 1376 01:14:43,228 --> 01:14:44,938 Whatever you wanna do. I'm fine. 1377 01:14:45,022 --> 01:14:49,318 All I'm gonna tell the IRS is that your donation to our foundation 1378 01:14:49,401 --> 01:14:52,070 went to help underserved kids. That's it. 1379 01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,489 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1380 01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:55,782 In listening to some of the tapes of Singer, 1381 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:58,118 he's as skilled as I've ever heard 1382 01:14:58,202 --> 01:15:01,872 of getting someone to acknowledge wrongdoing. 1383 01:15:01,955 --> 01:15:03,874 Yeah, he was pretty good on the phone, 1384 01:15:03,957 --> 01:15:07,336 but that's only gonna work with these white-collar professionals. 1385 01:15:07,419 --> 01:15:12,299 Historically, white-collar defendants have almost no filter on the phone. 1386 01:15:12,382 --> 01:15:16,178 We know people at Goldman Sachs who, you know, recommended you highly. 1387 01:15:16,261 --> 01:15:19,848 My husband and I laugh every day about how great your work was. 1388 01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:22,184 We're like, "It was worth every cent." 1389 01:15:22,267 --> 01:15:25,312 If he was talking to organized crime members, 1390 01:15:25,395 --> 01:15:29,566 he would have been made as a cooperator within 30 seconds on the call. 1391 01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:34,071 So, what I want is to make sure that you and I are both on the same page. 1392 01:15:34,655 --> 01:15:36,156 Because I'm going to tell them 1393 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,370 that you made a $50K donation to my foundation to help underserved kids. 1394 01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,914 Not that Mark took the test for your daughter 1395 01:15:43,997 --> 01:15:46,708 or that she took the test at the West Hollywood test center. 1396 01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:48,377 What do you think, I'm a moron? 1397 01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:51,880 No, I… I'm not saying you're a moron. The point is that... 1398 01:15:51,964 --> 01:15:53,632 I got it, Rick. I got it. 1399 01:15:53,715 --> 01:15:55,175 I'll say I've been inspired, 1400 01:15:55,259 --> 01:15:58,679 how you're helping underprivileged kids get into college. Got it. 1401 01:15:58,762 --> 01:16:00,305 Hey, Rick. I… 1402 01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:01,932 You know, I don't… 1403 01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:04,768 You know, whatever you do, you do, you know? 1404 01:16:04,851 --> 01:16:07,688 I really don't feel comfortable talking to you about this 1405 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,940 in terms of kind of, you know, your… 1406 01:16:10,023 --> 01:16:10,857 In terms of… 1407 01:16:10,941 --> 01:16:13,402 In terms of kind of your… You know, your dealings. 1408 01:16:13,986 --> 01:16:17,114 Stephen Semprevivo, a Los Angeles businessman, 1409 01:16:17,197 --> 01:16:23,412 paying $400,000 to get his son into Georgetown as a fake tennis recruit. 1410 01:16:23,495 --> 01:16:26,707 You know, all I know is that we used you for the charity stuff 1411 01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:28,542 and we used you for the counseling, 1412 01:16:28,625 --> 01:16:31,128 and your dealings are your dealings. And so, you know… 1413 01:16:31,211 --> 01:16:33,088 No, I get that. I understand that. 1414 01:16:33,171 --> 01:16:35,173 But at the same time, we were all a part... 1415 01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:37,342 No, I don't agree with that at all. 1416 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:39,761 You don't agree that we got him in through tennis? 1417 01:16:39,845 --> 01:16:41,680 I don't. I don't. I… 1418 01:16:41,763 --> 01:16:44,891 You know, you did what you did, and that was your stuff, okay? 1419 01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:46,768 - Okay. - You did what you did. 1420 01:16:46,852 --> 01:16:50,439 I won't take accountability for it. You need to be accountable for... 1421 01:16:50,522 --> 01:16:52,899 Absolutely. I'm absolutely accountable, 1422 01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:55,902 that I got him in through tennis, and that you guys were aware of it. 1423 01:16:55,986 --> 01:16:59,281 I'm totally aware of it and I accept total responsibility 1424 01:16:59,364 --> 01:17:02,659 that I used my relationship and made your son a tennis player. 1425 01:17:02,743 --> 01:17:05,537 We all agreed that that's what we were going to do. 1426 01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:07,289 You know, I don't have any details, 1427 01:17:07,372 --> 01:17:10,208 but I think you need to be accountable for what you did. 1428 01:17:10,292 --> 01:17:13,295 So I don't wanna talk about this anymore because, you know… 1429 01:17:13,378 --> 01:17:15,672 I think there were two separate things. 1430 01:17:15,756 --> 01:17:18,634 And we used you, and we donated. 1431 01:17:18,717 --> 01:17:21,219 We donated as a charity, and it was a good charity. 1432 01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:22,804 We were excited we could help. 1433 01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:25,641 In terms of how you do favors for people separately, 1434 01:17:25,724 --> 01:17:28,060 that's, you know, I… 1435 01:17:28,852 --> 01:17:31,605 We appreciate any help you gave us. 1436 01:17:31,688 --> 01:17:34,483 But, you know, we used you in terms of the… 1437 01:17:34,566 --> 01:17:36,777 In terms of your college stuff. 1438 01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:39,571 We paid you well for the work you did there separately. 1439 01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:42,032 So… And we appreciate it. 1440 01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:43,450 So I think that… 1441 01:17:44,284 --> 01:17:46,078 If you're trying to turn something around 1442 01:17:46,161 --> 01:17:48,330 in terms of what you did and how you did it, 1443 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:49,539 then I don't wanna be… 1444 01:17:49,623 --> 01:17:51,249 I don't wanna be a part of that. 1445 01:17:51,958 --> 01:17:55,754 You know, I'm so paranoid about this fucking thing you were talking about, 1446 01:17:55,837 --> 01:17:58,215 I don't like talking about it on the phone. 1447 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:02,678 I mean, I'm thinking, you know, are they… 1448 01:18:02,761 --> 01:18:05,722 I can't imagine they'd go to the trouble of tapping my phone, 1449 01:18:05,806 --> 01:18:08,141 but would they tap someone like your phones? 1450 01:18:08,225 --> 01:18:11,436 Real estate tycoon Bruce Isackson and his wife Davina 1451 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,189 paying $600,000 to help their two daughters 1452 01:18:14,272 --> 01:18:16,149 get into UCLA and USC 1453 01:18:16,233 --> 01:18:20,112 through the test cheating scheme and the athletic recruitment scheme. 1454 01:18:20,612 --> 01:18:23,573 Worst case, we'd get a call from them and they'd say to you, 1455 01:18:23,657 --> 01:18:25,450 "Prove you gave this money…" 1456 01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:27,619 - They'd ask for some. - But you did. 1457 01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:28,954 Yeah. 1458 01:18:29,579 --> 01:18:31,998 But… I'm just thinking that… 1459 01:18:32,082 --> 01:18:34,626 Oh, my God. Because you're thinking… 1460 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:40,048 If they get into the meat and potatoes, is this gonna be a front-page story? 1461 01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:42,050 Well, the person who'd be on the front page... 1462 01:18:42,134 --> 01:18:44,094 Yeah, but will I… But… But if… 1463 01:18:44,177 --> 01:18:48,098 If they got into the meat and potatoes, which a guy would love to have is… 1464 01:18:48,181 --> 01:18:51,101 Look how hard it is for these kids to get into college and… 1465 01:18:51,184 --> 01:18:53,145 Look what's going on behind the scenes. 1466 01:18:53,228 --> 01:18:57,149 And then… you know, the embarrassment to everyone in the communities. 1467 01:18:57,232 --> 01:18:58,232 My God. 1468 01:18:59,234 --> 01:19:00,318 It'd just be, uh… 1469 01:19:02,362 --> 01:19:03,697 God, just… 1470 01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:05,741 Oh… 1471 01:19:17,836 --> 01:19:21,965 Fast forward a couple months, we go through the Christmas season, 1472 01:19:22,048 --> 01:19:25,343 we get a knock on the door at 7:00, 7:30 in the morning 1473 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:27,804 and it's two women. 1474 01:19:27,888 --> 01:19:30,015 They kinda hold up badges and say, 1475 01:19:30,098 --> 01:19:33,059 "I'm from the IRS," and "I'm from the FBI." 1476 01:19:33,143 --> 01:19:35,896 I said, "What's this about? What can I help you with?" 1477 01:19:35,979 --> 01:19:40,192 "Oh, we just have a few questions in terms of college admissions and so on." 1478 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:42,194 I said, "Whatever I can do to help." 1479 01:19:42,277 --> 01:19:45,238 The FBI agent started asking questions about Rick Singer. 1480 01:19:45,322 --> 01:19:48,325 I described our relationship, that he brought me recruits, 1481 01:19:48,408 --> 01:19:50,327 he was donating, and they said, 1482 01:19:50,410 --> 01:19:53,663 "No, that's not what it was. It was you taking bribes." 1483 01:19:53,747 --> 01:19:55,957 They kinda wrapped up with saying that, 1484 01:19:56,041 --> 01:19:58,710 "Stanford knows about this. They're really angry with you." 1485 01:19:59,294 --> 01:20:01,963 They gave me their cards and they said goodbye. 1486 01:20:03,006 --> 01:20:06,885 I promptly went upstairs, sat down on my bed and cried. 1487 01:20:06,968 --> 01:20:08,929 I didn't know what happened. 1488 01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:12,349 John Vandemoer reached out to me. He was in need of an attorney. 1489 01:20:12,432 --> 01:20:14,184 There was such a sense of urgency. 1490 01:20:14,267 --> 01:20:16,186 "You have to meet him before next week. 1491 01:20:16,269 --> 01:20:20,190 We have to know if he's gonna take a plea deal or not within 48 hours." 1492 01:20:20,273 --> 01:20:21,942 He flew in the red-eye. 1493 01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:26,196 I'd never met him before, but he just looked… He was tired, 1494 01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:30,075 and obviously extremely upset at what was about to happen. 1495 01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:34,955 And he says, "So it's not good. You're being charged with mail fraud, 1496 01:20:35,038 --> 01:20:36,748 tax fraud and wire fraud." 1497 01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:39,835 "Each of those counts carry a 20-year sentence in prison." 1498 01:20:39,918 --> 01:20:42,838 The allegation is that he joined Rick Singer's conspiracy, 1499 01:20:42,921 --> 01:20:46,550 the object of which was to help these students, who were not sailors, 1500 01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:50,554 get recruited for his team so they would gain access or admission to Stanford. 1501 01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:51,721 In exchange for that, 1502 01:20:51,805 --> 01:20:54,975 Rick would wire him money or mail a check, or hand him a check. 1503 01:20:55,058 --> 01:20:57,477 That triggers the wire fraud and the mail fraud. 1504 01:20:57,561 --> 01:21:00,897 They already had Stanford willing to testify against me. 1505 01:21:00,981 --> 01:21:03,358 Rick Singer was gonna testify against me. 1506 01:21:03,441 --> 01:21:06,111 I didn't really have any evidence on my side. 1507 01:21:06,194 --> 01:21:08,780 Between my wife and my dad and I, 1508 01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:12,367 we kinda decided that it made sense for me to plead guilty, 1509 01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:14,661 um, and be a felon for the rest of my life. 1510 01:21:17,038 --> 01:21:20,625 When you plead guilty, you must meet with the Department of Probation. 1511 01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:22,043 He was being interviewed. 1512 01:21:22,127 --> 01:21:26,256 At the time when I was in that interview, that's when the story broke. 1513 01:21:26,339 --> 01:21:30,552 We're here today to announce charges in the largest college admissions scam 1514 01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:33,054 ever prosecuted by the Department of Justice. 1515 01:21:33,555 --> 01:21:36,141 We've charged 50 people nationwide. 1516 01:21:36,224 --> 01:21:40,145 I was in Las Vegas covering some conference basketball tournament 1517 01:21:40,228 --> 01:21:44,733 when I got a phone call early in the morning from an editor saying, 1518 01:21:44,816 --> 01:21:49,529 "What are you doing? Whatever it is, drop it and get to Los Angeles." 1519 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:52,908 Breaking headline of that massive college cheating scandal late today. 1520 01:21:52,991 --> 01:21:56,703 Dozens of actors, coaches and CEOs are among those charged. 1521 01:21:57,954 --> 01:22:00,624 And my phone started blowing up. 1522 01:22:00,707 --> 01:22:03,144 My lawyer was looking at his phone the whole time, 1523 01:22:03,168 --> 01:22:05,712 and it was like, you know, "This is huge." 1524 01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:09,007 Thirty-three parents have been charged, including Lori Loughlin… 1525 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:10,890 Authorities arrest Felicity Huffman 1526 01:22:10,967 --> 01:22:12,427 at her Hollywood Hills home. 1527 01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:14,471 They had guns drawn and everything. 1528 01:22:14,554 --> 01:22:16,274 Raids on the homes of the rich. 1529 01:22:16,348 --> 01:22:17,390 FBI! 1530 01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:20,018 Every single one of these parents should be in jail. 1531 01:22:20,101 --> 01:22:22,479 How the schools fell for these photoshops… 1532 01:22:22,562 --> 01:22:24,773 Use your heads, people. That's not… 1533 01:22:24,856 --> 01:22:28,860 Olivia Giannulli was famous for her presence on social media. 1534 01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:32,113 Now she's become target number one for public outrage. 1535 01:22:32,197 --> 01:22:34,532 Her famous parents are charged with spending 1536 01:22:34,616 --> 01:22:38,244 half a million dollars in bribes to get their daughters into USC. 1537 01:22:38,328 --> 01:22:40,538 I started watching Olivia three years ago. 1538 01:22:40,622 --> 01:22:43,708 I've been watching pretty much every single one of her videos. 1539 01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:47,754 She goes and cheats to get into school? 1540 01:22:47,837 --> 01:22:51,800 And takes a spot from possibly one of her own fans? 1541 01:22:51,883 --> 01:22:53,718 She lost a lot of her sponsorships. 1542 01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:57,555 They discontinued a makeup palette that she did with Sephora. 1543 01:22:58,556 --> 01:23:00,183 Hey, Olivia. How are you? 1544 01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:04,688 How are you after the college scandal? Have you been speaking to your mom? 1545 01:23:04,771 --> 01:23:10,276 In a weird way, she has almost become a bigger celebrity because of this. 1546 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,655 Olivia, it's good to see you back out and about. 1547 01:23:13,738 --> 01:23:14,864 Feeling confident? 1548 01:23:14,948 --> 01:23:20,370 People attacked her on Instagram and her comments were flooded with stuff. 1549 01:23:20,453 --> 01:23:23,456 She can look at people's comments on the Internet 1550 01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:25,583 and be, "They're just trolls." No. 1551 01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:28,712 I'm not trolling you, dude. I'm pissed. 1552 01:23:28,795 --> 01:23:30,338 I'm disappointed in you. 1553 01:23:30,922 --> 01:23:35,844 And, um… the only thing I have left to say about this… 1554 01:23:41,391 --> 01:23:45,812 John Vandemoer agreed to accept more than $600,000 from Rick Singer, 1555 01:23:45,895 --> 01:23:49,024 the alleged mastermind of the college admissions scandal. 1556 01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:52,569 A neighbor texted me and said, "Are you reading those articles?" 1557 01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:54,070 "Do you see who it is?" 1558 01:23:54,154 --> 01:23:57,407 And it was, "Oh, my gosh, it's Rick Singer." 1559 01:23:57,490 --> 01:23:59,159 I started jumping up and down. 1560 01:23:59,242 --> 01:24:00,910 I said, "I can't believe it." 1561 01:24:00,994 --> 01:24:04,497 "I can't believe they caught the guy. I cannot believe it." 1562 01:24:04,581 --> 01:24:07,625 The messages I was getting on my phone, the news alerts, 1563 01:24:07,709 --> 01:24:09,753 it really was, I thought, 1564 01:24:09,836 --> 01:24:12,922 an overwhelming reaction to a criminal case. 1565 01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:15,341 Walked outside, which wasn't a good idea. 1566 01:24:15,425 --> 01:24:18,762 There was cameras in my face, questions being blurted out. 1567 01:24:18,845 --> 01:24:21,973 - What made you plead guilty? - It was overwhelming. 1568 01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:23,057 It was a mob scene. 1569 01:24:23,099 --> 01:24:26,227 You're not allowed to have your cell phone in the courthouse. 1570 01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:30,065 I checked my phone, and I have an email from Stanford telling me I'm fired. 1571 01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:33,234 I didn't have a paycheck anymore, or health insurance. 1572 01:24:33,318 --> 01:24:36,529 Most importantly, my kids' daycare, 1573 01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:39,699 the roof over our head, was on the Stanford campus. 1574 01:24:39,783 --> 01:24:41,868 The same school that was my victim. 1575 01:24:41,951 --> 01:24:45,121 Any message to your former athletes? They looked up to you. 1576 01:24:45,205 --> 01:24:48,541 I also made the mistake leaving my social media on, 1577 01:24:48,625 --> 01:24:50,794 and it's just… hate. 1578 01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:53,046 I got a couple death threats on the phone. 1579 01:24:53,129 --> 01:24:55,131 Anonymous folks sending messages 1580 01:24:55,215 --> 01:24:58,384 that they were upset at what they thought he did. 1581 01:24:58,468 --> 01:25:02,138 I was the "worst fat fuck" that they've ever seen in their life. 1582 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:04,265 "How did I ever fit in a frickin' sailboat? 1583 01:25:04,349 --> 01:25:06,184 How could I do this to Stanford? 1584 01:25:06,267 --> 01:25:08,394 I should just fucking die and go away." 1585 01:25:08,478 --> 01:25:11,773 The week that it broke, we got a call from a Chinese guy 1586 01:25:11,856 --> 01:25:14,859 who wanted to pay $10 million to get into Harvard. 1587 01:25:14,943 --> 01:25:17,946 I was like, "Man, have you read the news?" Like… 1588 01:25:18,029 --> 01:25:20,198 This is the worst week to make this call. 1589 01:25:20,281 --> 01:25:25,578 When the story broke, I was getting ready to go into a meeting, 1590 01:25:25,662 --> 01:25:28,289 and I got a call from a friend of mine, and he says, 1591 01:25:28,373 --> 01:25:34,170 "Hey, who's the guy you worked for at the getting-into-college company?" 1592 01:25:34,254 --> 01:25:35,880 I said, "Rick Singer. Why?" 1593 01:25:35,964 --> 01:25:38,174 He says, "You gotta be kidding." I said, "No, why?" 1594 01:25:39,008 --> 01:25:43,221 "Turn on the news. Go on Facebook. Go on Instagram. Whatever." 1595 01:25:43,304 --> 01:25:46,558 "Just open up your phone and look." 1596 01:25:47,851 --> 01:25:50,937 And I couldn't believe it. 1597 01:25:55,942 --> 01:25:59,028 There's a videotape of Rick just walking solemnly 1598 01:25:59,112 --> 01:26:02,448 with all these reporters, and not looking at anyone, 1599 01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:03,532 and my… 1600 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:07,036 My heart just sank. It just sank. 1601 01:26:07,745 --> 01:26:09,956 Finally, it was time for me to go in. 1602 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:11,499 It's my time to be sentenced. 1603 01:26:12,292 --> 01:26:13,710 Rick was still in there. 1604 01:26:13,793 --> 01:26:17,463 We literally have to cross each other right away. 1605 01:26:17,547 --> 01:26:21,176 Rick, of course, doesn't look me in the eye or anything else. 1606 01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:22,259 It just, uh… 1607 01:26:22,969 --> 01:26:26,514 I'll never forget that moment when we walked by each other like that. 1608 01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:30,185 My heart was pounding. 1609 01:26:30,268 --> 01:26:34,105 Um, sitting between my two lawyers and the judge comes up 1610 01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:37,483 and "conspiracy racketeering" is what I end up pleading guilty to. 1611 01:26:37,650 --> 01:26:40,403 Judge Zobel understood that this was a guy 1612 01:26:40,486 --> 01:26:42,780 who really cared deeply about his students 1613 01:26:42,864 --> 01:26:45,116 and there was no need to send him to jail. 1614 01:26:45,783 --> 01:26:48,536 Mr. Vandemoer is probably the least culpable 1615 01:26:48,620 --> 01:26:51,122 of all of the defendants in this group of cases. 1616 01:26:51,206 --> 01:26:54,334 Certainly the parents are in a different position. 1617 01:26:54,417 --> 01:26:57,212 The other coaches benefitted for themselves. 1618 01:26:57,295 --> 01:26:59,047 He did not do that. 1619 01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:03,176 She gave me six months of home confinement, two years of probation. 1620 01:27:03,259 --> 01:27:05,303 And I got a $10,000 fine. 1621 01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:08,348 I think, for John, that was truly the right decision. 1622 01:27:08,932 --> 01:27:10,642 And he didn't have to serve time. 1623 01:27:10,725 --> 01:27:13,561 He's home with his kids. He's bettering himself. 1624 01:27:13,645 --> 01:27:15,772 He's going back to school. He has a job. 1625 01:27:15,855 --> 01:27:19,609 He seems, when I talk to him, that he's in a much, much better place. 1626 01:27:19,692 --> 01:27:22,278 I believe, in Stanford's victim impact letter, 1627 01:27:22,362 --> 01:27:27,617 they said they're still in possession of over $700,000 in donations. 1628 01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:30,411 Neither me or any associates working for me at the firm 1629 01:27:30,495 --> 01:27:34,540 could find any case where the victim of a racketeering conspiracy, 1630 01:27:34,624 --> 01:27:38,127 at the end of the conspiracy ended up $770,000 richer 1631 01:27:38,211 --> 01:27:40,672 than they were at the beginning of the conspiracy. 1632 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,179 Rick Singer is back in Sacramento. 1633 01:27:48,263 --> 01:27:51,224 He drives around town. He's still in his athletic clothes. 1634 01:27:51,307 --> 01:27:52,934 He doesn't look any flashier. 1635 01:27:53,017 --> 01:27:56,312 He swims twice a day at a local tennis club. 1636 01:27:56,396 --> 01:27:58,606 And he gets out of the pool in a Speedo, 1637 01:27:58,690 --> 01:28:00,900 does yoga, push-ups, and he's on the phone. 1638 01:28:00,984 --> 01:28:02,735 Sometimes he has multiple phones. 1639 01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:06,572 My understanding, he's telling people that he's not gonna go to jail 1640 01:28:06,656 --> 01:28:08,950 because they know the judge, etcetera. 1641 01:28:09,033 --> 01:28:12,078 Again, knowing Rick Singer, you don't know what to believe. 1642 01:28:12,161 --> 01:28:15,581 You don't know if he believes it or if it's an outright lie. 1643 01:28:15,665 --> 01:28:18,209 Um, you know, he's plead guilty to four felonies. 1644 01:28:18,293 --> 01:28:21,587 I just have to believe he's going to go to jail. 1645 01:28:22,547 --> 01:28:26,217 Is the system broken? Any comment on anything? 1646 01:28:27,677 --> 01:28:31,264 There's a video in which you see a guy with a mic 1647 01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:36,185 trying to get Rick Singer to answer questions, and he just stonewalls them. 1648 01:28:38,021 --> 01:28:40,106 Can any good come out of this, Rick? 1649 01:28:40,606 --> 01:28:45,403 He seems unperturbed by these people trying to interview him. 1650 01:28:45,486 --> 01:28:49,324 It makes you wonder about the levels of his regret. 1651 01:28:49,407 --> 01:28:54,162 He's a bit of a cipher in his attitude about this whole affair. 1652 01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:58,499 You seem comfortable. You're taking your time here. 1653 01:29:01,002 --> 01:29:03,755 Did you really work with over 700 families? 1654 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,508 Rick, is the system broken? 1655 01:29:12,847 --> 01:29:14,974 Actress Lori Loughlin of Full House 1656 01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:16,642 was sentenced to two months in prison. 1657 01:29:16,726 --> 01:29:18,686 Her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, 1658 01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:20,271 was sentenced to five months. 1659 01:29:20,355 --> 01:29:24,317 Actress Felicity Huffman received 14 days behind bars. 1660 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:28,029 No good will have come out of these sentences or out of this scandal. 1661 01:29:28,112 --> 01:29:31,449 The fines they've been given, meaningless. 1662 01:29:31,532 --> 01:29:33,868 In terms of hitting them in their pocketbook, 1663 01:29:33,951 --> 01:29:37,205 what a difference it could have made if we hit them hard 1664 01:29:37,288 --> 01:29:40,666 and put that money to work for underprivileged kids. 1665 01:29:41,167 --> 01:29:42,835 That would have been amazing. 1666 01:29:42,919 --> 01:29:45,922 Then you can say at least some good came of it. 1667 01:29:46,005 --> 01:29:50,676 I try not to blame the families or the parents. 1668 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,389 I tend to focus the criticism on the colleges 1669 01:29:54,472 --> 01:29:57,266 and universities that created this system. 1670 01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:59,310 If they didn't have these loopholes 1671 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:02,271 and these preferences for families of privilege, 1672 01:30:02,355 --> 01:30:05,650 then I don't think there would be these kind of temptations. 1673 01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:10,655 This scandal is not necessarily a reason for colleges to change their ways. 1674 01:30:10,738 --> 01:30:15,535 Because it makes the colleges seem more exclusive and desirable than ever. 1675 01:30:15,618 --> 01:30:19,664 If all these rich people are willing to go to these incredible lengths 1676 01:30:19,747 --> 01:30:23,376 and risk jail time just to get their kids into these colleges, 1677 01:30:23,459 --> 01:30:26,462 then they must be extremely valuable. 1678 01:30:26,546 --> 01:30:30,258 What are we doing to these kids by pounding them into the ground 1679 01:30:30,341 --> 01:30:33,845 with "top 25, top 10, top 5"? 1680 01:30:33,928 --> 01:30:36,681 Because ultimately, where you do go to school 1681 01:30:36,764 --> 01:30:40,810 has little or no effect on what will happen to you in the future. 1682 01:30:40,893 --> 01:30:44,147 The United States has over 3,000 colleges. 1683 01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:46,065 You have infinite choices. 1684 01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:47,358 Forget about USC. 1685 01:30:48,317 --> 01:30:50,069 Go someplace else. 1686 01:30:50,153 --> 01:30:54,198 You can get a great education almost any place if you want it. 1687 01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:57,785 The parents in this case didn't believe that. 1688 01:30:57,869 --> 01:31:00,329 Because the bigger school had the prestige, 1689 01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:03,833 had the glitter, had the glamour, had the bragging rights. 1690 01:31:04,917 --> 01:31:09,046 Why did these parents choose to cheat this 1691 01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:11,340 when their children had so much already? 1692 01:31:11,424 --> 01:31:15,470 Part of it seems to be when you reach a certain level of wealth, 1693 01:31:15,553 --> 01:31:18,389 there's a relentless pursuit of the trappings of power. 1694 01:31:18,473 --> 01:31:20,016 You wanna have the fancy car, 1695 01:31:20,099 --> 01:31:22,059 the fancy house, whether you need it or not, 1696 01:31:22,143 --> 01:31:23,561 and it just seems to me 1697 01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:27,523 that the atmosphere created in high-wealth societies 1698 01:31:28,024 --> 01:31:29,400 is part of the problem. 1699 01:31:30,234 --> 01:31:34,614 In America, we love the wealthy and we hate the wealthy. 1700 01:31:34,697 --> 01:31:37,408 They disgust us and they fascinate us. 1701 01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:42,788 This story was a perfect opportunity to see how rich people live 1702 01:31:42,872 --> 01:31:46,083 and the realities of the system being exposed, 1703 01:31:46,167 --> 01:31:48,586 and so there's something incredibly refreshing 1704 01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:53,382 to have just a little bit of justice being served in a sea of injustice. 1705 01:34:00,009 --> 01:34:02,845 Rick will be living with this for quite a while. 1706 01:34:03,512 --> 01:34:06,682 If he didn't cooperate, he would have been charged, 1707 01:34:06,766 --> 01:34:08,059 maybe convicted already. 1708 01:34:08,142 --> 01:34:11,103 And right now he's out, a free man still. 1709 01:34:11,187 --> 01:34:15,191 And his cooperation won't be complete until the very last person 1710 01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:17,318 charged in this conspiracy is sentenced, 1711 01:34:17,401 --> 01:34:20,154 and that is most likely gonna be a while from now. 151747

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