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This thing is massive,
never was a living person.
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Hate to think this, but I think
maybe it wants to kill me.
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This shadow person is feeding.
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Seem a little on edge.
You okay?
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You are going to be attacked.
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This was supposed
to be my dream.
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It's just really fallen apart.
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It'll kill this person.
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And I just feel fear.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This is like
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Grand Central Station
for the dead.
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I see dead people.
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They have pain
that they suffered.
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I speak to dead people.
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She hates them, hates them.
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And they speak to me,
but there's only one way to know
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if my findings are real.
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It's a demon.
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It's Satan.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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What was the body count?
What happened?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I don't know
if it's a demon or not,
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but it sure as hell
looks like one.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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I feel like I'm crazy.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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I don't want to show you this.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay.
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I just don't want anything
to happen to my mother.
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Or time to get out.
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You have to get out.
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I'm up here
in Hartford, Wisconsin.
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It's about an hour
north of Milwaukee.
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Got a call from a mom
named Carole.
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Now, she recently fulfilled her
lifelong dream
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moving her family out
to a horse farm.
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She says it's been nothing
but a disaster.
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No one's safe.
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It's getting worse by the day,
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and she says if Amy
and I can't fix it,
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somebody's gonna get killed.
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I can't hide the fact
that this is a horse farm,
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but I still need to cover
leading information
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like artwork, religious symbols,
and family photos
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that could influence
Amy's findings.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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I'm seeing a living woman.
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She's getting attacked
by the land,
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like, swallowed up
in the ground.
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She is overwhelmed.
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The earth is wanting
to absorb her.
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He wants to kill her.
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So, Carole, I appreciate you
showing me around the property.
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I mean, it's absolutely
beautiful here.
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But when we spoke on the phone
originally,
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you were very upset
by what's happened,
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so tell me
what's going on here.
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It's really horrible here.
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Something is attacking
my family,
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and we don't feel safe here.
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So, Carole, I'm curious.
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What's with the horses?
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It's something that
I've always wanted to do
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was have my own farm,
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so I could have
my horses at home and...
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this is always
what I've wanted to do,
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and it's just been
a nightmare.
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I understand.
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It's kind of a huge price
to pay for my dream.
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Okay, so, now, who all lives
in the house?
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My husband,
my daughter, and I.
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Okay, how old
is your daughter?
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15.
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So, Carole, if you can,
do me a favor
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and just give me an idea of
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a rundown of
what's going on here.
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There's activity
pretty much every day.
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Objects move on their own.
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Our electronics turn on
and off on their own.
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We see shadow figures
in the barn and in the house.
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How's it been affecting you,
the family?
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It's been really hard
on my marriage.
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Little things can set us off.
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I feel very guilty
because I wanted this.
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I'm not sure how my husband
ever felt,
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but he's always supported me.
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I try to, like, minimize it
for Ashley
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because I try not
to feed into her fear.
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Okay. It's tough enough
being a teenager.
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Yeah.
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You know any history
about the property
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that might help
my investigation?
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I've heard from the neighbors
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that a woman committed suicide
on the property,
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but long before we owned it.
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All right,
I'll look into that.
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Well, I'm curious as
to what you think is here.
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I just think it's something
really dark and really evil.
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It likes us to be unhappy.
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I think it wants us
to either leave,
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or it wants to hurt us.
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This living woman,
I was getting her feelings.
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She was feeling stuck,
feeling overwhelmed with this,
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like, maybe thinking
it's too much for her here.
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What I saw was, like,
she's standing on this land,
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and it's like quicksand.
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It's up to her thighs,
and it's causing her heart
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and/or breathing issues
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and possibly something
with her blood or circulation.
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She feels like she's alone.
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She's got to be worried
about all this stuff.
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So, Carole,
what's going on in here?
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Well, the other day,
we had a picture frame
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just go flying off the piano
pretty much across the room,
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and it hit the floor.
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Piano looks level.
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Was it fixed, or has it
always been that level?
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It's always been like that,
that I know of.
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All right, so you got pictures
flying off the piano.
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Anything else?
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I was just sitting
on the couch relaxing,
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and I noticed that the light
turned on in the bathroom.
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Was anybody else home?
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No, I was alone.
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Did you ever have
an electrician come out
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and check this stuff out?
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Yes. We have had all
the electrical updated
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on the property
and the house.
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All right.
So anything else?
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The other day, my daughter and I
were sitting on the couch,
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and the TV
just turned on by itself.
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You leave the remote
lying around?
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We had it sitting on the coffee
table in front of us.
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It wasn't where, like, we could
touch it or the dogs.
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It terrified my daughter.
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She ended up not even being able
to sleep that night,
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she was so scared.
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Dear.
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I'm just seeing this living
woman, like, losing her
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**** down here, just coming
down here to, like, vent.
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Things might happen
for her down here --
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objects moving, doors shaking,
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electronics malfunctioning,
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light bulbs going out,
TV stuff.
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But I do feel like
she's a PK agent,
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you know, the typical
things that happen with,
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like, poltergeist activity.
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You know, I don't know what's
going on with these headaches.
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So what's going on?
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Well, I have really
weird health issues here.
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Okay, like what?
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I just feel like I'm being
drained all the time.
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I get really bad headaches.
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I don't know if that's
paranormal or not,
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but you seem to think it is.
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Yes, only because
I've never had that before.
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Okay, anything else?
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I get scratched a lot.
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I have picture of some of them.
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This ain't an allergic reaction,
obviously, to anything.
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Anything in the bed
that could cause the scratches?
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I don't think so, no.
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Anything else?
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I have seen shadows
in this room.
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So when you're seeing
the shadow figures,
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what exactly
is it looking like?
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It's like darkness, like,
really pitch darkness.
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You open your eyes,
and it's as black as, like,
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there's no light at all.
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When that happens,
it's really bad.
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Like, I really have
a hard time breathing
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when that shadow is here,
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and it feels, like, really heavy
like something's
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almost pressing down on you
when you're trying to sleep.
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The hell you think that is
and what it wants?
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Hate to think this, but I think
maybe it wants to kill me.
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I don't like this
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at all.
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There was a shadow thing here,
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and then it sat up,
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and then it slid
right under there,
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and it made me feel like sick,
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and it **** felt evil.
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I don't like that.
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It never was a living person,
real shadow person.
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But a person in here,
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this is already a sick person,
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and then this shadow person
is feeding.
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It's, like, taking in
their energy and...
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all, like, their breath,
making her sick.
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- Is this the person with PK?
- Yes.
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And so what kind of
experiences
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would they be having
with all this?
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This person would feel having
episodes of waking up,
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like, you know,
with shortness of breath.
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This shadow person
makes them feel smothered,
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basically sucking the life
out of them.
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Because they're already weak,
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it'll kill this person.
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So, Ashley, your mom tells me
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about all the stuff
going on in the house.-
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Okay. It's pretty
scary stuff, right? Yeah.
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She's pretty worried about you.
Has she told you that?
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Yes, and I'm really, really
worried about her, actually.
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I'm just scared
it's gonna go too far,
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and it'll take her away.
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I'm actually really scared
about losing her.
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Okay.
You seem a little on edge.
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You okay?
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Yeah, I just have
a bit of anxiety.
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I apologize.
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That's okay.
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So, Ashley, when I was
talking to Mom,
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she was telling me that she
deals with bad headaches,
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trouble breathing,
feeling drained.
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Are you feeling
any of those things?
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I'm actually feeling
all of them. Okay.
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I just want to talk about
any other experiences
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you might have had.
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Well, I've been seeing
shadows in the hallway.
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You've seen them
from your bedroom?
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Yes, I usually see them
from my bedroom.
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Okay, what kind of shadows
are we talking about?
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They look like blobs,
like, shapeless blobs.
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What do you think
they're doing?
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I just feel like
they're watching me usually.
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So I was talking to your mom,
and she was having some issues
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with a shadow-type
figure in her room.
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Do you think it could be
the same thing
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that you're seeing,
by any chance,
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that might be
going into Mom's room?
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Think so. It scares me.
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- Okay. All right. Relax.
- I'm sorry.
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It's all right.
Relax, relax.
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Nobody's gonna hurt you
while I'm here, okay?
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Thank you.
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Okay, is there anything else,
honey?
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I've been shoved, actually.
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Okay, where have you
been shoved?
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In bed, when I'm laying down.
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I'll basically be almost,
like, nearly asleep,
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and then I just feel this,
like, kind of rough shove.
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Does it feel like an adult
is touching you?
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Yes.
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Okay, anything else?
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Well, I've also heard
banging on the walls.
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Now, have you ever gone
by the door
254
00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:23,523
and looked out
to see what's there?
255
00:12:23,525 --> 00:12:25,258
No. I've been too scared.
256
00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:26,392
I don't blame you.
257
00:12:26,394 --> 00:12:28,728
You have any idea
what it could be?
258
00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:33,066
Well, I think probably something
malevolent or demonic, maybe.
259
00:12:36,471 --> 00:12:38,872
There is a thing here.
260
00:12:38,874 --> 00:12:40,073
This thing is massive.
261
00:12:40,075 --> 00:12:42,275
It has, like, legs.
262
00:12:42,277 --> 00:12:45,345
It's moving, but it feels like
some kind of, like,
263
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a animal or something,
like a big elephant.
264
00:12:49,217 --> 00:12:53,019
It's like a massive
moving energy.
265
00:12:53,021 --> 00:12:56,422
It's protecting the ground.
266
00:12:56,424 --> 00:12:58,558
So is it doing anything
to the living?
267
00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,629
I feel like the living
would feel it.
268
00:13:02,631 --> 00:13:04,431
They would hear it.
269
00:13:07,835 --> 00:13:13,573
This is causing real fear,
and it's not good.
270
00:13:13,575 --> 00:13:17,309
There's definitely freaking out
about noises.
271
00:13:17,311 --> 00:13:20,914
They are hearing the thing
outside.
272
00:13:20,916 --> 00:13:23,383
Feels like, you know,
the house is shaking.
273
00:13:26,855 --> 00:13:29,588
Feel like there's illness
in here, too.
274
00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:31,725
This person in here,
275
00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:35,662
they have headaches, wicked.
276
00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:39,399
The person in here
277
00:13:39,401 --> 00:13:42,001
has a shadow-person issue.
278
00:13:42,003 --> 00:13:44,604
They are not having
direct interaction
279
00:13:44,606 --> 00:13:46,940
with a shadow person,
280
00:13:46,942 --> 00:13:50,810
but they see the shadow
person watching them.
281
00:13:56,818 --> 00:13:58,951
So, Grant, I was talking
to your wife earlier today.-
282
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She thinks that whatever
is here is pretty dangerous.
283
00:14:01,356 --> 00:14:03,423
I mean, you agree with
that at all? I do.
284
00:14:03,425 --> 00:14:05,224
Before I moved here,
I was pretty skeptical,
285
00:14:05,226 --> 00:14:07,360
but I'm convinced
there's something here,
286
00:14:07,362 --> 00:14:09,028
and it's paranormal.
287
00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:11,030
Like, I don't have any doubts.
288
00:14:11,032 --> 00:14:12,565
Any experiences you could
tell me about?
289
00:14:12,567 --> 00:14:16,302
Yeah, I heard a loud, aggressive
bang on the side of the house.
290
00:14:16,304 --> 00:14:18,505
Okay, can you describe
how bad it was?
291
00:14:18,507 --> 00:14:21,974
Yeah.
292
00:14:21,976 --> 00:14:23,443
- That loud?
- That loud.
293
00:14:23,445 --> 00:14:24,844
And I went outside.
294
00:14:24,846 --> 00:14:26,245
There was absolutely
nothing around.
295
00:14:26,247 --> 00:14:27,914
No indication of somebody
trying to break in?
296
00:14:27,916 --> 00:14:29,649
- No.
- Anything else?
297
00:14:29,651 --> 00:14:32,585
Whatever is here is affecting me
mentally, I believe.
298
00:14:32,587 --> 00:14:33,853
Okay, in what way?
299
00:14:33,855 --> 00:14:35,254
My attitude and my mood swings
300
00:14:35,256 --> 00:14:39,726
have been just off the charts
since I moved here.
301
00:14:39,728 --> 00:14:41,127
What are you experiencing?
302
00:14:41,129 --> 00:14:45,732
I just have a very short temper,
and I also cannot concentrate
303
00:14:45,734 --> 00:14:48,001
on doing things like
I used to before I came here.
304
00:14:48,003 --> 00:14:50,069
I lose track of thought,
scattered,
305
00:14:50,071 --> 00:14:51,871
and it just drives me nuts.
306
00:14:51,873 --> 00:14:53,739
Your wife, she was mentioning
there's some other stuff
307
00:14:53,741 --> 00:14:56,409
going on like bad headaches
and feeling drained.
308
00:14:56,411 --> 00:14:57,543
Are you having any of that?
309
00:14:57,545 --> 00:15:00,413
Yeah, headaches and feeling
very tired
310
00:15:00,415 --> 00:15:01,815
all the time when I'm home.
311
00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:04,150
What do you think
its intention is?
312
00:15:04,152 --> 00:15:07,953
I have a feeling it just wants
to make everybody unhappy
313
00:15:07,955 --> 00:15:09,355
and wants us to leave.
314
00:15:09,357 --> 00:15:11,290
I think it wants to destroy
my marriage.
315
00:15:15,296 --> 00:15:19,232
The energy is extremely intense
316
00:15:19,234 --> 00:15:21,901
where the house is and beyond,
317
00:15:21,903 --> 00:15:27,373
so I'm thinking that
there is kind of, like, a weird,
318
00:15:27,375 --> 00:15:30,443
like, vortex kind of thing
319
00:15:30,445 --> 00:15:34,847
going on over there.
320
00:15:34,849 --> 00:15:37,449
That might be causing
the headaches,
321
00:15:37,451 --> 00:15:41,720
probably the nausea,
the vertigo.
322
00:15:41,722 --> 00:15:45,724
Where's this vortex?
323
00:15:45,726 --> 00:15:46,859
That a way.
324
00:15:46,861 --> 00:15:48,194
Would being in this
kind of proximity
325
00:15:48,196 --> 00:15:50,396
to a vortex
have an affect on the living?
326
00:15:50,398 --> 00:15:53,199
Yes, it can do a lot of things.
327
00:15:53,201 --> 00:15:56,202
It can enhance abilities.
328
00:15:56,204 --> 00:16:01,074
It can make you have insomnia.
329
00:16:01,076 --> 00:16:05,011
The earth is hurting the woman.
330
00:16:05,013 --> 00:16:07,146
It might want her.
331
00:16:07,148 --> 00:16:09,148
If it gets her,
what would happen?
332
00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:10,283
She'd die.
333
00:16:28,669 --> 00:16:31,003
So Carole told me she thought
there was a suicide
334
00:16:31,005 --> 00:16:33,205
on her property
before she owned it.
335
00:16:33,207 --> 00:16:36,008
Now, clients get this stuff
wrong all the time,
336
00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:38,544
but I asked a retired cop
to look into it for me.
337
00:16:38,546 --> 00:16:41,613
He says Carole was right,
and the way the victim did it
338
00:16:41,615 --> 00:16:43,014
is what's really
gonna surprise me.
339
00:16:49,890 --> 00:16:52,291
Well, Otto, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
340
00:16:52,293 --> 00:16:55,093
So the woman that killed herself
on my client's property,
341
00:16:55,095 --> 00:16:56,295
I mean, what do we know
about her?
342
00:16:56,297 --> 00:16:59,765
Well, her name
was Angelina White.
343
00:16:59,767 --> 00:17:03,235
Like the client,
she loves horses and animals.
344
00:17:03,237 --> 00:17:05,370
In fact, she owned two horses.
345
00:17:05,372 --> 00:17:07,706
She stabled them
right near her apartment here.
346
00:17:07,708 --> 00:17:10,575
Okay, so she didn't have those
horses on my client's property.
347
00:17:10,577 --> 00:17:12,377
- Correct.
- All right.
348
00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:14,647
So take me through the suicide.
What happened?
349
00:17:14,649 --> 00:17:17,582
In the evening of
August 18, 2011,
350
00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:18,918
Angelina's best friend
351
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,986
heard some noises
outside her apartment,
352
00:17:20,988 --> 00:17:23,188
so she goes outside
to investigate the noises,
353
00:17:23,190 --> 00:17:25,323
and she finds
a plastic container.
354
00:17:25,325 --> 00:17:26,458
Inside the container,
355
00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:29,461
she finds numerous photographs
of Angelina.
356
00:17:29,463 --> 00:17:32,530
She also found a suicide note.
357
00:17:32,532 --> 00:17:35,667
She was concerned, so she called
the local authorities
358
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:37,069
to report her missing.
359
00:17:37,071 --> 00:17:38,270
Okay, so the cops
are involved now.
360
00:17:38,272 --> 00:17:39,671
- What happens next?
- Yeah.
361
00:17:39,673 --> 00:17:43,809
Law firm got a tip about
an abandoned truck at a farm.
362
00:17:43,811 --> 00:17:46,411
And I assume that's
my client's property. Yes.
363
00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:48,814
Okay, so the cops go
to the scene, I assume. Yes.
364
00:17:48,816 --> 00:17:53,752
Inside the truck, on the front
seat, is another suicide note.
365
00:17:53,754 --> 00:17:55,287
Okay, so now we got
two suicide notes.
366
00:17:55,289 --> 00:17:58,690
Yes.
367
00:17:58,692 --> 00:18:01,693
"To all my loved ones, please
forgive me for this final act.
368
00:18:01,695 --> 00:18:04,162
"There are a lot of things
I haven't told anyone about,
369
00:18:04,164 --> 00:18:06,365
"which are the reasons
for my action.
370
00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:08,700
Let me fade away like
I was never here."
371
00:18:08,702 --> 00:18:09,835
What a shame. All right.
372
00:18:09,837 --> 00:18:11,703
So we got a note.
We got the truck.
373
00:18:11,705 --> 00:18:12,971
What happens next?
374
00:18:12,973 --> 00:18:15,106
They searched the grounds,
and a short time later,
375
00:18:15,108 --> 00:18:16,442
at 8:41 a.m.,
376
00:18:16,444 --> 00:18:20,245
they found her body laying
on the ground next to a barn.
377
00:18:20,247 --> 00:18:21,713
All right.
So this is where she's found.
378
00:18:21,715 --> 00:18:23,982
- Yes.
- What was the method of suicide?
379
00:18:23,984 --> 00:18:27,853
She used her.45-caliber
semiautomatic pistol,
380
00:18:27,855 --> 00:18:29,388
put it in her mouth.
381
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:32,324
All right, so she shot herself
in the head. Yes.
382
00:18:32,326 --> 00:18:33,725
Not very often you see a woman
383
00:18:33,727 --> 00:18:35,194
committing suicide
in this manner.
384
00:18:35,196 --> 00:18:36,461
It's not typical.
385
00:18:36,463 --> 00:18:38,663
Usually, they don't alter
their face or body.
386
00:18:38,665 --> 00:18:40,799
All right, so she didn't keep
her horses there.
387
00:18:40,801 --> 00:18:42,067
Do we have any clue
388
00:18:42,069 --> 00:18:43,936
why she would commit suicide
at that location?
389
00:18:43,938 --> 00:18:45,403
No, I can only speculate.
390
00:18:45,405 --> 00:18:47,339
I think because she's
a horse enthusiast,
391
00:18:47,341 --> 00:18:49,941
she just drove
and found a place she loved.
392
00:18:53,414 --> 00:18:54,679
I'm seeing two women,
393
00:18:54,681 --> 00:18:58,083
but I think they're
the same dead person.
394
00:18:58,085 --> 00:19:01,020
Like, one is a carbon copy
395
00:19:01,022 --> 00:19:04,355
outline of the other woman,
396
00:19:04,357 --> 00:19:07,425
so I don't know
if this is her death,
397
00:19:07,427 --> 00:19:10,695
and she's disassociating
herself from it.
398
00:19:10,697 --> 00:19:14,700
She's an angry person.
399
00:19:14,702 --> 00:19:18,971
She's just sitting there,
glaring at me.
400
00:19:18,973 --> 00:19:24,443
I am getting like I got shot
in the back of the head.
401
00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:29,381
Whoever it is, is straight-up in
the moment of it piercing them.
402
00:19:29,383 --> 00:19:32,317
That sucks that
they're feeling that pain.
403
00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,385
It hurts..
404
00:19:34,387 --> 00:19:35,921
I would not
want to live here, man.
405
00:19:40,393 --> 00:19:42,994
So before I got to town,
I called a local historian
406
00:19:42,996 --> 00:19:44,863
and asked her to do
some digging for me.
407
00:19:44,865 --> 00:19:47,465
Now, she just called back and
said she's got something good.
408
00:19:47,467 --> 00:19:50,202
Turns out one of the early
owners of Carole's property
409
00:19:50,204 --> 00:19:52,137
was a religious nut,
410
00:19:52,139 --> 00:19:53,805
and this guy's obsession
with religion
411
00:19:53,807 --> 00:19:56,275
wound up driving him crazy
and destroying his family.
412
00:20:01,415 --> 00:20:03,282
Well, Patricia, I appreciate
you helping me out
413
00:20:03,284 --> 00:20:05,016
with this case.
414
00:20:05,018 --> 00:20:06,351
You mentioned on the phone
the guy
415
00:20:06,353 --> 00:20:09,020
that owned my client's property
was a bit of a nut bag.
416
00:20:09,022 --> 00:20:10,155
What do we know about this guy?
417
00:20:10,157 --> 00:20:11,556
His name was John Wren.
418
00:20:11,558 --> 00:20:14,092
He was an Irish immigrant,
and the Wren family
419
00:20:14,094 --> 00:20:17,696
bought your client's property
in 1850 to farm on,
420
00:20:17,698 --> 00:20:19,431
but they also
probably moved here
421
00:20:19,433 --> 00:20:21,633
because they were
very devout Catholics,
422
00:20:21,635 --> 00:20:24,770
and the whole area
was considered very sacred.
423
00:20:24,772 --> 00:20:25,971
So, now, you mentioned
on the phone
424
00:20:25,973 --> 00:20:28,640
that religion played a big part
in this guy going crazy.
425
00:20:28,642 --> 00:20:29,975
What was that all about?
426
00:20:29,977 --> 00:20:33,044
Well, unfortunately for John,
his wife died young,
427
00:20:33,046 --> 00:20:35,714
leaving him with four children
and the farm.
428
00:20:35,716 --> 00:20:36,848
How old was she when she died?
429
00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:39,384
She was only 43 years old.
430
00:20:39,386 --> 00:20:41,587
He seems to have turned
to religion.
431
00:20:41,589 --> 00:20:44,923
He becomes more fanatical
in his religious beliefs.
432
00:20:44,925 --> 00:20:47,859
It kind of spirals
out of control for him.
433
00:20:47,861 --> 00:20:49,527
He has to move in
with his sister
434
00:20:49,529 --> 00:20:52,597
because he can't take care
of himself or his farm,
435
00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:57,136
and we do have
a census record from 1880,
436
00:20:57,138 --> 00:20:59,671
and he's listed as insane.
437
00:20:59,673 --> 00:21:01,140
So by 1880, he's a widower.
438
00:21:01,142 --> 00:21:02,541
He's living with his sister.
439
00:21:02,543 --> 00:21:04,076
He's deemed insane,
but he's still living
440
00:21:04,078 --> 00:21:06,078
on my client's property.
- Yes.
441
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,881
Unfortunately, he became
more dangerous, more violent,
442
00:21:09,883 --> 00:21:13,752
and in 1883,
he gets ahold of a gun,
443
00:21:13,754 --> 00:21:16,288
and he tries
to shoot the family.
444
00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:18,557
Well, they, of course,
have to call the sheriff.
445
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,827
He deems that John needs
to go up to the asylum.
446
00:21:22,829 --> 00:21:25,230
When he gets to that asylum,
447
00:21:25,232 --> 00:21:29,367
the professionals diagnosed him
with religious mania.
448
00:21:29,369 --> 00:21:30,635
Now, what the hell is that?
449
00:21:30,637 --> 00:21:32,637
Well, it's --
We're not certain,
450
00:21:32,639 --> 00:21:36,241
but we believe that maybe
he became more fanatical.
451
00:21:36,243 --> 00:21:37,843
All right.
So he's in the asylum.
452
00:21:37,845 --> 00:21:39,111
What happens with him?
453
00:21:39,113 --> 00:21:42,847
He actually does get out
of the asylum in 1887.
454
00:21:42,849 --> 00:21:45,784
So he goes and lives
with his daughter, Sarah,
455
00:21:45,786 --> 00:21:48,920
and he dies in 1908.
456
00:21:48,922 --> 00:21:51,523
We have the death
certificate here.
457
00:21:51,525 --> 00:21:55,527
That's tragic.
458
00:21:55,529 --> 00:21:58,796
There's somebody who
comes in here, some dead guy.
459
00:21:58,798 --> 00:22:02,000
Not thinking he really
wants me here.
460
00:22:02,002 --> 00:22:04,336
Just see him, like,
running back and forth,
461
00:22:04,338 --> 00:22:08,807
hitting on the walls,
462
00:22:08,809 --> 00:22:11,677
running and hitting
and running and hitting.
463
00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:15,947
He's extremely scattered,
just kind of losing it.
464
00:22:15,949 --> 00:22:19,151
He's just flipping out.
465
00:22:19,153 --> 00:22:22,220
He just seems, like,
mentally ill.
466
00:22:22,222 --> 00:22:23,955
He doesn't belong here.
467
00:22:23,957 --> 00:22:26,424
I don't know why
he's still here or anything.
468
00:22:26,426 --> 00:22:28,427
I don't know.
469
00:22:28,429 --> 00:22:29,895
He seems pissed off.
470
00:22:29,897 --> 00:22:34,633
Just feels like
he's just off his rocker.
471
00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:37,035
I feel like
he owned this place.
472
00:22:37,037 --> 00:22:38,503
He's just shady.
473
00:22:38,505 --> 00:22:40,838
I don't trust him for ****.
474
00:22:46,847 --> 00:22:48,847
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476
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480
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:13,603
So far, I've got
a family being terrorized by
481
00:23:13,605 --> 00:23:17,341
shadow figures and physical
attacks on a property
482
00:23:17,343 --> 00:23:22,479
where one man went insane
and a woman committed suicide.
483
00:23:22,481 --> 00:23:25,615
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
484
00:23:25,617 --> 00:23:27,017
Searching through old records,
485
00:23:27,019 --> 00:23:31,287
I find a place next to Carole's
property called Holy Hill.
486
00:23:31,289 --> 00:23:33,357
Turns out several people
who went there looking
487
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,894
for a miracle wound up dying
under mysterious circumstances.
488
00:23:39,831 --> 00:23:41,031
I'm heading over to meet
an author
489
00:23:41,033 --> 00:23:43,233
who says people have been
traveling to Holy Hill
490
00:23:43,235 --> 00:23:46,036
for more than 150 years,
491
00:23:46,038 --> 00:23:49,039
and some of those people
never made it out alive.
492
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:57,181
Linda, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
493
00:23:57,183 --> 00:23:58,915
Now, you mentioned
on the phone this hill
494
00:23:58,917 --> 00:24:00,651
right by my client's
property.
495
00:24:00,653 --> 00:24:01,719
What can you tell me about it?
496
00:24:01,721 --> 00:24:03,921
Your client's property
is located
497
00:24:03,923 --> 00:24:08,191
about 2,000 feet
from Holy Hill.
498
00:24:08,193 --> 00:24:10,393
There's been a big
Roman Catholic basilica
499
00:24:10,395 --> 00:24:12,930
up there since the 1930s.
500
00:24:12,932 --> 00:24:14,798
What exactly is a basilica?
501
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,869
A basilica is something that has
been given special privileges
502
00:24:19,871 --> 00:24:21,805
by the Vatican.
503
00:24:21,807 --> 00:24:24,608
Okay, so this is a big deal
for the Catholic religion. Correct.
504
00:24:24,610 --> 00:24:27,744
And even before they arrived,
it was considered holy
505
00:24:27,746 --> 00:24:30,147
by the indigenous people
who lived there.
506
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:32,216
There were at least
four different tribes
507
00:24:32,218 --> 00:24:33,550
when the settlers arrived,
508
00:24:33,552 --> 00:24:37,688
and they all considered it
to be a special holy place.
509
00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:39,823
Why is it so important?
Why is it called Holy Hill?
510
00:24:39,825 --> 00:24:40,958
According to the story,
511
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,427
there was a mysterious hermit
who was disabled
512
00:24:44,429 --> 00:24:47,364
and somehow managed to get up
to the top of this hill.
513
00:24:47,366 --> 00:24:50,434
He stayed there for several
years, and during that time,
514
00:24:50,436 --> 00:24:52,836
he was miraculously healed
of his illness
515
00:24:52,838 --> 00:24:54,638
and was able to walk again.
516
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,839
People took notice.
517
00:24:55,841 --> 00:24:58,308
They all wanted their own
piece of the healing.
518
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:59,843
Okay, so let me
get this straight,
519
00:24:59,845 --> 00:25:03,947
people were coming here
just because of this story. Yes.
520
00:25:03,949 --> 00:25:05,983
When you have healing miracles
521
00:25:05,985 --> 00:25:07,917
going on any place,
people will come.
522
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:09,719
They want to be part of that.
523
00:25:09,721 --> 00:25:11,988
So, now, Linda, on the phone,
you mentioned that people
524
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:13,457
that made
this pilgrimage there,
525
00:25:13,459 --> 00:25:15,391
some of them didn't
make it out alive, right?
526
00:25:15,393 --> 00:25:17,393
- So what'd you mean by that?
- Yes.
527
00:25:17,395 --> 00:25:19,996
August 6th of 1941,
528
00:25:19,998 --> 00:25:22,933
there was a tourist bus,
529
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:24,801
and the emergency brake
gave out.
530
00:25:24,803 --> 00:25:27,404
It hurdled backwards
down the hill
531
00:25:27,406 --> 00:25:30,674
and unfortunately,
hit a lady from Milwaukee
532
00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:31,941
who was standing down below
533
00:25:31,943 --> 00:25:34,277
and could not get out
of the way in time.
534
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,813
She was crushed to death
by the wheels of the bus.
535
00:25:36,815 --> 00:25:39,082
- Any other examples of that?
- Yes.
536
00:25:39,084 --> 00:25:43,487
In June 1932, a young man
was digging a trench
537
00:25:43,489 --> 00:25:45,022
around the building.
538
00:25:45,024 --> 00:25:47,958
The walls of the trench
caved in on him,
539
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,895
and he was buried alive
just in an instant.
540
00:25:51,897 --> 00:25:53,563
What a shame.
541
00:25:53,565 --> 00:25:54,698
Okay, so this guy
was suffocated.
542
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:56,633
That's the official
cause of death.
543
00:25:56,635 --> 00:25:57,967
It's odd that some place
they call
544
00:25:57,969 --> 00:26:02,305
Holy Hill has such tragedy
attached to it.
545
00:26:02,307 --> 00:26:07,110
I'm seeing that the earth
here is bad.
546
00:26:07,112 --> 00:26:08,979
Usually it's really healing.
547
00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:11,982
Usually the earth is good,
548
00:26:11,984 --> 00:26:15,252
but it's not here.
549
00:26:15,254 --> 00:26:17,254
It's like quicksand.
550
00:26:17,256 --> 00:26:19,790
Saw a bunch of dead people
551
00:26:19,792 --> 00:26:23,660
in a hole.
552
00:26:23,662 --> 00:26:27,531
Why would a place, like,
want to eat you?
553
00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:29,399
Is there any kind of
sacrifice ****?
554
00:26:29,401 --> 00:26:32,603
Like, did the land need
some of that?
555
00:26:32,605 --> 00:26:34,270
You know, was this
sacred ground first,
556
00:26:34,272 --> 00:26:37,607
and, like, are these
some kind of sacrifice?
557
00:26:37,609 --> 00:26:41,611
Could have been, like,
some kind of religious people.
558
00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:46,015
That big elephant thing,
it's the earth's protector.
559
00:26:46,017 --> 00:26:49,820
It might have been called upon
to do this duty
560
00:26:49,822 --> 00:26:51,421
because it's sacred ground.
561
00:26:59,497 --> 00:27:03,567
I saw several disturbing things
on my walk, but two stood out,
562
00:27:03,569 --> 00:27:06,636
first, the shadow person
attacking a living woman.
563
00:27:06,638 --> 00:27:11,108
Really black, no face,
long neck,
564
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:14,578
and it is leaning over her
and like this,
565
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:18,982
so, like, it's been, like,
absorbing her breath.
566
00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:22,452
And her hair, lighter
at the ends, darker at the top. Okay.
567
00:27:22,454 --> 00:27:24,654
Next, I describe
the bizarre scene
568
00:27:24,656 --> 00:27:28,792
I saw where the earth was trying
to absorb a living woman.
569
00:27:28,794 --> 00:27:31,527
She was in the ground,
570
00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:34,264
like, up to her thighs.
571
00:27:34,266 --> 00:27:37,534
It's literally, like,
taking her in,
572
00:27:37,536 --> 00:27:40,537
and there's all of these ivy
573
00:27:40,539 --> 00:27:44,541
wrapping around her fingers
574
00:27:44,543 --> 00:27:49,879
and up to her arms
to about here.
575
00:27:49,881 --> 00:27:52,148
Amy, is this what you saw?
576
00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:53,750
Yes. That's what I saw.
577
00:28:19,544 --> 00:28:22,478
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
578
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,714
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
579
00:28:24,716 --> 00:28:27,951
and our clients
for the first time.
580
00:28:27,953 --> 00:28:31,487
Amy, I'd like you to meet
Carole and her husband, Grant.
581
00:28:31,489 --> 00:28:33,623
They live here with their
daughter, Ashley,
582
00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:37,827
who is 15.
583
00:28:37,829 --> 00:28:39,429
Now, it was a lifelong dream
of Carole's
584
00:28:39,431 --> 00:28:41,965
to own a horse farm of her own,
585
00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:44,100
but ever since they moved here
four years ago,
586
00:28:44,102 --> 00:28:46,969
the activity here has been
aggressive and dangerous,
587
00:28:46,971 --> 00:28:49,706
and frankly, these two feel
that if we can't help them out,
588
00:28:49,708 --> 00:28:51,774
something here
is gonna kill them.
589
00:28:51,776 --> 00:28:54,577
So now that Amy is introduced
to you guys,
590
00:28:54,579 --> 00:28:56,112
she'll tell us about her walk.
591
00:28:58,383 --> 00:29:00,850
There seems to be
592
00:29:00,852 --> 00:29:05,588
a lot of PK here.
593
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:10,126
I got that there is
a living agent here
594
00:29:10,128 --> 00:29:12,928
who has that type of ability.
595
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:16,332
I believe it to be
a living woman.
596
00:29:16,334 --> 00:29:19,535
I saw this living woman
597
00:29:19,537 --> 00:29:24,139
kind of
releasing pent-up stress
598
00:29:24,141 --> 00:29:26,743
and things like that.
599
00:29:26,745 --> 00:29:31,480
Things might happen
for her down here --
600
00:29:31,482 --> 00:29:36,018
objects moving, doors shaking,
601
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:38,154
electronics malfunctioning,
602
00:29:38,156 --> 00:29:43,426
light bulbs going out,
TV stuff.
603
00:29:43,428 --> 00:29:45,361
Tell her about the TV
turning on by itself.
604
00:29:45,363 --> 00:29:47,163
Yeah, my daughter and I
were talking on the couch,
605
00:29:47,165 --> 00:29:49,766
and the TV turned on,
and it turned on really loud,
606
00:29:49,768 --> 00:29:53,436
like, way louder than we ever
would just have it to watch TV.
607
00:29:53,438 --> 00:29:54,970
Tell her what happened
when the picture
608
00:29:54,972 --> 00:29:56,906
went flying off the piano.
609
00:29:56,908 --> 00:30:00,243
Well, I was sitting in
the chair, and all of a sudden,
610
00:30:00,245 --> 00:30:04,914
I watched one of my pictures
just go flying up and off,
611
00:30:04,916 --> 00:30:07,784
went quite a distance
and hit the floor and broke.
612
00:30:07,786 --> 00:30:09,252
Wow.
613
00:30:09,254 --> 00:30:12,255
Carole, you're the only living
adult woman in this home.
614
00:30:12,257 --> 00:30:13,389
Yes.
615
00:30:13,391 --> 00:30:14,990
So obviously you're talking
about her.
616
00:30:14,992 --> 00:30:17,660
Yes,
617
00:30:17,662 --> 00:30:21,064
That sounds like typical
PK experiences
618
00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:24,333
or poltergeist phenomenon,
yes.
619
00:30:24,335 --> 00:30:26,669
I'm really nervous.
I'm worried for my family.
620
00:30:26,671 --> 00:30:30,607
If I'm doing this,
it's really frightening.
621
00:30:30,609 --> 00:30:33,009
I'm surprised. I mean...
622
00:30:33,011 --> 00:30:34,610
What?
You, like, afraid of me now?
623
00:30:34,612 --> 00:30:36,012
No, not at all.
624
00:30:36,014 --> 00:30:37,813
I'm kind of afraid of me now.
625
00:30:37,815 --> 00:30:39,682
No, no, no.
626
00:30:42,354 --> 00:30:48,424
The other thing that I got
was outside, in the back,
627
00:30:48,426 --> 00:30:50,894
you have a vortex.
628
00:30:50,896 --> 00:30:54,964
It can cause a number
of physical and mental issues,
629
00:30:54,966 --> 00:30:57,233
insomnia, vertigo, nausea,
630
00:30:57,235 --> 00:31:00,036
and especially headaches.
631
00:31:00,038 --> 00:31:04,440
Mental confusion and dizziness
can be other effects.
632
00:31:04,442 --> 00:31:06,809
Now, you hit on a lot
of experiences Carole
633
00:31:06,811 --> 00:31:09,178
and her family are having --
the headaches.
634
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:11,447
Yeah, definitely,
we all suffer the headaches.
635
00:31:11,449 --> 00:31:14,317
Now, you don't sleep, right?
636
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,119
Yeah, I don't sleep well
at all,
637
00:31:16,121 --> 00:31:19,522
I'm always tired here,
always tired.
638
00:31:19,524 --> 00:31:22,258
- You had mentioned confusion.
- Yeah.
639
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:25,261
It's the same as what we were
talking about, right,
640
00:31:25,263 --> 00:31:26,329
losing your concentration?
641
00:31:26,331 --> 00:31:27,330
Yeah, I'm losing concentration.
642
00:31:27,332 --> 00:31:28,398
I go work on something,
643
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,133
and I'm just, like,
floating about,
644
00:31:30,135 --> 00:31:32,001
and like,
"I can't concentrate on this."
645
00:31:32,003 --> 00:31:33,269
It's awful.
646
00:31:35,807 --> 00:31:38,341
The next thing that
I encountered outside
647
00:31:38,343 --> 00:31:41,411
was a very large presence,
648
00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:44,646
and it reminded me
initially of an elephant,
649
00:31:44,648 --> 00:31:48,484
and it does go
all over the property,
650
00:31:48,486 --> 00:31:49,752
so there's a few ways
651
00:31:49,754 --> 00:31:54,357
that you could have
experiences with this thing.
652
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,359
You will feel its presence
653
00:31:56,361 --> 00:32:00,763
and become intensely fearful,
654
00:32:00,765 --> 00:32:03,165
and you will feel
threatened like you
655
00:32:03,167 --> 00:32:06,169
are going to be attacked.
656
00:32:06,171 --> 00:32:07,904
You have that feeling of being
anxious and everything.
657
00:32:07,906 --> 00:32:10,440
Yes, like, especially
in our bedroom,
658
00:32:10,442 --> 00:32:12,641
like something wants
to hurt me or attack me,
659
00:32:12,643 --> 00:32:14,777
and it just really
scares me to the point
660
00:32:14,779 --> 00:32:16,045
where I have
to leave the room.
661
00:32:16,047 --> 00:32:18,247
I just feel like it
doesn't want us here.
662
00:32:18,249 --> 00:32:20,249
Like, it's trying to
scare us away.
663
00:32:20,251 --> 00:32:24,987
I was hearing the living hearing
it kind of brushing up
664
00:32:24,989 --> 00:32:27,723
against the house on occasion.
665
00:32:27,725 --> 00:32:30,659
When it does this,
the walls will shake.
666
00:32:30,661 --> 00:32:35,664
Its main goal is that it wants
you guys away from here.
667
00:32:39,136 --> 00:32:42,805
Well, you described the bang you
heard on the house that just --
668
00:32:42,807 --> 00:32:46,743
Yeah, we were getting ready for
bed, was kind of settling in.
669
00:32:46,745 --> 00:32:49,879
All of a sudden,
I hear this loud bang
670
00:32:49,881 --> 00:32:53,349
like somebody just hit the house
as hard as they could.
671
00:32:54,819 --> 00:32:56,685
I'm curious as to what the hell
672
00:32:56,687 --> 00:32:59,221
this thing is doing here,
though. It is some type of protector,
673
00:32:59,223 --> 00:33:02,425
and its mission
is to protect this land.
674
00:33:02,427 --> 00:33:05,962
I got that this land is sacred,
but what's so strange is,
675
00:33:05,964 --> 00:33:10,899
usually land,
even in sacred areas,
676
00:33:10,901 --> 00:33:15,371
doesn't particularly interact
with the living.
677
00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:18,040
This is really unusual
678
00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:21,844
because the land
wants to absorb you.
679
00:33:21,846 --> 00:33:26,783
It's removing
your life source slowly.
680
00:33:26,785 --> 00:33:29,785
It's trying to kill you.
681
00:33:34,058 --> 00:33:35,324
I kind of felt that way,
you know?
682
00:33:35,326 --> 00:33:38,060
I kind of felt like it wanted
to hurt me.
683
00:33:38,062 --> 00:33:40,530
It's crazy, you know?
It's really frightening.
684
00:33:40,532 --> 00:33:42,465
It's probably a good time
685
00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,600
to talk
about the history of this land.
686
00:33:44,602 --> 00:33:47,069
Now, the property sits below
an area
687
00:33:47,071 --> 00:33:50,139
known as Holy Hill, right?
688
00:33:50,141 --> 00:33:51,340
Yeah.
689
00:33:51,342 --> 00:33:53,208
The Catholics thought
this place was so sacred,
690
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:56,212
they built a massive basilica
up there.
691
00:33:56,214 --> 00:33:58,414
Now, you guys see it
from your driveway every day.
692
00:33:58,416 --> 00:33:59,615
I just saw it
driving here tonight.
693
00:33:59,617 --> 00:34:00,817
Yeah.
694
00:34:00,819 --> 00:34:02,418
A basilica is like a church
or a cathedral,
695
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:04,753
but it gets
special privileges
696
00:34:04,755 --> 00:34:09,091
given to it by the Vatican
because the site is so holy.
697
00:34:09,093 --> 00:34:10,493
I got a photo of it.
698
00:34:10,495 --> 00:34:13,029
This was what it looks like
during the day.
699
00:34:13,031 --> 00:34:15,965
In the 1850s, a story came out
about a disabled hermit
700
00:34:15,967 --> 00:34:19,235
who miraculously regained
the use of his legs
701
00:34:19,237 --> 00:34:20,770
while he was living up there.
702
00:34:20,772 --> 00:34:22,104
After that, Catholics flocked
703
00:34:22,106 --> 00:34:24,973
from all over the place
by the thousands.
704
00:34:24,975 --> 00:34:26,575
Lot of people actually claimed
they found it,
705
00:34:26,577 --> 00:34:28,043
that they were healed.
706
00:34:28,045 --> 00:34:30,046
But over the years,
several others who visited
707
00:34:30,048 --> 00:34:33,116
Holy Hill died
under strange circumstances.
708
00:34:33,118 --> 00:34:34,383
Now, could any of that tie
709
00:34:34,385 --> 00:34:35,585
into the sacred land
you're talking about?
710
00:34:35,587 --> 00:34:37,720
Well, yeah, I would assume so.
711
00:34:37,722 --> 00:34:39,054
Funny thing is, I can't recall,
712
00:34:39,056 --> 00:34:41,523
in all the investigations
we've done,
713
00:34:41,525 --> 00:34:43,326
you ever talking about
the land itself
714
00:34:43,328 --> 00:34:44,593
wanting to kill somebody.
715
00:34:44,595 --> 00:34:46,395
It loves your energy,
716
00:34:46,397 --> 00:34:50,800
and it wants you
to become part of that.
717
00:34:50,802 --> 00:34:53,936
I did have a sketch done of it,
of what I saw.
718
00:35:05,650 --> 00:35:10,185
That's a pretty good depiction
of what she's talking about.
719
00:35:10,187 --> 00:35:12,120
That's disturbing.
720
00:35:15,259 --> 00:35:16,725
Very disturbing.
721
00:35:24,668 --> 00:35:27,202
It's a lot.
722
00:35:27,204 --> 00:35:31,273
Thank you, but I never imagined
in a million years
723
00:35:31,275 --> 00:35:33,876
it would be
anything like this.
724
00:35:33,878 --> 00:35:35,811
This place overwhelms me
all the time.
725
00:35:35,813 --> 00:35:39,147
Sometimes, I just feel like
I have to escape from it.
726
00:35:39,149 --> 00:35:40,415
That's the hardest part,
is, I --
727
00:35:40,417 --> 00:35:42,551
This was supposed
to be my dream.
728
00:35:42,553 --> 00:35:46,288
It's just really fallen apart.
729
00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:47,890
It's pretty disturbing.
730
00:35:47,892 --> 00:35:52,494
The earth wants her.
731
00:35:52,496 --> 00:35:53,628
New one on me, so...
732
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:54,897
I was shocked.
733
00:35:59,236 --> 00:36:01,636
You have more to your walk?
734
00:36:01,638 --> 00:36:03,238
Yes, I do.
735
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,573
I'm sorry.
736
00:36:04,575 --> 00:36:08,910
You also have a real
shadow person here.
737
00:36:08,912 --> 00:36:10,445
****.
738
00:36:10,447 --> 00:36:15,984
Yeah, like,
a real shadow person.
739
00:36:15,986 --> 00:36:19,388
More than likely, you would,
on occasion, see it,
740
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:22,191
and this was in that bedroom.
741
00:36:22,193 --> 00:36:25,794
Which is Carole
and Grant's master bedroom.
742
00:36:25,796 --> 00:36:27,262
Yes.
743
00:36:27,264 --> 00:36:30,666
Dark, black, and solid,
and, of course, when I saw it,
744
00:36:30,668 --> 00:36:32,668
it made me sick.
745
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:34,603
Being affected by
the shadow person
746
00:36:34,605 --> 00:36:38,273
would be experiencing things
like feeling smothered
747
00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:42,010
or shortness of breath,
having breathing issues.
748
00:36:42,012 --> 00:36:44,880
It's just leeching that breath,
749
00:36:44,882 --> 00:36:46,815
and what I've seen
when shadow people do that
750
00:36:46,817 --> 00:36:50,219
is, eventually,
it kills the person.
751
00:36:50,221 --> 00:36:53,288
Sometimes, when I'm in bed,
I'll wake up,
752
00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:54,823
and I'll feel, like, this --
753
00:36:54,825 --> 00:36:57,292
It's very dark, like,
super dark in the room, like,
754
00:36:57,294 --> 00:36:58,894
and it feels like I can't move.
755
00:36:58,896 --> 00:37:01,497
I can't get up,
and I can't breathe.
756
00:37:01,499 --> 00:37:05,300
It's just terrifying
when it happens.-
757
00:37:05,302 --> 00:37:07,970
Now, Ashley, who sleeps in
the room right next to theirs,
758
00:37:07,972 --> 00:37:10,572
sees these shadow figures
but in the hallway.
759
00:37:10,574 --> 00:37:13,175
Yes, I know. Yeah.
760
00:37:13,177 --> 00:37:15,911
Like, in the doorway area
of her bedroom,
761
00:37:15,913 --> 00:37:19,714
so she's seeing it looking
out in her doorway, yeah.
762
00:37:19,716 --> 00:37:23,585
I did have a sketch done of
what I saw it doing to you.
763
00:37:34,398 --> 00:37:37,265
You're not gonna want
to see this,
764
00:37:37,267 --> 00:37:39,801
but I have to show you.
765
00:37:39,803 --> 00:37:42,738
- Jeez.
- My god.
766
00:37:54,818 --> 00:37:57,619
That's horrible.
767
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:03,492
You okay?
768
00:38:03,494 --> 00:38:05,894
No, not really.
769
00:38:05,896 --> 00:38:09,164
I'm actually pissed off
at this thing
770
00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:12,968
trying to attack my wife,
trying to kill her.
771
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:15,771
It's horrible.
772
00:38:15,773 --> 00:38:18,306
I don't even want to be here.
773
00:38:18,308 --> 00:38:21,643
This **** is just
straight malicious.
774
00:38:21,645 --> 00:38:23,979
He's much more focused
on the endgame,
775
00:38:23,981 --> 00:38:25,914
which is to kill you,
776
00:38:25,916 --> 00:38:30,785
and the way that he watches
your daughter makes me nervous.
777
00:38:30,787 --> 00:38:32,253
- My daughter...
- I'm getting -- both of them.
778
00:38:32,255 --> 00:38:34,456
This thing did something
to my daughter.
779
00:38:34,458 --> 00:38:39,194
She doesn't deserve it.
780
00:38:39,196 --> 00:38:42,931
This place has made her
so unhappy.
781
00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:44,866
I feel responsible for that.
782
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,093
So, Carole, I know how important
this place is to you,
783
00:39:12,095 --> 00:39:14,629
but both of you made it clear
that keeping your family safe
784
00:39:14,631 --> 00:39:16,163
is the number one priority.
785
00:39:16,165 --> 00:39:17,765
So now for the big question,
is there any way
786
00:39:17,767 --> 00:39:19,701
for you to do that here?
787
00:39:19,703 --> 00:39:25,373
For that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
788
00:39:25,375 --> 00:39:28,710
I think you know
what I'm gonna say.
789
00:39:28,712 --> 00:39:31,712
You're dealing with sacred land,
spiritual land,
790
00:39:31,714 --> 00:39:35,449
that wants you to become
a part of it.
791
00:39:35,451 --> 00:39:38,519
You can't stop it.
You can't change it.
792
00:39:38,521 --> 00:39:43,925
You can't do anything
about it.
793
00:39:43,927 --> 00:39:45,860
And the shadow person,
794
00:39:45,862 --> 00:39:50,064
it's been here
for who knows how long,
795
00:39:50,066 --> 00:39:52,867
but there's nothing you can do
about shadow people
796
00:39:52,869 --> 00:39:57,138
and especially when it has
its victim, its mark.
797
00:39:57,140 --> 00:40:01,542
We don't want you to die.
798
00:40:01,544 --> 00:40:03,277
You have to move.
799
00:40:03,279 --> 00:40:06,948
You have to move.
800
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:08,215
I had a feeling.
801
00:40:08,217 --> 00:40:11,285
I knew something was really
wrong here.
802
00:40:11,287 --> 00:40:15,490
I didn't feel right here.
I never felt happy here.
803
00:40:15,492 --> 00:40:17,625
What happens if they decide
to stay here?
804
00:40:17,627 --> 00:40:19,894
Well, they would kill you,
and what I'm thinking is,
805
00:40:19,896 --> 00:40:21,095
then start on your daughter.
806
00:40:25,502 --> 00:40:27,301
This is not a choice.
807
00:40:27,303 --> 00:40:29,637
You just got to leave.
808
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,238
You gonna take Amy's advice?
809
00:40:35,311 --> 00:40:37,645
- Yeah.
- I'm ready to go.
810
00:40:37,647 --> 00:40:42,250
I'm ready to find a safe place
for my family.
811
00:40:42,252 --> 00:40:44,519
I don't want to live
like this anymore.
812
00:40:44,521 --> 00:40:46,387
It'd be better off
if we leave.
813
00:40:46,389 --> 00:40:48,389
Could the shadow person
follow her,
814
00:40:48,391 --> 00:40:50,190
or they kind of stable
where they are?
815
00:40:50,192 --> 00:40:53,594
No. It'll stay here.
816
00:40:53,596 --> 00:40:56,998
Now, once you leave,
817
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,200
you may still have
random experiences
818
00:41:00,202 --> 00:41:05,740
with your abilities,
but more than likely, over time,
819
00:41:05,742 --> 00:41:08,409
you'll go back into, like,
820
00:41:08,411 --> 00:41:12,212
a hibernation state
with that.
821
00:41:12,214 --> 00:41:17,485
You got bad news, but at least
now you could be safe,
822
00:41:17,487 --> 00:41:21,889
and you maybe could pursue
your dream in another location.
823
00:41:21,891 --> 00:41:23,290
We've been so miserable.
824
00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,427
I mean, we've never been
so miserable in our lives.
825
00:41:26,429 --> 00:41:28,629
Feel like it's taken
a huge toll on relationships,
826
00:41:28,631 --> 00:41:32,232
with our relationship,
relationships with our friends.
827
00:41:32,234 --> 00:41:35,436
Didn't feel right here.
I never felt happy here.
828
00:41:35,438 --> 00:41:37,105
Maybe it'll make your marriage
a little stronger.
829
00:41:37,107 --> 00:41:38,505
I hope so.
830
00:41:38,507 --> 00:41:40,174
I'm happy that I have answers.
831
00:41:40,176 --> 00:41:42,110
I really appreciate
all the hard work
832
00:41:42,112 --> 00:41:45,379
that you, everyone, has done
to help us out -- Absolutely.
833
00:41:45,381 --> 00:41:46,780
...and I really
appreciate it a lot.
834
00:41:46,782 --> 00:41:48,515
Thanks.
835
00:41:50,787 --> 00:41:53,387
Carole and her family
have suffered a lot
836
00:41:53,389 --> 00:41:54,989
in their time here,
837
00:41:54,991 --> 00:41:58,059
but I believe if they move
as far away as possible,
838
00:41:58,061 --> 00:42:01,929
they can find peace and get
a fresh start somewhere new.
839
00:42:06,469 --> 00:42:07,802
Hello.
840
00:42:07,804 --> 00:42:09,870
We have decided to take
Amy and Steve's advice,
841
00:42:09,872 --> 00:42:11,606
and we did put our house
on the market.
842
00:42:11,608 --> 00:42:15,343
The activity continues --
the banging, the knocking,
843
00:42:15,345 --> 00:42:16,844
the sleepless nights.
844
00:42:16,846 --> 00:42:19,013
It's just been hell
living here.
845
00:42:19,015 --> 00:42:21,015
We just want to thank
Amy and Steve
846
00:42:21,017 --> 00:42:22,550
and everyone involved
with "Dead Files"
847
00:42:22,552 --> 00:42:25,953
for coming out and helping us
and giving us answers
848
00:42:25,955 --> 00:42:27,555
so that we can move on
and have our fresh start.
849
00:42:27,557 --> 00:42:28,856
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
850
00:42:28,906 --> 00:42:33,456
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