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There's real darkness in here.
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There's gotta be a poltergeist.
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Whatever's in this house
is targeting my children.
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I have seen shadowy figures.
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It can touch the living people
and they can see it.
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In every one of the dreams
I'm killing the people
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with the same knife.
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He can make them
angry enough to kill.
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My gut is like: get out.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people.
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Okay, she didn't
like it in there.
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And they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now does he die right
there on the spot?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I'm as stunned as you guys are.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay.
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I don't want anything to
happen to my daughter.
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Or time to get out.
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His goal is to kill you guys.
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I'm out here in
Winchester, Kentucky,
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it's about 30 minutes
east of Lexington,
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I got a call from
a mom named Heather.
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Now she sounded real bad,
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says something in her
house is attacking her kids
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and changing her
husband's personality.
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She says if Amy and I
can't fix the problem,
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she's gonna wind up
divorced or dead.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the area
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of any leading information.
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This home has a lot of photos,
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dream catchers,
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and religious icons,
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so it's important I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm done the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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This is very strange:
the whole earth shook.
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And then I'm just seeing bodies.
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People are buried here.
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It's a very hard life, if
you live at this location.
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So, Heather, when we
talked on the phone
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you sounded real emotional,
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like you're going
through hell here.
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Yes.
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We've had a lot of activity
go on in the house.
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Whatever's in this house
is targeting my children
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but I want it, I want it gone.
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Do you know anything about
the house or the property?
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Yes, the previous owners
actually died in the house.
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Okay, I'll look into that.
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Who lives in the house with you?
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This is a photo of our children.
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That is my youngest daughter
Annalysa, she's 10 years old,
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my husband Jonathan, myself,
my oldest daughter Ayliana,
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she is 11, my son
Jonathan, he's three,
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and my mother in law, Jennifer.
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Okay, so Heather do me a favor
and give me your list
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of what you guys are
going through here.
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We're hearing voices,
we hear footsteps.
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We have objects
moving on it's own.
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We see apparitions,
we have mood changes
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and we have physical attacks.
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On the phone you
mentioned the activity
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is affecting your marriage.
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Yes.
In what way?
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He's been very moody.
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The slightest thing
will, he'll blow up
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and start screaming at everyone.
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I mean, it's gotten to the point
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where I've wanted to
take the kids and leave.
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Does he have a drinking problem?
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No, he doesn't drink,
he doesn't do drugs.
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What makes you think that's
just not something going on
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with him, and has something
to do with the paranormal?
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When we leave the house,
we have no issues.
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We're as happy as can be.
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But the second we
walk into this house,
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it's like something
takes over him,
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and he's a completely
different person.
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So, what are you hoping
we can do for you?
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I want my kids to be
in a safe environment,
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and I want my marriage back.
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We've had a dream
relationship until now.
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What if Amy tells you,
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"Listen, you gotta get
the hell out of here,
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this place is out of control.
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You're not gonna survive."
What would you do then.
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Burn this house to the ground.
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I'll leave and they can
have this damn property,
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if that's what it is.
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There's an older male,
late 60s, early 70s.
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He is the main person,
dead-wise, who's here.
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He owned this property.
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Maybe even in the 2000s.
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He's angry, a very angry person.
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Do you know if the living
have any experiences with him?
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Yeah, I think
the living would hear him,
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like, yelling at them,
stomps around back there a lot.
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And so hard that he makes
the furniture shake.
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Do you know
what he wants?
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I know with some
of the people here,
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he doesn't agree with their
religion, or philosophy.
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He's trying to save them.
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Okay, Heather, so let's
talk about your experiences.
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I hear voices all
throughout the house.
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Well, are you sure
it wasn't a radio,
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a television you guys left on?
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Checked for TVs,
I've checked for radios,
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and nothing is ever on.
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Okay, anything else happen?
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We were doing the dishes,
and a coffee mug flew
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and about hit my daughter
and I on the head.
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These cups look
pretty secure on here.
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I mean, this is not gonna
just come flying off.
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Could it have bounced
and went flying across,
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or did it just seem
like it shot across?
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It shot across.
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Your husband wasn't
raging that day,
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or anything like that?
Nope.
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That could have been
really, really dangerous.
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All right, anything else?
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I've seen shadows back here.
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I see walking
to the point where
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I close my bedroom
door every night,
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so I don't have to see it.
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What did he look like to you?
He's pretty tall.
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It's about the size
of a grown man.
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But I can't make out
a face or anything.
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I just see black.
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I mean, is it possible
it could be somebody
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actually walking back there.
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Whenever I check, there's
nothing ever out there.
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So have you given any
thought as to what
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may be causing
the activity here?
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I visited the Queen Mary,
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and my husband's
actually been to Waverly Hills.
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So, supposedly these are two
pretty haunted locations.
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Yes.
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Well, you know,
that's good to know.
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We'll tell Amy and see
what she thinks.
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The angry old man,
he likes this area.
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He is trying to talk
to the people here.
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Mostly by yelling,
stomping around.
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So it makes, you
know, things move.
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He wants to blind them
because they don't see things
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the right way, that
they're not living
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the right kind of life.
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Basically, like if you take
that sense of sight away,
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then maybe they'll
look inside themselves.
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He's like: I'm just
trying to save people.
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What the hell?
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What is it?
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Somebody getting strangled.
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Is the old man
doing this?
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No, I'm thinking: okay, then
it's gotta be poltergeist.
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Okay, how old are you,
Ayliana?
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I'm 11.
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11, and you are?
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10.
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So I was talking
to Mommy earlier,
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and she was telling me about
some really scary stuff
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that's going on in the house.
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Can you tell me about
an experience you had?
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I was doing the dishes,
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and I set a butter knife down
on a towel,
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and next thing I knew,
it flew down and hit my foot.
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Okay, you sure you
didn't bang into it?
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So, Annalysa, has anything
like that ever happened to you?
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Yes.
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I was asleep and no one was
in the room,
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and the jewelry box just
flew off my bed-stand,
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and it woke me up.
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Were any of the animals near?
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No, the door was shut.
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Okay, so anything else?
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Yes, I've seen
a woman ghost, bowing.
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Like standing and bowing
over Ayliana,
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while she was sleeping.
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Were you scared?
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Yeah.
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So when I was talking to
Mom, she was saying Daddy,
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his temper goes real
crazy sometimes.
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He changed a lot
when we moved here.
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He did?
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Sometimes if he,
like, yells at us,
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he like, gets really,
really mad and stuff,
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and it kind of like
freaks me out sometimes.
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Sometimes daddies get mad
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because their kids
aren't behaving.
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Are you being good?
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Yes!
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Okay, just checking.
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So, are you afraid to be here?
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Would you wanna move from here?
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Okay.
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There's a hidden
person or thing.
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The only way I can see
it is as a tuxedo shirt.
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But it has no legs, no
head, you know, no hands.
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When this thing is around,
there's also these little,
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black, snake-like things,
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like, long, black shadow snakes.
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And they're all over.
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There's probably
maybe five of them.
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It can touch the living
people, and they can see it.
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They probably think they're
seeing shadow figures.
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I feel a lot of panic
in here, a lot of fear.
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And I'm hearing: terrorized.
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Terrorized.
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There's real, real
darkness in here.
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These long, snake-things
come in here.
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And it's physically
assaulting them.
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Like, there's at least
two people in here.
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So those things are
going in their ears,
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and it can mess
with their brain.
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I think the living
brought these things here.
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The living went somewhere
they weren't supposed to go.
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It's an attachment --
they brought it home.
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I literally wanna
run out of here.
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This is really bad.
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Heather called us
in because she feels
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the paranormal activity
here has the kids in danger.
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I mean, do you agree with that?
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Yes.
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Okay, what kind of danger
you think they're in?
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Somebody's gonna hurt 'em.
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Physically?
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Physically hurt 'em, yeah.
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Okay, okay.
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So, as far as experiences,
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have you seen anything
or heard anything?
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I've seen
an apparition of a female,
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sitting on the bed
in Annalysa's room.
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What did she look like?
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She had on a white dress,
and she was,
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you could see through her.
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Okay, how old do
you think she was?
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50, 51?
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All right, so I wanna talk
about something else.
255
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Heather mentioned to
me that her husband,
256
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your son, his
personality has changed.
257
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Have you noticed that?
258
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Yes, very drastic, it's changed.
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If he's away from
here, he's fine.
260
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Okay.
He comes home,
261
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his whole attitude changes
toward everybody.
262
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Okay, does this scare you?
Yeah.
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Thanks.
264
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I know; it's tough to
talk about your son.
265
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Something's got a hold on him.
266
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And it's not good.
267
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My God!
268
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Immediate headache,
horrible headache in here.
269
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There's way, way too
much energy in here.
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This person is not stable.
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This is a female, yelling
and crying and screaming,
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and losing their mind.
273
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Everything in her body is
misfiring, from A to Z.
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Mentally, physically;
I think she has,
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abilities, as far
as psychokinesis,
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and all of those components
are adding up to there being
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poltergeist phenomena around.
278
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Does this pose
any kind of threat
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to the other living here?
280
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Yeah, if she was pissed at them.
281
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So Jon, I talked to your
wife, kids, and everybody,
282
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and your wife seems to
think that the kids are
283
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in danger here, because
of the activity.
284
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Do you agree with that?
285
00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:23,234
Yes, I do.
286
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With the things flying
at the kids and stuff,
287
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one of them is gonna get hurt.
288
00:13:27,073 --> 00:13:29,140
Okay, so now what about you?
Do you have any
289
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personal experiences
you can tell me about?
290
00:13:30,944 --> 00:13:33,711
I had a decorative cow skull
that was hanging
291
00:13:33,713 --> 00:13:39,083
on the wall in the dining room,
and it flew off the wall.
292
00:13:39,085 --> 00:13:41,019
At first, I thought,
well, maybe it was just,
293
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you know, the nail
gave way or something.
294
00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:46,090
I put it back up,
but it did it again.
295
00:13:46,092 --> 00:13:49,093
Okay, I can't figure out
how that could happen.
296
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So, anything else?
297
00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:52,764
Now, there was a time
me and my wife were arguing.
298
00:13:52,766 --> 00:13:54,999
She took off and she
slammed the door in my face.
299
00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:57,568
I grabbed that doorknob
and yanked that door open,
300
00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:00,371
and when I did, it felt
like somebody shoved me,
301
00:14:00,373 --> 00:14:02,039
as hard as they could.
302
00:14:02,041 --> 00:14:03,240
Now, did it feel like two hands,
303
00:14:03,242 --> 00:14:04,042
or did it just
feel like a force?
304
00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:05,143
It felt like two hands.
305
00:14:05,145 --> 00:14:06,043
Like two hands.
306
00:14:06,045 --> 00:14:07,445
What did you do?
307
00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:08,713
I just kind of high-tailed
it out of the room.
308
00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,581
I ain't gonna lie, it was scary.
309
00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:16,854
There's a dead guy out here.
310
00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,524
He looks like a cowboy.
311
00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,393
This guy is on a horse,
running around,
312
00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:26,397
and around, and around,
and he always had this knife.
313
00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:31,002
And then, he stretched
out his arm and cut.
314
00:14:31,004 --> 00:14:36,340
So I'm thinking that some
people are getting cut here.
315
00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:38,409
He can make people
feel nauseous.
316
00:14:38,411 --> 00:14:44,482
And he causes a sense of
agitation and irritability.
317
00:14:44,484 --> 00:14:46,951
So, Jon, talking to Heather,
she told me that she feels
318
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your personality has totally
changed since you moved here.
319
00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:51,022
You agree with that?
320
00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:53,591
Yes, the slightest
things set me off.
321
00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:55,960
There's no reason for me
to be yelling and screaming
322
00:14:55,962 --> 00:15:00,732
like I am, like that,
just out of control.
323
00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:03,968
So, describe what happens
when this rage comes over you.
324
00:15:03,970 --> 00:15:05,236
The best way I can describe it
325
00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:06,304
is like an out of
body experience.
326
00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:07,505
Okay.
327
00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:09,374
I have no control
over what's going on.
328
00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:12,576
It just takes over
and I just get really irate.
329
00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,912
It's actually causing trouble
between me and my wife,
330
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:20,451
because she can't talk to me
without me just flipping out.
331
00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:21,719
I spoke to your girls,
332
00:15:21,721 --> 00:15:23,321
and they're afraid
to tell you anything.
333
00:15:23,323 --> 00:15:24,722
They're afraid you're
gonna rage on them.
334
00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:27,324
That makes me feel horrible,
because what father
335
00:15:27,326 --> 00:15:29,894
wants to hear that their
kid is afraid of them?
336
00:15:29,896 --> 00:15:31,128
All right, anything else?
337
00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,397
I've been having really
vivid night terrors.
338
00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:36,133
Can you describe what
these dreams are about.
339
00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:37,735
Just, killing people.
340
00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:41,472
Just out of control,
just really violent.
341
00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:42,974
And in every one of the dreams,
342
00:15:42,976 --> 00:15:46,143
I'm killing the people
with the same knife.
343
00:15:46,145 --> 00:15:47,745
What do you think
is going on here?
344
00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:49,747
Do you have any clue,
any thoughts?
345
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:51,148
A part of me does
believe that something
346
00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:53,016
is trying to destroy my family.
347
00:15:53,018 --> 00:15:55,820
Okay.
348
00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:59,023
I think the cowboy guy
hangs out here a lot.
349
00:15:59,025 --> 00:16:00,625
So I think that
living people would
350
00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:02,626
have a lot of
experiences with him.
351
00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:06,697
They might feel senses of
panic and urgency to get out.
352
00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:15,373
It's making me feel sick again.
353
00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:20,244
So, I'm thinking like maybe
he could cause a heart attack,
354
00:16:20,246 --> 00:16:23,448
aneurysm, but then he
said accidents too.
355
00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:27,351
Like getting into accidents
like where they could die.
356
00:16:27,353 --> 00:16:28,786
He's mad.
357
00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:32,223
He could make somebody
kill somebody else.
358
00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:47,604
So Heather told me the former
owners died in her house.
359
00:16:47,606 --> 00:16:50,908
So I called a local historian
who says she's right.
360
00:16:50,910 --> 00:16:54,145
Not only that, she found even
more deaths on the property.
361
00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:55,413
So it sounds like this could
362
00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:57,014
definitely help
my investigation.
363
00:17:03,489 --> 00:17:04,956
So I know the previous owners
364
00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:06,957
of my clients' property
died in the house.
365
00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:08,392
What can you tell me about that?
366
00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:11,395
Their names were Rayburn
and Wanda Pittman.
367
00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:14,565
They bought the property
in '83, and actually,
368
00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:16,600
a couple years later,
built the house
369
00:17:16,602 --> 00:17:19,203
that your clients actually
live in now, in 1985.
370
00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:20,704
Okay, what do you
know about them?
371
00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:24,175
Rayburn was a master
sergeant in the US Army.
372
00:17:24,177 --> 00:17:26,143
His wife, Wanda, also
worked for the Army
373
00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:27,678
as a computer operator.
374
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,781
They were pretty religious
and attended a small,
375
00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:32,650
local Baptist
church in the area.
376
00:17:32,652 --> 00:17:33,951
All right,
so, who dies first?
377
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:35,419
Rayburn dies first.
378
00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,622
He is diagnosed in
the early 2000s
379
00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:39,590
with chronic lung disease.
380
00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:42,593
And in February of 2009,
he actually dies
381
00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:45,462
in the home
of respiratory failure.
382
00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:48,433
Okay.
383
00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:49,967
He was only 67.
384
00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:52,269
All right, so Rayburn is dead;
when does Wanda pass?
385
00:17:52,271 --> 00:17:56,274
Wanda is diagnosed in
2013 with stomach cancer,
386
00:17:56,276 --> 00:17:59,343
and she actually dies in
the home, as well, in April.
387
00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:01,279
She was 72.
388
00:18:01,281 --> 00:18:02,746
So, Jen, you
mentioned on the phone
389
00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:04,214
there were a couple other
deaths; what were those?
390
00:18:04,216 --> 00:18:06,417
Well, actually, there was
another married couple
391
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:09,687
who both died on
the property as well.
392
00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:12,623
And their names were
Lena and Robert Bush.
393
00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:13,758
So what do we know
about that couple?
394
00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,627
Well, they bought
the property in 1902.
395
00:18:16,629 --> 00:18:20,465
Lena is actually diagnosed
with gastric carcinoma as well,
396
00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:24,035
in 1939; she only lives
for about two months
397
00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:28,439
after the diagnosis, and she
dies on that property.
398
00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:29,740
Now, what about the husband?
399
00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:31,809
He stays there for
another six years,
400
00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:37,048
and in 1945, he also dies on
the property of heart failure.
401
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,317
So we have one married
couple that actually dies
402
00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:40,785
in my clients' house.
403
00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:42,153
Right.
404
00:18:42,155 --> 00:18:43,320
And then we have another
married couple that died
405
00:18:43,322 --> 00:18:45,789
on the property in
the early 1900s.
406
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:48,459
What's interesting to
me is the two women
407
00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,261
both dying of the same disease.
408
00:18:50,263 --> 00:18:51,529
Right.
409
00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:52,730
Which is not something
you hear too often.
410
00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:53,730
No.
411
00:18:58,270 --> 00:19:00,404
I don't like this dead cowboy.
412
00:19:00,406 --> 00:19:02,540
Do you know if he has any
connection to the property?
413
00:19:02,542 --> 00:19:06,276
A very long time ago,
I think he owned it.
414
00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:08,412
He was in the military.
415
00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:11,949
I know that he did bad things.
416
00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,951
He killed a lot of
people when he was alive,
417
00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:17,487
but it was more like
situations where you have to.
418
00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:20,557
Now he does it
because he enjoys it.
419
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:24,162
And then there's two
bodies out there.
420
00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,096
And these are like his trophies.
421
00:19:26,098 --> 00:19:28,366
I think actually those
are representations
422
00:19:28,368 --> 00:19:31,635
of people that he's killed
since he's been dead.
423
00:19:31,637 --> 00:19:35,839
He killed them because
they were on his land.
424
00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,575
It seems like they lived here.
425
00:19:38,577 --> 00:19:40,044
Can he still
kill the living?
426
00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:43,647
Yeah, he's quietly
doing this to people.
427
00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:48,386
I'm seeing like,
accidental deaths.
428
00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:50,988
Or illnesses.
429
00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:54,859
But they're not; he's doing it.
430
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:02,500
So I just got a call from
a local crime author.
431
00:20:02,502 --> 00:20:04,468
He did some digging around
for me and found out
432
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:07,071
the most famous homicide
in this town's history
433
00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:09,873
happened just a thousand yards
from Heather's house.
434
00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:12,276
Not only that, the guy
who pulled the trigger
435
00:20:12,278 --> 00:20:14,878
was related to one
of the former owners.
436
00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:23,554
So, professor, I appreciate
you meeting with me.
437
00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:26,490
I wanna hear all about
this homicide, but first:
438
00:20:26,492 --> 00:20:28,059
who's the killer,
and how is he connected
439
00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:29,493
to my clients' property?
440
00:20:29,495 --> 00:20:32,630
The shooter was
Napoleon Bonaparte Cavari.
441
00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,898
He was the cousin
of Benjamin Cavari,
442
00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:37,801
who was the man who would have
owned your clients' property
443
00:20:37,803 --> 00:20:40,638
there in the early 1900s, at
the time all this went down.
444
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,174
Okay, so what led
up to the homicide?
445
00:20:43,176 --> 00:20:46,844
Napoleon had been committed
to the Lexington Asylum
446
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:52,850
by a local judge, but he is
released as cured in 1909.
447
00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:56,520
That same year, on August 4,
Napoleon attended
448
00:20:56,522 --> 00:21:00,191
a revival meeting at
Dunnaway Methodist Church,
449
00:21:00,193 --> 00:21:02,159
and that's where this goes down.
450
00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,760
So, the homicide,
what happened?
451
00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:05,495
Napoleon was at the church,
452
00:21:05,497 --> 00:21:07,965
there were several
other people there,
453
00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:12,136
a 19 year old fella by the name
of Harvey Ewan,
454
00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:15,706
and also a fella by the name of
Larkin Gibson.
455
00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:17,607
We think that they
may have teased him
456
00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:20,444
or said something
objectionable about his time
457
00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:23,514
in the asylum, and things
went downhill from there.
458
00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,750
And we know at some point
Napoleon pulled out a gun
459
00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:28,285
and shots were fired.
460
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,656
Ewan takes a round in the neck
that severs his spine.
461
00:21:31,658 --> 00:21:33,691
He was instantly killed,
would have gone down,
462
00:21:33,693 --> 00:21:35,159
you know, like
a sack of potatoes.
463
00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:38,496
And the other fellow,
Larkin, gets shot in the arm.
464
00:21:38,498 --> 00:21:40,564
All right,
does he get arrested?
465
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:41,832
Cavari leaves the church,
466
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,768
but turns himself
in the next day.
467
00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,436
I assume he goes on trial.
468
00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:47,971
Yes, and what he
says is that Ewan
469
00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:51,374
came at him with a knife,
so he fired in self defense.
470
00:21:51,376 --> 00:21:55,512
And they bought it,
and so he was acquitted.
471
00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:56,847
What happens to this guy?
472
00:21:56,849 --> 00:21:58,382
He stayed in the neighborhood,
but curiously,
473
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:02,252
the 1930 census says
that he was once again
474
00:22:02,254 --> 00:22:05,790
a patient at
the Eastern State Hospital.
475
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:07,591
That's tragic.
476
00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:14,065
I see this crazy
man come forward.
477
00:22:14,067 --> 00:22:16,934
And he's completely nude.
478
00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:20,805
The only thing he kept saying,
over and over again, is:
479
00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:23,340
"Help me get out,
help me get out."
480
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:28,678
He's obviously, you know,
mentally unstable.
481
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,816
I'm seeing handful of women.
482
00:22:32,818 --> 00:22:37,454
They're all crying and they're
all dressed like Mormons.
483
00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:39,356
Somebody's getting stabbed.
484
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,392
And I'm getting that
stabbing pain again.
485
00:22:52,572 --> 00:22:54,772
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486
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487
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489
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490
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491
00:23:13,492 --> 00:23:15,091
So far I've got
a client who believes
492
00:23:15,093 --> 00:23:17,027
the paranormal is
targeting her family,
493
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:22,600
on a property where two
married couples died.
494
00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:26,971
But I wanna see if
there's anything else.
495
00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:29,973
Searching through old records,
I come across a mass drowning
496
00:23:29,975 --> 00:23:33,477
of several young kids; turns
out this tragedy happened
497
00:23:33,479 --> 00:23:38,149
only a mile from Heather
and Jon's property.
498
00:23:38,151 --> 00:23:40,518
So, I'm headed over to
meet a local genealogist
499
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,019
who's looking into this for me.
500
00:23:42,021 --> 00:23:44,688
She told me this tragedy
was a freak accident,
501
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:47,257
and these kids never
stood a chance.
502
00:23:55,334 --> 00:23:58,135
I know a bunch of kids drowned
right by my client's property.
503
00:23:58,137 --> 00:23:59,536
What can you tell me about it?
504
00:23:59,538 --> 00:24:03,240
Well, on July 30, 1892,
nine boys,
505
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:06,943
ranging in age from four to
16, met at the Red River.
506
00:24:06,945 --> 00:24:08,112
So what happened?
507
00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:10,247
So they loaded in a boat
and were pushed across
508
00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:12,349
to a sandbar beach in
the middle of the river,
509
00:24:12,351 --> 00:24:14,118
and they were apparently
gonna spend the day
510
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,286
cooling off and playing in
the river.
511
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:17,688
All right,
so what went wrong?
512
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:19,656
On the return trip
back to the shore,
513
00:24:19,658 --> 00:24:22,559
that's when
the catastrophe unfolded.
514
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:23,961
They lost control of the boat,
515
00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:26,763
then the kids inside the boat
started freaking out,
516
00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:30,434
and the resulting chaos
caused the boat to turn over,
517
00:24:30,436 --> 00:24:33,203
and all of them wound
up in the river.
518
00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:34,338
What happened after that?
519
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:36,573
Well, one kid knew how to swim,
520
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:38,175
so he was able to
grab another kid,
521
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:40,244
and they were able to
make it to the shore.
522
00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:41,779
Okay, so that's
two that survived.
523
00:24:41,781 --> 00:24:44,314
Then one boy was able to grab
on to the overturned boat,
524
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,183
and he was able to paddle
to the river's edge,
525
00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:47,584
and they got him out.
526
00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:49,987
Okay, so that's three boys
out of the nine.
527
00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:51,589
What happens to
the remaining six.
528
00:24:51,591 --> 00:24:53,991
The other six remained
beneath the river's surface.
529
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,592
They drowned.
530
00:24:55,594 --> 00:25:00,364
It was nightfall before they
recovered all of the bodies.
531
00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:02,299
They were buried the next day.
532
00:25:02,301 --> 00:25:04,134
The families decided,
because the boys were
533
00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,403
such good friends,
and they were brothers,
534
00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:10,074
that they would all be
buried together in one grave.
535
00:25:10,076 --> 00:25:11,742
What a shame.
536
00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:19,583
I saw these two little kids,
definitely boys.
537
00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:21,551
They were dressed like twins.
538
00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:24,221
They were probably
four years old.
539
00:25:24,223 --> 00:25:26,823
They were laughing,
playing, running.
540
00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:31,028
It's weird, because I
think that they died.
541
00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:35,966
How'd they die?
I don't know.
542
00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:46,777
No. There's more dead
kids back here.
543
00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:50,714
Some children had graves,
very nice graves.
544
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:53,517
But there's something not
right about the others.
545
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:57,187
I got a mass grave,
and I do feel like this
546
00:25:57,189 --> 00:25:58,588
is somewhere around here,
547
00:25:58,590 --> 00:26:01,392
and it would be like,
one, two, three,
548
00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:04,862
four, five, buried
in pine boxes.
549
00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:08,399
And then they were like,
stacked in this deep hole.
550
00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:18,475
What's this thing?
551
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:26,449
What is this?
552
00:26:26,451 --> 00:26:29,586
Is this a cemetery?
553
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,956
And they're seeping
out of the earth.
554
00:26:32,958 --> 00:26:35,359
And it makes people sick.
555
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,536
I saw several horrifying
things during my walk,
556
00:26:46,538 --> 00:26:49,440
but the black shadow snakes
attacking a living person
557
00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:52,142
had me the most concerned.
558
00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:56,913
Hovering over the headboard
is this tuxedo outfit.
559
00:26:56,915 --> 00:27:00,250
There's no head or
hands or lower portion.
560
00:27:00,252 --> 00:27:03,019
There were like, these
little black shadow snakes,
561
00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:04,454
and they were coming out of it,
562
00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:08,425
and they were going into the
person that's in the bed.
563
00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:20,504
Amy, is this what you saw?
564
00:27:20,506 --> 00:27:23,540
Yes, that's what I saw.
565
00:27:43,695 --> 00:27:46,697
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
566
00:27:46,699 --> 00:27:48,832
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
567
00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:51,902
and our clients
for the first time.
568
00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:52,903
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet
569
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:54,972
Heather and her husband, Jon.
570
00:27:54,974 --> 00:27:57,974
They live here with
Jon's mother, Jennifer,
571
00:27:57,976 --> 00:28:00,444
right here, and their
three sweet kids.
572
00:28:00,446 --> 00:28:04,648
Now, this is Ayliana who's 11,
little Jon who's three.
573
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,316
This is Annalysa who's 10.
574
00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:08,719
Now, Heather called us
in because something here
575
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:14,924
is attacking the kids
and destroying their marriage.
576
00:28:14,926 --> 00:28:18,094
So, now that Amy knows who
lives here and a little bit
577
00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:20,330
about you guys, I'll ask
her to describe her walk.
578
00:28:24,236 --> 00:28:28,005
When I first got here,
I walked into the bedroom
579
00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,474
that's right by
the laundry room.
580
00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:32,943
That's Jennifer's bedroom.
581
00:28:32,945 --> 00:28:35,579
There was an insane
amount of energy
582
00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:37,948
just emanating from that room
583
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:41,618
and I got that this was
coming from a living woman,
584
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:46,256
this energy
and that woman seemed to be
585
00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:49,293
extremely stressed out
and I saw her yelling
586
00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:52,095
and screaming and freaking out.
587
00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:58,402
I got that this woman has PK
abilities, so psychokinesis,
588
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:01,771
which means that she can
affect her environment
589
00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:04,440
in a physical way
without even being aware
590
00:29:04,442 --> 00:29:07,044
that she's capable
of doing this.
591
00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,613
So things might
move on their own,
592
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:11,715
doors could open and close.
593
00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:16,319
If she were to get extremely
upset with somebody
594
00:29:16,321 --> 00:29:18,655
she could unintentionally
hurt them.
595
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:22,593
So it can be dangerous.
596
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,761
All right well, there's a lot
of things that you're talking
597
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,030
about our clients here
have been experiencing.
598
00:29:27,032 --> 00:29:29,132
Jon tell Amy about
the cow skull.
599
00:29:29,134 --> 00:29:31,668
Yeah, we have a cow
skull that we hang
600
00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:34,604
up on the wall for decoration.
601
00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:35,939
There was nobody in the room
when the next thing we knew
602
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:38,875
I heard a big crash
and I look back
603
00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:44,014
and the cow skull was laying
over in front of the microwave.
604
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:46,016
Heather do me
a favor, talk about
605
00:29:46,018 --> 00:29:47,917
the coffee mug in the kitchen.
606
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,119
My daughter and I
were doing the dishes
607
00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:52,956
and the coffee mug
flew from the hook
608
00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:55,425
to the opposite side of the sink
609
00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:57,561
and about hit my
daughter in the head.
610
00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,029
Which daughter was it that...
611
00:29:59,031 --> 00:30:01,164
It was Ayliana.
612
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:06,637
Okay, I did get that
she has abilities.
613
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:11,308
She's actually the one has
seen the most objects moving.
614
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,443
Okay, yeah.
615
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:14,911
Correct me if I'm wrong.
616
00:30:14,913 --> 00:30:16,446
Sounds like Jon's mom
and their oldest daughter
617
00:30:16,448 --> 00:30:19,749
are causing a lot of
the activity that's going on.
618
00:30:27,192 --> 00:30:30,327
So I wanted to discuss
this deceased male
619
00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:34,131
that I encountered
and he is the main
620
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:36,333
deceased individual
in your house.
621
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,269
He seemed to be in his late 60s,
622
00:30:39,271 --> 00:30:41,738
I think he used
to own the place.
623
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,274
He died rather recently,
I would have put
624
00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:47,143
his death in and around
the early 2000s.
625
00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:50,347
He's extremely religious person.
626
00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:52,282
He says that
everything here is, up
627
00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:55,352
and it's not what he wanted.
628
00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:58,355
And the weird thing with
him was he kept saying
629
00:30:58,357 --> 00:31:00,891
like he wanted to
blind you guys.
630
00:31:00,893 --> 00:31:05,329
He didn't mean it literally,
what he's trying to relay
631
00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:09,032
is that he wants to remove the
distractions from your lives
632
00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,434
so that you can look
inside of yourselves
633
00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:14,037
and deal with the issues
that you guys are having
634
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,274
and what's going
on inside of you.
635
00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,542
Well, based on the age
and time period,
636
00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:21,811
I'm pretty sure I
know who you saw.
637
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,680
Now, the couple that lived
here before Heather and Jon
638
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:26,783
were Rayburn and Wanda Pitt.
639
00:31:26,785 --> 00:31:28,251
Now they were both
pretty involved
640
00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:31,054
in the local
Baptist Church here.
641
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:33,390
Now they built
this house in 1985
642
00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:36,059
and both of them actually
died in the house.
643
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:36,994
Okay.
644
00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:38,862
Now Rayburn died in the house
645
00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:41,331
of respiratory failure in 2009.
646
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:44,000
This is his death certificate.
647
00:31:44,002 --> 00:31:45,702
And he was 67 years old.
648
00:31:45,704 --> 00:31:46,736
Okay.
649
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:49,006
Now Wanda stayed in the house
650
00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:51,808
and she died in 2013
of stomach cancer.
651
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:53,009
The stomach thing.
652
00:31:53,011 --> 00:31:55,112
She was about 72.
653
00:31:58,283 --> 00:32:00,216
So you think the old man you saw
654
00:32:00,218 --> 00:32:02,853
could've been this
guy Rayburn Pittman?
655
00:32:02,855 --> 00:32:05,122
Yeah, I think
more than likely.
656
00:32:05,124 --> 00:32:09,559
But it doesn't seem like
he was, like a bad person,
657
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:14,097
he's just very religious
and he doesn't like
658
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,299
some of the fighting
he sees in the house.
659
00:32:16,301 --> 00:32:19,569
A lot of what she's saying
is just making so much sense.
660
00:32:19,571 --> 00:32:22,972
We argue and fight
and so it's just
661
00:32:22,974 --> 00:32:25,809
with him being so angry it feels
662
00:32:25,811 --> 00:32:29,713
like he's trying to stop us
from arguing with each other.
663
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:33,783
So what else?
664
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:37,988
I did meet another guy,
665
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,856
but he stays outside.
666
00:32:39,858 --> 00:32:42,125
He is a problem.
667
00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:45,062
I think he owned the
property back, like 1860s
668
00:32:45,064 --> 00:32:47,597
and he looks like
a typical cowboy.
669
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,466
One of the things that
stood out about him
670
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,267
was that he was always
carrying knives.
671
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:54,738
He was definitely
former military
672
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,274
and he killed a lot of
people when he was alive
673
00:32:57,276 --> 00:33:00,410
but, as he put it,
only because I had to.
674
00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:04,280
Now that he's dead, he's
still killing people.
675
00:33:04,282 --> 00:33:06,282
And it's because he likes it.
676
00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:10,820
He showed me a couple of bodies
and these are his trophies
677
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,224
of people that he's killed
since he's been deceased.
678
00:33:14,226 --> 00:33:18,829
And the way that he can
cause people's deaths
679
00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:22,232
were sudden heart
attack, aneurysms
680
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:26,703
and other very deadly illnesses.
681
00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:28,238
All right,
so you said this guy
682
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,873
causes people to die of
disease on the property.
683
00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,976
So I already told you about
Rayburn and Wanda Pittman,
684
00:33:32,978 --> 00:33:34,578
a couple who died in the house.
685
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,112
Long before there
was a house here,
686
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:38,782
there was another married
couple who died on the property.
687
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:42,319
Robert and Lena Bush bought
this land back in 1902.
688
00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:48,658
Now in 1939 Lena Bush died
here of stomach cancer.
689
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:52,062
Same disease as Wanda Pittman.
690
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:56,466
I kept having horrible
horrible stomach issues.
691
00:33:56,468 --> 00:34:00,537
And 1945, Robert Bush
died of heart disease.
692
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:02,839
Here's his death
certificate; he was 81.
693
00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:05,041
So could this
cowboy have anything
694
00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:06,476
to do with these four deaths?
695
00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:09,679
Yes, I think the stomach
cancers and the heart.
696
00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:11,614
I don't know about
the respiratory,
697
00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:13,283
doesn't feel right to me.
698
00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:16,419
You're blowing my mind, dude.
699
00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:17,587
Now do you think it's something
700
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:19,155
that he's tryna do to these two?
701
00:34:19,157 --> 00:34:22,358
Yeah...
702
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,095
It scares me actually.
703
00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:27,397
I don't wanna die
at a young age.
704
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,099
So this cowboy's tryna kill 'em.
705
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:31,701
Any other way he can do it
besides making them sick?
706
00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:33,035
Yes.
707
00:34:33,037 --> 00:34:37,340
I think that he can get
violent with the living.
708
00:34:37,342 --> 00:34:40,443
When I was looking at him
I'm looking up, like OK.
709
00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:44,948
And he flung his arm and hand
at me and it became a knife.
710
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:47,817
It almost felt like something
was being stabbed there.
711
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:51,822
He can definitely affect
moods, irritated, angry.
712
00:34:51,824 --> 00:34:55,458
He can probably
influence the living
713
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:59,395
and make them angry
enough to kill.
714
00:34:59,397 --> 00:35:00,864
So one of the biggest reasons
715
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:02,065
we were called in by Heather is
716
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:06,469
because of the rage
that John is expressing.
717
00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:09,339
When I walk in the house, I'm...
718
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:12,809
I turn into a completely
different person.
719
00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:17,146
The slightest thing will set
me off and I'll start screaming
720
00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:21,484
and I've punched the wall
in the bedroom.
721
00:35:21,486 --> 00:35:25,288
When we first got together
we were happy as can be
722
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,024
but now it's just,
I'm honest to God
723
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,661
I'm so sick of
fighting with him.
724
00:35:31,663 --> 00:35:33,295
I spoke to your
mom and the girls
725
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:34,497
and they all say they've
noticed the change in you.
726
00:35:34,499 --> 00:35:37,467
But you also told
me that you felt
727
00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:39,102
you were being influenced.
728
00:35:39,104 --> 00:35:41,137
Tell her about
your night terrors.
729
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:45,708
I have these night
terrors where I'm
730
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:49,245
physically killing
somebody, different people
731
00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:54,784
and every dream
I'm using a knife.
732
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:59,556
I'm doing horrible
things to 'em.
733
00:35:59,558 --> 00:36:02,926
So do you think this cowboy
could be influencing Jon
734
00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:04,794
and giving him these
damn nightmares?
735
00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:06,329
It is very possible.
736
00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:10,133
He could be influencing
you and jumping you.
737
00:36:12,471 --> 00:36:14,070
Is there anything else?
738
00:36:14,072 --> 00:36:18,408
Then I encountered
a very unusual entity here.
739
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:21,277
It's very very strange
so just bear with me.
740
00:36:21,279 --> 00:36:24,347
What it looks like is if
somebody hung
741
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:25,949
the top of a tuxedo,
742
00:36:25,951 --> 00:36:29,953
so there's like this jacket,
a vest and a shirt.
743
00:36:29,955 --> 00:36:32,689
And it also has these, like,
744
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:36,026
snake-like things
that are black,
745
00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:39,495
that come off of it
and are always around it.
746
00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:42,165
I've seen snakes were
underneath the door,
747
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:45,302
like they were just kinda
going back and forth like this
748
00:36:45,304 --> 00:36:47,370
and I flung the door open and...
749
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:49,706
Nobody was there.
Nobody was there.
750
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,241
I also got that it was
a deceased individual
751
00:36:52,243 --> 00:36:55,211
from somewhere else,
possibly a living person
752
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:59,382
unknowingly brought it
here from another place.
753
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:03,853
And this can happen when living
people visit haunted locations.
754
00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:06,990
These two visited a couple
pretty famous haunted places.
755
00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:08,858
You went to the Queen Mary,
right? Tell that.
756
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:10,860
Queen Mary.
757
00:37:10,862 --> 00:37:16,399
And Jon went to the Waverly
Hills Sanatorium, its called.
758
00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:17,600
Now, could they have
brought something
759
00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:19,069
home from one of these places?
760
00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:22,605
It is very possible.
761
00:37:22,607 --> 00:37:24,006
All right, so what
does this thing do?
762
00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:27,309
It would instill
fear and panic.
763
00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:30,280
I think the living might
see it as a shadow person.
764
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:33,016
Heather you told me you've
seen shadow figures.
765
00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:35,018
It's very active
in the front room
766
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:37,319
with the two beds in it.
767
00:37:37,321 --> 00:37:40,890
- That's where the girls sleep.
- Really...
768
00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:43,426
I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
769
00:37:53,238 --> 00:37:57,574
This is hard for
a parent to see.
770
00:38:04,382 --> 00:38:07,216
That's exactly what
Annalysa described to me.
771
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:15,858
I'm scared for her but I don't
know what to do for them.
772
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:17,827
I've never felt more
helpless in my life.
773
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:20,663
To know that something's
attacking my kids
774
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:23,933
and I can't do
anything about it.
775
00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:26,002
What exactly are these?
776
00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:29,272
Those are, like,
little snake things.
777
00:38:29,274 --> 00:38:31,274
The can go inside of the body,
778
00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:35,745
specifically they
were aiming for brain.
779
00:38:35,747 --> 00:38:39,816
They could cause issues
in other organs as well,
780
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:42,285
lots of health problems.
781
00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:46,756
It needs to be dealt with,
like, immediately.
782
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,825
What could happen to these kids
783
00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:50,426
from these snake-like things?
784
00:38:50,428 --> 00:38:54,297
Memory issues, sleep issues,
785
00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:56,466
it could cause
personality changes,
786
00:38:56,468 --> 00:38:59,702
you know a lot of things
that could happen.
787
00:38:59,704 --> 00:39:00,904
I mean, I knew it was bad
788
00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:02,839
but I didn't know
it was this bad.
789
00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:07,710
I don't know what to do, I can't
fight it physically, you know.
790
00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:26,295
So Heather, Jon, you've heard
a lot of information tonight
791
00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:29,098
and probably a hell of a lot
more than you've bargained for.
792
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,401
Obviously this
place is dangerous.
793
00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:32,768
Now it's time to
find out if there's
794
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:34,737
anything you can do
to fix it so you can
795
00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:38,975
protect your kids
and save your marriage.
796
00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:40,810
For that I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
797
00:39:44,282 --> 00:39:45,448
There's quite a few things
798
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:49,285
that you guys are
gonna need to do.
799
00:39:49,287 --> 00:39:52,288
So the first thing is the need
to control the PK.
800
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:55,525
I'd like you to get
a video of tai chi
801
00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:59,996
that Ayliana and your mother
can watch three times per week.
802
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:05,467
This'll help with balancing
their energy and controlling it.
803
00:40:05,469 --> 00:40:08,137
Next there's a team
that I'll refer you to
804
00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:14,009
who can help you deal with
the cowboy and moving him on.
805
00:40:14,011 --> 00:40:17,046
He must be detached from you.
806
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:18,948
The second thing is,
is that they will
807
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:24,320
then remove him
from the land, okay?
808
00:40:24,322 --> 00:40:25,988
As for this thing,
the team will work
809
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:31,194
to send that guy back
to where he came from.
810
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:32,494
So once this thing is gone
811
00:40:32,496 --> 00:40:33,829
they won't see the
shadows anymore.
812
00:40:33,831 --> 00:40:35,865
No.
What about physical activity?
813
00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:37,800
Yeah, that'll
get so much better.
814
00:40:37,802 --> 00:40:41,404
Now what about our
dead guy, Rayburn?
815
00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:44,073
He's upset with
you guys, he said.
816
00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:46,442
He would like to see you
guys in marriage counseling
817
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:50,479
to work on communication skills.
818
00:40:50,481 --> 00:40:55,685
Once this is done, Rayburn
will likely leave on his own.
819
00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:58,354
I feel like we can get back
to the way things were.
820
00:40:58,356 --> 00:40:59,689
Good.
821
00:40:59,691 --> 00:41:00,957
When you called us, you were
worried about protecting
822
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:02,291
your kids and saving
your marriage.
823
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,227
You got the tools now,
whether you implement
824
00:41:04,229 --> 00:41:08,431
them or not is on you, and you.
825
00:41:08,433 --> 00:41:09,832
You gonna take Amy's advice?
826
00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:11,034
- Yes.
- Yes.
827
00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:14,370
- Okay.
- It's getting started tomorrow.
828
00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:18,941
I wanna get rid of whatever's
attacking the kids.
829
00:41:18,943 --> 00:41:21,110
I have a lot of hope
now that I'll have
830
00:41:21,112 --> 00:41:23,712
my family back the way it was.
831
00:41:23,714 --> 00:41:28,517
So I think this is something
that'll be good for all of us.
832
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,753
It won't be easy but if
Heather and John contact
833
00:41:30,755 --> 00:41:33,990
the team of mediums to remove
the negative dead,
834
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:35,858
they can begin to resolve
their problems
835
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,126
through marriage counseling.
836
00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:40,263
That along with tai chi
will help balance the energy
837
00:41:40,265 --> 00:41:42,331
in the home and this family can
838
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,801
find the peace it's
been looking for.
839
00:41:44,851 --> 00:41:49,401
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