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This is a terrible place.
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It's out of control.
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My whole life has been
turned upside down.
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"You are in the pit of Hell."
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What do you
think's here?
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Death.
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That's where the
Manson family hung out.
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It makes people evil.
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I feel punished
every day.
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I just don't want to
wake up sometimes.
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My God.
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She doesn't get better,
she gets worse.
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I don't know how
anybody lives here.
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The pain is ridiculous.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people.
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Okay, she doesn't
like it in there.
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And they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now, does he die right
there on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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I'm as stunned
as you guys are.
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...when we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything to
happen to my daughter.
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...or time to get out.
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His goal is to kill you guys.
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I'm in Chatsworth, California.
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It's a suburb about
an hour outside of L.A.
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I got a call from
woman named Nancy.
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Now, she sounded really bad
when I spoke to her.
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She was crying and
said her dream house
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is trying to kill her.
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I'm really hoping Amy and
I can help this woman out.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area of any
leading information.
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This home has a
lot of photographs,
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musical instruments,
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and dream catchers.
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So it's important I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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God.
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This particular area
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is extremely negative.
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There's something
with the Earth.
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Extremely bad, bad, bad area.
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It's just a huge,
huge black hole.
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I'm hearing, "You are
literally in the pit of Hell."
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You know, Nancy, when
we spoke on the phone,
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you were pretty upset.
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Kind of broke my heart
to hear you cry.
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What's going on
with you here?
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My whole life has been
turned upside down.
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It's kind of like
being trapped in Hell.
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I feel punished
every day.
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I just don't want to
wake up sometimes.
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We're gonna try to help
you out here, okay?
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Thank you.
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Do you live here alone?
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Yeah, I'm alone.
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Just me and a couple
of my kitties.
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So what attracted
you to this house?
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Being in
the music industry,
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I wanted some peace
and quiet,
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just not be
around the rat race.
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I thought I was
gonna grown old here.
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I really thought this was
where I was gonna die.
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Have you experienced
paranormal
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before you moved here?
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Yes, since I was
even very young,
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I've been a sensitive.
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So, Nancy, you believe
you have abilities?
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Yes, I've been told
many times I'm empathic.
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Okay, so do me a favor
and give me a list
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of what the hell's
going on in this house.
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There's footsteps.
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I see shadow figures.
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I get physical touching.
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I have nightmares.
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They're terrifying.
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My health just
started deteriorating.
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What kind of health
issues are we talking?
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Since I moved in, I started
having skeletal issues.
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I have multiple sclerosis.
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I have a brain tumor.
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- A what?
- A brain tumor.
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They monitor it and I'm
going blind in my left eye.
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I can't feel my legs.
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Honey, I'm sorry.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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So, I'm really glad
you guys are here.
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Sounds like since
you moved here,
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everything went
downhill for you.
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I used to have everything.
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I was the it girl.
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I had it all and I
have nothing now.
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It's literally
this house.
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Since I walked in,
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a place of happiness
turned into just
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this big nightmare.
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Just everything's gone.
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Why the hell would
you stay here?
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I put everything
into this house
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and this is why
I have you here.
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Okay.
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'Cause I'd really
like to keep my house.
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The interesting thing
here is that the living
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and the dead are so meshed,
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it's like they're living
in each other's realities.
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The living people who live
here are way too open.
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I want to say that there's
at least two sensitives
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who are living who
are consistently here.
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Can you elaborate
on that?
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Living people have been
attracted to this place
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because it's haunted.
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I think that people come
here and the thing is,
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is they're pulled.
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I think they think most of
it's positive, but it's not.
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It's really not.
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Most of it's negative.
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It's out of control.
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It's not good.
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All right, Nancy, so
what's going on in here?
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I get touched.
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It's almost like
caressing.
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Where are you
being touched?
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My arms, my hands.
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How often
does that happen?
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Sporadically.
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Couple times a week.
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It's very shocking.
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Anything else physical
like that ever happen?
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I wake up with bruising,
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and it would be
like somebody's grabbed me.
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I don't live with anybody,
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so where are these
bruises coming from?
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People that have a white
blood cell that's low
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bruise easily.
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Is that something to do
with your conditions?
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No, I'm fine that way.
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Okay, all right.
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I'm getting a lot --
a lot of physical pain.
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Something's happening
here on my neck
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and a pain in my stomach.
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Some of the pain I'm
having is related
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to a living person.
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It's like something's got them.
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I think that they have a dead
person that is doing this
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to them all the time.
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It's a dead woman.
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It's causing a lot of this pain.
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There's always this pain.
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Do you know who this
is happening to?
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I'm damn positive it's a female.
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Do you have any idea why
she's wanting to do this
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to this person?
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She hates them, hates them.
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Feels trapped, bound.
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She's making this weird
noise all the time.
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It's like a combination
of growling and screaming
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and wanting to bite.
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Not good.
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All right, Nanc, so this
is your room, I assume?
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- Yes.
- Okay, so what's going on?
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It's just mood swings.
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I wake up angry.
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It happens a lot.
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It's like it's
someone else's anger.
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It's not mine.
- What do you mean?
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I feel like someone's maybe
attached to me somehow.
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I had a friend tell me
that your outbursts affect
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her being around me.
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Nothing worse than
needing somebody
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and then
they're not there.
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Yeah.
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All right, anything else?
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Um, there's
shadow figures.
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It looks like somebody's
passing the window.
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So when you're seeing
this shadow go by,
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is it the same height all
the time, different heights?
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What are
we talking about?
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It seems
about the same height,
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that it reminds me of a man
who's probably about 5'11".
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Have you ever checked
for anyone outside?
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Yeah, nobody.
Nobody's there.
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I don't like it back there.
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There's death back there,
there's death.
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Okay, this is bad.
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There is a negative entity here.
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What people would call
it would be a demon.
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It's evil.
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The living here can
hear it breathing.
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They see shadow things
going back and forth.
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And I'm dizzy.
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Living people have
that a lot here.
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All right, so what
else is going on?
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I get
the worst nightmares.
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It's the same dream
I've had repetitively
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for several years.
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Tell me
about the nightmares.
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I'm curious what they are.
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I started being attacked.
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I feel like this demon
thing is pulling me back.
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So when you talk about
this demon in this dream,
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do you see it or is
it just a feeling?
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I see it with arms.
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I don't really see it
like I see you.
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Okay.
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Do you think whatever's
here is intentionally trying
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to hurt you and get
you out of here?
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I don't know if it's
trying to get me out
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as much as it's
trying to keep me in.
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This person is having
constant nightmares,
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but no one's sleeping.
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Someone now has developed
breathing issues.
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I thought I saw something
crawling from out under the bed,
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which they might actually see.
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I'm getting the
head thing again.
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I don't know how
anybody lives here.
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The pain is ridiculous.
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So, Jodie, I was
talking to Nancy.
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I understand you're
good friends with her. Yeah.
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You know, she's one of my
best friends in the world.
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She feels whatever's
in this house
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is causing her
health to decline.
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Do you agree with that?
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I do.
She is really struggling.
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What used to be so easy
for her
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is 1,000 times harder
than it ever used to be.
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As you get older,
I mean,
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I can't blame the
paranormal on my stuff.
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So why do you think
it's the paranormal here?
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When I met her,
she was vibrant,
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vivacious,
so strong,
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and just could
set her mind to anything
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and accomplish it.
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And now she
struggles every day.
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She'll just get
angry for no reason.
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She will break down,
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'cause she doesn't
want to live like this.
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Okay, so now as far as
experiences in the house,
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have you had any?
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I've just had
a really creepy feeling.
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00:11:57,016 --> 00:11:59,450
Like I don't like
being alone here.
262
00:11:59,452 --> 00:12:00,852
Okay, why?
263
00:12:00,854 --> 00:12:03,320
It's like someone's
standing behind you almost.
264
00:12:03,322 --> 00:12:04,455
Okay.
265
00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:05,423
And that makes me
really worried for her.
266
00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:06,391
I was gonna ask ya,
I mean,
267
00:12:06,393 --> 00:12:07,459
you gotta be worried
about her.
268
00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:09,026
She's your good friend.
- Absolutely.
269
00:12:09,028 --> 00:12:11,496
- Think she's in danger here?
- Yes.
270
00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:12,730
What about her
moving out of here?
271
00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:13,998
What's your opinion
on that?
272
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,602
I would really, really
like to see her go
273
00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:21,806
and just experience new
energy and just have
274
00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,641
a chance at a new life.
275
00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:32,650
There's a lot of
random dead out here.
276
00:12:32,652 --> 00:12:36,987
These are like shadow people,
but they're dead people.
277
00:12:36,989 --> 00:12:40,158
It's possible that living
people in the neighborhood,
278
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,427
as well as here, have seen them.
279
00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:50,768
I think all of this
going all the...way back
280
00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:53,805
should be mowed down
281
00:12:53,807 --> 00:12:57,275
and made into nothing.
282
00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:58,743
That's how I feel
about this place.
283
00:13:01,047 --> 00:13:04,582
Like all of a sudden,
I'm enraged.
284
00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:06,050
Your blood pressure goes up
and your head's pounding
285
00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:08,987
and you're, like,
just ready to...
286
00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:11,189
like, beat the..
out of somebody.
287
00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:20,731
So Nicole, I understand
288
00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:21,866
you're good friends
with Nancy.
289
00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:23,234
Yes.
290
00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:26,671
I've known Nancy for 12
years now, almost 13 years.
291
00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:29,073
She was talking about how
bad her health has declined.
292
00:13:29,075 --> 00:13:30,074
And she blames the house
293
00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:31,375
and what's going on here
on it.
294
00:13:31,377 --> 00:13:32,810
Do you agree with that?
295
00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,011
I do agree.
296
00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:37,215
This place is,
it's unhealthy.
297
00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:38,616
It's unnatural.
298
00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:40,618
I'm an extremely
sensitive person,
299
00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:41,953
and I've been tormented
300
00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:44,555
for about 15 years of my life
because of it.
301
00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:46,624
Okay.
302
00:13:46,626 --> 00:13:47,992
How about here?
303
00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:49,761
Have you had any
experiences in this house?
304
00:13:49,763 --> 00:13:51,629
Yes, I spent
the night here.
305
00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:53,765
I had
a terrifying dream.
306
00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,833
So Nancy told me
about her nightmares.
307
00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,235
What are yours like?
308
00:13:57,237 --> 00:14:00,104
Literally being held down,
like being pulled down
309
00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:01,906
in a bed
that was in this room.
310
00:14:01,908 --> 00:14:03,541
I was reaching
for the sky.
311
00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:07,378
I was reaching for some
greater, higher power
312
00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:10,515
and having
these clawing hands
313
00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,783
kind of holding me back.
314
00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:14,118
I felt like I was paralyzed,
like I couldn't move.
315
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,820
I felt nothing
in my body moved.
316
00:14:16,822 --> 00:14:17,955
I'm gonna just go
out and say it.
317
00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:19,791
It's a demonic dream.
318
00:14:19,793 --> 00:14:21,692
Okay, so anything else?
319
00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:24,628
Yeah, I would get hit in
this house all the time.
320
00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:26,263
When you say hit, you
mean physically hit?
321
00:14:26,265 --> 00:14:29,267
Yes.
I would feel these pains.
322
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:30,601
I would get hit
in my neck.
323
00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:32,403
I've been hit in my hip.
324
00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:33,571
Feels like you're
getting stabbed.
325
00:14:33,573 --> 00:14:34,739
Feels like
you're getting cut.
326
00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:36,407
So when this happened,
327
00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:38,075
did you get a sense
that it was a human?
328
00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:40,678
No,
this was not human.
329
00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,547
This was something that
scared me and made me cry.
330
00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:46,217
Would you say Nancy's
in danger here?
331
00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,820
Yeah, I think that her
health and her life
332
00:14:48,822 --> 00:14:51,488
is in danger being here.
333
00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:52,890
She's sick.
334
00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:56,894
She doesn't get better,
she gets worse.
335
00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:59,297
And she was perfectly
fine when I met her.
336
00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:00,498
So what do you
think's here?
337
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,032
Death.
338
00:15:06,506 --> 00:15:07,772
I don't know, it's
just very loud in here.
339
00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:08,906
It's very bad in here.
340
00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:11,976
It's very negative in here.
341
00:15:11,978 --> 00:15:16,314
There are dead that are
coming from around here
342
00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,549
and coming and going
and coming and going.
343
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:29,393
it's like a white path and
I see a trail of death.
344
00:15:29,395 --> 00:15:32,797
It's the same people
over and over again.
345
00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,933
Somebody here is
bringing dead people,
346
00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:37,802
so that's not good.
347
00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:54,152
Look, I know the Manson
family's hideout
348
00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:55,353
was in this area,
349
00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:57,488
so I reached out to
a local crime writer.
350
00:15:57,490 --> 00:16:00,024
Now, he says there was
actually another deadly cult
351
00:16:00,026 --> 00:16:02,626
that operated real
close to Nancy's house.
352
00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:05,930
I'm hoping this is gonna
help my investigation.
353
00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,804
So, Mike, I know Manson
had some sort of a hideout
354
00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:14,872
near my client's property.
355
00:16:14,874 --> 00:16:16,340
What can you tell me
about that?
356
00:16:16,342 --> 00:16:18,409
It was about 2 miles away
from your client's house,
357
00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:20,478
and they called it
Spawn Ranch.
358
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,747
Manson gave his orders
from the ranch.
359
00:16:22,749 --> 00:16:25,983
That was their home base
and he would decide
360
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,118
who's gonna live and
who's gonna die
361
00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,055
and a lot of his followers
were these teenagers,
362
00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:32,489
some from good homes.
363
00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:33,891
It was shocking.
364
00:16:33,893 --> 00:16:36,093
People said, "This
could be my daughter."
365
00:16:36,095 --> 00:16:39,062
So I know in '69, Manson and
his followers wreaked havoc
366
00:16:39,064 --> 00:16:41,699
through these hills here,
but refresh my memory,
367
00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,467
what was the body count,
what happened?
368
00:16:43,469 --> 00:16:46,203
9 people died in
the summer of 1969.
369
00:16:46,205 --> 00:16:47,972
These followers
were involved in two
370
00:16:47,974 --> 00:16:50,241
of the most famous
murders in L.A. history.
371
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:53,411
One was the Sharon Tate murders
in the Hollywood Hills.
372
00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:56,147
She was an actress
married to Roman Polanski.
373
00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,282
Tate was what, almost
nine months pregnant?
374
00:16:58,284 --> 00:16:59,850
- Yeah.
- Okay.
375
00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,620
They stabbed her to
death and four others.
376
00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:04,121
Next day, they go
377
00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,291
to Leno and
Rosemary LaBianca's house,
378
00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:09,360
stab them to death.
379
00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:11,195
Was there any violence
on the ranch
380
00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:12,563
near my client's property?
381
00:17:12,565 --> 00:17:14,765
There was a murder
on the ranch.
382
00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:17,167
This was a guy
named Donald Shea.
383
00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:18,368
He was a stunt man,
384
00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:20,771
sort of a ranch hand
at the Spawn Ranch
385
00:17:20,773 --> 00:17:23,641
and Manson, after those
killings, was very paranoid.
386
00:17:23,643 --> 00:17:25,109
He thought people were
ratting him out and he thought
387
00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:27,912
this guy, Shea, was ratting
him out and had him killed.
388
00:17:27,914 --> 00:17:30,113
Okay, so what were the
circumstances of his murder?
389
00:17:30,115 --> 00:17:31,849
It was a grizzly killing.
390
00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:35,419
They hit him over the head,
stabbed him repeatedly,
391
00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,655
and then ditched his
body in the hills
392
00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:40,258
just about 2 miles from
your client's property.
393
00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,493
You know, growing up on
the streets of Brooklyn
394
00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:43,661
and looking at this,
you would think,
395
00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,263
this is a safe place
to be.
396
00:17:45,265 --> 00:17:46,864
Yeah, the people who
lived here
397
00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:48,532
thought it was
a safe place to be.
398
00:17:48,534 --> 00:17:49,667
Turned out it wasn't.
399
00:17:57,877 --> 00:18:00,878
There are
a lot of dead people.
400
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,780
I would say eight.
401
00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,149
These dead people
are murder victims.
402
00:18:05,151 --> 00:18:06,984
They were male and female.
403
00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:08,152
Did you get
a timeframe?
404
00:18:08,154 --> 00:18:10,621
I would say within
the last 60 years.
405
00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:13,691
There is a possibility that
two of them died together
406
00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:15,893
or five of them died together.
407
00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:20,964
I saw a woman and she
was short, well-endowed,
408
00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:22,300
was kind of bigger up here.
409
00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,902
So I don't know if she
had a belly or not,
410
00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:26,303
you know kind of thing.
411
00:18:26,305 --> 00:18:29,273
Then there was a girl
dragging me by my left arm.
412
00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:34,312
I'm having horrible
pain on my left side.
413
00:18:34,314 --> 00:18:38,082
Then there's another male.
414
00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:40,050
I'm getting that he
didn't die with the others
415
00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:44,055
and he's in the dark and
he's tall and he's thin,
416
00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:45,589
and he's young.
417
00:18:45,591 --> 00:18:47,725
I'm getting hit in the
head, right temple.
418
00:18:47,727 --> 00:18:53,831
I think that somebody came
here and killed this person.
419
00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:55,132
Now, you mentioned
on the phone
420
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,534
there was another cult
in the area.
421
00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,669
What can you tell me
about that one?
422
00:18:58,671 --> 00:19:00,938
This is a cult that's even
closer to your client's house,
423
00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:02,873
about a half mile away.
424
00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:05,542
This was called The
Fountain of the World,
425
00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:08,445
and it was founded by this
guy named Francis Pencovic.
426
00:19:08,447 --> 00:19:10,281
Here's a picture of him.
427
00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:13,217
That's his wife
next to him.
428
00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:14,886
He looks the part.
429
00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:18,556
Now, he's a Jewish World
War II vet who came to believe
430
00:19:18,558 --> 00:19:21,626
that he was the reincarnation
of Jesus Christ.
431
00:19:21,628 --> 00:19:24,896
He changed his name from
Francis to Krishna Venta.
432
00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:27,564
They built the compound
in 1948.
433
00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,233
About 60 followers.
434
00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:30,500
Okay.
435
00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:32,836
They wore robes, they
went around barefooted,
436
00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:34,138
they were vegetarians,
437
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,374
which was a little
weird at that time.
438
00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:38,175
Kind of early hippies.
439
00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,510
All right, they're
do-gooders eating vegetables.
440
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,911
When did it go wrong?
441
00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:44,649
Krishna Venta was not
as he appeared to be.
442
00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:46,216
He had a dark side,
443
00:19:46,218 --> 00:19:49,720
and he was absconding
with his followers' money.
444
00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:50,988
He was taking it off
to Vegas and Reno,
445
00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:52,390
losing it
at the tables.
446
00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:56,260
He was sleeping with
their wives, sexual abuse,
447
00:19:56,262 --> 00:19:58,796
all kinds of stuff going
on behind the scenes.
448
00:19:58,798 --> 00:19:59,964
You know, one day,
449
00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:02,800
two former followers
didn't want any more of this,
450
00:20:02,802 --> 00:20:05,402
and they took matters
into their own hands.
451
00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:07,004
What did they do?
452
00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:10,807
1958, the two ex-followers
go into the compound,
453
00:20:10,809 --> 00:20:12,242
go up to a building.
454
00:20:12,244 --> 00:20:14,745
One of 'em's got 20 sticks
of dynamite strapped
455
00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:16,080
to his body.
456
00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:18,282
Blows the place
sky high.
457
00:20:18,284 --> 00:20:20,551
At the end of the day,
10 people are dead,
458
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,887
including Krishna Venta.
459
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,955
All right, so everybody's
blown up here.
460
00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:26,624
So did the cult end
at this point?
461
00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:27,825
Surprisingly no.
462
00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:29,360
It kept going for
years and years.
463
00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:30,828
There's a long rumor
464
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:33,898
that Charles Manson
himself visited the cult
465
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,032
in about 1968
466
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,968
and that's where
he got some of his ideas.
467
00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:44,908
I'm seeing another group
of dead people out here.
468
00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:46,176
So how many are there?
469
00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:49,313
There's probably about
10 or 12 of these people
470
00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:54,151
and then there's a male
saying that he wanted money.
471
00:20:54,153 --> 00:20:56,654
He's pissed.
He's pissed.
472
00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:58,489
I'm being slapped
across the face.
473
00:20:58,491 --> 00:20:59,924
I'm on my knees.
474
00:21:01,894 --> 00:21:04,661
But I'm hearing now,
there's no church here.
475
00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:13,070
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481
00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:33,658
So far I've got a client
who believes the activity
482
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,459
in her house is
trying to kill her
483
00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:39,530
on a property close to the
compounds of two deadly cults.
484
00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:41,565
But I want to see if
there's anything else.
485
00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:46,236
Searching through old records,
I find a French land baron
486
00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:48,005
named Miguel Leonis.
487
00:21:48,007 --> 00:21:50,240
Turns out Miguel used
to own Nancy's property
488
00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:53,310
and used any means
necessary to protect it.
489
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,479
So I'm headed over to
meet a local historian
490
00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:56,947
who says that as
soon as this guy got
491
00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,282
to my client's property,
492
00:21:58,284 --> 00:22:01,285
he started acting real
violent and unstable.
493
00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:08,959
So Dinna,
I appreciate
494
00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:10,761
you helping me out
with this case.
495
00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,229
What do we know
about this guy
496
00:22:12,231 --> 00:22:14,031
that owned
my client's property?
497
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,833
His name
was Miguel Leonis.
498
00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,435
He was from the Basque
region of France,
499
00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:20,705
and he arrived in
the area in 1854.
500
00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:24,108
All right, so how
does this guy
501
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,842
wind up
with my client's property?
502
00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:29,447
In 1859, he enters into
common law marriage
503
00:22:29,449 --> 00:22:33,584
with a Chumash Indian
woman named Espiritu.
504
00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:38,989
This is where Miguel
and Espiritu lived.
505
00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:40,591
This is the actual
house they lived in?
506
00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:42,159
Yes.
507
00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:43,294
Okay, so now you mentioned
on the phone that this guy
508
00:22:43,296 --> 00:22:44,528
had, like,
a violent streak going.
509
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:45,996
What was that all about?
510
00:22:45,998 --> 00:22:49,666
He was obsessed with building
his real-estate empire
511
00:22:49,668 --> 00:22:51,268
and his growing fortune.
512
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,803
This land, this ranch,
513
00:22:52,805 --> 00:22:55,172
he basically stole
from his father-in-law.
514
00:22:55,174 --> 00:22:56,540
How'd he do that?
515
00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:59,210
He convinced his
father-in-law that in order
516
00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:00,811
to protect the ranch
from the government,
517
00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:04,281
he should sign title of
the property over to him
518
00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:05,482
as a temporary measure.
519
00:23:05,484 --> 00:23:06,817
Okay.
520
00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:10,287
Never, ever did he
transfer the ownership back
521
00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:11,588
to his father-in-law.
522
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:13,390
- Really?
- Yes.
523
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,625
What happens next
with this guy?
524
00:23:14,627 --> 00:23:18,428
Now he has his sites
set on acquiring land
525
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:19,764
owned by his neighbors.
526
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:21,265
Okay,
so how's he do that?
527
00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:24,535
Hounding people off their
property, burning crops,
528
00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:27,638
bribing judges,
intimidating witnesses.
529
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,544
Which resulted in
control of 11,000 acres
530
00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:34,845
of property
in this area.
531
00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:36,580
Okay, so this guy was
a real piece of work.
532
00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:37,648
Absolutely.
533
00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:39,516
What ends up
happening to Leonis?
534
00:23:39,518 --> 00:23:42,586
While traveling over
the Cahuenga Pass
535
00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:44,054
with three others
in a heavy wagon
536
00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:45,389
full of firewood,
he somehow fell
537
00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:46,457
off his wagon
538
00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,325
and got crushed
underneath the wheels.
539
00:23:53,199 --> 00:23:55,166
It's just very bad in here.
540
00:23:55,168 --> 00:23:58,068
This is no good.
541
00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:00,537
This is a terrible place.
542
00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:04,875
I feel like I'm falling
into the ground here.
543
00:24:04,877 --> 00:24:07,545
I think the demon lives
in here
544
00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:11,549
and there's this darkness
with the demon.
545
00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:12,816
It's horrible.
546
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:14,618
And how would the living
be affected by that?
547
00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,587
It makes people evil.
548
00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:20,491
I think a male died
here from this thing.
549
00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:24,428
I don't know how, but I think
that this thing killed a male.
550
00:24:25,698 --> 00:24:28,365
Another thing caught
my eye in research.
551
00:24:28,367 --> 00:24:30,901
One of the previous owners
of Nancy's property died
552
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,304
in a tragic car accident
back in the '70s.
553
00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:35,539
I'm heading over to meet
a retired L.A.P.D. officer
554
00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:37,141
who dug into the case file
for me.
555
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:39,577
She says there was no
justice for the victim.
556
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,051
So, Cheryl, I appreciate
557
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:49,153
you helping me out
with this case.
558
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,387
Before we get
to the accident,
559
00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:51,922
what can you tell
me about the victim?
560
00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:54,858
Alice Lansman was 29 years
old, California native.
561
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:56,894
She and her husband,
Mark, purchased the house
562
00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:59,730
that you're looking
into back in 1973.
563
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:02,466
Okay, so they purchased
my client's house in 1973,
564
00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:04,868
but I know the accident
happened a few years later.
565
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:06,670
What exactly happened?
566
00:25:06,672 --> 00:25:10,774
On January 11, 1977, at
approximately 10:30 p.m.,
567
00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:13,010
Alice was driving
about three miles
568
00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,277
from where
she lived with Mark.
569
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:15,613
Okay.
570
00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:16,814
She entered the intersection
and was broad-sided
571
00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:18,315
by another vehicle.
572
00:25:18,317 --> 00:25:21,351
The other driver was driving
about 70 miles per hour
573
00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:23,720
at the time of impact
and it was so intense,
574
00:25:23,722 --> 00:25:25,889
that it literally knocked
the engine out of the car
575
00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,025
that was being driven
by Alice at the time.
576
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,893
Really?
Does she die at the scene?
577
00:25:29,895 --> 00:25:31,995
What happened?
- She did die at the scene.
578
00:25:31,997 --> 00:25:34,898
She suffered brain trauma,
fractured skull,
579
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,667
and according to the
coroner's report,
580
00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:40,871
she punctured her
spleen and her liver.
581
00:25:40,873 --> 00:25:44,909
Wow, this kid got hit
really, really bad.
582
00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:46,977
It's almost a good thing
she did die immediately.
583
00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:49,112
Now, what about the
driver that hit her?
584
00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:51,315
Did she get hurt?
- Actually she did.
585
00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:53,117
She received facial lacerations
and she was transported
586
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,785
to the hospital for
medical treatment
587
00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,453
and was ultimately
arrested there
588
00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:57,687
for felony manslaughter.
589
00:25:57,689 --> 00:25:59,123
But according
to the records,
590
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,458
there was no indication
that she ever served time.
591
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,026
It looks like the case
just got dropped.
592
00:26:03,028 --> 00:26:04,194
It just went away.
593
00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:05,462
But there was no
justice for Alice,
594
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:06,930
'cause she never
served a day in jail.
595
00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:07,998
Correct.
596
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,272
There's a dead woman
with me right now.
597
00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:18,375
She's white, thin, she's young.
598
00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:21,011
She's probably,
like, in her 20s.
599
00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:23,480
She says --
She's trying to stop me.
600
00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,649
She doesn't want
to go back here.
601
00:26:25,651 --> 00:26:30,321
And she says, "Turn around,
you don't want this."
602
00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:32,256
And then she just
shows me blood.
603
00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:36,694
She has got blood all over
her, just fear, fear, fear.
604
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,367
I saw several horrifying
things during my walk,
605
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:45,970
but two stood out.
606
00:26:45,972 --> 00:26:49,339
First, the dead woman I saw
attacking a living person.
607
00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:54,645
The deceased female is
definitely a small build.
608
00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:58,181
She's always pushing
the living person's head
609
00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:01,118
and shoulder apart
610
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,622
and the person is miserable.
611
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,725
Next, I described how the
demon showed itself to me.
612
00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:11,995
It had really thick, black hair.
613
00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:17,200
The face was like a skull
without the jaw.
614
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,409
Amy,
is this what you saw?
615
00:27:26,411 --> 00:27:28,345
Yes, that's what I saw.
616
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,067
Now that Amy
and I have completed
617
00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:52,602
our investigations, we're
ready to reveal our findings
618
00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:56,673
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
619
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,442
Amy, I'd like you
to meet Nancy.
620
00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:01,145
She lives here alone and
was hoping to grow old
621
00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:03,814
and die in this house.
622
00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,417
She still thinks
she's gonna die,
623
00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:08,685
just sooner
than expected.
624
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,354
Nicole's
her longtime friend.
625
00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:12,089
She's really worried
about Nancy
626
00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:15,793
and thinks she's
in serious danger.
627
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:18,261
Now that Amy knows
a little bit about you guys,
628
00:28:18,263 --> 00:28:19,896
I'll ask her to
describe her walk.
629
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,404
The second I walked
onto your property,
630
00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:30,974
I could tell that
there's definitely
631
00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:35,045
environmental factors
that are at play here.
632
00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:38,115
The energy around this
property is so intense
633
00:28:38,117 --> 00:28:41,852
that I believe it would
be an attractive area
634
00:28:41,854 --> 00:28:45,121
for a sensitive to go to.
635
00:28:45,123 --> 00:28:47,157
It almost draws you in,
you're thinking,
636
00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:50,059
"Whoo, I feel good here,"
637
00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:53,397
but it's a false positive.
638
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:56,966
It's not actually good,
and the damage
639
00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,470
that it does to your
body is ridiculous.
640
00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:06,210
I did get that there were
at least two sensitives
641
00:29:06,212 --> 00:29:10,947
that were having experiences
in this location.
642
00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:13,483
I've been told
I'm an empath.
643
00:29:13,485 --> 00:29:15,218
Yeah, I can feel
when people die.
644
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:18,288
- Really? Ew.
- It's awful.
645
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:20,557
You feel like you have some
kind of sensitivity, don't you?
646
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,927
Yes, I have felt people
take their lives.
647
00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:25,428
You have to learn how
to kind of block it out,
648
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,897
but you get used to it.
649
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,633
- She doesn't want the gift.
- No, I don't.
650
00:29:29,635 --> 00:29:33,169
God bless you, girl,
but I don't want it.
651
00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:35,972
Because there's
open sensitives,
652
00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:40,778
it's drawing a lot of dead
from surrounding areas.
653
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,315
These are, like, shadow people.
654
00:29:45,317 --> 00:29:46,850
But they're dead people.
655
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:50,821
It's possible that living
people in the neighborhood,
656
00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:53,323
as well as here, have seen them.
657
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,191
Amy, Nancy told me
she sees
658
00:29:55,193 --> 00:29:57,995
shadow figures
outside her house.
659
00:29:57,997 --> 00:30:00,396
In the purple room,
there's windows,
660
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:02,799
and you could always
catch the tail end
661
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,434
of the guy going by
the window.
662
00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:06,403
Anybody's who's
stayed at my home,
663
00:30:06,405 --> 00:30:09,273
they would answer
the door, like, nonstop.
664
00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:10,741
And they were like,
"There's nobody here."
665
00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:13,076
Wow.
666
00:30:13,078 --> 00:30:16,413
This negative energy isn't
just drawing the dead in,
667
00:30:16,415 --> 00:30:20,717
it's also causing emotional
issues within the house.
668
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:23,086
Extreme mood changes
with the living
669
00:30:23,088 --> 00:30:25,756
and what it brought out
was sudden anger
670
00:30:25,758 --> 00:30:28,759
and being suddenly
enraged out of nowhere,
671
00:30:28,761 --> 00:30:33,296
and I literally felt
blood pressure going up,
672
00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:38,135
and feeling this want
to beat the...out of somebody.
673
00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,804
Nancy, tell Amy
how you've changed,
674
00:30:40,806 --> 00:30:42,906
as far as your
personality goes.
675
00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:45,776
Well, what you just described
is exactly what happens.
676
00:30:45,778 --> 00:30:50,580
I get, out of nowhere,
just that angry.
677
00:30:50,582 --> 00:30:56,219
Really angry, like I
want to kill my cat.
678
00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:57,554
Hands-clenched anger.
679
00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:59,689
And I am not that person.
680
00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:04,261
So what else?
681
00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:07,698
I saw five people sitting
on a couch together.
682
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,065
Then there were two more
683
00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:11,100
that were sitting
on a loveseat.
684
00:31:11,102 --> 00:31:12,269
They died together.
685
00:31:12,271 --> 00:31:15,339
And then I saw a male,
and he was, like,
686
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:19,276
in the back, in the shadows,
elongated, thin.
687
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:21,544
They all seemed
somehow to kind of
688
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,347
know each other
or be related.
689
00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:27,517
I think they're coming
to your home
690
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,152
trying to seek help.
691
00:31:29,154 --> 00:31:31,621
They would have died
within the last 60 years.
692
00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:33,823
It was all
violent deaths.
693
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:36,092
The only man
who could speak,
694
00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:38,295
I believe
he was bludgeoned
695
00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:42,231
or something with his head,
because it was horrible.
696
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:45,535
And then, when I walked
up to your front door,
697
00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:47,637
there was someone else
there, ready to kill.
698
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:51,575
It scares me.
699
00:31:51,577 --> 00:31:52,909
It sounds a lot
like the history
700
00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,945
I'm sure everybody at
this table knows about.
701
00:31:54,947 --> 00:31:57,981
- Right, the Manson family.
- Exactly.
702
00:31:57,983 --> 00:31:59,382
What you probably
didn't know is that
703
00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:01,718
in the summer of '69,
the Manson family actually
704
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,788
hid out about
2 miles from here.
705
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,524
This is --
I don't like this.
706
00:32:07,526 --> 00:32:09,459
When I went to meditate,
707
00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:12,896
I was witnessing the murder
of Sharon Tate.
708
00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,465
I was literally
freaking the...out.
709
00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:19,136
My God, I don't
know how you do this.
710
00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:24,307
Manson's hideout is very
close to your property.
711
00:32:24,309 --> 00:32:26,209
It's called Spahn Ranch.
712
00:32:26,211 --> 00:32:28,111
Well, Spahn Ranch
is where he gave
713
00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:31,281
all the orders for
the murders in '69.
714
00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:34,951
I got a couple of photos.
715
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,553
I'm sure you guys have
seen these before.
716
00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:42,959
They're on a rampage,
the family killed
717
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,796
a total of nine people,
plus an unborn baby.
718
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,366
5 people were killed
on August 8, 1969,
719
00:32:49,368 --> 00:32:53,436
which included Sharon Tate
and four others.
720
00:32:53,438 --> 00:32:55,172
The next night, two
more were murdered,
721
00:32:55,174 --> 00:32:58,108
Leno
and Rosemary LaBianca.
722
00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:58,975
Those murders happened
723
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,377
kind of far from here,
in the city,
724
00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:03,580
but one person was murdered
right at the ranch.
725
00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:06,249
Three weeks after
the Tate-LaBianca murders,
726
00:33:06,251 --> 00:33:08,118
Manson started
getting paranoid
727
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320
with somebody ratting him
out to the cops,
728
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,255
and he blamed
a local ranch hand,
729
00:33:12,257 --> 00:33:16,259
and it was a stunt guy
named Donald Shea.
730
00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:18,862
The family took this guy
out for a ride and beat him
731
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:22,098
over the head with a pipe and
then stabbed him to death.
732
00:33:23,268 --> 00:33:25,669
Then they dumped his
body in the hills
733
00:33:25,671 --> 00:33:27,937
2 miles from here.
734
00:33:27,939 --> 00:33:29,906
Now, do you think
the Manson family
735
00:33:29,908 --> 00:33:32,209
is who you saw roaming
around Nancy's property?
736
00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:33,443
I think it's the victims.
737
00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:36,012
- The victims.
- Yes.
738
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,448
They're seeking her
because she's a sensitive?
739
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,483
Yes, because
she's a sensitive, yes.
740
00:33:40,485 --> 00:33:42,085
I don't know
what to do with it.
741
00:33:42,087 --> 00:33:45,422
I've got dead people seeking
me, but I can't help.
742
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Anything else?
743
00:33:49,762 --> 00:33:51,428
I'm in the living room,
744
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,964
and I ran into
a dead older female.
745
00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:55,798
She was very tiny.
746
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,302
But, very big problem,
she has attached herself
747
00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:03,173
to a living person
and wants revenge.
748
00:34:03,175 --> 00:34:06,977
She was yelling that
she felt trapped
749
00:34:06,979 --> 00:34:09,445
by the living
people in the house.
750
00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:11,181
She is very physical.
751
00:34:11,183 --> 00:34:15,118
I felt bad pain
in my neck,
752
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,721
my upper back, my left
shoulder, and my stomach.
753
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:21,124
And then
she hit me in the head.
754
00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:24,528
Um, so I felt like
the living there
755
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:27,530
would definitely
have experiences
756
00:34:27,532 --> 00:34:30,367
with this female.
757
00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:32,735
Well, we've got a lot
to talk about here.
758
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,137
Tell her how you
wake up bruised.
759
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:37,874
Um, I get bruises,
legs or arms or, like,
760
00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:41,311
somebody's pressure
grabbed, you know?
761
00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:43,746
Now, Nicole, you've told
me about you getting...
762
00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:45,348
Hit, yeah.
763
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:48,018
I got hit in the neck
and I got hit in my hip.
764
00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:49,085
You know, I want to
ask you something.
765
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,620
Now, Nancy looks good.
766
00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,022
She looks healthy,
right?
767
00:34:52,024 --> 00:34:55,191
She has the health problems
of an 80-year-old person,
768
00:34:55,193 --> 00:34:56,493
and I'm wondering...
- Wow.
769
00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:58,762
...if it's related
to this old woman.
770
00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,898
I have primary progressive
multiple sclerosis.
771
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:05,101
I have a brain tumor.
- What?
772
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,104
I have -- there's
just a laundry list.
773
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,039
I mean...
- What?
774
00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:11,241
...going blind in my left eye.
775
00:35:11,243 --> 00:35:12,509
What?
776
00:35:12,511 --> 00:35:13,843
Sometimes I can't walk.
777
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:16,679
- Or even get up out of bed.
- Yeah.
778
00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:19,582
Whether you're aware
or not, you're a medium,
779
00:35:19,584 --> 00:35:23,052
but because you're not
protecting yourself,
780
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:28,624
you're still going
to absorb, um, deaths.
781
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,827
All right, so when
this old lady's attacking,
782
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:31,995
what's it look like?
783
00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:35,599
I did have a sketch
done of what I saw.
784
00:35:46,411 --> 00:35:48,278
You're not gonna
like this.
785
00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:01,558
And this is all the time?
786
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,959
All the time.
787
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,728
'Cause she lives
on your back.
788
00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:11,301
This is heavy.
I'm so sorry, Nancy.
789
00:36:15,574 --> 00:36:17,240
There was one more thing
790
00:36:17,242 --> 00:36:19,442
that I was
very worried about.
791
00:36:19,444 --> 00:36:22,178
I'm looking into the hall,
792
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,215
and there's this
little dark thing going by.
793
00:36:25,217 --> 00:36:26,850
About the size of a child.
794
00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,585
It has sharp nails.
795
00:36:29,587 --> 00:36:30,787
And it is evil.
796
00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:32,689
Pure...evil.
797
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:39,329
What I saw specifically was
what people call a demon,
798
00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:43,666
and all it wants to do
is cause harm, okay?
799
00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:46,035
I think that the living
might hear it breathing.
800
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,939
It does sound kind of like
a rattling when it breathes.
801
00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,407
It can also be physical.
802
00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:53,776
Saw that it caused
terrible nightmares.
803
00:36:53,778 --> 00:36:58,315
I don't see how you can
sleep in that house.
804
00:36:58,317 --> 00:37:00,216
Nancy, tell Amy about the
recurring nightmares you have.
805
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:04,754
I go up the stairs, I start
getting attacked by...
806
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:06,456
I don't know what it is.
807
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:10,026
When I wake up, I am
literally fighting,
808
00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:12,028
trying to pull
myself away from it.
809
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:14,030
The first time that I
had ever spent the night,
810
00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:15,832
I was being held
down by something
811
00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:19,602
that was literally
restraining me to the bed.
812
00:37:19,604 --> 00:37:20,971
I was so scared.
813
00:37:20,973 --> 00:37:24,040
I knew I was gonna die.
814
00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:26,109
Okay, did you get
a good look at it?
815
00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,078
I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
816
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,916
Oof.
817
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,255
My God.
818
00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,658
This is so scary.
819
00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:46,596
What the hell is that?
820
00:37:51,136 --> 00:37:54,137
That is the creepiest thing.
821
00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:57,673
This makes me...
it makes me angry,
822
00:37:57,675 --> 00:38:01,277
and I feel so bad for you.
823
00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,979
I don't even know what
to say about this,
824
00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:06,449
and it's not even human, so how
am I supposed to fight this?
825
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,950
Well, you know, she
basically turned out
826
00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:09,953
and told me, "I feel whatever's
here is gonna kill me."
827
00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:12,021
I mean,
is this a possibility?
828
00:38:12,023 --> 00:38:14,290
Well, yeah,
that's what I think.
829
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:16,826
My God.
830
00:38:16,828 --> 00:38:18,995
That is so scary.
831
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:22,632
This is awful.
832
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,234
This is my first house.
833
00:38:25,236 --> 00:38:28,504
I was excited,
I bought it by myself,
834
00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:32,509
and I just thought I was
gonna be there forever.
835
00:38:51,196 --> 00:38:54,930
Well, Nancy, you've been
through hell and then some.
836
00:38:54,932 --> 00:38:56,966
I was hoping we would have
better news for you tonight,
837
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,468
but now I'm gonna answer
your big question.
838
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:59,969
Can you stay here?
839
00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:02,005
And if so,
what's it gonna take?
840
00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,740
And for that answer, I'm
gonna turn it over to Amy.
841
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:11,748
I think
you know what's coming.
842
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:16,185
You absolutely just
can't stay here.
843
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,854
The environmental factors
alone,
844
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:22,625
and what it has done
to your body,
845
00:39:22,627 --> 00:39:24,894
and what it would continue
to do to your body,
846
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:28,164
it's just
not healthy for you.
847
00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,535
So with that being said,
the first thing
848
00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:35,538
I'd like you to do
is to relocate.
849
00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:43,379
The second thing that
you need to do is to have
850
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:47,517
a reiki master and
a psychic knower come
851
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:53,022
on the day that you're going
to leave the house forever.
852
00:39:53,024 --> 00:39:57,326
The reiki master needs
to remove the dead woman
853
00:39:57,328 --> 00:39:58,528
from your back
854
00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:01,731
and then proceed
to cut all attachments.
855
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:05,802
Once she's removed,
then the psychic knower
856
00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:10,940
will then get her
gone, moved over.
857
00:40:10,942 --> 00:40:16,312
This is gonna be difficult.
858
00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:23,353
Listen, you can do
everything you're doing
859
00:40:23,355 --> 00:40:24,720
at this house
someplace else.
860
00:40:24,722 --> 00:40:26,755
Yeah.
861
00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,291
I know it's not what
you want to hear, Nancy,
862
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:30,393
but you cannot get
any worse than this.
863
00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:33,496
This is horrific
and terrifying,
864
00:40:33,498 --> 00:40:35,832
and you can live the rest
of your life sick,
865
00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:38,201
or you can take a chance
and maybe start over.
866
00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:42,305
You can do this.
867
00:40:42,307 --> 00:40:44,473
You're near death.
You understand that, right?
868
00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:46,442
This ain't a joke.
869
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:47,644
My God.
870
00:40:47,646 --> 00:40:48,978
I just didn't know
how bad it was.
871
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:50,679
I know it's a hard
pill to swallow,
872
00:40:50,681 --> 00:40:52,382
and it's a lot to
ask of you right now,
873
00:40:52,384 --> 00:40:53,783
but are you gonna
take a word of advice
874
00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:56,252
and get the hell out
of this freaking place?
875
00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:58,454
God.
876
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,933
Yes.
- Okay.
877
00:41:09,935 --> 00:41:11,800
- You gonna help her out, Nicole?
- Of course.
878
00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:13,069
I've always been there
for her.
879
00:41:13,071 --> 00:41:14,237
We got a start.
880
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,906
We got a compass now,
we got a start,
881
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,609
and we'll get you
through it.
882
00:41:19,611 --> 00:41:22,378
I'm sure I can
find another place.
883
00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:29,485
Thank you.
884
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,453
It's never easy
telling someone
885
00:41:31,455 --> 00:41:32,988
they need to leave their home.
886
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:35,691
But in this case,
it's the only option.
887
00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:38,361
If Nancy does move
out and gets the help
888
00:41:38,363 --> 00:41:40,997
of a reiki master
and a psychic knower,
889
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:43,699
she can free herself
of negative attachments
890
00:41:43,701 --> 00:41:46,035
and begin a fresh
start someplace new.
891
00:41:46,085 --> 00:41:50,635
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