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There is a dead dude...
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he is freaking out.
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There was a force
that smashed my face
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I'm sorry.
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It is trying to kill us.
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She had been hit multiple
times in the head.
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I'm seeing, like,
flesh being, like, opened.
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Somebody is going to die
in this house.
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This is like Grand Central
Station for the dead.
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Panic...
Panic... Panic.
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My name, Amy Allen.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people.
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Okay,
she doesn't like it in there.
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And they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner,
I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now, does he die right there
on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Did you ever get touched like
that again?
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But Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I'm as stunned as you guys are.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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I don't want anything to
happen to my daughter.
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Or time to get out.
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His goal is to kill you guys.
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I'm out here in
Marshalltown, Iowa
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It's about an hour
outside of Des Moines.
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I got a call from a
woman named Kelly.
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Now, she sounded pretty
bad, but get this-
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Her and her husband
are both professional paranormal investigators.
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Now, you'd think they
wouldn't need our help,
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but Kelly says she's in
way over her head.
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Whatever is in that house
is going to
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take one of them out
unless we can do something fast.
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Before Amy arrives I look for
any leading information--
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religious icons,
family photographs,
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and even medical equipment
can influence her findings
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so it's important to cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm finished the location
will be ready to tonight's walk.
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A lot of things that were
negative happened here.
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Bad things happened
with living people here
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and the house took it on,
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and the energy
that's left here
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is too chaotic.
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Kelly, it sounds like you've
got a pretty bad situation.
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Um, tell me what's happening.
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We are being physically
attacked in the house.
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Our health is declining.
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We are desperate...we need
you and Amy to help us.
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You have to wait a minute.
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Take this.
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I'm Sorry.
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Don't be sorry.
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You okay to go on?
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Yes.
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All right-- so Kelly,
who lives in the house?
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This is me, my husband Mike,
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and our youngest son, Chris
who is 29.
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Is everybody in the
house being affected?
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I think I'm getting the brunt
of the physical attacks.
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But I think Chris is
getting mentally affected.
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What do you mean?
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I've watched Chris' personality
change since we've been here.
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Usually he's very pleasant
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but sometimes
he just gets very angry.
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Do me a favor and give
me a run down on what you guys are experiencing.
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We are hearing
disembodied voices,
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shadow figures
and apparitions.
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We're being
physically attacked,
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and our health
is declining.
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I got to address the 800
pound gorilla in the room.
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You guys are paranormal
investigators.
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Yeah.
Why can't you fix this?
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Every time we try
it just gets worse
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It's like a doctor
getting sick
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and not being able
to heal himself.
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Now, it sounds like
you're going through a pretty tough time here.
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Why don't you just sell
the freaking house and leave?
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I don't want to give up.
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Every room in this house
means something to us. Okay.
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I'm fearful that...
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that somebody
is going to die
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in this house.
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I'm sorry.
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Everybody needs help
once in a while, okay?
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We do need help.
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There's a lot
of dead people here
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who didn't necessarily
die here,
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so I'm thinking that someone
drawing them in
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leads me to believe
medium on site.
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Whoever is here doesn't know
how to help them.
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And I hear from
this living person
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"No time for this...too tired"
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This living person already
does a lot for others.
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It's like I can't ever
not be helping people
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whether living,
dead, whatever.
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So Kelly it's never
really good when people take me to a staircase.
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So, what's going on?
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If I stay in this area
I get a tight pressure
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on the outside of my head.
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I know you're on
a lot of medication.
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You sure it's not
a side effect?
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I don't take any medicines that
have side effects like that.
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Anything else physical
happen to you?
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There was a force that smashed
my face into the step.
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One these steps right here?
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Yes.
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Geez.
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That is from something
smashing me into the step.
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This is pretty bad.
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Kelly, I've got to play
devil's advocate here.
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You sure you didn't just
lose your balance and fall?
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I've fallen many times.
Okay.
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And there was a big difference
in the way that I fell.
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Anything else?
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I was in the refrigerator
getting a drink.
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Okay.
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It was like 3 fingers,
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pinched and pushed me
out of the refrigerator.
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It really looked like
a burn or a brand.
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Did it stay on your
body for a while?
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It did-- for 3 or 4 hours.
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Boy.
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There's a dead dude in there.
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He is just freaking the...out.
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He's moving so fast
he's literally just blurs.
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I think the living would be
affected by his emotional state.
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In what way?
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He could cause physical harm.
He is a cutter or a burner.
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He likes to hit people in
the head to cause headaches.
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He puts off all of these
different emotions.
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Extreme agitation,
outbursts of violence.
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Mostly anger--
that feeling doesn't really go away here, and it's scary.
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Steve, I need to sit down.
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Go ahead...
you okay?
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There you go.
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Comfortable?
Mmhm.
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So, what's going on in here.
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I've seen a black shadow figure.
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Describe the black figure
for me.
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No arms, no legs,
no eyes, no facial - nothing
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And I could see through it.
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And as soon as I looked at it
and made eye contact with it,
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it went away.
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Anything else?
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When I'm laying in bed
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the sheets get tugged on
and pulled off the bed.
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How the hell are you
sleeping at night?
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I don't.
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If it's not tugging
on the sheets or the bedspread
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it's poking me
and pinching me,
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and tapping on the bottom
of the bed.
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It's constant--
all night long.
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Do you think those
investigations that you do
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maybe you brought
something here?
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It is possible.
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That something is
trying to communicate with me in this house.
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With all this going on, how the
hell are you handling it?
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I'm not handling it.
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The stress and the
anxiety are overwhelming
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That's why
I need you guys here. Okay.
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Medium is in here.
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It is a female...
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It gets very bad
in here sometimes.
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This is like Grand Central
Station for the dead.
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There's a bunch
of random dead that
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try to come in here, and so
that causes stress and chaos.
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They hear things--
they see things.
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What kind of specific
experiences might they have?
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I think that they would hear
many people talking at the same time.
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They would feel many
people in the room
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if not even see some of them.
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Feel their bed being shaken.
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I think that most nights this
person doesn't get any sleep
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I think this person has tried
to ignore her abilities.
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What's going to happen
to this medium
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if they don't deal
with their abilities?
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It can lead to panic attacks.
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The person can get, like,
violently ill and start producig vomiting,
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and the heart
can be affected.
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I don't like this.
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So Mike, I was talking
to your wife earlier
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and she told me some horrible
things that she's going through.
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Yes.
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You must be worried about her.
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Very much worried--
she's scared.
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She's being terrorized
in her own home,
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and there's nothing I can do.
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So Mike, I know you're
part of the paranormal team.
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What's your role in it?
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I videotape-- I also help
to review the evidence,
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and try and decide
whether it's legitimate
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paranormal activity
or can it be debunked.
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So, have you had experiences
in the house?
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There's some things that
happened that I don't have explanations for.
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Okay, like what?
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I was scratched once.
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You have a dog.
Yes.
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All right. Is it possible
the dog could have did it?
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I don't think
that's a possibility.
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Okay so, you've been scratched,
anything else?
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There's an attic door
that's about 6 to 8 feet away from our bedroom door,
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and occasionally it would just
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kind of creep open on its own.
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Activity got to be
to the point where
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I finally just kind of put
a latch on the door so it would stay shut.
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Do you think you guys
maybe brought something from an investigation?
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I think it's possible.
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So, what if Amy does tell you
you guys gotta leave?
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I don't want to leave--
we love this house.
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I'm going to push Amy
to give us some other options.
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We want to fight--
we want to stay.
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There's a dead lady
who is all in black.
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This is her house
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She is pretending that
she has a life here.
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Does she do anything
to the living?
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The living here
would hear conversations
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her walking around.
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They would hear her laughing,
crying, yelling.
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The lady that's all in black--
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she likes this area.
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So, I think the living would
see, like, all this blackness.
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There's a threat I think she
feels it's a male
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that's the threat.
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I think she might have
issues with males in general.
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She is pretty aggressive.
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She is trying to keep people
away so she can be bad
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and be killing people.
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So Chris, I was talking
to your mom earlier.
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She's convinced that your
personality has changed.
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Do you agree with that at all?
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I think theirs have.
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Okay, so you think that your
parents are the ones who have changed.
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What do you mean?
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They get agitated.
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It's always just bickering,
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and I can't take it anymore.
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That's funny because that's
what they're sayin' about you.
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Yeah.
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The paranormal activity that's
going on in the house,
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do you believe it's happening
to your mom?
253
00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:33,344
I don't disbelieve it,
254
00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:35,346
but I haven't experienced
any of it.
255
00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:36,681
You've had no experiences
at all?
256
00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:38,349
Nothing.
Not a single one.
257
00:13:38,351 --> 00:13:41,619
You're not...and trying to be
like "Nothing happens to me."
258
00:13:41,754 --> 00:13:44,289
No. I've been here
longer than anyone.
259
00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:46,157
I'm here more often
than anyone,
260
00:13:46,292 --> 00:13:48,026
but I've not experienced
anything.
261
00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:50,294
But you do believe your mom
is going through something?
262
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,962
Yeah, I believe that.
263
00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,431
I don't know why she'd lie.
264
00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,165
You know,
talking to your mom,
265
00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:57,234
all she was saying was
she was worried about you.
266
00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:59,170
Most people should
be worried about her.
267
00:14:03,109 --> 00:14:06,677
The dead lady
does sleep in here.
268
00:14:06,746 --> 00:14:09,313
She's bothering somebody
in here-- a living person.
269
00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:11,515
This is not good.
270
00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,517
She's reaching down grabbing
this person
271
00:14:13,553 --> 00:14:16,521
and literally
sucking the life out of them.
272
00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:21,325
Is this living person aware of
what she's doing?
273
00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:23,327
Yes and no.
274
00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:26,997
That person thinks
that they're having
275
00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:30,335
a good experience with her
but its not.
276
00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:39,277
So Nikki, I understand you're
Kelly's daughter.
277
00:14:39,412 --> 00:14:40,678
Mmhm...yes.
278
00:14:40,747 --> 00:14:43,815
The times that you've spent
here, have you had any experiences?
279
00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:45,650
Something always
follows me upstairs.
280
00:14:45,752 --> 00:14:47,284
I won't go up there.
281
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,620
I feel like it will
push you down the steps.
282
00:14:49,656 --> 00:14:51,388
I feel that.
283
00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:52,824
So you feel it's a he?
284
00:14:52,826 --> 00:14:54,692
Yeah.
285
00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:56,160
Okay, anything else happen to
you while you were here?
286
00:14:56,229 --> 00:14:58,096
Something scratched me.
287
00:14:58,098 --> 00:15:00,698
It was four scratch marks
and they were about this long...
288
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,500
and they were all red.
289
00:15:02,502 --> 00:15:04,001
Did they stay for a while?
Did they go away?
290
00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,637
A couple of days later I had,
like, a scab on all of them.
291
00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:10,908
She mentioned your
brother has changed a lot since he's been here.
292
00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:12,377
Have you noticed that?
293
00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:13,844
Yeah.
294
00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,314
He has big outbursts,
and then he'll come back downstairs
295
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,716
an hour later--
he's fine.
296
00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:20,318
So, do you think
its something in the house influencing him?
297
00:15:20,387 --> 00:15:22,786
I believe so.
He gets very angry.
298
00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,857
Your mom...she doesn't seem
too healthy
299
00:15:25,992 --> 00:15:27,258
and she's a young woman still.
300
00:15:27,393 --> 00:15:29,460
That's happened since she moved
into the house.
301
00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:30,929
She feels like something
in this house
302
00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:33,798
is going to eventually
try to kill her.
303
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,401
I knew it was bad,
but I didn't think it was that bad.
304
00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:38,535
I want her to move.
305
00:15:38,571 --> 00:15:42,740
I hope she understands
that she means a lot to us.
306
00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:44,608
I always feel like
I'm the oldest child
307
00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:48,012
and I need to be the one there
to protect her, and I can't.
308
00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:53,217
I hope you guys can help her out
and get my mom back.
309
00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:55,620
My kids need their
grandmother alive.
310
00:15:59,025 --> 00:16:01,826
This dead lady is really
fixed on the male here.
311
00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:05,896
Do you have any idea
what it is about this person?
312
00:16:05,898 --> 00:16:07,698
I think she does prefer
younger people.
313
00:16:07,767 --> 00:16:09,834
How would this affect them?
314
00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:16,507
I think it would make them
sick-- drained, depressed,
315
00:16:16,576 --> 00:16:22,646
and after some time would
get progressively sicker.
316
00:16:22,716 --> 00:16:25,783
She is weakening them, and
she is trying to kill them.
317
00:16:41,918 --> 00:16:42,984
So, I always start
my investigation
318
00:16:42,986 --> 00:16:45,052
by calling a bunch on
a bunch of the locals--
319
00:16:45,121 --> 00:16:46,854
cops, reporters,
genealogists.
320
00:16:46,923 --> 00:16:48,389
In this case, it's paid off.
321
00:16:48,491 --> 00:16:49,991
I'm heading over
to meet an historian
322
00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:53,093
who says one of the original
owners of Kelly and Mike's land
323
00:16:53,129 --> 00:16:55,496
was a faith healer
who is responsible
324
00:16:55,498 --> 00:16:57,298
for the deaths
of some of his followers.
325
00:17:03,173 --> 00:17:06,006
Now, you mentioned on the phone
that my client's property
326
00:17:06,042 --> 00:17:07,575
used to be owned
by a faith healer.
327
00:17:07,677 --> 00:17:09,043
Who was this guy?
328
00:17:09,178 --> 00:17:10,478
His name was Kendall Roberts.
329
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,846
He was a farmer.
330
00:17:11,848 --> 00:17:14,048
He was married to a young woman
by the name of Angie Braddock.
331
00:17:14,183 --> 00:17:15,549
Okay.
332
00:17:15,684 --> 00:17:17,919
Somewhere in the 1880s
he became the head of
333
00:17:18,021 --> 00:17:20,788
the Christian Science movement
in the Marshalltown area.
334
00:17:20,857 --> 00:17:22,656
One of the tenants of the
Christian Science
335
00:17:22,692 --> 00:17:26,227
is that disease
is really a myth,
336
00:17:26,296 --> 00:17:33,067
so he spent his time trying
to cure people by prayer.
337
00:17:33,202 --> 00:17:35,369
Does he have any kind
of medical background?
338
00:17:35,438 --> 00:17:37,371
He has no formal
medical training.
339
00:17:37,373 --> 00:17:39,640
What happens is
he's so involved in this traveling around
340
00:17:39,642 --> 00:17:41,843
that people started
to think of him as a doctor
341
00:17:41,978 --> 00:17:43,678
and referred
to him as a doctor.
342
00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:47,748
But, unfortunately, several
people died under his care.
343
00:17:47,784 --> 00:17:50,083
Does he get charged
with any kind of crime?
344
00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,454
Yes, there are three instances
where he was charged
345
00:17:53,589 --> 00:17:56,023
and not found guilty.
346
00:17:56,025 --> 00:17:57,457
Let me get this straight.
347
00:17:57,494 --> 00:18:00,528
This guy gets charged 3 times
for people dying under his care
348
00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:03,731
with this prayer stuff,
but he gets off? Yes.
349
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,732
So, now how's his wife
dealing with it?
350
00:18:05,769 --> 00:18:07,535
We have to assume
she was embarrassed.
351
00:18:07,537 --> 00:18:10,671
And on top of that, she has
her own personal tragedies
352
00:18:10,807 --> 00:18:12,773
that she has to cope with.
353
00:18:12,842 --> 00:18:13,875
Okay, which is what?
354
00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:16,410
The death of two
of her small children.
355
00:18:16,446 --> 00:18:18,779
One child dies in 1891,
an infant daughter.
356
00:18:18,848 --> 00:18:24,218
In 1896, her three year old son
dies choking on a button.
357
00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:25,586
Geez.
358
00:18:25,588 --> 00:18:27,488
Okay, when did they wind up
on my client's property?
359
00:18:27,557 --> 00:18:29,757
They moved in there,
I think, in 1918.
360
00:18:29,892 --> 00:18:31,959
They weren't there
all that long.
361
00:18:31,995 --> 00:18:36,430
In 1922, Angie dies in your
client's house of breast cancer.
362
00:18:39,335 --> 00:18:40,901
What about him?
363
00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:43,971
He actually dies of kidney
failure in 1923.
364
00:18:43,973 --> 00:18:46,006
So those prayers didn't
help him out.
365
00:18:46,075 --> 00:18:47,475
No.
366
00:18:52,582 --> 00:18:57,918
This weirdo dead lady...
she ain't so mentally sound, this one.
367
00:18:57,954 --> 00:18:59,720
Can you tell me anything about
her from life?
368
00:18:59,823 --> 00:19:02,657
She lived here at some point.
369
00:19:02,659 --> 00:19:04,992
I know she was married.
370
00:19:05,028 --> 00:19:08,328
She drags around this dead kid
about 5 years of age,
371
00:19:08,364 --> 00:19:10,998
and then a dead baby
in her right arm.
372
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:15,369
They died,
and she lost her mind.
373
00:19:15,438 --> 00:19:21,142
She had a mental breakdown
374
00:19:21,144 --> 00:19:23,444
I think she died
in the 20s, 1920s--
375
00:19:23,446 --> 00:19:25,212
Do you know how she died?
376
00:19:25,281 --> 00:19:27,214
I'm thinking like cancer.
377
00:19:27,283 --> 00:19:30,051
Yeah, this is not
a good situation.
378
00:19:34,924 --> 00:19:38,025
All right, so I just spoke
to a local cop, and he sounds like a real stand up guy.
379
00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:39,961
He went digging through
the files for me
380
00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,964
and found two murders
that happened right near Kelly's house.
381
00:19:49,272 --> 00:19:51,038
So Adrian, on the phone you
mentioned this homicide
382
00:19:51,173 --> 00:19:53,207
took place right near
my client's property.
383
00:19:53,342 --> 00:19:55,509
What can you tell me about it?
384
00:19:55,612 --> 00:19:57,177
The victims name
was Susan Vickers.
385
00:19:57,213 --> 00:19:58,512
She was 31 years old.
386
00:19:58,648 --> 00:20:00,514
She was a single mom
of three kids.
387
00:20:00,550 --> 00:20:03,918
She lived
a couple of blocks away from your client's property.
388
00:20:03,987 --> 00:20:06,320
Tell me what happens the night
she gets murdered.
389
00:20:06,389 --> 00:20:08,456
On August 22,1980
390
00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:11,158
she left on foot
to the Iowa Veterans Home
391
00:20:11,261 --> 00:20:13,260
where she worked.
392
00:20:13,263 --> 00:20:15,996
She never showed up
for her 11 p.m. shift.
393
00:20:16,032 --> 00:20:19,900
She was found later on
that evening on the grounds
394
00:20:19,936 --> 00:20:22,736
of the Iowa Veterans Home
in the cemetery.
395
00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:25,740
I've got Susan's death
certificate right here.
396
00:20:29,846 --> 00:20:31,679
She had been hit multiple times
in the head.
397
00:20:31,681 --> 00:20:33,948
How close did this happen
to my client's property?
398
00:20:34,017 --> 00:20:37,851
It actually took place
about 2,200 feet from your client's property.
399
00:20:37,887 --> 00:20:40,888
Did they make a collar?
Did they like anybody? What happened?
400
00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:42,690
Well, they had a suspect
at the time.
401
00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:45,025
His name was Jerry Sumter, Jr.
402
00:20:45,061 --> 00:20:47,227
All right, so where's this
scumbag now?
403
00:20:47,263 --> 00:20:48,963
He was sentenced
to life in prison.
404
00:20:52,135 --> 00:20:55,870
I almost feel like there's
a beating happening.
405
00:20:55,872 --> 00:20:58,305
I'm getting pain,
like, here really bad.
406
00:20:58,341 --> 00:21:06,380
I'm feeling a female--
I'm just hearing a woman crying and yelling.
407
00:21:06,382 --> 00:21:08,415
She was younger,
maybe 20s.
408
00:21:08,417 --> 00:21:12,586
I'm feeling impact
to the mid section.
409
00:21:12,722 --> 00:21:18,492
And then I'm, like, seeing,
like, flesh being, like, opened.
410
00:21:21,497 --> 00:21:24,665
The guy doing it to her
he had PTSD,
411
00:21:24,734 --> 00:21:30,804
and something was
wrong with his mind as well.
412
00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:33,407
I think he murdered her.
413
00:21:36,179 --> 00:21:38,346
All right, so tell me
about the next murder?
414
00:21:38,481 --> 00:21:41,415
The victim's name
is Richard Tassler,
415
00:21:41,451 --> 00:21:44,685
and he's a 43-year-old native
of Marshalltown.
416
00:21:44,687 --> 00:21:47,621
He lived a couple
of blocks away from your client's property.
417
00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:50,891
He was involved
in the drug trade.
418
00:21:51,026 --> 00:21:53,160
All right.
So, what happened?
419
00:21:53,295 --> 00:21:55,629
On April 24, 1986,
420
00:21:55,698 --> 00:21:57,498
he's on the way to
his parents house.
421
00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:59,433
That's the last time
he was ever seen.
422
00:21:59,469 --> 00:22:00,968
Okay.
Did they ever make an arrest?
423
00:22:01,037 --> 00:22:02,036
Yes.
424
00:22:02,105 --> 00:22:04,071
His name was Joel Smitherman,
425
00:22:04,073 --> 00:22:08,042
and he was locally involved
in the drug trade as well,
426
00:22:08,044 --> 00:22:11,978
and he was also the last person
that was seen with Tassler.
427
00:22:12,015 --> 00:22:13,847
Did they find the body?
428
00:22:13,883 --> 00:22:17,785
Yes. They exhumed Tassler's body
on Smitherman's property.
429
00:22:17,854 --> 00:22:21,155
I've got his death certificate
here for you.
430
00:22:24,293 --> 00:22:25,926
All right-- multiple gun shot
wounds to the head.
431
00:22:25,995 --> 00:22:27,661
Okay. Does he ever get
convicted of it?
432
00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:30,731
Yeah. He got life in prison
and he's been
433
00:22:30,733 --> 00:22:32,466
in the Iowa State
Penitentiary ever since.
434
00:22:35,938 --> 00:22:39,773
I'm seeing a big guy
who is kinda roundish,
435
00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:44,545
and I would put him
probably being in his 30s.
436
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,747
Maybe early 40s.
437
00:22:46,816 --> 00:22:52,086
All his clothes are really
dirty, and he was a hobo con ma.
438
00:22:52,088 --> 00:22:55,022
It seemed like he bought land
439
00:22:55,091 --> 00:22:57,157
or got land here
440
00:22:57,226 --> 00:23:00,828
and he was actually
trying to get his...together.
441
00:23:00,963 --> 00:23:03,931
and then I felt like
I was being get choked.
442
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,437
And then I know there
was a gun in my mouth
443
00:23:09,539 --> 00:23:11,038
all the way
shoved in there.
444
00:23:11,107 --> 00:23:14,909
And then,
lights out for him.
445
00:23:14,911 --> 00:23:16,377
He says that
"The ground ate him."
446
00:23:19,248 --> 00:23:21,849
And so, I'm thinking they just
buried him on the land.
447
00:23:30,125 --> 00:23:32,059
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450
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451
00:23:49,162 --> 00:23:51,761
So far, I've got clients being
physically assaulted in a house
452
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:53,497
where a faith healer lived,
453
00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:55,766
on a property near the site of
two grizzly murders,
454
00:23:55,868 --> 00:23:58,535
but I want to see
if there is anything else.
455
00:23:58,537 --> 00:24:02,639
Searching through old records
I find a tragic fire
456
00:24:02,708 --> 00:24:04,308
that took the life
of a young man.
457
00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:08,112
Turns out, it happened
less than a mile from Kelly and Mike's property.
458
00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:11,949
So I got a genealogist looking
into his death for me,
459
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:13,784
but he says there's
a lot more to the story.
460
00:24:13,886 --> 00:24:18,656
Turns out the victim's dad
used to own my client's property, and get this.
461
00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:22,293
He also had a pretty
unforgettable run as the mayor of the city.
462
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:30,968
Well Marty, I appreciate you
looking into this death for me.
463
00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:32,736
What were you able to find out?
464
00:24:32,772 --> 00:24:34,705
Well Steve,
we're talking about
465
00:24:34,774 --> 00:24:36,907
a young man by the name
of Ross Ingledue.
466
00:24:36,976 --> 00:24:38,876
Ross was the son of a very
popular mayor here
467
00:24:38,945 --> 00:24:42,346
in Marshalltown by the name
of Oliver Ingledue.
468
00:24:42,448 --> 00:24:46,283
Steve, Mayor Ingledue
and his son Ross are just buried right over here.
469
00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:49,353
So they were buried together.
470
00:24:49,455 --> 00:24:50,821
Yes.
471
00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,155
So, tell me about
this deadly fire.
472
00:24:52,225 --> 00:24:55,225
Ross was also very active
in the local fire department
473
00:24:55,294 --> 00:25:00,231
In 1903, he was fighting
a very large fire in the center of town,
474
00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:04,634
just about a half a mile
from the property you're talking about.
475
00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:07,370
Ross and his colleagues
were able to put the out, but they suffered
476
00:25:07,406 --> 00:25:09,306
long-term health issues
with it?
477
00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:11,642
All right so with these health
effects, what happened to him?
478
00:25:11,711 --> 00:25:14,578
The result of the fire
was he suffered lung damage
479
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:17,781
leading to tuberculosis and
passed away four years later.
480
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,383
I have a copy of his
register of the death.
481
00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:22,686
All right.
So, he was a young guy?
482
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:24,188
Yeah, 24 years old.
483
00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,326
Boy. There's this burning.
484
00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,662
I don't know if it's,
like, the whole place
485
00:25:31,797 --> 00:25:34,731
or just this person somehow.
486
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,068
Somebody did, they did--
they died in the fire.
487
00:25:38,137 --> 00:25:41,105
I think it's a male.
488
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,273
Terrible, terrible, terrible.
489
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,809
All right. So, now the kid dies.
What happens?
490
00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:48,212
Well, shortly after
Ross Ingledue dies,
491
00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:52,282
his father Oliver Ingledue
buys your client's property
492
00:25:52,318 --> 00:25:55,885
and that's the same time that he
wins re-election as mayor.
493
00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:58,155
Steve, here's a photo
of Mayor Ingledue.
494
00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:01,492
All right. You mentioned
on the phone that this guy
495
00:26:01,494 --> 00:26:02,893
had a pretty colorful mayorship.
496
00:26:02,962 --> 00:26:03,761
Yes.
497
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,130
He had his own sense
of lawmaking.
498
00:26:06,265 --> 00:26:08,798
A very, very corrupt individual.
499
00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:10,634
When you say "corruption",
what are we talking about?
500
00:26:10,703 --> 00:26:13,637
It was still prohibition,
and Mayor Ingledue
501
00:26:13,772 --> 00:26:15,572
was still
allowing alcohol to be served.
502
00:26:15,641 --> 00:26:19,542
So, the Feds sent an agent in
and Mayor Ingledue
503
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,579
had that agent thrown in jail
on bogus charges.
504
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:25,349
All right.
What happens to this guy?
505
00:26:25,418 --> 00:26:27,384
In 1923, he passed away
506
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:30,554
of complications from diabetes.
507
00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:33,323
Here's a copy of
his death certificate.
508
00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:34,992
So, he died pretty young--
he was 61.
509
00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:37,261
Yes.
510
00:26:39,665 --> 00:26:41,732
I'm seeing
the blurry dead guy again.
511
00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:43,200
Do you have any idea
why he's here?
512
00:26:43,202 --> 00:26:46,937
I think he lived
here at some point.
513
00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,642
I feel like he's older,
age-wise, and definitely didn't die well.
514
00:26:54,213 --> 00:27:01,552
He feels physically sick, dizzy,
panicked. I don't like him.
515
00:27:01,554 --> 00:27:03,954
I feel like he's bad.
516
00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:05,956
He had a lot of
problems, you know?
517
00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,825
I think he did bad things.
518
00:27:15,401 --> 00:27:17,534
I saw several disturbing
things during my walk,
519
00:27:17,603 --> 00:27:19,703
but, two had me
really concerned.
520
00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:22,206
First, the group of dead
in the master bedroom.
521
00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:24,641
There were a lot of dead people
in the room.
522
00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:27,177
They want to talk to the
living person in the bed.
523
00:27:27,246 --> 00:27:29,780
There's a conflict
between them.
524
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:34,051
And then the living
person in the bed is just like freaking out.
525
00:27:34,053 --> 00:27:38,789
Next, I describe the dead lady
tormenting the living person.
526
00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:43,260
I was upstairs
in a very small room
527
00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:47,130
and she, like,
comes from the ceiling.
528
00:27:47,199 --> 00:27:50,267
She kind of hangs from
the ceiling.
529
00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,469
And she also happens
to always carry around
530
00:27:52,571 --> 00:27:54,905
these, like, shells
of these dead children.
531
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:05,548
Amy, is this what you saw?
532
00:28:05,584 --> 00:28:06,583
Yes.
533
00:28:26,806 --> 00:28:29,005
Now that Amy and
I have completed our own investigations
534
00:28:29,075 --> 00:28:31,408
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
535
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:34,277
and our clients
for the first time.
536
00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:36,814
So Amy, this is Kelly
and her husband, Mike.
537
00:28:36,949 --> 00:28:39,383
They live here with
their adult son, Chris...
538
00:28:39,518 --> 00:28:44,321
who is right here
in the photo.
539
00:28:44,423 --> 00:28:46,022
This is Nikki,
Kelly's daughter.
540
00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:48,224
She lives nearby.
541
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,027
Now, these are not
our typical clients.
542
00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:53,430
Kelly and Mike
are professional paranormal investigators
543
00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:55,765
so you can imagine
things are really bad
544
00:28:55,801 --> 00:28:57,834
if they couldn't fix things
themselves.
545
00:28:57,903 --> 00:28:59,570
That's why
they called us in for help.
546
00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:01,505
Now that Amy knows a little bit
about you guys
547
00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:02,873
I'll ask her to describe
her walk through.
548
00:29:06,712 --> 00:29:09,679
One of the first individuals
that I came into contact with
549
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:14,852
was a male-- I would put him
in his '30s or 40s.
550
00:29:14,987 --> 00:29:19,323
He told me he was a
hobo and a con man.
551
00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:23,193
He wasn't a great person
for most of his life.
552
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,929
But that he had been trying to
turn his life around.
553
00:29:25,965 --> 00:29:29,866
But, unfortunately he ended up
getting murdered.
554
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:33,937
Initially, I felt that
he was being choked,
555
00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:37,441
and then I felt, actually,
a gun in my mouth,
556
00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:40,443
and then it was lights out.
557
00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:43,880
I believe he was buried while
he was still in his body.
558
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:46,583
He said the ground ate him.
559
00:29:46,652 --> 00:29:49,852
So now, the guy
you're describing sounds a lot
560
00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:51,554
like somebody I came across
doing my research.
561
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:53,624
This guys name
was Richard Tassler.
562
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,492
He was a 43-year-old local guy.
563
00:29:55,494 --> 00:29:56,960
He lived a couple of blocks
from here, actually.
564
00:29:57,095 --> 00:30:00,363
He wasn't a hobo, but he was
definitely a con man.
565
00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:02,766
Tassler was involved
in the drug trade in town.
566
00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:06,336
On April 24, 1986
he goes missing.
567
00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,939
Four years later the cops
got an anonymous tip
568
00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,642
that Tassler was
buried on a farm 15 miles from here.
569
00:30:11,744 --> 00:30:15,979
And that's exactly
how they found him-- buried in the dirt.
570
00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:18,315
Now the farm they found him on
belonged to a guy named
571
00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,083
Joel Smitherman.
572
00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:21,952
Now, he was involved
in the drug trade with Tassler
573
00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:23,987
and they worked together.
574
00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,689
Now you said the guy
was shot in the head.
575
00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:27,691
That's exactly how Tassler
got killed.
576
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,461
I have his
death certificate here.
577
00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:34,230
Took cops nearly 15
years to build a case
578
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:38,201
on Smitherman, but in 2005
they finally convicted him,
579
00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:39,670
and he's in jail now.
580
00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:41,872
Now I managed to track down
a photo of Tassler.
581
00:30:41,974 --> 00:30:45,943
Any chance this could
be the guy you might have seen?
582
00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:49,146
I think it could be.
583
00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:50,581
This is really interesting.
584
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,288
So then, I go upstairs,
and I got another guy.
585
00:30:58,423 --> 00:31:00,923
I called him the blurry
man because, like,
586
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,426
literally that's
how you see him.
587
00:31:03,462 --> 00:31:05,829
He's super angry,
frustrated, emotional.
588
00:31:05,964 --> 00:31:08,632
He's, like, freaking out--
maniac.
589
00:31:08,634 --> 00:31:11,101
So, being around him
could affect your mood
590
00:31:11,236 --> 00:31:13,870
and make you feel a
little bit unstable.
591
00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:17,440
And that would be specifically
when he was around.
592
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:21,111
And then when you're
not around him, then you're normal again like that.
593
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:23,113
Now, one of the main things
that you guys
594
00:31:23,248 --> 00:31:25,382
have been experiencing
are the mood changes.
595
00:31:25,451 --> 00:31:28,485
The mood changes are exactly
what you've described.
596
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,388
The worst of the mood changes
are with Chris.
597
00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:34,124
Interesting.
598
00:31:34,193 --> 00:31:36,259
The scary thing,
with this guy, that I got
599
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,528
was that he can be
extremely physical.
600
00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:41,798
He can hit people--
I got heads, eyes,
601
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:45,135
give people headaches,
burn people and/or cut them.
602
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:47,203
Both of these ladies
have been attacked.
603
00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:50,874
Something scratched me--
it was four scratch marks,
604
00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:52,475
but they were all in different
directions.
605
00:31:52,511 --> 00:31:53,810
I looked at it--
it was red.
606
00:31:53,945 --> 00:31:58,081
Tell her about the incident
with the refrigerator.
607
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:01,685
I bent down into the bottom
shelf to get a soda out of the refrigerator
608
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:06,689
and something pinched me
and pushed me out of the refrigerator,
609
00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:10,927
and what it left
was almost, like, a burn or a brand mark.
610
00:32:10,963 --> 00:32:14,030
She mentioned something
about headaches.
611
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:17,234
It's like a really tight
swimming cap...
612
00:32:17,236 --> 00:32:18,435
Okay.
613
00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:21,371
...smashing
the top of my head.
614
00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:24,574
Now, all the things
that we just discussed, could this be the blurry guy?
615
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:28,278
Yes.
616
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,315
Anything else?
617
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,384
Early on in the walk
I got that there was a medium living in this house.
618
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:40,123
The individual sleeps upstairs
in the bigger room.
619
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:43,459
That's your room--
the master bedroom. Mmhm.
620
00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:46,263
I walked into that room
and it was like Grand Central Station for the dead.
621
00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:49,732
This person doesn't know
how to deal with their abilities
622
00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:51,868
so this is big problem.
623
00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:53,603
Now, the dead are collecting
in the bedroom
624
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,039
and they're getting pissed.
625
00:32:56,174 --> 00:32:58,975
The way that I felt, like,
you would experience this
626
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:01,611
would be feeling that the room
was filled with people.
627
00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:03,814
Possibly seeing some of them.
628
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:06,349
Hearing people talking,
possibly yelling.
629
00:33:06,418 --> 00:33:08,351
The bed moving or shaking,
630
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:11,955
and I don't think anybody would
get any real sleep up there.
631
00:33:12,024 --> 00:33:14,991
I mean, constant exposure
to the dead is not good.
632
00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:17,293
That'll make you sick.
633
00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:20,163
Obviously, Kelly's the
medium we're talking about.
634
00:33:20,199 --> 00:33:22,165
I think so, yeah.
635
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:24,701
Tell Amy how your bedroom
makes you feel.
636
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:28,838
Tormented in the bedroom--
I don't sleep.
637
00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:31,307
I'm pinched. I'm poked.
638
00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:35,645
I usually don't go to bed until
4 or 5 o'clock in the morning.
639
00:33:35,714 --> 00:33:40,217
I wake Mike up all
the time at night-- "Did you feel that?"
640
00:33:42,253 --> 00:33:44,321
I didn't know it was that bad.
641
00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:49,593
I'm scared for her.
642
00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:51,794
Amy, is Kelly's bedroom
always filled with dead people?
643
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:53,864
Yeah.
644
00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:56,400
So, I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
645
00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:16,920
Scary. I feel things...
you know.
646
00:34:16,922 --> 00:34:20,524
I have asked Mike, you know,
647
00:34:20,526 --> 00:34:22,258
"Don't you feel
that on your leg?"
648
00:34:22,327 --> 00:34:24,628
I quit asking him because
he always says "No."
649
00:34:28,434 --> 00:34:32,636
I encountered a female and was
dressed all in black.
650
00:34:32,738 --> 00:34:35,972
She also carries two dead
children with her all the time.
651
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:39,308
One was a baby, one was
about 5 years of age.
652
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:42,879
Maybe she had an emotional
break down when they died.
653
00:34:42,948 --> 00:34:45,515
Like, maybe that's why she's
crazy now.
654
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:49,186
And, she really feels like
this is her house.
655
00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,587
She possibly lived here
at some point.
656
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:54,191
I got that she died in her 20s.
657
00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:57,394
The woman you're describing
sounds a lot like a woman who used to live here.
658
00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,262
Her name was Angie Roberts.
659
00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:01,398
Now, she did come from
a wealthy family,
660
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,666
and she married a local farmer
named Kendall Roberts.
661
00:35:03,735 --> 00:35:08,004
So, this guy thought that
illnesses was a myth and that
662
00:35:08,139 --> 00:35:10,006
he could heal people
with prayer.
663
00:35:10,042 --> 00:35:12,208
Problem was, instead of healing
people he was killing them.
664
00:35:12,277 --> 00:35:15,077
At least three people
died under his care,
665
00:35:15,113 --> 00:35:16,946
and it got him arrested three
different times.
666
00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:19,115
Found an article about this.
667
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:24,020
Now, he was never convicted,
so he kept traveling trying to heal people.
668
00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:26,689
You saw the lady that had two
dead kids with her.
669
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:28,791
Angie lost two young children.
670
00:35:28,861 --> 00:35:31,928
She lost an infant baby in 1891,
and then
671
00:35:31,964 --> 00:35:36,032
her three year old died
choking on a button in 1896.
672
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:41,370
Now, Angie ended up dying
in this house of breast cancer in 1922.
673
00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:43,974
Here's her death certificate.
674
00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:47,911
Now, do you think it's
this woman Angie Roberts that's the woman in black?
675
00:35:48,046 --> 00:35:49,912
I mean, it sounds like her.
676
00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:54,050
So, as far as this woman
is concerned, there is a lot
677
00:35:54,185 --> 00:35:57,854
of different ways that you could
have experiences with her.
678
00:35:57,923 --> 00:35:59,589
The attic is her favorite.
679
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:02,325
So maybe you guys would hear her
walking around up there.
680
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:06,129
Might hear her talking
crying or yelling.
681
00:36:06,264 --> 00:36:08,197
Possibly you might
be able to see her.
682
00:36:08,233 --> 00:36:11,267
I thought you would see
her a black figure or mask.
683
00:36:11,303 --> 00:36:13,670
Now, you mentioned
the attic, right?
684
00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:15,404
Yeah.
685
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,573
I don't know if you've noticed
it, but there is a hook on the attic door now.
686
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:19,742
The door would just
open on its own,
687
00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:22,411
and it got to the point
where it bothered her so much
688
00:36:22,447 --> 00:36:25,615
that I had to put the hook on it
to keep it secure.
689
00:36:25,651 --> 00:36:27,350
Okay.
690
00:36:27,352 --> 00:36:29,752
She's very protective
of the upstairs area.
691
00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:33,356
What she was showing me was her
either pushing people down the stairs
692
00:36:33,458 --> 00:36:36,626
or scaring people so much
they fall on their own.
693
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:40,563
She did. Tell her what
happened to you, Kelly.
694
00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:44,367
There was an invisible force
behind me
695
00:36:44,436 --> 00:36:49,238
that smashed my face
into the carpet.
696
00:36:49,308 --> 00:36:53,209
I mean it smashed
me like a Mack truck.
697
00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:56,980
Here's a photo to show you what
happened to her.
698
00:36:56,982 --> 00:36:59,950
My goodness.
699
00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:06,922
Now, as far as Kelly getting
pushed could that be caused by this woman that lived here?
700
00:37:06,959 --> 00:37:08,124
Yes.
701
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,327
Did she do anything else?
702
00:37:10,462 --> 00:37:14,397
So, I saw her getting aggressive
with a living person
703
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:17,334
and that was in the bedroom
at the top.
704
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:21,604
You go to the top of the
stairs and make a right.
705
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,005
That's Chris's bedroom.
706
00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:27,677
That person, if they're having
a dream or they're aware feel good.
707
00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:31,214
Like, feel like this is
a positive good experience.
708
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:35,551
But, in reality it's not
a good situation at all.
709
00:37:35,621 --> 00:37:38,221
Like, this person is actually
being attacked.
710
00:37:38,223 --> 00:37:41,090
Amy, one of the biggest reasons
Kelly called us in
711
00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:43,026
is because she's worried
about Chris.
712
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,095
Now, these three all say that
he's become angry, depressed
713
00:37:46,164 --> 00:37:48,164
and withdrawn since
moving into the house.
714
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,066
I am worried.
715
00:37:50,201 --> 00:37:52,502
You know, the weird thing
is when I interviewed him,
716
00:37:52,504 --> 00:37:55,171
he told me he had
no experiences-- nothing.
717
00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:59,308
So, is it possible
that Chris is having experiences but don't know it?
718
00:37:59,378 --> 00:38:03,780
Yeah, sometimes
these things can happen when people are sleeping.
719
00:38:03,915 --> 00:38:06,583
I saw her attacking
the person in bed,
720
00:38:06,718 --> 00:38:09,519
and I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
721
00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:28,338
What does she want?
722
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:32,341
Basically, she is, like,
sucking energy from him.
723
00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:34,811
So draining him physically.
724
00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:39,415
Her goal is to make this person
sick and eventually cause death.
725
00:39:00,105 --> 00:39:02,171
You know Kelly,
you told me you don't like asking anybody for help,
726
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:04,607
but after what Amy told us
tonight, it's a good thing you did.
727
00:39:04,742 --> 00:39:08,678
Now we know the problem isn't
just the house, it's also you.
728
00:39:08,747 --> 00:39:12,949
So now, for the big question--
is there anyway to fix it
729
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:16,185
so you guys
can stay here safely as a family
730
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,421
or do you need to pack up
and get out while you can?
731
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:21,091
For that answer I'm gonna turn
it over to Amy.
732
00:39:26,131 --> 00:39:31,333
So, the first thing is
you need to deal with the fact that you have abilities.
733
00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:37,874
What I would like to see you do
is to begin seeing a psychotherapist
734
00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:41,677
after you start working with
your abilities--
735
00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:43,979
the dead in your the room,
you're gonna start moving them on
736
00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:47,049
without you even
being aware.
737
00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:51,053
So, should these guys cool off
with the investigations
738
00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:53,089
til her abilities
are taken care of? Yes.
739
00:39:55,093 --> 00:39:59,596
I want my mom to
740
00:39:59,598 --> 00:40:01,731
work on her abilities
and do what she has to do.
741
00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,802
Okay, now...what we
are going to do about the crazy man and hobo guy--
742
00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:08,938
you do need a medium.
743
00:40:08,974 --> 00:40:11,874
The hobo guy is going to be
really good to go.
744
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,144
So, he'll be able to move on
rather quickly.
745
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,481
The crazy blurry man will put up
a little bit more of a fight.
746
00:40:18,616 --> 00:40:23,619
Now, the crazy lady she doesn't
want to leave.
747
00:40:23,655 --> 00:40:26,689
Dealing with her is going to be
a little harder,
748
00:40:26,691 --> 00:40:29,925
so a demonologist does need
to come and deal with her
749
00:40:29,961 --> 00:40:33,796
because she's functioning
on that level.
750
00:40:33,865 --> 00:40:36,299
Once she goes,
will Chris go back to being his old self?
751
00:40:36,301 --> 00:40:37,667
Definitely.
752
00:40:52,417 --> 00:40:53,516
Now Kelly, I gotta ask you.
753
00:40:53,651 --> 00:40:54,984
That's a long list
that Amy gave you.
754
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:56,452
I mean, are you gonna take her
advice and do it?
755
00:40:56,587 --> 00:41:01,324
Absolutely. I have to
for the house-- for our family.
756
00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:03,759
For everything.
757
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:05,594
Things will get better.
758
00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:07,663
You're not going to be cured,
759
00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:09,898
but things will be
much easier to manage.
760
00:41:09,935 --> 00:41:11,534
So Mike, "Mr. Debunker",
761
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:13,536
what are your thoughts on
everything you've heard tonight?
762
00:41:13,671 --> 00:41:16,206
It's not good news,
but Amy's given us
763
00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:19,408
specific instructions
to fix everything.
764
00:41:19,444 --> 00:41:21,811
We have to do some work,
all three of us.
765
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,280
It's all doable.
766
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:26,749
Right.
767
00:41:26,751 --> 00:41:31,354
Having the answers
is what I've needed.
768
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,389
Kelly and Mike have a lot of
work ahead of them,
769
00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:37,159
but if they contact a medium
to remove the hobo and the blurry man,
770
00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:40,296
and a demonologist to
banish the lady in black,
771
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:42,831
Kelly can focus
on managing her abilities
772
00:41:42,867 --> 00:41:45,935
and this family
can find the peace it's been searching or.
773
00:41:45,985 --> 00:41:50,535
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