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I'm getting violence here.
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I'm seeing a body on the floor.
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I've been pushed down
these stairs.
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Somebody fell down the stairs.
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He will get really
aggressive and yell.
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This is a child murderer.
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That pisses me off.
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This is super bad.
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This is not a good situation.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's death here.
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Don't wanna go down there.
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I see dead people.
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They hide in the walls
and they watch.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's definitely
a serial killer.
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...and they speak to me.
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She's going to torture them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They were all murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So is this the only time
you've been physically attacked?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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There's no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who do you think
possessed you?
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But Steve and I
never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Well, you're not gonna want
to see this.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Hell, no.
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Or time to get out.
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Everyone is in jeopardy.
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I'm back here
in Flint, Michigan,
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about an hour west of Detroit.
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This time, I got a call
from a mom named Carrie.
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Now she says
whatever's in the house
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is real angry and real violent.
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She's got four little girls
to protect
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and has no clue on how to do it.
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She's hoping Amy and I can
come up with something
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before someone
gets seriously hurt.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the house
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of any leading information --
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photographs,
religious icons.
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Even children's toys
can influence her findings,
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so it's important I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm finished,
the location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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The first thing that I got
was...
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in huge, like, bold letters...
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was the word "sad."
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First thing I'm getting
is a woman upstairs,
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and she wants me to
come up there
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because she's saying that
the children are in danger.
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She's freaking out.
She's freaking out.
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So, Carrie, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded pretty upset.
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What's happening?
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This place is tearing
my family apart,
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mentally, physically,
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and emotionally.
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And then my children...
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my children are scared
to even be here.
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How long have you actually
lived in the house?
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I have lived here
a little over 21/2 years.
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Okay.
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And when my husband's
grandparents passed away,
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we got the home.
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Did his grandparents
pass away in the house?
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No, they did not.
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They passed away
in a nursing home.
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Who exactly
lives in the house?
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You got myself,
my husband, Chad.
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You got my daughter Ariana,
who is 11.
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You got my daughter Victoria,
who is 10,
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my daughter Layla,
who is 5.
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and then Gabrielle,
who is 3.
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So, Carrie, do me a favor.
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Give me a list of things
that are happening.
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We're hearing voices,
footsteps.
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Our health is declining.
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We're getting
physical attacks.
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I'm seeing shadow figures.
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Is everybody being affected,
or is it just specific people?
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It's affecting my husband.
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We were happily married.
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Recently, he started becoming
really depressed.
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What makes you so convinced
that his changes
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have anything to do
with the paranormal?
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Because before we moved
into here, we never fought.
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And then his depression
started kicking in.
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Once second, he's happy,
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and the next minute, he's
snapping and yelling at people,
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trying to accuse me of doing
something wrong that I'm not.
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Okay.
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I think there's something here
that is attached to him.
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It won't let him go.
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Whatever is going on can't
be good for the marriage.
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No.
This could be the end of it
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if we don't figure out
what is going on.
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You know, it's heartbreaking
to listen to you talk.
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And, you know, one of
the reasons I took the case
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is 'cause of the kids.
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But it sounds like
you're the one
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that really needs
the help here.
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Yeah.
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I ain't got no one
to turn to.
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And I need help.
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I want this fixed.
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I want to be better.
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There's a male,
and he's over to my right.
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He's dead.
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He's like,
"Lies! They're saying lies!"
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His energy is crazy strong.
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I'm getting violence here.
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"Aah!"
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Like, I'm hearing a living man
yelling,
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screaming, crying,
wanting to kill.
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Something is influencing males
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to be violent.
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So you brought me up here.
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I'm assuming you've
had experiences.
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Yeah. I have been seeing
a small shadow.
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Well, how tall
are we talking about?
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Probably about
my daughter Layla's size.
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Could that shadow
have been Layla?
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No, because when
I come up here and check,
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either Layla is sleeping
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or she's gone at her grandma's
for the weekend.
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Okay. Have you seen any other
shadows besides that one?
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Yeah. I've seen one that is
a lot taller than that one.
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How often you seeing these?
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- Daily.
- Daily?
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- Yeah.
- Anything else?
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I've been pushed down
these stairs.
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I actually broke my foot.
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You're lucky you
didn't get killed. Yeah.
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How hard did you get pushed?
Show me. Give me a shove.
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- Like that.
- All right.
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So you know how lucky
you are, right? Yes.
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I mean, you could have got
knocked unconscious,
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broke your neck, anything.
- Yeah.
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The dead guy,
he knows that he can
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take his energy and throw it.
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Living people, I'd think,
be prone to falls here.
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When he puts out
his energy like this,
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it definitely affects
your equilibrium.
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People would feel like
their feet
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are coming out from under them.
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Somebody fell down the stairs.
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If he is able to...
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throw somebody down the stairs,
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that's not good.
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Okay, what's going on
up here?
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Well, I have been touched
inappropriately in the bathroom.
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Mind me asking what happened?
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I thought it was Chad.
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It felt like somebody
just grabbed my rear.
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I jumped out the shower
pretty quick.
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And I went and yelled
at Chad, you know,
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"Why the hell
did you do that?"
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And I look in here, and he's in
the bedroom, sitting on the bed.
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Now did that ever
happen again?
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Yeah.
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It happened one more time when
I was laying in bed at night.
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Same touch?
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Like, the inside of my legs.
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- Okay. And...
- Chad was sleeping.
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Okay. Not that
I'm not believing you,
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but, I mean,
you have a dog right here.
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You sure she or he
didn't just...
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No, 'cause at the time,
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she was sleeping
down in the living room.
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All right.
What else is going on?
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My declining health.
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I have had
four partial hysterectomies.
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I have had
my appendix taken out.
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I've had my gall bladder
taken out.
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Whenever I'm getting anxiety,
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it makes me feel like
I'm having a heart attack.
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Well, living here and telling me
what you're going through --
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getting pushed down
a flight of stairs,
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somebody grabbing your...
in the shower,
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I mean, I'd be
a little anxious, too.
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This house is killing me.
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What are you hoping
we can do for you?
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I am hoping that my relationship
with my husband
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goes back to normal
like it was.
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I'm worried that we're gonna
end up going our separate ways.
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I want to be the way we were
2 years ago,
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happily married.
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I think if living people
are having the experience,
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I could kind of see them
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possibly thinking
they were being grabbed.
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And I got a bad pain in my head,
really, really bad.
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Ooh, ooh.
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Wow. What did he do?
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Ooh.
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I'm nauseous and dizzy.
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The left side of my head
is wicked bad.
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Mnh.
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I think this is associated
with the dead male.
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He's yelling, "You stupid!
Ha, ha, ha!"
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Ariana and Victoria,
correct?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
Ariana, how old are you?
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-11.
- You're 11. Victoria?
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- I'm 10.
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Now let me ask you guys
a question.
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Do you want to stay
in the house?
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I don't really feel like
staying here most of the time.
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Like, my eyes water up
and I start crying.
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Can you tell me about some of
the things that frighten you?
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I was getting ready
to fall asleep,
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and something grabbed
my foot.
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Okay.
When your foot got grabbed,
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show me how hard,
on my wrist, how you...
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It grabbed me
just like that. Like, hard.
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Really?
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What about you, Victoria?
What's going on?
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I have bad nightmares.
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Okay.
Do you remember them?
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All I remember about them,
my mom had to,
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and my stepdad,
had to wake me up.
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Ariana, anything else that
you've seen that scared you?
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I have seen a really tall
shadow man
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with, like, a top hat
and facial hair.
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Okay. Now where did you
see that?
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It is mainly
in the hallways.
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Are you sure it wasn't
your stepdad?
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Yes.
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So, guys, I was talking
to Mom and Dad.
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I'm curious. Have you seen
a change in either one of them?
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Chad. He's been
getting really mean.
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When your stepdad Chad
gets angry, what happens?
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He will get really aggressive
and yell above his normal voice.
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That's not good.
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I- I...
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feel like there's...
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two living females
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that are...hiding,
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and I'm just hearing, like,
yelling from...
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I guess this room.
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There is a living male, like,
acting out, like, just snapping.
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Like a complete change.
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So, Chad, I was talking
to your wife.
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In her opinion,
since you guys moved in here,
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your personality changed.
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- Yeah. I agree with her.
- All right.
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So when you're feeling
this change in personality
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coming over you, what happens?
How you feeling?
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Angry, very angry.
257
00:12:25,245 --> 00:12:26,978
It comes to the point
where I feel like
258
00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:28,746
I want to rip walls apart,
259
00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,516
tear 'em down,
anyone in my way.
260
00:12:31,518 --> 00:12:33,317
Your wife told me
about her experiences.
261
00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:35,253
How about you?
Any experiences?
262
00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:37,088
I got out of the shower
one time.
263
00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:41,392
Me and my wife, when we seen
on the mirror, from the fog,
264
00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:43,127
it said "kill" and "die"
on it.
265
00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:46,931
So I ran down the hallway
and woke the girls up
266
00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:48,166
out of a dead sleep.
267
00:12:48,168 --> 00:12:49,868
I was furious.
I told them,
268
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,402
"Are you guys playing games?"
- Right.
269
00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,671
They almost started crying,
"It wasn't us.
270
00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:55,206
It wasn't us.
It wasn't us."
271
00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:56,975
You're pretty convinced
the kids didn't do it.
272
00:12:56,977 --> 00:12:59,944
I'm 100%.
273
00:12:59,946 --> 00:13:01,479
Okay. Has anything else
happened?
274
00:13:01,481 --> 00:13:04,215
When I'm sleeping, I feel
like something's choking me
275
00:13:04,217 --> 00:13:05,550
and sitting on my chest.
276
00:13:05,552 --> 00:13:06,717
Wait. Describe
the feeling to me.
277
00:13:06,719 --> 00:13:08,686
It feels like you
can't breathe or...
278
00:13:08,688 --> 00:13:11,289
Sit up and...
You know.
279
00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:13,925
I thought it was trying
to kill me, suffocate me.
280
00:13:13,927 --> 00:13:15,359
Couldn't get no air.
281
00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:17,728
Now do you suffer from any
asthma or anything like that?
282
00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:18,930
No.
283
00:13:18,932 --> 00:13:20,165
Now how were you reacting
when this happened?
284
00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:21,499
Furious.
285
00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,000
- Okay.
- Furious.
286
00:13:23,002 --> 00:13:25,803
Furious towards everybody
and everything.
287
00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:35,446
The dead guy,
he can be very physical.
288
00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,582
Living people here
289
00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:41,652
will feel their beds jolt,
290
00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:44,923
and it feels like an earthquake.
291
00:13:47,527 --> 00:13:50,395
I think that that guy,
292
00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:54,532
you know, who can direct
his energy,
293
00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:56,534
is doing that.
294
00:13:56,536 --> 00:13:58,736
Like, you're in the shower,
and the shower curtain,
295
00:13:58,738 --> 00:14:00,338
you know, might pull back.
296
00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,907
This is super bad.
297
00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,748
He's showing people
people sitting, sitting here,
298
00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:15,553
and he's showing me him
smacking them upside the head.
299
00:14:15,555 --> 00:14:18,422
You know? Like, just whap.
300
00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:19,824
All of a sudden,
they start feeling
301
00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:23,127
like they're getting smacked on
the, you know, like...
302
00:14:25,564 --> 00:14:26,864
So from what Carrie told me,
303
00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,833
you inherited this house
from your grandparents.
304
00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:29,968
Correct.
305
00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,769
How far apart
did they pass away?
306
00:14:31,771 --> 00:14:33,704
A year.
307
00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:35,106
I see you're looking over here.
Is this them?
308
00:14:35,108 --> 00:14:36,574
That is them. Yes, it is.
309
00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:39,010
What did they die from?
310
00:14:39,012 --> 00:14:41,579
Actually, my grandmother
had a brain tumor.
311
00:14:41,581 --> 00:14:43,447
And your grandfather?
312
00:14:43,449 --> 00:14:45,950
He died from gangrene,
pretty much.
313
00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:48,519
And he just kind of rotted
from his feet up.
314
00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:49,853
What kind of guy was he?
315
00:14:49,855 --> 00:14:52,556
He's a good guy,
but he didn't like women.
316
00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:54,858
He had
a very super bad temper.
317
00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:56,127
Any abuse?
318
00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:58,529
Yeah, I've never seen him
ever do physical abuse
319
00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:00,398
but a lot of mental.
320
00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,201
Do you think
your grandparents are here?
321
00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:05,536
Yeah. I do.
322
00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:07,205
You think he's taking out
his aggressions
323
00:15:07,207 --> 00:15:08,739
on your wife and kids?
324
00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:10,608
Wife and my kids, yes.
325
00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:11,943
'Cause they're all women.
326
00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:21,886
The dead guy,
he showed me him, like,
327
00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:24,989
grabbing somebody by the neck,
328
00:15:24,991 --> 00:15:27,692
a female, and holding her
up against the wall
329
00:15:27,694 --> 00:15:30,628
to the point where her feet
were, like,
330
00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,397
this much off the floor.
331
00:15:35,101 --> 00:15:37,968
Any idea who this dead guy
was in life?
332
00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:39,237
He was white.
333
00:15:39,239 --> 00:15:41,806
Like, max, I would say, 5'10".
334
00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:43,775
I see him with an older woman.
335
00:15:43,777 --> 00:15:45,743
There was abuse.
336
00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:48,679
So he lived here at some point,
and then he died.
337
00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,782
He didn't die here,
you know what I'm saying?
338
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:53,717
But he's back here.
339
00:15:53,719 --> 00:15:56,254
And he's a big problem here.
340
00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:13,137
This is our third investigation
in Flint,
341
00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:15,573
so I've gotten to know a lot
of the local experts here.
342
00:16:15,575 --> 00:16:17,875
One historian
just called me back,
343
00:16:17,877 --> 00:16:20,211
and he said he found
a bizarre string of murders
344
00:16:20,213 --> 00:16:23,081
with a direct connection
to Chad and Carrie's property.
345
00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:30,654
Well, Walt, thanks
for meeting me.
346
00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,123
I really appreciate that.
347
00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:34,459
Now you mentioned on the phone
there was a sting of homicides
348
00:16:34,461 --> 00:16:36,126
connected
to my clients' property.
349
00:16:36,128 --> 00:16:39,530
Before we get to that, who owned
the land when this happened?
350
00:16:39,532 --> 00:16:42,533
Well, Steve,
the original landowner
351
00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,769
was Thomas Brandt.
352
00:16:44,771 --> 00:16:49,073
He owned over 70,000 acres
of land here in Genesee County.
353
00:16:49,075 --> 00:16:50,408
Okay, 70,000 acres.
354
00:16:50,410 --> 00:16:53,511
Was my client's house
and property even close
355
00:16:53,513 --> 00:16:54,812
to where this guy was?
356
00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:59,250
Yes. As a matter of fact,
Thomas Brandt's estate was here.
357
00:16:59,252 --> 00:17:02,186
Your client's property was
in this area here.
358
00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:03,654
Okay.
So this was pretty close.
359
00:17:03,656 --> 00:17:04,722
Yes.
360
00:17:04,724 --> 00:17:06,090
So what is the story
with the murders?
361
00:17:06,092 --> 00:17:10,261
Thomas' daughter, Charlotte,
in 1858, falls in love
362
00:17:10,263 --> 00:17:14,465
with a tenant farmer next door,
Davillo Palmer.
363
00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:17,067
Well, there are two problems
with this relationship.
364
00:17:17,069 --> 00:17:20,271
One, Charlotte's mother
does not approve,
365
00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:23,741
and two,
Palmer is already married.
366
00:17:23,743 --> 00:17:25,076
What happens with Charlotte?
367
00:17:25,078 --> 00:17:29,213
Charlotte turns up pregnant,
and not long after that,
368
00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:33,083
Davillo Palmer's wife suddenly
and mysteriously, disappears.
369
00:17:33,085 --> 00:17:34,551
Pretty convenient.
370
00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:37,955
Some accounts say that there was
a child who also went missing
371
00:17:37,957 --> 00:17:39,890
at the same time
as the mother.
372
00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:42,660
Were they able
to pin this on Davillo?
373
00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:44,228
Surprisingly, no.
374
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,696
Murder was suspected,
375
00:17:45,698 --> 00:17:49,033
but they could never pin
any charges on Davillo.
376
00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:55,573
There's a little girl
running around here.
377
00:17:55,575 --> 00:17:57,975
She's probably
5 or 6 years old.
378
00:17:59,378 --> 00:18:02,480
She got, like, a little dress on
and then an apron thing on.
379
00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:05,249
So I would say, like,
that was...
380
00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,586
like, 1870s or 1880s.
381
00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:12,590
Something happened to her
that wasn't good,
382
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:16,260
and I feel like
whatever happened to her
383
00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,395
happened here.
384
00:18:18,397 --> 00:18:19,797
Like, I'm seeing...
385
00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:22,066
So she's outside
and it's sunny.
386
00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:23,701
It's getting dark.
387
00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:26,337
She knows the person...
388
00:18:26,339 --> 00:18:28,573
and then she's dead.
389
00:18:30,343 --> 00:18:32,709
All right, so Davillo's wife
and possible child
390
00:18:32,711 --> 00:18:35,046
are out of the picture.
What happens next?
391
00:18:35,048 --> 00:18:38,916
Charlotte and Davillo
wind up getting married,
392
00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:40,551
and 6 months later,
393
00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:44,221
Charlotte's mother dies
under mysterious circumstances.
394
00:18:44,223 --> 00:18:46,057
What is the cause of death?
395
00:18:46,059 --> 00:18:49,627
The autopsy shows that she died
of arsenic poisoning.
396
00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,063
I mean, they already
like Davillo with one homicide.
397
00:18:52,065 --> 00:18:53,564
Did they look at him
for this one?
398
00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:57,235
He was a person of interest
in his mother-in-law's death,
399
00:18:57,237 --> 00:18:59,837
but he disappeared before
he could be indicted.
400
00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,840
So, Walt, we got at least
two murders, maybe three,
401
00:19:02,842 --> 00:19:04,442
pretty close to
my client's property,
402
00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:07,044
and nobody served a day of time
for any of it.
403
00:19:07,046 --> 00:19:08,179
That's correct.
404
00:19:14,019 --> 00:19:16,186
The little girl,
she sees a monster.
405
00:19:16,188 --> 00:19:19,991
It looked like
when tar is bubbling,
406
00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,427
but make it big,
like a human being.
407
00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:25,396
And is that something
that the living
408
00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:27,465
are affected by anyway,
or is it just her?
409
00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:30,067
That thing is the culprit
of everything.
410
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:35,139
It seems like this monster
411
00:19:35,141 --> 00:19:37,341
went dormant until now.
412
00:19:37,343 --> 00:19:41,078
It has to have the people
that are predispositioned
413
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,180
to the violence and the anger.
414
00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:45,182
So those living people
who move here
415
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,986
who have that predisposition
triggers everything.
416
00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:53,357
So I just got a call back
from a sergeant
417
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,859
with the local
police department.
418
00:19:54,861 --> 00:19:58,095
He says he found something
I definitely need to know about.
419
00:19:58,097 --> 00:20:00,564
Apparently, a pregnant woman
was found murdered
420
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:03,501
less than a mile
from Carrie and Chad's house,
421
00:20:03,503 --> 00:20:06,571
and this remains
an unsolved case to this day.
422
00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:08,572
Now he's going through
all the records for me,
423
00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:10,575
and he's going to tell me
exactly what happened.
424
00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:19,116
Well, Sergeant, I appreciate
you looking into this for me.
425
00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:21,052
The body that was found close
to my client's property,
426
00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:22,153
what can you tell me
about it?
427
00:20:22,155 --> 00:20:23,120
Her name was Hope Johnson.
428
00:20:23,122 --> 00:20:26,323
She went missing
on January 29, 1988.
429
00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:27,858
Okay. So this is
a pretty cold homicide.
430
00:20:27,860 --> 00:20:29,459
Correct.
431
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:31,128
She's a pretty girl.
432
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:32,596
All right. So what do we know
about this girl?
433
00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:33,998
At the time
of her disappearance,
434
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,199
Hope Johnson
was 8 months pregnant
435
00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:36,567
and had a 4-year-old son.
436
00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:39,537
She was last seen by her
boyfriend January 29, 1988,
437
00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:42,072
and he reported her missing
to the police department
438
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:43,908
on February 2, 1988.
439
00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:45,476
How long
before they find her?
440
00:20:45,478 --> 00:20:47,345
Roughly 6 weeks after
she was reported missing,
441
00:20:47,347 --> 00:20:48,746
she was found on March 12th.
442
00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:50,547
Her body was found
on the side of the road,
443
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:52,949
roughly 1 mile
from the client's house.
444
00:20:52,951 --> 00:20:54,518
Was the boyfriend a suspect
at all?
445
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,154
We were not able to develop him
as a suspect in this case.
446
00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:59,623
They questioned a lot
of people. Yes.
447
00:20:59,625 --> 00:21:01,425
Okay, and nobody
ever got arrested?
448
00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:03,294
No.
No one was ever arrested.
449
00:21:03,296 --> 00:21:05,495
Now I know it's an open case,
and you can't tell me anything
450
00:21:05,497 --> 00:21:09,032
about the details
of her murder. Right.
451
00:21:09,034 --> 00:21:11,234
But when I worked these cases
in the past,
452
00:21:11,236 --> 00:21:13,237
it's always been
somebody they knew
453
00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:15,439
and a lot of rage involved.
454
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:16,641
I just hope you guys
get a break on it
455
00:21:16,643 --> 00:21:18,242
because this is
a pretty sad case.
456
00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:21,445
Yes, very sad.
457
00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:24,314
Is this living man
being influenced
458
00:21:24,316 --> 00:21:26,250
by this tar thing at all?
459
00:21:26,252 --> 00:21:27,985
Yes.
460
00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:31,655
This is a child murderer.
461
00:21:31,657 --> 00:21:35,259
I think that this person
462
00:21:35,261 --> 00:21:37,628
is completely insane
463
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:42,600
and probably
just thrives off of...
464
00:21:42,602 --> 00:21:46,070
violence and, you know,
gets its kicks off of that
465
00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:48,406
and is still capable
of doing it.
466
00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:51,709
I think that it could
be satisfied
467
00:21:51,711 --> 00:21:54,211
with an adult
killing another adult.
468
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:57,014
I think that it probably
prefers children.
469
00:22:03,522 --> 00:22:05,622
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471
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473
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474
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,000
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475
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:26,110
So far, I've got clients
476
00:22:26,112 --> 00:22:28,179
being physically attacked
on a property
477
00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:30,514
where a man was suspected
of murdering his wife,
478
00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:33,917
mother-in-law, and possibly
even his own child.
479
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,053
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
480
00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:38,589
Searching through old records,
I find an article about
481
00:22:38,591 --> 00:22:40,124
an auto plant
right down the street
482
00:22:40,126 --> 00:22:42,126
from Chad and Carrie's property.
483
00:22:42,128 --> 00:22:44,661
Turns out an employee
suffered a gruesome death
484
00:22:44,663 --> 00:22:45,830
while working there.
485
00:22:45,832 --> 00:22:48,032
I'm on my way to
the old Packard plant in Detroit
486
00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:50,167
to meet an autoworker
turned historian.
487
00:22:50,169 --> 00:22:52,403
Now he says he found a couple
of other deaths
488
00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:55,439
in the plants surrounding
Chad and Carrie's property.
489
00:23:01,547 --> 00:23:03,680
So, Gerry, that article
I found in my research,
490
00:23:03,682 --> 00:23:06,283
it sounds like this guy
died a pretty brutal death.
491
00:23:06,285 --> 00:23:07,585
What were we able to find out?
492
00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:10,287
That on October 3, 1963,
493
00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:12,356
a worker by the name
of Michael McDonough,
494
00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:13,724
who was 26 years old,
495
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,927
died when a boom
struck him in the head.
496
00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,029
So, Gerry, let me ask you,
how far is this plant
497
00:23:19,031 --> 00:23:20,231
from my client's property?
498
00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:21,632
Less than a mile.
499
00:23:21,634 --> 00:23:23,366
Now does he die
right there on the spot?
500
00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:25,603
Normally,
in a General Motors factory,
501
00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:27,637
because of their insurance,
502
00:23:27,639 --> 00:23:30,307
that if you die
on the property,
503
00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:31,642
it's double a payout.
504
00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:34,578
So normally, most of them
that you will find,
505
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:37,782
they're usually pronounced dead
in the hospital by a physician.
506
00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:39,449
Okay.
507
00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:40,918
There's no way this guy wasn't
dead when this thing hit him.
508
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,452
Probably not.
509
00:23:42,454 --> 00:23:44,254
Now you mentioned on the phone
there was a couple other ones.
510
00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:45,522
What'd you find out?
511
00:23:45,524 --> 00:23:49,693
Found one in factory 31,
the axle plant, June 19th,
512
00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:51,929
and that was 1979.
513
00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:54,398
And this is a different plant
close to my client's property?
514
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,269
Yes. John Holstein, who was
a 21-year-old worker.
515
00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:02,606
So a hydraulic line broke
and sprayed him down
516
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:04,608
head to toe
with hydraulic fluid
517
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:06,743
that was flammable
at that time,
518
00:24:06,745 --> 00:24:08,746
and a spark
from unknown origin
519
00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:11,848
is what turned him
into the human torch.
520
00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:14,418
And a witness to that,
it just so happens,
521
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:15,619
was a friend of mine.
522
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,622
And he seen him running
for quite some ways
523
00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:20,524
before he finally dropped.
524
00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:21,759
Did he die right away?
525
00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:24,561
He passed away 2 weeks later
in the hospital.
526
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:27,631
Ouch. Now, Gerry, what else
were you able to find out?
527
00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:30,901
Another one at the Buick plant
in the body shop.
528
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:34,572
It was on December 23, 1994.
529
00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:36,573
- It was Willy Anderson.
- Okay.
530
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:38,042
And he was a die setter.
531
00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:40,978
He forgot to unhook a block --
80,000 pounds --
532
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,380
and this die just
instantly crushed him
533
00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:47,251
between a guard rail
and the die.
534
00:24:47,253 --> 00:24:49,653
Before you became a historian,
you worked in this plant.
535
00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:50,988
Yeah.
536
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:52,723
Were these accidents you just
described to me commonplace,
537
00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:55,526
or is it something that was,
you know, once in a blue moon?
538
00:24:55,528 --> 00:24:58,795
They were pretty commonplace,
and, at that time,
539
00:24:58,797 --> 00:25:00,998
speed was the name
of the game.
540
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,267
We were trying to save
the Buick plant.
541
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:05,068
And look where that got you.
542
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:07,404
Yeah.
This is where we're at.
543
00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:14,878
I'm seeing a body on the floor.
544
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,147
I think it's a man.
545
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:20,650
I'm getting, like,
some chaos here.
546
00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:23,420
Like, I hear a woman crying.
547
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:27,391
I'm hearing somebody
yelling for help.
548
00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:31,095
And I'm feeling, like,
a lot of people running around.
549
00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:33,864
Chaos.
550
00:25:41,173 --> 00:25:43,574
I saw several disturbing
things on my walk,
551
00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:47,912
but the violent dead man
had me very concerned.
552
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:51,582
He did have a mustache.
553
00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:53,984
He had a thick, short neck.
554
00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:04,528
Next, I described the dead man
attacking a living person.
555
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:07,397
He was showing me him, like,
556
00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:11,735
actually holding this person
above the stairs,
557
00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:14,271
and he was saying how
558
00:26:14,273 --> 00:26:17,274
he threw someone down there.
559
00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:19,143
I do believe it was a female,
560
00:26:19,145 --> 00:26:22,646
and that this person was
smaller than him.
561
00:26:29,188 --> 00:26:31,721
Amy, is this what you saw?
562
00:26:31,723 --> 00:26:33,424
Yes. that's what I saw.
563
00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:56,179
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
564
00:26:56,181 --> 00:26:58,281
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
565
00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:00,784
and our clients
for the first time.
566
00:27:00,786 --> 00:27:04,421
So, Amy, I'd like you to meet
Carrie and Chad.
567
00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:06,222
They live here,
568
00:27:06,224 --> 00:27:08,826
and they're raising these
four beautiful girls.
569
00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:11,161
This is Layla. She's 5.
570
00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:12,463
This is Tori, who is 10.
571
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:13,797
This is Gabbie, who is 3.
572
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:17,333
This is Ariana, who is 11.
573
00:27:17,335 --> 00:27:19,169
Now we're here, so obviously,
574
00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,338
you guys have a lot
of activity going on.
575
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,673
But the big issue here is Chad.
576
00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:25,943
The whole family
is convinced he's changed
577
00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:27,677
since he moved in here,
578
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,746
and if you can't help,
579
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:31,615
they say it's going
to rip their family apart.
580
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:33,149
With that being said,
I'm gonna ask Amy
581
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:36,286
to tell us about her walk.
582
00:27:36,288 --> 00:27:41,691
When I first got here, I was
getting a lot of information.
583
00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:47,564
So I go upstairs,
and I saw two living females
584
00:27:47,566 --> 00:27:49,700
hiding behind a door.
585
00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:52,436
They were reacting
to a living male
586
00:27:52,438 --> 00:27:55,773
who was upset
and yelling and screaming.
587
00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:59,109
I felt such anger
from the living man.
588
00:27:59,111 --> 00:28:02,946
Like, he had murderous rage
coming out.
589
00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:05,983
This living male had
gone through a complete change,
590
00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:10,921
and I believe it's due
to an influence
591
00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:13,724
that's within this house.
592
00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:16,026
Wow. Carrie,
why don't you tell Amy
593
00:28:16,028 --> 00:28:17,795
how you feel Chad's changed?
594
00:28:17,797 --> 00:28:23,200
Before we moved in here, he used
to be a happy-go-lucky man.
595
00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:26,736
Now, he's very
just depressed and angry.
596
00:28:26,738 --> 00:28:28,672
So, Chad,
explain to Amy yourself
597
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,140
how you feel you've changed.
598
00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:31,375
I don't know,
599
00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:36,379
but the range inside of me
comes over me heavy, fast.
600
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:42,352
Sometimes, he just don't realize
that he is being very angry.
601
00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:46,156
It hurts me to hurt my family
in any direction.
602
00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,657
I'm seeing that you were
603
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:49,359
in some dark situations
in the past,
604
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:53,697
and that's making it easier for
what is here to influence you.
605
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,499
My background ain't good.
606
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,774
I saw an older man,
607
00:29:03,776 --> 00:29:07,978
and this older dead male
is extremely active.
608
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:09,980
There's a lot of ways
609
00:29:09,982 --> 00:29:13,249
that living people
could experience him.
610
00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:18,722
I thought maybe you would see
him because he is very solid.
611
00:29:18,724 --> 00:29:20,990
Now, let's talk about
the tall shadow person
612
00:29:20,992 --> 00:29:23,126
that you mentioned to me.
613
00:29:23,128 --> 00:29:26,563
We will see him
shoot down the hallway.
614
00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:31,001
My children also see
this tall shadow man.
615
00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:33,237
He can also
be very physical.
616
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:38,007
I had extreme neck
and head pain the entire time,
617
00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:40,210
and I saw him coming up
618
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:43,313
and smacking people
on the back of the head.
619
00:29:43,315 --> 00:29:44,814
Carrie, do me a favor.
620
00:29:44,816 --> 00:29:47,451
Just tell her about how you were
getting grabbed in the shower.
621
00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:50,720
I have been grabbed
inappropriately in the shower.
622
00:29:50,722 --> 00:29:54,824
I've been grabbed in my bed.
623
00:29:54,826 --> 00:29:58,395
Now, Chad, you've been held down
in bed and choked, right?
624
00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:00,797
- Yeah.
- So tell Amy what happened.
625
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,501
I couldn't move.
I was being held down.
626
00:30:04,503 --> 00:30:06,369
It was like being suffocated.
627
00:30:06,371 --> 00:30:09,840
Next thing I know, the bed is
in the middle of the room.
628
00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:11,341
Could that be this guy?
629
00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:14,311
Yeah. Definitely.
630
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
There's nothing I can
do about it.
631
00:30:15,848 --> 00:30:17,781
That is what drives me
the most crazy.
632
00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:21,651
It angers me, and I've...
I feed off of it.
633
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:24,388
I just want to get ahold of it.
634
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:26,723
Can this guy do anything else?
635
00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:30,393
He can make you
really, really dizzy,
636
00:30:30,395 --> 00:30:32,996
and I just saw
people falling,
637
00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:36,466
and I also saw him
picking up a woman
638
00:30:36,468 --> 00:30:39,870
and throwing her down
the stairs.
639
00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,573
I did have a sketch done
of what I saw.
640
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:49,713
When you take a look at this,
you'll know you're not crazy.
641
00:30:51,684 --> 00:30:53,483
Wow.
642
00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:56,353
My god.
643
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,488
That is just insane.
644
00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:01,225
Do me a favor and describe
to Amy what happened.
645
00:31:01,227 --> 00:31:03,627
I was coming down the stairs,
646
00:31:03,629 --> 00:31:07,230
and I felt just
this big blow to my back,
647
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,766
and I went all the way
down the steps.
648
00:31:09,768 --> 00:31:13,169
I wish I could shoot
the son of a bitch.
649
00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:15,005
Did you get any sense
of who you think this guy was
650
00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:16,239
when he was alive?
651
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:18,742
I got that he did, in fact,
live here.
652
00:31:18,744 --> 00:31:22,646
I was putting him in the '70s
or the '80s,
653
00:31:22,648 --> 00:31:26,083
maybe, you know,
the very start of the '90s.
654
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,419
When he lived here,
655
00:31:29,421 --> 00:31:32,756
he experienced hauntings
as well.
656
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,661
I had met a woman outside,
657
00:31:37,663 --> 00:31:43,333
and she said that he was
abusive towards her,
658
00:31:43,335 --> 00:31:45,935
and I felt like
that was his wife.
659
00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:49,606
The wife told me that
he had died somewhere else
660
00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:53,777
but had been sucked back
to this house.
661
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:58,015
I know exactly
who she's talking about.
662
00:31:58,017 --> 00:31:59,749
Well, Amy, there's something
you should know.
663
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,351
Chad's grandparents lived
in this house
664
00:32:01,353 --> 00:32:03,787
from the day it was built
in the early '60s...
665
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,623
...until they gave it to Chad
a few years ago...
666
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,826
...upon their passing.
Do me a favor.
667
00:32:09,828 --> 00:32:13,730
Why don't you describe
your grandfather to Amy for me?
668
00:32:13,732 --> 00:32:15,832
My grandpa was very old-school.
669
00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:17,534
He didn't like women.
670
00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:20,504
He didn't like my mom.
He didn't like my sister.
671
00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:23,906
He didn't like my grandmother.
672
00:32:23,908 --> 00:32:25,375
He was a very angry man.
673
00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:29,179
And I've been telling him
since day one that
674
00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:33,450
that angry man that I see
is his grandfather,
675
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:38,187
and I knew that his grandfather
did not like women,
676
00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:39,655
and I felt
that he was the one
677
00:32:39,657 --> 00:32:41,992
that did not want me
in this home.
678
00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:44,795
Now I got a photo of him
when he was younger,
679
00:32:44,797 --> 00:32:48,631
and then I have another one here
as much older.
680
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:54,371
Now you think his grandfather
is the guy you saw?
681
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:56,105
I had a sketch done.
682
00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:58,942
You guys tell me.
683
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:01,978
My heart's pounding.
684
00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:05,682
My.
685
00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:10,153
That looks like my pops.
686
00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,854
Not my dad, my pops.
687
00:33:11,856 --> 00:33:13,490
All right,
so let's get this cleared up.
688
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:14,825
Who is that?
689
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:16,693
Chad's grandfather's cousin.
690
00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:18,161
His grandfather's cousin. Okay.
691
00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:20,029
Now did he ever spend time
in this house?
692
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:22,866
Yes, he did, off and on.
693
00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:24,434
Interesting.
694
00:33:24,436 --> 00:33:26,436
Now do you remember this guy
and what he was like?
695
00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,703
What kind of man he was?
696
00:33:27,705 --> 00:33:29,639
He was a violent man.
That's what I remember.
697
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:31,908
And he was a violent man
up to his death.
698
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:35,879
He was abused by his dad,
and my grandma brought him in.
699
00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:39,148
Took him in as a child.
700
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:40,450
It looks just like him.
701
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:45,054
Okay. Anything else?
702
00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:50,527
So I saw this dead little girl
playing in the backyard.
703
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:53,830
I thought that maybe
you might see her
704
00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:56,266
'cause she is
very physical.
705
00:33:56,268 --> 00:34:00,804
So this child showed me
a location in the backyard
706
00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:03,440
where she had been murdered.
707
00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:06,576
This person who murdered her
708
00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:12,416
is, basically, everything
that's going on here.
709
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:15,318
I got that she knew the person
who murdered her,
710
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,453
and the thing about her
711
00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:21,792
is that she sees
this murderer as a monster.
712
00:34:21,794 --> 00:34:24,627
What I saw was
black skeleton arms
713
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:27,797
and then, like,
a black, like, you know,
714
00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:30,767
the tar when you pour it,
and it's bubbly hot?
715
00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:32,936
So the body is like that.
716
00:34:32,938 --> 00:34:34,838
Because of how this
little kid was dressed,
717
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,342
I put her
in the 1870s, 1880s.
718
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,377
Not a ton to go on,
but there was a murder
719
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:42,579
you described
sounds like something
720
00:34:42,581 --> 00:34:44,748
I came across in research.
721
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:48,084
Now back in 1837, this rich guy
named Thomas Brandt
722
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:52,989
bought 70,000 acres
of land in Flint.
723
00:34:52,991 --> 00:34:55,458
Your house sits
right in the middle of it.
724
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,794
I got a photo of Brandt.
725
00:34:57,796 --> 00:35:00,797
This is guy who bought
the property originally.
726
00:35:00,799 --> 00:35:04,400
He had a daughter named
Charlotte, and she was in love
727
00:35:04,402 --> 00:35:06,402
with a tenant farmer
named Davillo Palmer
728
00:35:06,404 --> 00:35:09,406
who lived right next door
to your house.
729
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:12,175
Charlotte's mother, Francisca,
didn't approve of this guy
730
00:35:12,177 --> 00:35:13,409
and, you know, for good reason.
731
00:35:13,411 --> 00:35:15,345
Guy was married.
732
00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:17,247
At some point,
Charlotte winds up
733
00:35:17,249 --> 00:35:19,382
getting pregnant
with Palmer's kid.
734
00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:22,218
Days later,
Palmer's wife goes missing.
735
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:26,689
Now records were
pretty bad back then,
736
00:35:26,691 --> 00:35:29,559
but the historian I spoke to
said that they believe
737
00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:32,495
there was a child as well
that also went missing.
738
00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:35,231
- Wow.
- Damn.
739
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:38,835
And this is, literally, right
next to where your house sits.
740
00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,103
Police flagged him
for the murders
741
00:35:40,105 --> 00:35:41,404
but couldn't make a case.
742
00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:44,174
So Palmer never went
to trial, nothing.
743
00:35:44,176 --> 00:35:46,509
So Palmer and Charlotte
get married,
744
00:35:46,511 --> 00:35:48,879
and they have a kid
4 months later.
745
00:35:48,881 --> 00:35:50,247
Now, it gets better.
746
00:35:50,249 --> 00:35:53,416
In 1859, Charlotte's mother,
Francisca, was murdered
747
00:35:53,418 --> 00:35:55,451
by being poisoned with arsenic.
748
00:35:55,453 --> 00:35:56,987
Now Palmer was a suspect,
749
00:35:56,989 --> 00:35:58,655
and before the cops
could even talk to him,
750
00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:01,291
he took off
and fell off the planet.
751
00:36:01,293 --> 00:36:03,660
Considering Palmer may
have killed his wife, his child,
752
00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:04,927
and his mother-in-law,
753
00:36:04,929 --> 00:36:08,731
and this all happened
in the 1850s,
754
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:10,800
you think this is the person
who that could be?
755
00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:14,504
If, in fact, he did kill his
wife and kid,
756
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,207
and then...yeah.
757
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:18,942
Now you mentioned
this tar thing is everything.
758
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:20,143
What do you mean by that?
759
00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:22,345
It used to be a human being,
760
00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:24,748
and it's been here
since it died.
761
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:30,220
The thing about it is that
it'll lie dormant for years.
762
00:36:30,222 --> 00:36:36,259
Only when it sees somebody who
matches its same degree of anger
763
00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:38,295
and potential violence.
764
00:36:38,297 --> 00:36:40,162
That is what triggers it.
765
00:36:40,164 --> 00:36:43,700
And then
it can influence them.
766
00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,735
So it sounds like this tar thing
767
00:36:45,737 --> 00:36:49,105
is trying to use Chad here
to hurt other living people.
768
00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:53,910
Pisses me off so bad.
It pisses me off.
769
00:36:53,912 --> 00:36:56,913
So, Carrie, it sounds like
you were right.
770
00:36:56,915 --> 00:36:58,715
Something was influencing
your husband.
771
00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:03,453
I do feel relieved
knowing that.
772
00:37:03,455 --> 00:37:08,792
But it's just still hard to --
to cope with all of this.
773
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:10,860
Now let me ask you a question
about this tar thing, though.
774
00:37:10,862 --> 00:37:12,328
Why is it going after Chad?
775
00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:14,864
I mean,
what's the purpose of it?
776
00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:17,467
This...person
777
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:20,202
was a child murderer.
778
00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:23,806
He's insane,
potentially a serial killer.
779
00:37:23,808 --> 00:37:27,343
So obviously, he just wants
to continue doing the same
780
00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:29,345
and making violence happen,
781
00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:32,682
hoping for the end result
to be murder.
782
00:37:32,684 --> 00:37:34,484
If you kill
another adult, great.
783
00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:36,419
If you kill a kid,
even better.
784
00:37:38,556 --> 00:37:40,690
Could the things that are here
influence him enough
785
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:41,725
to maybe hurt these kids?
786
00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:44,694
That's what
I'm worried about.
787
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:49,231
I love my babies.
I'd die for my babies.
788
00:37:49,233 --> 00:37:52,435
I knew this was what it was.
789
00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:56,439
I knew, deep down,
he had bad attachments to him.
790
00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,808
And I keep telling him
and telling him,
791
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:00,676
and he doesn't want
to believe me.
792
00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:04,514
I just didn't think
it was this...this bad.
793
00:38:04,516 --> 00:38:06,249
It makes me want to explode.
794
00:38:24,086 --> 00:38:25,952
Carrie, Chad,
I know this has been
795
00:38:25,954 --> 00:38:27,420
a rough night on both of you.
796
00:38:27,422 --> 00:38:28,822
But we know two things --
797
00:38:28,824 --> 00:38:33,560
you're not crazy, and you
called us in just in time.
798
00:38:33,562 --> 00:38:36,363
Now to answer
the big important question.
799
00:38:36,365 --> 00:38:40,100
Can you stay here
with your four daughters,
800
00:38:40,102 --> 00:38:42,469
and if you can,
what's it gonna take?
801
00:38:42,471 --> 00:38:44,570
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
802
00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:51,478
It's going to take
a little bit of work,
803
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,481
but there is a way for you
to stay here safely.
804
00:38:54,483 --> 00:38:58,418
First, you need to find
a male medium
805
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,686
who is tough,
806
00:39:00,688 --> 00:39:04,157
and that's because
this killer
807
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,895
is a psychopathic,
tough male.
808
00:39:08,897 --> 00:39:12,364
He needs someone
that can match him
809
00:39:12,366 --> 00:39:15,068
in attitude and stance.
810
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:18,471
You also need to find
a chaos magician,
811
00:39:18,473 --> 00:39:20,873
and that also needs
to be a male.
812
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:23,075
These two males need
to come here.
813
00:39:23,077 --> 00:39:25,211
They need to go out
into the backyard,
814
00:39:25,213 --> 00:39:29,416
and the male medium will summon
the killer to come.
815
00:39:29,418 --> 00:39:31,818
He'll come with
the little girl.
816
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:35,754
The chaos magician is going
to trap the killer
817
00:39:35,756 --> 00:39:40,226
and then send him
to the other side.
818
00:39:40,228 --> 00:39:43,163
The little girl is gonna
remain behind,
819
00:39:43,165 --> 00:39:47,367
and the male medium will
take care of moving her on.
820
00:39:47,369 --> 00:39:51,771
Then these two males are gonna
come inside the house
821
00:39:51,773 --> 00:39:53,573
and they're going to do
the same thing
822
00:39:53,575 --> 00:39:55,908
to take care of this guy.
823
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:57,043
Pops.
824
00:39:57,045 --> 00:40:00,380
And this will take
probably about 24 hours
825
00:40:00,382 --> 00:40:03,316
for this whole process
to take place.
826
00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:05,117
So once that's done,
827
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,321
those dead energies,
they'll be gone.
828
00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:11,991
But you'll still have
your attachments.
829
00:40:11,993 --> 00:40:16,930
A Reiki master needs
to come for four sessions.
830
00:40:16,932 --> 00:40:20,666
They will focus on getting
your personal living energy
831
00:40:20,668 --> 00:40:23,536
all aligned and clean.
832
00:40:23,538 --> 00:40:26,873
After that, you're going
to need to work on
833
00:40:26,875 --> 00:40:30,209
letting go psychologically
of your past.
834
00:40:30,211 --> 00:40:33,812
You need to go see
a psychotherapist.
835
00:40:33,814 --> 00:40:38,151
It's hard 'cause you are
going to relive
836
00:40:38,153 --> 00:40:41,888
the worst experiences
you've had in your life,
837
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:47,059
but you're going to feel
so much lighter,
838
00:40:47,061 --> 00:40:51,631
and it's not going
to haunt you any more.
839
00:40:51,633 --> 00:40:55,234
You willing to do that?
840
00:40:55,236 --> 00:40:57,904
I'm going to do
whatever I got to do.
841
00:40:57,906 --> 00:41:01,641
Ready to do it.
Ready to get it done.
842
00:41:01,643 --> 00:41:03,943
I'm tired
of living like this.
843
00:41:03,945 --> 00:41:05,778
I'd rather have him back
to the way he was
844
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:08,314
before we moved in here.
845
00:41:08,316 --> 00:41:10,983
Once they take these steps,
will things get better here?
846
00:41:10,985 --> 00:41:14,721
You're gonna feel
a huge difference,
847
00:41:14,723 --> 00:41:17,757
huge difference.
- It's a win-win situation.
848
00:41:17,759 --> 00:41:19,258
You'll get your husband back,
849
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,327
and you get to keep the house
your grandparents left you.
850
00:41:21,329 --> 00:41:22,628
Right.
851
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:25,932
I'm so amazed
by all this right now.
852
00:41:25,934 --> 00:41:27,867
It's overwhelming.
853
00:41:29,604 --> 00:41:31,337
I really hope
Chad and Carrie
854
00:41:31,339 --> 00:41:33,606
contact a medium
and a chaos magician
855
00:41:33,608 --> 00:41:37,009
to remove the dead
terrorizing their family.
856
00:41:37,011 --> 00:41:38,411
And with the help
of a therapist,
857
00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:41,147
Chad can free himself
of negative attachments,
858
00:41:41,149 --> 00:41:42,482
allowing this family to find
859
00:41:42,484 --> 00:41:44,217
the peace
it's been looking for.
860
00:41:44,267 --> 00:41:48,817
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