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I don't feel okay here.
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I feel like I wanna run.
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We've had customers
walk in the door
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and stop dead
in their tracks.
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Those things are here.
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I saw several dead people
standing amongst the diners.
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To me, they feel like a threat.
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I am extremely creeped out.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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It's like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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And they speak to me.
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What is he trying to do?
Kill them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam!
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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They're everywhere.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy
doing that to her?
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die
over there soon, yeah.
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I'm in Sedona, Arizona,
about 2 hours from Phoenix.
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We got called in
by a guy named Joe.
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Now, he moved out here
from the East Coast
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and opened up a restaurant
to live the good life.
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Problem is,
the activity's so bad,
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his employees and customers
are scared to death.
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And he says, if we can't fix it,
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he may lose
his entire life savings.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the area of anything
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that might influence
her findings.
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This is a large space
with a lot of historical items
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and signs that need
to be covered.
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When I'm finished,
the location'll be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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Agh, I really
don't like it here.
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I feel really, really,
very sick.
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A lot of anxiety.
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And stress.
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I think that, if the living
spent enough time here,
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you know, they would
develop things like ulcers
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or stomach problems.
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I'm getting feelings
of being abandoned, unwanted.
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I don't feel very good here.
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So, Joe, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded really
concerned about things.
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What's goin' on?
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Well, there's been
a lot of reports,
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by both my employees
and customers,
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of things happening here
in the restaurant.
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Okay, so that's costin'
you business.
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It is, indeed,
but the most important
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concern, in my mind, is
the safety of my guests,
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my customers,
and my employees.
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Okay. How long have you
owned the building?
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13 years.
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Okay. When did you start
havin' experiences?
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I haven't had
any experiences.
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I haven't had any
experiences here,
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or anywhere else
in my life.
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Okay. Not to be rude,
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but what the hell
am I doin' here, then?
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I believe
it's really happening.
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I certainly
did not believe it
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in the beginning,
as a skeptic,
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but we've had customers
walk in the door
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and stop dead
in their tracks.
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These are real people
- Right.
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that are having
genuine experiences.
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All right. Joe, I know
you've had no experiences,
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but what's been
reported to you?
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Things moving
on their own.
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Shadow figures
in different forms.
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Full-body apparitions.
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And also
mood changes.
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With all this concern
you have,
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why don't you just
sell the place?
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I'm too invested
in the place.
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It's a gorgeous
building.
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I've put many years
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in improving it
and in restoring it.
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Let me show you a photo
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of what the facility
used to look like.
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So, Joe, this must've
cost a pretty penny,
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for you to restore all this.
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It did. It cost me
my life savings.
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Okay.
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Sometimes, my partner,
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she'll tell a client that
it's not safe to stay here.
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How would you take
that information?
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I don't know how
I would deal with that.
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That would be
devastating news for me.
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A lot of the things that
are here are not welcoming.
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Everything in this room,
I despise.
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I don't like the flooring.
I don't like this bar.
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It adds too much chaos
to the environment.
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There's not many places where
you can go here and feel okay.
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I think that, for people
who are slightly sensitive,
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to be here would be
a **** nightmare.
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I don't think they would last
too long, honestly.
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I think it would be
a real struggle.
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I think they would see
a lot of stuff all the time.
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I think they would feel
physically horrendous.
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I don't wanna ****
be here right now.
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I- I don't feel okay
here.
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I feel like I wanna run.
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So, Karyn, I was talkin' to Joe
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and he was tellin' me
that you guys are partners
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and he's concerned
for the employees,
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as well as the customers
that come here.
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You agree with him?
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Yes, I do agree with him.
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My concern is that,
customers and employees,
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that they are not
fearful to be here
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and/or in
any type of danger.
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So I know Joe's never
had an experience before.
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What about you?
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Well, I did have one
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back here,
with one of my cooks.
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Okay.
- And a cup like this
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flew off
of that middle shelf
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toward us,
at the steam table.
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It bounced off
and broke on the floor.
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And nobody else was
in the kitchen at the time?
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- No.
- And nothin's gonna fall
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and fly all the way across,
at least 5-, 6-, 7-feet span.
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No. Not with the laws
of physics.
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Doesn't work that way.
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Well, it sounds like you had
a close call back here.
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That coulda been a knife
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and you could've been
seriously hurt.
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Boy.
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There's so many accidents here.
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It's abnormal.
It's not normal.
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It's freaking people out.
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People falling down, burn.
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You know, stupid ****
that's so constant,
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over and over and over again.
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Yeah, it's bad. You know,
it's not good, you know?
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It's a lot, a lot.
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So, have you had
any other experiences?
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Yes, I did, in the front
fine-dining room.
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Something brushed up
against the back of me.
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Did you get the sense it
might've been a man or a woman?
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No. I didn't get a sense
of an actual gender.
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I felt like it --
it was almost
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as if it was just
checking me out.
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All right, was the door open,
like maybe the wind?
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Nothing.
No staff. No one.
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what are you hopin' to get
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outta this investigation?
- I'm concerned for
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the customers
and employees.
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I want them
to feel safe.
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We really want you guys
to figure out
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what it is that's here
and get rid of it.
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What is that?
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There's a dog.
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But it's not a good dog.
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It's a bad dog!
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And I hear this is what they
need to be concerned about.
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They all feel things
brushing against them.
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This is this animal.
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It causes bad things to happen.
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Is it what's doin'
the stuff in here?
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Yes.
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I do think it's a possibility
that, other than just
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causing accidents
for living people here,
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I think that,
if the living have
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some kind of interaction
with the dog,
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they are possibly,
somehow, marked.
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To die.
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So, Deborah, I understand that
you're the office manager here.
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Yes. And I'm a healer,
a psychic, and a medium.
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Have you had
any experiences?
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Well, we had
a stretch of time here
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where people
were argumentative,
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irritable, depressed.
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How do you know
that this just wasn't
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employees bein'
in a bad mood?
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Well, it went on for
such an extended period
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and seemed to involve
so many different people,
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even people
who are normally,
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you know, even-keeled.
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Whether that's paranormal
or not, I don't know.
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Anything else?
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Yes, actually.
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I was walking through
the front dining room
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Okay.
- and I saw a man sitting
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at a table.
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I turned back around
to introduce myself
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and there was
no one there.
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Can you describe him for me?
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A little bit tall.
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The hair
was a little long,
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parted in the middle,
with wings.
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I could feel
his intense ownership,
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like he was looking
over the place
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or taking care of it.
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Okay. So now, if you saw
a sketch or a photo,
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would you be able
to identify him?
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Well, yes.
I already have.
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And, actually the
photograph's over there.
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Who is this guy?
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He's Henry Frank Gibson,
the former owner.
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That photo
is the guy you saw?
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Yes. And I had not
seen that photograph
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until several days after
I had seen the apparition.
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I'm seeing this larger male.
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He's in his 50s.
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His hair, a little longer,
a little.
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It feels like he had a lot
to do with this place.
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Feels like a...owner.
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Something weird is going on
with the dead here.
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There just seems to be an issue
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with the dead finding rest
in this specific area.
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The living are sensitive
and they will feel their deaths
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and they might not understand
what they're feeling.
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They would feel the sense
of dying, the dying process.
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I think they would also feel
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fear and sadness and anxious.
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So, Jane, I understand
that you work here.
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Yeah, for 5 years.
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Any experiences
you could tell me about?
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Well, yes.
When I was hosting,
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I sat four lovely ladies
at this very table
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and then I went
to the kitchen
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and came back and there
were only three,
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so I said, "Shall I wait
for the fourth one?"
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and they said, "No.
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There's only three
of us here."
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You sure that a fourth person
didn't come in right behind 'em
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and they were just
a single customer?
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I knew. I knew
there were four ladies.
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All right. So anything else?
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Entering the bar,
one night,
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an enormous, pitch-black,
triangular cape
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came flyin' at me from
the uppermost ceiling,
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00:12:23,059 --> 00:12:25,059
down, straight at me,
254
00:12:25,061 --> 00:12:28,530
to the point where
I physically jumped.
255
00:12:28,532 --> 00:12:29,931
And then it was gone.
256
00:12:29,933 --> 00:12:32,500
Did it look like it was
intentionally going at you?
257
00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,003
It did, sir,
and it was frightening.
258
00:12:40,977 --> 00:12:44,312
There are a group of beings
259
00:12:44,314 --> 00:12:53,888
out here
and they are like smoke.
260
00:12:53,890 --> 00:12:55,623
They're not solid.
261
00:12:55,625 --> 00:12:58,192
You can see through them.
262
00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:01,829
And their eyes are lights.
263
00:13:01,831 --> 00:13:04,866
They made me feel uncomfortable.
264
00:13:13,877 --> 00:13:15,677
What?
265
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,645
Just those things are here.
266
00:13:17,647 --> 00:13:20,081
- The smoky things?
- Yeah.
267
00:13:20,083 --> 00:13:21,950
How many of these
things are there?
268
00:13:21,952 --> 00:13:24,018
Four or five,
I'm thinkin'.
269
00:13:26,623 --> 00:13:28,189
Do you know what
these things are?
270
00:13:28,191 --> 00:13:31,392
I'm leaning towards
some kind of elementals.
271
00:13:31,394 --> 00:13:34,362
Elementals are entities
created by nature.
272
00:13:34,364 --> 00:13:37,098
They are not
necessarily dangerous.
273
00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:38,399
But these are.
274
00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:40,034
To me, they feel
like a threat.
275
00:13:48,812 --> 00:13:50,678
Heather, I understand
that you used to work here.
276
00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,748
Yes, I did.
I was a hostess, server.
277
00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:55,950
So, I assume you've had
experiences, then.
278
00:13:55,952 --> 00:13:57,552
Yes.
- Okay. Can you take me
279
00:13:57,554 --> 00:13:58,886
through some of 'em?
280
00:13:58,888 --> 00:14:00,955
I did feel some anxiety,
281
00:14:00,957 --> 00:14:03,424
just a tightness,
being in here.
282
00:14:03,426 --> 00:14:06,561
I can hear and feel
energies around me.
283
00:14:06,563 --> 00:14:09,530
I'm very sensitive
if there's another being,
284
00:14:09,532 --> 00:14:13,901
apparition, or energy.
285
00:14:13,903 --> 00:14:15,536
Okay.
So, anything else?
286
00:14:15,538 --> 00:14:18,373
I was in the bar area,
carrying trays,
287
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:22,310
and telling a gentlemen,
"Excuse me,"
288
00:14:22,312 --> 00:14:25,146
standing in my way,
wearing a plaid shirt.
289
00:14:25,148 --> 00:14:27,615
And I look.
There's nobody there.
290
00:14:27,617 --> 00:14:29,651
Okay. So can you
describe that person?
291
00:14:29,653 --> 00:14:33,021
Gruffy,
rough-looking, dirty.
292
00:14:33,023 --> 00:14:34,689
Have you seen him again
since that time?
293
00:14:34,691 --> 00:14:37,091
Yes.
In the kitchen area.
294
00:14:37,093 --> 00:14:38,593
I don't know,
'cause it's being New Age,
295
00:14:38,595 --> 00:14:40,194
or this is a woo-woo
type of town,
296
00:14:40,196 --> 00:14:43,865
but everybody seems to take
what's goin' on here kinda
297
00:14:43,867 --> 00:14:47,902
"We got ghosts, they throw
things, no big deal."
298
00:14:47,904 --> 00:14:49,971
This is what
goes on here.
299
00:14:49,973 --> 00:14:53,041
Okay.
So, anything else?
300
00:14:53,043 --> 00:14:55,143
When I would go and serve
in the dining room,
301
00:14:55,145 --> 00:14:57,011
I saw several
dead people
302
00:14:57,013 --> 00:14:59,013
standing
amongst the diners.
303
00:14:59,015 --> 00:15:00,848
How many people
you talkin'?
304
00:15:00,850 --> 00:15:02,784
5 to 12.
305
00:15:02,786 --> 00:15:04,285
How many times
has this happened?
306
00:15:04,287 --> 00:15:06,387
A few times, serving
in the dining room.
307
00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:07,689
I would almost
drop my tray,
308
00:15:07,691 --> 00:15:08,823
trying to move
around someone,
309
00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:10,024
thinking
that they're there,
310
00:15:10,026 --> 00:15:11,526
and then, all of a sudden,
they're gone.
311
00:15:11,528 --> 00:15:14,429
I- It made me
pretty uncomfortable,
312
00:15:14,431 --> 00:15:16,264
to encounter
something like that.
313
00:15:21,171 --> 00:15:27,008
I am extremely
creeped out.
314
00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:28,309
What's happening?
315
00:15:28,311 --> 00:15:33,848
Anybody who's died here
is set up like mannequins.
316
00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:36,617
There's people
in these chairs.
317
00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:42,757
But they're dead.
318
00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:45,026
It looks like their
physical bodies are here
319
00:15:45,028 --> 00:15:48,529
and their soul is stuck
in their physical body
320
00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:53,034
and they've been like
propped up like mannequins.
321
00:15:55,672 --> 00:15:59,440
They can't talk or move.
322
00:15:59,442 --> 00:16:02,110
I think the living
would maybe see this.
323
00:16:02,112 --> 00:16:05,012
This is
cree-ee-py.
324
00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:07,381
I don't like it.
325
00:16:22,105 --> 00:16:23,972
Joe didn't know much history
about his restaurant,
326
00:16:23,974 --> 00:16:25,273
so I made some calls
327
00:16:25,275 --> 00:16:28,209
and, it turns out, a guy
named George Nelson got shot
328
00:16:28,211 --> 00:16:31,613
and ended up dyin' in his
parking lot back in 1957.
329
00:16:31,615 --> 00:16:34,015
I managed to track down
the victim's nephew,
330
00:16:34,017 --> 00:16:36,284
who says, even though
this is still an open case,
331
00:16:36,286 --> 00:16:38,620
he's got his own theory
about what actually happened.
332
00:16:44,828 --> 00:16:49,064
So, Dan, before we get
to your uncle's tragic death,
333
00:16:49,066 --> 00:16:50,865
what can you
tell me about him?
334
00:16:50,867 --> 00:16:52,534
Here's a picture of him,
probably from when
335
00:16:52,536 --> 00:16:54,202
he was a senior
in high school.
336
00:16:54,204 --> 00:16:56,137
He was just friendly,
nice.
337
00:16:56,139 --> 00:16:57,772
Not an enemy
in the world.
338
00:16:57,774 --> 00:16:59,441
All right, Dan,
so, if you can,
339
00:16:59,443 --> 00:17:00,975
take me through the night
of the murder. What happened?
340
00:17:00,977 --> 00:17:04,346
It happened
May 25, 1957,
341
00:17:04,348 --> 00:17:05,847
by the bar that
you're investigating.
342
00:17:05,849 --> 00:17:08,283
Rainbow's End was what
it was called back then.
343
00:17:08,285 --> 00:17:10,251
My uncle was with a couple
of his friends,
344
00:17:10,253 --> 00:17:12,053
a couple of his buddies,
then there was
345
00:17:12,055 --> 00:17:14,589
two younger girls
that they had picked up.
346
00:17:14,591 --> 00:17:16,891
They all piled
in the car.
347
00:17:16,893 --> 00:17:19,027
My uncle was in the
passenger seat up front.
348
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:20,628
Okay.
- And one of his friends
349
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:22,497
was driving and then
the other guy was
350
00:17:22,499 --> 00:17:24,599
in the backseat,
between the two girls.
351
00:17:24,601 --> 00:17:26,101
One thing you should know
is the friend
352
00:17:26,103 --> 00:17:27,402
who was driving
was married
353
00:17:27,404 --> 00:17:30,605
and the guy who was in the
back had a girlfriend.
354
00:17:30,607 --> 00:17:34,409
They'd just left
Rainbow's End
355
00:17:34,411 --> 00:17:36,144
and they passed by a car
356
00:17:36,146 --> 00:17:37,912
that was sittin' on the
side of the road.
357
00:17:37,914 --> 00:17:39,781
All of a sudden,
the car pulls up bes--
358
00:17:39,783 --> 00:17:41,416
behind 'em,
started following.
359
00:17:41,418 --> 00:17:43,385
George turned around
to the guy in the backseat
360
00:17:43,387 --> 00:17:45,320
and said,
"You'd better duck down,
361
00:17:45,322 --> 00:17:46,855
'cause your girlfriend's
followin' us."
362
00:17:46,857 --> 00:17:48,623
So your uncle
recognized the car?
363
00:17:48,625 --> 00:17:51,393
Yes. All of a sudden,
boom! Gunshot.
364
00:17:51,395 --> 00:17:53,895
The back window shattered.
It hit my uncle in the head.
365
00:17:53,897 --> 00:17:57,365
There's brains everywhere,
total chaos.
366
00:17:57,367 --> 00:17:59,534
Witnesses told me that
they saw my uncle
367
00:17:59,536 --> 00:18:02,270
"gurgling" on the
floorboards of the car,
368
00:18:02,272 --> 00:18:03,805
so, even though his brains
were blown apart,
369
00:18:03,807 --> 00:18:05,473
he was still alive.
370
00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:06,674
You know, his body
was still alive.
371
00:18:06,676 --> 00:18:08,510
He was breathing.
And they turned around
372
00:18:08,512 --> 00:18:11,112
and went back
to Rainbow's End,
373
00:18:11,114 --> 00:18:14,115
but, by then, it was
too late. He was dead.
374
00:18:14,117 --> 00:18:15,683
I have a copy of
375
00:18:15,685 --> 00:18:17,652
my uncle's death
certificate right here.
376
00:18:21,825 --> 00:18:23,358
So do you think
this girl intended
377
00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,160
to kill somebody
in that car?
378
00:18:25,162 --> 00:18:26,694
I think she was actually
just trying to scare them
379
00:18:26,696 --> 00:18:29,931
and my uncle died
because of it.
380
00:18:29,933 --> 00:18:32,667
So, officially,
George Nelson's murder
381
00:18:32,669 --> 00:18:34,502
is unsolved, to this day.
382
00:18:39,276 --> 00:18:42,610
There's some kind of
gunfight.
383
00:18:42,612 --> 00:18:45,380
I feel like somebody
got shot with a shotgun.
384
00:18:49,286 --> 00:18:50,952
It's a guy and he's young.
385
00:18:54,157 --> 00:18:56,224
It takes him a while to die.
386
00:19:01,531 --> 00:19:04,332
It hurts.
It horribly hurts.
387
00:19:04,334 --> 00:19:06,935
It hurts so **** bad.
388
00:19:17,147 --> 00:19:19,214
So far, I've got
a restaurant owner scared
389
00:19:19,216 --> 00:19:22,584
for the safety of his employees
and guests, on a property
390
00:19:22,586 --> 00:19:25,320
where a man died of a gunshot
wound to the head.
391
00:19:25,322 --> 00:19:27,489
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
392
00:19:27,491 --> 00:19:30,091
Searchin' through old records,
I find an article
393
00:19:30,093 --> 00:19:33,094
about a local man
who died in 2006.
394
00:19:33,096 --> 00:19:34,829
Turns out, he was run over
by a car
395
00:19:34,831 --> 00:19:36,531
right outside
my client's property.
396
00:19:39,769 --> 00:19:41,769
I'm on my way to meet
with the county sheriff,
397
00:19:41,771 --> 00:19:44,772
who says the victim used to be
a regular at Joe's restaurant.
398
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:53,915
So, this guy that got killed
399
00:19:53,917 --> 00:19:55,583
right outside
my client's restaurant,
400
00:19:55,585 --> 00:19:57,752
did you find out
anything about him?
401
00:19:57,754 --> 00:20:00,054
Actually, I have a photo
of him right here.
402
00:20:00,056 --> 00:20:02,090
Randy Lee Austin.
403
00:20:02,092 --> 00:20:03,658
54 years old.
404
00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:07,662
He was kind of a drifter.
Came to Sedona in 2005.
405
00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:10,265
He would spend
a lot of time at Relics.
406
00:20:10,267 --> 00:20:12,667
What about the day of his death?
What happened?
407
00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:15,803
April 4, 2006,
he went to Relics,
408
00:20:15,805 --> 00:20:17,171
spent some time there
409
00:20:17,173 --> 00:20:18,907
at your client's
establishment.
410
00:20:18,909 --> 00:20:21,075
Okay.
- And, as it got dark,
411
00:20:21,077 --> 00:20:22,710
he left the bar.
A couple witnesses
412
00:20:22,712 --> 00:20:24,646
had seem him
crossing the street.
413
00:20:24,648 --> 00:20:27,115
Another witness said
he saw him gettin' down,
414
00:20:27,117 --> 00:20:29,817
actually just laying down,
facedown, on the street,
415
00:20:29,819 --> 00:20:33,221
when an oncoming car
skidded right over
416
00:20:33,223 --> 00:20:35,356
the top of him,
killing him instantly.
417
00:20:35,358 --> 00:20:38,226
Here is a copy
418
00:20:38,228 --> 00:20:42,063
of the obituary
in the newspaper.
419
00:20:42,065 --> 00:20:43,765
Why would he be laying down
on the road, though?
420
00:20:43,767 --> 00:20:45,700
Well, he was
an alcoholic.
421
00:20:50,006 --> 00:20:51,806
I'm getting another death here.
422
00:20:54,611 --> 00:20:57,612
There's something
about a car accident.
423
00:21:03,286 --> 00:21:06,487
Somebody **** up
their back, bad.
424
00:21:06,489 --> 00:21:08,723
So **** bad.
425
00:21:08,725 --> 00:21:10,692
My God.
426
00:21:10,694 --> 00:21:13,661
I think the dog foretells
accidents and stuff,
427
00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,396
that it likes to do that.
428
00:21:20,103 --> 00:21:22,637
I think that, if the living
429
00:21:22,639 --> 00:21:25,206
encounter the dog,
in some fashion,
430
00:21:25,208 --> 00:21:28,109
like it could be
like a harbinger
431
00:21:28,111 --> 00:21:29,844
of death.
432
00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,883
If the living see
or hear this dog,
433
00:21:35,885 --> 00:21:39,687
it means they're
going to die soon.
434
00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,522
But it doesn't mean
they're gonna die here,
435
00:21:41,524 --> 00:21:43,725
like the car accident thing.
436
00:21:43,727 --> 00:21:46,194
But it seems like some people
437
00:21:46,196 --> 00:21:49,897
who start their dying process
here or who die here,
438
00:21:49,899 --> 00:21:52,333
you're either stuck
in your death state
439
00:21:52,335 --> 00:21:55,036
or you're like turned
into a mannequin.
440
00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:05,313
If you need us to investigate
441
00:22:05,315 --> 00:22:07,215
unexplained activity
in your home,
442
00:22:07,217 --> 00:22:10,284
go to the "Dead Files" page
at travelchannel.com.
443
00:22:10,286 --> 00:22:11,552
Click on "Help me,
Dead Files!"
444
00:22:11,554 --> 00:22:12,854
to submit your story
and we'll help if we can.
445
00:22:24,192 --> 00:22:25,492
You could pretty much
throw a dart
446
00:22:25,494 --> 00:22:27,861
at a map of the U.S.
and you'll hit a spot
447
00:22:27,863 --> 00:22:29,996
where the Native Americans
got the shaft.
448
00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:31,331
It's no different here.
449
00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:33,266
I'm on my way to meet
with an author who's going to
450
00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:35,635
tell me about what the locals
call The Removal.
451
00:22:43,512 --> 00:22:45,512
So, Melissa, thanks for
helpin' me out with this case.
452
00:22:45,514 --> 00:22:47,180
Before we get to The Removal,
453
00:22:47,182 --> 00:22:48,948
who were the
Native Americans here?
454
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:50,784
Okay, there were two
basic tribes in the area.
455
00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:53,119
They were the Yavapai
and the Apache
456
00:22:53,121 --> 00:22:54,688
and they both came in
about the same time,
457
00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:57,057
about the mid-1400s.
458
00:22:57,059 --> 00:22:59,359
After the Civil War,
late 1860s,
459
00:22:59,361 --> 00:23:02,462
people started pushing West,
so, first, the miners
460
00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:04,631
came in, looking
for gold and silver,
461
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,300
and then, right after them
came white settlers.
462
00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:09,169
Okay. So how'd that go?
463
00:23:09,171 --> 00:23:10,670
Well, it didn't go
very well.
464
00:23:10,672 --> 00:23:13,273
There were minor clashes
here and there,
465
00:23:13,275 --> 00:23:17,577
until 1872 and the
Skeleton Cave Massacre.
466
00:23:17,579 --> 00:23:18,745
Okay, so what happened there?
467
00:23:18,747 --> 00:23:20,780
The soldiers were told
to round up
468
00:23:20,782 --> 00:23:22,182
all the Yavapai
and Apache
469
00:23:22,184 --> 00:23:23,917
and bring them
to the new reservation.
470
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:25,652
They heard that
there were some Apache
471
00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:27,587
held up in a cave.
472
00:23:27,589 --> 00:23:29,456
They went to get them
and they fought back.
473
00:23:29,458 --> 00:23:31,191
How many did they kill?
474
00:23:31,193 --> 00:23:33,927
Well, they killed
75 Indians
475
00:23:33,929 --> 00:23:35,462
and they captured
probably 30.
476
00:23:35,464 --> 00:23:36,863
That's brutal.
477
00:23:36,865 --> 00:23:38,631
That was brutal.
As a matter of fact,
478
00:23:38,633 --> 00:23:42,802
this picture is
of the cave in 1908.
479
00:23:42,804 --> 00:23:44,671
So these bones were there
this whole time?
480
00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:46,539
They were there
the whole time.
481
00:23:46,541 --> 00:23:47,841
And, of course,
a lot of the bones
482
00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:49,809
were scattered
by wild animals.
483
00:23:49,811 --> 00:23:52,545
So the next plan,
in 1875,
484
00:23:52,547 --> 00:23:56,516
was to march them
180 miles south to the
485
00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:59,119
San Carlos reservation,
close to Phoenix.
486
00:23:59,121 --> 00:24:01,087
For whatever reason,
they decided to do this
487
00:24:01,089 --> 00:24:02,389
in February.
488
00:24:02,391 --> 00:24:04,991
1,500 people
started the march
489
00:24:04,993 --> 00:24:07,560
and hundreds died
along the way.
490
00:24:07,562 --> 00:24:10,897
I'm curious 'cause,
Native Americans,
491
00:24:10,899 --> 00:24:12,599
the way they bury people
is pretty sacred.
492
00:24:12,601 --> 00:24:14,167
What happened with the dead
along the trail?
493
00:24:14,169 --> 00:24:15,301
They were not allowed
494
00:24:15,303 --> 00:24:17,003
to stop and take care
of the dead.
495
00:24:17,005 --> 00:24:18,872
They were forced
to just leave the dead,
496
00:24:18,874 --> 00:24:21,107
or probably
sick or injured,
497
00:24:21,109 --> 00:24:23,309
where they lay
and just keep marching.
498
00:24:23,311 --> 00:24:24,778
That's pretty nasty.
499
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:27,914
It is, yeah. And,
unfortunately, the whites
500
00:24:27,916 --> 00:24:30,150
didn't have much empathy
for the Indians, you know?
501
00:24:30,152 --> 00:24:33,186
They had trouble
seeing them as "human."
502
00:24:40,328 --> 00:24:43,263
A Native American
came up to me.
503
00:24:43,265 --> 00:24:46,833
I'm feeling
a lot of people,
504
00:24:46,835 --> 00:24:48,101
being disturbed.
505
00:24:48,103 --> 00:24:52,105
They're not
being able to rest.
506
00:24:52,107 --> 00:24:53,406
This isn't right.
507
00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:55,842
This is wrong.
They're very unhappy.
508
00:24:55,844 --> 00:24:57,110
They're very sad.
509
00:24:57,112 --> 00:24:58,778
There's a lot of crying.
510
00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:00,513
Do you know what happened
to the dead here?
511
00:25:00,515 --> 00:25:05,652
It was over a period of time
and they were happy, dead,
512
00:25:05,654 --> 00:25:10,390
and then something happened
and they woke up
513
00:25:10,392 --> 00:25:14,994
and then they were disturbed
and they're unhappy and crying.
514
00:25:14,996 --> 00:25:16,930
Do you have any idea
of when this happened?
515
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,132
It was dirt.
516
00:25:19,134 --> 00:25:20,967
Long time ago.
517
00:25:20,969 --> 00:25:25,939
There's so much illness
and mental anguish.
518
00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:29,042
I'm feeling a lot of panic
back here, a lot of chaos.
519
00:25:31,813 --> 00:25:35,882
I feel like the living
who are here a lot,
520
00:25:35,884 --> 00:25:38,818
they could form disorders.
521
00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:40,954
And I mean like
full-on disorders,
522
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:43,490
like general-anxiety disorders.
523
00:25:43,492 --> 00:25:45,592
Severe stomach issues
would develop.
524
00:25:45,594 --> 00:25:48,228
Esophagus issues would develop.
525
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:50,763
This is bad.
526
00:25:55,971 --> 00:25:58,304
I saw several disturbing
things on my walk,
527
00:25:58,306 --> 00:26:00,807
but the dead people
propped up like mannequins
528
00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:04,410
in the dining room
had me the most concerned.
529
00:26:04,412 --> 00:26:08,681
It's dark
and they can't move.
530
00:26:08,683 --> 00:26:11,784
They're trapped
inside their bodies?
531
00:26:11,786 --> 00:26:15,188
And their eyes were
very scary to me.
532
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:18,591
They were extremely intense.
533
00:26:27,035 --> 00:26:29,569
Is this what you saw?
534
00:26:29,571 --> 00:26:31,104
Yes, that's what I saw.
535
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,512
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
536
00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:57,614
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
537
00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,450
and our clients
for the first time.
538
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,619
So, Amy,
I want you to meet Joe.
539
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:05,221
You wanna know how many
experiences he's had?
540
00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,123
Zero. None.
541
00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:08,558
Reason he's called us in is
542
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,161
because of people like Deborah,
who's his office manager;
543
00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:14,331
and Heather, who worked here
for a few years.
544
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:16,399
They've had a lot
of experiences.
545
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:19,069
Joe thinks the paranormal
is costing him business,
546
00:27:19,071 --> 00:27:21,771
but his biggest concern
is the safety
547
00:27:21,773 --> 00:27:24,341
for his customers
and his employees.
548
00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:25,575
He wants to know
what the hell is here
549
00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:27,577
and how to get rid of it.
550
00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:29,612
So now that I told Amy
a little bit about you guys,
551
00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:32,882
I'm gonna have her
describe her walk.
552
00:27:32,884 --> 00:27:37,087
When I arrived,
I was very distracted
553
00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:41,358
by a lot of chaotic
and confusing energy.
554
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,628
It had to do
with random objects.
555
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:50,066
Specifically, the wood
flooring was bothersome.
556
00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:56,740
The bar and some objects
on display in the back room,
557
00:27:56,742 --> 00:28:00,910
these items were
emitting chaotic energy
558
00:28:00,912 --> 00:28:05,315
and it just added
to the overall
559
00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:08,551
intense energy
of this location.
560
00:28:08,553 --> 00:28:10,286
Amy, there's a few things
you should know about Joe
561
00:28:10,288 --> 00:28:11,688
and this place.
562
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,123
Now, you were talkin' about
the floor and the bar.
563
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:14,891
Joe and his business
partner, Karyn,
564
00:28:14,893 --> 00:28:17,861
did extensive renovations
on this place
565
00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:19,929
when they bought it
about 13 years ago.
566
00:28:19,931 --> 00:28:22,499
Joe sank his life
savings into it.
567
00:28:22,501 --> 00:28:26,803
This what the bar
used to look like before.
568
00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:28,905
This is circa 1980.
- Wow.
569
00:28:28,907 --> 00:28:30,540
Obviously,
just from comin' in here,
570
00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,510
you can see the huge amount
of work that was done.
571
00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:34,911
Interesting.
572
00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:36,446
That makes a lot of sense.
573
00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:41,684
So, during my walk,
574
00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:45,755
I'm getting sicker
and sicker and drained.
575
00:28:45,757 --> 00:28:49,325
I do think that living
individuals here
576
00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:53,163
might feel some
of that at times,
577
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:57,066
because there's a lot of stress,
a lot of anxiety.
578
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,903
And what I got,
in extreme cases,
579
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:03,339
so if you're here consistently
or if you're really sensitive,
580
00:29:03,341 --> 00:29:07,677
you could develop some
stomach problems, like ulcers.
581
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:08,978
Amy, there's something
you should know about
582
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:11,514
the two ladies
on both sides of Joe.
583
00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:14,050
Both of them are sensitives
584
00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:16,553
and both of them have
spent a lot of time here.
585
00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:18,588
Now, we didn't discuss sickness
586
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,089
when I interviewed
both you ladies,
587
00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:23,860
but anxiety and stress
was definitely a thing.
588
00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:26,729
I agree with the stress
and the anxiety.
589
00:29:26,731 --> 00:29:28,765
Just so much pressure,
590
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:32,569
so much energy coming
at you all at once.
591
00:29:32,571 --> 00:29:37,440
Deborah, you talked to me about
the bad vibes in this place.
592
00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:39,042
There was
a extended period
593
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:41,077
where there were
a lot of dissension,
594
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,647
a lot of arguments, a lot
of customer complaints,
595
00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:47,350
and it was going on
amongst many people
596
00:29:47,352 --> 00:29:49,486
for a prolonged period,
and even among people
597
00:29:49,488 --> 00:29:52,388
who are normally
eventempered.
598
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:53,623
Interesting.
599
00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:56,226
Okay, so what else
on the walk?
600
00:29:56,228 --> 00:30:00,497
So, I went into the kitchen
601
00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:02,632
and what I saw happening
in the kitchen
602
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:06,035
were a lot of ridiculous
accidents
603
00:30:06,037 --> 00:30:10,273
and the thing that was causing
these accidents was a dead dog.
604
00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:13,343
I got that it
is extremely negative
605
00:30:13,345 --> 00:30:18,047
and it's been here
for a very long time.
606
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:21,317
The living might feel it
brush up against them.
607
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,921
They might feel weight against
them, causing them to move.
608
00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:29,792
If people encounter the dog
and they see it or they hear it,
609
00:30:29,794 --> 00:30:34,597
that could actually indicate
that that person might die.
610
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:41,137
It doesn't cause
someone to die,
611
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:47,076
but it could possibly
foretell their death.
612
00:30:47,078 --> 00:30:49,646
You're talkin' about
accidents in the kitchen.
613
00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:51,748
Joe, tell Amy
614
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,450
what happened
to Karyn with the cup.
615
00:30:54,452 --> 00:30:59,489
Karyn actually experienced
a cup fly across the room
616
00:30:59,491 --> 00:31:01,558
and she was in there
with one of her cooks
617
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,326
and they both saw it.
618
00:31:03,328 --> 00:31:05,595
Now, she also told somethin'
'bout her gettin'...
619
00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:08,464
Brushed behind her,
that's correct.
620
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:10,700
She was just walking
through
621
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:12,769
the dining room up front.
622
00:31:12,771 --> 00:31:15,905
and she experienced
something behind her
623
00:31:15,907 --> 00:31:17,907
that she could sense
very clearly,
624
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:19,642
but nothing was there
when she looked.
625
00:31:19,644 --> 00:31:21,077
Boy.
626
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,646
That's not good.
627
00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:28,484
So what else?
628
00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,920
There were a couple of people
that I encountered
629
00:31:30,922 --> 00:31:33,856
who seemed to be stuck
in their death states
630
00:31:33,858 --> 00:31:37,493
and reliving their deaths
over and over and over again.
631
00:31:37,495 --> 00:31:42,098
I encountered one individual
in the bar area.
632
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,967
This was a younger male.
633
00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,669
I got that this person was shot
634
00:31:46,671 --> 00:31:51,841
and it felt like my insides
were just ripped apart.
635
00:31:51,843 --> 00:31:54,644
It was extremely painful.
636
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:59,148
I know that it took quite
some time to die from this.
637
00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,317
Somethin' I came across
in my research,
638
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,020
there was a guy who was shot
639
00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:06,689
and then died
in the parkin' lot right here.
640
00:32:06,691 --> 00:32:09,292
This happened
on May 25, 1957.
641
00:32:09,294 --> 00:32:11,027
19-year-old
George Nelson came here
642
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:13,129
with some friends for a drink.
643
00:32:13,131 --> 00:32:14,597
I actually have
a picture of him.
644
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:18,968
So, now, when they finished
drinking here,
645
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:21,838
George, two guys, and two girls
piled into a car
646
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,206
and started to leave.
647
00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:25,908
Guy in the front seat
that was driving was married.
648
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,945
And the guy sitting
in the back had a girlfriend.
649
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,913
During the drive, George noticed
that there was a car
650
00:32:30,915 --> 00:32:33,416
following 'em
right outside here.
651
00:32:33,418 --> 00:32:34,550
Before he could do anything,
652
00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:37,453
a shot went through
the back windshield.
653
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:38,688
He was struck in the head
by the bullet,
654
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:39,822
but it didn't kill him
right away.
655
00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:43,593
They drove back here
to the parkin' lot
656
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:47,363
and he wound up goin' DOA here.
657
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:50,600
gunshot wound to the head.
658
00:32:52,904 --> 00:32:58,241
Now, the case is still unsolved,
but I spoke to George's nephew.
659
00:32:58,243 --> 00:33:01,978
He thinks that the car
that followed them belonged
660
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,881
to the girlfriend
of one of the guys in the car.
661
00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:06,215
According to him,
the girl was jealous
662
00:33:06,217 --> 00:33:08,484
and she mighta been
tryin' to scare them,
663
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:09,752
wound up killin' a guy.
664
00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:12,655
But she was never questioned
about the shooting.
665
00:33:12,657 --> 00:33:14,457
Wow.
666
00:33:17,429 --> 00:33:19,362
So I'm back in the kitchen
667
00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:21,798
and I felt that there
was another death.
668
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,801
It had to do with something
with the dog.
669
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:28,738
I got that there
was a car accident,
670
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:33,042
their back
was horribly damaged.
671
00:33:33,044 --> 00:33:36,412
I was in so much pain at the
time that I had to kneel down.
672
00:33:36,414 --> 00:33:42,485
I got that this happened
very close to this location.
673
00:33:42,487 --> 00:33:43,553
I think I know
what she's talkin' about.
674
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:45,054
I'm pretty sure you do.
675
00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:46,322
There was a car accident
that happened
676
00:33:46,324 --> 00:33:49,826
right on the street here
next to Relics back in 2006.
677
00:33:49,828 --> 00:33:54,130
Randy Austin, he was
a regular customer here.
678
00:33:54,132 --> 00:33:57,467
I've got a photo.
679
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:59,969
Now, he drank here all the time,
pretty much every day.
680
00:33:59,971 --> 00:34:01,904
We found out he was a drifter,
kind of a homeless guy,
681
00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:03,539
here and there.
682
00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:07,543
On April 4, 2006,
after a long day of drinking,
683
00:34:07,545 --> 00:34:09,579
he walked out of the bar
684
00:34:09,581 --> 00:34:11,881
and laid facedown on the road,
for some reason.
685
00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,316
What?
686
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:14,917
Now, it's pitch-black out there.
687
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:17,353
Oncoming car didn't him
until it was too late.
688
00:34:17,355 --> 00:34:19,489
It ran right over him.
- My --
689
00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:20,990
He died at the scene.
690
00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:22,225
Now, the driver was cleared.
691
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,494
It was obviously an accident.
692
00:34:24,496 --> 00:34:26,429
He was known
by a lot of people
693
00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:29,165
and it was a very sad
incident when that occurred.
694
00:34:29,167 --> 00:34:32,668
No one really understood
why he did that, either.
695
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:36,272
So, Amy, do you think
that's the same guy?
696
00:34:36,274 --> 00:34:39,142
It could be.
697
00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:41,577
Which is awful.
698
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:44,013
If it is him,
it's unfortunate
699
00:34:44,015 --> 00:34:47,450
because he would be stuck
in his death state.
700
00:34:51,656 --> 00:34:54,423
Okay, so we've got accidents.
We got shootings.
701
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:56,159
What else?
702
00:34:56,161 --> 00:35:01,631
I went into the area that is
kinda like decorated Victorian.
703
00:35:01,633 --> 00:35:03,900
Which is that front dining room.
704
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:10,473
And there were these
smoky, grayish, blackish,
705
00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:15,344
foggy things
that had light for eyes.
706
00:35:19,083 --> 00:35:21,818
Aaaaah!
707
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,920
What?
708
00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:26,055
Just, those things are here.
709
00:35:28,326 --> 00:35:31,894
I kinda pride myself on not
being afraid of too many things
710
00:35:31,896 --> 00:35:34,163
and this just really
caught me off-guard.
711
00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:35,631
What are these things?
712
00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:39,569
They're elementals, which means
they were never alive.
713
00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:43,739
And then, at the tables,
I saw like
714
00:35:43,741 --> 00:35:46,542
what initially I thought
were mannequins
715
00:35:46,544 --> 00:35:48,678
and there were
about 10 of 'em.
716
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,716
And then I hear the screaming
and I'm like "Okay."
717
00:35:53,718 --> 00:36:00,756
What I got was that these
entities had, over many years,
718
00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:04,460
collected several
deceased people
719
00:36:04,462 --> 00:36:08,397
and, unfortunately through
that collecting process,
720
00:36:08,399 --> 00:36:16,372
they have trapped them here,
their souls and their bodies.
721
00:36:16,374 --> 00:36:18,441
- All right.
- Walking into the dining room,
722
00:36:18,443 --> 00:36:19,508
- Yeah.
- what did I see?
723
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,878
- Yeah, tell her.
- People just --
724
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,446
between 5 and 12,
725
00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:26,649
just standing
amongst the diners,
726
00:36:26,651 --> 00:36:28,918
for no reason.
727
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,255
It was
an uncomfortable feeling.
728
00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:34,223
I did have a sketch done.
729
00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:37,693
Frankly, I did find it
very disturbing.
730
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,029
I would not spend
a long time in that room.
731
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:41,797
It absolutely creeped me out.
732
00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:49,472
I don't know if you guys
wanna go back in that room
733
00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:50,640
after seein' this.
734
00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:05,655
I recognize it.
735
00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:06,923
Really?
736
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:08,324
Yeah.
737
00:37:08,326 --> 00:37:10,192
I've seen
this sort of thing
738
00:37:10,194 --> 00:37:13,863
many, many times,
over and over again.
739
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:17,633
It's like something
from a horror movie.
740
00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:20,303
This means a lot,
that you've seen this,
741
00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:24,073
because I can't share this
with other people.
742
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:27,910
So what do these smoky creatures
want with the dead people?
743
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:32,782
They're collecting them because
they think they're beautiful.
744
00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:34,150
Like they're dolls.
745
00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:35,918
They just put 'em
where they want 'em.
746
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,187
- Like a toy to them.
- Yeah.
747
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:42,892
And you believe
that those individuals
748
00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:46,696
may be these individuals?
749
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:48,297
I think it's highly likely.
750
00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:53,803
So, Deborah, I noticed
you got a little emotional.
751
00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:56,305
Well, I think
the suffering
752
00:37:56,307 --> 00:37:59,809
of those souls needs
to be addressed.
753
00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:02,912
Joe, it looks like you
called us in just in time.
754
00:38:02,914 --> 00:38:05,047
It is bad.
It's really bad.
755
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:25,009
So, Joe,
I know you're a skeptic,
756
00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:27,579
but you gotta be pretty blown
away by what you heard tonight.
757
00:38:27,581 --> 00:38:29,814
- Absolutely.
- Now comes the hard part.
758
00:38:29,816 --> 00:38:32,283
We're gonna find out
what it's gonna take for you
759
00:38:32,285 --> 00:38:34,319
to make your restaurant
safe again
760
00:38:34,321 --> 00:38:35,987
and, for that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
761
00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:44,329
The first thing
is the residual energy.
762
00:38:44,331 --> 00:38:49,968
The entire location needs to be
cleaned, from top to bottom,
763
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:56,508
I'm thinking about one time
per month, for 6 months.
764
00:38:56,510 --> 00:39:00,245
I know that's a big job,
but this is the best thing
765
00:39:00,247 --> 00:39:03,748
to remove all of this
collected energy.
766
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:05,950
And then, once that's done,
767
00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:09,053
a shaman and a medium need
to be contacted,
768
00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:12,390
who are willing
to work together.
769
00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:16,428
What I would like the shaman
to do is to perform a ritual
770
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:21,666
to reach out to the elementals,
to appease them.
771
00:39:21,668 --> 00:39:26,004
Once that ritual's completed,
the medium needs to step in
772
00:39:26,006 --> 00:39:28,406
and help any
of the deceased individuals
773
00:39:28,408 --> 00:39:30,842
who don't go on their own.
774
00:39:30,844 --> 00:39:32,777
Many will probably just leave,
775
00:39:32,779 --> 00:39:36,281
but some might be a little
stunned, confused,
776
00:39:36,283 --> 00:39:40,318
and the medium may need to
assist them in moving them on.
777
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,920
Will the dog go, too?
778
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:43,888
Yes.
779
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:45,223
So, when the shaman
comes in,
780
00:39:45,225 --> 00:39:47,659
is he gonna get rid
of these smoky things?
781
00:39:47,661 --> 00:39:51,029
No. What he or she
will do is
782
00:39:51,031 --> 00:39:56,634
a ritual that will send
a clear message and intention
783
00:39:56,636 --> 00:40:00,505
that they are being
acknowledged,
784
00:40:00,507 --> 00:40:05,877
that respect will now be given,
that we understand
785
00:40:05,879 --> 00:40:08,947
what they've been through,
and things of that nature.
786
00:40:08,949 --> 00:40:10,148
All right.
So they'll stay here,
787
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:11,850
but they're not gonna trap
any more souls.
788
00:40:11,852 --> 00:40:14,786
Correct.
789
00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,255
They'll leave, but these
guys are still here,
790
00:40:17,257 --> 00:40:18,656
with the scary eyes,
791
00:40:18,658 --> 00:40:22,093
shootin' down
in my dining room?
792
00:40:22,095 --> 00:40:24,596
Unfortunately, yes.
793
00:40:24,598 --> 00:40:27,465
So people may see these
things, living people?
794
00:40:27,467 --> 00:40:31,336
I think, if they're
sensitive, yeah.
795
00:40:31,338 --> 00:40:34,906
Then, after that,
at least once a week,
796
00:40:34,908 --> 00:40:38,710
you need to make an offering
to the elementals.
797
00:40:38,712 --> 00:40:42,347
And my suggestion is to go
to one of the local
798
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:46,718
metaphysical stores and,
whatever you feel pulled to,
799
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,655
that's them letting you know,
"This is what we want."
800
00:40:50,657 --> 00:40:53,992
So you bring that object
back and you say,
801
00:40:53,994 --> 00:40:55,426
"This is now for you"
802
00:40:55,428 --> 00:40:59,931
and you can select an area
to place the object in.
803
00:40:59,933 --> 00:41:02,901
So as far as the cleansing,
once a month for 6 months,
804
00:41:02,903 --> 00:41:03,902
how will it feel
for them?
805
00:41:03,904 --> 00:41:05,904
Yeah.
It's gonna be good.
806
00:41:05,906 --> 00:41:07,205
Good energy.
807
00:41:07,207 --> 00:41:11,309
I'm very pleased that all
of this came out.
808
00:41:11,311 --> 00:41:13,578
I'm willing to try it.
809
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:14,946
So, Joe, I know
you put your heart
810
00:41:14,948 --> 00:41:17,582
and soul into this place
and it means everything to you.
811
00:41:17,584 --> 00:41:20,018
As far as all this stuff
Amy suggests to do,
812
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:22,921
are you gonna
take that task on?
813
00:41:22,923 --> 00:41:25,890
Absolutely.
814
00:41:25,892 --> 00:41:28,626
It's too easy.
815
00:41:28,628 --> 00:41:30,795
Joe has a lot of work to do,
if he wants to keep
816
00:41:30,797 --> 00:41:34,132
his employees and guests
out of harm's way.
817
00:41:34,134 --> 00:41:35,333
With the help of a shaman,
818
00:41:35,335 --> 00:41:38,069
the elementals will stop
trapping the dead;
819
00:41:38,071 --> 00:41:40,939
and, with the help of a medium,
the dead can move on,
820
00:41:40,941 --> 00:41:43,508
allowing Joe to run
his restaurant safely
821
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:45,343
for many years to come.
822
00:41:45,393 --> 00:41:49,943
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