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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,045 --> 00:00:39,212 - Okay, this is Ruth Litoff's photography 2 00:00:39,296 --> 00:00:43,337 and a portrait of her sister. 3 00:00:43,421 --> 00:00:47,588 Do you want to talk about your sister? 4 00:00:47,671 --> 00:00:49,920 - I love my sister very much. 5 00:00:50,004 --> 00:00:52,337 She's probably the most important person to me 6 00:00:52,421 --> 00:00:55,796 in the world. 7 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:14,255 - So... 8 00:01:14,338 --> 00:01:16,963 What are your plans for the storage space? 9 00:01:22,171 --> 00:01:23,963 - What do you mean? 10 00:01:24,046 --> 00:01:25,714 - Um... 11 00:01:25,797 --> 00:01:27,380 Are you gonna look at the things? 12 00:01:27,463 --> 00:01:32,046 When do you think that you're gonna do that? 13 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:38,631 - I don't like to remember things, 14 00:01:38,715 --> 00:01:41,631 and I feel like all the memories are in there. 15 00:01:46,756 --> 00:01:50,256 Okay, we're gonna do it. 16 00:01:50,339 --> 00:01:52,756 If I throw up on that lens, 17 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,256 are we covered? - Yeah. 18 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:08,131 Are you worried that when 19 00:02:08,214 --> 00:02:09,339 I start looking through this stuff, 20 00:02:09,423 --> 00:02:11,881 that I'm gonna go crazy? 21 00:02:11,964 --> 00:02:14,423 - I worry that you think you're gonna go crazy. 22 00:02:52,424 --> 00:02:55,674 - You know Jane got me a space in Brooklyn for three months. 23 00:02:55,757 --> 00:02:57,258 - That's good. 24 00:03:00,508 --> 00:03:02,883 - Hi, I'm Hope. - Chris. 25 00:03:05,966 --> 00:03:08,008 - Everyone in my suicide bereavement group 26 00:03:08,091 --> 00:03:11,008 has a storage space that they can't unpack 27 00:03:11,091 --> 00:03:12,883 of their dead person. 28 00:03:12,966 --> 00:03:14,800 - Are you the first person to unpack her storage space? 29 00:03:14,883 --> 00:03:18,258 - I'm gonna be the first one. 30 00:03:18,341 --> 00:03:20,924 - Do you think that this is gonna be helpful? 31 00:03:21,008 --> 00:03:22,341 You feel compelled to do it? 32 00:03:22,425 --> 00:03:24,924 - I feel compelled to do it. 33 00:03:25,008 --> 00:03:26,049 - Clearing everything out? 34 00:03:26,133 --> 00:03:26,966 - Yeah. 35 00:03:30,883 --> 00:03:32,842 It's been six years. 36 00:03:32,924 --> 00:03:35,091 I feel like I've trapped her in there... 37 00:03:39,967 --> 00:03:42,759 but I think she's mad at me. 38 00:03:42,843 --> 00:03:45,634 - Why? 39 00:03:45,718 --> 00:03:49,593 - Because I was a bad sister. 40 00:03:49,676 --> 00:03:52,092 - How were you a bad sister? 41 00:03:52,175 --> 00:03:54,884 - You're kidding, right? 42 00:03:54,967 --> 00:03:56,467 Not kidding? 43 00:03:56,551 --> 00:03:58,259 - No. I-I-I don't see how you were a bad sister. 44 00:03:58,342 --> 00:03:59,925 - I didn't s-- 45 00:04:00,009 --> 00:04:02,342 - From my perspective, she was not the greatest sister 46 00:04:02,426 --> 00:04:03,925 in the world. 47 00:04:04,009 --> 00:04:05,925 - But she was sick, and I wasn't. 48 00:04:06,009 --> 00:04:08,759 - Well, how were you a bad sister? 49 00:04:08,843 --> 00:04:11,217 - I didn't save her. 50 00:04:32,885 --> 00:04:35,468 - I'll show you where it is. - Okay. 51 00:04:38,218 --> 00:04:42,719 This hallway feels like an insane asylum. 52 00:05:03,678 --> 00:05:07,303 - In one of her suicide notes, she said 53 00:05:07,386 --> 00:05:08,886 she definitely wanted her photographs 54 00:05:08,969 --> 00:05:11,052 to be out in the world 55 00:05:11,136 --> 00:05:13,678 being seen and being enjoyed by people, 56 00:05:13,761 --> 00:05:16,136 but I'm paralyzed. I can't-- 57 00:05:16,219 --> 00:05:17,553 I can't give them up. 58 00:05:19,344 --> 00:05:21,927 I just need my moment with all of it. 59 00:05:41,554 --> 00:05:43,637 Do you think that's the last-- - We decided one more trip. 60 00:05:43,721 --> 00:05:45,220 - One more trip? Okay. 61 00:06:01,721 --> 00:06:03,262 Thank you. 62 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:23,929 - I got everything. 63 00:06:24,013 --> 00:06:26,263 - Kids, you have everything you need? 64 00:06:26,346 --> 00:06:27,971 - Mm-hmm. 65 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:29,597 - Ticket? - Yeah. 66 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,221 - Wallet, cell phone, everything you need? 67 00:06:31,305 --> 00:06:32,929 - I got everything. 68 00:06:33,013 --> 00:06:35,054 - I'm gonna miss you guys, but I'm gonna come 69 00:06:35,138 --> 00:06:36,680 in two days. 70 00:06:36,763 --> 00:06:38,054 - Hug and a kiss. Let's go. 71 00:06:38,138 --> 00:06:39,346 - I don't wanna... 72 00:06:44,263 --> 00:06:45,346 - Okay. 73 00:06:47,305 --> 00:06:49,179 Enough hugging and kissing. Let's go. 74 00:06:49,263 --> 00:06:51,430 - All right, don't be late. 75 00:06:51,513 --> 00:06:53,388 - Bye. - Bye. 76 00:06:53,471 --> 00:06:56,138 I love you. Safe travels. - I'll miss you. 77 00:06:56,221 --> 00:06:58,180 - Love you guys. 78 00:06:58,264 --> 00:06:59,806 Save some sand for me. 79 00:06:59,889 --> 00:07:01,097 - Bye, bye, guys. See you later. 80 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:03,180 - Bye. 81 00:07:21,472 --> 00:07:24,431 - Stuff was very important to Ruth. 82 00:07:26,972 --> 00:07:28,972 I mean, everything was important to her, 83 00:07:29,055 --> 00:07:31,556 and that's why she saved everything. 84 00:07:33,264 --> 00:07:37,307 I think, if I can look at what was important to her, 85 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:40,265 I could get some answers. 86 00:07:57,015 --> 00:07:58,223 Ambien... 87 00:08:00,682 --> 00:08:03,724 Lamictal. 88 00:08:03,807 --> 00:08:07,015 - How many times did she try to kill herself? 89 00:08:07,098 --> 00:08:08,807 - A lot. 90 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:09,890 Twenty? 91 00:08:15,223 --> 00:08:18,099 "Dear sir/madam, 92 00:08:18,182 --> 00:08:20,016 "I'm writing to you regarding Ruth Litoff, 93 00:08:20,099 --> 00:08:22,182 "who's a patient of mine. 94 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:25,391 "Ruth Litoff experiences severe mood swings, 95 00:08:25,474 --> 00:08:27,057 "severe depression, 96 00:08:27,141 --> 00:08:30,474 and profound suicidal ideation." 97 00:08:35,808 --> 00:08:39,141 I would love to map out what happened. 98 00:08:42,474 --> 00:08:44,224 I can't ask my parents, 99 00:08:44,308 --> 00:08:45,974 because they're both dead. 100 00:08:50,182 --> 00:08:54,141 But I feel like Ruth's stuff has clues in it. 101 00:09:00,851 --> 00:09:02,434 Do you see that piece right there? 102 00:09:02,517 --> 00:09:03,933 - Yeah. 103 00:09:04,017 --> 00:09:05,350 - What's really special about this 104 00:09:05,434 --> 00:09:07,350 is this is the front... 105 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,726 but here's the secret message to me. 106 00:09:14,809 --> 00:09:16,517 The... 107 00:09:16,601 --> 00:09:18,100 blowing of the bubbles, like, 108 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,475 maybe something we would do as kids, 109 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,684 and then there's also sort of 110 00:09:23,767 --> 00:09:28,933 foreshadowing of dying, 111 00:09:29,017 --> 00:09:31,809 sort of when you would be "forever dancing." 112 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:44,560 Growing up with a mentally ill person, 113 00:09:44,643 --> 00:09:47,852 it was a little bit like comedy and tragedy. 114 00:09:49,934 --> 00:09:52,727 It was such a confusing illness, 115 00:09:52,810 --> 00:09:56,310 because she could be so debilitated 116 00:09:56,393 --> 00:09:59,727 and so magnificent. 117 00:10:02,059 --> 00:10:04,393 When we were young, 118 00:10:04,476 --> 00:10:06,476 I absolutely idolized her. 119 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,310 I wanted to be like her. 120 00:10:08,393 --> 00:10:10,768 I wanted to dress like her. 121 00:10:10,852 --> 00:10:13,976 I wanted to be able to do art like her, 122 00:10:15,893 --> 00:10:18,060 She was the master of everything, 123 00:10:18,144 --> 00:10:20,519 and I was her assistant. 124 00:10:20,603 --> 00:10:22,977 I would sort the Lego pieces 125 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:25,394 and then she would build the castle. 126 00:10:25,477 --> 00:10:28,144 And I was so young. I was, like-- 127 00:10:28,227 --> 00:10:29,686 She could've been a cult leader, 128 00:10:29,769 --> 00:10:32,436 she was so charismatic. 129 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,811 We used to play this really fun game 130 00:10:34,894 --> 00:10:37,185 when my parents would go out. 131 00:10:37,269 --> 00:10:40,352 She was three years older, so she could babysit me, 132 00:10:40,436 --> 00:10:42,352 and we would do everything 133 00:10:42,436 --> 00:10:43,769 we weren't allowed to do in the house, 134 00:10:43,853 --> 00:10:46,060 which was not that many things. 135 00:10:46,144 --> 00:10:48,436 We would eat ice cream in bed, 136 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:50,227 and every time the phone rang, 137 00:10:50,311 --> 00:10:51,519 we would just pick it up 138 00:10:51,603 --> 00:10:53,644 and scream into the receiver. 139 00:10:55,269 --> 00:10:56,935 That was really fun. 140 00:10:58,437 --> 00:11:00,812 She taught me how to draw. 141 00:11:00,895 --> 00:11:02,604 This was a huge deal. She taught me 142 00:11:02,687 --> 00:11:04,645 how to draw a profile, 143 00:11:04,729 --> 00:11:06,353 and I was the only kid in the class 144 00:11:06,437 --> 00:11:08,936 who knew how to draw a profile. 145 00:11:09,020 --> 00:11:10,729 When she started taking photographs 146 00:11:10,812 --> 00:11:12,520 when we were really young, my dad built her 147 00:11:12,604 --> 00:11:14,312 a darkroom in the closet, 148 00:11:14,395 --> 00:11:16,478 and she would stay in there for hours 149 00:11:16,562 --> 00:11:19,395 and she would print the same photograph 150 00:11:19,478 --> 00:11:20,978 over and over again, 151 00:11:21,061 --> 00:11:22,437 and then she would show them to me, 152 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,061 and it was almost like a test-- 153 00:11:24,145 --> 00:11:26,353 which one of these is the best one-- 154 00:11:26,437 --> 00:11:28,312 and I would really want to get it right, 155 00:11:28,395 --> 00:11:29,854 and then she would explain to me 156 00:11:29,936 --> 00:11:32,395 why this one was better than this one, 157 00:11:32,478 --> 00:11:34,478 and it was really cool. 158 00:11:34,562 --> 00:11:38,479 It was really cool to have a sister like that. 159 00:11:44,187 --> 00:11:46,146 In high school, 160 00:11:46,229 --> 00:11:48,521 she was very popular. 161 00:11:48,605 --> 00:11:50,187 She also had 162 00:11:50,271 --> 00:11:53,146 a fabulous figure. 163 00:11:53,229 --> 00:11:55,979 Captain of all the sports teams. 164 00:11:56,062 --> 00:11:57,688 I would sit on her feet 165 00:11:57,771 --> 00:11:59,937 so she could do 100 sit-ups every night. 166 00:12:00,021 --> 00:12:02,771 - What was her title? Like... 167 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:05,062 Like, she-- wasn't she, like, the best shot 168 00:12:05,146 --> 00:12:08,021 in the United States of America under 13 169 00:12:08,104 --> 00:12:11,021 or something? - The best shot in America 170 00:12:11,104 --> 00:12:12,271 for 16 and under 171 00:12:12,354 --> 00:12:14,146 with a .22 rifle. 172 00:12:16,062 --> 00:12:18,314 She was always gonna be the winner. 173 00:12:18,397 --> 00:12:22,230 Whatever contest or competition or art project, 174 00:12:22,314 --> 00:12:25,147 she was going to come in first. 175 00:12:26,938 --> 00:12:30,355 I mean, there wasn't anything she couldn't do. 176 00:12:30,439 --> 00:12:33,564 That's what makes it so hard to understand. 177 00:12:35,397 --> 00:12:36,856 - I never really feel pressure. 178 00:12:36,938 --> 00:12:38,980 I never feel like I have to do something 179 00:12:39,063 --> 00:12:42,147 to prove myself. I never have to prove myself. 180 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:45,272 But I think it would be exciting, 181 00:12:45,355 --> 00:12:46,980 I think, to start all over. 182 00:12:47,063 --> 00:12:48,938 I sometimes wish I could just 183 00:12:49,022 --> 00:12:50,439 wash the slate clean, 184 00:12:50,522 --> 00:12:52,522 just start all over again. 185 00:13:01,732 --> 00:13:04,273 - Oh, here it is. 186 00:13:08,398 --> 00:13:10,607 I found her on 187 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:13,023 December 12, 2008. 188 00:13:14,773 --> 00:13:17,356 I got a call from one of Ruth's best friends, 189 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,398 who said, "I haven't heard from Ruth in three days," 190 00:13:20,481 --> 00:13:22,857 and I pretty much knew. 191 00:13:22,939 --> 00:13:25,148 - I remember, guys were walking down the hall 192 00:13:25,231 --> 00:13:27,690 with axes to break the door down. 193 00:13:30,898 --> 00:13:33,857 And then, the police let us in. 194 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:37,231 It sounds like a strange thing to say, 195 00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:38,816 but she had made it 196 00:13:38,899 --> 00:13:41,524 as beautiful as one of her photographs. 197 00:13:44,441 --> 00:13:45,858 I saw her shoulder. 198 00:13:45,940 --> 00:13:48,649 I didn't want to look at her face. 199 00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:51,357 - I remember all of the letters around. 200 00:13:51,441 --> 00:13:53,733 - There were notes everywhere, 201 00:13:53,816 --> 00:13:56,733 and she tried to remember all the people she loved 202 00:13:56,816 --> 00:13:59,190 and left them presents. 203 00:13:59,274 --> 00:14:01,190 - There were Post-it notes on things 204 00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:03,566 saying what to do with them. 205 00:14:03,649 --> 00:14:05,732 - The police officer said to me, 206 00:14:05,815 --> 00:14:07,732 "I've never seen anything like this." 207 00:14:12,315 --> 00:14:14,898 And then, there was my note. 208 00:14:17,649 --> 00:14:19,232 It was... 209 00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:21,399 loving, 210 00:14:21,482 --> 00:14:24,858 kind, 211 00:14:24,940 --> 00:14:26,816 even optimistic... 212 00:14:30,316 --> 00:14:32,482 and in very small handwriting, 213 00:14:32,566 --> 00:14:34,774 off to the side, 214 00:14:34,858 --> 00:14:37,899 she wrote "I know you know," 215 00:14:37,982 --> 00:14:40,691 and I have no idea what that means. 216 00:14:43,357 --> 00:14:44,482 - Are you trying to find 217 00:14:44,566 --> 00:14:45,774 some sort of objective truth 218 00:14:45,858 --> 00:14:47,441 about, uh-- 219 00:14:47,524 --> 00:14:48,940 about what happened, or her life? 220 00:14:49,024 --> 00:14:52,065 I mean, is that what you're looking for? 221 00:14:52,149 --> 00:14:53,566 - Yes. 222 00:15:05,108 --> 00:15:08,567 Why Ruth and not me? 223 00:15:08,650 --> 00:15:11,191 Why was Ruth sick and I wasn't sick? 224 00:15:11,275 --> 00:15:12,941 We had the same parents. 225 00:15:15,025 --> 00:15:18,983 My dad was very, sort of, 1950s, "Mad Men." 226 00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:21,483 You know, you work hard, you play hard, 227 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:24,317 you're not that involved with the children. 228 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,358 My mom really got the brunt of it. 229 00:15:27,442 --> 00:15:28,983 Lots of drama. 230 00:15:29,066 --> 00:15:31,983 Whatever mood Ruth was in was the mood 231 00:15:32,066 --> 00:15:34,483 the whole family was gonna be in. 232 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,191 The message, very early on, was, 233 00:15:37,275 --> 00:15:38,651 "Be on high alert, 234 00:15:38,735 --> 00:15:40,151 "don't create any waves, 235 00:15:40,234 --> 00:15:42,484 "don't upset your sister, 236 00:15:42,568 --> 00:15:44,818 and don't make it worse." 237 00:15:46,776 --> 00:15:49,151 We looked perfect on the outside, 238 00:15:49,234 --> 00:15:51,901 but we were rotting on the inside. 239 00:15:54,318 --> 00:15:55,693 I dealt with it 240 00:15:55,776 --> 00:15:57,318 by disappearing 241 00:15:57,401 --> 00:15:59,484 into drugs and alcohol. 242 00:15:59,568 --> 00:16:01,151 Ruth dealt with it 243 00:16:01,234 --> 00:16:04,776 by demanding more and more and more, 244 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:07,735 and if she didn't get what she wanted, 245 00:16:07,818 --> 00:16:10,067 she would threaten to kill herself. 246 00:16:14,151 --> 00:16:15,735 Her first attempt-- 247 00:16:15,818 --> 00:16:18,193 she was 16 and I was 13, 248 00:16:18,277 --> 00:16:20,902 and she begged me to sleep in bed with her. 249 00:16:22,319 --> 00:16:23,943 When we woke up, 250 00:16:24,027 --> 00:16:26,777 I found out that she had taken a bottle of pills. 251 00:16:29,569 --> 00:16:31,360 What if I woke up 252 00:16:31,444 --> 00:16:33,777 and my big sister was dead? 253 00:16:33,861 --> 00:16:36,444 We were in the same bed, and I didn't know. 254 00:16:52,277 --> 00:16:54,235 Now that I've started the project, 255 00:16:54,319 --> 00:16:56,861 I don't sleep very well. 256 00:16:56,943 --> 00:17:00,069 Thinking about my sister a lot. Um... 257 00:17:00,153 --> 00:17:02,445 I'm in a fight with my husband, 258 00:17:02,528 --> 00:17:05,445 because he says that I'm depressed, 259 00:17:05,528 --> 00:17:09,820 but I think that I am 260 00:17:09,903 --> 00:17:11,570 just grieving. 261 00:17:11,653 --> 00:17:13,320 Think it's really hard for him to understand. 262 00:17:13,403 --> 00:17:17,445 He hasn't lost a parent. 263 00:17:17,528 --> 00:17:21,236 He even has a great-grandparent in her 90s. 264 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,778 I feel like he hasn't even lost a hamster. 265 00:17:23,862 --> 00:17:25,737 I feel like you enter a club 266 00:17:25,820 --> 00:17:28,778 when one of your parents dies, 267 00:17:28,862 --> 00:17:31,528 and until one of your parents dies, 268 00:17:31,612 --> 00:17:34,028 you don't know what it's like, 269 00:17:34,111 --> 00:17:37,111 but when you enter the suicide club 270 00:17:37,194 --> 00:17:40,945 it's a very... 271 00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:43,446 small club, 272 00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:45,571 elite club. 273 00:17:45,654 --> 00:17:47,446 "Elite" sounds almost positive, 274 00:17:47,529 --> 00:17:49,446 but I don't mean it that way. 275 00:17:49,529 --> 00:17:53,279 I'm just--mean that... 276 00:17:53,362 --> 00:17:55,987 Uh, I don't-- 277 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:59,654 I don't know if civilians can get it. 278 00:18:10,487 --> 00:18:12,904 - Have you just been coming here alone? 279 00:18:12,987 --> 00:18:14,070 - Yeah. 280 00:18:17,112 --> 00:18:18,988 - Wow, it's really big. 281 00:18:19,071 --> 00:18:20,322 Oh, my God. 282 00:18:20,405 --> 00:18:23,322 - A lot of stuff, right? - A lot of pills. 283 00:18:23,405 --> 00:18:26,196 - Yeah. 284 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,196 - That's crazy. 285 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,988 - That's only from 1999 until she died in 2008. 286 00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:35,405 - How old was she when she killed herself? 287 00:18:35,488 --> 00:18:37,488 - 42. 288 00:18:37,572 --> 00:18:40,780 - Why would she save them all? 289 00:18:40,864 --> 00:18:43,447 - I think she wanted to-- 290 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:44,988 I have two theories. I think she wanted 291 00:18:45,071 --> 00:18:46,946 to make an art project out of them, 292 00:18:47,030 --> 00:18:49,405 but I also think she just wanted proof 293 00:18:49,488 --> 00:18:51,322 as to how hard she had been trying 294 00:18:51,405 --> 00:18:53,071 to get well. 295 00:18:53,155 --> 00:18:55,363 - And you did this? - Yes. 296 00:18:55,447 --> 00:18:57,406 - What pills are they? What are they? 297 00:18:57,489 --> 00:18:58,989 - Look at them. 298 00:18:59,072 --> 00:19:00,656 Feel free. 299 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:02,031 - Ambien... 300 00:19:02,114 --> 00:19:05,364 - That's a sleeping pill. 301 00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:07,072 - Dextrostat... 302 00:19:07,156 --> 00:19:11,323 - Lithium, I think, is for bipolar disorder. 303 00:19:11,406 --> 00:19:14,989 - Dex--more dextrostat. 304 00:19:15,072 --> 00:19:19,031 You should get rid of all of these immediately. 305 00:19:19,114 --> 00:19:20,781 - Why do you think I should get rid of them? 306 00:19:20,865 --> 00:19:22,489 - Because I don't think you should have 307 00:19:22,573 --> 00:19:24,364 the temptation to take them. - I'm not. 308 00:19:24,448 --> 00:19:26,239 - This is just crazy. 309 00:19:26,323 --> 00:19:27,364 - Right? 310 00:19:27,448 --> 00:19:29,947 And none of these helped her. 311 00:19:30,031 --> 00:19:32,072 - Zolpidem. 312 00:19:32,156 --> 00:19:35,406 This is nuts. - That's Ambien, too. 313 00:19:35,489 --> 00:19:37,449 That's the generic name. 314 00:19:37,532 --> 00:19:39,157 - Holy shit. 315 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,782 Just throw them all out. 316 00:19:40,866 --> 00:19:42,240 - No, I can't throw them out. 317 00:19:42,324 --> 00:19:44,699 This was her lifeline. 318 00:19:44,782 --> 00:19:46,407 - But you... 319 00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:48,616 Being sober for 16 years, 320 00:19:48,699 --> 00:19:50,741 I'm just, as your lifelong friend, 321 00:19:50,824 --> 00:19:52,240 scared for your well-being. 322 00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:53,699 - I'm not gonna take them. 323 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:57,073 Let me help you, however I can. 324 00:19:57,157 --> 00:19:58,574 It's a lot of beautiful artwork. 325 00:19:58,657 --> 00:20:00,782 - They're incredible, right? - Yeah. 326 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,240 I mean, I always remember being blown away. 327 00:20:03,324 --> 00:20:06,157 So there's stuff from every series here? 328 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,407 - Yeah, and I don't know-- 329 00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:10,115 did you ever see the kids? 330 00:20:10,198 --> 00:20:12,574 These are some of her earliest works. 331 00:20:12,657 --> 00:20:16,157 I believe she started them when she was 17. 332 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,450 - Oh, my God. - Look at these kids. 333 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:20,116 - Yeah, that's great. 334 00:20:20,199 --> 00:20:21,617 So you don't know how she-- where she went 335 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:22,867 to take these pictures? 336 00:20:22,949 --> 00:20:24,116 - She was brave. She would walk 337 00:20:24,199 --> 00:20:25,575 all over the city 338 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:28,116 and ask anyone to take their photograph. 339 00:20:28,199 --> 00:20:30,825 I mean, look at the portrait of this kid... 340 00:20:30,908 --> 00:20:32,366 - Yeah. 341 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:34,283 - It's almost like 342 00:20:34,366 --> 00:20:35,783 you would want to say 343 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,283 he's on the verge of losing his innocence, 344 00:20:38,366 --> 00:20:41,867 but I would say it's already lost. 345 00:20:44,366 --> 00:20:46,783 I mean, I love this, these two angry girls 346 00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:48,867 with that huge smiley face. 347 00:20:50,366 --> 00:20:52,908 - "E.T. dies over overdose." 348 00:20:52,991 --> 00:20:54,408 - That's... ironic. 349 00:20:54,491 --> 00:20:56,074 - I mean, look how young they are. 350 00:20:56,158 --> 00:20:57,701 They're babies. 351 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:01,075 - I mean, look at those kids. 352 00:21:01,159 --> 00:21:03,284 - Yeah. 353 00:21:03,367 --> 00:21:04,743 - Right? 354 00:21:04,826 --> 00:21:06,034 - Yeah. 355 00:21:10,367 --> 00:21:11,909 - It's very Molly Ringwald. 356 00:21:11,992 --> 00:21:13,159 - Yeah. 357 00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:19,826 - She did so many different styles. 358 00:21:27,868 --> 00:21:29,743 - You walk into that apartment, 359 00:21:29,826 --> 00:21:31,992 and it was like a candy store of art. 360 00:21:32,075 --> 00:21:34,826 I mean, her-- not only just her photographs 361 00:21:34,909 --> 00:21:35,868 all over the place... 362 00:21:38,118 --> 00:21:39,785 but she'd make these-- 363 00:21:39,869 --> 00:21:41,368 she'd have the little drawings 364 00:21:41,452 --> 00:21:43,243 and she'd make these little tchotchke things 365 00:21:43,327 --> 00:21:45,535 that she'd put all over the place, 366 00:21:45,619 --> 00:21:49,076 sad and searching... 367 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,410 - Very fragile. - But also very inspiring 368 00:21:51,493 --> 00:21:53,368 and uplifting at the same time. 369 00:21:56,827 --> 00:21:58,160 - Come here. 370 00:22:04,535 --> 00:22:07,285 - It's so impressive to me 371 00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:11,535 that Ruth was able to feel the pain 372 00:22:11,619 --> 00:22:17,076 and continue to be creative. 373 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,536 Many times, she would fall into 374 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:22,328 such a deep depression 375 00:22:22,411 --> 00:22:25,745 that she would feel like suicide was the only answer, 376 00:22:25,828 --> 00:22:28,745 and then, when she woke up in the hospital, 377 00:22:28,828 --> 00:22:32,161 she felt much better, 378 00:22:32,244 --> 00:22:34,494 and she was happy she was alive. 379 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:45,411 I can tell this one's very delicate. 380 00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:49,202 I think your sister drew this. 381 00:22:49,286 --> 00:22:50,911 Did she draw this? 382 00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:52,161 - Mm-hmm. 383 00:22:52,244 --> 00:22:55,578 - I will be very gentle with it. 384 00:22:55,661 --> 00:22:58,162 The sides of the pages are yellow. 385 00:22:58,245 --> 00:23:01,329 - What does that tell you? - That it's very old. 386 00:23:01,412 --> 00:23:03,579 - You really like that book? - Yeah. 387 00:23:03,662 --> 00:23:08,495 - Thank you. - You're welcome, sweetie. 388 00:23:25,871 --> 00:23:28,454 - You can't go through and read all of her journals. 389 00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:29,662 - Why not? 390 00:23:29,746 --> 00:23:32,078 - 'Cause that's just crazy. 391 00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,495 - She left them for me to read. 392 00:23:34,579 --> 00:23:36,537 If she didn't want anyone to read them, 393 00:23:36,621 --> 00:23:38,330 she would have thrown them away. 394 00:23:47,246 --> 00:23:49,330 To tell you the truth, I was so, like, 395 00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:51,538 blacked out for everything, 396 00:23:51,622 --> 00:23:53,996 and she took such precise notes 397 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:55,830 on what happened, 398 00:23:55,913 --> 00:24:00,163 I'm finally looking at what happened. 399 00:24:00,246 --> 00:24:02,330 - And why are you wanting to look now? 400 00:24:04,622 --> 00:24:06,830 - Just want to understand her more. 401 00:25:38,333 --> 00:25:41,791 Do you know who made this artwork right here? 402 00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:43,082 - No. 403 00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:44,957 - Do you want to know? - Yeah. 404 00:25:45,041 --> 00:25:46,249 - My sister. 405 00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:47,625 - Uh-huh. 406 00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:49,082 - Do you know her name? 407 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,499 - Ruth? - Mm-hmm. 408 00:25:54,041 --> 00:25:55,999 You know who made that artwork right there? 409 00:25:56,082 --> 00:25:57,999 - Ruth? 410 00:25:58,082 --> 00:25:59,666 - You going to guess Ruth for everything now? 411 00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:03,041 - Yeah. 412 00:26:03,124 --> 00:26:04,583 - Who made this? - Ruth. 413 00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,625 And those pictures are of my mother. 414 00:26:07,708 --> 00:26:08,625 - And you. 415 00:26:08,708 --> 00:26:10,207 - No, not me. 416 00:26:10,291 --> 00:26:11,999 - You're over there. 417 00:26:12,082 --> 00:26:14,875 - That's my mom in the window, when she was a little girl. 418 00:26:22,208 --> 00:26:25,292 My mother was very afraid of her own mother, 419 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,667 our grandmother, who we never met, 420 00:26:28,751 --> 00:26:31,167 and her name was Ruth, 421 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:36,083 and my mother named her first daughter Ruth, 422 00:26:36,167 --> 00:26:39,500 which is a traditional thing to do. 423 00:26:39,584 --> 00:26:43,500 Then I come along, and she names me Hope. 424 00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:45,500 I'm named after her father, 425 00:26:45,584 --> 00:26:47,917 who she adored. 426 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,375 - When Ruthie was born, 427 00:26:49,459 --> 00:26:50,958 she was a very demanding child, 428 00:26:51,042 --> 00:26:52,167 very difficult child. 429 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:53,292 When you were born, 430 00:26:53,375 --> 00:26:55,459 it was the total opposite. 431 00:26:55,542 --> 00:26:57,375 Your mom had a very hard time. 432 00:26:57,459 --> 00:26:59,710 She had a very hard time, and 433 00:26:59,793 --> 00:27:02,335 I even recall your mom telling me 434 00:27:02,418 --> 00:27:05,918 about times when she was taking her to the park, 435 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:07,752 and if she met a friend in the street, 436 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:09,460 and wanted to stop and talk, 437 00:27:09,543 --> 00:27:12,752 Ruthie would start to scream and yell in the carriage. 438 00:27:12,835 --> 00:27:14,543 Then mom would have to run. 439 00:27:14,627 --> 00:27:18,835 Two different--completely different--children from birth. 440 00:27:18,918 --> 00:27:20,460 From birth. 441 00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:25,376 - And I remember being a little kid, 442 00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:28,209 not knowing anything about mental illness, 443 00:27:28,293 --> 00:27:29,793 or knowing that Ruth was struggling 444 00:27:29,877 --> 00:27:31,543 with any problems, and saying, 445 00:27:31,627 --> 00:27:36,209 "Why does she keep asking me if I love her? 446 00:27:36,293 --> 00:27:38,836 I just told her yesterday." 447 00:27:38,919 --> 00:27:40,836 She would ask me over and over again, 448 00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:42,753 and then she would often 449 00:27:42,836 --> 00:27:45,169 give me these tests of love. 450 00:27:45,252 --> 00:27:47,461 She would say, "If I die, 451 00:27:47,544 --> 00:27:50,294 would you shave your head?" 452 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:51,836 We were just kids, 453 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,878 and I would say, "Yes, I'll shave my head." 454 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,461 She would say, "If I die, 455 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:57,919 "will you take my ashes 456 00:27:58,002 --> 00:28:00,586 "and mix them with clay 457 00:28:00,669 --> 00:28:02,044 "and make me into a pot 458 00:28:02,127 --> 00:28:04,628 and put flowers in every day?" 459 00:28:04,711 --> 00:28:08,419 And I would say, "Yes, I'll do that." 460 00:28:08,502 --> 00:28:11,586 That's what breaks my heart the most. 461 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:13,085 When I see her friends, 462 00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:14,336 they say, "You know, 463 00:28:14,419 --> 00:28:15,794 your sister really loved you," 464 00:28:15,878 --> 00:28:18,920 and what I really want them to say is 465 00:28:19,003 --> 00:28:22,211 "Your sister knew that you really loved her." 466 00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:31,295 She wanted us to be twins, 467 00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:33,670 have a secret language, 468 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:35,503 and at a certain age, 469 00:28:35,587 --> 00:28:38,837 that started to feel suffocating to me, 470 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,462 and I don't think she liked it 471 00:28:40,545 --> 00:28:44,754 when I wanted to be my own person. 472 00:28:44,837 --> 00:28:47,378 That was taken as rejection, 473 00:28:47,462 --> 00:28:50,795 when it--it really was just normal growing up. 474 00:29:43,255 --> 00:29:44,505 Were you sleeping? 475 00:29:44,589 --> 00:29:45,922 - I'm not sleeping. 476 00:29:46,005 --> 00:29:49,047 - Can I have a kiss? - Mm-hmm. 477 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:51,756 Ugh. That was a lick! 478 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:53,380 - Okay, I just wanted 479 00:29:53,464 --> 00:29:55,213 to know where you were. I'm sorry. 480 00:29:55,297 --> 00:29:56,380 - Hi. 481 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:03,464 - She's really afraid that 482 00:30:03,547 --> 00:30:06,505 she's Ruth in the making, 483 00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:09,672 and I'm terrified. 484 00:30:09,756 --> 00:30:11,714 The doctor told me 485 00:30:11,797 --> 00:30:13,505 when my children turn two, 486 00:30:13,589 --> 00:30:15,547 that I was going to be reminded of my sister, 487 00:30:15,631 --> 00:30:17,213 because people who have 488 00:30:17,297 --> 00:30:20,214 personality disorders like Ruth's 489 00:30:20,298 --> 00:30:21,423 and two-year-olds 490 00:30:21,506 --> 00:30:25,048 have a lot of similarities. 491 00:30:25,131 --> 00:30:28,715 I worry about their health, 492 00:30:28,798 --> 00:30:31,256 I worry about their sanity, 493 00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:33,006 their sobriety. 494 00:30:33,089 --> 00:30:39,964 I feel like I gave them a really bad hand of DNA. 495 00:30:40,048 --> 00:30:42,423 - Our children don't have that problem. 496 00:30:42,506 --> 00:30:45,923 Our two-year-old is not-- have any mental issues. 497 00:30:46,006 --> 00:30:47,381 She's two, 498 00:30:47,465 --> 00:30:49,298 and I blame Ruth 499 00:30:49,381 --> 00:30:53,214 for your concern about, like, having to worry about that. 500 00:30:53,298 --> 00:30:54,964 I'm sitting in our kitchen, 501 00:30:55,048 --> 00:30:58,132 talking about how Ruth affects how we parent our kids. 502 00:30:58,215 --> 00:30:59,758 Like, I don't-- 503 00:30:59,841 --> 00:31:02,758 - There's a genetic component. 504 00:31:02,841 --> 00:31:04,007 - Uh, I guess. 505 00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:07,758 - You never worried about it? 506 00:31:09,341 --> 00:31:10,591 - Whee! 507 00:31:10,674 --> 00:31:11,841 - Smiling! 508 00:31:26,924 --> 00:31:31,299 - It's Christmas Eve, and I'm at my in-laws' house 509 00:31:31,382 --> 00:31:32,799 in Los Angeles. 510 00:31:32,883 --> 00:31:37,132 It's five days after 511 00:31:37,215 --> 00:31:40,300 Ruth was buried, 512 00:31:40,383 --> 00:31:41,675 six years ago. 513 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,091 Um... 514 00:31:43,175 --> 00:31:46,175 To--this is always a hard time for me, 515 00:31:46,258 --> 00:31:49,300 and my... 516 00:31:49,383 --> 00:31:51,133 2 1/2-year-old daughter-- 517 00:31:51,216 --> 00:31:54,091 just out of the blue, she 518 00:31:54,175 --> 00:31:57,133 decides to pronounce that 519 00:31:57,216 --> 00:31:58,759 Mommy doesn't love her, 520 00:31:58,842 --> 00:32:01,133 but Daddy loves her very much. 521 00:32:01,216 --> 00:32:02,842 I don't know if this is something that 522 00:32:02,925 --> 00:32:05,342 a normal two-year-old says, 523 00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:08,300 but it actually really hurt my feelings. 524 00:32:11,091 --> 00:32:13,425 Merry Christmas. 525 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,426 So it turns out, I'm totally the crazy one. 526 00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:25,967 The baby went down to the party 527 00:32:26,051 --> 00:32:28,551 and she cried that 528 00:32:28,635 --> 00:32:30,509 she wanted Mommy to put her to bed, 529 00:32:30,593 --> 00:32:32,676 and I said to her, 530 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,384 "No, you like Daddy, 531 00:32:36,468 --> 00:32:39,926 not Mommy." 532 00:32:40,009 --> 00:32:42,718 My husband got so mad at me. 533 00:32:42,801 --> 00:32:44,967 He was like, "You're the adult." 534 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:51,551 I couldn't help it 535 00:32:51,635 --> 00:32:53,676 that my feelings were really hurt. 536 00:32:57,719 --> 00:33:01,427 My crazy makeup isn't helping anything. 537 00:33:01,510 --> 00:33:04,469 I look crazy, feel crazy. 538 00:33:07,135 --> 00:33:11,719 But what kind of two-year-old says, 539 00:33:11,802 --> 00:33:14,552 "Mommy doesn't love me. Only Daddy loves me." 540 00:33:14,636 --> 00:33:16,719 Is that normal? 541 00:33:28,719 --> 00:33:31,135 You knew Ruth in high school, 542 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:33,594 and now you're a therapist. 543 00:33:33,677 --> 00:33:36,844 I just really want to talk to an expert like you. 544 00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:39,678 - The biggest fear that a lot of parents have is 545 00:33:39,762 --> 00:33:42,303 "Am I going to inherit 546 00:33:42,386 --> 00:33:45,511 you know, these mental illnesses? 547 00:33:45,595 --> 00:33:47,136 Is that going to happen to my child? 548 00:33:47,219 --> 00:33:49,136 both: Like, is that going to happen to my child? 549 00:33:49,219 --> 00:33:50,803 - Right, that's a-- - Sarah, tell me... 550 00:33:50,887 --> 00:33:53,261 - That's a big-- - Is gonna happen? 551 00:33:53,345 --> 00:33:55,094 - Well, if mental illness exists in the family, 552 00:33:55,178 --> 00:33:56,428 there is gonna be 553 00:33:56,511 --> 00:33:58,887 a possible genetic predisposition 554 00:33:58,969 --> 00:34:00,762 to having the mental illness 555 00:34:00,845 --> 00:34:03,470 be expressed in a child. 556 00:34:03,553 --> 00:34:04,845 Can I ask you a question? 557 00:34:04,928 --> 00:34:06,428 Was there any diagnosis given to her 558 00:34:06,511 --> 00:34:07,969 when she was going to therapy? 559 00:34:08,053 --> 00:34:10,511 - Very often, she was given the diagnosis 560 00:34:10,595 --> 00:34:12,637 of bipolar disorder. - Okay. 561 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:16,303 - But from what I've read and my experiences, 562 00:34:16,386 --> 00:34:18,137 she seems much more 563 00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:19,638 borderline personality disorder. 564 00:34:19,721 --> 00:34:21,846 - Mm-hmm, mm-hm. - For example, like, 565 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:23,304 that seem to be 566 00:34:23,387 --> 00:34:24,804 something missing in 567 00:34:24,888 --> 00:34:29,137 feeling love and-- and holding onto that. 568 00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:31,888 - So borderlines 569 00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:34,387 never, ever feel fulfilled. 570 00:34:34,471 --> 00:34:37,220 It's chronically empty. 571 00:34:37,304 --> 00:34:39,304 They're constantly trying to 572 00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:44,054 figure out how to be fulfilled, and they'll never get it. 573 00:34:44,137 --> 00:34:46,262 My guess is that Ruth, 574 00:34:46,346 --> 00:34:48,304 you know, during the '80s and '90s, 575 00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:51,179 that there was not enough research done 576 00:34:51,262 --> 00:34:52,638 right, on borderline, 577 00:34:52,721 --> 00:34:53,929 so she probably 578 00:34:54,012 --> 00:34:55,512 received the medication that she need 579 00:34:55,596 --> 00:34:57,137 to deal with the symptoms, 580 00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,305 but then, there was no other treatment that happened. 581 00:35:00,388 --> 00:35:02,639 Since it's not just about 582 00:35:02,722 --> 00:35:06,513 doing the medical treatment to cure the symptoms. 583 00:35:06,597 --> 00:35:09,180 It's also about doing the further investigation 584 00:35:09,263 --> 00:35:12,388 of the evolution of the family 585 00:35:12,472 --> 00:35:13,680 as a unit. 586 00:35:13,764 --> 00:35:16,138 - Right. 587 00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:20,889 Do you know the story behind these albums? 588 00:35:20,971 --> 00:35:22,513 - No. - Ruth decided 589 00:35:22,597 --> 00:35:24,513 she wanted to make these photo albums. 590 00:35:24,597 --> 00:35:28,221 My parents weren't necessarily interested in having her do it, 591 00:35:28,305 --> 00:35:30,180 but she made them pay her 592 00:35:30,263 --> 00:35:32,764 to make them. 593 00:35:32,847 --> 00:35:35,221 Yikes. 594 00:35:35,305 --> 00:35:37,972 - That Ruth goes from - Yeah. That. 595 00:35:38,056 --> 00:35:41,389 - My grandmother. Literally my grandmother, 596 00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:43,181 and then you turn the page, 597 00:35:43,264 --> 00:35:46,514 and it's like, "Oh, whatever. Nude picture of my boyfriend." 598 00:35:46,598 --> 00:35:48,056 - And these are the albums she made for your parents. 599 00:35:48,139 --> 00:35:51,389 - Yes, that they had to pay for. 600 00:35:51,473 --> 00:35:53,348 - Ooh, Rolex shot. 601 00:35:53,431 --> 00:35:55,556 - It looks like my mom is loving him, 602 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,222 but she's really loving... - She's not. 603 00:35:57,306 --> 00:35:58,473 - The Rolex. - She's waiting for the watch. 604 00:35:58,556 --> 00:35:59,723 She got it going on. 605 00:35:59,806 --> 00:36:01,890 She knows what time it is. 606 00:36:01,972 --> 00:36:05,181 She really, you know, picked herself up, and... 607 00:36:05,264 --> 00:36:07,056 your mother had a horrible childhood. 608 00:36:07,139 --> 00:36:09,723 - I know. 609 00:36:09,806 --> 00:36:13,723 My mom came from a very poor family, 610 00:36:13,806 --> 00:36:15,431 and I think that very early on, 611 00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:17,973 she realized that the way she looked 612 00:36:18,057 --> 00:36:20,140 gave her some power. 613 00:36:20,223 --> 00:36:22,849 With this power, she was gonna get out of 614 00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:25,599 her bad situation in Brooklyn 615 00:36:25,682 --> 00:36:27,973 and looks became very important to her. 616 00:36:29,724 --> 00:36:31,474 My mom was always on a diet. 617 00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:35,599 She was a lifetime member of Weight Watchers. 618 00:36:35,682 --> 00:36:38,599 If she gave us each a piece of cake, 619 00:36:38,682 --> 00:36:40,932 Ruth and I used to say, 620 00:36:41,015 --> 00:36:42,766 "You gave her the smaller piece. 621 00:36:42,849 --> 00:36:44,182 You love her more." 622 00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:50,349 My mother's beauty really did work in her favor. 623 00:36:50,432 --> 00:36:53,223 She was a model in the garment district, 624 00:36:53,307 --> 00:36:56,057 and she married my father 625 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,141 and helped him build his business 626 00:36:59,224 --> 00:37:02,308 until she had the Manhattan lifestyle 627 00:37:02,391 --> 00:37:03,808 that she really wanted, 628 00:37:03,892 --> 00:37:06,183 and then could give her children 629 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:07,974 the things that she always wanted 630 00:37:08,058 --> 00:37:09,808 to have herself. 631 00:37:09,892 --> 00:37:13,183 And some of them were a little superficial. 632 00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:16,808 Like, she always wanted to have blonde hair and blue eyes, 633 00:37:16,892 --> 00:37:19,266 and then... 634 00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:20,892 Well, like, in this picture, for example, 635 00:37:20,974 --> 00:37:23,308 this is totally... twisted. 636 00:37:23,391 --> 00:37:25,892 She dyed my sister's hair blond when she was five. 637 00:37:25,974 --> 00:37:28,141 - Oh, my God. 638 00:37:28,224 --> 00:37:30,683 And there begins the problems. 639 00:39:09,561 --> 00:39:13,770 - It looks like she liked this one a lot. 640 00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:15,811 It's nice and mushy. 641 00:39:17,977 --> 00:39:21,645 An adult with stuffed animals was very her. 642 00:39:33,478 --> 00:39:35,019 I don't know, it's like-- 643 00:39:35,102 --> 00:39:37,353 this is stuff--for babies. 644 00:39:39,937 --> 00:39:42,562 It's just... 645 00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:48,270 It's like, all this stuff-- like, she was just 646 00:39:48,354 --> 00:39:51,228 trying to be happy, like a kid. 647 00:39:54,771 --> 00:39:57,312 I mean, look at this Hello Kitty pencil case. 648 00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:58,604 Come on. 649 00:40:01,062 --> 00:40:03,020 She wrote her name on the inside, 650 00:40:03,103 --> 00:40:06,145 like a five-year-old. 651 00:40:12,395 --> 00:40:16,437 I'm at a friend's house. 652 00:40:19,104 --> 00:40:21,855 I don't know if everyone does this, 653 00:40:21,938 --> 00:40:23,188 or just drug addicts, 654 00:40:23,271 --> 00:40:25,063 but I found this. 655 00:40:27,355 --> 00:40:29,188 This is... 656 00:40:29,271 --> 00:40:30,979 really making me want to 657 00:40:31,063 --> 00:40:34,938 throw away 17 years of sobriety. 658 00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:46,979 Around 14, 659 00:40:47,063 --> 00:40:50,146 my girlfriends and I snuck our first drink, 660 00:40:50,229 --> 00:40:53,688 and I had this amazing feeling of 661 00:40:53,772 --> 00:40:56,104 "I don't know what's wrong with me, 662 00:40:56,188 --> 00:40:59,521 but this is the cure." 663 00:40:59,605 --> 00:41:01,897 I was a blackout drinker... 664 00:41:03,979 --> 00:41:06,938 and I have blackout memories. 665 00:41:07,021 --> 00:41:08,480 I don't remember all the times 666 00:41:08,563 --> 00:41:10,313 she tried to commit suicide. 667 00:41:10,396 --> 00:41:14,647 I--I have memories of when the police would arrive, 668 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:18,396 but I don't remember the order. 669 00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:26,188 My dad was a heavy drinker. 670 00:41:26,271 --> 00:41:27,979 I drank with him. 671 00:41:28,063 --> 00:41:29,480 That was the only thing I had in common 672 00:41:29,563 --> 00:41:31,146 with my father. 673 00:41:33,355 --> 00:41:37,731 That was not seen as unusual in my house. 674 00:41:39,814 --> 00:41:43,773 And he also introduced me to Percocet, 675 00:41:43,856 --> 00:41:45,272 and he would say to me, 676 00:41:45,356 --> 00:41:47,439 "Want half a Percy, Hopie?" 677 00:41:47,522 --> 00:41:49,272 He would give me half a Percocet 678 00:41:49,356 --> 00:41:51,898 and we would drink. 679 00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:53,439 So many times, 680 00:41:53,522 --> 00:41:55,606 Ruth would be in the hospital, 681 00:41:55,689 --> 00:41:56,939 and he would say to me, 682 00:41:57,022 --> 00:41:58,939 "Just be happy. Have a drink," 683 00:41:59,022 --> 00:42:02,856 and my mom would look at me pleadingly 684 00:42:02,939 --> 00:42:05,522 and say, "You're happy, right?" 685 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,980 and I knew the only answer was 686 00:42:08,064 --> 00:42:10,189 "Yes, Mommy, I'm happy." 687 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:14,439 - You always did pretend to be happy, 688 00:42:14,522 --> 00:42:16,230 and I know why: 689 00:42:16,314 --> 00:42:19,106 because your mother had a full plate. 690 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:22,273 Ruthie took so much of her energy and love. 691 00:42:24,565 --> 00:42:26,981 There were so many times that 692 00:42:27,065 --> 00:42:28,649 your mom rescued her. 693 00:42:30,607 --> 00:42:32,398 I know there was one on a ledge. 694 00:42:32,482 --> 00:42:34,482 Wasn't there one that she got on a ledge? 695 00:42:44,023 --> 00:42:46,357 Your mom had no life 696 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,565 and apparently, Ruthie couldn't live in 697 00:42:48,649 --> 00:42:50,649 the one we had, she had, 698 00:42:50,732 --> 00:42:53,649 and I felt sad, 699 00:42:53,732 --> 00:42:56,565 and I'm gonna cry. 700 00:42:56,649 --> 00:42:59,608 But, she recovered 701 00:42:59,691 --> 00:43:02,941 to make further attempts, 702 00:43:03,024 --> 00:43:05,733 and, um... 703 00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:09,191 I mean, she just couldn't find her way in this world. 704 00:43:25,066 --> 00:43:27,691 - Hi, I was hoping I could speak with Detective Cozzi. 705 00:43:27,775 --> 00:43:29,149 - You can sit out-- You can sit out and wait. 706 00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:30,399 He'll probably come back. 707 00:43:30,483 --> 00:43:32,191 That's about it. - Thank you. 708 00:43:32,274 --> 00:43:34,524 The woman in the records room 709 00:43:34,608 --> 00:43:38,317 who found--who actually did find the record 710 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,692 basically told me that 711 00:43:40,776 --> 00:43:43,525 there was nothing else I needed to know 712 00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:48,400 and when I expressed that I needed closure, 713 00:43:48,484 --> 00:43:50,942 she recommended that I 714 00:43:51,025 --> 00:43:53,359 seek out the Jehovah's Witnesses 715 00:43:53,442 --> 00:43:55,901 at jw.org, 716 00:43:55,983 --> 00:44:00,233 and I was told to come back at 12:00. 717 00:44:00,317 --> 00:44:02,609 - Ruth Litoff? - Yes, that's my sister. 718 00:44:10,567 --> 00:44:13,317 - You're the one that-- - I requested the report. 719 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,776 - Is that correct--the name? 720 00:44:14,859 --> 00:44:16,525 - Yes. - Okay, so here it is. 721 00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:18,109 - It's right here? - Yeah, it's the whole package. 722 00:44:18,193 --> 00:44:19,526 - Thank you so much. - You're welcome. 723 00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:22,652 - I really appreciate it. 724 00:44:32,568 --> 00:44:35,652 What the detective told me was really painful. 725 00:44:35,735 --> 00:44:37,902 He said that my sister died in pain, 726 00:44:37,984 --> 00:44:42,109 and I shouldn't look in the pictures. 727 00:44:42,193 --> 00:44:44,109 I don't know-- 728 00:44:44,193 --> 00:44:45,818 I don't really know how to deal with 729 00:44:45,902 --> 00:44:47,526 my feelings about this. 730 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:49,652 It's very upsetting. 731 00:44:59,861 --> 00:45:03,069 Thinking about drinking. 732 00:45:03,152 --> 00:45:07,110 I mean, what's the big deal? 733 00:45:07,194 --> 00:45:09,653 I got out of it before. 734 00:45:19,903 --> 00:45:22,152 I just ordered a double vodka on the rocks, 735 00:45:22,235 --> 00:45:24,152 with two olives. 736 00:45:24,235 --> 00:45:25,402 Thank you. 737 00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:27,027 - You're welcome. 738 00:46:34,946 --> 00:46:37,279 Thank you. 739 00:46:42,946 --> 00:46:46,571 First drink in 16 years. 740 00:46:46,655 --> 00:46:48,613 - Good or bad? 741 00:46:48,696 --> 00:46:49,821 - Bad. 742 00:47:08,489 --> 00:47:10,322 - What's that? 743 00:47:10,405 --> 00:47:14,739 - This is like her own version of a Joseph Cornell box, 744 00:47:14,822 --> 00:47:17,697 with little different strange treasures 745 00:47:17,781 --> 00:47:19,614 that mean something to her. 746 00:47:19,697 --> 00:47:20,739 - Through Ruth's eye. - What's this one? 747 00:47:20,822 --> 00:47:22,739 - I don't know. 748 00:47:22,822 --> 00:47:26,155 - Ooh, a Valium. 749 00:47:26,238 --> 00:47:29,864 I wonder if it still works. 750 00:47:32,072 --> 00:47:35,656 Look at this tiny baby. 751 00:47:35,739 --> 00:47:38,657 - What's this? - Ugh, an impaled baby. 752 00:47:40,823 --> 00:47:42,448 I know she was very upset 753 00:47:42,531 --> 00:47:45,281 about having had two abortions. 754 00:47:49,865 --> 00:47:54,031 At around age 14, Ruth was having sex. 755 00:47:54,114 --> 00:47:57,239 She would just take her boyfriend into her bedroom 756 00:47:57,323 --> 00:47:59,365 and lock the door. 757 00:48:00,989 --> 00:48:03,698 I wish my parents had stopped her, 758 00:48:03,782 --> 00:48:05,323 but they didn't... 759 00:48:08,156 --> 00:48:10,740 and eventually, she did get pregnant, 760 00:48:10,823 --> 00:48:13,490 and she chose to have an abortion. 761 00:48:18,407 --> 00:48:20,282 Ruth's best friend's mother 762 00:48:20,366 --> 00:48:22,366 was a producer on "20/20," 763 00:48:22,449 --> 00:48:24,699 and asked her to be on the show. 764 00:48:26,574 --> 00:48:28,282 - We start with a girl. 765 00:48:28,366 --> 00:48:29,824 She lives in New York City, 766 00:48:29,908 --> 00:48:31,199 where she's a high school senior 767 00:48:31,282 --> 00:48:33,407 and a talented photographer. 768 00:48:33,491 --> 00:48:35,658 - When I was pregnant, I really felt like 769 00:48:35,741 --> 00:48:38,491 I had a responsibility to my baby, 770 00:48:38,574 --> 00:48:41,990 even though it was just-- it was just a fetus. 771 00:48:42,074 --> 00:48:44,824 It wasn't really anything. 772 00:48:44,908 --> 00:48:47,658 I always--you know, I watched what I ate 773 00:48:47,741 --> 00:48:49,699 and I just kind of took care of it, 774 00:48:49,783 --> 00:48:53,699 even though I knew that it was gonna go away. 775 00:48:53,783 --> 00:48:56,574 - Of course, she wasn't ready to have a baby-- 776 00:48:56,658 --> 00:48:59,033 she was just in high school-- 777 00:48:59,116 --> 00:49:01,867 but she never forgot about it, either. 778 00:49:05,033 --> 00:49:07,241 - And I remember when she had her abortion. 779 00:49:07,325 --> 00:49:10,367 Did she continue thinking about, like, 780 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:13,367 "Oh, if I had had that child"? 781 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:16,200 - She just sort of acknowledged that 782 00:49:16,283 --> 00:49:18,158 her depression was going to prevent her 783 00:49:18,241 --> 00:49:20,241 from being able to have children. 784 00:49:20,325 --> 00:49:22,325 I realized from looking at her journals 785 00:49:22,408 --> 00:49:25,408 that that is a huge disappointment for her, 786 00:49:25,492 --> 00:49:26,492 which I never knew. 787 00:49:26,575 --> 00:49:29,158 - Hm. 788 00:49:29,241 --> 00:49:31,867 - She would sometimes represent herself 789 00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:34,158 as damaged goods 790 00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:37,283 and then-- it might say something like 791 00:49:37,367 --> 00:49:38,910 "forever fixed," 792 00:49:38,992 --> 00:49:41,076 and it'd be an image of her holding a baby. 793 00:49:43,284 --> 00:49:47,034 Babies, to her, were a symbol 794 00:49:47,117 --> 00:49:50,242 of good health 795 00:49:50,326 --> 00:49:51,826 and happiness, I think. 796 00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:59,201 When my son, Charlie, was born, 797 00:49:59,284 --> 00:50:02,159 she only had a chance to meet him once. 798 00:50:05,326 --> 00:50:07,951 And if she wasn't mentally ill, 799 00:50:08,034 --> 00:50:10,117 she would've been an amazing aunt. 800 00:50:41,494 --> 00:50:44,035 - She confided in me that she felt 801 00:50:44,118 --> 00:50:46,744 very lost and alone. 802 00:50:49,535 --> 00:50:53,160 - My parents' failure 803 00:50:53,243 --> 00:50:56,452 in being able to help fix her, 804 00:50:56,535 --> 00:50:58,953 or heal her, I just think, 805 00:50:59,036 --> 00:51:02,161 was too frustrating. 806 00:51:02,244 --> 00:51:03,536 - Mm-hmm. 807 00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:05,912 - For her to even, sometimes, be around them, 808 00:51:05,994 --> 00:51:08,870 I'm guessing. 809 00:51:08,953 --> 00:51:11,662 - I know your mom loved her enormously, 810 00:51:11,745 --> 00:51:15,328 but your dad, he-- he was pulling her down, 811 00:51:15,411 --> 00:51:18,662 it seems like, always, and, um, 812 00:51:18,745 --> 00:51:22,161 he--I mean, at one point, she told me 813 00:51:22,244 --> 00:51:24,203 she took a lot of pills 814 00:51:24,286 --> 00:51:26,411 and she ended up going to Bellevue, 815 00:51:26,495 --> 00:51:29,119 and she told me that your father said, 816 00:51:29,203 --> 00:51:30,870 "Next time, jump." 817 00:52:06,329 --> 00:52:09,454 It was hard. God, it was hard being Ruth. 818 00:52:09,537 --> 00:52:12,079 So yeah, there were the emergency calls, 819 00:52:12,162 --> 00:52:15,079 emergency dates. 820 00:52:15,162 --> 00:52:17,579 Yeah, it was like being a social worker. 821 00:52:17,663 --> 00:52:21,121 It was a friend-social worker relationship. 822 00:52:21,205 --> 00:52:25,372 It had its rewards and its perks, but it was-- 823 00:52:25,455 --> 00:52:28,413 it was hard to be Ruth, it was hard to be near her, 824 00:52:28,497 --> 00:52:31,747 and, um... 825 00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:34,330 and it was also beautiful at times. 826 00:52:34,413 --> 00:52:37,705 - Her great times were pretty great. 827 00:52:37,789 --> 00:52:40,705 Now, it wasn't like she was just depressed 828 00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:42,413 and alone with her cat. 829 00:52:42,497 --> 00:52:45,747 Like, she had a lot of really sparkling moments as well. 830 00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:47,246 - It was everything. It was the whole-- 831 00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:49,455 you got the whole spectrum with Ruth. 832 00:52:49,538 --> 00:52:51,789 It's like a full Shakespeare tragedy. 833 00:52:56,121 --> 00:52:58,706 It was really fun in, like, the '80s and the '90s, 834 00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:01,081 I'd get a call from Ruth, and she'd be like, 835 00:53:01,164 --> 00:53:02,790 "It's time to do a photo shoot. 836 00:53:02,873 --> 00:53:04,456 We haven't done a photo shoot in a while," 837 00:53:04,539 --> 00:53:06,247 and I was like, "Yeah, that's right!" 838 00:53:06,331 --> 00:53:08,873 I mean, okay, so it was like, teens, 20s. 839 00:53:08,956 --> 00:53:10,748 Like, we both had great bodies, 840 00:53:10,831 --> 00:53:13,331 um, and it was just, like, time to celebrate them 841 00:53:13,414 --> 00:53:14,873 and, like take off your clothes 842 00:53:14,956 --> 00:53:16,997 and put on trench coats and heels 843 00:53:17,081 --> 00:53:19,956 and go on the roof and take pictures, 844 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,456 and we had so much fun. 845 00:53:23,873 --> 00:53:26,665 And she was so open and free, 846 00:53:26,748 --> 00:53:29,831 and she made her subjects 847 00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:31,122 feel that way too. 848 00:53:31,206 --> 00:53:32,997 She was--she appreciated beauty, 849 00:53:33,081 --> 00:53:35,623 and she was so sexy herself, 850 00:53:35,706 --> 00:53:37,414 and she appreciated it. She brought that out. 851 00:53:37,498 --> 00:53:39,832 She brought out sensuality and sexuality 852 00:53:39,916 --> 00:53:42,040 in all of her subjects. 853 00:53:47,082 --> 00:53:49,123 She would seduce everyone 854 00:53:49,207 --> 00:53:50,749 into taking great pictures. 855 00:53:50,832 --> 00:53:52,540 - Every boyfriend I've seen naked. 856 00:53:52,624 --> 00:53:54,832 - Yeah. 857 00:53:54,916 --> 00:53:56,707 - One has a better body than the next. 858 00:53:56,791 --> 00:53:58,998 - Exactly, exactly. 859 00:54:01,582 --> 00:54:04,499 Ruth was very exciting, and she gave-- 860 00:54:04,582 --> 00:54:06,832 in terms of artwork, of course-- 861 00:54:06,916 --> 00:54:09,165 and she gave with humor, 862 00:54:09,248 --> 00:54:12,582 and she gave with love, 863 00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:16,082 and she also took 864 00:54:16,165 --> 00:54:17,791 enormous amounts of energy, 865 00:54:17,874 --> 00:54:20,750 and it would take time to recover after. 866 00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,166 - Ruth was very sensual-- sexual person, 867 00:54:26,249 --> 00:54:29,208 but she always had an insecurity. 868 00:54:29,291 --> 00:54:31,583 It was a bottomless well. 869 00:54:34,458 --> 00:54:41,124 We met in the summer of 1991 in Quogue in a share house. 870 00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:43,750 Immediately, all the single guys in the house 871 00:54:43,833 --> 00:54:45,875 were like, you know, just drawn to this-- 872 00:54:45,958 --> 00:54:47,833 this person. She's beautiful and-- 873 00:54:47,917 --> 00:54:51,375 you know, and I figured that I didn't have a shot. 874 00:54:57,875 --> 00:55:01,459 And once she started shooting me, 875 00:55:01,542 --> 00:55:03,084 she really helped me 876 00:55:03,167 --> 00:55:04,793 to see myself in a different light. 877 00:55:07,417 --> 00:55:09,584 You know, the effect that she had on you, 878 00:55:09,668 --> 00:55:12,292 it was brighter than the sun. 879 00:55:12,376 --> 00:55:14,668 You couldn't help be drawn to that person. 880 00:55:19,084 --> 00:55:21,584 - "I wanted Alan." 881 00:55:23,417 --> 00:55:25,709 You know, maybe part of me thought that I could heal her 882 00:55:25,793 --> 00:55:28,751 and that I could take that pain away from her. 883 00:55:28,834 --> 00:55:31,167 - Me too. 884 00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:32,834 - But I couldn't. I--you know, 885 00:55:32,918 --> 00:55:35,250 I--I couldn't, despite how hard I tried. 886 00:55:37,292 --> 00:55:39,752 - She would pull people in close 887 00:55:39,835 --> 00:55:42,960 and then act in such a horrible way 888 00:55:43,043 --> 00:55:44,919 that the person had to leave, 889 00:55:45,001 --> 00:55:47,960 and then she would say, "Why-- why did you leave me?" 890 00:56:04,251 --> 00:56:06,543 - She clearly must have thought she was beautiful, 891 00:56:06,627 --> 00:56:09,085 or was that just her trying to convince herself that she was? 892 00:56:09,168 --> 00:56:12,168 All the nude pictures of herself and bikini shots? 893 00:56:12,251 --> 00:56:13,794 - I think-- - I mean, is that a sign 894 00:56:13,877 --> 00:56:15,585 of insecurity? What is that about? 895 00:56:15,669 --> 00:56:18,044 - I think that was a sign of insecurity. 896 00:56:26,586 --> 00:56:30,002 - I think the self-portrait is very... 897 00:56:30,086 --> 00:56:31,878 complicated for her. 898 00:56:34,836 --> 00:56:38,795 Self-searching, but also wanting to look good, 899 00:56:38,878 --> 00:56:42,419 and wanting to see what other people would see. 900 00:56:47,086 --> 00:56:49,127 I can't tell you the amount of times 901 00:56:49,211 --> 00:56:52,252 I told her how beautiful she was. 902 00:56:57,962 --> 00:57:01,295 Maybe she could see who she was in a photograph 903 00:57:01,379 --> 00:57:03,379 in a way that she couldn't see 904 00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:07,295 just by feeling who she was. 905 00:57:13,879 --> 00:57:16,379 So this is what I want your help with. 906 00:57:16,462 --> 00:57:19,671 I'm gonna try and bust into Ruth's computer. 907 00:57:19,754 --> 00:57:21,045 - Wow. 908 00:57:21,128 --> 00:57:24,045 So what are you looking for on the computer? 909 00:57:24,128 --> 00:57:27,879 - I don't really know when she wrote her last email. 910 00:57:30,128 --> 00:57:31,212 Did you just turn it on? 911 00:57:31,295 --> 00:57:33,587 - No, I didn't touch anything. 912 00:57:33,671 --> 00:57:34,962 - Maybe Ruth turned it on. 913 00:57:35,045 --> 00:57:36,128 - Yeah. 914 00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,713 Amazing that it's just-- starts up and it's fine. 915 00:57:40,797 --> 00:57:44,421 - I need something to make a mouse pad. 916 00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:47,713 Is that too small to read? 917 00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:49,380 - Um, no, it says-- 918 00:57:49,463 --> 00:57:52,254 - This one says "Bellevue Photos." 919 00:57:52,338 --> 00:57:55,088 - Wow, how many times has she gone to Bellevue? 920 00:57:55,171 --> 00:57:57,421 - A lot. - She would commit herself? 921 00:57:57,505 --> 00:58:02,421 - My memory is it was always after a suicide attempt. 922 00:58:02,505 --> 00:58:03,838 - Oh, look. - What does it say? 923 00:58:03,922 --> 00:58:05,296 I don't have my glasses on. 924 00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:06,922 - It says, "Hi, Ruth. 925 00:58:07,004 --> 00:58:10,046 "In reading your email from March 3rd, 2008, 926 00:58:10,129 --> 00:58:14,213 it sounds as though you have secured the light boxes." 927 00:58:16,171 --> 00:58:20,881 - These are, like, architect's blueprints. 928 00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:22,756 I like that she dreamed big. 929 00:58:22,839 --> 00:58:26,005 - "Bellevue Hospital Center will accommodate your request 930 00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:29,631 to have your opening reception at the site in spring 2008." 931 00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:31,297 She was really pretty far along. 932 00:58:31,381 --> 00:58:33,547 - I mean, she died right after that. 933 00:58:35,756 --> 00:58:38,047 - That's kind of sad. - Yeah. 934 00:58:41,464 --> 00:58:43,547 I don't know what my responsibility is, 935 00:58:43,631 --> 00:58:45,422 as the only person that's left living. 936 00:58:45,506 --> 00:58:47,214 - I know, but-- - I mean, these are, like, 937 00:58:47,297 --> 00:58:48,756 records of her life. 938 00:58:48,839 --> 00:58:50,923 What am I supposed to do with them? 939 00:58:51,005 --> 00:58:52,130 - Yeah. - Right. 940 00:58:57,964 --> 00:58:59,840 - I've still been drinking. 941 00:58:59,924 --> 00:59:01,799 Nobody knows about it, 942 00:59:01,882 --> 00:59:05,298 but I think it's fine. 943 00:59:05,382 --> 00:59:08,715 I just need it right now, and then 944 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:11,757 when I don't need it, I'll just stop. 945 00:59:21,173 --> 00:59:23,965 - Hope, what are you doing? 946 00:59:24,048 --> 00:59:25,548 - I'm looking through the bottles 947 00:59:25,632 --> 00:59:28,757 to see which ones have pills left in them 948 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,882 and if any of them interest me. 949 00:59:31,965 --> 00:59:33,799 - Okay, what do you mean by that? 950 00:59:33,882 --> 00:59:38,007 - What I mean is maybe 951 00:59:38,091 --> 00:59:42,675 I can experience what my sister experienced. 952 00:59:42,758 --> 00:59:44,424 You know what? That's bullshit. 953 00:59:44,508 --> 00:59:46,299 Maybe I can get high 954 00:59:46,383 --> 00:59:48,716 off of the pills that she left behind. 955 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:54,049 - You know this puts us in a really complicit situation? 956 00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:55,549 - Two. - Two? 957 00:59:55,633 --> 00:59:59,883 - Yeah. One is good, two is better. 958 00:59:59,966 --> 01:00:02,132 Ooh, it's stale. 959 01:00:05,174 --> 01:00:06,841 I've never taken it before. 960 01:00:06,925 --> 01:00:08,007 It's a form of Adderall. 961 01:00:08,091 --> 01:00:11,758 I've never taken it before. 962 01:00:11,841 --> 01:00:14,633 And there's something about 963 01:00:14,716 --> 01:00:18,967 the fact that they're Ruth's pills 964 01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:23,634 that make them feel more special to me. 965 01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,634 - I don't want to be enabling your addiction. 966 01:00:26,717 --> 01:00:29,592 - Tough shit. 967 01:00:29,676 --> 01:00:31,634 Seriously. 968 01:00:31,717 --> 01:00:37,384 Oh, I just wanna feel what she feels, and... 969 01:00:37,467 --> 01:00:39,801 I just wanna be inside her. 970 01:00:45,967 --> 01:00:48,842 I think I should see if George can meet me. 971 01:00:57,133 --> 01:00:58,927 Don't worry about me. 972 01:00:59,009 --> 01:01:01,093 - I do worry about you. 973 01:01:02,927 --> 01:01:05,802 Okay, so are you sober now? 974 01:01:05,885 --> 01:01:09,051 - I'm not sober right now, no. 975 01:01:09,134 --> 01:01:11,468 - We had a pact about being sober. 976 01:01:11,551 --> 01:01:13,593 It's difficult, being in that pact 977 01:01:13,677 --> 01:01:16,843 and having one person check out of the pact, 978 01:01:16,927 --> 01:01:20,051 and I need you to know that 979 01:01:20,134 --> 01:01:22,927 you have responsibilities to people who are living 980 01:01:23,009 --> 01:01:25,760 right now. 981 01:01:25,843 --> 01:01:27,927 I mean, it's like your mom died, 982 01:01:28,009 --> 01:01:29,760 your dad died, Ruth killed herself. 983 01:01:29,843 --> 01:01:31,468 And this is what's-- - I lived through it. 984 01:01:31,551 --> 01:01:33,301 - Yeah, and you were sober through all of it, 985 01:01:33,385 --> 01:01:34,677 so I don't-- I don't really understand 986 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,176 what's going on. - Okay, well, 987 01:01:36,259 --> 01:01:38,344 I'll explain it to you. The difference is, 988 01:01:38,427 --> 01:01:41,969 I became a robot as each person died. 989 01:01:42,052 --> 01:01:44,636 I took my feelings and I squashed them down 990 01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:46,803 and I took my feelings and I squashed them down. 991 01:01:46,886 --> 01:01:49,260 I just was like, "Keep going, keep going, 992 01:01:49,344 --> 01:01:51,969 keep going," and now, all the emotions 993 01:01:52,052 --> 01:01:54,886 that I refused to feel while I was sober 994 01:01:54,969 --> 01:01:56,552 and Ruth was ill 995 01:01:56,636 --> 01:01:59,177 and all the feelings that I refused to feel 996 01:01:59,260 --> 01:02:00,678 after she killed herself-- 997 01:02:00,761 --> 01:02:03,844 I'm feeling them. 998 01:02:03,928 --> 01:02:06,803 - This is crazy. She's dead. 999 01:02:14,260 --> 01:02:17,135 - We're gonna start in 1996. 1000 01:02:17,219 --> 01:02:18,679 What do you think of that i-- what does that say? 1001 01:02:18,762 --> 01:02:20,345 - Not very much indeed. 1002 01:02:20,428 --> 01:02:22,845 I mean, it'd be nice if you could balance some of this 1003 01:02:22,929 --> 01:02:24,679 with spending time with your kids. 1004 01:02:24,762 --> 01:02:26,261 - I know, but this is gonna help me 1005 01:02:26,345 --> 01:02:27,970 be a better mom to them. 1006 01:02:28,053 --> 01:02:28,970 - Eventually? 1007 01:02:29,053 --> 01:02:32,887 - I guess not right now. 1008 01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:34,428 Okay, put it up, put it up. 1009 01:02:34,512 --> 01:02:36,053 I just wanna see if it's lined up. 1010 01:02:36,136 --> 01:02:39,470 Why didn't you go all the way up to the ceiling? 1011 01:02:39,553 --> 01:02:42,762 This way, a pattern might be revealed. 1012 01:02:42,845 --> 01:02:44,470 - I just--I just-- 1013 01:02:44,553 --> 01:02:48,011 I think that this is-- I don't really understand it. 1014 01:02:48,095 --> 01:02:49,929 I don't understand what pattern you think you're gonna see. 1015 01:02:50,011 --> 01:02:52,220 You're looking at datebooks that are ten years old 1016 01:02:52,303 --> 01:02:54,387 from a dead person. 1017 01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:56,679 - Not that one. Use this one. - Huh? 1018 01:02:56,762 --> 01:02:59,429 She did her dry cleaning on Tuesday, the 2nd. 1019 01:02:59,513 --> 01:03:02,680 - See? Now you're wondering too. 1020 01:03:04,054 --> 01:03:06,721 - And here comes a suicide attempt. 1021 01:03:06,805 --> 01:03:08,930 - "Found in coma, 1:30." 1022 01:03:09,012 --> 01:03:10,304 - Yeah. 1023 01:03:10,388 --> 01:03:12,304 - All right, see you later. - Okay. 1024 01:03:33,179 --> 01:03:35,096 - January '97. 1025 01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:37,221 January '98, January '99. 1026 01:03:37,304 --> 01:03:39,305 February. 1027 01:03:39,389 --> 01:03:41,764 March, April. 1028 01:03:41,847 --> 01:03:43,430 October. 1029 01:03:43,514 --> 01:03:46,806 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004. 1030 01:03:46,889 --> 01:03:48,430 March, March, March, March. 1031 01:03:48,514 --> 01:03:49,806 I don't see a pattern. 1032 01:03:56,514 --> 01:03:59,847 This looks to me like a very manic phase. 1033 01:03:59,931 --> 01:04:02,097 Intense colors, 1034 01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:04,597 and, like, right here, this is a very intense thing. 1035 01:04:04,681 --> 01:04:08,013 It has a woman and it says "Help." 1036 01:04:08,097 --> 01:04:10,347 When she's manic, is that more likely 1037 01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:12,639 that she's gonna try to commit suicide? 1038 01:04:12,722 --> 01:04:16,597 But I haven't been able to find... 1039 01:04:16,681 --> 01:04:19,973 a pattern like that, because sometimes, 1040 01:04:20,056 --> 01:04:23,348 the pages will be very bare and blank, 1041 01:04:23,431 --> 01:04:24,473 for example, here, 1042 01:04:24,556 --> 01:04:26,723 she ends up going to get 1043 01:04:26,807 --> 01:04:28,306 electric shock therapy, 1044 01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:30,223 and she stays there for weeks. 1045 01:04:30,306 --> 01:04:33,014 Depressed, depressed, depressed. 1046 01:04:33,098 --> 01:04:34,973 D, D, D. 1047 01:04:35,056 --> 01:04:36,306 Some "S"s. 1048 01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:37,807 That means "worse than depressed." 1049 01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:39,056 That means "suicidal." 1050 01:04:39,139 --> 01:04:41,098 Oh look, here's another one. 1051 01:04:41,181 --> 01:04:43,181 Big, big red S. 1052 01:04:43,264 --> 01:04:46,014 "Took pills for four days, hoping to die." 1053 01:04:46,098 --> 01:04:49,807 "A good day to die." 1054 01:04:49,890 --> 01:04:53,056 It seems like everything's fine, 1055 01:04:53,139 --> 01:04:54,723 and then, all of a sudden, 1056 01:04:54,807 --> 01:04:56,306 she tried to kill herself, 1057 01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:58,683 and then she gets out, 1058 01:04:58,766 --> 01:05:01,516 and she goes and plays ultimate Frisbee. 1059 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,849 She would write "Belle View"-- beautiful view-- 1060 01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:07,641 so she must have liked it, if that's what she called it. 1061 01:05:07,724 --> 01:05:11,182 She really went from 1062 01:05:11,265 --> 01:05:13,849 wonderful times to horrible times 1063 01:05:13,933 --> 01:05:16,099 very, very quickly. 1064 01:05:16,182 --> 01:05:19,808 Here's a suicide attempt, February 18th, 1065 01:05:19,891 --> 01:05:21,766 which is my birthday. 1066 01:05:21,849 --> 01:05:23,057 "Sorry, Hopie." 1067 01:05:29,224 --> 01:05:31,808 She often accused me of abandoning her. 1068 01:05:33,808 --> 01:05:38,392 And I see that I was actually with her a lot. 1069 01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:42,725 Here's the last one. 1070 01:05:45,141 --> 01:05:49,558 I found her on Friday the 12th. 1071 01:05:51,183 --> 01:05:52,975 I don't know that she was alive on the 12th, 1072 01:05:53,058 --> 01:05:56,225 before I found her, or if she predicted 1073 01:05:56,308 --> 01:05:58,225 she would die on one of these days, 1074 01:05:58,308 --> 01:06:00,225 and she made the little circles. 1075 01:06:04,433 --> 01:06:07,350 And so I don't really know what day she died on. 1076 01:06:17,016 --> 01:06:18,601 - Have you seen these photographs? 1077 01:06:18,685 --> 01:06:20,101 - No. 1078 01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:22,559 - Um, they--they may be upsetting to you. 1079 01:06:23,976 --> 01:06:25,601 Yep. 1080 01:06:25,685 --> 01:06:28,393 And she's with a-- a stuffed animal, there. 1081 01:06:30,351 --> 01:06:33,226 - Yeah, a stuffed animal. 1082 01:06:33,309 --> 01:06:34,935 Can you tell how long she had been dead for? 1083 01:06:35,017 --> 01:06:38,142 - Eh, at least of the order of 24 hours. 1084 01:06:44,351 --> 01:06:46,976 - Someone looks alive 1085 01:06:47,059 --> 01:06:50,559 and then they look really dead. 1086 01:06:50,643 --> 01:06:53,518 - Sometimes death looks stunningly lifeless. 1087 01:06:53,601 --> 01:06:55,059 I think... 1088 01:06:55,142 --> 01:06:56,226 You know, if-- you know, when your memory 1089 01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:57,810 have been embroidering this 1090 01:06:57,893 --> 01:07:00,727 into something, you know, more lyrical and exalted, 1091 01:07:00,811 --> 01:07:03,185 but I'm--you know, emotionally, you know the truth of this 1092 01:07:03,268 --> 01:07:05,435 all the way along, I'm sure. 1093 01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,060 - No. I pretend that 1094 01:07:07,143 --> 01:07:08,435 she's still alive. 1095 01:07:21,894 --> 01:07:27,394 It's like she's with me all the time. 1096 01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:31,894 The guilt that I feel is... 1097 01:07:31,977 --> 01:07:33,894 unbearable, 1098 01:07:33,977 --> 01:07:37,102 and I'm falling apart. 1099 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,770 This is hard. 1100 01:07:59,686 --> 01:08:01,852 - You're saying "One swig, and I'll never drink again?" 1101 01:08:01,936 --> 01:08:03,769 - One swig, and I'll never drink again. 1102 01:08:03,852 --> 01:08:05,018 - Okay. 1103 01:08:05,102 --> 01:08:06,560 Go ahead. - I'm gonna have a swig. 1104 01:08:06,644 --> 01:08:08,018 - Okay, I'm coming with you. 1105 01:08:08,102 --> 01:08:10,018 - Okay, I'm gonna take a glass. 1106 01:08:10,102 --> 01:08:12,060 - Oh, it has to be out of a glass? 1107 01:08:12,143 --> 01:08:13,644 - Well, do you think your parents 1108 01:08:13,727 --> 01:08:15,060 want me to drink straight from their bottle? 1109 01:08:15,143 --> 01:08:16,310 - No... 1110 01:08:20,061 --> 01:08:22,228 - I'm really having a hard time. 1111 01:08:22,311 --> 01:08:25,728 - Yeah, I know, but I'm scared, and-- 1112 01:08:25,812 --> 01:08:27,603 and I've been chasing you around all morning, 1113 01:08:27,687 --> 01:08:29,603 trying to make sure that you don't have a drink, 1114 01:08:29,687 --> 01:08:30,978 I can't do that. I can't-- 1115 01:08:31,061 --> 01:08:32,853 I can't follow you around all day. 1116 01:08:32,937 --> 01:08:36,103 - This will be the last time. 1117 01:08:36,186 --> 01:08:37,603 - And I don't know what to do. 1118 01:08:37,687 --> 01:08:38,728 I don't know what the right thing to do is. 1119 01:08:38,812 --> 01:08:39,895 You're not yourself. 1120 01:08:39,978 --> 01:08:42,144 You're a different person. 1121 01:08:58,145 --> 01:09:00,396 Is that how much you want? 1122 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,187 I--you can't be passed out on the airplane. 1123 01:09:09,521 --> 01:09:11,312 - My hands are shaking. 1124 01:09:19,521 --> 01:09:21,020 It's horrible. 1125 01:09:24,521 --> 01:09:27,062 Okay, that's it. 1126 01:09:27,145 --> 01:09:29,187 - I mean, you say-- I know that you say that, 1127 01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:30,562 but, like, I-- 1128 01:09:30,646 --> 01:09:32,813 you forget who you're talking to. 1129 01:09:32,896 --> 01:09:34,813 - What do you mean? - Now, I'm on camera, 1130 01:09:34,896 --> 01:09:37,688 saying "Have another drink," 1131 01:09:37,771 --> 01:09:39,438 and, you know... 1132 01:09:39,522 --> 01:09:42,063 - Right now? - Yeah. I mean, no, 1133 01:09:42,146 --> 01:09:43,689 I'm not saying you should have another drink now. 1134 01:09:43,772 --> 01:09:45,438 - I'm just saying we just-- 1135 01:09:45,522 --> 01:09:46,939 you just--you said, "Can I have another drink?" 1136 01:09:47,021 --> 01:09:48,146 and I said "Okay," and I don't know 1137 01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:49,647 how to feel about that. 1138 01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:51,105 I mean-- - It's the only thing 1139 01:09:51,188 --> 01:09:52,647 that makes me feel better. 1140 01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:54,939 I don't know how to explain that. 1141 01:09:55,021 --> 01:09:56,814 - I understand. - It's the only thing 1142 01:09:56,897 --> 01:09:58,271 that takes the pain away. - You don't need to explain it. 1143 01:09:58,355 --> 01:09:59,730 - I just feel really guilty 1144 01:09:59,814 --> 01:10:01,647 that I'm alive and she's dead. 1145 01:10:01,730 --> 01:10:04,814 - Well, here's my perspective. 1146 01:10:04,897 --> 01:10:06,563 She's been dead for seven years 1147 01:10:06,647 --> 01:10:08,980 and she's sent you to this bar 1148 01:10:09,063 --> 01:10:11,980 from the grave to drink. 1149 01:10:12,063 --> 01:10:15,021 I just--I really don't know how to stop. 1150 01:10:15,105 --> 01:10:18,105 - I know. - I know. 1151 01:10:45,606 --> 01:10:47,773 Here's my rehab room. 1152 01:10:58,565 --> 01:10:59,899 The big book, 1153 01:10:59,982 --> 01:11:05,565 required reading for all alcoholics. 1154 01:11:05,649 --> 01:11:08,023 Pictures from my kids. 1155 01:11:10,232 --> 01:11:11,732 There's nothing wrong with them. 1156 01:11:11,816 --> 01:11:14,982 Obviously, I'm the one with the problem. 1157 01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:20,899 I always wanted to be the opposite of Ruth. 1158 01:11:20,982 --> 01:11:22,857 You know what? We're not that different. 1159 01:11:40,066 --> 01:11:42,775 I always knew that I felt very guilty, 1160 01:11:42,858 --> 01:11:45,817 and I always knew I blamed myself, 1161 01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:50,233 but I didn't realize how painful it would be 1162 01:11:50,316 --> 01:11:53,692 to have compassion for her. 1163 01:12:03,191 --> 01:12:04,692 So ask me a question. 1164 01:12:04,775 --> 01:12:06,525 - Where are you--where are you coming from? 1165 01:12:06,608 --> 01:12:07,733 Where are you going? 1166 01:12:08,983 --> 01:12:11,525 - I have 30 days sober today. 1167 01:12:11,608 --> 01:12:13,233 - Yay. - And I'm going home. 1168 01:12:13,316 --> 01:12:17,066 - How exciting. - Very exciting. 1169 01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:18,442 - You look good. 1170 01:12:18,526 --> 01:12:19,984 - Thanks. I miss you. 1171 01:12:20,067 --> 01:12:21,109 - I miss you too. 1172 01:12:46,943 --> 01:12:51,025 - What do you know about these sort of blueprints 1173 01:12:51,109 --> 01:12:55,484 that she made for a possible display at Bellevue? 1174 01:12:55,567 --> 01:12:57,651 - It was one of the last things that she worked on. 1175 01:12:57,734 --> 01:13:00,318 Uh, she really wanted to do something 1176 01:13:00,402 --> 01:13:04,735 with her flowers in a dead space. 1177 01:13:04,819 --> 01:13:06,944 - Do you think it would be crazy 1178 01:13:07,026 --> 01:13:10,026 to try and make this happen? 1179 01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:13,360 - Are you ready to, emotionally? 1180 01:13:13,443 --> 01:13:15,276 Combining not just the art, 1181 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,276 but the crazy and the hospitals and the whole thing? 1182 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,735 - I don't know. 1183 01:13:22,276 --> 01:13:23,860 You want to help me carry it? 1184 01:13:23,944 --> 01:13:25,610 Thank you. 1185 01:13:31,318 --> 01:13:32,652 - It's one thing to say, 1186 01:13:32,735 --> 01:13:34,652 "Okay, I think I'm ready to go," 1187 01:13:34,735 --> 01:13:37,402 and open up the storage unit 1188 01:13:37,485 --> 01:13:39,569 and look at her work, 1189 01:13:39,653 --> 01:13:44,111 but this becomes a whole other thing. 1190 01:13:44,194 --> 01:13:47,236 - The difference with this, though, is 1191 01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:48,695 I would be making 1192 01:13:48,778 --> 01:13:51,152 one of Ruth's wishes come true. 1193 01:13:51,236 --> 01:13:53,194 - Well, that's for sure. 1194 01:13:53,277 --> 01:13:55,653 - And if I could realize that for her, 1195 01:13:55,736 --> 01:13:57,778 I would feel really proud. 1196 01:14:14,986 --> 01:14:20,404 I want to celebrate the good things about Ruth 1197 01:14:20,487 --> 01:14:23,779 and not dwell on the bad things. 1198 01:14:40,696 --> 01:14:42,696 Okay, so I should change. 1199 01:14:52,862 --> 01:14:54,195 Hello. - Hey! 1200 01:14:54,278 --> 01:14:55,779 Hi, I'm Greg Mink. How we doing? 1201 01:14:55,862 --> 01:14:57,195 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 1202 01:14:57,278 --> 01:14:58,279 - Thank you so much for coming over. 1203 01:14:58,363 --> 01:14:59,780 - Not a problem. 1204 01:14:59,863 --> 01:15:03,822 - So, um, I set up the photographs in here. 1205 01:15:03,905 --> 01:15:06,238 - Wow. 1206 01:15:06,321 --> 01:15:08,947 - So, um, 1207 01:15:09,029 --> 01:15:11,321 these are ones that you probably saw with her 1208 01:15:11,405 --> 01:15:13,822 years ago. - Yes. Mm-hmm. 1209 01:15:13,905 --> 01:15:15,822 - There's more in here. - Mm-hmm. 1210 01:15:15,905 --> 01:15:18,363 It's a little dusty, but... 1211 01:15:19,905 --> 01:15:22,071 Um, I actually have that one on my wall. 1212 01:15:22,154 --> 01:15:23,947 - Mm-hmm. 1213 01:15:24,029 --> 01:15:25,863 - This box has a lot, 1214 01:15:25,947 --> 01:15:27,530 but you could choose which one you could take with you. 1215 01:15:27,613 --> 01:15:29,988 - Mm-hmm. The next one? 1216 01:15:30,071 --> 01:15:31,154 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. 1217 01:15:31,238 --> 01:15:33,029 - Oh, that's a pretty one. 1218 01:15:33,113 --> 01:15:34,488 We're gonna give you that one, even if you don't want it. 1219 01:15:34,571 --> 01:15:36,321 - Yes. Mm-hmm. 1220 01:15:36,405 --> 01:15:38,071 - You can see, like... - Yes. 1221 01:15:38,154 --> 01:15:40,280 - The scale really makes a difference. 1222 01:15:40,364 --> 01:15:41,322 - Yes. - You know? 1223 01:15:41,406 --> 01:15:43,906 - Mm-hmm. 1224 01:15:43,989 --> 01:15:46,197 - I'm so excited. 1225 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,864 - Uh, we'll meet with-- meet with 1226 01:15:47,948 --> 01:15:49,781 the public affairs people next week, 1227 01:15:49,864 --> 01:15:52,072 and in terms of this show and we'll just give them a-- 1228 01:15:52,155 --> 01:15:53,531 a little background, 1229 01:15:53,614 --> 01:15:57,030 and I think they would be on board. 1230 01:16:03,447 --> 01:16:04,906 - Like maybe, up to the-- 1231 01:16:13,989 --> 01:16:15,364 - So now you can see some of that detail. 1232 01:16:15,447 --> 01:16:17,698 - Wow, that detail is amazing. 1233 01:16:20,031 --> 01:16:21,824 - Look at that yellow green. That's like... 1234 01:16:21,907 --> 01:16:23,281 - That's wonderful. 1235 01:16:23,365 --> 01:16:25,865 - Yeah. Get a little bit better sense 1236 01:16:25,949 --> 01:16:27,865 of what we're looking at. 1237 01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:30,407 - Ooh. 1238 01:16:30,490 --> 01:16:31,782 Ooh! 1239 01:16:31,865 --> 01:16:34,073 - Yeah, this one's magical. - Magical. 1240 01:16:34,156 --> 01:16:35,365 - Yeah. 1241 01:16:35,448 --> 01:16:37,699 - Wow. I know she loved this one, 1242 01:16:37,782 --> 01:16:39,615 because she gave it a name. 1243 01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:46,073 - Yeah? - Yeah. 1244 01:16:46,156 --> 01:16:48,073 - And then, are these logos correct? 1245 01:16:48,156 --> 01:16:49,365 - Yes. - And do you like 1246 01:16:49,448 --> 01:16:51,240 the name and font? - Yes. 1247 01:16:52,824 --> 01:16:55,615 It just has to look good. 1248 01:16:55,699 --> 01:16:57,156 It has to look as good 1249 01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,825 as Ruth would want it to look. 1250 01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:04,533 She had very high standards... 1251 01:17:11,908 --> 01:17:15,241 That were a little hard to live up to. 1252 01:17:21,408 --> 01:17:23,866 I don't doubt 1253 01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:26,825 the artwork and I don't doubt... 1254 01:17:28,866 --> 01:17:30,700 I just-- I just want to make sure 1255 01:17:30,783 --> 01:17:32,366 that I did it right. 1256 01:17:46,492 --> 01:17:48,117 I can carry one. 1257 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,117 When we were little kids, 1258 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,534 I was her faithful servant. 1259 01:18:08,742 --> 01:18:10,909 I still feel like I am. 1260 01:18:17,826 --> 01:18:20,785 She always wanted to become one with me. 1261 01:18:20,868 --> 01:18:21,952 Looks good. 1262 01:18:22,034 --> 01:18:23,535 She's in there. 1263 01:18:27,952 --> 01:18:30,576 My sister made these. - Can I take a picture? 1264 01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:31,827 - You can take a picture. Of course. 1265 01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:34,743 - Cell phone--take a picture. 1266 01:18:34,827 --> 01:18:36,702 - That's cute. - Thank you so much. 1267 01:18:36,785 --> 01:18:38,326 Thank you. - No, thank you. 1268 01:18:38,410 --> 01:18:39,827 I'm glad you're enjoying it. 1269 01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:42,368 That makes me really happy. Thank you. 1270 01:19:07,035 --> 01:19:08,452 One of Ruth's dreams 1271 01:19:08,536 --> 01:19:11,369 was to have a show at Bellevue. 1272 01:19:11,452 --> 01:19:14,744 I made it my dream to have a show at Bellevue. 1273 01:19:14,828 --> 01:19:16,953 That's not my dream. 1274 01:19:19,994 --> 01:19:21,911 My dream is something so impossible. 1275 01:19:21,994 --> 01:19:24,077 My wish is that she'd come back 1276 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,786 and be healthy. 1277 01:20:11,495 --> 01:20:13,286 There is something unique 1278 01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:16,078 about losing someone to suicide. 1279 01:20:16,161 --> 01:20:21,204 It's not really something you're ever gonna get over. 1280 01:20:21,287 --> 01:20:24,663 It's a daily battle. 1281 01:20:24,746 --> 01:20:28,371 It's like you always have a splinter in your hand 1282 01:20:28,454 --> 01:20:30,705 Sometimes you notice it and sometimes you don't, 1283 01:20:30,788 --> 01:20:32,788 but the splinter's always there. 1284 01:20:34,705 --> 01:20:37,955 You can't destroy yourself over it, but... 1285 01:20:40,788 --> 01:20:43,496 You can have the splinter and live. 1286 01:20:43,579 --> 01:20:45,413 The splinter's not gonna kill you. 1287 01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:54,329 - You want to talk about your sister? 1288 01:20:54,413 --> 01:20:57,746 - Um, when I did that portrait of my sister, 1289 01:20:57,830 --> 01:21:00,455 we were in a very good mood and we were very happy, 1290 01:21:00,539 --> 01:21:03,747 but I always knew 1291 01:21:03,831 --> 01:21:05,831 there was something underlying-- 1292 01:21:05,914 --> 01:21:08,038 you know, down inside her-- 1293 01:21:08,122 --> 01:21:11,997 that it just wasn't altogether happy. 1294 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,580 - Do you love your sister? 1295 01:21:13,664 --> 01:21:15,997 - I love my sister very much. 1296 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,247 She's probably the most important person to me 1297 01:21:18,330 --> 01:21:20,455 in the world. 91877

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