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Would you raise your right
hand, please?
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Do you solemnly swear to tell
the truth, the whole truth
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- and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
- Yeah.
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Would you please give us
your full name?
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Lance Armstrong.
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You understand that although we're in
the conference room of your lawyers,
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you are giving testimony as
if you are in a court of law?
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- Do you understand that?
- Correct.
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And that penalties of perjury
attach to this deposition
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- just like they would to a court of law proceeding.
- Of course.
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There's been allegations
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regarding what has been alleged to
be a steroid or cortisone in
connection...
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- What do you mean, a steroid or a cortisone?
- Cortisone, I apologise.
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- Because they're different.
- I understand, believe me.
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One is actually anabolic
and one is actually catabolic.
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Know what they've done with
the money?
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I just told you I don't know.
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- Was it earmarked...
- Which part of "I don't know"
do you not understand?
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- I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear.
- How many times do I have to say it?
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It can't be any clear than
"I've never taken drugs."
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How clear is that?
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His name is Lance Armstrong,
and today, if his legs feel strong,
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this 21-year-old Texan can become
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cycling's first million-dollar baby.
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Regardless of
the million-dollar prize,
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it's been a race that
I wanted to win all year long
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and now with that staring me in the
face, it's an even bigger race.
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He's going for his third consecutive
victory with only today's
four states championship
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standing in the way of winning the
Thrift Drug Triple Crown -
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look out Philadelphia,
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Lance is coming to town!
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There was this million-dollar prize,
if Lance Armstrong
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could win, so all the pressure
was on him, it was on the team.
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Thing is, he was the favourite
going in - he was strong,
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he was beating up on everybody.
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I'll be disappointed with anything
but a win.
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Lance had the chance to win it.
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But he knows, the man to beat
that day, it was me.
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Philadelphia - it was my race, every
year I was preparing for that race.
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And Frankie Andreu of Motorola
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who has slowed down the brakes...
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I remember Lance made a deal
with some Italians.
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Stephen Swart,
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Davis Phinney, Tommy,
the team have this deal with Lance.
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Lance Armstrong is flying up the wall,
making it look almost effortless!
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The last three laps is
when the race is decided.
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That's
when Lance starts talking to me,
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he wants to make sure that
I was in the plan,
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didn't want to take any risk.
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And he say, "We make a deal,
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and I know you're the only one
can come with me,
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but don't come with me."
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And right on cue,
Lance is out of the saddle,
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pushing himself into a higher gear.
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On my heart, on my deep heart,
I don't want to do it,
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but when you have eight team-mates,
you can't go against the team.
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The group could do nothing but watch
Lance dance away into the lead
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as they, compared to Lance,
seemed to be standing still.
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And so I pulled back and see him
going. And he went.
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And true to form, Lance doesn't
disappoint them.
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Cycling's first million-dollar man,
US Pro champion!
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Deep inside, I feel terrible,
because I know I could have,
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I could have won it.
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For Lance, a joyous celebration
with his mother.
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The success that Lance has seen
and will continue to see
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of course makes me very proud,
there's not a better gift.
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Lance has rolled the dice and come
up a winner.
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It's a big day for me but I think
it's a bigger day for cycling,
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everybody won today.
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As far as I know, Philly's been
going around for 30 years
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and I don't think that's ever been
done before.
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So, that's a huge chunk of change.
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After the race, Lance
come to my room,
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with a cake box, a metal
cake box, a Panettone
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and he just gave it to me
and say "Merry Christmas."
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It was, like, $100,000.
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Cash.
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This was a... This was
a Lance Armstrong specialty.
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I really want to win a classic.
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I mean, if you're going to put
a lot of time into it,
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if I'm going to be
18, 19, 20 years old
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and I'm going to give up
an education,
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- if I'm going to give up...
- That is what you did?
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Yeah, if I'm going to give
up time at home,
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sure, it better be rewarding,
in terms of money.
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Always in the back of Lance's mind
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was that great fortunes can be made
in professional road racing.
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And for a poor kid growing up, hard
scrabble in Texas, it's important.
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The next progression is to race
in Europe, in the biggest pro races.
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Como, Italy, was kind of like
the American base.
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A lot of 7-Eleven guys were living
there, and at that time,
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Lance and I,
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I don't know how we got into
the discussion, but we decided,
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"Hey, we'll live together for next
year" and so I was like, "Sweet.
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It'll be good, it'll be fun."
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It was great. You know, cooking,
having risotto.
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I remember eating watermelon out on the
balcony and we had this bad little car,
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that we used to get around.
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I mean, we weren't teenagers,
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but it was like teenagers
just hanging out in Europe.
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Frankie was Lance's closest friend,
and because I was dating Frankie,
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I became friends with Lance as well,
and he was fun.
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He was fun to hang out with.
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And Lance and I had a unique
relationship,
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because so many people from early on
would just kow-tow to him,
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but with Lance, he would try to rib
me, and try to just get me going,
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and so we would butt heads and
we would argue.
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But we kind of, I think, enjoyed
getting under each other's skin.
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Hello again, and welcome back to
the Tour de France.
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We're at Stage 8 this morning and
the sun is still shining...
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The Tour de France...
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...REALLY hard.
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Racing bikes in Europe is bad for
you, it's not healthy.
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You sacrifice a lot to be
successful.
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At the Tour de France, I was rooming
with Lance, and I was like,
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"Lance, this is your day.
This is the one you can win."
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And he was like, "Really, you
think so?" I'm like, "Yeah!"
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Armstrong is fifth down the
line...
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Armstrong has the advantage...
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It's got, like,
a little 6K climb at the end,
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I mean, it's power downhill sprint,
it's perfect.
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And on that day, the whole team
committed,
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led him out to the bottom of that
climb
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and pretty much, "All right, go!"
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Armstrong boxed in by Dominique Arnould, who
won the first stage of the Tour a year ago.
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They've pushed Armstrong very,
very wide indeed as Pensec goes
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and Pensec really isn't a sprinter,
this would be a surprise.
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Ronan Pensec leading out, now Armstrong
goes, on the left of the picture,
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Lance Armstrong in his first Tour de
France, they all said he was too young,
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but he gets it on the line!
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We met at the Motorola Hotel, he was
only 21 years of age, he was riding
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the Tour for the first time
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and in that pathetic way of
sports writers,
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we like to be able to say
at some future point,
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"Oh, you know,
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I interviewed Lance when he was
just a kid in his first Tour",
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it was going to be like
a badge of honour.
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That was a lot of fun.
That was really -
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I think, just the way it went
down with the last climb
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and guys were attacking
and I was so motivated...
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When I asked him about what he felt
like coming towards the end of race,
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he said, "Oh, when I get in the situation
with the little group of 6 or 8 riders
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and I know I've got a real chance of winning"
he said, "I start to shriek and my body shakes.
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And I think about my mum -
she didn't raise a quitter."
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I had this sense of a guy
who just wouldn't be beaten.
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Who through the force of his will
and his personality,
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became almost somebody different.
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There's Dekker on the floor again!
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And Lance Armstrong
has sprinted the gap closed...
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Lance Armstrong, who has joined...
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Now he's looking back and seeing
nobody
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as he become champion of the world.
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Lance Armstrong, 21 years of age,
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is America's second only
World ever Road Race Champion,
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beating the greatest
man of the moment in world cycling,
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Miguel Indurain.
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He raised a smile there, but I
think Miguel, very disappointed.
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And could it be that we're
watching the man
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who will replace the great
Greg LeMond in the years ahead,
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Lance Armstrong now.
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Indurain goes now, in what to him
will hopefully re-establish him
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as the best rider...
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Through 1993,
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the races just increased,
the speeds were so dramatic,
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it was night and day.
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One of the riders was told what was
going on in the Spanish team.
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The rider just said,
"Pfft, you guys have no chance.
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We're doing EPO, growth hormone,
testosterone.
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You'll never make it."
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He comes up to the line, 1 hour 50
and 58, 2 minutes precisely!
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Well, the way that guy came by...
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and that was probably part of the
reason that I'm so wasted in the end
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because I tried to match his speed
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and he goes along the flats 55, 56,
57 K's an hour, I was 53.11.
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Getting dropped!
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We're talking about the speed
of the peloton and this new drug EPO
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and talking about Dr. Ferrari.
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Lance would have known Ferrari
by reputation.
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Now he wanted to meet the man
and start working with him.
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Ferrari had a reputation of being
the best in the business.
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If you wanted to win
races, win the Tour,
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you go see this guy and he's going
to set you up.
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As good as that reputation was,
everybody knew that if you went
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to see Ferrari, you were going
to get doped.
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So Lance kept it a secret
from everyone for a long time.
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And Lance had the intelligence
to see that Ferrari was special
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in terms of his understanding
of physiology,
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and of the drugs and how
they interacted.
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With his charisma
and his natural intelligence,
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Lance was able to endear himself
to Ferrari,
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become the Adam of what would be
Ferrari's creation.
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You keep doing your job
as Frankenstein
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and I'll be the best monster
you've ever created.
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And Ferrari loved him for that.
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You know, the pupil from heaven.
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The train just started rolling
full blast,
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just like, it was just...
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reefing across the landscape.
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It is, he's gone.
Armstrong has gone,
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the sort of thing he did
in the World Championship at Oslo.
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Is this man on the start of his
greatest ever season?
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Travelling at nearly 40mph,
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Armstrong showing enormous
determination.
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You couldn't develop a product more
perfect for the ravages
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of endurance athletics than EPO.
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Armstrong has done it today.
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EPO was done in secret.
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You never knew what anybody
else was doing.
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Even for the top, top guys,
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they never knew what the other guy
was doing, so everybody thought
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they had to do more in order to be
able to win, or to keep up.
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I was tired of getting beat up on,
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tired of getting dropped
and watching fat sprinters get over
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category-one climbs and win. Getting
thrown out the back of the group.
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"I'm going to, I'm not going to."
You know, sleepless nights,
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figuring out, and then...
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- You did a great job.
- We're going, "That's our Frankie!"
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- That's great. Congratulations.
- Thanks a lot.
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Have you been enjoying
the Tour de France?
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No comment.
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Sure enough,
eventually I cracked.
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Yeah, drove to Switzerland
and pretty much just walked
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into a pharmacy, just like, could
have bought chewing gum.
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It was that easy.
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But then the punch-up started.
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Lance Armstrong, number 61 for
the Motorola Team.
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When you're racing,
you think you're invincible.
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You think you can do anything,
nothing's going to stop you,
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nothing's going to harm you and then
all of a sudden...
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From the beginning of the Tour,
I knew that I was a step off,
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and a lot of times when your body
is down like that,
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then a virus or any illness will move
in and take over.
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That evening the phone rings,
and I hear Lance's neighbour
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on the other end, and he said
"Linda, I don't know any easy way
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to tell you this, but Lance has
been diagnosed with cancer."
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It literally crushed every
single piece of me on the inside.
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On Wednesday October 2nd, I was
diagnosed with testicular cancer.
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Prior to seeing my doctor last week,
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I'd been experiencing swelling
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and pain in one of my testicles,
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and I'd coughed up some blood.
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On Thursday October 3rd, I underwent
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surgery at St David's hospital
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here in Austin, to have
the malignant testicle removed.
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A CAT scan was also performed
the same day.
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The CAT scan revealed that my
condition has spread into my abdomen.
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At the time, I think most people
would have suggested,
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with the brain metastases and such,
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that at best you'd cure maybe one
out of three of those people.
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It was awful, and I thought how
in the hell does a guy
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who's in such good shape,
so young, get cancer?
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The first impression I got,
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which is the impression
I get from a lot of people,
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is that he was scared.
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He was certainly looking
at very primal aspects.
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You know, saving his life or not,
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and a lot of secondary
consequences - his career,
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family, future kids.
All that.
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We wanted to go see Lance,
and the time to see him
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was after his brain surgery,
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and so Frankie and I made the
six-hour drive to Indiana.
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And that was the first time I'd
seen him since the announcement,
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and I remember seeing
the big horseshoe scar
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on the top of his head.
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We went into the room
and it was a football game,
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Dallas Cowboys football game
was playing. So he was in there,
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his girlfriend at the time
Lisa Shields was there,
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and Stephanie McIlvain,
the rep from Oakley was there.
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Chris Carmichael, his coach,
was there with Paige, I think.
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And the doctors came in, and when
the doctors came in...
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...they said, "Oh, you know, we need
to ask you some questions."
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I said, "We should leave,
let him have his privacy."
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And Lance said, "No, no, no.
Don't worry about it.
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You guys can stay, no problem."
And I said, "OK, we'll stay."
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They asked a few banal questions,
and then one of them was.
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"Have you ever used any
performance-enhancing drugs?"
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And Lance, just nonchalantly holding
on to his IV, staring down,
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rattled off, "Yeah, EPO, testosterone,
growth hormone, cortisone and steroids."
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And at that point my
jaw was, like, holy shit,
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because Betsy's sitting
right next to me.
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I don't know what the hell
she's thinking.
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And I was like, "We got to go."
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And we stood up and walked
out of the room, right away.
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I was furious,
because I said to him,
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"That's how Lance got his cancer,
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and if you're doing that,
I'm not marrying you."
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We were just engaged
six weeks earlier.
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She was upset that
he was taking that stuff.
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She was crazy, like, if I was taking
that stuff, then if you're
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taking all that stuff, it obviously
is going to affect your health.
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Because I thought, "Oh, my gosh,
is this going on?
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Is everybody doing this?"
And Frankie swore to me no.
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Had to do with trust,
and is she going to marry me?
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So, you know, it was, yeah,
you know, I think she even
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right there on the spot threatened,
like, "I'm not marrying you,
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if you're doing all that stuff."
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I was just ready to call
the whole thing off.
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Before cancer,
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Lance had signed up for
the French Team Cofidis.
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It wasn't know if he would live or
race bikes again.
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All of those things were not known.
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I still have a ways to
go on the bike.
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Does it sound like some kind of
miracle cure?
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No, it's not a miracle.
Everything was...
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The therapy was normal therapy.
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I had to do just as much
as everybody else.
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He made the decision to go because
they were astonished to see him
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there, and then he decided he would
carry on to Italy
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and see Michele Ferrari,
for what would have been
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really just
a friend-to-friend visit.
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That is extraordinary,
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because it indicated
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that in a relatively short time,
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he and Michele Ferrari
had become very close,
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and it was also a visit to say,
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"If I come back and I make a full
recovery, I'm going to achieve
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everything I ever wanted to
achieve, whatever it takes,
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and I want you working with me."
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The American Mafia.
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Took him a long
time to find a team
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and a structure that would
make it worthwhile.
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When I tried to come back,
there was no interest. None.
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And then finally signed the deal
with the US Postal Team.
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I think that if I were to come back
and to win,
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and to be successful, I would
consider that a complete recovery,
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as an athlete.
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As much as Lance wanted to win,
Thom Weisel wanted to win,
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and he was the creator
of the US Postal Team.
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People talk about Lance being this
kind of ruthless alpha male leader.
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Thom Weisel was one of those.
You know, a ruthless guy.
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Lance's first contract
was for minimal wages.
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Weisel said, "Go out there,
win races,
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prove you're back competitive
and I'll give you a huge bonus."
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And he went after those bonuses
like, tooth and nail.
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Lance, that's 40 seconds on Masolini
and one minute and ten seconds.
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On certain teams, you have riders
that are acquaintances.
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He was just smiling a minute ago!
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Or co-workers.
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That '99 Tour Team,
we were friends and good friends.
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We were just, we were close.
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It was a close-knit group of riders.
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Hincapie, Livingston,
Vande Velde, Lance,
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and we would do anything
for each other.
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I hate the French.
Screw the French.
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Frankie was on that team,
Tyler Hamilton was on that team.
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When I got selected to do the team,
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I told my parents.
I told them to come over
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because this is probably
the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
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to see me in the Tour de France.
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Lance, Kristin, Frankie and I
were driving
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from Milano to Sanremo, and Lance
had to make a stop to see Ferrari,
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which was outside of Milano,
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in the parking lot of a hotel
gas station...
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...in Ferrari's camper van.
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And I said,
"Why are you meeting him here?
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Isn't that odd, you meeting
Ferrari, your doctor, here?"
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He said, "So the fucking journalists
don't find out."
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And I said, "Well, what's wrong,
if the journalists find out?"
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And he just looked at me
and he glared.
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Kristin and I had to
waste about an hour
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until Lance was done
doing his tests with Ferrari.
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When he was finished,
Lance was pretty excited,
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and he said,
"My numbers are great."
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And then he got in the car,
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he looked through his rear view
mirror, he looked at me
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and he said, "Frankie could get
results too, but he's too cheap."
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He told me a bunch of times,
that I needed to step up,
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and I should go see Ferrari.
You know, there's no way.
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I just felt like if I was even
linked as going to see Ferrari,
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that automatically
meant I was a doper.
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The danger about EPO and there
in France was, you know,
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there was a big bust
the year before.
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Riders and staff went to jail.
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French police raided the hotel
rooms of several leading riders
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and found stashes of
performance-enhancing drugs.
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Another leading rider was missing
from the line-up,
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in police custody...
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It was the year after the Festina
affair, where a lot of drugs
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were caught within a team.
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The team couldn't risk taking it
to the race.
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You know, we'd lose the sponsor
right away.
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To get EPO for the Tour de France,
we came up with a plan.
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Well, after last year's sensational
Tour de France,
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who knows what we can expect
this time around.
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Departure of the man everybody
is talking about, Richard Virenque.
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Did you hear that cheer?
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The plan had Motor Man involved.
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Motor Man was a French...
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He used to be a gardener/handyman
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for Lance Armstrong.
He loved to ride motorcycles.
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Back to Abraham Olano,
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I think probably the number one
favourite now.
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He would follow the race,
always stay within probably
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a half-hour drive from our hotel.
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The best finisher of a year ago,
Bobby Julich.
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He's based everything on this month,
the Tour de France,
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he wants to be the American winner.
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But the man doing great times out on
the course, Phil, is Lance Armstrong.
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He hasn't been here for a couple
of years because of his illness
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but he's back now.
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Motor Man would basically just
wait for a phone call.
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The EPO would arrive, you know,
in the evening.
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He's just about done.
8.18, Chris Boardman.
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8 minutes and 12 seconds
for Abraham Olano
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8.09, Zulle has rewritten
the finishing order for now.
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And Armstrong coming up now,
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can he get off to a great
start in the Tour de France?
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He is aiming at eight minutes
and nine seconds,
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he's certainly
ahead of Chris Boardman
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at this point, my goodness me!
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8:02.51,
Lance Armstrong,
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with that performance, I think
may have done enough.
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He knew about it.
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Johan Bruyneel knew about it.
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You were right there in the heart
of the Tour de France,
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you know?
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Thousands and thousands
of people around the team camper.
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- All the way from Indianapolis!
- No time, sorry.
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I remember just trying to get rid
of it as quickly as possible.
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You quickly just stuck it in,
got rid of it.
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Then it was quickly hidden away,
typically in like, a Coke can.
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It was nerve-racking,
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but yet, at the time, it was kind
of exciting too,
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cos you were being such a deviant.
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Sestriere, the first big
mountain day.
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Destination's Sestriere, 213 km of
distance...
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We had a job to set up Lance,
to keep him as fresh as possible
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till that final climb.
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US Postal, where the pace-making up
the climb was done by Frankie Andreu.
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We had to set the tempo, to be
able to keep things together,
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and then riding on the
front like a drag race,
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as hard as we could to the bottom
of the climb,
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turn and then start riding as hard
as I could, like a field sprint.
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When I was watching
the Tour on TV,
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I saw Frankie climbing,
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leading the pack up
a mountain in Sestriere.
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He doesn't specialise in sprinting,
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he doesn't specialise
in mountain climbing.
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He just specialises in being
the worker bee,
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so when Frankie was actually
pulling on Sestriere,
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it just didn't make sense.
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And so I called a friend of mine
in Paris,
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and I said "Are you seeing
what I'm seeing?"
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And she said, "Yeah, isn't it great?
Frankie's doing wonderful."
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"He's doing so well." And I said,
"Wonderful, my ass.
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He's not a climber,
he should not be pulling."
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An attack there by Armstrong.
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Look at the acceleration of this as
he chases down those motorbikes.
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Five and a half hours he's
been pedalling today,
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marking everything,
never looking distressed
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and now he's going to try
and tear this race apart.
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That was an unbelievable attack,
he took a lot of risk to go up
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through the inside there. There was
hardly any room at all.
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Armstrong is so comfortable,
he jumped across that gap.
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That gap was up to 30 seconds.
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We're watching the Sestriere stage,
and it was shocking.
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It was like, "Oh, my God, he's
dropping riders, dropping climbers."
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This man has managed to come back
from the face of death...
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One of the mechanics
was right next to me,
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and he said, "Il est sur Le jus."
462
00:26:27,405 --> 00:26:30,884
And Armstrong is ripping
the legs off this climber right now.
463
00:26:30,885 --> 00:26:33,164
"Il est sur Le jus."
Like, he's on the juice.
464
00:26:33,165 --> 00:26:36,044
And I'm like, "What?"
He said, "He's on the juice."
465
00:26:36,045 --> 00:26:39,844
He is going faster and faster,
and he is going to win this...
466
00:26:39,845 --> 00:26:41,684
I said, "How do you know?"
467
00:26:41,685 --> 00:26:44,124
He said, "Look at his eyes,
his breathing.
468
00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:46,565
There's no suffering."
469
00:26:49,805 --> 00:26:51,804
It's almost like whatever
they're doing,
470
00:26:51,805 --> 00:26:55,205
they got so much oxygen, it's like
they're not feeling the pain.
471
00:27:02,605 --> 00:27:06,845
He's talking on his radio,
his phone, and it was surreal.
472
00:27:10,965 --> 00:27:15,284
And the rain starts again as Lance
Armstrong conquers Sestriere now.
473
00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:16,884
He heads up towards the line.
474
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,084
Now he's ridden fast and dropped
his rivals, mano-a-mano.
475
00:27:20,085 --> 00:27:22,004
This will be some victory salute.
476
00:27:22,005 --> 00:27:24,564
It will be a while before we know
if it is as the winner
477
00:27:24,565 --> 00:27:27,804
of the Tour de France, but there are
few people in this race now
478
00:27:27,805 --> 00:27:30,804
will doubt that. Lance Armstrong
comes across the line
479
00:27:30,805 --> 00:27:35,165
winner today of the mountain
stage of the Tour de France.
480
00:27:38,765 --> 00:27:41,285
He is really ripping
the race apart.
481
00:27:48,965 --> 00:27:52,284
And so that night after the race
I called Frankie, and I said,
482
00:27:52,285 --> 00:27:54,284
"What in the hell was that?"
483
00:27:54,285 --> 00:27:56,684
And he said, "What was what?"
484
00:27:56,685 --> 00:27:59,004
"What are you doing?
What are you taking?
485
00:27:59,005 --> 00:28:01,285
I don't believe you.
This is bullshit."
486
00:28:02,845 --> 00:28:06,284
There are a lot of secrets,
lot of secrets, lot of...
487
00:28:06,285 --> 00:28:09,124
It was almost like I was
in this just bizarre movie,
488
00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:11,364
some sort of wild western movie.
489
00:28:15,525 --> 00:28:18,085
But something didn't go right.
490
00:28:21,245 --> 00:28:23,644
It was the UCI really who
alerted us.
491
00:28:26,845 --> 00:28:29,284
After winning the prologue,
you're tested.
492
00:28:29,285 --> 00:28:31,484
But then everybody saw you
speaking to the Italians
493
00:28:31,485 --> 00:28:33,404
so is it just
an English language ban?
494
00:28:33,405 --> 00:28:36,284
When Lance was tested for that,
when the results came back,
495
00:28:36,285 --> 00:28:39,684
he had high levels
of corticosteroids in his system.
496
00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:42,364
Cortisone definitely worked.
497
00:28:42,365 --> 00:28:45,564
You know, you could push through
to a whole 'nother level on it,
498
00:28:45,565 --> 00:28:48,924
so over the years, I myself
took cortisone many times -
499
00:28:48,925 --> 00:28:52,124
not for injuries, but for
performance enhancement.
500
00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,444
Now you're going to speak...?
501
00:28:53,445 --> 00:28:56,645
- Actually, we were looking for you in there.
- You were? OK.
502
00:28:58,045 --> 00:29:01,244
Lance had asked us to pick up something
from the Spanish doctor in Spain.
503
00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:04,004
What these people need to
remember is that I was
504
00:29:04,005 --> 00:29:07,364
the World Champion in 1993 when
nobody had heard of drugs.
505
00:29:07,365 --> 00:29:10,364
So I went down to Spain,
picked up the product.
506
00:29:10,365 --> 00:29:12,124
That was cloak and dagger.
507
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,244
Nobody had heard of EPO.
508
00:29:14,245 --> 00:29:18,124
Johan, he just kind of passed it
as he's walking by, he just passed
509
00:29:18,125 --> 00:29:21,204
it into my hand and said, "Lovely
day." Just to make sure I had it.
510
00:29:21,205 --> 00:29:24,644
I've proven my class.
I've shown my class, from day one.
511
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:27,284
Then we were getting back up to
the border to go into France,
512
00:29:27,285 --> 00:29:29,884
there's never a queue at
this border.
513
00:29:29,885 --> 00:29:32,004
There's no secrets here.
514
00:29:32,005 --> 00:29:36,164
There was a queue. I'd seen what
happened after the Festina affair
515
00:29:36,165 --> 00:29:39,924
and I thought, "Oh, God - I could be
one of these that got picked up
516
00:29:39,925 --> 00:29:44,124
last year in the Tour," and I
must have aged about ten years.
517
00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:46,804
We have the oldest secret
in the book - hard work.
518
00:29:46,805 --> 00:29:49,204
So, but luckily enough,
we didn't get stopped.
519
00:29:49,205 --> 00:29:51,804
Came back to France and gave Lance
the little bottle
520
00:29:51,805 --> 00:29:54,565
in the car park of McDonalds
and Frasiers.
521
00:29:58,685 --> 00:30:02,724
We needed to come up with a proper
plan that we're on the same page.
522
00:30:02,725 --> 00:30:05,124
So while I'm giving Lance
his massage,
523
00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:07,884
the others from the team came in.
524
00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:10,404
The problem that had to be sorted
was that Lance
525
00:30:10,405 --> 00:30:13,484
didn't have a prescription
for corticosteroids,
526
00:30:13,485 --> 00:30:17,564
so the idea was then that the doctor
would write a prescription for that,
527
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:19,484
but backdate it to pre the prologue,
528
00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:23,285
and just pretend it was a cream that
Lance was taking for saddle sores.
529
00:30:34,645 --> 00:30:38,084
And then as we kind of come to the
end of the whole conversation
530
00:30:38,085 --> 00:30:40,244
about steroids, Lance just goes,
531
00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:42,444
"Oh, well, now you know enough
to bring me down."
532
00:30:42,445 --> 00:30:44,284
The next day was the press
conference,
533
00:30:44,285 --> 00:30:46,684
and everything could just blow up
in everybody's faces.
534
00:30:46,685 --> 00:30:49,164
To think I'm going to come back
into sport and risk my life
535
00:30:49,165 --> 00:30:51,124
with performance-enhancing drugs
is crazy.
536
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,604
When I tried to come back to the
sport, nobody gave me a chance.
537
00:30:53,605 --> 00:30:54,804
Nobody gave me a chance.
538
00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:57,564
"So he must be doing something",
so it's the same mentality.
539
00:30:57,565 --> 00:31:00,524
It's the same mentality, it's
consistent through and through.
540
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,804
Tonight, he has some very
high-level help
541
00:31:02,805 --> 00:31:05,404
because the UCI, the world governing
body of cycling,
542
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,404
have just released this press
communique.
543
00:31:07,405 --> 00:31:09,724
They confirm basically that
the rider used an ointment,
544
00:31:09,725 --> 00:31:11,124
and they give the brand name,
545
00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:13,444
and that he also offered them
a medical prescription
546
00:31:13,445 --> 00:31:15,804
before his test.
547
00:31:15,805 --> 00:31:18,924
He comes up to the line -
16 seconds, 15, 14,
548
00:31:18,925 --> 00:31:20,844
it is getting desperately close here.
549
00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:22,124
Zulle versus Armstrong,
550
00:31:22,125 --> 00:31:24,564
and Zulle loses!
Armstrong is the winner,
551
00:31:24,565 --> 00:31:28,524
he has achieved yet another page in
this fairy story
552
00:31:28,525 --> 00:31:31,765
that just goes on.
553
00:31:33,045 --> 00:31:35,364
I'm so proud of my son,
always have been,
554
00:31:35,365 --> 00:31:38,644
and the fact that we overcame
cancer, and we're here today,
555
00:31:38,645 --> 00:31:40,404
in the yellow jersey.
556
00:31:40,405 --> 00:31:45,164
And when you see him tomorrow in the
yellow jersey on the Champs-Elysees?
557
00:31:45,165 --> 00:31:48,085
A picture without words.
558
00:31:55,645 --> 00:31:58,444
...the winner of the Tour de France,
in a big field,
559
00:31:58,445 --> 00:32:01,924
is the American Lance Armstrong,
and what a ride that has been.
560
00:32:01,925 --> 00:32:04,204
It will be remembered
in the millennium
561
00:32:04,205 --> 00:32:07,364
as one of the finest sporting
achievements in the history
562
00:32:07,365 --> 00:32:09,524
of not just cycling, but any sport.
563
00:32:09,525 --> 00:32:14,084
Back in his home state of Texas,
they are celebrating a hero.
564
00:32:14,085 --> 00:32:17,004
The most fantastic feeling,
we're just so proud of him
565
00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:18,524
and this whole team, they just...
566
00:32:18,525 --> 00:32:20,524
It's absolutely incredible and we're
567
00:32:20,525 --> 00:32:22,284
so excited to celebrate tonight
568
00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:24,324
all of us!
569
00:32:24,325 --> 00:32:27,684
We were talking about how our lives
were going to change,
570
00:32:27,685 --> 00:32:31,364
and so I asked the question,
571
00:32:31,365 --> 00:32:34,964
"So, what do you think
about EPO, Kristin?"
572
00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:37,084
"Oh, it's a necessary evil."
573
00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:40,484
And I thought, "Oh, my God,
574
00:32:40,485 --> 00:32:42,884
she doesn't care.
575
00:32:42,885 --> 00:32:44,565
She just doesn't care."
576
00:32:47,285 --> 00:32:49,524
- Smile - say cheese!
- Howdy!
577
00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:54,284
Congratulations, friend, on behalf
of all of us in Texas and America,
578
00:32:54,285 --> 00:32:55,924
we're so proud of you.
579
00:32:55,925 --> 00:33:00,604
He went up and he went up.
Lance is on the wheel.
580
00:33:00,605 --> 00:33:02,564
There's Tyler.
581
00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:04,524
Take it easy on camera.
582
00:33:04,525 --> 00:33:07,484
- Luis!
- How are you? Are you tired today?
583
00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:10,404
No. Be well.
584
00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:14,924
Carmichael and Stapleton,
unbelievable. They're so serious.
585
00:33:14,925 --> 00:33:18,484
The man, the myth - Johan Bruyneel.
586
00:33:18,485 --> 00:33:20,765
- Say hello to my family.
- Hi, family!
587
00:33:22,725 --> 00:33:24,124
In Texas, all eyes were on
588
00:33:24,125 --> 00:33:26,724
American Tour de France winner
Lance Armstrong.
589
00:33:26,725 --> 00:33:29,164
A parade was held in his honour
in Austin,
590
00:33:29,165 --> 00:33:31,284
Armstrong's adopted hometown.
591
00:33:31,285 --> 00:33:34,365
Many people wore yellow, the colour
of the winner's jersey...
592
00:33:41,045 --> 00:33:43,444
...proclaim July 29 in the city
of New York as
593
00:33:43,445 --> 00:33:45,445
Lance Armstrong Day.
594
00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:50,004
...Cycling's biggest prize,
the Tour de France,
595
00:33:50,005 --> 00:33:52,764
the first American winner to lead
an American team,
596
00:33:52,765 --> 00:33:54,845
and in record time at that.
597
00:33:58,885 --> 00:34:01,924
Nobody believed in us,
nobody believed that
598
00:34:01,925 --> 00:34:04,804
if Lance Armstrong took the yellow
jersey, with the help of his team,
599
00:34:04,805 --> 00:34:07,124
on stage eight, how could
they keep it to stage 22?
600
00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:08,884
They thought the team would crack.
601
00:34:08,885 --> 00:34:11,404
But that team of seven out of nine
guys being American,
602
00:34:11,405 --> 00:34:13,164
an American team,
an American sponsor,
603
00:34:13,165 --> 00:34:15,524
they were the strongest
team in the race.
604
00:34:15,525 --> 00:34:17,644
And everybody in Paris knew that.
605
00:34:17,645 --> 00:34:21,324
And I can assure you that next
year's Tour de France,
606
00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:24,485
there will be no,
there'll be no doubters.
607
00:34:29,885 --> 00:34:33,444
Welcome to Futuroscope
on the outskirts of Poitiers,
608
00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:36,284
and to the 87th running
of the Tour de France.
609
00:34:36,285 --> 00:34:41,044
All of a sudden they're talking
about this EPO test coming out.
610
00:34:46,005 --> 00:34:50,084
We didn't know exactly when it was
coming out, but no longer
611
00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:52,565
could you feel 100% safe.
612
00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:56,444
You take a shot of EPO,
you know,
613
00:34:56,445 --> 00:34:59,444
you can get tested the next day
or the day after that.
614
00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:02,245
We weren't 100% sure we were going
to test negative.
615
00:35:04,325 --> 00:35:07,125
So that's when
we did a blood transfusion.
616
00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:13,284
Who was organising all of that?
617
00:35:13,285 --> 00:35:18,124
Lance and Johan Bruyneel,
and the doctor, Del Moral,
618
00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:23,564
had told me a couple of days before
we made a trip down to Spain.
619
00:35:23,565 --> 00:35:27,444
You know, my first time doing it.
620
00:35:27,445 --> 00:35:31,244
And it seemed kind of,
sort of caveman-like.
621
00:35:31,245 --> 00:35:33,564
You know, taking out your own blood,
622
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:35,965
not seeing it
for three or four weeks.
623
00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:43,564
Weather conditions out here really
have been atrocious.
624
00:35:43,565 --> 00:35:46,124
It's only around about six or seven
degrees Celsius...
625
00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:50,804
The night before our first rest day,
we were in this small hotel,
626
00:35:50,805 --> 00:35:55,324
just south of Mont Ventoux,
which is a famous climb in France.
627
00:35:55,325 --> 00:35:57,884
20 minutes before
it actually happened,
628
00:35:57,885 --> 00:36:00,524
they told me, "We're doing
the transfusion."
629
00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:03,485
Re-infuse the blood, tonight.
630
00:36:08,445 --> 00:36:11,564
I arrived in my room
and it was pretty wild.
631
00:36:11,565 --> 00:36:14,604
The staff had sort of prepared
everything, the doctors.
632
00:36:14,605 --> 00:36:18,044
There was a blood bag taped up
on the wall.
633
00:36:18,045 --> 00:36:20,124
You know,
a red tube coming down,
634
00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:22,924
a tube filled with blood
coming down.
635
00:36:22,925 --> 00:36:27,564
Basically, they, you know,
injected me here.
636
00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:30,004
I have pretty small veins,
637
00:36:30,005 --> 00:36:33,124
so the one place that always
worked was right there.
638
00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:36,484
And it's, you can see
the scars today...
639
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:39,004
It was a big needle.
It's a serious needle.
640
00:36:39,005 --> 00:36:41,245
You don't mess around
with those things.
641
00:36:42,445 --> 00:36:45,484
Halfway through it,
I'm like, almost shivering,
642
00:36:45,485 --> 00:36:48,924
because, you know, these bags have
been, you know, in a refrigerator.
643
00:36:48,925 --> 00:36:51,564
So they're almost like, you know,
just taking icy cold water,
644
00:36:51,565 --> 00:36:54,525
nearly a gallon of it,
and pouring it down your throat.
645
00:36:56,725 --> 00:36:59,084
I never did, you know,
blood transfusions,
646
00:36:59,085 --> 00:37:01,444
growth hormone, whatever.
647
00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:05,004
I wasn't willing to get
into a full doping programme.
648
00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:08,764
Betsy was upset, so that was
definitely on my mind.
649
00:37:08,765 --> 00:37:11,485
A little bit of being scared
of getting caught.
650
00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:14,924
Here is the Devil,
651
00:37:14,925 --> 00:37:17,884
probably wishing some luck to
the US Postal riders today...
652
00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:21,604
I think we were all pretty nervous,
but almost giddy about it.
653
00:37:21,605 --> 00:37:26,284
We're in the heart of France doing
this completely illegal procedure.
654
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:28,924
US Postal were pace-making
by Frankie Andreu,
655
00:37:28,925 --> 00:37:30,564
but he paid the price.
656
00:37:32,065 --> 00:37:34,184
I remember, the third week
I was dead.
657
00:37:34,185 --> 00:37:37,784
I mean, barely able to get through
it, and just, you know,
658
00:37:37,985 --> 00:37:39,804
it's not an option to quit. That's
the only reason I got through it,
659
00:37:40,005 --> 00:37:43,964
but I was getting dropped and in
the back, and I was suffering a lot.
660
00:37:44,565 --> 00:37:48,244
I think he'll just about get in
but he's aiming at the time
661
00:37:48,245 --> 00:37:52,044
of 15.27. We're watching probably
the second-fastest time trial
662
00:37:52,545 --> 00:37:54,064
in the history of the
Tour de France...
663
00:37:54,065 --> 00:37:55,284
I had done a lot to help
Lance Armstrong,
664
00:37:55,585 --> 00:37:57,224
I had done a lot to help the team,
665
00:37:57,425 --> 00:38:00,384
and I just wanted to race one more year,
but they had different thoughts.
666
00:38:00,385 --> 00:38:02,984
Armstrong rocks and rolls his way
home here now.
667
00:38:02,985 --> 00:38:07,664
His time is 15.01,
he wins the time trial.
668
00:38:07,665 --> 00:38:10,024
Fantastic. I will definitely
come back.
669
00:38:10,025 --> 00:38:11,944
I will definitely be back
next year.
670
00:38:11,945 --> 00:38:14,744
I don't know how many more years,
but definitely be back next year.
671
00:38:14,745 --> 00:38:17,384
He finished 111th,
but on Lance's team,
672
00:38:17,385 --> 00:38:22,185
it doesn't pay to finish 111th
when you're at the Tour.
673
00:38:24,305 --> 00:38:27,104
I would say, Johan, thanks for giving
us the vision,
674
00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:30,225
but we already had the vision, so...
675
00:38:34,185 --> 00:38:37,704
Here we are at this Tour de France
party with hundreds of people
676
00:38:37,705 --> 00:38:41,344
and everybody is celebrating
the cancer survivor's
677
00:38:41,345 --> 00:38:45,104
incredible win at the most gruelling
sporting event in the world.
678
00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:47,504
What wasn't there to celebrate?
679
00:38:47,505 --> 00:38:52,065
It was a fraud.
680
00:39:02,505 --> 00:39:06,344
Stephanie McIlvain wasn't invited
to the Tour De France party,
681
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:08,184
which we found very peculiar
682
00:39:08,185 --> 00:39:11,024
given that she was Lance's
personal liaison,
683
00:39:11,025 --> 00:39:16,065
so she went as our guest and we
clicked and a friendship was born.
684
00:39:16,945 --> 00:39:21,664
Stephanie had been there with us
visiting Lance in Indiana,
685
00:39:21,665 --> 00:39:24,304
and the hospital incident came up,
686
00:39:24,305 --> 00:39:28,104
and Stephanie
and I were marvelling at how
687
00:39:28,105 --> 00:39:32,544
Lance was snowballing
the American media,
688
00:39:32,545 --> 00:39:35,865
because they were just
buying into this fairy tale.
689
00:39:40,865 --> 00:39:43,904
It seemed like it worked,
seemed like it worked.
690
00:39:43,905 --> 00:39:47,464
Now, looking back,
"Oh, my God, what was I doing?"
691
00:39:47,465 --> 00:39:51,864
But you're so deep into it, you
know, you don't even have time
692
00:39:51,865 --> 00:39:55,864
to take a half step back
and look at the big picture.
693
00:39:55,865 --> 00:39:57,544
I think if we all stepped back
694
00:39:57,545 --> 00:40:01,184
and looked at the great franchises
that have been built...
695
00:40:01,185 --> 00:40:03,744
I'm glad we didn't get caught.
696
00:40:03,745 --> 00:40:05,424
I would have been...
697
00:40:05,425 --> 00:40:07,785
We all would have been.
698
00:40:16,345 --> 00:40:17,784
It became very divided.
699
00:40:17,785 --> 00:40:20,224
You were on Lance's side
or you were on my side.
700
00:40:20,225 --> 00:40:22,784
And ultimately, you know,
he had control of who was hired,
701
00:40:22,785 --> 00:40:24,025
fired, and whichever.
702
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,704
Frankie was a good guy.
703
00:40:29,705 --> 00:40:31,264
To have your career end
704
00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:34,224
because you wouldn't get
on Lance's doping programme?
705
00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:36,384
It's just, it's not right.
706
00:40:36,385 --> 00:40:41,024
Please welcome 1999's ESPY comeback
athlete of the year...
707
00:40:41,025 --> 00:40:44,064
We're all in this together,
it's going to touch all our lives.
708
00:40:44,065 --> 00:40:47,184
We will win this fight one day.
709
00:40:47,185 --> 00:40:50,024
Lance called me one day
710
00:40:50,025 --> 00:40:52,784
and said, "We're putting together
this foundation.
711
00:40:52,785 --> 00:40:55,585
We're going to focus
on testicular cancer."
712
00:40:58,185 --> 00:41:02,225
Tour de France, baby.
Lance Armstrong. Maillot jaune.
713
00:41:04,625 --> 00:41:09,984
Thank you, Lance, thank you!
I love you!
714
00:41:09,985 --> 00:41:13,304
People believed in Lance.
They believed in his story,
715
00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:15,024
they believed in his hope.
716
00:41:15,025 --> 00:41:16,584
We're all going to leave, I think,
717
00:41:16,585 --> 00:41:19,104
with a different perspective
on this illness,
718
00:41:19,105 --> 00:41:22,304
and a different perspective on this
movement called survivorship.
719
00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:24,464
I tip my hat to Lance Armstrong
720
00:41:24,465 --> 00:41:26,345
and to the whole US Postal Team.
721
00:41:30,825 --> 00:41:34,824
The success of the foundation began
to grow and succeed,
722
00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:39,024
literally in tandem
with Lance's success.
723
00:41:39,025 --> 00:41:41,184
Tour after Tour after Tour.
724
00:41:41,185 --> 00:41:44,424
$15,000. Can we go 20?
725
00:41:44,425 --> 00:41:45,825
Sold, $30,000.
726
00:41:47,785 --> 00:41:52,344
They approached me about exploring
the possibility of coming down
727
00:41:52,345 --> 00:41:54,344
and running the foundation.
728
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:55,904
Sold, $56,000.
729
00:41:55,905 --> 00:41:59,184
My motivation,
my primary motivation,
730
00:41:59,185 --> 00:42:01,344
in taking that position,
731
00:42:01,345 --> 00:42:04,144
was the fact that I had,
732
00:42:04,145 --> 00:42:05,944
um...
733
00:42:05,945 --> 00:42:09,184
a very personal experience.
734
00:42:09,185 --> 00:42:12,144
I had been diagnosed with cancer.
735
00:42:12,145 --> 00:42:15,464
We believe in life, your life.
736
00:42:15,465 --> 00:42:18,824
Greg LeMond was my friend,
and I called him.
737
00:42:18,825 --> 00:42:20,384
And I begged him.
738
00:42:20,385 --> 00:42:23,144
I said, "Steve, you won't make it."
739
00:42:23,145 --> 00:42:27,664
I said, "You are way too ethical.
I'm just telling you, don't do it."
740
00:42:27,665 --> 00:42:31,305
But I needed to talk to Lance.
741
00:42:32,305 --> 00:42:36,344
We met at a bar and I said,
742
00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:39,464
"Is there ANYTHING that might happen
743
00:42:39,465 --> 00:42:43,304
that would negatively impact
744
00:42:43,305 --> 00:42:47,344
the work of the foundation
and me professionally?"
745
00:42:47,345 --> 00:42:50,785
And he put his beer down
and looked me in the eye...
746
00:42:52,545 --> 00:42:55,704
...and said, "Steve, you have NOTHING
to worry about.
747
00:42:55,705 --> 00:42:57,464
We're going to have a good
ride on this.
748
00:42:57,465 --> 00:42:59,025
This is going to be great."
749
00:43:01,225 --> 00:43:03,024
And there is Armstrong.
750
00:43:03,025 --> 00:43:05,984
He's not looking good, he's all over
his machine right now.
751
00:43:05,985 --> 00:43:09,064
He doesn't look good, Phil. He should
not be riding so far down the group.
752
00:43:09,065 --> 00:43:11,984
He's obviously having
a very hard day.
753
00:43:11,985 --> 00:43:14,704
This is where you have to race alone
and Armstrong's gone.
754
00:43:14,705 --> 00:43:16,064
A big move by Lance, this
755
00:43:16,065 --> 00:43:18,824
and no reply coming at all
from Jan Ullrich.
756
00:43:18,825 --> 00:43:21,024
Ullrich has got
no answer to this.
757
00:43:21,025 --> 00:43:23,464
He's fooled everybody
in the Tour de France.
758
00:43:23,465 --> 00:43:25,744
I never expected
Armstrong to do this.
759
00:43:25,745 --> 00:43:29,064
He has ripped the field apart
and he is climbing now to the...
760
00:43:29,065 --> 00:43:31,624
...and he was riding to win the Tour
de France.
761
00:43:31,625 --> 00:43:33,664
Now are we seeing the foundations
762
00:43:33,665 --> 00:43:37,344
of the man who will win the Tour
for the third time in Paris?
763
00:43:37,345 --> 00:43:40,305
"Yes, that's the one I wanted
and I've got it."
764
00:43:42,185 --> 00:43:44,584
I had been convinced for some time
765
00:43:44,585 --> 00:43:46,944
that Armstrong worked
with Michele Ferrari.
766
00:43:50,625 --> 00:43:53,024
I got the Italian police
to help me.
767
00:43:53,025 --> 00:43:55,384
They got me evidence that Lance,
768
00:43:55,385 --> 00:43:59,464
in the space of two years, spent 13
days in the town of Ferrara
769
00:43:59,465 --> 00:44:01,824
and the only reason,
if you were Lance Armstrong,
770
00:44:01,825 --> 00:44:04,905
for being in Ferrara, was to see
this doping doctor.
771
00:44:12,465 --> 00:44:16,064
He had to do a press conference
on the rest day in Pau.
772
00:44:16,065 --> 00:44:17,424
I think this is a clean tour.
773
00:44:17,425 --> 00:44:20,384
And in that press conference,
16 questions go,
774
00:44:20,385 --> 00:44:22,744
no questions about doping
and then bang,
775
00:44:22,745 --> 00:44:24,584
first question is asked
776
00:44:24,585 --> 00:44:26,904
and the doping questions
then come like a,
777
00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:28,544
like in an avalanche.
778
00:44:28,545 --> 00:44:31,424
And as soon as the question
turned to doping,
779
00:44:31,425 --> 00:44:33,664
Lance did something quite strange.
780
00:44:33,665 --> 00:44:35,024
I believe he's an honest man,
781
00:44:35,025 --> 00:44:37,744
I believe he's a fair man
and I believe he's an innocent man.
782
00:44:37,745 --> 00:44:40,824
He started fixing his gaze on me.
783
00:44:40,825 --> 00:44:44,504
And even though it was some journalist
over here who asked the question,
784
00:44:44,505 --> 00:44:46,584
Lance would refer to me
in his answer.
785
00:44:46,585 --> 00:44:50,224
I've never denied the relationship.
Even to you.
786
00:44:50,225 --> 00:44:52,065
Um...
787
00:44:53,745 --> 00:44:55,304
People are not stupid.
788
00:44:55,305 --> 00:44:59,384
They say, "Has Lance Armstrong
ever tested positive?" No.
789
00:44:59,385 --> 00:45:01,824
"Has Lance Armstrong been tested?"
A lot.
790
00:45:01,825 --> 00:45:05,064
But I found that
just wholly unconvincing.
791
00:45:07,505 --> 00:45:10,304
Two weeks later,
David Walsh called up
792
00:45:10,305 --> 00:45:12,584
and I'm like, "God, I,
I don't know what to say."
793
00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:15,464
So I chose my words
as well as I could
794
00:45:15,465 --> 00:45:18,904
and I just said, "I'm disappointed
he's seeing Ferrari."
795
00:45:18,905 --> 00:45:21,224
And then David posed
the question, now,
796
00:45:21,225 --> 00:45:24,504
"If he's clean, would you consider
this the greatest comeback
797
00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:27,384
in the history of sport?"
And I said, "Absolutely."
798
00:45:27,385 --> 00:45:30,264
And he said, "but what if he isn't?"
799
00:45:30,265 --> 00:45:32,825
I said, "Then it would be
the greatest fraud."
800
00:45:35,945 --> 00:45:38,144
After that comment came out,
801
00:45:38,145 --> 00:45:40,784
our whole lives changed in an hour
802
00:45:40,785 --> 00:45:43,025
after that was published.
803
00:45:44,385 --> 00:45:46,144
We went out to dinner
804
00:45:46,145 --> 00:45:49,264
and Lance, he said,
"Fucking LeMond.
805
00:45:49,265 --> 00:45:50,344
His comments about Ferrari,
806
00:45:50,345 --> 00:45:53,024
and how he's disappointed
that I'm working with Ferrari."
807
00:45:53,025 --> 00:45:56,064
Lance flipped. You know, and at that
dinner it was vent session.
808
00:45:56,065 --> 00:45:58,464
"Who does Greg think he is?
I'm going to destroy him",
809
00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:00,024
all this kind of stuff.
810
00:46:00,025 --> 00:46:03,144
And I said, "Yeah,
but I thought Ferrari's a BAD guy."
811
00:46:03,145 --> 00:46:05,425
And he just looked at me
and he glared.
812
00:46:07,785 --> 00:46:11,065
And he said,
"I'm going to fuck him over."
813
00:46:18,705 --> 00:46:21,184
Lance returned to the US.
814
00:46:21,185 --> 00:46:24,264
He was scheduled to throw
815
00:46:24,265 --> 00:46:27,584
the opening game baseball
at Yankee Stadium.
816
00:46:27,585 --> 00:46:31,144
And he was sitting in his hotel room
at the Four Seasons.
817
00:46:31,145 --> 00:46:32,665
He calls Greg LeMond.
818
00:46:36,385 --> 00:46:38,144
We were at bag claim,
819
00:46:38,145 --> 00:46:41,344
Minneapolis airport,
I had pulled up outside...
820
00:46:41,345 --> 00:46:43,984
...and the phone rang
821
00:46:43,985 --> 00:46:46,024
and Greg says, "It's Lance."
822
00:46:46,025 --> 00:46:47,464
He said, "Oh, come on,
823
00:46:47,465 --> 00:46:49,944
your win in '89 was a miracle,
just like mine,
824
00:46:49,945 --> 00:46:52,145
in '99", I said, whoa...
825
00:46:53,385 --> 00:46:56,384
That's where you're wrong, buddy,
cos mine wasn't a miracle.
826
00:46:56,385 --> 00:46:59,264
I worked my ass off,
I barely won by eight seconds.
827
00:46:59,265 --> 00:47:01,904
- No miracle there.
- ...by eight seconds.
828
00:47:01,905 --> 00:47:05,704
He said to Greg, "You're telling me
YOU never did EPO?"
829
00:47:05,705 --> 00:47:08,944
Absolutely not. "Oh, come on -
everybody takes EPO."
830
00:47:08,945 --> 00:47:11,424
And he mentioned drugs that I
831
00:47:11,425 --> 00:47:15,904
never heard of.
Hemasist, er, Hemopure, PFC's.
832
00:47:15,905 --> 00:47:18,544
He listed probably ten drugs
I'd never heard of.
833
00:47:18,545 --> 00:47:21,264
"Is that what you think I'm on?"
I'm like, whoa, um...
834
00:47:21,265 --> 00:47:24,584
You know, he was VICIOUS.
835
00:47:24,585 --> 00:47:27,904
He said, "Well, if you want to throw
stones, I'll throw stones."
836
00:47:27,905 --> 00:47:31,704
And he said, "I'll get people, I'll get ten
people to say you took EPO."
837
00:47:31,705 --> 00:47:33,144
Holy shit.
838
00:47:33,145 --> 00:47:34,504
And Greg...
839
00:47:34,505 --> 00:47:38,664
just said, "I'm sorry, but if
anybody comes out saying I used EPO,
840
00:47:38,665 --> 00:47:40,824
I'm going to know it came from you
841
00:47:40,825 --> 00:47:42,184
and you paid 'em."
842
00:47:44,465 --> 00:47:47,384
Cos I know that Steve was working
at Lance Armstrong Foundation,
843
00:47:47,385 --> 00:47:50,224
I called him just to say, you know,
"This is what happened to me."
844
00:47:50,225 --> 00:47:52,144
This is Greg LeMond calling.
845
00:47:52,145 --> 00:47:53,944
He was clearly shaken.
846
00:47:53,945 --> 00:47:58,064
And he proceeds over the course
of 45 minutes to an hour
847
00:47:58,065 --> 00:48:01,584
telling me exactly what had just
transpired.
848
00:48:01,585 --> 00:48:03,824
Including the threat.
849
00:48:03,825 --> 00:48:06,664
The next day, I get
a call from Lance.
850
00:48:06,665 --> 00:48:10,104
And he proceeds to tell
851
00:48:10,105 --> 00:48:12,385
of his conversation with Greg.
852
00:48:13,825 --> 00:48:17,024
He was out of control,
he was clearly drunk.
853
00:48:17,025 --> 00:48:18,464
We've gotten reports back
854
00:48:18,465 --> 00:48:22,304
that, "Oh, yeah, Greg had
a drug and alcohol problem."
855
00:48:22,305 --> 00:48:25,544
I actually had a reporter
call and ask me one day,
856
00:48:25,545 --> 00:48:27,744
if Greg had a heroin problem.
857
00:48:27,745 --> 00:48:29,664
What was interesting
858
00:48:29,665 --> 00:48:34,984
is Lance's version was completely
different than Greg's version
859
00:48:34,985 --> 00:48:39,184
and it was certainly at that
moment in time I thought...
860
00:48:42,505 --> 00:48:44,585
I have been made a fool of.
861
00:48:53,785 --> 00:48:59,864
I packed my car and I drove
out of Texas
862
00:48:59,865 --> 00:49:02,064
and the next day I resigned.
863
00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:04,424
Absolutely, I had to learn
a lot about the illness
864
00:49:04,425 --> 00:49:06,784
and I had to learn
a lot about my options.
865
00:49:06,785 --> 00:49:09,624
Mm-hm. Did you ever consider
the option of giving up?
866
00:49:09,625 --> 00:49:10,984
Oh, no.
867
00:49:10,985 --> 00:49:14,064
That's great. That's great.
868
00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:16,144
Because it's not an option, is it?
869
00:49:16,145 --> 00:49:17,705
It's just not an option.
870
00:49:26,345 --> 00:49:28,344
Tyler Hamilton left the team,
871
00:49:28,345 --> 00:49:31,064
because Tyler was incredibly
ambitious
872
00:49:31,065 --> 00:49:34,024
and he was resentful
of Lance's profile.
873
00:49:34,025 --> 00:49:38,704
He was a... absolutely driven guy,
a bit like Lance,
874
00:49:38,705 --> 00:49:43,064
had to win and Tyler thought the
only way that I can win the Tour
875
00:49:43,065 --> 00:49:44,744
is to be in another team
876
00:49:44,745 --> 00:49:47,504
and when I go and leave this team
877
00:49:47,505 --> 00:49:49,704
I then am going to get a doping
programme
878
00:49:49,705 --> 00:49:53,544
- just as good, if not better than Lance's.
- One, two...
879
00:49:53,545 --> 00:49:56,984
There became more stresses,
you know, having to
880
00:49:56,985 --> 00:49:59,984
work with my own
special doctor there in Spain,
881
00:49:59,985 --> 00:50:01,944
having to organise those trips.
882
00:50:01,945 --> 00:50:04,744
It wasn't the team handling it.
883
00:50:04,745 --> 00:50:07,344
The easy part about the US Postal
Service cycling team
884
00:50:07,345 --> 00:50:11,224
for me in terms of doping was it
was all kind of taken care of,
885
00:50:11,225 --> 00:50:13,104
like, one-stop shopping.
886
00:50:13,105 --> 00:50:15,184
Stuart O'Grady has moved
too far back
887
00:50:15,185 --> 00:50:18,104
and there's been a mass pile-up
there, it was Tyler went down,
888
00:50:18,105 --> 00:50:20,744
and the peloton completely
crashing on the line.
889
00:50:20,745 --> 00:50:24,184
And if Tyler Hamilton left the team,
Lance needed
890
00:50:24,185 --> 00:50:27,584
a young American guy, preferably,
to take Tyler's place.
891
00:50:27,585 --> 00:50:29,584
Floyd was the obvious example.
892
00:50:29,585 --> 00:50:32,504
He was talented,
he was gritty, he was tough
893
00:50:32,505 --> 00:50:36,224
and he's saying to Johan,
I'll do whatever it takes.
894
00:50:36,225 --> 00:50:39,824
We have to make sure that we're not in
a situation like Pyrenees, for example.
895
00:50:39,825 --> 00:50:41,624
Floyd will remember that very well.
Floyd.
896
00:50:41,625 --> 00:50:45,024
Thanks for pointing that out, yes.
I won't forget that any time soon.
897
00:50:45,025 --> 00:50:47,424
You're 27 seconds faster than...
898
00:50:47,425 --> 00:50:49,984
...and 40 seconds faster than...
899
00:50:49,985 --> 00:50:52,984
Boys, come on, keep it together.
We're going to win it.
900
00:50:52,985 --> 00:50:56,064
There was a train here
and it was dripping with gravy.
901
00:50:56,065 --> 00:50:57,904
Here they are, a blue train.
902
00:50:57,905 --> 00:51:00,664
And these guys were desperate to mop
up as much as they could
903
00:51:00,665 --> 00:51:02,064
for themselves.
904
00:51:02,065 --> 00:51:04,024
Because the financial
rewards were huge.
905
00:51:04,025 --> 00:51:06,424
OK, OK, OK, OK!
906
00:51:06,425 --> 00:51:09,584
This is the best team in the world
right now.
907
00:51:09,585 --> 00:51:12,864
I saw what I deemed a huge fraud
908
00:51:12,865 --> 00:51:16,544
being played out on a world stage
909
00:51:16,545 --> 00:51:18,384
and there was no place,
910
00:51:18,385 --> 00:51:19,624
no place to turn.
911
00:51:22,105 --> 00:51:24,504
Journalists approached me
912
00:51:24,505 --> 00:51:27,144
and some of them had got questions
they'd e-mailed me across
913
00:51:27,145 --> 00:51:30,664
and stuff were very close
to what was going on.
914
00:51:30,665 --> 00:51:32,944
All the peloton
were on Armstrong's side.
915
00:51:32,945 --> 00:51:35,264
The sponsors are
on Armstrong's side.
916
00:51:35,265 --> 00:51:37,265
The UCI were on Armstrong's side.
917
00:51:38,545 --> 00:51:42,064
Everybody had a stake
in Lance being a success.
918
00:51:42,065 --> 00:51:45,024
And of course anybody who
accused him
919
00:51:45,025 --> 00:51:48,144
was deemed an enemy of the sport.
920
00:51:48,145 --> 00:51:50,104
London sports writer,
David Walsh
921
00:51:50,105 --> 00:51:53,504
accuses Armstrong of doping
in the book, LA Confidential.
922
00:51:53,505 --> 00:51:55,344
The book, published only in France,
923
00:51:55,345 --> 00:51:58,024
quotes Armstrong's former
massage therapist,
924
00:51:58,025 --> 00:52:00,864
who claims she covered up
injection marks with make up.
925
00:52:00,865 --> 00:52:03,984
I remember I was sweeping
my sitting room floor,
926
00:52:03,985 --> 00:52:05,744
Sky Sports is on.
927
00:52:05,745 --> 00:52:09,064
In the corner of my eye I can see
the ticker tape underneath it go,
928
00:52:09,065 --> 00:52:14,224
and it says, "Former Armstrong
masseuse, Emma O'Reilly...
929
00:52:14,225 --> 00:52:17,584
spills the beans", blah, blah,
blah. I'm thinking...
930
00:52:17,585 --> 00:52:21,744
I have to say my first thought was, I am
going to get David Walsh and wring his neck.
931
00:52:21,745 --> 00:52:23,584
I'll say one thing about the book
932
00:52:23,585 --> 00:52:26,664
and especially since
our esteemed author is here...
933
00:52:26,665 --> 00:52:30,904
In my view, I think extraordinary
accusations
934
00:52:30,905 --> 00:52:33,704
must be followed up
935
00:52:33,705 --> 00:52:35,864
with extraordinary proof.
936
00:52:35,865 --> 00:52:38,944
And they have not come up with
extraordinary proof.
937
00:52:38,945 --> 00:52:41,104
Why couldn't it just be proof,
938
00:52:41,105 --> 00:52:44,745
that allegations must
be followed up by proof?
939
00:52:46,145 --> 00:52:49,585
And what Lance was saying
is that, when you're an icon...
940
00:52:51,265 --> 00:52:54,264
...who sits as high
in the firmament as I do,
941
00:52:54,265 --> 00:52:58,224
you have to have extraordinary proof
to bring ME down.
942
00:52:58,225 --> 00:53:01,264
And it was true.
What he was saying was right.
943
00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:04,544
Different rules apply to the gods.
944
00:53:04,545 --> 00:53:05,865
And I am a god.
945
00:53:07,545 --> 00:53:09,944
Mr. Armstrong's legal team
946
00:53:09,945 --> 00:53:11,824
was very concerned
about the book
947
00:53:11,825 --> 00:53:14,544
and wanted to discredit David Walsh.
948
00:53:14,545 --> 00:53:17,864
They knew one of the sources
was likely Betsy Andreu
949
00:53:17,865 --> 00:53:20,424
and they wanted Betsy Andreu
and Frankie Andreu
950
00:53:20,425 --> 00:53:24,024
to distance themselves from the book
and say Mr. Walsh had it wrong.
951
00:53:24,025 --> 00:53:27,744
Lance told me that his two,
his two agents,
952
00:53:27,745 --> 00:53:30,624
Bill Stapleton and
Bart Knaggs wanted to talk with me.
953
00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:31,944
So I was like, OK.
954
00:53:31,945 --> 00:53:34,824
You know, I knew what was coming, I
knew what it was going to be about.
955
00:53:34,825 --> 00:53:37,344
He asked me, he said,
"Shall I tape the conversation?"
956
00:53:37,345 --> 00:53:39,985
I said, "Hell, yeah, because
they'll say it never happened."
957
00:53:42,945 --> 00:53:46,544
We met in the parking lot
of the Tour de France start
958
00:53:46,545 --> 00:53:49,544
after everybody had, you know,
all the riders had left and so,
959
00:53:49,545 --> 00:53:52,185
I put a tape recorder in my pocket
and I tape recorded everything.
960
00:54:02,745 --> 00:54:04,744
Cos I didn't trust
these guys, you know.
961
00:54:04,745 --> 00:54:06,784
Still don't trust them.
962
00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,264
They talked about how bad it would
be for the sport
963
00:54:09,265 --> 00:54:12,665
if Lance gets in trouble
and all this comes out.
964
00:54:17,945 --> 00:54:20,184
They wanted her to sign an affidavit
965
00:54:20,185 --> 00:54:24,425
saying she would never go against Lance Armstrong
for the rest of her life. Something crazy.
966
00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:43,984
You can imagine
when I brought that up to Betsy,
967
00:54:43,985 --> 00:54:46,264
"So, Bets, they want you to, er,
sign something
968
00:54:46,265 --> 00:54:49,104
"saying you'll never sue or go
against Lance Armstrong," and it was,
969
00:54:49,105 --> 00:54:50,704
it was just a bunch of cuss words.
970
00:54:50,705 --> 00:54:54,065
Yeah! Because I saw what they were
doing. It was ridiculous.
971
00:54:55,545 --> 00:54:58,184
OK, first of all Frankie
loses his job
972
00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:01,505
because he won't get
on a doping programme and now...
973
00:55:02,945 --> 00:55:07,504
...they are trying to get me
to sign something
974
00:55:07,505 --> 00:55:09,384
to support Lance?
975
00:55:09,385 --> 00:55:12,424
Whom I believe is cheating?
It's not going to happen.
976
00:55:12,425 --> 00:55:16,624
There's no argument who the
champion is of the Tour de France.
977
00:55:16,625 --> 00:55:18,664
And when I refused...
978
00:55:18,665 --> 00:55:21,104
It's been four times now,
how do you differentiate...
979
00:55:21,105 --> 00:55:23,264
It just was not good
for Frankie's career.
980
00:55:23,265 --> 00:55:25,024
Thank you, Lance. Thank you.
981
00:55:25,025 --> 00:55:27,944
The yellow jersey
is owned by only one man,
982
00:55:27,945 --> 00:55:30,744
as it has been for the last
eight days.
983
00:55:30,745 --> 00:55:34,944
Lance Armstrong benefited from SCA
and Bob Hammond paying
984
00:55:34,945 --> 00:55:37,304
an enormous
amount of prize money for him,
985
00:55:37,305 --> 00:55:41,584
winning races that Lance
Armstrong swore he won cleanly.
986
00:55:41,585 --> 00:55:44,304
...as he races the line
to the victory...
987
00:55:44,305 --> 00:55:47,984
Total amount to Lance if he won all
of the Tour de France races
988
00:55:47,985 --> 00:55:49,544
came close to almost $10 million.
989
00:55:49,545 --> 00:55:51,784
Lance, well done.
Back for more next year?
990
00:55:51,785 --> 00:55:53,944
Ha, ha. Probably.
991
00:55:53,945 --> 00:55:58,104
When somebody consistently
goes against the odds,
992
00:55:58,105 --> 00:56:00,024
the evidence is that perhaps
993
00:56:00,025 --> 00:56:02,064
the odds aren't
what you think they are
994
00:56:02,065 --> 00:56:04,824
and something else is present
995
00:56:04,825 --> 00:56:06,624
and quite often that's cheating.
996
00:56:08,225 --> 00:56:11,224
He is down the ramp for
the last time in his career.
997
00:56:11,225 --> 00:56:14,864
I've decided that the Tour de France
will be my last race
998
00:56:14,865 --> 00:56:16,184
as a professional cyclist.
999
00:56:16,185 --> 00:56:19,704
It is the picture
we will never see again.
1000
00:56:19,705 --> 00:56:23,104
A rider in yellow
we've come to know since 1999.
1001
00:56:23,105 --> 00:56:25,464
You won't believe what the
crowd are doing here.
1002
00:56:25,465 --> 00:56:28,104
They are leaping in every direction
1003
00:56:28,105 --> 00:56:31,424
as Lance Armstrong brings it to
an end as a winner.
1004
00:56:31,425 --> 00:56:33,584
History in the making,
he now retires
1005
00:56:33,585 --> 00:56:36,024
seven times a winner
of the Tour De France.
1006
00:56:36,025 --> 00:56:38,504
Lance Armstrong!
1007
00:56:38,505 --> 00:56:40,304
The last thing I'll say
for the people
1008
00:56:40,305 --> 00:56:41,824
that don't believe in cycling,
1009
00:56:41,825 --> 00:56:44,144
the cynics and the skeptics,
1010
00:56:44,145 --> 00:56:45,624
I'm sorry for you,
1011
00:56:45,625 --> 00:56:47,264
I'm sorry you can't dream big,
1012
00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:49,424
and I'm sorry you don't
believe in miracles,
1013
00:56:49,425 --> 00:56:50,824
but this is one hell of a race.
1014
00:56:50,825 --> 00:56:53,464
This is a great sporting event
and you should believe.
1015
00:56:53,465 --> 00:56:55,144
And, er...
1016
00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:58,344
Vive La Tour. For ever. Thank you.
1017
00:57:07,945 --> 00:57:10,824
Good morning, this begins
video tape number one,
1018
00:57:10,825 --> 00:57:14,264
in the arbitration matter
of Lance Armstrong et Al
1019
00:57:14,265 --> 00:57:17,544
versus SCA Promotions
Incorporated et Al.
1020
00:57:17,545 --> 00:57:21,184
Bob Hamman kind of basically felt
that he'd been duped,
1021
00:57:21,185 --> 00:57:25,024
he'd already paid Lance, I think four
and a half million at that time,
1022
00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,944
he baulked at paying the
last $5 million bonus.
1023
00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:30,464
Mr. Armstrong, my name
is Jeff Tillotson, I represent...
1024
00:57:30,465 --> 00:57:34,664
It became a law suit and over the
course of about a year and a half,
1025
00:57:34,665 --> 00:57:37,104
we took depositions,
which is sworn testimony,
1026
00:57:37,105 --> 00:57:39,184
we ploughed through records.
1027
00:57:42,345 --> 00:57:45,864
The day before the SCA deposition,
I received a phone call from him.
1028
00:57:45,865 --> 00:57:47,984
"Just calling to see
how you're doing."
1029
00:57:47,985 --> 00:57:50,544
I hadn't talked to the guy in like,
four years, you know
1030
00:57:50,545 --> 00:57:53,304
and saying, "Ah, you know
I heard this is,
1031
00:57:53,305 --> 00:57:55,424
Kathy LeMond said this,
that Betsy said this."
1032
00:57:55,425 --> 00:57:57,904
He was prying for information
and questions
1033
00:57:57,905 --> 00:58:01,184
and trying to say, "Hey, I'm here."
1034
00:58:01,185 --> 00:58:02,944
I'm right at your door.
1035
00:58:02,945 --> 00:58:05,264
And then he showed up
at the door step.
1036
00:58:05,265 --> 00:58:07,384
So when I showed up,
1037
00:58:07,385 --> 00:58:10,504
I saw Lance walking in the hallway
1038
00:58:10,505 --> 00:58:12,704
and I thought, "Oh, my gosh."
1039
00:58:12,705 --> 00:58:15,384
She was so nervous,
she was literally shaking,
1040
00:58:15,385 --> 00:58:17,544
because there she was,
to give a deposition
1041
00:58:17,545 --> 00:58:20,584
and Lance Armstrong
had flown from Austin,
1042
00:58:20,585 --> 00:58:23,864
on his private jet to watch her
testify about him
1043
00:58:23,865 --> 00:58:27,224
and she knew exactly what kind
of message he was trying to send.
1044
00:58:27,225 --> 00:58:31,064
There was a long table
in the conference room
1045
00:58:31,065 --> 00:58:35,104
and it was me and my lawyer
1046
00:58:35,105 --> 00:58:37,344
and Lance.
1047
00:58:37,345 --> 00:58:39,545
- I was furious.
- Why?
1048
00:58:40,985 --> 00:58:44,464
So I saw what Lance was doing,
how he was on his BlackBerry,
1049
00:58:44,465 --> 00:58:46,464
how he was on his computer.
1050
00:58:46,465 --> 00:58:48,185
Because...
1051
00:58:49,625 --> 00:58:51,744
It WASN'T a lie.
1052
00:58:51,745 --> 00:58:54,984
I'm not going to say somebody is
lying when they are not lying.
1053
00:58:54,985 --> 00:58:57,544
She was the first witness
who effectively said,
1054
00:58:57,545 --> 00:59:00,704
"I don't care what happens to me.
I'm going to tell the truth."
1055
00:59:00,705 --> 00:59:02,384
First, tell me where you were.
1056
00:59:02,385 --> 00:59:05,184
Michel's. It's a restaurant
in Villefranche.
1057
00:59:05,185 --> 00:59:07,384
I had never been in a
deposition before,
1058
00:59:07,385 --> 00:59:09,264
so when I didn't remember something,
1059
00:59:09,265 --> 00:59:12,544
a restaurant, I had leaned over
and I asked Lance.
1060
00:59:12,545 --> 00:59:15,744
- It is Villefranche, isn't it, Lance?
- Objection. Well...
1061
00:59:15,745 --> 00:59:18,304
"You can't do that, hold it,
hold it, you can't do that."
1062
00:59:18,305 --> 00:59:21,584
So it was, I was just answering
questions honestly.
1063
00:59:21,585 --> 00:59:24,584
I just would like you to recount
what took place
1064
00:59:24,585 --> 00:59:27,105
in the Indiana University
Hospital...
1065
00:59:28,545 --> 00:59:31,224
The doctor asked him
a couple of questions
1066
00:59:31,225 --> 00:59:33,825
and then came the question,
have you ever...
1067
00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:38,504
...taken any performance-enhancing
drugs?
1068
00:59:38,505 --> 00:59:42,384
And Lance said, yes. The doctor
said, "What were they?" And he said,
1069
00:59:42,385 --> 00:59:47,824
"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone,
steroids and testosterone."
1070
00:59:47,825 --> 00:59:50,304
Did any medical person ask you
1071
00:59:50,305 --> 00:59:52,504
while you were at the Indiana
University Hospital
1072
00:59:52,505 --> 00:59:53,984
whether you had ever used
1073
00:59:53,985 --> 00:59:57,584
- any sort of performance-enhancing drugs or substances?
- No.
1074
00:59:57,585 --> 01:00:00,464
Can you offer,
can you help explain to me
1075
01:00:00,465 --> 01:00:03,504
why Miss Andreu would make
that story up?
1076
01:00:03,505 --> 01:00:06,184
Well, she said in her deposition
she hates me.
1077
01:00:06,185 --> 01:00:10,384
I don't know how the doctor phrased the question,
but Lance's response was that he had taken EPO
1078
01:00:10,385 --> 01:00:12,185
and testosterone...
1079
01:00:13,265 --> 01:00:15,544
...and growth hormone
1080
01:00:15,545 --> 01:00:17,265
and cortisone.
1081
01:00:18,505 --> 01:00:21,425
Why would Mr. Andreu say the same
things, if you know?
1082
01:00:22,745 --> 01:00:24,824
Probably to support
his wife, which...
1083
01:00:24,825 --> 01:00:27,624
I don't know if you're
married or not, but... I am.
1084
01:00:27,625 --> 01:00:30,944
...sometimes is... required.
1085
01:00:30,945 --> 01:00:35,784
So your testimony that Mr. Andreu
was also lying when he said
1086
01:00:35,785 --> 01:00:39,105
- that he heard you say those things
regarding your prior use?
- 100%.
1087
01:00:44,905 --> 01:00:47,984
- But I feel for him.
- What do you mean by that?
1088
01:00:47,985 --> 01:00:50,185
I think he's trying
to back up his old lady.
1089
01:00:52,385 --> 01:00:54,504
Frankie Andreu was under
1090
01:00:54,505 --> 01:00:58,064
extremely difficult circumstances
at that particular point in time,
1091
01:00:58,065 --> 01:01:00,344
all of which was a result
of Lance Armstrong.
1092
01:01:00,345 --> 01:01:03,744
Did Mr. Armstrong ever tell you
during that time period
1093
01:01:03,745 --> 01:01:06,424
that he definitely
was not going to use EPO
1094
01:01:06,425 --> 01:01:08,584
and no-one else should use EPO?
1095
01:01:08,585 --> 01:01:10,104
No.
1096
01:01:10,105 --> 01:01:13,104
Did he indicate to you
that he was going to use EPO
1097
01:01:13,105 --> 01:01:14,825
- or consider using EPO?
- No.
1098
01:01:21,385 --> 01:01:25,344
He said openly and to the public
that Betsy was crazy.
1099
01:01:25,345 --> 01:01:29,224
They implied behind the scenes
that Betsy wasn't believable
1100
01:01:29,225 --> 01:01:32,544
and perhaps unstable.
Everything you can possibly think of
1101
01:01:32,545 --> 01:01:35,904
as a way to hurt someone,
they basically employed.
1102
01:01:35,905 --> 01:01:38,545
And what is it you told Frankie
after leaving the room?
1103
01:01:41,225 --> 01:01:42,825
I...
1104
01:01:55,025 --> 01:01:59,784
His modus operandi, which
was, "Don't attack the message."
1105
01:01:59,785 --> 01:02:01,344
"Attack the messenger."
1106
01:02:01,345 --> 01:02:04,144
So, if people don't know me,
people are going to say,
1107
01:02:04,145 --> 01:02:06,784
"Well, wait a minute,
who is this woman?
1108
01:02:06,785 --> 01:02:11,504
Her husband stopped racing early. If
he was so good, why did he do that?
1109
01:02:11,505 --> 01:02:16,264
If Lance is dirty, then why hasn't
the governing body caught him?
1110
01:02:16,265 --> 01:02:20,944
Why does USA Cycling back him?
Why do his sponsors back him?
1111
01:02:20,945 --> 01:02:24,264
Why does he keep getting
more and more money from him?
1112
01:02:24,265 --> 01:02:27,544
How come none of these doctors,
who allegedly heard
1113
01:02:27,545 --> 01:02:31,304
what happened in the hospital room,
how come they're remaining quiet?
1114
01:02:31,305 --> 01:02:35,224
How come nobody has backed her up
for that hospital room?
1115
01:02:35,225 --> 01:02:38,024
Look at his legions of fans.
1116
01:02:38,025 --> 01:02:40,704
He has a foundation fighting cancer.
1117
01:02:40,705 --> 01:02:44,744
What is this woman doing
beside raising her own kids?
1118
01:02:44,745 --> 01:02:46,784
His problem
was never with Frankie."
1119
01:02:46,785 --> 01:02:49,224
And after Mr. Armstrong
told the doctor
1120
01:02:49,225 --> 01:02:53,184
he was using certain performance
enhancing drugs, did your husband
1121
01:02:53,185 --> 01:02:56,384
ever tell you, "That's wrong,
he hasn't done those drugs?"
1122
01:02:56,385 --> 01:02:59,224
Not your husband, but Mr. Armstrong?
1123
01:02:59,225 --> 01:03:00,225
No.
1124
01:03:07,265 --> 01:03:09,344
How could it have taken place
1125
01:03:09,345 --> 01:03:12,104
when I've never taken
performance-enhancing drugs?
1126
01:03:12,105 --> 01:03:15,064
- How could that have happened?
- That's my point. It's not just simply
1127
01:03:15,065 --> 01:03:17,344
- you don't recall?
- How many times do I have to say it?
1128
01:03:17,345 --> 01:03:20,144
I'm just trying to make sure
your testimony is clear.
1129
01:03:20,145 --> 01:03:23,624
Well, if it can't be any clearer
than, "I've never taken drugs,"
1130
01:03:23,625 --> 01:03:26,024
then incidents like that
could never have happened.
1131
01:03:26,025 --> 01:03:27,385
OK. How clear is that?
1132
01:03:30,065 --> 01:03:34,104
These are things that are so
devious, if untrue, but so powerful
1133
01:03:34,105 --> 01:03:37,784
when you use with people
that makes you a compelling liar.
1134
01:03:37,785 --> 01:03:40,464
I'll give you an example.
Bad liar - Richard Nixon.
1135
01:03:40,465 --> 01:03:43,264
Sweaty, looks suspicious,
said goofy things
1136
01:03:43,265 --> 01:03:45,544
when people challenged him,
"I'm not a crook."
1137
01:03:45,545 --> 01:03:47,504
Great liar - Lance Armstrong.
1138
01:03:47,505 --> 01:03:51,544
"I never doped. I passed every test.
And anyone who challenges me,
1139
01:03:51,545 --> 01:03:54,584
I'm currently suing
and are proving they're lying."
1140
01:03:54,585 --> 01:03:55,744
That's a good liar.
1141
01:03:55,745 --> 01:03:58,584
Greg, who...
1142
01:03:58,585 --> 01:04:01,344
I know has serious drinking
and drug problems,
1143
01:04:01,345 --> 01:04:05,224
was clearly intoxicated,
yelling, screaming.
1144
01:04:05,225 --> 01:04:09,024
It started off as, you know, "Hey,
Greg, I thought we were friends."
1145
01:04:09,025 --> 01:04:11,504
"Friends?!
What do you mean friends?!"
1146
01:04:11,505 --> 01:04:15,424
He said, "Well, if you want to throw
stones... I can throw stones..."
1147
01:04:15,425 --> 01:04:19,464
He went after his reputation,
his livelihood
1148
01:04:19,465 --> 01:04:23,824
- and his way of life.
- Well... let me see...
1149
01:04:23,825 --> 01:04:27,744
being called potentially the biggest
fraud in the history of the sport...
1150
01:04:27,745 --> 01:04:29,624
That was a little bit upsetting.
1151
01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:32,824
He's set out to destroy me
every step of the way.
1152
01:04:32,825 --> 01:04:36,624
I lost, er, a company that did
$20 million in sales in the US.
1153
01:04:36,625 --> 01:04:37,984
Oh, he, you know, he said,
1154
01:04:37,985 --> 01:04:40,624
"The sport is full of crooks
and thieves and liars."
1155
01:04:40,625 --> 01:04:43,584
I've been at trade shows,
where dealers that said...
1156
01:04:43,585 --> 01:04:46,544
I would see and that I knew
and they wouldn't even...
1157
01:04:46,545 --> 01:04:48,304
They wouldn't even look at me.
1158
01:04:48,305 --> 01:04:49,704
He didn't like that either.
1159
01:04:49,705 --> 01:04:53,584
How could this be?
How could it be that my career
1160
01:04:53,585 --> 01:04:57,024
collide with this guy and then
he takes everything away from me?
1161
01:04:57,025 --> 01:05:00,184
We also wanted to believe...
1162
01:05:00,185 --> 01:05:01,665
...in Lance.
1163
01:05:04,545 --> 01:05:07,585
And it was hard to find
out that it wasn't...
1164
01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:14,264
I don't know why I'm crying, but it
was really hard to find out that...
1165
01:05:14,265 --> 01:05:16,264
this was going on.
1166
01:05:16,265 --> 01:05:19,184
It's been awful stressful.
1167
01:05:19,185 --> 01:05:23,424
If I'd known for a second,
I wouldn't have done it.
1168
01:05:23,425 --> 01:05:27,624
They were very, very mean and
very dismissive of Emma O'Reilly
1169
01:05:27,625 --> 01:05:30,544
as they were really almost of all the women
1170
01:05:30,545 --> 01:05:33,184
that testified against Mr. Armstrong.
1171
01:05:33,185 --> 01:05:36,664
Afraid that we were going
to out her as a...
1172
01:05:36,665 --> 01:05:39,784
All these things she said. As a
whore or whatever. I don't know.
1173
01:05:39,785 --> 01:05:42,904
- Primarily...
- You don't talk about people like that!
1174
01:05:42,905 --> 01:05:45,224
And also to...
By calling me those names,
1175
01:05:45,225 --> 01:05:47,384
calling me basically
an alcoholic prostitute,
1176
01:05:47,385 --> 01:05:49,384
it's just attacking me personally,
1177
01:05:49,385 --> 01:05:53,464
but it's not addressing the
points that I brought up.
1178
01:05:53,465 --> 01:05:57,104
You know, and that's probably
what upset me the most over it all.
1179
01:05:57,105 --> 01:05:59,984
Raise your right hand. Do you
solemnly state your testimony
1180
01:05:59,985 --> 01:06:03,024
- shall be the truth, whole truth
and nothing but the truth?
- I do.
1181
01:06:03,025 --> 01:06:06,264
We had been told
that Stephanie McIlvain
1182
01:06:06,265 --> 01:06:10,824
would testify that, yes, she heard
Mr. Armstrong admit to drug use,
1183
01:06:10,825 --> 01:06:13,184
so we went out to depose her
in California
1184
01:06:13,185 --> 01:06:15,704
at her place of business,
which was Oakley.
1185
01:06:15,705 --> 01:06:19,584
- What kind of things do you do?
- I take care of, er...
1186
01:06:19,585 --> 01:06:22,944
Well, I take care of Lance Armstrong
and cycling also.
1187
01:06:22,945 --> 01:06:25,744
She called us up
and she was in tears.
1188
01:06:25,745 --> 01:06:29,024
"Lance called me!
Lance is pissed!"
1189
01:06:29,025 --> 01:06:31,504
And I thought, "Oh, my God!"
1190
01:06:31,505 --> 01:06:33,784
I said, "You're going to lie,
Stephanie."
1191
01:06:33,785 --> 01:06:35,504
"You're going to lie
to keep your job."
1192
01:06:35,505 --> 01:06:37,424
Stephanie needed that job.
1193
01:06:37,425 --> 01:06:41,024
Her husband worked for Oakley.
HE needed the job.
1194
01:06:41,025 --> 01:06:44,064
She's got a young son
who's autistic.
1195
01:06:44,065 --> 01:06:46,464
They were in an extremely
difficult position.
1196
01:06:46,465 --> 01:06:48,264
Where you ever in a hospital room,
1197
01:06:48,265 --> 01:06:51,224
or other part of the hospital
with Mr. Armstrong,
1198
01:06:51,225 --> 01:06:55,184
- where he said anything about
performance-enhancing drugs?
- No.
1199
01:06:55,185 --> 01:06:59,944
Er, do you have any recollection
of any doctor in your presence
1200
01:06:59,945 --> 01:07:05,064
asking Mr. Armstrong, er,
if he used in the past
1201
01:07:05,065 --> 01:07:08,864
- any performance-enhancing drugs
or substances?
- No.
1202
01:07:08,865 --> 01:07:12,664
Betsy was going to be thrown under
the bus and I finally told her.
1203
01:07:12,665 --> 01:07:17,264
I said, "Betsy...
I recorded her and I have a tape."
1204
01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,945
I'm doing well.
1205
01:08:18,745 --> 01:08:20,305
I agree.
1206
01:08:22,945 --> 01:08:25,224
This recording was done
well before her deposition,
1207
01:08:25,225 --> 01:08:28,664
so all we could conclude from
that was someone got to her.
1208
01:08:28,665 --> 01:08:30,904
Because she clearly changed
her testimony.
1209
01:09:10,905 --> 01:09:14,704
Once I made that recording public
to the Lance Armstrong side,
1210
01:09:14,705 --> 01:09:17,264
saying, "I think you've
monkeyed with this witness,"
1211
01:09:17,265 --> 01:09:19,504
literally all hell broke loose.
1212
01:09:19,505 --> 01:09:23,464
I said, "You lied, didn't
you?" I just had this bad feeling.
1213
01:09:23,465 --> 01:09:25,544
"You lied, didn't you, Stephanie?"
1214
01:09:25,545 --> 01:09:27,984
"Pat was told,
if I make the company look bad,
1215
01:09:27,985 --> 01:09:31,144
that we'll both lose our jobs. We
can't afford to lose our jobs, Betsy.
1216
01:09:31,145 --> 01:09:33,144
We don't have college degrees.
1217
01:09:33,145 --> 01:09:35,825
Where are we going to go?
What are we going to do?"
1218
01:09:37,225 --> 01:09:39,944
She made her bed.
She made her decision.
1219
01:09:44,425 --> 01:09:46,905
That's a foul! Wow!
1220
01:10:26,425 --> 01:10:28,945
So, our relationship was over.
1221
01:10:31,145 --> 01:10:34,064
If you have a doping offence,
or you test positive,
1222
01:10:34,065 --> 01:10:37,264
it goes without saying that you're
fired, from all of your contracts,
1223
01:10:37,265 --> 01:10:39,584
not just the team, but there's...
1224
01:10:39,585 --> 01:10:44,264
numerous contracts that I have
that would all go away.
1225
01:10:44,265 --> 01:10:49,304
- Sponsorship agreements, for example?
- All of them! And...
1226
01:10:49,305 --> 01:10:52,824
The faith... of all the cancer
survivors around the world,
1227
01:10:52,825 --> 01:10:55,665
so everything I do off of the bike
would go away, too.
1228
01:10:57,745 --> 01:11:01,184
And don't think for a second
I don't understand that.
1229
01:11:01,185 --> 01:11:03,544
Either everyone who I had talked to,
1230
01:11:03,545 --> 01:11:06,104
and all the evidence I had gathered,
and all the scientists
1231
01:11:06,105 --> 01:11:10,824
and other people were liars,
which I found frankly impossible,
1232
01:11:10,825 --> 01:11:13,984
or Lance approached basically
a clinical sociopath.
1233
01:11:13,985 --> 01:11:16,584
Someone able to do wrong
without remorse,
1234
01:11:16,585 --> 01:11:19,704
er, or care as to who
they hurt in the process.
1235
01:11:19,705 --> 01:11:23,224
Er, the former was unpalatable.
The latter, er, was scary.
1236
01:11:23,225 --> 01:11:27,464
That we were litigating with someone
who would do anything to prevail.
1237
01:11:27,465 --> 01:11:28,985
It's not about money for me.
1238
01:11:30,625 --> 01:11:34,104
Everything. It's also about the
faith that people have put in me
1239
01:11:34,105 --> 01:11:37,344
over the years, so all of that
would be erased, so I don't need it
1240
01:11:37,345 --> 01:11:40,384
to say in a contract,
"You're fired if you test positive."
1241
01:11:40,385 --> 01:11:43,184
That's not as important
1242
01:11:43,185 --> 01:11:46,265
as losing the support of
hundreds of millions of people.
1243
01:11:47,705 --> 01:11:50,584
That's an easy question.
1244
01:11:50,585 --> 01:11:55,344
The SCA case was settled on really
what it said in the contract.
1245
01:11:55,345 --> 01:11:57,864
Lance has always followed
the rules of the Tour de France
1246
01:11:57,865 --> 01:11:59,504
and he's won seven times.
1247
01:11:59,505 --> 01:12:01,904
Every time he wins,
and he's a certified winner,
1248
01:12:01,905 --> 01:12:03,584
he's followed the rules
1249
01:12:03,585 --> 01:12:06,224
and Tailwind has had
an obligation to pay him.
1250
01:12:06,225 --> 01:12:10,464
After all, he was still officially
the Tour de France winner.
1251
01:12:10,465 --> 01:12:15,224
That was really the question and,
if SCA went forward with that case,
1252
01:12:15,225 --> 01:12:17,144
it would have been a big risk.
1253
01:12:17,145 --> 01:12:20,784
So they ended up paying
Armstrong $7 million
1254
01:12:20,785 --> 01:12:21,864
to settle it.
1255
01:12:24,305 --> 01:12:26,544
We just paid.
1256
01:12:26,545 --> 01:12:29,024
Lance slipped past the gates
1257
01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:31,264
and... said,
1258
01:12:31,265 --> 01:12:33,745
"Time to fold your tent, boys."
1259
01:12:35,825 --> 01:12:37,904
Floyd Landis used to ride alongside
1260
01:12:37,905 --> 01:12:41,144
Lance Armstrong on the
US Postal Service for three years.
1261
01:12:41,145 --> 01:12:45,424
They've split up in a little
bit of, er, disenchantment.
1262
01:12:45,425 --> 01:12:48,344
Well, Floyd Landis
has launched an attack.
1263
01:12:48,345 --> 01:12:53,144
He's trying to ride all of these men
off. Surely with eight minutes...
1264
01:12:56,145 --> 01:12:58,784
...he is one of the great riders
of this race once again.
1265
01:12:58,785 --> 01:13:03,504
This is one of the most incredible
performances I've seen. It's fine...
1266
01:13:03,505 --> 01:13:06,184
Is it nice to come out
of the shadows of Armstrong
1267
01:13:06,185 --> 01:13:08,224
in such a golden style?
1268
01:13:08,225 --> 01:13:10,424
Yeah! Again, I've said many times
1269
01:13:10,425 --> 01:13:13,904
I was one of the lucky ones
to be part of his seven wins.
1270
01:13:18,785 --> 01:13:22,544
Yet another doping scandal hits
the very top of the Tour de France.
1271
01:13:22,545 --> 01:13:24,264
Floyd, right here!
'Yes, the winner
1272
01:13:24,265 --> 01:13:27,264
of this year's prestigious
cycling race, Floyd Landis,
1273
01:13:27,265 --> 01:13:29,584
has tested positive
for testosterone.
1274
01:13:29,585 --> 01:13:32,744
It's the first time in the Tour de
France's history that a winner...
1275
01:13:32,745 --> 01:13:37,024
When I look back now, nobody
on that team was ever positive.
1276
01:13:37,025 --> 01:13:41,464
No positives. The moment they left,
every rider that was a competitor,
1277
01:13:41,465 --> 01:13:44,784
that Armstrong didn't like,
boom, they're positive.
1278
01:13:47,665 --> 01:13:49,944
Remember, it's not a race...
1279
01:13:49,945 --> 01:13:51,704
It's been an amazing year.
1280
01:13:51,705 --> 01:13:54,664
I stood up here last year
and everybody at their table
1281
01:13:54,665 --> 01:13:58,144
had little pieces of yellow
silicon sitting there.
1282
01:13:58,145 --> 01:14:00,984
And somewhere along the way,
50 million of them were sold.
1283
01:14:00,985 --> 01:14:03,944
Um...
1284
01:14:03,945 --> 01:14:05,264
Woo!
1285
01:14:05,265 --> 01:14:07,064
What showed up in your sample?
1286
01:14:07,065 --> 01:14:09,904
Nothing.
1287
01:14:09,905 --> 01:14:13,224
- Were you doping at the Tour de France?
- No.
1288
01:14:13,225 --> 01:14:17,864
I told Frankie, "I can't believe
nobody's ever asked you
1289
01:14:17,865 --> 01:14:21,744
whether or not you've ever done
anything or tried anything.
1290
01:14:21,745 --> 01:14:25,024
But if somebody does, I'm not
going to be one of the wives
1291
01:14:25,025 --> 01:14:27,784
who stand by you as you lie.
I'm not going to do it."
1292
01:14:27,785 --> 01:14:30,024
I raced for 12 years
as a professional.
1293
01:14:30,025 --> 01:14:32,624
I used EPO at a...
at a certain moment.
1294
01:14:32,625 --> 01:14:36,024
There are many people out there that
worry - whether they have cancer
1295
01:14:36,025 --> 01:14:38,744
in their families or not -
that cancer is going to get them.
1296
01:14:38,745 --> 01:14:41,104
It's the scariest disease there is.
1297
01:14:41,105 --> 01:14:43,584
- And we think we're making a difference.
- I agree.
1298
01:14:43,585 --> 01:14:47,904
One of my biggest accomplishments
was raising my son Lance.
1299
01:14:47,905 --> 01:14:51,505
I am so proud to be the mom
of Lance Armstrong.
1300
01:14:53,825 --> 01:14:58,184
We will lose more than 560,000
Americans to cancer this year.
1301
01:14:58,185 --> 01:15:02,224
Landis was stripped of his title and
banned from the sport for two years.
1302
01:15:02,225 --> 01:15:05,744
It's time for a government
that wages a war against cancer
1303
01:15:05,745 --> 01:15:08,744
as aggressive as the war
cancer wages against us.
1304
01:15:08,745 --> 01:15:12,624
We will beat this dreaded disease,
and we will win.
1305
01:15:15,025 --> 01:15:18,864
The longer it went on,
the more impressed I am that Lance
1306
01:15:18,865 --> 01:15:23,024
could maintain a story like that
that was nearly 100% fabricated.
1307
01:15:23,025 --> 01:15:27,224
And still live
such an obnoxious life.
1308
01:15:27,225 --> 01:15:29,224
And not even try to hide it.
1309
01:15:29,225 --> 01:15:32,585
I mean, I'm a guy
that he's never really even met...
1310
01:15:40,065 --> 01:15:44,464
Mr. President, you've been
a long-time friend of mine.
1311
01:15:44,465 --> 01:15:47,184
Thank you. Thank you for being
a friend and for allowing us
1312
01:15:47,185 --> 01:15:51,024
to be here to talk about
this critical, er, issue.
1313
01:15:51,025 --> 01:15:53,224
As some of you may or may not know,
1314
01:15:53,225 --> 01:15:56,784
I've decided
to race my bicycle again.
1315
01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,544
Um...
1316
01:15:58,545 --> 01:15:59,785
It...
1317
01:16:01,385 --> 01:16:04,304
Lance came back,
because he couldn't stay away.
1318
01:16:04,305 --> 01:16:08,144
Please welcome seven-time Tour de
France champion Lance Armstrong.
1319
01:16:09,905 --> 01:16:13,624
Why couldn't he stay away?
Because it's like
1320
01:16:13,625 --> 01:16:17,304
the oldest theme in Hollywood
that you've ever come across.
1321
01:16:17,305 --> 01:16:23,384
The jewel thief,
the bank robber, the assassin.
1322
01:16:23,385 --> 01:16:27,424
They do their jobs brilliantly.
They win every time.
1323
01:16:27,425 --> 01:16:29,344
They kill all the people
they should kill,
1324
01:16:29,345 --> 01:16:31,384
they get all the jewels
they should get,
1325
01:16:31,385 --> 01:16:33,664
they get all the money
from the bank they should get.
1326
01:16:33,665 --> 01:16:35,905
Somebody comes and says,
"One more job."
1327
01:16:40,065 --> 01:16:44,224
Just one more little turn
of the carousel.
1328
01:16:44,225 --> 01:16:47,544
And they can't resist.
1329
01:16:47,545 --> 01:16:53,104
Because that was them living
like they'd never lived before
1330
01:16:53,105 --> 01:16:54,825
or they will never live again.
1331
01:16:57,665 --> 01:17:00,504
I cannot guarantee a victory
this time, I'm not... What?
1332
01:17:00,505 --> 01:17:02,105
Please stop your whining.
1333
01:17:09,065 --> 01:17:11,104
I'd made several requests
to interview Lance,
1334
01:17:11,105 --> 01:17:12,464
especially when he announced
1335
01:17:12,465 --> 01:17:14,984
that he was going to be different
this time with the media,
1336
01:17:14,985 --> 01:17:16,784
that he was going to be open
and transparent
1337
01:17:16,785 --> 01:17:19,824
and there wasn't going to be any of
the stuff that had gone on before
1338
01:17:19,825 --> 01:17:22,184
where he had been very, very difficult.
1339
01:17:22,185 --> 01:17:24,664
And I baited him.
1340
01:17:24,665 --> 01:17:29,624
Lance, we've spoken recently
about the return of Ivan Basso
1341
01:17:29,625 --> 01:17:34,344
and Floyd Landis after
their suspensions.
1342
01:17:34,345 --> 01:17:38,784
What is it about these dopers
that you seem to admire so much?
1343
01:17:38,785 --> 01:17:40,464
Excuse me? What is your name again?
1344
01:17:40,465 --> 01:17:43,024
My name is Paul Kimmage,
I work for The Sunday Times.
1345
01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,944
I asked for an interview,
but I didn't get one.
1346
01:17:45,945 --> 01:17:49,104
Right, and just as a little preface,
I might just clear up one thing.
1347
01:17:49,105 --> 01:17:52,104
The reason you didn't get it, Paul,
I wanted to make sure that was you,
1348
01:17:52,105 --> 01:17:55,024
because I don't know
what you look like...
1349
01:17:55,025 --> 01:18:00,384
When I decided to come back for
what I think is a very noble reason,
1350
01:18:00,385 --> 01:18:06,104
you said, "Folks, the cancer has
been in remission for four years,
1351
01:18:06,105 --> 01:18:08,585
but our cancer has now returned."
1352
01:18:10,265 --> 01:18:12,584
Meaning me.
1353
01:18:12,585 --> 01:18:14,744
I am here to fight this disease.
1354
01:18:14,745 --> 01:18:16,824
I am here so that
I don't have to deal with it,
1355
01:18:16,825 --> 01:18:18,344
you don't have to deal with it,
1356
01:18:18,345 --> 01:18:21,584
none of us have to deal with it, my
children don't have to deal with it.
1357
01:18:21,585 --> 01:18:24,184
But yet you said
that I am the cancer.
1358
01:18:24,185 --> 01:18:26,184
So, I think it goes without saying,
1359
01:18:26,185 --> 01:18:29,464
no, we're not going to sit down
and do an interview.
1360
01:18:29,465 --> 01:18:31,784
And I don't think
anybody in this room
1361
01:18:31,785 --> 01:18:33,584
would sit down for that interview.
1362
01:18:33,585 --> 01:18:35,944
You are not worth the chair
that you're sitting on
1363
01:18:35,945 --> 01:18:37,424
with a statement like that.
1364
01:18:37,425 --> 01:18:40,825
With a disease that touches
everybody around the world.
1365
01:19:01,945 --> 01:19:04,024
Getting back to the
Tour Of California...
1366
01:19:09,625 --> 01:19:12,104
Armstrong,
shades of his seven victories
1367
01:19:12,105 --> 01:19:15,424
in the Tour de France, he's got
happy memories of the Pyrenees
1368
01:19:15,425 --> 01:19:17,944
and they're all coming back now.
1369
01:19:17,945 --> 01:19:22,024
When Floyd has lost all his money,
fighting his ban,
1370
01:19:22,025 --> 01:19:24,384
and he calls up Johan Bruyneel
and says,
1371
01:19:24,385 --> 01:19:27,224
"Look, will you get me on your team?
I need a place."
1372
01:19:27,225 --> 01:19:31,384
And Lance and Bruyneel,
both kindred spirits
1373
01:19:31,385 --> 01:19:35,104
in terms of having
no emotional intelligence,
1374
01:19:35,105 --> 01:19:37,744
decide they don't want to
have anything to do with Floyd -
1375
01:19:37,745 --> 01:19:40,184
he's just a loser, he got caught.
1376
01:19:40,185 --> 01:19:43,624
They don't realise that
they're... they're actually
1377
01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,664
handling a ticking bomb here.
1378
01:19:46,665 --> 01:19:50,744
Floyd has offered them the chance
to diffuse the bomb.
1379
01:19:50,745 --> 01:19:53,184
To just take out that little pin
or whatever,
1380
01:19:53,185 --> 01:19:56,425
give him a little, small job
in the team, everything is OK.
1381
01:19:58,025 --> 01:20:01,385
They tell him to get lost and
the bomb blows up in their faces.
1382
01:20:03,585 --> 01:20:05,384
And when he saw Armstrong,
1383
01:20:05,385 --> 01:20:08,984
who he knew from the first day
he'd entered the sport was doped,
1384
01:20:08,985 --> 01:20:11,384
who had shown Floyd how to dope
1385
01:20:11,385 --> 01:20:13,984
and all he sees is this
fucking shit everywhere,
1386
01:20:13,985 --> 01:20:16,744
"Hope rides again."
"The Great God."
1387
01:20:16,745 --> 01:20:19,384
"The Jesus of cycling
is coming back."
1388
01:20:19,385 --> 01:20:23,504
And all the spectators are
getting down on bended knee
1389
01:20:23,505 --> 01:20:27,384
and he's thinking, "This is not
right. This sticks in my throat."
1390
01:20:27,385 --> 01:20:29,425
"I fucking am going to
sort this out."
1391
01:20:31,185 --> 01:20:34,024
At least now I've confirmed
that there's nothing else to lose.
1392
01:20:34,025 --> 01:20:36,624
Nothing. There's nothing in it for me
in cycling.
1393
01:20:36,625 --> 01:20:38,144
There's no team for me. There's...
1394
01:20:38,145 --> 01:20:41,984
No matter what I do, it's going to
be worse and worse until I leave.
1395
01:20:41,985 --> 01:20:43,985
Eventually, the levee breaks.
1396
01:20:48,185 --> 01:20:51,504
Tonight, Landis and
others once close to Lance
1397
01:20:51,505 --> 01:20:54,944
go on camera for the first time
for our special report -
1398
01:20:54,945 --> 01:20:56,224
"Did Lance Cheat?"
1399
01:20:56,225 --> 01:20:57,984
At some point people have to tell
1400
01:20:57,985 --> 01:20:59,985
their kids that Santa Claus
isn't real.
1401
01:21:01,545 --> 01:21:03,345
I hate to be the guy to do it,
but...
1402
01:21:04,705 --> 01:21:06,464
...it's just not real.
1403
01:21:06,465 --> 01:21:08,225
You're saying Lance Armstrong
is a liar?
1404
01:21:09,505 --> 01:21:13,784
Yes, I suppose if that's
the question, yes.
1405
01:21:13,785 --> 01:21:16,064
We have somebody that's been
under oath several times
1406
01:21:16,065 --> 01:21:17,784
with a completely different version.
1407
01:21:17,785 --> 01:21:19,584
You have somebody
that has written a book
1408
01:21:19,585 --> 01:21:21,304
with a completely different version.
1409
01:21:21,305 --> 01:21:24,264
You have somebody that took
people's money for their defence,
1410
01:21:24,265 --> 01:21:27,344
some would say a million dollars,
with a completely different version.
1411
01:21:27,345 --> 01:21:31,264
He said he has nothing, he's got
no proof. It's his word versus ours.
1412
01:21:31,265 --> 01:21:34,344
We like our word, we like where
we stand, we like our credibility.
1413
01:21:34,345 --> 01:21:38,584
As Lance Armstrong prepares for his
final weekend at the Tour de France,
1414
01:21:38,585 --> 01:21:41,824
a federal investigation
into alleged doping by him
1415
01:21:41,825 --> 01:21:45,624
and his former team threatens
to tarnish his golden image.
1416
01:21:45,625 --> 01:21:48,784
The investigation was sparked
by allegations by former friend
1417
01:21:48,785 --> 01:21:51,424
and team-mate Floyd Landis.
1418
01:21:51,425 --> 01:21:56,104
At the end of July, I got a
phone call from Jeff Novitzky
1419
01:21:56,105 --> 01:21:58,864
and one of the first questions
I asked him was,
1420
01:21:58,865 --> 01:22:01,104
"What's taken you so
long to call me?"
1421
01:22:01,105 --> 01:22:03,024
It was scary, because that whole,
1422
01:22:03,025 --> 01:22:05,424
"This is Jeff Novitzky,
federal agent..."
1423
01:22:05,425 --> 01:22:07,864
It put the holy terror
of God in you.
1424
01:22:07,865 --> 01:22:11,744
Novitzky was able to bring
these guys into a room.
1425
01:22:11,745 --> 01:22:13,864
He would open up his coat and,
1426
01:22:13,865 --> 01:22:16,464
"Oh, sorry I didn't mean you
to see my gun..."
1427
01:22:16,465 --> 01:22:19,864
That's what they do. And then he
takes his sheriff's badge out,
1428
01:22:19,865 --> 01:22:23,064
drops it on the table, in case
you forget that he's a cop,
1429
01:22:23,065 --> 01:22:24,504
and then he says to you,
1430
01:22:24,505 --> 01:22:27,104
"You know, if you lie to us,
1431
01:22:27,105 --> 01:22:29,424
it'll be perjury.
1432
01:22:29,425 --> 01:22:31,824
And we will know you're lying
to us,
1433
01:22:31,825 --> 01:22:34,264
because of all we know
about this case.
1434
01:22:34,265 --> 01:22:38,145
And then we will go after you and
you'll end up doing prison time."
1435
01:22:41,505 --> 01:22:44,944
A subpoena means you come in.
There's no question.
1436
01:22:44,945 --> 01:22:48,424
You go in and you tell the truth
in front of the Grand Jury.
1437
01:22:48,425 --> 01:22:50,064
No lawyer by your side.
1438
01:22:50,065 --> 01:22:52,144
I probably told them
more stuff, more detail,
1439
01:22:52,145 --> 01:22:55,104
than what I had revealed
to anybody else before.
1440
01:22:55,105 --> 01:22:58,064
You know, the information kind
of started trickling out of me
1441
01:22:58,065 --> 01:23:01,744
and then, after 15 minutes or so,
it just poured out of me.
1442
01:23:01,745 --> 01:23:05,625
I don't think they were expecting
any kind of testimony like they got.
1443
01:23:08,585 --> 01:23:11,304
Lance Armstrong
didn't appreciate that.
1444
01:23:11,305 --> 01:23:13,864
A few months later, I was out
at dinner with some friends
1445
01:23:13,865 --> 01:23:20,024
and... he must have had eyes on me,
because he had people contact him
1446
01:23:20,025 --> 01:23:24,624
and let him know where I was,
and he, you know, approached me,
1447
01:23:24,625 --> 01:23:26,584
and tried to intimidate me.
1448
01:23:26,585 --> 01:23:29,304
He said he was going to
make my life a living hell -
1449
01:23:29,305 --> 01:23:32,025
both in the courtroom
and out of the courtroom.
1450
01:23:35,465 --> 01:23:38,264
Lance was really pissed
that Greg questioned why
1451
01:23:38,265 --> 01:23:40,024
he was working with Ferrari.
1452
01:23:40,025 --> 01:23:44,544
He helped call the shots.
Yes, he doped himself.
1453
01:23:44,545 --> 01:23:46,104
If he didn't win the Tour,
1454
01:23:46,105 --> 01:23:48,344
someone else that was doped
would have won the Tour.
1455
01:23:48,345 --> 01:23:51,224
I really felt happy at that moment,
because I thought,
1456
01:23:51,225 --> 01:23:53,424
that's it. There is no way back now
1457
01:23:53,425 --> 01:23:55,904
because Floyd had given
chapter and verse
1458
01:23:55,905 --> 01:23:59,864
and I thought the tide
was now irreversible.
1459
01:23:59,865 --> 01:24:03,744
Lance Armstrong handed me
some testosterone patches.
1460
01:24:03,745 --> 01:24:06,104
It's just a little patch
that you put on your skin.
1461
01:24:06,105 --> 01:24:10,344
They can't say that. Nobody is
that conniving.
1462
01:24:10,345 --> 01:24:12,104
Nobody is that good,
1463
01:24:12,105 --> 01:24:15,865
to try and get away with something
for 17, 18, 19 years, no way.
1464
01:24:17,585 --> 01:24:19,064
No.
1465
01:24:19,065 --> 01:24:22,624
If you think he was facing jail,
1466
01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:24,545
he had to have been scared to death.
1467
01:24:25,825 --> 01:24:29,824
He called every single famous,
1468
01:24:29,825 --> 01:24:31,864
political favour
1469
01:24:31,865 --> 01:24:34,744
he could possibly pull in.
1470
01:24:34,745 --> 01:24:37,504
I had just woken up,
I'd switched on my phone.
1471
01:24:37,505 --> 01:24:42,864
My brother had direct messaged
me on Twitter and saying,
1472
01:24:42,865 --> 01:24:46,065
"WTF, the Feds' case
has been dropped."
1473
01:24:51,825 --> 01:24:55,464
When you want to give news that
you don't want anybody to notice,
1474
01:24:55,465 --> 01:24:58,104
you put it out at a time
when everybody is distracted
1475
01:24:58,105 --> 01:24:59,584
by somebody else.
1476
01:24:59,585 --> 01:25:02,704
This news was dropped late
on a Friday afternoon
1477
01:25:02,705 --> 01:25:06,345
on Super Bowl weekend,
when America goes into party mode.
1478
01:25:08,465 --> 01:25:11,904
And Lance Armstrong,
for one weekend,
1479
01:25:11,905 --> 01:25:14,025
ceases to be relevant.
1480
01:25:24,465 --> 01:25:26,504
Obama was running for re-election
1481
01:25:26,505 --> 01:25:30,904
and it wouldn't have looked good
to go after the American hero
1482
01:25:30,905 --> 01:25:34,704
who still had a lot of supporters.
1483
01:25:34,705 --> 01:25:36,784
More Americans entered
the workforce...
1484
01:25:36,785 --> 01:25:39,864
It goes to show you the power
that Armstrong has.
1485
01:25:39,865 --> 01:25:42,544
He got a federal investigation
shut down,
1486
01:25:42,545 --> 01:25:45,104
despite having all that
information out there
1487
01:25:45,105 --> 01:25:46,905
and all that evidence out there.
1488
01:25:49,745 --> 01:25:53,264
I was not proud to be an American at the
time.
1489
01:25:53,265 --> 01:25:57,064
I was so disappointed in
the whole system, you know.
1490
01:25:57,065 --> 01:26:00,624
That, you know, this corruption
can happen and, you know,
1491
01:26:00,625 --> 01:26:02,625
favours can be granted.
1492
01:26:10,345 --> 01:26:12,744
Travis Tygart picks up the baton.
1493
01:26:12,745 --> 01:26:15,224
He says, "I'm going to
ask all these cyclists
1494
01:26:15,225 --> 01:26:17,344
to come and be interviewed by me."
1495
01:26:17,345 --> 01:26:19,704
This was not just Lance Armstrong
1496
01:26:19,705 --> 01:26:22,224
getting away with doping
for a few years.
1497
01:26:22,225 --> 01:26:26,624
This was something by far bigger
and greater than just that -
1498
01:26:26,625 --> 01:26:29,184
they took it to an entirely
different level
1499
01:26:29,185 --> 01:26:33,344
and no other team, right,
won seven Tour de Frances.
1500
01:26:33,345 --> 01:26:35,344
And all the glory
and all the profits
1501
01:26:35,345 --> 01:26:38,904
and all the sponsorships
that went along with that.
1502
01:26:38,905 --> 01:26:42,144
He was the boss.
The evidence is clear.
1503
01:26:42,145 --> 01:26:46,224
He was one of the ring leaders
of this conspiracy
1504
01:26:46,225 --> 01:26:48,184
that pulled off this grand heist,
1505
01:26:48,185 --> 01:26:51,304
using tens of millions
of taxpayer dollars,
1506
01:26:51,305 --> 01:26:55,145
that defrauded millions of sports
fans and his fellow competitors.
1507
01:26:57,585 --> 01:27:00,464
Lance immediately went on the
attack, immediately sued them in his
1508
01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,304
home court and immediately
started saying,
1509
01:27:02,305 --> 01:27:04,904
"You saw it as a terrible, bad,
kangaroo court organisation."
1510
01:27:04,905 --> 01:27:06,864
I thought, "Here we go again.
1511
01:27:06,865 --> 01:27:10,624
He's going to bloody them up.
He's going to walk away from this."
1512
01:27:10,625 --> 01:27:14,224
Good morning, everybody,
welcome to the Team RadioShack bus...
1513
01:27:14,225 --> 01:27:15,704
Almost at every turn,
1514
01:27:15,705 --> 01:27:18,744
the lobbyists for Armstrong and
his criminal defence attorney
1515
01:27:18,745 --> 01:27:21,584
and others wanted to bankrupt us
and take us down.
1516
01:27:21,585 --> 01:27:24,344
- The boss.
- How are you? Good morning.
1517
01:27:24,345 --> 01:27:28,904
Whether it was claiming to the
world media we had not authority or
1518
01:27:28,905 --> 01:27:33,784
we were on witch hunts or the
jurisdiction didn't rest with us,
1519
01:27:33,785 --> 01:27:35,744
there were numerous efforts by them
1520
01:27:35,745 --> 01:27:38,344
to ensure this
information never got out.
1521
01:27:38,345 --> 01:27:41,304
Your investigations showed
that there were personal threats
1522
01:27:41,305 --> 01:27:45,424
made against riders who had
decided to come clean.
1523
01:27:45,425 --> 01:27:49,144
- I wonder if there were any threats against you?
- There were, Scott.
1524
01:27:49,145 --> 01:27:55,504
These threats came from where? / E-mails, letters.
Anonymous? / Yeah.
1525
01:27:55,505 --> 01:27:59,385
Can you remember any of the lines
from the e-mails or the letters?
1526
01:28:03,225 --> 01:28:07,384
The worst was probably
putting a bullet in my head.
1527
01:28:07,385 --> 01:28:09,625
- Did you take that seriously?
- Absolutely.
1528
01:28:12,025 --> 01:28:15,705
Turned it over to the FBI to
investigate it. Which they're doing.
1529
01:28:19,665 --> 01:28:23,744
A new report from the US
Anti-Doping Agency reveals...
1530
01:28:23,745 --> 01:28:25,624
Just months after
federal prosecutors
1531
01:28:25,625 --> 01:28:29,024
dropped their investigation,
the US Anti-Doping Agency says
1532
01:28:29,025 --> 01:28:31,304
they now have proof that
the seven-time winner
1533
01:28:31,305 --> 01:28:32,664
of the Tour de France...
1534
01:28:32,665 --> 01:28:34,504
From our end, it was never personal.
1535
01:28:34,505 --> 01:28:36,624
In fact, you know, we gave
him the same opportunity
1536
01:28:36,625 --> 01:28:38,384
to come in and be part of
the solution.
1537
01:28:38,385 --> 01:28:40,824
1,000 pages of evidence
1538
01:28:40,825 --> 01:28:43,624
provided by the agency
include first-hand accounts,
1539
01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:44,945
scientific documents...
1540
01:28:48,545 --> 01:28:52,984
Lance believed that he was
bulletproof, that he was invincible,
1541
01:28:52,985 --> 01:28:55,624
that they could
bring down the Floyds,
1542
01:28:55,625 --> 01:28:57,984
the Tylers,
they could bring down anybody.
1543
01:28:57,985 --> 01:28:59,624
"But you can't bring down me,
1544
01:28:59,625 --> 01:29:02,785
because I am too big
to be brought down."
1545
01:29:03,905 --> 01:29:07,104
I thought in light of recent events,
I ought to reintroduce myself.
1546
01:29:07,105 --> 01:29:10,224
My name is Lance Armstrong.
I'm a cancer survivor.
1547
01:29:10,225 --> 01:29:13,824
I've been asked to come up here and
talk about my story of survivorship.
1548
01:29:13,825 --> 01:29:18,945
I'm a father of five and, yes,
I won the Tour de France seven times.
1549
01:29:23,665 --> 01:29:26,784
UCI will ban Lance Armstrong
from cycling
1550
01:29:26,785 --> 01:29:30,705
and UCI will strip him of
his seven Tour de France titles.
1551
01:29:32,065 --> 01:29:34,305
Lance Armstrong has no
place in cycling.
1552
01:29:38,025 --> 01:29:39,784
I don't have anything to worry
about.
1553
01:29:39,785 --> 01:29:43,184
Nobody needs to cry for me.
I'm going to be great.
1554
01:29:43,185 --> 01:29:46,224
Are you doing something to take
your mind off the news this week?
1555
01:29:46,225 --> 01:29:48,985
I'm more at ease now than
I have been in ten years.
1556
01:29:50,265 --> 01:29:54,544
What surprised me was how
quickly it fell apart.
1557
01:29:54,545 --> 01:29:57,064
This was a day
we could not have imagined.
1558
01:29:57,065 --> 01:29:59,144
Nike has fired Lance Armstrong
1559
01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:02,144
over allegations he
was doping during races.
1560
01:30:02,145 --> 01:30:06,224
And it first hit me when Nike
announced they were fleeing.
1561
01:30:06,225 --> 01:30:08,064
Over the last ten years,
1562
01:30:08,065 --> 01:30:11,304
he's made more than an
estimated $100 million.
1563
01:30:11,305 --> 01:30:14,824
What am I on? I'm on my bike,
busting my ass six hours a day.
1564
01:30:14,825 --> 01:30:16,584
What are YOU on?
1565
01:30:16,585 --> 01:30:20,344
And then, almost in rapid
succession, everyone left him.
1566
01:30:20,345 --> 01:30:24,384
Anheuser-Busch, FRS sports drinks,
Trek bicycles and Giro helmets
1567
01:30:24,385 --> 01:30:27,264
all dropped today like dominoes.
1568
01:30:27,265 --> 01:30:29,945
And suddenly, in a matter
of days, it collapsed.
1569
01:30:32,545 --> 01:30:35,024
Oh, my golly, the category tonight.
1570
01:30:35,025 --> 01:30:38,064
Paul, take a guess what you think
the category might be tonight.
1571
01:30:38,065 --> 01:30:40,264
Well, could it...? Something about Lance
Armstrong?
1572
01:30:40,265 --> 01:30:42,904
Nice going. Nice going!
1573
01:30:42,905 --> 01:30:45,905
Honest to God, who cares
about cy...? No-one.
1574
01:30:55,905 --> 01:30:57,904
We were pulling
into the driveway and,
1575
01:30:57,905 --> 01:31:00,784
right when we pulled into the
driveway, Betsy's phone rings
1576
01:31:00,785 --> 01:31:04,224
and Betsy turned to me
and she goes, "It's Lance."
1577
01:31:04,225 --> 01:31:06,024
And our daughter in the back said,
1578
01:31:06,025 --> 01:31:08,944
"Is it really him?
Is it really him?"
1579
01:31:08,945 --> 01:31:11,624
He apologised. Apologised
for everything he'd done.
1580
01:31:11,625 --> 01:31:14,584
And I said, "You know, it must be...
It's got to be a tough phone call
1581
01:31:14,585 --> 01:31:17,224
for you to make..." I said,
"You know,
1582
01:31:17,225 --> 01:31:19,304
I appreciate it," and I said,
1583
01:31:19,305 --> 01:31:22,744
"I'm sure you're going through hell
for the last month and a half."
1584
01:31:22,745 --> 01:31:24,264
I said, "But no...
1585
01:31:24,265 --> 01:31:27,224
That I'd been going through hell
for ten years with this shit."
1586
01:31:27,225 --> 01:31:33,945
The Lance in that phone call
was a Lance I've never, ever...
1587
01:31:36,865 --> 01:31:38,984
It was a Lance I didn't know.
1588
01:31:38,985 --> 01:31:41,144
He really, genuinely seemed contrite.
1589
01:31:41,145 --> 01:31:42,745
Um...
1590
01:31:47,225 --> 01:31:48,945
And he apologised.
1591
01:31:50,465 --> 01:31:54,785
He said he had done a lot of bad
things to a lot of good people.
1592
01:31:56,505 --> 01:32:00,265
I said, "Lance, you better admit
that that hospital room happened."
1593
01:32:02,265 --> 01:32:08,385
Now the worldwide exclusive
Oprah and Lance Armstrong.
1594
01:32:09,945 --> 01:32:12,824
So let's start with the questions
that people around the world
1595
01:32:12,825 --> 01:32:14,584
have been waiting for you to answer
1596
01:32:14,585 --> 01:32:17,544
and for now I'd just like
a yes or no.
1597
01:32:17,545 --> 01:32:21,304
Did you ever take banned substances
to enhance your cycling performance?
1598
01:32:21,305 --> 01:32:22,585
Yes.
1599
01:32:24,025 --> 01:32:28,864
- Yes or no, was one of those banned
substances EPO?
- Yes.
1600
01:32:28,865 --> 01:32:30,624
I was physically sick.
1601
01:32:30,625 --> 01:32:32,304
Did you ever blood dope
1602
01:32:32,305 --> 01:32:36,184
- or use blood transfusions to enhance
your cycling performance?
- Yes.
1603
01:32:36,185 --> 01:32:38,504
It was sort of like an old Mike Tyson
fight,
1604
01:32:38,505 --> 01:32:40,784
that by the time you sat down
in your ringside seat,
1605
01:32:40,785 --> 01:32:43,024
he'd already knocked the
guy out and it was over.
1606
01:32:43,025 --> 01:32:46,784
Did you ever use any other banned
substances like testosterone,
1607
01:32:46,785 --> 01:32:49,584
cortisone or human growth hormone?
1608
01:32:49,585 --> 01:32:50,904
Yes.
1609
01:32:50,905 --> 01:32:54,744
I was, like, holy shit. Wow.
1610
01:32:54,745 --> 01:32:56,185
Wow!
1611
01:32:58,345 --> 01:33:01,145
Yeah, am I jealous and bitter
and vindictive now?
1612
01:33:02,505 --> 01:33:06,304
In all seven of your
Tour de France victories,
1613
01:33:06,305 --> 01:33:10,904
- did you ever take banned substances or blood dope?
- Yes.
1614
01:33:10,905 --> 01:33:14,504
Those five yeses in one fell swoop,
1615
01:33:14,505 --> 01:33:19,184
just wiped out a generation
of cyclists.
1616
01:33:19,185 --> 01:33:21,944
Watching the show,
for me, was like...
1617
01:33:21,945 --> 01:33:25,544
I never thought those words would
come out of Lance Armstrong's mouth.
1618
01:33:25,545 --> 01:33:26,585
It was unbelievable.
1619
01:33:28,225 --> 01:33:32,864
Was Betsy telling the truth
about the Indiana hospital
1620
01:33:32,865 --> 01:33:36,224
- overhearing you in 1996?
- Erm...
1621
01:33:36,225 --> 01:33:39,984
I'm not going to take that on.
I'm laying down on that one.
1622
01:33:39,985 --> 01:33:41,984
Was Betsy lying?
1623
01:33:41,985 --> 01:33:43,425
Erm...
1624
01:33:46,385 --> 01:33:47,905
And he dropped the ball.
1625
01:33:49,305 --> 01:33:51,584
He dropped the ball.
1626
01:33:51,585 --> 01:33:54,944
- She asked me and I asked her not to talk about...
- What you said?
1627
01:33:54,945 --> 01:33:58,784
...the details of the call. It was a
confidential, personal conversation.
1628
01:33:58,785 --> 01:34:01,704
It was 40 minutes long.
1629
01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:03,664
So again, it was classic Lance.
1630
01:34:03,665 --> 01:34:08,024
His way out, throughout that whole
interview, he... he just used me.
1631
01:34:08,025 --> 01:34:10,864
He called to apologise so that when
he went on Oprah he could say,
1632
01:34:10,865 --> 01:34:13,024
"Oh, yeah, I've reached out
to people to apologise.
1633
01:34:13,025 --> 01:34:15,504
I'm a changed man.
I'm trying to be better."
1634
01:34:15,505 --> 01:34:17,944
It played into his hand.
It played into his game.
1635
01:34:17,945 --> 01:34:20,624
My stepfather called me and said,
1636
01:34:20,625 --> 01:34:22,624
"Your mom's having a
really hard time."
1637
01:34:22,625 --> 01:34:24,105
And I saw my mom...
1638
01:34:26,345 --> 01:34:28,745
...and I thought, "Oh...
1639
01:34:30,705 --> 01:34:31,945
..this woman's a wreck."
1640
01:34:35,305 --> 01:34:38,665
What has been the financial cost?
Have you lost everything?
1641
01:34:40,225 --> 01:34:42,345
I don't like thinking about it.
1642
01:34:43,545 --> 01:34:46,104
But that was a...
1643
01:34:46,105 --> 01:34:50,705
I don't know,
that was a $75 million day.
1644
01:34:53,985 --> 01:34:56,345
- Gone. Gone.
- Gone.
1645
01:34:58,425 --> 01:35:01,464
Do you think he
will ever come clean?
1646
01:35:01,465 --> 01:35:03,424
No, I don't think fully.
1647
01:35:03,425 --> 01:35:05,905
Partly because it would
burn too many people.
1648
01:35:07,705 --> 01:35:10,064
He's protected Bruyneel,
he's protected Ferrari,
1649
01:35:10,065 --> 01:35:12,944
he's protected Thom Weisel,
he's protected Bill Stapleton
1650
01:35:12,945 --> 01:35:16,505
and he's protected, I believe,
the medical people at that hospital.
1651
01:35:18,505 --> 01:35:21,224
It's really not about him,
but about the people behind him.
1652
01:35:21,225 --> 01:35:23,984
They put this team together
that had knowledge of the doping,
1653
01:35:23,985 --> 01:35:26,624
that went out and
then sold sponsorships
1654
01:35:26,625 --> 01:35:31,024
to the tune of about 30+ million
federal dollars from citizens
1655
01:35:31,025 --> 01:35:33,985
of the United States of America.
It's alleged fraud.
1656
01:35:37,585 --> 01:35:39,784
I don't know Lance Armstrong now.
1657
01:35:39,785 --> 01:35:42,584
The man I knew in 1993,
I had a blast with.
1658
01:35:42,585 --> 01:35:44,264
A great friend and it's hard for me
1659
01:35:44,265 --> 01:35:46,664
to talk about because of
how much hell he put me through
1660
01:35:46,665 --> 01:35:47,945
and my wife through.
1661
01:35:50,585 --> 01:35:53,224
He's like the guy who robs a bank
1662
01:35:53,225 --> 01:35:57,944
and then says, "Oops, forgot to
frisk the tellers for any money
1663
01:35:57,945 --> 01:36:00,304
they might have in their pockets."
1664
01:36:00,305 --> 01:36:02,985
So he essentially wanted it all.
1665
01:36:08,385 --> 01:36:11,865
Most of the cheats pretty much
stop at the water's edge.
1666
01:36:14,905 --> 01:36:17,104
Lance didn't.
1667
01:36:17,105 --> 01:36:19,665
I had it. And then I just...
1668
01:36:22,105 --> 01:36:24,465
Things got too big.
Things got too crazy.
1669
01:36:32,545 --> 01:36:35,305
What Lance never had
was the truth...
1670
01:36:36,545 --> 01:36:39,625
...which is more powerful
than the corrupt athlete.
1671
01:36:49,145 --> 01:36:51,145
It's an epic story.
1672
01:36:56,425 --> 01:36:57,745
Time flies, huh?
1673
01:37:01,025 --> 01:37:02,585
Who would have thought?
1673
01:37:03,305 --> 01:38:03,499
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