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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:29,257 --> 00:01:31,259 Bicentennial hats here! 4 00:01:33,970 --> 00:01:35,513 Bicentennial hats. 5 00:01:36,264 --> 00:01:38,349 Excuse me, do you feel patriotic? 6 00:01:38,808 --> 00:01:41,603 Patriotic is-- is not the real feeling that I have right now. 7 00:01:41,686 --> 00:01:44,189 People like bicentennial hats, I sell 'em bicentennial hats. 8 00:01:44,272 --> 00:01:45,315 Uh-huh. 9 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:48,818 Ladies and gentlemen, of this beautiful day 10 00:01:48,902 --> 00:01:53,156 and this bicentennial day, right here, downtown in New York City, 11 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:54,324 ladies and gentlemen. 12 00:01:54,407 --> 00:01:57,452 Joseph Hurdley Jr., songwriter of New York City. 13 00:01:57,535 --> 00:02:01,122 Otherwise, Uncle Sam is going to sing 14 00:02:01,206 --> 00:02:04,584 one of his versions of "The Star-Spangled Banner." 15 00:02:04,667 --> 00:02:08,213 Ladies and gentlemen, "The Star-Spangled Banner" with new music. 16 00:02:08,296 --> 00:02:12,217 Words by Francis Scott Key and music by Joseph Hurdley Jr., 17 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,428 dedicated to the future of America, God save the republic. 18 00:02:15,512 --> 00:02:16,846 Are you ready, maestro? 19 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:19,057 No maestros? I'll sing it myself. 20 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:22,310 ♪ O say, can you see By the dawn's early light ♪ 21 00:02:22,393 --> 00:02:23,686 It's one dollar. 22 00:02:24,145 --> 00:02:25,688 Get your copies here. 23 00:02:25,772 --> 00:02:27,816 I've got four versions of... 24 00:02:29,192 --> 00:02:32,695 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 25 00:02:32,779 --> 00:02:35,865 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 26 00:02:35,949 --> 00:02:42,080 ♪ I'm not sleepy And there is no place I'm going to ♪ 27 00:02:43,581 --> 00:02:47,085 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 28 00:02:47,168 --> 00:02:49,796 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 29 00:02:50,505 --> 00:02:53,591 ♪ In the jingle jangle morning ♪ 30 00:02:53,675 --> 00:02:56,970 ♪ I'll come followin' you ♪ 31 00:02:59,347 --> 00:03:02,684 ♪ Though I know that evenin's empire ♪ 32 00:03:03,142 --> 00:03:06,187 ♪ Has returned into sand... ♪ 33 00:03:06,938 --> 00:03:09,065 We're gathered in this historic house 34 00:03:09,148 --> 00:03:12,735 for the celebration of the 200th anniversary 35 00:03:12,819 --> 00:03:14,153 of the United States, 36 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:18,199 but I refer to the words that were spoken 37 00:03:18,283 --> 00:03:22,829 by those who at the time of the Declaration of Independence 38 00:03:23,496 --> 00:03:25,874 thought of the mission of America, 39 00:03:25,957 --> 00:03:27,834 what America could mean to the world. 40 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,048 And one of them said that we act not just for ourselves, 41 00:03:34,132 --> 00:03:35,717 but for all mankind. 42 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,429 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 43 00:03:39,512 --> 00:03:41,598 ♪ Play a song for me... ♪ 44 00:03:41,681 --> 00:03:43,224 Saigon had fallen. 45 00:03:43,308 --> 00:03:46,769 People had seemed to, uh, lost their sense of, 46 00:03:46,853 --> 00:03:48,479 uh, conviction for... 47 00:03:48,563 --> 00:03:50,356 for just about anything. 48 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,693 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man... ♪ 49 00:03:53,776 --> 00:03:55,904 Lot of arguments about why... 50 00:03:56,654 --> 00:03:58,656 America was chased out of Vietnam... 51 00:04:00,158 --> 00:04:01,659 in such a humiliating way. 52 00:04:02,368 --> 00:04:05,496 Two people tried to shoot the president in one month. 53 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:09,417 ♪ Take me on a trip Upon your magic... ♪ 54 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:13,212 Let us set for our goal in 1976 55 00:04:13,296 --> 00:04:16,382 to move forward in the realm of the American spirit. 56 00:04:16,466 --> 00:04:18,426 ♪ My hands can't feel to grip ♪ 57 00:04:18,509 --> 00:04:21,471 That the opportunity that everybody in this room has had... 58 00:04:22,055 --> 00:04:26,392 is something that is a realizable dream 59 00:04:26,476 --> 00:04:27,810 that can be achieved 60 00:04:28,353 --> 00:04:31,689 for anyone who has the good fortune to be born in this country, 61 00:04:32,482 --> 00:04:35,526 or anyone who has the good fortune to come to this country. 62 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:39,906 ♪ Ready for to fade Into my own parade...♪ 63 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:42,325 The idea was to put a tour up, 64 00:04:42,408 --> 00:04:46,663 combination of different acts on the same stage 65 00:04:47,538 --> 00:04:50,792 for a variety of, uh, musical styles. 66 00:04:52,001 --> 00:04:55,129 I wouldn't say it was a, uh, traditional revue, 67 00:04:55,213 --> 00:04:58,925 but it was in the, uh, traditional... um... 68 00:05:00,551 --> 00:05:02,178 form of, uh, of a revue. 69 00:05:02,261 --> 00:05:04,097 That's all clumsy bullshit. 70 00:05:04,180 --> 00:05:05,473 - Okay. - Y'know. 71 00:05:05,556 --> 00:05:07,558 - So what-- - I'm trying to get to the... 72 00:05:07,642 --> 00:05:09,102 To the core thing. 73 00:05:09,185 --> 00:05:12,772 To the core of what this Rolling Thunder thing is all about, 74 00:05:12,855 --> 00:05:14,732 and I don't have a clue, 75 00:05:14,816 --> 00:05:16,526 because it's not... It's about nothing. 76 00:05:16,609 --> 00:05:19,237 It's a-- It's just something that happened 40 years ago. 77 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,905 And that's the truth of it. 78 00:05:20,989 --> 00:05:22,782 - Why don't we go down that road? - Okay, we can. 79 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:24,158 Let's go. 80 00:05:24,242 --> 00:05:25,076 All right, let's go. 81 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:26,953 I don't remember a thing about Rolling Thunder. 82 00:05:27,036 --> 00:05:28,871 - Okay. - I mean, it-- it happened 83 00:05:28,955 --> 00:05:31,791 so long ago, I wasn't even born, you know? 84 00:05:31,874 --> 00:05:34,877 Uh, I... So, what do you wanna know? 85 00:05:34,961 --> 00:05:38,214 ♪ And take me disappearing ♪ 86 00:05:38,297 --> 00:05:41,300 ♪ Through the smoke rings of my mind ♪ 87 00:05:41,843 --> 00:05:45,513 ♪ Down the foggy ruins of time ♪ 88 00:05:45,596 --> 00:05:49,100 ♪ Far past the frozen leaves ♪ 89 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:52,562 ♪ The haunted, frightened trees ♪ 90 00:05:52,645 --> 00:05:56,107 ♪ Out to the windy beach ♪ 91 00:05:56,190 --> 00:06:01,571 ♪ Far from the twisted reach Of crazy sorrow ♪ 92 00:06:02,989 --> 00:06:06,451 ♪ Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky ♪ 93 00:06:06,534 --> 00:06:09,912 ♪ With one hand waving free ♪ 94 00:06:09,996 --> 00:06:13,374 ♪ Silhouetted by the sea ♪ 95 00:06:13,458 --> 00:06:16,919 ♪ Circled by the circus sands ♪ 96 00:06:17,003 --> 00:06:20,506 ♪ With all memory and fate ♪ 97 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:23,801 ♪ Driven deep beneath the waves ♪ 98 00:06:23,885 --> 00:06:29,432 ♪ Let me forget about today Until tomorrow ♪ 99 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:35,063 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 100 00:06:35,146 --> 00:06:37,940 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 101 00:06:38,024 --> 00:06:39,442 ♪ I'm not sleepy... ♪ 102 00:06:39,525 --> 00:06:42,070 - Is that Bob Dylan? - That is Bob Dylan! 103 00:06:42,153 --> 00:06:44,322 Life isn't about finding yourself... 104 00:06:44,781 --> 00:06:47,784 or finding anything. Life is about creating yourself. 105 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:50,286 - Playing tonight? - And creating things. 106 00:06:50,369 --> 00:06:52,455 And I want to introduce another fine... 107 00:06:52,538 --> 00:06:54,874 entertainer here at Folk City, 108 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:56,292 so everybody... 109 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:58,795 Summer, 1975. 110 00:06:58,878 --> 00:07:00,838 It was a very odd scene in New York. 111 00:07:01,422 --> 00:07:04,759 Unusual. Sort of. The folk era had died out. Or did it? 112 00:07:05,551 --> 00:07:06,928 Joan Baez 113 00:07:07,011 --> 00:07:08,721 and her friend Bob Dylan! 114 00:07:08,805 --> 00:07:10,389 Let's have a nice hand for Joan Baez... 115 00:07:10,473 --> 00:07:13,643 Rumor came around that the inspired Dylan was back, 116 00:07:13,726 --> 00:07:15,686 gathering all-- all his forces. 117 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:18,564 ♪ When ev'rything that I'm sayin' ♪ 118 00:07:19,148 --> 00:07:25,196 ♪ You can say it just as good ♪ 119 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,239 Woo! 120 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:29,283 And pretty soon, they were all jamming together 121 00:07:29,367 --> 00:07:32,078 as if they were young musicians having fun, 122 00:07:32,161 --> 00:07:34,038 actually in direct contact with each other. 123 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:38,584 ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪ 124 00:07:39,043 --> 00:07:43,381 ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪ 125 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:45,800 ♪ My name is Juanano de Castro ♪ 126 00:07:50,054 --> 00:07:50,930 Lord... 127 00:07:51,013 --> 00:07:53,057 ♪ My father was a Spanish grandee ♪ 128 00:07:55,351 --> 00:07:56,811 Excuse me, please! 129 00:07:56,894 --> 00:07:59,063 We're really running short of time. I wanna introduce... 130 00:07:59,564 --> 00:08:01,399 Miss Patti Smith and Eric Anderson. 131 00:08:01,482 --> 00:08:02,859 Let's have a nice hand. 132 00:08:02,942 --> 00:08:05,194 Let's hear it! Get up here! 133 00:08:05,278 --> 00:08:06,529 There was a... 134 00:08:07,989 --> 00:08:09,490 There was an archer... 135 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:13,536 There was an archer who was in love with his sister. 136 00:08:14,203 --> 00:08:16,122 So, the archer looked at his sister 137 00:08:16,664 --> 00:08:17,582 and he said, 138 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:23,129 "All the madness between me and you is real private." 139 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:27,508 But the sister was too scared, so the sister... 140 00:08:28,384 --> 00:08:32,471 the sister put down her cigarette and she married the sultan. 141 00:08:33,264 --> 00:08:36,893 So the archer became a... the archer for the king. 142 00:08:37,852 --> 00:08:40,980 So, it was the wedding night, and the sultan and the sister 143 00:08:41,063 --> 00:08:42,481 were gonna get married. 144 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:43,983 And so... 145 00:08:45,109 --> 00:08:48,279 the archer went out the door, and he had on his armor, 146 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:50,781 and he was going. There was all, like... 147 00:08:50,865 --> 00:08:54,243 You know how like the gran-- ground was in 16th-century Japan? 148 00:08:54,702 --> 00:08:57,038 It was black and green like a chessboard. 149 00:08:57,121 --> 00:09:00,750 So the archer was walking on the black part of the chessboard, 150 00:09:00,833 --> 00:09:02,960 and he looked at the black part of the chessboard, 151 00:09:03,044 --> 00:09:05,588 and it looked like the back of his sister's hair. 152 00:09:05,671 --> 00:09:07,215 And so... 153 00:09:08,007 --> 00:09:09,383 You know how it is. 154 00:09:09,467 --> 00:09:10,927 Yeah. 155 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:14,305 Anyway, it looked... Oh, what a mess. 156 00:09:14,388 --> 00:09:16,599 Looked like the back of his sister's hair, 157 00:09:16,682 --> 00:09:19,602 and so he couldn't advance and be the king's archer no more, 158 00:09:19,685 --> 00:09:22,980 because he looked over at the palace, and over at the palace, 159 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:25,149 he saw his sister undressing 160 00:09:25,233 --> 00:09:26,275 for the sultan. 161 00:09:26,359 --> 00:09:29,737 So the prince took off a-- took off all his armor, 162 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:32,198 and he started walking toward the palace. 163 00:09:32,281 --> 00:09:34,659 He started walking in another direction, 164 00:09:34,742 --> 00:09:37,286 started walking in another dimension, 165 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:39,747 started walking in another dimension. 166 00:09:39,830 --> 00:09:42,250 He moved in another dimension. 167 00:09:42,333 --> 00:09:45,711 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 168 00:09:45,795 --> 00:09:49,548 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 169 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:53,344 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 170 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:56,180 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 171 00:09:56,264 --> 00:10:00,184 ♪ And he kept on walking ♪ 172 00:10:00,268 --> 00:10:02,270 ♪ And he walked real slow ♪ 173 00:10:05,606 --> 00:10:07,817 ♪ Here is the first archer ♪ 174 00:10:08,693 --> 00:10:11,070 ♪ In rock 'n' roll ♪ 175 00:10:12,822 --> 00:10:15,491 ♪ He walked toward the palace ♪ 176 00:10:16,701 --> 00:10:19,537 ♪ Toward the palace of answers ♪ 177 00:10:20,621 --> 00:10:22,623 ♪ He took big steps ♪ 178 00:10:24,542 --> 00:10:26,752 ♪ He took big steps ♪ 179 00:10:28,546 --> 00:10:30,840 ♪ He walked seven ways ♪ 180 00:10:32,258 --> 00:10:34,927 ♪ He walked seven ways ♪ 181 00:10:35,011 --> 00:10:36,512 ♪ He freed the elements ♪ 182 00:10:36,595 --> 00:10:40,057 ♪ The hurricane just burst From his hands ♪ 183 00:10:43,311 --> 00:10:45,646 ♪ You are my sunshine ♪ 184 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:48,441 - ♪ My only sunshine ♪ - Let's go! 185 00:10:48,524 --> 00:10:51,360 ♪ You make me happy ♪ 186 00:10:51,444 --> 00:10:53,904 - ♪ When skies are gray ♪ - Whoopee! 187 00:10:53,988 --> 00:10:57,742 ♪ You'll never know, dear How much I... ♪ 188 00:10:57,825 --> 00:10:59,452 October, November, uh... 189 00:10:59,535 --> 00:11:02,079 Dylan might have some idea to do something. 190 00:11:02,163 --> 00:11:04,457 Sort of like a... con man, 191 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:06,667 carny medicine show of old, 192 00:11:06,751 --> 00:11:08,502 where you just get in a bus and go from town-- 193 00:11:08,586 --> 00:11:10,338 or a carriage, and go from town to town. 194 00:11:10,796 --> 00:11:15,801 It's like Dylan is taking us out to try and give us each... He's presenting us. 195 00:11:15,885 --> 00:11:18,554 I mean, that's his conception. I mean, it hasn't been made overt. 196 00:11:18,637 --> 00:11:20,556 His idea is, uh... 197 00:11:21,182 --> 00:11:23,392 to show how beautiful he is... 198 00:11:23,476 --> 00:11:26,187 ...by showing how beautiful we are... 199 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:27,855 by showing how beautiful... 200 00:11:29,482 --> 00:11:30,816 the ensemble is. 201 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,611 So, it's to show the actual community. 202 00:11:34,278 --> 00:11:37,573 Which is way-- the way-- the way life is, the way that life of poets is. 203 00:11:37,656 --> 00:11:39,825 ♪ I live in an apartment ♪ 204 00:11:39,909 --> 00:11:41,744 ♪ Sink leaks through the walls ♪ 205 00:11:41,827 --> 00:11:43,704 ♪ Lower East Side full of bedbugs ♪ 206 00:11:43,788 --> 00:11:45,664 ♪ Junkies in the halls ♪ 207 00:11:45,748 --> 00:11:47,625 ♪ House been broken into ♪ 208 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:49,668 ♪ Tibetan thangkas stole ♪ 209 00:11:49,752 --> 00:11:51,587 ♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪ 210 00:11:51,670 --> 00:11:53,506 ♪ And made my love a fool ♪ 211 00:11:53,589 --> 00:11:55,549 ♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪ 212 00:11:55,633 --> 00:11:58,761 ♪ And made my love a fool ♪ 213 00:12:01,138 --> 00:12:03,265 - Do you wanna hear more or...? - Yeah. 214 00:12:03,349 --> 00:12:04,892 I got this big audition. 215 00:12:05,476 --> 00:12:08,604 There was this party at Allen Ginsberg's apartment. 216 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:10,398 And that's where you met Dylan? 217 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:11,440 Uh, yes. 218 00:12:12,274 --> 00:12:15,486 - What did you think of him? - Uh, Dylan was fine. 219 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:18,447 There were all these crazy people, 220 00:12:18,531 --> 00:12:20,366 all getting high and coming up to him 221 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:23,661 and spinning faster and faster, and Bob didn't react. 222 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,830 I think he just, uh, watched the whole thing. 223 00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:27,498 I think he liked the chaos. 224 00:12:27,581 --> 00:12:31,544 ♪ I am a rake and a rambling boy ♪ 225 00:12:32,545 --> 00:12:36,966 ♪ There's many a city I did enjoy ♪ 226 00:12:37,049 --> 00:12:42,430 - Woo! - ♪ But now I married me a better wife ♪ 227 00:12:43,097 --> 00:12:47,226 ♪ And I love her dearer Than I love my life ♪ 228 00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:56,110 My idea was to have a kind of a jug band, 229 00:12:56,193 --> 00:12:57,611 uh, for the whole show, 230 00:12:58,154 --> 00:13:03,659 something, uh, along the lines of maybe, uh, Kweskin Jug Band... 231 00:13:04,702 --> 00:13:05,619 but that didn't happen. 232 00:13:08,247 --> 00:13:11,584 They were in the middle of the rehearsals at SIR Studio, 233 00:13:11,667 --> 00:13:16,088 and I talked to Levy, and he asked Dylan if it was all right for me to shoot 234 00:13:16,172 --> 00:13:17,631 B-roll of the rehearsal. 235 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:21,760 Dylan was all right with it, but Levy told me there was no budget. 236 00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:24,638 Because I thought that this was really going to go somewhere, 237 00:13:24,722 --> 00:13:26,140 I took all the money that I had, 238 00:13:26,223 --> 00:13:28,893 and I paid for everything out of my own pocket. 239 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:33,689 - Did Bob like you? - I don't know, who knows? 240 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:35,649 He was-- It was like looking into a mirror. 241 00:13:35,733 --> 00:13:37,526 You either saw what you wanted to see, 242 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:39,111 or you hated what you saw. 243 00:13:39,612 --> 00:13:42,364 I can tell you this, back then I used to smoke, 244 00:13:42,448 --> 00:13:44,241 and I held my cigarette like this, 245 00:13:44,325 --> 00:13:46,160 you know, the European style. 246 00:13:46,243 --> 00:13:49,955 After that night at Ginsberg's, Bob started holding it like that, too. 247 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:51,290 That was me. 248 00:13:51,373 --> 00:13:53,334 ♪ Rita May, Rita May ♪ 249 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:56,921 ♪ How did you ever get that way? ♪ 250 00:13:58,839 --> 00:14:00,716 ♪ When'd you ever see the light? ♪ 251 00:14:02,468 --> 00:14:04,553 ♪ Don't you ever feel afraid? ♪ 252 00:14:06,847 --> 00:14:08,933 ♪ You got me burning and a-turning ♪ 253 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:10,768 ♪ But I know I must be learning ♪ 254 00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:11,769 ♪ Rita May ♪ 255 00:14:15,356 --> 00:14:18,692 ♪ And I don't sense affection ♪ 256 00:14:18,776 --> 00:14:21,278 ♪ No gratitude or love ♪ 257 00:14:21,987 --> 00:14:25,616 ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪ 258 00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:28,536 - ♪ But to the stars above ♪ - Yeah! 259 00:14:29,578 --> 00:14:34,124 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 260 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:41,298 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 261 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,219 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 262 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:51,225 I was going to a jazz musician friend of mine house 263 00:14:51,308 --> 00:14:52,935 in the Lower East Side, 264 00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:57,856 and I was just about to cross the street, and a car cut me off. 265 00:14:59,149 --> 00:15:00,401 It was Bob. 266 00:15:00,484 --> 00:15:01,569 It was Dylan. 267 00:15:03,153 --> 00:15:04,405 And... 268 00:15:05,489 --> 00:15:06,907 It was never verbalized. 269 00:15:06,991 --> 00:15:09,368 I knew who he was, or he knew I knew. 270 00:15:09,451 --> 00:15:11,704 Just sort of passed, you know. 271 00:15:12,913 --> 00:15:16,542 We just played music all day and all night. 272 00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:20,421 We went to The Bottom Line and played with Muddy Waters, 273 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:24,049 and we went that night to Victoria Spivey's house. 274 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:26,385 She's an old blues singer. 275 00:15:27,094 --> 00:15:28,178 And, um... 276 00:15:28,262 --> 00:15:32,433 we played music till about six in the morning. 277 00:15:32,516 --> 00:15:33,809 It was really great. 278 00:15:33,892 --> 00:15:36,061 She wears a turtle... 279 00:15:36,145 --> 00:15:39,273 ♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪ 280 00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:41,150 ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪ 281 00:15:43,944 --> 00:15:46,405 ♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪ 282 00:15:47,114 --> 00:15:49,533 ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪ 283 00:15:52,202 --> 00:15:54,330 ♪ There's nothing she won't say ♪ 284 00:15:54,413 --> 00:15:56,915 ♪ And there's nothing that she won't do ♪ 285 00:16:01,045 --> 00:16:05,049 There are 52 people. If each person asks him is he okay, 286 00:16:05,758 --> 00:16:09,094 it becomes a long, hard question and answer period for him. 287 00:16:09,178 --> 00:16:10,929 Is the light bothering him? 288 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:12,681 Is the guitar right? 289 00:16:12,765 --> 00:16:14,099 Does he like the lighting? 290 00:16:14,183 --> 00:16:15,851 Is the sound monitor okay? 291 00:16:15,934 --> 00:16:19,271 He's a big man, and he knows what he wants. 292 00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:21,398 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 293 00:16:22,149 --> 00:16:24,026 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 294 00:16:24,735 --> 00:16:29,114 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 295 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:31,909 Five ten. 296 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:33,994 - Five ten? - Yeah. 297 00:16:35,287 --> 00:16:36,747 So what does he do? 298 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:39,291 He's a director. 299 00:16:39,375 --> 00:16:40,209 Theater. 300 00:16:40,292 --> 00:16:41,168 Theater? 301 00:16:42,336 --> 00:16:43,504 But that's not... 302 00:16:43,587 --> 00:16:46,423 That's why I'm saying it's tricky because it's not marriage, is it? 303 00:16:46,507 --> 00:16:47,966 I mean, unless you actually make it-- 304 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:50,302 Well, I mean, maybe marriage to the theater. 305 00:16:51,762 --> 00:16:52,888 But when you said marriage, 306 00:16:52,971 --> 00:16:55,808 I assumed you-- you meant marriage between two people. 307 00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:57,393 - Yeah. - Did you? 308 00:16:57,476 --> 00:16:59,186 Well, no, mental marriage. 309 00:16:59,269 --> 00:17:00,979 - Mental marriage? - Yeah. 310 00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:04,233 Ah, well, that's interesting. 311 00:17:07,444 --> 00:17:09,947 ♪ Some speak of the future ♪ 312 00:17:11,407 --> 00:17:13,826 ♪ My love, she speaks softly ♪ 313 00:17:14,535 --> 00:17:17,871 ♪ 'Cause there's no success like failure ♪ 314 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:21,583 ♪ And failure's no success at all ♪ 315 00:17:23,585 --> 00:17:24,628 Hey! 316 00:17:25,129 --> 00:17:27,798 I'm doing a-- a thing on a tour for Rolling Stone magazine. 317 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:28,966 - Yes. - Okay? 318 00:17:29,049 --> 00:17:31,135 And-- And basically, I saw Bob leave, 319 00:17:31,593 --> 00:17:35,973 uh, after that... uh, um, the dialogue you did with him, the marriage thing. 320 00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:36,932 Yes. 321 00:17:37,015 --> 00:17:40,644 And he said to one of the cameramen, "That is hot. That was a hot scene." 322 00:17:40,728 --> 00:17:42,479 - Okay. - Oh, I'm really flattered. I'm touched. 323 00:17:42,563 --> 00:17:45,107 Okay, now, look, I-- I-- I just wanna know, 324 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,151 how did-- how did it happen? I mean, was it set up? 325 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:48,944 - It happened-- No. - Was it a set up scene? 326 00:17:49,027 --> 00:17:50,696 It was totally spontaneous. 327 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:52,656 I was on my way to the bathroom... 328 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:53,615 Yeah. 329 00:17:53,699 --> 00:17:57,870 ...when, uh, on my way, uh, Mel Howard introduced me to Bob Dylan. 330 00:17:57,953 --> 00:18:00,080 What-- What did you say? And what was your point-- 331 00:18:00,164 --> 00:18:02,040 - What did I say to-- - In the conversation to Bob? 332 00:18:02,124 --> 00:18:04,501 Well, it was a sort of free... 333 00:18:05,961 --> 00:18:08,005 - uh, going from one thing to another. - Freewheeling? 334 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:09,131 - Freewheeling. - It wasn't-- 335 00:18:09,214 --> 00:18:11,884 It wasn't meant to be specifically-- specifically that. 336 00:18:11,967 --> 00:18:13,677 Yeah, but you started talking about marriage. 337 00:18:13,761 --> 00:18:14,928 Out of the blue, 338 00:18:15,012 --> 00:18:17,473 - the subject of marriage came up. - But what did you say? 339 00:18:17,556 --> 00:18:21,268 ♪ Come gather 'round, fellers ♪ 340 00:18:21,351 --> 00:18:26,565 ♪ So young and so fine ♪ 341 00:18:27,483 --> 00:18:30,694 ♪ And seek not your fortune ♪ 342 00:18:31,528 --> 00:18:35,199 ♪ Down in the mine ♪ 343 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:38,368 ♪ It will form... ♪ 344 00:18:38,452 --> 00:18:42,080 Was the idea to make a behind-the-scenes film of the tour? 345 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,124 I think that's what they were expecting. 346 00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:46,919 They just thought that I was going to make it a concert film, 347 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:49,379 but I was trying to make something really serious out of this. 348 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:53,217 First, what I wanted to show was musicians working together, 349 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:54,676 making music together. 350 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,512 That was them doing their job. 351 00:18:56,595 --> 00:18:57,805 That was, you know, 352 00:18:57,888 --> 00:19:01,016 that was as if I went to film my father in his shoe store. 353 00:19:01,517 --> 00:19:02,476 Focus in on that. 354 00:19:03,644 --> 00:19:04,895 What is that, Patti? 355 00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:07,397 I seen th-- this Rimbaud book, 356 00:19:07,481 --> 00:19:09,191 and I saw this picture. 357 00:19:09,274 --> 00:19:11,944 I saw this vogue picture, and I thought it looked like you, 358 00:19:12,027 --> 00:19:14,029 - and I thought he was a neat guy, y'know? - Yeah? 359 00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:17,825 And I thought you were neat, so I used to, like, pretend he was my boyfriend. 360 00:19:17,908 --> 00:19:20,369 Or if-- Or if you were. You know, it doesn't matter, right? 361 00:19:20,452 --> 00:19:21,286 So anyway... 362 00:19:21,370 --> 00:19:22,454 What did you say? 363 00:19:22,538 --> 00:19:23,914 - What did I say? - Yeah. 364 00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:26,708 I gave my thoughts on... 365 00:19:26,792 --> 00:19:29,503 He spoke about mental marriage. 366 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:31,004 - When he asked me-- - Mental marriage? 367 00:19:31,088 --> 00:19:33,006 Uh, Superman takes a piece of coal, 368 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:35,676 and he puts it in his hand, and he starts squeezing it, 369 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:37,970 and squeezing it, and squeezing it, and squeezing it, 370 00:19:38,053 --> 00:19:39,429 and then it becomes like a diamond. 371 00:19:39,513 --> 00:19:40,472 - It's real hard. - Yeah. 372 00:19:40,556 --> 00:19:42,307 And then, like, he drops it on the ground, 373 00:19:42,391 --> 00:19:43,642 - on the baseball diamond. - Yeah. 374 00:19:43,725 --> 00:19:46,228 And the kids, the kids keep kicking it, the kids keep kicking it. 375 00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:47,813 - Yeah. - Then it goes round and round. 376 00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:49,898 And after years and years of kids kicking it around, 377 00:19:49,982 --> 00:19:52,484 it gets smooth, but it's not... It's just changed. 378 00:19:52,568 --> 00:19:55,445 It's still the same crystal, but it's smooth, so it's a crystal ball. 379 00:19:55,529 --> 00:19:56,947 So it's sitting there in the middle, 380 00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:59,783 the crystal ball is sitting there in the middle of the baseball diamond. 381 00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:01,285 - Right. - Okay? Now you can look in. 382 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,041 I hated the ristelaars... 383 00:20:08,125 --> 00:20:10,168 the, you know, the-- the facilitators. 384 00:20:10,252 --> 00:20:12,671 You know, the-- the people hanging around him. 385 00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:15,048 People pretending that they had access, 386 00:20:15,132 --> 00:20:17,009 so that they could behave badly. 387 00:20:17,092 --> 00:20:18,677 This film was going to show 388 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,264 the counterpoint between the... the excesses of the people 389 00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:25,225 on the tour and the dissolution of society. 390 00:20:25,309 --> 00:20:27,477 - Come on, everybody. - Allen! 391 00:20:27,561 --> 00:20:29,938 I wanted to show the land of Pet Rocks 392 00:20:30,022 --> 00:20:32,399 and Super Slurpees from 7-Eleven. 393 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,443 L'Amérique insolite. 394 00:20:35,527 --> 00:20:38,864 I would go on the road with the Rolling Thunder Revue. 395 00:20:38,947 --> 00:20:40,574 Right here. 396 00:20:40,741 --> 00:20:43,368 See you Thursday. 397 00:20:45,329 --> 00:20:48,832 This is a true story. Actually, they're all true. 398 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:52,669 Boy. Sure hope we get to Boston on time. 399 00:21:09,853 --> 00:21:11,521 ♪ I married Isis ♪ 400 00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:13,106 ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪ 401 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:15,525 ♪ But I could not hold on ♪ 402 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:17,277 ♪ To her very long ♪ 403 00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:19,363 ♪ So I cut off my hair ♪ 404 00:21:19,863 --> 00:21:21,490 ♪ And I rode straight away ♪ 405 00:21:21,949 --> 00:21:23,784 ♪ For the wild, unknown country ♪ 406 00:21:23,867 --> 00:21:25,619 ♪ Where I could not go wrong ♪ 407 00:21:26,203 --> 00:21:28,205 ♪ I came to a high place ♪ 408 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:30,082 ♪ Of darkness and light ♪ 409 00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:32,125 ♪ The dividing line ran ♪ 410 00:21:32,209 --> 00:21:33,835 ♪ Through the center of town ♪ 411 00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,129 ♪ I hitched up my pony ♪ 412 00:21:36,213 --> 00:21:38,340 ♪ To a post on the right ♪ 413 00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:40,092 ♪ Went into a laundry ♪ 414 00:21:40,175 --> 00:21:42,469 ♪ To wash my clothes down ♪ 415 00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:44,554 ♪ A man in the corner ♪ 416 00:21:44,638 --> 00:21:46,223 ♪ Approached me for a match ♪ 417 00:21:46,682 --> 00:21:48,350 ♪ I knew right away ♪ 418 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:50,143 ♪ He was not ordinary ♪ 419 00:21:50,686 --> 00:21:52,354 ♪ He said, "Are you looking ♪ 420 00:21:52,437 --> 00:21:54,523 ♪ For something easy to catch?" ♪ 421 00:21:54,606 --> 00:21:56,149 ♪ I said, "I got no money, man" ♪ 422 00:21:56,233 --> 00:21:58,652 ♪ He said, "That ain't necessary" ♪ 423 00:22:15,293 --> 00:22:17,045 ♪ We set out that night ♪ 424 00:22:17,129 --> 00:22:18,880 ♪ For the cold in the north ♪ 425 00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:21,133 ♪ I gave him my blanket ♪ 426 00:22:21,216 --> 00:22:22,759 ♪ And he gave me his word ♪ 427 00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,012 ♪ I said, "Where we goin'?" ♪ 428 00:22:25,095 --> 00:22:27,347 ♪ He said, "We be back by the fourth" ♪ 429 00:22:27,431 --> 00:22:29,224 ♪ I said, "That's the best news ♪ 430 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:31,226 ♪ That I've ever heard" ♪ 431 00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:33,228 ♪ I was thinkin' about turquoise ♪ 432 00:22:33,311 --> 00:22:35,272 ♪ I was thinkin' about gold ♪ 433 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:37,190 ♪ I was thinkin' about diamonds ♪ 434 00:22:37,274 --> 00:22:39,401 ♪ And the world's biggest necklace ♪ 435 00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:41,486 ♪ As we rode through the canyons ♪ 436 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:43,488 ♪ Through the devilish cold ♪ 437 00:22:43,572 --> 00:22:45,282 ♪ I was thinkin' about Isis ♪ 438 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,784 ♪ How she thought I was so reckless ♪ 439 00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:51,413 ♪ She told me, though, that one day We would meet up again ♪ 440 00:22:51,913 --> 00:22:53,832 ♪ And things would be different ♪ 441 00:22:53,915 --> 00:22:55,709 ♪ The next time we wed ♪ 442 00:22:55,792 --> 00:22:57,878 ♪ If I could only just hang on ♪ 443 00:22:57,961 --> 00:22:59,713 ♪ And be her friend ♪ 444 00:23:00,172 --> 00:23:01,757 ♪ I still can't remember ♪ 445 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,800 ♪ All the best things she said ♪ 446 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,194 ♪ We came to the pyramids ♪ 447 00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:24,196 ♪ All embedded in ice ♪ 448 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:25,781 ♪ He said, "There's a body ♪ 449 00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:28,158 ♪ That I'm tryin' to find ♪ 450 00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:30,035 ♪ If I carry it out ♪ 451 00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:32,370 ♪ It'll bring a good price" ♪ 452 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:34,039 ♪ 'Twas then that I knew ♪ 453 00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:36,166 ♪ What he had on his mind ♪ 454 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:38,210 ♪ Well, the wind, it was howlin' ♪ 455 00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:40,295 ♪ And the snow was outrageous ♪ 456 00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:42,214 ♪ We chopped through the glades ♪ 457 00:23:42,297 --> 00:23:44,299 ♪ And we chopped through the dawn ♪ 458 00:23:44,382 --> 00:23:46,343 ♪ When he died, I was hopin' ♪ 459 00:23:46,426 --> 00:23:48,386 ♪ That it wasn't contagious ♪ 460 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,430 ♪ But I made up my mind ♪ 461 00:23:50,514 --> 00:23:52,516 ♪ That I had to get on ♪ 462 00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:10,700 ♪ I picked up his body ♪ 463 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:12,285 ♪ And I dragged him inside ♪ 464 00:24:12,744 --> 00:24:14,704 ♪ Threw him down in a hole ♪ 465 00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:16,456 ♪ And I put back the cover ♪ 466 00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:18,625 ♪ I said a quick prayer ♪ 467 00:24:18,708 --> 00:24:20,794 ♪ Just to feel satisfied ♪ 468 00:24:20,877 --> 00:24:22,546 ♪ Then I went back to find Isis ♪ 469 00:24:22,629 --> 00:24:24,840 ♪ Just to tell her I love her ♪ 470 00:24:24,923 --> 00:24:26,758 ♪ She was there in the meadow ♪ 471 00:24:26,842 --> 00:24:29,219 ♪ Where the creek used to rise ♪ 472 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:30,846 ♪ Blinded by sleep ♪ 473 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:32,931 ♪ And in need of a bed ♪ 474 00:24:33,014 --> 00:24:34,724 ♪ I came in from the East ♪ 475 00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,185 ♪ With the sun in my eyes ♪ 476 00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:41,022 ♪ I cursed her one time Then I rode on ahead ♪ 477 00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:43,150 ♪ She said, "Where you been?" ♪ 478 00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:45,110 ♪ I said, "No place special" ♪ 479 00:24:45,193 --> 00:24:48,572 ♪ She said, "You look different" I said, "Well, I guess" ♪ 480 00:24:49,239 --> 00:24:50,699 ♪ She said, "You been gone" ♪ 481 00:24:50,782 --> 00:24:54,536 ♪ I said, "That's only natural" She said, "You gonna stay?" ♪ 482 00:24:54,619 --> 00:24:57,205 ♪ I said, "If you want me to, yeah!" ♪ 483 00:25:13,638 --> 00:25:15,557 ♪ Isis, oh, Isis ♪ 484 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,475 ♪ You a mystical child ♪ 485 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,477 ♪ What drives me to you ♪ 486 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:21,521 ♪ Is what drives me insane ♪ 487 00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:23,523 ♪ I still can remember ♪ 488 00:25:23,607 --> 00:25:25,650 ♪ The way that you smiled ♪ 489 00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:27,569 ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪ 490 00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:30,071 ♪ In the drizzlin' rain ♪ 491 00:26:01,478 --> 00:26:02,437 Hi, Bob. 492 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,190 - Hi, what you guys want? An interview? - Sure. 493 00:26:05,273 --> 00:26:07,275 - Ah, wh-- - How was it, Bob? 494 00:26:07,776 --> 00:26:08,902 How was what? 495 00:26:10,362 --> 00:26:12,530 What did Bob say about the tour? 496 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:14,741 I never asked him anything because, you know, 497 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:16,534 he wouldn't answer direct questions. 498 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,453 Dylan, you're beautiful. 499 00:26:19,955 --> 00:26:22,290 Bob! 500 00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:24,918 A legend is in town, 501 00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,545 and it's not just another... rock 'n' roll show. 502 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,881 I mean, it's rock 'n' roll, but it's a special event. 503 00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,259 Where rock 'n' roll has four or five legends, 504 00:26:32,342 --> 00:26:35,387 this is one of them, and maybe the biggest one at the present time. 505 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,650 Not to brag, but Rolling Thunder was kinda my idea, you know. 506 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:50,986 Bob had done that tour with The Band a few years back, 507 00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:52,946 and that was super successful, 508 00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:56,324 and then Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young were filling 50,000 seats a night. 509 00:26:56,908 --> 00:26:59,661 And Zeppelin was huge. I mean, there was money everywhere. 510 00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:02,580 You know, all you had to do was bend down, pick it up. 511 00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:06,710 So, I had an idea that some kind of revue with Bob would be a gold mine. 512 00:27:07,294 --> 00:27:09,004 So I went off and pitched the idea, 513 00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:11,172 and a bunch of local promoters were interested. 514 00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:14,676 And then by the time I was done, I ended up with 15 headliners. 515 00:27:16,845 --> 00:27:19,472 ♪ I'm gonna have to go to college 'Cause you are... ♪ 516 00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:21,516 Now you've asked for it! 517 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,227 We took a big risk. And, uh, you know, 518 00:27:24,311 --> 00:27:27,605 you had to put up the money, get everybody, you know, hotels, catering, 519 00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:29,399 cars, all this stuff, buses. 520 00:27:29,941 --> 00:27:33,653 And you had to keep all these guys happy and, you know, focused. 521 00:27:33,737 --> 00:27:37,365 And so... And that was, you loaded up before you went out on the road. 522 00:27:37,449 --> 00:27:40,201 Then you hope you got paid. And you hope the show worked. 523 00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:43,621 Did you have any interaction with Bob? 524 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:46,124 The only time I saw Bob was when he was onstage 525 00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:47,459 or driving the bus. 526 00:27:47,542 --> 00:27:49,544 You know? Bob kept to himself. 527 00:27:49,627 --> 00:27:51,880 How did it become "Rolling Thunder Revue"? 528 00:27:51,963 --> 00:27:54,299 Well, I asked Bob. He said originally he was gonna call it 529 00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:55,633 Montezuma's Revue, 530 00:27:55,717 --> 00:27:57,052 but then he said he was home, 531 00:27:57,135 --> 00:28:00,138 and he was just kind of trying to think of a name for the tour, 532 00:28:00,221 --> 00:28:02,640 when all of a sudden in the sky, he heard, "Boom!" 533 00:28:02,724 --> 00:28:05,018 And then, from left to right, 534 00:28:05,101 --> 00:28:06,186 punctuating the sky, 535 00:28:06,269 --> 00:28:07,562 "Boom, boom, boom, boom!" 536 00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:10,607 So he said, "Hey, let's call it 'Rolling Thunder.'" 537 00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:12,150 So before we even left, 538 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,110 Chesley Millikin, who was on the tour, says, 539 00:28:14,194 --> 00:28:16,488 "Bob, you know what 'rolling thunder' means to the Indians?" 540 00:28:16,571 --> 00:28:19,657 And he goes, "What, man?" And Chesley goes, "Speaking truth." 541 00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:22,452 And then Bob goes, "I'm glad to hear that, man." 542 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:25,288 Of course, later on we found out that Rolling Thunder was actually 543 00:28:25,372 --> 00:28:28,208 the code name for, uh, Nixon's bombing of Cambodia. 544 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:32,545 And that Guam, the backup band, was the base that, uh, they took off from. 545 00:28:32,629 --> 00:28:34,089 So, who knows what the real story is. 546 00:28:34,172 --> 00:28:37,592 This is the leaflet for a concert they're having in town next week. 547 00:28:38,385 --> 00:28:41,304 Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Jack Elliott. 548 00:28:41,388 --> 00:28:42,931 Right in the Civic Center. 549 00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:45,183 You know me, I'm too old for that kind of stuff. 550 00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:46,393 Oh, well. 551 00:28:47,644 --> 00:28:48,770 - Okay. - So... 552 00:28:48,853 --> 00:28:50,605 when did you first hear about Bob? 553 00:28:51,064 --> 00:28:54,317 This is like a... a... It sounds like a fairy tale, 554 00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:57,404 but all... a lot of the... 555 00:28:57,487 --> 00:29:00,698 It doesn't happen continuously for more than a few days at a time, 556 00:29:00,782 --> 00:29:02,617 but a lot of my life, 557 00:29:03,451 --> 00:29:05,995 I feel like I really am leading a charmed life, 558 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:10,333 because miracles start happening in threes or fours. 559 00:29:10,417 --> 00:29:12,794 One thing I could tell you about Ramblin' Jack, 560 00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:15,463 he's more of a sailor than a singer. 561 00:29:15,964 --> 00:29:20,176 He can tie a bowline, a clove hitch, and he could tie a rolling hitch, 562 00:29:20,844 --> 00:29:21,970 all blindfolded. 563 00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,389 If you're ever on a boat or sailing ship, 564 00:29:25,932 --> 00:29:29,644 you would rather have Ramblin' Jack there as a sailor than a singer. 565 00:29:30,145 --> 00:29:33,481 ♪ Now, London is a fine town For sailors ♪ 566 00:29:34,315 --> 00:29:38,194 ♪ California and back to France, so... ♪ 567 00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:40,780 Which would you rather be, the Pilgrims or the Indians? 568 00:29:40,864 --> 00:29:42,991 - Pilgrims. - Why the Pilgrims? 569 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:44,784 Why do you wanna be the Pilgrims? 570 00:29:44,868 --> 00:29:47,245 'Cause the Pilgrims all land and they turn into wax dolls, 571 00:29:47,328 --> 00:29:49,622 and they're wax dolls for the rest of the universe. 572 00:29:49,706 --> 00:29:50,999 So the Indians. 573 00:29:51,082 --> 00:29:54,461 Well, you know, the Indians, that's true-- Well, we're all wax dolls, so... 574 00:29:55,044 --> 00:29:59,424 The first concert will take place in Plymouth... 575 00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:04,220 Uh, where the, uh, Pilgrims stepped off their Mayflower. 576 00:30:04,721 --> 00:30:06,806 We're... as if we're-- we're Pilgrims. 577 00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:08,725 Pilgrims in the sense of searchers, 578 00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:11,269 looking for the, uh, kingdom of a nation 579 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:13,771 with maybe a different intention. 580 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:15,899 Making America a kingdom of poetry, 581 00:30:15,982 --> 00:30:17,108 a nation of poetry. 582 00:30:30,997 --> 00:30:33,333 Well, look at this. Lookit. 583 00:30:33,416 --> 00:30:35,084 Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan? 584 00:30:35,168 --> 00:30:37,545 - Yeah. - Yeah, I've heard of Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, 585 00:30:37,629 --> 00:30:38,463 Bob Neuwirth. 586 00:30:39,339 --> 00:30:42,759 ...performing at Memorial Auditorium. Anybody? 587 00:30:43,635 --> 00:30:44,719 Pass 'em out. 588 00:30:45,595 --> 00:30:47,764 ♪ I left Rome ♪ 589 00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,726 ♪ And pulled into Brussels ♪ 590 00:30:53,645 --> 00:30:55,480 ♪ On a plane ride ♪ 591 00:30:55,563 --> 00:30:58,483 ♪ So bumpy that I almost cried ♪ 592 00:31:01,277 --> 00:31:03,571 ♪ Clergymen in uniform ♪ 593 00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:06,407 ♪ Young girls pullin' muscles ♪ 594 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:10,203 ♪ Well, it sure has been ♪ 595 00:31:10,828 --> 00:31:13,164 ♪ One hell of a ride ♪ 596 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,585 ♪ Newspapermen ♪ 597 00:31:18,461 --> 00:31:21,297 ♪ Eating candy, ooh ♪ 598 00:31:22,674 --> 00:31:25,260 ♪ They had to be held back ♪ 599 00:31:25,343 --> 00:31:27,387 ♪ By big police ♪ 600 00:31:30,014 --> 00:31:34,811 ♪ Someday Everything is gonna be different ♪ 601 00:31:36,437 --> 00:31:42,860 ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪ 602 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:45,905 ♪ Train wrecks ♪ 603 00:31:45,989 --> 00:31:49,367 ♪ Running through the back of my memory ♪ 604 00:31:51,035 --> 00:31:53,204 ♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪ 605 00:31:53,288 --> 00:31:55,999 ♪ Following a pack of wild geese ♪ 606 00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:03,590 ♪ Someday Everything is gonna be beautiful ♪ 607 00:32:04,966 --> 00:32:11,097 ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪ 608 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:14,642 ♪ When I paint ♪ 609 00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:22,150 ♪ That masterpiece ♪ 610 00:32:30,116 --> 00:32:32,160 Any idea why he would wear a mask? 611 00:32:32,243 --> 00:32:35,496 Are you being funny? 612 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,332 Well, it was kind of a leading question. 613 00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:39,792 Yeah, okay. Well, get to the point. 614 00:32:40,627 --> 00:32:43,546 We didn't have enough masks on that tour. 615 00:32:45,381 --> 00:32:47,717 We should have had masks for everybody. 616 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,552 When somebody's wearing a mask, 617 00:32:49,636 --> 00:32:51,638 uh, he's gonna tell you the truth. 618 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:53,556 Uh... 619 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,768 when he's not wearing a mask, it's highly unlikely. 620 00:32:56,851 --> 00:32:59,520 Shocking Blue! 621 00:33:04,484 --> 00:33:07,153 ♪ Her weapons were her crystal eyes ♪ 622 00:33:08,237 --> 00:33:10,448 ♪ Making every man mad ♪ 623 00:33:11,866 --> 00:33:14,369 I'd been filming Shocking Blue. 624 00:33:14,452 --> 00:33:16,954 Their song "Venus" was at the top of the charts. 625 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:19,499 - Wow! - And we needed more footage. 626 00:33:19,582 --> 00:33:21,959 And at the time, I liked psychedelics. 627 00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:25,254 Oh, LSD was my drug of choice. 628 00:33:25,338 --> 00:33:27,757 You know, it was trans-- transformative. 629 00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:32,095 And I filmed a lot of newspeople and things from the TV, 630 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:35,098 like camera right on the TV, like kinescoped, 631 00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:38,434 and I cut these serious things, these speeches, with the rock 'n' roll. 632 00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:41,104 ♪ A goddess on a mountaintop ♪ 633 00:33:42,146 --> 00:33:44,774 ♪ Was burning like a silver flame ♪ 634 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:47,402 ♪ Well, I'm your Venus ♪ 635 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:52,448 - ♪ I'm your fire at your desire ♪ - It was brood en spelen, uh... 636 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:54,534 You know, like, "bread and circus." 637 00:33:55,368 --> 00:33:57,704 I made an indictment of popular culture. 638 00:33:58,287 --> 00:34:01,165 I called it "Burning Like A Silver Flame." 639 00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:04,085 It played the local art film circuit, 640 00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:07,588 uh, and it started to have a life of its own. 641 00:34:07,672 --> 00:34:10,550 Um, later, when I won the Heinrich Greif Award, 642 00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,009 America came calling. 643 00:34:31,362 --> 00:34:32,697 Van Dorp, 644 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:34,532 I hadn't even heard of him before, 645 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:37,493 but, uh, he seemed like an okay guy. 646 00:34:37,577 --> 00:34:38,953 I liked his film history. 647 00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:43,624 He did some film work at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum. 648 00:34:44,542 --> 00:34:47,545 His idea was to, uh, make this film... 649 00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:52,258 appear to be like old newsreels we used to see at movie theaters... 650 00:34:52,925 --> 00:34:53,801 growing up, 651 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,929 which I thought was a splendid idea. 652 00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:01,225 Van Dorp, I wanted to tell you something. 653 00:35:03,186 --> 00:35:07,982 I thought Sam would be perfect for van Dorp to, uh, collaborate with, 654 00:35:08,566 --> 00:35:12,528 because Sam's got that special knowledge of the underworld 655 00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:16,407 that van Dorp didn't seem to have a clue about. 656 00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:20,536 I think I asked him once, "Sam, how you write all those plays?" 657 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:21,579 And he said... 658 00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:23,581 "Man," he said, 659 00:35:25,249 --> 00:35:27,084 "It's like I commune with the dead." 660 00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:30,296 I said, "Yeah, yeah, 661 00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:34,342 uh, you'd have to to write plays like that." 662 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:37,678 And I asked him if he wanted to, uh, write for, uh, 663 00:35:38,513 --> 00:35:41,265 this movie that this guy van Dorp was making. 664 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:46,896 And he went to meet with van Dorp, and then he came back, and he said, uh... 665 00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,815 he didn't know where the guy was coming from, 666 00:35:48,898 --> 00:35:51,108 but if I wanted him to do it, he would. 667 00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,611 So, that's how Sam got involved. 668 00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:56,447 I was living in Homestead Valley, California, 669 00:35:57,073 --> 00:36:01,786 running a horse boarding farm. 670 00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:06,916 It was a little bit unclear what-- what exactly he wanted me to do. 671 00:36:06,999 --> 00:36:10,127 I was like a screenwriter or writer for hire, you know. 672 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,588 So, sure. So, I joined up. 673 00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:16,926 I was just kind of there for the ride, basically, 674 00:36:17,009 --> 00:36:18,886 and-- and as an observer 675 00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:23,266 and trying to make sense of something, you know. 676 00:36:27,228 --> 00:36:30,731 New England was just experiencing the backbone 677 00:36:30,815 --> 00:36:32,817 of that economic fallout, 678 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,612 you know, way back then, it was, you know, desolate... 679 00:36:36,696 --> 00:36:39,866 Uh, really, really difficult economic times, you know. 680 00:36:39,949 --> 00:36:43,369 People suffering behind that, you know. 681 00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:47,290 Rock 'n' roll was some kind of, a... 682 00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:49,208 I don't know, a kind of medicine or something. 683 00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:51,085 Do you have tickets for the concert? 684 00:36:51,168 --> 00:36:53,212 - Yeah. - How come he's coming here? 685 00:36:53,296 --> 00:36:55,923 I know, how come he picked such a small place? 686 00:36:56,007 --> 00:36:58,801 Tickets are on sale at the collis-- the little Plymouth auditorium. 687 00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:03,764 Wasn't that the year of the bicentennial, also? 688 00:37:04,223 --> 00:37:05,766 The bicentennial, 689 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:07,518 particularly in the little towns, you know, 690 00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:09,103 they didn't give a shit, you know. 691 00:37:09,186 --> 00:37:11,480 "What is the bicen--" You know what I mean? 692 00:37:11,564 --> 00:37:15,151 They-- They certainly weren't celebrating the-- the birth of America. You know? 693 00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:18,404 - We love you, Bobby! - Yeah! 694 00:37:20,531 --> 00:37:24,452 ♪ How many roads must a man walk down ♪ 695 00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:28,497 ♪ Before you call him a man? ♪ 696 00:37:30,082 --> 00:37:33,878 ♪ How many seas must a white dove sail ♪ 697 00:37:34,795 --> 00:37:37,882 ♪ Before she sleeps in the sand? ♪ 698 00:37:39,508 --> 00:37:43,512 ♪ How many times Must the cannonballs fly ♪ 699 00:37:44,138 --> 00:37:46,974 ♪ Before they're forever banned? ♪ 700 00:37:48,392 --> 00:37:50,519 ♪ The answer, my friend ♪ 701 00:37:50,603 --> 00:37:52,897 ♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪ 702 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,192 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 703 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:04,492 It always had this feeling of-- of almost a circus atmosphere, 704 00:38:04,575 --> 00:38:06,077 a dog and pony show sort of thing. 705 00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:08,913 It's the first song I ever heard Woody Guthrie sing 706 00:38:08,996 --> 00:38:10,498 on a little radio station. 707 00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:13,084 He was telling a story... 708 00:38:15,294 --> 00:38:18,756 about traveling across the country on freight trains, 709 00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:20,508 and he had a fiddle with him... 710 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:24,345 in a violin case. 711 00:38:25,846 --> 00:38:27,682 Every time the train would stop, 712 00:38:28,766 --> 00:38:32,812 police would come on and look through, they'd see him with that violin case... 713 00:38:35,439 --> 00:38:36,565 make him open it up, 714 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:39,402 and look inside. 715 00:38:40,236 --> 00:38:41,988 They was looking for an outlaw... 716 00:38:43,072 --> 00:38:44,782 named Pretty Boy Floyd, 717 00:38:45,533 --> 00:38:49,370 who was also traveling with a violin case. 718 00:38:55,084 --> 00:39:01,799 ♪ If you'll gather 'round me, children ♪ 719 00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:09,557 ♪ A story I will tell About Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw ♪ 720 00:39:12,059 --> 00:39:14,645 ♪ Oklahoma knew him well ♪ 721 00:39:17,064 --> 00:39:19,483 I do recall sort of looking over, 722 00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:23,195 from a distance, Jack Elliott's shoulder as he did his solo set. 723 00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:26,407 You know, that was something so new to me, and... 724 00:39:27,616 --> 00:39:28,784 gee, it seemed so authentic, 725 00:39:28,868 --> 00:39:33,789 I had no idea he was, you know, a Jewish dentist's son from Brooklyn. 726 00:39:33,873 --> 00:39:36,876 You know, you could've knocked me over with a feather when I found that out. 727 00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:39,170 Ramblin' Jack! Take a bow, Jack. 728 00:39:42,131 --> 00:39:44,133 I got another friend for you to meet now. 729 00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:58,856 They-- They had an entity about them, you know. 730 00:39:58,939 --> 00:40:00,524 It wasn't stardom. 731 00:40:00,608 --> 00:40:01,942 It wasn't people were looking at, 732 00:40:02,026 --> 00:40:03,819 "Oh, there's Dylan and there's Joan Baez." 733 00:40:03,903 --> 00:40:05,613 No, they were looking at a band. 734 00:40:06,113 --> 00:40:08,199 ♪ Well, I ride on a mail train, baby ♪ 735 00:40:09,075 --> 00:40:11,327 ♪ Can't buy a thrill ♪ 736 00:40:14,538 --> 00:40:16,957 ♪ I been up all night, baby ♪ 737 00:40:17,041 --> 00:40:19,585 ♪ Leanin' on a windowsill ♪ 738 00:40:23,005 --> 00:40:25,591 Once again, good night on behalf of the Rolling Thunder Revue. 739 00:40:25,674 --> 00:40:27,968 We thank you for coming. Good night. Go in peace. 740 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,912 And particularly with those songs 741 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:58,874 that had this kind of saga element about 'em, you know, 742 00:40:58,958 --> 00:41:03,212 it had a rejuvenating effect, I think, you know, it was very exhilarating. 743 00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:09,051 It was a feeling of exhilaration, of-- of-- of being alive. 744 00:41:09,135 --> 00:41:11,971 It... That sounds corny, but it's true, you know. 745 00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:14,849 Take, uh, Shakespeare, Will. 746 00:41:14,932 --> 00:41:18,185 He grew up in, uh, uh, Stratford-on-Avon, 747 00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:20,729 you know, where the... where these rivers cross, 748 00:41:20,813 --> 00:41:23,899 and it was on the way outskirts of London. 749 00:41:24,358 --> 00:41:27,236 And these troubadours and vagabonds 750 00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:33,159 and carnival people from all over were coming into London to perform. 751 00:41:33,242 --> 00:41:36,453 And they would stop at this crossroads of these rivers. 752 00:41:36,537 --> 00:41:41,417 And as a kid, he's seeing this, and then he writes those fucking plays. 753 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,210 You know? 754 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:46,672 That's... extraordinary. 755 00:41:46,755 --> 00:41:49,592 You know, that somebody is charged up like that 756 00:41:49,675 --> 00:41:52,887 from something passing through their lives, you know. 757 00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:55,472 - Let me ask you a question. - Sure. 758 00:41:56,515 --> 00:41:58,976 What were you gonna do on Halloween night? 759 00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:01,145 What was I gonna do on Halloween night? 760 00:42:01,896 --> 00:42:03,355 Just get a buzz on. 761 00:42:05,441 --> 00:42:06,692 Nothing else to do. 762 00:42:07,526 --> 00:42:09,361 Yep, just party. 763 00:42:13,824 --> 00:42:16,869 ♪ Where have you been My blue-eyed son? ♪ 764 00:42:17,578 --> 00:42:20,956 ♪ Where have you been My darling young one? ♪ 765 00:42:23,626 --> 00:42:27,213 ♪ I've stumbled on the side Of twelve misty mountains ♪ 766 00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:31,425 ♪ Walked and I've crawled On six crooked highways ♪ 767 00:42:31,508 --> 00:42:34,511 ♪ Been in the middle Of seven sad forests ♪ 768 00:42:35,095 --> 00:42:38,307 ♪ Been out in front Of a dozen dead oceans ♪ 769 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:41,477 ♪ Been ten thousand miles In the mouth of a graveyard ♪ 770 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,645 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 771 00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:44,939 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 772 00:42:45,022 --> 00:42:46,482 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 773 00:42:47,149 --> 00:42:48,817 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 774 00:42:48,901 --> 00:42:51,904 ♪ Well, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 775 00:42:55,241 --> 00:42:58,452 ♪ What did you see My blue-eyed son? ♪ 776 00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:02,665 ♪ What did you see My darling young one? ♪ 777 00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:07,962 ♪ Saw a newborn baby With wild wolves all around it ♪ 778 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:11,632 ♪ I saw a highway of diamonds With nobody on it ♪ 779 00:43:12,091 --> 00:43:15,594 ♪ Saw a black branch With blood that kept drippin' ♪ 780 00:43:15,678 --> 00:43:18,847 ♪ Saw a room full of men With their hammers bleedin' ♪ 781 00:43:19,348 --> 00:43:22,643 ♪ Saw a white ladder Covered in water ♪ 782 00:43:22,726 --> 00:43:26,563 ♪ Saw ten thousand talkers Whose tongues are all broken ♪ 783 00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:29,608 ♪ Guns and sharp swords In the hands of young children ♪ 784 00:43:29,692 --> 00:43:30,901 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 785 00:43:31,568 --> 00:43:32,861 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 786 00:43:33,404 --> 00:43:34,697 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 787 00:43:35,281 --> 00:43:36,907 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 788 00:43:36,991 --> 00:43:39,952 ♪ Oh, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 789 00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:46,208 ♪ What did you hear My blue-eyed son? ♪ 790 00:43:46,917 --> 00:43:50,337 ♪ What did you hear My darling young one? ♪ 791 00:43:52,798 --> 00:43:56,343 ♪ Heard the sound of a thunder That roared out a warnin' ♪ 792 00:43:56,427 --> 00:43:59,847 ♪ Heard the roar of a wave Could drown the whole world ♪ 793 00:44:00,306 --> 00:44:03,726 ♪ One person starved I heard many people laughin' ♪ 794 00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:07,271 ♪ Heard the song of a poet Who died in the gutter ♪ 795 00:44:07,354 --> 00:44:10,566 ♪ Heard the sound of a clown Crying in the alley ♪ 796 00:44:10,649 --> 00:44:12,192 - ♪ And it's a hard ♪ - Yeah! 797 00:44:12,276 --> 00:44:14,028 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 798 00:44:14,111 --> 00:44:15,863 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 799 00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:17,614 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 800 00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:20,826 ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 801 00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:26,915 ♪ Who did you meet My blue-eyed son? ♪ 802 00:44:27,499 --> 00:44:32,087 ♪ Who did you meet My darling young one? ♪ 803 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:36,467 ♪ Met a young child Beside a dead pony ♪ 804 00:44:37,009 --> 00:44:40,137 ♪ Met a white man Who walked a black dog ♪ 805 00:44:40,596 --> 00:44:43,932 ♪ Met one woman Whose body was burning ♪ 806 00:44:44,016 --> 00:44:47,394 ♪ Met a young girl She gave me a rainbow ♪ 807 00:44:47,478 --> 00:44:51,106 ♪ I met one man Wounded in love ♪ 808 00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:54,151 ♪ Met another man Wounded in hatred ♪ 809 00:44:54,234 --> 00:44:55,444 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 810 00:44:55,903 --> 00:44:57,613 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 811 00:44:57,696 --> 00:44:59,365 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 812 00:44:59,448 --> 00:45:01,200 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 813 00:45:01,283 --> 00:45:04,244 ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 814 00:45:35,901 --> 00:45:38,862 ♪ What'll you do now My blue-eyed son? ♪ 815 00:45:39,446 --> 00:45:43,075 ♪ What'll you do now My darling young one? ♪ 816 00:45:45,202 --> 00:45:48,455 ♪ I'm goin' back out When the rain starts a-fallin' ♪ 817 00:45:48,914 --> 00:45:52,084 ♪ Walk to the depths Of the deepest dark forest ♪ 818 00:45:52,167 --> 00:45:55,587 ♪ Where the people are many And their hands are all empty ♪ 819 00:45:55,671 --> 00:45:59,133 ♪ Where the pellets of poison Are flooding their waters ♪ 820 00:45:59,216 --> 00:46:02,553 ♪ Where the home in the valley Meets the damp, dirty prison ♪ 821 00:46:02,636 --> 00:46:06,056 ♪ Where the executioner's face Is always well-hidden ♪ 822 00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:09,726 ♪ Where the hunger is ugly Where souls are forgotten ♪ 823 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:13,313 ♪ Where black is the color None is the number ♪ 824 00:46:13,397 --> 00:46:16,900 ♪ And I'll tell it and think it And speak it and breathe it ♪ 825 00:46:16,984 --> 00:46:20,487 ♪ Reflect from the mountain So all souls can see it ♪ 826 00:46:20,571 --> 00:46:23,782 ♪ Then I'll stand on the ocean Until I start sinkin' ♪ 827 00:46:23,866 --> 00:46:27,077 ♪ But I'll know my song well Before I start singin' ♪ 828 00:46:27,161 --> 00:46:28,203 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 829 00:46:28,704 --> 00:46:30,414 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 830 00:46:30,497 --> 00:46:32,249 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 831 00:46:32,332 --> 00:46:33,959 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 832 00:46:34,042 --> 00:46:36,587 ♪ It's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 833 00:47:15,626 --> 00:47:17,127 - Hello? - Bob? 834 00:47:17,211 --> 00:47:18,337 - Yeah. - This is Larry. 835 00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:20,547 - Larry, how you doing? - You got a minute? 836 00:47:20,631 --> 00:47:22,633 I gotta do a story in an hour, 837 00:47:22,716 --> 00:47:25,135 and I just need about two or three paragraphs. 838 00:47:26,136 --> 00:47:27,304 - Okay. - Are you up? 839 00:47:27,387 --> 00:47:28,639 Yeah, sort of. 840 00:47:34,102 --> 00:47:36,730 What do you-- Why don't you just talk about the music, okay? 841 00:47:36,813 --> 00:47:38,023 What do you wanna know? 842 00:47:38,106 --> 00:47:40,192 I've never seen you so fuckin' great onstage. 843 00:47:40,275 --> 00:47:42,569 I've never seen you so loose. How come? 844 00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:46,740 Jesus Christ, you really got me early in the morning, I can't even think. 845 00:47:46,823 --> 00:47:48,700 Uh... 846 00:47:48,784 --> 00:47:51,828 Well, it's just the element I work best in, you know? 847 00:47:51,912 --> 00:47:53,372 You seen those Italian... 848 00:47:53,455 --> 00:47:55,582 those Italian troupes that go around in Italy, 849 00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:57,584 - those Italian street theaters... - Yeah. 850 00:47:57,668 --> 00:48:00,170 The wagon, the wagon troupes, Commedia dell'arte? 851 00:48:00,254 --> 00:48:01,296 Yeah, right. 852 00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:03,840 This is kind of an extension of that, only musically. 853 00:48:03,924 --> 00:48:05,884 - Music Commedia dell'arte? - Yeah. 854 00:48:05,968 --> 00:48:06,885 Come on, Red! 855 00:48:06,969 --> 00:48:08,095 Riva! 856 00:48:08,178 --> 00:48:09,638 - Jane! - Jane! 857 00:48:10,222 --> 00:48:11,682 Get it, Merty! 858 00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:14,142 If somebody told you Bob Dylan was coming to Providence, 859 00:48:14,226 --> 00:48:17,062 you probably wouldn't believe them, but he is, along with Joan Baez, 860 00:48:17,145 --> 00:48:19,231 Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and Bob Neuwirth, 861 00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:24,444 and it's called the Rolling Thunder Revue at the Providence Civic Center, Tuesday... 862 00:48:24,528 --> 00:48:26,029 You'd book the venues, 863 00:48:26,113 --> 00:48:28,657 make deals with each of the local promoters, 864 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:30,826 and then you'd show up. 865 00:48:30,909 --> 00:48:33,120 And, you know, you'd have a deal for the gate. 866 00:48:33,203 --> 00:48:34,454 And, you know, 867 00:48:34,538 --> 00:48:36,540 hopefully everything would go out, would go well, 868 00:48:36,623 --> 00:48:38,041 and everybody'd make a little money. 869 00:48:38,125 --> 00:48:40,335 Hey, man, it wasn't your door and you weren't invited. 870 00:48:40,419 --> 00:48:43,130 - Hey, don't yell at me, all right? - Oh, I am yelling at ya. 871 00:48:43,213 --> 00:48:45,007 - Okay. - Go get your cop, 872 00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:46,675 - so you can get some fuckin' help. - Okay. 873 00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:49,511 The overall promoter was a longtime friend of Bob's 874 00:48:49,595 --> 00:48:50,512 and a fishmonger. 875 00:48:50,596 --> 00:48:52,514 I mean, he never had managed a tour before, 876 00:48:52,598 --> 00:48:53,849 let alone one of this size. 877 00:48:54,391 --> 00:48:56,351 It's bad for your, uh, high blood pressure. 878 00:48:56,435 --> 00:48:58,520 - Yeah, okay. - Bad for your high blood pressure. 879 00:48:58,604 --> 00:49:00,731 - Read him some poetry, Allen. - Anything you wanna say... 880 00:49:00,814 --> 00:49:02,858 So he was out of his element and underprepared, 881 00:49:02,941 --> 00:49:04,359 and he wasn't very well-liked on the tour. 882 00:49:04,901 --> 00:49:08,363 Then tell him the ushers left. Tell him-- Tell him we're framing it. 883 00:49:08,447 --> 00:49:09,948 - Hi, Barry. - Nice. 884 00:49:11,658 --> 00:49:14,328 This guy, Barry Imhoff, was his second-in-command, 885 00:49:14,411 --> 00:49:16,121 and he'd worked for Bill Graham for years, 886 00:49:16,204 --> 00:49:18,123 but just prior to Rolling Thunder 887 00:49:18,206 --> 00:49:20,626 had got out on his own and started Zebra Productions. 888 00:49:20,709 --> 00:49:24,296 And this was one of, you know, if not exactly, his first tour. 889 00:49:24,379 --> 00:49:26,423 What kind of jobs would the promoter do? 890 00:49:26,506 --> 00:49:28,967 I did whatever needed to get done. 891 00:49:29,051 --> 00:49:31,762 So one day, you're delivering pizza to the band, 892 00:49:31,845 --> 00:49:32,804 and the next day, 893 00:49:32,888 --> 00:49:35,265 I'm... got a bag full of $15,000, 894 00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:37,768 and I'm walking through a parking lot looking over my shoulder, 895 00:49:37,851 --> 00:49:40,228 thinking everybody knows exactly what I'm doing. 896 00:49:40,312 --> 00:49:43,357 Well, you did what you had to do. Some things we don't talk about. 897 00:49:47,235 --> 00:49:50,072 My mom wanted to go see this tour. 898 00:49:50,656 --> 00:49:54,868 Now, you know, nobody wants to go to a concert with their mom. 899 00:49:55,369 --> 00:49:58,205 Especially when they're 19 years old. 900 00:49:58,872 --> 00:50:02,709 So, rebelliously, I-- I wore a KISS T-shirt. 901 00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:06,588 So, I don't know which one of us was more embarrassed, 902 00:50:06,672 --> 00:50:08,674 whether it was me or my mom. 903 00:50:08,757 --> 00:50:10,676 And we went to this concert. 904 00:50:11,176 --> 00:50:12,636 We're trying to get in, 905 00:50:13,178 --> 00:50:15,097 and the guy's giving us kind of a hard time 906 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:18,308 and looking at our tickets and the thing, and we can't get in... 907 00:50:18,392 --> 00:50:21,103 And then, this guy comes walking up, 908 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:24,856 and he doesn't have tickets, and he tries to get in. 909 00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:26,692 And the cop at the door is not letting him in, 910 00:50:26,775 --> 00:50:27,984 and not letting him in. 911 00:50:28,068 --> 00:50:30,404 And so, finally, like, a bunch of people come out, 912 00:50:30,487 --> 00:50:33,240 and they get Bob, and Bob turns around and he's like... 913 00:50:34,908 --> 00:50:37,494 And I'm just like this... And my mom's like, "Come on." 914 00:50:37,577 --> 00:50:39,579 And I don't wanna, "come on," 915 00:50:39,663 --> 00:50:43,458 but my mother pushes us through, and so we go in with Bob, and, um... 916 00:50:43,542 --> 00:50:45,919 Bob turned around and he saw my shirt, 917 00:50:46,753 --> 00:50:47,796 and he was like, 918 00:50:48,588 --> 00:50:49,923 "Do you like them?" 919 00:50:50,006 --> 00:50:52,509 And then I realized he wanted to talk about KISS. 920 00:50:52,592 --> 00:50:55,887 I think I was trying to-- to sound like I was... 921 00:50:56,555 --> 00:50:58,765 smart, and so I started saying, 922 00:50:58,849 --> 00:51:03,937 "Well, you know, I think that they paint their faces in this Kabuki style." 923 00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:04,855 And he said, 924 00:51:04,938 --> 00:51:09,484 "Oh, I bet Okuni never spit blood into the audience." 925 00:51:09,568 --> 00:51:12,362 And I was like, "Okuni?" 926 00:51:12,446 --> 00:51:14,865 And he's like, "Izumo no Okuni." 927 00:51:15,323 --> 00:51:16,700 Oh, and that's, you know, 928 00:51:16,783 --> 00:51:19,161 it's one of the guys who started, uh, Kabuki. 929 00:51:19,244 --> 00:51:20,162 So... 930 00:51:20,245 --> 00:51:24,624 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 931 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,294 ♪ And party every day ♪ 932 00:51:27,377 --> 00:51:30,881 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 933 00:51:31,798 --> 00:51:33,592 ♪ And party every day ♪ 934 00:51:33,675 --> 00:51:36,845 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 935 00:51:36,928 --> 00:51:38,346 I can't hear you! 936 00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:39,806 ♪ And party every day ♪ 937 00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:41,975 ♪ I wanna rock and roll... ♪ 938 00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:44,060 Scarlet Rivera was some piece of work. 939 00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:47,397 Most people'd kind of stay away from Scarlet, but, uh, not me. 940 00:51:49,107 --> 00:51:52,778 Her boyfriend at the time was the leader of KISS. 941 00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:56,198 And she took me over to Queens to see them play. 942 00:51:57,115 --> 00:52:00,035 They were playing in a small club. They had face paint on, 943 00:52:00,118 --> 00:52:01,995 and I thought that was kind of interesting. 944 00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:05,373 I kind of filed that away somewhere. 945 00:52:05,457 --> 00:52:07,125 Clap your hands! 946 00:52:07,209 --> 00:52:12,005 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 947 00:52:16,092 --> 00:52:19,888 Yeah, I remember a lot of things. They-- They said I had a wonderful time. 948 00:52:19,971 --> 00:52:22,349 I think I did. 949 00:52:22,432 --> 00:52:24,851 They said every time we used to do any interviews, 950 00:52:24,935 --> 00:52:28,271 all they wanted to know was, "Ronnie, we wanna hear about the orgies." 951 00:52:28,355 --> 00:52:29,397 I said, "Orgies?" 952 00:52:29,481 --> 00:52:32,192 I said, "Goddamn, we never had any orgies. That sounds nasty as hell." 953 00:52:32,275 --> 00:52:36,780 I said, "We might have had 14 or 15 people in love a time or two, but no orgies." 954 00:52:38,573 --> 00:52:39,533 Look who's here. 955 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,034 Yo, man. 956 00:52:41,576 --> 00:52:43,620 Well, Ronnie Hawkins, now, 957 00:52:43,703 --> 00:52:47,457 he looked like a shitkicker, but he spoke with the wisdom of a sage. 958 00:52:48,583 --> 00:52:49,543 He was like a... 959 00:52:50,752 --> 00:52:51,670 a... 960 00:52:53,129 --> 00:52:54,422 gladiator or something... 961 00:52:55,048 --> 00:52:56,633 that wrestled and raced 962 00:52:56,716 --> 00:53:00,220 in, uh, in-- in some nondescript Roman arena. 963 00:53:00,303 --> 00:53:01,137 Uh... 964 00:53:01,221 --> 00:53:04,099 you expected Ronnie to, uh, to wear a toga... 965 00:53:06,726 --> 00:53:08,395 instead of that ratty cowboy hat. 966 00:53:09,521 --> 00:53:11,815 - Remember Scarlet Rivera? - Oh, yeah. 967 00:53:11,898 --> 00:53:14,025 She fell in love with my rhythm man 968 00:53:14,109 --> 00:53:15,569 from my band, Scarlet did. 969 00:53:16,528 --> 00:53:20,365 Yeah, they put on some interesting shows there, up there in my room. 970 00:53:23,451 --> 00:53:25,871 I think I narrated a couple of 'em. I'm not sure. 971 00:53:26,371 --> 00:53:29,082 But, uh, yeah, she was something else... wore a sword. 972 00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:31,710 She had-- She wore a sword everywhere she went, 973 00:53:31,793 --> 00:53:32,836 that girl, so I didn't... 974 00:53:32,919 --> 00:53:36,089 I was a little bit uneasy about trying to slip her out, 975 00:53:36,172 --> 00:53:39,134 'cause, boy, if you didn't satisfy her, she's liable to stab you. 976 00:53:42,429 --> 00:53:43,680 She was unusual. 977 00:53:43,763 --> 00:53:46,600 I went to her room once, and there was a box of stuff. 978 00:53:47,183 --> 00:53:50,729 Like, chains and mirrors... 979 00:53:51,563 --> 00:53:52,689 candelabras and... 980 00:53:54,024 --> 00:53:55,191 She had swords. 981 00:53:55,859 --> 00:53:56,860 She had a snake. 982 00:53:57,319 --> 00:53:58,403 Just, uh... 983 00:53:58,904 --> 00:54:01,698 many things in... in a trunk. 984 00:54:03,158 --> 00:54:06,828 And, uh, that told me more about her than anything she had to say. 985 00:54:10,332 --> 00:54:11,666 She didn't say much. 986 00:54:13,543 --> 00:54:14,920 But she didn't have to. 987 00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:21,426 - What's that? - This? This is my friend. 988 00:54:24,387 --> 00:54:26,473 He keeps me company while I play. 989 00:54:26,973 --> 00:54:29,601 He's playing the dance beyond his limits. 990 00:54:31,353 --> 00:54:33,855 Something that most people would say is impossible. 991 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:39,402 But artists like to challenge the impossible, I guess. 992 00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:43,073 That's why we wear the makeup we wear, I guess, too. 993 00:54:45,533 --> 00:54:47,911 It's a striking image you have onstage. 994 00:54:50,121 --> 00:54:52,624 Mr. Tambourine Man gives us the opportunity 995 00:54:52,707 --> 00:54:55,335 to be whoever we wish to be. 996 00:55:11,726 --> 00:55:15,063 This, uh, young, beautiful, young lady over here is Scarlet. 997 00:55:15,146 --> 00:55:16,314 She plays with us, too. 998 00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:40,463 I'd been at the high holy gypsy holiday at Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, 999 00:55:40,547 --> 00:55:41,381 South of France. 1000 00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:49,806 It happens to be on my birthday, so it was like going home. 1001 00:56:07,449 --> 00:56:09,034 Manitas de Plata was there, 1002 00:56:09,117 --> 00:56:11,494 and he played all night along the campfire. 1003 00:56:12,454 --> 00:56:14,247 I mean, he was fantastic. 1004 00:56:15,081 --> 00:56:19,377 And, uh, I stayed up till dawn just listening to him play. 1005 00:56:57,165 --> 00:56:59,959 Some time after that, couldn't have been more than a week, 1006 00:57:00,502 --> 00:57:03,463 that song came to me in a dream. 1007 00:57:03,922 --> 00:57:05,673 ♪ Your breath is sweet ♪ 1008 00:57:05,757 --> 00:57:09,302 ♪ Your eyes are like Two jewels in the sky ♪ 1009 00:57:11,846 --> 00:57:14,516 ♪ Your back is straight Your hair is smooth ♪ 1010 00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,393 ♪ On the pillow where you lie ♪ 1011 00:57:19,187 --> 00:57:22,524 ♪ But I don't sense affection ♪ 1012 00:57:22,607 --> 00:57:24,442 ♪ No gratitude or love ♪ 1013 00:57:26,277 --> 00:57:28,905 ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪ 1014 00:57:28,988 --> 00:57:31,866 ♪ But to the stars above ♪ 1015 00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:37,372 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1016 00:57:40,375 --> 00:57:44,712 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1017 00:57:46,256 --> 00:57:49,509 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1018 00:58:01,855 --> 00:58:05,275 ♪ Your daddy, he's an outlaw ♪ 1019 00:58:05,358 --> 00:58:07,527 ♪ And a wanderer by trade ♪ 1020 00:58:09,821 --> 00:58:12,574 ♪ He'll teach you how to pick and choose ♪ 1021 00:58:12,657 --> 00:58:15,451 ♪ And how to throw the blade ♪ 1022 00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:19,831 ♪ He oversees his kingdom ♪ 1023 00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:23,209 ♪ So no stranger does intrude ♪ 1024 00:58:24,294 --> 00:58:27,547 ♪ His voice, it trembles as he calls out ♪ 1025 00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:30,091 ♪ For another plate of food ♪ 1026 00:58:31,384 --> 00:58:35,597 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1027 00:58:38,558 --> 00:58:42,687 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1028 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,275 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1029 00:58:59,829 --> 00:59:03,124 ♪ Your sister sees the future ♪ 1030 00:59:03,208 --> 00:59:05,251 ♪ Like your mama and yourself ♪ 1031 00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:10,340 ♪ You've never learned to read or write ♪ 1032 00:59:10,423 --> 00:59:13,384 ♪ There's no books upon your shelf ♪ 1033 00:59:14,677 --> 00:59:17,972 ♪ And your pleasure knows no limits ♪ 1034 00:59:18,056 --> 00:59:20,642 ♪ Your voice is like a meadowlark ♪ 1035 00:59:21,851 --> 00:59:24,562 ♪ But your heart is like an ocean ♪ 1036 00:59:25,021 --> 00:59:28,274 ♪ Mysterious and dark ♪ 1037 00:59:28,983 --> 00:59:33,154 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1038 00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:40,662 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1039 00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:45,416 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1040 01:00:30,461 --> 01:00:32,839 Are you used to going to rock shows? 1041 01:00:34,048 --> 01:00:36,509 No, it's one of the very few I've seen. 1042 01:00:38,261 --> 01:00:42,348 I finally realized, after last night, I've been missing an awful lot. 1043 01:00:43,558 --> 01:00:45,518 I thought it was the most unusual occurrence. 1044 01:00:45,601 --> 01:00:47,854 I never-- I never noticed... 1045 01:00:48,604 --> 01:00:50,773 as a-- as a part of an audience, 1046 01:00:52,442 --> 01:00:53,985 I never paid attention to a... 1047 01:00:55,778 --> 01:00:58,865 to a response between an audience and people on the stage, 1048 01:00:58,948 --> 01:01:00,199 performers onstage. 1049 01:01:00,950 --> 01:01:04,203 That, to me, was like a show all by itself. 1050 01:01:05,204 --> 01:01:07,832 It was like one battery charging another. 1051 01:01:11,336 --> 01:01:12,337 And... 1052 01:01:13,171 --> 01:01:16,549 you not only could feel the vibes, you could-- you could almost see them. 1053 01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:19,844 There was a... 1054 01:01:21,888 --> 01:01:24,599 a love affair between the performers and the audience. 1055 01:01:30,188 --> 01:01:32,231 Uh, I was thinking about the forces 1056 01:01:32,315 --> 01:01:33,608 that draw people together. 1057 01:01:34,067 --> 01:01:40,323 The magnetism that makes the unit that's now formed as Rolling Thunder. 1058 01:01:40,865 --> 01:01:41,991 And, uh... 1059 01:01:42,075 --> 01:01:44,744 to me, the future already exists. 1060 01:01:46,037 --> 01:01:48,581 For some people, maybe for everyone. 1061 01:01:51,376 --> 01:01:55,004 It's just a matter of tuning yourself to it. 1062 01:02:00,093 --> 01:02:05,056 "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, 1063 01:02:05,139 --> 01:02:07,725 starving hysterical naked, 1064 01:02:08,267 --> 01:02:11,562 dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn 1065 01:02:11,646 --> 01:02:13,773 looking for an angry fix..." 1066 01:02:15,108 --> 01:02:17,485 Allen Ginsberg was a saintlike figure. 1067 01:02:18,152 --> 01:02:21,239 It was like having a... kinda like a father figure. 1068 01:02:21,322 --> 01:02:22,615 He was always very sober. 1069 01:02:24,033 --> 01:02:27,245 No, Allen Ginsberg was anything but a father figure. 1070 01:02:28,663 --> 01:02:30,706 He was definitely not a father figure. 1071 01:02:31,249 --> 01:02:32,500 Allen Ginsberg, 1072 01:02:32,583 --> 01:02:36,212 a guy I really-- I really miss, of the ones that are gone. 1073 01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:40,091 We became very friendly, I mean, you know, he-- he... 1074 01:02:40,174 --> 01:02:43,803 I wasn't a bad-looking, you know, little 19-year-old at the time, 1075 01:02:43,886 --> 01:02:46,556 and he had a thing for straight, 1076 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:47,598 talented... 1077 01:02:48,516 --> 01:02:49,392 um... 1078 01:02:50,017 --> 01:02:51,644 teenage boys. 1079 01:02:51,727 --> 01:02:53,771 So, that probably added to it, I suppose. 1080 01:03:00,528 --> 01:03:02,655 One thing people don't know about Ginsberg 1081 01:03:02,738 --> 01:03:04,365 is that he was an incredible dancer. 1082 01:03:04,449 --> 01:03:05,825 Um... who... 1083 01:03:05,908 --> 01:03:10,705 he would just do these steps that were so unusual and exciting. 1084 01:03:10,788 --> 01:03:13,416 You know, and he'd always have a good dance partner, too. 1085 01:03:13,499 --> 01:03:17,712 Uh, usually somebody from the tour, somebody we'd pick up along the way. 1086 01:03:17,795 --> 01:03:20,214 Uh... He danced a lot, Ginsberg. 1087 01:03:22,884 --> 01:03:25,636 "& shaman he swings a skinny leg to the sky 1088 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,889 & shaman he desires you be there watching 1089 01:03:27,972 --> 01:03:29,765 shaman don't care about eating now 1090 01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:32,518 he's got his paint on he's ready for jive 1091 01:03:32,602 --> 01:03:35,021 & shaman's going to sway & gesture in space 1092 01:03:35,104 --> 01:03:38,399 & shaman's shouting yeah for you & singing your sorrow 1093 01:03:38,483 --> 01:03:40,276 shaman's not faithful except to you 1094 01:03:40,359 --> 01:03:42,361 shaman does it for you you know all this 1095 01:03:42,445 --> 01:03:44,780 shaman's got his eyes on the violin." 1096 01:03:47,408 --> 01:03:49,952 There was this yearning, Allen's yearning, 1097 01:03:50,536 --> 01:03:52,121 to either be Bob or... 1098 01:03:53,122 --> 01:03:55,041 have Bob love him more. 1099 01:03:55,124 --> 01:03:57,043 And I remember Bob saying, 1100 01:03:57,126 --> 01:03:59,253 "Just go out and sing on the street corners." 1101 01:03:59,337 --> 01:04:00,838 So Allen was essentially doing that. 1102 01:04:00,922 --> 01:04:03,049 ♪ Ah... ♪ 1103 01:04:03,132 --> 01:04:06,802 Seeing Ginsberg was like going to see the Oracle of Delphi. 1104 01:04:07,261 --> 01:04:10,223 He didn't care about material wealth or political power. 1105 01:04:10,806 --> 01:04:12,475 He was his own kind of king. 1106 01:04:14,185 --> 01:04:16,437 But... he wanted to play music. 1107 01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:21,234 He had already achieved what any national poet 1108 01:04:21,317 --> 01:04:22,568 could hope to achieve. 1109 01:04:22,652 --> 01:04:25,947 "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness." 1110 01:04:26,614 --> 01:04:28,157 Very few poets have done that. 1111 01:04:28,991 --> 01:04:30,243 Robert Frost, maybe. 1112 01:04:30,868 --> 01:04:33,329 "Promises to keep, miles to go before I sleep." 1113 01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:36,249 Whitman said, "I am large, I contain multitudes." 1114 01:04:36,332 --> 01:04:38,167 We still remember those lines today. 1115 01:04:39,168 --> 01:04:42,421 Today's poets don't reach into the public consciousness that way. 1116 01:04:43,422 --> 01:04:46,551 So it was remarkable that Allen had actually broken through. 1117 01:04:47,301 --> 01:04:51,764 Nowadays, lines that people remember are lines from songs, lyrics from songs... 1118 01:04:53,099 --> 01:04:55,142 "Your cheatin' heart will make you weep." 1119 01:04:55,226 --> 01:04:58,062 "Don't change your hair for me, not if you care for me." 1120 01:04:58,854 --> 01:05:01,607 "I'm in the mood for love." "What a difference a day makes." 1121 01:05:01,691 --> 01:05:02,984 "Ain't misbehavin'." 1122 01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:06,487 Allen wanted his lines to be remembered like that, 1123 01:05:07,113 --> 01:05:08,781 but he was a poet. 1124 01:05:09,532 --> 01:05:10,908 He wasn't a songwriter. 1125 01:05:12,868 --> 01:05:16,914 By 1970 through 1975, 1126 01:05:16,998 --> 01:05:20,626 all of the, uh, heroes of song and poetry 1127 01:05:21,586 --> 01:05:23,087 were out on their own, 1128 01:05:23,588 --> 01:05:24,505 uh... 1129 01:05:25,881 --> 01:05:27,550 in the solitude... 1130 01:05:28,509 --> 01:05:29,385 doing their art. 1131 01:05:31,262 --> 01:05:34,056 The people that were going to die or drink themselves to death, 1132 01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:36,559 as many great artists did, or get strung out... 1133 01:05:37,226 --> 01:05:41,188 uh, went down to... uh... 1134 01:05:42,189 --> 01:05:44,942 She'ol, as Kerouac did, 1135 01:05:45,401 --> 01:05:48,654 105 miles from this ocean, buried in Lowell. 1136 01:05:49,739 --> 01:05:52,825 But that's where I got all my poetry, out of Mexico City Blues. 1137 01:05:53,868 --> 01:05:54,994 You ever read this? 1138 01:05:55,077 --> 01:05:56,412 - Sure. - This book... 1139 01:05:56,871 --> 01:05:59,415 - This is my favorite. - Yeah, I-- I read this. Uh... 1140 01:06:00,791 --> 01:06:03,461 My good friend Dave Whitaker gave me a copy of this book. 1141 01:06:03,544 --> 01:06:06,881 - When? - Uh, in Minneapolis in 1959. 1142 01:06:06,964 --> 01:06:07,798 Uh-huh. 1143 01:06:08,466 --> 01:06:11,886 I remember when David gave me this book, it just blew a hole in my mind. 1144 01:06:11,969 --> 01:06:12,803 Really? 1145 01:06:13,804 --> 01:06:16,098 - Yeah. - "What's been buried in the grave? 1146 01:06:16,182 --> 01:06:17,099 Dust. 1147 01:06:17,183 --> 01:06:18,309 - Perfect--" - "Perfect dust." 1148 01:06:18,392 --> 01:06:20,686 "Perfect dust in time." 1149 01:06:21,437 --> 01:06:23,064 He wrote a lot about being dead. 1150 01:06:24,231 --> 01:06:26,817 "Once I went to a movie At midnight, 1940, 1151 01:06:26,901 --> 01:06:28,402 Mice and Men, the name of it. 1152 01:06:28,486 --> 01:06:31,447 The Red Block Boxcars Rolling by 1153 01:06:31,906 --> 01:06:32,740 Yessir 1154 01:06:32,823 --> 01:06:34,700 life finally gets tired of living - 1155 01:06:35,242 --> 01:06:37,787 On both occasions I had wild Face looking into lights 1156 01:06:37,870 --> 01:06:39,246 Of streets where phantoms 1157 01:06:39,330 --> 01:06:42,208 Hastened out of sight Into Memorial cello time." 1158 01:06:42,291 --> 01:06:43,876 Oh, yeah. 1159 01:06:43,959 --> 01:06:46,295 Here's one. "Dead and don't know it, 1160 01:06:46,379 --> 01:06:47,755 Living and do. 1161 01:06:47,838 --> 01:06:49,590 The living have a dead idea. 1162 01:06:50,132 --> 01:06:51,926 A person is a living idea; 1163 01:06:52,009 --> 01:06:53,803 after death, a dead idea. 1164 01:06:53,886 --> 01:06:55,429 When rock becomes air..." 1165 01:06:55,513 --> 01:06:56,597 "I will be there." 1166 01:06:57,598 --> 01:06:59,308 - He's here. - Yeah, this is where he is. 1167 01:06:59,392 --> 01:07:01,727 - Yeah. So rock has become air. - Yeah. 1168 01:07:04,772 --> 01:07:06,732 - Let's sit down a minute, relax. - Well, this is... 1169 01:07:07,358 --> 01:07:10,861 - Yes, it's not every day... - Kerouac, he honored life. 1170 01:07:11,737 --> 01:07:14,990 I had to read everything again, that Kerouac wrote. 1171 01:07:15,074 --> 01:07:17,910 Not that I did, but I thought about it differently. 1172 01:07:18,452 --> 01:07:20,329 All of a sudden, On the Road, 1173 01:07:21,789 --> 01:07:23,708 he was talking about the road of life. 1174 01:07:33,259 --> 01:07:35,052 "Strange now to think of you, 1175 01:07:35,136 --> 01:07:37,263 gone without corsets and eyes, 1176 01:07:37,346 --> 01:07:39,140 while I walk on the sunny pavement 1177 01:07:39,223 --> 01:07:40,433 of Greenwich Village, 1178 01:07:41,225 --> 01:07:42,977 downtown Manhattan, 1179 01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:44,520 clear winter noon, 1180 01:07:44,603 --> 01:07:46,605 and I've been up all night talking, 1181 01:07:46,689 --> 01:07:47,690 talking, 1182 01:07:47,773 --> 01:07:49,608 reading the Kaddish aloud, 1183 01:07:49,692 --> 01:07:51,193 listening to Ray Charles 1184 01:07:51,277 --> 01:07:54,113 blues shout blind on the phonograph 1185 01:07:54,196 --> 01:07:55,990 The rhythm, the rhythm 1186 01:07:56,657 --> 01:07:58,909 - and your memory in my head..." - "like a poem in the dark-- 1187 01:07:58,993 --> 01:08:01,328 escaped back to Oblivion-- 1188 01:08:01,954 --> 01:08:03,205 No more to say, 1189 01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:06,751 and nothing to weep for but the Beings in the Dream, 1190 01:08:06,834 --> 01:08:08,544 trapped in its disappearance, 1191 01:08:09,044 --> 01:08:10,212 sighing, 1192 01:08:10,296 --> 01:08:11,255 screaming with it, 1193 01:08:11,338 --> 01:08:15,009 buying and selling pieces of phantom, 1194 01:08:15,092 --> 01:08:17,720 laughing and weeping over mahjong, 1195 01:08:17,803 --> 01:08:19,555 worshipping each other, 1196 01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:22,391 worshipping the God included in it all-- 1197 01:08:22,475 --> 01:08:25,060 longing or inevitability?-- 1198 01:08:25,144 --> 01:08:27,730 while it lasts, a Vision-- 1199 01:08:27,813 --> 01:08:31,192 Death, stay thy phantoms! 1200 01:08:31,776 --> 01:08:34,320 O mother what have I left out 1201 01:08:34,904 --> 01:08:37,740 O mother what have I forgotten 1202 01:08:37,823 --> 01:08:40,743 O mother farewell 1203 01:08:40,826 --> 01:08:42,828 with a long black shoe 1204 01:08:43,329 --> 01:08:45,748 farewell with Communist Party 1205 01:08:45,831 --> 01:08:47,333 and a broken stocking 1206 01:08:47,792 --> 01:08:49,960 farewell with six dark hairs 1207 01:08:50,044 --> 01:08:51,712 on the wen of your breast 1208 01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:54,590 farewell with your old dress 1209 01:08:54,673 --> 01:08:58,010 and a long black beard around the vagina 1210 01:08:58,093 --> 01:09:01,597 with your eyes with your eyes of Russia 1211 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,891 with your eyes of no money 1212 01:09:03,974 --> 01:09:06,477 with your eyes of Aunt Elanor 1213 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,562 with your eyes of shock 1214 01:09:08,646 --> 01:09:11,023 with your eyes of lobotomy 1215 01:09:11,106 --> 01:09:15,736 with your eyes of divorce with your eyes of stroke 1216 01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:18,113 with your eyes alone 1217 01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:19,698 with your eyes 1218 01:09:19,782 --> 01:09:21,158 with your eyes 1219 01:09:21,242 --> 01:09:23,911 with your death full of flowers." 1220 01:09:46,433 --> 01:09:49,728 ♪ She walks alone Through the city blocks ♪ 1221 01:09:50,521 --> 01:09:53,732 ♪ Oh, hears the tickin' of the clocks ♪ 1222 01:09:55,067 --> 01:09:57,778 ♪ Hunts for her by the waterfront docks ♪ 1223 01:09:57,862 --> 01:10:00,698 ♪ Where the sailors all come in ♪ 1224 01:10:01,866 --> 01:10:04,368 ♪ Maybe he'll see her there once again ♪ 1225 01:10:05,619 --> 01:10:08,831 ♪ How long must he wait? ♪ 1226 01:10:10,666 --> 01:10:15,004 ♪ One more time For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1227 01:10:18,048 --> 01:10:20,009 Tell me a bit about the spirit of the tour. 1228 01:10:20,092 --> 01:10:22,469 - 'Cause you're doing new songs, right? - Yeah. 1229 01:10:22,553 --> 01:10:25,556 And a lot of people in the audience expected the old songs. 1230 01:10:25,639 --> 01:10:27,433 But Ratso, you know, that's the first-- 1231 01:10:27,516 --> 01:10:29,351 - one of the first rules-- - What's that? 1232 01:10:29,435 --> 01:10:30,811 The expectations, you know? 1233 01:10:30,895 --> 01:10:33,397 If you have big expectations, you're gonna be let down. 1234 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,399 You can't have any expectations. 1235 01:10:35,482 --> 01:10:37,151 But people do have preconceptions. 1236 01:10:37,234 --> 01:10:39,945 That's their problem, Ratso. That's their own problem. 1237 01:10:40,029 --> 01:10:42,615 We can't account for everybody who's walking around, you know? 1238 01:10:42,698 --> 01:10:44,116 Like having expectations. 1239 01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:45,618 I mean, who gives a shit? 1240 01:10:45,701 --> 01:10:46,869 Yeah. 1241 01:10:46,952 --> 01:10:50,122 ♪ They sat together in the park ♪ 1242 01:10:51,165 --> 01:10:53,751 ♪ As the evening sky got dark ♪ 1243 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,504 ♪ She looked at him and he felt a spark ♪ 1244 01:10:58,881 --> 01:11:01,383 ♪ Tingle to his bones ♪ 1245 01:11:02,801 --> 01:11:05,387 ♪ 'Twas then he felt alone ♪ 1246 01:11:06,639 --> 01:11:09,767 ♪ And he wished he'd gone straight ♪ 1247 01:11:11,018 --> 01:11:15,856 ♪ And watched out For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1248 01:11:19,902 --> 01:11:22,947 ♪ They walked along by the old canal ♪ 1249 01:11:23,989 --> 01:11:26,742 ♪ A little confused, I remember well ♪ 1250 01:11:28,118 --> 01:11:30,913 ♪ And stopped into a strange hotel ♪ 1251 01:11:31,497 --> 01:11:34,458 ♪ With a neon burnin' bright ♪ 1252 01:11:35,626 --> 01:11:38,629 ♪ He felt the heat of the night ♪ 1253 01:11:39,546 --> 01:11:43,968 ♪ Hit him like a freight train ♪ 1254 01:11:44,051 --> 01:11:48,806 ♪ Moving with a simple twist of fate ♪ 1255 01:11:52,935 --> 01:11:55,980 ♪ A saxophone someplace softly played ♪ 1256 01:11:56,897 --> 01:11:59,858 ♪ As she was walkin' on by the arcade ♪ 1257 01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:03,904 ♪ She heard the melody rise and fade ♪ 1258 01:12:04,613 --> 01:12:07,408 ♪ The sun was coming up ♪ 1259 01:12:08,242 --> 01:12:11,578 ♪ She dropped a coin into the cup ♪ 1260 01:12:12,371 --> 01:12:15,708 ♪ Of a blind man at the gate ♪ 1261 01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:21,714 ♪ And forgot about A simple twist of fate ♪ 1262 01:12:26,051 --> 01:12:29,138 ♪ He woke up, she was gone ♪ 1263 01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:32,766 ♪ He didn't see nothing but the dawn ♪ 1264 01:12:33,934 --> 01:12:37,104 ♪ He got out of bed And put his clothes back on ♪ 1265 01:12:38,188 --> 01:12:40,315 ♪ Pushed back the blinds ♪ 1266 01:12:41,275 --> 01:12:44,319 ♪ Found a note she'd left behind ♪ 1267 01:12:45,154 --> 01:12:48,657 ♪ To which he just could not relate ♪ 1268 01:12:50,242 --> 01:12:54,496 ♪ All about a simple twist of fate ♪ 1269 01:13:00,419 --> 01:13:03,881 ♪ He hears the ticking of the clocks ♪ 1270 01:13:04,506 --> 01:13:08,052 ♪ And walks alone Through the city blocks ♪ 1271 01:13:08,677 --> 01:13:11,889 ♪ Hunts her down by the waterfront docks ♪ 1272 01:13:11,972 --> 01:13:14,975 ♪ Where the sailors all roll in ♪ 1273 01:13:15,768 --> 01:13:19,021 ♪ Maybe he'll spot her once again ♪ 1274 01:13:19,521 --> 01:13:23,233 ♪ How long must he wait? ♪ 1275 01:13:24,818 --> 01:13:29,364 ♪ One more time For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1276 01:13:33,577 --> 01:13:36,205 ♪ People tell me it's a crime ♪ 1277 01:13:37,456 --> 01:13:40,667 ♪ To know too much for too long a time ♪ 1278 01:13:41,752 --> 01:13:45,005 ♪ She should've caught me in my prime ♪ 1279 01:13:45,756 --> 01:13:48,133 ♪ She would've stayed with me ♪ 1280 01:13:48,801 --> 01:13:52,054 ♪ Instead I'm going off to sea ♪ 1281 01:13:52,679 --> 01:13:56,558 ♪ And leaving me to meditate ♪ 1282 01:13:57,851 --> 01:14:03,107 ♪ Upon that simple twist of fate ♪ 1283 01:14:53,532 --> 01:14:56,952 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 1284 01:14:57,035 --> 01:14:59,955 Vice President Ford will be sworn in as president 1285 01:15:00,455 --> 01:15:03,083 at that hour in this office. 1286 01:15:03,167 --> 01:15:06,920 ♪ I dreamed I saw Saint Augustine ♪ 1287 01:15:07,004 --> 01:15:10,132 ♪ Alive as you or me... ♪ 1288 01:15:10,215 --> 01:15:13,302 Thomas Jefferson said, "The people... 1289 01:15:14,136 --> 01:15:18,849 are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." 1290 01:15:18,932 --> 01:15:22,895 ♪ With a blanket underneath his arm ♪ 1291 01:15:22,978 --> 01:15:25,022 ♪ And a coat of solid gold... ♪ 1292 01:15:25,105 --> 01:15:28,859 Abraham Lincoln renewed this American article of faith 1293 01:15:28,942 --> 01:15:34,072 asking, "Is there any better way or equal hope in the world?" 1294 01:15:34,156 --> 01:15:35,157 Go! 1295 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,075 Everybody get out of the way, now! 1296 01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:38,285 Get down! 1297 01:15:38,368 --> 01:15:39,411 Get out of the way! 1298 01:15:41,997 --> 01:15:45,417 ♪ Come out ye gifted kings and queens... ♪ 1299 01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:49,087 We've got too many people who are knocking every institution, 1300 01:15:49,171 --> 01:15:51,548 including the Congress, the president, the flag, 1301 01:15:51,632 --> 01:15:52,758 everything. 1302 01:15:52,841 --> 01:15:54,426 I think it's time to stand up and say, 1303 01:15:54,509 --> 01:15:57,554 "Well, we believe in these institutions, and we believe in America." 1304 01:15:58,263 --> 01:16:00,182 And I think America ought to sing a little bit. 1305 01:16:00,265 --> 01:16:01,850 ♪ ...accordingly ♪ 1306 01:16:01,934 --> 01:16:06,813 ♪ And know you're not alone ♪ 1307 01:16:10,275 --> 01:16:12,861 Now, we're talking about Bob Dylan the man, 1308 01:16:12,945 --> 01:16:15,864 that's who we're talking about, the message he preaches when he sings... 1309 01:16:15,948 --> 01:16:18,200 - You can't use microscopes on everything. - The happiness... 1310 01:16:18,283 --> 01:16:19,576 You're not using microscopes. 1311 01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:22,454 - You can't use a scalpel that way. - You're using the message. 1312 01:16:22,996 --> 01:16:24,998 I thought it was sort of depressing... 1313 01:16:25,582 --> 01:16:28,710 that people would stand in line for two days to see a man. 1314 01:16:28,794 --> 01:16:30,170 It just so-- shows... 1315 01:16:31,922 --> 01:16:34,591 they have that need for something or somebody to... 1316 01:16:36,843 --> 01:16:39,346 bring salvation or something. You know? 1317 01:16:40,013 --> 01:16:41,181 But I did it, too. 1318 01:16:42,224 --> 01:16:43,350 I don't know. 1319 01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:46,061 About five in the afternoon, the day before the show, right? 1320 01:16:46,144 --> 01:16:47,020 - Yeah. - You were there, 1321 01:16:47,104 --> 01:16:49,606 you'd been there for a couple of days, you hit on me right away. 1322 01:16:49,690 --> 01:16:51,233 You said you wanted this button, right? 1323 01:16:51,316 --> 01:16:52,985 Thought I was Dylan or some shit like that. 1324 01:16:53,068 --> 01:16:54,611 - Yeah, right. Mm-hmm. - Yeah. 1325 01:16:55,195 --> 01:16:57,698 A lot of people think you are, Larry. 1326 01:16:57,781 --> 01:17:00,284 Well, it's pretty obvious. 1327 01:17:00,367 --> 01:17:02,369 Take your glasses off for a minute. 1328 01:17:03,495 --> 01:17:05,580 - I'm not him. - Well, anyways... 1329 01:17:05,664 --> 01:17:08,834 That little shit Ratso, he was the worst. 1330 01:17:08,917 --> 01:17:11,545 He dressed like Dylan, he tried to talk like Dylan, 1331 01:17:11,628 --> 01:17:13,588 always trying to ingratiate himself. 1332 01:17:13,672 --> 01:17:15,132 He thought he was Hunter Thompson 1333 01:17:15,215 --> 01:17:17,509 just because he was writing for Rolling Stone. 1334 01:17:17,592 --> 01:17:20,304 He didn't want anyone else with vision around. 1335 01:17:21,263 --> 01:17:23,307 Did he wind up causing problems for you? 1336 01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:24,599 Please. 1337 01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:27,644 Does the cockroach really cause problems for the house? 1338 01:17:27,728 --> 01:17:29,396 No, it's just a nuisance. 1339 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,898 Van Dorp was an unusual guy. 1340 01:17:32,482 --> 01:17:35,444 He's one of those kind of people who's trying to... just needs an enemy. 1341 01:17:35,527 --> 01:17:36,361 And... 1342 01:17:36,445 --> 01:17:39,614 uh, he was trying to make enemies where there weren't any, 1343 01:17:39,698 --> 01:17:42,284 and, uh, he-- he was-- 1344 01:17:42,367 --> 01:17:43,994 he was successful at that. 1345 01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:49,791 He-- He angered a lot-- lots of people, especially in catering. 1346 01:17:49,875 --> 01:17:53,086 He would eat two or three, uh, meals 1347 01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:56,465 that really... really were for somebody else. 1348 01:17:57,841 --> 01:18:00,469 So, he ate more than he was supposed to, 1349 01:18:01,053 --> 01:18:03,013 and I think-- and I think he... 1350 01:18:05,557 --> 01:18:10,187 ...uh, I think he stuck his nose in places it might've should not have been. 1351 01:18:11,688 --> 01:18:13,523 He was also a very paranoid person. 1352 01:18:14,274 --> 01:18:16,568 Complained to people that his room was bugged. 1353 01:18:17,736 --> 01:18:21,114 Uh, which, you know, McGuinn was on that tour, 1354 01:18:21,198 --> 01:18:26,411 and McGuinn who at that point was into, uh, very sophisticated electronics. 1355 01:18:26,495 --> 01:18:28,497 So I'm not saying it wasn't bugged but... 1356 01:18:29,289 --> 01:18:31,458 but I'm not saying that it was bugged, 1357 01:18:31,541 --> 01:18:33,126 because I don't know that for a fact. 1358 01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:35,295 All tickets are $8.50 a ticket. 1359 01:18:36,046 --> 01:18:37,964 What were the audiences like... 1360 01:18:38,048 --> 01:18:39,132 that you played to? 1361 01:18:41,385 --> 01:18:43,637 Well, they would all be... 1362 01:18:44,679 --> 01:18:45,847 hysterically happy. 1363 01:18:46,431 --> 01:18:48,183 So, I mean, you can't really judge much 1364 01:18:48,266 --> 01:18:50,310 from saying, "What would the audiences be like?" 1365 01:18:50,394 --> 01:18:53,563 They would all be people who would've slit each other's throats to get there. 1366 01:19:04,449 --> 01:19:07,494 - Don't make myths. A couple of what? - A couple of what? 1367 01:19:18,547 --> 01:19:23,218 ♪ They say ev'rything can be replaced ♪ 1368 01:19:26,471 --> 01:19:30,350 ♪ That ev'ry distance is not near ♪ 1369 01:19:33,728 --> 01:19:37,899 ♪ So I remember ev'ry face ♪ 1370 01:19:41,027 --> 01:19:45,073 ♪ Of ev'ryman who put me here ♪ 1371 01:19:45,615 --> 01:19:47,784 Joan Baez and me could sing anything. 1372 01:19:48,660 --> 01:19:50,579 We could sing together in our sleep. 1373 01:19:51,455 --> 01:19:52,581 As a matter of fact, 1374 01:19:53,123 --> 01:19:55,959 lot of times when I was sleeping, I'd hear her voice. 1375 01:19:58,170 --> 01:20:01,923 ♪ Yonder down here in this lonely crowd ♪ 1376 01:20:05,677 --> 01:20:09,931 ♪ Is a man who swears he's not to blame ♪ 1377 01:20:13,518 --> 01:20:17,981 ♪ All day long I hear him shouting loud ♪ 1378 01:20:20,817 --> 01:20:25,071 ♪ Crying out that he'd been framed ♪ 1379 01:20:27,657 --> 01:20:29,075 ♪ I see my light...♪ 1380 01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:31,161 Joan was so courageous. 1381 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,038 Self-disciplined. 1382 01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:37,292 When I first met her, it seemed like she'd come down to Earth from a meteorite. 1383 01:20:37,918 --> 01:20:38,877 And she's never changed. 1384 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,880 She always seems like she's just come down from a meteorite. 1385 01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:49,346 You had no reservations about going on tour? 1386 01:20:49,971 --> 01:20:51,014 Well... 1387 01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:53,058 Sure. 1388 01:20:53,808 --> 01:20:54,643 I mean... 1389 01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:00,857 I think it probably sounded like... fun, but I also had experienced Dylan, 1390 01:21:00,941 --> 01:21:04,528 and, you know, how much fun that can be on any tour or not. 1391 01:21:04,986 --> 01:21:05,904 So, um... 1392 01:21:06,446 --> 01:21:09,658 But I think, know-- knowing that it was gonna be a lot of people, 1393 01:21:09,741 --> 01:21:13,036 and I was gonna have my own family with me... 1394 01:21:17,666 --> 01:21:20,418 It sounded exciting, you know. 1395 01:21:30,428 --> 01:21:32,055 I had my own freedom... 1396 01:21:32,138 --> 01:21:35,892 to sing and dance in a way that I didn't do on my own stage. 1397 01:21:42,857 --> 01:21:44,734 Maybe there wasn't enough for her to do 1398 01:21:44,818 --> 01:21:46,444 and she'd begin to go a little stir-crazy. 1399 01:21:46,528 --> 01:21:47,654 Started doing, uh... 1400 01:21:47,737 --> 01:21:51,449 boogaloo and hanging out with people maybe she shouldn't be hanging out with, 1401 01:21:51,533 --> 01:21:52,534 and, um... 1402 01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:54,286 Ugh. 1403 01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:56,955 I don't know what happened. 1404 01:21:58,415 --> 01:22:00,917 Boy, sitting right next to Bob Dylan, man. Whew. 1405 01:22:01,001 --> 01:22:03,044 I got a light if you got a smoke. 1406 01:22:03,753 --> 01:22:06,131 One time, I got all dressed up as Bob, 1407 01:22:06,214 --> 01:22:08,008 which I would do periodically. 1408 01:22:08,091 --> 01:22:11,595 I used to put these little beard markings all over and have a mustache on. 1409 01:22:11,678 --> 01:22:14,055 And then I'd put his hat on 1410 01:22:14,598 --> 01:22:16,099 and some whiteface. 1411 01:22:16,182 --> 01:22:18,268 ♪ All the time you dress so fine ♪ 1412 01:22:19,644 --> 01:22:22,772 ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime... ♪ 1413 01:22:22,856 --> 01:22:25,650 I walked over with nobody really paying attention, 1414 01:22:25,734 --> 01:22:27,193 and I'd be Bob. 1415 01:22:27,277 --> 01:22:31,281 And there was this table of, like, food and catering and coffee, 1416 01:22:31,364 --> 01:22:33,241 and Louie was there, and I said... 1417 01:22:33,325 --> 01:22:35,243 "Handsome, give me some coffee." 1418 01:22:35,994 --> 01:22:38,580 Instantly, people got me some coffee like that. 1419 01:22:39,164 --> 01:22:42,042 "D'you want this? D'you want this? You want milk? Do you want sugar?" 1420 01:22:42,125 --> 01:22:44,961 And I just had a cigarette in my hand, going like that, 1421 01:22:45,045 --> 01:22:47,047 and they treated me the way they treat Bob. 1422 01:22:47,130 --> 01:22:49,090 "D'you want this? D'you want that? What can we do?" 1423 01:22:49,174 --> 01:22:50,300 It was amazing. 1424 01:22:51,009 --> 01:22:53,887 It was amazing until finally I said something like, 1425 01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:57,223 "Oh, for Christ sake, Louie." And then he realized. 1426 01:22:57,307 --> 01:23:00,602 Oh, yeah, and I had a little wig on with my hair coming out underneath it. 1427 01:23:00,685 --> 01:23:02,937 Terrible. 1428 01:23:06,358 --> 01:23:09,778 It's like the court of Henry VIII or something, you know? 1429 01:23:09,861 --> 01:23:12,864 Who's Anne Boleyn, you know? Which one is gonna get the ax, you know? 1430 01:23:12,947 --> 01:23:16,493 You know what I mean? You know, there's that kind of dynamic. 1431 01:23:16,576 --> 01:23:18,912 And people are maneuvering to get closer, 1432 01:23:18,995 --> 01:23:21,831 and then there are the people who are using you to maneuver. 1433 01:23:21,915 --> 01:23:25,126 David Mansfield wanted to sing a song with me, uh... 1434 01:23:25,210 --> 01:23:27,170 Ugh. God. 1435 01:23:27,253 --> 01:23:29,756 That, uh, a drummer did. 1436 01:23:29,839 --> 01:23:32,050 I didn't see what the point of it all was. 1437 01:23:33,718 --> 01:23:37,097 - What does makeup do for you? - I don't know. 1438 01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:39,808 Just hides, you know, the ugliness a little bit. 1439 01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:45,855 Everyone, of course, you know, wanted their shot, 1440 01:23:45,939 --> 01:23:47,482 wanted their time in the sun. 1441 01:23:48,358 --> 01:23:50,944 But we all know that, you know, you have to... 1442 01:23:51,027 --> 01:23:52,612 give for the good of the show. 1443 01:23:52,696 --> 01:23:54,781 And it was such an honor to be there, 1444 01:23:55,865 --> 01:23:57,325 so that was no problem. 1445 01:24:02,122 --> 01:24:04,708 Who were the people you were closest with on the tour? 1446 01:24:04,791 --> 01:24:07,585 I know this sounds funny, but I felt close to Bob. 1447 01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:11,297 I just always felt close to him from the moment I met him. 1448 01:24:11,381 --> 01:24:14,300 Um, I'm sure many people that feel that way. 1449 01:24:15,135 --> 01:24:16,136 Um... 1450 01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:20,098 I know Mick Ronson told me, however, when I said, um... 1451 01:24:21,015 --> 01:24:23,309 you know, "Don't you love Bob?" and he said, "I don't know. 1452 01:24:23,393 --> 01:24:24,644 He's never spoken to me." 1453 01:24:26,146 --> 01:24:29,399 Um, and then once we were in Massachusetts, 1454 01:24:29,941 --> 01:24:31,568 and people were about to arrive. 1455 01:24:31,651 --> 01:24:34,529 I don't know who they were, but not our little group. 1456 01:24:35,029 --> 01:24:38,658 Bob and I were alone in the basement, and Bob said, "Ronee, help." 1457 01:24:38,742 --> 01:24:39,951 And I said, "Help what?" 1458 01:24:41,202 --> 01:24:45,165 And-- And I felt so bad about that afterwards because I didn't mean to be... 1459 01:24:45,874 --> 01:24:49,878 cruel or thoughtless to Bob, but I always thought, you know, 1460 01:24:49,961 --> 01:24:51,963 I had to treat him just like a regular person 1461 01:24:52,046 --> 01:24:53,923 if I were going to be friends with him. 1462 01:24:55,842 --> 01:24:59,971 But later on, I understood a little more what he might be asking help for. 1463 01:25:00,054 --> 01:25:01,389 What was he asking help for? 1464 01:25:01,473 --> 01:25:03,308 I think the onslaught of strangers. 1465 01:25:05,185 --> 01:25:07,437 Hello, take my picture, please! 1466 01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,605 Hiya, man. 1467 01:25:13,985 --> 01:25:18,823 I was in the park with another one of my modeling jobs. 1468 01:25:19,449 --> 01:25:21,451 Of course, the whole park is full of everybody doing 1469 01:25:21,534 --> 01:25:25,872 whatever they're doing, and suddenly I hear, "Hey, KISS," 1470 01:25:25,955 --> 01:25:27,916 and I'm just, of course, mortified. 1471 01:25:27,999 --> 01:25:29,417 And then I realize... 1472 01:25:30,001 --> 01:25:31,711 that it's him. 1473 01:25:31,795 --> 01:25:34,464 So, of course, I'm even more mortified. 1474 01:25:35,965 --> 01:25:38,134 I think I met her with her mother. 1475 01:25:38,218 --> 01:25:39,552 She was a nice girl. 1476 01:25:39,636 --> 01:25:40,470 Uh... 1477 01:25:41,554 --> 01:25:43,306 She was so young, anyway, you know. 1478 01:25:44,849 --> 01:25:46,351 But she seemed old for her age. 1479 01:25:48,603 --> 01:25:50,980 Everybody wants to be a movie star... 1480 01:25:51,064 --> 01:25:51,940 don't they? 1481 01:25:52,982 --> 01:25:55,777 But, you know, when you live in the middle of nowhere, 1482 01:25:55,860 --> 01:25:58,571 when you tell somebody you wanna be a movie star, they think you're... 1483 01:25:59,322 --> 01:26:00,156 insane. 1484 01:26:02,033 --> 01:26:04,160 She, uh, used to tell me, 1485 01:26:04,244 --> 01:26:06,746 uh, someday she's going to be a famous actress. 1486 01:26:07,539 --> 01:26:08,498 Uh, okay. 1487 01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:11,835 A couple of days later he said, um... 1488 01:26:13,211 --> 01:26:14,295 "You know, hey... 1489 01:26:15,713 --> 01:26:19,467 how about if you just come on the road with us?" 1490 01:26:21,302 --> 01:26:24,681 And I thought, "And do what?" 1491 01:26:27,058 --> 01:26:29,686 "You know, you could help out with the costumes 1492 01:26:29,769 --> 01:26:32,397 and help out backstage and stuff." 1493 01:26:33,481 --> 01:26:36,484 - "Just Like a Woman." - What? 1494 01:26:36,568 --> 01:26:38,778 - "Just Like a Woman"? - Yeah! 1495 01:26:38,862 --> 01:26:41,322 - Do we know that song? - I don't know, we could fake it. 1496 01:26:41,406 --> 01:26:43,449 It was one of the first shows. 1497 01:26:44,284 --> 01:26:46,995 - I was backstage. - ...we'll try it. 1498 01:26:47,078 --> 01:26:49,289 Joan Baez had asked me to iron her shirt. 1499 01:26:50,248 --> 01:26:53,710 A second later I hear, "Hey... Sharon." 1500 01:26:54,794 --> 01:26:58,882 And there was this, um, really decrepit old piano 1501 01:26:58,965 --> 01:27:03,887 shoved off to the side, and Bob was kinda hunched over it. 1502 01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:06,097 And he gives me that-- that look. 1503 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,351 He's like, "I wrote a song about you." 1504 01:27:10,852 --> 01:27:15,773 ♪ Nobody feels any pain ♪ 1505 01:27:18,276 --> 01:27:23,031 ♪ Tonight as I stand inside the rain ♪ 1506 01:27:24,282 --> 01:27:26,159 And then he gets to the line... 1507 01:27:26,868 --> 01:27:32,206 ♪ And she makes love just like a woman ♪ 1508 01:27:34,042 --> 01:27:36,169 ♪ But she breaks ♪ 1509 01:27:36,794 --> 01:27:42,467 ♪ Just like a little girl ♪ 1510 01:27:44,636 --> 01:27:49,891 I just broke out crying. You know? Full-on tears. 1511 01:27:49,974 --> 01:27:53,144 I get-- I think T Bone's the one who told me that the song was... 1512 01:27:53,227 --> 01:27:55,688 ten years old. 1513 01:27:55,772 --> 01:27:57,315 "Just Like a Woman." 1514 01:27:57,398 --> 01:27:59,317 Yeah! 1515 01:27:59,776 --> 01:28:01,110 What's just like a woman? 1516 01:28:01,194 --> 01:28:02,695 What's just like a woman? 1517 01:28:02,779 --> 01:28:05,448 Nothin' like a woman. 1518 01:28:11,537 --> 01:28:13,206 Do a protest song! 1519 01:28:17,961 --> 01:28:19,420 Yeah, here's the one for you. 1520 01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:50,284 ♪ Oh, sister, when I come To lie in your arms ♪ 1521 01:28:52,453 --> 01:28:57,083 ♪ You should not treat me Like a stranger ♪ 1522 01:28:59,627 --> 01:29:05,466 ♪ Our Father would not like The way that you act ♪ 1523 01:29:06,759 --> 01:29:11,806 ♪ And you must realize the danger ♪ 1524 01:29:42,628 --> 01:29:47,383 ♪ Oh, sister, am I not a brother to you ♪ 1525 01:29:49,761 --> 01:29:55,099 ♪ And one deserving of affection? ♪ 1526 01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:02,398 ♪ And is our purpose not the same On this earth ♪ 1527 01:30:04,150 --> 01:30:09,197 ♪ To love and follow His direction? ♪ 1528 01:30:39,519 --> 01:30:42,188 ♪ We grew up together ♪ 1529 01:30:42,271 --> 01:30:45,233 ♪ From the cradle to the grave ♪ 1530 01:30:46,317 --> 01:30:49,112 ♪ We died and were reborn ♪ 1531 01:30:49,195 --> 01:30:56,160 ♪ And then mysteriously saved ♪ 1532 01:31:01,999 --> 01:31:07,213 ♪ Oh, sister, when I come To knock on your door ♪ 1533 01:31:08,965 --> 01:31:14,053 ♪ Don't turn away, you'll create sorrow ♪ 1534 01:31:15,972 --> 01:31:21,269 ♪ Time is an ocean But it ends at the shore ♪ 1535 01:31:23,020 --> 01:31:27,650 ♪ You may not see me tomorrow ♪ 1536 01:32:06,814 --> 01:32:08,858 Bob Dylan for president! 1537 01:32:11,527 --> 01:32:13,112 President of what? 1538 01:32:15,615 --> 01:32:18,159 Was he in a special mode of singing at that time? 1539 01:32:18,242 --> 01:32:20,203 Was he different than you'd seen him before? 1540 01:32:20,286 --> 01:32:22,413 It was-- There was a Rolling Thunder energy. 1541 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,250 That was his invention, you know, and all these people showed up. 1542 01:32:26,876 --> 01:32:27,752 So, yeah. 1543 01:32:31,214 --> 01:32:33,674 - What do you got, Larry? - The tour was very open-ended, 1544 01:32:33,758 --> 01:32:36,302 so whatever city they went to, 1545 01:32:36,385 --> 01:32:38,721 if there was a local friend and musician, 1546 01:32:38,804 --> 01:32:40,848 there would be a slot for them to come up and play. 1547 01:32:40,932 --> 01:32:43,601 For example, uh, in Connecticut, Joni Mitchell... 1548 01:32:44,185 --> 01:32:46,312 came up, did a couple of songs, 1549 01:32:46,395 --> 01:32:48,898 and loved it so much that she stayed on for the rest of the tour. 1550 01:32:48,981 --> 01:32:51,359 She just became part of the... this experience. 1551 01:32:56,781 --> 01:32:58,908 How did you two end up on the road? 1552 01:32:58,991 --> 01:33:00,451 - I don't know-- - I came through Allen. 1553 01:33:00,534 --> 01:33:02,411 She came through Allen Ginsberg. 1554 01:33:02,495 --> 01:33:05,456 Um... I had finished a project and... 1555 01:33:06,165 --> 01:33:06,999 was, you know, 1556 01:33:07,083 --> 01:33:08,793 in a kind of a postnatal state 1557 01:33:08,876 --> 01:33:11,587 and wanted to come and see a concert, 1558 01:33:11,671 --> 01:33:14,340 and, uh, got sucked into it. 1559 01:33:14,423 --> 01:33:17,009 You know, just shelved everything that... 1560 01:33:17,551 --> 01:33:20,680 Everything else seemed, uh, minorly important 1561 01:33:20,763 --> 01:33:23,015 compared to this, like, as an experience, 1562 01:33:23,099 --> 01:33:27,061 and an experiment in communal existence. You know? 1563 01:33:27,937 --> 01:33:28,980 What do you think? 1564 01:33:29,063 --> 01:33:31,482 I think you've gotta come on the stage right now. 1565 01:33:31,565 --> 01:33:32,984 Okay, I'm coming. 1566 01:33:34,402 --> 01:33:37,280 ♪ Ah ♪ 1567 01:33:47,873 --> 01:33:50,751 Some days, I'd see it as this kind of allegorical thing 1568 01:33:50,835 --> 01:33:55,256 or as this group of pilgrims on a kind of journey and quest. 1569 01:33:55,339 --> 01:33:58,884 Of course, you-- you know, you-- the deal is you find yourself back home, 1570 01:33:58,968 --> 01:34:00,928 but you have to take this whole journey. 1571 01:34:01,470 --> 01:34:04,515 And then when you open it up to, you know, here you are in America, 1572 01:34:04,598 --> 01:34:07,852 and-- and all the things that Bob seemed to care about 1573 01:34:07,935 --> 01:34:10,521 in terms of these other... the-- the folk culture 1574 01:34:10,604 --> 01:34:12,273 is getting thrown in there. 1575 01:34:14,525 --> 01:34:16,736 And that's another weave. This sort of... 1576 01:34:16,819 --> 01:34:20,448 This-- This American yearning for, I don't know, redemption. 1577 01:34:21,866 --> 01:34:26,120 ♪... circle be unbroken ♪ 1578 01:34:26,203 --> 01:34:30,583 ♪ By and by, Lord, by and by ♪ 1579 01:34:31,584 --> 01:34:32,752 ♪ There's a better... ♪ 1580 01:34:32,835 --> 01:34:36,505 Columbus didn't discover America. There were people here already. 1581 01:34:36,589 --> 01:34:40,468 Even though they stole most everything they could get their hands on. 1582 01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:46,057 Our land, children, women, whatever, they took it. 1583 01:34:46,849 --> 01:34:48,809 Left us very poor people. 1584 01:34:48,893 --> 01:34:51,395 A lot of our people homeless in our own country. 1585 01:34:52,313 --> 01:34:54,190 But the best things of all, 1586 01:34:55,066 --> 01:34:56,359 that they had no value, 1587 01:34:56,942 --> 01:34:58,778 was our way of life. 1588 01:35:06,494 --> 01:35:09,622 It's beautiful music when that thunder rolls. 1589 01:35:10,873 --> 01:35:13,209 And that's the way I got my name. 1590 01:35:13,292 --> 01:35:16,837 I used to scream like a little eagle is what they told me. 1591 01:35:16,921 --> 01:35:20,925 Even when I was a baby in diapers, run right out in the storm. 1592 01:35:21,717 --> 01:35:22,676 Yeah, I love it. 1593 01:35:23,260 --> 01:35:26,972 And that lightning flash, there's a lot of power in it, I tell you. 1594 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,019 This tour was named after Chief Rolling Thunder. 1595 01:35:32,478 --> 01:35:37,566 So, it made sense that we go to the Tuscarora Indian Reservation and... 1596 01:35:38,984 --> 01:35:40,027 and play. 1597 01:35:40,111 --> 01:35:42,154 We're gonna let our guests get their food. 1598 01:35:42,238 --> 01:35:45,825 I was just told it's gonna be cafeteria style. 1599 01:35:46,534 --> 01:35:48,911 Bob was seated right across the table from me, 1600 01:35:48,994 --> 01:35:49,954 and he said, 1601 01:35:50,037 --> 01:35:54,542 "You remember Peter's song about Ira Hayes?" 1602 01:35:55,376 --> 01:35:59,046 And even today, there are things to write about... 1603 01:36:00,047 --> 01:36:02,216 for a cowboy, and I'm a cowboy. 1604 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,052 An Indian, and I'm part Indian. 1605 01:36:05,136 --> 01:36:06,595 Or a human being. 1606 01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:09,682 This is a song about a human being, 1607 01:36:11,183 --> 01:36:12,768 who is also an Indian. 1608 01:36:15,354 --> 01:36:17,648 And if you don't remember his name, 1609 01:36:18,399 --> 01:36:21,527 I think you may after this song. 1610 01:36:21,610 --> 01:36:24,530 It's called "Ira Hayes." 1611 01:36:30,953 --> 01:36:34,290 - Where would you want me to stand? - Anywhere you want. It'll be all right. 1612 01:36:57,938 --> 01:37:01,859 ♪ Come gather 'round me, people And a story I will tell ♪ 1613 01:37:02,693 --> 01:37:06,864 ♪ About Ira Hayes, an Indian You should remember well ♪ 1614 01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:12,453 ♪ From the tribe of Pima Indians A proud and a peaceful band ♪ 1615 01:37:13,287 --> 01:37:17,291 ♪ They farmed the Phoenix Valley In the Arizona land ♪ 1616 01:37:18,834 --> 01:37:23,797 ♪ Down their ditches for a thousand years The running water rushed ♪ 1617 01:37:23,881 --> 01:37:26,467 ♪ Till the white man Stole the water rights ♪ 1618 01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:28,511 ♪ And the running water hushed ♪ 1619 01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:36,519 ♪ Now Ira's folks were hungry And their farms grew crops of weeds ♪ 1620 01:37:37,353 --> 01:37:42,608 ♪ But when war came, Ira volunteered And forgot the white man's greed ♪ 1621 01:37:43,609 --> 01:37:48,113 ♪ Now they started up Iwo Jima hill With two hundred and fifty men ♪ 1622 01:37:48,864 --> 01:37:53,202 ♪ But only twenty-seven lived To walk back down that hill again ♪ 1623 01:37:53,786 --> 01:37:58,040 ♪ And when the fight was over And Old Glory raised ♪ 1624 01:37:58,791 --> 01:38:02,920 ♪ One of the men that held it high Was the Indian Ira Hayes ♪ 1625 01:38:03,837 --> 01:38:06,549 ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪ 1626 01:38:06,632 --> 01:38:08,634 ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪ 1627 01:38:09,385 --> 01:38:11,512 ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪ 1628 01:38:11,595 --> 01:38:13,973 ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪ 1629 01:38:14,765 --> 01:38:17,351 ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪ 1630 01:38:17,434 --> 01:38:19,728 ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪ 1631 01:38:20,396 --> 01:38:22,690 ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪ 1632 01:38:22,773 --> 01:38:25,484 ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪ 1633 01:38:26,694 --> 01:38:29,905 This is a United States diplomatic medal. 1634 01:38:30,489 --> 01:38:32,324 It has-- It has, uh... 1635 01:38:33,367 --> 01:38:38,497 an Indian and the first diplomatic team of-- of the United States, 1636 01:38:38,581 --> 01:38:43,752 was given in Philadelphia on July the 4th, 1776. 1637 01:38:44,587 --> 01:38:47,506 Also, been told that there's a possibility 1638 01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:49,800 that these could be the same beads, 1639 01:38:49,883 --> 01:38:52,761 these, uh, larger ones, that Peter Minuit 1640 01:38:53,512 --> 01:38:56,599 traded the-- our people for Manhattan Island. 1641 01:38:56,682 --> 01:38:59,143 Will you accept this? 1642 01:39:00,728 --> 01:39:02,646 Thanks for everything. What do you say, folks? 1643 01:39:05,024 --> 01:39:06,775 But somewhere along the line, 1644 01:39:06,859 --> 01:39:08,402 something has failed, and... 1645 01:39:08,485 --> 01:39:12,197 we hope that this country can straighten out before too long, 1646 01:39:12,281 --> 01:39:15,618 because there are many things that's going to happen to shape 1647 01:39:15,701 --> 01:39:17,536 not only this country but the world. 1648 01:39:19,163 --> 01:39:19,997 Bob. 1649 01:39:21,165 --> 01:39:22,916 What you-- You guys still here? 1650 01:39:24,376 --> 01:39:26,337 Can I ask just one question? 1651 01:39:32,593 --> 01:39:35,679 ♪ William Zanzinger Killed poor Hattie Carroll ♪ 1652 01:39:36,347 --> 01:39:40,225 ♪ With a cane that he twirled Round his diamond ring finger ♪ 1653 01:39:40,309 --> 01:39:43,729 ♪ At a Baltimore hotel Society gath'rin' ♪ 1654 01:39:44,313 --> 01:39:48,192 ♪ And the cops were called in And his weapon took from him ♪ 1655 01:39:48,275 --> 01:39:51,987 ♪ As they rode him in custody Down to the station ♪ 1656 01:39:52,071 --> 01:39:56,283 ♪ And booked William Zanzinger For first-degree murder ♪ 1657 01:39:59,161 --> 01:40:02,998 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪ 1658 01:40:03,082 --> 01:40:06,001 ♪ And criticize all fear ♪ 1659 01:40:07,252 --> 01:40:11,256 ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪ 1660 01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:14,760 ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪ 1661 01:40:20,307 --> 01:40:24,687 Everything is forgiven whenever I would see Bob sing. 1662 01:40:25,771 --> 01:40:27,439 It is so... 1663 01:40:27,523 --> 01:40:28,857 the charisma... 1664 01:40:29,942 --> 01:40:32,319 that he has, I've never seen anywhere, 1665 01:40:32,945 --> 01:40:34,321 before or since. 1666 01:40:35,197 --> 01:40:38,075 And the beauty of those songs... 1667 01:40:39,952 --> 01:40:41,078 I don't. 1668 01:40:41,161 --> 01:40:43,580 Jack Kerouac, uh, writes like ticker tape. 1669 01:40:44,581 --> 01:40:46,709 I used to see you write like ticker tape. 1670 01:40:47,668 --> 01:40:51,255 I used to feed you salad and red wine while you wrote like ticker tape. 1671 01:40:51,839 --> 01:40:52,715 Yeah, I remember. 1672 01:40:52,798 --> 01:40:55,008 Brilliant stuff. William Zanzinger. 1673 01:40:55,092 --> 01:40:57,177 Overlooking the Pacific. 1674 01:40:57,886 --> 01:41:00,097 The wild Pacific Ocean in Big Sur, right? 1675 01:41:00,180 --> 01:41:02,057 - William Zanzinger. - Where was that written? 1676 01:41:02,141 --> 01:41:04,768 "Hattie Carroll." One of the best songs I think you ever wrote. 1677 01:41:04,852 --> 01:41:06,520 I think it's one of the best songs you sing. 1678 01:41:06,603 --> 01:41:09,898 Thank you. How come you take it on the stage now? 1679 01:41:09,982 --> 01:41:12,151 'Cause you won't sing it. 1680 01:41:13,277 --> 01:41:14,236 Oh, Bob. 1681 01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:16,113 Sure, I will. 1682 01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:18,991 Just 'cause I screwed up the words. 1683 01:41:19,074 --> 01:41:20,909 - Well, it really... - How do you like my dress? 1684 01:41:20,993 --> 01:41:23,704 ...displeases me that you-- that you went off and got married 1685 01:41:23,787 --> 01:41:25,038 and-- and, uh... 1686 01:41:26,665 --> 01:41:29,168 You went off and got married first and didn't tell me. 1687 01:41:29,710 --> 01:41:31,712 Yeah, but-- 1688 01:41:35,215 --> 01:41:38,427 - You should have told me or something. - But I married the woman I loved. 1689 01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:39,470 I know, that's true. 1690 01:41:40,596 --> 01:41:43,432 That's true. And I married the man I thought I loved. 1691 01:41:48,312 --> 01:41:50,272 See, that's what thought has to do with it. 1692 01:41:50,355 --> 01:41:51,857 Thought will fuck you up. 1693 01:41:53,233 --> 01:41:54,568 You're right. I agree with that. 1694 01:41:54,651 --> 01:41:56,904 See, it's heart, it's not-- it's not head. 1695 01:42:05,746 --> 01:42:08,582 ♪ Hattie Carroll was A maid of the kitchen ♪ 1696 01:42:08,665 --> 01:42:12,252 ♪ She was fifty-one years old And gave birth to ten children ♪ 1697 01:42:12,753 --> 01:42:16,840 ♪ She cleaned up the dishes Hauled out the garbage ♪ 1698 01:42:16,924 --> 01:42:19,843 ♪ And never sat once At the head of the table ♪ 1699 01:42:20,636 --> 01:42:23,972 ♪ She just cleaned up All the food from the table ♪ 1700 01:42:24,556 --> 01:42:27,851 ♪ And emptied the ashtrays On a whole other level ♪ 1701 01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:32,189 ♪ Got killed by a blow Lay slain by a cane ♪ 1702 01:42:32,272 --> 01:42:36,235 ♪ That sailed through the air And came down through the room ♪ 1703 01:42:36,318 --> 01:42:39,947 ♪ Doomed and determined To destroy all the gentle ♪ 1704 01:42:40,030 --> 01:42:43,909 ♪ And she never done nothing To William Zanzinger ♪ 1705 01:42:46,829 --> 01:42:53,544 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace And criticize all fears ♪ 1706 01:42:54,837 --> 01:42:58,799 ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪ 1707 01:42:58,882 --> 01:43:02,094 ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪ 1708 01:43:26,034 --> 01:43:29,580 ♪ In the courtroom of honor The judge pounded his gavel ♪ 1709 01:43:30,122 --> 01:43:33,834 ♪ To show that all's equal And that the courts are on the level ♪ 1710 01:43:33,917 --> 01:43:37,337 ♪ That the strings in the books Ain't pulled and persuaded ♪ 1711 01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,800 ♪ And that even the nobles Get properly handled ♪ 1712 01:43:41,884 --> 01:43:45,679 ♪ Once that the cops Have chased after and caught 'em ♪ 1713 01:43:45,762 --> 01:43:48,974 ♪ That the ladder of law Has no top and no bottom ♪ 1714 01:43:49,683 --> 01:43:53,437 ♪ Stared at the person Who killed for no reason ♪ 1715 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,399 ♪ Who just happened to be feelin' That way without warnin' ♪ 1716 01:43:57,482 --> 01:44:01,653 ♪ And he spoke through his cloak So deep and distinguished ♪ 1717 01:44:01,737 --> 01:44:05,365 ♪ Handed out strongly For penalty and repentance ♪ 1718 01:44:05,449 --> 01:44:09,411 ♪ William Zanzinger With a six-month sentence ♪ 1719 01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:15,876 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪ 1720 01:44:15,959 --> 01:44:18,879 ♪ And criticize all fear ♪ 1721 01:44:20,213 --> 01:44:24,092 ♪ Bury the rag deep in your face ♪ 1722 01:44:24,176 --> 01:44:27,179 ♪ Now is the time for your tears ♪ 1723 01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:53,705 ♪ But sleep won't come ♪ 1724 01:44:55,415 --> 01:44:57,542 ♪ The whole night through ♪ 1725 01:44:59,670 --> 01:45:03,882 ♪ Your cheatin' heart ♪ 1726 01:45:03,966 --> 01:45:05,926 ♪ Will tell on you ♪ 1727 01:45:08,345 --> 01:45:11,598 ♪ You'll walk the floor ♪ 1728 01:45:12,683 --> 01:45:15,268 ♪ And shout my name ♪ 1729 01:45:16,979 --> 01:45:18,438 The hours are creeping down. 1730 01:45:18,522 --> 01:45:21,149 - We got to get the story. - I'm getting it! 1731 01:45:21,233 --> 01:45:24,444 I'm only up all fuckin' night when the hours are creeping down. 1732 01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:27,072 Well, I mean, you had two fuckin' weeks, Larry. 1733 01:45:27,155 --> 01:45:27,990 To do what? 1734 01:45:28,073 --> 01:45:31,243 - To get a story, instead of-- - I gave you a story, I gave you-- 1735 01:45:31,326 --> 01:45:33,453 That had a lot of fuckin' holes in it. 1736 01:45:33,537 --> 01:45:35,956 - Well, but you're a bureaucrat. - Oh, bullshit. 1737 01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:37,916 - Where do you get that crap? - You ask-- 1738 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,960 You are a bureaucrat. You ask me fuckin'... 1739 01:45:40,043 --> 01:45:41,962 uh, Wall Street Journal questions. 1740 01:45:42,045 --> 01:45:44,006 - Bullshit. - Those are the questions-- 1741 01:45:44,089 --> 01:45:45,799 Everybody in the fuckin' country wants to know-- 1742 01:45:45,882 --> 01:45:49,428 You're asking me music business questions, man. 1743 01:45:49,511 --> 01:45:50,679 That's part of it, isn't it? 1744 01:45:50,762 --> 01:45:52,431 But that's not what the kids wanna read. 1745 01:45:52,514 --> 01:45:55,308 - How do you know? - I know kids, man! I ask them. 1746 01:45:55,392 --> 01:45:59,146 ♪ ...and call my name ♪ 1747 01:45:59,229 --> 01:46:02,315 Rolling Stone magazine was interested in the economics, 1748 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:04,317 how much are these people getting paid... 1749 01:46:04,401 --> 01:46:07,112 You know, why are they playing bigger halls as the tour went on? 1750 01:46:07,195 --> 01:46:09,156 Those were the kind of questions they were asking, 1751 01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:10,657 and I didn't give a shit about that. 1752 01:46:10,741 --> 01:46:14,745 I mean, what I was concerned with was, you know, chronicling this... 1753 01:46:15,620 --> 01:46:17,497 this, uh, cultural event. 1754 01:46:18,874 --> 01:46:21,209 - Can I offer you a beer? - Sure. 1755 01:46:23,211 --> 01:46:24,963 - There we go. - Thank you. 1756 01:46:26,339 --> 01:46:29,009 There ain't too many Medicis around these days, 1757 01:46:29,092 --> 01:46:32,304 and whether you're out on the road with a lot of people, 1758 01:46:32,387 --> 01:46:33,680 or you're making a movie, 1759 01:46:33,764 --> 01:46:37,059 or any kind of creative endeavor that takes resources, 1760 01:46:37,893 --> 01:46:38,894 you need money. 1761 01:46:38,977 --> 01:46:41,438 And you gotta go to somebody who believes 1762 01:46:41,521 --> 01:46:44,524 that they're gonna get their money back and maybe a little more. 1763 01:46:44,608 --> 01:46:47,611 So, yeah, there's always this natural tension 1764 01:46:47,694 --> 01:46:48,945 between art and commerce. 1765 01:46:49,029 --> 01:46:51,031 Okay, how 'bout-- We gotta cut one of Jack's. 1766 01:46:51,114 --> 01:46:54,201 - He says to cut "Muleskinner." - He wants to cut "Muleskinner." 1767 01:46:54,284 --> 01:46:56,244 All right. Okay. 1768 01:46:57,079 --> 01:46:58,747 I'll talk to Bob about this. 1769 01:46:59,748 --> 01:47:02,542 - All right, Allen's gonna do something? - Five minutes. Very brief. 1770 01:47:02,626 --> 01:47:05,378 You got a whole different audience. Did you look at those people? 1771 01:47:05,462 --> 01:47:08,381 They're not familiar with Dylan or Baez or anybody else. 1772 01:47:08,465 --> 01:47:09,299 Right. 1773 01:47:09,382 --> 01:47:11,718 If you go up and spill poetry for any length of time, 1774 01:47:11,802 --> 01:47:13,762 they're gonna be, you know, gone, you know? 1775 01:47:13,845 --> 01:47:15,347 Make it two minutes, Allen. 1776 01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:17,265 Two minutes is plenty, I'm telling you. 1777 01:47:17,349 --> 01:47:18,892 - Okay. - What about more cuts? 1778 01:47:18,975 --> 01:47:20,894 - Two minutes. - We're still cutting. 1779 01:47:20,977 --> 01:47:23,230 The show was originally three hours. 1780 01:47:23,313 --> 01:47:26,399 Ginsberg, who appeared in the show originally, 1781 01:47:27,025 --> 01:47:30,612 there was not enough time for him to perform during the show, 1782 01:47:30,695 --> 01:47:32,739 so his section was cut. 1783 01:47:36,743 --> 01:47:39,788 He and Peter Orlovsky became the baggage handlers. 1784 01:47:40,956 --> 01:47:44,835 We would put our bags outside the door, and he would take them every day. 1785 01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:47,087 You're a fuckin' luggage handler? 1786 01:47:47,170 --> 01:47:49,673 - God, yeah, and I give massages sometimes. - You're a poet! 1787 01:47:49,756 --> 01:47:52,342 I make myself useful around, on the, uh... 1788 01:47:53,051 --> 01:47:57,430 Uh... helping Chris with the newsletter and putting out the newsletter. 1789 01:47:57,514 --> 01:47:58,932 - You do errands? - Errands, right. 1790 01:47:59,015 --> 01:48:00,559 I can't believe this shit. 1791 01:48:00,642 --> 01:48:03,395 What kind of tour is this? You're a fuckin' great poet, Peter. 1792 01:48:03,478 --> 01:48:06,898 I'm learning-- Been practicing banjo, and I've been sitting every morning... 1793 01:48:06,982 --> 01:48:10,193 Uh, tomorrow morning, we're gonna sit with Allen for one hour. 1794 01:48:10,277 --> 01:48:12,612 - To do what? - After we wake up, sit and meditate. 1795 01:48:15,115 --> 01:48:17,450 At a party at Gordon Lightfoot's house, 1796 01:48:17,534 --> 01:48:18,994 Toronto, Canada. 1797 01:48:45,145 --> 01:48:48,523 Joni Mitchell, she would go out and do her new songs. 1798 01:48:48,607 --> 01:48:50,233 She wouldn't do any hits. 1799 01:48:50,317 --> 01:48:53,486 And the audience reaction was a little sort of muted 1800 01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:54,863 for these new songs, 1801 01:48:54,946 --> 01:48:57,449 as it usually is when artists try to do new songs. 1802 01:48:57,532 --> 01:48:59,576 And I remember, she came off and she said, 1803 01:48:59,659 --> 01:49:02,954 "McGuinn, I don't know why I'm so scared out there. I just don't..." 1804 01:49:03,038 --> 01:49:04,581 I said, "You're just doing new songs. 1805 01:49:04,664 --> 01:49:06,458 You ought to do something that they recognize, 1806 01:49:06,541 --> 01:49:08,376 and then they'll, you know, loosen up." 1807 01:49:08,460 --> 01:49:11,755 She said, "No, no, I-- I can't do that. I think that's a bad idea." 1808 01:49:18,053 --> 01:49:22,224 I admired her for her courage to do the new stuff only. 1809 01:49:24,643 --> 01:49:26,937 Joni wrote this song about this tour, 1810 01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:29,648 and on this tour, and for this tour. 1811 01:49:49,042 --> 01:49:50,210 Okay, D-minor now. 1812 01:49:54,631 --> 01:49:56,091 Yeah, some dissonance. 1813 01:49:57,384 --> 01:50:03,473 I had been loudly proclaiming that my three favorite male songwriters 1814 01:50:03,556 --> 01:50:06,184 were Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, and Kinky Friedman. 1815 01:50:06,977 --> 01:50:11,898 So, Joni started interrogating me backstage one day, saying, 1816 01:50:12,649 --> 01:50:14,234 "What do you mean, male? 1817 01:50:14,317 --> 01:50:16,486 Why do you make that distinction, male songwriters? 1818 01:50:16,569 --> 01:50:18,363 I mean, what about my stuff? 1819 01:50:18,446 --> 01:50:21,366 I mean, don't you characterize my stuff, like, you know, 1820 01:50:21,449 --> 01:50:23,910 in the same league as Bob and Leonard Cohen?" 1821 01:50:26,579 --> 01:50:28,665 And we got into this long discussion about, 1822 01:50:28,748 --> 01:50:32,210 well, the male versus female perspective, and anima-animus, 1823 01:50:32,294 --> 01:50:34,838 and, you know, male-female dynamic, and everything, you know. 1824 01:50:34,921 --> 01:50:38,758 But it became this long, drawn-out confrontation, 1825 01:50:38,842 --> 01:50:40,302 and we bonded on that. 1826 01:50:41,469 --> 01:50:43,179 ♪ No regrets, Coyote ♪ 1827 01:50:43,888 --> 01:50:46,933 ♪ We just come from such different sets Of circumstance ♪ 1828 01:50:47,017 --> 01:50:48,727 ♪ I'm up all night in the studios ♪ 1829 01:50:48,810 --> 01:50:52,480 ♪ And you're up early on your ranch ♪ 1830 01:50:53,023 --> 01:50:55,400 ♪ Brushing out a broodmare's tail ♪ 1831 01:50:55,483 --> 01:50:57,068 ♪ While the sun is ascending ♪ 1832 01:50:57,152 --> 01:51:00,989 ♪ And I'll just be getting home With my reel-to-reel ♪ 1833 01:51:01,573 --> 01:51:03,283 ♪ There's no comprehending ♪ 1834 01:51:04,034 --> 01:51:06,619 ♪ Just how close To the bone and the skin ♪ 1835 01:51:06,703 --> 01:51:09,456 ♪ And the eyes and the lips you can get ♪ 1836 01:51:09,914 --> 01:51:12,417 ♪ And still feel so alone ♪ 1837 01:51:12,959 --> 01:51:15,086 ♪ And still feel related ♪ 1838 01:51:15,545 --> 01:51:17,881 ♪ Like stations in a relay ♪ 1839 01:51:17,964 --> 01:51:20,967 ♪ You're not a hit-and-run driver No, no ♪ 1840 01:51:21,593 --> 01:51:23,178 ♪ Racing away ♪ 1841 01:51:24,262 --> 01:51:26,097 ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪ 1842 01:51:26,681 --> 01:51:31,436 ♪ A prisoner of the white lines On the freeway ♪ 1843 01:51:41,446 --> 01:51:43,490 ♪ We saw a farmhouse burning down ♪ 1844 01:51:44,324 --> 01:51:47,077 ♪ In the middle of nowhere In the middle of the night ♪ 1845 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,496 ♪ And we rolled right past that tragedy ♪ 1846 01:51:49,579 --> 01:51:52,582 ♪ Till we came to some roadside lights ♪ 1847 01:51:52,665 --> 01:51:55,043 ♪ And a local band was playing ♪ 1848 01:51:55,126 --> 01:51:58,421 ♪ Locals were mincin' And shakin' on the floor ♪ 1849 01:51:58,505 --> 01:52:00,006 ♪ The next thing I know ♪ 1850 01:52:01,299 --> 01:52:02,842 ♪ That Coyote's at my door ♪ 1851 01:52:03,927 --> 01:52:07,055 ♪ And he pins me in a corner And he won't take no ♪ 1852 01:52:07,138 --> 01:52:08,973 ♪ He drags me out on the dance floor ♪ 1853 01:52:09,057 --> 01:52:12,310 ♪ And we're dancin' close and slow ♪ 1854 01:52:12,394 --> 01:52:14,771 ♪ He's got a woman at home ♪ 1855 01:52:14,854 --> 01:52:18,358 ♪ One for the night And now he wants one for the day ♪ 1856 01:52:18,441 --> 01:52:22,529 ♪ Oh, why'd you have to get so drunk And lead me on that way? ♪ 1857 01:52:23,738 --> 01:52:25,657 ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪ 1858 01:52:26,324 --> 01:52:30,495 ♪ A prisoner of the white lines And the freeway ♪ 1859 01:52:58,982 --> 01:53:00,608 Let's call Hopper, man. 1860 01:53:00,692 --> 01:53:02,485 - Fuck yeah. - Let me change channels. 1861 01:53:02,569 --> 01:53:04,279 Why do you have that? 1862 01:53:04,362 --> 01:53:05,905 What are you on, channel 31? 1863 01:53:05,989 --> 01:53:07,949 - Uh, give me, uh... - Okay. 1864 01:53:08,032 --> 01:53:08,867 Okay. 1865 01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:11,995 ♪ I took my troubles Down to Madame Rue ♪ 1866 01:53:12,912 --> 01:53:15,999 ♪ You know that gypsy With the gold-capped tooth ♪ 1867 01:53:16,583 --> 01:53:19,919 ♪ She's got a pad Down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine ♪ 1868 01:53:20,420 --> 01:53:25,592 ♪ Sellin' little bottles Of Love Potion Number Nine ♪ 1869 01:53:25,675 --> 01:53:27,093 What poetry is, 1870 01:53:27,969 --> 01:53:30,889 the natural object, where we are now, 1871 01:53:30,972 --> 01:53:32,724 is always adequate symbol, 1872 01:53:32,807 --> 01:53:35,977 so you don't have to invent romantic myths, 1873 01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:38,730 diamond dancers on oceansides. 1874 01:53:39,981 --> 01:53:44,486 The scratching of the pen or the noise in the back of the bar 1875 01:53:44,569 --> 01:53:45,695 is part of the music. 1876 01:53:47,238 --> 01:53:50,950 ♪ She bent down, turned around And gave me a wink ♪ 1877 01:53:51,034 --> 01:53:54,662 ♪ She said, "I'm gonna mix it up Right here in the sink" ♪ 1878 01:53:54,746 --> 01:53:56,664 ♪ It smelled like turpentine... ♪ 1879 01:53:56,748 --> 01:53:59,876 I've never had more faith in America 1880 01:54:00,543 --> 01:54:01,586 than I do today. 1881 01:54:02,378 --> 01:54:03,671 We have an America 1882 01:54:04,214 --> 01:54:05,924 that, in Bob Dylan's phrase, 1883 01:54:06,466 --> 01:54:08,218 is busy being born, 1884 01:54:09,552 --> 01:54:10,803 not busy dying. 1885 01:54:14,182 --> 01:54:17,018 I was very enamored of Jimmy Carter. 1886 01:54:17,101 --> 01:54:21,022 He-- I thought he was a really soulful, interesting guy, 1887 01:54:21,105 --> 01:54:22,273 and he liked me. 1888 01:54:22,815 --> 01:54:25,902 So, you know, I maintained a relationship with him for a long time. 1889 01:54:25,985 --> 01:54:27,362 And he's the guy 1890 01:54:27,445 --> 01:54:31,491 who got me into the Rolling Thunder concert that night. 1891 01:54:31,574 --> 01:54:32,784 Jimmy Carter. 1892 01:54:33,368 --> 01:54:34,536 Which is another story. 1893 01:54:35,495 --> 01:54:39,165 I was-- I was one of the youngest members of the Congress. 1894 01:54:39,249 --> 01:54:40,959 And so I was, um... 1895 01:54:42,168 --> 01:54:45,296 Yeah, I mean, I was torn between two generations there. 1896 01:54:45,380 --> 01:54:48,508 I was being pulled in both... You know, you want to get anything done, 1897 01:54:48,591 --> 01:54:50,802 you have to get along with people in the Congress. 1898 01:54:50,885 --> 01:54:54,681 You know, you don't get anything done anymore because nobody wants to, but... 1899 01:54:54,764 --> 01:54:57,100 in my day you, you know, you made an effort 1900 01:54:57,183 --> 01:54:58,393 to get along with these guys. 1901 01:54:58,476 --> 01:55:00,520 And most of them were considerably older than I was. 1902 01:55:00,603 --> 01:55:04,691 And Dylan was considered the enemy, really, by a lot of these guys. 1903 01:55:04,774 --> 01:55:07,569 I had grown up in this era where, you know, you wanted to be an adult, 1904 01:55:07,652 --> 01:55:10,113 you wanted to drink a martini with your dad, you know. 1905 01:55:10,196 --> 01:55:11,447 And now... 1906 01:55:11,531 --> 01:55:14,158 you know, "Never trust anybody over 30." Right? 1907 01:55:14,242 --> 01:55:17,120 And I'm caught in the middle of this, and I'm dealing in the Congress 1908 01:55:17,203 --> 01:55:18,871 with all these old guys, and... 1909 01:55:18,955 --> 01:55:21,833 You know, it's an interesting conundrum. 1910 01:55:22,625 --> 01:55:25,545 My own interest in the criminal justice system 1911 01:55:25,628 --> 01:55:26,963 is very heartfelt. 1912 01:55:27,463 --> 01:55:29,716 One of the sources for my understanding about 1913 01:55:29,799 --> 01:55:31,551 what's right and wrong in this society 1914 01:55:31,634 --> 01:55:34,637 is from a personal, very close friend of mine 1915 01:55:34,721 --> 01:55:36,681 a great poet named Bob Dylan. 1916 01:55:37,724 --> 01:55:41,227 After listening to his records about "The Ballad of Hattie Carroll" 1917 01:55:41,311 --> 01:55:43,187 and "Like a Rolling Stone," 1918 01:55:43,771 --> 01:55:49,694 I've learned to appreciate the dynamism of change in a modern society. 1919 01:55:50,570 --> 01:55:53,906 I grew up as a landowner's son, 1920 01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:57,160 but I don't think I ever realized that the proper interrelationship 1921 01:55:57,243 --> 01:56:00,330 between the landowner and those who worked on a farm 1922 01:56:00,413 --> 01:56:02,874 until I heard Dylan's record, 1923 01:56:02,957 --> 01:56:05,376 "I Ain't Gonna Work On Maggie's Farm No More." 1924 01:56:06,461 --> 01:56:08,921 So I went to this meeting, I believe it was in Atlanta. 1925 01:56:09,505 --> 01:56:13,718 Jimmy was there, and he and I spoke about a few things. 1926 01:56:13,801 --> 01:56:17,430 And I can't remember exactly what was left unsaid, 1927 01:56:17,513 --> 01:56:20,099 but I told him that I would call him back that night, 1928 01:56:20,183 --> 01:56:22,101 and we were gonna finish this conversation. 1929 01:56:22,185 --> 01:56:23,728 I had to get to the airport. 1930 01:56:24,228 --> 01:56:26,356 So I get on the flight, I'm trying to get home. 1931 01:56:26,856 --> 01:56:31,402 And I got caught in a storm, and we got diverted to Niagara Falls. 1932 01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:34,989 And I get stashed in this cheesy little motel 1933 01:56:35,073 --> 01:56:36,574 that the airline put us up in. 1934 01:56:37,033 --> 01:56:38,701 I called Jimmy to say I hadn't reached home, 1935 01:56:38,785 --> 01:56:41,037 but we could talk tomorrow, and he said, "Where are you?" 1936 01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,414 And I said, "I'm in Niagara Falls." And he says, "Well, 1937 01:56:43,498 --> 01:56:45,792 you just hit the jackpot because-- 1938 01:56:45,875 --> 01:56:48,961 because Bob Dylan's doing this Rolling Thunder concert 1939 01:56:49,045 --> 01:56:51,172 there tonight, and you can go." 1940 01:56:51,631 --> 01:56:55,259 He said, "I'll call him and I'll get you in." 1941 01:56:55,718 --> 01:56:58,179 Dylan! 1942 01:56:59,097 --> 01:57:00,890 Dylan, you're beautiful! 1943 01:57:02,850 --> 01:57:05,353 Uncle Sam is going to sing 1944 01:57:05,436 --> 01:57:08,731 one of his versions of "The Star-Spangled Banner." 1945 01:57:08,815 --> 01:57:09,774 Ladies and gentlemen... 1946 01:57:09,857 --> 01:57:12,568 I saw the best minds of my generation 1947 01:57:12,652 --> 01:57:14,362 destroyed by madness, 1948 01:57:14,445 --> 01:57:15,697 starving hysterical... 1949 01:57:15,780 --> 01:57:18,282 This song about a human being 1950 01:57:18,366 --> 01:57:19,617 who is also an Indian. 1951 01:57:21,577 --> 01:57:24,831 - "Let America be America again." - And if you don't remember... 1952 01:57:24,914 --> 01:57:26,999 "Let it be the dream it used to be." 1953 01:57:34,340 --> 01:57:35,967 No, I'm sorry, you-- you can't... 1954 01:57:36,050 --> 01:57:38,886 - Excuse me. You can't shoot in here. - You need authorization. 1955 01:57:38,970 --> 01:57:40,847 You cannot shoot in here, sir. 1956 01:57:40,930 --> 01:57:43,808 - Why can't I shoot in here? - He's running the camera. 1957 01:57:43,891 --> 01:57:45,351 What organization are you from? 1958 01:57:47,854 --> 01:57:49,522 Do you know where you're going to? 1959 01:57:49,605 --> 01:57:51,149 I don't know. You'll have to ask him. 1960 01:57:52,567 --> 01:57:56,529 I'm sorry you had the hassle. Uh, we didn't know you were coming. 1961 01:57:57,363 --> 01:57:58,322 Obviously. 1962 01:57:58,406 --> 01:58:00,116 We just happened to be in the neighborhood. 1963 01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:03,077 I heard it was you. I brought a friend if you don't mind. 1964 01:58:03,161 --> 01:58:06,038 No, I don't mind, but I'm sorry you had any trouble downstairs. 1965 01:58:06,122 --> 01:58:07,582 Uh, Irwin, this is Bob. 1966 01:58:07,665 --> 01:58:08,875 - How are you? - Good. 1967 01:58:08,958 --> 01:58:10,209 But if you're looking... 1968 01:58:11,252 --> 01:58:12,879 to help the guy, in effect, 1969 01:58:12,962 --> 01:58:16,966 you know, and your purpose is a social one rather than a record one, 1970 01:58:17,049 --> 01:58:20,303 then I think it probably would make sense, you know, to comment, you know, early. 1971 01:58:20,386 --> 01:58:23,264 You know what I'm saying? I don't know what your motivations are. 1972 01:58:23,347 --> 01:58:25,808 You're kind of throwing it out and I haven't given a lot of thought. 1973 01:58:25,892 --> 01:58:27,560 I think there's a Top 40 AM problem. 1974 01:58:27,643 --> 01:58:31,481 Conversely, there may be a lot of black radio play, 1975 01:58:31,564 --> 01:58:33,149 for example, in the east. 1976 01:58:33,232 --> 01:58:35,943 - Or you make it AM play. - So WWRL would-- 1977 01:58:36,027 --> 01:58:38,863 It's a Bob Dylan statement, that it is unique. 1978 01:58:38,946 --> 01:58:40,239 Whoever wants to play it can play it, 1979 01:58:40,323 --> 01:58:41,949 but the idea is he wants it on the streets, 1980 01:58:42,033 --> 01:58:44,285 so people can do with it what they want. 1981 01:58:44,368 --> 01:58:45,870 But with those caveats, 1982 01:58:45,953 --> 01:58:48,998 your motivation is to try to do what you can for the guy, 1983 01:58:49,081 --> 01:58:51,459 then it probably makes sense to do it as quickly as possible. 1984 01:58:51,542 --> 01:58:53,836 - That's the motivation. - Uh... 1985 01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,131 ♪ Pistol shots ring out In a barroom night ♪ 1986 01:58:57,673 --> 01:59:01,719 ♪ Enter Patty Valentine From the upper hall ♪ 1987 01:59:01,803 --> 01:59:05,056 ♪ She sees the bartender In a pool of blood ♪ 1988 01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,227 ♪ Cries out, "My God They killed them all"... ♪ 1989 01:59:09,310 --> 01:59:12,480 If they can get it out on the street in a week that's, you know, that's good. 1990 01:59:12,563 --> 01:59:14,023 That's what they were talking about. 1991 01:59:15,149 --> 01:59:18,069 Rubin Carter was an amazing boxer, 1992 01:59:18,152 --> 01:59:19,028 middleweight, 1993 01:59:19,111 --> 01:59:20,822 who had been framed 1994 01:59:21,447 --> 01:59:23,741 for a murder in New Jersey 1995 01:59:23,825 --> 01:59:27,453 and was languishing now in Rahway State Prison. 1996 01:59:28,704 --> 01:59:30,289 Bob wrote this incredible song, 1997 01:59:30,873 --> 01:59:34,669 "Hurricane," and was very concerned about getting him out. 1998 01:59:35,294 --> 01:59:38,881 I'd written songs about boxers before, so that was nothing new, but, uh... 1999 01:59:39,966 --> 01:59:42,385 I hadn't really thought about, uh, Hurricane... 2000 01:59:43,427 --> 01:59:45,555 because I didn't know about Hurricane. 2001 01:59:45,638 --> 01:59:46,472 Uh... 2002 01:59:47,056 --> 01:59:47,932 It... 2003 01:59:49,141 --> 01:59:50,977 It never really crossed my path. 2004 01:59:52,395 --> 01:59:53,938 I got the book. I read it. 2005 01:59:54,021 --> 01:59:57,024 Um, I, you know, made a mental note that if I was coming east, 2006 01:59:57,108 --> 01:59:59,443 or if I was east, I would, uh, visit him. 2007 01:59:59,527 --> 02:00:02,321 We were there for, you know, most of the day, 2008 02:00:02,405 --> 02:00:03,781 as far as I can remember. 2009 02:00:03,865 --> 02:00:06,951 Uh, we got there in the morning and then left him when it was dark. 2010 02:00:07,785 --> 02:00:09,245 I realized the man's philosophy 2011 02:00:09,328 --> 02:00:12,832 and my philosophy were running on the same road. 2012 02:00:12,915 --> 02:00:15,793 You know, and, uh, you don't meet too many people like that, 2013 02:00:15,877 --> 02:00:21,090 you know, that you just know that kinda on the same path, mentally, you know. 2014 02:00:21,173 --> 02:00:22,300 Yeah. 2015 02:00:22,383 --> 02:00:26,721 Dylan was different than other people who came to see me. 2016 02:00:26,804 --> 02:00:29,599 I mean, other people would ask the obvious questions. 2017 02:00:29,682 --> 02:00:31,517 "Rubin, are you guilty?" 2018 02:00:31,601 --> 02:00:34,812 You know, "Did you commit this crime?" "Did you do that?" You know. 2019 02:00:34,896 --> 02:00:36,355 But Dylan wasn't asking that. 2020 02:00:36,856 --> 02:00:40,610 Not at all. It seemed like he was searching for something else. 2021 02:00:40,693 --> 02:00:42,445 It was as if he was saying, 2022 02:00:43,571 --> 02:00:44,572 "Who are you, man?" 2023 02:00:45,072 --> 02:00:47,450 You know, "Are you what I see?" 2024 02:00:48,618 --> 02:00:52,955 I had a friend of mine send me his lyrics to his songs, 2025 02:00:53,539 --> 02:00:55,166 and so I could read his lyrics, 2026 02:00:55,249 --> 02:00:59,629 so I can get an-- an idea of who I'm talkin' to here, you know. 2027 02:01:00,546 --> 02:01:01,380 And... 2028 02:01:01,881 --> 02:01:05,801 I found something that was, uh, very interesting. Very... 2029 02:01:05,885 --> 02:01:07,470 That really connected us. 2030 02:01:07,553 --> 02:01:12,516 Both of us were... were performers and crowd-pleasers. 2031 02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:15,061 You know, me with the vicious left hook, 2032 02:01:15,853 --> 02:01:20,107 you know, whose parents grew up in the Jim Crow South, 2033 02:01:20,691 --> 02:01:26,405 and Dylan, uh, you know, with his... uh... the troubadour. 2034 02:01:26,864 --> 02:01:29,659 So you got back, and you had the germ of an idea to do a song? 2035 02:01:29,742 --> 02:01:30,826 - Yeah. - Why? 2036 02:01:30,910 --> 02:01:33,245 I mean, you know, is this a return to protest... 2037 02:01:33,329 --> 02:01:34,622 I mean... 2038 02:01:34,705 --> 02:01:37,708 You know, is this, uh, "Hattie Carroll" revisited? 2039 02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,879 Um, there's an injustice that has been done, you know. 2040 02:01:41,963 --> 02:01:44,465 And the fact is that it can happen to anybody. 2041 02:01:44,548 --> 02:01:45,925 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 2042 02:01:46,008 --> 02:01:48,552 - And we have to be confronted with that. - So-- So-- 2043 02:01:49,053 --> 02:01:51,222 This song is called "Hurricane." 2044 02:01:52,848 --> 02:01:54,892 If you got any political pull at all, 2045 02:01:54,976 --> 02:01:57,395 maybe you can help us get this man out of jail, 2046 02:01:58,020 --> 02:01:59,563 back onto the streets. 2047 02:02:24,505 --> 02:02:27,341 ♪ Pistol shots ring out In the barroom night ♪ 2048 02:02:27,842 --> 02:02:30,845 ♪ Enter Patty Valentine From the outer hall ♪ 2049 02:02:31,303 --> 02:02:34,223 ♪ She sees the bartender In a pool of blood ♪ 2050 02:02:34,306 --> 02:02:37,309 ♪ Cries out, "My God, They've killed 'em all!" ♪ 2051 02:02:37,977 --> 02:02:40,438 ♪ Here comes the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2052 02:02:41,355 --> 02:02:43,733 ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪ 2053 02:02:44,608 --> 02:02:46,610 ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪ 2054 02:02:47,903 --> 02:02:51,615 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2055 02:02:51,699 --> 02:02:53,993 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2056 02:03:02,626 --> 02:03:04,920 ♪ Three bodies lyin' there Does Patty see ♪ 2057 02:03:05,921 --> 02:03:09,133 ♪ And another man named Bello Movin' mysteriously ♪ 2058 02:03:09,216 --> 02:03:11,969 ♪ "I didn't do it," he says And he throws up his hands ♪ 2059 02:03:12,053 --> 02:03:15,514 ♪ "I was only robbin' the register You understand ♪ 2060 02:03:15,598 --> 02:03:18,350 ♪ I saw them leave, though" he says And he stops ♪ 2061 02:03:19,018 --> 02:03:21,645 ♪ "One of us had better Call on the cops" ♪ 2062 02:03:22,271 --> 02:03:24,440 ♪ And so Patty calls the cops ♪ 2063 02:03:25,566 --> 02:03:29,195 ♪ And they arrive on the scene With their red lights flashin' ♪ 2064 02:03:29,278 --> 02:03:31,197 ♪ In the hot New Jersey night ♪ 2065 02:03:40,039 --> 02:03:42,625 ♪ Meanwhile, far away In another part of town ♪ 2066 02:03:42,708 --> 02:03:46,087 ♪ Rubin Carter and a couple of friends Are drivin' around ♪ 2067 02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:49,298 ♪ Number one contender For the middleweight crown ♪ 2068 02:03:49,381 --> 02:03:52,551 ♪ Had no idea what kinda shit Was about to go down ♪ 2069 02:03:53,094 --> 02:03:55,596 ♪ When a cop pulled him over To the side of the road ♪ 2070 02:03:56,222 --> 02:03:59,141 ♪ Just like the time before And the time before that ♪ 2071 02:03:59,225 --> 02:04:01,852 ♪ In Paterson, that's the way things go ♪ 2072 02:04:01,936 --> 02:04:06,232 ♪ If you're black, you might as well Not show up on the streets ♪ 2073 02:04:06,315 --> 02:04:08,859 ♪ 'Less you want to draw the heat ♪ 2074 02:04:17,076 --> 02:04:19,662 ♪ Alfred Bello, he laid this rap On the cops ♪ 2075 02:04:19,745 --> 02:04:23,082 ♪ "Me and Arthur Dexter Bradley Were in here prowlin' around ♪ 2076 02:04:23,165 --> 02:04:26,168 ♪ We saw two men runnin' out of here They looked like middleweights ♪ 2077 02:04:26,252 --> 02:04:30,005 ♪ Jumped into a white car With out-of-state plates" ♪ 2078 02:04:30,089 --> 02:04:32,800 ♪ And Miss Patty Valentine Just nodded her head ♪ 2079 02:04:32,883 --> 02:04:35,636 ♪ Cop said, "Wait a minute, boys This one's not dead" ♪ 2080 02:04:35,719 --> 02:04:38,389 ♪ So they took him to the infirmary ♪ 2081 02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:41,600 ♪ And though this man could hardly see ♪ 2082 02:04:41,684 --> 02:04:45,479 ♪ They told him that he could identify The guilty men ♪ 2083 02:04:53,988 --> 02:04:56,323 ♪ Four in the mornin' And they haul Rubin in ♪ 2084 02:04:56,991 --> 02:05:00,077 ♪ Took him to the hospital And they brought him upstairs ♪ 2085 02:05:00,161 --> 02:05:03,080 ♪ The wounded man looks up Through his one dyin' eye ♪ 2086 02:05:03,164 --> 02:05:06,709 ♪ Says, "Why'd you bring him in here for? He ain't the guy!" ♪ 2087 02:05:06,792 --> 02:05:09,211 ♪ Yes, here's the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2088 02:05:09,795 --> 02:05:12,423 ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪ 2089 02:05:13,257 --> 02:05:15,342 ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪ 2090 02:05:16,427 --> 02:05:19,680 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2091 02:05:19,763 --> 02:05:22,266 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2092 02:05:30,691 --> 02:05:33,569 ♪ Four months later The ghettos are in flame ♪ 2093 02:05:33,652 --> 02:05:36,530 ♪ Rubin's in South America Fightin' for his name ♪ 2094 02:05:37,114 --> 02:05:39,783 ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley's Still in the robbery game ♪ 2095 02:05:39,867 --> 02:05:41,619 ♪ And the cops are Puttin' the screws to him ♪ 2096 02:05:41,702 --> 02:05:43,537 ♪ Lookin' for someone to blame ♪ 2097 02:05:43,621 --> 02:05:46,081 ♪ "Remember that murder That happened in a bar? ♪ 2098 02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:49,627 ♪ Remember you said you saw The getaway car? ♪ 2099 02:05:49,710 --> 02:05:52,254 ♪ You think you'd like to play ball With the law? ♪ 2100 02:05:52,963 --> 02:05:56,383 ♪ Think it mighta been that fighter That you saw runnin' that night? ♪ 2101 02:05:56,467 --> 02:05:59,845 ♪ Don't forget now, you're white" ♪ 2102 02:06:07,228 --> 02:06:10,272 ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley said "I'm really not sure" ♪ 2103 02:06:10,356 --> 02:06:13,275 ♪ Cops said "A poor boy like you could use a break ♪ 2104 02:06:13,359 --> 02:06:16,654 ♪ We got you for the motel job We're talkin' to your friend Bello ♪ 2105 02:06:16,737 --> 02:06:20,241 ♪ You don't wanna have to go back to jail Be a nice fellow ♪ 2106 02:06:20,324 --> 02:06:22,910 ♪ You'll be doin' society a favor ♪ 2107 02:06:23,369 --> 02:06:26,497 ♪ That son of a bitch is brave And gettin' braver ♪ 2108 02:06:26,580 --> 02:06:28,707 ♪ We want to put his ass in stir ♪ 2109 02:06:29,792 --> 02:06:33,337 ♪ We want to pin this triple murder On him ♪ 2110 02:06:33,420 --> 02:06:35,881 ♪ He ain't no Gentleman Jim" ♪ 2111 02:06:43,889 --> 02:06:46,850 ♪ All of Rubin's cards were marked In advance ♪ 2112 02:06:46,934 --> 02:06:50,020 ♪ The trial was a pig-circus He never had a chance ♪ 2113 02:06:50,104 --> 02:06:53,148 ♪ The judge made Rubin's witnesses Drunkards from the slums ♪ 2114 02:06:53,232 --> 02:06:56,694 ♪ To the white folks who watched He was a revolutionary bum ♪ 2115 02:06:56,777 --> 02:06:59,405 ♪ And to the black folks He was just a crazy nigger ♪ 2116 02:07:00,155 --> 02:07:02,574 ♪ No one doubted That he pulled the trigger ♪ 2117 02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:05,577 ♪ And though they could not produce The gun ♪ 2118 02:07:06,370 --> 02:07:09,707 ♪ The DA said he was the one Who did the deed ♪ 2119 02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:12,626 ♪ And the all-white jury agreed ♪ 2120 02:07:20,801 --> 02:07:23,345 ♪ Rubin Carter was falsely tried ♪ 2121 02:07:23,429 --> 02:07:26,307 ♪ The crime was murder one Guess who testified? ♪ 2122 02:07:26,974 --> 02:07:29,310 ♪ Bello and Bradley, and they both lied ♪ 2123 02:07:29,768 --> 02:07:33,230 ♪ And the newspapers They all went along for the ride ♪ 2124 02:07:33,314 --> 02:07:35,482 ♪ How can the life of such a man ♪ 2125 02:07:36,567 --> 02:07:39,028 ♪ Be in the palm of some fool's hand? ♪ 2126 02:07:39,486 --> 02:07:41,780 ♪ To see him obviously framed ♪ 2127 02:07:42,865 --> 02:07:46,452 ♪ Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed To live in a land ♪ 2128 02:07:46,535 --> 02:07:49,163 ♪ Where justice is a game ♪ 2129 02:07:56,754 --> 02:07:59,715 ♪ Now all the criminals In their coats and their ties... ♪ 2130 02:08:00,549 --> 02:08:03,886 "Now all the criminals in their coats and ties 2131 02:08:03,969 --> 02:08:07,931 are free to drink martinis and watch the-- and watch the sun rise." 2132 02:08:08,015 --> 02:08:11,435 "While Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten-foot cell, 2133 02:08:11,518 --> 02:08:13,687 an innocent man in a living hell." 2134 02:08:13,771 --> 02:08:15,773 I thought that was great. 2135 02:08:16,231 --> 02:08:19,401 Because the ballad of the Hurricane... 2136 02:08:20,235 --> 02:08:25,491 uh, sent an indelible message of justice gone awry, 2137 02:08:26,116 --> 02:08:27,242 you know what I mean? 2138 02:08:27,326 --> 02:08:28,452 So... So... 2139 02:08:28,535 --> 02:08:33,415 Dylan doing that spread the word far and wide. 2140 02:08:36,293 --> 02:08:38,504 ♪ That's the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2141 02:08:39,421 --> 02:08:41,965 ♪ But it won't be over Till they clear his name ♪ 2142 02:08:42,633 --> 02:08:44,802 ♪ And give him back the time he's done ♪ 2143 02:08:45,719 --> 02:08:49,473 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2144 02:08:49,556 --> 02:08:52,559 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2145 02:09:01,777 --> 02:09:03,404 Let me introduce you to everybody. 2146 02:09:04,780 --> 02:09:07,282 Many of the people who came to help me were white people, 2147 02:09:07,825 --> 02:09:10,244 which must have surprised the authorities, 2148 02:09:10,327 --> 02:09:13,455 because the authorities claimed that I committed this crime 2149 02:09:13,539 --> 02:09:15,457 because of my hatred for white people. 2150 02:09:15,541 --> 02:09:17,501 But here's all these white folks 2151 02:09:18,127 --> 02:09:20,587 coming to help this poor black man 2152 02:09:20,671 --> 02:09:22,923 who's in prison for something that he didn't do, 2153 02:09:23,006 --> 02:09:25,717 something that he didn't do. I mean, it-- it was great. 2154 02:09:25,801 --> 02:09:28,887 What happens if the courts say no, where do you go from there? 2155 02:09:28,971 --> 02:09:31,348 Are you gonna go back into the courts once again? 2156 02:09:31,432 --> 02:09:34,184 If the courts say no, we just keep on fighting. 2157 02:09:34,268 --> 02:09:36,895 There's no such-- There's no such thing as no. 2158 02:09:37,354 --> 02:09:38,605 There's just yes, 2159 02:09:38,689 --> 02:09:41,316 and the road is straight ahead, and we keep on going. 2160 02:09:42,443 --> 02:09:44,111 Bob always been searching. 2161 02:09:44,194 --> 02:09:48,449 Every time I see Bob now, and which we don't see each other frequently, 2162 02:09:48,532 --> 02:09:52,786 but every time I see him, I ask Bob, "Have you found it yet, Bob?" 2163 02:09:53,996 --> 02:09:55,664 And Bob says, "Yeah, I found it." 2164 02:09:56,123 --> 02:09:59,877 But I know he hasn't, 'cause he keeps searching. 2165 02:10:01,170 --> 02:10:04,214 He'd always say, "Hey, what are you searching for today?" 2166 02:10:04,298 --> 02:10:05,382 I'd say, "What?" 2167 02:10:05,466 --> 02:10:08,218 He'd say, "I know you're a searcher. What are you searching for?" 2168 02:10:08,302 --> 02:10:12,848 I'd say, uh, "Well, Hurricane, I'm searching for the Holy Grail." 2169 02:10:12,931 --> 02:10:13,932 And he'd say, "What?" 2170 02:10:14,016 --> 02:10:18,353 I said, "I'm gonna search until I find it, like Sir Galahad." 2171 02:10:20,481 --> 02:10:21,815 That's what I'm looking for. 2172 02:10:24,776 --> 02:10:28,655 - Five minutes. Five minutes. - Do you think he's a genius? 2173 02:10:29,239 --> 02:10:31,033 Is Bob Dylan a genius? 2174 02:10:32,451 --> 02:10:34,912 I don't know. That's a strange word. 2175 02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:37,164 Maybe. 2176 02:10:37,247 --> 02:10:41,293 I think the most brilliant thing he did was putting a group of highly motivated 2177 02:10:41,376 --> 02:10:44,546 and ambitious people on a train with no supervision, 2178 02:10:44,630 --> 02:10:47,966 and then let them become the most extreme versions of themselves. 2179 02:10:48,467 --> 02:10:50,594 Is that how you'd describe what happened? 2180 02:10:50,677 --> 02:10:52,471 I know that's what happened to me. 2181 02:10:52,554 --> 02:10:54,932 Let's go. Let's go. 2182 02:10:56,391 --> 02:10:57,226 Let's go. 2183 02:10:57,893 --> 02:10:59,978 So, why did you come here to speak to me? 2184 02:11:00,062 --> 02:11:04,525 Well, to try and, you know, stake my claim 2185 02:11:04,608 --> 02:11:08,362 and say, "Here I am, this is me. I'm the one who made this. 2186 02:11:08,445 --> 02:11:09,905 You're using it. 2187 02:11:09,988 --> 02:11:13,659 This wouldn't exist without me. I'm the filmmaker here." 2188 02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:18,163 December 4th, 1975, Montreal, Canada, 2189 02:11:18,247 --> 02:11:20,874 last scheduled concert for the Rolling Thunder Revue. 2190 02:11:21,833 --> 02:11:26,713 We phantoms are assembled at the end of the Rolling Thunder tour. 2191 02:11:26,797 --> 02:11:28,507 Roger? Let's go. Luther? 2192 02:11:28,590 --> 02:11:31,426 We started out trying to recover America. 2193 02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:34,346 We discovered a certain amount of truth about ourselves. 2194 02:11:34,805 --> 02:11:37,558 Old friends who thought their loves had been lost 2195 02:11:37,641 --> 02:11:41,562 were able to get together and, uh, face each other eye to eye 2196 02:11:41,645 --> 02:11:44,022 and sing over an electrical microphone 2197 02:11:44,106 --> 02:11:48,360 to please the desires of myriad young yearners, 2198 02:11:48,443 --> 02:11:51,572 who had been seeking some kind of union and community 2199 02:11:51,655 --> 02:11:53,657 and saw there in an image of that community. 2200 02:11:54,783 --> 02:11:56,702 Was the tour a success? 2201 02:11:56,785 --> 02:11:59,454 The tour was a disaster, it was a catastrophe. 2202 02:11:59,538 --> 02:12:00,789 - Why? - Well, 2203 02:12:00,872 --> 02:12:03,792 I told 'em we should be playing to 20,000-seaters, 2204 02:12:03,875 --> 02:12:06,587 but instead, you know, they wanted to play all these small joints. 2205 02:12:06,670 --> 02:12:09,673 Now you've got 16 to 18 people onstage, 2206 02:12:09,756 --> 02:12:12,384 and you got 15 people on the back line. 2207 02:12:13,051 --> 02:12:16,513 Buses and hotel rooms and catering, and you're only playing to houses 2208 02:12:16,597 --> 02:12:19,391 with 3,000 seats, so you're gonna hemorrhage money. 2209 02:12:19,474 --> 02:12:21,560 We were in the red before we even got on the road. 2210 02:12:21,643 --> 02:12:23,895 No, it wasn't a success. 2211 02:12:24,646 --> 02:12:26,982 Not if you measure success in terms of profit. 2212 02:12:28,275 --> 02:12:29,943 But it was a sense of adventure. 2213 02:12:31,236 --> 02:12:35,407 So, in many ways, yes, it was very successful. 2214 02:12:36,825 --> 02:12:37,868 Let's go. 2215 02:12:38,785 --> 02:12:40,037 Time to go. 2216 02:12:40,787 --> 02:12:43,874 - Come on. We're on. - Yeah, Rob, you look pretty. 2217 02:12:48,420 --> 02:12:50,589 What remains of that tour to this day? 2218 02:12:50,672 --> 02:12:51,506 Nothing. 2219 02:12:52,883 --> 02:12:54,134 Not one single thing. 2220 02:12:54,718 --> 02:12:55,552 Ashes. 2221 02:12:59,264 --> 02:13:03,268 ♪ Mama, wipe the blood off of my face ♪ 2222 02:13:06,938 --> 02:13:10,192 ♪ I can't see through it anymore ♪ 2223 02:13:13,612 --> 02:13:17,949 ♪ I need someone to talk to And a new hiding place ♪ 2224 02:13:21,703 --> 02:13:25,248 ♪ I feel like I'm knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2225 02:13:29,002 --> 02:13:32,589 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2226 02:13:36,343 --> 02:13:39,971 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2227 02:13:43,684 --> 02:13:47,979 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2228 02:13:50,982 --> 02:13:55,237 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2229 02:13:58,448 --> 02:14:01,702 ♪ Mama, I can hear that thunder roll ♪ 2230 02:14:05,831 --> 02:14:09,501 ♪ Echoing down from God's distant shore ♪ 2231 02:14:12,879 --> 02:14:16,883 ♪ I can hear Him calling out for my soul ♪ 2232 02:14:20,345 --> 02:14:23,890 ♪ I feel I'm knocking on heaven's door ♪ 2233 02:14:27,894 --> 02:14:31,648 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2234 02:14:35,277 --> 02:14:39,531 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2235 02:14:42,701 --> 02:14:47,080 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2236 02:14:49,958 --> 02:14:54,671 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2237 02:15:17,402 --> 02:15:21,573 You who saw it all, or saw flashes and fragments, 2238 02:15:21,656 --> 02:15:24,201 take from us some example, 2239 02:15:24,284 --> 02:15:26,495 try and get yourselves together, 2240 02:15:26,578 --> 02:15:29,581 clean up your act, find your community, 2241 02:15:29,664 --> 02:15:33,376 pick up on some kind of redemption of your own consciousness, 2242 02:15:33,460 --> 02:15:36,046 become more mindful of your own friends, 2243 02:15:36,129 --> 02:15:37,214 your own work, 2244 02:15:37,297 --> 02:15:39,090 your own proper meditation, 2245 02:15:39,174 --> 02:15:40,425 your own proper art, 2246 02:15:40,509 --> 02:15:41,551 your own beauty. 2247 02:15:41,635 --> 02:15:44,846 Go out and make it for your own eternity. 2248 02:15:49,142 --> 02:15:53,814 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2249 02:15:56,608 --> 02:16:01,029 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2250 02:16:03,782 --> 02:16:08,745 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2251 02:16:11,206 --> 02:16:16,169 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2252 02:16:20,549 --> 02:16:25,512 ♪ The water is wide ♪ 2253 02:16:25,595 --> 02:16:28,557 ♪ And I can't cross over ♪ 2254 02:16:31,977 --> 02:16:35,939 ♪ I've neither wings ♪ 2255 02:16:37,274 --> 02:16:42,320 ♪ That I could fly ♪ 2256 02:16:42,404 --> 02:16:47,158 ♪ Build me a boat ♪ 2257 02:16:47,909 --> 02:16:52,163 ♪ That can carry two ♪ 2258 02:16:53,415 --> 02:16:56,918 ♪ And both shall row ♪ 2259 02:16:59,087 --> 02:17:03,758 ♪ My love and I ♪ 2260 02:17:12,392 --> 02:17:16,813 ♪ There is a ship ♪ 2261 02:17:17,564 --> 02:17:20,400 ♪ And it sails on the sea ♪ 2262 02:17:23,737 --> 02:17:27,741 ♪ Loaded deep ♪ 2263 02:17:28,491 --> 02:17:33,079 ♪ As deep can be ♪ 2264 02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:38,543 ♪ But not as deep ♪ 2265 02:17:39,085 --> 02:17:43,882 ♪ As the love I'm in ♪ 2266 02:17:44,591 --> 02:17:47,844 ♪ And both shall row ♪ 2267 02:17:49,804 --> 02:17:55,769 ♪ My love and I ♪ 2268 02:18:21,544 --> 02:18:23,672 Bob! 2269 02:18:26,174 --> 02:18:28,051 Encore! 2270 02:18:34,057 --> 02:18:36,434 ♪ Hot chilipeppers In the blistering sun ♪ 2271 02:18:39,354 --> 02:18:42,148 ♪ Dust on my face and my cape ♪ 2272 02:18:44,526 --> 02:18:47,737 ♪ Me and Magdalena on the run ♪ 2273 02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:53,952 ♪ I think this time we shall escape ♪ 2274 02:18:55,412 --> 02:18:58,456 ♪ Sold my guitar to the baker's son ♪ 2275 02:19:00,917 --> 02:19:04,713 ♪ For a few crumbs and a place to hide ♪ 2276 02:19:06,339 --> 02:19:09,217 ♪ But I can get another one ♪ 2277 02:19:11,219 --> 02:19:15,306 ♪ And I'll play for Magdalena as we ride ♪ 2278 02:19:16,349 --> 02:19:19,060 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 2279 02:19:19,853 --> 02:19:21,563 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 2280 02:19:22,063 --> 02:19:25,900 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 2281 02:19:26,526 --> 02:19:29,404 ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪ 2282 02:19:29,487 --> 02:19:31,573 ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪ 2283 02:19:32,198 --> 02:19:35,952 ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪ 2284 02:19:47,172 --> 02:19:50,216 ♪ Past the Aztec ruins And the ghosts of our people ♪ 2285 02:19:52,093 --> 02:19:55,472 ♪ Hoofbeats like castanets on stone ♪ 2286 02:19:56,639 --> 02:19:59,851 ♪ At night, I dream of bells In the village steeple ♪ 2287 02:20:01,394 --> 02:20:05,315 ♪ Then I see the bloody face of Ramon ♪ 2288 02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:09,694 ♪ Was it me that shot him down In the cantina? ♪ 2289 02:20:11,988 --> 02:20:15,158 ♪ Was it my hand that held the gun? ♪ 2290 02:20:16,826 --> 02:20:19,662 ♪ Come let us fly, my Magdalena ♪ 2291 02:20:21,456 --> 02:20:24,667 ♪ The dogs are barking And what's done is done ♪ 2292 02:20:25,877 --> 02:20:28,755 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 2293 02:20:29,297 --> 02:20:31,049 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 2294 02:20:31,674 --> 02:20:35,053 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 2295 02:20:35,845 --> 02:20:38,389 ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪ 2296 02:20:38,473 --> 02:20:40,683 ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪ 2297 02:20:41,267 --> 02:20:44,771 ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪ 2298 02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:58,493 ♪ At the corrida, we'll sit in the shade ♪ 2299 02:21:00,036 --> 02:21:03,373 ♪ And watch the young torero stand alone ♪ 2300 02:21:05,041 --> 02:21:08,336 ♪ Drank tequila Where our grandfathers stayed ♪ 2301 02:21:09,420 --> 02:21:12,924 ♪ When they rode with Villa into Torreón ♪ 2302 02:21:14,384 --> 02:21:17,929 ♪ And the padre will recite The prayers of old ♪ 2303 02:21:19,222 --> 02:21:22,976 ♪ In the little church this side of town ♪ 2304 02:21:24,018 --> 02:21:27,480 ♪ I'll wear new boots And an earring of gold ♪ 2305 02:21:28,690 --> 02:21:32,485 ♪ You'll shine with diamonds In your wedding gown ♪ 2306 02:21:34,154 --> 02:21:36,990 ♪ Was that the thunder that I heard? ♪ 2307 02:21:38,825 --> 02:21:41,870 ♪ My head is vibrating I feel a sharp pain ♪ 2308 02:21:43,413 --> 02:21:46,166 ♪ Come sit by me, don't say a word ♪ 2309 02:21:48,209 --> 02:21:51,421 ♪ Oh, can it be that I am slain? ♪ 2310 02:21:52,922 --> 02:21:55,425 ♪ Quick, Magdalena, take my gun ♪ 2311 02:21:57,635 --> 02:22:00,847 ♪ Look up in the hills That flash of light ♪ 2312 02:22:02,557 --> 02:22:05,185 ♪ Aim well, my little one ♪ 2313 02:22:07,145 --> 02:22:10,648 ♪ We may not make it through the night ♪ 181342

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