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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,578 --> 00:00:02,355 ...two, one. 2 00:00:03,203 --> 00:00:05,442 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 3 00:00:05,443 --> 00:00:08,161 where there have been dramatic developments 4 00:00:08,162 --> 00:00:10,082 involving two of Wales' most baffling crimes. 5 00:00:10,083 --> 00:00:13,962 Decades on, these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 6 00:00:13,963 --> 00:00:15,721 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 7 00:00:15,722 --> 00:00:18,682 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 8 00:00:18,722 --> 00:00:22,522 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised 9 00:00:22,562 --> 00:00:24,323 cold case reviews. 10 00:00:24,363 --> 00:00:27,241 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear on these 11 00:00:27,242 --> 00:00:30,002 two investigations, and they have had a significant impact. 12 00:00:30,003 --> 00:00:33,267 And do you think it's the same local man responsible 13 00:00:33,282 --> 00:00:35,482 for all four murders? - I do believe that, Jonathan. 14 00:00:35,483 --> 00:00:38,281 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 15 00:00:38,282 --> 00:00:39,921 we are now in a much stronger position 16 00:00:39,922 --> 00:00:42,803 to catch the person responsible. 17 00:00:45,123 --> 00:00:46,841 - Happy? - That went quick. 18 00:00:46,842 --> 00:00:49,309 - Not so bad, was it? - No. Thank you. 19 00:01:42,922 --> 00:01:45,762 Prisoner Intelligence say that Cooper's new favourite place 20 00:01:45,763 --> 00:01:47,002 is the library. 21 00:01:47,043 --> 00:01:48,976 His specialist subject - DNA. 22 00:01:50,002 --> 00:01:51,242 The news item worked. 23 00:01:51,243 --> 00:01:53,642 He's worried we've found something. 24 00:01:53,683 --> 00:01:56,202 Oh, a date for the diary. 25 00:01:56,243 --> 00:01:59,121 Dyffryn Prison's governor has given us our dates for the interviews. 26 00:01:59,122 --> 00:02:00,723 A month from now. 27 00:02:00,763 --> 00:02:03,802 Monday, June 30th to Wednesday, July 2nd. 28 00:02:03,843 --> 00:02:06,401 We've got three days to get inside his head, 29 00:02:06,402 --> 00:02:09,522 find out the exhibits that give him night sweats. 30 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:12,681 Rambo, we should find out if there are any psychologists out there 31 00:02:12,682 --> 00:02:14,882 who have interviewed him. We want their insights. 32 00:02:14,883 --> 00:02:16,122 Right you are. 33 00:02:16,163 --> 00:02:19,082 Boss, that was Pembroke Dock Police Station. 34 00:02:19,122 --> 00:02:20,602 Andrew Cooper was found collapsed 35 00:02:20,603 --> 00:02:23,401 by the railway tracks last night outside Fishguard. 36 00:02:23,402 --> 00:02:24,961 He was taken to Withybush Hospital. 37 00:02:24,962 --> 00:02:27,322 He claimed he overdid it on his pain medication. 38 00:02:27,323 --> 00:02:28,482 By the railway tracks? 39 00:02:28,483 --> 00:02:32,242 Apparently, he's adamant he wasn't trying to kill himself. 40 00:02:32,283 --> 00:02:35,150 He checked out of the hospital this morning. 41 00:02:38,323 --> 00:02:39,882 Tried to kill himself? 42 00:02:39,883 --> 00:02:42,081 Didn't try very hard, did he? He's still breathing. 43 00:02:42,082 --> 00:02:43,122 John... 44 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,683 Anyway, guess what? 45 00:02:46,082 --> 00:02:48,215 The police want to interview me. 46 00:02:48,242 --> 00:02:51,314 That stuff on the news. I'm their bloody suspect. 47 00:02:52,723 --> 00:02:55,602 - Why you? - Well, it's the same as before, hm? 48 00:02:55,603 --> 00:02:57,801 Cos it's easier to frame an innocent man 49 00:02:57,802 --> 00:02:59,842 than it is for them to do their job. 50 00:02:59,843 --> 00:03:02,602 Now, you'd better be on your toes. They might wanna talk to you. 51 00:03:02,603 --> 00:03:03,962 Talk to me? 52 00:03:05,323 --> 00:03:07,521 What about? I don't know anything. 53 00:03:07,522 --> 00:03:09,882 When they come knocking, that's exactly what you tell them. 54 00:03:09,883 --> 00:03:14,121 And don't go running off to Adrian cos you feel sorry him. He's a rat. 55 00:03:14,122 --> 00:03:18,154 And anything you say to him will go directly back to the police. 56 00:03:23,763 --> 00:03:25,122 I'm coming! 57 00:03:29,242 --> 00:03:30,603 Hello, Andrew. 58 00:03:31,642 --> 00:03:32,763 Hello. 59 00:03:33,802 --> 00:03:36,562 Sorry to bother you. I heard you'd been in hospital. 60 00:03:36,563 --> 00:03:38,443 How are you doing? 61 00:03:38,483 --> 00:03:39,603 I'm fine. 62 00:03:43,242 --> 00:03:44,482 Well, I just wanted you to know 63 00:03:44,483 --> 00:03:47,002 that if you feel like you need some support, 64 00:03:47,003 --> 00:03:49,003 we can sort something for you. 65 00:03:50,242 --> 00:03:52,375 I don't need anything like that. 66 00:03:53,682 --> 00:03:55,882 You don't have to worry about me. 67 00:04:12,523 --> 00:04:14,082 Dr Harry Stephens... 68 00:04:14,083 --> 00:04:17,321 ...is a forensic psychologist from Liverpool University. 69 00:04:17,322 --> 00:04:21,682 Now, he interviewed Cooper for a book about violent offenders. 70 00:04:21,723 --> 00:04:24,482 He's the only person to have gone on record 71 00:04:24,483 --> 00:04:26,681 as saying that Cooper is a psychopath. 72 00:04:26,682 --> 00:04:28,523 He also told us that, 73 00:04:28,562 --> 00:04:31,121 like most psychopaths, Cooper is a narcissist 74 00:04:31,122 --> 00:04:34,242 and we should treat him accordingly. 75 00:04:34,283 --> 00:04:36,122 Like royalty. 76 00:04:36,163 --> 00:04:39,682 Er, pamper him into a false sense of security. 77 00:04:39,723 --> 00:04:43,762 Nige, we need you to find a suitable station for the interviews. 78 00:04:43,802 --> 00:04:46,523 Sterile, clean, quiet holding cells. 79 00:04:46,562 --> 00:04:48,761 And make sure the custody sergeant is very charming. 80 00:04:48,762 --> 00:04:49,761 Yes, boss. 81 00:04:49,762 --> 00:04:53,282 Dr Stephens also recommended that one of the interview team 82 00:04:53,283 --> 00:04:54,322 be a woman. 83 00:04:54,362 --> 00:04:57,722 Yeah, apparently, Cooper has a very low opinion of female intelligence. 84 00:04:57,723 --> 00:05:02,762 And a woman opposite him might make him drop his guard. 85 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:05,162 - Are you up for that, missus? - Let me at him. 86 00:05:05,163 --> 00:05:07,801 That's settled, then. You and Rambo in the room. 87 00:05:07,802 --> 00:05:10,842 - What about you, boss? - I don't think it's clever. 88 00:05:10,843 --> 00:05:13,881 We know he's seen me on TV. I'm the face of the investigation. 89 00:05:13,882 --> 00:05:16,002 That could rattle him. 90 00:05:16,043 --> 00:05:19,642 No, I shall sit in the cheap seats with you lot on video link. 91 00:05:19,643 --> 00:05:22,603 Hey, here's to our interview team, then. 92 00:05:22,643 --> 00:05:25,083 Rambo and Bimbo. 93 00:05:25,122 --> 00:05:26,922 Oh...! 94 00:05:28,562 --> 00:05:30,001 I'll ask you again, John. 95 00:05:30,002 --> 00:05:32,642 Regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon, 96 00:05:32,643 --> 00:05:34,776 were you the person responsible? 97 00:05:36,643 --> 00:05:38,321 He starts off cooperative. 98 00:05:38,322 --> 00:05:40,361 Then, when your man gets heavy-handed, 99 00:05:40,362 --> 00:05:41,921 down comes the portcullis. 100 00:05:41,922 --> 00:05:44,322 So, we keep it non-confrontational. 101 00:05:44,362 --> 00:05:48,562 Er, maybe even avoid any direct questions about the murders. 102 00:05:48,603 --> 00:05:50,082 If we can't talk about the murders, 103 00:05:50,083 --> 00:05:52,282 how are we supposed to get anything useful out of him? 104 00:05:52,283 --> 00:05:54,403 You talk about the exhibits. 105 00:05:54,442 --> 00:05:56,162 That's what this is all about, 106 00:05:56,163 --> 00:05:59,242 trying to draw out which ones he's worried about, 107 00:05:59,283 --> 00:06:03,507 which ones he thinks might bear a trace of his or his victims' DNA. 108 00:06:09,762 --> 00:06:11,242 Jack? 109 00:06:21,762 --> 00:06:23,242 Someone's keen. 110 00:06:24,483 --> 00:06:26,616 I've got a trial for the county. 111 00:06:26,963 --> 00:06:28,643 No way! 112 00:06:28,682 --> 00:06:30,362 Ah, that's great. 113 00:06:30,403 --> 00:06:32,362 Well done, Wilkins Junior! 114 00:06:32,403 --> 00:06:34,536 Do you think you can come along? 115 00:06:37,362 --> 00:06:38,842 - No, it's OK. - No, no, no. 116 00:06:38,843 --> 00:06:40,603 Bollocks. I'll be there. 117 00:06:41,643 --> 00:06:42,843 Well done, son! 118 00:06:43,802 --> 00:06:45,523 - Food? - Aye. 119 00:07:19,562 --> 00:07:20,562 All right? 120 00:07:21,723 --> 00:07:22,723 Yeah. 121 00:07:25,242 --> 00:07:27,375 I'll see you in sunny Ammanford. 122 00:07:27,403 --> 00:07:29,083 Steve Wilkins. 123 00:07:29,122 --> 00:07:31,242 Hello, boss, this is Control. 124 00:07:31,283 --> 00:07:35,643 Cooper has left Dyffryn Prison. ETA Ammanford 09:00. 125 00:07:35,682 --> 00:07:37,643 They're all set up for you. 126 00:08:00,442 --> 00:08:02,203 I found the kitchen, boss. 127 00:08:02,242 --> 00:08:03,523 Thanks. 128 00:08:08,322 --> 00:08:09,603 Yep? 129 00:08:10,643 --> 00:08:12,322 He's here. 130 00:08:19,362 --> 00:08:21,163 Good morning, John. 131 00:08:21,203 --> 00:08:22,802 I hope you had a comfortable journey. 132 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,402 Oh, yes. 133 00:08:24,443 --> 00:08:25,843 Business class. 134 00:08:27,162 --> 00:08:29,962 See, it doesn't cost anything to be polite. 135 00:08:33,963 --> 00:08:35,563 He takes the bait. 136 00:08:35,603 --> 00:08:37,002 He's old. 137 00:08:42,603 --> 00:08:44,603 He still looks strong, though. 138 00:08:51,683 --> 00:08:52,963 All right, boss. 139 00:08:55,162 --> 00:08:56,282 Morning. 140 00:08:56,323 --> 00:08:57,843 Good morning, John. 141 00:08:58,843 --> 00:09:01,361 Where's the big cheese, then, the one off the telly? 142 00:09:01,362 --> 00:09:05,074 Detective Superintendent Wilkins won't be joining us, John. 143 00:09:06,978 --> 00:09:09,045 Oh, he likes to watch, does he? 144 00:09:10,819 --> 00:09:11,978 OK, John... 145 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:13,618 ...1978. 146 00:09:13,659 --> 00:09:17,098 The year you won Spot The Ball. 147 00:09:17,139 --> 00:09:18,899 £94,000 148 00:09:18,939 --> 00:09:21,819 That's about £800,000 in today's money. 149 00:09:21,858 --> 00:09:23,457 Your life was good at the time. 150 00:09:23,458 --> 00:09:26,819 You bought Big House Farm at Rosemarket. 151 00:09:26,858 --> 00:09:28,578 Your wife told Huntsman 152 00:09:28,618 --> 00:09:32,138 you also took your brothers and their families to Spain. 153 00:09:32,139 --> 00:09:34,337 - I certainly did. - You didn't take Adrian. 154 00:09:34,338 --> 00:09:35,978 Why was that, John? 155 00:09:40,338 --> 00:09:42,458 I don't know. 156 00:09:42,498 --> 00:09:44,658 Maybe he was ill with his asthma. 157 00:09:44,659 --> 00:09:46,617 You've been talking to him, have you? 158 00:09:46,618 --> 00:09:48,139 No, John. 159 00:09:48,179 --> 00:09:50,579 We have his statements from Huntsman. 160 00:09:52,699 --> 00:09:54,338 So, John... 161 00:09:54,378 --> 00:09:55,617 ...things were going well. 162 00:09:55,618 --> 00:09:58,179 You were buying and selling properties. 163 00:09:58,218 --> 00:10:00,551 But then the money worries started. 164 00:10:02,699 --> 00:10:04,977 Well, an estate agent tricked me out of a lot of money. 165 00:10:04,978 --> 00:10:06,738 My solicitor lied to me. 166 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:08,497 When you come into a bit of money, 167 00:10:08,498 --> 00:10:10,538 well, the cockroaches come out of the woodwork. 168 00:10:10,539 --> 00:10:12,138 It can't have been easy, 169 00:10:12,139 --> 00:10:14,658 moving from Big House Farm, making the adjustment 170 00:10:14,659 --> 00:10:19,378 from owning your own place to renting at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 171 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:21,257 A man doesn't sit around moping. 172 00:10:21,258 --> 00:10:23,298 He's got to get out there, got to get grafting. 173 00:10:23,299 --> 00:10:28,218 Between 1978 and 1983, you spent over £125,000. 174 00:10:28,258 --> 00:10:31,779 That's £35,000 more than your winnings on Spot The Ball. 175 00:10:32,779 --> 00:10:34,778 Well, you've got to speculate to accumulate. 176 00:10:34,779 --> 00:10:36,377 Is that when you started gambling? 177 00:10:36,378 --> 00:10:38,058 What, £3 or £4 a week? 178 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:39,659 A 50p round robin? 179 00:10:39,699 --> 00:10:41,698 I'd hardly call that gambling. 180 00:10:41,699 --> 00:10:44,978 Adrian told Huntsman you bet £1,000 on one race. 181 00:10:48,019 --> 00:10:49,659 He misremembered. 182 00:10:53,098 --> 00:10:54,978 April 20th, 1983. 183 00:10:55,019 --> 00:10:56,337 Clareston Hall, Freystrop. 184 00:10:56,338 --> 00:11:00,882 Your first conviction for burglary. Is that your idea of grafting, John? 185 00:11:08,578 --> 00:11:10,258 I don't like your tone. 186 00:11:16,019 --> 00:11:18,019 Oh, don't shut down, John boy. 187 00:11:23,539 --> 00:11:24,699 John... 188 00:11:25,939 --> 00:11:29,395 ...if you don't want to talk to us, we'll respect that. 189 00:11:29,779 --> 00:11:32,379 You can go back to Dyffryn Prison today. 190 00:11:41,179 --> 00:11:43,139 I'm not a thief. 191 00:11:47,019 --> 00:11:48,858 Well done, Rambo. 192 00:11:48,899 --> 00:11:50,579 OK. You told Huntsman 193 00:11:50,618 --> 00:11:55,819 that you visited Scoveston Park for the first time in August 1984, 194 00:11:55,858 --> 00:11:58,377 when you went to meet Richard and Helen Thomas 195 00:11:58,378 --> 00:12:00,577 about working on their land. Is that correct, John? 196 00:12:00,578 --> 00:12:03,377 I know what Adrian told Huntsman about Scoveston Park. 197 00:12:03,378 --> 00:12:06,698 About me telling him and his mother to lie to the police 198 00:12:06,699 --> 00:12:09,617 about us all being in that night, the night of the fire. 199 00:12:09,618 --> 00:12:12,419 That the truth was, according to him, 200 00:12:12,458 --> 00:12:15,498 that I came home late smelling of a bonfire. 201 00:12:15,539 --> 00:12:18,803 Now, you say you haven't spoken to him. Fair enough. 202 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:22,211 But there's something I want to get off my chest. 203 00:12:22,578 --> 00:12:24,178 Everything that comes out 204 00:12:24,179 --> 00:12:26,458 of that boy's mouth is lies. 205 00:12:26,498 --> 00:12:29,659 Has been ever since we didn't take him to Spain. 206 00:12:31,458 --> 00:12:34,019 When me and Pat got back... 207 00:12:34,059 --> 00:12:35,779 he was a different boy. 208 00:12:36,899 --> 00:12:38,338 He was surly. 209 00:12:39,618 --> 00:12:41,018 He was disobedient. 210 00:12:41,019 --> 00:12:42,457 Bunking off school. 211 00:12:42,458 --> 00:12:44,058 Smoking wacky baccy. 212 00:12:45,179 --> 00:12:48,539 Forging cheques. Stealing money... off us. 213 00:12:49,618 --> 00:12:52,518 And all because we didn't take him on holiday. 214 00:12:54,059 --> 00:12:55,498 As a father... 215 00:12:55,539 --> 00:12:57,806 I take no pleasure in saying this. 216 00:12:57,819 --> 00:13:01,467 But the truth is, the real truth, the night of the fire... 217 00:13:01,899 --> 00:13:03,659 ...the murders... 218 00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:06,378 Adrian was the one who came home late. 219 00:13:08,819 --> 00:13:11,377 He's pointing the finger at his own son? 220 00:13:11,378 --> 00:13:12,819 Piece of filth. 221 00:13:19,292 --> 00:13:21,804 You know, I've been across the table from wife-beaters, 222 00:13:21,805 --> 00:13:23,606 rapists, paedophiles. 223 00:13:23,645 --> 00:13:26,725 - And I let him get to me. - And you made something happen. 224 00:13:26,726 --> 00:13:29,044 When he feels under threat, he blames Adrian. 225 00:13:29,045 --> 00:13:30,644 That's something to keep an eye on. 226 00:13:30,645 --> 00:13:32,126 So... 227 00:13:32,165 --> 00:13:34,685 - tomorrow... - Huntsman. 228 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:37,125 With particular emphasis on our prime exhibits. 229 00:13:37,126 --> 00:13:38,926 There you go, look at that. 230 00:14:04,606 --> 00:14:08,645 Now, John, I want to ask you about some exhibits 231 00:14:08,685 --> 00:14:11,566 found by Operation Huntsman. 232 00:14:11,606 --> 00:14:14,765 Some of them pertain to one particular robbery, 233 00:14:14,805 --> 00:14:18,245 the so-called Sardis robbery, for which you were convicted. 234 00:14:18,246 --> 00:14:19,686 Wrongly convicted. 235 00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:24,044 For the tape, I am showing Mr Cooper a photograph 236 00:14:24,045 --> 00:14:28,086 of Huntsman exhibit BB/109, a black glove. 237 00:14:28,126 --> 00:14:30,446 Do you recognise this glove, John? 238 00:14:30,486 --> 00:14:32,286 I haven't got the foggiest. 239 00:14:33,885 --> 00:14:36,446 I had a bit of an accident last night. 240 00:14:37,446 --> 00:14:39,164 I can't see a thing without them. Sorry. 241 00:14:39,165 --> 00:14:41,431 I know you're on a tight schedule. 242 00:14:42,126 --> 00:14:44,644 We know you had a problem with your glasses during Huntsman. 243 00:14:44,645 --> 00:14:46,845 We got your prescription from Dyffryn Prison. 244 00:14:46,846 --> 00:14:48,525 Just in case. 245 00:14:50,525 --> 00:14:51,884 I don't actually wear gloves. 246 00:14:51,885 --> 00:14:54,485 Adrian's the glove-wearer in the family. 247 00:14:55,566 --> 00:15:01,045 For the tape, evidence photo of Huntsman exhibit MTJ/14. 248 00:15:01,086 --> 00:15:02,245 Black balaclava. 249 00:15:02,246 --> 00:15:04,712 Do you recognise this balaclava, John? 250 00:15:05,885 --> 00:15:09,486 Do you remember that Huntsman found head hairs inside it 251 00:15:09,525 --> 00:15:11,164 that were forensically tested 252 00:15:11,165 --> 00:15:13,606 and confirmed to be yours? 253 00:15:20,005 --> 00:15:21,966 Yes. 254 00:15:22,005 --> 00:15:24,205 And yet you said it wasn't yours. 255 00:15:26,486 --> 00:15:28,085 That... was a mistake. 256 00:15:28,086 --> 00:15:30,352 I was wrong. I think that was mine. 257 00:15:37,846 --> 00:15:41,302 Ten years in prison, a man gets into a lot of thinking. 258 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:44,644 He remembers things that he hasn't thought about for ages. 259 00:15:44,645 --> 00:15:46,845 And one of the things I do remember, 260 00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:49,206 and it was about 20 years ago, 261 00:15:49,246 --> 00:15:50,924 was I did used to have a black balaclava 262 00:15:50,925 --> 00:15:53,125 just like that one that I used to wear 263 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,965 when I went fishing with a boat that I had. 264 00:15:54,966 --> 00:15:59,005 Well, remembering that, everything slotted into place. 265 00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:02,181 There's only one explanation that makes any sense. 266 00:16:03,326 --> 00:16:05,246 I didn't lose the balaclava. 267 00:16:05,285 --> 00:16:07,606 It was stolen. 268 00:16:07,645 --> 00:16:10,004 By the same individual who did the robbery 269 00:16:10,005 --> 00:16:12,246 that I was wrongly convicted of. 270 00:16:14,885 --> 00:16:16,045 OK, John. 271 00:16:16,086 --> 00:16:17,285 On we go. 272 00:16:17,326 --> 00:16:18,924 Huntsman exhibits... 273 00:16:18,925 --> 00:16:21,405 PAS/1, a sawn-off shotgun, 274 00:16:21,446 --> 00:16:23,326 and PH/2, 275 00:16:23,366 --> 00:16:26,325 a sawn-off shotgun with customised shoulder strap. 276 00:16:26,326 --> 00:16:28,805 Do you recognise these shotguns, John? 277 00:16:28,846 --> 00:16:30,579 You're trying to trick me. 278 00:16:31,805 --> 00:16:33,326 This gun is mine. 279 00:16:33,366 --> 00:16:35,326 This one is not. 280 00:16:35,366 --> 00:16:38,645 Huntsman found this gun, wrapped in oilcloth, 281 00:16:38,685 --> 00:16:41,044 buried underneath the duck run at your home. 282 00:16:41,045 --> 00:16:42,565 Why did you bury it, John? 283 00:16:42,566 --> 00:16:45,164 I didn't want Adrian to find it. Didn't want him hurting himself. 284 00:16:45,165 --> 00:16:46,846 And this gun, PH/2, 285 00:16:46,885 --> 00:16:50,486 was found with the glove and balaclava under the hedge 286 00:16:50,525 --> 00:16:53,045 close to the scene of the Sardis robbery. 287 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:55,765 I'm aware. Huntsman must have told me about a hundred times. 288 00:16:55,766 --> 00:16:57,285 If you look closely, John, 289 00:16:57,286 --> 00:17:01,126 you will see that both guns have the same modifications. 290 00:17:01,165 --> 00:17:04,286 Sawn-off barrels and sawn-down stocks. 291 00:17:04,326 --> 00:17:06,606 Screws in both barrels and stocks 292 00:17:06,645 --> 00:17:08,325 for a shoulder strap. 293 00:17:09,086 --> 00:17:12,086 John, how do you account for the fact that 294 00:17:12,126 --> 00:17:15,405 the very same distinctive DIY modifications 295 00:17:15,445 --> 00:17:17,644 - were made to both shotguns? - Coincidence. 296 00:17:17,645 --> 00:17:19,964 Stranger things have happened, right? 297 00:17:19,965 --> 00:17:22,165 And while we're on the subject... 298 00:17:23,405 --> 00:17:27,644 ...I want to talk about the gun that Huntsman found under the hedge. 299 00:17:27,645 --> 00:17:28,885 For the tape. 300 00:17:28,925 --> 00:17:30,326 Here we go again. 301 00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:33,365 During the Huntsman trial, and I remember this very clearly 302 00:17:33,366 --> 00:17:35,924 because I thought it was very strange at the time, 303 00:17:35,925 --> 00:17:40,341 the prosecution barrister handed me the gun on more than one occasion. 304 00:17:41,445 --> 00:17:44,566 Well, what I'm saying is, if my DNA is on that, 305 00:17:44,606 --> 00:17:46,286 that's the reason why. 306 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,684 His time in the library was well-spent. 307 00:17:54,685 --> 00:17:57,086 He's digging his own grave. 308 00:17:57,126 --> 00:17:59,366 Today was a result for us. 309 00:17:59,405 --> 00:18:00,444 The lengths he went to 310 00:18:00,445 --> 00:18:05,126 to distance himself from the Sardis exhibits means we are bang-on. 311 00:18:05,165 --> 00:18:08,485 His story about the gun being handled in the trial. 312 00:18:08,526 --> 00:18:12,086 The balaclava being stolen 20 years before, in 1988, 313 00:18:12,126 --> 00:18:14,059 the year before Coastal Path. 314 00:18:15,126 --> 00:18:18,325 He wasn't just telling us the man who stole the balaclava 315 00:18:18,326 --> 00:18:19,565 did the Sardis robbery, 316 00:18:19,566 --> 00:18:21,484 he was saying the man murdered the Dixons. 317 00:18:21,485 --> 00:18:24,164 Today, he confirmed what we'd always suspected. 318 00:18:24,165 --> 00:18:26,884 And he gave us something new into the bargain. 319 00:18:26,885 --> 00:18:29,606 When he killed Peter and Gwenda Dixon... 320 00:18:29,645 --> 00:18:31,326 he wore that balaclava. 321 00:18:31,366 --> 00:18:34,164 And PH/2 is, without a doubt, the murder weapon. 322 00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:36,964 What exhibits shall we send back for re-testing, then, boss? 323 00:18:36,965 --> 00:18:38,684 The Sardis robbery gun and the balaclava. 324 00:18:38,685 --> 00:18:40,125 Don't bother with the duck run gun. 325 00:18:40,126 --> 00:18:42,605 - Save that money for something else. - What about the glove? 326 00:18:42,606 --> 00:18:46,766 He said Adrian was the glove-wearer. That's got to mean something. 327 00:18:46,806 --> 00:18:48,326 Put it in. 328 00:18:48,366 --> 00:18:49,805 Don't all call me a twat at once... 329 00:18:49,806 --> 00:18:51,685 Twat! 330 00:18:51,725 --> 00:18:53,325 ...but what's the point in re-testing 331 00:18:53,326 --> 00:18:55,525 when we already know they'll come back negative? 332 00:18:55,526 --> 00:18:59,484 Testing for trace DNA is like battleships. It's a guessing game. 333 00:18:59,485 --> 00:19:01,484 The boffins can't see what they're looking for. 334 00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:03,484 They test small areas they think are most likely 335 00:19:03,485 --> 00:19:05,165 and hope for the best. 336 00:19:06,326 --> 00:19:08,525 But there's always bits that haven't been tested. 337 00:19:08,526 --> 00:19:09,525 So... 338 00:19:09,526 --> 00:19:11,992 ...tomorrow is our last day with him. 339 00:19:12,766 --> 00:19:15,485 I'm happy to risk a bit of confrontation. 340 00:19:15,526 --> 00:19:17,526 Rambo, I want Ella to lead. 341 00:19:17,566 --> 00:19:18,925 Right. 342 00:19:20,685 --> 00:19:22,551 Hey, don't leave me hanging! 343 00:19:30,685 --> 00:19:32,884 John, do you think the man in the drawing 344 00:19:32,885 --> 00:19:37,086 bears any resemblance to yourself as you were in July 1989? 345 00:19:39,885 --> 00:19:41,485 No, not at all. 346 00:19:43,485 --> 00:19:46,244 Even the detective who came round the house said as much at the time. 347 00:19:46,245 --> 00:19:49,445 Detective Rees. The one who used to drink with you? 348 00:19:49,725 --> 00:19:51,485 Yeah. 349 00:19:51,526 --> 00:19:54,125 So, John, how did you look in July 1989? 350 00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,325 - Haven't you got any photographs? - No, John. 351 00:19:56,326 --> 00:19:58,525 Which is why we'd appreciate your help. 352 00:19:58,526 --> 00:20:02,046 - I don't remember. It was 20 years ago. - 19, actually. 353 00:20:02,846 --> 00:20:04,005 Let me get this straight. 354 00:20:04,006 --> 00:20:05,924 You can't remember how you looked back then, 355 00:20:05,925 --> 00:20:09,085 but you're confident that this sketch, made at that time, 356 00:20:09,086 --> 00:20:11,086 doesn't resemble you at all. 357 00:20:11,126 --> 00:20:12,126 I'm sure. 358 00:20:12,165 --> 00:20:14,805 Because I know I didn't have hair that long. 359 00:20:14,806 --> 00:20:17,484 - You never had collar-length hair? - I don't like it on my neck. 360 00:20:17,485 --> 00:20:21,005 What about the clothes the man in the drawing's wearing, John? 361 00:20:21,006 --> 00:20:22,444 I don't go in for shorts. 362 00:20:22,445 --> 00:20:24,766 Shorts were more Adrian's thing. 363 00:20:27,286 --> 00:20:29,806 Stick with the shorts, Ella. 364 00:20:29,846 --> 00:20:32,605 The witness who saw this man using Peter Dixon's stolen cash card 365 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:36,126 said that the shorts he was wearing were khaki coloured. 366 00:20:36,366 --> 00:20:39,266 Did you ever own a pair of khaki shorts, John? 367 00:20:39,566 --> 00:20:40,566 Yes. 368 00:20:41,846 --> 00:20:43,404 But they were more bathers 369 00:20:43,405 --> 00:20:45,245 than shorts. 370 00:20:45,286 --> 00:20:47,484 They were shorter. Those are long shorts. 371 00:20:47,485 --> 00:20:49,325 Mine were short shorts, more like bathers. 372 00:20:49,326 --> 00:20:52,205 Adrian used to wear them more than I did. 373 00:20:52,245 --> 00:20:55,126 He was always borrowing my clothes. 374 00:21:08,606 --> 00:21:10,805 These are the only shorts that Huntsman found 375 00:21:10,806 --> 00:21:13,445 at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 376 00:21:13,485 --> 00:21:15,085 No khaki, and they're all a lot shorter 377 00:21:15,086 --> 00:21:16,525 than the ones in the wanted photo. 378 00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:17,845 What about bathers? 379 00:21:17,846 --> 00:21:20,244 - He said that more than once. - Bathers. 380 00:21:20,245 --> 00:21:22,724 Shorts. Swimming trucks. Trousers. We did the lot. 381 00:21:22,725 --> 00:21:24,085 He said Andrew wore them. 382 00:21:24,086 --> 00:21:26,205 That's his tell. 383 00:21:26,245 --> 00:21:29,526 Something about those shorts worries him. 384 00:21:29,566 --> 00:21:30,925 Why? 385 00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:34,031 And where the hell are they? 386 00:21:40,205 --> 00:21:41,805 Mrs Patricia Cooper? 387 00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:44,845 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 388 00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:46,285 This is DI Ella Richards. 389 00:21:46,286 --> 00:21:47,924 Can we come in for a minute, please? 390 00:21:47,925 --> 00:21:49,685 Come in. 391 00:22:00,645 --> 00:22:02,325 You won't find anything. 392 00:22:04,405 --> 00:22:06,805 Well, you lot took everything of John's nine years ago. 393 00:22:06,806 --> 00:22:08,326 Not us, Mrs Cooper. 394 00:22:09,526 --> 00:22:12,444 You used to work at Ocky White's, didn't you, Mrs Cooper? 395 00:22:12,445 --> 00:22:14,778 I was the best seamstress they had. 396 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:24,644 These were taken the year your husband won on Spot The Ball? 397 00:22:24,645 --> 00:22:26,046 1978? 398 00:22:26,086 --> 00:22:27,806 - Yes? - Yes. 399 00:22:29,725 --> 00:22:32,925 A professional photographer came to the house. 400 00:22:32,965 --> 00:22:36,724 Do you have any later photographs of the two of you, Mrs Cooper? 401 00:22:36,725 --> 00:22:37,885 No. 402 00:22:39,006 --> 00:22:41,139 We weren't big on family photos. 403 00:22:44,245 --> 00:22:48,205 1978, that was the year you went on holiday to Spain, right? 404 00:22:49,526 --> 00:22:50,685 Yes. 405 00:22:50,725 --> 00:22:54,325 Do you mind me asking, why didn't you take Adrian with you? 406 00:22:54,326 --> 00:22:55,725 I don't remember. 407 00:22:59,286 --> 00:23:00,646 Are you finished? 408 00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:04,685 Thank you. 409 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:55,630 What's wrong with you? 410 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:58,071 I had the police round. 411 00:23:59,430 --> 00:24:03,071 Asking about an old khaki pair of bathers of yours. 412 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:04,470 What's that about? 413 00:24:04,471 --> 00:24:06,350 - Did they find them? - No. 414 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:09,237 They took all your clothes when you were arrested. You know that. 415 00:24:09,238 --> 00:24:13,014 I want you to get hold of Adrian. Find out if he's got them. 416 00:24:13,831 --> 00:24:15,429 I don't have a number for him. 417 00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:18,149 Well, Shirley's daughter, she's a receptionist in the hospital. 418 00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:19,990 She'll give it to you. You're his mother. 419 00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:22,190 You're telling me... 420 00:24:22,231 --> 00:24:23,589 to get in touch with Adrian? 421 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:25,071 Yes! 422 00:24:30,910 --> 00:24:33,949 Forensics said they took it apart, tested every nook and cranny, 423 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:35,710 every millimetre of the shoulder strap. 424 00:24:35,711 --> 00:24:38,270 Yeah, they also said re-testing it for DNA 425 00:24:38,271 --> 00:24:40,909 would be a complete waste of Ottawa's money and their time. 426 00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:43,511 That's not their call to make. 427 00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:46,110 Where are we with the forensics budget? 428 00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:47,551 17,000 left. 429 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,110 Out of 350,000. 430 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:50,471 Jesus... 431 00:24:50,511 --> 00:24:52,389 Boss, I'm not convinced we're getting 432 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,790 the best possible bang for our buck here. 433 00:24:54,791 --> 00:24:57,310 I think we should have a sit-down with Dr Gallop. 434 00:24:57,311 --> 00:25:01,151 Make sure we're not getting sidelined by some big London job. 435 00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:04,349 Is that metal I can see through the paint? 436 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:07,349 It's where the finish has worn off. That thing was made in the 1940s. 437 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:10,429 - And that's the manufacturer's finish? - Yeah, we assumed. 438 00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:14,078 Obviously, we've not seen the thing in the flesh. Assumed? 439 00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:16,390 Really, Lynne? Glyn? 440 00:25:18,831 --> 00:25:21,967 Did Huntsman recover any paint from Cooper's home? 441 00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:24,429 Yeah, six pots in the shed. 442 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,429 Nige, get the Huntsman shed file. 443 00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:27,870 Any of them black? 444 00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:30,471 Yeah. 445 00:25:30,511 --> 00:25:31,991 JAW/100. 446 00:25:33,071 --> 00:25:34,430 JAW/100... 447 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:46,071 I want that taken out of storage. 448 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,349 Your team have been on this case for 18 months now 449 00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,189 and all we've got to show for it is 450 00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:03,390 a partial for Peter Dixon's DNA on a piece of rope. 451 00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:06,190 With respect, we're seeing this a lot. 452 00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,231 This obsession with DNA at the expense of... 453 00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:13,230 ...well, other, less fashionable avenues of analysis. 454 00:26:13,231 --> 00:26:17,711 Ottawa's insistence that we focus solely on DNA 455 00:26:17,751 --> 00:26:19,909 has put my team in a straitjacket. 456 00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:22,854 No. No, no, no. We asked you to prioritise DNA, 457 00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:24,669 but not to the exclusion of everything else. 458 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:27,109 But that's the impression you gave my colleague. 459 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:28,670 Dr Gallop... 460 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:31,990 ...let's say we remove the straitjacket. 461 00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:33,950 How would that change things? 462 00:26:33,991 --> 00:26:36,230 Well, it would allow us to widen our search, 463 00:26:36,231 --> 00:26:38,910 look for other types of evidence. 464 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:42,311 Now, we're agreed that the killer wore gloves, yes? 465 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:44,149 We look for textile fibres. 466 00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:45,629 Fibres are circumstantial. 467 00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:48,190 - We need hard proof. - Yes, but... 468 00:26:48,231 --> 00:26:52,071 if we can find enough fibres linking culprit to victim, 469 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:54,910 it could tell an equally compelling story 470 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:56,629 about the circumstances of the crimes. 471 00:26:56,630 --> 00:27:00,278 Maybe even get you over the charge threshold with the CPS. 472 00:27:03,311 --> 00:27:04,390 OK. 473 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:05,550 Let's go for it. 474 00:27:05,551 --> 00:27:07,350 All right. 475 00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:09,910 We have one other request. 476 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:11,590 We believe... 477 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,270 that this is the Coastal Path murder weapon. 478 00:27:14,271 --> 00:27:15,630 Yeah, PH/2. 479 00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:17,869 I heard you'd asked the team to have another look. 480 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:20,070 Yes, but this is a different request. 481 00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:21,550 Among the items recovered by Huntsman 482 00:27:21,551 --> 00:27:22,790 from the shed at Cooper's home 483 00:27:22,791 --> 00:27:26,831 was this 750ml tin of Anvileen satin black metal paint. 484 00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:32,991 I think Cooper painted the barrels of the gun 485 00:27:33,031 --> 00:27:34,790 to make it less visible at night. 486 00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:35,991 Hm. 487 00:27:36,031 --> 00:27:37,270 The murders were in 1989. 488 00:27:37,271 --> 00:27:41,630 Anvileen didn't manufacture this particular paint until 1995. 489 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:44,190 So, if PH/2 is the murder weapon, 490 00:27:44,231 --> 00:27:47,991 there could still be trace DNA under the paint. 491 00:27:48,031 --> 00:27:50,630 Well, that's more than six years. 492 00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:52,869 During which the gun would've been cleaned, 493 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:55,203 rained on, exposed to the elements. 494 00:27:56,271 --> 00:28:00,303 Are you sure this is the best use of what's left of your budget? 495 00:28:01,870 --> 00:28:03,150 I'm sure. 496 00:28:04,471 --> 00:28:05,711 All right. 497 00:28:36,991 --> 00:28:38,271 Hello? 498 00:28:40,271 --> 00:28:41,751 Hello, Adrian. 499 00:29:16,231 --> 00:29:18,429 - Hello?- How did you get my number? 500 00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:20,271 Nice to hear from you, too! 501 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:24,910 What do you want? 502 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:26,883 Just to find out how you are. 503 00:29:29,231 --> 00:29:31,164 I heard you were in hospital. 504 00:29:33,311 --> 00:29:36,211 Why did you go and do a silly thing like that? 505 00:29:39,271 --> 00:29:40,751 It was nothing. 506 00:29:40,791 --> 00:29:42,231 A mistake. 507 00:29:43,831 --> 00:29:46,164 I thought I could come and see you. 508 00:29:48,271 --> 00:29:50,390 It's not a good time. 509 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:51,990 I'm doing the place up. 510 00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:53,390 It's a bombsite. 511 00:29:54,471 --> 00:29:56,791 So, come to mine, then. 512 00:30:05,511 --> 00:30:08,149 Ah, boss. Ollie Wakefield from the CPS called you. 513 00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:09,390 Great. 514 00:30:10,471 --> 00:30:11,830 Ollie, Steve Wilkins. 515 00:30:11,831 --> 00:30:13,071 Listen... 516 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:14,831 Ottawa needs a favour. 517 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:16,349 The governor at Dyffryn Prison 518 00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:18,550 refuses to delay Cooper's second parole hearing. 519 00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:21,550 And I think a word from the CPS might persuade the man 520 00:30:21,551 --> 00:30:22,790 to see some sense. 521 00:30:22,791 --> 00:30:25,150 The case, it isn't there, Steve. 522 00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:27,869 You know what the prison services will say. No hard evidence. 523 00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:30,310 - I'm sorry. - Ollie, if he is released 524 00:30:30,311 --> 00:30:32,790 back into the community and he hurts someone, 525 00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:35,510 "institutionally incompetent" will be a happy memory 526 00:30:35,511 --> 00:30:38,950 when we are up to our necks in public inquiries. 527 00:30:38,991 --> 00:30:41,524 You're that convinced he'll kill again? 528 00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:43,950 He's a serial killer. 529 00:30:43,991 --> 00:30:45,751 Serial killers don't... 530 00:30:45,791 --> 00:30:47,430 They can't stop. 531 00:30:47,471 --> 00:30:49,990 Steve, inevitable mutterings have started. 532 00:30:49,991 --> 00:30:52,391 There's talk of shutting Ottawa down. 533 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:29,870 Hi, Ma. 534 00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:34,231 What happened to you? 535 00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:37,271 An accident at work. 536 00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:58,417 I thought you might be peckish. 537 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,430 Are you still visiting him? 538 00:32:08,471 --> 00:32:10,031 Every week. 539 00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:15,071 Is he gonna live here with you when he gets out? 540 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:16,831 I'm his wife. 541 00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:18,737 Where else is he gonna live? 542 00:32:24,311 --> 00:32:26,550 He's a bit worked up at the moment. 543 00:32:26,551 --> 00:32:28,884 The police are bothering him again. 544 00:32:30,231 --> 00:32:31,390 Oh, yeah? 545 00:32:33,711 --> 00:32:34,991 Actually... 546 00:32:36,511 --> 00:32:38,031 it's a silly thing. 547 00:32:39,551 --> 00:32:43,263 You don't have an old pair of khaki bathers of his, do you? 548 00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:50,524 Still running things, even from in prison. 549 00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:55,990 It wasn't true what I said earlier about an accident at work. 550 00:32:57,271 --> 00:32:58,751 He did this to me. 551 00:32:58,791 --> 00:33:01,109 The same year you had those stupid photos done, 552 00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:02,670 he broke my back. 553 00:33:02,711 --> 00:33:04,189 He didn't break your back. 554 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:08,189 A year ago, I was fit and strong, working in Ireland, hod-carrying. 555 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:11,390 One morning, it was like I was struck by lightning. 556 00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:13,911 Nine hours of surgery. 557 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:17,511 Rods and screws in my pelvis and spine. 558 00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:19,911 I thought it was the work that caused it, but the consultant 559 00:33:19,912 --> 00:33:22,553 told me it was an injury from childhood. 560 00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:27,070 Straight away, I knew it was that punch in the back. 561 00:33:27,071 --> 00:33:30,349 You knew something was seriously wrong when it happened, 562 00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:32,270 but you didn't take me to the hospital 563 00:33:32,271 --> 00:33:34,869 because he was worried someone might be suspicious. 564 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:36,389 I never knew it was serious. 565 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:37,751 I couldn't move! 566 00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:42,623 You left me to lie in my own urine for five days. 567 00:33:44,271 --> 00:33:46,938 You didn't even change my sopping sheets. 568 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,038 You brought me plenty of toast and strawberry jam, though! 569 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,710 A couple of weeks later, you left me with nan 570 00:33:54,711 --> 00:33:56,911 and all took off for sunny Spain. 571 00:34:00,151 --> 00:34:02,470 I was 12 years old. 572 00:34:03,711 --> 00:34:06,378 We thought it was better that you rested. 573 00:34:08,390 --> 00:34:09,989 What's wrong with you? 574 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:12,831 I didn't know. 575 00:34:17,711 --> 00:34:19,271 Don't go, Adrian. 576 00:34:19,311 --> 00:34:21,310 I didn't just call you because he told me to. 577 00:34:21,311 --> 00:34:23,231 I've missed you. 578 00:34:35,671 --> 00:34:37,950 Second time lucky. 579 00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:39,430 I got it? 580 00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:41,110 Congratulations, John. 581 00:34:41,111 --> 00:34:43,311 You're gonna be out by Christmas. 582 00:34:47,910 --> 00:34:49,271 Well done. 583 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:15,151 Yup. Well... 584 00:35:15,191 --> 00:35:16,991 thanks for letting me know. 585 00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:24,429 I can't believe they're letting him out now. 586 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:26,591 We're so close. 587 00:35:26,631 --> 00:35:27,950 Are we, though? 588 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:32,358 I'm gonna put that down to exhaustion and a shit day. 589 00:35:33,751 --> 00:35:35,949 Do you know what I do after a shit day? 590 00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:36,990 What? 591 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:38,510 I go home... 592 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,198 and I eat a large amount of unhealthy food with my family. 593 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:44,950 Go home, Steve. 594 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:46,430 Be with your boy. 595 00:35:47,631 --> 00:35:48,870 Evening! 596 00:35:50,111 --> 00:35:52,311 Jack? 597 00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:54,030 I've got fish and chips! 598 00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:08,909 Hey, it's Jack Wilkins. I'm not here at the moment. 599 00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:11,810 Just leave a message and I'll get back to you. 600 00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:23,070 Finally! 601 00:36:24,191 --> 00:36:27,550 You know, I'd appreciate it if, once in a blue moon, 602 00:36:27,591 --> 00:36:30,535 you'd answer your phone or responded to a text. 603 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:34,869 Have you been drinking, by any chance? 604 00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:36,737 Yeah, I've been celebrating! 605 00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:38,550 Celebrating what? 606 00:36:38,591 --> 00:36:40,430 I made the county team. 607 00:36:42,231 --> 00:36:44,898 Thanks for being there for me today, Dad! 608 00:36:45,311 --> 00:36:46,671 Shit...! 609 00:36:48,271 --> 00:36:49,550 Jack! 610 00:36:49,591 --> 00:36:51,550 Jack! 611 00:36:59,791 --> 00:37:01,271 Leave me alone. 612 00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:04,030 There's no need for that. 613 00:37:05,631 --> 00:37:06,950 I'm sorry, Jack. 614 00:37:08,711 --> 00:37:12,751 You made such a big deal about us spending more time together. 615 00:37:12,791 --> 00:37:16,150 But you just can't do it. You're so fucking obsessed with your work. 616 00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:17,310 You're a shit dad. 617 00:37:17,311 --> 00:37:19,644 Hey, now, come on. That's not fair. 618 00:37:21,271 --> 00:37:22,989 Look, I'm sorry I forgot about the trial. 619 00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:25,123 I'm sorry I'm not a perfect dad. 620 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:29,030 It's no excuse. 621 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:31,137 I took my eye off the ball, OK? 622 00:37:35,311 --> 00:37:36,470 OK. 623 00:37:42,831 --> 00:37:44,111 Have you eaten? 624 00:37:44,151 --> 00:37:45,430 Yeah. 625 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:46,990 Right, well... 626 00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:48,831 get some kip. 627 00:38:04,565 --> 00:38:06,363 This is last chance saloon, guys. 628 00:38:06,364 --> 00:38:08,084 Cooper will be home in a week. 629 00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:10,645 We have got to go over everything. 630 00:38:11,844 --> 00:38:14,511 I mean, not having a photograph of Cooper 631 00:38:14,524 --> 00:38:17,084 that we can compare to the artist's impression, 632 00:38:17,085 --> 00:38:18,765 it's a hole in our case. 633 00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:22,884 Nige, Glyn, doorstep his and Pat's relatives. 634 00:38:22,924 --> 00:38:25,724 Tell them that we need family photographs for our records. 635 00:38:25,725 --> 00:38:26,884 Yes, boss. 636 00:38:26,924 --> 00:38:28,285 I'll drive. 637 00:38:43,285 --> 00:38:44,645 Andrew... 638 00:38:48,364 --> 00:38:50,364 What about Pat? 639 00:38:50,404 --> 00:38:53,323 He'll be housed somewhere else, right? She can't live with him now. 640 00:38:53,324 --> 00:38:55,043 They've been married a long time, Andrew. 641 00:38:55,044 --> 00:38:57,484 If he was gonna do something to her, he'd have done it by now. 642 00:38:57,485 --> 00:38:59,085 You don't know that. 643 00:38:59,884 --> 00:39:03,980 He's been in prison ten years. Who knows what that's done to him? 644 00:39:04,645 --> 00:39:06,379 She's still scared of him. 645 00:39:07,085 --> 00:39:08,924 I went to see her. 646 00:39:08,964 --> 00:39:11,125 She called me. 647 00:39:12,165 --> 00:39:13,364 I thought... 648 00:39:14,765 --> 00:39:17,665 I thought she wanted a mother-and-son reunion. 649 00:39:18,285 --> 00:39:20,552 But she was just following orders. 650 00:39:22,044 --> 00:39:25,604 He wanted her to find out if I had an old pair of bathers of his. 651 00:39:25,605 --> 00:39:27,672 Does that mean anything to you? 652 00:39:28,205 --> 00:39:30,364 Do you have them? 653 00:39:30,404 --> 00:39:32,565 I wouldn't wear anything of his. 654 00:39:35,444 --> 00:39:37,124 Get down there, Jack! 655 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:38,765 Come on! 656 00:39:40,765 --> 00:39:42,924 Corner. 657 00:39:44,205 --> 00:39:46,324 Right, on it! 658 00:39:48,524 --> 00:39:49,924 Yes! 659 00:39:49,964 --> 00:39:51,205 Go on, son! 660 00:39:52,364 --> 00:39:53,524 Yes! 661 00:39:55,444 --> 00:39:58,164 - So, the scout was there again today. - He was? Did he speak to you? 662 00:39:58,165 --> 00:40:01,032 He's gonna give me a ring after the weekend. 663 00:40:01,245 --> 00:40:04,124 - Thanks for being there today, Dad. - Oh, my pleasure, sunshine. 664 00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:07,003 - I'm sorry I've been a bit of a pain. - Oh, don't you worry about it. 665 00:40:07,004 --> 00:40:08,725 Hey, I'll see you later. 666 00:40:08,765 --> 00:40:11,164 - You're not coming in? - I'd better not. 667 00:40:11,165 --> 00:40:14,004 Is it something to do with work? 668 00:40:14,044 --> 00:40:16,944 - It's one of his old haunts. - You're joking? 669 00:40:17,484 --> 00:40:20,244 I shouldn't go in. Someone might recognise me. 670 00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:21,685 So? 671 00:40:21,725 --> 00:40:24,084 Well, I don't want you connected to me. 672 00:40:24,085 --> 00:40:25,765 It's just a precaution. 673 00:40:25,805 --> 00:40:27,843 It's fine. I'll go in ahead of you. 674 00:40:27,844 --> 00:40:30,484 Aren't you curious to see inside? 675 00:40:30,524 --> 00:40:32,524 Come on, you know you want to. 676 00:40:35,004 --> 00:40:37,904 It's fine. Go on, I'll pick you up in an hour. 677 00:41:11,964 --> 00:41:14,245 A pint of lager shandy, please. 678 00:41:22,844 --> 00:41:24,245 All right, lads? 679 00:41:41,565 --> 00:41:43,324 Excuse me. 680 00:41:43,364 --> 00:41:44,884 Dyfed Powys Police. 681 00:41:47,884 --> 00:41:50,565 Can you identify the man in the picture? 682 00:41:50,605 --> 00:41:54,205 With the 'tache? Aye, that's Johnny Cooper. 683 00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:55,644 When was the photograph taken? 684 00:41:55,645 --> 00:41:57,844 I don't know, the late '80s. 685 00:41:57,884 --> 00:42:00,084 Probably about the time he was on that... 686 00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:02,764 What do you call it? That darts quiz show on telly. 687 00:42:02,765 --> 00:42:05,165 - Bullseye? - Aye. That's the one. 688 00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:12,524 Bullseye, 1989. 689 00:42:14,205 --> 00:42:16,364 You are shitting me! 690 00:42:16,404 --> 00:42:18,124 The year he killed the Dixons, 691 00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:20,323 Cooper was throwing darts on national television. 692 00:42:20,324 --> 00:42:21,404 On ITV! 693 00:42:21,444 --> 00:42:24,900 We've been looking for a photo of the bastard from '89. 694 00:42:24,924 --> 00:42:27,791 And we might well have a whole bloody video. 695 00:42:28,605 --> 00:42:30,364 Jesus Christ...! 696 00:43:18,404 --> 00:43:19,924 Welcome home, love. 697 00:43:24,484 --> 00:43:25,605 What? 698 00:43:26,844 --> 00:43:28,205 Come here. 699 00:43:35,205 --> 00:43:38,883 So, Bullseye was produced by Central Television in Birmingham. 700 00:43:38,884 --> 00:43:42,084 But recordings of old shows are held in an archive in Leeds. 701 00:43:42,085 --> 00:43:43,523 Now, the librarian there 702 00:43:43,524 --> 00:43:45,564 has been going through lists of old contestants 703 00:43:45,565 --> 00:43:47,565 from old shows from the '80s. 704 00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:49,404 And in series nine, 705 00:43:49,444 --> 00:43:53,204 there's two contestants identified as being from South Pembrokeshire. 706 00:43:53,205 --> 00:43:58,004 Now, the episode they were in was broadcast in October '89. 707 00:43:58,044 --> 00:44:00,685 But it was recorded on 28th May. 708 00:44:02,364 --> 00:44:05,500 A month and a day before the Dixons were murdered. 709 00:44:17,765 --> 00:44:21,733 - So, you've got the tapes, then? - Yeah, they've just arrived. 710 00:44:24,924 --> 00:44:27,444 It's a bull's-eye! 711 00:44:27,484 --> 00:44:29,324 And here's your host... 712 00:44:29,364 --> 00:44:31,043 - Jim Bowen!- Good evening. 713 00:44:31,044 --> 00:44:32,685 Welcome to Bullseye. 714 00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:35,733 Can you just fast-forward it to the contestants? 715 00:44:38,165 --> 00:44:39,645 Good. 716 00:44:39,692 --> 00:44:41,564 You've got an unusual hobby, John. 717 00:44:41,565 --> 00:44:44,363 Oh, yes, the scuba diving. The scuba diving. 718 00:44:44,364 --> 00:44:46,644 It's the place to do it down there, isn't it? 719 00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:48,323 Well, we've got the coastline, yes. 720 00:44:48,324 --> 00:44:51,124 And there's the shoulder-length hair he never had. 721 00:44:51,125 --> 00:44:52,604 Well, we've got the deep water... 722 00:44:52,605 --> 00:44:54,804 And you can swim over mountains and all sorts. 723 00:44:54,805 --> 00:44:58,901 We hope you all have a good night. Give them a round of applause. 724 00:45:10,605 --> 00:45:12,125 Best of luck, John. 725 00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,245 That's five. 726 00:45:15,285 --> 00:45:16,444 '20. 727 00:45:18,605 --> 00:45:19,805 And one. 728 00:45:19,844 --> 00:45:21,125 26. 729 00:45:37,165 --> 00:45:39,003 '36, and takes the first round. 730 00:45:39,004 --> 00:45:42,908 Right, John, it's only £36, but you really could do with this. 731 00:45:43,085 --> 00:45:45,285 What are you having a bath for? 732 00:45:46,404 --> 00:45:47,884 I won't be long! 733 00:45:49,004 --> 00:45:51,471 - I could get in with you. - No, John. 734 00:45:52,085 --> 00:45:53,924 - I'm shy. - Shy? 735 00:45:53,964 --> 00:45:56,231 I've seen it all before, you know? 736 00:45:58,685 --> 00:46:01,004 Come on, missus, let me in. 737 00:46:10,685 --> 00:46:12,164 Can you pause it there, please? 738 00:46:12,165 --> 00:46:14,285 Rewind a bit. 739 00:46:14,324 --> 00:46:15,484 There. 740 00:46:21,924 --> 00:46:25,044 It may not prove he killed the Dixons. 741 00:46:25,085 --> 00:46:28,349 But it proves what he looked like four weeks before. 742 00:46:39,805 --> 00:46:41,924 999, which service? 743 00:46:43,725 --> 00:46:44,924 Hello? 744 00:46:46,205 --> 00:46:49,964 MUSIC: Suo Gan 55450

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