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...two, one.
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Good evening.
We are live in Pembrokeshire,
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where there have been
dramatic developments
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involving two of Wales'
most baffling crimes.
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Decades on, these two double murders
are being reinvestigated.
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Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins
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is the man
leading this reinvestigation.
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Developments in DNA analysis
have revolutionised
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cold case reviews.
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As a team, we have brought
these processes to bear on these
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two investigations, and
they have had a significant impact.
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And do you think
it's the same local man responsible
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for all four murders?
- I do believe that, Jonathan.
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Thanks to the advances
in DNA forensic science,
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we are now
in a much stronger position
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to catch the person responsible.
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- Happy?
- That went quick.
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- Not so bad, was it?
- No. Thank you.
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Prisoner Intelligence say
that Cooper's new favourite place
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is the library.
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His specialist subject - DNA.
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The news item worked.
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He's worried we've found something.
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Oh, a date for the diary.
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Dyffryn Prison's governor has given
us our dates for the interviews.
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A month from now.
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Monday, June 30th
to Wednesday, July 2nd.
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We've got three days
to get inside his head,
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find out the exhibits
that give him night sweats.
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Rambo, we should find out if there
are any psychologists out there
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who have interviewed him.
We want their insights.
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Right you are.
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Boss, that was
Pembroke Dock Police Station.
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Andrew Cooper was found collapsed
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by the railway tracks last night
outside Fishguard.
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He was taken to Withybush Hospital.
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He claimed he overdid it
on his pain medication.
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By the railway tracks?
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Apparently, he's adamant
he wasn't trying to kill himself.
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He checked out of the hospital
this morning.
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Tried to kill himself?
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Didn't try very hard, did he?
He's still breathing.
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John...
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Anyway, guess what?
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The police want to interview me.
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That stuff on the news.
I'm their bloody suspect.
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- Why you?
- Well, it's the same as before, hm?
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Cos it's easier
to frame an innocent man
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than it is for them to do their job.
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Now, you'd better be on your toes.
They might wanna talk to you.
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Talk to me?
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What about?
I don't know anything.
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When they come knocking,
that's exactly what you tell them.
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And don't go running off to Adrian
cos you feel sorry him. He's a rat.
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And anything you say to him
will go directly back to the police.
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I'm coming!
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Hello, Andrew.
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Hello.
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Sorry to bother you.
I heard you'd been in hospital.
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How are you doing?
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I'm fine.
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Well, I just wanted you to know
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that if you feel like
you need some support,
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we can sort something for you.
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I don't need anything like that.
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You don't have to worry about me.
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Dr Harry Stephens...
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...is a forensic psychologist
from Liverpool University.
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Now, he interviewed Cooper
for a book about violent offenders.
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He's the only person
to have gone on record
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as saying that Cooper
is a psychopath.
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He also told us that,
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like most psychopaths,
Cooper is a narcissist
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and we should treat him accordingly.
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Like royalty.
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Er, pamper him
into a false sense of security.
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Nige, we need you to find a suitable
station for the interviews.
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Sterile, clean, quiet holding cells.
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And make sure the custody sergeant
is very charming.
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Yes, boss.
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Dr Stephens also recommended
that one of the interview team
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be a woman.
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Yeah, apparently, Cooper has a very
low opinion of female intelligence.
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And a woman opposite him
might make him drop his guard.
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- Are you up for that, missus?
- Let me at him.
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That's settled, then.
You and Rambo in the room.
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- What about you, boss?
- I don't think it's clever.
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We know he's seen me on TV.
I'm the face of the investigation.
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That could rattle him.
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No, I shall sit in the cheap seats
with you lot on video link.
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Hey, here's to our interview team,
then.
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Rambo and Bimbo.
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Oh...!
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I'll ask you again, John.
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Regarding the murders
of Peter and Gwenda Dixon,
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were you the person responsible?
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He starts off cooperative.
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Then, when your man
gets heavy-handed,
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down comes the portcullis.
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So, we keep it non-confrontational.
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Er, maybe even avoid any direct
questions about the murders.
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If we can't talk about the murders,
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how are we supposed
to get anything useful out of him?
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You talk about the exhibits.
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That's what this is all about,
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trying to draw out
which ones he's worried about,
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which ones he thinks might bear
a trace of his or his victims' DNA.
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Jack?
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Someone's keen.
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I've got a trial for the county.
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No way!
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Ah, that's great.
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Well done, Wilkins Junior!
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Do you think you can come along?
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- No, it's OK.
- No, no, no.
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Bollocks. I'll be there.
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Well done, son!
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- Food?
- Aye.
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All right?
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Yeah.
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I'll see you in sunny Ammanford.
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Steve Wilkins.
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Hello, boss, this is Control.
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Cooper has left Dyffryn Prison.
ETA Ammanford 09:00.
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They're all set up for you.
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I found the kitchen, boss.
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Thanks.
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Yep?
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He's here.
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Good morning, John.
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I hope you had
a comfortable journey.
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Oh, yes.
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Business class.
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See, it doesn't cost anything
to be polite.
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He takes the bait.
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He's old.
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He still looks strong, though.
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All right, boss.
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Morning.
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Good morning, John.
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Where's the big cheese, then,
the one off the telly?
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Detective Superintendent Wilkins
won't be joining us, John.
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Oh, he likes to watch, does he?
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OK, John...
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...1978.
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The year you won Spot The Ball.
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£94,000
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That's about £800,000
in today's money.
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Your life was good at the time.
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You bought Big House Farm
at Rosemarket.
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Your wife told Huntsman
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you also took your brothers
and their families to Spain.
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- I certainly did.
- You didn't take Adrian.
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Why was that, John?
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I don't know.
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Maybe he was ill with his asthma.
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You've been talking to him,
have you?
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No, John.
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We have his statements
from Huntsman.
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So, John...
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...things were going well.
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You were buying and selling
properties.
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But then the money worries started.
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Well, an estate agent tricked me
out of a lot of money.
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My solicitor lied to me.
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When you come into a bit of money,
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well, the cockroaches
come out of the woodwork.
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It can't have been easy,
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moving from Big House Farm,
making the adjustment
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from owning your own place
to renting at 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
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A man doesn't sit around moping.
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He's got to get out there,
got to get grafting.
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Between 1978 and 1983,
you spent over £125,000.
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That's £35,000 more
than your winnings on Spot The Ball.
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Well, you've got to speculate
to accumulate.
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Is that when you started gambling?
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What, £3 or £4 a week?
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A 50p round robin?
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I'd hardly call that gambling.
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Adrian told Huntsman
you bet £1,000 on one race.
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He misremembered.
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April 20th, 1983.
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Clareston Hall, Freystrop.
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Your first conviction for burglary.
Is that your idea of grafting, John?
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I don't like your tone.
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Oh, don't shut down, John boy.
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John...
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...if you don't want to talk to us,
we'll respect that.
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You can go back to Dyffryn Prison
today.
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I'm not a thief.
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Well done, Rambo.
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OK. You told Huntsman
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that you visited Scoveston Park
for the first time in August 1984,
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when you went to meet
Richard and Helen Thomas
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about working on their land.
Is that correct, John?
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I know what Adrian told Huntsman
about Scoveston Park.
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About me telling him and his mother
to lie to the police
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about us all being in that night,
the night of the fire.
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That the truth was,
according to him,
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that I came home late
smelling of a bonfire.
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Now, you say you haven't spoken to
him. Fair enough.
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But there's something
I want to get off my chest.
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Everything that comes out
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of that boy's mouth is lies.
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Has been ever since
we didn't take him to Spain.
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When me and Pat got back...
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he was a different boy.
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He was surly.
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He was disobedient.
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Bunking off school.
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Smoking wacky baccy.
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Forging cheques.
Stealing money... off us.
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And all because
we didn't take him on holiday.
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As a father...
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I take no pleasure in saying this.
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But the truth is, the real truth,
the night of the fire...
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...the murders...
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Adrian was the one
who came home late.
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He's pointing the finger
at his own son?
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Piece of filth.
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You know, I've been across the table
from wife-beaters,
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rapists, paedophiles.
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- And I let him get to me.
- And you made something happen.
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When he feels under threat,
he blames Adrian.
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That's something to keep an eye on.
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So...
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- tomorrow...
- Huntsman.
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With particular emphasis
on our prime exhibits.
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There you go, look at that.
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Now, John, I want to ask you
about some exhibits
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found by Operation Huntsman.
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Some of them pertain
to one particular robbery,
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the so-called Sardis robbery,
for which you were convicted.
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Wrongly convicted.
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For the tape,
I am showing Mr Cooper a photograph
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of Huntsman exhibit BB/109,
a black glove.
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Do you recognise this glove, John?
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I haven't got the foggiest.
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I had a bit of an accident
last night.
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I can't see a thing without them.
Sorry.
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I know you're on a tight schedule.
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We know you had a problem
with your glasses during Huntsman.
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We got your prescription
from Dyffryn Prison.
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Just in case.
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I don't actually wear gloves.
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Adrian's the glove-wearer
in the family.
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For the tape, evidence photo
of Huntsman exhibit MTJ/14.
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Black balaclava.
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Do you recognise this balaclava,
John?
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Do you remember that
Huntsman found head hairs inside it
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that were forensically tested
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and confirmed to be yours?
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Yes.
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And yet you said it wasn't yours.
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That... was a mistake.
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00:15:28,086 --> 00:15:30,352
I was wrong.
I think that was mine.
257
00:15:37,846 --> 00:15:41,302
Ten years in prison,
a man gets into a lot of thinking.
258
00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:44,644
He remembers things that he hasn't
thought about for ages.
259
00:15:44,645 --> 00:15:46,845
And one of the things I do remember,
260
00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:49,206
and it was about 20 years ago,
261
00:15:49,246 --> 00:15:50,924
was I did used to have
a black balaclava
262
00:15:50,925 --> 00:15:53,125
just like that one
that I used to wear
263
00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,965
when I went fishing
with a boat that I had.
264
00:15:54,966 --> 00:15:59,005
Well, remembering that,
everything slotted into place.
265
00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:02,181
There's only one explanation
that makes any sense.
266
00:16:03,326 --> 00:16:05,246
I didn't lose the balaclava.
267
00:16:05,285 --> 00:16:07,606
It was stolen.
268
00:16:07,645 --> 00:16:10,004
By the same individual
who did the robbery
269
00:16:10,005 --> 00:16:12,246
that I was wrongly convicted of.
270
00:16:14,885 --> 00:16:16,045
OK, John.
271
00:16:16,086 --> 00:16:17,285
On we go.
272
00:16:17,326 --> 00:16:18,924
Huntsman exhibits...
273
00:16:18,925 --> 00:16:21,405
PAS/1, a sawn-off shotgun,
274
00:16:21,446 --> 00:16:23,326
and PH/2,
275
00:16:23,366 --> 00:16:26,325
a sawn-off shotgun
with customised shoulder strap.
276
00:16:26,326 --> 00:16:28,805
Do you recognise these shotguns,
John?
277
00:16:28,846 --> 00:16:30,579
You're trying to trick me.
278
00:16:31,805 --> 00:16:33,326
This gun is mine.
279
00:16:33,366 --> 00:16:35,326
This one is not.
280
00:16:35,366 --> 00:16:38,645
Huntsman found this gun,
wrapped in oilcloth,
281
00:16:38,685 --> 00:16:41,044
buried underneath the duck run
at your home.
282
00:16:41,045 --> 00:16:42,565
Why did you bury it, John?
283
00:16:42,566 --> 00:16:45,164
I didn't want Adrian to find it.
Didn't want him hurting himself.
284
00:16:45,165 --> 00:16:46,846
And this gun, PH/2,
285
00:16:46,885 --> 00:16:50,486
was found with the glove
and balaclava under the hedge
286
00:16:50,525 --> 00:16:53,045
close to the scene
of the Sardis robbery.
287
00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:55,765
I'm aware. Huntsman must have
told me about a hundred times.
288
00:16:55,766 --> 00:16:57,285
If you look closely, John,
289
00:16:57,286 --> 00:17:01,126
you will see that both guns
have the same modifications.
290
00:17:01,165 --> 00:17:04,286
Sawn-off barrels
and sawn-down stocks.
291
00:17:04,326 --> 00:17:06,606
Screws in both barrels and stocks
292
00:17:06,645 --> 00:17:08,325
for a shoulder strap.
293
00:17:09,086 --> 00:17:12,086
John, how do you account
for the fact that
294
00:17:12,126 --> 00:17:15,405
the very same
distinctive DIY modifications
295
00:17:15,445 --> 00:17:17,644
- were made to both shotguns?
- Coincidence.
296
00:17:17,645 --> 00:17:19,964
Stranger things have happened,
right?
297
00:17:19,965 --> 00:17:22,165
And while we're on the subject...
298
00:17:23,405 --> 00:17:27,644
...I want to talk about the gun that
Huntsman found under the hedge.
299
00:17:27,645 --> 00:17:28,885
For the tape.
300
00:17:28,925 --> 00:17:30,326
Here we go again.
301
00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:33,365
During the Huntsman trial,
and I remember this very clearly
302
00:17:33,366 --> 00:17:35,924
because I thought
it was very strange at the time,
303
00:17:35,925 --> 00:17:40,341
the prosecution barrister handed me
the gun on more than one occasion.
304
00:17:41,445 --> 00:17:44,566
Well, what I'm saying is,
if my DNA is on that,
305
00:17:44,606 --> 00:17:46,286
that's the reason why.
306
00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,684
His time in the library
was well-spent.
307
00:17:54,685 --> 00:17:57,086
He's digging his own grave.
308
00:17:57,126 --> 00:17:59,366
Today was a result for us.
309
00:17:59,405 --> 00:18:00,444
The lengths he went to
310
00:18:00,445 --> 00:18:05,126
to distance himself from the Sardis
exhibits means we are bang-on.
311
00:18:05,165 --> 00:18:08,485
His story about the gun
being handled in the trial.
312
00:18:08,526 --> 00:18:12,086
The balaclava being stolen
20 years before, in 1988,
313
00:18:12,126 --> 00:18:14,059
the year before Coastal Path.
314
00:18:15,126 --> 00:18:18,325
He wasn't just telling us
the man who stole the balaclava
315
00:18:18,326 --> 00:18:19,565
did the Sardis robbery,
316
00:18:19,566 --> 00:18:21,484
he was saying the man
murdered the Dixons.
317
00:18:21,485 --> 00:18:24,164
Today, he confirmed
what we'd always suspected.
318
00:18:24,165 --> 00:18:26,884
And he gave us something new
into the bargain.
319
00:18:26,885 --> 00:18:29,606
When he killed
Peter and Gwenda Dixon...
320
00:18:29,645 --> 00:18:31,326
he wore that balaclava.
321
00:18:31,366 --> 00:18:34,164
And PH/2 is, without a doubt,
the murder weapon.
322
00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:36,964
What exhibits shall we send back
for re-testing, then, boss?
323
00:18:36,965 --> 00:18:38,684
The Sardis robbery gun
and the balaclava.
324
00:18:38,685 --> 00:18:40,125
Don't bother with the duck run gun.
325
00:18:40,126 --> 00:18:42,605
- Save that money for something else.
- What about the glove?
326
00:18:42,606 --> 00:18:46,766
He said Adrian was the glove-wearer.
That's got to mean something.
327
00:18:46,806 --> 00:18:48,326
Put it in.
328
00:18:48,366 --> 00:18:49,805
Don't all call me a twat at once...
329
00:18:49,806 --> 00:18:51,685
Twat!
330
00:18:51,725 --> 00:18:53,325
...but what's the point in re-testing
331
00:18:53,326 --> 00:18:55,525
when we already know
they'll come back negative?
332
00:18:55,526 --> 00:18:59,484
Testing for trace DNA is like
battleships. It's a guessing game.
333
00:18:59,485 --> 00:19:01,484
The boffins can't see
what they're looking for.
334
00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:03,484
They test small areas
they think are most likely
335
00:19:03,485 --> 00:19:05,165
and hope for the best.
336
00:19:06,326 --> 00:19:08,525
But there's always bits
that haven't been tested.
337
00:19:08,526 --> 00:19:09,525
So...
338
00:19:09,526 --> 00:19:11,992
...tomorrow is our last day with him.
339
00:19:12,766 --> 00:19:15,485
I'm happy to risk
a bit of confrontation.
340
00:19:15,526 --> 00:19:17,526
Rambo, I want Ella to lead.
341
00:19:17,566 --> 00:19:18,925
Right.
342
00:19:20,685 --> 00:19:22,551
Hey, don't leave me hanging!
343
00:19:30,685 --> 00:19:32,884
John, do you think
the man in the drawing
344
00:19:32,885 --> 00:19:37,086
bears any resemblance to yourself
as you were in July 1989?
345
00:19:39,885 --> 00:19:41,485
No, not at all.
346
00:19:43,485 --> 00:19:46,244
Even the detective who came round
the house said as much at the time.
347
00:19:46,245 --> 00:19:49,445
Detective Rees.
The one who used to drink with you?
348
00:19:49,725 --> 00:19:51,485
Yeah.
349
00:19:51,526 --> 00:19:54,125
So, John, how did you look
in July 1989?
350
00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,325
- Haven't you got any photographs?
- No, John.
351
00:19:56,326 --> 00:19:58,525
Which is why we'd appreciate
your help.
352
00:19:58,526 --> 00:20:02,046
- I don't remember. It was 20 years ago.
- 19, actually.
353
00:20:02,846 --> 00:20:04,005
Let me get this straight.
354
00:20:04,006 --> 00:20:05,924
You can't remember
how you looked back then,
355
00:20:05,925 --> 00:20:09,085
but you're confident that
this sketch, made at that time,
356
00:20:09,086 --> 00:20:11,086
doesn't resemble you at all.
357
00:20:11,126 --> 00:20:12,126
I'm sure.
358
00:20:12,165 --> 00:20:14,805
Because I know
I didn't have hair that long.
359
00:20:14,806 --> 00:20:17,484
- You never had collar-length hair?
- I don't like it on my neck.
360
00:20:17,485 --> 00:20:21,005
What about the clothes the man
in the drawing's wearing, John?
361
00:20:21,006 --> 00:20:22,444
I don't go in for shorts.
362
00:20:22,445 --> 00:20:24,766
Shorts were more Adrian's thing.
363
00:20:27,286 --> 00:20:29,806
Stick with the shorts, Ella.
364
00:20:29,846 --> 00:20:32,605
The witness who saw this man
using Peter Dixon's stolen cash card
365
00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:36,126
said that the shorts he was wearing
were khaki coloured.
366
00:20:36,366 --> 00:20:39,266
Did you ever own
a pair of khaki shorts, John?
367
00:20:39,566 --> 00:20:40,566
Yes.
368
00:20:41,846 --> 00:20:43,404
But they were more bathers
369
00:20:43,405 --> 00:20:45,245
than shorts.
370
00:20:45,286 --> 00:20:47,484
They were shorter.
Those are long shorts.
371
00:20:47,485 --> 00:20:49,325
Mine were short shorts,
more like bathers.
372
00:20:49,326 --> 00:20:52,205
Adrian used to wear them
more than I did.
373
00:20:52,245 --> 00:20:55,126
He was always borrowing my clothes.
374
00:21:08,606 --> 00:21:10,805
These are the only shorts
that Huntsman found
375
00:21:10,806 --> 00:21:13,445
at 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
376
00:21:13,485 --> 00:21:15,085
No khaki,
and they're all a lot shorter
377
00:21:15,086 --> 00:21:16,525
than the ones in the wanted photo.
378
00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:17,845
What about bathers?
379
00:21:17,846 --> 00:21:20,244
- He said that more than once.
- Bathers.
380
00:21:20,245 --> 00:21:22,724
Shorts. Swimming trucks. Trousers.
We did the lot.
381
00:21:22,725 --> 00:21:24,085
He said Andrew wore them.
382
00:21:24,086 --> 00:21:26,205
That's his tell.
383
00:21:26,245 --> 00:21:29,526
Something about those shorts
worries him.
384
00:21:29,566 --> 00:21:30,925
Why?
385
00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:34,031
And where the hell are they?
386
00:21:40,205 --> 00:21:41,805
Mrs Patricia Cooper?
387
00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:44,845
Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins.
388
00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:46,285
This is DI Ella Richards.
389
00:21:46,286 --> 00:21:47,924
Can we come in for a minute, please?
390
00:21:47,925 --> 00:21:49,685
Come in.
391
00:22:00,645 --> 00:22:02,325
You won't find anything.
392
00:22:04,405 --> 00:22:06,805
Well, you lot took everything
of John's nine years ago.
393
00:22:06,806 --> 00:22:08,326
Not us, Mrs Cooper.
394
00:22:09,526 --> 00:22:12,444
You used to work at Ocky White's,
didn't you, Mrs Cooper?
395
00:22:12,445 --> 00:22:14,778
I was the best seamstress they had.
396
00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:24,644
These were taken the year
your husband won on Spot The Ball?
397
00:22:24,645 --> 00:22:26,046
1978?
398
00:22:26,086 --> 00:22:27,806
- Yes?
- Yes.
399
00:22:29,725 --> 00:22:32,925
A professional photographer
came to the house.
400
00:22:32,965 --> 00:22:36,724
Do you have any later photographs
of the two of you, Mrs Cooper?
401
00:22:36,725 --> 00:22:37,885
No.
402
00:22:39,006 --> 00:22:41,139
We weren't big on family photos.
403
00:22:44,245 --> 00:22:48,205
1978, that was the year
you went on holiday to Spain, right?
404
00:22:49,526 --> 00:22:50,685
Yes.
405
00:22:50,725 --> 00:22:54,325
Do you mind me asking,
why didn't you take Adrian with you?
406
00:22:54,326 --> 00:22:55,725
I don't remember.
407
00:22:59,286 --> 00:23:00,646
Are you finished?
408
00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:04,685
Thank you.
409
00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:55,630
What's wrong with you?
410
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:58,071
I had the police round.
411
00:23:59,430 --> 00:24:03,071
Asking about an old khaki pair
of bathers of yours.
412
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:04,470
What's that about?
413
00:24:04,471 --> 00:24:06,350
- Did they find them?
- No.
414
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:09,237
They took all your clothes when
you were arrested. You know that.
415
00:24:09,238 --> 00:24:13,014
I want you to get hold of Adrian.
Find out if he's got them.
416
00:24:13,831 --> 00:24:15,429
I don't have a number for him.
417
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:18,149
Well, Shirley's daughter, she's
a receptionist in the hospital.
418
00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:19,990
She'll give it to you.
You're his mother.
419
00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:22,190
You're telling me...
420
00:24:22,231 --> 00:24:23,589
to get in touch with Adrian?
421
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:25,071
Yes!
422
00:24:30,910 --> 00:24:33,949
Forensics said they took it apart,
tested every nook and cranny,
423
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:35,710
every millimetre
of the shoulder strap.
424
00:24:35,711 --> 00:24:38,270
Yeah, they also said re-testing
it for DNA
425
00:24:38,271 --> 00:24:40,909
would be a complete waste
of Ottawa's money and their time.
426
00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:43,511
That's not their call to make.
427
00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:46,110
Where are we
with the forensics budget?
428
00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:47,551
17,000 left.
429
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,110
Out of 350,000.
430
00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:50,471
Jesus...
431
00:24:50,511 --> 00:24:52,389
Boss, I'm not convinced
we're getting
432
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,790
the best possible bang for our buck
here.
433
00:24:54,791 --> 00:24:57,310
I think we should have a sit-down
with Dr Gallop.
434
00:24:57,311 --> 00:25:01,151
Make sure we're not getting
sidelined by some big London job.
435
00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:04,349
Is that metal I can see
through the paint?
436
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:07,349
It's where the finish has worn off.
That thing was made in the 1940s.
437
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:10,429
- And that's the manufacturer's finish?
- Yeah, we assumed.
438
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:14,078
Obviously, we've not seen the thing
in the flesh. Assumed?
439
00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:16,390
Really, Lynne?
Glyn?
440
00:25:18,831 --> 00:25:21,967
Did Huntsman recover any paint
from Cooper's home?
441
00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:24,429
Yeah, six pots in the shed.
442
00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,429
Nige, get the Huntsman shed file.
443
00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:27,870
Any of them black?
444
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:30,471
Yeah.
445
00:25:30,511 --> 00:25:31,991
JAW/100.
446
00:25:33,071 --> 00:25:34,430
JAW/100...
447
00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:46,071
I want that taken out of storage.
448
00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,349
Your team have been
on this case for 18 months now
449
00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,189
and all we've got to show for it is
450
00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:03,390
a partial for Peter Dixon's DNA
on a piece of rope.
451
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:06,190
With respect,
we're seeing this a lot.
452
00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,231
This obsession with DNA
at the expense of...
453
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:13,230
...well, other, less fashionable
avenues of analysis.
454
00:26:13,231 --> 00:26:17,711
Ottawa's insistence
that we focus solely on DNA
455
00:26:17,751 --> 00:26:19,909
has put my team in a straitjacket.
456
00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:22,854
No. No, no, no.
We asked you to prioritise DNA,
457
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:24,669
but not to the exclusion
of everything else.
458
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:27,109
But that's the impression
you gave my colleague.
459
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:28,670
Dr Gallop...
460
00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:31,990
...let's say we remove
the straitjacket.
461
00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:33,950
How would that change things?
462
00:26:33,991 --> 00:26:36,230
Well, it would allow us
to widen our search,
463
00:26:36,231 --> 00:26:38,910
look for other types of evidence.
464
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:42,311
Now, we're agreed that
the killer wore gloves, yes?
465
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:44,149
We look for textile fibres.
466
00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:45,629
Fibres are circumstantial.
467
00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:48,190
- We need hard proof.
- Yes, but...
468
00:26:48,231 --> 00:26:52,071
if we can find enough fibres
linking culprit to victim,
469
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:54,910
it could tell
an equally compelling story
470
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:56,629
about the circumstances
of the crimes.
471
00:26:56,630 --> 00:27:00,278
Maybe even get you over
the charge threshold with the CPS.
472
00:27:03,311 --> 00:27:04,390
OK.
473
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:05,550
Let's go for it.
474
00:27:05,551 --> 00:27:07,350
All right.
475
00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:09,910
We have one other request.
476
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:11,590
We believe...
477
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,270
that this is the Coastal Path
murder weapon.
478
00:27:14,271 --> 00:27:15,630
Yeah, PH/2.
479
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:17,869
I heard you'd asked the team
to have another look.
480
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:20,070
Yes, but this is
a different request.
481
00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:21,550
Among the items recovered
by Huntsman
482
00:27:21,551 --> 00:27:22,790
from the shed at Cooper's home
483
00:27:22,791 --> 00:27:26,831
was this 750ml tin
of Anvileen satin black metal paint.
484
00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:32,991
I think Cooper
painted the barrels of the gun
485
00:27:33,031 --> 00:27:34,790
to make it less visible at night.
486
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:35,991
Hm.
487
00:27:36,031 --> 00:27:37,270
The murders were in 1989.
488
00:27:37,271 --> 00:27:41,630
Anvileen didn't manufacture
this particular paint until 1995.
489
00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:44,190
So, if PH/2 is the murder weapon,
490
00:27:44,231 --> 00:27:47,991
there could still be trace DNA
under the paint.
491
00:27:48,031 --> 00:27:50,630
Well, that's more than six years.
492
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:52,869
During which the gun
would've been cleaned,
493
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:55,203
rained on, exposed to the elements.
494
00:27:56,271 --> 00:28:00,303
Are you sure this is the best use
of what's left of your budget?
495
00:28:01,870 --> 00:28:03,150
I'm sure.
496
00:28:04,471 --> 00:28:05,711
All right.
497
00:28:36,991 --> 00:28:38,271
Hello?
498
00:28:40,271 --> 00:28:41,751
Hello, Adrian.
499
00:29:16,231 --> 00:29:18,429
- Hello?- How did you get my number?
500
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:20,271
Nice to hear from you, too!
501
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:24,910
What do you want?
502
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:26,883
Just to find out how you are.
503
00:29:29,231 --> 00:29:31,164
I heard you were in hospital.
504
00:29:33,311 --> 00:29:36,211
Why did you go and do
a silly thing like that?
505
00:29:39,271 --> 00:29:40,751
It was nothing.
506
00:29:40,791 --> 00:29:42,231
A mistake.
507
00:29:43,831 --> 00:29:46,164
I thought I could come and see you.
508
00:29:48,271 --> 00:29:50,390
It's not a good time.
509
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:51,990
I'm doing the place up.
510
00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:53,390
It's a bombsite.
511
00:29:54,471 --> 00:29:56,791
So, come to mine, then.
512
00:30:05,511 --> 00:30:08,149
Ah, boss. Ollie Wakefield
from the CPS called you.
513
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:09,390
Great.
514
00:30:10,471 --> 00:30:11,830
Ollie, Steve Wilkins.
515
00:30:11,831 --> 00:30:13,071
Listen...
516
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:14,831
Ottawa needs a favour.
517
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:16,349
The governor at Dyffryn Prison
518
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:18,550
refuses to delay
Cooper's second parole hearing.
519
00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:21,550
And I think a word from the CPS
might persuade the man
520
00:30:21,551 --> 00:30:22,790
to see some sense.
521
00:30:22,791 --> 00:30:25,150
The case, it isn't there, Steve.
522
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:27,869
You know what the prison services
will say. No hard evidence.
523
00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:30,310
- I'm sorry.
- Ollie, if he is released
524
00:30:30,311 --> 00:30:32,790
back into the community
and he hurts someone,
525
00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:35,510
"institutionally incompetent"
will be a happy memory
526
00:30:35,511 --> 00:30:38,950
when we are up to our necks
in public inquiries.
527
00:30:38,991 --> 00:30:41,524
You're that convinced
he'll kill again?
528
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:43,950
He's a serial killer.
529
00:30:43,991 --> 00:30:45,751
Serial killers don't...
530
00:30:45,791 --> 00:30:47,430
They can't stop.
531
00:30:47,471 --> 00:30:49,990
Steve, inevitable mutterings
have started.
532
00:30:49,991 --> 00:30:52,391
There's talk of
shutting Ottawa down.
533
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:29,870
Hi, Ma.
534
00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:34,231
What happened to you?
535
00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:37,271
An accident at work.
536
00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:58,417
I thought you might be peckish.
537
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,430
Are you still visiting him?
538
00:32:08,471 --> 00:32:10,031
Every week.
539
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:15,071
Is he gonna live here with you
when he gets out?
540
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:16,831
I'm his wife.
541
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:18,737
Where else is he gonna live?
542
00:32:24,311 --> 00:32:26,550
He's a bit worked up at the moment.
543
00:32:26,551 --> 00:32:28,884
The police are bothering him again.
544
00:32:30,231 --> 00:32:31,390
Oh, yeah?
545
00:32:33,711 --> 00:32:34,991
Actually...
546
00:32:36,511 --> 00:32:38,031
it's a silly thing.
547
00:32:39,551 --> 00:32:43,263
You don't have an old pair
of khaki bathers of his, do you?
548
00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:50,524
Still running things,
even from in prison.
549
00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:55,990
It wasn't true what I said earlier
about an accident at work.
550
00:32:57,271 --> 00:32:58,751
He did this to me.
551
00:32:58,791 --> 00:33:01,109
The same year
you had those stupid photos done,
552
00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:02,670
he broke my back.
553
00:33:02,711 --> 00:33:04,189
He didn't break your back.
554
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:08,189
A year ago, I was fit and strong,
working in Ireland, hod-carrying.
555
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:11,390
One morning, it was like
I was struck by lightning.
556
00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:13,911
Nine hours of surgery.
557
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:17,511
Rods and screws in my pelvis
and spine.
558
00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:19,911
I thought it was the work that
caused it, but the consultant
559
00:33:19,912 --> 00:33:22,553
told me
it was an injury from childhood.
560
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:27,070
Straight away, I knew
it was that punch in the back.
561
00:33:27,071 --> 00:33:30,349
You knew something was seriously
wrong when it happened,
562
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:32,270
but you didn't take
me to the hospital
563
00:33:32,271 --> 00:33:34,869
because he was worried
someone might be suspicious.
564
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:36,389
I never knew it was serious.
565
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:37,751
I couldn't move!
566
00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:42,623
You left me to lie in my own urine
for five days.
567
00:33:44,271 --> 00:33:46,938
You didn't even
change my sopping sheets.
568
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,038
You brought me plenty of toast
and strawberry jam, though!
569
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,710
A couple of weeks later,
you left me with nan
570
00:33:54,711 --> 00:33:56,911
and all took off for sunny Spain.
571
00:34:00,151 --> 00:34:02,470
I was 12 years old.
572
00:34:03,711 --> 00:34:06,378
We thought
it was better that you rested.
573
00:34:08,390 --> 00:34:09,989
What's wrong with you?
574
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:12,831
I didn't know.
575
00:34:17,711 --> 00:34:19,271
Don't go, Adrian.
576
00:34:19,311 --> 00:34:21,310
I didn't just call you
because he told me to.
577
00:34:21,311 --> 00:34:23,231
I've missed you.
578
00:34:35,671 --> 00:34:37,950
Second time lucky.
579
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:39,430
I got it?
580
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:41,110
Congratulations, John.
581
00:34:41,111 --> 00:34:43,311
You're gonna be out by Christmas.
582
00:34:47,910 --> 00:34:49,271
Well done.
583
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:15,151
Yup. Well...
584
00:35:15,191 --> 00:35:16,991
thanks for letting me know.
585
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:24,429
I can't believe
they're letting him out now.
586
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:26,591
We're so close.
587
00:35:26,631 --> 00:35:27,950
Are we, though?
588
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:32,358
I'm gonna put that down
to exhaustion and a shit day.
589
00:35:33,751 --> 00:35:35,949
Do you know what I do
after a shit day?
590
00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:36,990
What?
591
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:38,510
I go home...
592
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,198
and I eat a large amount
of unhealthy food with my family.
593
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:44,950
Go home, Steve.
594
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:46,430
Be with your boy.
595
00:35:47,631 --> 00:35:48,870
Evening!
596
00:35:50,111 --> 00:35:52,311
Jack?
597
00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:54,030
I've got fish and chips!
598
00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:08,909
Hey, it's Jack Wilkins.
I'm not here at the moment.
599
00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:11,810
Just leave a message
and I'll get back to you.
600
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:23,070
Finally!
601
00:36:24,191 --> 00:36:27,550
You know, I'd appreciate it if,
once in a blue moon,
602
00:36:27,591 --> 00:36:30,535
you'd answer your phone
or responded to a text.
603
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:34,869
Have you been drinking,
by any chance?
604
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:36,737
Yeah, I've been celebrating!
605
00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:38,550
Celebrating what?
606
00:36:38,591 --> 00:36:40,430
I made the county team.
607
00:36:42,231 --> 00:36:44,898
Thanks for being there for me today,
Dad!
608
00:36:45,311 --> 00:36:46,671
Shit...!
609
00:36:48,271 --> 00:36:49,550
Jack!
610
00:36:49,591 --> 00:36:51,550
Jack!
611
00:36:59,791 --> 00:37:01,271
Leave me alone.
612
00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:04,030
There's no need for that.
613
00:37:05,631 --> 00:37:06,950
I'm sorry, Jack.
614
00:37:08,711 --> 00:37:12,751
You made such a big deal about
us spending more time together.
615
00:37:12,791 --> 00:37:16,150
But you just can't do it. You're
so fucking obsessed with your work.
616
00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:17,310
You're a shit dad.
617
00:37:17,311 --> 00:37:19,644
Hey, now, come on. That's not fair.
618
00:37:21,271 --> 00:37:22,989
Look, I'm sorry
I forgot about the trial.
619
00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:25,123
I'm sorry I'm not a perfect dad.
620
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:29,030
It's no excuse.
621
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:31,137
I took my eye off the ball, OK?
622
00:37:35,311 --> 00:37:36,470
OK.
623
00:37:42,831 --> 00:37:44,111
Have you eaten?
624
00:37:44,151 --> 00:37:45,430
Yeah.
625
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:46,990
Right, well...
626
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:48,831
get some kip.
627
00:38:04,565 --> 00:38:06,363
This is last chance saloon, guys.
628
00:38:06,364 --> 00:38:08,084
Cooper will be home in a week.
629
00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:10,645
We have got to go over everything.
630
00:38:11,844 --> 00:38:14,511
I mean,
not having a photograph of Cooper
631
00:38:14,524 --> 00:38:17,084
that we can compare
to the artist's impression,
632
00:38:17,085 --> 00:38:18,765
it's a hole in our case.
633
00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:22,884
Nige, Glyn,
doorstep his and Pat's relatives.
634
00:38:22,924 --> 00:38:25,724
Tell them that we need family
photographs for our records.
635
00:38:25,725 --> 00:38:26,884
Yes, boss.
636
00:38:26,924 --> 00:38:28,285
I'll drive.
637
00:38:43,285 --> 00:38:44,645
Andrew...
638
00:38:48,364 --> 00:38:50,364
What about Pat?
639
00:38:50,404 --> 00:38:53,323
He'll be housed somewhere else,
right? She can't live with him now.
640
00:38:53,324 --> 00:38:55,043
They've been married a long time,
Andrew.
641
00:38:55,044 --> 00:38:57,484
If he was gonna do something
to her, he'd have done it by now.
642
00:38:57,485 --> 00:38:59,085
You don't know that.
643
00:38:59,884 --> 00:39:03,980
He's been in prison ten years.
Who knows what that's done to him?
644
00:39:04,645 --> 00:39:06,379
She's still scared of him.
645
00:39:07,085 --> 00:39:08,924
I went to see her.
646
00:39:08,964 --> 00:39:11,125
She called me.
647
00:39:12,165 --> 00:39:13,364
I thought...
648
00:39:14,765 --> 00:39:17,665
I thought she wanted
a mother-and-son reunion.
649
00:39:18,285 --> 00:39:20,552
But she was just following orders.
650
00:39:22,044 --> 00:39:25,604
He wanted her to find out if I had
an old pair of bathers of his.
651
00:39:25,605 --> 00:39:27,672
Does that mean anything to you?
652
00:39:28,205 --> 00:39:30,364
Do you have them?
653
00:39:30,404 --> 00:39:32,565
I wouldn't wear anything of his.
654
00:39:35,444 --> 00:39:37,124
Get down there, Jack!
655
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:38,765
Come on!
656
00:39:40,765 --> 00:39:42,924
Corner.
657
00:39:44,205 --> 00:39:46,324
Right, on it!
658
00:39:48,524 --> 00:39:49,924
Yes!
659
00:39:49,964 --> 00:39:51,205
Go on, son!
660
00:39:52,364 --> 00:39:53,524
Yes!
661
00:39:55,444 --> 00:39:58,164
- So, the scout was there again today.
- He was? Did he speak to you?
662
00:39:58,165 --> 00:40:01,032
He's gonna give me a ring
after the weekend.
663
00:40:01,245 --> 00:40:04,124
- Thanks for being there today, Dad.
- Oh, my pleasure, sunshine.
664
00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:07,003
- I'm sorry I've been a bit of a pain.
- Oh, don't you worry about it.
665
00:40:07,004 --> 00:40:08,725
Hey, I'll see you later.
666
00:40:08,765 --> 00:40:11,164
- You're not coming in?
- I'd better not.
667
00:40:11,165 --> 00:40:14,004
Is it something to do with work?
668
00:40:14,044 --> 00:40:16,944
- It's one of his old haunts.
- You're joking?
669
00:40:17,484 --> 00:40:20,244
I shouldn't go in.
Someone might recognise me.
670
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:21,685
So?
671
00:40:21,725 --> 00:40:24,084
Well, I don't want
you connected to me.
672
00:40:24,085 --> 00:40:25,765
It's just a precaution.
673
00:40:25,805 --> 00:40:27,843
It's fine.
I'll go in ahead of you.
674
00:40:27,844 --> 00:40:30,484
Aren't you curious to see inside?
675
00:40:30,524 --> 00:40:32,524
Come on, you know you want to.
676
00:40:35,004 --> 00:40:37,904
It's fine.
Go on, I'll pick you up in an hour.
677
00:41:11,964 --> 00:41:14,245
A pint of lager shandy, please.
678
00:41:22,844 --> 00:41:24,245
All right, lads?
679
00:41:41,565 --> 00:41:43,324
Excuse me.
680
00:41:43,364 --> 00:41:44,884
Dyfed Powys Police.
681
00:41:47,884 --> 00:41:50,565
Can you identify
the man in the picture?
682
00:41:50,605 --> 00:41:54,205
With the 'tache?
Aye, that's Johnny Cooper.
683
00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:55,644
When was the photograph taken?
684
00:41:55,645 --> 00:41:57,844
I don't know, the late '80s.
685
00:41:57,884 --> 00:42:00,084
Probably about the time
he was on that...
686
00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:02,764
What do you call it?
That darts quiz show on telly.
687
00:42:02,765 --> 00:42:05,165
- Bullseye?
- Aye. That's the one.
688
00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:12,524
Bullseye, 1989.
689
00:42:14,205 --> 00:42:16,364
You are shitting me!
690
00:42:16,404 --> 00:42:18,124
The year he killed the Dixons,
691
00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:20,323
Cooper was throwing darts
on national television.
692
00:42:20,324 --> 00:42:21,404
On ITV!
693
00:42:21,444 --> 00:42:24,900
We've been looking for a photo
of the bastard from '89.
694
00:42:24,924 --> 00:42:27,791
And we might well have
a whole bloody video.
695
00:42:28,605 --> 00:42:30,364
Jesus Christ...!
696
00:43:18,404 --> 00:43:19,924
Welcome home, love.
697
00:43:24,484 --> 00:43:25,605
What?
698
00:43:26,844 --> 00:43:28,205
Come here.
699
00:43:35,205 --> 00:43:38,883
So, Bullseye was produced
by Central Television in Birmingham.
700
00:43:38,884 --> 00:43:42,084
But recordings of old shows
are held in an archive in Leeds.
701
00:43:42,085 --> 00:43:43,523
Now, the librarian there
702
00:43:43,524 --> 00:43:45,564
has been going through lists
of old contestants
703
00:43:45,565 --> 00:43:47,565
from old shows from the '80s.
704
00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:49,404
And in series nine,
705
00:43:49,444 --> 00:43:53,204
there's two contestants identified
as being from South Pembrokeshire.
706
00:43:53,205 --> 00:43:58,004
Now, the episode they were in
was broadcast in October '89.
707
00:43:58,044 --> 00:44:00,685
But it was recorded on 28th May.
708
00:44:02,364 --> 00:44:05,500
A month and a day
before the Dixons were murdered.
709
00:44:17,765 --> 00:44:21,733
- So, you've got the tapes, then?
- Yeah, they've just arrived.
710
00:44:24,924 --> 00:44:27,444
It's a bull's-eye!
711
00:44:27,484 --> 00:44:29,324
And here's your host...
712
00:44:29,364 --> 00:44:31,043
- Jim Bowen!- Good evening.
713
00:44:31,044 --> 00:44:32,685
Welcome to Bullseye.
714
00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:35,733
Can you just fast-forward it
to the contestants?
715
00:44:38,165 --> 00:44:39,645
Good.
716
00:44:39,692 --> 00:44:41,564
You've got an unusual hobby, John.
717
00:44:41,565 --> 00:44:44,363
Oh, yes, the scuba diving.
The scuba diving.
718
00:44:44,364 --> 00:44:46,644
It's the place to do it down there,
isn't it?
719
00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:48,323
Well, we've got the coastline,
yes.
720
00:44:48,324 --> 00:44:51,124
And there's the
shoulder-length hair he never had.
721
00:44:51,125 --> 00:44:52,604
Well, we've got the deep water...
722
00:44:52,605 --> 00:44:54,804
And you can swim over mountains
and all sorts.
723
00:44:54,805 --> 00:44:58,901
We hope you all have a good night.
Give them a round of applause.
724
00:45:10,605 --> 00:45:12,125
Best of luck, John.
725
00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,245
That's five.
726
00:45:15,285 --> 00:45:16,444
'20.
727
00:45:18,605 --> 00:45:19,805
And one.
728
00:45:19,844 --> 00:45:21,125
26.
729
00:45:37,165 --> 00:45:39,003
'36, and takes the first round.
730
00:45:39,004 --> 00:45:42,908
Right, John, it's only £36,
but you really could do with this.
731
00:45:43,085 --> 00:45:45,285
What are you having a bath for?
732
00:45:46,404 --> 00:45:47,884
I won't be long!
733
00:45:49,004 --> 00:45:51,471
- I could get in with you.
- No, John.
734
00:45:52,085 --> 00:45:53,924
- I'm shy.
- Shy?
735
00:45:53,964 --> 00:45:56,231
I've seen it all before, you know?
736
00:45:58,685 --> 00:46:01,004
Come on, missus, let me in.
737
00:46:10,685 --> 00:46:12,164
Can you pause it there, please?
738
00:46:12,165 --> 00:46:14,285
Rewind a bit.
739
00:46:14,324 --> 00:46:15,484
There.
740
00:46:21,924 --> 00:46:25,044
It may not prove
he killed the Dixons.
741
00:46:25,085 --> 00:46:28,349
But it proves what he looked like
four weeks before.
742
00:46:39,805 --> 00:46:41,924
999, which service?
743
00:46:43,725 --> 00:46:44,924
Hello?
744
00:46:46,205 --> 00:46:49,964
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