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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:25,877 I just loved the sunset strip, 2 00:00:25,901 --> 00:00:27,357 because it was fun, 3 00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:28,963 and there were a lot of things going on, 4 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:30,477 and there was a lot of music going on. 5 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:32,562 And I loved to come down here with my parents, 6 00:00:32,783 --> 00:00:36,241 especially my dad, and go to gigs 7 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:37,738 and watch them set up. 8 00:00:37,955 --> 00:00:39,390 And then there was something very exciting 9 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:41,655 about that moment before the band actually walked on, 10 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:44,116 where all the gear was just sitting there waiting to go. 11 00:01:02,813 --> 00:01:03,813 My dad was telling me, 12 00:01:03,981 --> 00:01:05,621 "yeah, well, you were conceived in Paris.” 13 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:09,141 And I guess my mom and him met there 14 00:01:09,361 --> 00:01:10,646 and then went to england, 15 00:01:10,862 --> 00:01:11,982 and I was born in hampstead. 16 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:14,984 But my family, my British side of my family lives in stoke, 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,610 so I lived there. 18 00:01:16,827 --> 00:01:18,818 And grew up there for a little while 19 00:01:18,996 --> 00:01:21,738 and went to school and hung out in stoke, 20 00:01:21,957 --> 00:01:25,415 and I think that was the last vears of stability I ever had. 21 00:01:26,962 --> 00:01:29,374 And then moved to los Angeles with my dad. 22 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:31,205 My mom was living in L.A. at the time, 23 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:33,666 and I've been here ever since. 24 00:01:33,969 --> 00:01:38,508 At the time, you know, 1969, 1970, 25 00:01:38,724 --> 00:01:41,306 it was an interracial couple, the hippie thing, 26 00:01:41,518 --> 00:01:44,009 it was a lot of interesting things going on. 27 00:01:44,229 --> 00:01:48,563 I first met slash in 1976 while I was in the fifth grade. 28 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:50,936 What I first started noticing special about slash, 29 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:54,065 was his talent for art. 30 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:55,646 It was pretty exciting, 31 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:57,635 and at that point we were living in Laurel canyon, 32 00:01:57,659 --> 00:01:59,775 so we were right in the thick 33 00:01:59,995 --> 00:02:04,159 of that huge sort of bohemian creative scene 34 00:02:04,374 --> 00:02:05,705 that was happening there. 35 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:07,703 And my dad was doing album covers 36 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:10,456 for Jackson browne, and joni Mitchell, 37 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,879 and a lot of people up there in the hills, 38 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:14,586 and then my mom was doing 39 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:16,195 clothes for all these different entertainers. 40 00:02:16,219 --> 00:02:18,881 So, I mean, it was like Linda ronstadt 41 00:02:19,056 --> 00:02:20,416 and joni Mitchell were one of them, 42 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:21,763 but then she was also doing 43 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:24,261 like the pointer sisters, and she was doing flip Wilson, 44 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:26,764 and all these different kind of entertainers, 45 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:28,720 so I was, it was a lot of fun, sort of being 46 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:30,851 raised in that chaos. 47 00:02:31,026 --> 00:02:33,517 I don't remember him as a little kid, 48 00:02:33,737 --> 00:02:35,853 even though I do know his dad, yeah. 49 00:02:36,031 --> 00:02:37,646 His dad, I remember his dad 50 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:40,949 actually did a lot of our photography. 51 00:02:41,203 --> 00:02:43,364 So that was kind of a tight-knit 52 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:46,697 bunch of people back there in Hollywood back then. 53 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:49,033 When you look back at the '60s and stuff, 54 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:53,666 a lot of these individuals that I was sort of raised around 55 00:02:53,882 --> 00:02:57,545 were really astute, very intelligent, smart, 56 00:02:57,803 --> 00:02:58,918 very cool people. 57 00:02:59,096 --> 00:03:03,305 And it was a very inspired time. 58 00:03:04,059 --> 00:03:06,926 I think that's the best way to put it. 59 00:03:07,104 --> 00:03:08,594 A lot of creativity going on, 60 00:03:08,814 --> 00:03:11,931 a lot of just brilliant thinking happening. 61 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:14,395 And, yeah, I enjoyed that a lot. 62 00:03:17,572 --> 00:03:18,966 All these young comedians, you know, 63 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:21,231 I mean Steve Martin and Albert Brooks, 64 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:22,782 all these guys were kids. 65 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:25,326 They were all writing for the smothers brothers show. 66 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:28,997 I lived right next door to Micky dolenz, for the monkees, 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,116 and frank zappa lived right under us. 68 00:03:31,336 --> 00:03:34,920 So all those writers, it was like a pretty tight-knit 69 00:03:35,090 --> 00:03:36,796 kind of thing. 70 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:38,923 But that's when I first met his dad 71 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:40,376 and everything like that. 72 00:03:40,595 --> 00:03:45,510 My mom was doing bowie's wardrobe 73 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:47,762 for a while there, and then they became 74 00:03:47,978 --> 00:03:49,889 sort of an item, in that sort of, 75 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,054 in those days, in that loosey-goosey kind of way. 76 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:55,356 He mentioned that his mom had done 77 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:57,776 some things for David bowie 78 00:03:57,988 --> 00:03:59,006 and different people like that, 79 00:03:59,030 --> 00:04:00,941 so she was in the industry. 80 00:04:01,158 --> 00:04:02,694 Soon after that, we started riding, 81 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:04,820 fooling around with bmx bikes, 82 00:04:04,995 --> 00:04:07,862 and instantly he was a star. 83 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,907 I took the bike thing, the bmxing, pretty seriously, 84 00:04:12,127 --> 00:04:13,833 but there was a funny dynamic to bmx, 85 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:16,916 because we also used to do a lot of freestyle 86 00:04:17,132 --> 00:04:20,545 and ride around, well, all over Los Angeles. 87 00:04:20,761 --> 00:04:23,468 We would race our bikes in the valley on weekends, 88 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,136 and when he'd go off a jump, 89 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:27,384 there'd be flashes going off from everyone, 90 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,887 because he just had more style, 91 00:04:30,061 --> 00:04:31,061 he was a little quicker, 92 00:04:31,104 --> 00:04:32,344 and usually won his races. 93 00:04:32,564 --> 00:04:33,974 And then on the weekends, 94 00:04:34,191 --> 00:04:37,183 we would tow over Laurel canyon into the valley, 95 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:40,314 you know, just grab the sides of cars and go over the hill. 96 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:42,133 And there'd be, you know, any time, anywhere 97 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:44,694 from a half dozen to a dozen of us all in traffic, 98 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:46,275 and it was pretty insane. 99 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:47,905 And then we'd ride all the way out 100 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,866 to Van nuys, I guess it was, 101 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:54,249 and compete, and they had the weekend races, 102 00:04:54,461 --> 00:04:55,917 and then we'd ride all the way back 103 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:57,619 in the middle of the night 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,375 and come home from Laurel canyon again. 105 00:04:59,591 --> 00:05:01,456 So part of it was very sort of professional, 106 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:03,654 and the other part of it was just simple hell-raising. 107 00:05:03,678 --> 00:05:04,337 Yeah. 108 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:07,842 I was a skateboarder, he was a bmx bike rider. 109 00:05:08,016 --> 00:05:10,723 Well, we met in junior high school. 110 00:05:10,936 --> 00:05:14,019 I was running around in my classroom. 111 00:05:14,231 --> 00:05:18,019 I ran in his classroom, and his teacher had his finger 112 00:05:18,235 --> 00:05:19,975 in his face and was telling him 113 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:22,402 he was going to be a loser and a bum all his life. 114 00:05:22,614 --> 00:05:25,856 And that instant, 1 realized I had somebody else 115 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:27,034 that was just like me. 116 00:05:27,202 --> 00:05:30,114 I met Steve adler at the school one day, 117 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:33,538 and he fell off a skateboard, 118 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:35,365 and he looked like he bit it pretty bad, 119 00:05:35,585 --> 00:05:37,951 and nobody was concerned about him, 120 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:39,786 he was just laying flat on his back, 121 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:41,796 so I went over to see if he was okay, 122 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:44,583 and he and I struck up a friendship, 123 00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:46,083 and it turned out that his mother 124 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:46,918 had kicked him out. 125 00:05:47,138 --> 00:05:48,258 He was living at Chatsworth, 126 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:49,716 and his mother kicked him out, 127 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:52,345 and he had been relocated to his grandparents' 128 00:05:52,561 --> 00:05:54,517 in west Hollywood, so that's why 129 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:56,219 he suddenly turned up. 130 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,179 And I went over to his place. 131 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,800 His grandparents worked in a bakery, 132 00:05:59,985 --> 00:06:01,337 so they'd leave early in the morning, 133 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,047 and we'd ditch school and go hang out at his place. 134 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:07,531 And he had a kiss alive ii record, 135 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:09,653 and he'd put that on this little 136 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:11,155 piece-of-shit stereo that he had, 137 00:06:11,371 --> 00:06:14,113 and he had a cheap little electric guitar and an amp, 138 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:16,012 and he would crank that all the way to ten, 139 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:18,579 turn the stereo to ten and just bang on this thing. 140 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:20,953 And that was exciting. 141 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:22,912 He came over to my house for the first time, 142 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:24,794 and I put on my kiss record, 143 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:28,051 and I had a little guitar, and I started playing it. 144 00:06:28,263 --> 00:06:31,471 I was actually doing like two chords and one scale, 145 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:34,425 and I just did all my Ace frehley positions 146 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:38,637 and playing it really loud, and he loved it. 147 00:06:38,857 --> 00:06:42,270 And he went from riding bmx bikes to guitar. 148 00:06:42,485 --> 00:06:45,943 And my grandmother had one in the closet 149 00:06:46,114 --> 00:06:48,480 at her apartment, and she pulled it out, 150 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:52,158 and it was a Spanish acoustic, 151 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:54,156 and it had one string on it, and that was it, 152 00:06:54,372 --> 00:06:56,658 and I started learning riffs on the one string. 153 00:06:56,875 --> 00:06:58,661 A guitar with one string, no less. 154 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:00,250 You know, no wonder he can master 155 00:07:00,462 --> 00:07:01,462 each string so amazingly. 156 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:09,341 And that was really it. 157 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:11,034 All of a sudden, I was just completely 158 00:07:11,181 --> 00:07:15,720 absorbed in a guitar, I mean, like a crazy person, you know? 159 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:17,472 There was nothing else in life 160 00:07:17,687 --> 00:07:19,678 that was important at that point. 161 00:07:19,898 --> 00:07:20,898 How old were you then? 162 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:23,808 I was 14, 15 years old. 163 00:07:23,985 --> 00:07:25,065 That's quite old, actually. 164 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:27,523 Well, like I said, prior to that, 165 00:07:27,739 --> 00:07:30,526 I had no inclination to pick up an instrument, you know? 166 00:07:30,742 --> 00:07:32,824 And his name, let's start off with his name, 167 00:07:32,994 --> 00:07:34,609 how he got his name. 168 00:07:34,829 --> 00:07:38,742 He's been slash since we were 13 years old. 169 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:43,828 An actor, a friend of ours, his dad is a big actor, 170 00:07:44,506 --> 00:07:46,588 and he is the one who gave him his name. 171 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,381 His name was Seymour cassel. 172 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:50,129 His son was my best friend. 173 00:07:50,345 --> 00:07:55,260 And when we were in the last year of junior high, 174 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:58,683 the summer before high school and stuff, 175 00:07:58,895 --> 00:08:00,635 we used to hang out at Matt's all the time, 176 00:08:00,855 --> 00:08:02,391 and I guess Seymour would see me, 177 00:08:02,607 --> 00:08:05,940 I mean this was a very sort of old-school 178 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:09,695 sort of rock and roll household, you know? 179 00:08:09,906 --> 00:08:11,692 Very liberal. 180 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:13,614 And, I mean, we could ditch school 181 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:14,867 and hang out at Seymour's, 182 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:16,781 and as long as we prune his pot plants, 183 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:18,487 it was okay, you know? 184 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:22,666 So I guess, you know, he'd see me running around, 185 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:24,788 and at some point I had started playing guitar, 186 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:26,963 and I was putting bands together and this and that, 187 00:08:27,007 --> 00:08:28,713 and so I was always in a hurry, 188 00:08:28,925 --> 00:08:31,507 always sort of, you know, never had time to sit and talk, 189 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,927 and so he just got into the habit of calling me slash, 190 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:35,700 because he always saw me as this 191 00:08:35,724 --> 00:08:36,724 that went by, you know? 192 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:38,869 So he said as a joke, "you're like a slash. 193 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:40,804 "You're here and then you're there." 194 00:08:40,979 --> 00:08:42,935 And he just like, "wow," you know? 195 00:08:43,148 --> 00:08:45,639 He just like picked up on this, said, "that's cool," 196 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:47,850 and came up with, just started saying 197 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,348 that would make a good stage name, 198 00:08:49,404 --> 00:08:50,844 and he started calling himself slash. 199 00:08:50,989 --> 00:08:52,479 And he's been slash ever since. 200 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:56,283 Everybody called him slash except for his grandmother. 201 00:08:56,494 --> 00:09:00,578 There was this great little music book that I found 202 00:09:00,790 --> 00:09:02,530 that had, it was like, I think it was just 203 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:04,582 “how to play rock guitar”, you know, 204 00:09:04,794 --> 00:09:06,063 which seemed pretty intriguing at the time, 205 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:07,873 and it had a little disc in it, 206 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:09,834 and there was a picture of Hendrix in there, 207 00:09:10,008 --> 00:09:10,747 there was a picture of Clapton in there, 208 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:12,628 and Mike bloomfield, Jeff Beck, 209 00:09:12,844 --> 00:09:14,926 like all these guys that I was really into. 210 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:19,135 And I remember looking at the tablature in there 211 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:20,510 and figuring it out, 212 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:22,580 and all of a sudden putting these three notes together 213 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:24,219 that sounded like rock and roll to me, 214 00:09:24,439 --> 00:09:28,853 and it was like, you know, that moment 215 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:32,440 when the skies part and, "ahhh." 216 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:35,425 You know, I mean I'll never forget that. 217 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:40,568 Of course, loved motorhead. 218 00:09:40,789 --> 00:09:43,496 Went to see them at the Hollywood palladium, me and slash. 219 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:45,915 All I ever wanted to do after I seen Elvis 220 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:48,288 was to be a rock and roll star. 221 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:51,880 And whereas the circumstances have somewhat changed, 222 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:53,050 I still love it. 223 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:54,134 I love doing that. 224 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:56,130 All my dreams came true now. 225 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:57,836 Not many people can say that. 226 00:09:58,014 --> 00:09:59,550 Most people have to work at a job 227 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:02,348 they fuckin' despise all their lives, right? 228 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,677 And then you get a frickin' wristwatch if you're lucky. 229 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:08,604 I was very lucky to get out of that. 230 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:11,183 I worked in a factory for a while. 231 00:10:11,402 --> 00:10:13,267 My stepfather got me the job so he could 232 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:15,069 keep an eye on me, you know? 233 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,693 So he grew me there till they fired me. 234 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:20,650 Fuck you, you know? 235 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:22,098 I mean, he's more excited than me, 236 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,953 because I'm old now, you know? 237 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:26,497 Tough to be an old fuck, you know? 238 00:10:26,709 --> 00:10:28,916 But he's still really enthusiastic. 239 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:30,497 And I'm enthusiastic about it, 240 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:35,628 but like, he's still a kid in his enthusiasm, you know? 241 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:41,088 At the same time, there was the whole scene going on 242 00:10:41,307 --> 00:10:43,093 here on sunset and on Santa Monica, 243 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:44,719 and that's what Steven was into, 244 00:10:44,936 --> 00:10:47,177 and at this point I think he'd switched over to drums. 245 00:10:47,397 --> 00:10:49,183 And neither of us had any money, 246 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:50,559 so he didn't have a drum kit, 247 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:52,766 and I was, I think the first electric guitar I got 248 00:10:52,986 --> 00:10:57,355 was a cheap Memphis les Paul copy. 249 00:10:57,574 --> 00:11:00,532 So I was already onto the les Paul from day one. 250 00:11:00,743 --> 00:11:02,324 And then finally Steven and I ended up 251 00:11:02,537 --> 00:11:03,652 hooking back up together. 252 00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:06,363 He'd finally got a drum kit, and at that point 253 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:09,916 he started dragging me over here and checking out bands 254 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,748 and it started to become sort of a habit. 255 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:16,498 Well, we used to hang out at this pizza place 256 00:11:16,718 --> 00:11:18,458 on Santa Monica and sweetzer, 257 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:19,878 and they had a juke box there, 258 00:11:20,013 --> 00:11:22,755 and we would play Van halen over and over. 259 00:11:22,974 --> 00:11:24,555 Over and over we played Van halen, 260 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:29,557 aerosmith, that was pretty much it. 261 00:11:29,772 --> 00:11:33,435 Van halen and aerosmith over and over and over. 262 00:11:36,571 --> 00:11:38,171 Well, he told me a story, that was funny, 263 00:11:38,323 --> 00:11:39,028 the first time we met actually. 264 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,680 He saw me, when he was 13 years old, 265 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:44,025 saw me play at the California world music festival 266 00:11:44,245 --> 00:11:48,579 at the coliseum here when my band's first record came out, 267 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:50,907 and we had a hit song called hold on, 268 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:52,980 and he was in the audience, and he remembers seeing me, 269 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:55,165 and I thought that was very amusing. 270 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:58,873 And that was kind of a starting point of our friendship. 271 00:12:00,261 --> 00:12:03,128 There were these girls in the class 272 00:12:03,348 --> 00:12:06,590 that were full-on sort of glam rocker chicks, 273 00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:08,720 and they were sort of hot, you know? 274 00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:12,600 Too much makeup, leather jackets, fingernail Polish, 275 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:16,228 jet-black hair, and they were raving about this band 276 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:17,684 motley crue. 277 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:20,270 And so one day, and they had flyers, 278 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:21,967 and they would go out and they would pass flyers. 279 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:23,427 And I was like, you know, a little bit jealous. 280 00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:25,771 I was like, "fuck, why can't I get some chicks to fuckin'," 281 00:12:25,912 --> 00:12:27,912 and I don't even have a functioning band, you know. 282 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,907 But anyway, so one day they met Nikki sixx and Tommy Lee 283 00:12:32,126 --> 00:12:34,208 outside the school giving them flyers, 284 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,038 and they came down in their full, sort of "rockstumes" 285 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:39,818 you know I guess you call them. 286 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,919 And I actually went to the gig that that flyer was for 287 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:46,458 and saw motley crue at the whiskey, 288 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:48,681 and they were just phenomenal. 289 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:51,805 They were like, Nikki knew how to take everything 290 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:53,720 that was every kid's fantasy, you know, 291 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:57,228 as far as what they wanted to see in a rock show 292 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,559 from Alice Cooper to New York dolls 293 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:03,738 to Marc bolan and, you know, to name a few. 294 00:13:06,244 --> 00:13:07,780 But Hollywood was the place to go, 295 00:13:07,996 --> 00:13:09,861 because there was a scene. 296 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:11,654 It was a scene, whether it was punk 297 00:13:11,874 --> 00:13:13,830 or this kind of the whole thing 298 00:13:14,002 --> 00:13:16,664 with like Rodney bingenheimer's english disco 299 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:18,119 and then you had Kim fowley, 300 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:19,875 and I started hanging around with him. 301 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:22,665 It was such a scene in Los Angeles, you know, 302 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:25,171 different eclectic types of musicians, 303 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:29,677 and I've always loved the Los Angeles history, 304 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:32,725 if you know what's happened on sunset boulevard. 305 00:13:32,937 --> 00:13:34,057 And when I felt I was ready, 306 00:13:34,272 --> 00:13:35,853 I called slash up, and I said, 307 00:13:36,024 --> 00:13:38,640 "why don't you meet me Sam and Sydney park 308 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:41,442 at like 8 o'clock,” and I went down there, 309 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:44,487 set my drums up, and he came down. 310 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:46,655 I played for him, and we said, 311 00:13:46,868 --> 00:13:48,278 "okay, we're going to make it." 312 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:49,779 You know, at some point, 313 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:52,863 I remember him saying there's this band called Rose 314 00:13:53,041 --> 00:13:56,533 or Hollywood Rose, and the singer axl, 315 00:13:56,753 --> 00:13:59,415 or bill at the time, he was going by bill and Izzy, 316 00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:01,586 really love to get them in my band. 317 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,079 And then I had an ad in the paper 318 00:14:03,176 --> 00:14:04,696 looking for a bass player at one point, 319 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:06,630 and it turned out to be duff. 320 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:07,926 And somebody told me about 321 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:09,899 the recycler newspaper, that's where you look 322 00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:11,797 for other musicians. 323 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:14,718 But I went and met slash and Steve at canter's. 324 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:16,123 So we're sitting at our booth, 325 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:17,666 and we're sort of watching the front door 326 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:19,271 to see who this character's going to be 327 00:14:19,484 --> 00:14:21,645 when he walks in, and eventually, 328 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:26,776 this literally 6'7 " or 6'6" guy 329 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:29,866 in a black and red leather trench coat 330 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:34,496 walks in with like spiky, up-to-the-ceiling blonde hair, 331 00:14:34,707 --> 00:14:36,743 and I'm like, "that's got to be him." 332 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:38,790 I met them at canter's. 333 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:39,996 And they had long hair, 334 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,919 and I had like short blue hair, 335 00:14:42,131 --> 00:14:46,500 but they were really like, slash had a girlfriend, 336 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:48,710 that was really like, sweet to me, 337 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:52,514 and we hung out for probably two hours at canter's 338 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:54,590 and just talked about music. 339 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:58,429 And then we went back to slash's mom's house, 340 00:14:58,648 --> 00:14:59,808 and he lived in the basement, 341 00:14:59,857 --> 00:15:01,563 and he had a snake, and he picked up 342 00:15:01,776 --> 00:15:04,438 an acoustic guitar and started playing. 343 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:07,854 And I'd never, like, I'd played with a lot 344 00:15:08,032 --> 00:15:11,695 of guitar players, good ones, but slash had 345 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:14,323 like this, he was 19 years old, and he was playing 346 00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:19,374 like kind of a really smooth old blues guy. 347 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:24,454 It like played with so much age, so much depth 348 00:15:24,674 --> 00:15:26,335 to his musicality. 349 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:28,837 I was kind of stunned, you know? 350 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:33,505 And, so really, I mean, slash and Steve were 351 00:15:33,724 --> 00:15:36,682 the first two guys ti met here in L.A. 352 00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:38,461 We went up to the bathroom 353 00:15:38,563 --> 00:15:39,973 and polished off a bottle of vodka, 354 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:42,109 and we've just been friends ever since, you know? 355 00:15:42,191 --> 00:15:43,522 Yeah, it was just, you know, 356 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:45,129 there was just a lot of different people 357 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:46,268 coming together then. 358 00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:47,772 Punk rock was over. 359 00:15:47,989 --> 00:15:50,355 There was sort of a, probably a first wave of metal, 360 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:54,944 motorhead kind of changed everything in 1980. 361 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:57,988 Like, a lot of things that weren't okay before 1980 362 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:00,323 were suddenly okay. 363 00:16:00,543 --> 00:16:04,286 Slash took me to my first sunset strip show, I guess. 364 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:05,915 It was at the troubadour. 365 00:16:07,383 --> 00:16:09,374 It was L.A. guns with ax. 366 00:16:09,594 --> 00:16:11,459 Ironically enough, duff was living 367 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:12,759 across the street from Izzy 368 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:15,387 in this cheap apartment, and so they met, 369 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,434 and then Izzy and axl and duff and tracii guns 370 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:20,725 ended up having a band, 371 00:16:20,938 --> 00:16:23,554 and that ended up being called guns n' roses, 372 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:28,643 called Hollywood Rose. 373 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:31,980 Recently, aerosmith used a drawing of mine 374 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,407 for their gate fold on the album, 375 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:37,031 and it was a drawing that I did 376 00:16:37,246 --> 00:16:38,907 probably before I picked up a guitar, 377 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:40,403 when I was just a fan, you know? 378 00:16:40,458 --> 00:16:41,573 And when I did the drawing, 379 00:16:41,792 --> 00:16:43,703 I'd given it to a friend of mine 380 00:16:43,961 --> 00:16:47,419 who was a massive, like, die-hard aerosmith fan, 381 00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:49,588 and he'd printed up copies of it 382 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,457 and gave them to people, I guess. 383 00:16:51,719 --> 00:16:54,461 And one day I was working in a guitar store, 384 00:16:54,722 --> 00:16:57,680 and I think he had like blue creepers on, 385 00:16:57,892 --> 00:17:01,601 sparkly black pants, and a pink leather jacket, 386 00:17:01,812 --> 00:17:03,643 and his hair was all teased up, you know, 387 00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:06,188 but at the same time not overdone, very cool, 388 00:17:06,442 --> 00:17:07,628 and he came in and he asked me 389 00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:08,732 "do you have a copy of it?" 390 00:17:08,945 --> 00:17:10,585 And I said no, and that was the first time 391 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:12,566 I'd ever met Izzy. 392 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:16,157 Yeah, then Izzy moved across the street from me 393 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:18,325 in Hollywood, and he was kind of like 394 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:21,905 the Johnny thunders character, 395 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:26,998 and axl was this just sort of really gifted 396 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:30,129 savant of a singer, you know, 397 00:17:30,341 --> 00:17:33,128 like who sings like that? 398 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:36,802 But everybody brought these influences, 399 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:40,966 everything from like 10cc and nazareth, 400 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:42,300 we all agreed on motorhead, 401 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,040 but we all agreed on each other's music 402 00:17:44,146 --> 00:17:47,684 that we turned ourselves onto. 403 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,767 The saints from Australia were a big influence 404 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:55,401 and magazine and nazareth, 405 00:17:55,616 --> 00:17:57,277 I'd never really been introduced 406 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,610 to the deep cuts on old nazareth records, 407 00:18:00,830 --> 00:18:05,244 and we all agreed on aerosmith and the dolls. 408 00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:08,542 So I don't think we looked at our differences, 409 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:12,292 we just kind of like, the stuff we had in common, 410 00:18:12,508 --> 00:18:17,172 we really, that group of five guys 411 00:18:17,388 --> 00:18:19,925 really understood how to excel 412 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,135 at the things we have in common. 413 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,307 I think we were the only five guys 414 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,057 in L.A. at the time that could've made up that band. 415 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:29,480 Like, we couldn't wait to go to sleep 416 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:32,900 so we could wake up and go rehearse again. 417 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:34,731 It was that kind of excitement. 418 00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:36,483 So anyways, they come to canter's, 419 00:18:36,699 --> 00:18:38,564 a, to have a good meal, which they haven't had 420 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:41,901 in a little while, and to do a photo session, 421 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:43,641 because they had just booked some gigs, 422 00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:44,891 and they needed to make flyers, 423 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:48,749 so they took a photo around the booth, 424 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:51,452 and the look on that photo 425 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,958 basically shows the hunger in their eyes, 426 00:18:54,175 --> 00:18:55,711 and they know that they're a band 427 00:18:55,926 --> 00:18:57,366 to be reckoned with, and they're here 428 00:18:57,553 --> 00:19:00,966 to fuck up los Angeles and show them 429 00:19:01,182 --> 00:19:03,764 this is the way to do it. 430 00:19:14,445 --> 00:19:16,185 He'd bring his guitar over to my house, 431 00:19:16,405 --> 00:19:18,191 and we'd just sit around and drink, 432 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:19,692 and he was always playing guitar, 433 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:23,151 and kind of, I felt like he was like a brother, 434 00:19:23,371 --> 00:19:24,514 like a little brother or something. 435 00:19:24,538 --> 00:19:25,869 I really, really, I loved him. 436 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,040 I loved his spirit. 437 00:19:27,208 --> 00:19:29,039 I loved how he was like salt of the earth, 438 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:31,867 and we really bonded over music, 439 00:19:32,046 --> 00:19:33,081 to be honest with you, 440 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:34,858 and he told me about this little band he had, 441 00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:37,214 guns n' roses, like later when I went 442 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,306 and checked them out, and I really saw something 443 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:42,424 magical happening, and they were still playing 444 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,258 the roxy and Perkins palace, 445 00:19:46,477 --> 00:19:48,889 but we were still pretty much just hanging around, 446 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:52,146 and they recorded their first record, 447 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,474 which actually Tom zutaut, who signed them, 448 00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:55,854 had asked me to produce it, 449 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,828 but at the time I was so strung out on heroin, 450 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:01,355 I couldn't even fathom the idea of leaving my house, 451 00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:05,363 much less taking on a production of a band. 452 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:07,615 I think I first heard of slash, I mean, 453 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:09,059 clearly because of guns n' roses, 454 00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:11,870 but then from Alice Cooper songs too that he had played on. 455 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,375 It was my comeback tour. 456 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:18,047 It was my first time ever playing Alice sober, 457 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:19,920 because I had never done it sober. 458 00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:22,551 So that was the very first show 459 00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:24,594 that guns n' roses opened for us. 460 00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:29,016 I mean they made no bones about the influence 461 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,810 we had on them, you know, 462 00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:35,189 as one of the bands they listened to 463 00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,232 when they were coming up. 464 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:40,312 There was definitely a mutual admiration society, 465 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:44,194 because it's really exciting to see a band like that 466 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:48,528 that's really good, that's really paid their dues, 467 00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:52,491 to see them go from being like a club band 468 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,247 to like, you know, they're on their way to being headliners 469 00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:57,829 and selling records left and right. 470 00:20:58,007 --> 00:21:00,589 There's a feeling there that just never 471 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:02,541 happens again in your career. 472 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:04,502 And it was great to be a witness to that. 473 00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:06,587 I just had an experience with Joe 474 00:21:06,807 --> 00:21:09,423 that was really cool where he presented me 475 00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:14,512 with an award in Cleveland a couple days ago, 476 00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:18,858 and he was just so genuinely, like his little sort of speech 477 00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:21,064 before I came out to accept the award, 478 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,647 was talking about his generation 479 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:26,949 and how I came with the next generation 480 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,030 and guitarists and all these very 481 00:21:29,246 --> 00:21:31,578 sort of complimentary things that he said, 482 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:35,909 but he was somebody that when guns n' roses 483 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:40,588 first opened for aerosmith in like 1988, 484 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,792 you know, obviously this guy was a huge hero to me, 485 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:46,551 but when I met him, very down-to-earth 486 00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:49,881 and really not so much what his image 487 00:21:50,059 --> 00:21:53,472 that you got in magazines and all that kind of thing, 488 00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:57,430 sort of changed my whole perception of rock stars, you know? 489 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:01,518 With slash, I mean, his dad was a well-known designer, 490 00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:03,648 and if you've got David geffen and David bowie 491 00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:06,071 popping in and out of your house, 492 00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,569 vou know, that's not usual. 493 00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:10,572 Around the time when I was a kid, 494 00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:14,451 when he was around, he was just David, you know? 495 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:19,536 And he was always cool, and my dad and him got along great, 496 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,625 and I used to love hanging out at the geffen offices 497 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,548 when it was asylum and before 498 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,296 geffen records actually became. 499 00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:28,924 But then I didn't talk to him for years. 500 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:30,629 I guess he kept in touch with my mom. 501 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:33,182 We were bound and determined to make sure 502 00:22:33,394 --> 00:22:36,557 that David geffen didn't know who Saul Hudson was... 503 00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:39,166 Until he got to a point where the record 504 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:41,144 was sufficiently successful that David 505 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,022 started to want to know who was involved, 506 00:22:44,238 --> 00:22:46,945 and then David's sitting there and going, 507 00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:48,613 "this is Saul Hudson? 508 00:22:48,826 --> 00:22:50,441 "It know Saul Hudson. 509 00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:51,888 "What do you mean he's in one of my bands, 510 00:22:51,912 --> 00:22:52,912 "on one of my labels? 511 00:22:52,955 --> 00:22:54,115 "How did that happen?” 512 00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,288 We wanted to avoid a sense of nepotism. 513 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:02,790 We wanted to avoid any baggage 514 00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,297 that might come with that and play on that. 515 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:07,841 He wanted to stand for himself and stand on his own. 516 00:23:08,012 --> 00:23:10,173 So we kept that entirely quiet. 517 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,754 At some point around that time, 518 00:23:11,974 --> 00:23:13,714 he'd called my mom and said, 519 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:16,141 "so, how's Tony,", 520 00:23:16,353 --> 00:23:17,684 "how's the kids?" 521 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:19,603 Said "how's Saul doing?" 522 00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:21,601 Because he knew me by Saul. 523 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:22,878 And he's like, "well you should know, 524 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:23,962 "he's on your record label.” 525 00:23:23,986 --> 00:23:27,274 And he's like, "he's on our record label? 526 00:23:27,489 --> 00:23:29,730 "What band, what artist is that?" 527 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,550 And he goes, "well he's in guns n' roses. 528 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:32,660 "His name's slash." 529 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:35,490 But I remember him saying 530 00:23:35,706 --> 00:23:37,662 "yeah, I'm going to fly out and see you." 531 00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,207 And his whole thing was to come over and manipulate me 532 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:42,330 into doing an edit of sweet child o' mine, 533 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,662 because he knew we had personal relations, 534 00:23:44,882 --> 00:23:46,042 which he never did get, 535 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,624 and I remember him trying to sort of massage me into this 536 00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:52,837 going, "well, what are you going to do with all the money?" 537 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:55,176 And he didn't realize who he was talking to, 538 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:57,724 which it had no influence on me whatsoever, 539 00:23:57,937 --> 00:24:00,474 because I have no, couldn't give a shit about money. 540 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:14,775 So he never made a dent. 541 00:24:14,995 --> 00:24:17,452 I'll always remember, then we never did an edit 542 00:24:17,665 --> 00:24:18,871 for sweet child o' mine. 543 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:25,036 So we went to the show, and we were hanging out 544 00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:29,589 backstage or whatever, and some of the band came out 545 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:32,293 to sign some autographs or whatever, 546 00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:36,005 and I think axl came up to me, or was signing autographs, 547 00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:40,301 and I handed him, slipped him a little demo tape move. 548 00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:43,479 I remember him walking away, and he handed it to his 549 00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:45,972 security guy, and his security guy threw it on the ground. 550 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:47,986 That was awesome. 551 00:24:48,112 --> 00:24:50,728 Someone said, "oh, yeah, in the new guns n' roses video, 552 00:24:50,948 --> 00:24:55,066 axl's lying on a table shaking, talking to a therapist 553 00:24:55,285 --> 00:24:58,493 or something, and he's got a nirvana hat next to him, 554 00:24:58,706 --> 00:25:00,786 and we're like, "you mean one of those baseball hats? 555 00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:02,702 "The blue one with the yellow writing?" 556 00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:05,409 "Yeah, he put it right there, because he likes your band." 557 00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:09,542 And we couldn't imagine this dude 558 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:13,876 liking what we did, because for the most part, 559 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:17,512 like, we were the kids who would get our asses kicked 560 00:25:17,725 --> 00:25:20,592 by the fuckin', like, big rock and roll guys. 561 00:25:20,811 --> 00:25:23,427 They'd be like, "you're a fuckin' punk little fag," 562 00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:25,262 and they'd kick our asses, you know? 563 00:25:25,482 --> 00:25:27,894 So we were like, "well, wait, how does that work?" 564 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:28,727 You know? 565 00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:30,650 It was that transition. 566 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,023 Something was happening. 567 00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:34,946 And I think, what I now realize 568 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,488 is that in some way, we were all playing rock and roll. 569 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:42,116 It got weird once. 570 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,573 It got weird at the mtv awards in 1992. 571 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:49,753 Axl and Kurt had a little screaming match. 572 00:25:51,425 --> 00:25:55,134 Duff and krist novoselic had a moment together. 573 00:25:55,345 --> 00:26:00,214 I was 23 years old and having the fucking time of my life. 574 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:04,473 Like, I was born for chaos, so I thought, 575 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:08,146 "okay, great, let's do it.” 576 00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:13,965 I would say, "dude, when are you 577 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:16,230 "going to change those fucking pants?" 578 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:18,532 "Oh, the only pair I brought on tour." 579 00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:21,907 He'd wear the same pair for a fucking year. 580 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,413 And these were those guys, you know? 581 00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:29,085 And the hat thing, that came by accident 582 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,581 I mean, he loved Alice Cooper and all that, you know. 583 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:35,291 Who'd worn that hat before? 584 00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:37,467 Marc bolan? 585 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,466 And he got the hat and put it on, 586 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:42,593 he liked the way it looked on him, I guess, 587 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:45,517 and people started recognizing him, 588 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,811 and he had his thing. 589 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:51,940 It's like lemmy, you know, they got a uniform, 590 00:26:52,152 --> 00:26:55,235 and that's who they are, and they wake up like that. 591 00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:57,487 Like I used to say fuckin' slash wakes up like that. 592 00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:03,619 But he would fuckin' wake up on the tour bus, 593 00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:07,281 same guy he was, you know, 594 00:27:07,501 --> 00:27:08,937 I remember the first time I joined the band 595 00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:12,419 I went to get in the shower after the show. 596 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:14,121 And like, "what are you doing?" 597 00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,002 I'm like, "I'm getting in the shower. 598 00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:18,129 "Gettin the gig butt out," you know? 599 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:21,178 And they're like, "why?" 600 00:27:22,975 --> 00:27:25,466 I mean, they were dirty, filthy scoundrels, man. 601 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:27,347 Dirty, filthy fuckin' scoundrels. 602 00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:31,226 And I was wearing top hats, you know, 1968, '67, 603 00:27:31,441 --> 00:27:36,356 you know, and I thought that, I had a corner on the top hat. 604 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,943 But, I mean, it was a top hat. 605 00:27:41,118 --> 00:27:42,233 Who cares? 606 00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:44,292 You know, I mean I, but every time I saw slash, 607 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:45,723 I thought maybe he wore it a couple times, 608 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:46,486 and all of a sudden he wore it all the time, 609 00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:48,447 and I went, "well, okay, you can have it." 610 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:51,287 And I looked at him and I said, 611 00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:52,868 "what do you want from this? 612 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:55,121 "What's your expectation? 613 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,126 "What are you looking for?" 614 00:27:57,926 --> 00:28:00,668 And he sat back and he said the most perfect thing. 615 00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,345 He said, "I want to be recognizable." 616 00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:07,219 And I would say that's a watershed moment 617 00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:08,556 in my relationship with him. 618 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:10,874 I would say that's the moment where I sat back and went, 619 00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:12,618 "okay, I'm dealing with a really intelligent 620 00:28:12,774 --> 00:28:14,480 "live wire here." 621 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,649 That's what he wants. 622 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:19,820 He's not like Lars in his autobiography, saying 623 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:23,949 his dream come true was the first orgy he was in. 624 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,030 He's saying, "I want to be recognizable.” 625 00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:30,330 Joe Perry was more of an influence on the image 626 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,204 that slash was, Joe Perry always looked cool, 627 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,331 and slash was always about being cool. 628 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:39,085 I think he's going to be an iconic figure, 629 00:28:39,301 --> 00:28:42,919 because he adopted a look very quick, you know, 630 00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:47,219 like along with "slash," you know, 631 00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:51,598 like picking out a cool rock and roll name very early on. 632 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:55,556 To hold on to that and hold on to that thing 633 00:28:55,776 --> 00:29:00,645 about rock and roll, I mean he's made out of the stuff. 634 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,320 I mean, you see the silhouette 635 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:03,760 and the les Paul guitar, and you're like, 636 00:29:03,784 --> 00:29:05,194 we all know that's slash. 637 00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,696 We came back from that appetite tour. 638 00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:11,701 At least in my memory, there was no Internet then, right? 639 00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:15,751 So you didn't know what was going on in L.A. 640 00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:19,330 But we got back, I looked at a band magazine, 641 00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:21,710 which was a magazine then 642 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:23,463 that everybody would advertise in, 643 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,546 and everybody had like, cowboy boots on, 644 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:31,680 bandanas, ripped jeans, leather vests, looked like us. 645 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,892 I'm in London, and I can't remember 646 00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:38,022 why I was over there, but I see this fuckin' 647 00:29:38,235 --> 00:29:41,022 bus go by with fuckin' slash on it, right? 648 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,521 It's like "guitar hero!" 649 00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,698 And I call slash and I go, 650 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:50,494 "dude, you're on the side of a double-Decker bus!" 651 00:29:50,706 --> 00:29:53,066 He's like, "I know, I should've asked for a lot more money." 652 00:29:55,168 --> 00:29:57,534 Here we are at velvet revolver shows, right? 653 00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,837 And I look out in the audience, and I see a lot of kids. 654 00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:03,124 Like, long-haired little 15-year-old dudes, 655 00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:05,467 and then they come backstage, 656 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:10,298 and they're like, "hey, slash, we love you, man!" 657 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,515 "Hey, kid, how'd you find out about slash?" 658 00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:15,264 "Guitar hero." 659 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:16,802 He's just sitting in the corner, 660 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:18,500 and we kind of didn't really notice him, 661 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:20,481 because he's so, like, kind of blends in. 662 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,980 And he just gets up with a couple of beautiful women, 663 00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:24,902 and we were just so like, 664 00:30:25,073 --> 00:30:26,609 and he goes, "hey, who are you guys?" 665 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:28,361 And we're like, and it was as if slash 666 00:30:28,577 --> 00:30:29,804 was standing and talking to you. 667 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:31,180 We were all kind of looking at him like, 668 00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:32,614 "we're from Canada.” 669 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,116 You know, it's like, "oh, wow!" 670 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:35,693 He's like the mayor of the rainbow. 671 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:37,103 He's just going around, "hey, how are you?" 672 00:30:37,127 --> 00:30:40,244 When the resurgence of this sunset thing happened, 673 00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:45,208 all of a sudden it was hairspray, glam, big shows. 674 00:30:45,427 --> 00:30:49,670 Bands that weren't even great bands were doing great shows. 675 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:54,759 They were stuck in the middle of that sea of shit, 676 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:59,100 because there was so much shit you had to Wade through 677 00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:02,149 in order to appreciate what they were doing. 678 00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:04,727 I mean, most of those bands had just become 679 00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:06,857 a parody of music. 680 00:31:07,032 --> 00:31:10,945 Bands like poison, bands like warrant, 681 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,032 bands like, you know that were doing great shows. 682 00:31:15,248 --> 00:31:19,287 Cinderella, bon jovi, motley criie. 683 00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:20,913 I mean every band had a look, 684 00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:24,166 and they were attitude all the way. 685 00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,840 The guns n' roses guys were trying 686 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,797 to be their heroes, you know, 687 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:33,054 whether it was Johnny thunders or sid vicious 688 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:38,181 or Steven Tyler or John bonham, whatever it was. 689 00:31:38,397 --> 00:31:40,854 I mean, you know, it's clear that their roots 690 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:44,937 were in something substantial and real. 691 00:31:45,112 --> 00:31:46,832 When people ask me what about rock and roll, 692 00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:48,899 what is going on in rock and roll? 693 00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:51,656 I say I can only name you five rock and roll bands. 694 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,776 I said this band, you know, what slash is 695 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,282 and those conspirators are a rock and roll band. 696 00:31:57,499 --> 00:31:59,330 The Foo Fighters are a rock and roll band. 697 00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,454 We're a rock and roll band. 698 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,915 This band, the stripes, from Ireland, 699 00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:06,463 great rock and roll band. 700 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:10,293 How the fuck is some kid in Springfield, Virginia, 701 00:32:10,512 --> 00:32:13,925 going to relate to some guy who's got 702 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,340 more hair than your sister? 703 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,391 And he's fuckin' got more makeup on 704 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,844 than your fuckin' mom. 705 00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:23,559 You know, if you have a banjo and an accordion 706 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,606 in your band, you're not a rock band, okay? 707 00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:28,818 How does that apply to my fucking life? 708 00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:29,989 You know? 709 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:31,813 I get it, man, if I need to escape, 710 00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:33,112 I'll fuckin' take some acid. 711 00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:34,326 It's all good. 712 00:32:34,411 --> 00:32:36,447 And then grunge happened after that, you know, 713 00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:38,528 which was just the opposite. 714 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:43,538 There was a point when I wanted to go to Seattle 715 00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:45,209 and take all the grunge bands, 716 00:32:45,422 --> 00:32:47,708 put them in buses and take them to Disneyland. 717 00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:49,334 Music was kind of changing, 718 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:51,832 and those guys were a big part of that, I think, you know? 719 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:55,546 And what happened in Seattle happened after that 720 00:32:55,765 --> 00:32:58,598 as well as a musical change kind of everywhere, 721 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:04,601 and you know, to be that lightning rod sort of a band, 722 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,767 you know, I don't think they expected it. 723 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:20,861 I could tell you one great story 724 00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:22,531 that he doesn't even know, I don't think. 725 00:33:22,751 --> 00:33:27,620 On hey stoopid, I know this about guitar players. 726 00:33:28,632 --> 00:33:30,497 When they first hear a song, 727 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:33,709 their first impression is their best impression of it. 728 00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:38,844 And I played, I said, "why don't we run this track, 729 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:42,718 "and you just riff with it and get a feel of it?" 730 00:33:42,938 --> 00:33:45,645 I told the engineer, "tape this." 731 00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,774 We did 30 other takes, 732 00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,352 and at one point I went, "oh that last one was perfect." 733 00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:54,383 And it was like this, and he was a little tired 734 00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:55,567 and everything at this point. 735 00:33:55,617 --> 00:33:57,983 We used the original. 736 00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:02,867 The run-through tape was the exact perfect guitar solo. 737 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,451 I broughtin a lot of guest players, 738 00:34:04,668 --> 00:34:07,751 Eddie Van halen, Steve vai, Michael landow 739 00:34:07,963 --> 00:34:09,203 on the other side of things. 740 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,834 And I shook it up with different guests, 741 00:34:12,008 --> 00:34:13,748 Edgar winter, I got old-school guys, 742 00:34:13,969 --> 00:34:15,129 I got new-school. 743 00:34:15,345 --> 00:34:17,677 I like to mix it all up and see what happens, 744 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,471 and I wrote a song specifically, 745 00:34:20,684 --> 00:34:23,426 actually with him in mind to play on it. 746 00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:24,914 What I wish I wrote with Stan lynch 747 00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:26,874 the drummer in Tom petty and the heartbreakers, right? 748 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,729 It was called broken heart for Christmas. 749 00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:29,982 And he just can't, I said, 750 00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:31,963 "would you come and play on this song for me?" 751 00:34:31,987 --> 00:34:33,747 And he's like, he showed up and he was great. 752 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,612 He just did one take, and I let it go. 753 00:34:36,825 --> 00:34:38,745 I mean, you know, when you take a guy like slash, 754 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:41,697 you don't try to get all microscopic on it. 755 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:43,619 He goes, "what do you want me to do?" 756 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,413 I go, "be you." 757 00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:46,792 And that's what he did. 758 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,292 I was not a jammer, but slash would always get up 759 00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:50,584 and play with other people, 760 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:52,791 and one of the very first times 761 00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:55,127 that we ever did do that, 762 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:57,143 I remember we played at some teeny little club 763 00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:58,630 down by Santa Monica, 764 00:34:58,847 --> 00:35:02,135 and it was half his band, half my band, 765 00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,261 and we did a sex pistols song. 766 00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:12,557 The phone rang, and my mom comes in the room, 767 00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:17,441 she says, "there's someone on the phone named slush.” 768 00:35:17,657 --> 00:35:20,774 I was really up against the wall, 769 00:35:20,994 --> 00:35:22,734 and we needed to find somebody. 770 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:24,910 I started thinking about who's the best drummer 771 00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:29,950 that I'd seen in a band ever. 772 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:31,503 You know? 773 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:32,786 I said, "what's going on?" 774 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:37,173 And he says to me, "we're looking for someone 775 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:38,841 "to play on the record. 776 00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:41,754 "Stevie adler's in treatment, 777 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,555 "and we're trying to get him together 778 00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,054 "enough to do a tour at least.” 779 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,727 Because at that time, appetite for destruction, 780 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,976 they'd spent about four years trying to figure out 781 00:35:53,193 --> 00:35:54,808 how to spend all their money doing drugs. 782 00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:56,186 No, I'm just kidding. 783 00:35:56,363 --> 00:35:58,570 He came down, and we started working together 784 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:01,819 and just became really good friends, 785 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:05,952 and obviously we went on to tour together for years 786 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:07,495 and went on to do velvet revolver, 787 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,060 and we're still really good friends. 788 00:36:09,084 --> 00:36:11,291 Me and slash wrote this record 789 00:36:11,503 --> 00:36:12,983 which became the first snakepit album. 790 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:15,207 It was actually me and him together. 791 00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:17,379 And we were really close, you know? 792 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:18,903 And I would be able to talk to him 793 00:36:18,927 --> 00:36:20,883 and be brave enough to show him something 794 00:36:21,054 --> 00:36:22,794 that I had an idea on the guitar, 795 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:25,008 and he'd be like, "oh, okay, man." 796 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,216 You know and I'd be like, "okay." 797 00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:31,929 And slash says, "I want to do a fuckin' record 798 00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:33,938 "with this material.” 799 00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:36,441 And I'm like, "yeah, fuckin' let's do it!" 800 00:36:37,946 --> 00:36:40,483 You know, it's like, "come on!" 801 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,134 And I go, "what are we going to call it?" 802 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:43,886 And he's like, "we're going to call it snakepit."” 803 00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:44,444 it was snakepit. 804 00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:45,946 Good name. 805 00:36:46,121 --> 00:36:47,861 I had ended working with guns 806 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,225 where I had done a thing called snakepit 807 00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:50,455 where I got to sort of go back 808 00:36:50,667 --> 00:36:52,828 and just sort of simplify everything 809 00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:55,334 and just play in these raw little places. 810 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:58,459 And it was just, it was really, it was a lot of fun. 811 00:36:58,675 --> 00:37:00,131 It was a huge shot in the arm for me, 812 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:03,301 but it was also giving a perspective on things. 813 00:37:03,513 --> 00:37:05,845 You know, we would record all this material 814 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:07,118 before we ever had a singer, 815 00:37:07,142 --> 00:37:08,142 so we had an idea of how 816 00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:10,429 to sort of do sections of riffs, 817 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,405 and, "okay, we're going to do that 16 times," 818 00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:16,231 and we would say, "here's a chorus, blah blah blah.” 819 00:37:16,443 --> 00:37:20,482 So we did those records use your illusion I and ii 820 00:37:20,697 --> 00:37:23,985 all instrumentally, and the first snakepit album 821 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,067 all instrumentally, and then we set out 822 00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:28,823 in search of a singer, 823 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:32,288 and I was actually in New York when 824 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,228 he picked the singer that he put on the album, 825 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,584 which we had a little bit of a squabble about. 826 00:37:36,838 --> 00:37:38,544 I didn't really care for it much. 827 00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:40,664 And I remember I got very drunk 828 00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:43,003 and drove over to his house and climbed over his fence. 829 00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:46,461 He wouldn't let me in. 830 00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:49,047 I was like, "fuckin I'm coming in there, man!" 831 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,507 He was like, "no, you're not.” 832 00:37:50,727 --> 00:37:51,466 And I'm like, "fuck yes I am." 833 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:53,722 So I climbed over his fence, 834 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,304 and it had like, you know, these little spikes on the top, 835 00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,435 and I remember I slipped, 836 00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:00,571 and my fuckin' jacket, I had this leather jacket, 837 00:38:00,737 --> 00:38:03,353 got caught, and I was like hanging off his fence. 838 00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:06,155 And he came out and said, 839 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,323 "oh, fuck, man, come on," you know, 840 00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:11,403 he's, slash is very low-key. 841 00:38:11,623 --> 00:38:13,454 "Come in here, man, have a drink," you know. 842 00:38:13,666 --> 00:38:15,156 At the end of velvet revolver, 843 00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:20,291 when we saw it going south with Scott, 844 00:38:21,758 --> 00:38:23,168 there was a band, we were, you know, 845 00:38:23,384 --> 00:38:26,501 slash got himself out of a pretty dark spot 846 00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:28,549 right in between those two records, 847 00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:30,301 and he was just ready to play, 848 00:38:30,517 --> 00:38:33,054 and when it started going south with Scott, 849 00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:37,888 I could see like if slash had to stop playing 850 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:40,557 and us go on another year-and-a-half long 851 00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:42,108 search for a singer. 852 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,063 After the sort of rock and roll turmoil, 853 00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:47,613 if you will, of velvet revolver, 854 00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,487 because we got into ourselves 855 00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:51,909 into another situation with another singer, 856 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,867 I was like, "what are we, 857 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:56,952 "guys that like to marry strippers? 858 00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:58,203 "What is this?" 859 00:38:58,419 --> 00:38:59,859 You know, it's like you know 860 00:38:59,963 --> 00:39:02,204 what you're going to get when you get into it, you know? 861 00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,538 What the fuck? 862 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,416 I mean, we knew the guy was a piece of work, 863 00:39:06,636 --> 00:39:10,470 but those kind of crazy fuckers make great front men, 864 00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:12,513 vou know what I mean? 865 00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:14,966 And when we signed up for the deal, 866 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:19,270 it was like this is going to be fuckin' crazy. 867 00:39:19,482 --> 00:39:20,722 Okay, here we go. 868 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,351 And you know, it lasted a good amount of time 869 00:39:24,571 --> 00:39:25,777 before it imploded. 870 00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:27,900 Myles was a guy that we found 871 00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:31,407 for velvet revolver, but it was an altar bridge, 872 00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:33,655 and Myles, just the nicest guy in the world, 873 00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:35,792 he's like, "man, I would love to be in your band, 874 00:39:35,874 --> 00:39:38,365 "but I'm in a full-time band, and I would feel 875 00:39:38,585 --> 00:39:41,918 "like I'd be kind of chopping them below the knees." 876 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:47,003 Velvet revolver, I think it was the summer of 2002, 877 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,835 that was the first time we spoke on the phone. 878 00:39:50,013 --> 00:39:53,505 And I think I was just a name that had come up, 879 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:56,888 and I know they'd sent out quite a few demos 880 00:39:57,061 --> 00:40:00,178 to a few people, and they sent me one. 881 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,606 And I worked on it for about two weeks. 882 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:04,978 They were like four songs, 883 00:40:05,194 --> 00:40:08,607 and so it's kind of a long story, 884 00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:11,656 but I basically pulled out, never sent it back. 885 00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:15,952 I just felt like at that point I was 886 00:40:16,122 --> 00:40:17,828 the wrong guy for the job. 887 00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:22,914 I'd spent five years with my band the Mayfield four, 888 00:40:23,254 --> 00:40:26,621 and I think I just, I was a bit crestfallen, 889 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:28,961 and I was a bit disillusioned with the music industry, 890 00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:31,296 and something of that magnitude, 891 00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:34,003 especially, you know, with those guys, 892 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,930 I was like, "eh, I don't think this is the right thing 893 00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:40,306 "for me at this point in my, at this juncture," as they say. 894 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:41,931 One of our most favorite tours, 895 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,935 let's put it that way, was touring with velvet revolver, 896 00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:48,567 you know, and when we were kind of coming out 897 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:49,940 with black gives way to blue, 898 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,981 so, we spent a lot of time together on that. 899 00:41:04,754 --> 00:41:07,917 He crashed a pathfinder on sunset, 900 00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:11,337 rolled it over about ten times. 901 00:41:13,972 --> 00:41:15,052 Like that. 902 00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:17,242 And you know, typical slash back in the day, you know? 903 00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:19,882 If you recognize him like that. 904 00:41:20,061 --> 00:41:21,061 He'd drive home drunk. 905 00:41:21,229 --> 00:41:22,829 One night he got pulled over by the cops. 906 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,041 Cops got him out of the car. 907 00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:25,646 He's fuckin' barely standing up. 908 00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:28,941 "Hey, slash, can we take our picture with you?" 909 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,651 Fuckin' cops like this with slash. 910 00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,903 "Now just get home now." 911 00:41:37,078 --> 00:41:40,036 You put that guy back in the fucking car? 912 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:41,248 Are you kidding me? 913 00:41:43,376 --> 00:41:45,332 You know, fringe benefits of the hat, 914 00:41:45,545 --> 00:41:46,545 vou know what I mean? 915 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:52,506 I think one of the best things 916 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,927 that's happened to him is his heart problem. 917 00:41:56,973 --> 00:41:59,305 He wears a pacemaker. 918 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:04,227 And that has obviously changed his playing field. 919 00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:11,857 Slash and I both struggled with outside things, 920 00:42:12,071 --> 00:42:17,065 drugs and alcohol and both lived through it, 921 00:42:17,869 --> 00:42:20,201 which is kind of incredible in itself. 922 00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:26,784 And we've had a lot of friends of ours fall by the wayside 923 00:42:27,128 --> 00:42:28,789 on the way here. 924 00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:32,296 I believe if he would've tried to stick around 925 00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:35,124 in guns n' roses when axl was in charge of it 926 00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:38,802 back in 1996, I truly think he'd be dead. 927 00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:43,933 Guy said, "back in 1985, they caught slash out here 928 00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:46,811 "totally naked running through the golf course. 929 00:42:46,981 --> 00:42:48,812 "He was staying right there in that room, 930 00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:50,314 "and he was on acid, 931 00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:52,366 "and he didn't know where he was and all that." 932 00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:57,022 That slash was not going to survive 933 00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:58,606 to play what he's playing now. 934 00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:02,364 Well, he's just at a different answer than me. 935 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:06,743 You know, he never even bought me dinner. 936 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,872 And he's got a pacemaker, you know. 937 00:43:11,047 --> 00:43:12,753 So he came over to sympathize 938 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:15,627 and point out what you shouldn't do, 939 00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:18,334 like, I shouldn't fibrillate, apparently, 940 00:43:18,554 --> 00:43:20,920 or it goes "vroom!" 941 00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:23,677 He wouldn't go to the hospital. 942 00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:25,533 I don't know if you know the story or not, 943 00:43:25,728 --> 00:43:28,686 but it was a tour manager that punched him, 944 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:30,684 knocked him out, and dropped him off 945 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,858 at the hospital in Pittsburgh after he spoke to me. 946 00:43:34,028 --> 00:43:36,269 And I showed up, and we were there, 947 00:43:36,489 --> 00:43:37,695 and the doctor looked at me, 948 00:43:37,907 --> 00:43:39,384 and we weren't married yet at the time, 949 00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:41,740 and he said, "I'm sorry, but he's got either six days, 950 00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:45,161 "six weeks, or six months. 951 00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:48,865 "And there's not much we can do." 952 00:43:49,043 --> 00:43:51,375 So, we did everything that they possibly could. 953 00:43:51,587 --> 00:43:52,872 This was in Pittsburgh. 954 00:43:53,047 --> 00:43:54,537 We were there for a few weeks, 955 00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:56,505 and then we flew back to L.A., 956 00:43:56,759 --> 00:43:57,919 went to another hospital. 957 00:43:58,094 --> 00:44:00,585 They wanted to give him a heart transplant. 958 00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:05,299 I'm not one to follow direction 959 00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:10,433 or listen to even doctors that much, to tell you the truth, 960 00:44:10,815 --> 00:44:12,815 and we left that hospital, went to another hospital 961 00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:15,191 where they gave him the defibrillator, 962 00:44:15,403 --> 00:44:18,315 and he was playing with Michael Jackson, 963 00:44:18,531 --> 00:44:19,987 and the pyrotechnics went off, 964 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,611 and he thought he was getting blasted 965 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,567 or shocked from all the pyrotechnics. 966 00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:26,243 He didn't realize that it was 967 00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:28,036 the defibrillator going off, 968 00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:29,929 because the doctors didn't set it properly. 969 00:44:29,959 --> 00:44:32,666 They didn't realize how fast his heart rate would go. 970 00:44:32,879 --> 00:44:34,710 So the thing's firing on him. 971 00:44:34,922 --> 00:44:36,458 He's like, "whoa, 1 thought, you know, 972 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:38,193 "those pyrotechnics, were they that hard? 973 00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:40,583 "Because I felt like they were blasting me." 974 00:44:40,803 --> 00:44:42,339 When we got back to L.A., 975 00:44:42,555 --> 00:44:44,091 we went to have it read, 976 00:44:44,307 --> 00:44:46,468 the doctor says that it was going off. 977 00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:48,845 Coming back from all that's pretty impressive. 978 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:50,164 And he's still there, you know, 979 00:44:50,188 --> 00:44:51,519 he's a very well-read guy. 980 00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:53,811 He's reading war novels when he's not playing guitar. 981 00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:58,192 And then in 2008, I started realizing 982 00:44:58,404 --> 00:44:59,610 I needed to get sober. 983 00:44:59,822 --> 00:45:02,564 Ti don't know who to call. 984 00:45:02,783 --> 00:45:06,571 Slash had quite a few years being sober, 985 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:08,365 and he's always been here to help me, 986 00:45:08,581 --> 00:45:12,449 and actually Dr. drew called slash for me, 987 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:16,456 and we met, and I got to apologize to him 988 00:45:16,672 --> 00:45:17,941 for all the things that happened, 989 00:45:17,965 --> 00:45:21,878 he apologized to me, and he's helped me, you know, 990 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:23,634 get through some hard times. 991 00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:25,211 I remember when 992 00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:27,191 like I asked him to go out with me one night, 993 00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:28,806 I remember when I called him, 994 00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:32,013 and he just had his first kid. 995 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,892 I said, "come on, slash, meet me at crazy girls." 996 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:38,558 He goes, "I'm babysitting tonight." 997 00:45:38,778 --> 00:45:41,235 And right then I was like, "it's over." 998 00:45:41,447 --> 00:45:43,438 First of all, I never imagined 999 00:45:43,658 --> 00:45:47,150 that I'd be a father living in Los Angeles, 1000 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:49,235 but I sure as shit never imagined 1001 00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:52,618 that I'd be playing a school fundraiser with slash 1002 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:55,540 in front of the principals and the parents 1003 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:58,916 of a kindergarten. 1004 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,832 Just when I thought life couldn't get any fuckin' weirder, 1005 00:46:02,009 --> 00:46:05,251 I'm fucking jamming a stones song 1006 00:46:05,471 --> 00:46:08,258 with a bunch of mothers from the preschool 1007 00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:10,089 dancing barefoot in front of me. 1008 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:11,515 That's one thing that I think 1009 00:46:11,727 --> 00:46:15,265 that guys like slash have it in their favor. 1010 00:46:15,481 --> 00:46:18,223 They've seen a lot of people in the business, you know, 1011 00:46:18,442 --> 00:46:20,524 that have turned it into a career 1012 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,376 and may have been able to live through it, 1013 00:46:22,488 --> 00:46:25,400 and see that there is a possibility 1014 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:26,635 if you play your cards right, 1015 00:46:26,659 --> 00:46:28,115 you can actually have a career. 1016 00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:30,192 You can actually raise a family around it. 1017 00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:32,074 You can actually have a real life 1018 00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:36,203 and still be that crazy, rebellious, 1019 00:46:36,419 --> 00:46:39,877 very close to being madman on stage 1020 00:46:40,047 --> 00:46:43,665 that you have to be, to be what rock and roll is. 1021 00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:48,548 I think now, family is important. 1022 00:46:48,764 --> 00:46:51,676 You know, people say that when the kids are small, 1023 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,928 it's the harder time, but we both tend 1024 00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:54,930 to disagree with that. 1025 00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:56,373 Now that they're getting older, 1026 00:46:56,397 --> 00:46:59,139 the demands are higher with them. 1027 00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:01,849 So I think the future holds, 1028 00:47:02,028 --> 00:47:05,520 or well at least hopefully my future holds 1029 00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:08,607 for papa to be around a little bit more, 1030 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,441 as we call him, the curly daddy. 1031 00:47:11,203 --> 00:47:12,693 I think he's really, 1032 00:47:12,913 --> 00:47:15,655 he's got one of the best bands I've ever heard behind him, 1033 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,456 he can't go wrong. 1034 00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:20,910 And he's got that guy singing for him, you know, 1035 00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:23,545 what's his frickin'? 1036 00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,670 Myles, he's a frickin' great singer, man. 1037 00:47:26,886 --> 00:47:28,501 Unworldly, really. 1038 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,428 This is a cohesive unit at this point, you know. 1039 00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:32,967 I think Myles is a killer singer, 1040 00:47:33,184 --> 00:47:34,578 and they write great songs together, 1041 00:47:34,602 --> 00:47:35,933 there's a great chemistry. 1042 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:40,437 And he seems to be, I think he's going to eclipse his past. 1043 00:47:40,649 --> 00:47:44,141 I think he found the great lineup finally, you know, 1044 00:47:44,362 --> 00:47:47,570 I've seen him go through different itinerations, you know? 1045 00:47:47,782 --> 00:47:51,024 And this time, I think he's really nailed it. 1046 00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:52,653 He's got a great singer, 1047 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:56,488 and they've got between them, I think they've got 1048 00:47:56,707 --> 00:47:59,915 a long way to go, they've got a lot of music inside them 1049 00:48:00,127 --> 00:48:02,368 that, you know, when they start writing more, 1050 00:48:02,588 --> 00:48:07,457 I think they're going to, I hope they stay together, 1051 00:48:07,676 --> 00:48:08,796 because they're really good. 1052 00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:11,506 And I think the guys that he has playing with him 1053 00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:14,555 are a really good band, and I think 1054 00:48:14,767 --> 00:48:16,247 it's a very comfortable thing for him, 1055 00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:19,097 and that's really probably what's most important, you know? 1056 00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:21,520 And he's making music that he likes to play. 1057 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:23,814 It's still what gets him up out of bed every day. 1058 00:48:23,984 --> 00:48:25,474 He loves the guitar. 1059 00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,104 He loves rock and roll. 1060 00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:28,936 And to me that's very pure, 1061 00:48:29,115 --> 00:48:31,697 and I think that that's, and I think people see that. 1062 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:33,240 I think that's what they feel, 1063 00:48:33,452 --> 00:48:35,659 and that's why he's where he's at, 1064 00:48:35,871 --> 00:48:37,202 that's why he's slash. 1065 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:39,226 You're not going to take that guitar out of his hand. 1066 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:40,930 You're not going to pry it out of his hand. 1067 00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:42,791 Nothing's going to make him stop playing. 1068 00:48:42,962 --> 00:48:45,829 So whether it's guns n' roses if that happens, 1069 00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:47,462 or what he's doing now, 1070 00:48:47,675 --> 00:48:49,085 or some other version of it, 1071 00:48:49,301 --> 00:48:50,507 he's always going to do that, 1072 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,086 and that is a gift to the fans, 1073 00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:57,423 and that is honesty, and we don't get a lot 1074 00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,179 of honesty in this business, you know? 1075 00:48:59,395 --> 00:49:01,351 A lot of people doing it for the money, 1076 00:49:01,564 --> 00:49:03,667 a lot of people doing it for this reason and that reason. 1077 00:49:03,691 --> 00:49:05,227 He is only doing it because he loves 1078 00:49:05,443 --> 00:49:07,855 that goddamn les Paul to death, you know? 1079 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:09,564 Probably doesn't love anything 1080 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,862 as much as he loves that les Paul. 1081 00:49:12,241 --> 00:49:13,981 You know, music is his mistress. 1082 00:49:14,201 --> 00:49:15,486 It's number one. 1083 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:20,863 I had this '59 les Paul, 1084 00:49:21,041 --> 00:49:23,953 and I sold it for Christmas money, 1085 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:26,912 and then I just kind of counted it gone, you know? 1086 00:49:27,131 --> 00:49:30,589 And then after the band got back together, 1087 00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:32,837 I got a call from a Johnson, 1088 00:49:33,012 --> 00:49:36,971 he said, "I heard that this guitar might possibly be yours." 1089 00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:38,410 He described it to me, and I said, 1090 00:49:38,434 --> 00:49:39,924 "yeah, that sounds like the one." 1091 00:49:40,102 --> 00:49:43,185 And he asked if I wanted to buy it back. 1092 00:49:43,397 --> 00:49:45,638 I didn't have the bread at that point. 1093 00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:47,064 I guess he went on to sell it, 1094 00:49:47,318 --> 00:49:50,185 and I lost track of it for years. 1095 00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:53,107 I started making enough money 1096 00:49:53,324 --> 00:49:56,111 where I was able to kind of fill in my collection again, 1097 00:49:56,327 --> 00:49:58,659 and I was thinking maybe I could find that guitar. 1098 00:49:58,871 --> 00:50:01,783 So we searched around, and I spread the word, 1099 00:50:01,957 --> 00:50:04,664 and one day at rehearsal, Brad said, 1100 00:50:04,877 --> 00:50:06,208 "oh, I know where that guitar is." 1101 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:09,708 And he showed me a copy of guitar player magazine 1102 00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:12,131 I think it was, and the center spread 1103 00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:14,550 was slash"s guitar collection, 1104 00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:17,003 and right in the middle of it was that guitar. 1105 00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:19,384 So I got on the phone with him, 1106 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,057 and he said, "oh, man, I knew I was going 1107 00:50:22,269 --> 00:50:23,304 "to get the phone call.” 1108 00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:26,012 And, "oh, shit, don't ask me that. 1109 00:50:26,232 --> 00:50:27,722 "Let me think about it." 1110 00:50:27,942 --> 00:50:29,961 And, you know, of course I never got a phone call back, 1111 00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:31,691 and then I called him again, 1112 00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:33,314 and it got to the point where 1113 00:50:33,531 --> 00:50:35,772 our conversations got farther and farther apart, 1114 00:50:35,991 --> 00:50:39,575 and I said, "this is getting in the way of our friendship." 1115 00:50:39,787 --> 00:50:41,698 I'm not going to ask you ever again for it. 1116 00:50:41,914 --> 00:50:45,077 If you ever feel like selling it back to me, 1117 00:50:45,292 --> 00:50:48,910 you know, fine, but at least I know where it is, 1118 00:50:49,129 --> 00:50:51,211 and I'm happy about that, you know? 1119 00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:54,756 More years went on, and then I had my 50th birthday, 1120 00:50:54,969 --> 00:50:57,802 my guitar tech walks up with the les Paul. 1121 00:50:57,972 --> 00:51:01,430 And he said, "slash wants you to have this." 1122 00:51:01,642 --> 00:51:06,352 And I was speechless, you know, for a while, 1123 00:51:06,564 --> 00:51:09,271 and then I picked it up, and it was like, "wow. 1124 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:10,752 "It feels just like I remember it." 1125 00:51:10,776 --> 00:51:14,519 And that was it, you know? 1126 00:51:14,738 --> 00:51:16,274 And I called slash up and thanked him, 1127 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:19,448 and it was like I was still blown away, 1128 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:21,446 I'm still blown away by it, you know? 1129 00:51:21,662 --> 00:51:24,825 But it really shows, you know, 1130 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,281 he's just got such a huge heart. 1131 00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:37,049 J I think it's time to set this world on fire. 1132 00:51:37,428 --> 00:51:42,388 J I think it's time to push it to the edge. 1133 00:51:53,527 --> 00:51:55,267 I've always been an analog guy. 1134 00:51:55,487 --> 00:51:58,479 The sound of drums and guitars 1135 00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:03,614 just sound better on tape than digital. 1136 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:09,491 But I also like having to go in there and actually perform 1137 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:11,021 this song from one end to the other 1138 00:52:11,045 --> 00:52:15,288 without any interruptions, which a lot of producers 1139 00:52:15,507 --> 00:52:19,091 and a lot of bands nowadays don't do. 1140 00:52:20,512 --> 00:52:22,594 And with tape you find yourself, you're listening, 1141 00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:24,576 like you were actually sitting between the speakers. 1142 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,744 I can't see where the kick drum is, 1143 00:52:25,768 --> 00:52:27,349 I don't know if he's pushed behind 1144 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,348 like within a frame or two. 1145 00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:32,054 Does it feel good? 1146 00:52:32,274 --> 00:52:33,389 Does it sound good? 1147 00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:36,521 That's all you have to go by. 1148 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:47,536 With guys that we have some like-minded energy, 1149 00:52:47,748 --> 00:52:48,407 vou know what I mean? 1150 00:52:48,624 --> 00:52:49,830 It's all sort of got to be, 1151 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,584 everybody's got to be into that sort of same concept. 1152 00:52:54,463 --> 00:52:55,649 And once I have that foundation, 1153 00:52:55,673 --> 00:52:57,914 that's what I can expand on. 1154 00:52:58,133 --> 00:52:59,213 So I don't like to be like, 1155 00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:00,628 "okay, here. 1156 00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:01,924 "Here's all the parts. 1157 00:53:02,096 --> 00:53:03,461 "Learn this, learn that." 1158 00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:05,804 "Or you can record it over there at your house. 1159 00:53:05,974 --> 00:53:09,011 "I'll send you, you know, the tracks or whatever." 1160 00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:12,971 I love what happens, the sort of combustible energy 1161 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:14,668 that happens when you get the right type 1162 00:53:14,692 --> 00:53:15,898 of players together. 1163 00:53:16,068 --> 00:53:18,480 The first step to putting the record together 1164 00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:19,964 is to go and jam those songs out 1165 00:53:19,988 --> 00:53:22,195 for an extensive amount of time, 1166 00:53:22,408 --> 00:53:23,718 just to get comfortable with them. 1167 00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:26,324 So before we even started to officially record, 1168 00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:28,402 which was in the last couple weeks, 1169 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:31,489 it was basically October, 1170 00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:36,123 which was about four months ago, 1171 00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:37,919 where we started to just get 1172 00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:40,832 in the studio and work on those songs, 1173 00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:43,421 so, not a lot of bands do that anymore, 1174 00:53:43,637 --> 00:53:47,095 is actually to go and flesh those songs out for a while 1175 00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,515 before you actually press record. 1176 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,434 You know, you hope that when you 1177 00:53:52,646 --> 00:53:54,511 press that red button, 1178 00:53:54,732 --> 00:53:56,768 that you're bouncing off of each other 1179 00:53:56,984 --> 00:53:59,145 making this amazing racket together 1180 00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:00,476 that it's being captured, 1181 00:54:00,696 --> 00:54:02,716 and it's not about, "now we have to kind of sand off 1182 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,605 "all the edgy points on that 1183 00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:08,568 "and make it kind of palatable for just the general public.” 1184 00:54:08,787 --> 00:54:10,869 It's supposed to be a specialized thing. 1185 00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,576 What we do is specialized for people who dig what we do. 1186 00:54:14,042 --> 00:54:16,658 I feel like, you know, now it's the sophomore record 1187 00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:18,599 of the conspirators, you can definitely feel 1188 00:54:18,714 --> 00:54:21,080 the band vibe, you know, 1189 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:23,040 everybody's gelling together, 1190 00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:25,922 and that's just, you know, it's apparent. 1191 00:54:26,096 --> 00:54:28,178 You can definitely hear it on this record. 1192 00:54:28,557 --> 00:54:30,673 A lot less here and more here. 1193 00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:32,804 Which for me sometimes is kind of a challenge, 1194 00:54:32,978 --> 00:54:34,497 because sometimes you tend to get a little, 1195 00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:35,790 you want to get a little too cerebral, 1196 00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:36,519 and you got to remember 1197 00:54:36,732 --> 00:54:37,892 this is a rock and roll band, 1198 00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:39,836 and I think a lot of what slash does is from the hip, 1199 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:42,727 and I, to keep it, congruent, I need to remember 1200 00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:45,278 that as a lyricist as well. 1201 00:54:45,491 --> 00:54:46,885 You know, when 1 make a studio record, 1202 00:54:46,909 --> 00:54:49,651 it's great, but it's all sort of a means to an end 1203 00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:51,735 which is to go out and perform, 1204 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:55,698 so I'm really more of a live artist than a recording artist. 1205 00:54:55,918 --> 00:54:58,534 Sometimes, as you get a little bit more successful, 1206 00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:00,354 you start playing at these bigger places, 1207 00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:03,380 and that's great, but I like to be able to break it up 1208 00:55:03,592 --> 00:55:04,798 and still be able to play 1209 00:55:04,968 --> 00:55:09,428 in these really sort of small, loud, sweaty venues, 1210 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,509 and for the release of this new record world on fire, 1211 00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:16,593 I thought it'd be great to do 1212 00:55:16,814 --> 00:55:18,850 like, three of them in a row, you know, 1213 00:55:19,024 --> 00:55:21,766 the main ones that I got my start in. 1214 00:55:56,228 --> 00:55:58,765 J last night in paradise 1215 00:55:58,981 --> 00:56:02,940 j I can feel it down in my bones 1216 00:56:03,110 --> 00:56:04,771 j left the good lord behind 1217 00:56:04,987 --> 00:56:06,773 j now I die on the vine 1218 00:56:06,989 --> 00:56:11,904 j waiting for my redemption song 1219 00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:15,953 j I am never safe 1220 00:56:16,957 --> 00:56:20,916 j just a walking bomb 1221 00:56:21,086 --> 00:56:24,999 j in a midnight rage 1222 00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:26,796 j and I'm gone 1223 00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:31,927 j; I'm getting off this wicked stone 1224 00:56:33,974 --> 00:56:35,305 for some reason I always loved 1225 00:56:35,517 --> 00:56:38,259 being able to go back and play 1226 00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:41,220 at any one of these clubs, you know? 1227 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,399 I like being in a sort of that intimate, 1228 00:56:45,611 --> 00:56:48,444 you know, toe-to-toe environment. 1229 00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,520 When I was a kid, I remember making 1230 00:56:50,741 --> 00:56:51,856 the pilgrimage down here. 1231 00:56:52,034 --> 00:56:55,902 It was summer 1988, and I was reading all about 1232 00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:57,639 everything that was happening down here, 1233 00:56:57,664 --> 00:56:58,744 and I convinced my cousin 1234 00:56:58,957 --> 00:57:02,950 to try and get me into some of these places. 1235 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:07,083 And I remember going to the troubadour first 1236 00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:08,960 and just peeking in and being like, "wow," 1237 00:57:09,176 --> 00:57:10,336 and there was hardly anybody, 1238 00:57:10,469 --> 00:57:12,175 it was like a Tuesday night or something, 1239 00:57:12,387 --> 00:57:13,987 and there was almost no one in the venue, 1240 00:57:14,014 --> 00:57:15,033 and we went up to the roxy, 1241 00:57:15,057 --> 00:57:17,218 and I mean it was really cool for me, 1242 00:57:19,846 --> 00:57:22,730 just because I'd heard so much for so long. 1243 00:57:22,731 --> 00:57:24,851 And then, of course, the whisky a go go was happening, 1244 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:29,894 and then we'd all kind of saunter up sunset late night, 1245 00:57:30,072 --> 00:57:31,257 about 2 in the morning, head into 1246 00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:32,771 the rainbow parking lot. 1247 00:57:32,991 --> 00:57:36,859 You were at the roxy or you were at the whisky 1248 00:57:37,037 --> 00:57:38,652 or the rainbow. 1249 00:57:38,872 --> 00:57:40,487 I remember when Van halen first came out, 1250 00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:43,870 and there was bands like exciter playing 1251 00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:46,786 at the starwood, you know, Nikki sixx's old band London. 1252 00:57:46,964 --> 00:57:48,232 There was this whole scene, but there was also 1253 00:57:48,256 --> 00:57:51,123 sort of burgeoning punk scene developing 1254 00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:52,423 as well at the same time. 1255 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,927 But I love the whole dirty underbelly scene 1256 00:57:56,139 --> 00:57:57,595 that was happening in Los Angeles. 1257 00:57:57,808 --> 00:57:58,848 T had a band called London 1258 00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:00,762 and kind of started to make 1259 00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:02,263 a little bit of a stink around. 1260 00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:03,665 We were kind of like the only band 1261 00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:05,475 that kind of had a little bit of a 1262 00:58:05,691 --> 00:58:09,058 New York dolls, hoople vibe 1263 00:58:09,277 --> 00:58:13,771 but played this kind of little bit poppier stuff. 1264 00:58:13,991 --> 00:58:14,821 It wasn't like, you know, 1265 00:58:14,992 --> 00:58:16,192 some of these television shows 1266 00:58:16,284 --> 00:58:17,569 where you see all these guys 1267 00:58:17,786 --> 00:58:19,430 they're rolling up on harleys and, you know 1268 00:58:19,454 --> 00:58:21,410 they've got like the kaiser helmets on 1269 00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:26,538 and shit like that, but this was just a whole different 1270 00:58:27,379 --> 00:58:28,664 kind of a scene. 1271 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,586 That was when I really got my first taste 1272 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,068 of what a real rock star looks like. 1273 00:58:32,092 --> 00:58:35,710 I saw Roger Taylor pull up in a rolls Royce, from queen. 1274 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:36,969 He got out with two girls, 1275 00:58:37,139 --> 00:58:39,755 and he was wearing like a savile row suit, 1276 00:58:39,975 --> 00:58:42,591 you know, holding a glass of champagne. 1277 00:58:42,811 --> 00:58:45,518 And I was like, "man, that, looks like he's having 1278 00:58:45,731 --> 00:58:46,971 "a pretty good life." 1279 00:58:56,992 --> 00:59:00,576 J kill the ghost 1280 00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:04,996 j that hides in your soul 1281 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:13,208 j rock 'n' roll 1282 00:59:17,971 --> 00:59:19,427 he's a very quiet person. 1283 00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:21,175 He's not somebody that's very outgoing, 1284 00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:22,676 and there's a certain veil 1285 00:59:22,893 --> 00:59:25,305 that he kind of has on all the time. 1286 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,385 And then when you hear him play, 1287 00:59:27,606 --> 00:59:30,188 it all comes pouring out. 1288 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:34,400 He doesn't like to talk, 1289 00:59:34,613 --> 00:59:36,382 and he doesn't like to talk about himself in all things, 1290 00:59:36,406 --> 00:59:37,967 and you realize, well, he's a great talker, 1291 00:59:37,991 --> 00:59:39,356 and there's a lot of things 1292 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:41,656 that you could learn about him talking about himself, 1293 00:59:41,787 --> 00:59:44,278 but it all comes out in guitar playing instead. 1294 00:59:44,498 --> 00:59:45,498 His voice is guitar. 1295 00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:46,325 He doesn't like to sing it. 1296 00:59:46,541 --> 00:59:47,541 He wants to play it. 1297 00:59:47,667 --> 00:59:49,077 And I think that's cool too. 1298 00:59:51,838 --> 00:59:54,420 That's something that obviously was inside him 1299 00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:55,902 long before he picked up a guitar. 1300 00:59:55,926 --> 00:59:57,132 The guitar was just sort of 1301 00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:59,005 an extension of him in a sense. 1302 00:59:59,221 --> 01:00:00,381 He had great parents that had 1303 01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:02,303 good record collections. 1304 01:00:02,557 --> 01:00:06,095 Unfortunately, my folks had liberace. 1305 01:00:29,501 --> 01:00:31,062 We would play the troubadour once in a while, 1306 01:00:31,086 --> 01:00:33,702 like really low on a Monday night, 1307 01:00:33,922 --> 01:00:35,833 the opening band on a Monday night, 1308 01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:37,292 and started moving up there. 1309 01:00:37,509 --> 01:00:40,421 Putting out the flyers and that, 1310 01:00:40,637 --> 01:00:41,752 so they have to go out. 1311 01:00:41,972 --> 01:00:43,932 What's the best place you can get your flyers out, 1312 01:00:43,974 --> 01:00:45,305 the rainbow, isn't it? 1313 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:46,677 You know? 1314 01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:48,371 I mean it's still the best club in Hollywood, 1315 01:00:48,395 --> 01:00:49,555 as far as I know. 1316 01:02:24,491 --> 01:02:27,574 He's still, if you see him sitting around somewhere 1317 01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,449 or anywhere where he's not actually on a camera 1318 01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:32,975 or doing something that he has to do, 1319 01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:34,409 he's got a guitar in his hands, 1320 01:02:34,626 --> 01:02:37,493 and he's constantly rolling, you know? 1321 01:02:37,712 --> 01:02:39,668 And it's really impressive. 1322 01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:41,542 That's his bliss. 1323 01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:42,758 He's following his bliss. 1324 01:02:42,926 --> 01:02:44,541 When he plays guitar, it seems to me 1325 01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:46,668 like that's when he's happiest. 1326 01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:49,504 The thing that is still true to this day 1327 01:02:49,724 --> 01:02:51,885 about slash is you very rarely see him 1328 01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:54,016 and he doesn't have a guitar in his hand. 1329 01:02:54,229 --> 01:02:56,436 Any time I see him, I've even told him that as a joke, 1330 01:02:56,648 --> 01:02:58,376 I'm like, you know, if he's going to come over, 1331 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,461 I'm like, you know, "are you going to drive and play guitar 1332 01:03:00,485 --> 01:03:01,485 "at the same time?" 1333 01:03:01,569 --> 01:03:01,933 You know? 1334 01:03:02,153 --> 01:03:02,892 And it's true. 1335 01:03:03,071 --> 01:03:04,732 He loves playing guitar so much. 1336 01:03:04,948 --> 01:03:07,439 And that's why he's continued throughout the years 1337 01:03:07,659 --> 01:03:09,059 to get better and better and better, 1338 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,280 because that's what he does. 1339 01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:11,576 That is who he is. 1340 01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:13,403 He's a guitar player. 1341 01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:15,363 I mean, I've known him how long now? 1342 01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:18,040 30 years. 1343 01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:23,168 And nine out of ten times when we're together, 1344 01:03:23,591 --> 01:03:25,081 he has a guitar in his hand. 1345 01:03:25,302 --> 01:03:29,636 He's always playing, always working on something. 1346 01:03:29,848 --> 01:03:32,089 So he's probably the, I mean he's the hardest-working 1347 01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:34,675 guitar player that I know, 1348 01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:37,055 as far as like what work he does at home 1349 01:03:37,272 --> 01:03:39,809 or backstage before a show 1350 01:03:39,983 --> 01:03:42,690 or in his hotel room or on the bus, 1351 01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:44,563 he's always playing. 1352 01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:46,485 And I look at slash, and slash has that, 1353 01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:48,279 like he's got rhythm, and he's got, 1354 01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:49,691 he'll go off, and you can tell 1355 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:51,657 it's just coming from right there, you know? 1356 01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:53,110 And it's all in the hands. 1357 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:55,070 It's not in like some pedals on the floor. 1358 01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:56,530 It's like all right there. 1359 01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:58,866 When you see someone really doing that, 1360 01:03:59,044 --> 01:04:00,750 like, "wow! 1361 01:04:00,962 --> 01:04:03,419 "That's why he is the guy that he is.” 1362 01:04:03,631 --> 01:04:04,336 You know? 1363 01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:05,880 It's not the hat and the glasses 1364 01:04:06,051 --> 01:04:07,587 and the smoke or whatever. 1365 01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:10,384 It's like all right there in his hands. 1366 01:04:10,597 --> 01:04:12,383 You couldn't ask for a better guitar player. 1367 01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:14,702 I mean, he's played on a couple of our albums, you know? 1368 01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:17,308 And he's been every time, you know? 1369 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,937 We're going to do another song off the brand new record. 1370 01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:22,643 This is called meant to fly. 1371 01:04:47,801 --> 01:04:50,543 J mama, don't you cry 1372 01:04:50,762 --> 01:04:53,629 j don't you worry 1373 01:04:53,848 --> 01:04:58,763 j I cannot stay here any longer 1374 01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:01,682 I wouldn't be being honest 1375 01:05:01,898 --> 01:05:04,059 if I didn't say sometimes when I see him playing, 1376 01:05:04,275 --> 01:05:07,813 I'm like, "for fuck's sake, we should be playing 1377 01:05:07,987 --> 01:05:11,354 "together, somehow, again.” 1378 01:05:11,574 --> 01:05:13,815 But this is his path right now, 1379 01:05:13,993 --> 01:05:18,908 and I appreciate that, and support him in every way, 1380 01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:23,746 without resentment or jealousy or anything like that. 1381 01:05:24,587 --> 01:05:26,168 I check in with him, you know, 1382 01:05:26,381 --> 01:05:28,747 make sure he's doing okay. 1383 01:05:28,967 --> 01:05:31,754 And he's busy. 1384 01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:33,210 I just went and jammed with him 1385 01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:35,546 outside of Seattle a couple weeks ago. 1386 01:05:35,765 --> 01:05:37,301 They opened for aerosmith. 1387 01:05:37,767 --> 01:05:40,850 You know, I played drums on one song 1388 01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:44,604 on his last solo record, 1389 01:05:44,816 --> 01:05:48,604 and he asked if I'd come in and sing a song, 1390 01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:50,423 I said, "oh, man, you don't want me singing a song. 1391 01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:51,607 "Can I play drums? 1392 01:05:51,823 --> 01:05:53,023 "I'll come in and play drums.” 1393 01:05:53,158 --> 01:05:54,158 He said, "okay. 1394 01:05:54,367 --> 01:05:56,528 "There's an instrumental track.” 1395 01:05:56,744 --> 01:05:58,109 So I come to the studio, 1396 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,866 Eric Valentine's producing, duff was there, 1397 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,281 slash was there. 1398 01:06:03,501 --> 01:06:06,834 We sat down, listened to a demo of it, 1399 01:06:07,005 --> 01:06:08,916 said okay, walked out of the room, 1400 01:06:09,132 --> 01:06:11,498 the instruments were set up, 1401 01:06:11,718 --> 01:06:16,633 ran through it one time, hit record, did it one more time, 1402 01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:19,715 and that was the take. 1403 01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:24,849 But to watch duff and slash sit and talk about 1404 01:06:25,773 --> 01:06:28,185 the song together as we were getting ready to record, 1405 01:06:28,401 --> 01:06:29,436 "no, you do this part. 1406 01:06:29,652 --> 01:06:30,963 "Okay if you do that, then I'm going to, 1407 01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:32,818 "in this part I'll lay back and then 1408 01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:34,229 "we got to build that thing up, 1409 01:06:34,324 --> 01:06:35,759 "and make sure that part goes four times," 1410 01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:37,783 and I'm sitting there behind the drum set thinking, 1411 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:44,160 "am I watching like a guns n' roses documentary right now?" 1412 01:06:45,043 --> 01:06:47,625 Like I felt like I was watching 1413 01:06:49,714 --> 01:06:55,675 something like history happening in front of me, you know? 1414 01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:58,461 I mean I look at musicians and music 1415 01:06:58,681 --> 01:07:05,177 as important as any politician or any pope, you know? 1416 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:08,896 The music and the songs that these people make together 1417 01:07:09,067 --> 01:07:11,729 go on to influence people or inspire them 1418 01:07:11,945 --> 01:07:13,936 to change the world. 1419 01:07:14,155 --> 01:07:17,568 Generations of people are changed by two people 1420 01:07:17,784 --> 01:07:20,526 sitting together and writing a song. 1421 01:07:20,745 --> 01:07:21,985 And as I sat there and watched 1422 01:07:21,996 --> 01:07:23,327 the two of them do that, 1423 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:27,783 I thought, "I get to witness something really special." 1424 01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:30,873 This is like history being made. 1425 01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,163 Regardless if gene Simmons says 1426 01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:37,797 rock and roll is dead. 1427 01:07:37,971 --> 01:07:40,087 If you listened to him, we'd all be fucked. 1428 01:07:42,725 --> 01:07:44,590 You know, so it's like no, rock and roll 1429 01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:47,598 is not dead, gene, let me explain it to you. 1430 01:07:47,814 --> 01:07:52,308 First of all, rock and roll was never about making money 1431 01:07:52,527 --> 01:07:56,019 and, you know, fuckin' building golf courses 1432 01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,195 or whatever the fuck else you do. 1433 01:07:58,408 --> 01:08:01,320 Rock and roll was always about 1434 01:08:01,536 --> 01:08:06,405 that celebration of rebellion, 1435 01:08:06,708 --> 01:08:09,074 the celebration of life, the celebration of being 1436 01:08:09,294 --> 01:08:13,128 an individual, freedom, freedom to be 1437 01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:16,206 exactly who you are whenever you want. 1438 01:08:16,426 --> 01:08:19,213 You don't listen to the man. 1439 01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:20,669 That's rock and roll. 1440 01:08:20,888 --> 01:08:24,631 Rock and roll is a sense of being. 1441 01:08:24,851 --> 01:08:26,716 It's who you are, you know? 1442 01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:30,099 And you look at guys like slash, 1443 01:08:30,315 --> 01:08:31,430 and you look at lemmy, 1444 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:33,935 and you go, "those guys, those are those guys." 1445 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:37,648 I was driving down sunset boulevard the other day, 1446 01:08:37,864 --> 01:08:40,321 and I have these moments where, you know, 1447 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:41,818 I just am like, "wait a minute. 1448 01:08:41,993 --> 01:08:43,824 "I came here on a greyhound bus." 1449 01:08:43,995 --> 01:08:46,782 I was driving down sunset, and, you know, 1450 01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:48,787 I've had an amazing career, 1451 01:08:48,958 --> 01:08:51,574 and I'm in my Ferrari, and the top was off, 1452 01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:53,659 and the street's the same, you know? 1453 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,589 Everything's the same, just the years have ticked by, 1454 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,507 and I drove by guitar center, 1455 01:09:00,762 --> 01:09:02,172 and there was a picture of slash 1456 01:09:02,388 --> 01:09:03,548 on the side of guitar center, 1457 01:09:03,681 --> 01:09:06,764 and I thought to myself, you know, 1458 01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:09,718 "he's going to be doing this 1459 01:09:09,937 --> 01:09:12,474 "like the way b.B. King is doing this, 1460 01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:17,559 "he's going to be doing this into his 60s and 70s and 80s. 1461 01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:18,939 It's what he's gonna do. 1462 01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:48,514 Okay, the most important question, 1463 01:09:48,726 --> 01:09:50,091 when did you get the haircut? 1464 01:09:55,024 --> 01:09:57,060 And action! 1465 01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:01,361 I love you slash. 1466 01:10:02,824 --> 01:10:03,609 Yeah, anything you want to tell him? 1467 01:10:03,825 --> 01:10:04,610 I love you! 1468 01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:05,565 I miss you! 1469 01:10:05,785 --> 01:10:06,570 When are we going to go to lunch? 1470 01:10:06,786 --> 01:10:08,322 You work too much! 1471 01:10:08,538 --> 01:10:09,994 Stay home for a little bit. 1472 01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:12,823 You're loved. 1473 01:10:15,503 --> 01:10:20,167 You know, but uh, 1474 01:10:20,383 --> 01:10:23,671 now I don't remember what the question was. 1475 01:10:25,722 --> 01:10:26,722 What was the question? 1476 01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:28,296 I don't know! 1477 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:29,676 The story of my fuckin' life. 109342

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