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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,520 If my boss knew that my brother was a convicted armed robber... 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,440 She's mad. Bonkers. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,160 Is Gill coming? What, Godzilla? 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,279 What? 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,119 Don't. Dom, don't do that 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,880 Look, it doesn't matter. 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,000 I'm talking to your senior partner and your ass is grass. 8 00:00:32,457 --> 00:00:50,432 Subtitles by MemoryOnSmells http://UKsubtitles.ru 9 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,480 Night. See you later. 10 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,839 Whoa! Sorry boss. Rachel! Give us a second, Sam. 11 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,279 Has Janet gone? Yeah. She had a GCSE meeting at school with Elise. 12 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,959 Are you doing anything? Just dropping this lot of disclosure schedules off. 13 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,039 You got anything on over the next few days 14 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,119 you can't wriggle out of? Court appearances, anything? No. 15 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,519 You fancy a bit of overtime? Yeah. 16 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Get that done, go home, pack a bag. I'll pick you up in an hour. 17 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,439 Yeah. Why, where we going? Cambridge. Ravenhill Prison. 18 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,319 Then Bristol. North Avon! It will all become clear. 19 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,639 Sammy? Yep, so bins out tomorrow night. 20 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,880 Yes, I know you know that. I'm telling you 21 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,880 because I'm not going to be there. 22 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,680 Dom? 23 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,400 Dom, I'm going away for a couple of days... 24 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Shit. Who the hell's that? 25 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,640 I thought you said no-one else'd be here. 26 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,640 Fuck this. 27 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,800 Are you going to introduce me to your friend? No we we were... 28 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,800 I want my Ј20 back. 29 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,879 Married. Are we? I don't think so, pal. 30 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,360 Can you remember where the door is, or shall I show you? 31 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,360 You're hurting me! 32 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,959 I've got your registration number, arsehole, 33 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 so don't think I can't find out where you live 34 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,360 or every single thing there is to know about you. 35 00:02:54,361 --> 00:02:56,360 Fetch. 36 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,319 I don't even know where to start, Dom. Have you done this before? Here? 37 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,399 No. Two things. I'm a police officer and you've just used my flat 38 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,799 to sell sex in. Do you understand that you can't do that? 39 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,040 And number two... what are you doing? 40 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,040 What you doing? 41 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,759 Do you want me to go? No, Dom! 44 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,160 Right. OK. Look. 45 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,560 I'm... I'm going away for a couple of days. So I... 46 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,079 Shit. 47 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,440 I don't know what you had to do, Dom, in prison, 48 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,440 to get by but this is the deal, right? 49 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,079 That is in the past. You're in my world now. 50 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,640 If you're short for money then... then you talk to me. 51 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Before you even dream about doing anything like that ever again, right? 52 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,279 Right. I'm going to be away, so, God, I don't know... 53 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,079 Can you promise me... 54 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,320 Promise me that you will try 55 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,320 to behave like you've got the sense you were born with. Or I'll... 56 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,680 I will ask you to leave, Dom. Because I'll be left with no choice. 57 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,600 I just wanted to pay you back for your kitchen. 58 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Have you had a HIV test? 59 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,880 Does the name Jeremy Leach ring any bells? 60 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,880 Jeremy Leach? 61 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,919 He raped and strangled three women in the West Country, 62 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,959 and one in Reading. Ten years ago? 63 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:04,679 13 years ago. Sexually assaulted six women, probably twice that many. 64 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,439 All across the south. But yeah, 65 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,399 the court convicted him on the four he raped and strangled. 66 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 So what are we... We're going to visit him. 67 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Those are for you. 68 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,039 Leach? Wasn't he a total control freak? 69 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,199 Control freak, psychopath, narcissist. 70 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,879 It's all in there. When he was caught, how he was caught, 71 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,719 psychological reports. So why are we visiting him? 72 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,519 Three weeks ago, just outside Bristol a woman turned up dead. 73 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,999 Yasmin Heaney. She'd been raped and strangled. 74 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,079 Whoever did it used an MO almost identical to Jeremy Leach's. 75 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,159 The details of which, for obvious reasons, 76 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,919 were never released to the press. 77 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,159 For instance... he used cable ties to fasten his victim's thumbs together. 78 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,039 It's all in there, even the victim profile fits. 79 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,799 White, 32-year-old professional. But it can't be him? 80 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,719 It's unlikely. He's been tucked up at Her Majesty's pleasure 81 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,479 for the last thirteen years. 82 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,680 He's not looking at parole till 2036, if ever. 83 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,680 So it's a copycat thing? Yeah. 84 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Didn't he get convicted over a single thumb print? 85 00:06:11,561 --> 00:06:13,999 Not even that. It was a partial thumb print. 86 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,079 But enough to get his DNA. 87 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,719 Did you catch him? It went across four forces, including the Met, 88 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,759 but yes, when I worked for the NPIA. 89 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,119 Crime Faculty, as was. We got invited in. 90 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,439 They were desperate, they had nothing. 91 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,479 He was clever. Nowhere near as clever 92 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,479 as he thought he was, of course. 93 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,519 They never are. So why are... 94 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,039 He says he has information about Yasmin's death. 95 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,319 Because I went in from the Crime Faculty, 96 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,439 Leach doesn't know I was involved in the original investigation. 97 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,039 My name will mean nothing to him. But why do you need me? 98 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,719 I squared it with the boss. Can you read in a car without being sick? 99 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,680 I'd make a start. We'll hit the hotel by eleven, 100 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,120 then we're seeing him at nine o'clock sharp tomorrow morning. 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,160 I still don't know why you need me. I'm a Chief Inspector. 102 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,960 I haven't done an interview in ten years! Don't worry, I'll be there. 103 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Hiya. What's happening with our Dom? 104 00:07:19,041 --> 00:07:21,239 Nothing. Why? What is happening with our Dom? 105 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,039 He's saying you've chucked him out. I didn't chuck him out. 106 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,319 Hey, I'm not blaming you, Rachel. 107 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,359 I haven't chucked him out. 108 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,199 Right, well I can't put him up cos Tony won't have it. 109 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,240 Alison. I haven't chucked him out. 110 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,600 We just had a bit of an argument, 111 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,919 Look, is he there now? No, he's gone. 112 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,639 Gone where? I don't know. I don't think he knew himself. 113 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,679 Has he been behaving? 114 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,919 He's not been drinking, or... 115 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,799 No. No. Not at all. It's one of the conditions of his license, 116 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,000 not drinking, he's really stuck to that, it's just... 117 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 What? 118 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Oh, look, Alison, I'm away for a couple of days. 119 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,080 I think I've frightened him. 120 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,079 I told him he needed to get himself tested for HIV. 121 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,799 Why? 122 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,679 He's hang on, Sammy, he's what? He's done what? The whore... 123 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,359 Let's get this straight, the whore has kicked him, your dad, out? Why? 124 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,399 Because in prison. I think he might of... like sold his assets. 125 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,279 Oh, no way! He can't keep his pants up, can he? 126 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,599 Right, well, there you go, eh? Taste of her own medicine. Bitch. 127 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,839 Sold his... Can you work it out Alison? 128 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,079 He's bringing an overnight bag with him where? 129 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,160 I will. I'll call him but he's not homeless. 130 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,120 No. No. No, Sammy. That is not happening. 131 00:08:42,121 --> 00:08:43,919 He is not sleeping at our house. 132 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,239 He's got a key to my flat, so he's not homeless. 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Yeah, I know he's your dad, but you tell him to ring me, 134 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,678 I will deal with it, because he is not... 135 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,520 Yeah. I'll ring him. I'll ring him now. 136 00:08:52,521 --> 00:08:55,159 No, Sammy, not even on the settee. I'm serious. 137 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,880 I am not being mean, Sammy. Sammy? 138 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,880 OK. Bye. 139 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,839 Dom? It's Rachel. Dave. Gill. 140 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,639 Look, our Alison's just rung me. You need to give me a ring. 141 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,399 Don't worry about what I said. 142 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,480 If you wouldn't mind being so good and kind. 143 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Just get yourself back round to my flat. 144 00:09:17,401 --> 00:09:19,160 At your earliest convenience. 145 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,800 We can talk about this properly when I get back. Right? 146 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,520 We'll sort things out. I promise. And will you ring me? 147 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,559 How come Leach even knows about the similarities to his murders? 148 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,079 A local journalist made the connection. Yesterday. 149 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,839 Who knows how, he's a journalist. 150 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,919 First person he's on the phone to is Leach's solicitor. 151 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,239 That's when the shit hit the fan. North Avon are pulling together 152 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,239 an SIO support group which we'll be part of later tomorrow 153 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,519 with some of the biggest names in the country. 154 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,639 SCAS, Detectives, forensic scientists. 155 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,479 At the risk of sounding a bit thick, why's this such a big deal? 156 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,879 Because if someone's out there using Leach's exact MO, 157 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,639 it throws doubt on his conviction. 158 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,879 It suggests it was never him in the first place, 159 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,239 that the real killer is still out there which we know to be rubbish, 160 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,279 but... there's a lot of people who think Leach's conviction 161 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,159 is the biggest miscarriage of justice in criminal history. 162 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,519 Journalists, peers, the tea and tiffin brigade. 163 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,080 Sadly, however, they're not without influence. If they can raise doubt 164 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,920 and grounds for yet another appeal, 165 00:10:28,921 --> 00:10:31,920 it's not beyond the realms of possibility Leach could walk. 166 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,040 So no pressure then. 167 00:10:47,798 --> 00:10:49,837 DCI Murray? 168 00:10:49,838 --> 00:10:52,318 'Ello 'ello. DC Bennett, North Avon. 169 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:55,478 This is DC Bailey. Rachel. Ed. 170 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:10,518 Mr Leach? Yes, hello. 171 00:12:10,518 --> 00:12:13,918 I'm DC Bailey, this is DC Bennett. We're here at your request. 172 00:12:15,318 --> 00:12:18,517 Before we start I must tell you that this meeting is being recorded. 173 00:12:18,518 --> 00:12:20,357 Good. 174 00:12:20,358 --> 00:12:24,317 I must tell you that you're not under arrest and you don't have to say anything to us, 175 00:12:24,318 --> 00:12:27,117 but anything you do say may be used in evidence. I know that. 176 00:12:27,118 --> 00:12:30,437 I know that you've been advised that you can have a solicitor present, 177 00:12:30,438 --> 00:12:32,637 but you've indicated that you don't want one. 178 00:12:32,638 --> 00:12:34,677 Is that still the case? Yes. 179 00:12:34,678 --> 00:12:36,717 Could I ask why that is, Mr Leach? 180 00:12:36,718 --> 00:12:38,838 I would've thought given your situation 181 00:12:38,838 --> 00:12:40,718 that that would be advisable. 182 00:12:44,238 --> 00:12:46,278 Is that a Manchester accent? 183 00:12:46,278 --> 00:12:49,078 What would you like to talk to us about Mr Leach? 184 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:55,877 I don't know how much you know about me, my situation. 185 00:12:55,878 --> 00:12:59,518 I'm assisting the investigation into the death of Yasmin Heaney. 186 00:12:59,518 --> 00:13:01,956 You contacted the incident room at Bristol saying 187 00:13:01,957 --> 00:13:04,398 you had some information regarding that incident. 188 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,398 I didn't... 189 00:13:10,438 --> 00:13:14,598 I didn't want my solicitor here because he has a son. 190 00:13:14,598 --> 00:13:17,478 Alastair Jackson. 191 00:13:19,518 --> 00:13:22,398 And it's becoming increasingly apparent to me for some time 192 00:13:22,398 --> 00:13:26,558 and now I'm utterly convinced that he is the man you're looking for. 193 00:13:28,278 --> 00:13:31,078 And I don't just mean for this latest attack, either. 194 00:13:32,598 --> 00:13:36,557 Desmond Jackson approached me after I'd been convicted, 195 00:13:36,558 --> 00:13:39,357 several lawyers did, knowing that I'd been poorly served 196 00:13:39,358 --> 00:13:41,877 by the man who'd originally represented me in court, 197 00:13:41,878 --> 00:13:45,637 knowing that I had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. 198 00:13:45,638 --> 00:13:50,678 I know you don't believe that, but I took him on, Desmond Jackson, 199 00:13:50,678 --> 00:13:55,278 because he seemed the most keen as well as being the most able. 200 00:13:57,398 --> 00:13:59,197 I now have reason to believe 201 00:13:59,198 --> 00:14:02,197 that he had ulterior motives in approaching me, 202 00:14:02,198 --> 00:14:07,878 motives that were to do with contriving to keep me inside prison, 203 00:14:07,878 --> 00:14:10,478 once I'd been blamed for what his son had done. 204 00:14:12,638 --> 00:14:16,397 And what grounds have you got for making this allegation, Mr Leach? 205 00:14:16,398 --> 00:14:18,797 After I was convicted, 206 00:14:18,798 --> 00:14:22,477 Alastair Jackson appeared to become obsessed with me. 207 00:14:22,478 --> 00:14:25,797 He wrote to me incessantly, he even requested to visit me, 208 00:14:25,798 --> 00:14:27,918 which I allowed him do... twice. 209 00:14:27,918 --> 00:14:32,358 At the time, you see, I regarded him as a supporter. 210 00:14:33,598 --> 00:14:38,597 But looking back I realise now that it wasn't me he was obsessed with. 211 00:14:38,598 --> 00:14:43,278 He was obsessed with the women I was accused of having murdered. 212 00:14:43,278 --> 00:14:46,638 He certainly knew far more about them than I ever did. 213 00:14:48,438 --> 00:14:52,637 I now believe from what he said 214 00:14:52,638 --> 00:14:55,158 that he knew them. 215 00:14:55,158 --> 00:14:57,678 All of them, personally. 216 00:14:58,958 --> 00:15:01,358 Well, don't you think that's significant? 217 00:15:02,638 --> 00:15:04,478 Isn't it true that most murder victims 218 00:15:04,479 --> 00:15:06,478 are killed by people they know? 219 00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,396 I'd never met this man until sometime 220 00:15:09,397 --> 00:15:11,238 after his father offered to help me, 221 00:15:11,239 --> 00:15:14,918 and yet it would appear that he knew personally the four women 222 00:15:14,918 --> 00:15:17,438 I was convicted of having murdered. I didn't. 223 00:15:18,478 --> 00:15:21,077 So you're saying that your solicitor... 224 00:15:21,078 --> 00:15:27,158 Desmond Jackson... is fully aware of what his son may have done 225 00:15:27,158 --> 00:15:29,358 and is helping to cover it up? Yes. 226 00:15:32,718 --> 00:15:34,798 Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 227 00:15:34,798 --> 00:15:37,238 Can you prove any of the things that you're saying? 228 00:15:37,239 --> 00:15:42,638 Well, I imagine I could, yes, if I wasn't stuck in here. 229 00:15:46,798 --> 00:15:50,158 He knew Yasmin Heaney, too. 230 00:15:50,158 --> 00:15:54,918 He mentioned her a number of times in letters to me. 231 00:15:56,838 --> 00:15:58,838 Would you like to see? Yeah. 232 00:16:05,918 --> 00:16:07,918 I've made copies. 233 00:16:08,678 --> 00:16:10,717 OK. 234 00:16:10,718 --> 00:16:16,478 When did you realise this... about Alastair Jackson? 235 00:16:16,478 --> 00:16:18,478 When I heard about Yasmin Heaney. 236 00:16:21,238 --> 00:16:23,238 It'd been staring me in the face. 237 00:16:24,598 --> 00:16:26,598 For years... 238 00:16:27,558 --> 00:16:29,558 and then the penny dropped. 239 00:16:30,518 --> 00:16:33,558 Is there anything else you'd like to say to me, Mr Leach? 240 00:16:35,118 --> 00:16:37,118 I shouldn't be in here. 241 00:16:39,798 --> 00:16:42,797 We have picked Alastair Jackson up, by the way. Twice. 242 00:16:42,798 --> 00:16:45,997 Yeah. I read that in the information pack. 243 00:16:45,998 --> 00:16:48,037 He did know Yasmin Heaney. 244 00:16:48,038 --> 00:16:51,077 He spent rather too much time in the library where she works. 245 00:16:51,078 --> 00:16:54,637 You making your way down to Bristol now, ma'am? That's the plan! 246 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:56,677 Are you all right? 247 00:16:56,678 --> 00:16:58,637 I hate these places. 248 00:16:58,638 --> 00:17:02,397 I appreciate that not all will have had chance to read the handouts in any depth, 249 00:17:02,398 --> 00:17:05,317 ladies and gentlemen, so whilst our victim Yasmin 250 00:17:05,318 --> 00:17:08,997 is a main line of inquiry, the nature of the attack, 251 00:17:08,998 --> 00:17:12,198 the fact that it resembles the Leach murders of 13 years ago, 252 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:15,918 have lead us to focus primarily on two main lines of investigation. 253 00:17:16,358 --> 00:17:18,877 People who had access to confidential information 254 00:17:18,878 --> 00:17:20,957 during the original investigation 255 00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:23,477 that's the lawyers, police officers, jury 256 00:17:23,478 --> 00:17:27,157 and people who had access to Leach when he was inside prison. 257 00:17:27,158 --> 00:17:30,157 Of the people we've identified as being most interesting, 258 00:17:30,158 --> 00:17:34,197 perhaps the most significant at this moment is Alastair Jackson. 259 00:17:34,198 --> 00:17:39,437 Now, Jackson is unemployed, misfit, obsessed with Leach. 260 00:17:39,438 --> 00:17:41,677 An apparent supporter of Leach. 261 00:17:41,678 --> 00:17:44,597 He visited him on two occasions inside prison. 262 00:17:44,598 --> 00:17:47,877 His father, oddly enough, is Leach's solicitor, 263 00:17:47,878 --> 00:17:50,957 so Jackson may have had had access to confidential information 264 00:17:50,958 --> 00:17:52,717 right there in his parents home 265 00:17:52,718 --> 00:17:54,797 at the time of the original investigation. 266 00:17:54,798 --> 00:17:59,238 His alibi at the time that Yasmin went missing turned out 267 00:17:59,238 --> 00:18:03,278 to be an elaborate pack of lies... But still no arrest. 268 00:18:04,358 --> 00:18:06,717 DCI Murray came across from the Crime Faculty 269 00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:08,997 to help us with the original investigation 270 00:18:08,998 --> 00:18:12,037 and she has in fact spoken to Leach this very morning 271 00:18:12,038 --> 00:18:14,717 at his request inside Ravenhill Prison. 272 00:18:14,718 --> 00:18:17,757 He himself is pointing the finger at Jackson. 273 00:18:17,758 --> 00:18:21,277 And not just for Yasmin's murder either. Leach is suggesting 274 00:18:21,278 --> 00:18:23,197 that Jackson was responsible 275 00:18:23,198 --> 00:18:25,757 for the murders he was sent down for 13 years ago. 276 00:18:25,758 --> 00:18:27,517 I hope you don't mind me saying, 277 00:18:27,518 --> 00:18:30,717 but if you're seriously considering Alastair Jackson for Yasmin, 278 00:18:30,718 --> 00:18:32,757 we're opening a can of worms, 279 00:18:32,758 --> 00:18:35,237 and one which Leach will exploit to the hilt, 280 00:18:35,238 --> 00:18:38,798 and frankly, in my book, the fact that Leach is pointing the finger 281 00:18:38,798 --> 00:18:41,558 at Jackson is practically grounds to rule him out. 282 00:18:54,638 --> 00:18:56,677 Isn't there like a really screaming flaw 283 00:18:56,678 --> 00:18:58,758 in the whole basis of the investigation? 284 00:18:58,758 --> 00:19:00,758 Is there? 285 00:19:01,718 --> 00:19:04,517 What? Well, their two lines of inquiry 286 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:09,637 and the way that you're talking are based entirely on the assumption 287 00:19:09,638 --> 00:19:12,117 that Leach is guilty of the original crimes. 288 00:19:12,118 --> 00:19:14,518 Thank you. It's not an assumption. 289 00:19:14,518 --> 00:19:16,518 He is guilty. 290 00:19:17,318 --> 00:19:19,357 Yeah. But... 291 00:19:19,358 --> 00:19:21,397 what if he isn't? But, he is. 292 00:19:21,398 --> 00:19:24,717 Yeah, but if he isn't, then the whole thing's skewed. 293 00:19:24,718 --> 00:19:28,037 Rachel Bailey. Gill Murray. We've got reservations. 294 00:19:28,038 --> 00:19:30,637 Yeah, but he is. So it isn't. 295 00:19:30,638 --> 00:19:32,678 Fill these forms out, please. 296 00:19:32,678 --> 00:19:36,558 I feel like... you're not hearing what I'm saying. 297 00:19:37,198 --> 00:19:41,797 You've read your ringbinders. It was Leach's DNA at the scene. 298 00:19:41,798 --> 00:19:46,877 His thumb print on the pendant of Catherine Maloney's necklace, 299 00:19:46,878 --> 00:19:49,078 pressed so hard it was embedded into her skin 300 00:19:49,078 --> 00:19:50,878 and at the time he couldn't account 301 00:19:50,879 --> 00:19:53,717 for how else his dabs could have got on it, even if he came up 302 00:19:53,718 --> 00:19:56,277 with some convoluted rubbish about it afterwards. 303 00:19:56,278 --> 00:20:01,958 Yeah, but... His delivery schedule put him at or near all the murders. 304 00:20:01,958 --> 00:20:04,918 We even had a witness who ID'd him in the area of one of them. 305 00:20:06,478 --> 00:20:08,237 All right, forget it. 306 00:20:08,238 --> 00:20:11,158 Do you think he's a bit too good looking to be a killer? Mm? 307 00:20:11,158 --> 00:20:12,958 Did you ever seen a photo of Ted Bundy? 308 00:20:12,959 --> 00:20:14,998 Think he was a bit too good looking as well 309 00:20:14,998 --> 00:20:16,878 to have raped and murdered 34 women? 310 00:20:16,879 --> 00:20:20,877 I didn't believe him, but I didn't not believe him either. 311 00:20:20,878 --> 00:20:24,277 Rachel! Are you serious? You'd let that man out? 312 00:20:24,278 --> 00:20:26,837 No! No. 313 00:20:26,838 --> 00:20:29,437 Well, yeah, if he's not guilty. 314 00:20:29,438 --> 00:20:31,477 Oh, God. What? 315 00:20:31,478 --> 00:20:33,357 Bandits at two. Julian McAndrew... 316 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:35,597 writes for The Guardian and The New Statesman, 317 00:20:35,598 --> 00:20:38,718 one of Leach's staunchest dickhead supporters. That was quick. 318 00:20:38,718 --> 00:20:40,558 It's volatile, I told you. Don't look. 319 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:43,837 I can almost understand them not getting it, but you? 320 00:20:43,838 --> 00:20:47,677 You used to work in the sex crimes unit. You know rape isn't about sex. 321 00:20:47,678 --> 00:20:51,237 It's about power and control and humiliation. He's a sick fuck, 322 00:20:51,238 --> 00:20:54,677 and he can hide it better than your average herbert because he's clever, 323 00:20:54,678 --> 00:20:58,317 clever enough to make someone like you doubt forensic evidence. 324 00:20:58,318 --> 00:21:03,157 Room 703 and Room 522. Enjoy your stay, ladies. Thank you. 325 00:21:03,158 --> 00:21:06,678 All we have to do, well, all North Avon have to do is find out 326 00:21:06,678 --> 00:21:08,638 who killed Yasmin, and prove it fast, 327 00:21:08,639 --> 00:21:12,597 before people like McAndrew manage to turn it into something it isn't. 328 00:21:12,598 --> 00:21:14,757 We know who killed the others, Rachel, 329 00:21:14,758 --> 00:21:17,757 it was that nice man you spoke to this morning at HMP Ravenhill. 330 00:21:17,758 --> 00:21:19,517 Well, all the same. I think we... 331 00:21:19,518 --> 00:21:22,278 I think they ought to look very closely at Jackson again. 332 00:21:22,278 --> 00:21:26,118 I agree with you cos I think Leach is trying to set Jackson up, which... 333 00:21:27,758 --> 00:21:30,877 means he's involved. It's not just someone who's copying him. 334 00:21:30,878 --> 00:21:32,838 It's someone he's conspired with, 335 00:21:32,838 --> 00:21:35,598 someone he's consciously inculcated with his... 336 00:21:36,438 --> 00:21:39,878 And he's arrogant enough to think he can point us in the wrong direction. 337 00:21:39,878 --> 00:21:44,718 Stick your bag in your room, back here in five minutes, we're going to the incident room. 338 00:21:52,158 --> 00:21:54,197 Ed! 339 00:21:54,198 --> 00:21:56,638 Hello, ma'am. Where's Mr Wallis? 340 00:21:56,638 --> 00:21:58,638 He's driven over to Abbots Leigh. 341 00:22:00,358 --> 00:22:02,718 Another girl's turned up. Same. 342 00:22:04,038 --> 00:22:06,038 Cable ties. 343 00:22:13,858 --> 00:22:15,617 Yeah. It makes sense. 344 00:22:15,618 --> 00:22:18,937 I mean, it was always a possibility of course that Leach was behind 345 00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:22,617 the whole thing, yeah but... does it actually change the investigation? 346 00:22:22,618 --> 00:22:25,938 If we accept that he's pulling the strings? No, of course it doesn't, 347 00:22:25,938 --> 00:22:28,298 but again it points the finger away from Jackson, 348 00:22:28,299 --> 00:22:30,377 given that he was so keen to implicate him. 349 00:22:30,378 --> 00:22:33,737 Look, Gill. I don't want it to be Jackson any more than you do. 350 00:22:33,738 --> 00:22:37,497 I know what kind of unhelpful frenzy this could set off in the media. 351 00:22:37,498 --> 00:22:39,617 But we have got to keep an open mind. 352 00:22:39,618 --> 00:22:43,097 Yeah. Course. But this is someone who is inside with him. 353 00:22:43,098 --> 00:22:45,937 This is not a visitor, certainly not Jackson. 354 00:22:45,938 --> 00:22:47,977 This is someone not unlike himself. 355 00:22:47,978 --> 00:22:50,457 This is someone who is capable of doing that. 356 00:22:50,458 --> 00:22:54,497 Even a copycat killing, you don't go from nought to 90 in 10 seconds. 357 00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:56,337 Jackson's got no criminal record. 358 00:22:56,338 --> 00:22:59,257 You and I both know that whoever did this has got previous. 359 00:22:59,258 --> 00:23:02,658 Jackson hasn't even got a speeding ticket cos he doesn't drive! 360 00:23:02,658 --> 00:23:04,978 So how's he got that body out here? 361 00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:07,818 You're absolutely right. 362 00:23:10,618 --> 00:23:12,377 So what haven't I done, Gill? 363 00:23:12,378 --> 00:23:15,297 Could I ask how you're prioritising interviewing 364 00:23:15,298 --> 00:23:17,937 and eliminating the people Leach has been inside with? 365 00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:20,057 I mean, prisoners not wardens and visitors. 366 00:23:20,058 --> 00:23:22,657 Yeah, well, initially we're looking at people 367 00:23:22,658 --> 00:23:24,657 who he's close to in the last five years, 368 00:23:24,658 --> 00:23:27,537 people he spent time with who were released in the last year. 369 00:23:27,538 --> 00:23:30,577 You should be prioritising your sexually-motivated killers. 370 00:23:30,578 --> 00:23:35,257 Going back the whole 13 years, however brief their exposure to him. Well, that was discussed, but... 371 00:23:35,258 --> 00:23:38,058 I hope you don't mind, but I rang the clinical psychologist 372 00:23:38,058 --> 00:23:40,018 I work with in Manchester... Martin Hines. 373 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,897 He says this could be someone Leach met in the toilets 374 00:23:42,898 --> 00:23:45,258 for five minutes once a week ten years ago. 375 00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:47,698 He'll have avoided being noticed with this person 376 00:23:47,699 --> 00:23:49,817 because he's got too much in common with him. 377 00:23:49,818 --> 00:23:52,137 He's persistently maintained his innocence, 378 00:23:52,138 --> 00:23:54,697 so publicly this person would be anathema to him. 379 00:23:54,698 --> 00:23:58,097 Privately though, this is someone he'll have identified 380 00:23:58,098 --> 00:24:01,937 really quickly, then cultivated, then avoided being seen with. 381 00:24:01,938 --> 00:24:04,497 He'll have promised him something, God knows what, 382 00:24:04,498 --> 00:24:07,417 a spree together if ever he helps him get out, 383 00:24:07,418 --> 00:24:10,337 not money, that wouldn't motivate this sort of sick bugger. 384 00:24:10,338 --> 00:24:12,297 And he's so controlled, Leach, 385 00:24:12,298 --> 00:24:15,257 this could be someone who was released three or four years ago, 386 00:24:15,258 --> 00:24:18,177 waiting for Leach to give him the nod at just the right moment... 387 00:24:18,178 --> 00:24:21,937 With exactly the right victim. Leach knew that Jackson knew Yasmin Heaney. 388 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,257 He mentioned her in the letters that he wrote to Leach, Jackson did, 389 00:24:25,258 --> 00:24:27,297 and she fitted the victim profile. 390 00:24:27,298 --> 00:24:30,057 A couple of the lads did a comprehensive list of everybody 391 00:24:30,058 --> 00:24:33,377 that Leach was exposed to inside prison going back the whole 13 years. 392 00:24:33,378 --> 00:24:36,657 Do you want to have look at it, suggest a new strategy? Sure. 393 00:24:36,658 --> 00:24:38,697 Have you identified her? 394 00:24:38,698 --> 00:24:41,577 There was a 30-year-old woman reported missing 395 00:24:41,578 --> 00:24:44,218 in Bristol last week... Jodie Winterbourne. 396 00:24:44,218 --> 00:24:48,538 30, five foot eight, short dark hair. 397 00:24:50,098 --> 00:24:52,098 She's ticking a lot of boxes. 398 00:24:55,378 --> 00:24:57,417 Dark brown hair, five foot eight. 399 00:24:57,418 --> 00:24:59,297 What about it? 400 00:24:59,298 --> 00:25:02,417 I fit the victim profile, that's why you asked me to interview him. 401 00:25:02,418 --> 00:25:06,057 Yeah. I thought he'd fall for you though, not the other way round. 402 00:25:06,058 --> 00:25:09,937 That's unethical. Sue me. It didn't occur to me in fact. 403 00:25:09,938 --> 00:25:12,097 You were the first Tier 3 I bumped into. 404 00:25:12,098 --> 00:25:14,377 I asked where Janet was, if you remember. 405 00:25:14,378 --> 00:25:16,417 So is this what you used to do? 406 00:25:16,418 --> 00:25:18,857 Drop into other forces, tell 'em what to do? 407 00:25:18,858 --> 00:25:21,617 You don't tell people what to do. You advise them. 408 00:25:21,618 --> 00:25:23,857 I advised on eight jobs in one week once. 409 00:25:23,858 --> 00:25:28,138 What, murders? Yep. Still, it's swings and roundabouts, isn't it? 410 00:25:28,138 --> 00:25:31,138 If I hadn't given it up I'd never have met you and Kevin. 411 00:25:39,818 --> 00:25:42,657 So he's been in four prisons, had 58 cell moves. 412 00:25:42,658 --> 00:25:45,097 That's a total of 3,426 inmates 413 00:25:45,098 --> 00:25:48,817 he's potentially come into contact with over 13 years. 414 00:25:48,818 --> 00:25:52,737 Let's start with a list of those convicted of murder and of rape. 415 00:25:52,738 --> 00:25:54,777 Thank you. OK. 416 00:25:54,778 --> 00:25:57,017 Then a list of those just convicted of murder, 417 00:25:57,018 --> 00:26:00,057 cos how many times have we had someone who's raped and murdered, 418 00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:02,897 but the CPS only push on the murder charge? Tell me about it. 419 00:26:02,898 --> 00:26:06,057 Then, third... a list of those convicted of just rape. 420 00:26:06,058 --> 00:26:09,818 Cool. Yep. Ma'am, is it all right if I... make a call? 421 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:11,818 Yeah. Course. 422 00:26:15,458 --> 00:26:17,778 Dom? Hiya. 423 00:26:17,778 --> 00:26:20,378 Where are you? Your house. 424 00:26:21,218 --> 00:26:24,658 Where have you been? Nowhere just here. 425 00:26:25,738 --> 00:26:28,698 Me and Alison have both been trying to get hold of you. 426 00:26:28,698 --> 00:26:30,698 I know, I'm sorry. 427 00:26:32,378 --> 00:26:34,378 You all right? 428 00:26:35,938 --> 00:26:37,978 Yep. 429 00:26:37,978 --> 00:26:39,978 I've been worried about you. 430 00:26:41,698 --> 00:26:43,737 Sorry. 431 00:26:43,738 --> 00:26:45,777 Are you eating properly? 432 00:26:45,778 --> 00:26:47,818 Yep. 433 00:26:47,818 --> 00:26:49,818 What've you had today? 434 00:26:50,378 --> 00:26:52,378 Toast. 435 00:26:55,498 --> 00:26:57,498 Listen, Dom... 436 00:26:59,498 --> 00:27:01,538 I love you. 437 00:27:01,538 --> 00:27:04,298 I don't want you to be embarrassed about what's happened. 438 00:27:05,978 --> 00:27:09,018 I just want you to move on and get your life back together. 439 00:27:10,098 --> 00:27:12,137 Yeah. 440 00:27:12,138 --> 00:27:15,217 Some of the most horrendous, violent murders 441 00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:17,698 I've ever seen have involved gay men 442 00:27:17,698 --> 00:27:21,218 with other men in exactly that situation like you were in. 443 00:27:23,378 --> 00:27:25,378 I'm sorry if you think... 444 00:27:27,498 --> 00:27:30,418 Look, I wasn't over-reacting. Believe me, I wasn't. 445 00:27:32,578 --> 00:27:34,618 OK. 446 00:27:34,618 --> 00:27:37,018 We'll work everything out, all right? 447 00:27:38,898 --> 00:27:40,898 We will, I promise. 448 00:27:42,538 --> 00:27:44,538 I want you to buy some fresh fruit and veg 449 00:27:44,538 --> 00:27:46,338 with that money I left you, right? 450 00:27:47,938 --> 00:27:51,258 Dom? Yep. Yep. 451 00:27:52,218 --> 00:27:55,658 All right I've got to go, but I'll be back soon. Soon as I can. 452 00:27:56,938 --> 00:27:58,938 Yep. 453 00:28:00,298 --> 00:28:02,578 I'll see you. See you. 454 00:28:19,738 --> 00:28:22,897 42 killers also convicted of rape, now released. 455 00:28:22,898 --> 00:28:26,737 Most of them are elderly, past it. 12 under the age of 60. 456 00:28:26,738 --> 00:28:30,137 The youngest is 38. We need the crime scene photos 457 00:28:30,138 --> 00:28:33,257 of the murders that each of those 12 were originally convicted of. 458 00:28:33,258 --> 00:28:35,817 Yep. And we need to compare them... Ed? 459 00:28:35,818 --> 00:28:39,377 Listening. With the crime scenes from the present two murders... 460 00:28:39,378 --> 00:28:42,057 Yasmin's and this latest one Jodie if it is Jodie... 461 00:28:42,058 --> 00:28:45,617 Yep... starting with those who now live geographically closest 462 00:28:45,618 --> 00:28:48,777 because every one of these twisted sods should be out on a license. 463 00:28:48,778 --> 00:28:53,497 They'll have a parole officer to report to, so chances are it's not someone who's in Edinburgh. Yep. 464 00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:56,497 There's another thing I want you to do. I want you to compare 465 00:28:56,498 --> 00:28:59,777 the photos of Yasmin's murder and Jodie's murder with each other 466 00:28:59,778 --> 00:29:02,858 and then compare those with the four Leach was convicted of. 467 00:29:02,858 --> 00:29:05,258 And this time I want you to look at the differences 468 00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:07,057 as well as the similarities. 469 00:29:07,058 --> 00:29:09,777 I think they've focused on the similarities too much. 470 00:29:09,778 --> 00:29:12,697 I want you to look at what this new bloke's brought to the party 471 00:29:12,698 --> 00:29:14,778 that's nothing to do with Leach's MO. 472 00:29:14,778 --> 00:29:17,258 Something all of his own from his previous offences 473 00:29:17,259 --> 00:29:21,578 that's seeped through, something he's probably not aware of himself. Right. 474 00:29:53,058 --> 00:29:54,858 You've got four men in your force area 475 00:29:54,859 --> 00:29:56,977 who could be the person we're looking for. 476 00:29:56,978 --> 00:30:00,617 Three of them are registered with their probation officers here in Bristol, 477 00:30:00,618 --> 00:30:03,937 but there's another one, a fella called Philip Martin Hibbert... 478 00:30:03,938 --> 00:30:07,177 Er, who's registered at an address in Yeovil. 479 00:30:07,178 --> 00:30:10,937 He murdered two women 15 years ago, raped 'em as well, 480 00:30:10,938 --> 00:30:14,177 but he was never charged with that. He was released 18 months since. 481 00:30:14,178 --> 00:30:16,337 The other three are John James Wilkes, 482 00:30:16,338 --> 00:30:18,537 registered at an address in St Paul's, 483 00:30:18,538 --> 00:30:21,857 sexually assaulted three women in Lincolnshire, none of whom died. 484 00:30:21,858 --> 00:30:24,457 But one of whom the police believed he'd left for dead, 485 00:30:24,458 --> 00:30:27,017 so it was an attempted murder rather than a murder. 486 00:30:27,018 --> 00:30:30,057 He was released four years ago, originally sent down in 1997. 487 00:30:30,058 --> 00:30:34,337 Hassan Abuzein, registered an address Knowle West, sent down 1995, 488 00:30:34,338 --> 00:30:37,177 raped and murdered his niece in Southall, London. 489 00:30:37,178 --> 00:30:39,457 Released from Ravenhill six months ago. 490 00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:42,617 Ashley Robert Boyall, ex-army, registered address Easton, 491 00:30:42,618 --> 00:30:44,417 released two-and-a-half years ago. 492 00:30:44,418 --> 00:30:46,657 Served 15 years for murdering two sex workers. 493 00:30:46,658 --> 00:30:48,617 That was in... Kettering. 494 00:30:48,618 --> 00:30:50,377 We can widen the net obviously 495 00:30:50,378 --> 00:30:52,617 if this doesn't give us what we're looking for. 496 00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:54,737 But I asked Rachel to look at the differences 497 00:30:54,738 --> 00:30:57,617 between Leach's original crime scenes and the present ones 498 00:30:57,618 --> 00:31:00,377 to see if there was any seepage, things that didn't fit in 499 00:31:00,378 --> 00:31:03,257 with Leach, but which did correspond to the MO of these men. 500 00:31:03,258 --> 00:31:05,537 We think this one, the first one, Hibbert, 501 00:31:05,538 --> 00:31:07,577 could be the man you're looking for. 502 00:31:07,578 --> 00:31:12,018 Show him. Well, that's Yasmin Heaney and that's Jodie, last night, yeah? 503 00:31:12,018 --> 00:31:15,898 That's Heather Price and that's Jane Reid, Hibbert's victims. 504 00:31:21,218 --> 00:31:23,377 He dragged them all there by their arms. 505 00:31:23,378 --> 00:31:26,297 Which suggests they were already dead when he took 'em there. 506 00:31:26,298 --> 00:31:28,978 Leach didn't do that, he killed his victims at the scene. 507 00:31:28,978 --> 00:31:31,338 There are a few more details pointing at Hibbert, 508 00:31:31,339 --> 00:31:34,018 - which we can go through if you like. - Sorry. 509 00:31:34,018 --> 00:31:37,658 Hello. Rick Wallis. Yep. 510 00:31:39,618 --> 00:31:42,658 OK, thank you. Thank you. Bye now. Bye. 511 00:31:42,658 --> 00:31:44,658 That was the lab. 512 00:31:47,218 --> 00:31:50,098 Alastair Jackson's DNA on a cigarette butt we found 513 00:31:50,098 --> 00:31:52,098 at last night's crime scene. 514 00:31:56,047 --> 00:31:59,086 I'm just asking before you race in and make an arrest which, 515 00:31:59,087 --> 00:32:02,007 if you believe that's the right thing to do, that's your call. 516 00:32:02,007 --> 00:32:03,767 But I'm asking you to consider this... 517 00:32:03,768 --> 00:32:06,966 we've been working on the theory that Leach is setting Jackson up, 518 00:32:06,967 --> 00:32:10,086 working with an accomplice, who is capable of rape and murder. 519 00:32:10,087 --> 00:32:14,646 I'm pretty certain that same person would be more than capable of planting a fag butt too. 520 00:32:14,647 --> 00:32:18,286 I suggest that someone in Jackson's orbit has watched him smoke a fag 521 00:32:18,287 --> 00:32:20,526 then picked it up when he's stubbed it out. 522 00:32:20,527 --> 00:32:22,566 Who does he hang around with? 523 00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:28,086 Jackson? No-one. I told you, he's an oddity, he's a loner. 524 00:32:28,087 --> 00:32:30,926 Someone, anyone. Where does he go, what does he do? 525 00:32:30,927 --> 00:32:34,166 We know he liked going in the library where Yasmin worked. 526 00:32:34,167 --> 00:32:37,566 Well, the only thing was the man who wasn't there. 527 00:32:37,567 --> 00:32:39,606 Who? The man who doesn't exist. 528 00:32:39,607 --> 00:32:42,286 Who? Dunno. He didn't exist. 529 00:32:42,287 --> 00:32:46,247 Yeah. Jackson's alibi. He said that when Yasmin was being attacked, 530 00:32:46,247 --> 00:32:48,167 he was with some fella called Tim Smith 531 00:32:48,168 --> 00:32:51,006 who he said worked for Burton's builders' supplies 532 00:32:51,007 --> 00:32:53,726 on St Bude's Road, and who lived in a flat in Frome, 533 00:32:53,727 --> 00:32:57,126 and who he said he got very drunk with on the night in question. 534 00:32:57,127 --> 00:33:00,966 So drunk in fact, that he could remember almost nothing the next day. 535 00:33:00,967 --> 00:33:03,806 We had it checked out. We checked it out thoroughly, 536 00:33:03,807 --> 00:33:06,366 I mean we checked every Tim Smith in our force area, 537 00:33:06,367 --> 00:33:08,966 and in the surrounding four force areas, and nothing. 538 00:33:08,967 --> 00:33:11,926 So where did Jackson go to with this Tim Smith to get drunk then? 539 00:33:11,927 --> 00:33:14,046 He said they drank at home, Jackson's home. 540 00:33:14,047 --> 00:33:17,326 There were no witnesses so no-one's seen or heard of this Tim Smith. 541 00:33:17,327 --> 00:33:23,167 He did invent it, so it makes you wonder why would you make something up if you've got nothing to hide? 542 00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:25,007 But you don't think he was off his face. 543 00:33:25,008 --> 00:33:27,127 The whole thing is a crap attempt at an alibi? 544 00:33:27,127 --> 00:33:28,885 That's what we were left with, yeah. 545 00:33:28,886 --> 00:33:31,327 What else did he say about the man who doesn't exist? 546 00:33:31,328 --> 00:33:33,766 How recently had he got to know him? Recent. 547 00:33:33,767 --> 00:33:37,846 Well, what if Tim Smith does exist? Only he's not called Tim Smith. 548 00:33:37,847 --> 00:33:40,806 And he sat with Jackson, let him drink himself stupid 549 00:33:40,807 --> 00:33:44,086 and... left him rat-arsed, 550 00:33:44,087 --> 00:33:47,206 incapable, alone, and then he went off and committed the murder. 551 00:33:47,207 --> 00:33:50,447 So how about sticking Hibbert in a pre-arrest vim's ID parade 552 00:33:50,447 --> 00:33:53,687 and seeing if Jackson recognises Hibbert but as Tim Smith. 553 00:33:55,687 --> 00:33:58,407 Is it all right if I call you Alastair, Mr Jackson? 554 00:34:00,207 --> 00:34:03,287 You can call me what you like. You probably will anyway. 555 00:34:03,287 --> 00:34:05,207 We just wanted to have a little bit 556 00:34:05,208 --> 00:34:07,247 of a talk with you about your friend. 557 00:34:07,247 --> 00:34:09,967 The one you told us about... Tim Smith. 558 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,047 Have you seen him at all recently? 559 00:34:13,047 --> 00:34:15,047 No. 560 00:34:17,207 --> 00:34:19,486 What we were wondering, Alastair, is... 561 00:34:19,487 --> 00:34:22,766 do you think if we showed you some photographs 562 00:34:22,767 --> 00:34:25,007 that you might be able to recognise him? 563 00:34:25,007 --> 00:34:27,007 Yes, I imagine so. 564 00:34:30,047 --> 00:34:32,086 Why? Have you found him? 565 00:34:32,087 --> 00:34:34,126 We think we might be getting close. 566 00:34:34,127 --> 00:34:38,206 OK, I'm just going to ask you a few questions. 567 00:34:38,207 --> 00:34:40,326 First question might seem a bit odd 568 00:34:40,327 --> 00:34:43,086 but I will explain to you at the end why I'm asking. 569 00:34:43,087 --> 00:34:48,607 You told us that you and Mr Smith went back to your house 570 00:34:48,607 --> 00:34:53,687 and had a few drinks. I thought you didn't believe me. About Tim Smith. 571 00:34:55,207 --> 00:34:57,847 You said he stayed a while, chatting. 572 00:34:59,567 --> 00:35:01,926 Yes. He did. 573 00:35:01,927 --> 00:35:05,126 Now, I know you told us you don't remember much 574 00:35:05,127 --> 00:35:07,727 about what happened later. 575 00:35:07,727 --> 00:35:12,807 But if we were to come round to your house with you... 576 00:35:14,167 --> 00:35:16,927 do you think you might be able to point to anything 577 00:35:16,927 --> 00:35:19,167 he might have touched while he was there? 578 00:35:20,487 --> 00:35:23,327 He went through some of my CDs. Is that any good? 579 00:35:25,447 --> 00:35:28,006 Yes, I think that would be spot on. 580 00:35:28,007 --> 00:35:30,006 You see if we can get his fingerprints... 581 00:35:30,007 --> 00:35:31,766 In fact the glass he drank out of 582 00:35:31,767 --> 00:35:34,126 is probably still on the floor somewhere. 583 00:35:34,127 --> 00:35:36,167 Nice. 584 00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:38,887 And are you anywhere nearer catching the killer? 585 00:35:40,287 --> 00:35:45,087 Because you know what's being said, don't you? In the press. 586 00:35:46,407 --> 00:35:49,166 That whoever is murdering these women 587 00:35:49,167 --> 00:35:52,006 could've been the killer 13 years ago. 588 00:35:52,007 --> 00:35:54,206 My father and I have been saying for years 589 00:35:54,207 --> 00:35:56,286 that Jeremy Leach is an innocent man. 590 00:35:56,287 --> 00:35:58,887 And he's been talking so highly of you, pal. 591 00:35:58,887 --> 00:36:01,687 Would you like to come this way please, Mr Jackson? 592 00:36:04,927 --> 00:36:07,327 Hello. Rick Wallis. 593 00:36:07,327 --> 00:36:09,727 Yep. He's identified Him. 594 00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:14,447 Jackson's identified Hibbert! Let's pick him up! 595 00:36:15,767 --> 00:36:18,967 Well done. You stick with me kid, I'll get you into a fight. 596 00:36:32,447 --> 00:36:34,447 Yeah, hold on! 597 00:36:39,367 --> 00:36:41,367 Fuck. 598 00:36:42,207 --> 00:36:44,647 Hello. I fell asleep. 599 00:36:44,647 --> 00:36:46,967 You did right. Can I come in? 600 00:36:48,367 --> 00:36:51,327 Er... yeah, I was just packing. 601 00:36:53,607 --> 00:36:57,447 I've just had a phone call. It's bad news. 602 00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:00,607 Our Dom. Who's Dom? 603 00:37:01,807 --> 00:37:03,847 No, not Dom. 604 00:37:03,847 --> 00:37:06,687 I had a phone call from the CPS in Manchester. 605 00:37:08,167 --> 00:37:11,967 They're dropping the attempted murder charge against Nick Savage. 606 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,487 I know. I know. It's... 607 00:37:15,487 --> 00:37:18,407 Unbelievable doesn't even start to cover it. 608 00:37:19,767 --> 00:37:22,247 Well, so what are they charging him with? Nothing. 609 00:37:22,248 --> 00:37:24,966 They're saying there's no evidence. 610 00:37:24,967 --> 00:37:28,126 They're saying legally there isn't a case. 611 00:37:28,127 --> 00:37:31,086 So he's gonna walk? Well, he'll never work as a barrister again 612 00:37:31,087 --> 00:37:33,286 because of his relationship with that juror, 613 00:37:33,287 --> 00:37:36,126 and I'm assuming his marriage is stuffed, but yes, 614 00:37:36,127 --> 00:37:38,726 that's the upshot at the minute. He knows where I live. 615 00:37:38,727 --> 00:37:41,727 I'd be very surprised if he tried anything like that again. 616 00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:44,047 He's got keys to my flat. Change the locks. 617 00:37:44,927 --> 00:37:46,967 Are you all right? 618 00:37:46,967 --> 00:37:48,967 Stupid question. 619 00:37:51,247 --> 00:37:53,247 Do you want the less bad news? 620 00:37:54,847 --> 00:37:57,886 I don't know. Do I? 621 00:37:57,887 --> 00:38:02,206 They picked Hibbert up. Two hours ago. They found his phone, 622 00:38:02,207 --> 00:38:05,326 they found a few other things that could link him to Leach. 623 00:38:05,327 --> 00:38:10,126 Anyway, he's confessed, he's confessing. He's talking right now, 624 00:38:10,127 --> 00:38:13,246 mostly about Leach about how Leach coached him, 625 00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:15,086 the things he told him he'd done. 626 00:38:15,087 --> 00:38:18,206 The point is. Rick Wallis wants us to talk to Leach again 627 00:38:18,207 --> 00:38:21,566 to put it to him that Hibbert's making these allegations. 628 00:38:21,567 --> 00:38:24,286 They've only got us for another 24 hours. I said we would. 629 00:38:24,287 --> 00:38:26,047 What do you think? 630 00:38:26,047 --> 00:38:28,047 Yeah. 631 00:38:29,887 --> 00:38:31,927 Dom's my brother, by the way. 632 00:38:31,927 --> 00:38:35,247 He was at my birthday thing. He probably didn't speak to you. 633 00:38:38,007 --> 00:38:40,767 I was thinking about that pig... Savage. 634 00:38:42,087 --> 00:38:44,166 You wouldn't really want endless details 635 00:38:44,167 --> 00:38:47,286 about your private life dragged through the court, would you? 636 00:38:47,287 --> 00:38:50,247 Cos you know damned well that's what'd happen, 637 00:38:50,247 --> 00:38:53,007 if the CPS had pressed charges against him. 638 00:38:53,807 --> 00:38:58,087 You know what I really can't get over is that I trusted him. 639 00:38:59,327 --> 00:39:02,487 I loved him. I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. 640 00:39:02,487 --> 00:39:07,287 Yeah. Well. Some people are very plausible, aren't they? 641 00:39:08,527 --> 00:39:11,407 Yeah but how do you know? How can you see through 'em? 642 00:39:11,407 --> 00:39:13,887 Like this Leach bastard. 643 00:39:15,527 --> 00:39:18,487 I did, I fell for it. You can't always. 644 00:39:19,967 --> 00:39:21,967 Look at the bugger I married. 645 00:39:24,127 --> 00:39:27,126 It's not just instinct. It's experience. 646 00:39:27,127 --> 00:39:31,566 I think a large part of instinct is experience. 647 00:39:31,567 --> 00:39:33,686 So, you know, 648 00:39:33,687 --> 00:39:37,166 I don't think we should give up on your rosy future just yet. 649 00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:39,926 Well, I sometimes think I'm shit at this job. 650 00:39:39,927 --> 00:39:42,127 Hey! If you're fishing for compliments lady, 651 00:39:42,127 --> 00:39:44,847 you're talking to the wrong small-minded bitch. 652 00:39:46,767 --> 00:39:48,767 Why didn't I know you had a brother? 653 00:39:50,927 --> 00:39:52,886 Because he's a bit of black sheep 654 00:39:52,887 --> 00:39:55,446 in a family of black sheep so that's going some. 655 00:39:55,447 --> 00:39:57,486 What's he done? 656 00:39:57,487 --> 00:39:59,527 Dom... 657 00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:01,527 What hadn't he done? 658 00:40:02,887 --> 00:40:04,927 No, he's just staying with me at the minute 659 00:40:04,927 --> 00:40:06,687 because he's a bit down on his luck 660 00:40:06,688 --> 00:40:08,887 and because he's got nowhere else to go. 661 00:40:17,727 --> 00:40:19,807 Have you arrested Alastair Jackson? 662 00:40:19,807 --> 00:40:21,807 No, Mr Leach. We haven't. 663 00:40:23,127 --> 00:40:25,606 We charged a man called Philip Martin Hibbert 664 00:40:25,607 --> 00:40:29,446 with the murders of Yasmin Heaney and Jodie Winterbourne. Do you know him? 665 00:40:29,447 --> 00:40:34,126 Phillip Martin Hibbert? Yes, yes. He... was in Durham 666 00:40:34,127 --> 00:40:36,806 at the same time I was, on the same wing, briefly. Why? 667 00:40:36,807 --> 00:40:40,446 Could you describe the sort of contact you had with him in Durham? 668 00:40:40,447 --> 00:40:43,766 None. And have you had any contact with him since he was released? 669 00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:45,806 Well, no, of course not. Why would I? 670 00:40:45,807 --> 00:40:50,286 Hibbert is telling us that you and he became very close in Durham. 671 00:40:50,287 --> 00:40:52,726 Well, that's not true. 672 00:40:52,727 --> 00:40:55,846 That you had an understanding, an agreement. 673 00:40:55,847 --> 00:40:57,886 Huh! 674 00:40:57,887 --> 00:41:00,486 Hibbert was an odd, unpleasant kind of... 675 00:41:00,487 --> 00:41:03,686 just not the sort of person I would associate with. 676 00:41:03,687 --> 00:41:05,727 That's not what he says. 677 00:41:05,727 --> 00:41:11,487 If he's implying anything about me, then he's... he's delusional. 678 00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:24,086 Do you know when Janet got stabbed? 679 00:41:24,087 --> 00:41:26,126 Mm. 680 00:41:26,127 --> 00:41:28,407 I fell apart. You didn't. 681 00:41:28,407 --> 00:41:32,527 I just stood there shaking, babbling. 682 00:41:33,927 --> 00:41:35,686 I'd only known her for 12 months. 683 00:41:35,687 --> 00:41:37,926 You'd known her nearly 20 years, yet... 684 00:41:37,927 --> 00:41:40,327 it was me that was falling to bits. 685 00:41:40,327 --> 00:41:43,367 If I hadn't been there you'd have done everything I did. 686 00:41:45,087 --> 00:41:49,487 You had the luxury of falling apart because you knew I wouldn't. 687 00:41:50,087 --> 00:41:52,527 You'd have coped, if you'd had to. 688 00:41:54,367 --> 00:41:56,566 I went home and cried my eyes out, 689 00:41:56,567 --> 00:42:00,526 but there was no way I was gonna do that there then in front of you lot. 690 00:42:00,527 --> 00:42:05,326 Plus. I remember thinking, if this is the last thing I ever do 691 00:42:05,327 --> 00:42:09,086 for Janet, and I hope to God it isn't, I'm going to do it properly. 692 00:42:09,087 --> 00:42:12,126 That's where your head would've been if it'd had to be. 693 00:42:12,127 --> 00:42:15,287 And the fact that you beat yourself up about stuff so much 694 00:42:15,287 --> 00:42:19,527 tells me how keen you are to learn and get things right. 695 00:42:20,167 --> 00:42:24,927 You're good. And one day, you'll be very good. All right? 696 00:42:27,527 --> 00:42:29,887 I made a really bad decision once. 697 00:42:32,767 --> 00:42:34,767 What? 698 00:42:35,527 --> 00:42:37,527 It was when Sammy was four. 699 00:42:39,207 --> 00:42:42,087 I realised way back then that Dave was mucking about 700 00:42:42,087 --> 00:42:44,087 with another woman and I... 701 00:42:46,527 --> 00:42:48,527 buried my head in the sand. 702 00:42:49,967 --> 00:42:53,447 I was in love with the man I wanted him to be 703 00:42:53,447 --> 00:42:57,087 not the man he clearly was, and I ignored it. 704 00:42:58,247 --> 00:43:01,806 For ten years. Pretended it wasn't happening. 705 00:43:01,807 --> 00:43:06,646 And if I'd had the guts to deal with it then instead of later 706 00:43:06,647 --> 00:43:09,566 when I had to, when he went off with... 707 00:43:09,567 --> 00:43:12,446 Everything would've been so much better for Sammy, 708 00:43:12,447 --> 00:43:15,487 but for me as well because I'd have got myself organised 709 00:43:15,487 --> 00:43:18,087 so I didn't have to stop working at the Faculty. 710 00:43:19,167 --> 00:43:21,326 I was good at that job, Rachel, I loved it. 711 00:43:21,327 --> 00:43:23,847 I know I was born for it, and... 712 00:43:23,847 --> 00:43:27,687 I'd almost forgotten how much till these last few days. 713 00:43:31,767 --> 00:43:33,967 I'd forgotten how alive it made me feel. 714 00:43:51,887 --> 00:43:54,407 Have you heard the news? Very pretty. 715 00:43:56,127 --> 00:43:58,846 So don't you think that is like a confession? 716 00:43:58,847 --> 00:44:03,126 Not exactly. Someone like Leach, 717 00:44:03,127 --> 00:44:06,846 a control freak, being in prison's agony. 718 00:44:06,847 --> 00:44:08,967 For all the usual reasons, but on top of that, 719 00:44:08,967 --> 00:44:10,765 you've got no control over anything. 720 00:44:10,766 --> 00:44:12,607 What time you eat, what time you sleep, 721 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:14,406 when you speak to other people. 722 00:44:14,407 --> 00:44:18,486 He's done that because death is the only bit of control he had left. 723 00:44:18,487 --> 00:44:21,487 After we took away his little carefully-planned pipe dream, 724 00:44:21,487 --> 00:44:24,607 that's all. But, you know, who cares? 725 00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:28,767 Well done. 726 00:44:39,127 --> 00:44:40,886 Is everything OK? 727 00:44:40,887 --> 00:44:44,886 Ma'am, is it alright if me and Kev get off? Yes! Go! Good luck! Sergeants exam. 728 00:44:44,887 --> 00:44:47,127 We will continue to work round the clock 729 00:44:47,127 --> 00:44:49,127 until Dylan is brought home to Dawn. 730 00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:51,526 What? My brother's in hospital. 731 00:44:51,527 --> 00:44:54,046 He's been involved in some sort of traffic accident. 732 00:44:54,047 --> 00:44:56,326 I'm taking you. You're not missing it cos of me! 733 00:44:56,327 --> 00:44:59,206 So you'll be working with your ex-husband. 734 00:44:59,207 --> 00:45:01,766 I assume you haven't got a problem with that? No, Sir. 735 00:45:01,767 --> 00:45:03,807 More flowers? 736 00:45:03,807 --> 00:45:05,807 Who they from this time? Same. 737 00:45:08,624 --> 00:45:40,501 Subtitles by MemoryOnSmells http://UKsubtitles.ru 62505

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