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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,976 --> 00:00:22,805 [paparazzi shouting] 4 00:00:22,935 --> 00:00:28,158 She is arguably the most talked about woman on the planet. 5 00:00:28,289 --> 00:00:31,727 With over 300 million albums sold worldwide, 6 00:00:31,857 --> 00:00:36,427 she is now, quite simply, the top-selling artist of all time. 7 00:00:36,558 --> 00:00:41,258 Every female pop star that has come out, they're always hailed as "the next Madonna." 8 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:45,132 Her raunchy image and catchy pop lyrics 9 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:48,091 have captivated fans for nearly 30 years. 10 00:00:48,222 --> 00:00:49,919 That was the game changer. 11 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:53,009 That was when people were like, "Oh, my God, who is this girl? 12 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:55,751 She is going to be the biggest star on the planet." 13 00:00:55,881 --> 00:00:57,666 And her controversial personal life 14 00:00:57,796 --> 00:01:00,756 continues to make headlines all around the world. 15 00:01:00,886 --> 00:01:02,888 [reporter] Can you tell us why you're adopting again, Madonna? 16 00:01:03,019 --> 00:01:04,325 No. 17 00:01:04,455 --> 00:01:07,371 Today, she is one of entertainment's 18 00:01:07,502 --> 00:01:08,764 wealthiest women. 19 00:01:08,894 --> 00:01:12,202 Her ambition apparently knows no bounds. 20 00:01:12,333 --> 00:01:15,031 She is the master of reinvention, 21 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:17,207 a true Renaissance woman. 22 00:01:17,338 --> 00:01:19,209 Not content with just singing, 23 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:22,647 she is also a writer, dancer, producer, 24 00:01:22,778 --> 00:01:24,954 director, actor, 25 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:28,218 and businesswoman extraordinaire. 26 00:01:28,349 --> 00:01:30,090 She went after everything she ever wanted. 27 00:01:31,656 --> 00:01:34,398 She is the one and only... 28 00:01:34,529 --> 00:01:35,791 Madonna. 29 00:01:39,882 --> 00:01:41,231 [paparazzi shouting] 30 00:01:41,362 --> 00:01:44,060 Right in front of you, please. Right in front of you. Right here. 31 00:01:54,331 --> 00:01:57,029 Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,293 was born into a large immigrant family 33 00:01:59,423 --> 00:02:03,993 on August 16, 1958, near Detroit. 34 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:06,387 Her father, Tony, was of Italian descent, 35 00:02:06,517 --> 00:02:08,780 and her mother, also called Madonna, 36 00:02:08,911 --> 00:02:10,391 was French Canadian. 37 00:02:10,521 --> 00:02:12,828 Both were devout Catholics. 38 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:15,004 [Weiss] They grew up at a time when Michigan was-- 39 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:16,788 before it hit the economic skids. 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,095 She grew up in a relatively affluent household. 41 00:02:19,226 --> 00:02:22,054 She identified really early on with black culture. 42 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:24,231 She would love dancing to The Temptations 43 00:02:24,361 --> 00:02:26,494 and would dance with the little girls in her neighborhood, 44 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:29,714 and she'd tell stories that they would beat her and beat her and beat her, 45 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:32,587 but all she wanted to do was dance with them, and eventually they were like, 46 00:02:32,717 --> 00:02:34,458 "All right, you can do it." 47 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:37,069 And that's obviously a theme of persistence that-- 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,464 I think the one thing that no one can take away from Madonna, 49 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:44,294 no matter how much you dislike her music, is you kind of have to respect her ambition. 50 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:47,123 [Parker] She was one of six children, she was the third of six, 51 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:50,039 which is interesting, because if you believe in anything about birth order, 52 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,694 usually you think it's the oldest ones who are the high achievers. 53 00:02:52,824 --> 00:02:55,697 But she was a middle child, and maybe that had something to do with 54 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:59,179 why she was such an extrovert and she sort of had to fight to get attention. 55 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:03,095 [Pearson] The kind of Catholic upbringing she had 56 00:03:03,226 --> 00:03:06,534 meant that it was rather strict with very enforced parameters, 57 00:03:06,664 --> 00:03:10,886 and there was a lot of religious symbolism in her life. 58 00:03:11,016 --> 00:03:13,454 Madonna said she grew up surrounded by nuns and priests 59 00:03:13,584 --> 00:03:16,108 who were always over at the house, 60 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:18,546 And, of course, we see the influences of that later on in her career. 61 00:03:20,243 --> 00:03:22,419 [Cohen] Religion was never too far away 62 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:27,119 from her image, from her lyrical themes, 63 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:29,252 and from her videos as well. 64 00:03:29,383 --> 00:03:31,863 It got her in a lot of trouble, too. 65 00:03:31,994 --> 00:03:33,952 [Parker] There's a lot of Catholic imagery 66 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:36,738 that showed up in very subversive ways in her later work, 67 00:03:36,868 --> 00:03:39,262 particularly and most famously the "Like A Prayer" video 68 00:03:39,393 --> 00:03:41,786 that ended up almost getting banned 69 00:03:41,917 --> 00:03:47,705 and resulted in a controversial fallout with her Pepsi deal. 70 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:52,797 ♪ When you call my name it's like a little prayer ♪ 71 00:03:52,928 --> 00:03:57,149 ♪ I'm down on my knees I wanna take you there ♪ 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,022 That video was full of all sorts of Catholic imagery. 73 00:04:00,152 --> 00:04:03,721 She's making out with a black Jesus statue come to life, there's burning crosses, 74 00:04:03,852 --> 00:04:07,812 and in her fashion as well, like the crucifixes she'd wear. 75 00:04:07,943 --> 00:04:12,948 You know, she definitely was kind of like the bad Catholic girl. 76 00:04:13,078 --> 00:04:15,342 [Weiss] To have that kind of schism that young, 77 00:04:15,472 --> 00:04:18,693 where you all of a sudden are forced to question and stop believing, 78 00:04:18,823 --> 00:04:20,738 and that's one of the themes that runs through her music. 79 00:04:20,869 --> 00:04:23,741 "Do you believe or not believe? Are you a virgin or a whore?" 80 00:04:23,872 --> 00:04:26,222 What's right, you know, and what's bullshit? 81 00:04:30,705 --> 00:04:33,795 Then in 1963, when she was only five years old, 82 00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:35,971 came the devastating news that would have 83 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:39,279 an irrevocable impact upon the rest of her life. 84 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:41,324 Her 30-year-old mother Madonna 85 00:04:41,455 --> 00:04:44,153 was diagnosed with breast cancer. 86 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:46,851 [Weiss] Her mother had worked as an X-ray technician. 87 00:04:46,982 --> 00:04:50,202 It was at a time where they didn't really have lead aprons, 88 00:04:50,333 --> 00:04:52,379 making it so you'd block the radiation. 89 00:04:52,509 --> 00:04:57,209 She'd developed breast cancer while she was pregnant with Madonna's younger sister. 90 00:04:57,340 --> 00:05:01,823 [Pearson] By the time she start treatment, it was really too late. 91 00:05:01,953 --> 00:05:04,652 The death of Madonna's mother, she has said over and over again, 92 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:08,220 was kind of a very pivotal point in her life. 93 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:10,571 Everything changed from that point on. 94 00:05:10,701 --> 00:05:13,574 Her father pretty quickly remarried. 95 00:05:13,704 --> 00:05:16,054 A woman who'd actually been their housecleaner. 96 00:05:16,185 --> 00:05:20,450 A woman that Madonna detested and fought with throughout her childhood. 97 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:24,193 I think Madonna's rebellious nature really began from that point. 98 00:05:27,762 --> 00:05:29,633 By the time she was an adolescent, 99 00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:33,071 Madonna's subversive attitude started to shine through. 100 00:05:33,202 --> 00:05:35,160 It was an attitude which would emerge time and time again 101 00:05:35,291 --> 00:05:37,119 in her music. 102 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,817 [Parker] What's interesting is probably a lot of people would be surprised 103 00:05:39,948 --> 00:05:42,864 to find out that Madonna was actually an "A" student. 104 00:05:42,994 --> 00:05:46,868 Because she has this rebellious side and obviously what she went into, 105 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:50,828 people probably thought she was someone who was always cutting class and was sort of a truant, 106 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:54,136 Rizzo from Greasetype of girl. 107 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:57,052 [Weiss] They say that she wasn't the most charismatic person in the world, 108 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:59,228 which is weird because you see Madonna now 109 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:02,623 and you think of her as poised and confident and she knows what she wants. 110 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:04,712 When you're a teenager, it's not necessarily like that, 111 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:07,541 and all the things that people would say about her were-- 112 00:06:07,671 --> 00:06:09,891 She was a dancer, she got straight A's, 113 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:12,067 she went from a cheerleader to dance team, 114 00:06:12,197 --> 00:06:14,286 but no one ever pegged her for stardom. 115 00:06:17,768 --> 00:06:20,728 By 1977, Madonna had made it clear 116 00:06:20,858 --> 00:06:23,295 that she couldn't wait to get out of Michigan. 117 00:06:23,426 --> 00:06:26,777 New York, the mecca of art and culture beckoned, 118 00:06:26,908 --> 00:06:30,302 and it wasn't long before she got the opportunity to move there 119 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:34,742 on a six-week scholarship to the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater. 120 00:06:34,872 --> 00:06:36,744 [Weiss] She knew that she had to be in New York. 121 00:06:36,874 --> 00:06:38,310 It was the year The Ramones are coming out. 122 00:06:38,441 --> 00:06:40,878 The following year in England The Sex Pistols blow up, 123 00:06:41,009 --> 00:06:42,227 and everyone knows about that. 124 00:06:42,358 --> 00:06:45,230 And then you have The Ramones, you have the Talking Heads, 125 00:06:45,361 --> 00:06:47,885 you have Blondie, you have all these bands at CBGB's in New York. 126 00:06:48,016 --> 00:06:50,366 It's this mecca. It's cheap, it's grungy. 127 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:56,198 [Cohen] She got started the way a lot of, unfortunately, young women 128 00:06:56,328 --> 00:06:57,591 had to get started, 129 00:06:57,721 --> 00:07:00,855 which was, you know, to maybe do some, you know, 130 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:03,901 photography she may not have been proud of, 131 00:07:04,032 --> 00:07:06,991 to do some dancing that she might not have been proud of, 132 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:10,125 just really ingratiating herself in the disco and dance scenes 133 00:07:10,255 --> 00:07:11,561 in New York City. 134 00:07:17,175 --> 00:07:20,744 By 1979, Madonna was dating Dan Gilroy 135 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:23,355 from the pop punk band Breakfast Club, 136 00:07:23,486 --> 00:07:28,012 and not surprisingly, it wasn't long before she joined the group. 137 00:07:28,143 --> 00:07:31,799 [Cohen] It's pretty amazing to think, just knowing what we know about Madonna, 138 00:07:31,929 --> 00:07:37,631 that she actually played drums and guitar in that band. 139 00:07:37,761 --> 00:07:40,547 They may have been lovers, but Gilroy didn't pull any punches 140 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:42,374 when it came to Madonna. 141 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:44,594 [Weiss] There's a famous quote where he goes to her, 142 00:07:44,725 --> 00:07:47,771 "You're all naked ambition and no talent." 143 00:07:47,902 --> 00:07:50,252 And it goes, again, back to Andy Warhol. 144 00:07:50,382 --> 00:07:53,821 He was talented, but no one's gonna be like, "Andy Warhol's a great painter." 145 00:07:53,951 --> 00:07:56,737 But he had big ideas, and he knew how to wrap them in a pop format, 146 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:58,695 and Madonna had the same thing. 147 00:08:01,263 --> 00:08:04,396 [Parker] But eventually she decided to go out on her own 148 00:08:04,527 --> 00:08:07,574 and move away from the rock and punk thing she was doing 149 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:10,359 as a sort of, like, you know, New York punk person, 150 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,187 and go into dance music. 151 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:14,015 And she connected with Stephen Bray, 152 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:17,409 who was a fellow student of hers at University of Michigan, 153 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:19,368 and they went on to do a million hits. 154 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:23,241 Her big hits like "Into the Groove" and "Express Yourself," you know. 155 00:08:23,372 --> 00:08:25,417 He was one of her primary songwriters for years. 156 00:08:28,682 --> 00:08:31,119 New York music producer Mark Kamins 157 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:34,035 then helped her to get a record deal with Sire Records, 158 00:08:34,165 --> 00:08:38,213 and with the help of Stephen Bray, she wrote her first hit, "Everybody." 159 00:08:38,343 --> 00:08:40,258 ♪ Come on 160 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:44,436 ♪ Everybody, come on, dance and sing ♪ 161 00:08:44,567 --> 00:08:48,484 ♪ Everybody, get up and do your thing ♪ 162 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:52,053 "Everybody" is still one of my favorite Madonna songs. 163 00:08:52,183 --> 00:08:56,710 It's really funny 'cause I recently read that the video she did for that song cost $1500. 164 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,451 I'm like, "It cost that much? It looks like it cost five dollars." 165 00:08:59,582 --> 00:09:00,844 But it's great. It's just her. 166 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:03,325 She's not even looking as sexy as she later did. 167 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:06,807 Her hair's short, it's brown. She's dressed in these clothes from like Newsies. 168 00:09:06,937 --> 00:09:09,374 Like these baggy earth-tone clothes. 169 00:09:09,505 --> 00:09:12,682 It's just her dancing with two people in the background, as low budget as it can get, 170 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:16,468 but it's like a totally compelling video, and the song is great. 171 00:09:16,599 --> 00:09:19,602 ♪ Dance and sing Get up and do your thing ♪ 172 00:09:21,212 --> 00:09:22,562 It's not a very deep song. 173 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:24,912 It's not gonna bring about world peace, 174 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:29,133 but it set the template that she is great at doing these upbeat, 175 00:09:29,264 --> 00:09:33,485 let's throw caution to the wind, let's not give a crap about tomorrow, 176 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:35,096 let's dance all night party songs. 177 00:09:35,226 --> 00:09:38,578 It was perfect for a single. Wasn't one of her bigger singles. 178 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:42,669 I think some of the stuff on her first album is some of the best stuff she ever did. 179 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:44,496 ♪ Get up and do your thing 180 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:47,282 "Everybody" proved the springboard to success for Madonna, 181 00:09:47,412 --> 00:09:51,242 and in 1982, one of her first performances ever 182 00:09:51,373 --> 00:09:54,332 was filmed at the hip New York club Danceteria. 183 00:09:56,073 --> 00:09:58,859 And now "No Entiendes" is proud to present... 184 00:09:58,989 --> 00:10:02,210 the world premiere of Sire recording artist 185 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:03,907 Madonna! 186 00:10:04,038 --> 00:10:08,738 ♪ Everybody, come on, dance and sing ♪ 187 00:10:08,869 --> 00:10:13,134 That was a legendary club where LL Cool J was the elevator man, 188 00:10:13,264 --> 00:10:15,789 the Beastie Boys and Keith Haring are dishwashers. 189 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,095 It would go from 8:00 to 8:00 every night in New York, 190 00:10:18,226 --> 00:10:20,489 and she would just dance there. 191 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,623 She'd dance at all the gay nightclubs. She was going out every night. 192 00:10:23,753 --> 00:10:27,844 She was seeing these cool girls and kind of able to steal their style a little bit, 193 00:10:27,975 --> 00:10:31,761 and she was able to mold herself into the idea of the person that she wanted to be. 194 00:10:31,892 --> 00:10:33,937 Buoyed by the success of "Everybody," 195 00:10:34,068 --> 00:10:36,766 Madonna convinced Sire to give her an album deal, 196 00:10:36,897 --> 00:10:40,335 and her eponymous album broke the music market in 1983. 197 00:10:42,467 --> 00:10:43,730 Few realized at the time 198 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:46,428 that the girl with the new poppy sound 199 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:51,520 would go down in history as one of music's most famous female artists. 200 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:53,957 [Cohen] It was a disco diva record 201 00:10:54,088 --> 00:10:57,961 at a time where there wasn't a whole lot of disco music going around. 202 00:10:58,092 --> 00:11:02,096 And she managed to write songs that were commercial enough-- 203 00:11:02,226 --> 00:11:05,012 co-writing with good partners-- 204 00:11:05,142 --> 00:11:08,798 so that they stood out as songs as well as dance chart items. 205 00:11:08,929 --> 00:11:11,932 The second single off the album was "Holiday," 206 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:14,282 and it really put Madonna in the spotlight 207 00:11:14,412 --> 00:11:16,414 as a force to be reckoned with. 208 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:17,677 ♪ Holiday 209 00:11:21,289 --> 00:11:22,943 ♪ Celebrate 210 00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:25,815 "Holiday" was Madonna's first big hit single, 211 00:11:25,946 --> 00:11:28,600 and it did so well that it kind of launched her, 212 00:11:28,731 --> 00:11:32,430 because she got on the hit TV show American Bandstand with Dick Clark, 213 00:11:32,561 --> 00:11:35,695 which was really afternoon appointment viewing on the weekends. 214 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:38,959 And is she hot. This is Madonna! 215 00:11:39,089 --> 00:11:40,003 [cheering] 216 00:11:40,134 --> 00:11:41,744 She got a little interview with Dick. 217 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:44,094 We are a couple of weeks into the new year. 218 00:11:44,225 --> 00:11:48,359 What do you hope will happen, not only in 1984 but for the rest of your professional life? 219 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:49,970 What are your dreams? What's left? 220 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,450 To rule the world.There you go. 221 00:11:52,581 --> 00:11:56,628 It was such an unusual thing to say, because at that time, nobody knew who she was. 222 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,848 She had one hit single to her name. 223 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:02,634 But looking back on it, it's certainly interesting, 224 00:12:02,765 --> 00:12:05,550 and it came true, to some degree. 225 00:12:05,681 --> 00:12:09,380 The first time I heard Madonna was on radio, top-40 radio. 226 00:12:09,511 --> 00:12:11,774 It was "Holiday," and I'm gonna admit I thought she was black. 227 00:12:11,905 --> 00:12:13,733 I thought it was an R&B black artist. 228 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:16,300 I think a lot of people thought that. 229 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:19,782 When they later saw the image that she had-- that she was blond and Italian-- 230 00:12:19,913 --> 00:12:21,262 people were surprised. 231 00:12:21,392 --> 00:12:22,916 Then "Borderline" came out, 232 00:12:23,046 --> 00:12:24,831 which is one of her best songs ever 233 00:12:24,961 --> 00:12:27,094 and the song that broke her through. 234 00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:31,446 ♪ Stop playin' with my heart Finish what you start ♪ 235 00:12:31,576 --> 00:12:35,015 ♪ When you make my love come down ♪ 236 00:12:35,145 --> 00:12:36,843 Everything was very much tied to image. 237 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:41,108 I always will associate all those early Madonna songs in my mind with the video. 238 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:45,329 And in that video, I actually literally found a striped hat that my mom had, 239 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:48,245 and I found a bow and glued it on and put it on my head 240 00:12:48,376 --> 00:12:50,595 so I could have the hat Madonna had in that video. 241 00:12:50,726 --> 00:12:56,514 ♪ You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline ♪ 242 00:12:56,645 --> 00:13:01,128 Madonna's early pop songs, no matter, like, whether you hate Madonna now, 243 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:03,304 whether you are the biggest Madonna fan ever, 244 00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:06,176 you kind of can't deny those songs. 245 00:13:06,307 --> 00:13:08,918 Because still to this day, almost 30 years later, 246 00:13:09,049 --> 00:13:11,355 you put on "Borderline" and girls will dance to it. 247 00:13:11,486 --> 00:13:15,533 At the end of the day, that's kind of the general barometer for pop music. 248 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:19,755 If you can get girls to dance to it, you will be popular. 249 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:22,932 [Parker] There was something about her that, even now, was what I think I liked about her. 250 00:13:23,063 --> 00:13:26,631 From day one, no one told her, "Wear rubber bracelets," or "Dress like this," 251 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:28,982 or "Roll around on the floor." 252 00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:31,288 I always felt everything about her image-- 253 00:13:31,419 --> 00:13:32,768 the way she presented herself, 254 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:34,291 the songs, whether she wrote them or not, 255 00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:36,598 the songs she recorded and chose to record-- 256 00:13:36,728 --> 00:13:38,295 was 100 percent her. 257 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:40,254 I always felt she was authentic. 258 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:42,169 It was completely coming from her. 259 00:13:42,299 --> 00:13:46,913 ♪ You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline ♪ 260 00:13:47,043 --> 00:13:49,219 I was, like, "I want to be this person," 261 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:52,570 and I think a lot of little girls wanted to be her 262 00:13:52,701 --> 00:13:57,053 in a way that I don't think girls necessarily wanted to be Britney Spears 263 00:13:57,184 --> 00:13:58,707 or even Katy Perry. 264 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:01,101 Madonna just always seemed like... 265 00:14:03,059 --> 00:14:05,583 she came up from the streets and she turned into, like, 266 00:14:05,714 --> 00:14:07,107 the biggest pop star on the planet. 267 00:14:07,237 --> 00:14:10,110 It's like the ultimate rags-to-riches story. 268 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,373 Madonna's arrival on the pop music scene 269 00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:16,420 coincided with that of another great musical icon, 270 00:14:16,551 --> 00:14:19,293 one that would change the face of entertainment forever. 271 00:14:22,818 --> 00:14:24,776 Right place, right time. 272 00:14:24,907 --> 00:14:26,778 Television wants movement, 273 00:14:26,909 --> 00:14:31,783 and Madonna is the first great female mover in videos. 274 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:35,744 They're not songs. They're mini epics. 275 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,225 Because the videos are what ends up people remembering. 276 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,575 Those are the things, and they're playing on MTV all the time. 277 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:42,751 She would appeal to everybody. 278 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:46,494 I remember going to parties when I was eight or nine years old, 279 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:49,889 and every eight or nine-year-old girl would sing every Madonna song. 280 00:14:50,019 --> 00:14:52,804 In hindsight you're like, "Oh, my God. These songs are so, like, sexual." 281 00:14:52,935 --> 00:14:55,633 And if I was a parent, I'd be freaking out, 282 00:14:55,764 --> 00:14:59,028 but kids don't even know that, 'cause all they know is that Madonna was pretty and cool 283 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:02,379 and danced well and had good songs. 284 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:04,686 And ever courting controversy, 285 00:15:04,816 --> 00:15:09,386 Madonna released the provocatively titled Like A Virgin in 1985. 286 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:13,347 The album launched her into the music stratosphere. 287 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:16,741 ♪ I made it through the wilderness ♪ 288 00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:20,745 ♪ Somehow I made it through 289 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:24,749 "Like A Virgin" was a top number one hit single for Madonna, 290 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,405 and in the video, of course, we see her in Venice in a gondola. 291 00:15:28,536 --> 00:15:32,061 ♪ Like a virgin, hey 292 00:15:32,192 --> 00:15:35,804 ♪ Touched for the very first time ♪ 293 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:39,503 Having her in the "Like A Virgin" garb... 294 00:15:41,592 --> 00:15:45,596 with all of those bangles and bracelets and crucifixes 295 00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:49,078 and frilly clothes, 296 00:15:49,209 --> 00:15:52,690 would have looked pretty silly over 90 or 105 minutes, 297 00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:55,650 but for four minutes, it's charismatic. 298 00:15:58,174 --> 00:16:01,047 And all of those image changes that she went through 299 00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,875 were perfect for four-minute films. 300 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:08,054 ♪ I'll be yours till the end of time ♪ 301 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:11,666 ♪ 'Cause you make me feel 302 00:16:11,796 --> 00:16:13,450 It's a really ambivalent song. 303 00:16:13,581 --> 00:16:16,584 Like, this relationship makes me feel brand-new and fresh, 304 00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:19,891 but Madonna in her, 305 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:24,853 I guess her ability to manipulate and be controversial, 306 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,725 used the imagery in her favor. 307 00:16:27,856 --> 00:16:31,947 Just the use of the word "virgin" set people on edge. 308 00:16:32,078 --> 00:16:35,516 ♪ Like a virgin, hey 309 00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:39,650 ♪ Touched for the very first time ♪ 310 00:16:39,781 --> 00:16:41,304 Obviously there was a total uproar. 311 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:44,525 She knew what she was doing. She was a provocateur. 312 00:16:44,655 --> 00:16:47,484 And I think, in America, if you can provoke, if you can create headlines, 313 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,573 you can create controversy, she knew that it would sell. 314 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:52,185 She was able to tap into these themes, and she's always said 315 00:16:52,315 --> 00:16:56,319 that she loved to play cat and mouse with traditional gender and cultural stereotypes. 316 00:16:56,450 --> 00:16:58,278 And that's sort of what really "Like A Virgin" is. 317 00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:00,280 A queen of music and motion, 318 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:03,283 and every biker's dream guest rider, 319 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,894 Madonna![audience cheering] 320 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,070 [Parker] There was the MTV performance that did it. 321 00:17:08,201 --> 00:17:11,073 The best, coolest, craziest 322 00:17:11,204 --> 00:17:13,728 VMA performance of all time 323 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:17,384 was when she performed at the very first one, opening the 1984 awards. 324 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:21,431 ♪ I made it through the wilderness ♪ 325 00:17:21,562 --> 00:17:25,174 ♪ Somehow I made it through 326 00:17:25,305 --> 00:17:26,697 [Parker] That was the game changer. 327 00:17:26,828 --> 00:17:29,352 That was when people were like, "Oh, my God, who is this girl? 328 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:31,746 She is going to be the biggest star on the planet." 329 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:35,880 ♪ Like a virgin, hey 330 00:17:36,011 --> 00:17:39,710 ♪ Touched for the very first time ♪ 331 00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:43,323 Her performance of that song at the MTV Video Awards 332 00:17:43,453 --> 00:17:47,109 is not just the definitive moment for Madonna 333 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,156 but for MTV and for pop culture as well. 334 00:17:50,286 --> 00:17:52,767 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 335 00:17:52,897 --> 00:17:56,118 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 336 00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:58,599 [Parker] When she rolled around on the floor in her underwear-- 337 00:17:58,729 --> 00:18:00,644 That's kind of weird, the way I'm talking about it now, 338 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:02,951 "Oh, she rolled around on the floor in her underwear." 339 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:07,564 It sounds tame now because pop stars have done so much more since then. 340 00:18:07,695 --> 00:18:10,567 Lady Gaga, who's obviously one of her logical successors, 341 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:12,178 But back then it was shocking. 342 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:23,145 She just was fearless. Like, she was letting it all hang out literally. 343 00:18:23,276 --> 00:18:25,669 I think at that point people realized, 344 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,803 "Actually, no, this girl is going to be around for a long time." 345 00:18:28,933 --> 00:18:31,240 [Weiss] If she didn't have that unerring belief in herself, 346 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:36,245 if she didn't have that ability to know what is a hit and what would work, 347 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:38,421 then I'm sure it would have gone to somebody else. 348 00:18:38,552 --> 00:18:41,903 If you look at pop history, it's really-- 349 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:45,994 it's not necessarily who writes the best songs but who gets the best songs 350 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,257 and who knows what to do with them and market them. 351 00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:50,172 That's one thing no one had to teach Madonna. 352 00:18:50,303 --> 00:18:53,044 She was a marketing genius from square one. 353 00:18:53,175 --> 00:18:55,482 Within weeks of the release of the album, 354 00:18:55,612 --> 00:19:00,400 the Madonna look was being mirrored by teenage girls all around the States. 355 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:03,794 Her lace lingerie, large crucifix necklaces 356 00:19:03,925 --> 00:19:05,318 and fingerless gloves 357 00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:07,798 became the fashion statement of the moment, 358 00:19:07,929 --> 00:19:12,063 and Madonna had achieved one of her most ambitious goals: 359 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,370 she had become a trendsetter. 360 00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:19,114 1985 and 1986 361 00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:22,117 proved incredibly successful years for Madonna, 362 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:27,078 and the hits just kept coming and coming and coming. 363 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:31,648 "Material Girl" is a song where Madonna, even more so than ever, 364 00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:36,523 really establishes control of her identity and her persona. 365 00:19:36,653 --> 00:19:40,091 ♪ Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me ♪ 366 00:19:40,222 --> 00:19:43,704 ♪ I think they're okay 367 00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:47,403 ♪ If they don't give me proper credit ♪ 368 00:19:47,534 --> 00:19:50,537 ♪ I just walk away 369 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:55,281 If "Like A Virgin" was kind of Madonna renouncing her Catholic heritage, 370 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:59,502 then "Material Girl" was Madonna kind of putting forth her credo 371 00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:02,331 of what she values and what's important in life. 372 00:20:02,462 --> 00:20:06,857 Because you'd be hard pressed to look at Madonna's personal life and financial decisions 373 00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:09,904 and not say that this is a very greedy woman 374 00:20:10,034 --> 00:20:13,124 who really enjoys amassing tremendous wealth. 375 00:20:13,255 --> 00:20:16,084 ♪ We are living in a material world ♪ 376 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,913 ♪ And I am a material girl 377 00:20:19,043 --> 00:20:22,612 It was a subversive song in just saying, like, you know, 378 00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:26,355 it was the '80s where, you know, the "Me" decade 379 00:20:26,486 --> 00:20:28,401 where people-- you know, greed is good. 380 00:20:28,531 --> 00:20:32,143 And it was still, for one thing, a major hit, 381 00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:35,190 but it gave a lot of people a lot to talk about. 382 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:40,500 There was, you know, a lot more weight to it than what were typical pop stars at the time. 383 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:43,720 The video for "Material Girl" is her-- It's ironic. 384 00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:47,724 She is being wooed by a Hollywood director 385 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:51,206 who's trying to buy her with money and gifts, 386 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:55,297 and she doesn't want him, so he impersonates a poor person to get her. 387 00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:56,994 ♪ Material girl ♪ Material 388 00:20:57,125 --> 00:21:00,302 ♪ Living in a material world 389 00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:02,609 ♪ Living in a material world ♪ 390 00:21:02,739 --> 00:21:04,524 [Madonna] I never was the Material Girl then. 391 00:21:04,654 --> 00:21:06,439 It was meant to be ironic, 392 00:21:06,569 --> 00:21:08,658 but no one ever seems to understand my sense of irony, 393 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:10,965 except, possibly, the French. 394 00:21:11,095 --> 00:21:14,142 You know, as life goes on, you begin to understand and appreciate 395 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,449 things that are not material. 396 00:21:16,579 --> 00:21:18,799 Still, I have to live in the physical world, 397 00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:22,411 and so, um, 398 00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:24,500 you know, when I said I am the Material Girl 399 00:21:24,631 --> 00:21:26,633 when I sang that song in the early '80s, 400 00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:30,289 it was very-- you know, I considered it tongue in cheek. 401 00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:35,990 In 1985, she made her first movie appearance 402 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,209 in a film called Vision Quest. 403 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,169 Its soundtrack contained her number one hit single 404 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,344 "Crazy For You." 405 00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:49,046 ♪ Swaying room as the music starts ♪ 406 00:21:49,177 --> 00:21:51,135 "Crazy For You." My friend lost her virginity to "Crazy For You." 407 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:52,615 Not me. My friend. 408 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:56,793 ♪ ...bodies become one 409 00:21:56,924 --> 00:22:00,406 Madonna recorded "Crazy For You" in 1985, 410 00:22:00,536 --> 00:22:03,017 and it was for a film that no one remembers called Vision Quest, 411 00:22:03,147 --> 00:22:05,411 and that was notable 'cause it was her second big single 412 00:22:05,541 --> 00:22:08,718 but also 'cause it was her first ballad. 413 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:14,376 ♪ What I'm dyin' to say is that I'm crazy for you ♪ 414 00:22:14,507 --> 00:22:17,031 I don't think a lot of people, especially who knew her from the early hits 415 00:22:17,161 --> 00:22:19,947 like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star" thought she'd ever go into ballads. 416 00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:23,124 I mean, let's face it, she's not Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey. 417 00:22:23,254 --> 00:22:27,302 She's not known for having great vocals, compared to some of the other pop divas, 418 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,131 but it did open the doors for her. 419 00:22:30,261 --> 00:22:32,394 [Pearson] I think it was a different Madonna than we expected. 420 00:22:32,525 --> 00:22:35,441 She wasn't this kind of pop provocateur. 421 00:22:35,571 --> 00:22:39,619 Rather she was singing this heartfelt ballad where this kind of unrequited love. 422 00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:43,797 ♪ Because I'm crazy for you 423 00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:49,193 ♪ Touch me once and you'll know it's true ♪ 424 00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,152 ♪ I never wanted-- There's something 425 00:22:51,282 --> 00:22:54,242 about her vocals, I think, that she was able to convey emotion. 426 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,939 You know, she is, you know-- 427 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:59,682 She might be capable of being one of the unemotional people on the planet, 428 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:02,859 but I think when it comes time to go into the vocal booth, 429 00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:08,256 she knows how to kind of get that kind of mixture of yearning or regret or sentiment, 430 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,301 and she knows how to wring it out. 431 00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:14,218 ♪ I'm crazy for you 432 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:16,699 ♪ Crazy for you, baby 433 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,790 And, again, it just established her as something more than just a one-trick pony, 434 00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:24,533 some who could be versatile and have different types of music and different types of looks 435 00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:28,494 and was gonna have a lasting career. 436 00:23:28,624 --> 00:23:32,541 And then came the low-budget motion picture Desperately Seeking Susan, 437 00:23:32,672 --> 00:23:37,285 a film theNew York Times called one of the top ten movies of the year. 438 00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,680 Prince had just done Purple Rain. It was a massive hit. 439 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,248 Obviously the logical extension is Madonna was the closest thing to a female Prince, 440 00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:46,076 let's make her a movie star. 441 00:23:46,207 --> 00:23:49,036 [Parker] The Susan character was clearly a Madonna character. 442 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:51,299 She actually doesn't have that huge a part in the movie, 443 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,302 but when she is on the screen, she lights it up. 444 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:58,349 She's just like so raw and so earthy and so sexual 445 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,790 and just so real and, like, you know, just a girl that guys would lust after, 446 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,488 but like a girl you might actually know from around the way. 447 00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:08,577 So different from her image now. 448 00:24:08,708 --> 00:24:11,798 The Madonna we know now would not be blow-drying her armpits 449 00:24:11,928 --> 00:24:14,975 or, you know, putting her feet up on the chair 450 00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:17,368 while she eats popcorn with her mouth open at the movie. 451 00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:21,242 She was just, like, not a very classy girl but a very cool girl. 452 00:24:21,372 --> 00:24:24,375 And I will tell you that the idea of having an iconic leather jacket 453 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:26,247 that you wear everywhere-- 454 00:24:26,377 --> 00:24:28,597 I spent years trying to find the perfect leather jacket for me, 455 00:24:28,728 --> 00:24:31,644 and it completely came from the the fact that-- it wasn't Fonzie. 456 00:24:31,774 --> 00:24:36,344 It was the fact that Madonna had this perfect jacket in that movie. 457 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,565 For me, at least, and for a lot of girls who grew up with Madonna, 458 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:44,265 it was so much about her style, and she just had the cool style. 459 00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:47,355 Anything she wore, I bought, or I would go into my mom's closet 460 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:51,054 and then cut up with scissors to make look like something Madonna wore. 461 00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:55,232 And in that movie, the defined early iconic Madonna style, 462 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:57,800 the Wayfarer glasses, the huge hair with the bow, 463 00:24:57,931 --> 00:25:00,455 the cool jacket, the layered, tattered clothes-- 464 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:05,678 the idea that she just sort of, like, took her entire suitcase 465 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:10,509 and it vomited on her, and here she is in all these layers of clothes and she looks amazing. 466 00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:14,121 It definitely came from that movie, and it definitely established her as an icon, 467 00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:17,864 I think a fashion icon as well as just an all-around star. 468 00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:21,955 [Weiss] It also produces the song "Into the Groove." 469 00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:24,261 Becomes another one of her huge hits, 470 00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:28,483 and it's kind of one of her last New Wavey kind of freestyle kind of songs, 471 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:30,311 but it's a catchy dance smash. 472 00:25:32,139 --> 00:25:34,402 ♪ Get into the groove 473 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:40,234 ♪ Boy, you've got to prove your love to me, yeah ♪ 474 00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:43,367 It did point, I guess, to her disco background. 475 00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:45,718 It's not a disco song per se, 476 00:25:45,848 --> 00:25:50,244 but it's a song that, you know, it's about dancing that's a dance song. 477 00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:55,902 So that always plays well, and it really tied into the movie itself. 478 00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:59,819 ♪ We might be lovers if the rhythm's right ♪ 479 00:25:59,949 --> 00:26:01,864 Another Stephen Bray collaboration. 480 00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:04,911 It's just like a perfect dance song. 481 00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:09,350 If I hear that anywhere, I will stop what I'm doing and dance to it. I'm not exaggerating. 482 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,135 To me, it's up there with some of the best Michael Jackson songs 483 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,268 like "Rock With You" and "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough." 484 00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:16,923 It's not deep; it's a song about let's dance, 485 00:26:17,053 --> 00:26:20,143 but sometimes all you need is the perfect Saturday night club song. 486 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,453 Never short of admirers, 487 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:29,631 Madonna had always had a preference for sexy dark men. 488 00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:33,896 In the past, she had dated the likes of graffiti artist Jean-Michel Basquiat. 489 00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,335 But in 1985, 490 00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:41,164 she really got the gossip columnists going 491 00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:45,168 when she hooked up with one of the movie world's most controversial young actors, 492 00:26:45,299 --> 00:26:47,083 Sean Penn. 493 00:26:47,214 --> 00:26:49,216 Amidst a blaze of publicity, 494 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:53,437 she married Penn on August 16, 1985. 495 00:26:53,568 --> 00:26:59,095 At the time, the couple personified all that was cool and cutting edge in Hollywood. 496 00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:02,446 They'd become, in the nicest possible sense of the word, 497 00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:04,231 a freak show. 498 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:07,234 Their wedding was covered by helicopter. 499 00:27:07,364 --> 00:27:11,934 Now, usually people are just worried about wedding crashers. 500 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:14,023 You and me on the street, we get married. 501 00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:16,547 We don't want people to come in that we don't know. 502 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:19,115 Wait a minute. We don't look to the skies. 503 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:24,991 Madonna's career continued to go from strength to strength, 504 00:27:25,121 --> 00:27:27,384 and true to form, she continued to shock 505 00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:30,866 with her latest controversial hit "Papa Don't Preach." 506 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:35,566 ♪ Papa, I know you're going to be upset ♪ 507 00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:39,919 ♪ 'Cause I was always your little girl ♪ 508 00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:42,356 "Papa Don't Preach" was a message, 509 00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:46,012 an open letter, really, I think, from Madonna to her father. 510 00:27:46,142 --> 00:27:48,231 You know, the whole thing was about this young girl 511 00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:51,582 who'd sort of gotten herself in trouble sexually, had gotten pregnant 512 00:27:51,713 --> 00:27:53,541 and was having this argument with her dad 513 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,762 about the fact that she didn't want to give the baby up or have an abortion. 514 00:27:56,892 --> 00:27:58,372 She was going to keep her baby. 515 00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:03,159 ♪ Please, Papa don't preach I'm in trouble deep ♪ 516 00:28:03,290 --> 00:28:07,381 ♪ Papa don't preach I been losin' sleep ♪ 517 00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:11,080 In 2012, you know, abortion is still a hot-button topic. 518 00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:16,303 Some people don't want to touch it, so just imagine what it was like in the mid-'80s 519 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:20,611 to have a song which message was, you know, I'm keeping my baby. 520 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:25,225 ♪ I'm keepin' my baby 521 00:28:25,355 --> 00:28:27,053 It got mixed reactions. 522 00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:29,272 There were family groups that praised the song, saying, 523 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:32,449 "Okay, you know, Madonna is preaching taking responsibility." 524 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:35,626 Not having an abortion or giving up your baby for adoption, 525 00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:37,846 but if you get pregnant, doing the "right thing" 526 00:28:37,977 --> 00:28:40,457 and marrying your boyfriend and raising the baby. 527 00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:43,417 Other people said, "No, this is glamorizing teen pregnancy." 528 00:28:43,547 --> 00:28:45,636 She couldn't win, you know? 529 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:48,814 ♪ He says that he's going to marry me ♪ 530 00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:52,034 It's really just a Romeo and Juliet song, 531 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:55,298 but she's able to kind of put it in an '80s context. 532 00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:59,085 She wasn't writing a, you know, Janis Joplin kind of song. 533 00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:02,610 She's writing these songs that appeal to American teenage girls. 534 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:05,874 [Pearson] Madonna dedicated this song to the Pope, 535 00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:10,096 which, as you can imagine, caused all kinds of headlines around the world. 536 00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:15,144 Up until now she'd kind of been less, perhaps not subtly, but taking digs at them 537 00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:18,321 with "Like A Virgin" and some of her Catholic iconography, 538 00:29:18,452 --> 00:29:22,499 but this was kind of an open, all-out declaration of war. 539 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:25,546 [Parker] In the video, she was very toned. She had a different look. 540 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:30,116 She'd cut off her hair and it was very short and blond and she looked very sophisticated. 541 00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:33,815 Sort of that boy toy look that she had before was going away. 542 00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:35,686 It was sort of the first time we really saw Madonna 543 00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:40,343 have one of her million persona changes and body changes. 544 00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:43,694 [Pearson] Madonna's wearing this very provocative black bustier 545 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:47,698 and kind of bouncing around quite a bit in this sexy outfit. 546 00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:50,136 I was told that this is when Guy Ritchie 547 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:53,400 actually started to develop a bit of a crush on Madonna, 548 00:29:53,530 --> 00:29:57,317 and he used to watch this video again and again and again, 549 00:29:57,447 --> 00:29:59,493 saying, you know, "God, she's so hot." 550 00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:03,062 So, ironically, he later ended up marrying her, 551 00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:07,893 but it was in that music video that he first, I think, started to really fancy her. 552 00:30:12,158 --> 00:30:15,291 Her career continued with the release in 1986 553 00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:16,902 ofShanghai Surprise, 554 00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:20,079 co-starring her husband Sean Penn. 555 00:30:20,209 --> 00:30:22,472 Penn's popularity in Hollywood had suggested 556 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:25,084 that the movie would be a huge success, 557 00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:27,956 but the reality was very different. 558 00:30:28,087 --> 00:30:29,915 [Gambaccini] Desperately Seeking Susan was a hit. 559 00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,265 It gave us the number one song, "Into the Groove." 560 00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:36,095 You would have thought, "Wow, film career awaits." 561 00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:37,531 Nope. Duds. 562 00:30:37,661 --> 00:30:39,750 [Cohen] Shanghai Surprise. 563 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:43,537 I would say that's Madonna's first lead movie, and, um, 564 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:46,366 that generally was not received very well. 565 00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:52,372 You know, a lot of people wanted to do whatever they could to bring Madonna down. 566 00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:55,418 The fact that Shanghai Surprise was not a good movie at all 567 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,768 allowed people to kind of take their shots at Madonna. 568 00:30:57,899 --> 00:31:02,512 And then a New York Times film critic, Vincent Canby... 569 00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:07,996 wrote the nail in the headpiece, which was, 570 00:31:08,127 --> 00:31:10,607 "Madonna has already made her great films, 571 00:31:10,738 --> 00:31:12,435 and they are all four minutes long." 572 00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:21,096 The movie had raised all kinds of differences, both personal and artistic, 573 00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:23,620 between Madonna and Sean, 574 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:26,536 and it was around this time that news started to leak out 575 00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,582 that the marriage was in deep trouble. 576 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,022 [Gambaccini] When she got together with Sean Penn, 577 00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:36,764 I didn't think it was forever, because we'd already known 578 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,898 that she'd been through a number of men on her rise to the top. 579 00:31:40,028 --> 00:31:45,033 [Pearson] Sean was incredibly aggressive and violent at that point in his life. 580 00:31:45,164 --> 00:31:51,213 Madonna has actually admitted or it's been reported that he tied her up at one point, 581 00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:53,607 you know, threatened her with a baseball bat. 582 00:31:53,737 --> 00:31:56,827 There had been all kinds of unsubstantiated rumors that he hit her, 583 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,221 that he was violent in the relationship. 584 00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:03,443 It was a very ugly relationship at points, 585 00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:06,359 and I think Madonna who, you know, loves to provoke, 586 00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:09,753 loves to probably fight in her personal relationships, 587 00:32:09,884 --> 00:32:15,020 was like a match to a flame when it came to Sean Penn, 588 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,413 who had very much an out of control temper. 589 00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:21,200 The marriage between Madonna and Sean 590 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:24,072 had lasted just over two years. 591 00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:29,077 Madonna later admitted at that time, 592 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:32,080 "I was completely obsessed with my career 593 00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:35,170 and not ready to be generous in any shape or form." 594 00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:40,262 Her next big hit was "Like a Prayer." 595 00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:45,180 ♪ Life is a mystery 596 00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:47,574 ♪ Everyone must stand alone 597 00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:51,143 Once again, it incorporated all the religious iconography 598 00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:54,537 and references to her Catholic religion. 599 00:32:54,668 --> 00:32:58,715 ♪ When you call my name it's like a little prayer ♪ 600 00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:03,720 ♪ I'm down on my knees I wanna take you there ♪ 601 00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:07,202 And once again, it caused controversy everywhere. 602 00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:08,769 [Weiss] This is an example of, you know, 603 00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:11,815 She had gone from being "Like a Virgin" performing at the MTV Awards 604 00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,601 and shocking and scaring America, 605 00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:18,909 and America loved her for it, this controversial kind of icon. 606 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,477 By 1989, Pepsi's giving her commercial deals. 607 00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:23,740 She's already starting to become absorbed in the mainstream. 608 00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:28,397 But "Like a Prayer" ends up having this kind of interracial video 609 00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,051 and there was like burning crosses in the south 610 00:33:30,182 --> 00:33:32,488 and there was like ideas of Ku Klux Klan. 611 00:33:32,619 --> 00:33:34,664 ♪ Just like a dream 612 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,971 ♪ You are not what you seem 613 00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:38,886 ♪ Just like a prayer 614 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:42,107 ♪ No choice, your voice can take me there ♪ 615 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:44,065 ♪ Just like a prayer I'll take you there ♪ 616 00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:46,459 Like I said, she's a provocateur. 617 00:33:46,589 --> 00:33:50,419 No matter what the taboo was, she would've tried to break it whether it was right or wrong. 618 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:55,294 ♪ You're here with me It's like a dream ♪ 619 00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:58,471 ♪ Let the choir sing 620 00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:02,779 ♪ When you call my name it's like a little prayer ♪ 621 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,739 It was so shocking to a lot of people that Pepsi got shell-shocked 622 00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:08,176 and wanted to cancel the contract. 623 00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:10,352 She never had anyone feeling too comfortable. 624 00:34:10,483 --> 00:34:12,180 And I think as her career has progressed, 625 00:34:12,311 --> 00:34:17,533 I think that's been the problem of why she's had trouble being this figure. 626 00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:21,755 At a certain point, you break every single taboo, 627 00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:23,409 there's nothing left to shock. 628 00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:27,500 ♪ It's like a dream to me 629 00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,415 [Weiss] For the first 15 years of her career, 630 00:34:29,545 --> 00:34:32,026 there was nobody that could bottle up that combination 631 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:37,423 of these different themes of sex and lust and rebellion and racial mixing 632 00:34:37,553 --> 00:34:39,773 and all these different things that were kind of like simmering in America, 633 00:34:39,903 --> 00:34:41,427 and she kind of put them out in the light. 634 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:43,559 Obviously there was political things going on beneath it, 635 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,084 but no one never dealt with it in a pop form. 636 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:49,609 You couldn't ignore her. She was able to make you never be able to turn your head away 637 00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:53,091 because if there was a car crash, you'd kind of want to see what happened. 638 00:34:55,702 --> 00:34:58,705 A new man was about to enter Madonna's life, 639 00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,576 and this time he arrived in the form 640 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:03,579 of one of Hollywood's greatest lotharios, 641 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:05,233 Warren Beatty. 642 00:35:05,364 --> 00:35:07,235 They met while filming Dick Tracy, 643 00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:09,672 a movie written and directed by Beatty, 644 00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:14,808 and their 20-year age gap became the talk of Tinseltown. 645 00:35:14,938 --> 00:35:17,811 [Cohen] She actually did a good job, in which, for the most part 646 00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:21,510 was kind of a disaster in a lot of ways. 647 00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:26,124 It was sort of the beginning of a very weird multimedia time for Madonna 648 00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:30,780 And then came the groundbreaking video 649 00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:34,871 for one of Madonna's most memorable songs, "Vogue." 650 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:38,571 And with it came yet another brand-new image. 651 00:35:38,701 --> 00:35:40,616 ♪ Look around 652 00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:43,228 ♪ Everywhere you turn is heartache ♪ 653 00:35:43,358 --> 00:35:45,752 ♪ It's everywhere that you go 654 00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:47,797 ♪ Look around 655 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:51,149 It was directed by David Fincher, 656 00:35:51,279 --> 00:35:54,326 who would later go on to mastermind such Hollywood blockbusters 657 00:35:54,369 --> 00:35:57,851 who would later go on t asFight Club uch H andSocial Network. s 658 00:35:57,981 --> 00:35:59,766 One of Madonna's greatest skills as a pop star, 659 00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:01,420 a mainstream pop star, 660 00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,639 is taking underground trends 661 00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:05,380 or things that are soft of bubbling under 662 00:36:05,511 --> 00:36:07,469 and turning them into mainstream, 663 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,210 and "Vogue" was one of the best examples of that. 664 00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:11,778 ♪ And here's what it's for, so ♪ 665 00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:14,737 ♪ Come on, Vogue 666 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:18,045 Voguing came out of the 1960's Harlem ballroom dance scene, 667 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:21,004 mostly underground, mostly gay community, 668 00:36:21,135 --> 00:36:25,574 and she turned it into one of the biggest pop songs in 1989 or 1990, 669 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:29,578 and made doing this like a thing that like your grandma would do, 670 00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,537 even though she has no idea where it comes from. 671 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,626 ♪ Don't just stand there Let's get to it ♪ 672 00:36:33,756 --> 00:36:36,759 ♪ Strike a pose There's nothing to it, Vogue ♪ 673 00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:40,546 Everyone knew it was eight years after the fact that Vogue had its popularity, 674 00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:44,332 but I don't think the average person in middle America 675 00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:46,639 knew what Voguing was until Madonna did it. 676 00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:49,685 It was a perfect example of her-- 677 00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:54,908 with her ear picking up a frequency that most people weren't hearing 678 00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:56,475 and making it her own. 679 00:36:56,605 --> 00:36:59,652 [Parker] And it was also another continuation in terms of the video 680 00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:02,698 of her more glamorous, more classy look, 681 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:05,745 the sort of Marilyn Monroe-thing she started to do, 682 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,575 getting away more and more from the kind of crassly, slutty look 683 00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:12,926 that she had established with her early albums. 684 00:37:13,056 --> 00:37:15,885 [Cohen] They had a very strong black and white video, 685 00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:17,583 very highly stylized 686 00:37:17,713 --> 00:37:23,110 and one of the best meetings of message and music 687 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,286 in Madonna's career. 688 00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:28,115 ♪ Get up on the dance floor 689 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,857 ♪ Vogue 690 00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:35,470 Not only does she tie it in with these themes of gay liberation, 691 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:37,559 which are all kind of sublimated, 692 00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:40,736 she's name-dropping Ginger Rogers, Fred Astaire, 693 00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:44,044 all these American icons. 694 00:37:44,174 --> 00:37:47,961 ♪ Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean on the cover of a magazine ♪ 695 00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:50,355 ♪ Grace Kelly, Harlow, Jean 696 00:37:50,485 --> 00:37:52,182 She's bringing all these different ideas together 697 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:54,359 with kind of a subversive idea beneath it, 698 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,665 and then, you know, she's got a catchy video. 699 00:37:56,796 --> 00:38:01,017 And the truth of the matter is, you know, whether or not you know what Voguing is, 700 00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:04,543 it comes down to the fact that everyone remembers Madonna for being the person who Vogued 701 00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:07,197 because it's not necessarily who does it first. 702 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:09,591 It's always kind of who does it best. 703 00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,595 ♪ Let your body move to the music ♪ 704 00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:18,383 I saw her, what may have been her live peak, 705 00:38:18,513 --> 00:38:20,210 which was the Vogue tour, 706 00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:23,649 and she was just so hot 707 00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:27,435 that the heat of her career was in itself sexy, 708 00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:33,006 which she had a sense for packaging each song 709 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:36,357 in a production number... 710 00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:41,841 that was perfect for the song itself. 711 00:38:41,971 --> 00:38:43,582 And then they'd move to a different point of the stage 712 00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:45,235 and they'd do something else, 713 00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:47,934 and you couldn't take your eyes off her. 714 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:50,850 Madonna will always have the sexiest dancers, 715 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:56,421 the newest fashions, 716 00:38:56,551 --> 00:38:59,032 and she'll take credit for them. 717 00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:00,729 Not because she's being arrogant, 718 00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:03,341 but because everybody will give her credit for it 719 00:39:03,471 --> 00:39:07,432 'cause they don't know who that second beautiful dancer from the left is. 720 00:39:07,562 --> 00:39:10,391 They'll just say it's a Madonna show. 721 00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:18,268 1991 was another epic year for Madonna. 722 00:39:18,399 --> 00:39:23,273 By now she had achieved a staggering 32 top ten hits in the U.S. 723 00:39:23,404 --> 00:39:27,452 and sold more than 17 million albums internationally, 724 00:39:27,582 --> 00:39:32,457 generating an incredible $1.2 billion in sales. 725 00:39:32,587 --> 00:39:35,721 That same year she also founded her own label, 726 00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:37,679 Maverick Records, with Time-Warner, 727 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:39,551 and brought out a greatest hits album called 728 00:39:39,681 --> 00:39:41,509 The Immaculate Collection. 729 00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:47,602 A documentary about her Blonde Ambition tour 730 00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:50,518 also got the critics talking once again. 731 00:39:50,649 --> 00:39:54,217 In America, it was called Truth or Dare. 732 00:39:54,348 --> 00:39:59,527 In the rest of the world, it had the provocative title In Bed with Madonna 733 00:39:59,658 --> 00:40:01,834 I just think life is unfair. Here I am, this person. 734 00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:04,532 Everybody thinks I have everything I want, right? 735 00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:06,186 But I want you, and I can't have you. 736 00:40:06,316 --> 00:40:08,536 It was the Truth or Daremovie where it was one of the first times 737 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:14,281 where she went to her mother's grave since she was a little girl. 738 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:20,069 And if you really want to mark Madonna's career up in the paths or into spheres, 739 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,332 1991 is kind of where she makes the sharp break. 740 00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:24,160 She released The Immaculate Collectionthat year, 741 00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:27,990 and I think you could probably make a case of that was when she finally had gotten 742 00:40:28,121 --> 00:40:33,431 maybe the first bit of degree of peace with her mother's passing. 743 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:37,347 [Madonna narrating] I never really understood why she was taken away from us. 744 00:40:37,478 --> 00:40:39,785 It just seemed so unfair. 745 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,743 I never thought that she had done something wrong, 746 00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:45,573 so oftentimes I'd wonder what I'd done wrong. 747 00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:47,314 [Weiss] She never wants to leave. 748 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:49,577 She never wants to live any of her life with the cameras off. 749 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:51,971 If it was ideal, she'd have the cameras on at all times. 750 00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:53,581 And they talk about her early shows, 751 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:55,931 where she was one of the first ones to realize that she was like-- 752 00:40:56,062 --> 00:40:57,585 She would let the audience be the peeping tom. 753 00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,981 The documentary film also highlighted Madonna's 754 00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:05,419 free-thinking attitude toward sexual stereotypes, 755 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:09,031 revealing her bisexual relationship with another woman. 756 00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:12,948 I don't like her.I don't either. Believe me, it's sickening. 757 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,385 I don't like any of the people I sleep with either. 758 00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:17,257 That's why I sleep with them 'cause they're hideous. 759 00:41:17,387 --> 00:41:19,172 [laughing] 760 00:41:19,302 --> 00:41:22,828 It's very interesting that Madonna... 761 00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,395 didn't get more of a reputation for being bisexual. 762 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:31,401 She famously hung out with Sandra Bernhard as a gal pal. 763 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,969 But that's because she went through so many people 764 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,754 that inevitably a couple of them were gonna be women. 765 00:41:39,758 --> 00:41:42,500 As if the documentary hadn't been provocative enough, 766 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,414 a year later, 767 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:47,635 Madonna really went for gold in pushing the boundaries 768 00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:51,987 when she published a highly controversial soft-core pornographic coffee book 769 00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:55,861 featuring her in various blatant erotic poses. 770 00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:02,737 The book calledSex sold 150,000 copies 771 00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,871 on its release day in the USA alone. 772 00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:10,571 Three days later, all 1.5 million copies of the first edition 773 00:42:10,702 --> 00:42:13,095 were sold out worldwide, 774 00:42:13,226 --> 00:42:18,100 making it the most successful coffee table book of all time. 775 00:42:18,231 --> 00:42:19,449 [Parker] The one thing I would say that she ever did controversial 776 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,236 that, like, hurt her career what I'd say would be the Sexbook, 777 00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:25,020 which was just stupid and ridiculous. 778 00:42:25,151 --> 00:42:26,761 I will come out there and say it. 779 00:42:26,892 --> 00:42:29,024 [Gambaccini] Nobody would've said, 780 00:42:29,155 --> 00:42:35,727 "Hey, let's make a $150 coffee table book of explicit photos." 781 00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:39,034 I mean, nobody said that to any pop star ever. 782 00:42:39,165 --> 00:42:42,211 Can you imagine anybody saying that to Barbra Streisand? 783 00:42:44,823 --> 00:42:46,433 To me, I was like, "What are you doing?" 784 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,783 Like it's one thing to be sexual in your videos, 785 00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:50,959 to be sexual in your song lyrics, 786 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,048 but when you're actually doing a soft-core porn book 787 00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:56,182 where you're posing naked, with Vanilla Ice, 788 00:42:56,312 --> 00:43:00,273 with Vanilla Ice and Big Daddy Kane and Naomi Campbell... 789 00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:04,277 I'm proud to buy it. I'm not ashamed. 790 00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:08,498 Once again, you have to realize this was 1991, let's say. 791 00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:13,678 People were more easily shocked then than they were now. 792 00:43:15,854 --> 00:43:20,902 [Gambaccini] She had a sense of how far she could take it 793 00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:24,079 'cause this could've potentially been a career ender. 794 00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:28,736 And then she knew intuitively when to cut it, 795 00:43:28,867 --> 00:43:30,869 and she let the book go out of print. 796 00:43:30,999 --> 00:43:32,697 [Parker] It came out, coincided with 797 00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:35,525 what I think is one of her weaker albums Erotica, 798 00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:39,921 which, again, was just so hammering you over the head with the sex thing. 799 00:43:40,052 --> 00:43:42,707 There was just something about it that I thought seemed very desperate 800 00:43:42,837 --> 00:43:46,754 and very, um-- yeah, just trying too hard and silly 801 00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:49,975 and just trying to shock like, "Ooh, look how shocking I am." 802 00:43:50,105 --> 00:43:53,587 By now even some of her most ardent fans believed Madonna 803 00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:57,983 had gone one step too far with her overtly sexual image. 804 00:43:58,113 --> 00:44:01,421 And for about five years, she went under the publicity radar. 805 00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:13,215 But then in 1996 came the momentous news 806 00:44:13,346 --> 00:44:16,566 that she had given birth to a baby girl called Lourdes, 807 00:44:16,697 --> 00:44:20,396 whom she had with her lover and personal trainer Carlos Leon. 808 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:23,835 [Pearson] Madonna had said numerous times she wanted to have a baby 809 00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:26,359 with a Latin man, a Puerto Rican particularly 810 00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:28,796 'cause she thought they would make beautiful babies together. 811 00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:34,846 As if the birth of her daughter weren't headlining enough, 812 00:44:34,976 --> 00:44:38,153 news also broke in 1996 that Madonna had landed 813 00:44:38,284 --> 00:44:41,330 one of the most coveted roles in show business, 814 00:44:41,461 --> 00:44:43,419 that of Eva Peron 815 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,162 in the movie version of the smash hit musicalEvita. 816 00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:49,469 She said at the time, 817 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,604 "I am prouder ofEvita than anything else I have ever done." 818 00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:57,607 [Parker] Madonna's not gonna go down in history as being a great actress. 819 00:44:57,738 --> 00:45:00,393 But occasionally she gets married to the right part, 820 00:45:00,523 --> 00:45:03,265 and the reason why Desperately Seeking Susan worked well for her 821 00:45:03,396 --> 00:45:05,659 is because she was basically playing a variation of herself, 822 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,227 and some people could say with Evitashe sort of was, too, 823 00:45:08,357 --> 00:45:12,884 this very ambitious woman who came from nothing, 824 00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,929 who is determined to make something of herself. 825 00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,453 Some would say Madonna has used men 826 00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:21,849 or used her feminine wiles to get ahead. 827 00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:25,766 [Gambaccini] Evitawas the great musical hit on stage, 828 00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:28,073 but of the late 70s. 829 00:45:28,203 --> 00:45:32,164 And for some reason, the film didn't get made, 830 00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:37,256 even though an entire generation of star females 831 00:45:37,386 --> 00:45:40,172 were mentioned for the part and seriously considered. 832 00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:42,217 [Weiss] In the film, she plays Evita Peron, 833 00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,612 the wife of Juan Peron, leader of Argentina. 834 00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,833 And this is a role that she'd always kind of wanted, 835 00:45:48,963 --> 00:45:52,662 and obviously she found, I'm sure, tons of emotional connection 836 00:45:52,793 --> 00:45:56,318 with a woman that kind of got everything that she wanted. 837 00:45:56,449 --> 00:45:58,886 [Madonna] I was extremely passionate about it. 838 00:45:59,017 --> 00:46:00,714 I knew that it was a chance for me 839 00:46:00,845 --> 00:46:02,934 as an actress and a singer 840 00:46:03,064 --> 00:46:04,718 to do things I'd never done before, 841 00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:06,198 and to push myself and to grow. 842 00:46:08,417 --> 00:46:11,856 ♪ It won't be easy 843 00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:15,207 ♪ You'll think it strange 844 00:46:15,337 --> 00:46:16,991 Doing "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" 845 00:46:17,122 --> 00:46:20,429 from the balcony of the Casa Rosada, 846 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,650 she was charismatic. 847 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:28,960 ♪ Don't cry for me, Argentina 848 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:33,225 ♪ The truth is I never left you ♪ 849 00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:35,270 [Weiss] That was her first big film success, 850 00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:37,882 kind of her only major, major film success, 851 00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,014 but I think it proved that she was able to have that kind of-- 852 00:46:40,145 --> 00:46:42,147 She was able to have that versatility. 853 00:46:42,277 --> 00:46:44,714 She was able to kind of get in the mind of a very, very powerful woman 854 00:46:44,845 --> 00:46:47,717 who would stop at nothing to succeed, so-- 855 00:46:47,848 --> 00:46:49,502 Obviously a huge stretch. 856 00:46:49,632 --> 00:46:52,722 [Madonna] It's an incredible role for any actress to play, 857 00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:57,336 and I felt that I could completely understand her compassion 858 00:46:57,466 --> 00:47:02,123 and her ambition and other things that she experienced. 859 00:47:02,254 --> 00:47:08,913 ♪ I love you and hope you love me ♪ 860 00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:11,350 I just feel that what's happening to me 861 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,616 is a perfect example that if you just keep on going 862 00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:19,271 and you put your mind to something, you can achieve anything. 863 00:47:19,401 --> 00:47:21,490 ♪ Look at me to know 864 00:47:21,621 --> 00:47:28,062 ♪ That every word is true 865 00:47:34,112 --> 00:47:37,550 Not long after Lourdes' birth, Madonna joined Kabbalah, 866 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,728 a religion reflecting the more esoteric aspects of Judaism. 867 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:43,817 Her Kabbalah name is Esther. 868 00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:46,864 and to this day, she remains a firm believer. 869 00:47:50,563 --> 00:47:53,783 In 1998, she released an album calledRay of Light, 870 00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,960 which proved a real departure for her. 871 00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:03,010 ♪ Zephyr in the sky at night I wonder ♪ 872 00:48:03,141 --> 00:48:08,798 Once again, it proved a whole new chameleon-like reinvention of her image. 873 00:48:08,929 --> 00:48:11,932 That was a real change of pace 874 00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:15,327 because it wasn't so much a pop album 875 00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:18,243 as it was an attempt to kind of negotiate 876 00:48:18,373 --> 00:48:22,029 with the electronic music that was going on at the time. 877 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,989 For most people in the music industry, electronica, 878 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,514 that catch always sees the next big thing. 879 00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:30,124 ♪ And I feel 880 00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,000 The structure is like a dance record. 881 00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:41,048 And she's somebody who really-- as even dance music continues to thrive in 2012-- 882 00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:43,094 it's probably the biggest it's ever been, 883 00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:45,183 Madonna was the first one. 884 00:48:45,313 --> 00:48:50,405 ♪ Quicker than a ray of light 885 00:48:50,536 --> 00:48:53,626 She was the one that kind of was able to do it 886 00:48:53,756 --> 00:48:57,717 in a way with more style than anybody had and more visual flair. 887 00:48:57,847 --> 00:49:00,198 She was the first one to get that it wasn't enough to just be a good singer, 888 00:49:00,328 --> 00:49:02,243 not to have good songs. You had to be an icon. 889 00:49:02,374 --> 00:49:06,421 If you wanted to survive, you had to, you know, 890 00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:09,120 become not just a conversation at the dinner table. 891 00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:12,471 You had to be like the conversation at the dinner table. 892 00:49:12,601 --> 00:49:14,429 ♪ Quicker than a ray of light 893 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,172 ♪ I'm flying 894 00:49:18,303 --> 00:49:20,609 She won four Grammys forRay of Light, 895 00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:22,046 including Best Video. 896 00:49:25,179 --> 00:49:29,053 Amazingly, it was the first time in Madonna's long career 897 00:49:29,183 --> 00:49:30,880 that the Grammys had recognized her. 898 00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,621 I've been in the music business 16 years. 899 00:49:32,752 --> 00:49:34,841 This is my first Grammy, and, uh-- 900 00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:37,713 Well, actually, I've won four tonight, but... 901 00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:42,066 you know, it's worth the wait and all that. 902 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:46,200 The video was directed by Swedish director Jonas Akerlund, 903 00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:49,682 and it also won the MTV Video of the Year. 904 00:49:49,812 --> 00:49:52,076 They want to know if I was difficult to work with. 905 00:49:52,206 --> 00:49:54,426 No. It was great. 906 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,911 That same year, Madonna's constant reinvention continued 907 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:05,350 when she married British film director Guy Ritchie. 908 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,265 She moved from Los Angeles to London 909 00:50:07,395 --> 00:50:11,095 and later gave birth to their son Rocco John. 910 00:50:11,225 --> 00:50:13,314 I'm looking for a place to live in London, 911 00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,883 but only because I go there so much, I work there so much. 912 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:19,320 I can't stand staying in hotels. 913 00:50:19,451 --> 00:50:21,496 You know, so it would be kind of like a second home. 914 00:50:21,627 --> 00:50:23,585 It wouldn't be my primary home. 915 00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:27,763 For a while, she seemed content with London life, 916 00:50:27,894 --> 00:50:30,940 even writing a children's book calledThe English Roses. 917 00:50:31,071 --> 00:50:34,161 Bizarrely, this onetime sex siren 918 00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:38,644 now started to promote an image of a more wholesome English mother, 919 00:50:38,774 --> 00:50:42,126 even adopting something of a British accent along the way. 920 00:50:42,256 --> 00:50:44,215 [Reporter] How much do you enjoy being married? 921 00:50:44,345 --> 00:50:47,957 Love it. Best thing I've ever done.Thank you. 922 00:50:48,088 --> 00:50:51,004 [Pearson] She reinvented herself as this English rose, 923 00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:54,312 writing a children's book, talking about baking bread and staying at home, 924 00:50:54,442 --> 00:50:56,314 wearing these, like, day dresses. 925 00:50:56,444 --> 00:50:59,186 It's absolutely ludicrous. 926 00:50:59,317 --> 00:51:01,362 The problem with the English roses 927 00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:03,712 was that they were all a little bit jealous 928 00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:06,324 of a little girl in the neighborhood. 929 00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:08,456 I tried out all the stories on my children, 930 00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:11,372 and whenever they got bored and started fidgeting or, 931 00:51:11,503 --> 00:51:14,506 you know, complaining or looking for other things to do, 932 00:51:14,636 --> 00:51:16,290 I knew I had to fix that part of the story. 933 00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:19,772 [Pearson] It's like Madonna thinks that the rest of us have such short memories 934 00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:23,428 that nobody remembers the whole S&M stuff from before 935 00:51:23,558 --> 00:51:27,693 and were happily ready to accept her as this, you know, English rose. 936 00:51:27,823 --> 00:51:30,783 Now, of course what we see more recently is another reinvention, 937 00:51:30,913 --> 00:51:32,132 kind of something in the middle. 938 00:51:32,263 --> 00:51:34,091 She still wants to be sexy. 939 00:51:34,221 --> 00:51:38,007 She wants to prove that she can be 53 and she can rock a body suit, 940 00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:45,014 but at the same time, she's not quite as seedy and naked as she used to be. 941 00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:50,063 I think Kabbalah has played a large role in some of the images we've seen of Madonna. 942 00:51:50,194 --> 00:51:53,893 As she's kind of dabbled-- at one time very, very deeply involved in the religion, 943 00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:56,852 I think lately a bit less so-- 944 00:51:56,983 --> 00:52:01,770 we've seen the kind of influences of having a spiritual life 945 00:52:01,901 --> 00:52:05,600 and how that has affected her in terms of her public image. 946 00:52:05,731 --> 00:52:09,604 She went on to write several more children's books, 947 00:52:09,735 --> 00:52:12,172 includingYacov and the Seven Thieves. 948 00:52:12,303 --> 00:52:14,566 So my throat is a bit sore, 949 00:52:14,696 --> 00:52:16,785 and I'm supposed to actually not be talking to very much 950 00:52:16,916 --> 00:52:18,483 'cause I have a concert tomorrow, 951 00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:21,660 so Lola has volunteered to read the story to you. 952 00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:26,273 Once upon a time, the rose... 953 00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:33,759 In 2003 came Madonna's ninth studio album 954 00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:35,152 American Life. 955 00:52:35,282 --> 00:52:37,415 With only 4 million in sales, 956 00:52:37,545 --> 00:52:40,461 it was the lowest-selling album of her career. 957 00:52:40,592 --> 00:52:44,030 And a few less successful singles emerged later. 958 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,901 She had a couple of huge flops. 959 00:52:46,032 --> 00:52:50,341 American Lifewas first and foremost the biggest flop of them all. 960 00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:53,431 That's the song where she tries to rap. 961 00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:56,738 And it went about as well as you might imagine. 962 00:52:56,869 --> 00:52:59,306 ♪ I'm drinkin' a soy latte I get a double shotte ♪ 963 00:52:59,437 --> 00:53:01,917 ♪ It goes right through my body And you know I'm satisfied ♪ 964 00:53:02,048 --> 00:53:05,007 Madonna's 10th album Confessions on a Dance Floor 965 00:53:05,138 --> 00:53:08,228 was released in 2005. 966 00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:10,274 [Parker] Confessions on a Dance Floor from 2005 967 00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:13,755 was probably, in my opinion, the last great Madonna record. 968 00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:16,889 We'll see how the new one is, but that was, I think, her last real great record. 969 00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:20,066 And in a way, it was a full-circle achievement . 970 00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:23,896 American Lifehad been kind of a misstep of her trying to be all political, 971 00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:27,291 and she got back to, actually, what she did in the beginning, 972 00:53:27,421 --> 00:53:30,163 her dance roots, her Danceteria roots. 973 00:53:30,294 --> 00:53:32,905 ♪ Every little thing that you say or do ♪ 974 00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:34,689 ♪ I'm hung up 975 00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,301 ♪ I'm hung up on you 976 00:53:37,431 --> 00:53:39,564 Her last great single was "Hung Up", 977 00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:42,044 which sampled "Gimme! "Gimme! "Gimme! [A Man After Midnight]" by ABBA. 978 00:53:42,175 --> 00:53:43,394 Brilliantly sampled that. 979 00:53:52,664 --> 00:53:57,451 At that point, she had kind of gotten a reputation as being very self-serious. 980 00:53:57,582 --> 00:54:01,542 And Confessions on a Dance Floortried-- 981 00:54:01,673 --> 00:54:04,850 It was designed to be similar to a DJ mix. 982 00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:09,507 And "Hung Up" was one of her biggest hits in a long time. 983 00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:16,165 ♪ I can't keep on wait... 984 00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:17,993 ♪ But it'll be too late 985 00:54:18,124 --> 00:54:21,388 ♪ Every little thing that you say or do ♪ 986 00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,652 It was a number one song in, I believe, in forty-plus countries, 987 00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:27,786 which made it the most widespread number one single in pop history. 988 00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:38,623 In 2006, Madonna hit the headlines once again 989 00:54:38,753 --> 00:54:41,626 when she funded an orphanage in Malawi, East Africa, 990 00:54:41,756 --> 00:54:44,106 and went on to adopt a boy from the country. 991 00:54:44,237 --> 00:54:47,414 His name was David Banda. 992 00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:52,027 2008 proved another momentous year for the goddess of pop, 993 00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:53,899 not all of it good. 994 00:54:54,029 --> 00:54:58,338 Things were not going well in the Ritchie household. 995 00:54:58,469 --> 00:55:00,732 [Pearson] Madonna and Guy fought a lot. 996 00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:03,430 They had a very difficult relationship, 997 00:55:03,561 --> 00:55:06,825 and I've actually been around them when they were fighting, 998 00:55:06,955 --> 00:55:09,784 and what was interesting was the way that they fought 999 00:55:09,915 --> 00:55:13,484 was very much the way like 14-year-old boys would fight, 1000 00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:16,313 like, "No, you're stupid." "No, you're stupid." 1001 00:55:16,443 --> 00:55:22,884 It was the most adolescent dynamic I have ever seen in a relationship in my life. 1002 00:55:23,015 --> 00:55:27,280 I think what drew Madonna to Guy was like a lot of strong women. 1003 00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,456 She was looking for someone who was her equal, 1004 00:55:29,587 --> 00:55:31,893 who matched her, who wasn't intimidated by her. 1005 00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:36,637 And I think Guy's very English upbringing allowed him to be very reserved 1006 00:55:36,768 --> 00:55:41,250 and certainly not to show visibly that he thought she was cool or impressive. 1007 00:55:41,381 --> 00:55:43,340 Madonna was really drawn to that. 1008 00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:47,735 I think Guy mirrored at lot of her own father's demeanor and behavior 1009 00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:51,478 in the sense that he was cold, he was remote, he didn't give praise easily. 1010 00:55:51,609 --> 00:55:54,916 Madonna was very attracted to that, but later, of course, 1011 00:55:55,047 --> 00:55:58,355 I think she felt very hurt by the fact that he wasn't more supportive 1012 00:55:58,485 --> 00:56:00,922 or more complimentary of her efforts. 1013 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:10,105 That same year, Madonna had to face the release of aNew York Times' bestseller 1014 00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:15,067 written by her brother and once-close confidant Christopher Ciccone 1015 00:56:15,197 --> 00:56:16,764 calledLiving with Madonna. 1016 00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:19,941 It revealed some unsavory stories about her. 1017 00:56:20,072 --> 00:56:22,857 But despite all this, Christopher remained adamant 1018 00:56:22,988 --> 00:56:26,295 that he held no ill will towards his sister. 1019 00:56:26,426 --> 00:56:29,821 There's no venom in this book. None whatsoever. 1020 00:56:29,951 --> 00:56:32,650 I have to face myself every day 1021 00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:35,043 when I wake up and look myself in the mirror, 1022 00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,916 and I do that with-- 1023 00:56:38,046 --> 00:56:41,136 I can do that with honor and respect held intact. 1024 00:56:41,267 --> 00:56:45,097 It became clear from the book and to subsequent interviews 1025 00:56:45,227 --> 00:56:47,012 that there was no love lost 1026 00:56:47,142 --> 00:56:50,798 between Christopher and Madonna's husband Guy Ritchie. 1027 00:56:50,929 --> 00:56:55,368 I don't dislike Guy Ritchie. He disappoints me as a human being, 1028 00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:58,240 but I don't dislike him, you know. 1029 00:56:58,371 --> 00:57:00,286 It's my sister's husband, 1030 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,724 and I have no intention of getting in between that. 1031 00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:08,120 As far as him being a wedge between us, 1032 00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:11,471 his insecurities led him to behave a certain way with me. 1033 00:57:11,602 --> 00:57:13,647 We were very close, her and I, 1034 00:57:13,778 --> 00:57:17,434 and that was not an easy thing for him. 1035 00:57:17,564 --> 00:57:21,350 Is he homophobic? Probably. 1036 00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:25,703 But I think the combination of what I was to my sister 1037 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:28,314 connected with the way that I have sex 1038 00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:30,925 is, was difficult for him to deal with. 1039 00:57:31,056 --> 00:57:34,276 And, you know, it was, as Rupert Everett said, 1040 00:57:34,407 --> 00:57:37,323 sort of, you know, me or him. 1041 00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:40,282 Not long after the book's release, 1042 00:57:40,413 --> 00:57:43,460 Madonna announced that she and Guy were officially divorcing 1043 00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:46,245 after eight years of marriage. 1044 00:57:48,726 --> 00:57:50,728 Throughout the pain of Madonna's divorce, 1045 00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:53,470 Lourdes, or "Lola" as she's now known, 1046 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,560 became even closer to her mother. 1047 00:57:56,690 --> 00:58:02,000 Madonna was always a very active mother and a very strong mother, 1048 00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:05,525 but then I think as she went through her divorce from Guy Ritchie, 1049 00:58:05,656 --> 00:58:10,574 she began to depend more and more on her then, I think, 12 or 13-year-old daughter. 1050 00:58:10,704 --> 00:58:14,403 Their relationship now definitely resembles more two girlfriends 1051 00:58:14,534 --> 00:58:16,057 than it does mother and daughter, 1052 00:58:16,188 --> 00:58:19,626 If you look at Lola's life, she's growing up so fast. 1053 00:58:19,757 --> 00:58:22,237 She has a clothing range, a clothing line. 1054 00:58:22,368 --> 00:58:24,762 She had a cameo in her mother's movie W.E. 1055 00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:26,720 She's been in Madonna's music video. 1056 00:58:26,851 --> 00:58:28,548 She's at a performing arts school. 1057 00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,463 She clearly wants to be a performer, 1058 00:58:30,594 --> 00:58:34,554 and it looks like Madonna's almost morphing from this performer herself 1059 00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:38,123 into probably the stage mother from hell. 1060 00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:43,432 But she's getting to kind of vicariously, I think, relive some things through Lourdes. 1061 00:58:49,351 --> 00:58:51,832 As she approached her 50th birthday, 1062 00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:54,705 Madonna found herself in Malawi's high court, 1063 00:58:54,835 --> 00:59:00,275 defending claims that she had flaunted the adoption laws in the country over David Banda. 1064 00:59:00,406 --> 00:59:02,800 I went to Malawi in Africa 1065 00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:07,631 thinking that I was going to save children's lives 1066 00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:10,721 and make a big difference in their lives, 1067 00:59:10,851 --> 00:59:13,419 and I was going to affect change in their lives. 1068 00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:17,031 And hopefully I have, but the surprise to me 1069 00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:20,644 was how much they changed me. 1070 00:59:20,774 --> 00:59:24,822 This adoption essentially created-- 1071 00:59:24,952 --> 00:59:27,912 It was the beginning of the creation of adoption laws in Malawi. 1072 00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:31,263 Up until this time, there wasn't an adoption law. 1073 00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:35,484 So consequently I was sort of the template 1074 00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:39,576 or the role model, so to speak, for future adoptions. 1075 00:59:39,706 --> 00:59:43,014 But she won the case and later went on to adopt another Malawi child, 1076 00:59:43,144 --> 00:59:45,843 Mercy James. 1077 00:59:45,973 --> 00:59:47,845 It was a tough time for me-- I won't lie-- 1078 00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:50,891 because the whole adoption period, you know, 1079 00:59:51,022 --> 00:59:54,765 going through the bureaucracy of it and everything was exhausting, 1080 00:59:54,895 --> 00:59:57,506 and then, you know, to have to go there 1081 00:59:57,637 --> 01:00:00,292 and see the palpable suffering of the children 1082 01:00:00,422 --> 01:00:03,338 and to feel like you were doing something good, 1083 01:00:03,469 --> 01:00:06,124 and then to come home to everyone screaming and outraged 1084 01:00:06,254 --> 01:00:08,779 and accusing you of kidnapping. 1085 01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:10,737 You know, it hurt, I have to say. 1086 01:00:10,868 --> 01:00:15,873 But you know, time has gone by, 1087 01:00:16,003 --> 01:00:20,355 and I can look back at it and say, "Well, you know, people didn't understand, 1088 01:00:20,486 --> 01:00:23,881 and often people jump to conclusions, and they're not educated, 1089 01:00:24,011 --> 01:00:25,796 and they don't know what's going on." 1090 01:00:25,926 --> 01:00:30,322 And I knew eventually that people would understand the story 1091 01:00:30,452 --> 01:00:35,153 and you know, obviously I had to go through that as well. 1092 01:00:35,283 --> 01:00:38,330 It all worked out okay in the end. 1093 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:40,462 [Reporter] How does it feel to back in Malawi, Madonna? 1094 01:00:40,593 --> 01:00:41,681 Amazing! 1095 01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:51,735 That same year, Madonna released a third greatest hits albumCelebration, 1096 01:00:51,865 --> 01:00:55,347 which became her 11th number one album in the U.K. 1097 01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:57,392 She now tied with Elvis Presley 1098 01:00:57,523 --> 01:01:01,570 as the solo act with most number one albums in the country. 1099 01:01:05,705 --> 01:01:08,882 In 2011, Madonna stepped back into the movie business, 1100 01:01:09,013 --> 01:01:12,756 this time as a co-writer director onW.E. 1101 01:01:12,886 --> 01:01:16,585 It told the story of American divorcee Wallis Simpson, 1102 01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,023 who brought the British monarchy to its knees 1103 01:01:19,153 --> 01:01:21,155 when she won the heart of King Edward VIII, 1104 01:01:21,286 --> 01:01:23,636 and he was forced to abdicate. 1105 01:01:23,767 --> 01:01:26,421 The movie received mixed reviews. 1106 01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:29,816 [Pearson] Basically all the reviews have been universally bad, 1107 01:01:29,947 --> 01:01:34,212 apart from the fact that they've said, in terms of the artistic direction, 1108 01:01:34,342 --> 01:01:37,171 basically like she was making a music video, it looks good, 1109 01:01:37,302 --> 01:01:41,262 but everything else-- the script, how the movie flows-- 1110 01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:45,353 there's a lot anachronistic stuff where stuff from out of time, you know, 1111 01:01:45,484 --> 01:01:48,400 they've got Wallis Simpson dancing to some punk song from The Cure, 1112 01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:51,142 stuff like that that Madonna thought was very edgy 1113 01:01:51,272 --> 01:01:54,145 has been universally reviled by critics. 1114 01:01:56,974 --> 01:01:59,367 Today, despite her increasing years, 1115 01:01:59,498 --> 01:02:03,371 Madonna's live performances are legendary. 1116 01:02:03,502 --> 01:02:06,505 As a live performer, she is fantastic. 1117 01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:09,726 I had the privilege of going to a very small concert she held. 1118 01:02:09,856 --> 01:02:14,382 I was in a VIP area standing next to Guy Ritchie, and we were very close to the stage. 1119 01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:18,082 At the time, she was fantastic. 1120 01:02:18,212 --> 01:02:21,041 A lot of energy. She really commands the room. 1121 01:02:21,172 --> 01:02:24,262 In fact, she reminded me of Oprah Winfrey in a strange way 1122 01:02:24,392 --> 01:02:26,438 because I've been in a situation with Oprah as well, 1123 01:02:26,568 --> 01:02:29,746 and she just has to stand there and say anything banal, 1124 01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:31,878 and the whole audience is riveted. 1125 01:02:32,009 --> 01:02:34,838 Madonna has that same commanding presence. 1126 01:02:34,968 --> 01:02:36,317 They remind me of each other. 1127 01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:38,885 And she just had the audience in the palm of her hand 1128 01:02:39,016 --> 01:02:40,539 from the minute she came on the stage. 1129 01:02:47,241 --> 01:02:51,158 Her most recent live performance was at the Super Bowl in 2012, 1130 01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:55,684 where she wowed an audience of over 114 million viewers 1131 01:02:55,815 --> 01:03:00,777 with her highly energetic and ever raunchy routine. 1132 01:03:00,907 --> 01:03:02,474 ♪ Look around 1133 01:03:02,604 --> 01:03:04,824 ♪ Everywhere you turn is heartache ♪ 1134 01:03:04,955 --> 01:03:09,307 ♪ It's everywhere that you go ♪ 1135 01:03:09,437 --> 01:03:12,701 I thought Madonna's performance at the Super Bowl was a great spectacle. 1136 01:03:12,832 --> 01:03:15,879 It's a great show, which is what Madonna is famous for. 1137 01:03:16,009 --> 01:03:19,143 If you looked at the way the stage was lit and all kinds of-- 1138 01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:22,886 You know, amazing graphics and visuals and dancers and choreography. 1139 01:03:23,016 --> 01:03:24,322 It was very well done. 1140 01:03:24,452 --> 01:03:28,065 [Gambaccini] There was, for example, this man on a tightrope. 1141 01:03:28,195 --> 01:03:30,284 There's a particular name for what he did, 1142 01:03:30,415 --> 01:03:35,289 and he's the first person to get national television doing that 1143 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:39,467 because she was clever enough to spot, "Hmm. This is new. 1144 01:03:39,598 --> 01:03:43,341 Get him to do this tightrope thing, dance on a tightrope." 1145 01:03:46,779 --> 01:03:49,608 ♪ Dance with me, baby 1146 01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:52,567 [Gambaccini] She knew that M.I.A. was of a different ethnicity, 1147 01:03:52,698 --> 01:03:55,962 so that would expand the audience, as Nicki Minaj did. 1148 01:03:56,093 --> 01:03:57,485 And she knew she was controversial 1149 01:03:57,616 --> 01:04:01,098 because that's how they became famous in the United States 1150 01:04:01,228 --> 01:04:02,751 was through controversy. 1151 01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:09,149 ♪♪ [fast rapping] 1152 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,195 [Weiss] She had Nicki Minaj, she had M.I.A. there. 1153 01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:12,674 Those were her handpicked kind of children. 1154 01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:14,851 You know, it was kind of a slap in the face. 1155 01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:17,984 I think Lady Gaga and I'm sure Katy Perry would've killed to have had that, 1156 01:04:18,115 --> 01:04:22,423 but it's interesting that Madonna picked Nicki Minaj and M.I.A., 1157 01:04:22,554 --> 01:04:25,470 and I think if you really want to study her career, that's not surprising at all 1158 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,777 because she identified all the stuff that she was taking 1159 01:04:28,908 --> 01:04:34,218 was from African-American, you know, Caribbean culture. 1160 01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:35,393 She was taking all of these different things. 1161 01:04:35,523 --> 01:04:38,875 You have somebody like M.I.A. who's originally from Sri Lanka, 1162 01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:41,181 and her dad was Tamil Tiger. 1163 01:04:41,312 --> 01:04:44,097 She's a rebel, and she's flipping off the camera, whether that was planned or not. 1164 01:04:44,228 --> 01:04:46,795 You have Nicki Minaj, who's from Queens. 1165 01:04:46,926 --> 01:04:50,277 She's a rapper, she's a girl, and she's still stealing everything from-- 1166 01:04:50,408 --> 01:04:52,018 I mean, everyone steals everything from Madonna. 1167 01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:55,065 If you saw Nicki Minaj's recent Grammy performance, 1168 01:04:55,195 --> 01:04:56,805 you know, she going against the Catholic Church. 1169 01:04:56,936 --> 01:04:59,286 The funny thing about it was everyone, you know, 1170 01:04:59,417 --> 01:05:01,506 there was a priest there, and she was playing all these different things, 1171 01:05:01,636 --> 01:05:04,030 and she's going wild, and she's doing these sexual things, 1172 01:05:04,161 --> 01:05:08,208 and you're supposed to be like, "Oh, my God. That's so awful." 1173 01:05:08,339 --> 01:05:12,386 But it's not awful because, like, everyone saw that 20 years ago. 1174 01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:15,520 ♪♪ [rapping] 1175 01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:18,175 [Pearson] When M.I.A., you know, gave the middle finger, 1176 01:05:18,305 --> 01:05:19,872 it really irritated Madonna. 1177 01:05:20,003 --> 01:05:21,743 She said she felt it was unnecessary. 1178 01:05:21,874 --> 01:05:23,615 The energy had been so positive. 1179 01:05:23,745 --> 01:05:26,444 But let's be honest. That's not the reason. 1180 01:05:26,574 --> 01:05:29,273 The reason it irritated Madonna is that people were talking 1181 01:05:29,403 --> 01:05:34,452 about that obscene gesture the next day instead of Madonna's performance. 1182 01:05:34,582 --> 01:05:37,411 If anybody's gonna shock, if anybody's gonna provoke, 1183 01:05:37,542 --> 01:05:39,239 it has to be her. 1184 01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:41,981 If you looked at her alone, 1185 01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:44,810 uh, the voice, some of the dance moves, 1186 01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:49,423 the fact that she was actually holding cheerleading pompoms at one point 1187 01:05:49,554 --> 01:05:51,425 was a little bit silly. 1188 01:05:51,556 --> 01:05:52,687 ♪ Gimme all your lovin' 1189 01:05:52,818 --> 01:05:54,472 ♪ Gimme your love 1190 01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:58,432 ♪ Gimme all your love today 1191 01:05:58,563 --> 01:06:03,263 I think there is a fine line between being an older woman 1192 01:06:03,394 --> 01:06:07,876 and being a fantastically sexy performer and looking ridiculous. 1193 01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:10,705 And I think at points she carried it off 1194 01:06:10,836 --> 01:06:12,577 when she came in as the gladiator, 1195 01:06:12,707 --> 01:06:17,538 then at other points when she was a cheerleader, it did look a little bit silly. 1196 01:06:17,669 --> 01:06:21,499 Nonetheless it put her single into the top ten for the first week. 1197 01:06:26,286 --> 01:06:29,463 Incredibly, her latest albumMDNA 1198 01:06:29,594 --> 01:06:32,466 reached number one in 43 countries 1199 01:06:32,597 --> 01:06:35,992 through iTunes preorder before it was even released. 1200 01:06:36,122 --> 01:06:38,907 First of all, the title MDNA is amazing. 1201 01:06:39,038 --> 01:06:42,694 It's a very clever title, and it also gives a nod to rave culture 1202 01:06:42,824 --> 01:06:46,350 and shows that she's again going in the dancey direction. 1203 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,917 And "Gimme All Your Luvin" is the new single. 1204 01:06:49,048 --> 01:06:51,398 It has M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj. 1205 01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:54,662 ♪ I see you comin' and I don't wanna know your name ♪ 1206 01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:57,622 ♪ L-U-V Madonna 1207 01:06:57,752 --> 01:06:59,754 Madonna's very good about surrounding herself 1208 01:06:59,885 --> 01:07:03,367 with people that are young and cool and will get her attention. 1209 01:07:03,497 --> 01:07:05,630 She's done duets with Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, 1210 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,414 people like that. 1211 01:07:07,545 --> 01:07:10,374 [Cohen] It was a way for her to just kind of re-establish, like, 1212 01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:13,942 "Hey, um, I'm still the queen of all this stuff." 1213 01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:26,172 Ever contentious, Madonna's love life continues to fascinate 1214 01:07:26,303 --> 01:07:29,088 an ever-greedy and voracious media. 1215 01:07:29,219 --> 01:07:32,526 Most recently, she's been linked with much younger men 1216 01:07:32,657 --> 01:07:36,356 like 26-year-old Brazilian model Jesus Luz 1217 01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:39,403 and 25-year-old Brahim Zaibat. 1218 01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:42,449 You name a big male star of the late 20th century, 1219 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,670 and Madonna probably had some affiliation with him in some way. 1220 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,283 And if not, he wanted it, you know, because she took men like trophies. 1221 01:07:57,377 --> 01:08:00,424 Despite being the most famous woman in the world, 1222 01:08:00,554 --> 01:08:04,558 Madonna still manages to lead a fairly private personal life. 1223 01:08:04,689 --> 01:08:06,821 So what is she really like? 1224 01:08:06,952 --> 01:08:08,780 [Pearson] When you meet Madonna, the first thing that strikes you 1225 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:11,609 and kind of shocks you is how little she is. 1226 01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:15,961 She has this larger-than-life persona and this huge iconic reputation, 1227 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:21,140 and so when you see this woman who's barely 5'4", this tiny little figure, 1228 01:08:21,271 --> 01:08:25,623 you find it hard to believe that so much power came out of such a small being. 1229 01:08:25,753 --> 01:08:29,105 Madonna is not particularly warm or friendly. 1230 01:08:29,235 --> 01:08:31,846 There's kind of a frostiness about her, 1231 01:08:31,977 --> 01:08:35,502 and you have to work for it, you know, to get her approval. 1232 01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:38,026 She notoriously hard on people. 1233 01:08:38,157 --> 01:08:43,031 She expects her staff to be available to her at all hours, day or night, 1234 01:08:43,162 --> 01:08:45,251 for whatever she needs or desires. 1235 01:08:45,382 --> 01:08:47,819 Additionally she expects them to be in good shape. 1236 01:08:47,949 --> 01:08:52,650 She expects everyone to take care of themselves or else. 1237 01:08:52,780 --> 01:08:55,522 But at the same time, I don't think her standards 1238 01:08:55,653 --> 01:08:58,395 are any less on herself than they are on other people. 1239 01:08:58,525 --> 01:09:03,704 She's a classic perfectionist, and she demands that kind of stuff from everyone around her. 1240 01:09:03,835 --> 01:09:05,837 [Weiss] Another thing about Madonna was like never into drugs. 1241 01:09:05,967 --> 01:09:07,578 She never really drank. She would drink ginger ale. 1242 01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,667 And I think people thought she was weird. 1243 01:09:09,797 --> 01:09:12,409 And I think it probably strikes back to the fact that she never wanted to be out of control. 1244 01:09:12,539 --> 01:09:16,456 She never wanted to feel weak or imperiled. 1245 01:09:16,587 --> 01:09:19,285 And when you drink or you smoke, it's to lose yourself, 1246 01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:23,159 and I think the story of Madonna is somebody who loves herself. 1247 01:09:23,289 --> 01:09:25,639 [Pearson] I know someone who had a meeting with Madonna not too long ago, 1248 01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:29,252 and she arrived in her pajamas. She just doesn't care. 1249 01:09:29,382 --> 01:09:32,080 Another thing about Madonna is a lot of people don't realize 1250 01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,301 all her friends and family, they never call her Madonna. 1251 01:09:35,432 --> 01:09:37,085 It's always "M," so it'll be like, 1252 01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:39,827 "Well, where's M? What time is M getting home? 1253 01:09:39,958 --> 01:09:41,089 Are you at M's house?" 1254 01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:44,267 It's kind of her personal nickname. 1255 01:09:44,397 --> 01:09:47,313 Madonna actually doesn't really like the "Maj" nickname. 1256 01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:50,621 That came from the British tabloids: Her Majesty. 1257 01:09:50,751 --> 01:09:52,275 I've been told she actually hates it. 1258 01:09:52,405 --> 01:09:56,104 I'm quite positive that although she's called that frequently in the press, 1259 01:09:56,235 --> 01:09:58,716 nobody would dare to call her that to her face. 1260 01:10:03,547 --> 01:10:05,766 [Parker] People have been wondering what the future holds for Madonna forever. 1261 01:10:05,897 --> 01:10:09,770 I remember when she turned 30, people were like, "How long can she keep doing this?" 1262 01:10:09,901 --> 01:10:12,295 When she turned 40, it was like, "Come on, you're already 40. 1263 01:10:12,425 --> 01:10:13,513 Can she still keep doing this?" 1264 01:10:13,644 --> 01:10:16,299 Now 50's behind her. She's 53 years old, 1265 01:10:16,429 --> 01:10:18,126 and she's about to release another album, 1266 01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:20,085 and she already has a song that's a top 40 song, 1267 01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:22,566 and she's collaborating with Nicki Minaj. 1268 01:10:22,696 --> 01:10:25,525 What does the future hold for Madonna? I don't think she's ever gonna stop. 1269 01:10:25,656 --> 01:10:30,138 At the end of the day, I love fancy clothes and sparkling diamonds 1270 01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:33,359 and parties and dressing up 1271 01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:34,926 and, you know, all of those things, 1272 01:10:35,056 --> 01:10:37,929 but I don't need them to be happy, and I never did. 1273 01:10:39,887 --> 01:10:42,281 [Pearson] She will never stop trying to be the best. 1274 01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:45,241 She will never stop trying to stay on top. 1275 01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:49,157 Her ambition apparently knows no bounds. 1276 01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:54,206 I don't see Madonna ever stopping until nobody wants to go see her anymore. 1277 01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:57,383 You know, her tickets, very controversial for her new tour, 1278 01:10:57,514 --> 01:11:00,560 is something like $300. And when she was asked, 1279 01:11:00,691 --> 01:11:04,738 "How do you justify, in this economy, asking these kind of prices?" 1280 01:11:04,869 --> 01:11:07,828 And she said simply, "I'm worth it." 1281 01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:10,918 And I think as long as she has that kind of confidence, 1282 01:11:11,049 --> 01:11:12,833 that kind of self-belief, 1283 01:11:12,964 --> 01:11:17,925 and that kind of, you know, incredible ability to captivate a room, 1284 01:11:18,056 --> 01:11:19,057 she's gonna keep going. 108356

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