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It was a beautiful morning
when I received the phone call.
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I did not understand
what was going on.
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A shocking murder
no one saw coming.
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Execution-style shootings
are very unusual
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in orange county.
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In fountain valley,
it was no exaggeration to say
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this was a turning point.
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It became a test to
the safety of the community.
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A similar crime unearths
even more questions.
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What possibly could be
the connection?
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It made no sense at all.
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Fountain valley was unable
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to identify anything.
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It was a dead end.
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That person is
out there somewhere.
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As two vicious acts of violence
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threaten this picture-perfect
community,
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any wrong turns
could be deadly.
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They got themselves caught up
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with a guy that was very evil.
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When I first
got to orange county,
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I thought that there was
a certain
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"Stepford" quality to it.
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Fountain valley is one of those
California communities
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that has a sort of master plan,
cookie-cutter feel.
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These communities are
planned meticulously,
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and they're laid out on a grid.
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A local joke the cops say
is that,
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if you go home drunk,
make sure that,
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when you walk in the house,
you're walking in the right one.
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Orange county's
best-kept secret.
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A community designed
and built around
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an idealistic vision
of o.C. Perfection.
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A place where families rising
through the upper middle class
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can claim their own perfect
piece of the California dream.
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Jane and al carver.
Found their place here,
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living out a sun-kissed
fairy tale
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with a big house, happy kids,
great friends.
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All part of the master plan.
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This is my dad and my mom
on their wedding day.
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My parents were
very much in love,
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and... and-and also
very much opposite.
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My dad, he was director
of operations
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at a health care company,
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and my mom became a flight
attendant out of Los Angeles.
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My dad was more of
a conservative-minded...
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"Take the caution" approach.
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And my mom was
a little bit more
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adventurous, and I think that
that balance
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in their personalities
attracted each other.
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Jane carver. Was my best friend.
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We met in stew school
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in 1969.
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We all started flying together
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the same year,
with united airlines.
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Janie just was fun and spunky
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and easy to work with.
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The group of US got nicknamed
"the ya-yas"
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'cause we flew together so much.
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We just had a good time.
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People were just drawn
to Janie because she had this
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twinkle in her eye
that drew people in.
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Most all of our friends
lived in fountain valley,
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so we drove to work together,
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and we made plans
with our families.
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She was just an incredible mom.
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Really fun-loving
and laughing all the time
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and joking and, like,
just making the best of life.
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You could watch from the outside
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and just be like,
"wow, she's got it."
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We traveled a lot.
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I can recall
going to Hong Kong.
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We went to Europe.
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She was very spontaneous
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in her approach to travel.
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If we were studying
the presidents or the capitals
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or something like that,
and she was working
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and going on a trip
to Washington, D.C.,
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she was like, "hey, we're gonna
skip school today,
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and I'm gonna go show you
the real thing, so let's go."
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Running was her escape.
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She always wanted
to be on the go.
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She didn't sit much.
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Jane just enjoyed life.
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The carver.S couldn't know
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that their master plan
for the good life
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was about to go horribly wrong.
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June 10, 1995,
the carver.S wake up.
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Jane goes for a run,
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and she runs right into
a nightmare.
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Jane is about a block from home,
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and then suddenly
she's confronted.
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A man appears out of nowhere
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and shoots her in the face.
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Kim
there was one shot,
she falls down,
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and this man looks briefly,
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turns around and gets back
in his car and drives off.
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And there are witnesses
across the street
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that can hardly believe
what happened.
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Witnesses describe the gunman
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as being very calm
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and sort of casual.
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Al carver. Hears
the sirens coming...
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...and he steps outside his home
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trying to figure out
what's going on.
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Jane carver. Was so close
to being
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back at the house from her run
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that the crime scene is within
yards of their front door.
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I received a phone call
from al carver.,
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who was choking up on the phone.
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It was hard to understand
what he was saying,
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that Jane had been shot.
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I ran around the corner.
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Al was just-just a mess.
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You could read the pain
on his face.
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He just looked at me
and he said,
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"she's gone.
She's really gone."
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I heard it on the police scanner
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and came to the scene.
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It was a lot of commotion,
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and I was trying
to take it all in.
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People were still talking about
a gunman on the loose.
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It was hard to fathom the fact
that someone would
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walk up and basically
execute this woman
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in broad daylight.
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A well-traveled street.
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And all of a sudden,
that sense of safety
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in the community
is absolutely shattered.
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There wasn't much to go on
at the time, evidence-wise.
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We had to rely on what
the witness statements were.
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There are six witnesses
at the scene
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who describe the gunman,
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and their descriptions are
fairly consistent.
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The suspect was wearing
a brown or tweed sportscoat
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with a high-neck shirt
and dark pants.
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He's between 30 and 40,
receding hairline.
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We had a forensic artist
that we typically used,
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and she came in
and did the composites
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with two witnesses.
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The car was a 1978 to 1984
two-door hatchback.
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It was white.
And at that time,
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we went and searched,
but we didn't find
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the suspect or the car.
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We collected one bullet casing
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at the scene.
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There was very little evidence.
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The crime just doesn't add up.
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She wasn't robbed.
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There was nothing here
that explained why
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this woman had been shot.
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In an instant,
this sunny Saturday morning
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became the worst day
in the carver.S' lives,
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and would change this
o.C. Enclave forever.
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Justin had been asleep
through this whole thing.
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He was 14 at the time.
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And that just broke my heart.
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I-I couldn't imagine
how al could possibly
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tell Justin that
about his mother.
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It was like a dream to me.
-It was really...
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Your life is changed like that.
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It was a tough day.
A really tough day.
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I was 20 years old,
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and I was a sophomore
at Oregon state university.
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I got that phone call,
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and I felt like I was racing
to the airport,
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but I felt like I couldn't
drive fast enough.
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Everything was in slow motion.
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Why would that happen?
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Why would anybody
shoot Janie, of all people?
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This didn't make any sense
at all.
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In a tight-knit haven
like fountain valley,
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the best resource
could be the friends
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she held in closest confidence.
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Perhaps there was
some secret conflict brewing
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beneath the perfect
orange county surface
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presented by the carver.S.
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You can't assume that anybody
is excluded initially.
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And that was my responsibility,
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to interview family and friends
because this was a large effort
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to try to find information.
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I had to ask al
in that initial interview
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did he have anything to do
with this murder?
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Did he know anybody who had
anything to do with it?
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He was devastated,
it was very clear,
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but we just didn't know.
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Al was very open
right from the beginning.
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There wasn't any question
that he didn't answer.
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His friends also corroborated
the fact that
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al was in his home
when this occurred.
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We were all in
a state of shock,
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not knowing what to do.
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The police came over,
and each one of US
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was interviewed individually.
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They just wanted to
get a sense on
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what we did that morning
and who Jane was.
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We tried to think
about something
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she might have said to US.
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Did she talk about anybody
on the plane bothering her?
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You know, any incident where
somebody was angry with her.
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But nothing.
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You couldn't even wrap your head
around the whole scenario.
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They have an idea what
the suspect looks like,
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but they don't know
what the motive could be.
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They were convinced it was
a contract hit.
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Even when you get to
the bottom of this mystery,
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there's another twist.
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A man had called her,
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and he was demanding to be paid.
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There's another shooting
that happens.
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This might have a connection.
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Jane carver.'S o.C. Dream
was cut short
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in a senseless execution,
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leaving everyone
in her community
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chasing the fragments of its
now-shattered perfection.
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Homicides don't happen
in fountain valley.
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Jane's murder was
the only one at that time
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in 1995.
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Could this idyllic place
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have forever veered
from its master plan?
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In the weeks after
Jane carver.'S murder,
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it was no exaggeration to say
this was a turning point.
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It became a test to
the reputation
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and the safety of the community.
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Everybody either knew
Jane carver. Or knew her name.
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The one thing nobody knew is:
Why was she dead?
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Fear spread as whispers
and speculation
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were at the tip
of every tongue
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and the top of every
news headline.
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Could it be someone Jane knew?
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Or if it was random,
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what or who could be next?
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From witness statements,
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we were told that this person
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had been seen parked
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in the area prior
to the incident.
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So therefore,
we considered that
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it could possibly be
a stalking situation.
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Was it some grudge
or secret relationship?
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Every single theory
was being thrown around.
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There was nothing ruled out.
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You really have to feel for
al carver., because, I mean,
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not only h-has he lost
his wife,
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he's also not oblivious
to the fact
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that people are looking at him
in a different way.
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They say there's a thin line
between love and hate,
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but there's an even thinner line
between marriage and murder.
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At one point, I was having lunch
in this deli, and there were
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two women talking
about the case,
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and they were convinced
it was a contract hit done by
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her husband.
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Al carver. Was an open book.
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Anything we needed to do
or asked of him,
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he was more than willing
to cooperate.
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He did take a polygraph
and he passed the polygraph.
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It was straightforward
and very uncomfortable,
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but it was something
that had to be done.
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Even though it's not
admissible in court,
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it did confirm my belief that
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al was not involved.
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We all knew that my dad
had nothing to do with it,
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but it was a process
we were willing to do.
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I mean, at that point,
we wanted answers,
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and all you can do is provide
as much as you can.
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And so the carver. Case
was becoming
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a true murder mystery
in the eyes of the public.
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As the pressure mounted,
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would they ever find justice
for Janie?
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The day of the funeral was
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packed house,
standing room only.
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We were there for support
for the family,
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and, it was difficult,
for all of US.
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You needed to kind of
just regroup
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and think about
what the heck just happened.
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And what-what do we do now?
What-what's life gonna be like?
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There was a void.
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But there were so many people
there to make sure
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that we were gonna be okay.
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We came back from the funeral
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and we were trying to figure out
what to do.
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How can we help fountain
valley police department
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solve this?
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They got a composite drawing,
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they got a face,
and then they got the car,
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but they don't have the guy.
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So everyone, like, decided,
"okay, let's print
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"thousands of these flyers
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and we're gonna blanket
orange county."
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Maybe we can get
some leads this way.
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Because so many people
wanted to help,
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I had to organize them
into groups.
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There were more
than were employed
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by the fountain valley
police department.
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About 100 people
met at mile square park
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to pick up flyers
bearing a composite sketch
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of carver.'S alleged killer
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and distribute them
to area businesses.
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They're sure someone out there
knows who he is.
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Friends of Jane
would stop at nothing
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to shake out this killer
and restore a sense of safety
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to their sunny streets.
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We would meet every Saturday
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and pick out certain areas.
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We would go door-to-door.
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We went to bars,
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we went to hair salons.
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E-Every place in the strip mall.
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Laundromats, it didn't matter.
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Anyone that would let US
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put up a flyer,
we were happy to do it.
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I mean, they got busy,
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and it was an impressive thing
to see.
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They started raising money,
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and the airline that Jane carver.
Had worked for
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kicked in $10,000
to help catch the killer.
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They wanted to get
to the bottom of this.
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The reward fund kept increasing
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and it went up to $45,000.
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We're talking 1995.
That's a lot of money.
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It was an amazing effort,
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and it was really cool to see
a community come together
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for our family.
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The support of our friends
and the community
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is really what's giving me
the strength,
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to, to keep going here.
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If crimes could be solved
by concern,
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the murder of Jane carver.
Would have been
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an open-and-shut case
within a day.
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You could have as much money
as you want,
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but in this case,
police couldn't even buy a clue.
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They had no leads at all.
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Yes, we were disappointed
because we felt
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that our hard work
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was just not
getting US anywhere.
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Time heals in one sense,
but until you catch the person,
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it-- time is worse.
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The thought crossed our minds:
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Is this maybe a cold case?
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This may never get solved.
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Ten months crawled by,
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and investigators were
no closer to any answers.
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But a case without answers
can often turn cold.
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The case does go cold
and it wanes.
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We were very hopeful
that we might
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get that one break to help US.
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On April 10, 1996,
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there's another shooting
that occurred in San clemente
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which appeared very similar
to our case with Jane carver..
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An individual was going
to his business
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and as he arrived,
he was met by someone
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who shot him one time
in the face and left the scene.
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Another investigator saw a flyer
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and thought it appeared
to have an m.O. Very similar
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00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,734
to our case with Jane carver..
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The random murder of Jane carver.
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Had shaken a perfectly planned
o.C. Community
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and left friends, family
and investigators
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seeking elusive answers.
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But a similar attack
in south orange county
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was about to rock
its foundation to the core.
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Ten months
after Jane carver.'S murder,
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something
interesting happens.
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About 30 miles south,
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investigators are looking
into another act of violence.
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On April 10, 1996,
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I responded to the city
of San clemente shortly after
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a subject by the name
of James wengert
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had been shot in the face
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and surprisingly survived.
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The suspect did not ask
for money.
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In fact, said nothing
to wengert but instead
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shot him in the face
without comment or warning.
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And then turned and left.
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Execution-style shooting is
very unusual in orange county.
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My lieutenant made
an off-the-cuff remark,
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the only one he could
recall had occurred
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almost a year earlier--
a jogger, Jane carver.--
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who had been killed
in fountain valley.
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When we were able
to interview him,
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James wengert immediately
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00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:39,991
focused our investigation on
someone that he had been having
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contentious business
dealings with
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by the name of Coleman Allen,
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and felt that that person
was responsible.
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James wengert was a businessman
and had no criminal record.
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But at the time
of James wengert's shooting,
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he had borrowed
a-a significant amount of money
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00:17:59,712 --> 00:18:02,914
from Cole Allen to try
and keep his business afloat.
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00:18:02,916 --> 00:18:06,751
Cole Allen had required wengert
to take out
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00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,454
a very large
life insurance policy
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that listed Cole Allen
as the beneficiary.
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And the amount
of the life insurance policy
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was almost three times
the amount owed.
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In any circumstance,
hearing someone is obtaining
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00:18:22,535 --> 00:18:26,037
life insurance policies
on people that owe them money,
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this set off some significant
alarm bells for US.
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This is the thing you see
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00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:34,946
on a television show
or read in a book,
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00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:37,648
but certainly not a crime
in orange county, California.
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Was it possible that Cole Allen
was behind two brutal crimes
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00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:48,392
that tore at the tailored
fabric of orange county?
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00:18:48,394 --> 00:18:51,562
Could Janie carver.'S shooting
have been a murder for hire?
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00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:54,265
And if so, how had she become
tangled up
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00:18:54,267 --> 00:18:57,468
in this nefarious plot?
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Two other law enforcement
agencies in southern California
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00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:04,375
had active investigations
targeting Cole Allen
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00:19:04,377 --> 00:19:07,778
for fraud and financial crimes
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in a very sophisticated way.
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Coleman Allen runs a company
called premium commercial
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00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,219
in huntington beach,
and this company
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00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:18,456
specializes in making loans,
often to small-business people.
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He did sell them a form of hope.
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00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:22,793
This would be, like,
a bridge loan to get them
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00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:25,463
up on their feet,
but with the high interest rates
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00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:28,599
that he charged and the payment
demands that he made,
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very quickly,
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hope turned into a nightmare.
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00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,474
There is an air of Tony soprano
to all this.
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It was very clear
when the money was due,
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00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:41,179
and it was also made clear
that if that money wasn't in,
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there was gonna be consequences.
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Cole Allen would use
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00:19:46,719 --> 00:19:48,986
the repayment of these loans
as a means
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00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:50,788
to blackmail his clients
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00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:54,125
in a very elaborate
loan-sharking scheme.
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So he would take out
insurance policies
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00:19:55,828 --> 00:19:57,328
on the people
who owed him money,
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and make himself and his company
the beneficiaries.
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00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:03,334
So now you have a situation
where someone is gonna spend
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00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:06,204
the rest of their life
paying this money.
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00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:07,505
And then when they're done
paying him,
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then they're gonna die.
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00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,575
And then they're gonna
pay him some more.
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That was one of the scams
435
00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,179
that signal hill
police department as well as
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00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:17,915
the Los Angeles police
department were looking at.
437
00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,551
Is Cole Allen
forcing his clients
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00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:23,054
to purchase life insurance
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00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,725
and then was he profiting by
having those clients murdered?
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00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:32,396
When we started
making arrangements
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00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,232
to go and interview Cole Allen,
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00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:38,002
we learned Cole Allen had died
of a massive heart attack
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00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:41,305
a couple of days before wengert
had in fact been shot.
444
00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:45,042
It was extremely frustrating.
445
00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:47,712
It raised more questions
than it provided answers.
446
00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:50,581
We still conducted searches
at his business
447
00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,783
to attempt to locate records
448
00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:55,419
that might lead US
to who might have
449
00:20:55,421 --> 00:20:58,122
shot James wengert.
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00:20:58,124 --> 00:21:01,259
As the investigation
uncovered a seedy motive
451
00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:03,661
in the cold-blooded attack
on wengert,
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00:21:03,663 --> 00:21:05,930
detectives couldn't help
but recognize
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00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:11,135
the overt similarities
to the murder of Jane carver..
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00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,471
We decided to reach out
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00:21:13,473 --> 00:21:15,606
to fountain valley
police department
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00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,742
and ask them to start checking
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00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,645
for any connections
between the carver. Family
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00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:24,081
and Cole Allen
or premium commercial.
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00:21:24,083 --> 00:21:26,851
There's enough on the surface
of the two shootings
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00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:28,419
that police are looking into
whether or not
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00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,154
there's a connection there.
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In both cases,
the attacker shot the victim
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00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:34,625
in the face before walking away.
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00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,261
This was something
that breathed a little air
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00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:39,964
back into the investigation.
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00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:44,101
There was talk that perhaps
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00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:45,803
the carver.S had
taken out a loan,
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00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:47,738
and that was not true.
469
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:50,274
I had never heard of Cole Allen
in my entire life.
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00:21:50,276 --> 00:21:53,477
What could possibly be
the connection there?
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00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:57,515
But the police thought
it was such an oddity.
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It actually led
to more questioning.
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00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,719
And, truthfully, it led
to a lot of disappointment.
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00:22:03,222 --> 00:22:05,656
Fountain valley was
unable to identify
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00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:08,726
anything that remotely linked
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00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,795
Jane carver. With Cole Allen.
477
00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,631
It was a dead end.
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00:22:13,633 --> 00:22:15,833
It seemed as if this lead
really had been snuffed out
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00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,902
before it could
even go anywhere.
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I mean, there's a little bit
of panic there.
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00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,975
We just didn't know
if it was ever gonna be solved.
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There's all
these different phases
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that you go through,
and anger was one of them.
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00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:32,016
Why US?
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00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:33,818
Why her?
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00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:36,554
Why US as a family?
487
00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:39,023
It was difficult, though,
because who are you angry with?
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00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:41,225
Besides... I guess, god?
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These feelings that we went
through, my dad and brother
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00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:46,197
and I...
It lasted weeks, months.
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00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:48,899
It was drawn out.
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00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:53,504
Kim brown, I remember her
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00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:58,342
giving US hope, saying,
"we will find this person.
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00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,845
You just have to be patient."
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00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:04,348
We believed Kim,
but our Patience was
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00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:08,352
really dwindling
and we needed closure.
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00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:10,554
Fountain valley residents
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00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,357
wondered if their perfection
could ever return.
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00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,227
But the lack of leads
in two horrific crimes
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00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:18,262
seemed to hold little promise.
501
00:23:18,264 --> 00:23:21,098
The Jane carver. Case
has gone cold.
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00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,934
And then the wengert attack,
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00:23:23,936 --> 00:23:25,436
especially
with the death of Cole Allen,
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00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:27,138
that's gone cold.
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00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:30,274
It doesn't look promising,
but then, something happens.
506
00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:33,344
Ten days after the shooting
of James wengert,
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00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:35,913
Cole Allen's widow gets
a phone call.
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00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:38,616
And the person that's
on the phone identifies himself
509
00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,384
as the triggerman.
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00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:43,354
The shooter believed
wengert had, in fact, died
511
00:23:43,356 --> 00:23:44,955
on that garage floor,
512
00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:48,426
and he was seeking payment,
as Cole was dead.
513
00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:53,063
Everything indicated that Cole
Allen likely hired someone
514
00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:56,100
to kill James wengert
for the life insurance payout.
515
00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:59,737
I needed to ascertain
who this person was.
516
00:23:59,739 --> 00:24:03,441
Who did Cole Allen hire
to shoot James wengert?
517
00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:19,390
The surprise death of
orange county's most dangerous
518
00:24:19,392 --> 00:24:22,626
loan shark, Cole Allen,
left detectives at a dead end.
519
00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,495
Jane carver.'S brutal execution
520
00:24:24,497 --> 00:24:28,098
and the near-fatal attempt
on James wengert's life
521
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,401
were like eerie mirrors
of each other.
522
00:24:30,403 --> 00:24:33,137
Was this a random reflection?
523
00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:37,141
Or did the surface match
reveal a deeper connection?
524
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:40,044
About ten days after
James wengert had been shot,
525
00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:44,381
Cole Allen's widow
contacted law enforcement
526
00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:47,151
to report that
a man had called her,
527
00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:51,455
indicated he shot someone
at the direction of Cole Allen,
528
00:24:51,457 --> 00:24:53,324
and he was demanding to be paid.
529
00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:57,194
The caller was identified
as Paul alleyne.
530
00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:02,333
We were able to find business
records from premium commercial
531
00:25:02,335 --> 00:25:04,635
that tied Paul alleyne
532
00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:06,937
directly to Cole Allen.
533
00:25:06,939 --> 00:25:09,473
Paul alleyne is a man
534
00:25:09,475 --> 00:25:11,208
who is in desperate straits.
535
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:13,978
Paul alleyne owns
an auto parts store and he also
536
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:15,980
owes money to Coleman Allen.
537
00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:17,615
He's borrowed $30,000
538
00:25:17,617 --> 00:25:22,186
with 36% interest
compounded annually.
539
00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:23,854
This is a man
who was under the gun.
540
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,489
Could Paul alleyne's
541
00:25:25,491 --> 00:25:27,291
insurmountable obligation
542
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:30,995
to Cole Allen have forced
his hand to commit murder?
543
00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:35,499
A debt forgiven in exchange
for an unforgivable act?
544
00:25:35,501 --> 00:25:39,270
We showed a photographic lineup
to James wengert,
545
00:25:39,272 --> 00:25:41,839
and he positively identified
546
00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:45,843
Paul alleyne as the person
who shot him in the face.
547
00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:47,845
Suddenly, things are
starting to make sense.
548
00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:49,179
Dots are being connected.
549
00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:51,148
They pick him up
and they bring him in.
550
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:53,517
They hope that Paul alleyne is
the key that's gonna unlock
551
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,519
the door to this case.
552
00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:57,354
During the interview
of Paul alleyne,
553
00:25:57,356 --> 00:26:00,291
he continued to deny
any involvement
554
00:26:00,293 --> 00:26:02,159
in the shooting
of James wengert.
555
00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:04,995
So I challenged him on that.
556
00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:06,530
And, in fact, told him,
557
00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:10,167
that James wengert had not died
on that garage floor.
558
00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:11,835
This got a visible reaction
559
00:26:11,837 --> 00:26:15,005
from alleyne,
who seemed to be surprised.
560
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,041
He composed himself
561
00:26:17,043 --> 00:26:19,577
rather quickly, and then said,
"well, it's a racial thing.
562
00:26:19,579 --> 00:26:23,213
US black guys must all look
alike to an old white dude."
563
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,583
It was then that I reminded him
564
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:28,786
I had never described
James wengert to him.
565
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,355
The only reason he knew he was
"an old white dude"
566
00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:35,059
was because he was the shooter.
567
00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:37,528
I concluded the interview,
while I went
568
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:39,229
out into the office and asked
569
00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,999
fountain valley to use
Paul alleyne's photograph
570
00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:45,035
in a lineup
with their witnesses.
571
00:26:45,037 --> 00:26:48,872
I was hopeful that if alleyne
was the person shooting
572
00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:52,343
James wengert for Cole Allen,
maybe he had been involved
573
00:26:52,345 --> 00:26:55,779
in shooting Jane carver.,
as well.
574
00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:58,449
It was a long shot,
but you have
575
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,051
to just touch
every base in hopes
576
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:03,287
that you find the right answers.
577
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:09,226
News gets back
to fountain valley
578
00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:11,662
about the arrest
of Paul alleyne.
579
00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:13,897
And hope surges-- this is what
people have been waiting for.
580
00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:15,899
This feels like
a break in the case.
581
00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:18,836
We were very hopeful that
this was our suspect, too.
582
00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:21,305
Unfortunately, Paul alleyne's
583
00:27:21,307 --> 00:27:24,308
picture and description
did not match our suspect.
584
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:29,847
It was disappointing.
585
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:32,816
He was not picked out
by the eyewitnesses
586
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:35,519
as the shooter of Jane carver..
587
00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:38,322
Back to square one
for fountain valley, and I
588
00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:40,691
had to prepare for
the prosecution of Paul alleyne
589
00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:42,026
for shooting wengert.
590
00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,330
The case consumes you.
591
00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:48,065
I'm thinking, "innocent victim,
592
00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:50,300
"mother of two children,
593
00:27:50,302 --> 00:27:51,835
"loved by everybody,
594
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:55,739
with absolutely
no reason to be killed."
595
00:27:55,741 --> 00:27:57,574
This guy has to be out there.
596
00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:59,777
He just has to be out there.
597
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:02,980
We as a family, we're also
598
00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:04,882
concerned that we never
find this person.
599
00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:09,019
Here is the angel pins
600
00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:11,622
that we got from one
of our friends.
601
00:28:11,624 --> 00:28:14,191
She brought them to everybody.
602
00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:16,293
Then we all started wearing
the angel pins,
603
00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:20,664
because Jane was
our angel looking over US.
604
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:25,169
We wore them to work
on our uniform.
605
00:28:25,171 --> 00:28:26,870
We wore them every day
606
00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:28,505
on our little lapels.
607
00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:31,709
We hoped for something
good to happen,
608
00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:33,677
but we were so afraid that
609
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,747
this was going
to just be a cold case.
610
00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,350
We were confident in
611
00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:41,685
the people that were
investigating
612
00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:42,753
and sticking with it--
we really were.
613
00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,054
We knew they were
614
00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:45,689
adamant about
catching this person,
615
00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:47,157
but at the same time,
616
00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:49,693
without any leads,
it was, it was tough.
617
00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:50,861
We knew it was tough for them.
618
00:28:50,863 --> 00:28:52,663
Hope, however fleeting,
619
00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:54,231
would not be lost,
620
00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:55,999
thanks to the relentless
determination
621
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,402
of one of o.C.'S finest.
622
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,904
Christine Murray was going
through the transcripts
623
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,040
of the interrogation
of Paul alleyne,
624
00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:05,075
and there on that page,
625
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:07,344
when she reads
this piece of information,
626
00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:09,713
it hits her like a thunderbolt.
627
00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:11,081
I found this
628
00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:13,851
little... nugget of information.
629
00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,354
Maybe a little piece of hope
for fountain valley
630
00:29:17,356 --> 00:29:18,856
and Jane carver..
631
00:29:18,858 --> 00:29:21,759
Near the end of the tape,
632
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:25,295
Paul alleyne made an offhanded
remark to my partner
633
00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:27,765
that Cole Allen was mad
634
00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:30,734
at a guy named Leonard Mundy,
635
00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:33,170
because Leonard shot
the wrong person once.
636
00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:36,740
It turns out that
637
00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:40,744
Coleman Allen had sent
another person to do a job
638
00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:42,446
and it didn't go well.
639
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:46,350
Could that have been
the shooting of Jane carver.?
640
00:29:46,352 --> 00:29:49,520
There was some inquiry
by my partner as who was this?
641
00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:52,222
What do you mean
he shot the wrong person?
642
00:29:52,224 --> 00:29:55,125
Alleyne did not have
any details.
643
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:56,727
Hearing this on the tape,
644
00:29:56,729 --> 00:30:00,531
what other murder happened
that I didn't know about?
645
00:30:00,533 --> 00:30:03,367
Who was the wrong person
that got shot?
646
00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:06,670
And who was Leonard Mundy?
647
00:30:20,251 --> 00:30:22,519
Would one last lead
648
00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:25,088
help detectives find
justice for Jane?
649
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:28,192
Or would her murder
be left unsolved?
650
00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:32,629
Who was Leonard Mundy
and who did Leonard shoot?
651
00:30:32,631 --> 00:30:36,500
A twisted piece of the puzzle
in the James wengert attack
652
00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:38,936
revealed that there may be
another shooter out there
653
00:30:38,938 --> 00:30:42,372
doing the dirty work
of Cole Allen.
654
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:45,709
I started going through
all of the documents
655
00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,979
we had seized
from premium commercial,
656
00:30:48,981 --> 00:30:52,082
but now instead of looking
for a needle in a haystack,
657
00:30:52,084 --> 00:30:53,650
we needed to find
Leonard Mundy's
658
00:30:53,652 --> 00:30:57,321
connection to Cole Allen
and the business,
659
00:30:57,323 --> 00:31:00,757
and could it have anything
to do with fountain valley?
660
00:31:02,661 --> 00:31:06,163
Leonard Mundy is
another small-business man.
661
00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:07,698
And he's taken out a loan
from Coleman Allen.
662
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,199
In fact, he's taken out two.
663
00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:12,336
There's a $40,000 loan and
then a month later, another one.
664
00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:14,872
These are not numbers
that he can handle.
665
00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:17,474
He is in a race to the bottom.
666
00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:19,676
There's nothing about
Leonard Mundy's background
667
00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:22,045
that suggests that he's
a violent man or a criminal.
668
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,714
But, you know, things change,
669
00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:25,148
especially
when people are desperate.
670
00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:28,185
But beyond
the now-clear connection
671
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:30,420
between Cole Allen
and Leonard Mundy,
672
00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:34,258
a more tenuous link was
about to reveal itself,
673
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:36,260
as investigators tore
through the filing cabinets
674
00:31:36,262 --> 00:31:39,930
at Cole Allen's business,
premium commercial.
675
00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:43,000
I came across a file
676
00:31:43,002 --> 00:31:46,703
that listed
a residential location
677
00:31:46,705 --> 00:31:50,007
in fountain valley
and the owners of that property
678
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:52,910
were Margaret
and James wengert.
679
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:54,711
At the time wengert was shot,
680
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:57,481
they resided
in the city of San clemente.
681
00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:59,883
So that led me to reach out
to the wengerts
682
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,985
and what I learned was
683
00:32:01,987 --> 00:32:04,388
at the time
of Jane carver.'S murder,
684
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,024
the wengerts did, in fact,
live in fountain valley.
685
00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:09,660
If the wengerts and the carver.S
686
00:32:09,662 --> 00:32:12,729
both lived amidst the planned
perfection of fountain valley,
687
00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,365
could there be
a more elusive connection?
688
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:18,435
Something that tied back to the
same slice of orange county
689
00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,437
both claimed as their own?
690
00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:22,739
So I conducted
a follow-up interview
691
00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:24,708
with the wengerts and spoke
692
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:27,210
with Margaret wengert,
who went by the name Peggy.
693
00:32:27,212 --> 00:32:29,146
And Peggy told me that
694
00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:32,215
her husband and Cole Allen
had used their home
695
00:32:32,217 --> 00:32:34,952
in fountain valley
as collateral to secure
696
00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:38,956
the business loan James wengert
obtained from Cole Allen
697
00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:40,390
without her knowledge.
698
00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:42,592
And, in fact,
had forged her signature.
699
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:44,895
Cole Allen had been
attempting to seize
700
00:32:44,897 --> 00:32:47,831
that house against
the debt wengert had accrued.
701
00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:51,868
And as a result,
Peggy filed a civil lawsuit
702
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:53,203
against Cole Allen
703
00:32:53,205 --> 00:32:55,772
for fraudulent
business practices,
704
00:32:55,774 --> 00:32:57,908
and that suit was underway
705
00:32:57,910 --> 00:33:00,577
in June of 1995.
706
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,947
By all accounts, Cole Allen
was livid and incensed
707
00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:08,318
that Peggy wengert had
the audacity to sue him.
708
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,588
I looked at a calendar
and realized Peggy wengert
709
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:15,425
was due in court
to testify against Cole Allen
710
00:33:15,427 --> 00:33:19,629
three to four days
after Jane carver.'S death.
711
00:33:19,631 --> 00:33:21,264
Could that have, in any way,
712
00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:24,768
contributed to the murder
of Jane carver.?
713
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:27,671
This new discovery
was soaked in mystery.
714
00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,940
What had actually connected
the dots
715
00:33:29,942 --> 00:33:32,542
on June 10, 1995,
716
00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:36,013
in the pockets of this
perfectly planned community?
717
00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:39,349
I decided to go look
at the wengert house
718
00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,151
in fountain valley.
719
00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:45,789
I had driven by using
the northbound 405 freeway,
720
00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:49,860
and I inadvertently missed
the first brookhurst off-ramp,
721
00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:52,863
which is what I needed
to get to the wengert home,
722
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:56,666
and instead took a cloverleaf,
or looping, off-ramp,
723
00:33:56,668 --> 00:34:00,670
that pointed me in the
direction of the carver. Home.
724
00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:03,607
And that made me start
to wonder,
725
00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:06,209
could someone else
have made that same mistake?
726
00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:13,683
Fountain valley is
a master-planned community,
727
00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:15,485
and many
of the residential communities
728
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,321
tend to look
a little bit alike.
729
00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:20,357
And I realized, if someone
told you to turn right
730
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:23,727
when you got off the freeway,
take the first turn,
731
00:34:23,729 --> 00:34:26,229
pass a park,
732
00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:30,767
and the next left takes you
into the wengert residence,
733
00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:34,738
those same directions get you
to where Jane carver. Was shot,
734
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,641
if you made that mistake
on the off-ramp.
735
00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:41,878
The two houses were almost
a mirror-image pattern
736
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,380
away from the freeway.
737
00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:45,182
If a driver wasn't attentive
738
00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:47,751
and didn't know whether
they were taking the north exit
739
00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:49,719
or the south exit,
they could have ended up
740
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:51,021
in front of the wrong house.
741
00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:53,590
And at the time
of Jane carver.'S murder,
742
00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,527
Peggy wengert was
Cole Allen's biggest threat.
743
00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,763
What if Jane carver. Were killed
744
00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:02,099
because the master plan
of fountain valley
745
00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:05,936
had undermined the master plan
of Coleman Allen?
746
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,073
I couldn't get past
the gut feeling
747
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,542
that led me to call
fountain valley back and say,
748
00:35:12,544 --> 00:35:14,845
"I need you to do
one more photo lineup for me,
749
00:35:14,847 --> 00:35:16,346
"and I want you to put in
750
00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:19,950
a guy by the name
of Leonard Mundy."
751
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,386
When that photo came up,
752
00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:25,789
there was no doubt that
that was our suspect.
753
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,725
Their witness
identified the shooter
754
00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:30,127
of Jane carver.
755
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:32,295
As Leonard Mundy.
756
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:35,899
I was just so pleased
that finally
757
00:35:35,901 --> 00:35:37,634
we had found him.
758
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:39,469
Fountain valley was able to get
759
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,304
a search warrant of their own
760
00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,440
for premium commercial,
looking for documents
761
00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:48,145
to tie Leonard Mundy
to Cole Allen and Peggy wengert.
762
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,013
And they found those documents.
763
00:35:50,015 --> 00:35:53,116
They very much mirrored
the types of documents
764
00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:57,854
that Paul alleyne had completed
for having shot James wengert.
765
00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,490
Cole Allen was found
to have written off
766
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,125
two uncollectable loans,
767
00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,728
and Cole Allen
didn't write off loans.
768
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:06,663
Cole Allen got his money back.
769
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:07,931
He was all about money.
770
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:10,100
The paper trail unveiled
771
00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:12,769
Cole Allen's insidious greed.
772
00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,838
Those fueled by desperation
773
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,241
would serve as reluctant
hit men to eradicate anyone
774
00:36:18,243 --> 00:36:21,811
who dared stand
between him and his big payoff.
775
00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:26,016
It was determined that the SWAT
team would serve the warrant
776
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:29,519
for Leonard Mundy
up in south L.A.
777
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:32,122
There was a lot of
anticipation-- I wanted to see
778
00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:35,525
this person responsible
for this horrible crime.
779
00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:45,402
When they brought him out,
780
00:36:45,404 --> 00:36:47,003
it was just a culmination
781
00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:50,307
of all the time,
energy and effort put into it,
782
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:52,375
and being able
783
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,911
to give the carver. Family
some closure.
784
00:36:56,515 --> 00:36:58,815
The arrest of Leonard Mundy
785
00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:00,850
brought to a finish line
much of the mystery
786
00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:03,153
that surrounded the death
of Jane carver..
787
00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:05,355
That's when you really start
to see all the moving pieces
788
00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:06,823
and how they fit together.
789
00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:08,225
After his arrest,
790
00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:10,393
we needed to talk to him
and find out the truth.
791
00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:14,564
It's even harder to believe now
than it was then.
792
00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,144
Nearing
the one-year anniversary
793
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:30,146
of Jane carver.'S execution,
794
00:37:30,148 --> 00:37:33,617
a hidden truth still lingered
in the seemingly safe streets
795
00:37:33,619 --> 00:37:36,820
of this
perfectly planned place.
796
00:37:36,822 --> 00:37:39,122
Even when you get
to the bottom of the mystery,
797
00:37:39,124 --> 00:37:42,092
there's another mystery
waiting for you,
798
00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:44,961
which led
to the entire unraveling
799
00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:47,163
of this complex riddle.
800
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,165
What presents itself
is that Leonard Mundy
801
00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,667
was sent to kill somebody,
802
00:37:50,669 --> 00:37:52,769
but he ended up killing
Jane carver..
803
00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:55,171
What put her in the crosshairs
that day?
804
00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:57,674
The answer that they find is
a tragic one.
805
00:37:57,676 --> 00:37:59,175
It turns out
806
00:37:59,177 --> 00:38:01,177
she's a victim
of mistaken identity.
807
00:38:03,649 --> 00:38:05,915
The actual target
808
00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,518
on that June day in 1995
809
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,487
was Peggy wengert.
810
00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:12,155
Peggy wengert
811
00:38:12,157 --> 00:38:13,790
enraged Coleman Allen.
812
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,358
She had brought attention
to his criminal enterprises
813
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,260
through a lawsuit,
and he was furious.
814
00:38:17,262 --> 00:38:19,462
He's not a guy
that you want to make angry.
815
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:20,797
So he launched an attack,
816
00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:23,933
and that attack was
Leonard Mundy with a gun.
817
00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:26,136
Leonard Mundy made a wrong turn
818
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,605
and shot the wrong person.
819
00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:31,374
We did go
through all the records
820
00:38:31,376 --> 00:38:35,912
to see what Cole Allen had
identifying Peggy wengert.
821
00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:38,548
The only picture we were able
to find in the files
822
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:41,851
was an old driver's license
photo that had been xeroxed.
823
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:45,655
They may have somewhat,
size-wise, looked alike,
824
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:48,858
but obviously he decided
that Jane was his target,
825
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:53,463
and whatever amount of money he
got was worth taking her life.
826
00:38:56,335 --> 00:38:57,934
Paul alleyne and Leonard Mundy
827
00:38:57,936 --> 00:39:01,037
weren't sophisticated
criminals, but they
828
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:02,539
got caught up with...
829
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:03,973
Pure evil.
830
00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:30,166
I would speculate that
Cole Allen used these men
831
00:39:30,168 --> 00:39:33,436
to commit these assaults
because he could--
832
00:39:33,438 --> 00:39:36,072
they were blackmailed
into taking actions
833
00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:39,109
of an extremely violent nature.
834
00:39:39,111 --> 00:39:41,411
He could intimidate them,
manipulate them,
835
00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:43,880
order them around.
836
00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:46,216
And he didn't have to pay them.
837
00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:50,120
The truth came out, and it was
838
00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:51,921
nothing short of shocking.
839
00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,490
Something that I never
840
00:39:53,492 --> 00:39:54,791
would have guessed.
841
00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,159
It was relief,
842
00:39:56,161 --> 00:39:58,261
but at the same time,
843
00:39:58,263 --> 00:39:59,929
it was the worst kind
of scenario,
844
00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:02,732
because we had nothing to do
with his business.
845
00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:04,634
Somebody killed Jane,
846
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,971
thinking that
she was somebody else.
847
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:11,341
Are you kidding?
This is what actually happened?
848
00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:18,214
That at least gives you
some sort of, I guess, closure,
849
00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:19,582
and...
850
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,918
You know, you cross your fingers
851
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,287
and hope that justice is served.
852
00:40:24,289 --> 00:40:26,823
Leonard Mundy was convicted
853
00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:28,992
of the brutal killing
of Jane carver.
854
00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:30,727
And then was sentenced
855
00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:33,163
to life without the possibility
of parole.
856
00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:36,132
Paul alleyne was convicted
857
00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:38,234
of shooting James wengert
858
00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:42,005
and was sentenced
to 25 years to life in prison.
859
00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:46,376
It was pretty frustrating for US
860
00:40:46,378 --> 00:40:50,380
that Allen wasn't alive
to see his day in court.
861
00:40:50,382 --> 00:40:53,183
I feel for Mundy to this day.
862
00:40:53,185 --> 00:40:56,119
He was in a tough spot and
had to make a stupid decision
863
00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:58,221
that cost him his life,
864
00:40:58,223 --> 00:41:00,857
and... cost US our mom.
865
00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:05,528
I'm very relieved
with this, verdict today.
866
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:07,530
It's a day
that we've long awaited.
867
00:41:07,532 --> 00:41:10,834
It's... kind of signals the,
the-the end
868
00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:14,571
of a horrible chapter
in the life of our family.
869
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:19,142
At long last,
investigators had delivered
870
00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,044
some measure of justice
for Janie.
871
00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:24,180
And the community of fountain
valley rallied once more
872
00:41:24,182 --> 00:41:26,483
around the memory
of one of their own.
873
00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:28,218
Noteboom:
After something,
874
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:29,853
you know, so horrible,
875
00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:32,155
you kind of want it
to stand for something,
876
00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:33,823
and... and you don't want people
877
00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:35,325
to forget.
878
00:41:35,327 --> 00:41:37,660
We all thought
we would do something
879
00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:39,462
that Janie
would really appreciate.
880
00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:41,431
The marathon came together
881
00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:43,433
as a way to honor Jane.
882
00:41:43,435 --> 00:41:44,767
Jane...
883
00:41:44,769 --> 00:41:45,935
Loved to run,
884
00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:47,904
and she believed in education.
885
00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:49,873
It was a huge success,
886
00:41:49,875 --> 00:41:52,876
and the donations
that were made for the run
887
00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:55,512
were going to be given
to some students
888
00:41:55,514 --> 00:41:57,347
that needed a scholarship
889
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:59,616
so that they
could go on to college.
890
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,053
The race for Janie
891
00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,755
raised $75,000,
892
00:42:05,757 --> 00:42:09,526
and we had an entry of,
1,200 people.
893
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:14,597
I think the key
to solving this case
894
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:16,032
was the community.
895
00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:18,034
The citizens
of fountain valley,
896
00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,270
they kept Jane's memory alive,
897
00:42:20,272 --> 00:42:23,606
and, because of that,
led US to think:
898
00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:28,411
Is there a relation
between a San clemente shooting
899
00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:30,480
and Jane's murder?
900
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:34,384
It's painful,
but I want her to be remembered
901
00:42:34,386 --> 00:42:38,054
so that people know how she was.
902
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:39,589
I miss her so much.
903
00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:43,126
It's never a hundred
percent better, but it's
904
00:42:43,128 --> 00:42:44,160
just a little bit easier
905
00:42:44,162 --> 00:42:45,962
as time goes on.
906
00:42:45,964 --> 00:42:48,398
We've put our best foot
forward, and we try
907
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,066
and stay positive as a family,
and one thing
908
00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:51,601
that was important
with all this is that
909
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:53,269
it brought my dad
and my brother and I
910
00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:54,437
very close together.
911
00:42:54,439 --> 00:42:55,738
If my mom were around today,
912
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,774
I would like to think
she'd be still traveling,
913
00:42:57,776 --> 00:43:00,009
hanging out
with the-the grandchildren,
914
00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:01,678
hopefully,
915
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,913
keeping my dad good company,
916
00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:05,481
and living life
917
00:43:05,483 --> 00:43:07,183
to the fullest--
she was good at that.
918
00:43:07,185 --> 00:43:10,820
I'd like to think that
would carry on to this day.
919
00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,164
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