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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,502 --> 00:00:06,372 It was a beautiful morning when I received the phone call. 2 00:00:06,374 --> 00:00:09,375 I did not understand what was going on. 3 00:00:09,377 --> 00:00:12,244 A shocking murder no one saw coming. 4 00:00:12,246 --> 00:00:14,246 Execution-style shootings are very unusual 5 00:00:14,248 --> 00:00:15,814 in orange county. 6 00:00:15,816 --> 00:00:19,151 In fountain valley, it was no exaggeration to say 7 00:00:19,153 --> 00:00:20,719 this was a turning point. 8 00:00:20,721 --> 00:00:24,423 It became a test to the safety of the community. 9 00:00:24,425 --> 00:00:28,427 A similar crime unearths even more questions. 10 00:00:28,429 --> 00:00:30,262 What possibly could be the connection? 11 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:32,931 It made no sense at all. 12 00:00:32,933 --> 00:00:34,967 Fountain valley was unable 13 00:00:34,969 --> 00:00:36,702 to identify anything. 14 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:39,405 It was a dead end. 15 00:00:39,407 --> 00:00:42,274 That person is out there somewhere. 16 00:00:42,276 --> 00:00:44,510 As two vicious acts of violence 17 00:00:44,512 --> 00:00:46,478 threaten this picture-perfect community, 18 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,681 any wrong turns could be deadly. 19 00:00:49,683 --> 00:00:51,250 They got themselves caught up 20 00:00:51,252 --> 00:00:53,085 with a guy that was very evil. 21 00:01:17,478 --> 00:01:18,844 When I first got to orange county, 22 00:01:18,846 --> 00:01:20,012 I thought that there was a certain 23 00:01:20,014 --> 00:01:21,513 "Stepford" quality to it. 24 00:01:21,515 --> 00:01:23,882 Fountain valley is one of those California communities 25 00:01:23,884 --> 00:01:26,385 that has a sort of master plan, cookie-cutter feel. 26 00:01:26,387 --> 00:01:29,121 These communities are planned meticulously, 27 00:01:29,123 --> 00:01:31,990 and they're laid out on a grid. 28 00:01:31,992 --> 00:01:34,026 A local joke the cops say is that, 29 00:01:34,028 --> 00:01:35,661 if you go home drunk, make sure that, 30 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:37,563 when you walk in the house, you're walking in the right one. 31 00:01:41,135 --> 00:01:42,668 32 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:45,170 Orange county's best-kept secret. 33 00:01:45,172 --> 00:01:47,139 A community designed and built around 34 00:01:47,141 --> 00:01:50,542 an idealistic vision of o.C. Perfection. 35 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:54,213 A place where families rising through the upper middle class 36 00:01:54,215 --> 00:01:58,517 can claim their own perfect piece of the California dream. 37 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:01,487 Jane and al carver. Found their place here, 38 00:02:01,489 --> 00:02:03,822 living out a sun-kissed fairy tale 39 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:07,126 with a big house, happy kids, great friends. 40 00:02:07,128 --> 00:02:09,661 All part of the master plan. 41 00:02:09,663 --> 00:02:14,066 This is my dad and my mom on their wedding day. 42 00:02:14,068 --> 00:02:16,635 My parents were very much in love, 43 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:19,738 and... and-and also very much opposite. 44 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:22,841 My dad, he was director of operations 45 00:02:22,843 --> 00:02:24,676 at a health care company, 46 00:02:24,678 --> 00:02:28,380 and my mom became a flight attendant out of Los Angeles. 47 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:34,219 My dad was more of a conservative-minded... 48 00:02:34,221 --> 00:02:35,821 "Take the caution" approach. 49 00:02:35,823 --> 00:02:37,189 And my mom was a little bit more 50 00:02:37,191 --> 00:02:39,691 adventurous, and I think that that balance 51 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:42,327 in their personalities attracted each other. 52 00:02:42,329 --> 00:02:45,030 Jane carver. Was my best friend. 53 00:02:45,032 --> 00:02:47,065 We met in stew school 54 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:50,068 in 1969. 55 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:51,803 We all started flying together 56 00:02:51,805 --> 00:02:54,740 the same year, with united airlines. 57 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:57,910 Janie just was fun and spunky 58 00:02:57,912 --> 00:02:59,978 and easy to work with. 59 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:02,781 The group of US got nicknamed "the ya-yas" 60 00:03:02,783 --> 00:03:05,551 'cause we flew together so much. 61 00:03:05,553 --> 00:03:08,353 We just had a good time. 62 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:11,623 People were just drawn to Janie because she had this 63 00:03:11,625 --> 00:03:16,295 twinkle in her eye that drew people in. 64 00:03:16,297 --> 00:03:18,230 Most all of our friends lived in fountain valley, 65 00:03:18,232 --> 00:03:21,066 so we drove to work together, 66 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:24,102 and we made plans with our families. 67 00:03:24,104 --> 00:03:26,972 She was just an incredible mom. 68 00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:29,241 Really fun-loving and laughing all the time 69 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:32,277 and joking and, like, just making the best of life. 70 00:03:32,279 --> 00:03:34,146 You could watch from the outside 71 00:03:34,148 --> 00:03:36,481 and just be like, "wow, she's got it." 72 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:38,050 We traveled a lot. 73 00:03:38,052 --> 00:03:39,885 I can recall going to Hong Kong. 74 00:03:39,887 --> 00:03:41,386 We went to Europe. 75 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:44,289 She was very spontaneous 76 00:03:44,291 --> 00:03:46,325 in her approach to travel. 77 00:03:46,327 --> 00:03:48,927 If we were studying the presidents or the capitals 78 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:51,129 or something like that, and she was working 79 00:03:51,131 --> 00:03:53,198 and going on a trip to Washington, D.C., 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,601 she was like, "hey, we're gonna skip school today, 81 00:03:55,603 --> 00:03:57,836 and I'm gonna go show you the real thing, so let's go." 82 00:04:02,142 --> 00:04:03,642 Running was her escape. 83 00:04:03,644 --> 00:04:06,078 She always wanted to be on the go. 84 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,014 She didn't sit much. 85 00:04:09,016 --> 00:04:10,682 Jane just enjoyed life. 86 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:12,751 The carver.S couldn't know 87 00:04:12,753 --> 00:04:14,920 that their master plan for the good life 88 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:17,356 was about to go horribly wrong. 89 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:22,828 June 10, 1995, the carver.S wake up. 90 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,129 Jane goes for a run, 91 00:04:24,131 --> 00:04:26,765 and she runs right into a nightmare. 92 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:30,802 Jane is about a block from home, 93 00:04:30,804 --> 00:04:33,839 and then suddenly she's confronted. 94 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:36,041 A man appears out of nowhere 95 00:04:36,043 --> 00:04:38,343 and shoots her in the face. 96 00:04:38,345 --> 00:04:40,846 Kim there was one shot, she falls down, 97 00:04:40,848 --> 00:04:42,848 and this man looks briefly, 98 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:44,983 turns around and gets back in his car and drives off. 99 00:04:44,985 --> 00:04:47,185 And there are witnesses across the street 100 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:49,388 that can hardly believe what happened. 101 00:04:49,390 --> 00:04:50,689 Witnesses describe the gunman 102 00:04:50,691 --> 00:04:51,990 as being very calm 103 00:04:51,992 --> 00:04:54,993 and sort of casual. 104 00:04:54,995 --> 00:04:57,329 Al carver. Hears the sirens coming... 105 00:04:57,331 --> 00:04:58,997 ...and he steps outside his home 106 00:04:58,999 --> 00:05:01,266 trying to figure out what's going on. 107 00:05:01,268 --> 00:05:02,734 Jane carver. Was so close to being 108 00:05:02,736 --> 00:05:04,770 back at the house from her run 109 00:05:04,772 --> 00:05:09,708 that the crime scene is within yards of their front door. 110 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:12,644 I received a phone call from al carver., 111 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:15,414 who was choking up on the phone. 112 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:18,817 It was hard to understand what he was saying, 113 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:21,186 that Jane had been shot. 114 00:05:21,188 --> 00:05:23,922 I ran around the corner. 115 00:05:23,924 --> 00:05:25,691 Al was just-just a mess. 116 00:05:25,693 --> 00:05:30,062 You could read the pain on his face. 117 00:05:30,064 --> 00:05:32,431 He just looked at me and he said, 118 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:35,934 "she's gone. She's really gone." 119 00:05:41,275 --> 00:05:42,774 I heard it on the police scanner 120 00:05:42,776 --> 00:05:44,042 and came to the scene. 121 00:05:44,044 --> 00:05:45,277 It was a lot of commotion, 122 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,845 and I was trying to take it all in. 123 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:48,180 People were still talking about a gunman on the loose. 124 00:05:49,917 --> 00:05:51,883 It was hard to fathom the fact that someone would 125 00:05:51,885 --> 00:05:54,686 walk up and basically execute this woman 126 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:55,887 in broad daylight. 127 00:05:55,889 --> 00:05:57,789 A well-traveled street. 128 00:05:57,791 --> 00:06:00,792 And all of a sudden, that sense of safety 129 00:06:00,794 --> 00:06:03,829 in the community is absolutely shattered. 130 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:08,166 There wasn't much to go on at the time, evidence-wise. 131 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:10,335 We had to rely on what the witness statements were. 132 00:06:10,337 --> 00:06:12,704 There are six witnesses at the scene 133 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:14,272 who describe the gunman, 134 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:15,907 and their descriptions are fairly consistent. 135 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:18,877 The suspect was wearing a brown or tweed sportscoat 136 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,046 with a high-neck shirt and dark pants. 137 00:06:21,048 --> 00:06:24,549 He's between 30 and 40, receding hairline. 138 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:26,351 We had a forensic artist that we typically used, 139 00:06:26,353 --> 00:06:28,120 and she came in and did the composites 140 00:06:28,122 --> 00:06:29,621 with two witnesses. 141 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:34,659 The car was a 1978 to 1984 two-door hatchback. 142 00:06:34,661 --> 00:06:36,995 It was white. And at that time, 143 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:40,432 we went and searched, but we didn't find 144 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:41,500 the suspect or the car. 145 00:06:41,502 --> 00:06:43,568 We collected one bullet casing 146 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:44,970 at the scene. 147 00:06:44,972 --> 00:06:47,572 There was very little evidence. 148 00:06:50,677 --> 00:06:52,411 The crime just doesn't add up. 149 00:06:53,447 --> 00:06:55,447 She wasn't robbed. 150 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:57,082 There was nothing here that explained why 151 00:06:57,084 --> 00:06:58,350 this woman had been shot. 152 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:02,954 In an instant, this sunny Saturday morning 153 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:05,490 became the worst day in the carver.S' lives, 154 00:07:05,492 --> 00:07:09,127 and would change this o.C. Enclave forever. 155 00:07:11,498 --> 00:07:14,866 Justin had been asleep through this whole thing. 156 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:17,002 He was 14 at the time. 157 00:07:17,004 --> 00:07:19,538 And that just broke my heart. 158 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:23,041 I-I couldn't imagine how al could possibly 159 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:25,877 tell Justin that about his mother. 160 00:07:27,648 --> 00:07:31,850 It was like a dream to me. -It was really... 161 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:34,719 Your life is changed like that. 162 00:07:38,025 --> 00:07:41,259 It was a tough day. A really tough day. 163 00:07:43,497 --> 00:07:45,063 I was 20 years old, 164 00:07:45,065 --> 00:07:49,301 and I was a sophomore at Oregon state university. 165 00:07:49,303 --> 00:07:51,636 I got that phone call, 166 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:53,672 and I felt like I was racing to the airport, 167 00:07:53,674 --> 00:07:55,507 but I felt like I couldn't drive fast enough. 168 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:58,477 Everything was in slow motion. 169 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,379 Why would that happen? 170 00:08:01,381 --> 00:08:04,249 Why would anybody shoot Janie, of all people? 171 00:08:04,251 --> 00:08:08,253 This didn't make any sense at all. 172 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:13,758 In a tight-knit haven like fountain valley, 173 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,027 the best resource could be the friends 174 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:18,196 she held in closest confidence. 175 00:08:18,198 --> 00:08:21,066 Perhaps there was some secret conflict brewing 176 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:23,101 beneath the perfect orange county surface 177 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:25,270 presented by the carver.S. 178 00:08:25,272 --> 00:08:28,773 You can't assume that anybody is excluded initially. 179 00:08:28,775 --> 00:08:30,375 And that was my responsibility, 180 00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:34,446 to interview family and friends because this was a large effort 181 00:08:34,448 --> 00:08:35,814 to try to find information. 182 00:08:35,816 --> 00:08:38,550 I had to ask al in that initial interview 183 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:40,886 did he have anything to do with this murder? 184 00:08:40,888 --> 00:08:42,821 Did he know anybody who had anything to do with it? 185 00:08:42,823 --> 00:08:45,557 He was devastated, it was very clear, 186 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,792 but we just didn't know. 187 00:08:47,794 --> 00:08:51,229 Al was very open right from the beginning. 188 00:08:51,231 --> 00:08:53,565 There wasn't any question that he didn't answer. 189 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:56,067 His friends also corroborated the fact that 190 00:08:56,069 --> 00:08:58,003 al was in his home when this occurred. 191 00:08:59,439 --> 00:09:01,606 We were all in a state of shock, 192 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:03,875 not knowing what to do. 193 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:07,045 The police came over, and each one of US 194 00:09:07,047 --> 00:09:09,714 was interviewed individually. 195 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:11,950 They just wanted to get a sense on 196 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:16,454 what we did that morning and who Jane was. 197 00:09:18,825 --> 00:09:20,492 We tried to think about something 198 00:09:20,494 --> 00:09:22,394 she might have said to US. 199 00:09:22,396 --> 00:09:25,096 Did she talk about anybody on the plane bothering her? 200 00:09:25,098 --> 00:09:28,900 You know, any incident where somebody was angry with her. 201 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:30,735 But nothing. 202 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:34,339 You couldn't even wrap your head around the whole scenario. 203 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:36,808 They have an idea what the suspect looks like, 204 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:38,343 but they don't know what the motive could be. 205 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:43,181 They were convinced it was a contract hit. 206 00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:44,883 Even when you get to the bottom of this mystery, 207 00:09:44,885 --> 00:09:47,619 there's another twist. 208 00:09:47,621 --> 00:09:49,287 A man had called her, 209 00:09:49,289 --> 00:09:51,056 and he was demanding to be paid. 210 00:09:52,726 --> 00:09:53,892 There's another shooting that happens. 211 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:55,594 This might have a connection. 212 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:07,038 Jane carver.'S o.C. Dream was cut short 213 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,974 in a senseless execution, 214 00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:10,742 leaving everyone in her community 215 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:14,579 chasing the fragments of its now-shattered perfection. 216 00:10:14,581 --> 00:10:17,048 Homicides don't happen in fountain valley. 217 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:19,417 Jane's murder was the only one at that time 218 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:21,052 in 1995. 219 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:22,654 Could this idyllic place 220 00:10:22,656 --> 00:10:26,157 have forever veered from its master plan? 221 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,627 In the weeks after Jane carver.'S murder, 222 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:31,396 it was no exaggeration to say this was a turning point. 223 00:10:31,398 --> 00:10:34,065 It became a test to the reputation 224 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:35,667 and the safety of the community. 225 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,970 Everybody either knew Jane carver. Or knew her name. 226 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:42,040 The one thing nobody knew is: Why was she dead? 227 00:10:42,042 --> 00:10:45,677 Fear spread as whispers and speculation 228 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,512 were at the tip of every tongue 229 00:10:47,514 --> 00:10:49,848 and the top of every news headline. 230 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:52,183 Could it be someone Jane knew? 231 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:53,451 Or if it was random, 232 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:56,087 what or who could be next? 233 00:10:57,858 --> 00:10:59,858 From witness statements, 234 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:01,192 we were told that this person 235 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:02,327 had been seen parked 236 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:04,796 in the area prior to the incident. 237 00:11:04,798 --> 00:11:07,265 So therefore, we considered that 238 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,234 it could possibly be a stalking situation. 239 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:14,773 Was it some grudge or secret relationship? 240 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:16,875 Every single theory was being thrown around. 241 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:18,943 There was nothing ruled out. 242 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:21,479 You really have to feel for al carver., because, I mean, 243 00:11:21,481 --> 00:11:23,314 not only h-has he lost his wife, 244 00:11:23,316 --> 00:11:25,383 he's also not oblivious to the fact 245 00:11:25,385 --> 00:11:28,153 that people are looking at him in a different way. 246 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,722 They say there's a thin line between love and hate, 247 00:11:30,724 --> 00:11:34,059 but there's an even thinner line between marriage and murder. 248 00:11:34,061 --> 00:11:38,563 At one point, I was having lunch in this deli, and there were 249 00:11:38,565 --> 00:11:40,398 two women talking about the case, 250 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,535 and they were convinced it was a contract hit done by 251 00:11:43,537 --> 00:11:45,003 her husband. 252 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:46,404 Al carver. Was an open book. 253 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,273 Anything we needed to do or asked of him, 254 00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:49,941 he was more than willing to cooperate. 255 00:11:49,943 --> 00:11:53,344 He did take a polygraph and he passed the polygraph. 256 00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:55,547 It was straightforward and very uncomfortable, 257 00:11:55,549 --> 00:11:57,615 but it was something that had to be done. 258 00:11:57,617 --> 00:12:00,051 Even though it's not admissible in court, 259 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:01,886 it did confirm my belief that 260 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:03,755 al was not involved. 261 00:12:03,757 --> 00:12:06,091 We all knew that my dad had nothing to do with it, 262 00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:08,560 but it was a process we were willing to do. 263 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:11,996 I mean, at that point, we wanted answers, 264 00:12:11,998 --> 00:12:15,133 and all you can do is provide as much as you can. 265 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:19,504 And so the carver. Case was becoming 266 00:12:19,506 --> 00:12:22,340 a true murder mystery in the eyes of the public. 267 00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:24,075 As the pressure mounted, 268 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:26,845 would they ever find justice for Janie? 269 00:12:30,784 --> 00:12:33,017 The day of the funeral was 270 00:12:33,019 --> 00:12:35,353 packed house, standing room only. 271 00:12:38,859 --> 00:12:41,459 We were there for support for the family, 272 00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:46,297 and, it was difficult, for all of US. 273 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:48,633 You needed to kind of just regroup 274 00:12:48,635 --> 00:12:51,302 and think about what the heck just happened. 275 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:54,272 And what-what do we do now? What-what's life gonna be like? 276 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:56,174 There was a void. 277 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:59,077 But there were so many people there to make sure 278 00:12:59,079 --> 00:13:01,546 that we were gonna be okay. 279 00:13:06,019 --> 00:13:07,652 We came back from the funeral 280 00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:10,622 and we were trying to figure out what to do. 281 00:13:10,624 --> 00:13:13,458 How can we help fountain valley police department 282 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:15,260 solve this? 283 00:13:15,262 --> 00:13:16,594 They got a composite drawing, 284 00:13:16,596 --> 00:13:17,929 they got a face, and then they got the car, 285 00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:19,764 but they don't have the guy. 286 00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:22,433 So everyone, like, decided, "okay, let's print 287 00:13:22,435 --> 00:13:24,402 "thousands of these flyers 288 00:13:24,404 --> 00:13:26,905 and we're gonna blanket orange county." 289 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:28,640 Maybe we can get some leads this way. 290 00:13:28,642 --> 00:13:30,742 Because so many people wanted to help, 291 00:13:30,744 --> 00:13:33,444 I had to organize them into groups. 292 00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:34,846 There were more than were employed 293 00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:36,781 by the fountain valley police department. 294 00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:39,651 About 100 people met at mile square park 295 00:13:39,653 --> 00:13:41,886 to pick up flyers bearing a composite sketch 296 00:13:41,888 --> 00:13:43,621 of carver.'S alleged killer 297 00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:46,057 and distribute them to area businesses. 298 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:50,028 They're sure someone out there knows who he is. 299 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:53,064 Friends of Jane would stop at nothing 300 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:56,501 to shake out this killer and restore a sense of safety 301 00:13:56,503 --> 00:13:58,469 to their sunny streets. 302 00:13:58,471 --> 00:14:00,905 We would meet every Saturday 303 00:14:00,907 --> 00:14:02,240 and pick out certain areas. 304 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:04,542 We would go door-to-door. 305 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:05,844 We went to bars, 306 00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:07,579 we went to hair salons. 307 00:14:07,581 --> 00:14:09,013 E-Every place in the strip mall. 308 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,348 Laundromats, it didn't matter. 309 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:12,250 Anyone that would let US 310 00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:15,386 put up a flyer, we were happy to do it. 311 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:16,788 I mean, they got busy, 312 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:18,623 and it was an impressive thing to see. 313 00:14:18,625 --> 00:14:19,858 They started raising money, 314 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:21,326 and the airline that Jane carver. Had worked for 315 00:14:21,328 --> 00:14:23,728 kicked in $10,000 to help catch the killer. 316 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,664 They wanted to get to the bottom of this. 317 00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:29,300 The reward fund kept increasing 318 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:30,702 and it went up to $45,000. 319 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:33,671 We're talking 1995. That's a lot of money. 320 00:14:33,673 --> 00:14:35,673 It was an amazing effort, 321 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:38,042 and it was really cool to see a community come together 322 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,812 for our family. 323 00:14:40,814 --> 00:14:43,381 The support of our friends and the community 324 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:45,250 is really what's giving me the strength, 325 00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:47,886 to, to keep going here. 326 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:49,854 If crimes could be solved by concern, 327 00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:52,357 the murder of Jane carver. Would have been 328 00:14:52,359 --> 00:14:54,859 an open-and-shut case within a day. 329 00:14:54,861 --> 00:14:56,694 You could have as much money as you want, 330 00:14:56,696 --> 00:14:58,963 but in this case, police couldn't even buy a clue. 331 00:14:58,965 --> 00:15:01,699 They had no leads at all. 332 00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:04,636 Yes, we were disappointed because we felt 333 00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:07,205 that our hard work 334 00:15:07,207 --> 00:15:11,242 was just not getting US anywhere. 335 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:14,145 Time heals in one sense, but until you catch the person, 336 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:15,446 it-- time is worse. 337 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:16,748 The thought crossed our minds: 338 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:17,949 Is this maybe a cold case? 339 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:19,250 This may never get solved. 340 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,054 Ten months crawled by, 341 00:15:23,056 --> 00:15:26,391 and investigators were no closer to any answers. 342 00:15:26,393 --> 00:15:30,662 But a case without answers can often turn cold. 343 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:35,433 The case does go cold and it wanes. 344 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:37,068 We were very hopeful that we might 345 00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:39,504 get that one break to help US. 346 00:15:40,473 --> 00:15:42,307 On April 10, 1996, 347 00:15:42,309 --> 00:15:45,977 there's another shooting that occurred in San clemente 348 00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:49,113 which appeared very similar to our case with Jane carver.. 349 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:52,650 An individual was going to his business 350 00:15:52,652 --> 00:15:55,954 and as he arrived, he was met by someone 351 00:15:55,956 --> 00:16:01,559 who shot him one time in the face and left the scene. 352 00:16:03,863 --> 00:16:05,763 Another investigator saw a flyer 353 00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:07,532 and thought it appeared to have an m.O. Very similar 354 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,734 to our case with Jane carver.. 355 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:21,145 The random murder of Jane carver. 356 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:24,449 Had shaken a perfectly planned o.C. Community 357 00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:26,017 and left friends, family and investigators 358 00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:28,653 seeking elusive answers. 359 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:31,489 But a similar attack in south orange county 360 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:34,092 was about to rock its foundation to the core. 361 00:16:35,795 --> 00:16:37,328 Ten months after Jane carver.'S murder, 362 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:39,931 something interesting happens. 363 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:41,699 About 30 miles south, 364 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,668 investigators are looking into another act of violence. 365 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:46,938 On April 10, 1996, 366 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:50,908 I responded to the city of San clemente shortly after 367 00:16:50,910 --> 00:16:53,378 a subject by the name of James wengert 368 00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:55,980 had been shot in the face 369 00:16:55,982 --> 00:16:58,783 and surprisingly survived. 370 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,688 The suspect did not ask for money. 371 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:07,058 In fact, said nothing to wengert but instead 372 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,360 shot him in the face without comment or warning. 373 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:12,897 And then turned and left. 374 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:18,336 Execution-style shooting is very unusual in orange county. 375 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:21,072 My lieutenant made an off-the-cuff remark, 376 00:17:21,074 --> 00:17:23,708 the only one he could recall had occurred 377 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:27,211 almost a year earlier-- a jogger, Jane carver.-- 378 00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,113 who had been killed in fountain valley. 379 00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:33,918 When we were able to interview him, 380 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,721 James wengert immediately 381 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:39,991 focused our investigation on someone that he had been having 382 00:17:39,993 --> 00:17:42,026 contentious business dealings with 383 00:17:42,028 --> 00:17:44,429 by the name of Coleman Allen, 384 00:17:44,431 --> 00:17:48,099 and felt that that person was responsible. 385 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:53,071 James wengert was a businessman and had no criminal record. 386 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:56,974 But at the time of James wengert's shooting, 387 00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:59,710 he had borrowed a-a significant amount of money 388 00:17:59,712 --> 00:18:02,914 from Cole Allen to try and keep his business afloat. 389 00:18:02,916 --> 00:18:06,751 Cole Allen had required wengert to take out 390 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,454 a very large life insurance policy 391 00:18:09,456 --> 00:18:12,924 that listed Cole Allen as the beneficiary. 392 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:15,293 And the amount of the life insurance policy 393 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:19,230 was almost three times the amount owed. 394 00:18:19,232 --> 00:18:22,533 In any circumstance, hearing someone is obtaining 395 00:18:22,535 --> 00:18:26,037 life insurance policies on people that owe them money, 396 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:30,208 this set off some significant alarm bells for US. 397 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:32,243 This is the thing you see 398 00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:34,946 on a television show or read in a book, 399 00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:37,648 but certainly not a crime in orange county, California. 400 00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:45,289 Was it possible that Cole Allen was behind two brutal crimes 401 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:48,392 that tore at the tailored fabric of orange county? 402 00:18:48,394 --> 00:18:51,562 Could Janie carver.'S shooting have been a murder for hire? 403 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:54,265 And if so, how had she become tangled up 404 00:18:54,267 --> 00:18:57,468 in this nefarious plot? 405 00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,605 Two other law enforcement agencies in southern California 406 00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:04,375 had active investigations targeting Cole Allen 407 00:19:04,377 --> 00:19:07,778 for fraud and financial crimes 408 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:11,149 in a very sophisticated way. 409 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:13,518 Coleman Allen runs a company called premium commercial 410 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,219 in huntington beach, and this company 411 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:18,456 specializes in making loans, often to small-business people. 412 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:20,525 He did sell them a form of hope. 413 00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:22,793 This would be, like, a bridge loan to get them 414 00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:25,463 up on their feet, but with the high interest rates 415 00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:28,599 that he charged and the payment demands that he made, 416 00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,301 very quickly, 417 00:19:30,303 --> 00:19:31,903 hope turned into a nightmare. 418 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,474 There is an air of Tony soprano to all this. 419 00:19:36,476 --> 00:19:38,643 It was very clear when the money was due, 420 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:41,179 and it was also made clear that if that money wasn't in, 421 00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:43,281 there was gonna be consequences. 422 00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,717 Cole Allen would use 423 00:19:46,719 --> 00:19:48,986 the repayment of these loans as a means 424 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:50,788 to blackmail his clients 425 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:54,125 in a very elaborate loan-sharking scheme. 426 00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:55,826 So he would take out insurance policies 427 00:19:55,828 --> 00:19:57,328 on the people who owed him money, 428 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,730 and make himself and his company the beneficiaries. 429 00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:03,334 So now you have a situation where someone is gonna spend 430 00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:06,204 the rest of their life paying this money. 431 00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:07,505 And then when they're done paying him, 432 00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:08,739 then they're gonna die. 433 00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,575 And then they're gonna pay him some more. 434 00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,877 That was one of the scams 435 00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,179 that signal hill police department as well as 436 00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:17,915 the Los Angeles police department were looking at. 437 00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,551 Is Cole Allen forcing his clients 438 00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:23,054 to purchase life insurance 439 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,725 and then was he profiting by having those clients murdered? 440 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:32,396 When we started making arrangements 441 00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,232 to go and interview Cole Allen, 442 00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:38,002 we learned Cole Allen had died of a massive heart attack 443 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:41,305 a couple of days before wengert had in fact been shot. 444 00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:45,042 It was extremely frustrating. 445 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:47,712 It raised more questions than it provided answers. 446 00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:50,581 We still conducted searches at his business 447 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,783 to attempt to locate records 448 00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:55,419 that might lead US to who might have 449 00:20:55,421 --> 00:20:58,122 shot James wengert. 450 00:20:58,124 --> 00:21:01,259 As the investigation uncovered a seedy motive 451 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:03,661 in the cold-blooded attack on wengert, 452 00:21:03,663 --> 00:21:05,930 detectives couldn't help but recognize 453 00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:11,135 the overt similarities to the murder of Jane carver.. 454 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,471 We decided to reach out 455 00:21:13,473 --> 00:21:15,606 to fountain valley police department 456 00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,742 and ask them to start checking 457 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,645 for any connections between the carver. Family 458 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:24,081 and Cole Allen or premium commercial. 459 00:21:24,083 --> 00:21:26,851 There's enough on the surface of the two shootings 460 00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:28,419 that police are looking into whether or not 461 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,154 there's a connection there. 462 00:21:30,156 --> 00:21:32,156 In both cases, the attacker shot the victim 463 00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:34,625 in the face before walking away. 464 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,261 This was something that breathed a little air 465 00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:39,964 back into the investigation. 466 00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:44,101 There was talk that perhaps 467 00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:45,803 the carver.S had taken out a loan, 468 00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:47,738 and that was not true. 469 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:50,274 I had never heard of Cole Allen in my entire life. 470 00:21:50,276 --> 00:21:53,477 What could possibly be the connection there? 471 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:57,515 But the police thought it was such an oddity. 472 00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:59,617 It actually led to more questioning. 473 00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,719 And, truthfully, it led to a lot of disappointment. 474 00:22:03,222 --> 00:22:05,656 Fountain valley was unable to identify 475 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:08,726 anything that remotely linked 476 00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,795 Jane carver. With Cole Allen. 477 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,631 It was a dead end. 478 00:22:13,633 --> 00:22:15,833 It seemed as if this lead really had been snuffed out 479 00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,902 before it could even go anywhere. 480 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:22,807 I mean, there's a little bit of panic there. 481 00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,975 We just didn't know if it was ever gonna be solved. 482 00:22:24,977 --> 00:22:27,511 There's all these different phases 483 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:30,181 that you go through, and anger was one of them. 484 00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:32,016 Why US? 485 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:33,818 Why her? 486 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:36,554 Why US as a family? 487 00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:39,023 It was difficult, though, because who are you angry with? 488 00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:41,225 Besides... I guess, god? 489 00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:43,627 These feelings that we went through, my dad and brother 490 00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:46,197 and I... It lasted weeks, months. 491 00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:48,899 It was drawn out. 492 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:53,504 Kim brown, I remember her 493 00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:58,342 giving US hope, saying, "we will find this person. 494 00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,845 You just have to be patient." 495 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:04,348 We believed Kim, but our Patience was 496 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:08,352 really dwindling and we needed closure. 497 00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:10,554 Fountain valley residents 498 00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,357 wondered if their perfection could ever return. 499 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,227 But the lack of leads in two horrific crimes 500 00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:18,262 seemed to hold little promise. 501 00:23:18,264 --> 00:23:21,098 The Jane carver. Case has gone cold. 502 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,934 And then the wengert attack, 503 00:23:23,936 --> 00:23:25,436 especially with the death of Cole Allen, 504 00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:27,138 that's gone cold. 505 00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:30,274 It doesn't look promising, but then, something happens. 506 00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:33,344 Ten days after the shooting of James wengert, 507 00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:35,913 Cole Allen's widow gets a phone call. 508 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:38,616 And the person that's on the phone identifies himself 509 00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,384 as the triggerman. 510 00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:43,354 The shooter believed wengert had, in fact, died 511 00:23:43,356 --> 00:23:44,955 on that garage floor, 512 00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:48,426 and he was seeking payment, as Cole was dead. 513 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:53,063 Everything indicated that Cole Allen likely hired someone 514 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:56,100 to kill James wengert for the life insurance payout. 515 00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:59,737 I needed to ascertain who this person was. 516 00:23:59,739 --> 00:24:03,441 Who did Cole Allen hire to shoot James wengert? 517 00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:19,390 The surprise death of orange county's most dangerous 518 00:24:19,392 --> 00:24:22,626 loan shark, Cole Allen, left detectives at a dead end. 519 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,495 Jane carver.'S brutal execution 520 00:24:24,497 --> 00:24:28,098 and the near-fatal attempt on James wengert's life 521 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,401 were like eerie mirrors of each other. 522 00:24:30,403 --> 00:24:33,137 Was this a random reflection? 523 00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:37,141 Or did the surface match reveal a deeper connection? 524 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:40,044 About ten days after James wengert had been shot, 525 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:44,381 Cole Allen's widow contacted law enforcement 526 00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:47,151 to report that a man had called her, 527 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:51,455 indicated he shot someone at the direction of Cole Allen, 528 00:24:51,457 --> 00:24:53,324 and he was demanding to be paid. 529 00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:57,194 The caller was identified as Paul alleyne. 530 00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:02,333 We were able to find business records from premium commercial 531 00:25:02,335 --> 00:25:04,635 that tied Paul alleyne 532 00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:06,937 directly to Cole Allen. 533 00:25:06,939 --> 00:25:09,473 Paul alleyne is a man 534 00:25:09,475 --> 00:25:11,208 who is in desperate straits. 535 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:13,978 Paul alleyne owns an auto parts store and he also 536 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:15,980 owes money to Coleman Allen. 537 00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:17,615 He's borrowed $30,000 538 00:25:17,617 --> 00:25:22,186 with 36% interest compounded annually. 539 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:23,854 This is a man who was under the gun. 540 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,489 Could Paul alleyne's 541 00:25:25,491 --> 00:25:27,291 insurmountable obligation 542 00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:30,995 to Cole Allen have forced his hand to commit murder? 543 00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:35,499 A debt forgiven in exchange for an unforgivable act? 544 00:25:35,501 --> 00:25:39,270 We showed a photographic lineup to James wengert, 545 00:25:39,272 --> 00:25:41,839 and he positively identified 546 00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:45,843 Paul alleyne as the person who shot him in the face. 547 00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:47,845 Suddenly, things are starting to make sense. 548 00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:49,179 Dots are being connected. 549 00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:51,148 They pick him up and they bring him in. 550 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:53,517 They hope that Paul alleyne is the key that's gonna unlock 551 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,519 the door to this case. 552 00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:57,354 During the interview of Paul alleyne, 553 00:25:57,356 --> 00:26:00,291 he continued to deny any involvement 554 00:26:00,293 --> 00:26:02,159 in the shooting of James wengert. 555 00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:04,995 So I challenged him on that. 556 00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:06,530 And, in fact, told him, 557 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:10,167 that James wengert had not died on that garage floor. 558 00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:11,835 This got a visible reaction 559 00:26:11,837 --> 00:26:15,005 from alleyne, who seemed to be surprised. 560 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,041 He composed himself 561 00:26:17,043 --> 00:26:19,577 rather quickly, and then said, "well, it's a racial thing. 562 00:26:19,579 --> 00:26:23,213 US black guys must all look alike to an old white dude." 563 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,583 It was then that I reminded him 564 00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:28,786 I had never described James wengert to him. 565 00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,355 The only reason he knew he was "an old white dude" 566 00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:35,059 was because he was the shooter. 567 00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:37,528 I concluded the interview, while I went 568 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:39,229 out into the office and asked 569 00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,999 fountain valley to use Paul alleyne's photograph 570 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:45,035 in a lineup with their witnesses. 571 00:26:45,037 --> 00:26:48,872 I was hopeful that if alleyne was the person shooting 572 00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:52,343 James wengert for Cole Allen, maybe he had been involved 573 00:26:52,345 --> 00:26:55,779 in shooting Jane carver., as well. 574 00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:58,449 It was a long shot, but you have 575 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,051 to just touch every base in hopes 576 00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:03,287 that you find the right answers. 577 00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:09,226 News gets back to fountain valley 578 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:11,662 about the arrest of Paul alleyne. 579 00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:13,897 And hope surges-- this is what people have been waiting for. 580 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:15,899 This feels like a break in the case. 581 00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:18,836 We were very hopeful that this was our suspect, too. 582 00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:21,305 Unfortunately, Paul alleyne's 583 00:27:21,307 --> 00:27:24,308 picture and description did not match our suspect. 584 00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:29,847 It was disappointing. 585 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:32,816 He was not picked out by the eyewitnesses 586 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:35,519 as the shooter of Jane carver.. 587 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:38,322 Back to square one for fountain valley, and I 588 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:40,691 had to prepare for the prosecution of Paul alleyne 589 00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:42,026 for shooting wengert. 590 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,330 The case consumes you. 591 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:48,065 I'm thinking, "innocent victim, 592 00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:50,300 "mother of two children, 593 00:27:50,302 --> 00:27:51,835 "loved by everybody, 594 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:55,739 with absolutely no reason to be killed." 595 00:27:55,741 --> 00:27:57,574 This guy has to be out there. 596 00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:59,777 He just has to be out there. 597 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:02,980 We as a family, we're also 598 00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:04,882 concerned that we never find this person. 599 00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:09,019 Here is the angel pins 600 00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:11,622 that we got from one of our friends. 601 00:28:11,624 --> 00:28:14,191 She brought them to everybody. 602 00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:16,293 Then we all started wearing the angel pins, 603 00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:20,664 because Jane was our angel looking over US. 604 00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:25,169 We wore them to work on our uniform. 605 00:28:25,171 --> 00:28:26,870 We wore them every day 606 00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:28,505 on our little lapels. 607 00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:31,709 We hoped for something good to happen, 608 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:33,677 but we were so afraid that 609 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,747 this was going to just be a cold case. 610 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,350 We were confident in 611 00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:41,685 the people that were investigating 612 00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:42,753 and sticking with it-- we really were. 613 00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,054 We knew they were 614 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:45,689 adamant about catching this person, 615 00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:47,157 but at the same time, 616 00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:49,693 without any leads, it was, it was tough. 617 00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:50,861 We knew it was tough for them. 618 00:28:50,863 --> 00:28:52,663 Hope, however fleeting, 619 00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:54,231 would not be lost, 620 00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:55,999 thanks to the relentless determination 621 00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,402 of one of o.C.'S finest. 622 00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,904 Christine Murray was going through the transcripts 623 00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,040 of the interrogation of Paul alleyne, 624 00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:05,075 and there on that page, 625 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:07,344 when she reads this piece of information, 626 00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:09,713 it hits her like a thunderbolt. 627 00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:11,081 I found this 628 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:13,851 little... nugget of information. 629 00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,354 Maybe a little piece of hope for fountain valley 630 00:29:17,356 --> 00:29:18,856 and Jane carver.. 631 00:29:18,858 --> 00:29:21,759 Near the end of the tape, 632 00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:25,295 Paul alleyne made an offhanded remark to my partner 633 00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:27,765 that Cole Allen was mad 634 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:30,734 at a guy named Leonard Mundy, 635 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:33,170 because Leonard shot the wrong person once. 636 00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:36,740 It turns out that 637 00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:40,744 Coleman Allen had sent another person to do a job 638 00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:42,446 and it didn't go well. 639 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:46,350 Could that have been the shooting of Jane carver.? 640 00:29:46,352 --> 00:29:49,520 There was some inquiry by my partner as who was this? 641 00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:52,222 What do you mean he shot the wrong person? 642 00:29:52,224 --> 00:29:55,125 Alleyne did not have any details. 643 00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:56,727 Hearing this on the tape, 644 00:29:56,729 --> 00:30:00,531 what other murder happened that I didn't know about? 645 00:30:00,533 --> 00:30:03,367 Who was the wrong person that got shot? 646 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:06,670 And who was Leonard Mundy? 647 00:30:20,251 --> 00:30:22,519 Would one last lead 648 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:25,088 help detectives find justice for Jane? 649 00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:28,192 Or would her murder be left unsolved? 650 00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:32,629 Who was Leonard Mundy and who did Leonard shoot? 651 00:30:32,631 --> 00:30:36,500 A twisted piece of the puzzle in the James wengert attack 652 00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:38,936 revealed that there may be another shooter out there 653 00:30:38,938 --> 00:30:42,372 doing the dirty work of Cole Allen. 654 00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:45,709 I started going through all of the documents 655 00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,979 we had seized from premium commercial, 656 00:30:48,981 --> 00:30:52,082 but now instead of looking for a needle in a haystack, 657 00:30:52,084 --> 00:30:53,650 we needed to find Leonard Mundy's 658 00:30:53,652 --> 00:30:57,321 connection to Cole Allen and the business, 659 00:30:57,323 --> 00:31:00,757 and could it have anything to do with fountain valley? 660 00:31:02,661 --> 00:31:06,163 Leonard Mundy is another small-business man. 661 00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:07,698 And he's taken out a loan from Coleman Allen. 662 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,199 In fact, he's taken out two. 663 00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:12,336 There's a $40,000 loan and then a month later, another one. 664 00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:14,872 These are not numbers that he can handle. 665 00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:17,474 He is in a race to the bottom. 666 00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:19,676 There's nothing about Leonard Mundy's background 667 00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:22,045 that suggests that he's a violent man or a criminal. 668 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,714 But, you know, things change, 669 00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:25,148 especially when people are desperate. 670 00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:28,185 But beyond the now-clear connection 671 00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:30,420 between Cole Allen and Leonard Mundy, 672 00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:34,258 a more tenuous link was about to reveal itself, 673 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:36,260 as investigators tore through the filing cabinets 674 00:31:36,262 --> 00:31:39,930 at Cole Allen's business, premium commercial. 675 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:43,000 I came across a file 676 00:31:43,002 --> 00:31:46,703 that listed a residential location 677 00:31:46,705 --> 00:31:50,007 in fountain valley and the owners of that property 678 00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:52,910 were Margaret and James wengert. 679 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:54,711 At the time wengert was shot, 680 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:57,481 they resided in the city of San clemente. 681 00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:59,883 So that led me to reach out to the wengerts 682 00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,985 and what I learned was 683 00:32:01,987 --> 00:32:04,388 at the time of Jane carver.'S murder, 684 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,024 the wengerts did, in fact, live in fountain valley. 685 00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:09,660 If the wengerts and the carver.S 686 00:32:09,662 --> 00:32:12,729 both lived amidst the planned perfection of fountain valley, 687 00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,365 could there be a more elusive connection? 688 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:18,435 Something that tied back to the same slice of orange county 689 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,437 both claimed as their own? 690 00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:22,739 So I conducted a follow-up interview 691 00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:24,708 with the wengerts and spoke 692 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:27,210 with Margaret wengert, who went by the name Peggy. 693 00:32:27,212 --> 00:32:29,146 And Peggy told me that 694 00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:32,215 her husband and Cole Allen had used their home 695 00:32:32,217 --> 00:32:34,952 in fountain valley as collateral to secure 696 00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:38,956 the business loan James wengert obtained from Cole Allen 697 00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:40,390 without her knowledge. 698 00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:42,592 And, in fact, had forged her signature. 699 00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:44,895 Cole Allen had been attempting to seize 700 00:32:44,897 --> 00:32:47,831 that house against the debt wengert had accrued. 701 00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:51,868 And as a result, Peggy filed a civil lawsuit 702 00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:53,203 against Cole Allen 703 00:32:53,205 --> 00:32:55,772 for fraudulent business practices, 704 00:32:55,774 --> 00:32:57,908 and that suit was underway 705 00:32:57,910 --> 00:33:00,577 in June of 1995. 706 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,947 By all accounts, Cole Allen was livid and incensed 707 00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:08,318 that Peggy wengert had the audacity to sue him. 708 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,588 I looked at a calendar and realized Peggy wengert 709 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:15,425 was due in court to testify against Cole Allen 710 00:33:15,427 --> 00:33:19,629 three to four days after Jane carver.'S death. 711 00:33:19,631 --> 00:33:21,264 Could that have, in any way, 712 00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:24,768 contributed to the murder of Jane carver.? 713 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:27,671 This new discovery was soaked in mystery. 714 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,940 What had actually connected the dots 715 00:33:29,942 --> 00:33:32,542 on June 10, 1995, 716 00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:36,013 in the pockets of this perfectly planned community? 717 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:39,349 I decided to go look at the wengert house 718 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,151 in fountain valley. 719 00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:45,789 I had driven by using the northbound 405 freeway, 720 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:49,860 and I inadvertently missed the first brookhurst off-ramp, 721 00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:52,863 which is what I needed to get to the wengert home, 722 00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:56,666 and instead took a cloverleaf, or looping, off-ramp, 723 00:33:56,668 --> 00:34:00,670 that pointed me in the direction of the carver. Home. 724 00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:03,607 And that made me start to wonder, 725 00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:06,209 could someone else have made that same mistake? 726 00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:13,683 Fountain valley is a master-planned community, 727 00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:15,485 and many of the residential communities 728 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,321 tend to look a little bit alike. 729 00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:20,357 And I realized, if someone told you to turn right 730 00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:23,727 when you got off the freeway, take the first turn, 731 00:34:23,729 --> 00:34:26,229 pass a park, 732 00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:30,767 and the next left takes you into the wengert residence, 733 00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:34,738 those same directions get you to where Jane carver. Was shot, 734 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,641 if you made that mistake on the off-ramp. 735 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:41,878 The two houses were almost a mirror-image pattern 736 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,380 away from the freeway. 737 00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:45,182 If a driver wasn't attentive 738 00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:47,751 and didn't know whether they were taking the north exit 739 00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:49,719 or the south exit, they could have ended up 740 00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:51,021 in front of the wrong house. 741 00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:53,590 And at the time of Jane carver.'S murder, 742 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,527 Peggy wengert was Cole Allen's biggest threat. 743 00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,763 What if Jane carver. Were killed 744 00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:02,099 because the master plan of fountain valley 745 00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:05,936 had undermined the master plan of Coleman Allen? 746 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,073 I couldn't get past the gut feeling 747 00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,542 that led me to call fountain valley back and say, 748 00:35:12,544 --> 00:35:14,845 "I need you to do one more photo lineup for me, 749 00:35:14,847 --> 00:35:16,346 "and I want you to put in 750 00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:19,950 a guy by the name of Leonard Mundy." 751 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,386 When that photo came up, 752 00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:25,789 there was no doubt that that was our suspect. 753 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,725 Their witness identified the shooter 754 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:30,127 of Jane carver. 755 00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:32,295 As Leonard Mundy. 756 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:35,899 I was just so pleased that finally 757 00:35:35,901 --> 00:35:37,634 we had found him. 758 00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:39,469 Fountain valley was able to get 759 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,304 a search warrant of their own 760 00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,440 for premium commercial, looking for documents 761 00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:48,145 to tie Leonard Mundy to Cole Allen and Peggy wengert. 762 00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,013 And they found those documents. 763 00:35:50,015 --> 00:35:53,116 They very much mirrored the types of documents 764 00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:57,854 that Paul alleyne had completed for having shot James wengert. 765 00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,490 Cole Allen was found to have written off 766 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,125 two uncollectable loans, 767 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,728 and Cole Allen didn't write off loans. 768 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:06,663 Cole Allen got his money back. 769 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:07,931 He was all about money. 770 00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:10,100 The paper trail unveiled 771 00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:12,769 Cole Allen's insidious greed. 772 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,838 Those fueled by desperation 773 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,241 would serve as reluctant hit men to eradicate anyone 774 00:36:18,243 --> 00:36:21,811 who dared stand between him and his big payoff. 775 00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:26,016 It was determined that the SWAT team would serve the warrant 776 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:29,519 for Leonard Mundy up in south L.A. 777 00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:32,122 There was a lot of anticipation-- I wanted to see 778 00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:35,525 this person responsible for this horrible crime. 779 00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:45,402 When they brought him out, 780 00:36:45,404 --> 00:36:47,003 it was just a culmination 781 00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:50,307 of all the time, energy and effort put into it, 782 00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:52,375 and being able 783 00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,911 to give the carver. Family some closure. 784 00:36:56,515 --> 00:36:58,815 The arrest of Leonard Mundy 785 00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:00,850 brought to a finish line much of the mystery 786 00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:03,153 that surrounded the death of Jane carver.. 787 00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:05,355 That's when you really start to see all the moving pieces 788 00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:06,823 and how they fit together. 789 00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:08,225 After his arrest, 790 00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:10,393 we needed to talk to him and find out the truth. 791 00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:14,564 It's even harder to believe now than it was then. 792 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,144 Nearing the one-year anniversary 793 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:30,146 of Jane carver.'S execution, 794 00:37:30,148 --> 00:37:33,617 a hidden truth still lingered in the seemingly safe streets 795 00:37:33,619 --> 00:37:36,820 of this perfectly planned place. 796 00:37:36,822 --> 00:37:39,122 Even when you get to the bottom of the mystery, 797 00:37:39,124 --> 00:37:42,092 there's another mystery waiting for you, 798 00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:44,961 which led to the entire unraveling 799 00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:47,163 of this complex riddle. 800 00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,165 What presents itself is that Leonard Mundy 801 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,667 was sent to kill somebody, 802 00:37:50,669 --> 00:37:52,769 but he ended up killing Jane carver.. 803 00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:55,171 What put her in the crosshairs that day? 804 00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:57,674 The answer that they find is a tragic one. 805 00:37:57,676 --> 00:37:59,175 It turns out 806 00:37:59,177 --> 00:38:01,177 she's a victim of mistaken identity. 807 00:38:03,649 --> 00:38:05,915 The actual target 808 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,518 on that June day in 1995 809 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,487 was Peggy wengert. 810 00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:12,155 Peggy wengert 811 00:38:12,157 --> 00:38:13,790 enraged Coleman Allen. 812 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,358 She had brought attention to his criminal enterprises 813 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,260 through a lawsuit, and he was furious. 814 00:38:17,262 --> 00:38:19,462 He's not a guy that you want to make angry. 815 00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:20,797 So he launched an attack, 816 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:23,933 and that attack was Leonard Mundy with a gun. 817 00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:26,136 Leonard Mundy made a wrong turn 818 00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,605 and shot the wrong person. 819 00:38:28,607 --> 00:38:31,374 We did go through all the records 820 00:38:31,376 --> 00:38:35,912 to see what Cole Allen had identifying Peggy wengert. 821 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:38,548 The only picture we were able to find in the files 822 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:41,851 was an old driver's license photo that had been xeroxed. 823 00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:45,655 They may have somewhat, size-wise, looked alike, 824 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:48,858 but obviously he decided that Jane was his target, 825 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:53,463 and whatever amount of money he got was worth taking her life. 826 00:38:56,335 --> 00:38:57,934 Paul alleyne and Leonard Mundy 827 00:38:57,936 --> 00:39:01,037 weren't sophisticated criminals, but they 828 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:02,539 got caught up with... 829 00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:03,973 Pure evil. 830 00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:30,166 I would speculate that Cole Allen used these men 831 00:39:30,168 --> 00:39:33,436 to commit these assaults because he could-- 832 00:39:33,438 --> 00:39:36,072 they were blackmailed into taking actions 833 00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:39,109 of an extremely violent nature. 834 00:39:39,111 --> 00:39:41,411 He could intimidate them, manipulate them, 835 00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:43,880 order them around. 836 00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:46,216 And he didn't have to pay them. 837 00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:50,120 The truth came out, and it was 838 00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:51,921 nothing short of shocking. 839 00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,490 Something that I never 840 00:39:53,492 --> 00:39:54,791 would have guessed. 841 00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,159 It was relief, 842 00:39:56,161 --> 00:39:58,261 but at the same time, 843 00:39:58,263 --> 00:39:59,929 it was the worst kind of scenario, 844 00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:02,732 because we had nothing to do with his business. 845 00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:04,634 Somebody killed Jane, 846 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,971 thinking that she was somebody else. 847 00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:11,341 Are you kidding? This is what actually happened? 848 00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:18,214 That at least gives you some sort of, I guess, closure, 849 00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:19,582 and... 850 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,918 You know, you cross your fingers 851 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,287 and hope that justice is served. 852 00:40:24,289 --> 00:40:26,823 Leonard Mundy was convicted 853 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:28,992 of the brutal killing of Jane carver. 854 00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:30,727 And then was sentenced 855 00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:33,163 to life without the possibility of parole. 856 00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:36,132 Paul alleyne was convicted 857 00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:38,234 of shooting James wengert 858 00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:42,005 and was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. 859 00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:46,376 It was pretty frustrating for US 860 00:40:46,378 --> 00:40:50,380 that Allen wasn't alive to see his day in court. 861 00:40:50,382 --> 00:40:53,183 I feel for Mundy to this day. 862 00:40:53,185 --> 00:40:56,119 He was in a tough spot and had to make a stupid decision 863 00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:58,221 that cost him his life, 864 00:40:58,223 --> 00:41:00,857 and... cost US our mom. 865 00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:05,528 I'm very relieved with this, verdict today. 866 00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:07,530 It's a day that we've long awaited. 867 00:41:07,532 --> 00:41:10,834 It's... kind of signals the, the-the end 868 00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:14,571 of a horrible chapter in the life of our family. 869 00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:19,142 At long last, investigators had delivered 870 00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,044 some measure of justice for Janie. 871 00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:24,180 And the community of fountain valley rallied once more 872 00:41:24,182 --> 00:41:26,483 around the memory of one of their own. 873 00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:28,218 Noteboom: After something, 874 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:29,853 you know, so horrible, 875 00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:32,155 you kind of want it to stand for something, 876 00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:33,823 and... and you don't want people 877 00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:35,325 to forget. 878 00:41:35,327 --> 00:41:37,660 We all thought we would do something 879 00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:39,462 that Janie would really appreciate. 880 00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:41,431 The marathon came together 881 00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:43,433 as a way to honor Jane. 882 00:41:43,435 --> 00:41:44,767 Jane... 883 00:41:44,769 --> 00:41:45,935 Loved to run, 884 00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:47,904 and she believed in education. 885 00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:49,873 It was a huge success, 886 00:41:49,875 --> 00:41:52,876 and the donations that were made for the run 887 00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:55,512 were going to be given to some students 888 00:41:55,514 --> 00:41:57,347 that needed a scholarship 889 00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:59,616 so that they could go on to college. 890 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,053 The race for Janie 891 00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,755 raised $75,000, 892 00:42:05,757 --> 00:42:09,526 and we had an entry of, 1,200 people. 893 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:14,597 I think the key to solving this case 894 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:16,032 was the community. 895 00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:18,034 The citizens of fountain valley, 896 00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,270 they kept Jane's memory alive, 897 00:42:20,272 --> 00:42:23,606 and, because of that, led US to think: 898 00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:28,411 Is there a relation between a San clemente shooting 899 00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:30,480 and Jane's murder? 900 00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:34,384 It's painful, but I want her to be remembered 901 00:42:34,386 --> 00:42:38,054 so that people know how she was. 902 00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:39,589 I miss her so much. 903 00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:43,126 It's never a hundred percent better, but it's 904 00:42:43,128 --> 00:42:44,160 just a little bit easier 905 00:42:44,162 --> 00:42:45,962 as time goes on. 906 00:42:45,964 --> 00:42:48,398 We've put our best foot forward, and we try 907 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,066 and stay positive as a family, and one thing 908 00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:51,601 that was important with all this is that 909 00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:53,269 it brought my dad and my brother and I 910 00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:54,437 very close together. 911 00:42:54,439 --> 00:42:55,738 If my mom were around today, 912 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,774 I would like to think she'd be still traveling, 913 00:42:57,776 --> 00:43:00,009 hanging out with the-the grandchildren, 914 00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:01,678 hopefully, 915 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,913 keeping my dad good company, 916 00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:05,481 and living life 917 00:43:05,483 --> 00:43:07,183 to the fullest-- she was good at that. 918 00:43:07,185 --> 00:43:10,820 I'd like to think that would carry on to this day. 919 00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,164 For more information on real murders of orange county, 70797

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