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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:20,870 You always hear folklore. 2 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:25,510 You hear horror stories and ghost stories. 3 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:29,080 But a lot of the ones told are true. 4 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:35,580 I'm not worried about a ghost, but I worry about people. 5 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,860 Perhaps that day, maybe he was out hunting. 6 00:00:48,870 --> 00:00:51,310 Like maybe he was just looking for people 7 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:53,600 that he thought he could kill. 8 00:00:55,870 --> 00:00:58,570 We were way out in the middle of nowhere. 9 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:00,370 There was no help. 10 00:01:00,380 --> 00:01:02,380 What are you gonna do? 11 00:01:02,380 --> 00:01:04,310 Just run for your life. 12 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:07,450 13 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:11,850 14 00:01:25,370 --> 00:01:28,300 The appalachian trail follows a path 15 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:29,470 from Georgia to Maine, 16 00:01:29,470 --> 00:01:33,810 2,000 miles along america's oldest mountain chain. 17 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:37,740 To hikers, it's known as simply the a.T. 18 00:01:37,750 --> 00:01:42,720 The appalachian trail is completely isolated. 19 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,620 The enjoyment of the trail 20 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:49,620 is getting out where there is nothing but nature. 21 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:51,830 But one of the drawbacks 22 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:54,160 to the Serenity of the surroundings 23 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,370 is you become very complacent, 24 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:01,470 very comfortable, 25 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:07,170 and you kind of don't see the dangers that lurk. 26 00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:10,340 On a peaceful day in may of 1981, 27 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:14,310 two hikers were walking on this trail. 28 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,580 Bobby mountford and Susan Ramsey 29 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:19,200 were social workers, and part of their hike 30 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:21,320 was to raise money for a facility 31 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,360 for troubled kids up in Maine. 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,090 In 1981, Bobby was hiking 33 00:02:25,090 --> 00:02:27,390 the entire trail from south to north, 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,460 and I believe that Susan had joined him 35 00:02:29,470 --> 00:02:34,110 for several weeks to come up through Virginia. 36 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:40,110 Okay. 37 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:41,710 Okay, I think we're here. 38 00:02:41,710 --> 00:02:43,240 Well, that's a relief. 39 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:46,760 Where is here, exactly? 40 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:49,580 Dismal... 41 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:51,160 Right, it's dismal creek. 42 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:54,820 Yeah. And we're, right on time. 43 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:58,790 Excellent. Okay, so, from here, 44 00:02:58,790 --> 00:03:00,790 it's another three miles to wapiti shelter. 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,560 We're just gonna camp there overnight. 46 00:03:02,570 --> 00:03:06,840 And then from there, it is 17 miles into town. 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,240 Okay. Man. 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,070 There was also a gentleman there. 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,780 He's a very sheepish-looking guy. 50 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:20,680 Bobby. 51 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:31,220 If you know where to go looking, 52 00:03:31,230 --> 00:03:34,790 there's arrowheads all over these here parts. 53 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,430 Indian arrowheads. 54 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:39,030 I could show you how to spot 'em if you like. 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Sure, if you're going our way. 56 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:46,240 He doesn't look at you. 57 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,980 He -- when he talks to you, he kind of looks down. 58 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:51,880 Bobby: We could always use the extra company. 59 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,780 You from around these parts? 60 00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,490 I sure am pleased to meet you. 61 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,690 Okay. Bobby. 62 00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:05,360 Susan: Hi, Susan. 63 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,360 They talked for a few minutes. They had a conversation. 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,170 Then they left together, walking down the trail. 65 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:15,330 Follow you. Yeah, sure. 66 00:04:15,340 --> 00:04:16,800 By day's end, 67 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:17,670 all three would become 68 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:21,640 etched into appalachian trail lore forever. 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,980 I live out here. 70 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:28,310 The lingering memory of what happened persists there 71 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,180 really to this day. 72 00:04:31,190 --> 00:04:33,090 Almost 27 years later, 73 00:04:33,090 --> 00:04:35,690 33-year-old Sean farmer is on his way 74 00:04:35,690 --> 00:04:38,830 to visit the same section of the appalachian trail. 75 00:04:38,830 --> 00:04:43,160 Dismal creek is in the southwestern part of our county. 76 00:04:43,170 --> 00:04:46,510 It's a gloomy name, but, I mean, it's just a beautiful place 77 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,100 to go and relax and enjoy yourself. 78 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:50,680 Well, I'm originally from bluefield, Virginia. 79 00:04:50,670 --> 00:04:53,340 It's right on the border of Virginia and West Virginia. 80 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:54,640 It's in the appalachian mountains. 81 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,110 Yeah, I'd say the biggest part of my life 82 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:58,380 when I was a kid was fishing or, 83 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:01,150 you know, camping, stuff like that. 84 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:14,790 That day, I was planning to go meet 85 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,500 my friend Scott Johnson. 86 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:18,330 I grew up with Scott. 87 00:05:18,330 --> 00:05:23,170 Um, he and I'd fished our whole lives together. 88 00:05:23,170 --> 00:05:26,570 He was a great fishing buddy. 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Hey, man. Give me 20 bucks on pump two. 90 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,620 You bet. 91 00:05:43,630 --> 00:05:46,160 And one of these. 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,190 You set to hike the a.T.? 93 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,800 No. 94 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,670 Just doing some fishing. Up above dismal falls. 95 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:55,900 Dismal? 96 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,370 Them two hikers, 97 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:03,940 they seen some funny things up that way. 98 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,780 Strange marks on the rocks along the creek. 99 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:11,120 Scared them boys into coming back down here 100 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,850 and hiking the highway till they reached town. 101 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,190 Need a receipt? 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,770 Nah, man. I'm good. 103 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,500 Well, you be careful out there. 104 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:27,300 Watch out for them cougars and what have you. 105 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:31,740 Where we were on -- 106 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:34,110 up there on dismal creek was really isolated, 107 00:06:34,110 --> 00:06:37,910 and it was about as far back as you could be. 108 00:07:19,090 --> 00:07:22,420 Scott and I had camped at dismal creek four, 109 00:07:22,420 --> 00:07:23,120 five times before, 110 00:07:23,130 --> 00:07:25,570 and fished several times in the past. 111 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,200 That's kind of like our backyard, almost. 112 00:07:31,330 --> 00:07:32,670 That day, when I pulled up to the campsite, 113 00:07:32,670 --> 00:07:35,900 his truck was there, his tent was already set up. 114 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:40,610 Scott wasn't there. 115 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,700 You must be Sean. 116 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:05,530 That's right. 117 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:08,730 Scott said he'd be meeting you here. 118 00:08:10,470 --> 00:08:12,140 I'm Ricky Williams. 119 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:16,610 Ricky Williams, like the football player. 120 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:18,810 You don't look much like him. 121 00:08:18,810 --> 00:08:22,010 No. I don't guess I do. 122 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:23,650 Thing is, me and Scott 123 00:08:23,650 --> 00:08:26,290 were doing some fishing down along the dismal. 124 00:08:26,290 --> 00:08:29,490 He said I -- I could join you for supper. 125 00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:34,260 Yeah, that's cool, man. You can do that. 126 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:44,100 That's good. 127 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:47,140 We'll need some wood for a fire. 128 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:49,780 You do that. I'll finish this. 129 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:53,110 I didn't think much of it at first. 130 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,420 He was kind of a weird guy, you know. 131 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:57,120 There is a code on the -- on the appalachian trail, 132 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,280 you know, to help each other out 133 00:08:58,290 --> 00:09:01,820 and befriend each other and just be there, 134 00:09:01,820 --> 00:09:03,220 and if someone's in need, 135 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:04,430 maybe share something you have, 136 00:09:04,430 --> 00:09:08,490 and maybe they'll share something they have with you. 137 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:16,670 Dude. 138 00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:17,200 Scott. 139 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:19,540 You made it, man. Yeah, man. 140 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:22,480 Hey, check this out. 141 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,780 Nice. Nice. Ooh! 142 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:26,180 Babies are biting. Yes. 143 00:09:26,180 --> 00:09:28,150 Hey, well, let's get a fire started. 144 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:30,050 Let's do it. All right, man. 145 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:32,790 Eventually, Scott came up from the river. 146 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:33,820 Several hours passed, 147 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:34,950 and, you know, we cleaned the fish, 148 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,460 then we cooked out and made some burgers, 149 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:41,590 and it was getting dark. 150 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,150 Williams: Guess you boys know these woods pretty good? 151 00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:56,790 Bet you know about the trail that is going through here, 152 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:59,950 the appalachian trail. 153 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,250 Yeah, I guess you must have 154 00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:06,090 heard tell about the a.T. Killer. 155 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:12,190 That happened down in, Carolina, right? 156 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:16,300 The a.T. Killer, in '81? 157 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:17,160 No, sir. 158 00:10:17,170 --> 00:10:19,530 That was right here in Virginia, 159 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:23,610 not too far from this spot, mind you. 160 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:26,780 Just a few yards on down the trail. 161 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,460 In 1981, after social workers Susan and Bobby 162 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:50,060 met a stranger along dismal creek, 163 00:10:50,070 --> 00:10:53,340 they made camp at wapiti shelter. 164 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:05,780 So you two boyfriend and girlfriend like? 165 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:07,950 Well, we -- 166 00:11:07,950 --> 00:11:10,180 we're really good friends. 167 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:11,760 Yeah. We work together 168 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:14,920 at a place for people who don't have anywhere to go. 169 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Susan felt that he was harmless, 170 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,430 that he basically was a person 171 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:21,460 who was mentally or -- 172 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:23,700 or even physically challenged in some way 173 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:25,870 and unable to maneuver the trail, 174 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:30,140 and so she felt like she needed to take him, assist him. 175 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:32,340 Being a social worker is a great thing, 176 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:38,080 but in this case, it might've been the downfall. 177 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Hey, do you have a place to call home? 178 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:46,690 Indians were in these woods 179 00:11:46,690 --> 00:11:49,790 10,000 years 'fore US, you know? 180 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:52,690 We're just interlopers. 181 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:54,430 Do you know what them Indians did 182 00:11:54,430 --> 00:11:57,660 when the first settlers come up here? 183 00:11:57,670 --> 00:12:03,800 Oldest grave in these parts is Mary Porter's, 1742. 184 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,920 The Indians got her. 185 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:08,370 They killed her. 186 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:24,070 Listen, I gotta get out of here. 187 00:12:54,020 --> 00:12:56,060 Now is the time. 188 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:57,860 Now is the hour. 189 00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:59,790 Ours is the magic. 190 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,370 Ours is the power. 191 00:13:03,370 --> 00:13:05,140 Ours is the power. 192 00:13:05,130 --> 00:13:07,230 Now. 193 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,780 Now. 194 00:13:08,770 --> 00:13:12,740 Now. Now. Now. Now. 195 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:24,550 On may 19, 1981, 196 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:28,250 Bob mountford and Susan Ramsey were on 197 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:29,960 the appalachian trail in 198 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,390 the dismal creek area of giles county. 199 00:13:32,390 --> 00:13:35,290 Now. Now. Now. 200 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:38,600 Now. Now. Now. 201 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,900 Now. Now. 202 00:14:24,010 --> 00:14:27,750 Ricky: Took a week 'fore they found 'em. 203 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:34,290 All tied up in their bedrolls, 204 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:37,660 buried in shallow graves. 205 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:40,290 Sean and Scott had come to dismal creek 206 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:42,240 to fish in may 2008. 207 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:44,830 It was something they'd done a lot before. 208 00:14:44,830 --> 00:14:48,330 Sean found a man there, Ricky Williams. 209 00:14:48,340 --> 00:14:50,770 They invite Ricky to have supper with them. 210 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:53,940 They tried to take care of him a little bit. 211 00:14:53,940 --> 00:14:57,040 That's one hell of a story. 212 00:14:57,050 --> 00:15:00,090 Happened right around here, 213 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,180 not one mile away. 214 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:13,330 You ought to hear the rest of it. 215 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,890 Now it was up to the sheriff 216 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:19,670 to find the fellow who'd done all this. 217 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:25,780 People were terrified. 218 00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:27,740 They -- they thought that there was a, 219 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:29,110 you know, a killer on the loose. 220 00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:31,010 No one knew what had happened. 221 00:15:31,010 --> 00:15:32,210 No one knew who had done it. 222 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:34,350 The entire appalachian trail in Virginia 223 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:36,450 was shut down by the authorities. 224 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:38,420 There was a -- a large, 225 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:40,190 police presence all along the trail. 226 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:42,020 People were trying to find hikers 227 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:45,520 and make sure people were safe. 228 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:50,140 In 1981, I was a deputy sheriff. 229 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:53,170 I investigated robberies, rapes, murders, 230 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:54,670 thefts, bad checks. 231 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:57,900 Whatever was reported, we handled. 232 00:15:57,910 --> 00:16:02,710 This case will forever be with me. 233 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:09,720 Hey. 234 00:16:17,420 --> 00:16:19,090 We found a book. 235 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:22,060 There was a blood smudge on the book 236 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:23,900 with a fingerprint in it. 237 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:27,230 Okay, we got a thumbprint here. 238 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,510 You think that's blood? 239 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:30,740 We'll find out. 240 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:33,810 The fingerprint found in the book 241 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:37,710 matched a pearisburg, Virginia, resident with no prior history 242 00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:42,680 of violence -- 27-year-old Randall Lee Smith. 243 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,250 Randall Lee Smith? 244 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:46,790 Who's Randall Lee Smith? 245 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,190 Randall Smith had grown up on the outskirts 246 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 of the town of pearisburg. 247 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,700 Smith lived with his mother 248 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,230 after his mother and father divorced 249 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,010 and his father left. 250 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,900 He had an aunt and uncle that lived next door, 251 00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:07,280 and the uncle would take him camping, um, 252 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,180 along the same area 253 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:10,280 of national forest and appalachian trail 254 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,650 that would later figure so much in his life 255 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,820 and those of his victims. 256 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,640 Ms. Smith, we're here about -- I know why you're here. 257 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,910 And you ain't coming in, not without a warrant. 258 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:10,040 Randall Smith lived a -- almost a secluded life, 259 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,140 and he had acquired the nickname "l.R." 260 00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:15,410 For "lyin' Randall." 261 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:17,410 He was an outcast all his life. 262 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:20,150 He basically just stayed at home 263 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:22,920 with his mother or collected arrowheads 264 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,520 out in the national forest. 265 00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:56,580 We went and -- and searched the house. 266 00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:58,920 We found several pictures 267 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,690 of naked women taped together. 268 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:09,130 Lawson, over here. 269 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:21,510 We found some cutoff shorts. 270 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:23,810 It looked like there was something red 271 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:24,980 all over these shorts. 272 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,310 Well, through our investigation, 273 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:29,610 we determined the blood in the shorts were -- 274 00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:32,650 were Susan's. 275 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:42,490 Narrator: Several weeks later, 276 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,800 investigators arrested Randall Lee Smith 277 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,630 in south Carolina and returned him to Virginia. 278 00:19:53,370 --> 00:19:56,510 Randall Smith had a lot of mystery 279 00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:57,510 that stayed with him, 280 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:59,180 why he did such a horrible thing. 281 00:19:59,180 --> 00:20:01,910 I'm told that when the investigators asked him 282 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,780 about it in 1981, 283 00:20:03,790 --> 00:20:06,660 he just said he didn't want to talk about it. 284 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:10,470 In 1982, Smith pled guilty 285 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:13,790 to the murders of Susan Ramsey and Robert mountford Jr. 286 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,270 And was sentenced to 30 years in prison. 287 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:21,100 Hikers for years have recorded how they were feeling haunted, 288 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:22,500 feeling eerie, 289 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:24,540 not feeling comfortable in that area. 290 00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:28,310 Whether it's superstition or just respect or -- 291 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:30,380 or just a -- a knowledge of the history, 292 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,110 hikers have been reluctant 293 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:36,880 to stay in wapiti shelter since then. 294 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,020 And locals never forgot the name Randall Lee Smith. 295 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:48,390 My fears really came about once I knew the sentence he got. 296 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,360 I knew that he would walk out at some point in time 297 00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:55,900 and be back in society. 298 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:56,870 I never had a doubt 299 00:20:56,870 --> 00:21:00,870 that he was capable of doing it again. 300 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,520 Ricky: Yeah. 301 00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:06,380 They found the guy. 302 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:08,650 Locked him in a cage. 303 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:14,690 Well, good. 304 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:18,960 That'll keep the woods safe for the rest of US. 305 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,770 Listen, guys. I -- I gotta get out of here. 306 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,220 Dude. Where did you find this guy? 307 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:54,530 Man, he just showed up when I was fishing. 308 00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:56,230 He stands on the bank and tells me 309 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:58,830 there ain't no fish no more in dismal creek. 310 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:00,030 I said, "maybe for you, buddy. 311 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:01,730 I got 'em jumping in the cooler." 312 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:05,100 Next thing I know, he's up here talking to you. 313 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:09,470 He told me you invited him here for supper. 314 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,580 That guy? Yeah. 315 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:13,650 Man, I just told him we were making camp up here. 316 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:15,850 Man. 317 00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:25,820 Fire's dying. 318 00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:06,470 Narrator: After meeting a stranger 319 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:09,770 near the site of a 1981 double murder, 320 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:14,210 campers Scott and Sean think they're alone. 321 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Now is the time. 322 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:20,150 Now is the hour. 323 00:23:20,150 --> 00:23:22,310 Ours is the magic. 324 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Ours is the power. 325 00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:27,290 Ours is the power. 326 00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:29,990 Now. Now. 327 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:30,990 Now. 328 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:34,560 Now. Now. Now. 329 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Now. 330 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:56,920 I didn't know what really happened. 331 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,220 Like, I just knew my head was ringing 332 00:23:59,220 --> 00:24:00,790 and like I was drooling 333 00:24:00,790 --> 00:24:03,960 and I couldn't see from my left eye. 334 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,090 And then I saw fire come from his hand. 335 00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:10,160 And that's when he shot Scott in the neck. 336 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,160 And at that point, I knew I'd been shot. 337 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:17,640 Scott was kind of, like, turned and then ran. 338 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,270 And then the guy shot him a couple more times in the back. 339 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,340 This all happened so fast. 340 00:24:22,340 --> 00:24:25,040 I was just like, "well, I'm either gonna run 341 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:27,050 or I gotta get him." 342 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:27,780 Then when I ran at him, 343 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:32,280 he turned and shot at me one more time. 344 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:34,950 He didn't say anything when he was shooting US. 345 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,420 He just sort of had this blank look on his face. 346 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:41,030 Maybe he was just looking for people 347 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:41,930 that he thought he could kill 348 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:47,200 and maybe felt like we were two candidates. 349 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:06,220 Scott was shot in the neck. 350 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:08,020 He had to put his finger 351 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:12,320 over the hole to keep it from bleeding. 352 00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:16,660 He was able to have enough wits about him, 353 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:19,030 "I need to get out of here." 354 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:27,510 At the same time, 355 00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:30,940 Sean is desperate to make his escape. 356 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:32,590 I knew my keys were in the Jeep. 357 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:33,550 It was backed into the campsite, 358 00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:37,150 so I just knew I had to jump in there and punch it. 359 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,850 Now is the time. 360 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:42,630 Now is the hour. 361 00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:44,760 Ours is the magic. 362 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,860 Ours is the power. 363 00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:49,130 Ours is the power. 364 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:50,660 I saw him point the gun at me 365 00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:54,180 and I just put my arm straight towards it. 366 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,300 And then there were no more bullets. 367 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,380 Somehow, Sean makes it out of the campground, 368 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,610 but he still doesn't know the whole story. 369 00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:14,620 In 1996, Randall Smith is paroled from prison. 370 00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:17,190 He returns to the edge of pearisburg, Virginia, 371 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:18,720 and he moves in with his mother 372 00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:20,360 in the same house where he grew up. 373 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:24,930 Four years after he gets home, his mother dies of cancer. 374 00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:28,230 I sure am pleased to meet you. 375 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,970 The convicted killer of Susan Ramsey 376 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:35,410 and Bobby mountford kept mostly to himself. 377 00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:38,240 I really don't think that the community 378 00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:39,140 where his mother's house 379 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:41,710 was located were very comfortable 380 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,780 when he came back there. 381 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:45,980 I wouldn't have been if I lived there. 382 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:48,120 In may of 2008, 383 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,660 five days before the shooting of Sean and Scott, 384 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:56,760 a family friend reported Randall Lee Smith missing. 385 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,500 We went to, the Smith house 386 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,540 to do a welfare check. 387 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:11,180 Got a lot of mail. 388 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:14,210 Oof! This place could use a paint job. 389 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Just keep an eye out for anything funny. 390 00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:22,650 All right. 391 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,560 Do me a favor. Check in with the neighbors. 392 00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:34,730 Maybe they saw something we can use. 393 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,710 Right. With his prior history, 394 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,800 we had to see if anybody had seen him 395 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:43,110 or heard from him or, you know, 396 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:45,940 maybe seen something suspicious. 397 00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:49,410 I'm gonna get some fliers made up. 398 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:05,500 So Randall left town? 399 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,130 That's what we're hoping to find out. 400 00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:11,810 That boy never could keep a story straight. 401 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:13,910 Did you check the house? Yep. 402 00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:16,010 Shut down. 403 00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:20,510 Well, if he ain't there, I bet he's gone for good, 404 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,490 lest he's gone up to the mountain. 405 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,350 Well, if you don't mind putting those up 406 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:26,680 where folks'd see it, 407 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:29,390 letting US know if he turns up. 408 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:32,360 All right. 409 00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:43,400 What kind of trouble you into this time? 410 00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:51,980 I didn't know if Scott was gonna live or die. 411 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:58,450 I was just thinking about, "get out of there and survive." 412 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,960 Scott! 413 00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:15,970 Sean and Scott are miraculously still alive 414 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:18,900 after suffering multiple gunshot wounds. 415 00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:21,410 Come on, man. 416 00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:25,940 Hey, you all right? 417 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:28,680 Now, their only hope of rescue 418 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,850 is to make their way down miles of treacherous mountain roads. 419 00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:36,420 Gangloff: I've driven that mountain. 420 00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:37,320 There are cliffs along the way. 421 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:41,370 There's any number of places they could get into trouble. 422 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,900 Here, man. 423 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,630 Call the cops. 424 00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:49,230 Has it got signal? 425 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:57,440 Man, we just drive till we find somebody, all right? 426 00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,050 All right. Somebody to help US. 427 00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:27,670 Scott. 428 00:30:30,510 --> 00:30:33,880 Are you with me, man? Are you okay? 429 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:39,350 Scott. Please just tell me 430 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:41,790 we're not gonna die. 431 00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:43,090 Please tell me we're not gonna die. 432 00:30:43,090 --> 00:30:45,720 Dude, where are your keys at? 433 00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:52,360 My truck. 434 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:57,100 Man, help me. Help me look behind US, man. 435 00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,970 Tell me if you see him. 436 00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:12,380 Sean and Scott are shot multiple times. 437 00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:14,220 It's amazing that they're staying conscious, 438 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:18,290 much less they've got to negotiate a twisting, 439 00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:21,090 winding road down the mountain. 440 00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:24,230 Hey! 441 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:25,360 Stay with me, man. 442 00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:27,670 The whole way down the mountain, 443 00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:31,340 it's getting darker and darker. 444 00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:33,100 I'm behind the wheel, but, I mean, 445 00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:35,040 my head is ringing so bad. 446 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,480 Like, I can't... Even words or anything -- 447 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,310 any sound hurts even worse. 448 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:42,510 I can't see out of my left eye. I can hear. 449 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,880 Like, Scott's talking. He's worried to death about me. 450 00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,150 Man, help me. Help me look behind US, man. 451 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,930 Tell me if you see him. 452 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,130 I saw how much blood Scott had on himself. 453 00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:00,430 I was worried about him as much 454 00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,500 as he was worried about me, for sure. 455 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:06,170 I didn't know if he'd make it. 456 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:13,240 They know there are houses down at the bottom, 457 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:15,080 but they have a long way to go to get there. 458 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,480 It's a narrow road, 459 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,820 there are very tight turns, 460 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:23,390 and there are really tall drop-offs along it. 461 00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:24,890 Did he say anything? 462 00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:25,990 Who? 463 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:28,260 Him, Ricky. 464 00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:29,760 No, man. 465 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,160 He didn't seem mad or nothing, man. 466 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,540 30 miles away, 467 00:32:40,540 --> 00:32:42,940 giles county deputies are investigating 468 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:46,880 the disappearance of Randall Lee Smith. 469 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,580 Woman: Hello? 470 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:55,330 Hello, yes, this is, giles county sheriff's office. 471 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,490 Am I speaking with Ms. Sanchez? 472 00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:58,690 Yes. 473 00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:59,420 Hello, Ms. Sanchez. 474 00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:02,930 This is a follow-up call about your neighbor. 475 00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:05,460 Could you tell me when it was you saw him last? 476 00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:08,570 They have no way of knowing of the murderous attack 477 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,240 that just happened up on dismal creek. 478 00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:17,340 I can't do this. 479 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:20,710 Look. We're almost there. 480 00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:24,050 No, we got a long way to go still, man. 481 00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:30,520 I can't even see out the windshield anymore. 482 00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:33,460 Come on. 483 00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:37,090 I still got one good hand. 484 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,100 I'll steer. 485 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,730 Go on. 486 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:44,270 Let's go. 487 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:49,270 Come on. 488 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:56,450 Ms. Miller lives about as far in a remote area 489 00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:58,320 as you can get. 490 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,020 She's just about the last house on that road. 491 00:34:03,020 --> 00:34:07,430 Melissa Miller isn't expecting visitors, 492 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:10,560 not after nightfall. 493 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840 We've been shot! 494 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,000 Ma'am, please! 495 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,910 Help. 496 00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:25,540 Ma'am, please. 497 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,950 For her to open that door and see two individuals 498 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,930 have been shot, that is probably something that, 499 00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:40,160 she'll never forget. 500 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,860 At the point when we stopped at the house, 501 00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:43,930 and that was our savior, you know, they were, 502 00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:44,860 like, there to help US, 503 00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:48,440 and we were so grateful for that. 504 00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:58,040 Man: All units, all units to dismal creek road. 505 00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:01,720 Code 30, two victims reporting gunshot wounds. 506 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,230 Medevac requested. 507 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:07,290 Repeat, dismal creek road. 508 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,890 They're on their way, but it might be a minute. 509 00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:14,490 Y'all just sit tight. We'll get you taken care of. 510 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:15,800 Take care of him. 511 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,230 He's lost a lot more blood. 512 00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:20,560 Who did this to y'all? 513 00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:22,230 Some old dude. 514 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,500 We met him up at the creek. 515 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:27,510 Up at dismal creek? 516 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:28,470 Yeah. 517 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,660 Said his name was, Ricky, Williams. 518 00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:41,750 Hey! Come on. 519 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,330 Hey, Scott! Come on. 520 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,620 Still with US, brother? 521 00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:48,970 Yeah. Yeah. Said he's named Ricky. 522 00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:55,470 Hold on just a minute. 523 00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:23,190 Sean and Scott end up at the house of Melissa Miller. 524 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,230 I can only imagine that they're waiting 525 00:36:25,230 --> 00:36:27,060 for more shots from behind them. 526 00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:29,170 They're waiting for Ricky to catch up to them. 527 00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:33,900 For all they know, Ricky is standing right on the porch. 528 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,250 Medic: All right, we're gonna take care of you. 529 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:52,460 Let me just see the wound. 530 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,560 Okay, okay, okay. 531 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,430 Sir, stay with me. There you go. 532 00:36:57,430 --> 00:37:00,460 There you go. 533 00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:01,100 Hey. 534 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,800 This is the flyer the sheriff was handing out. 535 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,710 Randall Lee Smith. 536 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,580 That's him. 537 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:18,550 That's the guy. 538 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,810 Sean and Scott are able to identify Ricky from that poster. 539 00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:44,180 I'm Ricky Williams. 540 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,710 Of course, the name on the poster is not Ricky Williams. 541 00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:51,180 It's Randall Lee Smith. 542 00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:52,330 So we have a case here 543 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,820 where a man goes into the woods 544 00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:59,290 and murders two hikers. 545 00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,270 And then, 27 years later, having served his time in prison 546 00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:07,680 and returned to the exact same community, 547 00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:09,200 goes to almost the same spot 548 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,570 and assaults two more people along the edge of the trail. 549 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:22,480 This time, both victims survive. 550 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:28,650 Sean and Scott are airlifted to a trauma center just in time. 551 00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:31,430 Thank god these boys aren't dead, 552 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:35,340 'cause he could've killed 'em very easily. 553 00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:38,300 Even when he was at our campsite for hours, 554 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,270 it never crossed my mind that he was a killer 555 00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:44,000 until the first bullet rang out. 556 00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:46,750 Unfortunately, the bad stuff, 557 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:51,410 the evil guys, they -- they come back, you know? 558 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:56,450 Man: The shooter is Randall Smith. 559 00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:59,520 Vehicle, a 2000 Ford ranger. Be advised. 560 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,590 Vehicle just 1049ed on sugar run. 561 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,220 After the call went out 562 00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:07,390 that our guys were on the lookout 563 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:08,930 for the stolen truck, 564 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:14,100 a Virginia state trooper saw the truck on sugar run road. 565 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,370 He got behind the vehicle. 566 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,200 The truck overturned in a sharp curve 567 00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:23,170 not far from where, the trooper spotted him. 568 00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:24,740 Trooper is with the vehicle. 569 00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:26,990 Suspect is hurt, needs ems. 570 00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:32,820 Units be advised that suspect is being held at gunpoint. 571 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840 Lawson: I never got to talk to him. 572 00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:48,170 The autopsy on him showed that, 573 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:49,470 from his injuries from the wreck 574 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,600 he had developed a blood clot 575 00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:53,650 and that that clot had broke loose and went -- 576 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640 went to his -- his heart and killed him, 577 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,940 so he died. 578 00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:59,190 He died in jail. 579 00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:02,750 He died in a cell by himself 580 00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:06,680 and finally, justice got served. 581 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:10,720 He never did admit why he did what he, 582 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,790 you know, did at the crime scene there in dismal. 583 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:17,600 No interviews, no statements taken 584 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,830 from Randall Smith on this issue 585 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,870 with him shooting Scott and Sean. 586 00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:28,410 There was no reasoning, no outcome from the courts 587 00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:31,940 on the crimes that he had committed. 588 00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:48,370 I always felt like that this man was a walking time bomb, 589 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,730 and, you know, it happened. 590 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:53,260 He -- he went off again. 591 00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:55,300 I mean, killing people didn't matter to him. 592 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,540 He done killed two and watched 'em die. 593 00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,270 So life didn't mean a whole lot to him. 594 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,420 Given that the two crimes happened in such a similar, 595 00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:08,050 almost identical area, maybe we should be 596 00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:10,350 looking at the location as the main factor here. 597 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,520 It was some attachment that Smith felt 598 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,220 to this particular spot in the woods 599 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:17,920 that made him act the way he did. 600 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120 Ours is the magic. 601 00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:20,960 Ours is the power. 602 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,760 Crimes don't happen in random places. 603 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,830 They happen in places for a reason. 604 00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:29,130 And often, it's the place where the criminal feels comfortable. 605 00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,900 One of the bullets went in right here by my temple, 606 00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:36,570 and it's lodged in my sinus on this side of my face. 607 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:38,610 The other bullet went in right here, 608 00:41:38,610 --> 00:41:40,140 right dead center in my chest, 609 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:44,780 and it's actually lodged over on my ribs over here. 610 00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:48,030 Scott didn't really have any long-term effects either. 611 00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:49,220 The bullets missed his spine, 612 00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:51,090 so he didn't have any problem with that, 613 00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:55,230 and then missed his jugular by a very little amount. 614 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:56,990 I believe if he had a bigger gun, 615 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,560 the circumstances would be quite different. 616 00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:01,870 Definitely realized, you know, 617 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:03,970 tomorrow could be the last day, you know. 618 00:42:03,970 --> 00:42:06,670 That's definitely something that I, 619 00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:09,440 you know, Cherish more now. 620 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,510 When I look back on this, I mean, kind of feel like 621 00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:15,810 maybe I was used to take a bad person off the earth. 622 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:19,530 And if I had to go through a little pain to make that happen, 623 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,390 you know, I'm -- I'm on board with that. 45302

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