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(upbeat sci-fi music)
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- [Narrator] What are UFOs?
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Do aliens exist, have
they been here before?
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These are all questions that
researchers in the field
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of ufology hope to someday
definitively answer.
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- Ufology has always been
really fascinating to me
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because there are these
things that are going on
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that we get these tiny glimpses of.
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It's easy to think somebody's crazy,
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but it takes more time
and thought to think,
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hm, could there be something more to this?
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- [Nick Pope] You can't
not believe in UFOs.
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- [Nick Redfern] Either
it's true or somebody
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is playing a massive mind game.
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(eerie sci-fi music)
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- [Danielle] How can you have
a thought without a belief?
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- [L.A.] Findings are coming out weekly.
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- [Nick Pope] I mean, when
will we get a disclosure?
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- [Nick Redfern] I want the answers.
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- [Louis] And I have the proof.
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- I worked for the British
Government for 21 years
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at the Ministry of Defence,
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and for much of the early '90s,
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my job there was to research
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and investigate the UFO phenomenon.
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My father was a senior
government scientist,
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Director of the Royal Air
and Nautical Establishment
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at Farnborough, and Ministry of Defence
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was almost the family business,
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so you could say that I
just joined the family firm.
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- I'm one of these people
who has a big passion
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and interest in UFOs,
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but I've never actually
had a UFO encounter.
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I got interested because my father was
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in the British Royal Air Force,
and he was a radar mechanic,
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and he was involved in three
UFO encounter incidents
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in September, 1952.
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Interestingly enough,
this was at the height
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of a NATO operation
called Exercise Mainbrace,
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and it was a show of
strength to the Russians.
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You know, you try anything,
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we've got all this to fire back at you.
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And over the course of three nights,
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UFO activity was reported by the personnel
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out on the operation.
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And so aircraft was
scrambled, fighter planes,
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some of the pilots reported
seeing like classic,
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1950s-era, day-the-Earth-stood-still
flying saucers.
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Others saw these bright lights in the sky,
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brilliantly bright lights.
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Everybody was told you
won't talk about this,
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and my dad didn't tell
anyone until I was about 12.
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And it got me interested, not
because it was own father,
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but because he was also
trained in the military
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as a radar mechanic.
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- [Narrator] Ufology is
the study of reports,
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visual records, and
other phenomenon related
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to unidentified flying objects.
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- Well, I think what attracts me to this
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is that my thing is really ancient aliens,
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but on other planets.
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If you look at the moon
or you look at Mars,
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you can see clear evidence of structures,
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of manufactured buildings and pyramids,
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and all kinds of stuff.
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Signs of ancient civilizations
on other planets.
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- [Narrator] UFO reports have been subject
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to various investigations over the years
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by governments, independent
groups, and scientists.
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- Oh, but if I just find one
artificial structure on Mars,
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okay, I've proven that
either human history
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is completely different
than they've taught us,
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and we were there on Mars a long time ago,
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the whole Atlantis thing
and our civilization fell,
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and now it's rising back up,
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or I've proven that aliens
exist, one of the two.
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So that's what attracted
me to that line of things,
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that Eric von Daniken, Richard
Hoagland line of thinking,
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is because it's provable.
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- [Narrator] Ufology as
a field has not really
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been embraced by academia,
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and is largely considered a pseudoscience
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by the scientific community
and mainstream media.
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So who are the people
who champion and dedicate
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their lives to this field of research?
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What compels them to keep going
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in the face of derision and hardship?
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- I wasn't that good a student at school,
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I didn't know what I wanted to do,
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and as fate would have it, I got a job on,
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like a what's on guide in the
local town I was living on.
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I did a lot of the music stuff.
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After working for this magazine,
which was called "Zero",
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for a couple of years, I thought
well why not try and expand
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and take the journalistic
approach I've done on the magazine
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but combine it with research into UFOs.
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Take that journalistic
approach with aliens.
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So I've been sort of
actively doing research
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for about 30 years.
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- [Narrator] With new
reports and sightings
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mounting on almost a daily basis,
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and with many mainstream
media outlets reporting
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on the phenomenon, perception
is beginning to change.
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- Yeah, I was about 12 years
old, I was at boy scout camp,
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and we were taking a shortcut up for lunch
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'cause we were really hungry
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and I was with three other kids,
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there was four of us all together,
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and this one guy knew of a shortcut,
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and I could take you there today.
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It was at Camp Horseshoe,
Rising Sun, Maryland,
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and it was this kind of
uphill dry-creek bed,
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boulder to boulder, so it
was really kind of fun,
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and it was like either in the
early spring or early fall,
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but the bottom line was
we were single file,
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hopping from boulder to boulder.
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Somebody, one of the kids
goes, "Wow, what's that?"
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And the other kids go,
"Whoa, what is that?"
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And I go, "Where?" And
they point and they go,
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"Oh my gosh, what is that?"
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And we're looking at the
classic UFO, the classic disk,
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hovering in the sky, and the
sunlight glinting off of it
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for, I would say, at least 20 seconds.
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And we're looking at this thing
and it just goes like this.
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(whooshes)
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Just like, I mean, you could follow it,
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but it was just like, and it was gone.
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We go running back to the camp,
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"We saw a UFO, we saw a flying saucer!"
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All the kids were gathered around us,
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the scout master's come out,
(chuckles) that type of thing,
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and we told the story, and
they were all laughing at us,
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and we went to lunch
and they laughed more.
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And by the dinner hour
the other three boys,
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"Oh, we just made it up."
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And I just start going, "No, we didn't.
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"We didn't make anything
up, I know what I saw."
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It was my first lesson in
herd mentality, in groupthink,
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and how dangerous that is.
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And so, anytime I get
a whiff of groupthink,
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it's just like, ah, I'm
instantly repelled by it.
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- The UFO subject matter
is sort of the gateway drug
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to so many other venues
of what is reality?
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What are we doing here on this planet?
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Asking the big questions.
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My curiosity got weaponized,
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as my good friend,
Jeremy Corbell, would say
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when I saw some craft in the sky,
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a daytime sighting, back in 2007.
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There was a number of kind of
like white specks in the sky.
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It started with just a handful
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and then they started
showing up more and more.
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The whole sky was sort of
peppered with them, you know.
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I was like, what the hell
is going on here, right?
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I felt for sure it was gonna
make the mainstream news
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that night and the next day,
and there was nothing there.
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And checking the Internet,
checking the seven o'clock news,
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I thought for sure everybody could have,
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would have, should have seen this event.
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Nothing happened, but I kept researching
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'cause I was baffled at what I saw
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and I wanted to know more.
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- [Narrator] Ufologists
come from all walks of life.
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One thing that they all
seem to have in common
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is a passion for the
subject, but of course,
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not everyone in this field
started out as a believer.
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- When I grew up, the UFO
phenomenon was really not
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something that was looming
large in my awareness.
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So when I joined the Ministry of Defence,
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and then when I got posted
into the UFO project,
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I had no real in-depth
knowledge about UFOs.
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This, to me, was just a government job,
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a pretty strange one, I
wasn't even really sure
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what the deal was, that I knew we did it,
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but I wasn't quite sure how or why.
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I went into the job, certainly,
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and the individual investigations,
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we got about two or 300 cases each year.
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I went in, certainly, with an open mind,
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but I think, intellectually,
it was difficult
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not to have the view
that, look, we're probably
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going to find an awful
lot of aircraft lights,
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weather balloons, meteorites.
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Of course, that's
exactly what we did find.
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The vast majority of sightings,
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we found either had a
conventional explanation,
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the people were sincere enough,
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but they'd misidentified something.
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- I don't think I'd ever
call myself a skeptic
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of the phenomenon, but I've
been a skeptic of certain cases.
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- 80% of the cases, we
found that we were dealing
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with misidentifications of
known objects and phenomena.
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In 15% of the cases, we had
insufficient information
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to make an assessment, in
5% of the cases, unknown.
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Now, it was important to say, of course,
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unknown did not mean extra
terrestrial spacecraft.
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I mean, we constantly
had to push back against
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this kind of UFO equals aliens equation,
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which is totally bogus.
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I mean, people say, "Do
you believe in UFOs?"
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It's a meaningless question,
you can't not believe in UFOs.
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These are, literally, by definition,
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things people see and can't explain.
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Most of them have conventional
explanations, some don't.
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With the ones that don't, the
extra terrestrial hypothesis
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is one of a number of competing theories,
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and absolutely, we considered
that, we didn't rule it out,
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but neither did we have
any definitive evidence
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that could prove it.
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- I've even seen things
in the sky that I'm like,
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okay, what the heck was that?
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So to deny it would be, essentially,
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like denying a part of myself
and my entire existence,
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and it just doesn't feel right.
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- Exactly, there is nothing to believe,
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it was all very real.
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You know, it's not like a religion,
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something that you have
to be trying to believe.
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I'm now 70 years old
and I teach my students
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incredible experiences
breed incredible people
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that have incredible wisdom to share.
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All over the course of my entire life,
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I've been touched by the divine.
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And to this day, I do not know
if it's a curse or a blessing
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because the legacy that all
those experiences brought me
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is just mind-boggling.
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- Two things, I think, began to challenge
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my natural skepticism with some of this.
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Firstly was delving into the
archive of previous files.
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Now, the Ministry of Defence had
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had a UFO program since 1953.
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Before that there had been
sightings dating back,
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certainly, to the second World War.
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And, of course, we had a
vast archive of documents
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going back decades on all of this,
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and I made it my business,
when time permitted of course,
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to dive into that archive
to try and educate myself
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about the history of our program.
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I didn't want to spend
time reinventing the wheel,
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what did we already know?
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What information did we
already have on this?
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Could we find patterns,
for example, trends?
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That was the first thing,
I began to realize that,
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just as with the
day-to-day sighting reports
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that were coming in, just as
most of them had explanations,
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but some didn't, going
back through the archives,
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we had some pretty
interesting cases in there,
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which challenged me.
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The other thing that I think really made
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even more of an impression was,
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sometimes a case would come your way
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that you would just say, wow,
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and one in particular from 1993,
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we had a wave of sightings that took place
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over large parts of the UK
over a period of six hours.
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We had police witnesses,
we had military witnesses,
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I had people describing to me
vast, triangular-shaped craft,
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moving very slowly, and then in a instant,
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accelerating away to the
horizon at high-max speeds.
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And I had people say to
me, Air Force witnesses,
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say, "Look, Nick, I work at an airbase,
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"I've been in the Air Force eight years,
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"I've never seen anything
like this in my life."
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And so, when you have things like that,
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when you do the investigation,
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you build up a picture of
the particular incident,
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when you talk to the
witnesses and get their story.
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I mean, one person, I remember,
literally hours later,
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him relaying something and his voice
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still shaking with emotion.
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A serious career Air Force officer,
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who is obviously around fast jets,
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fast attack helicopters all the time,
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but not the sorts of people
to be impressed easily
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by speeds and accelerations.
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So when those sorts of people
get impressed, I listen.
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I received about two
or 300 cases each year,
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though in some other years it
went as high as seven or 800.
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Now, most of those reports
came from the public,
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but some came from
pilots, police officers,
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military personnel, radar operators.
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It was those sorts of people
that we paid more attention to.
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Now, that's not to say,
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I don't want to sound patronizing here,
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and it's ridiculous to
think no good information
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can come from the public,
particularly if you're trying
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to do a proper intelligence
assessment, where the thing is,
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you're not just
investigating a single case,
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but you're trying to
piece together the puzzle.
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Draw connections, look for commonalities,
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and there, absolutely, you
need the public reports too,
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but, inevitably, when you
get say an Air Force pilot
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sitting down and saying, "Okay,
Nick, this is what I saw."
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And then when the radar
operator comes forward and says,
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"Oh, yeah, we tracked it on the radar too,
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"and here's the data."
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That's the sort of thing that is
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much more interesting to me.
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- Well, you know, I
mean, again, it comes to,
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obviously Roswell's a big one,
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but I think you can also
make a compelling argument
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that Roswell might have, in
fact, been secret United States
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Flying Wing Squadrons
that had an accident.
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You know, secret space program type stuff
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that happened in the desert,
that's obviously a classic,
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but the Government did come out and say,
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"We have a flying saucer,"
and then they retracted it,
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so that's what makes it, I
think, really significant.
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In terms of other cases,
Travis Walton's abduction case
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is unassailable because
you had five or six,
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seven witnesses, all of whom
passed lie detector tests,
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and I think it's really hard to argue
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with the evidence presented
in the Walton case.
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So those ones are some of my favorites.
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You know, some of the other
ones, Rendlesham Forest
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and the Phoenix Lights, I'm
kind of tired of talking about.
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There's nothing new on them,
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and they are good cases, but
they're not really, to me,
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they're not super compelling to me anymore
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because I think we've
squeezed all the blood
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out of those turn-ups.
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- The British Government has
fairly recently completed
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what was an 11-year program to declassify
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and release most of its UFO files.
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About 60,000 pages of
documentation have been released,
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some of which was classified
secret, UK eyes only.
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A lot of the material in
there is fairly mundane.
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People out seeing vague lights in the sky,
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but if you're prepared to
go through that material,
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you will find case after case after case
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where you have sightings from pilots,
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radar operators simultaneously
tracking these things,
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jets scrambled, pilots
trying to intercept,
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but the UFOs performing
speeds and maneuvers
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that seemed significantly
ahead of our own capability.
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And those are the sorts of cases
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that I was most interested in.
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I suppose in the lifetime
of the MOD's UFO Program,
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there were probably
something like 12,000 cases,
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so hundreds and hundreds of cases
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where you had good quality witnesses,
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pilots, police, military,
radar, that sort of thing.
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Britain's most compelling UFO incident
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was probably Rendlesham
Forest, December, 1980.
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A UFO actually landed in the forest
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that lies between two military bases,
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Bentwaters and Woodbridge,
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and over three consecutive nights,
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multiple military witnesses see a UFO.
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On the first night in lands
and some of them get so close,
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they touch the thing and they
even see symbols on the side.
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Subsequently, and we're
always looking, of course,
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for the things that move
this from beyond a story
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into something that can be corroborated.
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Well, there was a landing site, of course,
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so people went there and they
went with the Geiger counter.
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Radioactivity levels were found,
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which were assessed by our own scientific
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and technical intelligence people
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as being significantly higher
than the average background.
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There were indentations in the ground
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where this thing had apparently landed
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on some sort of tripod-like device.
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There were burn marks,
scorch marks on the sides
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of the trees in the small clearing
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where this thing had come down.
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So there was something over
and above the testimony
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of the military personnel themselves.
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On the final night of these three nights,
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the deputy base commander, finally,
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he got fed up, he heard that
the UFO had returned again,
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so he threw together a
small team of witnesses,
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and he went out, as he put
it, "To debunk this nonsense."
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And he ended up seeing the UFO himself.
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So, here you have a colonel,
who was a complete skeptic,
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going out to debunk the
story, seeing this thing,
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as he put it, "Performing
extraordinary speeds
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"and maneuvers in the sky as if
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"it was conducting a grid search."
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Firing a narrow beam of
light down at the ground
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in front of him and his team.
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And he said, thinking back to this,
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"Was this a weapon, was this a warning,
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"was this communication, what was it?"
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He didn't know.
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When I ask him, "Well,
what do you think it was?"
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He says, "Well, Nick," he said,
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"I don't know what it was,
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"but whatever it was, it was
under intelligent control."
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And so, when you have,
consistently, cases like this,
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multiple military witnesses,
physical evidence,
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and then this UFO was
briefly tracked on radar,
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but here I'm talking about
the radioactivity levels
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at the landing site, that
soil samples were taken,
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parts of the trees were
taken back for analysis,
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things like this, I think,
began to change my mind.
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This was a case, I did a
cold case review on that.
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It had happened before my time,
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but it was the sort of thing in our files
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that leapt out at me and
made me think, wait a minute,
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this is not just aircraft
lights and weather balloons,
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there's something over and above that.
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There's a phenomenon that we
haven't yet got a handle on.
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Other cases that interested me,
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and actually caused me
some considerable concern,
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we had a surprising number
of fairly near misses
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between commercial aircraft and UFOs.
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And I remember a case, Manchester, 1995,
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a UFO passed down the side
of a commercial aircraft
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at height of about 9,000 feet,
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and the pilot and the
copilot were so concerned
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that they almost instinctively
flinched and ducked
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as this object came so close.
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Another time, somebody
thought that maybe we
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accidentally fired off a
surface-to-air missile or something
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and the pilot, again,
shouted, "Look out, look out!"
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And assumed a bracing position.
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And these are commercial aircraft
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with hundreds of people onboard,
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so cases like that in
the British Government's
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UFO files, other countries
around the world,
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pilots seeing these things,
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radar sometimes corroborating that, yes,
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there was an uncorrelated target.
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These sorts of cases moved me
from just dismissing all this
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as nonsense to saying
something's going on.
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Not saying it's necessarily
extra terrestrial,
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though certainly can't rule that out,
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but something over and above
just misidentifications,
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hoaxes or delusions.
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- [Narrator] Who are the Men In Black?
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- On the matter of cases that
I might have in my files,
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and which haven't really sort
of seen the light of day,
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I think the ones that I've
got more than anything else
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relate to one of my most
favorite things to write about,
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that's the Men In Black mystery.
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People think of the Men In
Black, they think of Will Smith
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and Tommy Lee Jones, you know,
439
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:53,010
but the movies were based on real cases,
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but they kind of just turned it
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into a comedy adventure stories,
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but the movies were fun but
they weren't like the real
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Men In Black who were actually described
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as like really pale skinned
and scrawny and Gorns,
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and they have these
bulging eyes that they hide
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behind these wrap-around sunglasses,
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and they don't actually look fully human,
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they almost look like a hybrid.
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And I've got a lot of cases like that
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where people have seen UFOs,
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two days later there's
a knock on the door,
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or even the evening,
and they open the door
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and there's this weird guy in a black suit
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and an old 1940s-style fedora hat,
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looking like a manikin out of a shop.
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I've got a lot of cases where people
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have been threatened and silenced,
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and also when they're in
proximity of the Men In Black,
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they actually felt as if
they were being drained
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of their energy, as if they
were like a psychic vampire
461
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just draining their energy
and their life force.
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I've got so many really weird MIB cases
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that some of them I've been able to put
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into the public domain, into books,
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'cause I've actually done four
books on the Men In Black,
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and one on the lesser
known Women In Black cases,
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which are similar.
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- We did receive reports not just of UFOs,
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but entity encounters, close
encounters of the third kind.
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Some abduction accounts.
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We didn't get as many
as one might suppose,
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and I think people reporting
that were more likely,
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perhaps, to report those sorts of cases
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to civilian UFO research groups.
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- My connection with extra terrestrials
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started when I was six years old.
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I am what you call ADHD.
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I was born with a tremendous amount
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of physical and intellectual energy.
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And by the way, ADD is not a disorder,
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it's actually a gift, Einstein was ADD.
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We didn't have electricity,
we didn't have running water,
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all the windows in the house were broken.
484
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Going to the attic was
like going to hell for me.
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It was cold and I was always hoping that
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before going there, I could get a cat,
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because I could get the
warmth from the cat.
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That night, I was really
upset, there was no cat,
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so I knew it was gonna be cold.
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I went to bed and my mom was saying to me,
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"Louis, make sure to
bLow your candle, okay?
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"We don't wanna put
the fire in the house."
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Say, "Yeah, yeah, mommy."
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And in the middle of the night,
495
00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:37,083
first time that I dealt
with extra terrestrials,
496
00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:41,750
I felt something on my feet,
so I thought it was a cat.
497
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:46,750
So I say, yes, I kick it,
trying to get it to come up
498
00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:48,370
because I didn't wanna lose the warmth
499
00:24:48,370 --> 00:24:51,570
that I had accumulated
under my little blanket.
500
00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:55,550
Didn't move, so I say, ah,
try it again, it didn't move.
501
00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:57,490
So I said, I have to go and get him.
502
00:24:57,490 --> 00:25:02,490
So I just sat on my bed and oh my God.
503
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,560
For the first time in my
life, I have seen the grays.
504
00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:12,200
What I did when I first saw them, I hided,
505
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,890
'cause that's initial response, you know.
506
00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:17,313
I was traumatized, what the hell is this?
507
00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:20,010
Then I get a little bit more courageous
508
00:25:20,010 --> 00:25:24,150
and I kind of peep, and
one of those entities
509
00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:29,150
was less than two inches
from my face, big eyes.
510
00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:31,560
I freaked out, I literally freaked out
511
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,143
and passed out of fright.
512
00:25:34,150 --> 00:25:37,443
And this happened so many times.
513
00:25:38,332 --> 00:25:42,370
Each time I was punished I
used to see those entities.
514
00:25:42,370 --> 00:25:46,550
The good thing about it is
that I was okay the next day.
515
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:47,830
I was always okay the next day,
516
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:50,690
so I got used to it, put it this way.
517
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:54,510
Incidentally, in 1956, there
was quite a lot of reports
518
00:25:54,510 --> 00:25:58,463
coming from Russia of
those type of monkey,
519
00:26:00,813 --> 00:26:05,813
ETs, for lack of words, to
the eye of a six year old.
520
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:08,800
They were, you know, little
monkey with big eyes,
521
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,920
that's all I knew.
522
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,740
So that was my introduction
523
00:26:11,740 --> 00:26:15,650
to the world of extra terrestrials.
524
00:26:15,650 --> 00:26:18,520
- Many of the people out
there in the community
525
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,420
thought that we in the Ministry of Defence
526
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,160
already knew about all this,
527
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,190
and were actively part of a
conspiracy to cover it up.
528
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:30,310
If people were reluctant,
as they sometimes were,
529
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:32,500
fearing ridicule, fearing disbelief,
530
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,990
not wanting to be seen
to waste government time,
531
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:36,740
perhaps thinking we already knew about it
532
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:38,020
and were covering it up.
533
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:41,630
If those people were
reluctant to report a UFO,
534
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:45,040
they were much more reluctant
to report an entity encounter
535
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,800
or an abduction, but we did get cases.
536
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,250
I opened a small file
to try and draw together
537
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:55,450
some of this material,
and that file's out there,
538
00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:57,730
it's pretty far out, I have to say.
539
00:26:57,730 --> 00:27:01,630
I wonder with some of that
whether we aren't dealing
540
00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:06,630
maybe with imagination and
delusion, and perhaps hoax.
541
00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:09,610
A little bit more than
say the military cases
542
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:12,820
where we've got the pilot
testimony, the radar data,
543
00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:15,950
maybe we've got photographs
and videos that I can
544
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:20,693
then take to Intelligence
Community imagery analysis.
545
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,350
I can get the imagery analysis,
546
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:27,380
resources and capabilities put on that,
547
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:30,380
and we can secure a proper
scientific assessment.
548
00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:33,030
So you can't really do that with these
549
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:36,230
close encounter of the third kind reports.
550
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:41,230
So all I could really say was
that, yes, we got some cases,
551
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:44,570
I was aware of many more
in the UFO literature,
552
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:46,220
but it's the old the joke in the
553
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:48,853
intelligence analysis
community, interesting if true.
554
00:27:48,853 --> 00:27:53,080
That was about all we could
say by way of an assessment.
555
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,370
- [Narrator] For decades, UFO enthusiasts
556
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:58,980
have claimed the government
is warehousing crashed UFOs,
557
00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:02,020
and possibly aliens at Area 51,
558
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:05,120
part of an Air Force
base in Southern Nevada.
559
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,790
- There's no doubt that sort of beginning
560
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:08,640
in the latter part of the 1980s,
561
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,530
the big story out of all
UFO stories from that era
562
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:14,240
was the Bob Lazar story.
563
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,650
- Bob Lazar is an interesting character.
564
00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:21,310
Of course, in 1989 he came forward,
565
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:25,700
interviewed by investigative
journalist, George Knapp,
566
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:29,767
said I worked at Area
51 and one of the things
567
00:28:29,767 --> 00:28:31,770
that I worked on there was trying
568
00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:35,400
to reverse engineer alien technology.
569
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,030
And he talked about UFOs
that were kept at Area 51,
570
00:28:40,030 --> 00:28:42,780
that maybe some of these
were extra terrestrial,
571
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:44,040
maybe some of these were things
572
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,040
that we had designed ourselves,
but based on alien tech.
573
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,960
I'm going to fall back on the
old intelligence analyst joke
574
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,720
of well, interesting if true.
575
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,980
Being about all I could
say on something like that.
576
00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:03,710
- A lot of people may
not know that Area 51
577
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:05,910
is actually a portion of what's called
578
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,983
The Nevada Test and
Training Range, the NT&T,
579
00:29:10,101 --> 00:29:13,350
and Area 51 is literally a portion of it.
580
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:15,880
And Lazar said, for a brief period,
581
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,400
he worked on trying to back engineer
582
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760
and understand alien technology
583
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,780
to see if we could replicate it.
584
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:25,820
Probably for military purposes
585
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,730
because that's the
inevitable way it would go.
586
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:31,333
There are two avenues, if you like,
587
00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:33,780
that most people in ufology go down.
588
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:36,520
There are those who fully
believe what Bob says,
589
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,610
and those who think it's a hoax.
590
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,890
Well, one of the interesting
aspects, for me at least,
591
00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:46,740
is the idea that he was
used as like a patsy,
592
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:50,430
and he may have been used unwittingly.
593
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:52,630
I don't think he was a
hoax or anything like that,
594
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:55,070
but I do think he could
have been unwittingly used
595
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:58,060
in a program designed, possibly,
596
00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:01,100
to essentially tell the Russians,
597
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,600
hey, we've got crashed UFOs, dead aliens,
598
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,600
we're working on super extra
terrestrial energy drives,
599
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:12,600
and so on, as a means to
freak out the Russians.
600
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,433
Well, how do you do that?
601
00:30:13,433 --> 00:30:15,230
Well, you get the ultimate patsy
602
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,120
and you expose that
person to strange craft
603
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,270
which could've been
sophisticated mock ups,
604
00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:24,160
and then the Russians are like, oh my God,
605
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,230
they really do have this,
what are we gonna do?
606
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:27,910
We've got nothing like this.
607
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:31,860
And so, well, then they send
Russian agents and operatives
608
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:34,850
and spies to try and
figure out what's going on.
609
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:38,270
And then American
intelligence sits back then,
610
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:40,880
waits for these Russian
guys to get too close,
611
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,530
and then they snare them in.
612
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:45,120
And no real secrets have been lost.
613
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,270
Instead, you've reeled them in
614
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:50,150
with fabricated stories of UFOs.
615
00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:52,340
Now, I'm not saying that is the answer,
616
00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:57,340
but I do think that is, to a
degree, a common sense scenario
617
00:30:58,340 --> 00:31:00,270
that could be played out,
618
00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:04,530
but on the other hand, I
could sit here and say,
619
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:07,767
I cannot deny that
there isn't crashed UFOs
620
00:31:07,767 --> 00:31:10,690
and dead aliens, or even
live aliens, in Area 51,
621
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:12,240
as some people have suggested.
622
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,410
I could be 100%, and one day, you know,
623
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:17,840
the aliens will come
wobbling out of Area 51
624
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,210
across the desert toward
us, that could happen.
625
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:23,380
- It's a story that is interesting,
626
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:28,200
I think we can prove that,
absolutely for a time,
627
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,200
he did indeed work at
Area 51 as a contractor,
628
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:37,330
but whether his expertise in terms
629
00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:42,330
of some of the exotic physics
that's been talked about,
630
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:44,150
I think you'd have to put him together
631
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:48,970
with someone like Michio Kaku
and see whether that works
632
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:52,620
in terms of does he
really talk that language?
633
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,290
With recent, I suppose,
pop culture phenomena,
634
00:31:56,290 --> 00:32:00,910
such as the let's Storm
Area 51 movement from 2019,
635
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720
and some of the recent revelations
636
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,390
about the Nimitz encounter,
the AATIP program,
637
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:11,610
it's almost, it has, I won't say it's
638
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:15,160
proven Bob Lazar's claims,
639
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,880
but it's certainly brought
him back into the spotlight
640
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,010
and, rightly, I think it has led to a call
641
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:26,250
that we reassess his claims.
642
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:29,740
- In my view, one of the
big problems with Area 51
643
00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:32,690
is there are so many people in ufology
644
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:35,690
who not only do believe, or accept,
645
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:37,870
that there could be UFOs and aliens,
646
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:40,940
dead or alive, or both, at Area 51,
647
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:43,980
but they also want that to be the answer.
648
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:47,520
They don't want it to be next
generation stealth aircraft.
649
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,530
Why not? Because it's not
as exciting as aliens.
650
00:32:50,530 --> 00:32:53,333
If you cross that line,
you've crossed the line,
651
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,280
and you should not cross the line.
652
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,950
And I think there is
sometimes a lack of wanting
653
00:33:00,950 --> 00:33:05,950
to approach every angle
instead of I just wanna look
654
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:09,190
at the aspect that really excites me.
655
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:11,720
And I get that, that's just human nature.
656
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,010
Whatever the answer is
that's going on in Area 51,
657
00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:16,520
I'll be satisfied if
we can get the answers,
658
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,390
I want the answers, not just the stories.
659
00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:22,810
- In the light of what
we see with the videos,
660
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:27,440
the so-called Tic Tac, do
some of Bob Lazar's claims
661
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,040
deserve a second look?
662
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,010
I think the answer to
that is absolutely yes.
663
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,820
- Over the years I've sort
of, I guess, you know,
664
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:37,860
you get a bit older and a
little bit more cynical,
665
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:42,070
but you don't lose the enthusiasm for it.
666
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:45,890
I do sometimes think if the whole Area 51
667
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:49,480
is like a mind game kind of scenario
668
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,480
for obscure disinformation,
counter intelligence operations,
669
00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:58,870
maybe one day the aliens
will be reeled out,
670
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,300
the UFOs will be reeled out,
671
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:05,060
and we'll finally know
that Area 51 really is
672
00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:10,060
like a place, an area, where
the aliens really exist,
673
00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:12,740
and according to some,
674
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:15,750
sit around guzzling strawberry ice cream,
675
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:17,910
which is one of the theories that's been
676
00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:20,880
around for a long time, they
love strawberry ice cream.
677
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,763
I'm like, what's wrong with
chocolate ice cream, you know?
678
00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:30,090
- Up until December,
2017, if you had asked the
679
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:35,860
United States Government
for a line on UFOs,
680
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:38,310
what do you think, what do you know?
681
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:39,660
You would've been told this,
682
00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:42,980
nobody's interested in this
subject, nobody's investigating.
683
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:47,090
Nobody has investigated
since the end of 1969
684
00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:50,530
when the old United
States Air Force program,
685
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:53,300
Project Bluebook, was terminated.
686
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,860
It turns out that that was not correct.
687
00:34:55,860 --> 00:35:00,860
In December, 2017, the New
York Times published a story
688
00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:05,390
exclusively revealing
that despite the denials,
689
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:09,300
the United States Government
did have a program
690
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:12,060
looking at UFOs and this was called AATIP,
691
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,493
Advance Aerospace Threat
Identification Program.
692
00:35:16,895 --> 00:35:20,200
A UFO program so cleverly concealed
693
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,733
it didn't have the phrase
UFO anywhere in its title.
694
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:28,810
In parallel with the
revelations about AATIP
695
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:32,920
emerged a story of something that had
696
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,080
certainly interested AATIP,
and been investigated by them,
697
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,280
some sightings involving the US Navy,
698
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,280
and specifically, three videos
of Navy jets chasing UFOs.
699
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,790
There were two separate incidents.
700
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:52,790
One had happened in 2004 on
the west coast of the US,
701
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,460
and involved the USS Nimitz.
702
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,810
The second incident had taken place
703
00:35:58,810 --> 00:36:02,140
on the east coast in 2015.
704
00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:06,133
Now, these three videos were made public,
705
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:11,300
and they fundamentally
changed the narrative
706
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,290
about the UFO phenomenon.
707
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:16,950
Previously, I think the
subject was regarded as fringe,
708
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:18,780
this brought it into the mainstream.
709
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:23,340
Suddenly this was being
discussed not just on various
710
00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:26,850
sort of fun, lighthearted,
late-night talk shows
711
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:30,210
and conspiracy blogs on
the Internet, and things,
712
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:34,600
suddenly it was in The Times,
The Post, Politico, The Hill,
713
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,610
it went from fringe to mainstream.
714
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:41,980
And it went because of
these US Navy encounters,
715
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:44,670
the three videos, and revelations
716
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:47,670
concerning The Pentagon's AATIP Program.
717
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,500
In association with this we've
seen congressional interest,
718
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,280
the Armed Services Committee,
719
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,280
the Homeland Security Committee,
the Intelligence Committee.
720
00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:00,210
They've all taken a look at this.
721
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:03,180
The president has, on two occasions,
722
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:04,960
been specifically asked about this,
723
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,860
and despite expressing
a degree of skepticism,
724
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:13,860
has said, yes, I attended a
meeting on this, a briefing,
725
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:15,647
and that, as he put it,
726
00:37:15,647 --> 00:37:18,400
"Our fine pilots are seeing these things."
727
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,450
There does seem to be something
a little bit different
728
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:23,780
this time around, and as he
put it, "We're watching."
729
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:27,800
- Either it's true, or
somebody within the government,
730
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,950
for reasons we don't fully understand,
731
00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:32,393
is playing a massive mind game.
732
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:37,810
It could be we're being fed
stuff to actually expose us
733
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:39,680
to the fact that aliens are there.
734
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,520
Or it could be to see
how easy it is to play
735
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,513
and screw with the human mind.
736
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,640
- [Narrator] 68% of people today believe
737
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,333
that the government is withholding
information about UFOs.
738
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:58,880
- There are some fascinating
statements that have been made
739
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,140
about these encounters.
740
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:03,870
One of my favorites actually
comes from one of the pilots
741
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:06,800
who first saw this, David Fravor,
742
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,577
and he said, "I don't know what it was,
743
00:38:08,577 --> 00:38:10,710
"but I sure as heck wanna fly one."
744
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:15,710
And so, when somebody who
flies F-18 Super Hornets
745
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,220
for a living, when someone
like that gets impressed
746
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:21,110
by speeds and maneuvers,
747
00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:25,580
then I think we should all
sit up and take notice.
748
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:28,100
Two of the other statements
that really struck me
749
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:33,100
were in June of 2019, a number of senators
750
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:36,460
went on the record as saying
that they had received
751
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:39,800
classified briefings on some of this.
752
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
One of the senators came
out of that briefing
753
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,400
and he looked, I think, quite stunned,
754
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:49,797
and he said, "Look, I've just had a brief,
755
00:38:49,797 --> 00:38:52,950
"but it's classified, I
can't get into any of it."
756
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:56,437
Another senator came out and she said,
757
00:38:56,437 --> 00:39:00,477
"Yes, I've been briefed,
again, it's classified,
758
00:39:00,477 --> 00:39:03,037
"I can't discuss it,"
but she went on to say,
759
00:39:03,037 --> 00:39:07,667
"If you were to ask me,
do I believe in UFOs?
760
00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:10,737
"I would say, well, there are some things
761
00:39:10,737 --> 00:39:13,730
"that have not yet been
satisfactorily explained."
762
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:15,013
This is unprecedented.
763
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:19,330
Yes, back in the '60s, there had been
764
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:21,915
some congressional hearings on this,
765
00:39:21,915 --> 00:39:24,750
but to have Armed Services Committee,
766
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:26,870
Home and Security Committee,
Intelligence Committee,
767
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:31,100
all looking at this behind
closed doors briefs,
768
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,120
where people aren't even able to come out
769
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,570
and give you an unclassified
summary, and that's telling.
770
00:39:37,570 --> 00:39:40,760
Normally with most subjects,
people will come out and say,
771
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920
look, I can't go into the
details because it's classified,
772
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,510
but, you know, at unclassified level,
773
00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:48,530
let me tell you this is
what we're dealing with.
774
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:52,878
We didn't get any of that
and that's interesting.
775
00:39:52,878 --> 00:39:55,960
- I think there could be a mind
game aspect to all of this,
776
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,030
that a lot of people in ufology don't
777
00:39:58,030 --> 00:40:01,680
think about things like this,
they just talk about cases.
778
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,480
They don't think about well,
779
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400
why did that retired general speak to you?
780
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,920
Did he really just wanna
get it off his chest?
781
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,800
Or was somebody guiding him
to try and push you away
782
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,070
from something that is genuinely good.
783
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:17,380
A lot of people don't think
about all those things,
784
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:18,883
but I do.
785
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,381
- People say that
governments lie all the time,
786
00:40:22,381 --> 00:40:27,010
and that's really not true,
certainly not in my experience.
787
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:30,680
In my entire 21 years in
the Ministry of Defence,
788
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,420
I was never instructed to tell a lie,
789
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:39,100
I never knowingly told a lie.
790
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,960
If a politician in the
United Kingdom was caught say
791
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,380
deliberately misleading Parliament,
792
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:48,020
the absolute convention was that
793
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:50,920
that was a resigning offense,
you would have to go.
794
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Generally speaking, they'd
be no way back for you.
795
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,490
These are career-ending scenarios.
796
00:40:56,490 --> 00:41:00,760
That's not to say
governments don't dissemble.
797
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,910
They, maybe you could
say, lie by omission.
798
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:09,910
They absolutely spin, I mean,
it's all about, sometimes,
799
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:15,400
smoking mirrors, slight
of hand, misdirection,
800
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,050
you talk up the good news
story that you want to push,
801
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:23,800
you downplay, or maybe
even sidestep completely,
802
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,360
the bad news, but you don't outright lie.
803
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,800
Now, I know a lot of
people disagree with that.
804
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,430
A lot of people probably
watching me say this
805
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:36,430
and say, oh, that's nonsense,
politicians lie all the time.
806
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:39,570
But, really, I don't think they do.
807
00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:41,410
Even when you think they do,
808
00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:46,220
and even when some political
commentators say, it was a lie,
809
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:49,000
it tends not to be, it tends to be all in
810
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,440
interpretation of details.
811
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,510
When people say, do we have more jobs now?
812
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:54,850
Are more people in employment?
813
00:41:54,850 --> 00:41:57,450
Well, you know, you've gotta
factor in a whole bunch
814
00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:00,020
of variables with this
in terms of the size
815
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:01,590
of the working population,
816
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:03,750
whether those jobs are
full time or part time,
817
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:05,350
so there's always a debate to be had.
818
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:09,320
So when people say governments lie,
819
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,240
whether it's on UFOs or anything,
820
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,410
not in my experience they don't.
821
00:42:14,410 --> 00:42:17,440
They're very clever and sometimes
you've really got to know
822
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,890
how to speak the language
to go over things,
823
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:23,960
the statements with a fine-tooth comb,
824
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
and say, well, that's
fine, but what about this?
825
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,750
And very often if you push
back against something,
826
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:30,980
and you know you're getting somewhere
827
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:32,410
when someone comes back and says,
828
00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:34,410
oh, we don't have any
further comment on that.
829
00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:37,673
But lies, not so much.
830
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:40,487
- Well, certainly, there's
stories about presidents
831
00:42:40,487 --> 00:42:42,560
and UFOs all along the way.
832
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,450
We have the Richard
Nixon-Jackie Gleason story,
833
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:48,200
where he took the famous comedian to,
834
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,500
I think it was Eglin Air
Force Base in Florida
835
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,480
and showed him the frozen,
preserved bodies of aliens.
836
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,090
Nixon knew about it, you
can make a very strong case,
837
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:57,440
as I do, that President Kennedy
838
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,680
knew about the alien presence.
839
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,840
You have Jimmy Carter saying he saw a UFO,
840
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,750
you have President Regan
constantly referring to,
841
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:09,050
wow, how united would we
be if we were confronted
842
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:10,750
with an invasion from outside.
843
00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:14,690
- A number of other presidents
have been asked about it
844
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:16,130
and have made statements.
845
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:18,640
Sometimes these statements have been done
846
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,290
after their term as
president, or term or terms,
847
00:43:23,290 --> 00:43:26,040
and sometimes it's been
on late-night chat shows,
848
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,254
and they've kind of played it humorously.
849
00:43:29,254 --> 00:43:32,130
- We had President Obama
was asked about aliens
850
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:34,830
and he made some joke
about, oh, yeah, yeah,
851
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:35,970
I'll get you that stuff later,
852
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:39,320
and then you have President
Trump who's been asked directly
853
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
about aliens on a couple of occasions
854
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,120
and has admitted that
he's been briefed on it.
855
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,190
So we're in a brave new world,
whether we realize it or not.
856
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:51,590
I think that people
underemphasize the importance
857
00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:54,060
of that response, no
president has ever admitted
858
00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:57,480
that he's ever been
briefed on aliens or UFOs.
859
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,140
So that's a huge step and
I think we're just moving
860
00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:04,310
towards an inevitable
climax where we will get
861
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:06,650
something that's undeniable.
862
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:10,540
- One of the most intriguing
things when it comes to UFOs
863
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:13,370
is that sightings are
made all around the world.
864
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:17,220
It's not just the US or the
UK or Australia, whatever,
865
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:19,270
it's a global phenomenon.
866
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:24,270
- Many other countries have
UFO programs of their own,
867
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,700
and we know from both intelligence sources
868
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,630
and from open source
material, like the media,
869
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:36,790
that many, many different
countries have, for years,
870
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:40,110
run programs, researching
and investigating.
871
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:42,560
Some countries we know
more about than others,
872
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,340
but many nations have now done
873
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:46,760
what the United Kingdom has done
874
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,080
and declassified and released
much of this material.
875
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,490
- When you can put together
a huge body of data
876
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:59,130
where so many of the
cases mirror other reports
877
00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:00,780
from the other side of the world,
878
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,990
and mirror cases that
might be 50 years ago,
879
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:06,740
then you see patterns and trends.
880
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:08,650
And I think that's one
of the most important
881
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:10,540
aspects of the research,
882
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:13,810
is not just to focus on
this area or that one
883
00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:15,830
because it's convenient to do that,
884
00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:19,790
but look at how the patterns
are developing elsewhere.
885
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:22,670
For that reason, I think it's important
886
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:25,670
to look at the global aspect of it,
887
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:28,117
and that's what I've
done with my latest book,
888
00:45:28,117 --> 00:45:29,670
"Flying Sources from the Kremlin,"
889
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:32,870
which looks at some UFO Russian cases,
890
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:36,987
but also as to how the
Russians tried to manipulate
891
00:45:36,987 --> 00:45:41,680
the UFO phenomenon by
creating bogus UFO stories
892
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,620
to try and freak out The Pentagon.
893
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:48,310
- People say this subject
is very US and UK centric,
894
00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:52,060
and it is because a lot of
this is English speaking.
895
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:55,570
Two nations that we know
are doing a fair bit
896
00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:57,140
are Russia and China, and they're bound
897
00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:59,890
to be important players in this,
898
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:03,270
but because of not just language,
899
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:06,520
but of course, the
nature of those regimes,
900
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,520
and the inherent secrecy,
and the mistrust of the West,
901
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:16,800
and the lack of openness
and information sharing,
902
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,000
we really don't know much
about what's going on
903
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,180
in Russia and China,
904
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:24,840
both in terms of the
sightings, the casework,
905
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,630
but also, of course,
most importantly to me,
906
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:29,840
in terms of what the governments know
907
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,910
and think about the phenomenon,
908
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:35,300
how they handle this in terms of policy.
909
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:40,300
Geopolitics can't be taken out
of the look at the phenomenon
910
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,240
and even amongst allies,
there's disappointingly,
911
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:50,310
surprisingly and disappointingly,
little collaboration.
912
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:52,950
When I was running the
British Government's Program,
913
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:56,540
we didn't just pick up the
phone and talk to our allies
914
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:58,520
and say, send us your best cases,
915
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,280
and pop over for meetings
about what we thought.
916
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,280
No, this was kept on a
strictly national basis.
917
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:11,330
- Sometimes it can be a
challenge to get information
918
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:15,370
from faraway nations, it's
not the easiest thing to do.
919
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:19,530
I mean, you know, the UK
and the US have both got
920
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:24,280
Freedom of Information Acts,
as has Brazil and Australia,
921
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,430
and numerous other countries as well,
922
00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:28,670
and you can liaise with
the researchers there
923
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:32,150
and share data, and that works well,
924
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:35,360
but sometimes it can be so difficult,
925
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,280
countries, nations, are isolated.
926
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,360
There might be just a
couple of researchers
927
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,530
in their entire country,
928
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:44,270
nevermind the local county or whatever.
929
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:49,270
You have to push and push and
make connections elsewhere,
930
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,660
and try and put a picture together,
931
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:53,710
because I think, so often, what happens,
932
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:55,510
you can have fragmented tales,
933
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:57,640
and somebody's got a little
story here and there,
934
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,870
but if you put all the material together
935
00:47:59,870 --> 00:48:02,060
then you could see a pattern develop,
936
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:03,840
and that's what I try and do.
937
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,440
You know, look at, say,
reports from India,
938
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,460
and then the next week you
look at reports from Brazil.
939
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:13,480
Maybe Canada the next week
and Argentina the next.
940
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,830
And look at the similarities
between the cases,
941
00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:19,830
and it's kind of like a police officer
942
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:23,100
looking into a case involving
like a serial killer,
943
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:28,100
they look for the threads that
are followed in each murder.
944
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:31,010
Well, we kind of do that in ufology,
945
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:33,763
you look for the similar threads.
946
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:39,420
- If you look at history, if
you go back hundreds of years,
947
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:43,210
maybe thousands, if you get
into ancient astronaut theory,
948
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:48,210
the idea is that they
have always been with us
949
00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:49,650
since the dawn of time.
950
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:52,330
They've guided us, shaped us,
951
00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:55,070
some people even say created us.
952
00:48:55,070 --> 00:49:00,050
We've worshiped them as
gods, feared them as devils.
953
00:49:00,050 --> 00:49:02,200
So you can go back hundreds of years
954
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,610
and find various people,
historical figures,
955
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:08,930
who have certainly seen
strange things in the sky
956
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:11,560
that nowadays we would call UFOs.
957
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,070
Whether it's Alexander The
Great, whether it's Constantine,
958
00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:17,350
whether it's Christopher Columbus,
959
00:49:17,350 --> 00:49:19,977
some of these great
figures have seen UFOs,
960
00:49:19,977 --> 00:49:22,920
and of course, they
didn't use that phrase.
961
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,980
They would talk about
fiery crosses in the sky,
962
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:30,770
or lanterns on or under the ocean.
963
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:35,600
You can only use the
language and conceptual ideas
964
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,253
you have available to you, so
when we say things like UFO,
965
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:43,250
it's just a word, it's just
a phrase, it's a label.
966
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:46,780
We see these things through
our individual eyes,
967
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:50,610
we perceive them through our
culture, our belief system.
968
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:53,410
If a shadowy figure appears
at the foot of your bed,
969
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:56,350
if you're religious you
might think it's an angel.
970
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:58,780
If you're interested in the paranormal,
971
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:00,310
you might think it's a ghost.
972
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:01,940
If you're interested in UFOs,
973
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:04,770
you might think it's an
abduction experience.
974
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:08,270
So these are perhaps the same phenomena,
975
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:12,310
but perceived and interpreted
976
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:15,617
through the individual language, culture,
977
00:50:15,617 --> 00:50:17,910
and belief system of the witness.
978
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:19,410
- [Narrator] The Miracle of the Sun,
979
00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:21,750
also know as the Miracle of Fatima,
980
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:26,090
is reported to have occurred
on October 13th, 1917,
981
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:28,500
attended by a large crowd who had gathered
982
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:30,590
in Fatima, Portugal.
983
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:33,270
Newspapers published
testimony from witnesses
984
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:36,340
who said they had seen
extraordinary solar activity,
985
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:40,020
such as the sun appearing to
dance or zig-zag in the sky,
986
00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:41,320
careering towards the Earth,
987
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,340
or omit multicolored
light and radiant colors.
988
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:46,060
According to these reports,
989
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:48,880
the event lasted approximately 10 minutes.
990
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,440
Some describe it as a religious
event or an act of God.
991
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,100
Others believe it was UFOs.
992
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,700
- It was a UFO event.
993
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,880
We've got too much witness testimony
994
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,550
from the hand-written 1917 documents,
995
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:04,090
which are tucked away at
the sanctuary in Fatima,
996
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:05,920
written by Father Ferreira,
997
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,740
who was the parish priest in Fatima,
998
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:11,363
who went to the witnesses
and took their testimony,
999
00:51:11,363 --> 00:51:14,810
it's hand written, and
de Almeida had access
1000
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:17,790
to the sanctuary in the 20th century,
1001
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:21,240
and she took a tape recorder
and just read everything.
1002
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,950
Couldn't write, couldn't take pictures,
1003
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:25,930
but she just read as fast as
she could in the tape recorder.
1004
00:51:25,930 --> 00:51:27,540
And then later on, would disseminate.
1005
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:30,070
And what she realized
is that, wait a minute,
1006
00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:33,620
the witnesses are telling us
something completely different
1007
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:36,170
than what we've heard, the
idea of the spinning sun
1008
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:39,230
and the miracle and the
blessed Virgin Mary.
1009
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:43,070
All this was basically
concocted about 11 years
1010
00:51:43,070 --> 00:51:46,100
after the event by the Catholic Church.
1011
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,030
The whole event was dressed
up in, the secrets of Fatima,
1012
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:51,700
there are no secrets of Fatima.
1013
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,240
That comes later when
Louchier has been hustled off
1014
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,650
to a convent and she's
now 18, 19 years old,
1015
00:51:58,650 --> 00:52:00,810
this happens at 28 where she begins,
1016
00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:02,140
and guess what the first one is?
1017
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:05,190
Consecrating rushes to
the sacred heart of Mary.
1018
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:08,670
Well, you know, this is a three
hour theological discussion.
1019
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:10,950
Mary does not have a
sacred heart, first of all.
1020
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:13,427
If you read the biblical
narrative, she says,
1021
00:52:13,427 --> 00:52:15,350
"I'm a sinner like everybody else."
1022
00:52:15,350 --> 00:52:17,690
So, yeah, she's the God
barer, I get all that,
1023
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:20,590
and she's blessed among all
women, I understand that,
1024
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:22,690
but it wasn't Mary that
appeared to the kids,
1025
00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:25,720
the entity had a very short dress on,
1026
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,487
had this weird kind of cloak thing,
1027
00:52:27,487 --> 00:52:29,410
and was holding some sort of a ball.
1028
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:31,100
All that's been dressed up.
1029
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:34,420
But you go back, in the
1917 hand-written documents
1030
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:36,090
and it's a whole different deal.
1031
00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:41,090
We have the photograph that
was taken by Joshua Benoliel
1032
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,160
in the field at Fatima on
October 13th, 1917, we've got it.
1033
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:51,710
And Jose Machado was the
man who actually went into,
1034
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:55,260
he had access to the archives in Fatima,
1035
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:59,280
and was able to handle
the original glass plates,
1036
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,390
the original glass plates, okay.
1037
00:53:01,390 --> 00:53:03,270
And he's looking at these things,
1038
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:05,120
and he went on record and said
1039
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,670
that these are not chemical burns,
1040
00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:08,810
they're not smudges,
they're not scratches,
1041
00:53:08,810 --> 00:53:12,130
whatever this thing is, it's
intrinsic in the photograph.
1042
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:13,800
And there's actually
three other photographs,
1043
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,510
which he was not allowed to reproduce,
1044
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:20,810
but he told us about them,
that had the object in it too.
1045
00:53:20,810 --> 00:53:23,380
And the object is clearly a disc,
1046
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:26,914
and it's hovering right
over the apparition site.
1047
00:53:26,914 --> 00:53:29,310
So people can do with
that what they want to,
1048
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:32,410
but witness after witness
came on the record in 1917
1049
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:35,710
and stated, I looked up and
saw a dull, silver disc.
1050
00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:38,190
That's what they said,
and all that, of course,
1051
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:41,060
has been obfuscated, you never
hear anything about that,
1052
00:53:41,060 --> 00:53:42,780
but that's why we went into it.
1053
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:44,700
So it was a UFO event in my opinion.
1054
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,250
- It's pretty clear that a
lot of ancient text describe,
1055
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:50,760
what we would call today, UFO sightings.
1056
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,180
Flying saucers, alien
spacecraft, that kind of thing.
1057
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:57,820
To me, there's no question
that we've been visited
1058
00:53:57,820 --> 00:53:59,563
for a very long time.
1059
00:53:59,563 --> 00:54:02,460
It does seem likely
that the alien interest,
1060
00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:05,900
the extra terrestrial
interest, in the human race
1061
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:08,173
has accelerated since
World War II, for sure.
1062
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:12,090
- The history of the UFO phenomenon,
1063
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:15,450
and particularly, I suppose, ufology,
1064
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:19,800
has been almost like a
cat and mouse struggle
1065
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,947
between the UFO community
and the government.
1066
00:54:21,947 --> 00:54:25,070
The UFO community believing
that the government
1067
00:54:25,070 --> 00:54:30,070
is gatekeeper of some huge
secret, too terrible to be told,
1068
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:33,230
and that there's a
conspiracy and a coverup,
1069
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:35,360
and that it's just a matter of time.
1070
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,100
If we keep pushing at this
maybe we'll break it down,
1071
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:43,640
and there have been various
attempts to, I suppose,
1072
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,640
smash through the wall of
secrecy as people perceive it.
1073
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:54,140
The Disclosure Project has
been one such initiative.
1074
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:58,690
Dr. Steven Greer certainly
drew together a large number
1075
00:54:58,690 --> 00:55:03,410
of people who had some kind
of involvement with this,
1076
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:05,620
or claimed to have had
some sort of involvement,
1077
00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:08,440
either on the policy side or as witnesses,
1078
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,440
but within government, military
intelligence community.
1079
00:55:13,850 --> 00:55:16,690
Some of those witnesses,
I think were the real deal
1080
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:21,340
and had genuine exposure
to information about this,
1081
00:55:21,340 --> 00:55:22,520
and sightings.
1082
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,900
I think there are question
marks over others.
1083
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:28,810
But over the years, other
people have stepped up too,
1084
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:33,470
Stephen Bassett has done a
lot of work in this area.
1085
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:37,770
Many other figures,
James Fox, Leslie Cain,
1086
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:40,600
people have put together events
at the National Press Club
1087
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,600
in Washington D.C. to try to
draw together various insiders,
1088
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:50,740
pilots, generals, military
officers going on the record.
1089
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:54,660
I think all this has
moved us further forward,
1090
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:59,320
but I think it's a mistake
to regard the disclosure
1091
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,310
as a single event and a binary process.
1092
00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:08,930
- It gets kind of complicated
when you've got real cases
1093
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:12,470
and you've got government
agencies fabricating stories
1094
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:14,630
as well for political reasons.
1095
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:18,830
But, for me, that's also a
fascinating aspect of it all.
1096
00:56:18,830 --> 00:56:21,590
You just have to go
where the data takes you,
1097
00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:23,540
and I've never been someone, really,
1098
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:26,850
who has taken all this
from the perspective,
1099
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:28,620
I think it's gonna be this,
1100
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:30,730
so I'm gonna try and prove this theory.
1101
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:32,190
That's the wrong way to take it.
1102
00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:35,290
I just go where the flow goes,
1103
00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:37,750
and that's all you can really do.
1104
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:40,130
And, hopefully, at the end of the day,
1105
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:43,313
if we're all six foot under
ground, we get the answers.
1106
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,980
- We're going to divert a
little bit from the format
1107
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:52,265
of past press conferences.
1108
00:56:52,265 --> 00:56:54,165
- I don't know that I believe
in government disclosure,
1109
00:56:54,165 --> 00:56:56,110
but I think the aliens are gonna land
1110
00:56:56,110 --> 00:56:58,130
on the White House lawn at some point.
1111
00:56:58,130 --> 00:57:00,430
- All the newer revelations
that are coming out,
1112
00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:03,650
daily, literally, on the news,
and the mainstream media.
1113
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:05,410
I mean, this is old
stuff for us researchers
1114
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:08,210
who've been in it for,
you know, a decade plus,
1115
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:10,320
but it is exciting times,
1116
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,170
and it's exciting to see the
rest of the world sort of
1117
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:16,360
go through what I went through
a little over 10 years ago.
1118
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,450
- [Narrator] 33% of US adults believe that
1119
00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:22,160
some UFO sightings over
the years have in fact
1120
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,650
been alien spacecraft visiting the Earth
1121
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:26,713
from other planets or galaxies.
1122
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:31,320
16% of Americans say they
have personally witnessed
1123
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,530
something that they thought was a UFO.
1124
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:35,780
- So within three to five years,
1125
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:37,820
your governments gonna finally tell you,
1126
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:40,850
we know nothing about ETs,
we don't know who they are,
1127
00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:42,460
we don't know where they came from,
1128
00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:44,560
we know nothing about it.
1129
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,320
But they are here, and
they are here to stay.
1130
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,610
And they've been here forever.
1131
00:57:49,610 --> 00:57:51,750
- When I hear people in the UFO community
1132
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:54,210
talk about disclosure,
they even capitalize it,
1133
00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:55,990
Disclosure with a capital D.
1134
00:57:55,990 --> 00:58:00,130
And to them, it takes
the form of the president
1135
00:58:00,130 --> 00:58:03,320
going on television, my fellow Americans,
1136
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,390
people of the world, we are not alone.
1137
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:11,390
And then the secret is
unpacked for everyone.
1138
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,119
(crowd applauding and cheering)
1139
00:58:18,717 --> 00:58:22,670
I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
1140
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:25,200
I don't think it's as binary as that.
1141
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,520
It kind of assumes that the US Government
1142
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,760
has the archetypal spaceship hidden
1143
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,810
in an Air Force hanger somewhere.
1144
00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:35,043
I'm not sure they do.
1145
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,463
I think that, if anything,
events like the Nimitz encounter,
1146
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:46,460
programs like AATIP, suggest
to me a different scenario.
1147
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:49,590
A scenario where the
government, the military,
1148
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:52,270
says yeah, sure, there is something here,
1149
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:55,930
there's a phenomenon, but
we don't have the answer,
1150
00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:57,180
we don't have a handle on it,
1151
00:58:57,180 --> 00:59:01,870
we don't have crashed
spaceships and dead aliens.
1152
00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:04,030
We have something in our airspace,
1153
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:07,550
our pilots see them, our
radar operators track them,
1154
00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:09,120
our intelligence operators try
1155
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,840
to make sense of what's happening,
1156
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,840
but we still don't really
have a definitive assessment.
1157
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:20,590
So therefore, in that situation,
1158
00:59:20,590 --> 00:59:25,260
I say, there cannot be
disclosure with a capital D
1159
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:30,260
because there is nothing
binary like that to disclose.
1160
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:32,370
So what you have is what I characterize
1161
00:59:32,370 --> 00:59:34,850
as disclosure with a little D.
1162
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:36,400
And disclosure with a little D
1163
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,300
is what we're seeing right now.
1164
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,650
We're seeing the revelations about
1165
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:43,140
The Pentagon's AATIP program,
1166
00:59:43,140 --> 00:59:46,110
we're seeing the videos
of Navy jets chasing UFOs,
1167
00:59:46,110 --> 00:59:48,260
we're hearing from some of the people
1168
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:49,730
involved in the program.
1169
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:53,963
From a senate majority leader,
Harry Reid, who set it up.
1170
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,770
Luis Elizondo, the DIA
intelligence officer
1171
00:59:57,770 --> 01:00:00,150
who ran a lot of this.
1172
01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:05,150
David Fravor, one of the pilots
who chased these objects.
1173
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:07,220
All these people are coming forward.
1174
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:10,890
We have a paper trail now
that we didn't have before.
1175
01:00:10,890 --> 01:00:14,890
The DIA wrote to Congress about this,
1176
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:18,300
releasing a list of studies undertaken
1177
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:20,470
under the AATIP contract.
1178
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:23,720
None of this we had up
until about two years ago.
1179
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,570
This is, I suspect, as good as it gets.
1180
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:29,870
Until and unless extra terrestrials,
1181
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:31,260
if that's what we're dealing with,
1182
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:34,920
do decide to land on the White House lawn.
1183
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,250
So when people say to me, "When
we will get a disclosure?"
1184
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:41,060
My answer is, you're getting it right now.
1185
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:45,650
- Well, the sightings are
coming out I mean weekly.
1186
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:48,870
There's something on mainstream
media covering sightings.
1187
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:52,160
Nimitz, the Tic Tac shape
UFO happened well over,
1188
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,780
I think in 2004, and
Commander David Fravor,
1189
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:57,950
the pilot that chased this thing,
1190
01:00:57,950 --> 01:01:00,760
you hear him go, "Whoa!"
That whole deal, "Got it!"
1191
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,610
He says that, and he's on Tucker Carlson,
1192
01:01:03,610 --> 01:01:05,640
and it begs the question, I
mean Nick Pope and I sat down
1193
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,490
and talked about this thing, you know,
1194
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:09,530
they are rolling this out.
1195
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:12,820
How does someone like Nick
Fravor wind up on Tucker Carlson?
1196
01:01:12,820 --> 01:01:14,870
This guy's a nobody,
he doesn't have a book,
1197
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:16,680
he doesn't have DVD, he's nobody.
1198
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,720
And he's not on any type of a circuit,
1199
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,180
he's not doing any of this stuff.
1200
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:21,570
How does he get on Tucker Carlson?
1201
01:01:21,570 --> 01:01:24,690
But he's there because he's
a useful tool in the toolbox,
1202
01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:26,470
as Nick Pope explained yesterday.
1203
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:29,050
And they took out the hammer
and said, okay, go for it,
1204
01:01:29,050 --> 01:01:31,280
and that was disclosure, 2017.
1205
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,090
And since then, on Tucker Carlson,
1206
01:01:33,090 --> 01:01:35,720
they've been revealing the so-called
1207
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,090
extra terrestrial presence,
1208
01:01:37,090 --> 01:01:39,642
which of course, I believe
is interdimensional,
1209
01:01:39,642 --> 01:01:42,090
and is part of the coming great deception.
1210
01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:44,530
- One of the biggest
problems and challenges
1211
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:47,520
that we have in the UFO field is when it
1212
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,370
comes to the issue of
what's real and what isn't.
1213
01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:54,430
We know there are genuine, really cool,
1214
01:01:54,430 --> 01:01:58,220
good solid UFO cases, but at times,
1215
01:01:58,220 --> 01:02:01,510
government agencies have
tried to muddy the waters
1216
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:04,480
by creating bogus stories,
1217
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,637
and then revealing them as bogus stories,
1218
01:02:06,637 --> 01:02:08,890
and that kind of makes people,
1219
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:10,743
they feel like, well, why
should I keep doing this?
1220
01:02:10,743 --> 01:02:12,310
It's just garbage,
1221
01:02:12,310 --> 01:02:15,560
but it's actually just
government manipulation,
1222
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,560
and trying to sort of lower
people's sense of excitement
1223
01:02:20,767 --> 01:02:23,250
and vision for all this.
1224
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:26,550
And I think, at times, government agencies
1225
01:02:26,550 --> 01:02:28,480
do this really well, you know.
1226
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,360
They build something up and then,
1227
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,970
well, it was just a hoax after all,
1228
01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:35,660
and everybody gets kind of really down,
1229
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:37,620
and I think that's the whole point.
1230
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:41,510
This is like a battle against ufology
1231
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:45,450
to get us to stop what we're doing
1232
01:02:45,450 --> 01:02:50,270
just by purely making us
think, is it really worth it?
1233
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:52,730
Well, at the end of the
day, it is worth it,
1234
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:57,730
but you have to find a way
to dig through the real stuff
1235
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,600
and the disinformation
and the bogus material,
1236
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,380
and sometimes that can be a big problem
1237
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:06,210
because some of the big
disinformation stories
1238
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:08,960
are the really amazing, exciting stories
1239
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,830
that people don't wanna give up on,
1240
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:12,980
and I'm sure these
agencies recognize that.
1241
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:17,360
There's a lot of manipulation
of the UFO research community
1242
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,250
to prevent us from getting the answers,
1243
01:03:20,250 --> 01:03:22,070
but the important thing of all of this
1244
01:03:22,070 --> 01:03:25,930
is that the government agencies
would not be putting out
1245
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:29,540
disinformation if there
wasn't a real phenomenon.
1246
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:31,027
That's what it actually comes down to,
1247
01:03:31,027 --> 01:03:32,733
and that's an important thing.
1248
01:03:33,860 --> 01:03:36,370
- When it comes to governments and UFOs,
1249
01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:41,370
there are all sorts of rumors
and accusations out there.
1250
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:45,480
Misinformation, disinformation.
1251
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,690
There are characters in this story,
1252
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:50,930
people like Richard Doty who came to have
1253
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:55,300
an Air Force Office of Special
Investigations background,
1254
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:59,030
who say that they worked, at some point,
1255
01:03:59,030 --> 01:04:04,030
on maybe putting false
information into the public domain
1256
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,360
on this subject to lead
people down the wrong paths.
1257
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,980
What I will say is this, that
certainly over the years,
1258
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:15,480
it does seem that there
have been instances where,
1259
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,480
for example, governments
would be almost promoting
1260
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,510
an extra terrestrial
narrative to hide the reality
1261
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:29,070
that in some of these cases
it's our own technology.
1262
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:34,070
So, for example, in the
'60s, when pilots were seeing
1263
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,410
and reporting things
like the U-2 spy plane
1264
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:42,060
and the SR-71 Blackbird,
1265
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:46,540
it suited the CIA and the
United States Air Force
1266
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:49,090
for any media reports about this
1267
01:04:49,090 --> 01:04:51,010
to come out as flying saucer reports,
1268
01:04:51,010 --> 01:04:56,010
as opposed to a report of
an astonishing looking,
1269
01:04:56,770 --> 01:04:59,300
next generation aircraft.
1270
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,660
Does that mean that on
occasion the government
1271
01:05:01,660 --> 01:05:05,470
has, itself, fueled the fire when it comes
1272
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:09,350
to the UFO phenomenon and the narrative?
1273
01:05:09,350 --> 01:05:10,910
Maybe.
1274
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:13,790
- [Narrator] 49% of
Americans think that beings,
1275
01:05:13,790 --> 01:05:17,350
somewhat like ourselves, exist
somewhere in the universe.
1276
01:05:17,350 --> 01:05:21,350
Even more, 75% believe that some form
1277
01:05:21,350 --> 01:05:23,693
of life exists on other planets.
1278
01:05:23,693 --> 01:05:27,534
- So, for me, it's mainly
UFOs and cryptozoology,
1279
01:05:27,534 --> 01:05:31,810
and that sometimes there's
a crossover between the two.
1280
01:05:31,810 --> 01:05:34,810
Of all the things that are going
on, you know, two's plenty.
1281
01:05:36,837 --> 01:05:38,810
And I wouldn't want people
to think it's a job,
1282
01:05:38,810 --> 01:05:42,010
it's a passion, but it's
a passion where I think
1283
01:05:42,010 --> 01:05:45,170
you also need time away,
1284
01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:48,000
because I do know,
sometimes, nightmare stories
1285
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,720
of people who it becomes an obsession
1286
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,820
to the point where it
actually affects their lives
1287
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:55,330
and marriages and things,
1288
01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:59,890
because that obsession
quite literally takes over.
1289
01:05:59,890 --> 01:06:01,940
And I can see how easily that can happen,
1290
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:04,950
but for me, I have to have
time to see what's going on
1291
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:09,950
with the soccer, you know, and
nevermind UFOs now and again.
1292
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,640
- The cool thing is I come
from a different perspective.
1293
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,890
And most people in that
audience have never heard it,
1294
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:18,680
but I go really slowly
and I speak in a language
1295
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,660
which I think people can understand.
1296
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:23,650
I didn't mention the word
Jesus until the very, very end,
1297
01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:26,800
and then I revealed the goods.
1298
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,830
But it took me three
sessions to get there.
1299
01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:33,190
I talk about my spirit guide,
which is the holy spirit,
1300
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:35,000
the great spirit, the holy ghost,
1301
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,370
that's who my spirit guide is.
1302
01:06:36,370 --> 01:06:38,370
But if I say the holy ghost,
1303
01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:42,050
or if I say the holy spirit,
quick, they won't listen,
1304
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:45,540
but if I say my spirit guide,
which is what he is, right,
1305
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:47,940
they instantly relate,
they instantly relate.
1306
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:49,720
So I'm not trying to be deceitful,
1307
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,030
I'm trying to speak in a
language that I can communicate
1308
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:54,310
with the UFO community with.
1309
01:06:54,310 --> 01:06:57,000
I've seen two myself,
I come from that world.
1310
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,830
My third eye was open, I was
in an Archamp for three years.
1311
01:07:00,830 --> 01:07:03,440
I mean, I did the whole
deal, I was immersed in it,
1312
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,440
so I have a very unique
perspective in looking at all this,
1313
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,030
and I'm a frank supernaturalist.
1314
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:09,770
I believe that the
supernatural is more real
1315
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:12,150
than the natural world,
and I've encountered it,
1316
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:14,460
and I encounter it all the time,
1317
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:16,280
and I mean that, all the time.
1318
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,790
When the spirit of a living God speaks,
1319
01:07:18,790 --> 01:07:20,270
I've learned to listen.
1320
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:21,890
That's a process in itself.
1321
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:23,650
- Certainly, this kind of interaction,
1322
01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:25,440
to talk with people,
to hear their stories,
1323
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,760
to collaborate other people's stories,
1324
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,840
to then also verify some
of my own experiences,
1325
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,420
you know, like, I'm not
crazy, I saw these things
1326
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:35,300
in the middle of the day.
1327
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:38,730
Having an open mind and
venturing into this world,
1328
01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:41,710
and having these
experiences and interactions
1329
01:07:41,710 --> 01:07:43,310
is a key part of it.
1330
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:46,900
- I have an interesting
relationship with the UFO community.
1331
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,610
Because I did this for the government,
1332
01:07:49,610 --> 01:07:53,470
I think people are very
polarized about me.
1333
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:57,810
A lot of people are very grateful
1334
01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:01,170
and they'll say thank you
for this great information,
1335
01:08:01,170 --> 01:08:04,150
because of course, I don't just
give people the information,
1336
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:06,900
I show them or tell them
where they can get it,
1337
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:08,590
and it's not just a story,
1338
01:08:08,590 --> 01:08:10,780
it's something that can be verified
1339
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:14,030
in the national archives,
1340
01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:17,210
by going to the electronic reading rooms
1341
01:08:17,210 --> 01:08:19,260
of various government agencies,
1342
01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:22,050
by confirmation from the
public affairs offices,
1343
01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:25,420
so a lot of people in the UFO community
1344
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:29,470
are grateful that I've helped them
1345
01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:34,130
maybe make this more credible by being
1346
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:36,950
maybe a communicator on this issue in some
1347
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:39,090
of the mainstream media work that I do,
1348
01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:43,970
and by helping them find
verifiable information.
1349
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:46,960
On the other hand, there
are a lot of people
1350
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,660
in the UFO community
who think that I'm still
1351
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:52,870
secretly working for the government,
1352
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:57,870
that I'm part of either of
a disinformation campaign,
1353
01:08:58,180 --> 01:09:00,300
or flipping it the other way round,
1354
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:04,000
that I'm part of a campaign
to acclimatize people
1355
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,930
to the reality of this ahead
of an official announcement.
1356
01:09:07,930 --> 01:09:10,990
But either way, of
course, when you believe
1357
01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:13,410
that someone's still secretly
working for the government,
1358
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:14,540
they become the bad guy,
1359
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:15,850
so I know that I'm the bad guy
1360
01:09:15,850 --> 01:09:18,210
to a lot of people in the UFO community.
1361
01:09:18,210 --> 01:09:20,210
Well, that's fine, it's difficult,
1362
01:09:20,210 --> 01:09:23,230
if not impossible, to prove a negative,
1363
01:09:23,230 --> 01:09:25,830
so I'm not sure that
there's anything I could do
1364
01:09:25,830 --> 01:09:30,260
to dissuade people who
think I am still secretly
1365
01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:31,890
working for them, it's all disinformation.
1366
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:33,280
I don't think there's anything I can do.
1367
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:34,920
If they want to believe that, fine,
1368
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,100
all I can say is, honestly, I'm not,
1369
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:38,590
but if they believe that,
1370
01:09:38,590 --> 01:09:40,320
they wouldn't believe
my denial, would they?
1371
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:45,320
So I have mixed experience, I
think, with the UFO community.
1372
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:50,890
And, again, as with maybe
a lot of fringe topic,
1373
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:52,530
there's no getting away from the fact
1374
01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:55,820
that there are some out
and out crazy people
1375
01:09:55,820 --> 01:09:59,170
and fraudsters in this community.
1376
01:09:59,170 --> 01:10:02,900
However, let's not throw out
the baby with the bath water.
1377
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:07,350
Most of the people in
the community are honest,
1378
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:11,300
sincere, dedicated, hard-working,
1379
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,600
professional at what they do.
1380
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:18,550
They are genuinely interested
and genuinely doing their best
1381
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:22,109
to uncover, as they
would see it, the truth.
1382
01:10:22,109 --> 01:10:24,160
Whatever that truth may be,
1383
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,100
wherever their journey takes them.
1384
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:32,100
You can't, like myself, have
run a government UFO program
1385
01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:34,640
without finding yourself cast,
1386
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,653
by different parts of the
community, as hero or villain.
1387
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,900
- [Narrator] Even as most
Americans are skeptical
1388
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:43,900
that aliens have visited Earth,
1389
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:48,620
the majority, 56%, believe
that those who spot UFOs
1390
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:51,553
are seeing something real,
not just imagining it.
1391
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,397
- And then came the ultimate,
the ultimate UFO experience,
1392
01:10:57,397 --> 01:10:59,110
and I have the proof.
1393
01:10:59,110 --> 01:11:02,783
It was during the solar eclipse in 2012.
1394
01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:08,690
My wife, she wanted to take
pictures of the solar eclipse.
1395
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:11,437
And I said, "Well, you can
do that, but don't look it,
1396
01:11:11,437 --> 01:11:12,270
"whatever it is."
1397
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:16,600
And then she went, (imitating
camera click) six times,
1398
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,400
she took six shots, and I was
going, "What are you doing?"
1399
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,520
'Cause she was looking through it
1400
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,590
and I was afraid for her eyes.
1401
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:28,280
And oh my gosh, when we
developed those pictures,
1402
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,090
you could see Jericho, it's a hub,
1403
01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:34,110
And believe me, you cannot duplicate this,
1404
01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:37,150
regardless how good
you are with Photoshop.
1405
01:11:37,150 --> 01:11:40,250
You could see the hub coming to me,
1406
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:43,140
getting closer and closer and closer,
1407
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:46,393
entering my third eye and
coming out of my heart.
1408
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:52,730
And since that day I have
been making predictions
1409
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,960
that are well documented,
dated, and unarguable,
1410
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:02,053
about earthquakes above 6.0.
1411
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:06,080
I was on George Noory, 40
million people listening to me.
1412
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,507
I said "Be ready for
fire, and we're gonna lose
1413
01:12:08,507 --> 01:12:10,020
"a hell of a lot of wildlife."
1414
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,770
A week and a half later, Australian fire
1415
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:15,050
killed millions of animals.
1416
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:17,187
And I said, "Be careful,
there is a new disease
1417
01:12:17,187 --> 01:12:18,440
"coming for the lungs."
1418
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:21,573
The next thing you know, our virus.
1419
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,840
I get the exact date for
9/11, with all the details.
1420
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,140
I get exact dates for terrorist attack,
1421
01:12:31,140 --> 01:12:35,960
which brought the FBI twice in my house.
1422
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,040
Believe me, extra terrestrials
are master of matter,
1423
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,670
master engineer from the extreme.
1424
01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:45,640
They do not care who you
are, if you're the president,
1425
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,110
they don't care of your education,
1426
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:49,160
they do not care of your position,
1427
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:54,160
they have lost something that
people like me were born with.
1428
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:57,993
They have lost their spirit,
they have lost their identity.
1429
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,910
They have lost their connection
with God and the divine.
1430
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:05,210
And humanity is moving in that direction.
1431
01:13:05,210 --> 01:13:07,890
And that's why everything is
rational and it's practical,
1432
01:13:07,890 --> 01:13:11,290
because the more you
delegate with the tree,
1433
01:13:11,290 --> 01:13:13,820
the less you're gonna see the forest.
1434
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:18,210
- There are many, many fascinating
cases I've come across.
1435
01:13:18,210 --> 01:13:23,070
Some fairly well known,
some less well known,
1436
01:13:23,070 --> 01:13:24,210
some not known at all.
1437
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:25,890
I mean, I think you could go, for example,
1438
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:29,850
through the declassified archives
1439
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:33,840
of Ministry of Defence
files and you could pull out
1440
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,540
something almost at random and
say, wow, that's interesting.
1441
01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:39,500
I mean, we had some amazing cases,
1442
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:40,810
we had a great case, for example,
1443
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:45,810
where a UFO was seen to come down
1444
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:49,993
and the witnesses thought
that it had landed in a field.
1445
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:54,440
They went to the field,
fully expecting to see
1446
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:56,490
something like out of "Close Encounters",
1447
01:13:56,490 --> 01:14:01,320
a UFO sat on or directly above the ground.
1448
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,810
No UFO, but in the middle of the field,
1449
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:07,950
all the cows had congregated,
1450
01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:11,560
were stood in a perfect circle,
1451
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,080
facing each other, completely silent.
1452
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,780
So you dip into the
Ministry of Defence files
1453
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:19,270
and you can find cases like that.
1454
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:22,770
You can go into the UFO literature
1455
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:24,980
and you can find the well known cases,
1456
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,340
but you can find more obscure ones
1457
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:30,091
that really make you think.
1458
01:14:30,091 --> 01:14:33,557
One thing that's caught
my eye recently is that,
1459
01:14:33,557 --> 01:14:36,740
and I think people have missed this
1460
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:41,740
because we use the phrase UFO
we think of things in the air,
1461
01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:47,340
but there have been many,
many cases of UFOs seen
1462
01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:49,260
either under the water,
1463
01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:52,010
and I've spoken to
witnesses who talk about
1464
01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:55,690
some extraordinary encounters
of UFOs under the water,
1465
01:14:55,690 --> 01:15:00,163
UFOs transitioning from
water to air, air to water,
1466
01:15:00,163 --> 01:15:03,650
UFOs apparently drawing up water.
1467
01:15:03,650 --> 01:15:06,950
So many, many of these so-called USO,
1468
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:11,130
unidentified submerged objects,
1469
01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:14,850
many of those cases have
kind of gone unnoticed,
1470
01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:18,870
maybe until the Tic Tac incident,
1471
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:21,470
and that's kind of focused
people's attention.
1472
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:23,270
But we're kidding
ourselves if we think that
1473
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:27,700
that's the first time that a
UFO has ever been seen moving,
1474
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:31,670
apparently seamlessly, from
air to water, water to air.
1475
01:15:31,670 --> 01:15:34,700
And then, of course, the
physics involved and implied
1476
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:37,090
by something like that is interesting.
1477
01:15:37,090 --> 01:15:41,150
So, you can almost at random sometimes,
1478
01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:44,250
pick a country, pick an archive,
1479
01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:46,420
and go and find interesting things
1480
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:49,550
that have maybe not
been talked about much,
1481
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:53,310
because everyone, of course,
has their favorite cases,
1482
01:15:53,310 --> 01:15:57,700
their flagship cases,
Rendlesham Forest, Roswell,
1483
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:02,330
whatever it may be, the
Phoenix Lights, Steven Vel,
1484
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:05,330
Travis Walton, many, many different cases,
1485
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:09,520
but sometimes I think the lesser known
1486
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,900
or the completely unknown
ones are more interesting,
1487
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:16,630
you've just gotta dig and maybe find some
1488
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:19,563
interesting diamonds in the rough.
1489
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:27,110
- This stuff is really, it's complex,
1490
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:32,110
but a good student can unravel
the mysteries that are there.
1491
01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:34,460
And, look, I don't know it all,
1492
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:36,950
I don't have all the mysteries
unraveled, nobody does,
1493
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:38,520
but that's why we're on the trail,
1494
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,370
'cause life is for learning.
1495
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:45,370
- To me, the questions, are we
alone or not in the universe?
1496
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:47,480
Are we being visited?
1497
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:48,700
Those are some of the biggest
1498
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:51,730
and most profound questions
we can ask ourselves.
1499
01:16:51,730 --> 01:16:55,620
Why wouldn't we want to get
the answers to those questions?
1500
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,430
Is there a God, does
consciousness survive death
1501
01:16:59,430 --> 01:17:01,120
of the physical body?
1502
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,300
Those are probably unknowable,
1503
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:06,750
but the question of is
there extra terrestrial life
1504
01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:09,950
might be something that
actually surprisingly quickly
1505
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:12,630
and easily we might get
a definitive answer.
1506
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:14,590
That interests me.
1507
01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:18,860
I mean, philosophy,
hypothesizing, interests me,
1508
01:17:18,860 --> 01:17:21,513
but at the end of the
day, that's just belief.
1509
01:17:22,410 --> 01:17:26,750
What intrigues me is the
possibility of getting definitive,
1510
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:31,750
testable, repeatable proof on
the extra terrestrial question
1511
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:33,060
that would tell us, yes,
1512
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:35,300
there are other civilizations out there.
1513
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:40,300
The technology, could
that give us, for example,
1514
01:17:40,900 --> 01:17:44,380
solutions to problems that
we have here on Earth?
1515
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:46,930
More generally, if we could either
1516
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:51,130
talk to other civilizations or access data
1517
01:17:51,130 --> 01:17:53,840
about other civilizations perhaps through
1518
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,770
picking up messages and signals,
1519
01:17:55,770 --> 01:17:59,900
could we learn things
that might help us, again,
1520
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:03,600
overcome some of the
problems we face here?
1521
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,103
Disease, poverty, prejudice and hatred.
1522
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,500
If there are other
civilizations who've evolved
1523
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,380
and become more advanced than us,
1524
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:19,007
did they face those same
problems and overcome them?
1525
01:18:19,007 --> 01:18:21,590
And if so, how did they overcome them?
1526
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:26,270
Is there some tangible,
whether it's technology
1527
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:30,140
or whether it's almost a
philosophy, a political system,
1528
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:33,320
whatever it is, is there
something we can learn?
1529
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,835
Again, I find this incredibly interesting,
1530
01:18:35,835 --> 01:18:38,910
and my goodness, isn't it high stakes?
1531
01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:41,830
At the moment we have all
our eggs in one basket
1532
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:44,960
here on planet Earth, one global pandemic,
1533
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,260
one big enough comet or asteroid strike,
1534
01:18:48,260 --> 01:18:52,210
one nuclear war, and that's
it, the human adventure ends.
1535
01:18:52,210 --> 01:18:57,160
Someday, just through the
natural lifecycle of the stars,
1536
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,640
our sun will grow hotter and expand,
1537
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,710
and life on Earth will be impossible.
1538
01:19:02,710 --> 01:19:05,600
So at some point, we have to develop
1539
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,110
viable interstellar travel.
1540
01:19:08,110 --> 01:19:11,920
This is why I'm interested in ufology
1541
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,220
and the search for extra
terrestrial intelligence.
1542
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:16,690
Even though I'm no longer
involved for the Government,
1543
01:19:16,690 --> 01:19:20,050
because as I say, these
are not only the biggest
1544
01:19:20,050 --> 01:19:22,240
and profound questions
we can ask ourselves,
1545
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:27,010
but these are questions
of existential importance.
1546
01:19:27,010 --> 01:19:28,170
- If we're gonna get the answers,
1547
01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:31,100
we've just gotta keep pushing.
1548
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,170
I've seen so many people,
they get into it at 20,
1549
01:19:34,170 --> 01:19:37,370
at 40 they're disillusioned,
at 50 they're like,
1550
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:39,210
why did I waste that time?
1551
01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:40,950
But I don't look at it like that,
1552
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:43,740
I look at it that we're pursuing a major,
1553
01:19:43,740 --> 01:19:47,950
incredible phenomenon, and
to give up after this time
1554
01:19:47,950 --> 01:19:50,210
or that time is just ridiculous.
1555
01:19:50,210 --> 01:19:53,250
- I don't know how we could
exist without beliefs.
1556
01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:55,320
How can you have a
thought without a belief?
1557
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,610
It would be nothing, it'd be nothing.
1558
01:19:58,610 --> 01:20:00,237
Everything starts with a belief.
1559
01:20:07,839 --> 01:20:11,006
(upbeat sci-fi music)
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