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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,973 --> 00:00:07,406 Courthouses are supposed to be 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,975 places of calm and dignity, 3 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:13,612 where order is maintained and justice is served, 4 00:00:13,714 --> 00:00:16,415 but when stakes and emotions are at their highest, 5 00:00:16,517 --> 00:00:19,184 cool heads don't always prevail. 6 00:00:25,292 --> 00:00:26,392 Coming up... 7 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:27,659 We, the jury, find the defendant, Daniel villegas... 8 00:00:27,762 --> 00:00:31,330 ...fears and tears as a man awaits his fate in 9 00:00:31,432 --> 00:00:33,165 a third capital murder trial. 10 00:00:33,267 --> 00:00:35,834 I believe that the tension, you could cut it with a knife. 11 00:00:35,936 --> 00:00:39,104 A callous killer faces a father's fury. 12 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:46,945 And a judge leaps through his courtroom 13 00:00:47,048 --> 00:00:48,580 in a single bound. 14 00:00:48,682 --> 00:00:49,882 I just wanted to get them. 15 00:00:49,984 --> 00:00:53,018 From superheroes to a whiny mama's boy. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,686 You're gonna make me stand up my own mother, 17 00:00:54,789 --> 00:00:56,021 my 83-year-old mother? 18 00:00:56,123 --> 00:00:58,657 With key insights from our team of crime 19 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:00,059 and legal experts. 20 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:02,861 Stalkers are notorious for making 21 00:01:02,963 --> 00:01:05,931 their victims lives a living hell. 22 00:01:06,033 --> 00:01:08,000 On "chaos in court." 23 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:18,610 On November 5, 2018, Lisa balch passes out justice 24 00:01:18,712 --> 00:01:21,413 for hartley t-shirts outside a Vancouver, 25 00:01:21,515 --> 00:01:22,848 Washington, courthouse. 26 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:25,050 Five-year-old hartley Anderson 27 00:01:25,152 --> 00:01:27,553 was murdered just three days earlier. 28 00:01:27,655 --> 00:01:30,456 She was at our Halloween party at work on Wednesday, 29 00:01:30,558 --> 00:01:32,324 and I got my last hug from her. 30 00:01:33,894 --> 00:01:36,762 It's heartbreaking to see somebody go through all this. 31 00:01:40,468 --> 00:01:42,868 Lisa balch is one of the many hartley family 32 00:01:42,970 --> 00:01:44,937 supporters who gather for the arraignment 33 00:01:45,039 --> 00:01:46,939 of the child's alleged killer, 34 00:01:47,041 --> 00:01:49,341 37-year-old Ryan burge. 35 00:01:49,443 --> 00:01:52,511 Rendelman: In 2018, burge had been dating 36 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:55,280 the mother of this five-year-old child. 37 00:01:55,382 --> 00:01:57,349 He was babysitting for the child. 38 00:01:57,451 --> 00:01:58,784 The mother returned home 39 00:01:58,886 --> 00:02:03,255 and found the child unresponsive and unconscious. 40 00:02:05,326 --> 00:02:07,493 Hartley's mother, nataasha luchau, 41 00:02:07,595 --> 00:02:09,595 immediately calls 911. 42 00:02:09,697 --> 00:02:11,430 911. 43 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:20,506 Ryan burge says that she has a temper tantrum, 44 00:02:20,608 --> 00:02:22,541 and that she goes into her room and starts 45 00:02:22,643 --> 00:02:24,610 banging her head against the wall, 46 00:02:24,712 --> 00:02:26,812 ultimately losing consciousness. 47 00:02:26,914 --> 00:02:29,314 But other than that, he said he had nothing to do with it. 48 00:02:29,416 --> 00:02:30,516 He never touched her. 49 00:02:56,443 --> 00:03:00,312 Tragically, hartley dies later at the hospital. 50 00:03:00,414 --> 00:03:02,948 An autopsy reveals severe head trauma, 51 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:05,217 and her death is ruled a homicide. 52 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,819 This was a very severe beating that caused her death, 53 00:03:07,922 --> 00:03:10,322 and it just obviously couldn't be explained away that 54 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:11,723 she hit her head. 55 00:03:11,825 --> 00:03:14,226 It's not uncommon as police officers, when we show up to 56 00:03:14,328 --> 00:03:16,528 calls where a child has been hurt, 57 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:19,731 that someone will try to come up with a very simple reason 58 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:20,966 why the child was injured. 59 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:25,037 Oftentimes, those stories that they give just don't match 60 00:03:25,139 --> 00:03:26,505 the injuries. -Bryant: It turns out, 61 00:03:26,607 --> 00:03:29,474 nataasha luchau, the mother of little hartley, 62 00:03:29,577 --> 00:03:32,644 has been dating Mr. Burge only four months -- doesn't have 63 00:03:32,746 --> 00:03:36,481 a real clear picture of his background, which turns out to 64 00:03:36,584 --> 00:03:39,184 have included a number of crimes. 65 00:03:39,286 --> 00:03:42,688 Ryan burge was arrested in 2008 and spent 66 00:03:42,790 --> 00:03:44,156 six years in prison for 67 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:47,459 setting fire to on apartment building and trying to collect 68 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:49,494 the insurance money. 69 00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:53,765 Now, the mom had no idea about Ryan's prison record. 70 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:56,735 So even though his criminal history doesn't show that 71 00:03:56,837 --> 00:04:00,806 he has any history of violence toward anyone, much less kids, 72 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:03,308 the fact that he's babysitting a child, 73 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,211 the child of the woman he's only been dating for four months, 74 00:04:06,313 --> 00:04:08,080 could be a recipe for disaster. 75 00:04:08,182 --> 00:04:10,882 Bryant: Nataasha luchau is wrestling with so many emotions. 76 00:04:10,985 --> 00:04:12,384 Yes, she's just lost her child, 77 00:04:12,486 --> 00:04:16,221 but she must probably also be feeling some guilt. 78 00:04:16,323 --> 00:04:17,923 At a candlelight vigil, 79 00:04:18,025 --> 00:04:20,192 hartley's mom speaks out. 80 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:24,763 The child's biological father, Peter Anderson, is by her side. 81 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:29,601 Life will never be the same without her again. 82 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:33,205 Hartley isn't here to tell you how much all your love and care 83 00:04:33,307 --> 00:04:36,074 has meant, so I'll have to do it for her. 84 00:04:36,176 --> 00:04:39,678 For her -- hartley, you'll always be in our hearts. 85 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:41,179 I love you so much. 86 00:04:41,282 --> 00:04:45,083 We will never stop fighting for justice for you. 87 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:48,420 At burge's arraignment, inside the courtroom, 88 00:04:48,522 --> 00:04:51,757 the grief and tension is excruciating as the family 89 00:04:51,859 --> 00:04:53,492 awaits burge's arrival. 90 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:56,595 This is only three days after the murder of this little girl, 91 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:59,765 and everybody's heart just goes out to the mother. 92 00:04:59,867 --> 00:05:02,467 They all have t-shirts on for hartley, 93 00:05:02,569 --> 00:05:05,237 and they're packed in this courtroom. 94 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:08,006 The stakes are extremely high, 95 00:05:08,108 --> 00:05:11,443 as the family sees burge for the first time since 96 00:05:11,545 --> 00:05:12,711 the child's death. 97 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:14,346 Rendelman: So as the defendant walks out, 98 00:05:14,448 --> 00:05:17,616 you can hear the audible cries of the family members. 99 00:05:19,486 --> 00:05:21,653 You killed my baby. 100 00:05:21,755 --> 00:05:23,488 Bove: This defendant is brought into the courtroom 101 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:25,490 wearing a suicide smock. 102 00:05:25,592 --> 00:05:28,927 Apparently, the security had found out 103 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:32,297 that he may be a danger to himself. 104 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:36,468 The material made from a suicide smock is material that 105 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:39,538 just rips easy so they can't hang themselves. 106 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,342 It gives you an inside look into what the mindset 107 00:05:43,444 --> 00:05:46,878 or the emotional state of Ryan is. 108 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:49,514 Before the proceeding even begins, 109 00:05:49,616 --> 00:05:51,650 hartley's mother, nataasha luchau, 110 00:05:51,752 --> 00:05:54,853 is overwhelmed with emotion and collapses. 111 00:05:54,955 --> 00:05:57,289 The mother of hartley Anderson, the woman that had 112 00:05:57,391 --> 00:06:02,227 actually brought this demon into the family and had 113 00:06:02,329 --> 00:06:04,463 introduced him to this five-year-old, 114 00:06:04,598 --> 00:06:09,101 was so devastated when she saw him that she physically had to 115 00:06:09,203 --> 00:06:11,803 be lifted and taken out of the courtroom. 116 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:15,073 Peter Anderson, hartley's biological father, 117 00:06:15,175 --> 00:06:17,142 is just out of the camera's view 118 00:06:17,244 --> 00:06:18,577 in the corner of the courtroom. 119 00:06:18,679 --> 00:06:21,046 To have to be in a courtroom with the man who 120 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,615 murdered your child is gonna be difficult for anyone. 121 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,119 And that really became the boiling point for 122 00:06:27,221 --> 00:06:28,353 hartley's father. 123 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:31,623 As a court officer, I know from experience that dealing 124 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:34,126 with an infant or a baby's death, 125 00:06:34,228 --> 00:06:36,962 that the family is definitely on edge, 126 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:38,363 and the father just lost it. 127 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:55,881 Bove: They cuffed him for safety purposes, 128 00:06:55,983 --> 00:06:59,651 not only for the court officers, but also for himself. 129 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:02,087 This father did what anybody might do, 130 00:07:02,189 --> 00:07:05,590 but going after the defendant really doesn't help anybody. 131 00:07:05,692 --> 00:07:08,827 It just makes everybody more upset, more tense, 132 00:07:08,929 --> 00:07:11,863 and it does nothing to promote getting justice for hartley, 133 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:13,832 and that's the ultimate goal. 134 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:16,301 After order is restored in the courtroom, 135 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:19,504 Ryan burge enters a plea of not guilty, 136 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:23,442 which only infuriates hartley's family even more. 137 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:26,912 Outside, they pray for justice. 138 00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:30,982 One of the saddest aspects is not just, you know, 139 00:07:31,084 --> 00:07:32,451 the fact that this child is gone, 140 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:36,121 but the grandfather comes out of the courtroom and explains 141 00:07:36,223 --> 00:07:40,492 how this defendant has robbed them of this grandchild. 142 00:07:40,594 --> 00:07:43,361 I'll never get to see her graduate from high school, 143 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:44,763 be married, or anything. 144 00:07:44,865 --> 00:07:46,498 He took that from US. 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,801 He took the joy we had with her away. 146 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:53,472 He -- I just hope the -- the system works. 147 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:55,474 His hope is soon realized. 148 00:07:55,576 --> 00:07:59,344 On February 13, 2020, Ryan burge 149 00:07:59,446 --> 00:08:01,680 is convicted of second-degree murder. 150 00:08:01,782 --> 00:08:04,716 He is sentenced to 40 years in prison. 151 00:08:04,818 --> 00:08:06,952 He's gonna be in jail for pretty much 152 00:08:07,054 --> 00:08:08,186 the rest of his life. 153 00:08:16,263 --> 00:08:18,230 In youngstown, Ohio, 154 00:08:18,332 --> 00:08:21,099 62-year-old Dale Williams sr. Is in 155 00:08:21,201 --> 00:08:24,302 court after pleading guilty to gunning down his girlfriend, 156 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:28,139 46-year-old Elizabeth pledger- Stewart, in cold blood. 157 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:34,513 Rendelman: Dale Williams sr. Had been with the victim for about 158 00:08:34,615 --> 00:08:35,947 four years. 159 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:40,385 They had a pretty tumultuous relationship in which 160 00:08:40,487 --> 00:08:44,189 he would often be jealous of the victim. 161 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:46,858 Toward the end, it was getting really bad. 162 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,361 In fact, the defendant sent her a threatening text 163 00:08:49,463 --> 00:08:50,996 the night before the murder 164 00:08:51,098 --> 00:08:53,865 saying the world would be a better place without you. 165 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:55,433 She told the cops about it. 166 00:08:55,536 --> 00:08:57,135 They didn't even have the chance 167 00:08:57,237 --> 00:09:00,205 to, like, turn it over to the detectives 168 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:02,274 the next day because she was already dead 169 00:09:02,376 --> 00:09:03,775 by eight o'clock in the morning. 170 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:09,314 At least one of the police officers 171 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:11,049 saw the whole thing happen. 172 00:09:11,151 --> 00:09:15,086 He was taken directly downtown to the detective division. 173 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:38,977 With no prior criminal record, 174 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:42,480 Dale Williams calmly admits to detectives that he killed 175 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:45,483 Elizabeth because he believed she was seeing someone else. 176 00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:13,311 By his own admission, he says he -- he was out there ready 177 00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:17,182 to go. He knew her direction of travel, 178 00:10:17,284 --> 00:10:19,618 how and when she went to work. 179 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,487 He started at six o'clock that morning, 180 00:10:22,589 --> 00:10:27,092 and he sat behind an empty restaurant, 181 00:10:27,194 --> 00:10:29,260 waiting for her car to pass. 182 00:10:32,599 --> 00:10:34,366 He waits for her, and as he sees her 183 00:10:34,468 --> 00:10:36,735 approaching in her vehicle, literally crashes 184 00:10:36,837 --> 00:10:38,269 his vehicle into hers. 185 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:02,293 Whitmore: She's pleading for her life, and he looks her 186 00:11:02,396 --> 00:11:05,630 in her eyes and merely guns her down. 187 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:16,207 Dale Williams fires ten shots at Elizabeth 188 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:19,077 at point-blank range. 189 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:21,813 A street security camera is rolling, 190 00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:25,150 but just misses capturing the brutal murder on tape. 191 00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:27,118 At least one of the police officers 192 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:30,188 saw the whole thing happen -- by the time he gets 193 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:33,291 out of the car, approaches with his weapon drawn, 194 00:11:33,393 --> 00:11:36,227 Dale Williams has already dropped his weapon 195 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:39,364 and pretty much gives himself up to the police. 196 00:11:42,269 --> 00:11:47,205 We found no evidence of miss Stewart cheating on 197 00:11:47,307 --> 00:11:50,875 the defendant. Um, we looked at her phone, 198 00:11:50,977 --> 00:11:54,112 we talked to the family, and there was no evidence of 199 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:55,547 that happening. 200 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:59,117 Domestic homicide is one of the most common types of 201 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:00,785 homicide in the United States today, 202 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:05,090 and about one-third, one-third, of domestic violence victims 203 00:12:05,192 --> 00:12:08,660 will lose their life to their male partners. 204 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:15,900 Before Williams is sentenced at the mahoning county 205 00:12:16,002 --> 00:12:18,002 courthouse for the horrific murder, 206 00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:21,406 judge Maureen sweeney allows Elizabeth's family to give 207 00:12:21,508 --> 00:12:23,274 victim impact statements. 208 00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:25,877 In the courtroom is miss Stewart's children, 209 00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:27,178 two sons and a daughter. 210 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,613 Her sons, Anthony dees, 211 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:33,384 is 30 years old, and Jerome Stewart was 23 years old. 212 00:12:33,487 --> 00:12:35,320 This is a man who's been part of 213 00:12:35,422 --> 00:12:38,056 their mother's life for the last four years, 214 00:12:38,158 --> 00:12:39,691 and for the grown children, 215 00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:43,361 seeing him in court is excruciatingly painful. 216 00:12:43,463 --> 00:12:45,864 I'm sure it was more than her sons could bear. 217 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:59,144 Dale Williams has pled guilty to firing 218 00:12:59,246 --> 00:13:02,046 ten deadly shots into his longtime girlfriend, 219 00:13:02,149 --> 00:13:05,283 Elizabeth pledger-Stewart during a jealous rage. 220 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:07,819 Elizabeth's three grieving children are in court 221 00:13:07,921 --> 00:13:09,387 for his sentencing. 222 00:13:09,489 --> 00:13:10,922 Dorsey: And now they're sitting 223 00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:13,558 right behind the guy who chased their mother 224 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:15,026 and hunted her like an animal, 225 00:13:15,128 --> 00:13:17,195 shot her as she begged for her life, 226 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:20,331 and now it's all they can do to contain themselves. 227 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:24,402 As the defendant is sitting there waiting to hear 228 00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:26,805 victim impact statements from the sons 229 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:29,207 and daughters of the woman he killed, 230 00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:31,576 all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. 231 00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:41,152 Anthony dees, he's in a black shirt, 232 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:43,888 he is the first one to go after the defendant. 233 00:13:45,859 --> 00:13:47,792 Bove: The first son gets to the defendant, 234 00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:51,162 who's shackled and handcuffed, and pulls him off the chair 235 00:13:51,264 --> 00:13:54,432 like a sack of potatoes and start mopping the floor. 236 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:56,501 The second son, who has jumped in the fray, 237 00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:59,103 is just throwing haymakers at him. 238 00:13:59,206 --> 00:14:00,805 He's in custody. 239 00:14:00,907 --> 00:14:05,410 His welfare, his safety is completely dependent on you. 240 00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:07,712 So they do have a responsibility to protect 241 00:14:07,814 --> 00:14:08,746 Dale Williams. 242 00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,151 What we were thinking is holy crap. 243 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:14,619 What's gonna happen? 244 00:14:14,721 --> 00:14:17,422 The judge ducks out the back door, 245 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:20,725 the other prosecutor and I kind of ducked into the jury box, 246 00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:22,927 because there's nowhere else for US to go, 247 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:25,230 and we weren't sure if it was ever gonna end. 248 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:28,066 The deputies really couldn't get it under control to 249 00:14:28,168 --> 00:14:29,234 the extent that they wanted to, 250 00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:31,569 so they had to use the taser. 251 00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:43,381 The taser is going to shoot 50,000 volts 252 00:14:43,483 --> 00:14:45,950 of electricity into a person's body, which is 253 00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:49,320 going to incapacitate them for a period of time, 254 00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:52,757 but usually do not hurt them to the point where they won't 255 00:14:52,859 --> 00:14:54,492 recover and basically gives 256 00:14:54,594 --> 00:14:57,762 the officers the opportunity to gain control of that subject, 257 00:14:57,864 --> 00:14:59,163 which is what they did. 258 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,807 For their violent outbursts, 259 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:13,044 both the victim's sons, brothers Anthony and Jerome, 260 00:15:13,146 --> 00:15:17,282 are arrested and charged with obstructing official business. 261 00:15:17,384 --> 00:15:20,018 They ended up getting five days in jail, 262 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,720 90 days with 85 days suspended. 263 00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,990 We, as judges, cannot allow someone to impose 264 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:29,394 justice on their own by having a physical altercation. 265 00:15:29,496 --> 00:15:33,064 Ultimately, Dale Williams was sentenced to 23 years to 266 00:15:33,166 --> 00:15:36,367 life in prison for the murder of Elizabeth pledger-Stewart. 267 00:15:48,415 --> 00:15:51,516 McBain: Versus Jacob Larson. 268 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,319 24-year-old Jacob Larson is no stranger 269 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:55,753 to judge John McBain 270 00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:58,189 and his Jackson county, Michigan, courtroom. 271 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:06,798 Jacob Larson had been in court about four months 272 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,801 before for stalking this young woman, 273 00:16:09,903 --> 00:16:11,703 a young woman that he knew from high school. 274 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,942 Dawson: Judges take stalking cases very seriously 275 00:16:18,044 --> 00:16:21,679 because serious harm could be done to the victim. 276 00:16:21,781 --> 00:16:25,049 He was slapped previously with a restraining order 277 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:27,518 against a victim that he's been stalking. 278 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:29,754 Now the nature of what a stalker is 279 00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:32,390 is that they don't stop. 280 00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:34,826 They don't respect the authority 281 00:16:34,928 --> 00:16:36,661 a restraining order has. 282 00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:40,665 Bryant: This young man, for the last year, 283 00:16:40,767 --> 00:16:43,835 was accused of going to this young woman's work, 284 00:16:43,937 --> 00:16:47,472 dropping off flowers at her house, and leaving odd messages 285 00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:50,108 on her various social media accounts. 286 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:53,511 He continued to harass her, reach out to her, 287 00:16:53,613 --> 00:16:57,148 and she became incredibly concerned for her safety. 288 00:16:57,250 --> 00:17:01,352 If an order is in place and the person isn't following it, 289 00:17:01,454 --> 00:17:04,422 then you, the person who wants the order, has to go back to 290 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,524 court to get the court to enforce it. 291 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:10,828 Unfortunately, it is very common for adult victims of 292 00:17:10,930 --> 00:17:15,666 stalking to be in the same courtroom as their tormentors. 293 00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:17,869 Dawson: There's only one bailiff in the courtroom. 294 00:17:17,971 --> 00:17:19,904 I wouldn't even have the victim at the table 295 00:17:20,006 --> 00:17:21,939 and maybe not have the victim 296 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:23,975 in the room until it was time for the victim 297 00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:25,343 to even testify. 298 00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:27,245 But that's not the case here. 299 00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:29,380 Jacob and his victim is sitting just 300 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:31,783 a few feet away from each other. 301 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:48,699 The woman being stalked submits evidence 302 00:17:48,802 --> 00:17:51,402 that Larson has violated the protection order 303 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:53,971 a whopping 22 times. 304 00:18:02,816 --> 00:18:06,150 This is a bizarre scenario because you're in court, 305 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:10,188 and the alleged stalker is pointing to the alleged victim, 306 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:11,823 saying it's her fault. 307 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:28,940 It is not unusual for a stalker to believe that 308 00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:32,677 he, in some way, has a relationship with his victim. 309 00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:41,486 She tried to be calm, cool, and collected, 310 00:18:41,588 --> 00:18:43,821 but Larson wanted to control her, 311 00:18:43,923 --> 00:18:46,791 and he wanted to control the situation. 312 00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:49,927 Judge McBain was not having any of it. 313 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:02,507 The judge does not like the mouthing off. 314 00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:05,843 In fact, this is a judge who's known to be no-nonsense. 315 00:19:15,421 --> 00:19:18,623 But jail time doesn't go over well with Larson, 316 00:19:18,725 --> 00:19:22,426 and his back talk is about to push this judge over the edge. 317 00:19:31,271 --> 00:19:33,104 Accused stalker, Jacob Larson, 318 00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:35,206 violated a personal protection order 319 00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:37,808 and is sitting just a few feet away from his victim 320 00:19:37,911 --> 00:19:39,143 in court. 321 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:42,146 He's furious when judge John McBain gives him three days in 322 00:19:42,248 --> 00:19:43,648 jail for mouthing off. 323 00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:54,225 He has no idea what he's doing 324 00:19:54,327 --> 00:19:56,994 because the court has tremendous power. 325 00:20:01,901 --> 00:20:05,002 Bove: The security in the courtroom should be on alert 326 00:20:05,104 --> 00:20:09,040 that this defendant has no regard for the judge, 327 00:20:09,142 --> 00:20:12,210 what the judge is saying -- he's leaning back in his chair. 328 00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:13,844 He has his hand in his pocket, 329 00:20:13,947 --> 00:20:16,314 which you never want someone to do when they're up there. 330 00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:17,415 You don't want them to take out 331 00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:19,016 an object and use it as a weapon. 332 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:35,366 Stand up. 333 00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:36,601 Come stand up. 334 00:20:36,703 --> 00:20:39,971 The court officer begins to handcuff Jacob Larson, 335 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:43,241 but Jacob Larson is not having it, and he is not willing 336 00:20:43,343 --> 00:20:44,475 to be handcuffed. 337 00:20:55,288 --> 00:20:56,821 Good. 338 00:20:56,889 --> 00:20:58,456 Why do you think you're sitting there, dude? 339 00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:00,358 She's been telling you all along, 340 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:04,128 I don't want to see you, but this stalker has 341 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,364 a whole different approach to the problem. 342 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:16,107 Rendelman: This young woman, who has been harassed 343 00:21:16,209 --> 00:21:18,142 and stalked by this young man must be 344 00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:21,646 absolutely terrified that he could come over to her 345 00:21:21,748 --> 00:21:23,414 at any point and hurt her. 346 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:25,116 Put your hands behind your back. 347 00:21:25,218 --> 00:21:27,084 As he watches the defendant struggle 348 00:21:27,186 --> 00:21:28,252 with the court officer, 349 00:21:28,354 --> 00:21:31,756 the judge rips off his robe and comes to his rescue. 350 00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:33,824 Let me tell you, you don't want to get into 351 00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:37,495 a battle or any type of tussle wearing a robe. 352 00:21:37,597 --> 00:21:40,965 Tase his ass, right now! Do it now! 353 00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:42,833 Rendelman: You cannot even see the judge anymore, 354 00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:46,003 as he is literally down on the ground trying to 355 00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:49,573 hold Jacob Larson as the court officer 356 00:21:49,676 --> 00:21:51,175 attempts to handcuff him. 357 00:21:51,277 --> 00:21:54,111 They're trying to control this guy, who has just turned 358 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:58,683 a simple stalking, three-day sentence into a year in jail 359 00:21:58,785 --> 00:21:59,950 for contempt. 360 00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:03,187 Luckily for Larson, he isn't tased, after all. 361 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:07,091 Rendelman: After this defendant is finally handcuffed, 362 00:22:07,193 --> 00:22:08,959 finally brought under control, 363 00:22:09,062 --> 00:22:10,728 he is removed from the courtroom 364 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:12,363 and brought to jail. 365 00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:14,632 The judge cools off and brings 366 00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:17,268 his sentence back down to 93 days. 367 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:19,136 But after serving his time, 368 00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:22,606 Jacob Larson goes right back to stalking his victim. 369 00:22:22,709 --> 00:22:25,676 This defendant was charged with aggravated stalking, 370 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:27,111 which is a felony, 371 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:30,981 and ultimately, he got five years in jail for the crime. 372 00:22:31,084 --> 00:22:35,252 Stalkers are notorious for being unrelenting. 373 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:37,488 They find real pride in making 374 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:39,857 their victims' lives a living hell. 375 00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:44,462 Put it down! That is enough from you, all right? 376 00:22:50,603 --> 00:22:53,471 On October 5, 2018, the jury has 377 00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:55,873 reached a verdict in the capital murder trial 378 00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:58,476 of 41-year-old Daniel villegas. 379 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:01,045 Daniel has been tried three different times 380 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:03,581 for double homicide in El Paso, Texas, 381 00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:06,217 and has spent nearly half his life in prison. 382 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,653 It's always gut-wrenching, waiting for the verdict to 383 00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:12,022 be read, but can you imagine this being the third time 384 00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:14,558 for this man who's lived in prison for 18 years? 385 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:16,894 Everything is gonna happen in seconds. 386 00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:22,700 Daniel's nightmare began back in 1993. 387 00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:24,368 He was a good kid who'd never 388 00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:26,270 been in trouble with the law before. 389 00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:30,040 But in a twist of fate, a silly, 390 00:23:30,143 --> 00:23:34,245 stupid joke changed the course of Daniel's life. 391 00:23:34,347 --> 00:23:38,082 He was accused of killing two teenagers in 392 00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:42,586 a drive-by shooting when he was 16 years old. 393 00:23:42,688 --> 00:23:45,990 On April 10, 1993, 394 00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:47,958 four teenage boys are walking home 395 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:51,429 from a house party when a car pulls up alongside them. 396 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:55,299 Suddenly, multiple shots are fired from the passenger side. 397 00:23:55,401 --> 00:23:57,735 Bryant: Robert england is shot in the head, 398 00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,737 and he drops to the ground. 399 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:02,373 17-year-old Armando lazo is hit 400 00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:05,943 in the abdomen and leg and also dies. 401 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:09,513 Juan Medina and Jesse Hernandez managed to escape. 402 00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:12,082 They ran away unharmed. 403 00:24:12,185 --> 00:24:13,717 The two surviving boys tell 404 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:16,153 police they can't identify the shooter. 405 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,457 There's a lot of pressure on police to solve this case. 406 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,492 Over a week had gone by, and they had 407 00:24:21,594 --> 00:24:23,327 no leads on this case whatsoever. 408 00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:28,265 But one night, Daniel villegas, trying to be cool, 409 00:24:28,367 --> 00:24:30,668 jokingly tells his cousin, David rangel, 410 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:33,137 that he is the shooter. 411 00:24:33,239 --> 00:24:34,605 And then he goes, you're kidding. 412 00:24:34,707 --> 00:24:36,006 And then Daniel starts laughing. 413 00:24:36,108 --> 00:24:37,942 He goes, yeah, I was. 414 00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:39,877 Nearly two weeks after the murders, 415 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:42,680 police bring in a number of teenagers from El Paso's 416 00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:44,582 northeast side for questioning, 417 00:24:44,684 --> 00:24:47,051 including Daniel villegas's cousin, 418 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:49,220 17-year-old David rangel. 419 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:53,457 He is fingered as the trigger man by his cousin. 420 00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:01,465 He said, "well, he was just kidding." 421 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:03,801 He goes, "well what did he tell you?" 422 00:25:03,903 --> 00:25:05,436 Then he tells them the story. 423 00:25:10,576 --> 00:25:13,277 So the cops haul Daniel villegas in. 424 00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:14,812 Remember, he's 16. 425 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,847 They throw him in a chair, interrogate him. 426 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:18,048 No attorney. 427 00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:20,651 What was running through my 16-year-old mind at that time 428 00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:23,120 was I was scared as. And I didn't know who the hell 429 00:25:23,256 --> 00:25:25,990 these you guys were. You know, all the respect to the victims, 430 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:27,157 I didn't know who they were. 431 00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:29,159 Carrizales: Daniel was denied his basic 432 00:25:29,262 --> 00:25:32,062 constitutional right during his interrogation. 433 00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:34,832 Not only did he not have his parents present, but he didn't 434 00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:36,867 have an attorney present when he was interrogated, 435 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:40,371 handcuffed to a chair, and threatened to be assaulted by 436 00:25:40,473 --> 00:25:43,440 these police officers if he did not provide a confession. 437 00:25:54,353 --> 00:25:56,887 It is not uncommon, and, in fact, 438 00:25:56,989 --> 00:26:00,491 it's used all the time, where detectives are going to tell 439 00:26:00,593 --> 00:26:02,893 a lie, they're going to try and trick you up a little bit to 440 00:26:02,995 --> 00:26:05,062 gain a confession, and this is allowed. 441 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:08,132 But officers are not allowed to take part in any type of 442 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,769 coercive techniques, meaning threats, intimidation. 443 00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:14,271 They cannot treat a suspect that they're 444 00:26:14,373 --> 00:26:17,808 interrogating in any kind of inhumane way. 445 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:22,680 Whitmore: So after hours of all this pressure and questioning 446 00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:26,383 and interrogation and forcing this individual to be here 447 00:26:26,485 --> 00:26:29,920 and to answer these questions, with all of these layers of 448 00:26:30,022 --> 00:26:32,856 pressure and the fear he was facing, 449 00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:35,693 villegas actually confesses. 450 00:26:35,795 --> 00:26:38,729 The fact is that, a few hours later, 451 00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:41,565 he recants, and he says, "no, that's not what happened." 452 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,867 It doesn't matter. The cops have what they want. 453 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:45,369 This guy's going to trial. 454 00:26:46,739 --> 00:26:48,939 I just could not conceive in my head that 455 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:50,240 this was reality. 456 00:26:50,343 --> 00:26:52,409 You know, I couldn't conceive it in my head. 457 00:26:52,511 --> 00:26:53,844 This is america. 458 00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:56,413 Daniel's alibi? That he was with friends 459 00:26:56,515 --> 00:26:58,449 babysitting the night of the murders. 460 00:26:58,551 --> 00:27:01,385 On December 5, 1994, 461 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,354 Daniel's trial begins. 462 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,789 Jaime olivas is his defense lawyer. 463 00:27:05,891 --> 00:27:07,891 And he actually put on a decent defense. 464 00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,828 He raised the alibi defense, 465 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:14,264 called many witnesses that were able to corroborate that 466 00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:16,667 Daniel was babysitting. 467 00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:18,769 But Daniel's coerced confession was 468 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:21,271 still part of the state's evidence. 469 00:27:21,374 --> 00:27:24,008 Is he gonna go to jail for the rest of his life? 470 00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,751 Daniel villegas is just 17 years old when he goes 471 00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:37,788 on trial for the murders of two teenage boys in 1993. 472 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,858 Villegas initially confessed to the drive-by shootings 473 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,626 but later changed his story, 474 00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:45,596 saying he'd been coerced during a police interrogation. 475 00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:49,900 Even though Daniel villegas recanted his confession 476 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:51,335 to the detectives, 477 00:27:51,437 --> 00:27:56,240 that confession was used by prosecutors against him. 478 00:27:56,342 --> 00:28:00,110 In December of 1994, the first trial ends in 479 00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:04,415 a hung jury, deadlocked 11 to 1 in favor of conviction. 480 00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:07,051 Spencer: One of the jurors just did not believe that Daniel 481 00:28:07,153 --> 00:28:08,419 had committed the offense, 482 00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:11,055 and they stuck to their conviction, 483 00:28:11,157 --> 00:28:13,624 and we had a mistrial, so we had a second trial. 484 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:18,729 Just two months before the second trial is set to begin 485 00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:22,599 in August 1995, villegas is given a court-appointed 486 00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:23,734 defense attorney. 487 00:28:23,836 --> 00:28:27,671 There was no DNA from Daniel villegas. 488 00:28:27,773 --> 00:28:29,873 There was never a firearm located. 489 00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:32,076 There was never any forensic evidence 490 00:28:32,178 --> 00:28:35,112 linking Daniel villegas to this crime. 491 00:28:35,214 --> 00:28:37,014 But none of that seems to matter 492 00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:38,682 in Daniel's case, 493 00:28:38,784 --> 00:28:40,718 there's no doubt that once you get a confession, 494 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,086 it's so powerful. 495 00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,854 No matter what the circumstances are 496 00:28:43,956 --> 00:28:45,422 in getting that confession, 497 00:28:45,524 --> 00:28:48,358 it can lead to a conviction when there's almost 498 00:28:48,461 --> 00:28:49,493 no other evidence. 499 00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:54,031 And in 1995, Daniel villegas is convicted of 500 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:57,134 capital murder and sentenced to life in prison. 501 00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:16,854 Bryant: Daniel villegas goes to prison at age 18, 502 00:29:16,956 --> 00:29:21,592 and he spends the next 18 years of his life behind bars. 503 00:29:28,567 --> 00:29:31,368 By August 2012, villegas has a new 504 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:34,304 legal team, led by attorney Joe Spencer. 505 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:37,441 He successfully petitions the appellate court for 506 00:29:37,543 --> 00:29:40,377 a new trial based on ineffective counsel. 507 00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:44,448 The court of appeals did allow the case to be presented 508 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,718 back to the court so that all the other information, 509 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:51,488 and all the other evidence could be presented in a way 510 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:53,690 that was fair to the defendant. 511 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,461 After spending 18 years, 512 00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,630 half his life behind bars, 513 00:29:59,732 --> 00:30:02,866 Daniel is released on bond pending a third trial. 514 00:30:02,935 --> 00:30:04,568 But it's not an acquittal. 515 00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:07,137 They have to go through the trial process again. 516 00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:10,174 This time, villegas's attorneys move to suppress 517 00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:13,877 his 1993 confession, and the move works. 518 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:16,947 Judge Sam medrano rules the confession to be 519 00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:18,549 inadmissible as evidence, 520 00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:21,318 saying it was obtained by coercive conduct by 521 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,586 police officers. 522 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:25,222 While the police officers were never charged 523 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,124 with any improper conduct, 524 00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:31,328 Daniel gets a second chance at life with a new trial. 525 00:30:32,932 --> 00:30:35,132 Rendelman: He was out for four years, 526 00:30:35,234 --> 00:30:38,302 raised a family during the time he was awaiting 527 00:30:38,404 --> 00:30:39,903 his third trial to happen. 528 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,171 Every system is different. 529 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:42,439 In this particular case, 530 00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,042 this case has spanned across four years. 531 00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:54,284 Daniel's third trial begins 532 00:30:54,386 --> 00:30:58,422 on October 1, 2018, and without the confession, 533 00:30:58,524 --> 00:31:01,225 the prosecution doesn't have much of a case. 534 00:31:01,327 --> 00:31:03,360 State's putting on their case, 535 00:31:03,462 --> 00:31:05,662 they were not getting anybody 536 00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:07,831 that was incriminating Daniel. 537 00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:09,600 They were not getting any evidence in that 538 00:31:09,702 --> 00:31:11,034 I thought was hurting US. 539 00:31:11,136 --> 00:31:13,070 After the prosecution rests, 540 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:15,305 the defense doesn't call a single witness. 541 00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:17,841 We've got everybody in a small room 542 00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:20,110 and said okay, everybody knows this case. 543 00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:21,812 They didn't prove anything. 544 00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:23,614 And we made a decision in that room 545 00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:26,650 not to put on any evidence because we just didn't feel 546 00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:28,919 we needed to. 547 00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:32,856 So the day of verdict comes, and in the courtroom, you can 548 00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:35,492 imagine the intensity of the emotion, 549 00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:37,127 what the family members are feeling, 550 00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:39,162 what he's feeling on the inside. 551 00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:40,330 Spencer: Daniel looks at me, 552 00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:42,366 and he starts hyperventilating. 553 00:31:42,468 --> 00:31:44,134 He starts collapsing. 554 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,637 He starts telling me, tell my kids 555 00:31:46,739 --> 00:31:48,572 I'm sorry, tell my kids I love them. 556 00:31:48,674 --> 00:31:49,773 I know they're gonna convict me. 557 00:31:49,875 --> 00:31:51,275 I know they're not gonna -- I'm not gonna 558 00:31:51,377 --> 00:31:53,543 see 'em again, and he starts panicking. 559 00:31:55,014 --> 00:31:57,814 He knows everything he has fought for 560 00:31:57,917 --> 00:31:59,583 over the last 22 years, 561 00:31:59,685 --> 00:32:03,253 18 of them in prison, is now coming to a head. 562 00:32:03,355 --> 00:32:06,156 Everything is gonna happen in seconds. 563 00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:08,025 We, the jury, find the defendant, 564 00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:10,594 Daniel villegas not guilty of... 565 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,651 Rendelman: You can hear outburst from everybody in the courtroom, 566 00:32:34,753 --> 00:32:37,354 and Daniel villegas is barely able to stand. 567 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:41,491 He's so emotional, crying into the arms of his attorney. 568 00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:48,832 Spencer: I was very happy for Daniel. 569 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:51,201 Tremendous sigh of relief for Daniel, 570 00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:54,304 that we were able to give him justice 571 00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,507 that he'd been -- eluded him for a quarter of a century. 572 00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:03,013 Daniel villegas and his wife have chosen to take 573 00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:06,683 this horrible experience in their life and use it for 574 00:33:06,785 --> 00:33:07,985 something positive. 575 00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:10,954 There now advocates for other individuals who've been 576 00:33:11,056 --> 00:33:12,389 wrongfully convicted, 577 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,158 so kudos to both of them for doing that. 578 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:16,927 It takes an incredible spirit to be 579 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:19,062 able to rise from something like this. 580 00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:48,325 Sometimes, courtroom chaos is caused by people 581 00:33:48,427 --> 00:33:50,360 whose job it is to keep things orderly. 582 00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:52,996 We're on for -- it's a motion for contempt 583 00:33:53,098 --> 00:33:54,931 by the commonwealth, is that right? 584 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,867 52-year-old Robert fleck, 585 00:33:56,969 --> 00:33:59,369 the assistant Jefferson county prosecutor, 586 00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:03,473 is in a hearing before judge Sandra McLaughlin. 587 00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:06,977 So we're in the louisville courtroom with what would 588 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,047 normally be considered a pretty simple matter. 589 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:12,182 It's a dui hearing. 590 00:34:12,284 --> 00:34:13,683 The prosecutor is there, 591 00:34:13,786 --> 00:34:17,154 the defendant is there, and his defense attorney is there. 592 00:34:17,256 --> 00:34:20,757 That's when things go a little bizarre. 593 00:34:20,859 --> 00:34:24,361 The goal today for the defender, Mr. Braunbeck, 594 00:34:24,463 --> 00:34:26,096 is to get his client's 595 00:34:26,198 --> 00:34:29,833 dui, driving under the influence, deferred. 596 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:32,903 But the prosecutor argues that the defendant, 597 00:34:33,005 --> 00:34:34,304 rickie McAllister, should get 598 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,774 180 days in jail for contempt after skipping 599 00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:40,077 his court-ordered alcohol education classes 600 00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:43,180 eight times over the past three years. 601 00:34:43,282 --> 00:34:44,815 I know why he has failed to comply. 602 00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:47,451 He's failed to comply because he doesn't want to do it. 603 00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:49,586 We've had no evidence whatsoever here today, 604 00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:51,988 so, I mean, that's where we are. 605 00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,524 In the midst of that defense, 606 00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,861 the prosecutor feels insulted by statements 607 00:34:57,963 --> 00:34:59,162 from the defense attorney, 608 00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:01,231 and they begin to go back and forth. 609 00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:04,301 Now, do I have to prove why he willfully failed 610 00:35:04,403 --> 00:35:06,436 to appear in court? No, of course not. 611 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:07,704 Because he didn't. 612 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:08,939 -We don't -- -and that's why -- 613 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:10,340 I'm talking here! 614 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:12,909 Bryant: In this case, you've got a relatively young 615 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:14,077 defense attorney. 616 00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:17,247 And on the other side a more experienced prosecutor. 617 00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:19,683 So it's time to go at it. 618 00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:21,084 And if he's got a problem with it, 619 00:35:21,186 --> 00:35:25,655 he can file a motion to rule this as unconstitutional. 620 00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:27,224 I'm sorry if Mr. Fleck is arguing things 621 00:35:27,326 --> 00:35:29,659 that he doesn't know -- Mr. Fleck is arguing -- 622 00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:31,995 I'm arguing things I don't know? 623 00:35:32,097 --> 00:35:34,664 I've forgotten more than you will ever know, buddy boy. 624 00:35:34,766 --> 00:35:35,665 McLaughlin: Mr. Fleck. 625 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:37,634 Coming up, the childish behavior 626 00:35:37,736 --> 00:35:40,036 goes from bad to worse. 627 00:35:40,139 --> 00:35:42,339 For the record, I think this is bull. 628 00:35:46,912 --> 00:35:49,112 And that's why -- I'm talking here! 629 00:35:49,214 --> 00:35:51,581 A veteran prosecutor and a young attorney, 630 00:35:51,683 --> 00:35:54,818 are sparring in court over a simple dui case. 631 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,820 I'm arguing things I don't know?! 632 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,088 -I've forgotten more than -Mr. Fleck. 633 00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:00,023 You will ever know, buddy boy. -Mr. Fleck. 634 00:36:00,092 --> 00:36:02,926 Prosecutors and defense attorneys have 635 00:36:03,028 --> 00:36:04,794 intense competition. 636 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,030 It's no different than the NBA. 637 00:36:07,132 --> 00:36:09,199 You're either playing offense or you're defense, 638 00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:10,934 and you're going to want to win, 639 00:36:11,036 --> 00:36:13,370 regardless of what side you're on, 640 00:36:13,472 --> 00:36:16,273 but you have to keep it professional, 641 00:36:16,375 --> 00:36:18,208 and you have to keep it under wraps just 642 00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:22,245 by the very nature of the law you practice. 643 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:23,446 I object to that! 644 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:26,349 I -- I take great umbrage of somebody coming in here 645 00:36:26,451 --> 00:36:28,552 and trying to disparage my knowledge 646 00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:31,488 and my reputation when he is still wet behind the ears. 647 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,523 Mr. Fleck, have a seat. -...On this planet. 648 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,392 Okay, have a seat. Thank you very much. 649 00:36:35,494 --> 00:36:37,594 All right, we're gonna recess until one o'clock. 650 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,628 We'll see you back at one o'clock. 651 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,697 And the judge, at that point, had had it. 652 00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:42,432 She's like, okay, we need to take a break. 653 00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:45,535 But there's a whole 'nother wrinkle here with Mr. Fleck. 654 00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:47,437 Seems he was going to have lunch 655 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:50,140 with his 83-year-old mother. 656 00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:51,841 You want me to call my mom and tell her 657 00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:53,510 I'm gonna stand her up for lunch 658 00:36:53,612 --> 00:36:56,112 because of Mr. McAllister? 659 00:36:56,215 --> 00:36:57,814 You're gonna make me stand up my own mother, 660 00:36:57,916 --> 00:37:01,117 my 83-year-old mother, who's waiting at a restaurant for me 661 00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:02,352 to show up? 662 00:37:02,454 --> 00:37:03,820 Whitmore: And the judge is like, "we need to take a break, 663 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:05,655 who, whoa, whoa," and he's -- 664 00:37:05,757 --> 00:37:07,691 I need to have lunch with my mommy. 665 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:11,595 In this case, it seemed to get very personal for 666 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:12,729 the prosecutor, 667 00:37:12,831 --> 00:37:16,233 and he lost total control in this situation. 668 00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:18,835 For the record, I think this is bull. 669 00:37:18,937 --> 00:37:21,104 We'll start when you are back here, 670 00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:22,572 so enjoy your lunch with your mother. 671 00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:24,808 So they break for lunch, and they come back, 672 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:28,245 and by this time, Mr. Fleck, he -- he has calmed a bit, 673 00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:30,280 and he's realized that he needs to apologize 674 00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:31,648 to the court. 675 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:33,583 Mr. Fleck, did you want to make a statement? 676 00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:36,286 I'd like to apologize for my outburst. 677 00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:41,057 I think I was being needled by counsel incessantly, 678 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,027 and the very thought of me standing up my mother -- 679 00:37:44,129 --> 00:37:45,161 let me stop you right there. 680 00:37:45,264 --> 00:37:46,563 The judge steps in again and says, 681 00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:48,932 "either say you're sorry, or don't say you're sorry." 682 00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:50,867 I would apologize for my behavior, 683 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:56,706 my outburst, um, the thought of my mother being stood up 684 00:37:56,808 --> 00:37:58,975 for lunch, I had no way to get a hold of her. 685 00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:00,343 She does not have a cellphone, 686 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,113 deeply apologetic for what I said and did. 687 00:38:03,215 --> 00:38:04,547 In this situation, 688 00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:06,316 the judge didn't hold him in contempt. 689 00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:08,985 The judge didn't put him in jail, because we can do that, 690 00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:13,690 but instead, his bosses said, "enough is enough." 691 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:17,727 Rendelman: The prosecutor's office actually fires Mr. Fleck 692 00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:20,697 because of his unprofessional conduct. 693 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:23,700 And lo and behold, what does Mr. Fleck become? 694 00:38:23,802 --> 00:38:26,369 He becomes a criminal defense attorney. 695 00:38:26,471 --> 00:38:27,570 I think this is bull. 696 00:38:34,046 --> 00:38:36,012 In Chehalis, Washington, 697 00:38:36,114 --> 00:38:39,182 28-year-old kodey Howard and 22-year-old 698 00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:41,484 Tanner Jacobson are at a bail hearing 699 00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:43,887 in judge r. W. Buzzard's courtroom. 700 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:45,455 Howard is facing charges 701 00:38:45,557 --> 00:38:48,158 of burglary and trafficking in stolen property. 702 00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:50,660 Jacobson is arrested for reckless driving 703 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:54,364 and operating a vehicle with a suspended license. 704 00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:57,200 The courtroom is really pretty quiet. 705 00:38:57,302 --> 00:38:58,735 You've got the attorneys on each side. 706 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,203 You've got the judge, you got a clerk, 707 00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:02,572 you've got a bailiff, and you have a few inmates. 708 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,874 And you have these two individuals that are being 709 00:39:04,976 --> 00:39:07,644 accused of misdemeanors, not felonies, 710 00:39:07,746 --> 00:39:11,014 not murders, but two misdemeanors. 711 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:12,916 Also in the courtroom 712 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:15,518 are two other inmates who have just appeared before 713 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:16,786 judge buzzard. 714 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:19,522 It was my birthday, and, yeah, it was very normal day. 715 00:39:19,624 --> 00:39:23,426 Every day at, the same time, we see in-custody inmates 716 00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:26,229 that have been picked up or arrested the day before. 717 00:39:26,331 --> 00:39:29,032 Bove: But all of a sudden, one guy jumps up, 718 00:39:29,134 --> 00:39:31,968 bolts, and his buddy sitting next to him 719 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,738 says, "well, if he's gonna go, I might as well go." 720 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,273 The first thing I think to myself is this really can't be 721 00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:39,542 happening, and then the second thing 722 00:39:39,644 --> 00:39:42,245 as they reach the public doorway is I sure hope 723 00:39:42,347 --> 00:39:44,848 they don't hurt anyone as they try and get out of here. 724 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:48,385 Neither of these defendants are there for serious charges. 725 00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:50,086 So one could only guess 726 00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:51,955 what is in the mind of these two individuals. 727 00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:55,625 The judge had to do something to stop him. 728 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:57,694 Buzzard: I thought it was necessary for them to be 729 00:39:57,796 --> 00:39:59,829 at least pursued to find out where they were going. 730 00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:03,199 Dawson: So just like Clark Kent turning into Superman, 731 00:40:03,301 --> 00:40:06,536 this judge decides to rip off his robe and run after 732 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:08,438 the defendants. -Buzzard: I took my robe off 733 00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:10,306 because they are hard to maneuver in. 734 00:40:10,409 --> 00:40:11,908 I just wanted to get them. 735 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:15,879 You can see the two individuals running, 736 00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:17,747 and as they're running, one of them actually 737 00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:20,884 trips, um, and loses what -- it's almost like 738 00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:21,985 a cinderella moment. 739 00:40:22,053 --> 00:40:25,655 He loses one of his shoes and then keeps on going. 740 00:40:25,757 --> 00:40:28,258 Bryant: These two guys are working their way down 741 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,392 the stairwell. 742 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:31,761 As I was running after them down the stairs, 743 00:40:31,863 --> 00:40:33,363 all I was thinking was, I hope they stop. 744 00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:35,131 I hope they don't run into anyone. 745 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:37,167 I hope they don't hurt anyone going down 746 00:40:37,269 --> 00:40:39,803 the stairs or out into the public area. 747 00:40:39,905 --> 00:40:41,638 It's pretty unusual, but I have to 748 00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:44,274 give him credit because he was pretty fast. 749 00:40:44,376 --> 00:40:45,909 Bryant: One of them makes it outside, 750 00:40:46,011 --> 00:40:48,545 and the judge makes his last-ditch effort. 751 00:40:50,182 --> 00:40:52,415 In true Superman fashion, 752 00:40:52,517 --> 00:40:56,486 the judge decided to make that last-minute leap, as he lunged 753 00:40:56,588 --> 00:41:00,757 at the defendant to make sure he didn't make it out the door. 754 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:03,026 Buzzard: I was in arm's reach of Mr. Howard, 755 00:41:03,128 --> 00:41:06,029 reached out to kind of stop his progress, and grabbed him in 756 00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:07,931 a bear hug and tumbled out the door. 757 00:41:08,033 --> 00:41:09,666 Bryant: The second guy does not evade 758 00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:12,302 the long arm of the law this time. 759 00:41:12,404 --> 00:41:15,939 One of the funniest parts of this story is that 760 00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:17,273 the first guy runs, 761 00:41:17,375 --> 00:41:21,244 gets a couple blocks, and then realizes he's in prison garb 762 00:41:21,346 --> 00:41:23,713 with handcuffs and has nowhere to go. 763 00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:26,749 After four short blocks, Tanner has an epiphany. 764 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:28,751 You know, he realizes I'm an idiot. 765 00:41:28,854 --> 00:41:30,119 I should not be doing this. 766 00:41:30,222 --> 00:41:32,689 I am not helping myself, and he basically 767 00:41:32,791 --> 00:41:35,091 gives up and is taken back into custody. 768 00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:38,461 Here's two guys who had misdemeanor charges, 769 00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:40,964 charges where it would be more than likely they would have 770 00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:44,601 walked out themselves from the courtroom, and instead, 771 00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:49,072 because of their absolutely stupid, ridiculous behavior, 772 00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:51,808 end up with additional felony charges. 773 00:41:53,778 --> 00:41:56,012 After the incident, Tanner Jacobson 774 00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:57,347 is sentenced to one year 775 00:41:57,449 --> 00:42:00,783 and one day for a single count of second-degree escape. 776 00:42:00,886 --> 00:42:03,119 Kodey Howard's punishment for bolting? 777 00:42:03,221 --> 00:42:05,154 He gets an additional 36 months 778 00:42:05,257 --> 00:42:09,025 behind bars, along with his original charges. 779 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:10,693 The way it worked out for judge buzzard, 780 00:42:10,795 --> 00:42:11,961 he comes off as a hero. 781 00:42:12,063 --> 00:42:15,465 But, you know, it could have ended badly. 782 00:42:15,567 --> 00:42:18,868 Buzzard: My colleagues and co-employees' 783 00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:22,839 reaction to my reaction of 784 00:42:22,941 --> 00:42:26,509 chasing them was from good job to 785 00:42:26,611 --> 00:42:28,578 what in the world were you thinking? 786 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,347 Now that's determination, and that's called 787 00:42:31,449 --> 00:42:34,217 keeping the chaos out of your courtroom. 63150

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